31 23:22:00 Morasique http://bash.org/?464385
31 23:28:00 tommost__ :D
31 23:28:00 tommost__ Upgraded.
01 01:02:00 Morasique somebody's complaining in #freenode that the 9.10 install has been going for 8 hours
01 01:02:00 Morasique i'm guessing that's not normal
01 01:04:00 tommost__ An install or an upgrade?
01 01:04:00 tommost__ Upgrades tend to take forever around this time; the main servers are getting hammered.
01 14:15:00 andy753421 -vomit-frame-pointer?
02 00:19:00 Morasique wasn't ubuntu or somebody working on a fancy new libnotify with persistent notifications that changed as the status did? like as you changed your volume the one notification would show a changing progress bar
02 00:19:00 tommost__ Yeah, it works like that.
02 00:19:00 Morasique did they finish that?
02 00:20:00 tommost__ I'm not sure that they've implemented all of their specification, but that bit certainly works.
02 00:20:00 Morasique what package is it part of? did they roll it into libnotify?
02 00:21:00 tommost__ Hmm, I'm not sure. It's part of the base distribution.
02 00:21:00 tommost__ There's doubtless a launchpad project for it; I suggest you check there.
02 00:21:00 tommost__ Do note that they removed buttons and stuff—you should check the spec to see if it's really what you want.
02 00:22:00 Morasique damn. i just want libnotify dialogs as they are now, only i can have them stay on screen and i can update them
02 00:24:00 tommost__ Yeah, I honestly would have preferred that they not remove buttons and stuff.
02 00:24:00 tommost__ They replaced them with dialog boxes, which are potentially annoying.
02 00:25:00 tommost__ It seems that they removed the use of buttons in various Gnome places, though, so it hasn't actually been an issue.
02 10:31:00 tommost_ Morasique: The name is notify-osd
04 00:26:00 tommost__ http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Using_Graphics_Card_Memory_as_Swap
04 00:26:00 Morasique tommost__: great, because most gentoo users need more swap space
04 00:28:00 tommost__ I totally have 512 MB of memory there between my graphics cards. And only 2GB of regular RAM...
04 00:29:00 cce891ed http://vpaste.net/G40CG
04 00:30:00 tommost__ I need to switch to 32-bit... memory usage on 64-bit is rather high.
04 00:33:00 cce891ed somehow i don't think that's your problem
04 00:33:00 tommost__ Heh heh heh.
05 00:44:00 tommost Do we have anything going for the meeting?
05 00:44:00 tommost Perhaps kleinjt should program an AVR in real time.
05 00:45:00 Morasique preparing for the meeting more than an hour before it starts? this is a dangerous precedent
05 00:45:00 cce891ed i second that motion
05 00:46:00 tommost I was thinking about it *hours ago*. I don't know what came over me.
05 00:46:00 Morasique as long as kleinjt doesn't send out the reminder until 1700 or so
05 00:47:00 kleinjt I think I'll want to play with the amforth a bit before presenting on it
05 00:47:00 kleinjt I might want to actually understand the topic I'm presenting on for once
05 00:47:00 tommost An understandable position.
05 00:47:00 kleinjt er.. that is too a dangerous precedent
06 02:27:00 tommost collinjc_lug, andy753421: Could one of you emerge dev-python/lxml on the server?
06 02:30:00 andy753421 done
06 02:30:00 tommost Thanks.
06 02:33:00 tommost Could you also install the Rose-Hulman SSL certificates, as per my instructions on the wiki?
06 02:34:00 andy753421 hm, i though that was already done, but it doesn't look like it
06 02:34:00 tommost I think they changed the certificate, actually.
06 02:34:00 tommost Now it's a GoDaddy cert.
06 02:34:00 tommost I don't see why it doesn't work, actually.
06 02:34:00 andy753421 i don't see the old ones either
06 02:35:00 tommost Also, emerge dev-python/httplib2?
06 02:37:00 andy753421 i installed httplib2 and the ssl certs, but they still don't verify
06 02:37:00 tommost Hmm.
06 02:38:00 tommost Well, it doesn't matter too much at the moment.
06 02:39:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, what are all the python libraries for?
06 02:40:00 tommost Writing a script to scrape the network usage tool page.
06 02:40:00 tommost I'm curious to observe my usage.
06 02:41:00 andy753421 hm, didn't someone already write a script to do that?
06 02:41:00 tommost I'm sure lots of people have.
06 10:22:00 Morasique tommost_: you're probably done by now, but here's the one i used: http://sprunge.us/gOCK?py
06 11:00:00 Morasique i've been trying to figure out why emacs won't start an X window on my machine; turned out i had it aliased to emacs -nw from forever ago
06 11:00:00 Morasique i'm awesome
06 11:16:00 Morasique does anyone else get this `Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing' bullshit?
06 11:16:00 Morasique i find lots of mentions of it on google, but it's always "don't worry about it, just ignore it". it's a little annoying having it pop up four times every time i start an X window, there has to be a way to shut it off
06 13:01:00 andy753421 Morasique: is that related to evdev or /dev/input/event?
06 13:19:00 Morasique andy753421: i don't know, it happens when i open an X-forward a new window
06 13:20:00 andy753421 over ssh, or does it happen over plain tcp as well?
06 13:21:00 Morasique i don't even know how to x-forward besides through ssh
06 13:24:00 andy753421 it's pretty easy... `DISPLAY=host:0 xterm'
06 13:25:00 andy753421 just just have to make sure xorg has tcp enabled and that you have permission to use hosts's display (i just run xauth +...)
06 13:25:00 Morasique oh, i do do that. i haven't seen that cause a problem
07 00:49:00 Morasique dear gentoo: stop posting news items and nagging me about them every time i emerge
07 00:50:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure emerge's "calculating dependencies" step is a lie; it sits there for five minutes even when i mistype the package name. what dependencies is it calculating?
07 00:51:00 andy753421 you know, that's a really good point
07 00:52:00 andy753421 you should strace it sometime
07 00:55:00 Morasique i think it does some sort of global checking that it caches; emerge is always faster for a while after and it's incredibly slow if i haven't used it in a while
07 01:02:00 Morasique this is crazy awesome: http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/neercs
07 01:02:00 Morasique it's like screen, only with different configurations besides horizontal split, colors, minimal animations, and the ability to import an existing process into it that's already running
07 01:02:00 Morasique that last part is pretty badass
07 01:03:00 Morasique holy crap, and screensavers. it was doing some ascii-art bird flying thing when i switched back to it
07 01:07:00 andy753421 hm, importing processes? i'm curious how that works..
07 01:08:00 Morasique this guy wrote something similar, i found it through that: http://blog.habets.pp.se/2009/03/Moving-a-process-to-another-terminal
07 01:08:00 andy753421 i'd really be much more interested in a program that could just attach a background process to the current terminal, but i thought that wasn't possible
07 01:09:00 Morasique this might do that too
07 01:09:00 Morasique yeah, it looks like it works
07 01:09:00 Morasique i backgrounded htop and it attached it fine
07 01:10:00 andy753421 with neercs or the stuff in that link?
07 01:11:00 Morasique neercs. i tried that link first but it was segfaulting the processes it tried to attach
07 01:13:00 andy753421 yea, i'm really not wanting to install libcaca for this
07 01:15:00 Morasique you can try the blog program, it doesn't need it
07 01:15:00 Morasique you won't get the sweet close animations or bird screensaver though
07 01:15:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/neercs.png
07 01:16:00 cce891ed those are definitely fish
07 01:16:00 Morasique well, they're flying, you just can't see it
07 01:16:00 cce891ed fish don't fly, they swim
07 01:16:00 Morasique exactly my point
07 01:16:00 cce891ed we're in agreement
07 01:16:00 Morasique occasionally one shows up that's cut in half
07 01:16:00 Morasique it's very disturbing
07 01:17:00 andy753421 Morasique: can you run htop, ctrl-z it, disown it, and then still attach it to nercs?
07 01:18:00 Morasique i can't disown it while it's in the background
07 01:18:00 Morasique i suspended it, had neercs steal it, and then foregrounded it in the original window and it showed up in neercs
07 01:18:00 Morasique it if was something that actually runs in the background i think it would be ok
07 01:19:00 Morasique hmm. maybe not
07 01:19:00 Morasique i backgrounded `du /' and tried to pull it into neercs, but nothing is showing up
07 01:20:00 Morasique it seems to be killing it, the process disappears when i try to run neercs
07 01:22:00 Morasique it works if i don't close the original terminal first. that makes no sense
07 01:23:00 andy753421 it probably has to steal an active tty, if you close the terminal i bet the process quits or something
07 01:23:00 Morasique the process still shows up on the list, but when neercs try to steal it it disappears
07 01:24:00 Morasique well, it's still useful for if you forget to start something in screen, but it would be better if it could do backgrounded stuff
07 20:39:00 Morasique a guy in proggit didn't realize you can have more than one screen in a screen session; he just had a bunch of screen instances with one screen each and detached and reattached a whole lot
07 20:44:00 tommost I do that anyway so that I can attach to multiple ones at once from differently-sized windows.
07 23:02:00 andy753421 so i just clicked on Morasique's screenshot of neercs, i'm pretty sure those are meant to be flying toasters.. (/me hopes he's not missing a joke or part of a conversation..)
07 23:13:00 Morasique oh, there used to be a windows screensaver of flying toasters in the 3.1 days
07 23:13:00 Morasique that makes more sense
07 23:15:00 andy753421 .wik Flying toaster
07 23:15:00 andy753421 oh wait..
07 23:15:00 andy753421 there's also an xscreensaver module that does that
07 23:18:00 tommost Yeah, there's one for gnome-screensaver too.
07 23:24:00 andy753421 i think gnome-screensaver stole all it's code from xscreensaver
07 23:25:00 tommost I don't know. Probably. Why reinvent the wheel?
07 23:26:00 andy753421 the gnome-screensaver page confused me..
07 23:26:00 andy753421 "It is designed to support: * a desktop neutral control interface via DBus, * a desktop neutral and standard way to install and manage screensaver themes"
07 23:27:00 tommost What does KDE use for screensavering?
07 23:27:00 andy753421 I'm not really sure how something that depends on gnome-everything is supposed to be desktop neutral
07 23:28:00 andy753421 tommost: i think theirs is called kscreensaver
07 23:28:00 tommost Shocking.~
08 00:45:00 octavious DBus is independent of GNOME, I thought.
08 00:47:00 andy753421 it is, theoretically, but these aren't: http://vpaste.net/BgDG1?
08 00:48:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure the gnome people are just renaming all their programs and libraries to not include the term `gnome' so that they can say that they're `desktop independent'
08 00:48:00 andy753421 e.g. gnomevfs -> gvfs
08 01:20:00 tommost__ So why don't we have crontab permissions on the server?
08 01:26:00 Morasique because collinjc_server hates us :(
08 01:28:00 tommost__ And here I was ready to blame Gentoo...
08 01:29:00 cce891ed protip: gentoo is never at fault
08 01:29:00 tommost__ looks at /etc/init.d/net.eth0
08 01:29:00 tommost__ No, never.~
08 01:30:00 cce891ed hey, just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use it
08 01:30:00 tommost__ hugs /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/down
08 01:32:00 tommost__ All I know is that it works by default on all of my systems.
08 01:33:00 cce891ed yeah, each time i boot my beagleboard running angstrom i need to inexplicably do ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; to get a network connection
08 01:34:00 tommost__ Clearly you did it wrong.
08 01:34:00 tommost__ What's in /etc/network/interfaces?
08 01:35:00 cce891ed i've not touched it, it's the default install
08 01:36:00 cce891ed http://vpaste.net/lZYy2
08 01:38:00 Morasique tommost__: (from 10 minutes ago) it's because we're not in the cron group, it's not gentoo's fault
08 01:38:00 tommost__ Ah, so it's andy753421's.
08 01:39:00 Morasique technically, but now that collinjc_server is server admin all blame shifts to him
08 01:42:00 tommost__ cce891ed: That file looks fine to me; I don't know what's going on.
08 01:44:00 cce891ed the fact that that file looks fine is bad
08 01:44:00 tommost__ It's a lot larger than any I've seen before, yeah.
08 01:44:00 cce891ed at least /etc/init.d/net.eth0 is something i can read and understand
08 01:44:00 cce891ed this just seems to hide a bunch of stuff
08 01:45:00 tommost__ You should only need four lines out of that.
08 01:46:00 tommost__ http://vpaste.net/okzZw
08 01:46:00 cce891ed shell scripts are easier to grok
08 01:47:00 tommost__ I hate shell scripts. I hate reading other people's shell scripts even more than I hate writing them.
08 01:47:00 cce891ed i hate having to learn new semantics for each damn program out there
08 01:47:00 tommost__ (That is generally, though. Sometimes shell is the right tool, just not most of the time.)
08 01:50:00 Morasique < tommost__> I hate shell scripts.
08 01:50:00 Morasique tommost__: you fail at linux
08 01:50:00 tommost__ I write all my shell scripts in zsh.
08 01:51:00 tommost__ It's at least a little more sane.
08 01:53:00 andy753421 cce891ed: you can understand /etc/init.d/net.eth0?
08 01:54:00 tommost__ It's 1136 lines long...
08 01:54:00 andy753421 no, that's a line, it's really about 5000 lines long
08 01:54:00 tommost__ And what is this /sbin/runscript voodoo?
08 01:54:00 andy753421 they just hide the rest in /lib/rc/net/
08 01:55:00 andy753421 tommost.*: runscript(8)
08 01:55:00 andy753421 it's lame, that's what it is
08 01:56:00 tommost__ Neither the server nor my desktop has that man page.
08 01:56:00 tommost__ Of course, my desktop has native upstart jobs.
08 01:56:00 Morasique nor me
08 01:56:00 Morasique or google
08 01:57:00 andy753421 odd, why do I have this?
08 01:57:00 Morasique hacks
08 01:57:00 andy753421 http://vpaste.net/mPLIy?
08 01:58:00 Morasique this sounds like startstopdaemon
08 02:00:00 andy753421 oh, it's because the lug server is still using baselayout 1.0
08 02:01:00 tommost__ Eh? Gentoo thing?
08 02:01:00 andy753421 "Description: Filesystem baselayout and init scripts"
08 02:05:00 andy753421 fyi, you're all in the cron group now
08 02:06:00 tommost__ Yay.
08 02:06:00 andy753421 actually, everyone is the the cron group
08 02:06:00 tommost__ Loops in screen were getting old.
08 02:07:00 andy753421 collinjc.*: you can maybe fix /etc/security/groups.conf to only allow cron to lug members
08 21:39:00 tommost What's the most awesome tab to see in Firefox's "Well, this is embarassing" dialog?
08 21:39:00 tommost about:sessionrestore
08 21:40:00 tommost Hah! And it really does work when nested!
08 21:40:00 cce891ed why have i never seen this dialog before?
08 21:41:00 tommost Aren't you still on 3.0?
08 21:42:00 cce891ed yes
08 21:42:00 Morasique i've bitched about it and screen-shotted it before
08 21:42:00 tommost I like it.
08 21:50:00 Morasique tommost: you do not, you agreed with me at the time
08 22:01:00 tommost I have mixed feelings about it. I like it when it means that it takes 10 seconds to open Firefox instead of 60.
08 22:01:00 tommost I *hate* the button layout, though.
08 22:07:00 kleinjt buttons in firefox?
08 22:10:00 compuwizard123_ i hate the ff ssl unsecure warning page...takes like 3 or 4 clicks to get through
08 22:10:00 Morasique yeah, they did it intentionally so you can't ignore it. except you need to ignore it, all the time
08 22:11:00 Morasique because people like cce891ed run websites with invalid certificates
08 22:11:00 tommost Yeah, I'm really pissed at them for that.
08 23:28:00 tommost LaTeX macros do not interact well with the tabular environment.
08 23:29:00 tommost I am presently in pain.
08 23:35:00 cce891ed tabular environments are pain
08 23:59:00 Morasique tabular environments are a pox on the house of latex
09 00:00:00 cce891ed Morasique++
09 00:00:00 cce891ed also, if you're using tabular anyway, you owe it to yourself to use booktabs
09 00:00:00 cce891ed they make your tables look slightly less terrible
09 00:00:00 tommost Yeah, I already am.
09 00:00:00 cce891ed good call
09 00:01:00 tommost The issue right now *I think* is that one of my team members messed up in marking up tables, so everything's messed up.
09 00:31:00 andy753421 git difftool is pretty neat
09 13:08:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: ping
09 13:09:00 andy7534211 i uploaded 0.3 tarballs for libgis and aweather, fyi
09 13:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: pong
09 13:13:00 compuwizard123_ sounds good
09 14:09:00 tommost_ Cool, I want to try that over break.
09 15:19:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i compiled new packages for both libgis and aweather. when i installed and then ran in a vm the area where the map usually is is a big black box
09 15:19:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: if i zoom in far it turns from black to blue
09 19:29:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: you probably have enable the bmng plugin (file->prefs->plugins->check)
09 19:30:00 andy7534211 you might want to disable the radar plugin before trying to load bmng.. there's a bug 0.3 where bmng doesn't work if it's loaded after radar (that bug is fixed in the git head, but i'm going to wait a day or so to see if there's any more bugs before making a 0.3.1)
09 19:31:00 andy7534211 if that still doesn't show a globe, you can try pressing `w' to go to draw the wrieframe and see if that shows anything
09 19:58:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: the only plugin when i goto prefs is radar
09 19:58:00 compuwizard123_ the globe is there apparently since i hit w and i can see the wireframe
09 19:59:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: do you have a /usr/lib/*gis/ folder?
09 19:59:00 compuwizard123_ it doesnt look like i have a folder
09 20:00:00 compuwizard123_ i can check if it actually got into the package
09 20:00:00 andy7534211 hm, that /usr/lib/gis/ should be created installed when in install libgis (and contain srtm.so and bmng.so)
09 20:01:00 andy7534211 aweather should look for plugins in both /usr/lib/aweather and /usr/lib/gis, it sounds like /usr/lib/aweather is working and /usr/lib/gis isn't
09 20:02:00 compuwizard123_ ok
09 20:03:00 compuwizard123_ does the dev package need them or just the reg?
09 20:04:00 andy7534211 i'm not sure, theyre runtime files, i don't really know the difference between a regular and a -dev package
09 20:05:00 compuwizard123_ me neither :-/ ill google it
09 20:05:00 andy7534211 ah :) i would think that you would put them in the regular package, and then when you install the -dev it would install the regular first so you'd have it with both?
09 20:06:00 andy7534211 i was thinking the -devs were just things like documentation and header files, but i don't really know how that all works
09 20:06:00 compuwizard123_ ok sounds good to me
09 20:48:00 compuwizard123_ looks like i got it working so i can see the map
09 20:48:00 compuwizard123_ the radar doesnt seem to be showing though
09 20:51:00 andy7534211 does the radar look like it loads correctly? (make sure you're not offline, and then try switching to Wichita Kansas)
09 21:00:00 compuwizard123_ it says "loading radar..100.0% (1.58/1.58 MB)"
09 21:00:00 compuwizard123_ and it doesnt move the globe to that location
09 21:17:00 andy7534211 oh, it doesn't move the globe anyway, but it should finish and then display the buttons in the radar tab
09 21:20:00 compuwizard123_ does the srtm plugin need to be enabled?
09 21:20:00 andy7534211 no
09 21:20:00 andy7534211 does the aweather package install the wsr88dec program?
09 21:21:00 compuwizard123_ um
09 21:23:00 andy7534211 wsr88dec is a helper program that decompresses the radar files since RSL can't do that by itself :/
09 21:23:00 andy7534211 i've been meaning to patch rsl so that wsr88dec isn't needed, but i haven't done that yet
09 21:23:00 compuwizard123_ ok
09 21:23:00 compuwizard123_ where is it normally placed?
09 21:23:00 andy7534211 /usr/bin/
09 21:25:00 compuwizard123_ ok
09 21:26:00 compuwizard123_ ill look into that
09 21:26:00 andy7534211 mkay, i'm fixing the radar plugin so it gives a warning instead of just hanging
09 21:50:00 compuwizard123_ ok well still stuck on that loading screen
09 21:50:00 compuwizard123_ and i have that wsr88d in /usr/bin
09 21:55:00 andy7534211 could you run it from the command line and see if there's any relevant debugging output around when it gets to 100%?
09 21:56:00 compuwizard123_ http://vpaste.net/rwxwR
09 21:56:00 compuwizard123_ thats from since i start it to it trying to load
09 21:59:00 andy7534211 that looks like a problem with RSL, it should install a file called wsr88d_locations.dat (mine is in /usr/share/rsl/ though)
09 22:02:00 compuwizard123_ hm ok
09 22:03:00 andy7534211 i'm kind of surprised that's a problem, i don't think that's changed much since 0.2.x
09 22:05:00 compuwizard123_ well doesnt look like that ever got packaged so idk
09 22:06:00 andy7534211 huh, ok
09 22:07:00 andy7534211 for .debs, do you have to manually specify all the files it installs? (i gentoo it just uses whatever make install does)
09 22:08:00 compuwizard123_ it seems like i have to but idk why
09 22:08:00 compuwizard123_ there may be a better way but im not aware of it yet
09 22:39:00 compuwizard123_ ill work on this more tomorrow or wednesday
09 22:43:00 andy7534211 mkay
10 21:15:00 tommost Will we be having a LUG meeting this week?
10 21:17:00 kleinjt (I won't be able to make it)
10 21:18:00 tommost Yeah...
10 21:18:00 cce891ed i've got way too much work
10 21:18:00 tommost Yeah...
12 00:36:00 Morasique http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,617,530.PN.&OS=PN/7,617,530&RS=PN/7,617,530
12 00:37:00 Morasique i suspect app-admin/sudo will be hardmasked soon :(
12 00:37:00 compuwizard123_ microsofts "sudo" patent? the same that was on /.?
12 00:39:00 Morasique yeah
12 00:39:00 andy753421 heh, they apparently reference one torvalds posts on sudo
12 16:10:00 Morasique http://sprunge.us/aRjX?irc
12 16:11:00 Morasique i'm confused. that's not the direction things are supposed to go at all
12 16:11:00 tommost :D
12 16:11:00 tommost hugs cconstantine
12 16:12:00 Morasique [16:06:58] <cconstantine> ah, I like the hand-holding. I'm done with having fun configuring OSes
12 16:12:00 Morasique sounds very... ubuntu-user-ish
12 16:12:00 Morasique oh, and he's a mac user too. just so you know who you're hugging
12 16:12:00 tommost Yeah, I never found that much fun.
12 17:00:00 andy753421 someone should go write me a fuse filesystem that contains directories for evince, eog, gvim, abiword, gnumeric, etc. then when you write a file to a directory it spawn a copy of the program and opens the file
12 17:01:00 tommost That sounds nifty.
12 17:01:00 tommost Why not just use gnome-open?
12 17:02:00 andy753421 if i were going to do that, i'd use plumb
12 17:02:00 compuwizard123_ that sounds like watching a directory for files
12 17:02:00 andy753421 yea, i was just thinking that you could probably also do that with inotifywait
12 17:02:00 Morasique fuse would be good for it though, and pretty trivial
12 17:03:00 tommost Why would you want to do that, though?
12 17:03:00 Morasique it'd be excellent if it wiped the file after you closed the program, i'd use that all the time
12 17:03:00 andy753421 tommost: the problem with gnome-open, is that you can't specify a program
12 17:03:00 andy753421 for instance, sometimes you might want to open a .txt in abiword, and sometimes in gvim
12 17:03:00 andy753421 although, you could easily enough have a directory for gnome-open
12 17:04:00 andy753421 Morasique: i figured i'd just put it in /tmp/ and have it wiped when i reboot
12 17:04:00 Morasique i would use it for opening things on the internet, like if i want to open a pdf i would just save it to the xpdf folder
12 17:04:00 Morasique i already have a thing that auto-opens any pdf i save in /tmp, but this is more generic
12 17:04:00 tommost I just have gnome-open as the default Firefox opener.
12 17:04:00 tommost Well, inasmuch as Firefox actually has a default program.
12 17:04:00 tommost I really hate that part of Firefox; it's an utter mess.
12 17:05:00 Morasique firefox default opening is completely screwed up on my machine, i stopped using it ages ago
12 17:06:00 tommost How do you avoid it?
12 17:07:00 cce891ed_ firefox never autoopens naything
12 17:08:00 andy753421 edit -> preferences -> applications, probably
13 20:22:00 cce891ed_ someone should install go on the lug server
13 20:29:00 Morasique why would it need to be on the lug server?
13 20:30:00 cce891ed_ hmm?
13 20:32:00 Morasique what's the reason for installing go on the lug server?
13 20:32:00 cce891ed_ yeah, i guess in retrospect python on the lyg server seems unnecessary as well
13 20:33:00 Morasique are you planning on writing go scripts you need to run on the lug server or something?
13 20:34:00 cce891ed_ not particularly, but why wouldn't we want it on the server?
13 20:35:00 Morasique there's no reason not to, i was just curious
13 20:36:00 cce891ed_ i mean, i guess the reason is the same reason we have gcc, perl, python, ruby, tcl, &c. installed
13 20:38:00 Morasique we have gcc installed because gentoo has a hard time without it. the system uses perl scripts, i at the very least use python scripts on there, and andy uses ruby. no idea why tcl is on there
13 22:01:00 kleinjt wtf, no gforth
13 22:09:00 andy7534211 perl, python, and gcc are all required (portage, perl's used for everything, etc)
13 22:10:00 andy7534211 i think we were planning on installing a bunch more language on it back in the day, but all the ebuilds failed and i didn't feel like debugging them
13 22:12:00 andy7534211 from what I can tell, clisp, gforth, ghc, and plt-scheme all failed
13 22:12:00 andy7534211 and there's no ebuild for go..
14 20:23:00 povilusr-laptop1 in matlab i have a 2 vectors, an x vector and a y vector, i want to eleminate all datapoints where x is < 4 and y is > 1 any ideas
14 21:30:00 kleinjt sadly, yes..
14 21:32:00 kleinjt what sort of and is that?
14 21:40:00 kleinjt http://vpaste.net/rHT6H? , please let there be a better way
14 21:48:00 kleinjt and on second thought, it also doesn't work
14 21:50:00 andy753421 what does your data look like?
14 21:50:00 andy753421 er, what are x and y, i guess i should say
14 21:55:00 andy753421 mask = x<4 | y>1; x(mask)=[]; y(mask)=[]; ?
15 13:42:00 aricofdacia Greetings. I've got a small WINE problem and wondered if anyone could help me with it.- 9.04 Ubuntu x64.
15 13:44:00 tommost__ crr might be able to.
15 13:44:00 tommost__ Just go ahead and describe it.
15 13:46:00 aricofdacia The program I am trying to run appears only in the tray and in top in the terminal but otherwise the windows are not appearing on the screen
15 13:48:00 aricofdacia the right click menu from the tray icon does nothing to show the program at this point in time and the only accessible items in that pull down menu is to open the preferences window and to close the program itself
15 14:14:00 kleinjt ...
16 17:25:00 Morasique http://sprunge.us/OSEQ?irc
16 17:25:00 Morasique i like him
16 17:49:00 tommost My public key login on the LUG server isn't working... is anyone else having this problem?
16 17:49:00 tommost My password doesn't work either.
16 17:49:00 andy753421 yep, checking it out
16 17:49:00 Morasique hmm. it worked yesterday
16 17:53:00 tommost So it's broken for everyone else?
16 17:54:00 andy753421 yes
16 17:54:00 tommost Okay.
16 17:59:00 andy753421 slapd died again, i'm looking into it to see if I can figure out what was going on
16 18:01:00 tommost__ It works now for me.
16 18:01:00 Morasique i thought it was on some kind of restart loop because of this
16 18:03:00 andy753421 Morasique: that's ethernet ;)
16 18:03:00 Morasique ah good
16 18:04:00 andy753421 this has only happened once before, and i suspected the problem was due to a bad library which was fixed, but it seems i was wrong
16 18:17:00 andy753421 ok, slapd might go bonkers for a minute
16 18:18:00 Morasique that's always a danger it seems
18 02:05:00 Morasique andy753421: http://sprunge.us/dLSe
18 02:07:00 Morasique it's apparently only new shells, the shell i opened a few minutes ago is fine
18 02:09:00 andy753421 http://vpaste.net/MsEO1
18 02:09:00 Morasique that makes me sad
18 02:09:00 Morasique what's the ldap trickery to change my shell?
18 02:09:00 andy753421 eh?
18 02:09:00 Morasique er. never mind, everything's fine again
18 02:09:00 Morasique that was weird
18 02:10:00 andy753421 it's chsh.ldap btw
18 02:10:00 Morasique ah, thanks
18 02:10:00 tommost__ Ah, interesting.
18 02:11:00 tommost__ You should document that on the server's wiki page.
18 02:11:00 andy753421 does the server even have a page on the wiki?
18 02:11:00 Morasique or just link chsh to it
18 02:11:00 Morasique damn it, it's failing again
18 02:12:00 Morasique i can't even ssh
18 02:12:00 Morasique and now it's fine
18 02:12:00 andy753421 i blame all your bots
18 02:12:00 Morasique don't hate on wootbot
18 02:13:00 tommost__ wootbot?
18 02:13:00 Morasique #rhwoot
18 02:14:00 Morasique what "resource" is temporarily unavailable? file handles?
18 02:14:00 Morasique i'm trying to lsof, but it's complaining again
18 02:14:00 andy753421 maybe, you're rather close ot that limit
18 02:14:00 andy753421 you've got 751/1024 open
18 02:14:00 Morasique that's not really rather close, but that is high
18 02:14:00 Morasique what's using them all?
18 02:14:00 andy753421 java, i suspect
18 02:14:00 Morasique can you be more specific?
18 02:15:00 tommost__ Your UrT bot?
18 02:15:00 Morasique is it actually that?
18 02:15:00 tommost__ No idea.
18 02:15:00 Morasique i think it's the wootbot, killing it seems to have helped
18 02:15:00 Morasique i don't know why though
18 02:16:00 andy753421 http://vpaste.net/kQDSt?
18 02:16:00 Morasique hmm. apparently one instance has been running since the last woot-off, not connected to any channels
18 02:16:00 Morasique oops
18 02:18:00 Morasique i imagine not closing the url stream in wootbot is a problem
18 02:18:00 Morasique damn you garbage collection
18 02:18:00 tommost__ What is wootbot written in?
18 02:18:00 Morasique java
18 02:18:00 Morasique it's like the other bots, same framework
18 02:18:00 tommost__ sighs
18 02:19:00 Morasique sorry, the python framework sucked
18 02:19:00 tommost__ You should use Twisted.
18 02:19:00 andy753421 you should use bash, *cough* luglog *cough*
18 02:19:00 Morasique tommost__: is that an irc framework?
18 02:19:00 Morasique andy753421: luglog can't even talk
18 02:19:00 tommost__ Morasique: It's an asynchronous network application library, yes.
18 02:20:00 Morasique tommost__: that sounded like a no
18 02:20:00 Morasique tommost__: will it take more than two lines of code to connect to irc and join a channel?
18 02:20:00 tommost__ http://code.google.com/p/pyfibot/
18 02:20:00 tommost__ Morasique: Oh hell yes.
18 02:20:00 tommost__ Like twenty.
18 02:20:00 Morasique psh
18 02:21:00 Morasique hugs pircbot
18 02:21:00 tommost__ http://dpaste.com/121856/
18 02:21:00 Morasique oh, it actually is an irc library though
18 02:22:00 tommost__ Yeah, it supports a bunch of protocols.
18 02:26:00 luglog Morasique: so you think..
18 02:26:00 Morasique tricks
18 02:29:00 andy753421 yea, so, if you wanted to extend luglog, all you'd have to do is put in more `if [[ "$line" =~ pattern ]]; then; <commands>; fi's
18 02:29:00 tommost__ Yet it would still be written in bash.
18 02:32:00 andy753421 you could probably refactor it into awk, that'd actually be pretty cool
18 02:33:00 tommost__ That *might* be better.
18 22:59:00 Morasique https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047
18 22:59:00 Morasique fedora++
18 22:59:00 Morasique after all the mocking of debian, i hope fedora gets laughed at for a while
18 23:00:00 tommost__ Yeah, we just had a discussion of that in #rhnoise.
18 23:00:00 Morasique oh. well, i blame you for putting it in the wrong channel
18 23:01:00 tommost__ Blame RHKratos
18 23:01:00 Morasique ok. as long as it's not my fault, i'm ambivalent
18 23:37:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure richard hughes is a pseudonym for ulrich drepper
18 23:38:00 rthc heh, i saw someone link you to a paper by drepper and i laughed
19 00:16:00 Morasique that paper was actually really useful though, apparently he's not a total asshole all the time
19 00:18:00 tommost__ His memory paper?
19 00:18:00 Morasique what? it was a paper on thread-local storage
19 00:18:00 tommost__ Oh, link?
19 00:18:00 tommost__ He also wrote a paper on memory and caching.
19 00:19:00 Morasique http://people.redhat.com/drepper/tls.pdf
19 00:19:00 tommost__ "What every programmer should know about memory" is the title.
19 00:20:00 tommost__ Heh, it has those same blue headers.
19 00:20:00 tommost__ This one is shorter, though.
19 00:20:00 Morasique a lot of it is specific to certain architectures, it's not very long in the parts that matter
20 00:06:00 andy753421 someone should make a firefox plugin that prevents javascript from changing the visibility, position, and size of things
20 00:07:00 andy753421 actually, i guess those probably used for a lot of things..
20 00:08:00 andy753421 maybe just position..
20 00:20:00 Morasique you could probably write a greasemonkey script that just overrides those functions, you can override pretty much anything in javascript
20 00:21:00 andy753421 can you override '='?
20 00:22:00 tommost__ andy753421: Not in general, but if you know the name of the property, yes.
20 00:32:00 tommost__ (That is to say, you can create getters and setters on objects.)
20 03:05:00 andy753421 for anyone that is unaware, samsung i sponsoring development of E17, which is awesome
20 03:06:00 tommost__ What's in 17?
20 03:06:00 tommost__ More crazy bitmapped eye-candy?
20 03:06:00 andy753421 tommost__: like.. everything
20 03:07:00 andy753421 and yes, crazy bitmapped eye candy that runs on low-end hardware
20 03:07:00 andy753421 apparently they implemented 3d graphics or something too
20 03:07:00 tommost__ Pssh, then it's not Enlightenment any more.
20 03:10:00 andy753421 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcxNQ
20 03:10:00 andy753421 eye candy at the bottom
20 03:10:00 tommost__ Freaking Flash...
20 03:13:00 tommost__ Well, the last one is kinda crazy.
20 03:31:00 andy753421 i really hope that whatever the end up making kills android..
20 03:32:00 tommost__ Mmm-hmm. Android is just weird, and not Linuxy at all.
20 03:34:00 andy753421 i suspect it will not be quite as nice as maemo, but probably better for consumer devices
20 03:34:00 tommost__ Yeah, now that Maemo is going Qt...
20 03:34:00 andy753421 oh really?
20 03:34:00 andy753421 wait, no..
20 03:34:00 tommost__ Nokia bought Trolltech a while back.
20 03:35:00 andy753421 O RLY!?
20 03:35:00 andy753421 did they actually stay they're converting maemo to qt though? that seems like it would be rather hard, isn't it pretty glib/gtk/gnome based?
20 03:36:00 tommost__ I know they said that they'd be using it more, at least for Symbian. I haven't heard anything specific, though.
20 03:36:00 tommost__ It's not in Maemo 5 in the N900.
20 03:36:00 tommost__ But they were talking about it for Maemo 6.
20 13:52:00 compuwizard123_ andy753421: javascript change position/size of what? windows? i know that in firefox options next to the javascript enable checkbox there is an advanced button which allows you to change what javascript can do to the browser
20 14:00:00 Morasique i think he means elements on the page
20 17:14:00 tommost Yeah, he has long-standing issues with web apps doing funky stuff. He should probably just use NoScript.
20 18:19:00 andy7534211 yea, elements, i suspect blocking that would prevent most types of javascript based in-page pop-up adds
20 18:20:00 tommost__ Using AdBlock would work better, and not break everything forever.
20 18:20:00 andy7534211 hm.. i though i had that installed
20 18:21:00 andy7534211 must have been deleted when i reinstalled/updated firefox or something
20 23:58:00 andy7534211 for mutt users: http://vpaste.net/da4wG?
20 23:58:00 andy7534211 and for muttrc: http://vpaste.net/NxEoo?
21 15:56:00 Morasique win: http://sprunge.us/iaSH
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