30 21:40:00 auchter so, diri is pretty cool
01 01:07:00 Blazeix hi, I just left some talk on the Ubuntu_Install_guide page about Eclipse.
01 01:07:00 Blazeix The install process installs Eclipse 3.2, while the most current is Eclipse 3.3.
01 01:08:00 Blazeix I'm not sure how much it matters, but I've run into some plugins that are 3.3-only.
02 13:30:00 povilus-desktop there install instructions for matlab anywhertr in rose's webspace or on the wiki?
02 13:32:00 auchter povilus-desktop: i don't believe so, but it's pretty straighforward
02 13:33:00 povilus-desktop where are scripts/install files?
02 13:33:00 auchter there probably should be a page soon though, because i'm sure people are going to ask that same question after the install fest
02 13:33:00 auchter they're on tibia
02 13:33:00 povilus-desktop rgr
02 13:34:00 povilus-desktop great, must get vpn working
02 13:36:00 auchter it's well over 1GB, i would just go on campus...
02 13:36:00 povilus-desktop aye
02 14:00:00 auchter were we going to get an all campus email sent out?
02 14:00:00 auchter for the installfest, that is
02 14:04:00 auchter so, is there going to be an all-campus email about the installfest soon? or was there already one that i missed due to a full inbox...
02 14:06:00 povilus-desktop i think we need to tell mellor/the os class when we are doing it
02 14:08:00 andy753422 when you guys try to connect to RHIT-1X do you always get a bunch of AP's with ESSID's of "" or "<unknown>" ?
02 14:11:00 auchter not that i can remember
02 14:11:00 andy753422 Ok, I got the new b43 drivers installed and they seem to work well with WPA-personal in my dorm room
02 14:11:00 andy753422 but they won't connect to RHIT-1X
02 14:11:00 andy753422 they say they authenticate successfully but then they don't actually connect
02 14:13:00 auchter as in you don't get a DHCP response? because i have that issue
02 14:14:00 auchter eventually it works for me, though
02 14:14:00 andy753422 I used to get DHCP responses
02 14:14:00 andy753422 I used to run WPA until it said CONNECTED or something
02 14:15:00 andy753422 but now it never does, it goes from CTRL-EVENT-EAP-SUCCESS to a timeout when authentication
02 14:15:00 auchter hm, i don't ever remember getting output from wpa_supplicant
02 14:15:00 andy753422 how do you run it?
02 14:15:00 andy753422 if you don't use the -B I think it should run in the foreground and spit stuff at you
02 14:16:00 auchter yeah, i used -B, that would be why
02 14:16:00 andy753422 I get an IOCTL error too, but it seems like it keeps going after that
02 14:18:00 auchter hmm, i don't think i've encountered that before, but i was using the old drivers
02 14:19:00 auchter i haven't yet set up wireless on this install
02 14:19:00 auchter i just use wired mostly, since my battery doesn't work i don't need the mobility
02 14:20:00 andy753422 ok
02 14:20:00 auchter auchtemm@skaldi ~ $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/C1BE/info
02 14:20:00 auchter present: no
02 14:20:00 auchter i guess linux has just given up on even detecting my battery...
02 19:20:00 collinjc Hey Andy, are you there?
02 19:21:00 andy753421 yo
02 19:22:00 collinjc Hey, are you supposed to be working as a TA today?
02 19:22:00 andy753421 hm.. yea i think i am
02 20:01:00 auchter collinjc: are you the TA for 332?
02 20:08:00 octavious hey, will there be a proffesor present at the installfest?
02 20:31:00 auchter octavious: not sure, should there be?
02 20:32:00 octavious well to reserve a new olin room i think you need a professor to be there
02 20:33:00 auchter ah, i see... we could ask mellor or one of the OS profs
02 22:11:00 povilus-desktop linux has isec aye?
02 22:11:00 povilus-desktop er ipsec
02 22:13:00 tommost BSD does, so I would assume so.
02 22:14:00 povilus-desktop anyone used an ipsec tunnel as a vpn, as that is what the windows client uses
02 22:20:00 povilus-desktop has anyone used the built in vpn thing in gnome to connect to rose from off campus?
02 22:21:00 Zeta_RHIT the network manager applet?
02 22:21:00 Zeta_RHIT yes
02 22:21:00 povilus-desktop aye
02 22:24:00 povilus-desktop does anyone knoe the settings
02 22:24:00 povilus-desktop ?
02 22:49:00 povilus-desktop on the wiki it say to use "ppp -ddial vpn"
02 22:50:00 tommost Is there an Ubuntu 7.10 ISO on a rose server somewhere?
02 22:51:00 auchter povilus-desktop: yeah, that's for if you have everything configured the way it says on the wiki
02 22:51:00 povilus-desktop but even though i have ppp package installed acording to apt-get but when i do that command it sayd ppp dne
02 22:51:00 auchter hm, strange...
02 22:51:00 auchter do you have pppd?
02 22:52:00 povilus-desktop aye
02 22:53:00 auchter you may be able to do the same thing with that, but i'm not sure... the last time i used that was freshman year of highschool to connect through my cell phone
02 22:55:00 povilus-desktop gnome client nor ppp working, weak, im about to try ipsec *shutter*
02 22:56:00 auchter have you tried pptp? it's on the vpn page as well, but you'll have to ask any about that if yuo have questions
02 23:01:00 povilus-desktop looking at pppoe
02 23:02:00 auchter i'm pretty sure that's not what you want
02 23:02:00 povilus-desktop aye
02 23:21:00 povilusr do you need to "authenticate peer" for pptp?
02 23:21:00 povilusr "refuse eap"
02 23:21:00 povilusr "refuse chap"
02 23:22:00 povilusr "refuse ms chap"
02 23:22:00 povilusr "requirie mppc compression"
02 23:22:00 povilusr "allow deflate compression"
02 23:23:00 povilusr "allow bsd compression"
02 23:23:00 povilusr "require mppe encryption", " require 128 bit sncryption", "enable stateful mppe"
02 23:24:00 auchter you need to require mppe encryption, about the others, i've got no idea
02 23:24:00 auchter perhaps someone who uses pptp knows
02 23:25:00 povilusr im slowly working through all hte possible options
02 23:26:00 auchter i would just give it a try with everything off except mppe
02 23:26:00 andy753421 povilus: for off campus vpn?
02 23:26:00 povilusr aye off campus
02 23:27:00 andy753421 ok, then it beats me :) i've only done on campus stuff
02 23:28:00 auchter i would think it'd be pretty similar
02 23:28:00 auchter except that off campus you connect to 137.112.248.2
02 23:29:00 andy753421 you might also need 'nomppe-40' whatever that means, i just have it in my options
02 23:29:00 auchter wait, no you don't. you still connect to vpn.rose-hulman.edu
02 23:29:00 tommost Andy, is there a 7.10 ISO on a Rose server somewhere? Getting this stuff from Purdue is taking forever.
02 23:29:00 auchter and i have "set mppe 128 stateless", so i think that means no 40-bit mppe
02 23:30:00 povilusr ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu ?
02 23:30:00 povilusr maby?
02 23:31:00 auchter there was a copy somewhere in a csse332 folder, but i can't find it anymore
02 23:31:00 auchter ah, found it
02 23:32:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/cs/csse332/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
02 23:32:00 auchter although that won't help you much, since you have a 64-bit laptop...
02 23:34:00 tommost No, that helps. Thanks.
02 23:35:00 auchter i added that link to the wiki article as well
02 23:35:00 tommost I'm wiping my Mythbuntu machine because it's acting quirky. I'm going to to a regular Ubuntu install and then put MythTV on top.
02 23:35:00 tommost Good idea.
02 23:36:00 tommost I'm downloading an amd64 image right now, too.
02 23:36:00 auchter ah, i need to get a mythbox going here again...
02 23:36:00 auchter mainly, i need to switch my server from solaris to linux
02 23:36:00 tommost I can put that on the server in my room, and link to it from the wiki.
02 23:36:00 tommost Why is it solaris?
02 23:36:00 auchter because ZFS is pretty amazing
02 23:37:00 tommost Can't you use that with Linux?
02 23:37:00 auchter only under FUSE, and i'm not going to really trust that yet
02 23:37:00 tommost Oh, yeah, I remember not being able to get it to work as root a year or so ago.
02 23:39:00 auchter yeah... i need to find someone with around 436.35 GB so i can back that machine up and install linux
02 23:39:00 tommost Yikes.
02 23:41:00 auchter yeah, and buying another hard drive would be worthless, since i wouldn't be able to add it to the array... so quite the dilemma
02 23:41:00 tommost What about an external drive?
02 23:42:00 auchter well, it's just that i really wouldn't have a use for it after that one time
02 23:42:00 tommost Ah.
02 23:43:00 tommost You could sign up for 100 Gmail accounts, and GmailFS all of your stuff there. ;-)
02 23:44:00 auchter that'd be a fun time... you know, i haven't actually been able to get GmailFS working yet
02 23:46:00 tommost Have you ever used EncFS?
02 23:48:00 auchter yeah, up until this summer i had my home directory under EncFS
02 23:48:00 tommost It worked pretty well, then?
02 23:49:00 auchter very well. there's even a nice PAM module which will mount it for you
02 23:49:00 auchter i just haven't had the motivation to set it up again... i should do that this weekend
02 23:50:00 tommost You can manage it in about 10 minutes? ;-)
02 23:51:00 auchter i could, but again, it's the motivation...
02 23:53:00 tommost Ah, my ISO finally arrived. That took forever, considering it was on-campus.
02 23:53:00 auchter strange, i used to get rates of around 11MB/s from the robotics lab to BSB2 last year...
02 23:54:00 tommost Maybe Rose's server is experiencing load?
02 23:54:00 auchter or we can just blame IAIT, which is the more logical explanation
02 23:55:00 tommost That sounds just.
02 23:55:00 tommost We should really get Gigabit installed everywhere... that would be beautiful.
02 23:55:00 auchter they still have not responded to my support ticket about getting public key login enabled on dfs.rose-hulman.edu, so i'm a little mad at them
02 23:55:00 tommost They haven't responded to any of my tickets, either.
02 23:56:00 auchter indeed it would, though i wonder how fast the fibre network here is...
02 23:56:00 tommost I can't even remember exactly what was wrong anymore.
02 23:56:00 tommost That's a good question.
02 23:57:00 auchter addiator is at least on gigabit: "tg3: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex."
02 23:58:00 tommost I'd hope so. What are the specs on that machine, anyway? It seems to get a lot of use.
02 23:58:00 auchter 32GB ram, quad opteron 875
02 23:59:00 auchter heh, looks like the csse220 class is maxing out a few cores on addiator...
03 00:00:00 tommost What are they doing?
03 00:00:00 auchter one of them for over 2 hours now... don't they have CPU quotas in place?
03 00:00:00 auchter the name of the program is TestReverser...
03 00:02:00 tommost That's cryptic.
03 00:02:00 tommost Linux supports ACPI, right?
03 00:03:00 auchter ideally.
03 00:03:00 tommost Should I disable it (on my server)?
03 00:03:00 auchter if you don't have any problems with it, it should be fine
03 00:03:00 tommost Okay.
03 01:57:00 octavious auchter: new Ayreon leaked
03 02:03:00 auchter octavious: ah, didn't even know they were releasing a new album. have you heard opeth's the roundhouse tapes?
03 02:03:00 octavious yeah
03 02:16:00 auchter 01011001, interesting title... interesting lineup as well
03 02:19:00 octavious you read about MI's democratic party delegate issue?
03 02:21:00 tommost auchter: Where did you get TV guide data for MythTV from before?
03 02:21:00 octavious zap2it?
03 02:21:00 octavious now schedule direct
03 02:22:00 tommost Dang it. That costs money.
03 02:22:00 octavious sure does :/
03 02:23:00 tommost I wonder if there's a way that I could adapt TitanTV.com's integration with recording programs to be compatible with MythTV.
03 02:23:00 tommost Perhaps I could do it through MythWeb...
03 02:39:00 octavious i can not get qemu to install
03 02:39:00 octavious it wont compile :/
03 07:16:00 auchter octavious: are you compiling it with gcc 3?
03 08:07:00 auchter ah, nothing quite like csse230 in the morning
03 13:12:00 povilusr_ anyone know how to find curren cpu frequency in nix?
03 13:14:00 andy753421 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*
03 13:15:00 andy753421 or cpufreq-info
03 13:15:00 auchter /proc/cpuinfo should say as well
03 13:55:00 povilusr eve works in nix w/o cedega
03 13:55:00 povilusr im a bad ass
03 13:59:00 auchter how so?
03 13:59:00 povilusr what that i am a bad ass or that it works?
03 14:01:00 auchter yeah, i thought the client they released was just the windows version with cedega packaged
03 14:24:00 povilusr apparently your right you get cedega free
03 14:24:00 povilusr with it
03 14:25:00 povilusr so its prolly just slightly modified source
03 14:29:00 auchter yeah, i remember reading about it on slashdot
03 14:29:00 auchter it'd be nice if there was a native version, even though i don't/haven't played it
03 14:34:00 povilusr its auseom
03 14:34:00 povilusr but yeah id be nice to have native nix
03 15:48:00 octavious finally got qemu working
03 15:49:00 auchter virtualizing windows?
03 15:49:00 octavious yeah
03 15:49:00 auchter or something more fun?
03 15:49:00 octavious maybe eventually
03 15:50:00 octavious have you ever used qemu?
03 15:50:00 auchter yeah, i'm using it right now in fact, for plan9
03 15:51:00 octavious cool. do you use the kqemu module?
03 15:52:00 auchter yeah, for some reason KVM crashes on me with exception 13, so i'm just using kqemu
03 16:37:00 octavious alright, got us a room reserved
03 16:37:00 octavious O259 Friday @ 5:15 to 9ish
03 16:41:00 andy753421 octavious: 9:00 pm?
03 16:41:00 andy753421 oh, n/m
03 16:42:00 octavious now we need a campus email
03 17:30:00 auchter ug []
03 17:30:00 auchter 13:07 -!- crr [n=crr@137.112.115.127] has joined #rhlug
03 17:30:00 auchter 13:15 < auchter> ah, nothing quite like csse230 in the morning
03 17:30:00 auchter 13:27 -!- crr [n=crr@137.112.115.127] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
03 17:30:00 auchter 13:28 -!- crr [n=crr@137.112.248.144] has joined #rhlug
03 17:30:00 auchter gah, stupid paste
03 17:31:00 auchter so, i'm fooling around with using my touchpad as a midi controller
03 17:32:00 tommost How does that work?
03 17:37:00 auchter pretty crazily
03 17:38:00 auchter and of course i just hacked it together, so the code's a mess, in two different languages, and requires a fifo...
04 10:43:00 andy753421 has [is] anyone [going] to get an all campus e-mail sent out about the install fest?
04 10:43:00 andy753421 damn, i guess it's harder to do present/past tense than I though
04 12:30:00 auchter andy753421: if we had an email written out (i don't know if someone's done this already), i could ask archana to send it out for us
04 12:33:00 andy753421 Ok, I was thinking Will would do that, since he has been doing other contact type stuff, but I haven't heard anything from him
04 13:05:00 Blazeix How does this look for the all campus email?
04 13:05:00 Blazeix http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~fuquawa/email.html
04 13:09:00 andy753421 Blazeix: looks fine to me
04 13:09:00 Blazeix I'll send it to mellor, then.
04 15:01:00 auchter "free Linux Installfest."
04 15:02:00 auchter man, we should have charged... maybe financed a cluster
04 15:02:00 povilus-desktop aye
04 15:02:00 povilus-desktop clustor of seinor laptops
04 15:03:00 auchter see, we want a cluster that could actually do *something*
04 15:03:00 povilus-desktop it could do something. make you cry
04 15:04:00 auchter indeed.
04 15:05:00 povilus-desktop woot about to get jumped by 140
04 15:05:00 povilus-desktop odd ships
04 15:05:00 povilus-desktop yay
04 15:06:00 auchter eve?
04 15:08:00 povilus-desktop aye died in first min
04 16:35:00 auchter i'm pretty sure on the Installfest signup that a few people put down Junior instead of Sophomore since the amount of credit hours they have classifies them as a Junior, so i added a note
04 17:15:00 tommost Has anyone ever known ssh to crash?
04 17:16:00 andy753421 I once had SSH tell me that I do not exist
04 17:16:00 andy753421 but that was my bad
04 17:16:00 tommost Oh, weird, it's back. Apparently a "journal commit I/O error" was to blame.
04 17:17:00 tommost Now I'm getting I/O errors from everything I'm trying to do.
04 17:18:00 tommost I just got "/usr/bin/sudo: No such file or directory"
04 17:19:00 auchter that's usually not good
04 17:20:00 auchter andy753421: that's worth of bash.org
04 17:20:00 auchter s/worth/worthy/
04 17:21:00 andy753421 auchter: feel free to submit it
04 17:21:00 auchter i will, mainly because i really should be doing other things
04 17:21:00 andy753421 heh, i should be cooking dinner about now
04 17:21:00 auchter but the fact is that this synaptics-midi program i'm working on is much more fun
04 17:22:00 andy753421 but instead i'm writing to my group member about security policies
04 17:25:00 auchter security policies?
04 17:26:00 andy753421 for CSSE372 i'm working on a check script program for the CS department
04 17:26:00 andy753421 and I was writing about how I think it should be secured,
04 17:27:00 andy753421 I will be running on a web server but we will have to be able to execute arbitrary code that the user submits but still keep them from finding out what the test cases are :)
04 17:27:00 auchter ah, crazy
04 17:56:00 tommost I've put a 7.10 amd64 ISO on my server and linked to it from the wiki.
04 17:58:00 auchter sounds good, should be helpful for the installfest
04 17:58:00 tommost There are other ISOs in the same directory, too, should they seem useful.
04 17:59:00 auchter has any one install the network version of Maple 10 recently?
05 00:27:00 andy753422 anyone ever used SELinux?
05 00:29:00 auchter nope
05 00:41:00 auchter man, this sun ray is being evil
05 00:41:00 andy753422 how so?
05 00:42:00 auchter well, the server software wants to run its own DHCP server, which is pretty ridiculous
05 00:42:00 auchter so i'm trying to get it working with my dhcp server and it doesn't seem to want to
05 01:09:00 tommost Is it just me, or is Rose's Internet connection being really slow right now?
05 01:10:00 tommost openoffice.org-core is downloading at 1372 B/s. And web sites load slowly, too.
05 01:10:00 andy753422 my ping times are good
05 01:12:00 tommost Huh.
05 01:12:00 tommost Maybe there's something going on on my segment.
05 01:13:00 andy753422 http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ 8113 kbps down, 906 kbps up
05 01:17:00 tommost Hmmm... even Rose pages load slowly.
05 02:38:00 octavious what latex distro do you use in gentoo?
05 02:40:00 octavious tetex?
05 02:41:00 octavious texlive?
05 09:01:00 auchter i use tetex
05 11:50:00 povilusr where get ius for nix? not on tibia.
05 11:51:00 auchter it's on addiator
05 11:51:00 auchter /usr/local/cadence, iirc
05 11:51:00 povilusr kk thanx
05 11:51:00 povilusr compiled?
05 11:52:00 auchter yeah, they don't give out source fo rthat stuff
05 11:52:00 povilusr er
05 11:52:00 auchter some trickery might be needed, if so i can help you with that tomorrow or soemthing
05 11:52:00 povilusr rather giid for x86
05 11:52:00 povilusr good
05 11:52:00 auchter yes
05 11:54:00 povilusr ius 61? 45 is on tibia
05 11:55:00 auchter yeah, the version on tibia is ooold
05 11:56:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Cadence_IUS
05 11:56:00 auchter some useful things i wrote up
05 11:56:00 povilusr thanx
05 12:24:00 povilus1 wow cpr blows
05 12:25:00 auchter cpr?
05 12:25:00 povilus1 calibrated peer review
05 12:25:00 auchter hm, never done that
05 12:25:00 povilus1 you use it in 361 its making me cry
05 12:25:00 povilus1 only submissions in html
05 12:26:00 auchter sounds fun.
05 12:26:00 povilus1 :(
05 12:26:00 povilus1 html makes me cry
05 12:26:00 auchter better than sitting in o259 for four hours straight...
05 12:26:00 povilus1 ouch, what do you have?
05 12:27:00 auchter csse230 followed by csse332
05 12:29:00 povilus1 sux, now im even sadder Dr. Voltmer uses eurora
05 13:08:00 povilus1 rsync work with addiator
05 13:17:00 povilus1 any one know?
05 13:18:00 povilus1 im getting receiving file list ... rsync: readlink "/usr/local/cadence/IUS61/Base_IUS61_lnx86.sdp" failed: Connection timed out (110)
05 13:18:00 povilus1 rsync: readlink "/usr/local/cadence/IUS61/ic_index.sdx" failed: Connection timed out (110)
05 13:18:00 povilus1 receiving file list ... rsync: readlink "/usr/local/cadence/IUS61/Base_IUS61_lnx86.sdp" failed: Connection timed out (110)
05 13:18:00 povilus1 rsync: readlink "/usr/local/cadence/IUS61/ic_index.sdx" failed: Connection timed out (110)
05 13:20:00 povilus1 is there an archive mode to scp?
05 13:20:00 povilus1 the ssh gui mount isent liking me
05 13:21:00 povilus1 and i got ~ 80% of the files
05 13:26:00 andy753422 tar -czf /usr/local/cadance/ | netcat <your_ip> 12345
05 13:26:00 andy753422 povilus, but yes, -a is archive mode
05 13:27:00 andy753422 er, that should be 'tar -czv'
05 13:33:00 octavious hmm. cant get texlive to install. ed segfaults
05 13:38:00 octavious probably over optimized...silly gentoo
05 13:45:00 octavious or should i say silly gcc
05 13:46:00 auchter i've never had any issues with tetex
05 13:48:00 octavious i had the same issue with tetex, so i think its ed that is the problem
05 13:48:00 octavious it is used in some of the compile scripts
05 13:49:00 octavious yeah. apparently -O3 breaks it
05 13:52:00 auchter -O3 breaks everything ever
05 13:54:00 octavious yeah. i should be using -Os
05 13:54:00 octavious especially on my laptop
05 13:55:00 auchter meh, i've got a 20GB /
05 13:55:00 auchter not even close to filing it either
05 14:01:00 andy753421 -Os can be nice because smaller binaries load faster..
05 14:02:00 auchter good point
05 20:11:00 tommost So, I'm going to submit a ticket to IAIT suggesting that they add mod_python or FastCGI support so that I can use the Django framework for club web sites. What do you think the odds of that are?
05 20:14:00 auchter slim to none, seeing as how baker said on monday that he'd "work on installing java 1.6" this week
05 20:14:00 tommost *sigh*
05 20:14:00 auchter it's a <10m job, and still hasn't been accomplished by him.
05 20:14:00 tommost What's Java 1.6 going on?
05 20:15:00 auchter addiator
05 20:16:00 tommost Will making a big deal of all of the security problems of all of the PHP sites I've deal with help? Do they care about security?
05 20:17:00 auchter i don't really think so, since according to one of my profs passwords are stored plaintext all over the place, and andy's said that angel's pretty insecure about that as well
05 20:17:00 tommost *sigh*
05 20:17:00 tommost Do they at least care about plaintext Kerberos authentication?
05 20:18:00 tommost RHA's site is doing that now. When you change the URL to HTTPS, you get a SQL error message.
05 20:18:00 tommost I just filed a ticket for that.
05 20:18:00 auchter probably not, but at this point i kind of feel like bombarding them with support tickets.
05 20:19:00 auchter i'm still bitter about no public key support on dfs.rose-hulman.edu
05 20:19:00 tommost I'll file a ticket for that. ;-)
05 20:19:00 auchter haha, let's see if they ignore it like mine
05 20:20:00 tommost Okay, done.
05 20:21:00 auchter perhaps if they get enough people complaining about it they'll fix it
05 20:23:00 auchter also, if they would officially support it on all their servers it would be nice. i don't think many windows users know that's it's possible to not have to type a password each time they want to login to a server
05 20:23:00 tommost Yeah, that's certainly true.
05 20:37:00 auchter perhaps public key login isn't a big deal for them, since it looks like there are maybe three students who actually use it, and around 4 profs
05 21:08:00 auchter quark: interesting hostname you have there
05 21:09:00 quark thanks
05 21:10:00 quark Its the hostname of my computer
05 21:10:00 auchter obviously, but it's the most interesting hostname i've seen on here
05 21:10:00 quark I didn't know the dhcp would name it based of that
05 21:10:00 quark yeah
05 21:10:00 auchter yeah, the new dhcp deal does that.
05 21:15:00 quark real lively channel....
05 21:17:00 auchter haha, you must be new here
05 21:18:00 auchter which you probably are, seeing as how i don't recognize your nick
05 21:20:00 quark yeah
05 21:21:00 quark i can idle as well as everyone else
05 21:22:00 auchter or you could initiate an interesting discussion to distract me from the work that i should be doing
06 00:11:00 andy753421 so I was talking to tom earlier at the robotics meeting
06 00:12:00 andy753421 apparently the reason that RHIT-1X's essid is always blank/<unknown> or something is because they just don't broadcast essid's
06 00:13:00 andy753421 since broadcasting essids breaks the Compaq laptops..
06 00:13:00 auchter that's really strange
06 00:13:00 andy753421 yea.. we're supposed to connect to them by 'seeing other peoples signals' or something..
06 00:15:00 auchter well, i'm just happy that it actually (sometimes) works for me
06 00:15:00 auchter i was never able to get on RHIT last year, although i was using ndiswrapper at the time
06 00:16:00 andy753421 yea, the b43 drivers in the 2.6.24 seem to connect more often
06 00:16:00 andy753421 but you need to change a line of wpa_supplicant.conf in order for it to work,
06 00:16:00 auchter i'll give those a try this weekend
06 00:17:00 auchter or after java gets done mashing my brain up
06 00:18:00 andy753421 230?
06 00:19:00 andy753421 they really shouldn't be teaching that class in java
06 00:20:00 auchter i just really dislike this language. why is passing a function as an argument so convoluted? gah.
06 00:20:00 andy753421 because it's encapsulated by the interface... DUH
06 00:26:00 auchter gah, time warner sucks at reliable internet service
06 00:26:00 auchter six minutes of hell right there: no internet connection
06 13:28:00 tommost So, apparently IAIT is working on upgrading the web servers to RHEL 5... "over the next couple of months."
06 13:28:00 tommost My DFS ticket has been ignored.
06 13:30:00 auchter heh, they're evil.
06 13:31:00 tommost Well, at least he wasn't totally negative to my suggestion of installing mod_python.
06 13:32:00 auchter i'm going to submit another DFS ticket in a few days
06 13:32:00 tommost Heh.
06 13:33:00 tommost You should make an appeal to the LUG tonight... get everyone to submit tickets.
06 13:34:00 auchter i would, but i don't think anyone cares about it
06 13:34:00 tommost Well, yes. Even I don't care about it.
06 13:34:00 tommost But they might do it, just for the fun of it.
06 13:35:00 auchter haha, possibly
06 13:38:00 auchter on an unrelated note, anyone have an es202 book they want to sell?
06 15:29:00 octavious anyone presenting this week?
06 15:31:00 auchter someone said something about presenting something asterisk related, but i don't remember
06 15:31:00 octavious that would be cool. asterisk is a pretty amazing suite
06 15:32:00 octavious fun to mess around with
06 15:32:00 auchter i haven't had a chance to play around with it yet
06 15:33:00 octavious its neat. i bought some hardware freshmen year to to with connecting to landlines
06 15:33:00 octavious but voip is the way to go with asterisk
06 15:34:00 auchter i'm pretty interested in it, but i really don't use my phone much as it is
06 15:34:00 auchter typing is much easier than talking
06 15:35:00 octavious heh, yeah. but what if you could control mpd by calling a number and pressing keys on your phone
06 15:35:00 octavious thats the beauty of a PBX
06 15:36:00 auchter that would indeed be cool, but i'm not sure the cost/usefulness factor of it
06 15:39:00 octavious yeah. asterisk also does text messaging stuff which i think would be neat
06 15:39:00 octavious to receive texts from my computer
06 15:44:00 auchter i wrote a script a few years ago which would read from stdin and send an sms to my cell phone
06 15:44:00 auchter just interfaced through sprint's website, it was pretty easy
06 15:47:00 auchter from OpenBSD's manpage on "yes": yes - be repetitively affirmative
06 16:21:00 quark I have a friend who has astrisk set up on a box
06 16:21:00 quark he can do some pretty neat things
06 16:22:00 quark I'm pretty sure you can do nifty things to allow you to control things just by calling it
06 16:23:00 quark why does rose seem to filter torrent files
06 16:30:00 auchter quark: because they do for some reason... it's really quite annoying
06 16:32:00 quark well
06 16:32:00 quark I just ssh tunnel to some external server
06 16:32:00 quark and just proxy through that
06 16:32:00 auchter heh, that's exactly what i did last year
06 16:33:00 quark ssh -D and such
06 16:33:00 quark found an easier way?
06 16:33:00 auchter this year i'm off campus though, so no filtering/bandwidth restrictions for me
06 16:33:00 quark ahh
06 16:35:00 quark so what distrobution of gentoo do you run?
06 16:50:00 auchter in terms of version, i actually have no idea
06 18:41:00 povilusr cody can you send me a export of your pptp settings
06 18:41:00 povilusr there still not workign and theres a way to export your exact settings i would like to try
06 18:41:00 collinjc Yeah, no problem.
06 18:42:00 collinjc By email, I assume?
06 18:44:00 povilusr yeah, thanx
06 18:44:00 povilusr got it
06 18:44:00 collinjc Awesome. Let me know if it works.
06 18:44:00 collinjc If not, then there has to be something else that is to blame.
06 18:47:00 povilusr aye i think baty is an idiot
06 18:47:00 povilusr has it fucking up
06 18:48:00 collinjc I take it all of your traffic is routed through a server then?
06 18:49:00 povilusr aye
06 18:52:00 collinjc Are you using the network-manager-pptp and pptp-linux packages?
06 20:23:00 auchter collinjc: you're in the cs lab, right?
06 20:23:00 collinjc Yeah.
06 20:23:00 auchter alright, on the far table where andy and i were sitting before, is there a dvd there?
06 20:23:00 collinjc Let me check.
06 20:23:00 auchter alright, thanks
06 20:24:00 collinjc Yeah, it's there.
06 20:24:00 collinjc You want me to stop by your apartment when I get back?
06 20:24:00 auchter i'll actually be heading over there in a bit, i just wanted to make sure it was still there
06 20:24:00 collinjc Okay.
06 20:26:00 auchter actually, i'm going to leave now
06 20:26:00 collinjc Alright. I'll be here.
06 21:42:00 Blazeix Its interesting that defoe posted the DVD iso; we can't really use that. We still have the two ISOs on the rose network though
06 23:57:00 tommost Will I be able to use the Diligent USB Spartan 3 connector thinger from Windows XP if it's virtualized in QEmu?
07 00:00:00 tommost To phrase it more generically, can QEmu allow virtualized operating systems access to real hardware?
07 00:01:00 quark vmware can
07 00:01:00 tommost Yes, but can QEmu? Andy?
07 00:06:00 octavious tommost: i beleive it can
07 00:06:00 octavious but i think it is an experimental feature
07 00:06:00 tommost Hmmm. Would I be better off going with VMWare, then?
07 00:07:00 tommost I really only need this for ECE130.
07 00:15:00 auchter i would just have your partner program it, that's what i did
07 00:17:00 andy753421 tommost: I just had my partner do it when I was in that class, but I didn't have QEmu set up at that point
07 00:17:00 andy753421 There's an option for qemu option '-usb' and '-usbdevice devname' but i've never really played with them that much
07 00:20:00 auchter so, i'm typing this from my sun ray, which is in our kitchen... not a bad little device for free
07 00:55:00 tommost auchter: How was it free?
07 00:58:00 auchter back by the machine shop there was a cart full of them, with a sign that said "FREE"
07 00:58:00 auchter so i took three.
07 01:00:00 tommost What version are they?
07 01:00:00 auchter sun ray 10
07 01:00:00 auchter er, 100
07 01:01:00 tommost So it's a CRT?
07 01:01:00 auchter yeah, so not the best, but it works very well for a public terminal
07 01:07:00 tommost Yeah, it's still free.
07 02:15:00 Blazeix I'm going to send an email to people who provided their email address on the RSVP form.
07 02:15:00 Blazeix For the December 7th installfest
07 02:15:00 auchter sounds good
08 13:21:00 andy_spencer hey, how do you get the DHCP registration page to work?
08 13:21:00 tommost In what sense?
08 13:21:00 andy_spencer I saw someone having it work yesterday, but whenever I go to it it says permission denied
08 13:21:00 andy_spencer with both registered and unregistered MAC addresses
08 13:22:00 andy_spencer does it have to be accessed from the classroom or something?
08 13:22:00 tommost It always worked from my room...
08 13:23:00 andy_spencer ok, maybe it's a skinner problem or something..
08 13:24:00 andy_spencer what ip address does dna.rose-hulman.edu resolve to for you?
08 13:24:00 tommost (137.112.4.196)
08 13:26:00 andy_spencer ok, same here..
08 13:56:00 auchter random power outages rock
08 16:53:00 auchter andy753421: so, i'm trying out the server you wrote
08 16:54:00 auchter reading using ixpc seems to work fine, but writing fails
08 16:54:00 auchter also, i can't seem to mount /tmp/srv.sock, mount fails with "Remote I/O error"
08 16:57:00 auchter disabling 9p2000 extensions makes the server recognize that it's trying to be mounted
08 16:59:00 auchter ah, i'm guessing it's because "clunk" doesn't seem to be implemented
08 17:05:00 octavious howd the installfest go?
08 17:07:00 auchter pretty good, probably around 10 people showed up
08 17:08:00 octavious cool
08 17:08:00 octavious everything go smoothly?
08 17:09:00 auchter no massive data loss
08 17:09:00 octavious haha, i guess thats all you can ask for
08 17:09:00 auchter haha yeah
08 17:22:00 andy753421 auchter: yea, not much of that server works correctly
08 17:23:00 andy753421 some stuff should be writable though
08 17:23:00 andy753421 if you run the server, then run cli/gui.rb it should connect and you should be able to update stuff
08 17:24:00 auchter yeah, i'll install ruby and try it out
08 17:25:00 auchter and actually i think the problem's in fs_stat
08 17:25:00 auchter but at least it's more readable than wmii's usage
08 17:25:00 andy753421 you'll need ruby and ruby-gtk2
08 17:27:00 andy753421 looks like it segfaults a bit too, the old libixp has a helper function that I couldn't find in the newer version so I just commented out that call.. might be part of the problem
08 18:12:00 octavious SAGE looks pretty freakin cool
08 18:12:00 octavious just saw the /. article
08 19:12:00 rr73 waves
08 19:14:00 andy753421 damn, $949 to take a online training course on how to write SELinux policies
08 19:14:00 Zeta_RHIT ouch
08 19:14:00 Zeta_RHIT waves back
08 19:15:00 rr73 is waiting patiently for a letter from RH
08 19:17:00 andy753421 rr73: what kind of letter?
08 19:17:00 rr73 lol acceptance
08 19:17:00 andy753421 ah
08 19:18:00 rr73 the guy i talked to still said they will hold it untill i up a score
08 19:21:00 Curt hello
08 19:21:00 rr73 hey
08 19:22:00 andy753421 Hello
08 19:22:00 octavious greetings
08 19:22:00 tommost Salutations.
08 19:22:00 Curt hm, i actually had a real quick question... i've used ubuntu on and off for awhile on my laptop, only thing i cant get working is maple... have people had success with getting it installed and running?
08 19:23:00 andy753421 yep, are you using the version off of tibia?
08 19:23:00 octavious Curt: i had it working for a long time
08 19:23:00 Curt heh which one? theres like 4 versions on tibia
08 19:23:00 Curt i've tried a couple. i've got them installed after some messing around...
08 19:23:00 Curt just keeps closing because of lisencing
08 19:23:00 rr73 what do you guys do at meetings?
08 19:24:00 andy753421 Curt: actually, i believe Rose's license servers are currently down, can anyone confirm that?
08 19:24:00 octavious talk about open source issues, give/receive meetings
08 19:24:00 octavious woop-
08 19:24:00 octavious presentations
08 19:24:00 Curt oh, at the very least that would answer some questions...
08 19:25:00 Curt does it only need to snag the lisence once?
08 19:25:00 andy753421 Curt: no, i needs to connect every time you run it
08 19:25:00 Curt well how do they expect anyone to even do homework when its down... *sigh* lisencing always messes everything up
08 19:25:00 octavious rr73: we just did an installfest for campus
08 19:26:00 andy753421 Curt: that, and i doubt many professors will appreciate you plugging a LAN cord during a test
08 19:26:00 Curt yeah true
08 19:26:00 Curt is the licence server rigel?
08 19:27:00 rr73 andy753421~ i thought every room had wireless
08 19:27:00 andy753421 i believe so, I think there might actually be a couple
08 19:27:00 andy753421 rr73: yea, but there's a couple places where I cant connect, i think the signal is to weak or something
08 19:27:00 andy753421 most of the time it works though
08 19:28:00 Curt rigel isnt pingable, at least
08 19:29:00 Curt will i have licence rights to maple 10? iait's site said lots of students cant use it
08 19:29:00 rr73 2 weeks i will prrolly get a letter saying i need improve, already signed up
08 19:29:00 andy753421 I think there's a maple10 for linux on tibia, at least I can access it
08 19:29:00 rr73 to retake so w/e hehe
08 19:30:00 Curt yeah thats what i installed, but lisencing issues just like every other one
08 19:30:00 Curt bleh, i didnt want a windows partition on here at all... and i'd rather not run it in a VM...
08 19:30:00 Curt looks like i dont have much choice though
08 19:31:00 rr73 Curt~ just get another laptop or a desktop ;)
08 19:31:00 rr73 easy solution
08 19:31:00 andy753421 Have they got maple installed on addiator yet?
08 19:31:00 octavious not that i know of
08 19:31:00 Curt lol i have probably 3 desktops lying around, but they are headless
08 19:31:00 Curt the ram just went bad in my xp box
08 19:31:00 Curt and i dont even want to attempt it on my vista box remotely... heh
08 19:32:00 auchter i installed maple on addiator, but hte license server is definitely down
08 19:32:00 auchter if you try to run maple or mapl9 on clive.cs, it fails
08 19:32:00 auchter so it's their problem
08 19:32:00 Curt well thats unfortunate... seeing as i have homework that requires maple
08 19:33:00 auchter octavious: sage definitely is cool, i used it for a bit over break
08 19:33:00 andy753421 Curt: time for some angry support tickets ;)
08 19:33:00 Curt no joke
08 19:33:00 auchter i want to get good with it and try to convince the math department to let us use that
08 19:33:00 auchter yeah, i was going to submit a ticket
08 19:33:00 auchter maybe i will now
08 19:33:00 rr73 auchter~ just installed sage
08 19:33:00 auchter submit one for public key login and ipv6 as well
08 19:33:00 andy753421 I haven't used it but I didn't really like how it seemed to be designed to much
08 19:34:00 rr73 took forever to compile lol, i can't even imagine how KDE compiles
08 19:34:00 auchter rr73: let me know how you like it
08 19:34:00 rr73 auchter~ im lost in it honestly
08 19:34:00 andy753421 it seems like it would be hard to use, since it's a bunch of other math programs all mushed together
08 19:34:00 rr73 idk wtf to do
08 19:34:00 Curt is that the open source "maple"?
08 19:34:00 auchter the syntax is weird since i'm so used to maple
08 19:34:00 auchter Curt: yeah, a CAS
08 19:35:00 tommost What's the use in IPv6? Is there anything in particular that we need it for?
08 19:35:00 Curt ... what about running the windows maple through wine? anybody try that? i honestly have really never used wine much at all
08 19:35:00 andy753421 tommost: it's not to important for us, but when the internet runs out of address space it will matter
08 19:36:00 rr73 don't have maple to try it with
08 19:36:00 auchter Curt: better off just virtualizing windows or obtaining a full version of maple linux through some, uh, alternative method
08 19:36:00 Curt ha ha
08 19:37:00 rr73 hah
08 19:37:00 Curt maybe i'll borrow a friend's laptop or something. thats really frustrating...
08 19:37:00 tommost Okay, yeah, I know all about that. It just doesn's seem worth IAIT's time when they could be installing Python on the web servers or something. We have a class B address space, after all.
08 19:38:00 rr73 hehehehe i didnt understand a single thing you said tommost, idk though :-D
08 19:38:00 rr73 s/idk/idc
08 19:38:00 tommost An unrelated question: can wine be made to run under 64-bit Linux?
08 19:39:00 Curt tom: just because we have enough addresses doesnt mean we shouldnt conform to the new standard...
08 19:39:00 tommost I don't seem to be able to install it through apt-get.
08 19:39:00 octavious yes. i do so on my desktop
08 19:39:00 auchter i'll bitterly pretend that i didn't hear anything about 64 bit laptops
08 19:39:00 tommost Our addresses are already included in the standard.
08 19:39:00 tommost Can you tell me how to do so? (No, I won't install Gentoo.)
08 19:40:00 rr73 is guessing he is the only one not in IN
08 19:41:00 Curt yeah i dunno, i thought we were ipv6 compliant already *shrug*
08 19:41:00 octavious well if binary packages dont exist for your distro, i guess youll have to build from source (the beauty of gentoo)
08 19:41:00 Curt i mean, i know i have an ipv6 address assigned to me
08 19:41:00 rr73 you call that beauty?
08 19:41:00 tommost Is the issue that our routers aren't configured to route 128-bit addresses?
08 19:41:00 auchter Curt: it's not one assigned by rose, it's a private IP
08 19:42:00 octavious rr73: i call it beauty because the level of control you have over your binaries
08 19:42:00 Curt ah alright
08 19:42:00 tommost Oh, so the issue is DHCP? Why can't we infer our IPv6 addresses automatically?
08 19:42:00 auchter ipv6 doesn't use DHCP
08 19:43:00 auchter well, it can, but no one does
08 19:43:00 rr73 all students in here or no?
08 19:43:00 auchter and i'm forgetting what it does use, under openbsd it's rtsold
08 19:43:00 auchter rr73: yeah
08 19:44:00 tommost Yup.
08 19:44:00 tommost Well, aside from luglog.
08 19:44:00 rr73 heh
08 19:44:00 octavious rr73: there are professors that attend meetings sometimes
08 19:44:00 Curt its mostly jp isnt it?
08 19:44:00 octavious dafoe/shibberu
08 19:45:00 octavious and jp
08 19:47:00 Curt man it probably wouldnt be hard to edit the binary to skip the step checking for the lisence... heh but maybe too hard for before my homework is due
08 19:49:00 rr73 anyone from IL?
08 21:56:00 octavious SAGE is poorly packaged
08 22:01:00 auchter i don't remember it, i only had it installed one day before i reinstalled gentoo
08 22:02:00 auchter but i do remember the hours of building it...
08 22:09:00 rr72 auchter~ hours? just a few hours for me
08 22:19:00 andy753421 anyone have a somewhat recent Fedora i386 install disk?
08 22:24:00 auchter andy753421: isn't there one on ftp.cs?
08 22:25:00 andy753421 auchter: yea.. i'm downloading that now, but i don't want to wait .5 hours and then burn it
08 22:25:00 auchter ah
08 22:25:00 andy753421 also, i seems fedora only distributes install dvd's these days
08 22:25:00 auchter weak.
08 22:26:00 auchter so, anyone here have William Stallings - Operating Systems: Internals and Design Principles?
08 22:27:00 andy753421 hm.. i don't remember ever needing/reading it
08 22:27:00 auchter we have quizzes over it apparently, and some of the questions seem ambiguous enough that the book may be necessary
08 22:27:00 andy753421 ah ok
08 23:44:00 rr72 anyone still up over there?
08 23:48:00 rr72 aw everyone out at parties?
08 23:48:00 andy753421 nah
08 23:48:00 rr72 why not? ;)
08 23:48:00 andy753421 meh
08 23:48:00 rr72 go to Theta Xi ;)
08 23:48:00 tommost I'm here!
08 23:49:00 rr72 UGH!! so easy to get plastered but idk
08 23:49:00 rr72 we have so much shit at my house
08 23:51:00 rr72 ok im a newb
08 23:51:00 rr72 you can access your pc outside of network?
08 23:51:00 tommost Yes.
08 23:52:00 rr72 damn
08 23:52:00 rr72 not bad gog
08 23:52:00 rr72 *gig
08 23:52:00 rr72 you have access to the mirros on the intranet too right? so blazing speeds?
08 23:53:00 rr72 im sure there are restrictions on your own servers? or some bandwith limitations?
08 23:54:00 andy753421 we get incomming/outgoing caps of 3Gb/1 day and 5Gb/3 days
08 23:54:00 rr72 each? or total?
08 23:54:00 andy753421 intranet bandwidth is not limited
08 23:54:00 andy753421 each
08 23:55:00 rr72 are speeds capped?
08 23:56:00 tommost Not that I've noticed.
08 23:56:00 andy753421 um, intranet speeds go at ~100Mb, internet is usually ~10Mb
08 23:57:00 andy753421 /sec
08 23:57:00 rr72 nice
08 23:57:00 rr72 i knew what u meant ;)
08 23:58:00 tommost It's really not bad, considering that the pipe is only 8 MB/sec.
08 23:58:00 rr72 never got full 100 here intranet wise
08 23:58:00 rr72 prolly limted by hardrive speeds and such
08 23:59:00 rr72 wants gigibit @ home but would be pointless lmao
08 23:59:00 tommost I want to get a gigabit switch for my room... make transfers between my computers really fast, for backup.
09 00:00:00 rr72 yeah
09 00:00:00 rr72 any NAS gigabit? lmao terabyte NAS over gigabit would be NUTZZ
09 00:01:00 tommost Yeah, of course. I'd really like a ReadyNAS, but they're pricey... I'll probably just slap some disks into one of my servers.
09 00:02:00 rr72 define "server" everyone seems to have a different veriation
09 00:02:00 tommost The real issue is that I don't have enough space to stash all of the files on NTFS volumes to change their filesystems.
09 00:02:00 tommost "Server"?
09 00:02:00 rr72 just a machine withj drives or like a 1/2U server
09 00:03:00 tommost A desktop PC performing server functions.
09 00:03:00 rr72 ah
09 00:03:00 rr72 yeah have one of them
09 00:03:00 tommost And one of them really stretches the definition... it has a monitor attached, for watching TV (it's a Myth box).
09 00:04:00 auchter i think my music server wins
09 00:04:00 tommost It would be neat if we connected all of the Myth boxes on campus...
09 00:04:00 tommost How so?
09 00:04:00 auchter it's in a carbord box in my closet
09 00:04:00 auchter s/carbord/cardboard/
09 00:04:00 tommost Ah, yes, you've mentioned that one.
09 00:04:00 tommost Mine is in a case that I constructed out of a briefcase type thing (but larger, technically a toolbox).
09 00:04:00 auchter and my file server which is refusing to obtain an IP at this point, since our power went off for 30s today
09 00:05:00 tommost Yeah, I'm dying for a UPS.
09 00:05:00 rr72 headless :) but has svideo out if i need for movies or what not, in my room next to tv
09 00:05:00 rr72 tommost~ OMG!! i need one
09 00:05:00 rr72 im sick of tiny power flickers fucking it up
09 00:06:00 tommost At least I'm not like auchter... my laptop doesn't need one! ;-)
09 00:06:00 auchter well, on the plus side, /proc/acpi at least says a battery is present now
09 00:06:00 auchter it just says the last full capacity was 1mAh
09 00:06:00 tommost That's a plus.
09 00:07:00 andy753421 power in skinner seems to be pretty good, we're disconnected from the main Rose power grid so we're not effected by all their maintenance
09 00:07:00 rr72 my battery lasts not even half hour
09 00:07:00 rr72 andy753421~ not even in IN ;)
09 00:07:00 auchter andy753421: so is myers, apparently
09 00:08:00 rr72 happy i found a channel, was looking for a whole net like MTU has but this is good enough
09 00:08:00 auchter MTU is also in the frozen north and probably buried under 2m of snow by now
09 00:09:00 rr72 was looking at MTU but too far N
09 00:09:00 rr72 went there in summer to look around and some program thing
09 00:09:00 auchter never been up there, but i know a few people who go/went there
09 00:09:00 rr72 :( have the address memorized for RHIT
09 00:10:00 rr72 can't remember zip though lol 407 somin?
09 00:11:00 tommost Yeah, I always hit the Rose web site for that... it's right on the home page.
09 00:11:00 rr72 lol
09 00:13:00 rr72 ./wakeonlan
09 00:13:00 rr72 oops
09 00:14:00 rr72 wrong box :)
09 00:14:00 rr72 er window
09 00:14:00 tommost Actually, thanks.
09 00:14:00 tommost I hadn't heard of that one... I've been trying to get that working.
09 00:15:00 tommost (With one of my servers.)
09 00:15:00 rr72 on board NIC?
09 00:15:00 tommost Yeah.
09 00:16:00 tommost I want to be able to shut it down when I'm not using it (I don't exactly watch TV 24/7), but wake it up remotely with my other box.
09 00:16:00 tommost It kinda warms my room up, too.
09 00:16:00 auchter tommost: free electricity + air conditioning = not having to power off computers
09 00:16:00 tommost Anyway, I couldn't get the other program I tried to work... called etherwake or something.
09 00:17:00 auchter unfortunately off campus the free electricity part doesn't hold...
09 00:17:00 tommost Not being able to turn of heating = hot room.
09 00:17:00 auchter that's why i had my air conditioning running the first four months i was there
09 00:17:00 auchter haha
09 00:17:00 tommost Especially once the two computers are turned on.
09 00:17:00 tommost But it's warm anyway.
09 00:18:00 rr72 tommost~ uhm i forgot what i use
09 00:18:00 rr72 i just type wake which is linked
09 00:18:00 rr72 er no i bashed it
09 00:18:00 tommost Well, wakeonlan is a legitimate Ubuntu package, so it's a start.
09 00:19:00 rr72 u know hw address?
09 00:19:00 tommost Working on that right now.
09 00:20:00 rr72 u can bput it in a file so u don't have to manuelly type the address evertime
09 00:20:00 tommost It'll be going in a script on my other machine, yeah.
09 00:21:00 rr72 #!/bin/bash
09 00:21:00 rr72 wakeonlan -f /lab001.wol
09 00:21:00 rr72 lol my script
09 00:21:00 rr72 wake is /usr/bin/wake
09 00:22:00 rr72 oh btw i am on an old outdated SuSE 9.1 box, pIII coppermine
09 00:30:00 rr72 there still a beer machine in Theta Xi?
09 00:32:00 rr72 tommost~ figure it out?
09 00:32:00 tommost It's shutting down now.
09 01:08:00 rr72 any luck?
09 01:08:00 tommost No, it doesn't seem to work.
09 01:08:00 rr72 hm hm hm
09 01:08:00 rr72 sure address is good?
09 01:09:00 rr72 and using right broadcast?
09 01:09:00 tommost Pretty sure--I have it sending to every MAC address listed on the Bandwith Monitor page. *One* of them has to be right.
09 01:10:00 rr72 Bandwith Monitor?
09 01:10:00 tommost https://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/tools/network_usage_tool/
09 01:10:00 rr72 uhm im not a student
09 01:10:00 rr72 hehe
09 01:10:00 tommost I figured.
09 01:11:00 rr72 what port? 9?
09 01:11:00 tommost Yes.
09 01:11:00 tommost But it shouldn't matter--it's not like it has a working TCP/IP stack.
09 01:11:00 rr72 you know how to find hw address?
09 01:12:00 rr72 double check it is in your list lol
09 01:12:00 rr72 ifconfig ADAPTER
09 01:13:00 rr72 shws hwadd
09 01:14:00 rr72 if its listening and not getting the correct sequence than it wont wol
09 01:16:00 tommost It was in the list.
09 01:17:00 rr72 is it sending it?
09 01:17:00 rr72 capture it?
09 01:19:00 rr72 sometimes it doesnt turn on my machine
09 01:19:00 rr72 idky though
09 01:20:00 tommost It may just be the crummy mobo in my machine--it's not liking me shutting it down remotely, either.
09 01:21:00 rr72 shut down remotely? ssh?
09 01:21:00 tommost Yes. sudo shutdown now
09 01:22:00 rr72 psh i make up some funky messege, computer is going to self destruct, have a good day
09 01:22:00 rr72 shrug
09 01:45:00 rr72 gk tommost
09 01:45:00 rr72 *gl
09 01:45:00 rr72 bed time for me, night
09 01:52:00 andy753421 so this is interesting.. I was looking though at the hardware on the Dells
09 01:53:00 andy753421 according to lspci we have ICH6M controllers, which supposedly are sata controllers
09 01:53:00 andy753421 and also, apparently, are somewhat raid controllers as well
09 01:54:00 andy753421 linux/drivers/ata/ata_piix.c:231 /* 82801FBM ICH6M (ICH6R with only port 0 and 2 implemented) */
09 01:55:00 andy753421 not sure if that means anything useful or not..
09 12:44:00 rr72 anyone up down there?
09 15:42:00 cgiirc287 Okay, so I've got an interesting question
09 16:00:00 Zeta_RHIT (he wanted to know what /quit did)
09 16:02:00 auchter apparently
09 16:41:00 Zeta_RHIT one can only hope he figured it out :)
09 16:51:00 povilus-desktop my centrino is clocking at 800mhz is there a way ro make it go up to 2Ghz?
09 17:03:00 auchter is it supposed to be that high, just cpu scaling kicking in and making it that speed?
09 17:04:00 andy753421 povilus-desktop: cpufreq-{info,set}
09 17:05:00 andy753421 i use the ondemand governor so it defaults to 800Mhz and the only speeds up when the CPU is loaded
09 17:05:00 andy753421 you can also use the userspace governor and then set the freq manually
09 17:07:00 povilus-desktop its down to 200 ish megaherts i think., because it hates me
09 17:09:00 andy753421 povilus-desktop: how'd you get that estimate? I've also had problems if the battery overheats then it limits the CPU freq
09 17:09:00 povilus-desktop when i boot windows sometimes it arbitratily clock that low
09 17:10:00 povilus-desktop you say battery overheat? weird ive been monotorin cpu and gpu but they are cool enough
09 17:31:00 andy753421 povilus-desktop: when it happened to me, it was actually the battery itself, the cpu/gpu/thm/sda all stayed within normal ranges
09 17:31:00 andy753421 is this on your dell?
09 17:38:00 andy753421 povilus-desktop: does your battery light flash at all
09 17:44:00 povilus-desktop yeah my dell
09 17:44:00 povilus-desktop no light
09 17:44:00 povilus-desktop dosent seem to light up at all
09 17:51:00 povilus-desktop it wont let me change max from 800 to 2 ghz
09 17:52:00 povilus-desktop i assume its just "cpufreq-set --max 2GHz"
09 17:54:00 povilus-desktop or 2000000
09 18:18:00 andy753421 'cpufreq-set -g userspace; cpufreq-set -f 2.0GHz' works for me, make sure cpufreq-info says that the userspace governor is available
09 18:19:00 andy753421 also, you could try rebooting, when I had problems it would work correct at first and then get limited to 800MHz after a few minutes
09 21:37:00 auchter crazy random people joining
10 11:26:00 rr73 people hang in here during classes?
10 11:34:00 auchter i do.
10 11:35:00 rr73 heh
10 11:35:00 rr73 i need to go back to school soon, mondays are a bitch
10 11:36:00 rr73 bbl, couple of hours
10 15:51:00 auchter so, dvtm is pretty cool
10 15:53:00 andy753421 what's that?
10 15:54:00 auchter dwm for terminals
10 15:54:00 auchter http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/dvtm/
10 15:54:00 auchter it needs a lot of work yet, but the idea's great
10 16:34:00 povilus-desktop what ubuntu package containes libc?
10 16:34:00 tommost build-essential, I think.
10 16:35:00 tommost There's a separate package for the man pages, though.
10 17:03:00 povilusr thanx
10 17:17:00 tommost Andy, would it be any faster to virtualize a 64-bit version of Windows (vs. a 32-bit one)?
10 17:18:00 andy753421 depends on how you're doing it
10 17:18:00 tommost Qemu?
10 17:19:00 andy753421 but, theoretically, for you it should be
10 17:19:00 andy753421 does kqemu support amd64?
10 17:19:00 andy753421 looks like it, so yea, do that
10 17:19:00 auchter the freshmen laptops have intel processors
10 17:19:00 tommost Then I should use Qemu?
10 17:20:00 auchter but i believe that's supported anyway
10 17:20:00 rr72 faster on host machine or the virtulized one?
10 17:20:00 tommost Virtualized, I guess.
10 17:20:00 tommost I have two CPUs... the host should do okay with just one, right?
10 17:20:00 andy753421 auchter: i generally use amd64 generically, i think it's pretty simmilar to the intel version
10 17:20:00 andy753421 auchter: do you know if there's a better name for it?
10 17:21:00 auchter x86-64?
10 17:21:00 andy753421 auchter: ok, that's probably better
10 17:21:00 rr72 anyone know what the projectected laptops are for next year?
10 17:21:00 auchter ah, it's actually synonumous
10 17:21:00 auchter "The x86-64 instruction set natively supports Intel's x86 and was designed by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), who have since renamed it AMD64."
10 17:22:00 auchter and then apparently intel implemented that...
10 17:22:00 andy753421 tommost: i don't know about anything other than qemu, but using kqemu will make it pretty fast, the performance difference should be similar to the difference between 64bit windows vs. 32bit windows as the host
10 17:24:00 tommost help.ubuntu.com has been down... it's annoying.
10 17:30:00 auchter gentoo-wiki.com is up, perhaps it's a sign that you should switch...
10 17:30:00 tommost No, it's a sign that Ubuntu is much more popular than Gentoo.
10 17:31:00 auchter yeah, that's more likely
10 18:05:00 rr72 what are the specs this year for the laptops? next year?
10 18:11:00 andy753421 rr72: beats me, if they've made a decision, then I don't think it's been published yet
10 18:11:00 rr72 prolly better than my desktops lol
10 18:12:00 Blazeix last year they sent out a survey for student input; I haven't seen one sent out yet this year, so I don't think they've reached a decision.
10 18:12:00 rr72 just currious if i go there next year what it owuld be
10 18:20:00 auchter i'm pretty happy with the sophomore laptops, i just wish they had either an nvidia or intel graphics card instead of ati
10 18:21:00 tommost Yeah, same with the freshman model.
10 18:21:00 tommost And the damn dead pixel.
10 18:22:00 kleinjt only one dead pixel?
10 18:22:00 auchter 1 pixel out of 2,304,000
10 18:22:00 tommost Yeah.
10 18:22:00 auchter i'd say that's pretty good.
10 18:23:00 kleinjt Mine has thirty or forty red stuck ones, but they are pretty fracking tiny, I don't notice 'em unless I am looking for them
10 18:23:00 tommost Mine's bright green, which is really obnoxious when you watch dark films, especially considering its position.
10 18:23:00 tommost The human eye is most sensitive to green.
10 18:23:00 rr72 yellow/green
10 18:23:00 auchter i don't think i have any dead pixels on mine
10 18:24:00 rr72 thats the most wavelength of light the sun puts out
10 18:24:00 rr72 intensity i mean
10 18:24:00 tommost The really weird thing are these smudges on my screen. I say "on", but I think that they're actually in it--I can't wash them off, no matter what I try.
10 18:25:00 auchter strange
10 18:25:00 tommost Quite.
10 18:25:00 Zeta_RHIT "You have stumbled onto something interesting. The key to selling Linux as a replacement for Windows is to calculate the savings in terms of something the PHBs understand -- BMWs. A 2008 528i is about $50k, so if you can save $150k, that's 3 BMWs. Smaller companies can calculate using the 328i, larger companies can use the M5 or 745li."
10 18:25:00 Zeta_RHIT stolen from /. comments
10 18:26:00 auchter that's pretty much right
10 18:26:00 auchter thank god i won't end up working in it
10 18:26:00 Zeta_RHIT nods emphatically
10 18:26:00 Zeta_RHIT IT could be an awesome profession, but management just totally screws ya every possible chance
10 18:27:00 auchter i would hate it even without management
10 18:28:00 rr72 how recent are the bios on the laptops? like can you boot from usb and such?
10 18:29:00 auchter yes
10 18:29:00 Blazeix rr72: I know the junior laptops can wake on lan, boot from usb, etc. I'd imagine the sophomore and freshman ones can to
10 18:29:00 rr72 coolio, wake on ring? :-P
10 18:29:00 Zeta_RHIT Hmm, I'd never gotten boot from usb working on the junior one
10 18:29:00 Zeta_RHIT Haven't tried it in a while though
10 18:30:00 rr72 only old bios at home
10 18:30:00 Zeta_RHIT Maybe the bios update made that work
10 18:30:00 Blazeix It works with A04 bios update, but that was a while ago
10 18:30:00 rr72 wait the new one might have that
10 18:30:00 kleinjt freshman ones have hardware virtualization, sophmore ones need a bios update for that IIRC
10 18:30:00 Zeta_RHIT ah, okay
10 18:30:00 rr72 but i don't want to fuck with my dad's new machine bios
10 18:30:00 rr72 oh and plus it never get's shutdown, its always on
10 18:31:00 Zeta_RHIT sam figured out the shutdown issue with the junior laptops at least
10 18:31:00 Zeta_RHIT If you have your wireless on, it'll hang on shutdown
10 18:32:00 Zeta_RHIT I know there were a few people with that issue at installfest
10 18:32:00 Blazeix I think rr72 is talking about a non-rose computer
10 18:32:00 Zeta_RHIT nods
10 18:32:00 Zeta_RHIT It just reminded me, so I mentioned it
10 18:35:00 auchter should the init scripts bring down the interface before shutdown?
10 18:35:00 andy753421 does it matter?
10 18:37:00 Zeta_RHIT I've no idea...
10 18:39:00 Zeta_RHIT Whoever developed labview should never be allowed to touch a computer again...
10 18:39:00 Blazeix ha, Beally is constantly complaining about labview.
10 18:39:00 Zeta_RHIT nods
10 18:39:00 Zeta_RHIT It's horrific
10 18:40:00 Zeta_RHIT also, crashing...
10 18:41:00 Blazeix I'm looking at labview's website, it has support for Windows 2000 and Windows XP AND windows Vista!
10 18:42:00 Blazeix Its amazing how cross-platform they are!
10 18:42:00 Zeta_RHIT programming Labview is like programming Mindstorms
10 18:42:00 Zeta_RHIT it has the same kind of gui programming style
10 18:45:00 Zeta_RHIT must... not... find... and... strangle... developers...
10 19:02:00 octavious Zeta_RHIT: the Mindstorm NXTs are powered by LabVIEW
10 19:03:00 octavious that might explain the resemblance
10 19:04:00 octavious and some of my code is in LabVIEW. that might be why it sucks ;)
10 19:07:00 octavious well, not in 8.2
10 19:19:00 Zeta_RHIT nods at oct's comment about the mindstorms
10 19:20:00 Zeta_RHIT It was a horrible idea then too :P
10 19:26:00 Zeta_RHIT http://forums.programming-designs.com/viewtopic.php?id=1128
10 19:26:00 Zeta_RHIT heh, stumbleupon ftw
10 19:29:00 auchter meh, seems like bloat to me. god created fortune for a reason
10 19:34:00 Blazeix Huh, I just cleared my history a few times, and I got that message too.
10 19:47:00 tommost I couldn't get XP x86-64 to install.
10 19:47:00 tommost (Using kvm.)
10 19:48:00 tommost And apparently it requires ACPI support, whereas regular XP doesn't. ACPI is supposed to slow down kvm/qemu.
10 19:51:00 tommost Okay, that installation went *way* faster with kvm than raw qemu.
10 19:52:00 auchter i need to try out xp under qemu again
10 19:52:00 auchter i'm using vmware player right now, which isn't too bad
10 19:52:00 auchter and i can't seem to get plan9 to run with kvm
10 20:10:00 tommost Are there any good Linux music players out there? I haven't been able to find one that I like--I'm practically to the point of WINEing foobar2000.
10 20:11:00 auchter mpd
10 20:11:00 auchter it's the only worthwhile player
10 20:11:00 auchter i personally use it with the ncmpc client, since ncurses is awesome
10 20:12:00 tommost It doesn't do ReplayGain.
10 20:12:00 tommost I really want that...#rhlug : 12/11/07 01:12 <auchter> i'm pretty sure it does
10 20:12:00 tommost It's not on the features plage.
10 20:12:00 tommost *page.
10 20:13:00 auchter # Specifies the type of ReplayGain to use. Can be "album" or "track".
10 20:13:00 auchter from my /etc/mpd.conf
10 20:13:00 tommost Okay then. I have a music player.
10 20:14:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/files/2007-12-10-201033_1920x1200_scrot.png
10 20:14:00 auchter plus ncmpc is just beautiful
10 20:18:00 tommost You have a peculiar definition of "beautiful."
10 20:18:00 tommost I like my fonts anti-aliased.
10 20:19:00 auchter they're much more readable this way
10 20:20:00 tommost Again, for a strange definition of "readable." One that includes the words "microscopic" and "coarse."
10 20:22:00 auchter perhaps, but with this resolution screen i find it very easy to read
10 20:22:00 auchter my eyes perform all the anti-aliasing for me
10 20:23:00 tommost And the magnification?
10 20:23:00 andy753422 eh, i like anti-aliased fonts, but i also like them small
10 20:24:00 auchter small anti-aliased fonts look too blurry to me
10 20:24:00 auchter plus, { and ( always seem way to similar...
10 20:24:00 tommost I've been quite pleased with the fonts under Linux once I changed everything in the UI away from "Sans". I actually decreased the font size, they were so readable.
10 20:25:00 auchter for browsing the web i prefer sans serif, but for coding and generally in terminals, i don't
10 20:26:00 tommost Huh? All the fonts in your screenshot are sans-serif.
10 20:27:00 auchter unless i'm completely out of it, the fonts in my screen shot definitely are not sans-serif
10 20:28:00 tommost Sans-serif == without serifs. Serifs = spiky bits.
10 20:29:00 auchter agreed.
10 20:29:00 andy753422 tommost: his have some serifs on them, look at the i's and l's
10 20:30:00 auchter those are the important ones to me... ones on c and such seem unnecessary since they're unambiguous
10 20:30:00 andy753422 although, i don't think that terminology is used quite as much when dealing with monospaced fonts..
10 20:30:00 auchter perhaps not
10 20:31:00 tommost Oh, okay. Still, barely serif. What size is that? 11px?
10 20:32:00 auchter yes
10 20:38:00 tommost What archive format produces the smallest files? I'm just compressing a single file (XP disk image). 7z? bzip2?
10 20:38:00 auchter bzip2
10 20:38:00 auchter at least that's what i've always found
10 20:38:00 andy753422 7z, and bz2 i think are comparable
10 20:38:00 andy753422 but both take a long time
10 20:39:00 tommost That's fine... this is an archive of a fresh XP.
10 20:43:00 kleinjt I'd do bz2, because it is a bit more compatible.
10 20:43:00 tommost That's what I went for.
10 20:44:00 auchter yeah, i don't think i've ever used 7z before
10 20:44:00 kleinjt It is pretty neat, but I haven't noticed it being installed by default on any distros.
10 20:44:00 tommost 7z is nice on Windows. It's open, unlike RAR, so I pretty much scream at anyone using RAR to use 7z instead.
10 20:44:00 tommost Yeah, I had to install it myself.
10 20:45:00 auchter gzip is what i use most of the time
10 20:45:00 auchter it seems to be the most widely used, so no matter who i send it to, they can open it
10 20:50:00 tommost bzip2 crushed the 1.4 GB HDD image down to 770.5 MB... it'll almost fit on a CD.
10 22:13:00 Blazeix I just installed and played Portal under wine... It runs _flawlessly_
11 00:46:00 andy753421 anyone know how to do annotations on PDF's or in LaTeX?
11 00:47:00 andy753421 We're supposed to annotate our resumes for tech comm, but I wrote mine in latex, and she expects us all to be using Word..
11 00:51:00 Morasique i had the same problem, house told me i had to remake it in word
11 00:52:00 Morasique hopefully your professor doesn't require the same
11 00:53:00 Morasique i don't think there's a particularly good annotation method in tex, acrobat has a really good commenting system, but you have to have acrobat professional, not just the reader, and it's non-free
11 00:59:00 andy753421 ok, i can't seem to find anything on it either
11 01:00:00 andy753421 although, i may end up just putting the .pdf as the background in a word processors and then drawing boxes, and exporting it back to .pdf
11 01:13:00 Blazeix Have you heard of jarnal? It allows you to import pdfs and write on top of pdfs
11 01:13:00 andy753421 Blazeix: I was looking at that, but it's java, and ugly
11 01:13:00 Blazeix it is, but it might be less ugly than using a word processor.
11 01:15:00 andy753421 what is it about Java programmers and making ugly user interfaces? (the jarnal config dialog: http://andy753421.ath.cx/tmp/ugly.png)
11 01:18:00 tommost Swing, to start with. The magical invocation it takes to make it display a natively is about five painful lines long. That, and how troublesome it is to lay out components. It's easier to make an image and set clickable regions on it than to use Swing JButtons and JLabels and JWhatevers.
11 01:18:00 andy753421 in other news, it looks like Xouranl can do the same thing, but is much nicer, at least on the eyes
11 01:20:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, i never had to do anything to complex with swing, but i ended up trying to learn swt anyway
11 01:22:00 tommost I never had to do complex things with Swing either... just doing simple things is a pain.
11 01:22:00 tommost It is easier to lay out an interface in HTML, CSS and JavaScript. I'm serious.
11 01:27:00 andy753421 depends on the type of application.. even as bad as they are, having widget classes is nicer than trying to do it in HTML
11 01:28:00 andy753421 things like sliders, toggle buttons, expanders, frames, etc, are probably easier in swing
11 01:28:00 andy753421 although, layout itself is a pain
11 01:40:00 Blazeix Has anyone ever used Glade + GTK? that's a nice way to lay out applications.
11 01:41:00 Blazeix you just drag and drop forms, and specify functions that they trigger
11 01:42:00 andy753421 Blazeix: i've used it a couple times, but i don't really write GUI programs that often
11 01:43:00 andy753421 Blazeix: kdeveloper/qtdesigner are very similar for KDE/Qt
11 01:44:00 Blazeix I had to use Glade for csse375, it was a nice change from swing
11 01:47:00 andy753421 well, annotating PDF's failed, so i'm going to sleep and will work on that in the morning
11 01:47:00 andy753421 'night all
11 13:16:00 auchter is anyone presenting this thursday? i don't recall discussing that at the last meeting
11 14:24:00 octavious hey
11 14:24:00 octavious how do i send an email to the mailing list
11 14:30:00 auchter lug-bounces@rose-hulman.edu
11 14:30:00 auchter or perhaps lug@rose-hulman.edu
11 14:32:00 octavious got it
11 14:32:00 octavious did you read the email i got from rickert
11 14:34:00 quark I'm in his class right now!
11 14:34:00 quark thought i'd share
11 14:34:00 octavious ha
11 14:35:00 octavious well it looks like something FINALLY can be done about club status
11 14:35:00 octavious but we need a few people who can show up to a meeting on friday and represent the club
11 14:40:00 auchter i would probably be available, we can discuss it thursday as well
11 14:40:00 quark when does the lug here actually meet?
11 14:41:00 auchter 5:15 on thursdays in f225
11 14:42:00 quark is it pretty active?
11 14:42:00 quark worth going to?
11 14:42:00 auchter i think so, we normally have at least 10 people there
11 14:42:00 auchter sometime more, sometimes less
11 14:43:00 quark thats cool
11 14:43:00 quark everyone pretty knowledgeable?
11 14:44:00 auchter it obviously varies with the subject and the person
11 14:45:00 quark when I came here I thought plenty of kids on my floor would be running linux and such
11 14:45:00 quark but that isn't the case
11 14:45:00 auchter well, you obviously need to start coming to the meetings then, haha
11 14:46:00 auchter but yeah, it's sad how few people actually use it
11 14:46:00 quark yehah I've been using linux for years
11 14:46:00 quark last summer I worked as a sysadmin
11 14:46:00 quark have you ever heard of Amazon's ec2 service?
11 14:47:00 octavious quark: the meetings normally have some pretty good presentations
11 14:47:00 auchter quark: nope
11 14:47:00 auchter looking at it now, though
11 14:48:00 octavious Dr. JP Mellor gave one on LaTeX which I thought was pretty cool
11 14:48:00 quark its really cool
11 14:48:00 quark basically they allow you to boot up xen vm's on the fly
11 14:48:00 quark I was working for a web-dev type company
11 14:48:00 quark but you can do such cool things with it
11 14:48:00 quark liek creating dynamic applications that start and stop servers on the fly
11 14:48:00 quark based on load or something
11 14:49:00 quark you could say run 10 servers during your peak hours
11 14:49:00 quark and scale them down to like 2 at night
11 14:49:00 quark and save tons of moneyh
11 14:49:00 quark money*
11 14:50:00 auchter yeah, it looks interesting
11 14:51:00 quark I need to put linux on my freshman laptop
11 14:51:00 auchter what distro do you use?
11 14:51:00 quark gentoo on my workstation
11 14:51:00 quark I will either put gentoo or slackware on here
11 14:51:00 quark slackware was my first disto, that I learned on
11 14:51:00 octavious quark: you will fit right in.
11 14:51:00 quark so everything else seems like cake
11 14:52:00 octavious alot of gentoo users
11 14:52:00 quark good
11 14:52:00 auchter we're still outnumbered by those pesky ubuntu users...
11 14:52:00 quark I don't like all the ubuntu I see around here
11 14:52:00 quark hahaah
11 14:52:00 quark I guess thats why I didn't go to the install fes
11 14:52:00 quark fest
11 14:52:00 auchter well, there are going to be even more ubuntu users tonight
11 14:53:00 auchter you can still show up and install gentoo
11 14:53:00 quark tonight at 5:15 right?
11 14:53:00 octavious eh, its a decent starting place..but i would prefer to jump right in
11 14:53:00 auchter yeah, in o259 i believe
11 14:53:00 auchter octavious: unfortunately i don't think many people care about learning anything different from what they know
11 14:53:00 quark I think i may just stop by
11 14:54:00 quark I've tried to install linux on here twice
11 14:54:00 octavious auchter: true
11 14:54:00 quark there is something weird with the partitions
11 14:54:00 octavious quark: there is some info on the wiki
11 14:54:00 octavious http://lug.phire.org
11 14:54:00 quark thats why I was thinking about comming tonight
11 14:54:00 auchter i haven't had any issues, and i've got essentially the same laptop
11 14:54:00 quark I get the ntldr error
11 14:55:00 quark you know what I'm talking about?
11 14:55:00 auchter no, i haven't used windows in a very long time
11 14:55:00 quark do you only have linux on your laptop for school?
11 14:56:00 auchter yeah, since winter quarter of last year
11 14:56:00 quark I must admit I like windows for school
11 14:56:00 quark office and outlook
11 14:56:00 quark auchter: what is your major?
11 14:56:00 auchter LaTeX and mutt/thunderbird works great for me
11 14:56:00 auchter quark: computer engineering
11 14:56:00 quark really me too
11 14:56:00 quark xlinx runs on linux no?
11 14:57:00 auchter yeah, cadence as well if you put some effort into it
11 14:57:00 quark I can always run windows in a VM I guess
11 14:57:00 quark I just find it really easy to use windows for school
11 14:57:00 auchter that's what i do if i really need it
11 14:57:00 auchter or, you can just use the terminal servers
11 14:58:00 auchter ts1.rose-hulman.edu
11 14:58:00 quark is that the same as addiator?
11 14:58:00 auchter no, it's a windows server here, so you can use rdesktop to connect if you really need windows
11 14:59:00 quark ahhhh
11 14:59:00 quark well shit
11 14:59:00 quark I'm sold
11 14:59:00 quark I'll see you guys at 5:15 I guess
11 14:59:00 auchter sounds good
11 14:59:00 quark I need the motivation to install it anyways
11 14:59:00 quark I've been wanting to do it for a while
11 15:00:00 auchter yeah, it's a good feeling to be windows free
11 15:00:00 quark I was completely windows free as well
11 15:00:00 quark do you ahve beryl or seomthing set up?
11 15:00:00 quark or compiz-fusion lol
11 15:00:00 auchter no, i use dwm
11 15:01:00 quark dwm?
11 15:01:00 auchter http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm
11 15:01:00 quark nice
11 15:01:00 quark I use either fluxbox
11 15:01:00 quark or kde
11 15:02:00 quark flux if the computer is slow
11 15:02:00 auchter yeah, i don't think i could go back to a non-tiling window manager
11 15:03:00 quark I wonder if outlook runs in wine
11 15:03:00 quark I really like outlook for some reason
11 15:03:00 quark even if its slow
11 15:04:00 quark maple runs on linux too doesn't it?
11 15:04:00 octavious auchter: you got me hooked on dwm. much faster than wmii
11 15:04:00 auchter octavious: i like that i can understand the code for it, too
11 15:04:00 octavious quark: yes, but i beleive it needs a networked license
11 15:04:00 auchter quark: yeah, but rose's license server is down, but i can talk to you about it at the installfest tonight
11 15:05:00 quark alright
11 15:05:00 quark my name is erik speyer btw
11 15:06:00 quark not that you need to know that
11 15:06:00 quark heh
11 15:06:00 auchter haha, well, my nick is my name
11 15:06:00 quark I think its bullshit there is no waste client for linux
11 15:07:00 auchter there is, but it was horrible last i tried it
11 15:07:00 auchter but i think they were restarting development on it...
11 15:07:00 quark I guess I should backup my data after school
11 15:08:00 quark norton ghost is soo nice
11 15:08:00 quark bceause you can convert images into vmware images
11 15:08:00 auchter yeah, really, i would just back up documents and such
11 15:08:00 auchter that's all that's really irreplaceable
11 15:08:00 quark yeah
11 15:08:00 quark I'll probably image it and back up my my docs
11 15:09:00 auchter are you planning on dual booting?
11 15:09:00 quark for now
11 15:09:00 quark when I get comfortable I'll nix windows
11 15:09:00 auchter alright
11 15:09:00 quark (pun intended)
11 15:09:00 quark my desktop is all linux
11 15:09:00 quark I'm not afraid of just using linux
11 15:10:00 quark its just needing things for classes that scares me
11 15:10:00 auchter i haven't encountered a class that i need it for yet
11 15:10:00 quark but I don't really need my computer for any of my classes this quater
11 15:10:00 quark you are a sophmore?
11 15:10:00 auchter yeah
11 15:10:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Course_List
11 15:10:00 auchter that might be helpful as well
11 15:11:00 quark oh that is nice
11 15:11:00 auchter we really need to standardize the rankings, and perhaps color code that...
11 15:11:00 auchter i should add csse332 to that as well, suprised it's not on there.
11 15:12:00 quark well I'm excited
11 15:12:00 quark I have something to do tonight
11 15:13:00 auchter linux is always good.
11 15:14:00 quark its just going to take me forever to get it all configured
11 15:14:00 quark but thast whats nice about linux
11 15:14:00 quark configure it once and it will last forever
11 15:15:00 quark except I hate how over time portage gets really slow
11 15:15:00 quark and the /usr/portage/disfiles becomes huge
11 15:15:00 auchter i just reinstalled over thanksgiving break because i was bored one morning
11 15:15:00 quark You think I'll ahve time to isntall gentoo while everyone else installs ubuntu
11 15:15:00 quark it just takes a while
11 15:16:00 quark well I guess not that long to get it bootable
11 15:16:00 quark just ahve to config the kernel and lilo
11 15:16:00 quark you guys do use lilo right?
11 15:16:00 auchter yeah, it should be more than doable
11 15:16:00 auchter i use lilo, i think everyone else is weird and uses grub
11 15:16:00 quark goood
11 15:19:00 quark alright I gotta go to physics
11 15:19:00 quark I'll see you guys in a few hours
11 15:19:00 auchter alright
11 17:02:00 Blazeix o.k. Installfest time!
11 17:04:00 rr72 so next week i get my letter saying i need to improve my test scores
11 17:52:00 octavious fun installfest
11 17:58:00 auchter indeed
11 18:03:00 TBoneULS yes
11 18:19:00 rr72 FUN?!
11 18:19:00 rr72 raining down there?
11 18:48:00 octavious a little
11 18:48:00 octavious not too bad
11 20:50:00 quark is there a gentoo distfiles mirror on campus?
11 20:52:00 andy753421 quark: ftp://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/linux/gentoo/distfiles
11 20:52:00 andy753421 and lug.phire.org runs a rsync mirror
11 20:53:00 andy753421 but my computer is slow so it's just as fast to rsync to some normal server
11 20:56:00 quark thats what I did
11 21:17:00 rr72 andy753421~ thats intranet from inside the domain right?
11 21:23:00 andy753421 rr72: lug.phire.org and ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu are on the rose network
11 21:23:00 rr72 figures from the TLD
11 21:23:00 rr72 well the second one
11 21:23:00 rr72 never seen the first one befpre lol
11 21:24:00 rr72 i guess i am asking will dns resolv it locally
11 21:31:00 tommost Has anyone gotten suspend or hibernate working with the nw8440?
11 21:55:00 Morasique does anybody have a junior laptop and a dock? i can't seem to get the sound output to work correctly on ubuntu
11 21:56:00 Morasique the only solution i've found is to turn the IEC958 switch on in volume control, which permanently outputs the sound at full volume, even if the system is muted
12 00:14:00 andy753421 hey, does anyone know why ubuntu won't use decent resolutions?
12 00:14:00 andy753421 or what type of monitor the Dell laptops have?
12 00:15:00 andy753421 or if someone can send me an example xorg.conf form ubuntu that would be nice
12 00:15:00 andy753421 I tried the fedora xorg.conf which worked once, but when x restarted it went down to 640x480
12 00:16:00 tommost I can give you my xorg.conf. How would you like it?
12 00:16:00 andy753421 you have a web server, post me a link
12 00:17:00 tommost Just a moment.
12 00:17:00 auchter tommost: (just looked at the backlog) i had hibernate working last year, but stopped using it since it took just as long as a normal boot
12 00:18:00 tommost Hmm.
12 00:18:00 auchter tommost: suspend, though, i was not able to get working at the time
12 00:18:00 auchter tommost: i haven't tried in a year or so, though
12 00:18:00 tommost Every time I try either one it stops with a blinking underscore at the top-left of an otherwise blank screen.
12 00:19:00 auchter are you using suspend2?
12 00:19:00 tommost I don't know.
12 00:19:00 tommost I hit the "Suspend" button.
12 00:19:00 auchter alright, because that's what i used for hibernate
12 00:19:00 auchter ah, scary.
12 00:22:00 tommost http://jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/xorg.conf
12 00:23:00 andy753421 ok, thanks
12 00:29:00 tommost Have you got it, Andy?
12 00:32:00 andy753421 yea
12 00:34:00 andy753421 hey auchter, svn://phire.org/synmidi doesn't seem to be responding
12 00:39:00 auchter andy753421: should work now, apparently i didn't use a macro for my svn server's ip
12 00:40:00 auchter i was in the process of adding a feature when i committed this, so you'll get some warnings, and i'm not quite sure what it does at this point
12 00:41:00 andy753421 ok, time to restart X
12 00:43:00 andy753421 are you using svn synaptics driver or something?
12 00:43:00 andy753421 I'm getting "Incorrect size of shared memory area. Incompatible driver version?"
12 00:43:00 auchter i'm using 0.14.6
12 00:55:00 andy_spencer auchter: ok, so i got it installed on gentoo, and it seems to run fine, but it doesn't make any noise?
12 00:55:00 andy_spencer do I have to enable anything, or disable the normal mouse drivers to get it to work?
12 00:58:00 auchter so, you have to use aconnect to connect the program's output to your midi device
12 00:59:00 auchter aconnect -i will show the port the program is running on
12 00:59:00 andy_spencer the program doesn't output anything?
12 00:59:00 auchter and aconnect -o will show output programs
12 00:59:00 andy_spencer oh
12 01:00:00 auchter hm, it should still say "Note: " the a number, regardless if it's connected to anything
12 01:00:00 andy_spencer aconnect has 'client-128' [type=user]
12 01:01:00 andy_spencer and 'midi through' [typer=kernel] as client 14
12 01:01:00 andy_spencer so would I do 'aconnect 128 14'?
12 01:01:00 auchter aconnect 128:0 14:0 should work
12 01:11:00 andy_spencer ok, i'm trying to figure out how your code works
12 01:17:00 andy_spencer ok, i got notes printing out, my [xy]m{in,ax} were different than yours
12 01:19:00 andy_spencer what the hell are l and h in the pitch function?
12 01:23:00 andy_spencer do I have to have anything special to use rawmidi?
12 01:56:00 auchter l = lowest midi note you want to play, h = highest midi note you want to play
12 02:01:00 andy_spencer what's the vel parameter to midi_note_on, and where are you getting documentation on the alsa functions?
12 02:01:00 andy_spencer specifically, on the snd_rawmidi_write function
12 02:01:00 auchter vel is the velocity with which the note is struck/released
12 02:01:00 auchter the alsa site has something on it, but it's hard to find
12 02:01:00 auchter hold on
12 02:02:00 auchter http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/rawmidi.html
12 02:15:00 andy_spencer I think my midi stuff is broken
12 02:16:00 andy_spencer I'm connectiong 128 to 14, and if I do 'aseqdump -p 14:0' it prints out a bunch of '14:0(source) Note on(event) 0(chan) 63 64(data)' messages, which would make me think it should be playing some sound, but it's not
12 02:18:00 andy_spencer 14:0 is 'Midi Through Port-0' and client 14 is 'Midi Through [type=kernel]' I also have some 20-23, which are 'Virtual Raw Midi -1?' devices
12 02:18:00 auchter try installing timidity and using that for midi playback
12 02:19:00 andy_spencer timidity++?
12 02:19:00 auchter yeah
12 02:19:00 auchter you can launch it as a server then
12 02:19:00 auchter timidity -iA -B2,8 -Os -EFreverb=0
12 02:19:00 auchter that's the command line i use
12 02:19:00 andy_spencer what does that do?
12 02:20:00 auchter i'm not sure actually, but that's what a timidity page said to do
12 02:20:00 andy_spencer oh, does that make synmidi work, or is that to test midi playback?
12 02:23:00 andy_spencer ah, ok, it seems to be working now, so you need to run the timidity command, then synmidi, then aconnect 128 129?
12 02:23:00 andy_spencer I'm adding that to the makefile
12 02:28:00 auchter ah, not a bad idea
12 02:28:00 auchter i'll give you write access, what username?
12 02:28:00 andy_spencer is it kerberos login?
12 02:28:00 auchter no
12 02:28:00 andy_spencer oh, just make it spenceal:spenceal
12 02:28:00 auchter ok
12 02:29:00 andy_spencer of if you want, send me a different password
12 02:29:00 auchter eh, i don't think it's a big deal
12 02:29:00 auchter ok, you should be able to commit now
12 02:49:00 andy_spencer ok, the job controll on that is a pain
12 14:36:00 andy753421 Hey, has anyone ever gotten subclipse to work on ubuntu?
12 14:37:00 tommost I've used it.
12 14:39:00 andy753421 how did you get it to work?
12 14:40:00 tommost Um, you have to find a dialog somewhere in Eclipse's labyrinth of menus. I think that it may be in the Help menu(?)
12 14:40:00 andy753421 what we tried was going to eclipse, then adding the subclipse repository (http://subclipse.tigris.org/update_1.2.x) and then clicking next. It seems to install correctly,
12 14:40:00 andy753421 but then when we try to switch to the svn perspective it gives us errors
12 14:40:00 tommost Yeah, I think that I used some sort of browser in Eclipse itself to install it.
12 14:41:00 andy753421 yea, we used the eclipse browser thing as well
12 14:41:00 andy753421 do you have it installed now?
12 14:42:00 tommost Nope. My VMWare Ubuntu image got trashed along with Windows.
12 14:43:00 tommost Why are you using Eclipse?
12 14:43:00 auchter were you running eclipse under a user that has permission to install the plugin?
12 14:44:00 tommost It was my regular user.
12 14:44:00 tommost I don't recall sudoing anything.
12 14:48:00 andy753421 ok, apparently /etc/eclipse/java_home was telling it to use gcj/gij before sun-java
12 14:48:00 andy753421 so it was incompatible
12 14:49:00 tommost Silly Java. Compilers are for real languages.
12 14:50:00 andy753421 so yea, curt had asked me to help one of the CS students get it set up
12 14:51:00 tommost Ah. I was having trouble picturing you using it.
12 14:57:00 auchter everybody loves eclipse
12 14:57:00 tommost everybody = filter(lambda person: person.loves_java, everybody)
12 14:58:00 auchter i don't speak lisp
12 14:58:00 tommost That was Python.
12 14:58:00 auchter gah, what the hell
12 14:58:00 tommost Note the operator.
12 14:58:00 tommost Lisp doesn't have those, does it.
12 14:58:00 auchter python looks like line noise to me
12 14:59:00 tommost I have definitely never heard that one before.
12 14:59:00 auchter maybe i'm just bitter that everyone seems to prefer it to perl for some reason
12 14:59:00 tommost Of course everyone prefers it to Perl. In Perl, holding down Shift and smashing on the number row is a valid expression.
12 15:00:00 auchter come on, $|++; is a perfectly logical way to flush the output!
12 15:00:00 tommost file_obj.flush();
12 15:00:00 tommost (Semicolon optional.)
12 15:00:00 auchter fflush(stdout);
12 15:00:00 auchter makes more sense than python
12 15:00:00 tommost How so?
12 15:01:00 tommost It's just different.
12 15:01:00 auchter pointers > objects
12 15:01:00 tommost Python has references, not pointers.
12 15:02:00 tommost Still, it's not adverse to global functions, where they are appropriate for application on to a wide range of objects. For example, filter(), map(), zip(), min(), max().
12 15:03:00 tommost There's also reduce(), but it's moving to the functools module in 3.0 (for good reason).
12 15:03:00 tommost But fflush? Why make it global? It would just clutter up the namespace.
12 15:04:00 auchter you could chose to not include stdio.h
12 15:05:00 tommost Python includes IO by default. See open().
12 15:05:00 auchter but since you've included that, it makes sense that you'd want the ability to flush
12 15:05:00 tommost Yes. with open("filename", "w") as f:
12 15:05:00 tommost f.write("Flush me.")
12 15:05:00 tommost f.flush()
12 15:06:00 tommost I just don't see the advantage of making it a global in Python, versus a method.
12 15:07:00 auchter FILE *in = fopen("filename", "w");
12 15:07:00 auchter fprintf("flush me.");
12 15:07:00 auchter gah, fprintf(in, "flush me.");
12 15:07:00 auchter fflush(in);
12 15:08:00 tommost print "Flush me."
12 15:08:00 tommost sys.stdout.flush()
12 15:08:00 auchter printf("Flush me.");
12 15:08:00 auchter fflush(stdout);
12 15:08:00 auchter C is much less scary.
12 15:08:00 tommost How is either one scary?
12 15:08:00 tommost (Neither one is Perl.)
12 15:09:00 tommost (Or Java.)
12 15:09:00 auchter don't remind me about java, i have a program due monday that i've been putting off
12 15:09:00 auchter mainly because i just don't want to deal with java right now.
12 15:09:00 tommost Does it involve file I/O? 'cause then I'd pity you.
12 15:10:00 auchter it does, but it's pretty trivial
12 15:10:00 tommost Even trivial is about 5 lines in Java.
12 15:10:00 auchter actually, i'd even say i like the way file i/o is handled for this program
12 15:10:00 tommost How so?
12 15:11:00 auchter Scanner s = new Scanner(new File(filename));
12 15:12:00 auchter s.next(); to read in the next word
12 15:12:00 tommost Does Scanner automatically buffer, then?
12 15:12:00 tommost We always did it manually in 221.
12 15:13:00 auchter i'm not sure
12 15:14:00 tommost That's a core reason that I don't like Java I/O. Buffering should be automatic. You should have to disable it in those rare cases where, for some reason, you don't want it done.
12 15:14:00 tommost It's even automatic in *C*, for God's sake!
12 15:15:00 auchter i believe it is buffered, since the api says the buffer may overflow with certain patterns
12 15:16:00 tommost But it's probably just reading a single character at a time.
12 15:17:00 auchter perhaps, it doesn't really go into detail and i'm too lazy to check
12 16:39:00 Blazeix I asked IAIT about the hard drive cylinder issue. The person who set up the image was out today, but an assistant said that he doesn''t think the images have been changed since the summer.
12 16:40:00 andy753421 Blazeix: ok
12 16:40:00 Blazeix So if it was something wrong with the image, then every freshman should be experiencing it
12 16:40:00 Blazeix Tomorrow, if the guy who set it up is back in, i'll ask him
12 16:58:00 rr72 how is everyone today?
12 17:01:00 rr72 quick question, can you backup the laptops to a server on campus?
12 17:01:00 rr72 or do you need to backup yourself?
12 17:01:00 tommost You have to do it yourself.
12 17:03:00 rr72 hugs dd
12 17:03:00 rr72 sweet you can backup even an all windows hd
12 17:03:00 rr72 boot live cd and then dd to an image
12 17:27:00 povilusr chrismas dinner tonite in the ara i hting
12 17:27:00 povilusr think
12 17:29:00 andy753421 hmm
12 17:30:00 andy753421 povilusr: time to steal my room mates dinners
12 18:09:00 tommost How do you force SSHFS to unmount when the network connection has been broken?
12 18:09:00 tommost fusermount -u returns "device is busy"
12 18:10:00 auchter does -o reconnect work?
12 18:11:00 tommost It seems to have hung.
12 18:13:00 auchter you could probably use ifplugd to unmount the share when you unplug your network cable
12 18:13:00 tommost That would be handy.
12 18:16:00 tommost Ah. It finally aborted.
12 18:23:00 tommost I just found an entry relating to suspend on our laptops: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710#head-c98faa820625bac26a119b0ae3f1d2534d3394a1
12 18:25:00 auchter tommost: that seems to be worded that it just doesn't work due to changes in 2.6.23, however, i was unable to get it working at all last year with whatever the latest version was
12 18:25:00 auchter so i think it is a deeper problem than just fglrx
12 18:27:00 tommost Looking at the bug on Launchpad, it appears that it has been narrowed down to specific kernel versions.
12 18:30:00 auchter well, give it a try and let me know how it works out... it really would be helpful to have suspend
12 18:31:00 auchter although i suppose it doesn't matter much since i don't have a working battery
12 18:31:00 tommost Give it a try? I've already confirmed that suspend doesn't work, with exactly the described symptoms.
12 18:32:00 tommost What's to try?
12 18:32:00 auchter i thought you said certain kernel versions have the problem, others don't
12 18:33:00 tommost Well, yes, but that's a bit out of my league.
12 18:34:00 tommost I like my machine to work, and me messing with kernels is a good way to stop that. I was messing with encfs just last week and managed to break PAM--that was trouble enough for a month.
12 18:34:00 auchter well, with pam you have the opportunity to completely mess stuff up (although, nothing that booting into single user mode won't fix)
12 18:35:00 auchter kernel compilation is much more straightforward, and you just revert to the old version if the new one doesn't work
12 18:37:00 auchter on that note, why the hell does pam have to be so confusing?
12 18:37:00 auchter you'd think they could chose words that were a bit different from "required" and "requisite"
12 18:38:00 tommost My issue was that I couldn't get it to mount my home directory with encfs. And of course, the error messages weren't at all helpful.
12 18:41:00 auchter when i used encfs, i used it with pam for a bit but then decided on mounting it myself
12 18:41:00 auchter good for going through customs and they want you to log in for them...
12 18:41:00 tommost How, exactly, do you mount your home directory "yourself"?
12 18:42:00 auchter so, i would have my home directory /home/auchtemm
12 18:42:00 auchter and i'd have /home/.auchtemm-c as my encfs directory
12 18:43:00 auchter then i'd use encfs to mount /home/.auchtemm-c to /home/auchtemm
12 18:43:00 tommost But you need auchtemm to be empty, in that case. How does that work?
12 18:43:00 auchter actually, you don't
12 18:44:00 auchter i forget the command that i used to mount it, hold on
12 18:45:00 auchter so, encfs takes nonempty as an option, which allows you to mount it to a nonempty folder
12 18:46:00 auchter which worked nicely, since i had copies of my .bashrc and .xinitrc in /home/auchtemm
12 18:46:00 auchter so i could log in and let someone else use my machine without mounting my actual home drive
12 18:46:00 tommost I see. Does encfs allow access to the files originally in the directory once you've mounted it?
12 18:47:00 auchter no, not from what i remember
12 18:47:00 auchter if it did, that would be quite a hole in it, actually
12 18:47:00 auchter since then someone could touch a file in your unencrypted directory that they want to read
12 18:48:00 auchter then, you mount the encfs over that, and then changes would be written encrypted to that file
12 18:48:00 auchter s/encrypted/unencrypted/
12 18:48:00 tommost I see. Why is this customs thing an issue, anyways?
12 18:50:00 auchter for example, a customs officer could ask you to log them into your computer if you're travelling with it
12 18:50:00 auchter refusal is normally not a good option if you value being a free person
12 18:50:00 auchter and giving access to data to thugs is not something i like either
12 18:51:00 tommost Got it.
12 19:21:00 auchter "Rose-Hulman Gets HP Award For Exceptional Teaching Technology Usage"
12 19:21:00 auchter i'm sure that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that essentially every laptop/tablet in the school is from HP (excepting sophomores, of course)
12 19:22:00 auchter s/sophomore/junior/
12 19:22:00 tommost Yes, and pity them.
12 19:32:00 TBoneULS in the article, it talks about the
12 19:32:00 TBoneULS "olin advanced learning center"
12 19:32:00 TBoneULS the one room with tablets?
12 19:33:00 tommost What's the point of those, anyway?
12 19:33:00 TBoneULS uh so we can have humanities classes in there and not use them?
12 19:33:00 TBoneULS no clue
12 19:33:00 auchter i love marketingspeak
12 19:33:00 TBoneULS last quarter i had a class in there, just used my laptop because it had everything i need on it
12 19:33:00 TBoneULS ya
12 19:33:00 TBoneULS advanced learning center made me laugh
12 19:34:00 povilus-desktop thats the name of the building isent it?
12 19:34:00 auchter i like how they have the tablets chained up, too
12 19:34:00 auchter shows how much they trust the students...
12 19:39:00 TBoneULS they weren't at the beginning of the year
12 19:39:00 TBoneULS and its prob easier than putting them away and dealing with it
12 19:39:00 TBoneULS im not sure if that is the official name of the building
12 19:39:00 TBoneULS i dont think i've heard that before
12 19:46:00 TBoneULS wow, this is great, its from the article, talking about who got grants, "....and Williams, who also professor of English."
12 19:55:00 auchter perfect sentence.
12 21:40:00 Joseph_Preston im using ubuntu gutsy and i cant type in a tilde in maple 11 or matlab 2007a does anyone know how to fix that?
12 21:43:00 auchter that's probably the strangest thing i've ever heard
12 21:44:00 auchter you can type a tilde in other applications?
12 21:45:00 Joseph_Preston yea
12 21:45:00 Joseph_Preston i think it has to something to do with deadkeys
12 21:46:00 auchter i've never had that issue, i'm using maple 11 now with no problems typing a tilde
12 21:46:00 auchter have you changed your keyboard layout at all?
12 21:46:00 Joseph_Preston no
12 21:48:00 auchter in that case, i really don't know what would cause that
12 21:48:00 auchter that's very strange
12 21:48:00 kleinjt Have you looked at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622814 ?
12 21:49:00 kleinjt It is another ubuntu users complaining about a similar problem
12 21:49:00 kleinjt *user..
12 21:49:00 Joseph_Preston yea i read that
12 21:50:00 kleinjt http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=347092&highlight=maple ?
12 21:50:00 kleinjt If you've tried that that, then I have no ideas
12 21:50:00 Joseph_Preston i can make a ^ just fine in both matlab and maple
12 21:51:00 Joseph_Preston and if i put my keyboard in denmark all the other keys arent right haha
12 21:52:00 kleinjt right :P
12 21:54:00 kleinjt It is a long shot, but you can change which version of java maple uses, according to http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Maple
12 21:54:00 kleinjt I'm testing it out right now
12 21:58:00 Joseph_Preston if i put Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" under Section "InputDevice" in my xorg.conf i can type a tilde in both but the Super key doesnt work at all and i get some error that the xorg keyboard doesnt match the gnome keyboard
12 21:58:00 andy753421 mike, have you ever used mk?
12 22:01:00 auchter i read the man page for it a little, but that's about it
12 22:01:00 andy753421 ok, i'm trying to figure out what build system I want to use for the robotics club
12 22:02:00 auchter some things seem kind of cool
12 22:03:00 auchter like built in regular expressions
12 22:46:00 kleinjt Did you get maple working?
12 22:48:00 Joseph_Preston no
12 22:51:00 kleinjt I don't think it would make a difference, but I switched maple from the included java runtime to the ubuntu installed one without borking it, maybe that would help.
12 22:52:00 kleinjt At least I think it switched over.
12 22:52:00 Joseph_Preston i might try that later thanks for all the help
12 22:53:00 rr72 servers still down for certs?
12 22:53:00 rr72 someone had that problem a few days ago
13 12:22:00 octavious bah
13 12:24:00 auchter ?
13 12:28:00 octavious one of those days
13 12:36:00 auchter indeed. i should probably do the 230 homework that was due today...
13 12:47:00 octavious i should have made a responsible decision not to drink last night
13 12:53:00 octavious but wednesday night is poker night
13 12:53:00 octavious and you cant play poker without drinking
13 14:48:00 octavious i wont be able to go to the meeting today :#rhlug : 12/13/07 19:51 <quark> oh yeah, what time is that?
13 14:56:00 octavious 5:15pm
13 14:56:00 quark I really hope iait reimaged my laptop correctly
13 14:57:00 quark there isn't an 'fdisk -l' equivalent in windows is there?
13 14:57:00 octavious not that i know of. the disk management tool is probably your best bet
13 15:02:00 quark i'll just wait till I get out of class
13 15:45:00 auchter so, is there any presentation tonight?
13 15:53:00 octavious it seems we have been less vigilent about scheduling presentations
13 15:54:00 octavious we also need to make sure that we have people in that meeting on friday
13 15:54:00 octavious and they refamiliarize themselves with the constitution
13 16:03:00 auchter yeah, i'll bring that up tonight
13 16:30:00 Joseph_Presto1 has anyone had any luck figuring out that tilde thing in matlab?
13 16:35:00 auchter Joseph_Presto1: you may try stopping by the meeting today, someone else may have some idea
13 16:54:00 quark dammit I got my laptop reimaged
13 16:54:00 quark and the partition is still to big
13 16:56:00 auchter does it still show up as unallocated?
13 17:00:00 quark I didn't even look
13 17:00:00 quark fdisk reports that it takes up more cylinders than are on the disk
13 17:00:00 quark so yes it will still show up unallocated
13 17:02:00 auchter well, thre's still a chance that the two things are unrelated
13 17:02:00 auchter anyway, i'm heading over to the cs lab now
13 19:28:00 collinjc Aucther, are you back yet?
13 19:38:00 auchter collinjc: yeah
13 19:44:00 collinjc Your program doesn't compile.
13 19:48:00 collinjc Nevermind. It compiles with your make file, which is good enough for me.
13 20:08:00 auchter haha, alright, sorry about that
13 22:09:00 Blazeix gahh. We just had a fire-drill at BSB
13 22:09:00 tommost We had one a while ago at Deming.
13 22:09:00 Blazeix We'd heard from all the other dorms that we were having firedrills, so we were all prepared.
13 22:09:00 Blazeix Our R.A. got angry we were prepared, and said the next one will be after midnight.
13 22:10:00 tommost Heh.
13 22:13:00 andy753421 Blazeix: how exactly did you prepare?
13 22:14:00 Blazeix well, we didn't really prepare, but our r.a. found out that we new about it.
13 22:14:00 Blazeix glares at octavious
13 22:14:00 octavious :#rhlug : 12/14/07 03:14 <Blazeix> /new/knew
13 22:14:00 octavious yeah. i wouldnt have cared much
13 22:15:00 octavious but there were people standing in the first floor hallway with there towels
13 22:15:00 Blazeix its really not a big deal, since I'd imagine most people are up past midnight anyway
13 22:31:00 auchter i can't even think about sleep until 1:30
13 22:42:00 andy753421 so who's giving a presentation next week?
13 22:42:00 octavious how was the meeting today?
13 22:42:00 andy753421 pretty good,
13 22:42:00 andy753421 by the way, we elected you president
13 22:43:00 andy753421 well, 'temporary' president for the meeting tomorrow
13 22:46:00 octavious ahh. okay heh
13 22:47:00 octavious i can deal with that. although a full election process should be held (pending approval from the committee)
13 22:48:00 auchter yeah, it was more of making sure that if a question like that was asked tomorrow that we'd hae a good answer
13 22:48:00 octavious ya i figured
13 22:48:00 octavious so who is going to go?
13 23:08:00 TBoneULS i put something about how we should describe the club on the wiki
13 23:09:00 TBoneULS linked from todays meeting minutes
13 23:09:00 TBoneULS its pretty bad, so people should comment / modify it
13 23:09:00 TBoneULS by bad, i mean i forgot some of the stuff i was supposed to put up there
13 23:58:00 TBoneULS ya so has anyone looked at the thing?
13 23:58:00 TBoneULS and by thing, i mean what we should say to student affairs
14 00:04:00 andy753421 I don't think we should list helping OS student's as one of our purposes
14 00:05:00 andy753421 but more of helping professors and academics in general
14 00:08:00 auchter andy753421: i agree, wording that more generally would be better
14 00:08:00 auchter i wonder if we can find some purpose statements from other lugs, particularly from other colleges
14 00:10:00 auchter perhaps we could also work in our weekly presentations into the purposes
14 00:12:00 andy753421 we should say something about lobbying for free/open source software in classrooms and things like that
14 00:13:00 auchter along with an explanation as to why we want to have people use free software, such as the learning aspects
14 00:13:00 andy753421 and I like the idea of keeping it more OS general, so it's not specifically for linux, but for things like *BSD, Plan9, and maybe even apple
14 00:13:00 auchter because i have a feeling some will just say "you get all the software at a good price included with your laptop..."
14 00:14:00 andy753421 and open standards not just software
14 00:14:00 auchter andy753421: curt was commenting on how similar some things are between os x and linux as well...
14 00:14:00 andy753421 yea, the backend of OSX is fairly normal unix
14 00:15:00 auchter yeah, it's just finding people who use that backend is kind of hard...
14 00:15:00 auchter open standards... i wish rose would use caldav for calendaring and have professors use that too
14 00:16:00 andy753421 webdav for ical would be fine as well
14 00:17:00 auchter so, so far we have that we want to encourage the use of free software and open standards
14 00:32:00 auchter for the main server in the budget, we should probably say that we plan on virtualizing several operating systems/distributions concurrently for testing purposes
14 01:10:00 TBoneULS k i think i got all that
14 01:19:00 andy753421 I updated the talk section and changed a bunch of wording and made it more generic
14 01:20:00 andy753421 oh, eventually, we should probably merge this into 'Article II: Objective' in the constitution
14 01:20:00 andy753421 actually, we should probably do that before tomorrow
14 01:21:00 auchter speaking of action verbs, this list may come in handy: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/5DaveAsh.html
14 01:32:00 Blazeix Might be an interesting stat that the wiki has 34k page views, so its not like we're an organization that does nothing
14 01:33:00 Blazeix I know a few people (not in the lug) that heavily rely on the info in the wiki
14 01:33:00 andy753421 another more relevant but slight less impressive statistic would be 37 content pages and 738 edits
14 01:34:00 andy753421 most of those page views are probably by googlebot and the like
14 01:34:00 auchter still, i bet most people won't know that, and the fact is that the wiki does provide a very helpful resource otherwise unavailable from rose
14 01:36:00 andy753421 yea, there's non-rose people who find it via search engines as well
14 01:36:00 andy753421 not sure if it's actually helpful to them or not, but oh well
14 01:37:00 auchter another interesting stat is 4187 lines in the irc log
14 01:38:00 andy753421 agreed, speaking of which, I should turn on log rotate
14 01:39:00 auchter yeah, 4000 lines in, what, 2 months isn't so bad
14 01:39:00 auchter granted not everything was strictly on topic, but a good portion of it was
14 03:01:00 auchter having that rfid reader on the outside of the myers building really makes life much better
14 12:56:00 andy753421 has anyone noticed that when emulating windows xp (for me in Qemu) that it starts pegging your CPU after being idle for about 5 minutes?
14 12:57:00 auchter andy753421: i don't think i've had that problem
14 12:58:00 auchter is it windows that starts using cpu, or qemu?
14 13:00:00 andy753421 I don't know, my fans just start spinning up and htop my CPU's at 100%, then I go and click the windows window and move my mouse around and my cpu goes back down
14 13:00:00 andy753421 going to go try running task manager in windows and see if that says anything
14 13:13:00 andy753421 apparently 'mscorsvw.exe' is trying to 'precompile .NET assemblies in the background'
14 14:08:00 auchter so, we just have to make some changes to the constitution, and rickert said that we'd be approved
14 14:09:00 andy753421 what do we have to do to the constitution?
14 14:09:00 auchter we don't have a process for voting, for one
14 14:09:00 auchter and a couple other minor changes which baty is going to make to the wiki
14 14:10:00 andy753421 ok, did they talk about budget?
14 14:10:00 auchter yeah, but apparently they don't have say in that
14 14:10:00 andy753421 ok
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS how many meetings should people have to attend
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS to be a member
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS a voting member is 2 a month
14 14:16:00 auchter i thought it was 1 per month?
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS ahem
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS yes
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS tis
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS so what about just a member?
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS or do we want to differentiate?
14 14:16:00 TBoneULS i mean not differentiate?
14 14:16:00 auchter hmm
14 14:16:00 auchter i don't know
14 14:17:00 andy753421 sab does 3 consecutive meetings, or something like 4 out of 5
14 14:17:00 TBoneULS ya so can someone unlock the constitution page?
14 14:17:00 TBoneULS hmm
14 14:17:00 TBoneULS so attend 4 out of 5 consecutive meetings, and be a member until....?
14 14:17:00 TBoneULS forever?
14 14:19:00 andy753421 i think so, but I don't remember
14 14:19:00 andy753421 we can probably come up with something better though
14 14:20:00 TBoneULS ya thats what im thinking
14 14:21:00 octavious maybe 3 consecutive meetings makes you a voting member for a year
14 14:21:00 andy753421 (it's unlocked to registered users)
14 14:23:00 TBoneULS ya im in now, thanks
14 14:23:00 TBoneULS ya i like that
14 14:23:00 TBoneULS we'll go with that
14 14:23:00 octavious yeah. i think it shoul be pretty lax
14 14:23:00 octavious but i feel any changes need to be approved by the existing members
14 14:24:00 TBoneULS so should we only define voting memebers?
14 14:24:00 TBoneULS and by that i mean members
14 14:24:00 TBoneULS not 2 different categories?
14 14:25:00 octavious do we have to go back up in front of the board
14 14:26:00 TBoneULS no
14 14:26:00 TBoneULS we email it to them, and they'll basically approve it as long as we have made these changes
14 14:27:00 TBoneULS is there a good way on the wiki to mark what needs to be changed?
14 14:31:00 TheRoo1 meh.
14 14:31:00 TheRoo1 does anyone remember how to ghost?
14 14:32:00 TBoneULS im also changing the presidential succession to a subcategory under officers
14 14:33:00 TBoneULS it was an amendmant, and i dont think it officially should be called one
14 14:48:00 TBoneULS i added some stuff
14 14:48:00 TBoneULS check it out
14 14:49:00 auchter should the licensing be in the consitution at all? i thought they said to just delegate that task to someone
14 15:16:00 TheRoo1 the fact that that's a responsibility should be mentioned.
14 15:17:00 TheRoot that is to say, someone should be specifically tasked with that responsibility.
14 15:17:00 auchter i would agree with either the sysadmin or vp having that job
14 15:27:00 TheRoot risk management is a classic responsibility for any VP. on the other hand, the sysadmin will be the one actually installing stuff and making it public.
14 15:28:00 TheRoot perhaps it would be enough to say that the sysadmin must keep a copy of the licence for everything that's installed.
14 15:28:00 TheRoot that's probably not too difficult.
14 15:36:00 TheRoot anyway.
14 15:36:00 TheRoot that's my two cents.
14 17:11:00 Blazeix So, how did the student affairs committe meeting go?
14 17:13:00 auchter pretty well
14 17:13:00 auchter they wanted some small changes made to the constitution, but then we're pretty much approved
14 19:58:00 andy753421 is there a difference between laptop SATA and desktop SATA?
14 20:43:00 TBoneULS andy: no, but i think the power and sata might be spaced differnently, im not sure, but otherwsie i think theyre the same
14 20:43:00 TBoneULS i know that was a while ago
14 20:52:00 auchter povilus-desktop: you still interested in selling some network cable
14 23:14:00 octavious my god
14 23:15:00 octavious Reefer Madness: The Movie Musical is AMAZING
14 23:43:00 auchter octavious: i need to see that.
14 23:44:00 octavious yeah you do
15 02:56:00 TBoneULS dude,,,,,
15 02:58:00 octavious huh
15 03:00:00 TBoneULS un not sure
15 03:00:00 TBoneULS im not sure
15 03:10:00 TBoneULS its awesome, thats all i know
15 15:27:00 rr72 hey all
15 15:30:00 Zeta_RHIT 'lo
15 15:36:00 rr72 lol
15 15:37:00 rr72 bored, putty ssh -> screen ed irssi
15 17:05:00 rr72 bbl: movies! ;)
16 00:18:00 kleinjt hah, command line maple supports ASCII graphing
16 00:18:00 kleinjt awesome
16 00:21:00 auchter yeah, it's fun to do sometimes
16 00:23:00 kleinjt have anyone tried to get xmaple to work over ssh tunneling X11? When I tried it would not respond to keyboard input
16 00:23:00 auchter i did it from additor/sliderule last year and it seemed to work fine
16 00:23:00 auchter although clicking occasionally made it crash
16 00:24:00 kleinjt did you have to install maple on addiator?
16 00:27:00 kleinjt nm
16 14:38:00 auchter so, is anyone doing a presentation this week?
16 14:38:00 auchter i don't remember if we discussed that
16 15:52:00 tommost I'm getting an error from svn, telling me that it can't lock a directory. lsof doesn't show any files open in that directory. Any ideas?
16 15:52:00 tommost (I'm trying to do an svn update.)
16 17:45:00 tommost → amuses me.
16 18:06:00 auchter why's that?
16 18:09:00 rr72 i should get my letter
16 18:16:00 rr72 this week
16 21:17:00 tommost I want a t-shirt: "I'm an HTML pirate."
16 21:17:00 tommost "→"
16 21:17:00 andy753421 do they make those?
16 21:18:00 tommost No, I just came up with the idea earlier today.
17 02:15:00 tommost http://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/msg/52f04d4ab1121c9b
17 04:03:00 octavious hmm
17 04:03:00 octavious i am seriously considering dreading my hair
17 04:04:00 andy753421 heh, i was thinking about that as well, since i'll probably be cutting it all off again in the spring it wouldn't matter
17 04:13:00 octavious takes a lot of time apparently
17 07:12:00 auchter tommost: lkml can be fun indeed. if you want a good laugh, search for Theo de Raadt, the guy who started OpenBSD... he can be a bit harsh at times, with usually hilarious results
17 09:15:00 auchter octavious: what's the name of that firefox plugin that you were talking about at the installfest?
17 10:48:00 octavious auchter: i think you mean yubnub
17 10:48:00 octavious yubnub.org
17 10:48:00 octavious the social command line
17 10:51:00 auchter octavious: yeah, thanks... i couldn't remember the name
17 10:53:00 octavious there is a search plugin that i use with firefox + vimperator which is a sweet combo
17 10:55:00 auchter yeah, i'll give it a try today or tomorrow
17 18:53:00 Morasique does anyone have problems with RHIT-1X under ubuntu? i get varied results during the day, but usually i lose my connection every couple minutes using the bcm43xx driver, and when i use ndiswrapper i can't connect at all. Is that a common problem, or did I set something up wrong?
17 18:54:00 tommost I haven't had disconnection problems, but I often have trouble connecting. A restart usually fixes it, though.
17 18:58:00 Morasique ok, thanks. i wasn't sure if it was a common problem, i've heard bad things about the junior NICs under linux
17 18:59:00 Morasique actually, i guess i don't know what year you are, do you have a dell?
17 18:59:00 tommost Oh, I had a freshman laptop.
17 18:59:00 Morasique ah :). i'll have to find a junior using it and see if they have issues
17 19:00:00 andy753421 Morasique: I had similar problems, it seems much better with the new b43 drivers
17 19:00:00 tommost Oh, yeah, you have the Broadcom 802.11 chipset, right?
17 19:00:00 andy753421 so in a couple weeks or so, when the 2.6.24 kernel gets released it should be better
17 19:00:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, i do
17 19:00:00 andy753421 tommost: yep, don't you do as well? just a different version, we have 4309
17 19:00:00 Morasique andy: ok, thanks, i'll live on wired until then
17 19:02:00 tommost Someone told me that we have Intel wireless and Broadcom Ethernet.
17 19:02:00 tommost (Wasn't that you?)
17 19:02:00 tommost (Auchter?)
17 19:02:00 andy753421 tommost: I know auchter has a broadcom, i think it's a 4312 maybe?
17 19:03:00 tommost I dunno. I'd check, but....
17 19:08:00 auchter yeah, we have a bcm4312
17 19:08:00 auchter some nw8440s have intel wireless though
17 19:08:00 auchter but i'm not sure if any laptops bought by rose do
17 19:15:00 tommost I guess that that explains my confusion. I wonder who told me about the Intel chipset?
17 21:43:00 Morasique does anyone know how to add the CS lab printers to CUPS? I tried using socket://f{217,225}-ps.printer.rose-hulman.edu, but it didn't work
17 22:21:00 andy753421 Morasique: cs dept uses a different naming convention:
17 22:21:00 andy753421 cslaser<room>.cs.rose-hulman.edu
17 22:21:00 andy753421 http://www.cs.rose-hulman.edu//index.php?id=35,54,0,0,1,0
17 22:22:00 Morasique excellent. thanks
18 01:38:00 octavious auchter: you check out yubnub
18 01:50:00 auchter not yet, working on studying for OS
18 02:11:00 auchter is angel being extremely (read: unusably) slow for anyone else?
18 02:11:00 andy753421 nope, not on campus
18 02:11:00 tommost Yeah, it works fine for me.
18 02:12:00 auchter heh, strange.
18 02:17:00 Zeta_RHIT had some problems with that last year, but none recently
18 13:30:00 tommost Has anyone had issues with quirky audio in Flash Player 9?
18 13:31:00 povilusr anyone else having a problem wtih luinx matlab rendering the menus? or rather the lack ther of
18 13:31:00 auchter povilusr: http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Matlab
18 13:31:00 auchter tommost: what do you mean by "quirky?"
18 13:32:00 tommost Blips and distortions. I'm watching one of the ECE130 videos on Angel.
18 13:33:00 auchter no, i've never had that problem
18 17:20:00 auchter andy753421: how's the ubuntu install on the machine in the lab going?
18 17:36:00 TheRoot auchter: are you asking about that dual monitor box that has fedora on it?
18 17:38:00 auchter yeah
18 17:38:00 auchter andy was in the process of installing ubuntu on it, but i wasn't sure how far he got or what needs to be done yet
18 17:45:00 TheRoot well, he's not over there right now, but the box is still booting fedora.
18 17:49:00 auchtemm so, this irc client i'm using is 216 lines long...
18 17:49:00 auchtemm from acme in plan9, it's actually pretty cool.
18 17:52:00 Zeta_RHIT points out that a quad-core with 4GB ram doesn't quite require that kind of compactness
18 17:52:00 Zeta_RHIT even a emacs is small in today's age
18 17:52:00 Zeta_RHIT :)
18 17:52:00 auchtemm well, this is in a virtual machine on my laptop
18 17:52:00 Zeta_RHIT I suspect the startup time would be non-noticable reguardless
18 17:52:00 Zeta_RHIT ah, okay
18 17:53:00 auchtemm it's just cool that a full irc client can be done in ~200 lines
18 17:53:00 Zeta_RHIT I'm trying to swap all of my windows only activities to a virtual machine
18 17:53:00 Zeta_RHIT aka. class crap
18 17:53:00 auchtemm and i'm trying to justify buying hardware to run plan9 on to get off of virtual machines
18 17:53:00 auchtemm but i agree with the class work in a vm
18 17:53:00 auchtemm luckily i haven't yet needed to use windows for class
18 17:53:00 Zeta_RHIT ever since eve came out with a linux client, I've wanted to finish the swapover
18 17:53:00 Zeta_RHIT hate you...
18 17:54:00 Zeta_RHIT cpe needs a lot of windows based programs
18 17:54:00 Zeta_RHIT since pspice is still fucked
18 17:54:00 auchtemm yeah, but at this point it seems like i'm pretending to be a cs
18 17:54:00 auchtemm josh was going to look into free alternatives to pspice
18 17:54:00 Zeta_RHIT labview *shudder*
18 17:54:00 auchtemm ts1.rose-hulman.edu would work for that...
18 17:55:00 Zeta_RHIT I don't want labview for linux :(
18 17:55:00 Zeta_RHIT I don't even want it for windows
18 17:55:00 Zeta_RHIT Well I also want a local copy is the thing
18 17:55:00 auchtemm i must admit that i've never used labview
18 17:55:00 auchtemm what classes do you use it for?
18 17:55:00 Zeta_RHIT I like to not rely on internet connectivity
18 17:55:00 Zeta_RHIT ECE380
18 17:55:00 Zeta_RHIT discrete time and cont systems
18 17:56:00 auchtemm sounds fun...
18 17:56:00 Zeta_RHIT It was made by someone who thought visual basic was the king of all programming
18 17:56:00 Zeta_RHIT so they took it one step further and made the complicated dsp backend also in gui form
18 17:57:00 Zeta_RHIT It makes matlab's array indexing at 1 look trivial
18 17:57:00 auchtemm wait, are you saying visual basic isn't the best programming language ever?
18 17:57:00 Zeta_RHIT stabs you in the eyes
18 17:57:00 Zeta_RHIT c and assembly, thanks :)
18 17:58:00 auchtemm i haven't really done any assembly, but i agree with C
18 17:58:00 auchtemm i was hitting my head against my desk for a half hour the other day trying to do something in java that would have been trivial with pointers
18 17:59:00 auchtemm actually, it's just as trivial in java, just crazy in the way it's implemented
18 18:22:00 tommost Does LoggerPro work under Wine by any chance? I'm not looking to do logging, just open some data files.
18 18:37:00 octavious hmm pspice
18 18:37:00 octavious there is ngspice
18 18:37:00 octavious but the models given for the ECE classes arent compatible
18 23:34:00 andy753421 reads the log
18 23:34:00 andy753421 tommost: the ECE130/ES203 videos are just screwy
18 23:35:00 andy753421 auchter/auchtemm: I stopped by the lab a bit earlier today and it should be working now
18 23:36:00 andy753421 it was having some stupid problems where when I edit the config files to work with kerberos/afs/ldap it worked fine, but then when I rebooted everything died
18 23:37:00 andy753421 it was a nss_ldap problem, and I think what was happening was that it was breaking udev somehow
18 23:38:00 andy753421 good old ubuntu support, not telling you why anything is breaking: "BUG ALERT: Make sure /etc/libnss-ldap.conf has "bind_policy soft". If it's not there, a nasty bug with udev can arise at boot-time. You should probably also make this change in /etc/pam_ldap.conf."
18 23:38:00 andy753421 but yea, it seems to be working now, i haven't installed much course related software yet though
18 23:42:00 auchter andy753421: cool. i'll probably install vmware on it at some point so we can virtualize the windows installation
18 23:42:00 auchter and i talked to curt today about the mac in the lab and asked him if they had planned on getting kerberos login going on it
18 23:43:00 andy753421 auchter: ok, i think i'm going to work on writing a HOWTO_Set up a public machine
18 23:43:00 auchter ok
18 23:43:00 auchter i'm going to email mcleish sometime and ask him about getting kerberos on the mac
18 23:43:00 auchter since it would kind of be nice to be able to ssh into it
18 23:43:00 andy753421 what did curt say?
18 23:44:00 auchtemm he said he thought it was a good idea, but he had struggled with kerberos under os x before
18 23:44:00 auchtemm but he said between mcleish and him they should be able to get it working
18 23:44:00 andy753421 alright, i don't suppose it uses PAM..
18 23:45:00 auchtemm hah, probably not
18 23:45:00 auchtemm the hostname of that machine is mac1.cs.rose-hulman.edu
18 23:45:00 auchtemm however, i'm not sure of the account details...
18 23:54:00 auchter so apparently plugging a microsoft mouse into my laptop causes everything to die
18 23:54:00 andy753421 haha, they work fine for me, is it a strange/crazy mouse or the normal rose one?
18 23:55:00 auchter normal rose one, i've used them just fine before, but it crashed my machine just a minute ago
18 23:55:00 auchter seems to work fine now though
19 02:08:00 auchtemm so, i'm having an annoying problem that i can't quite figure out
19 02:08:00 auchtemm i'm modifying diri, the wiki that i use on my website, to commit to svn instead of make full copies of each file
19 02:09:00 auchtemm however, the svn add and svn commit commands give no output, and don't actually add or commit
19 02:10:00 andy753421 web server write permissions?
19 02:10:00 auchtemm it's running as www, all files in the directory are owned by www
19 02:10:00 auchtemm the commands run fine when i su www and run them, it just seems to happen in the script itself
19 02:10:00 andy753421 what about the repo directory?
19 02:10:00 andy753421 oh, ok
19 02:10:00 andy753421 can you post the script?
19 02:11:00 andy753421 script/diri source
19 02:12:00 auchtemm http://freya.phire.org/save.txt
19 02:13:00 auchtemm log just gets newlines, no actual output from svn
19 02:13:00 auchtemm and no commits occur, either
19 02:13:00 auchtemm relevant lines are at the very bottom, by the way
19 02:14:00 andy753421 try adding 2>&1 after the svnadd/svncom commands
19 02:14:00 andy753421 assuming rc does redirects the same as sh
19 02:15:00 auchtemm it doesn't, but i'll redirect stderr to stdout
19 02:15:00 andy753421 ok
19 02:18:00 auchter ah, well, that helps.
19 02:25:00 auchter so, for some reason it says: svn: Can't open file '/var/www/htdocs/.svn/entries': No such file or directory
19 02:25:00 auchter when the path specified is /var/www/htdocs/diri
19 02:27:00 andy753421 where does DIRIDIR get assigned?
19 02:27:00 auchter in /etc/dirirc
19 02:28:00 auchter my log file says: /usr/bin/svn commit /var/www/htdocs/diri --username diri --password dirisvn -m "Automatic Commit"
19 02:29:00 Morasique auchter: i think it's trying to edit the .svn files in stored in .svn and can't find them, like if the folder isn't under version control
19 02:29:00 auchter ah, may have found the problem...
19 02:29:00 auchter alright, so apparently running that command from rc, you need to be in the directory of the repository
19 02:30:00 andy753421 does it do that if you use interactive rc?
19 02:30:00 auchter yup, same error
19 02:30:00 andy753421 strange, but with bash the same command works?
19 02:30:00 auchter yeah, it does. it's pretty weird
19 02:36:00 auchter ok, apparently it's more strict about the ordering of arguments under rc
19 02:40:00 auchter ok, works great now.
19 02:40:00 auchter additionally, rc's redirection make much more sense to me than bash's
19 02:40:00 andy753421 i'm reading the PDF on rc now,
19 02:41:00 andy753421 i like the argument lists quite a bit, seems like it will take a lot of the paint out of quoting things correctly
19 02:41:00 auchter yeah
19 02:41:00 andy753421 how does redirection work, I haven't got to that part yet?
19 02:41:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/save.txt
19 02:41:00 auchter you can see an example there
19 02:42:00 auchter anyway, i'm going to sleep now
19 02:42:00 andy753421 hmm.. it's a lot prettier, but I'll have to keep reading, it doesn't seem as general from that example
19 02:43:00 andy753421 heh, next section '20. Advanced I/O Redirection', how convenient
19 02:45:00 auchter yeah, the thing that's keeping me from using rc right now is the lack of tab completion
19 02:46:00 auchter but chording under plan9 makes it unnecessary
19 02:46:00 andy753421 chording?
19 02:46:00 auchter using multiple mouse buttons at once
19 02:46:00 andy753421 yea, i don't think i would switch away from zsh as an interactive shell anytime soon, but for scripting I might start using it
19 02:46:00 andy753421 oh, ok
19 02:47:00 auchter so highlight something with button 1, then click the command you want to execute with button 2, then with button 2 still pressed, click button 1
19 02:47:00 auchter then it executes that command with the argument from the first highlighted selection
19 02:47:00 auchter it's really neat
19 02:47:00 andy753421 nice, now i only need a three button mouse :)
19 02:47:00 auchter anyway, i'm really leaving now, i was planning on sleeping 45 minutes ago
19 02:47:00 andy753421 ok, 'night
19 02:55:00 shadghost night
19 02:55:00 shadghost it is only 11
19 02:56:00 andy753421 psh, it's 07:56 by /real/ time
19 02:56:00 shadghost no 10:57 real time
19 02:57:00 andy753421 shadghost: how do you figure?
19 02:57:00 shadghost ok where i am it is 10:57 pm
19 02:57:00 shadghost finals have been messing with my brains
19 02:57:00 andy753421 fair enough
19 02:58:00 shadghost have a good night
19 03:04:00 auchter hm, i wish i could actually sleep.
19 03:04:00 auchter shadghost: alaska, eh? what brings you to this room?
19 03:05:00 shadghost people
19 03:05:00 shadghost from Alaska
19 03:06:00 andy753421 any association with Rose?
19 03:06:00 shadghost 1st year
19 03:06:00 auchter i think i know a rose student who is from alaska who also comes in here
19 03:06:00 shadghost un?
19 03:08:00 shadghost kleinjt
19 03:09:00 shadghost small group of people in here
19 03:11:00 andy753421 eh, i think most people are alseep, but we generally dont get much more than 10-15 people in here at a time anyway
19 03:12:00 shadghost at UAF we have #modzer0 (it is not about the Linux user group, but that is where we hang out) we have a low of 29
19 03:17:00 andy753421 how many people got to UAF?
19 03:18:00 andy753421 Rose has ~2000 and the LUG was just started this year so i've been pretty happy with ~10-15 people so far
19 03:25:00 shadghost 9.2k
19 03:25:00 shadghost 9.6k sorry
19 03:27:00 shadghost but it is everything from culinary arts to electrical enegnearing
19 03:27:00 andy753421 ah, that's a good point, we probably have a larger percentage of nerds
19 03:39:00 shadghost pidgin crashed
19 03:44:00 andy753421 heh, did you get a backtrace?
19 03:48:00 shadghost ?
19 03:50:00 andy753421 shadghost: how did it crash? http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GetABacktrace
19 03:52:00 shadghost right now i am on windows, and i need to install debug version, and I don't think i can reproduce the error
19 03:52:00 andy753421 :) alright then
19 03:52:00 shadghost so i am not going to get the de-bug version
19 03:55:00 shadghost WOOT only one more final tell i am free for 31 days
19 03:55:00 andy753421 :/ ah the advantages to semester based schools
19 03:55:00 shadghost not semester there?
19 03:56:00 andy753421 nope, we go by quarters (or seasons) so there's generally three a year
19 03:56:00 andy753421 and our winter break is only ~2 weeks
19 03:57:00 andy753421 21st till the 8th
19 03:57:00 andy753421 we get more other breaks though, so it evens out
19 04:01:00 octavious heh
19 04:04:00 octavious what was the ts servers
19 04:04:00 octavious were*
19 04:05:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Public_Machines
19 04:05:00 andy753421 ts[123].rose-hulman.edu
19 04:12:00 shadghost_is wow this is strange
19 04:16:00 shadghost wow what was that
19 04:17:00 shadghost major lag
19 04:36:00 octavious yay netsplit
19 05:37:00 shadghost_is just lag
19 05:38:00 shadghost_is i can explain it, but it would be a bit
19 07:41:00 tommost The XP image I made on my laptop is refusing to boot on my desktop, using Qemu both places. The only difference seems to be the lack of CPU extensions on my desktop. Has anyone else come across this problem?
19 12:47:00 kleinjt I just checked the IRC logs, sorry about shadghost, he followed me here :/
19 13:48:00 auchter andy753421: ubuntu's working much better than fedora
19 13:49:00 auchter scrolling in firefox doesn't bring this machine to a halt anymore
19 13:50:00 andy753421 heh, that's good
19 13:50:00 andy753421 i think i might install it on the other lab computer today
19 13:50:00 andy753421 and write/fix the public machine howto while doing so
19 13:52:00 shadghost_is morning
19 13:59:00 andy753421 auchter: do you know if there's a port of rc to linux other than from plan9port?
19 14:03:00 auchter andy753421: not sure, why?
19 14:03:00 auchter and gnome still doesn't work, so i installed pekwm
19 14:04:00 andy753421 I would install it, but I don't really want all of plan9port at the moment
19 14:04:00 auchter p9p's not all that large...
19 14:05:00 andy753421 ok, i rember installing it a while back and it overrode all my man pages, but I suppose there's a way to fix that
19 14:09:00 auchter gah, my code fails to link on addiator.
19 14:09:00 auchter i blame 64-bittedness
19 14:09:00 andy753421 phantom is 64 bit as well..
19 14:10:00 auchter well, phantom's still complaining about readline not existing
19 14:10:00 andy753421 did you -lreadline?
19 14:10:00 auchter of course
19 14:10:00 andy753421 hm.. i think i may have had a similar problem once
19 14:10:00 auchter /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/3.4.6/../../../../lib64/libreadline.so: undefined reference to `tgetnum'
19 14:10:00 auchter except i get 8 or so, and the last part is different for each
19 14:11:00 andy753421 auchter: -lcurses
19 14:12:00 auchter heh, makes perfect sense to me...
19 14:13:00 auchter additionally, do you know how to make this damn thing stop beeping at me whenever a console bell occurs?
19 14:14:00 andy753421 disable kernel support for the PC speaker? that's what I do :)
19 14:14:00 tommost On Ubuntu?
19 14:14:00 auchter tommost: yes
19 14:14:00 andy753421 but in the short term, 'xset -b' i i think will work
19 14:14:00 auchter ah, awesome.
19 14:14:00 tommost It's in one of the Preferences panels.
19 14:14:00 andy753421 not sure about from a terminal though
19 14:14:00 tommost "Visual bell" is the name of the checkbox, I think.
19 14:15:00 auchter tommost: i'm not using gnome though, which is a slight difficulty
19 14:15:00 andy753421 auchter: you may also want a '-m64' gcc flag, not sure if you're using that yet or not
19 14:15:00 auchter i'm not, but it compiles and runs fine
19 14:15:00 andy753421 ok
19 14:15:00 tommost System -> Preferences -> Sound
19 14:15:00 tommost Select the "System Beep" tab.
19 14:32:00 auchter so, any recommendations for something like strtok that doesn't suck?
19 14:39:00 octavious auchter: pcre?
19 14:40:00 tommost By using Xterm and SSH on my Nokia 770 I can run Firefox. Sweet.
19 14:40:00 andy753421 octavious: have you used pcre?
19 14:40:00 crr auchter: what are you trying to achieve?
19 14:40:00 octavious nope. just an idea. a hefty dependency though
19 14:40:00 andy753421 and a hefty man page as well :)
19 14:41:00 quark are you talking about pcre in C?
19 14:41:00 auchter regexs are a bit overkill for just splitting up a string
19 14:42:00 andy753421 auchter: what's wrong with strtok?
19 14:42:00 crr andy: everything (even the man page says not to use it)
19 14:42:00 auchter well, it recommends strtok_r()
19 14:42:00 auchter i just really don't like the way it works...
19 14:43:00 crr I'd just use a simple loop
19 14:43:00 auchter ah, upon reading the man page again, it even recommends against strtok_r
19 14:43:00 andy753421 strchr?
19 14:43:00 auchter andy753421: perfect, forgot about that
19 14:44:00 crr char *p, *last;
19 14:44:00 crr while (
19 14:44:00 crr whoops
19 14:45:00 auchter meh, strchr and a loop isn't actually much better than strtok
19 14:45:00 andy753421 there's probably a g_str... if you want to pull in glib dependencies
19 14:45:00 auchter i was considering it, but then decided against using it
19 14:46:00 crr char *p, *last;
19 14:46:00 crr last = str;
19 14:46:00 crr while (*p){
19 14:46:00 crr if (*p == ' ') {
19 14:46:00 crr process(last, p - last);
19 14:46:00 crr last = p + 1;
19 14:46:00 crr }
19 14:46:00 crr p++;
19 14:46:00 crr }
19 14:46:00 crr process would take in a char * and a length, of course
19 14:47:00 crr and there might be minor issues I didn't take into account
19 14:49:00 andy753421 *looks back at my code*
19 14:50:00 andy753421 i wrote my own strtok so I could return both argv and argc at the same time
19 14:51:00 auchter heh, that's just what i started to so... we're even using the same variable names, haha
19 14:51:00 auchter s/so/do/
19 14:57:00 andy753421 so there's this really neat thing I realized you can do last year when I was working on the fat project
19 14:57:00 auchter yeah?
19 14:58:00 andy753421 using shared libraries you can make a 'shell' to execute commands from them
19 14:58:00 andy753421 i.e. you would type
19 14:58:00 andy753421 $ m::pow(2, 4); and it would open up libm.so and run pow(2,4) and print out the result
19 14:59:00 auchter heh, that's pretty cool
19 15:34:00 shadghost kleinjt: coming home for winter break?
19 16:18:00 andy753421 shudders at the though of Alaska in the winter
19 16:18:00 andy753421 *thought
19 16:25:00 auchter it's 37 degrees here, which is about 30 degrees colder than it would be in a sane climate
19 16:25:00 auchter i definitely want to move somewhere where the lowest it gets is 60 degrees, and the warmest it gets is 80 degrees
19 16:26:00 octavious do such places exist?
19 16:28:00 auchter probably not, but i can dream
19 16:30:00 octavious i want to live in Austin, TX
19 16:30:00 octavious that place is pretty freakin awesome
19 16:31:00 auchter i've never been there, but i'm sure the temperatures would at least be more tolerable than here
19 16:32:00 octavious in winter in austin it is in the high 60s to 70s
19 16:32:00 auchter hm, i like what i hear...
19 16:33:00 shadghost #weather 99775
19 16:33:00 shadghost it is not that bad
19 16:33:00 shadghost (12:34:12 PM) rufis_: Weather info for Fairbanks, Alaska (updated on 12:14 PM AKST on December 19, 2007); Temperature: -38 F / -39 C; Humidity: N/A%; Wind: North at 0 mph / 0 km/h; Pressure: 29.79 in / 1009 hPa (Falling); Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Visibility: 1.5 miles / 2.4 kilometers; UV: 0 out of 16; Clouds: Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 500 ft / 152 m Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 1000 ft / 304 m Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 3000 ft / 914 m; Yesterday's Maximum: -
19 16:33:00 shadghost (12:34:12 PM) rufis_: Yesterday's Minimum: -36 F / -37 C approx.; Yesterday's Heating Degree Days: 94 approx.; Sunrise: 10:57 AM AKST; Sunset: 2:40 PM AKST; Moon Rise: 12:20 PM AKST; Moon Set: 4:30 AM AKST; Moon Phase: Waxing Gibbous
19 16:34:00 shadghost only -39 f
19 16:34:00 shadghost and you all need to program yourself a bot
19 16:35:00 andy753421 shadghost: we have a bot (luglog) but all it does is log stuff
19 16:36:00 shadghost #weather is a good ieda for a bot
19 16:38:00 andy753421 grrr. csse120 needs to start teaching the evils of running eval() on every possible input
19 16:38:00 shadghost anyways, time for last final, c ya all
19 16:38:00 andy753421 later
19 16:38:00 octavious andy753421: you a grader?
19 16:38:00 andy753421 octavious: yep
19 16:38:00 auchter andy753421: honestly, for most assignments i just don't care
19 16:39:00 auchter if they made it part of the rubric, i'd do it
19 16:39:00 auchter but most of my code, especially in 332 for project 1, is horrible
19 16:39:00 auchter now for the shell i'm writing, it's actually pretty good
19 16:40:00 andy753421 auchter: yea, i don't mind sloppy code so much, but calling eval() just to parse a string to an int is just plain stupid
19 16:40:00 andy753421 especially when you could just type int() and its a character shorter
19 16:41:00 auchter yeah, i suppose
19 16:41:00 tommost Wait, this is Python? WTF. How did they even learn that the eval() function exists? I wasn't aware of it until I read the builtins documentation.
19 16:41:00 tommost Nobody ever uses it.
19 16:42:00 tommost Or the equivalent statement.
19 16:42:00 kleinjt As somebody in CSSE120, we haven't had any instruction or motivation to make our programs efficient. On my last assignment I used recursion for fun.
19 16:42:00 andy753421 tommost: equivalent statement?
19 16:43:00 andy753421 kleinjt: yea, efficiency bothers me only slightly, (i'm grading the graph function right now) so it takes about 3 seconds to run when using eval(), and about 0.5 when using float()/int()
19 16:44:00 tommost It's "exec" or something. I can't recall; I've never used it. The only reason that I know about it is because they are removing one of them in Python 3000.
19 16:44:00 andy753421 what's annoying though is that they don't tell you about the security problems with running eval everywhere
19 16:44:00 kleinjt Anyways, we were herded into the habit of using raw_input for everything, so using eval is a natural progression of that.
19 16:44:00 andy753421 kleinjt: why did they want you to use raw_input anyway?
19 16:44:00 kleinjt Or, at least, that was the solution they taught us
19 16:45:00 andy753421 tommost: it also pisses me off that input() automatically calls eval()..
19 16:45:00 andy753421 tommost: that's just asking for security holes
19 16:45:00 tommost That's what raw_input() is for.
19 16:45:00 tommost I've never used input().
19 16:46:00 kleinjt On one of the first days of class we learned that we could input strings without quotation marks with raw_input, and we were never told not to use it for everything else
19 16:46:00 tommost WTF.
19 16:46:00 tommost You shouldn't even be told about input().
19 16:47:00 tommost Learning about it should be a reward for reading the docs.
19 16:47:00 andy753421 tommost: no, you should be told that it is evil, that way people don't go 'hey, input() looks easy, i'll use that'
19 16:47:00 andy753421 /rant
19 16:48:00 andy753421 $ sed -i 's/<eval/float(/' */*.py
19 16:48:00 andy753421 er, eval(
19 16:52:00 kleinjt I just replaced eval with float on my funcPlot program, and it didn't really make a difference with speed.
19 16:53:00 kleinjt Maybe my program is bottlenecked somewhere else..
19 16:53:00 andy753421 kleinjt: how long does it take to run?
19 16:53:00 andy753421 i'm also running on linux so that might make a differnce
19 16:55:00 kleinjt it took 7.5 seconds to plot sin with both eval and float
19 16:57:00 andy753421 kleinjt: oh, you did it the smart way and drew lines
19 16:58:00 kleinjt yeah
19 16:58:00 andy753421 everyone else just did dot plots
19 16:58:00 kleinjt I was about to mention that
19 17:00:00 andy753421 kleinjt: for me, it take <1s with float, and ~6s with eval
19 17:01:00 kleinjt andy753421: I switched it over to point plot and it still takes around seven seconds to plot with float.
19 17:02:00 andy753421 kleinjt: hm, this is in eclipse on windows?
19 17:02:00 kleinjt nope
19 17:02:00 andy753421 hmm..
19 17:02:00 andy753421 are you running it strait from the terminal?
19 17:02:00 kleinjt Nope, that is a good idea though.
19 17:03:00 kleinjt I'm running eclipse on Linux, with about 1 gb of memory usage...
19 17:03:00 auchter wow.
19 17:03:00 kleinjt I don't think all of that is eclipse
19 17:03:00 andy753421 also, is zellegraphics in /usr/lib/python???/site-functions, or the current directory
19 17:03:00 auchter i would hope not...
19 17:03:00 kleinjt but still, yeah, something is bloated
19 17:04:00 kleinjt /usr/lib....
19 17:04:00 auchter auchtemm@skaldi ~ $ free | sed 2q total used free shared buffers cached
19 17:04:00 auchter Mem: 1033204 568428 464776 0 17384 374332
19 17:04:00 auchter that's with eclipse, firefox,thunderbird, sunbird, etc...
19 17:05:00 kleinjt I bet you aren't running Ubuntu with gnome..
19 17:05:00 auchter probably not, actually
19 17:06:00 kleinjt I'm going to fix that over break, I haven't had the time to tweak another Linux distro into working this quarter
19 17:06:00 kleinjt The newest NetBSD release supports the wireless chipset in the freshman laptops, I'm going to try that out
19 17:06:00 andy753421 auchter: those number are a bit misleading though
19 17:07:00 andy753421 auchter: I think they include IO buffers/disk cache and such
19 17:07:00 andy753421 which /should/ expand to take up all the memory over time
19 17:07:00 auchter the last two columns are buffers and cache
19 17:07:00 andy753421 .. good point
19 17:08:00 auchter kleinjt: no fglrx support for netbsd, though
19 17:09:00 kleinjt auchter: yeah, but I'm using fglrx for much at the moment anyways
19 17:10:00 kleinjt anyways, I'm going to dinner.
19 17:11:00 kleinjt again feel free to kick/ban shadghost if he gets annoying, sorry that I was followed in :/
19 18:09:00 rr72_ still waiting for my letter, been 3 weeks
19 18:16:00 kleinjt letter?
19 19:21:00 rr72 acceptance
19 19:23:00 shadghost kleinjt: you are so kind
19 19:30:00 octavious cute
19 19:31:00 kleinjt shadghost: :P
19 19:32:00 andy753421 heheh
19 19:32:00 kleinjt wait.. wiat?
19 19:32:00 kleinjt sweet
19 19:33:00 shadghost ratictal
19 19:33:00 shadghost now i know i should not ask this but why?
19 19:34:00 auchter i like where this is going
19 19:35:00 shadghost i guess i can't give kleinjt op, it revoked mine when i tryed
19 19:36:00 kleinjt that ended a lot cleaner than I thought it would
19 19:37:00 auchter now that was a delicious dinner.
19 19:37:00 shadghost like i am going to try and piss off a channel that i have been in for less then 24 hours
19 19:39:00 rr72 auchter~ lol
19 19:39:00 shadghost =P i guess Alaska is just that cool
19 19:40:00 rr72 so waiting for andy to just del everyone off access list lmao
19 19:40:00 kleinjt cooling is less of an issue, yeha
19 19:41:00 shadghost yeach, it was -50 f when i got up, just think of the overclocking with just air cooling at that temp
19 19:42:00 auchter think of the condensation
19 19:43:00 shadghost none, cold=dry
19 19:43:00 shadghost dry=more static electricity
19 19:44:00 shadghost static electricity=bad for working inside computers
19 19:44:00 shadghost therefore cold=bad for working inside computers
19 19:45:00 kleinjt by your logic, dry = 'bad for working inside computers', but I've always been told not to spill water on my computers.
19 19:46:00 shadghost i have been also told to keep computer cold, so ya... i need to revise that logic
19 19:46:00 shadghost but the water is only bad if it is on
19 19:46:00 shadghost you will not be working inside a live computer
19 19:56:00 auchter so, any presentations planned for tomorrow?
19 19:58:00 andy753421 auchter: I'm not sure if anyone planning anything
19 20:01:00 auchter weak.
19 20:04:00 andy753421 we need to have people sign up to do that at the beginning of the meetings so we don't forget
19 20:05:00 auchter yeah
19 20:27:00 Blazeix hey auchter, do you know if anyone sent chidanandan a group email for OS?
19 20:34:00 auchter Blazeix: i haven't
19 20:34:00 auchter but our shell is pretty damn amazing so far, haha
19 20:35:00 andy753421 auchter: you should send me the code for that, i'd like to look at it some time
19 20:36:00 auchter andy753421: the code itself is pretty messy right now
19 20:36:00 andy753421 auchter: eh, ok
19 20:38:00 Blazeix auchter, yeah, boland, told me about it, it sounds cool.
19 20:38:00 auchter yeah, it's even cooler now
19 20:38:00 Blazeix I'll go ahead and send chidanandan an email
19 20:38:00 auchter alright
19 20:38:00 Blazeix I heard about the up arrow history, and tab completion.
19 20:39:00 andy753421 What? Segfault on ^D?
19 20:40:00 octavious su segfaults on failed pw
19 20:40:00 octavious its pretty cool
19 20:40:00 andy753421 octavious: on purpose?
19 20:40:00 auchter andy753421: haha, yeah, i noticed that
19 20:41:00 auchter andy753421: i haven't bothered looking into it though
19 20:41:00 auchter i need to study for 230, but this is more fun
19 20:47:00 octavious andy753421: probably another issue with oscillation
19 20:47:00 octavious woops
19 20:47:00 octavious optimization
19 20:47:00 octavious heh
19 20:47:00 auchter you and your crazy -O3
19 20:47:00 octavious i turn 21 in like 3 hours
19 20:47:00 octavious not relevant to anything
19 20:47:00 andy753421 psh, -O3 just makes binaries load slower
19 20:48:00 auchter i turn 21 in, uh, two years.
19 20:48:00 octavious we've already had this discussion :S
19 20:48:00 andy753421 yea.. probably
19 20:48:00 andy753421 -vomit-frame-pointer :)
19 20:48:00 auchter andy753421: haha, that's how i read it.
19 21:35:00 auchter yeah, i really need to buy an espresso machine.
19 21:35:00 auchter this coffee ground place has sub-par espresso
19 21:37:00 auchter actually what i want to do is hook an espresso machine up to a box running linux
19 21:37:00 auchter that way i can ssh in, turn it on, and have it up to temperature when i want to pull a shot
19 21:37:00 auchter thermocouple + ssr would do the trick for regulation... code would be pretty simple
19 21:50:00 shadghost i have one question
19 21:50:00 shadghost why did kleinjt and i get ops
19 21:51:00 andy753421 i wanted to see who would get kicked first
19 21:51:00 shadghost lol
19 21:51:00 andy753421 but apparently kleinjt just kicked himself
19 21:51:00 shadghost i can't kick a fellow stellerite
19 22:02:00 shadghost hi
19 22:08:00 rr72 hey
19 22:09:00 rr72 lmao i am ssh into a machine just so i can use python interp as a calculator
19 22:09:00 rr72 why one may ask? BECAUSE I CAN!
19 22:09:00 rr72 V=?4/3*pi*rrr
19 22:25:00 rr72 oh yeah thats right btw
19 22:32:00 auchter andy753421: the public machine page is pretty interesting
19 22:34:00 auchter over break i plan on making some more contributions to the wiki
19 22:40:00 andy753421 auchter: cool, i need to update that page though, it's terribly written and totally untested
19 22:43:00 auchter yeah, i had started to write some things, but forgot about them and never finished
19 22:43:00 auchter i like the style of that page (and the ubuntu install guide as well)
19 22:43:00 auchter makes it very readable and not just a pure blob of text
19 22:44:00 andy753421 yea, i stole that idea from the gentoo handbook
19 22:44:00 auchter heh, whatever works
19 22:44:00 rr72 i greatly dislike gentoo
19 22:44:00 andy753421 but having to put <nowiki> tags around all the {{guide}} things is annoying
19 22:45:00 andy753421 rr72: how come?
19 22:45:00 rr72 personel prefrences
19 22:45:00 rr72 damn related rates
19 22:45:00 rr72 easy as hell
19 22:46:00 auchter maple has wrecked my mind
19 22:46:00 rr72 auchter~ why?
19 22:46:00 auchter i saw a very easy de today that i would have been able to do in my head instantly this time last year
19 22:46:00 auchter now, i would require paper and pencil and time
19 22:46:00 rr72 is maple the free thing or the one that they give you there, er you get with the laptops i mean
19 22:46:00 auchter it's non-free, they supply it
19 22:47:00 rr72 whats the free oss one? i got it but forgot the name lol
19 22:47:00 rr72 took forever to compile too
19 22:47:00 auchter SAGE
19 22:47:00 rr72 ah
19 22:47:00 rr72 yeah
19 22:47:00 rr72 maple sage oak blah
19 22:48:00 auchter pine spruce, ad infinitum
19 22:48:00 Morasique andy753421: can you put the nowiki tags in the guide template instead?
19 22:50:00 andy753421 Morasique: nope, you have to use {{{1}}} to insert the text supplied to the template, and wrapping it in nowiki breaks the {{{1}}} substitution
19 22:50:00 rr72 balsa
20 00:36:00 auchter does sed have character classes like perl?
20 00:37:00 auchter [1234567890] is a bit more tedious than [:digit:]
20 00:38:00 andy753421 auchter: [0-9]
20 00:40:00 auchter andy753421: awesome
20 00:40:00 auchter either that wasn't in the man page, or i completely skipped over it
20 00:40:00 andy753421 auchter: which man page?
20 00:41:00 auchter for sed
20 00:46:00 andy753421 ok, i swear gnu sed supports [:digit:] but I cant for the life of me figure out how to get it to work
20 00:46:00 crr it actually doesn't mention it in the sed man pages
20 00:47:00 crr doesn't matter - sed uses the same REs as grep
20 00:47:00 andy753421 crr: tha's because it's gnu, and they don't put much in man pages
20 00:47:00 crr god damn info docs
20 00:47:00 auchter stupid info.
20 00:48:00 crr at some point I should probably save myself some hassle and write ~3 lines of perl to do sed & grep
20 00:49:00 crr so that they'd finally have Perl REs
20 00:49:00 crr I don't like Perl, but the REs are much better
20 00:51:00 Morasique crr: pcregrep is grep with perl REs
20 08:24:00 shadghost hi
20 18:03:00 Morasique i hear baty screaming a lot during this meeting
20 20:12:00 octavious sorry i wasnt at the meeting today
20 20:20:00 octavious had to recover from last night
20 20:44:00 auchter octavious: not a big deal, with all the yelling that went on it probably would have hurt your recovery
20 21:21:00 auchter so, vmware player is making me made on phantom.cs
20 21:21:00 auchter it complains about not being able to find libX11, which is definitely installed
20 21:22:00 auchter an strace shows that for some reason, it's looking everywhere except the most obvious of locations: /usr/lib
20 21:22:00 auchter any ideas on this?
20 21:25:00 auchter andy753421: did you see the past three messages i sent to the channel before you timed out?
20 21:26:00 Morasique auchter: i'm not sure why it won't look there, but can you just add a link somewhere it is looking?
20 21:26:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, i could, but it seems awfully hackish to do so
20 21:27:00 andy753421 auchter: nope, i feel asleep on the couch with my laptop running on battery
20 21:27:00 andy753421 i'll check the log
20 21:28:00 Morasique auchter: i found a post about the same problem, he ended up removing the 64 bit version of vmware and using the 32 bit one, which doesn't seem to have the same issue
20 21:28:00 auchter Morasique: ah, i didn't see that one. I don't think i'd be able to do that since the installed copy of windows is 64-bi
20 21:29:00 auchter t
20 21:29:00 andy753421 auchter: you could run ldd on it and check what libraries it's resolving
20 21:29:00 andy753421 auchter: LD_LIBRARY_PATH/LD_PRELOAD may also work, but again, hackish
20 21:29:00 auchter it doesn't resolve five libraries, all of which are in /usr/lib
20 21:29:00 auchter LD_LIBRARY_PATH didn't work, i'll give LD_PRELOAD a try
20 21:30:00 andy753421 auchter: where's it installed to?
20 21:30:00 auchter where's what installed to?
20 21:30:00 andy753421 vmware player
20 21:30:00 auchter in it's completely non-sensible default directory: /usr/lib/vmware
20 21:32:00 andy753421 what binary are you trying to use?
20 21:32:00 auchter vmware-vmx, vmplayer calls this eventually
20 21:33:00 andy753421 oh, it's probably a problem with the fact that it's chmod o+s
20 21:33:00 auchter i have no idea what that means
20 21:33:00 andy753421 that disables LD_PRELOAD/LD_LIBRARY_PATH for security reasons
20 21:33:00 auchter ah, that helps
20 21:34:00 andy753421 when you execute vmware-vmx it will set the UID to root so you have direct access to the hardware
20 21:35:00 andy753421 and if you could use different libraries it would be bad because you could override something like libc.so with malicious code
20 21:36:00 auchter of course. so is there a way to get this to work without resorting to symlinking?
20 21:39:00 andy753421 hmm.. i don't know what's actually causing it to now allow /usr/lib/ stuff
20 21:39:00 auchter strangely enough, /usr/lib wasn't in /etc/ld.so.conf
20 21:39:00 auchter i added it and ran ldconfig a while ago and nothing changed
20 21:41:00 auchter additionally, someone just handed me a large pizza for free.
20 21:41:00 andy753421 in the lab?
20 21:41:00 auchter yeah, apparently it's from the roleplaying club
20 21:41:00 Morasique auchter: i think the standard set of directories is assumed even if it's not in ld.so.conf
20 21:41:00 andy753421 sweet, i've got a meeting there in ~20 min
20 21:41:00 auchter Morasique: ah, alright, i wasn't sure on that
20 21:42:00 Morasique andy753421: my 372 group is meeting there at 10 too, we'll fight you for it
20 21:43:00 auchter another pizza arrived with someone who i recognize, but can't remember their name
20 21:55:00 andy753421 i say screw vmware, we should use qemu/kvm
20 21:55:00 auchter yeah, but vmware is convenient for running already installed windows
20 21:55:00 andy753421 so is kvm..
20 21:55:00 auchter yeah?
20 21:55:00 andy753421 i think so
20 21:55:00 andy753421 just point it to /dev/sda
20 21:56:00 andy753421 i'm not sure if you can make it auto-boot the windows partition though, but that's the first grub entry anyway
20 21:56:00 auchter yeah, i'll give it a try
20 21:56:00 andy753421 ok, i'll be over there in a few minutes
20 22:21:00 Morasique is there a reason whoever's computer is running the logger has the wrong time?
20 22:28:00 rr72 because they want to F you up?
20 22:32:00 Morasique ah. well done then
20 22:36:00 Blazeix the computer also has the wiki on it, so the incorrect time makes it interesting when looking at wiki revisions.
20 22:38:00 Morasique is there any reason it isn't adjusted?
20 22:43:00 Morasique somebody less lazy than me should write a pidgin plugin that automatically imports the web log into pidgin's log file
20 22:43:00 Blazeix change your 374 projects on your architects, and make them do it.
20 22:43:00 Blazeix I'm pretty sure andy is the server admin, isn't he in one of the cs labs now?
20 22:45:00 Morasique he claims it is right
20 22:45:00 Morasique he's befuddled
20 22:50:00 Blazeix I have pretty reliable evidence that is server is wrong.
20 22:51:00 Blazeix err... that *the* server is wrong
20 22:51:00 Zeta_RHIT befuddled == awesome word :)
20 22:55:00 Morasique well, his argument is that UTC is the proper time to have your computer at
20 22:55:00 auchter UTC is the time.
20 22:56:00 auchter there's a reason why it's univeral coordinated
20 23:01:00 Morasique well, i don't really know the difference between all the time zone stuff, but he thinks keeping your computer at GMT+0 is good, while everyone else has GMT-5, so he's 5 hours ahead
20 23:01:00 auchter until DST, then you're -4
20 23:05:00 Morasique either way, i was trying to tell blazeix he's not confused about the server time, he just doesn't think it should be local time
20 23:10:00 Blazeix Ah, o.k., I misunderstood Morasique at first
20 23:10:00 Blazeix I can see how UTC makes sense for publicly accessable things
20 23:12:00 auchter it makes sense for everything, and i wish everyone used it ever
20 23:12:00 auchter also, 12 hour time is stupid.
21 00:29:00 tommost So, does anyone have any tips on getting a server left alone in a dorm room over the break?
21 00:31:00 auchter tommost: i left my computers there all during every break last year with no issues
21 00:31:00 tommost Last break someone unplugged everything halfway through.
21 00:31:00 tommost Of course, they were doing that power thing.
21 00:31:00 auchter put a sign up saying to not unplug anything
21 00:32:00 auchter or, here's a fun trick
21 00:32:00 auchter take some aluminum foil and wrap it around the plug
21 00:32:00 tommost Okay. And I think that I'll put the plugs behind a dresser.
21 00:32:00 auchter well, the plastic part that you grip
21 00:32:00 auchter then, solder a wire from that to the hot wire in the electrical outlet
21 00:32:00 auchter problem solved, really.
21 00:32:00 tommost That's really nasty.
21 00:32:00 tommost :-)
21 00:33:00 auchter so is unplugging a computer that doesn't belong to you
21 00:33:00 auchter an eye for an eye, as they say
21 00:42:00 Morasique tommost: i think we're losing power again this break, we got an e-mail about it at some point
21 00:43:00 tommost It's just part of campus--I don't think that Deming is affected.
21 00:43:00 Morasique ah. ok
21 01:56:00 andy753421 tommost: I put a sticky note on mine that says 'Do not unplug, this is a server' and I've never had any problems
21 02:10:00 shadghost_home lol at the power plug ieda
21 02:10:00 shadghost_home i should have tryed that
21 02:27:00 auchter also, setting your bios to auto-power on after being plugged back in is helpful as well
21 02:27:00 shadghost_home that is done for me
21 03:01:00 andy753421 Ough.. so many edits to the templates
21 03:01:00 andy753421 it sucks because you can't preview them..
21 03:08:00 auchter haha, you've completely flooded the Recent Changes page
21 03:08:00 andy753421 i know..
21 03:09:00 auchter looks pretty damn good though
21 03:09:00 auchter that font for the commands was kind of getting to me before
21 03:09:00 andy753421 yea, that was one thing, but mostly i added documentation to the templates so they will (hopefully) get more consistent use
21 03:10:00 andy753421 but whitespace really matters. so about 2/3s of those edits are me trying to fix all the whitespace issues
21 03:10:00 auchter ah, i see
21 03:10:00 auchter i'll use the templates for whatever pages i add now
21 03:10:00 auchter i'll probably be going through and updating older pages as well
21 03:11:00 andy753421 in other news, ubuntu's on the f217 lab computer, but it's got the bootup bug
21 03:11:00 andy753421 yea, some of the older pages really need editing
21 03:11:00 auchter ah
21 03:11:00 auchter yeah, i'm also going to create some templates for the Course List page and try to standardize the rankings, etc.
21 03:11:00 shadghost_home what ubuntu
21 03:11:00 shadghost_home 7.04 or 7.10
21 03:12:00 andy753421 7.10
21 03:12:00 shadghost_home ahhh, i prefer 7.04, works better on my system
21 03:13:00 auchter andy753421: i couldn't get kvm to work on phantom
21 03:13:00 andy753421 shadghost_home: 7.10 seems to work fine for us, except that funky obscure bug
21 03:13:00 andy753421 auchter: ok, i'll probably play with it some other time
21 03:13:00 auchter it's acting as though the cpu doesn't support virtualization
21 03:13:00 auchter but it definitely has the flag (svm i think)
21 03:13:00 auchter and there are no options for it in the bios
21 03:13:00 andy753421 strange, yea, i checked that too
21 03:14:00 andy753421 maybe there's a missing library or something messy about 64 bit
21 03:14:00 auchter but trying to modprobe then do a dmesg it says "kvm: disabled by bios"
21 03:14:00 andy753421 ahh, ok
21 03:14:00 shadghost_home ya, it is probaly suff i could fix, but i found wireless and moninter reslution to work better in 7.04
21 03:14:00 andy753421 maybe it needs a bios update like your laptops?
21 03:14:00 auchter the bios should be recent enough
21 03:14:00 auchter i mean, the cpu's an x2 5200+
21 03:15:00 andy753421 yea..
21 03:15:00 shadghost_home hopes he gets a Eee for x-mus
21 03:15:00 auchter heh, i was debating between buying an eee pc or an espresso machine
21 03:15:00 auchter the espresso machine won
21 03:15:00 andy753421 shadghost_home: it's a desktop, so wireless is nil, and i actually ended up copying the xorg.conf from fedora
21 03:16:00 andy753421 shadghost_home: but i'm lazy so I like having the restricted drivers included in 7.10
21 03:16:00 shadghost_home I have used a Eee for 2 days, and fell in love with it
21 03:17:00 shadghost_home the drivers included did not work in 7.1, but in 7.04 i had to install them, but it worked on the first try (and i am a noobie to linux)
21 03:18:00 auchter i would get an eee pc if the coffee places around here weren't so incompetent
21 03:18:00 auchter if i order an espresso, you do not give it to me in a bloody paper cup.
21 03:19:00 andy753421 auchter: foam?
21 03:19:00 auchter hmm?
21 03:19:00 shadghost_home you'r own cup?
21 03:20:00 andy753421 auchter: you could just steal coffee from the CS Dept.
21 03:20:00 auchter yeah, but that's coffee, and i can already make it better here
21 03:20:00 auchter i roast coffee beans about three times a week
21 03:21:00 auchter then brew in a french press
21 03:21:00 andy753421 nice
21 03:21:00 andy753421 where do you get the beans?
21 03:21:00 auchter however, espresso requires a machine, and those are usuaully quite expensive
21 03:21:00 auchter sweetmarias.com
21 03:23:00 auchter speaking of which, i need more
21 03:24:00 andy753421 if i drank coffee more often I would probably do something like that as well, but then i'd need to get a roaster/grinder..
21 03:25:00 auchter yeah, my advice is to not start...
21 03:26:00 shadghost_home ya... i think 40 hours awake is good, time to go to bed
21 03:26:00 auchter i should probably do that so i don't die tomorrow
21 03:27:00 andy753421 driving home? how'd your test go?
21 03:27:00 auchter yeah, driving home.
21 03:27:00 auchter the programming portion was very easy, like 20 lines of code which didn't even require thought
21 03:27:00 auchter the written portion... not so much.
21 03:29:00 shadghost_home ,,
21 03:29:00 shadghost_home &
21 12:23:00 TBoneULS so apparently we need to meet with someone else to go over the constitution
21 12:23:00 TBoneULS revised constitution
21 12:23:00 TBoneULS i'll email them, and let you guys know what they say
21 12:23:00 TheRoot really?
21 12:23:00 TheRoot according to who?
21 12:23:00 TBoneULS rickert
21 12:24:00 TBoneULS "You will need to meet with Carey Treager Huber to go over the revised
21 12:24:00 TBoneULS constitution.
21 12:24:00 TBoneULS "
21 12:40:00 TheRoot well ok then.
21 12:56:00 TheRoo1 whoami
21 12:56:00 TheRoo1 stupid flaky VPN connection.
21 12:56:00 TheRoo1 shakes his fist in impotent rage.
21 14:50:00 tommost I just picked up a new laptop. It has the it seems to have the Intel networking chipset--an Intel driver shows up instead of the Broadcom one in the restricted drivers manager.
21 14:51:00 andy753421 that's nice, did you have to pay for it?
21 14:54:00 tommost I will. It's being billed to my student account.
21 14:54:00 andy753421 hmm. any chance of getting money back if they find yours?
21 14:55:00 tommost No, however Pete Gustafson e-mailed the other guy that was robbed and I to say that they'll be reimbursing us for half of the $750 deductible.
21 14:55:00 andy753421 ok
21 14:56:00 andy753421 if they get yours, you should just keep both and sell one on ebay :)
21 15:09:00 tommost No, my other laptop is now the property of the insurance company.
21 15:09:00 tommost If the find it, I only get my data.
21 18:26:00 andy753421 well, i think i'll try this once again..
21 18:26:00 andy753421 any suggestions on decent mail clients?
21 18:31:00 Morasique andy753421: in general?
21 18:32:00 Morasique i use evolution for the exchange integration, i think most people use thunderbird from what i hear
21 18:32:00 andy753421 Morasique: how well does the evolution integration work these days?
21 18:32:00 andy753421 I was using it a year or so ago, but it was all buggy
21 18:33:00 auchter i haven't had any issues with thunderbird
21 18:33:00 Morasique the only problem i have is with adding tasks, for some reason when i set a due date on a task it doesn't set in exchange, everything else has worked fine
21 18:33:00 andy753421 Morasique: so calendar and address book both work?
21 18:35:00 Morasique calendar has worked fine, i don't use contacts so i'm not sure. i'm not showing anything in the contacts view for some reason, but i probably just have it set up wrong and never noticed
21 18:35:00 Morasique ldap works when i'm sending a new e-mail
21 18:35:00 andy753421 oh, you're using LDAP for contacts instead of the built in exchange stuff?
21 18:36:00 andy753421 Morasique: and does it let you share/view other exchange calendars?
21 18:36:00 Morasique oh, i had the wrong thing selected in contacts. yeah, the exchange contacts seem to be fine, i can see them anyway, i've never tried doing anything with them
21 18:37:00 andy753421 ok
21 18:37:00 Morasique i haven't figured out how to see shared calendars, it has a screen for allowing sharing
21 18:42:00 Morasique has anybody ever used shadow.cs.rose-hulman.edu?
21 18:42:00 andy753421 Morasique: long ago
21 18:43:00 Morasique do you know what php it's running?
21 18:45:00 andy753421 Morasique: looks like 4.3.5RC2
21 18:46:00 Morasique ok, thanks. i couldn't figure out how to tell without access to the server
21 18:46:00 andy753421 you can log in with ssh
21 18:47:00 Morasique i can't, mcleish was supposed to give my 372 team access, but it's taking a while
21 18:47:00 andy753421 hmm.. ok, i must have got access sometime long ago
21 18:48:00 andy753421 it's part of the old CS network, so it allows CS Kerberos/AFS login
21 18:49:00 Morasique is CS kerberos different from the campus one?
21 18:49:00 andy753421 yea, cs dept used to run all their own stuff
21 18:49:00 andy753421 but now mcleash is lazy or something so it's falling apart
21 18:49:00 Morasique were we assigned passwords on it?
21 18:49:00 Morasique i don't remember ever setting one
21 18:50:00 andy753421 i think we were at one point
21 18:50:00 andy753421 i know I got mine freshman year so I could log into the SUN's that they had in the cs labs
21 18:51:00 Morasique yeah, i just found my e-mail on that, but my assigned password doesn't work, apparently i changed it and then forgot it
21 23:58:00 andy753421 so I think I could get used to use Mutt, but it will take a while
22 00:28:00 auchter so, IAIT's doing "chassis upgrades" on the routers
22 00:28:00 auchter i'm left wondering why the chassis needs updating
22 00:29:00 andy753421 maybe they're made out of cardboard boxes :)
22 00:29:00 auchter pssh, my router used to be in a cardboard box and it worked just fine
22 00:30:00 shadghost i want a case made out of legos
22 00:42:00 auchter auchtemm@skaldi ~ $ uptime 00:39:43 up 6:11, 1 user, load average: 9.32, 9.45, 9.43
22 00:42:00 auchter that load average doesn't seem right...
22 00:42:00 andy753421 nope
22 00:44:00 andy753421 well, depends on what you're doing
22 00:44:00 auchter pretty much nothing.
22 00:46:00 andy753421 anything stuck waiting for IO?
22 00:46:00 auchter not that i can see, but it doesn't really matter
22 00:46:00 auchter my computer's really responsive
22 00:47:00 auchter oh look, now the average is up to 14.85
23 02:36:00 shadghost kleinjt!!!!
23 03:18:00 andy753421 :(
23 03:18:00 andy753421 needs to reinstall slackware
23 03:28:00 shadghost i am reinstalling ubuntu and windows on my main computer....
23 03:28:00 shadghost so join the club
23 03:59:00 andy753421 gah, i can't believe slackware is using /media ...
23 13:17:00 zumbrujm hey guys
23 13:18:00 zumbrujm I'm trying to get VPN working, and was wondering if there is a way to verify that
23 13:20:00 auchter to verify that it works?
23 13:20:00 zumbrujm yes
23 13:20:00 zumbrujm I'm trying to acces tibia
23 13:21:00 zumbrujm but I want to make sure that VPN is working
23 13:21:00 auchter the easiest way would be to run: traceroute tibia.rose-hulman.edu
23 13:21:00 zumbrujm before I go to far
23 13:21:00 zumbrujm sudo traceroute tibia.rose-hulman.edu?
23 13:22:00 auchter you shouldn't need to sudo for it, but that's the command
23 13:23:00 zumbrujm hm
23 13:23:00 auchter if all of the hops have ips of 137.112.something.something, then the vpn is working
23 13:23:00 zumbrujm apparently I had to install traceroute first
23 13:24:00 zumbrujm it does
23 13:24:00 zumbrujm I was then following the directions on the wiki for tibia
23 13:25:00 auchter haha, i could have actually told you it worked without you running anything
23 13:25:00 auchter 18:26 -!- zumbrujm [n=zumbrujm@137.112.248.253] has joined #rhlug
23 13:25:00 zumbrujm lol
23 13:25:00 zumbrujm nice
23 13:25:00 auchter i didn't see that before
23 13:25:00 zumbrujm when I type smb://tibia into the explorer bar
23 13:26:00 zumbrujm it says that the folder contents could not be displayd
23 13:26:00 auchter try tibia.rose-hulman.edu instead of tibia
23 13:26:00 zumbrujm it says sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: tibia"
23 13:26:00 zumbrujm ok
23 13:27:00 zumbrujm what domain should I use?
23 13:27:00 zumbrujm I'm thinking that MSHOME is incorrect
23 13:27:00 auchter you could try rose-hulman.edu, but i don't think it should matter
23 13:28:00 zumbrujm it claims I don't have the proper permissions
23 13:29:00 zumbrujm You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: tibia.rose-hulman.edu".
23 13:31:00 auchter hm, i'm not really sure what could cause that
23 13:33:00 zumbrujm it's definitely better that what I've been getting before
23 13:33:00 zumbrujm perhaps there is a problem with authentication through VPN?
23 13:43:00 zumbruj1 well it's almost ther
23 13:43:00 zumbruj1 I think the problem lies in th domain name
23 13:46:00 zumbruj1 Thanks for your help
23 13:57:00 andy753421 zumbrujm: you could try using smbmount, that seems to work better than gnome vfs sometimes
23 14:11:00 auchter so i was reading some linux magazine yesterday
23 14:11:00 auchter and they had a comparison of calendaring software
23 14:12:00 auchter i found it hilarious that one of the "calendar" programs they reviewed was emacs
23 14:14:00 auchter but another calendar was Wyrd, which really seems cool
23 14:24:00 auchter so, wyrd just replaced sunbird in my mind
23 14:25:00 auchter it has quite possibly the coolest feature i've ever seen, called quick reminders
23 14:25:00 auchter press q, type in something that you need a reminder of, and it reminds you
23 14:25:00 auchter for example, "Bid on Gaggia Coffee tomorrow at 20:00"
23 14:26:00 auchter added that to my calendar automatically
23 14:35:00 andy753421 psh
23 14:35:00 andy753421 at teatime tomorrow << EOF
23 14:35:00 andy753421 xmessage "Go drink some Tea"
23 14:35:00 andy753421 EOF
23 14:37:00 andy753421 auchter: does that support ical?
23 14:37:00 auchter andy753421: well, kind of
23 14:37:00 auchter the program itself has no ical support
23 14:38:00 auchter but it uses remind as a backend for scheduling, and there are scripts to convert between remind and ical
23 14:41:00 zumbrujm Auchter, I'm looking at the different authentication options in the VPN properties
23 14:41:00 zumbrujm currently I have refuse EAP checked
23 14:41:00 zumbrujm authenticate peer, refuse chap, refuse MS CHAP unchecked
23 14:42:00 zumbrujm I have MPPE encryption unchecked
23 14:42:00 zumbrujm I'm using Peer DNS
23 14:42:00 zumbrujm exclusive device access (UUCP-style lock)
23 14:43:00 zumbrujm and under routing, I have peer DNS through tunnel checked
23 14:43:00 auchter zumbrujm: i think you need mppe encryption, but i'm not sure
23 14:44:00 auchter i've never done VPN under linux, only openbsd, but in one of my config files i have: require-mppe
23 14:45:00 auchter on the other hand, the VPN seems to be working fine for you, so you may want to ignore what i just said
23 14:45:00 auchter and post up on the wiki how you got it going under ubuntu, if you get a chance
23 22:04:00 andy753421 so did anyone get off campus VPN working under linux?
23 22:06:00 tommost I'll try.
23 22:08:00 andy753421 huh, rose blocking ping/ssh? or is that my ISP being stupid
23 22:09:00 andy753421 also, what port does VPN run on?
23 22:13:00 tommost Strange. It's not showing up in the "VPN connections" menu. I'm going to restart, just in case.
23 22:18:00 tommost No, it doesn't work for me either.
23 22:18:00 tommost The error message isn't very specific, though.
23 22:26:00 tommost I can ping vpn.rose-hulman.edu.
23 22:27:00 andy753421 ok, it was a firewall issue
23 22:27:00 andy753421 my brother set stuff up while I was at school
23 22:30:00 auchter andy753421: zumbrujm seemed to have off-campus vpn working under ubuntu
23 22:36:00 tommost I always get a "connection error." I wonder if my ISP is blocking it... but isn't that that doesn't happen supposed to be the point of PPTP?
23 22:37:00 auchter i think you just crashed my english parser
23 22:38:00 tommost Me?
23 22:38:00 auchter haha, yeah, i was just joking though
23 22:39:00 auchter but the last part of your sentence seemed incredibly convoluted at the time
23 22:39:00 tommost Is there any particular reason that we can't just use the IPSEC firewall that the Windows users get to use?
23 22:44:00 auchter i'm not sure. you could give it a try
23 22:44:00 auchter it looks like there might be a contivity client for linux
23 22:44:00 auchter and it seems that andy now has it working...
23 22:44:00 andy753422 auchter: yep,
23 22:44:00 andy753422 pptp sucks at routing
23 22:44:00 andy753422 so I did that all by hand
23 22:45:00 auchter pppd doesn't even bother routing for you
23 22:45:00 andy753422 yea, but apparently, it like deleting all the routes that I already had
23 22:45:00 auchter heh, that's pretty evil
23 22:45:00 auchter http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/campusnetz/vpn/unix_vpn_install.html
23 22:46:00 auchter tommost: that might be useful if you want to use ipsec
23 22:47:00 auchter just wondering, what is everyone using the VPN for
23 22:48:00 auchter i haven't actually used it before for anything
23 22:48:00 andy753422 keep my brother from snooping on me
23 22:48:00 auchter haha, i see...
23 22:51:00 auchter hm, now to figure out the best computer money can buy (well, $50 of money) to run plan9 on
23 22:51:00 andy753422 heh, i need one of those
23 22:52:00 andy753422 and one to do kernel work on, i'm scared of accidentally deleting my hard drive :/
23 22:52:00 auchter i actually want more than one to play around with the network features
23 22:52:00 auchter why not do kernel work in a vm?
23 22:52:00 auchter or that crazy thing that can host another kernel natively...
23 22:52:00 andy753422 i do, but that's a pain
23 22:52:00 andy753422 (lguest, i'm looking into that)
23 22:52:00 auchter yeah, that's the one
23 22:53:00 andy753422 I want to be able to have rw access to the disk, but i'm scare of breaking everything if i allow that
23 22:53:00 andy753422 so right now i just have it running in snapshot mode
23 22:53:00 auchter yeah, it'd probably be best to do that on a dedicated machine
23 22:54:00 andy753422 also, my slackware partition is only 256 Mb..
23 22:54:00 andy753422 i think i'm going to try to get sshfs working from within qemu, that way I can rw safely
23 22:55:00 andy753422 by the way http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/index.html is interesting, and pretty easy as well
23 22:56:00 auchter ah, cool. i'll have to read through that sometime
23 22:57:00 auchter right now i'm immersing myself in FLAC
23 22:57:00 andy753422 writing a verilog decoder?
23 22:57:00 auchter yeah, but first i'm going to write a very very simple decoder in C
23 22:57:00 auchter to make sure i understand the codec
23 22:58:00 andy753422 probably a good idea
23 23:45:00 Morasique has anybody used vpn recently? i can't get it working for some reason, i get a really unhelpful "Could not start the VPN connection due to a connection error"
23 23:46:00 Morasique i used the gnome interface to do it, and i figured i'd just set it up wrong, but somebody updated the wiki recently with the gnome instructions and i seem to have done it right
23 23:59:00 tommost I get the exact same error.
23 23:59:00 Morasiqu1 hmm. does it normally work for you?
24 00:01:00 tommost No; I only just installed the software.
24 00:32:00 andy753421 I got vpn working, but I haven't used the gnome interface
24 00:32:00 andy753421 you might check dmesg to see if there's errors or anything
24 00:34:00 Morasiqu1 i'm poking through /var/log/messages now, the problem appears to be:
24 00:34:00 Morasiqu1 Dec 24 00:30:56 mrozekma-1 pppd[24692]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/4
24 00:34:00 Morasiqu1 Dec 24 00:30:57 mrozekma-1 pppd[24692]: nm-pppd-plugin: CHAP check hook.
24 00:34:00 Morasiqu1 Dec 24 00:31:07 mrozekma-1 pppd[24692]: Terminating on signal 15
24 00:34:00 Morasiqu1 but i'm not sure what to do about it
24 00:34:00 andy753421 run pptp from the command line and see if that works
24 00:35:00 andy753421 something like 'pptp vpn.rose-hulman.edu --debug user <username> nodetach'
24 00:35:00 andy753421 make sure you have mschap/mppe working
24 00:35:00 Morasiqu1 i haven't been able to get pptp to give me any output, even with --debug, i'm not sure why
24 00:36:00 andy753421 does it exit/background right away?
24 00:36:00 andy753421 pppd forks itself, so you need nodetach as well
24 00:37:00 Morasiqu1 i have nodetach, it doesn't exit, it just sits there
24 00:37:00 andy753421 are you using debug pppd options as well?
24 00:38:00 andy753421 so 'pptp vpn.rose-hulman.edu --debug user <username> nodetach debug kdebug'
24 00:39:00 Morasiqu1 that didn't change anything. it's likely i haven't configured something i'm supposed to, i've never used any of these before
24 00:39:00 andy753421 ok, for my conf, i have my password in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
24 00:40:00 andy753421 for /etc/ppp/options i have: lockndefaultroutenrequire-mppennomppe-40
24 00:41:00 andy753421 and /etc/ppp/options.pptp i have auth, require-{chap,mppe}, passive, and a couple others that shouldn't matter
24 00:42:00 andy753421 i'll try to update the VPN wiki page later
24 00:42:00 andy753421 got to go now though
24 00:42:00 Morasiqu1 ok, thanks. i'll mess with it
24 02:26:00 shadghost ping: kleinjt
24 02:53:00 andy753422 hey auchter, is freya running a web server?
24 03:00:00 andy753422 or actually, is anyone else around that wouldn't mind lending me port 80 for a few minutes?
24 03:04:00 Morasiqu1 so, i have no idea what's different now, maybe because i'm on wireless instead of wired, but i tried getting on vpn again not expecting anything to happen, and it connected without a problem, so thanks everyone that was helping me before, particularly andy753421
24 03:05:00 andy753422 Morasiqu1: want to do me a favor? ;)
24 03:05:00 andy753422 $ nc -l -p 80 | andy753421.ath.cx 22
24 03:05:00 andy753422 our firewall is being stupid again..
24 03:06:00 andy753422 er, | nc andy753421.ath.cx 22
24 03:07:00 Morasiqu1 do i have to kill apache? i'm getting port problems
24 03:07:00 andy753422 ah, n/m
24 03:08:00 andy753422 try this one, 'nc -L andy753421.ath.cx:22 6667'
24 03:08:00 andy753422 er, 'nc -L andy753421.ath.cx:22 -p 6667'
24 03:09:00 Morasiqu1 i think you wanted 'nc -l andy753421.ath.cx 22 -p 6667', that seems to be working
24 03:09:00 Morasiqu1 or i'm not getting errors anyway
24 03:14:00 andy753422 hmm. 6667 seems to be blocked as well
24 03:14:00 andy753422 are you running apache on ssl? (443)
24 03:14:00 Morasiqu1 no, i think just on 80
24 03:15:00 andy753422 ok, want to try that again substituting 6667 for 443?
24 03:15:00 Morasiqu1 invalid connection from some ip
24 03:16:00 andy753422 that would be me..
24 03:16:00 Morasiqu1 hmm
24 03:16:00 andy753422 doesn't seem to be forwarding correctly
24 03:16:00 Morasiqu1 do i have to change my iptables?
24 03:16:00 andy753422 doubt it
24 03:17:00 andy753422 not sure though
24 03:18:00 Morasiqu1 i changed it to allow 443, i don't know if that was the problem or not
24 03:18:00 andy753422 same thing
24 03:18:00 Morasiqu1 no, it did it again
24 03:18:00 Morasiqu1 is the whole command just 'nc -l andy753421.ath.cx 22 -p 443'?
24 03:18:00 andy753422 what error does 'nc -L andy753421.ath.cx:22 -p 443
24 03:19:00 andy753422 that doesn't seem like the right one to me, but different netcats sometimes handle arguments differently
24 03:19:00 Morasiqu1 well, -L isn't a valid switch and it didn't like the :22 either, so i changed them to what i thought you meant
24 03:19:00 Morasiqu1 "invalid connection to [137.112.248.78] from (UNKNOWN) [71.81.247.7] 34989"
24 03:20:00 andy753422 ok, does nc -h say anything about tunneling?
24 03:21:00 Morasiqu1 no
24 03:21:00 andy753422 ok, don't worry about it to much, i'll mess around with stuff some more in the morning
24 03:22:00 Morasiqu1 ok. let me know if you want me to try anything else later
24 03:22:00 andy753422 ok
24 04:48:00 shadghost WOOT
24 04:58:00 shadghost i have a confusion to make
24 04:58:00 shadghost windows still has me in there grip
24 04:59:00 shadghost i love to game
24 12:48:00 auchter andy753422: yeah, freya is running a webserver, but it seems too late for that now, haha
24 22:57:00 andy753423 http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/emacs
24 22:59:00 Blazeix bugs:yes.
24 23:16:00 Blazeix Anybody know what's up with the Xorg.conf page?
24 23:16:00 Blazeix on the wiki, that is
24 23:16:00 Blazeix It looks like it had a lot of content, but then someone came along and erased it all.
24 23:17:00 Blazeix It didn't have the best information, but it might be useful at some point if we post stock Xorg.conf files for each laptop model.
25 00:30:00 auchter slashdot has the best tags of any site
25 00:30:00 auchter no, yourmom, itsmoronmoron, infinitidoesntwraparound, yourallyoyosshutupyouyoyos (tagging beta)
25 00:32:00 andy753422 i don't know, i search by 'yourallyoyosshutupyouyoyos' all the time..
25 00:32:00 andy753422 in other news, I think there might actually be an absolute hot, depending on the temperature system used
25 00:35:00 auchter the list of articles under the "no" tag is fun
25 01:49:00 andy753422 anyone know where gnome keeps it's setting on what application it runs when you click something in nautilus?
25 02:00:00 kleinjt I'm looking for it in the configuration editor. I haven't found it yet, only what program to use to preview by file extension. (I'm assuming you asked about what program to run what by using file extensions.. )
25 02:00:00 andy753422 kleinjt: yea, i think it looks at more than file extensions though
25 02:01:00 kleinjt andy753421: yeah, I suppose it does
25 02:15:00 kleinjt andy753421: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-26875.html looks like it might have a solution, if you haven't found one already
25 02:18:00 kleinjt it looks pretty messy
25 03:26:00 andy753422 'rm /usr/share/applications/{emacs,abiword}*.desktop && update-destkop-database' seems to have worked :)
25 12:52:00 povilus-desktop no one is playing eve on chrismas wtf
26 03:19:00 shadghos1 doom
27 17:33:00 shadghost morning
28 09:44:00 rr72 hey, everyone have a good holiday?
29 01:35:00 andy753422 rr72: not bad
29 01:35:00 andy753422 anyone ever used DCC/Spam Assassin?
29 01:36:00 tommost Set it up, you mean? Or just used it as a client?
29 01:36:00 andy753422 beats me, i don't know anything about them
29 01:38:00 tommost I used Spam Assassin on my web host for a while, before I started forwarding everything to Gmail.
29 01:39:00 andy753422 do you know if I would I be able to use it with my Rose-Hulman email address?
29 01:39:00 tommost It worked okay, but couldn't really handle bounce epidemics.
29 01:39:00 tommost Um, I think that Evolution can use it locally.
29 01:39:00 tommost I'm only familiar with it as a server-side thing, though.
29 01:40:00 andy753422 ok, i was hoping to be able to set something up that would be independent of what mail client i'm using
29 01:40:00 andy753422 i know thunderbird has spam stuff as well, but it's all built in or something
29 01:40:00 tommost Well, I suppose that you could set up a server to pull your e-mail from Rose's servers and go over with SA.
29 01:41:00 tommost Yeah, Thunderbird's stuff used to work okay for me, but it started getting really quirky for me at some point.
29 01:41:00 tommost As I was moving messages to Gmail IMAP it decided that huge numbers of messages were spam.
29 01:42:00 tommost Thunderbird's filtering is Bayesian, so it must have gotten trained since I originally got those messages.
29 01:43:00 tommost So, yeah, I'm sure that you could set up a system to filter stuff on an external server. However, I don't think that Spam Assassin's filtering is worth the trouble.
29 01:44:00 tommost Have you been getting a lot of spam at your Rose address?
29 01:44:00 andy753422 ~ 10 per day
29 01:44:00 andy753422 which is enough to be annoying
29 01:44:00 tommost Yeah.
29 01:46:00 tommost What type? If it's obvious, Spam Assassin will definitely catch it. For that matter, Thunderbird should be able to.
29 01:56:00 andy753422 yea, thunderbirds does pretty well, stocks, penis enlargement, medication, 'discount software', etc
29 01:57:00 tommost So, textual stuff? Aside from the stock ones.
29 01:58:00 andy753422 yea mostly
29 01:58:00 andy753422 it should be pretty easy to filter just by the subject
29 01:58:00 tommost Yeah, SA may work for that. It mainly had difficulty with the all-image ones when I was using it.
29 01:59:00 andy753422 eh, i don't read those anyway
29 03:39:00 andy753422 errrgghh, why does e-mail suck so much?
29 03:41:00 andy753422 why the hell do we need MTAs, MSAs, MUAs, and MDAs, that's why to many mail agents for something as simple as e-mail
31 04:28:00 andy753421 mike, you look at today's xkcd yet?
31 11:58:00 auchter andy753421: the tooltip sums it up perfectly
31 15:12:00 auchter so, the harddrive in my mom's desktop finally died
31 15:12:00 auchter bought a new one and am in the process of install ubuntu on it
31 15:13:00 auchter the ubuntu installer works fine on this machine without any trickery, though it does have an nvidia card in it...
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