01 00:25:00 kleinjt sr
01 00:25:00 kleinjt er...
01 00:25:00 kleinjt wrong terminal
03 15:26:00 Morasique "Your Java environment is sane. Congratulations!"
03 15:26:00 Morasique celebrates
03 15:36:00 Morasique damn. emerge world always breaks mplayer
03 15:44:00 tommost__ Compiling mplayer from source is not fun.
03 15:44:00 tommost__ It made our robot unable to seen. :'(
03 15:45:00 Morasique it depends on loads of libraries, so updating my whole system pretty much always breaks it somehow
03 15:45:00 Morasique apparently i have kdelibs installed. i demand to know how this happened
03 15:46:00 tommost s/een/ee/
03 16:03:00 Morasique i might die before kdelibs finishes compiling
03 16:03:00 Morasique for the ~2 kde programs i have
03 17:08:00 Morasique woo mplayer
03 19:00:00 kleinjt could I be deputized with permissions to install matlab r2009a on the lug server?
03 19:01:00 kleinjt I'm working on a project which needs some new image processing libraries introduced in r2009a, and waiting five or more minutes for each run is getting a bit boring.
03 19:37:00 andy753421 kleinjt: you've got write access to /opt/matlabR2009a
03 19:39:00 andy753421 you folks still at rose should try to get the csse dept (or someone) to pay for LPI certification
03 19:40:00 andy753421 the first level at least looks super easy, here's their first example question.. http://dpaste.com/102167/
03 19:41:00 Morasique for all they know there is a boy command that displays help info
03 19:48:00 Morasique andy753421: why are all your dpastes titled "GTK based SWT Library"
03 19:48:00 Morasique ?
03 19:57:00 andy753421 Morasique: I don't know..
03 19:57:00 rthc does anyone actually care about such certs? i can't imagine someone who would
03 19:58:00 andy753421 auchter: i don't know, i was assuming that people who wear suits would
03 19:58:00 andy753421 Morasique: I use wgetpaste, so i imagine it has to do with tht
03 19:58:00 rthc hm, maybe, but it's likely that i don't want to work for such people
03 20:03:00 andy753421 time to fix the power cord on the laptop.. it's ashame i can't just have iait replace it every few months anymore..
03 20:08:00 rthc did your harddrive ever die?
03 20:13:00 andy7534211 I really hope epoxy is non-conductive...
03 20:13:00 andy7534211 auchter: no, and i'm pissed about it
03 20:14:00 andy7534211 although, i did manage to get the screen, power cord, motherboard, hinges, keyboard, mouse, and case replaced...
03 20:14:00 andy7534211 *and battery
04 04:01:00 Morasique somebody should let me know if this is cool, i can't get it to work: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9qn0j/highprecision_progress_bar_in_bash/
04 04:16:00 andy753421 works for me, but i don't think i'll ever actually use it
05 13:42:00 rr72 ok so IAIT gives us corrupt drives?
05 13:52:00 Morasique er. what?
05 13:54:00 rr72 when trying to install *ubuntu on my laptop it doesn't see the ntfs partition
05 13:54:00 rr72 so it wants to install over it since it thinks it is the only one there.
05 13:54:00 Morasique did you try gparted?
05 13:55:00 Morasique it might not work if you didn't shut down windows correctly. http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Ubuntu_install_guide#Fix_NTFS
05 13:55:00 rr72 it won't resize it because the drive has an error or two so I chkdsk and HP hdd test all day
05 13:56:00 rr72 tried that
05 13:56:00 Morasique are you hibernating windows?
05 13:56:00 rr72 nope
05 13:56:00 rr72 i have but not in a few weeks
05 13:57:00 Morasique as long as you shut down windows correctly before booting into ubuntu it should stop complaining, unless the drive actually does have a problem
05 13:57:00 Morasique you can have someone in lug look at it maybe
05 13:57:00 rr72 Morasique: not at school
05 13:58:00 rr72 might go to the head of KDE doc team to see if he can fix it
05 13:58:00 Morasique mmk
05 13:58:00 rr72 if partition magic sees it and will resize it then I am good
05 14:05:00 rmr hey guys
05 14:07:00 Morasique well done :)
05 14:08:00 rmr hey, do any of you know if there is a linux version of Logger Pro some where out on the network?
05 14:08:00 Morasique there's a linux folder on tibia you can poke around in
05 14:08:00 rmr alright
05 14:41:00 tommost_ Er, if he comes back someone should mention that it runs in Wine.
05 14:42:00 tommost_ I don't know about the capture, but I've done graphs and such with it without issue.
05 15:54:00 rr73 my hd is screwed over and I can't format because that will remove windows XP and they don't give us cds to reinstall, going to install it on an external hd then.
05 15:59:00 tommost That was random.
05 16:23:00 Morasique i guess he thought we might want an update
05 16:58:00 collinjc Hmm. Anyone know where the script that pulls in the debian mirror on the lug server is located? andy7534211, perhaps?
05 16:58:00 collinjc I'm trying to find out if we are pulling the security mirror as well.
05 16:59:00 collinjc I would have expected to find it in rsyncd.conf, but it is not there.
05 17:03:00 tommost crontab -e?
05 17:03:00 Morasique collinjc: does the crontab specify filenames?
05 17:03:00 Morasique yeah, that
05 18:45:00 andy7534211 ^ what they said
05 18:55:00 collinjc I can't find it in cron.
05 18:56:00 andy7534211 it's in lug's crontab
05 18:56:00 collinjc Aha, that would do it.
05 18:56:00 collinjc Interesting. Are we even mirroring debian?
05 18:56:00 andy7534211 not actively :(
05 18:57:00 collinjc Well then that goes a step further in answering my question I suppose.
05 18:57:00 andy7534211 there's a script under ~lug/htdocs/mirror/scripts/debian.sh but i'm not sure if i finished it
05 18:58:00 collinjc I'll check it out.
05 18:58:00 collinjc Though I suspect I'm the only one who needs a debian mirror, so maybe I shouldn't worry about it.
05 19:52:00 kleinjt matlab is getting annoyed that I don't have superuser permissions when installing matlab :/
05 19:54:00 kleinjt er.. context is lug server, living in /opt/matlabR2009a
05 20:02:00 andy7534211 is it trying to install symlinks or something?
05 20:06:00 kleinjt that too, erm, nevermind.
05 20:06:00 andy7534211 er, ok
05 20:29:00 kleinjt hrm, well not any more, now I'm getting this when I try to install it: http://dpaste.com/103062/
05 20:29:00 Morasique wrong version of awk?
05 20:33:00 andy7534211 hm.. let me try running installing it as root, i'm not sure if it'll help though
05 20:33:00 andy7534211 nope
05 20:36:00 tommost How do you guys lay out your résume\
05 20:36:00 tommost ́s in LaTeX?
05 20:36:00 Morasique tommost: COLUMN RULE
05 20:36:00 tommost Tables?
05 20:37:00 Morasique i use hfill when i want to right-align stuff, that's about it
05 20:38:00 andy7534211 http://dpaste.com/103063/
05 20:40:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/resume_tex.tex
05 20:40:00 kleinjt http://www.rpi.edu/dept/arc/training/latex/resumes/ , I use res9a
05 20:42:00 Morasique i like how that looks, but the dedicated column thing always seemed like a huge waste of space
05 20:43:00 andy7534211 yea, i hate having a separate column for stuff, so I do a subsection and then indent everything below it
05 20:44:00 tommost I'm fond of the separate column, and I know my résumé fits, because I did it in Word and it did.
05 20:44:00 tommost There's just some stuff that I'm not sure how to lay out in LaTeX without nesting tables, or one really really nasty table.
05 20:44:00 Morasique think of all the extra space you'll get when you have proper ligatures. you could add paragraphs
05 20:45:00 tommost Yeah, silly tech com.
05 20:45:00 andy7534211 tommost i used to use a really big table for getting all the alignments correct, but then i gave up on that and converted it to use fixed widths..
05 20:46:00 tommost Yeah, the problem is that LaTeX tables don't autosize when you put wrapping text in them, so you'd just end up doing stuff manually anyway.
05 20:46:00 Morasique the tabbing environment lets you set tabstops, is that what you want?
05 20:47:00 tommost I've looked at it, but I'm unsure how it will interact with wrapping bullet points.
05 20:48:00 andy7534211 i manually break my lines anyway
05 20:48:00 Morasique there's some itemize thing exactly for that i think
05 20:48:00 Morasique i used it once
05 20:49:00 Morasique asparaitem
05 20:49:00 Morasique (paralist is the package)
05 20:49:00 tommost Hmm.
05 20:49:00 Morasique did you look at kleinjt's link? it looks just like your resume
05 20:50:00 tommost The header is wrong.
05 20:50:00 Morasique you can't customize that part?
05 20:51:00 Morasique judging from the tex that part has nothing to do with the resume environment, the resume environment just does the column thing
05 20:51:00 tommost The resume environment auto-inserts that bit, though.
05 20:51:00 andy7534211 what do you want the header to look like?
05 20:51:00 tommost I'll see if I can disable it.
05 20:52:00 andy7534211 i'm a fan how of fanyhdr worked on mine
05 20:52:00 tommost http://jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/lnk/header.pdf
05 20:53:00 tommost andy7534211: What does that look like?
05 20:53:00 tommost I'm not too attached to that look, I just object to the way it didn't provide a way to list my e-mail address and phone number separately.
05 20:53:00 Morasique you can definitely change the header, but it does seem to insist on indenting it, which is inconvenient
05 20:54:00 Morasique ooo. adding line to the documentclass args draws the horizontal rule like yours has
05 20:55:00 tommost I don't have a line...
05 20:55:00 tommost Er, well, I did in the old one.
05 20:55:00 tommost But now I want to list both addresses.
05 20:57:00 andy7534211 tommost: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/header.pdf
05 20:57:00 tommost Hmm, not so fond of that.
05 20:57:00 tommost The vertical alignment is chaotic.
05 20:57:00 Morasique it might be easier making your own, i can't hack res9a to make it work easily
05 20:57:00 tommost Very space-saving, though.
05 20:58:00 tommost Yeah, I was going to make my own.
05 20:58:00 Morasique you should just put all the text on top of one another for maximum efficiency
05 20:58:00 tommost The header I have looks fine. I'm just not sure how to typeset the rest of the thing.
05 20:58:00 andy7534211 yea, the vertical alignment was better when I had a two-line address
05 20:59:00 andy7534211 speaking of addresses, has anyone ever used a P.O. Box?
05 21:00:00 andy7534211 I've been tempted to get one so I don't have to change my address whenever I move, but i would rather just have the post office forward mail instead of keeping it at the post office.. it seems like that wouldn't be to hard for them to do
05 21:05:00 Morasique tommost: you were right, bullets are turning out to be harder than expected
05 21:05:00 tommost When I did it in OO.o I had it all on tabstops and just inserted the bullet character at the right place.
05 21:10:00 tommost Wrapping text in a table is a pain. :'(
05 21:10:00 Morasique because tables suck, huge
05 21:10:00 tommost Yes.
05 21:11:00 tommost How do you make it not indent the table?
05 21:12:00 andy7534211 i don't know if you can do this in latex, but can you print the left-column-heading, print a carriage return, and then just set the body using a large left-margin?
05 21:12:00 tommost I have no idea. I'm going to investigate how res.cls does it.
05 21:20:00 rthc http://sprunge.us/FTQi resume class i use, it's adapted from someone else's, though i forget the original source
05 21:20:00 rthc there are some bugs that i've never fixed, as they're just minor inconveniences
05 21:21:00 tommost What does it look like?
05 21:27:00 rthc https://phire.org/tmp/resume.pdf
05 21:27:00 rthc i want to change some formatting on it. i suppose i'll have to do that tomorrow.
05 21:28:00 tommost That looks nice.
05 21:29:00 tommost Aside from the hyphens for date ranges.
05 21:29:00 tommost Those should be en dashes.
05 21:29:00 rthc that'll fall under stuff i do tomorrow once i'm done with this evil exam
05 21:30:00 tommost I'll do a variant of yours, if you don't mind.
05 21:30:00 rthc go right ahead; i should probably find the original author just to make a note of it
06 05:26:00 andy7534211 muhahaha: http://andy753421.ath.cx/vpaste/dvPfL?ft=python%20tw=4%20bg=light
06 05:36:00 andy7534211 (i suppose that's more useful if you use ts=4 instead of tw=4..)
06 11:20:00 tommost_ andy753421: Bad news, it looks like the leak is in OpenCV's capture functions, according to the mailing list.
06 12:06:00 rthc hey, someone should create a quadruplex group on the lug server..
06 12:08:00 Morasique i volunteer
06 18:26:00 kleinjt well, I got matlab on the lug server. apparently the copy off dfs fails in comparison to the one off tibia
06 20:07:00 kleinjt well, matlab installs, but complains about a lack of [#rhlug] well, matlab installs, but complains about a lack of
06 20:07:00 kleinjt hrm, not what I was going for.
06 20:07:00 kleinjt how about libXpm,
06 20:07:00 kleinjt which is odd, since it complains even when asked to not start X
06 20:08:00 andy753421 ldd dependency?
06 20:09:00 andy753421 (installed libXpm)
06 20:11:00 kleinjt I noticed, cool
06 20:11:00 kleinjt it gets past that
06 20:12:00 kleinjt and errors out somewhere else, the journey contines
06 20:16:00 kleinjt mmkay, works
06 20:16:00 kleinjt apparently license.txt and license.dat aren't the same
06 20:17:00 kleinjt well, they are now.
06 20:19:00 andy753421 whoo, i made vpaste better, it doesn't expand tabs by default now :)
06 20:27:00 tommost That's an improvement?
06 20:29:00 andy753421 i would say so, it think it'd be annoying if you pasted source code and it changed all your indentation..
06 20:29:00 tommost That's assuming that a tab width of 8 is what you expect. Which is probably wrong, if you're sane.
06 20:30:00 tommost Sane != GNU, BTW.
06 20:31:00 andy753421 well if them expanded you can still do `?et ts=4' or something :)
06 20:32:00 tommost I meant for viewing in Firefox.
06 20:33:00 andy753421 you can :) http://andy753421.ath.cx/vpaste/vpaste?ft=sh%20et%20ts=2
07 14:40:00 kleinjt are there any limits on memory usage on the lug server?
07 14:47:00 kleinjt hrm, nevermind, they stopped
08 16:11:00 kleinjt should I send out a meeting notice? I'm not aware of any planned presentations.
08 16:12:00 Morasique have there been any presentations this year?
08 16:14:00 kleinjt I gave a lame on on urxvt last week
08 16:14:00 kleinjt short of that, no.
08 16:14:00 Morasique glad to see i'm not missing anything
08 16:14:00 kleinjt only the bbq
08 16:16:00 Morasique :(
08 17:47:00 collinjc_lug Anyone happen to know what port the lug server is using for LDAP? I'm attempting to point to it for my address book.
08 18:44:00 andy753421 collinjc_lug you could nmap it, although you can usually just use ldaps://lug.rose-hulman.edu/
08 20:05:00 Morasique this guy has to be lying: http://sprunge.us/UHIT?irc
08 20:07:00 andy753421 well, technically, debian is not the copyright owner :)
08 20:09:00 andy753421 one of my friends in China apparently can't access any of the ubuntu repositories either..
08 20:20:00 Morasique does anyone actually have /dev/dsp?
08 20:20:00 Morasique i see it mentioned all the time, i've never seen it on a linux machine
08 20:21:00 andy753421 i do
08 20:21:00 tommost I do.
08 20:22:00 Morasique what provides it? OSS?
08 20:23:00 Morasique i thought it might be a hardware thing, but apparently not
08 20:24:00 Morasique ah. yeah, apparently it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_System#API
08 20:26:00 andy753421 http://andy753421.ath.cx/vpaste/yKERS?
08 20:27:00 andy753421 i bet sprunge doesn't have kconfig highlighting :P
08 20:30:00 Morasique to this day i don't understand the kernel config
08 20:30:00 Morasique the option doesn't show up, and i can't figure out how to get it
08 20:30:00 Morasique it depends on SOUND && SND && !M68K
08 20:31:00 Morasique although M68K depends on M68K, so clearly i don't understand what "depends" means
08 20:32:00 Morasique woo i made it appear
08 20:33:00 Morasique i wish options didn't disappear when dependencies aren't met, they should get grayed out or something
08 20:33:00 Morasique thanks
08 20:33:00 andy753421 yea, that would be nice, there should at least be some way to say `add this and all dependencies'
09 10:37:00 kleinjt apparently the make install step is kinda important...
09 10:37:00 Morasique bah. just run it from the source folder
09 10:39:00 kleinjt that isn't a very clean option for avr-libc
09 10:39:00 rthc so do a make install?
09 10:41:00 kleinjt rthc: yes, thank you. my problems are solved
09 10:44:00 Morasique rthc saves the day again
09 11:02:00 tommost_ FYI, if you export a PDF from OO.o with the PDF/A-1 option checked Adobe Reader can't open it, and will make you regret trying.
09 11:04:00 tommost I discovered this with my résumé, so lots of fun.
09 11:06:00 rthc i think we warned you numerous times about OOo and resumes
09 11:07:00 Morasique i was just being annoying, i didn't know there was actually a problem
09 11:08:00 tommost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A
09 11:08:00 rthc regardless of intent, if he had listened he wouldn't have had any problems ;)
09 11:08:00 Morasique .wik Digital Dark Age
09 11:08:00 Morasique nice
09 11:09:00 Morasique er. wrong channel. well, link it yourselves
09 11:17:00 kleinjt That would be a nice name for a cyberpunk/medieval movie.
09 11:19:00 kleinjt or at least a sci-fi miniseries
09 22:34:00 andy753421 does anyone know of a command that cuts off the text in a terminal that would end up getting line-wrapped?
09 22:36:00 andy753421 eh, i guess cut -c1-$COLUMNS will work
10 03:21:00 andy753421 you should all put this in make.conf: PORTAGE_IONICE_COMMAND="ionice -c 3 -p \${PID}"
11 00:18:00 andy7534211 does anyone know of a zsh command to go to the next/previous argument even if the arguments contain spaces?
11 11:21:00 Morasique wtf. my desktop kernel panicked 20 minutes into a movie without me touching it
11 11:35:00 rthc oh, don't mind that, it's just the new anti-piracy measures introduced into the mainline kernel by the MPAA
11 14:34:00 andy753421 it worked, it actually worked
11 14:34:00 Morasique what worked?
11 14:34:00 andy753421 i just ran uzbl.. in directfb
11 14:34:00 Morasique er. seriously?
11 14:35:00 andy753421 yep, take that X
11 14:35:00 Morasique a browser is seriously the only reason i run X anymore
11 14:35:00 Morasique all i ever have open is firefox and terminals
11 14:35:00 andy753421 yea, i'm really really tempted to delete X now
11 14:36:00 andy753421 although, that would probably limit my work on aweather.. seeing as how that uses opengl which i assume doesn't work under directfb
11 14:36:00 rthc wow. howto on the wiki?
11 14:36:00 rthc hint, hint
11 14:36:00 Morasique indeed
11 14:36:00 andy753421 auchter: sure, i need to figure out how to get the keyboard working with uzbl first though..
11 14:36:00 rthc ...
11 14:36:00 Morasique ah. there were some caveats to the "works under directfb"
11 14:36:00 andy753421 and how to resize the window.. and how to close it without sysrq-r ing of the vt
11 14:37:00 Morasique i doubt you can resize without a window manager
11 14:37:00 andy753421 i'm not sure if the keyboard thing is a problem with uzbl or directfb
11 14:37:00 rthc get dwm running directfb
11 14:37:00 andy753421 well then full-screen it at least
11 14:38:00 andy753421 i'm thinking directfb doesn't really use window managers...
11 14:38:00 Morasique i think uzbl takes gtk options, you can try --geometry
11 14:38:00 andy753421 i don't know, i haven't researched it much yet
11 14:41:00 andy753421 either it doesn't like --geometry or I don't know how to use it
11 14:42:00 Morasique i've never tried it, i just thought it worked
11 14:44:00 andy753421 i've determined that it's uzbl that doesn't like the keyboard (typing works in gtk-demo)
11 14:45:00 andy753421 i also need to figure out how to run things as not-root..
11 14:45:00 Morasique nonsense. there's no need for any account besides root. i'm going to go add that to the install guide right now
11 15:01:00 andy753421 it apparently has it's won `window manager' http://vpaste.net/NXUlF?
11 15:55:00 andy753421 er.. so i figured out why typing wasn't working...
11 15:55:00 andy753421 .. i never set up a uzbl config file for root :(
11 18:14:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/DirectFB
11 18:15:00 andy753421 someone go do that, fix all my typos, and tell me if it works
11 18:19:00 Morasique "This section is gentoo specific"
11 18:19:00 Morasique awesome
11 18:19:00 Morasique as opposed to the part where you compile the kernel yourself. which most ubuntu users do
11 18:20:00 andy753421 yea, probably the whole thing is gentoo specific..
11 19:14:00 rthc i'll give it a try over break sometime
11 20:15:00 Morasique http://www.physorg.com/news173104436.html
11 20:18:00 rthc i wonder how long until he boots one million plan9 kernels
12 09:55:00 andy753421 what do you guys have your keyboard repeat rate set to? (xset q | grep rate)
12 10:00:00 Morasique 30
12 10:00:00 andy753421 what about the delay?
12 10:00:00 Morasique 500
12 10:01:00 andy753421 mine was at 660:25 by default which seems really slow
12 10:01:00 Morasique both my machines are 500:30 and i doubt i've ever touched it, so i think it's the default
12 10:02:00 andy753421 ok, that's odd, i was thinking mine used to be faster a while back, but i don't remember ever changing it either
12 10:08:00 rthc
12 10:12:00 andy753421 auchter: i think you mentioned wanting a stable version of the kernel at one point: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=122375909403298&w=2
12 10:13:00 rthc cool. it's not so much that i wanted a stable kernel, it just seems that almost every new kernel release breaks something major with the binary drivers i have to use
12 10:13:00 rthc i don't remember this happening nearly as often back a few years ago
12 23:33:00 ZetaSyanthis If I dual boot two linux distros, do I need to have seperate swap partitions for each?
12 23:34:00 rthc nope
12 23:34:00 rthc unless you're planning to hibernate to one
12 23:35:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever heard of someone dual booting two distros
12 23:35:00 rthc i've done it on occasion; i know andy753421 keeps around a slackware partition on his machine as well
12 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis I need ubuntu for a project it has packages for, but I use arch mainly
12 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis hence the question
12 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis I've never tried to run both at once, as one's installation coincided with me wanting to reinstall the other
12 23:37:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: er. you can install things that aren't in aur
12 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis so at that time I just overwrote it
12 23:38:00 ZetaSyanthis Morasique: yes, but tinyos is fucked up enough without adding that complexity
12 23:38:00 ZetaSyanthis tinyos being the packages I require
12 23:38:00 ZetaSyanthis arch doesn't really have anything reliable for it
12 23:39:00 ZetaSyanthis tbh, keeping a small ubuntu install around in case I need it isn't a poor choice either
12 23:39:00 Morasique yeah, but installing a new distro because you want a particular program is usually a bit overboard. go for it though
12 23:39:00 rthc gentoo has packages
12 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis Morasique: I know, but ubuntu does come in handy sometimes too
12 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis It's mostly a not-trusting-tinyos
12 23:40:00 tommost__ Yeah, Ubuntu is useful to keep around for when you happen to want to use a USB Ethernet adapter or something weird like that.
12 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis actually, if any of you want your head to explode, you should try coding for it
12 23:40:00 rthc erm, i'm not sure how that applies
12 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis It's an object oriented operating system based on java and verilog.
12 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis (It makes about as much sense as that sentence did.)
12 23:41:00 tommost__ And this is a CPE thing?
12 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis tommost__: I blame berkley
12 23:41:00 tommost__ 'cause I'm getting really mixed messages here.
12 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis I think it's a CS/SE who badly wanted to abstract away the hardware for microcontrollers
12 23:42:00 ZetaSyanthis unfortunately, it's completely out of control
12 23:42:00 ZetaSyanthis and at the same time, it seems half-complete
12 23:42:00 ZetaSyanthis the documentation certainly is
12 23:42:00 ZetaSyanthis rthc: so you're saying I just shouldn't hibernate if I do this?
12 23:43:00 ZetaSyanthis or is it okay as long as I restore into that os before booting the other?
12 23:43:00 ZetaSyanthis *distro
12 23:43:00 rthc hibernate to a file on one distro maybe
12 23:43:00 ZetaSyanthis rthc: I have no idea how ubuntu does that by default
12 23:44:00 ZetaSyanthis either way, not a big loss, as I don't do it often
13 05:10:00 andy753421 compiling kernels on the lug server ftw
13 05:13:00 andy753421 hm.. i probably can't do `make modules_install' very well this way..
13 17:04:00 andy753421 heh heh heh
13 17:04:00 andy753421 so i just rewrite init in mk
13 17:05:00 rthc hehe, i remember we were talking about this last year...
13 17:05:00 rthc how's it working?
13 17:05:00 andy753421 pretty good, i just started working on it last night, and i'm running it now
13 17:06:00 andy753421 i'm not quite sure how to actually turn off the power when you type `reboot' or something though
13 17:06:00 andy753421 currently, you have to swtich to VT1, type `halt' into the `mkinit>' prompt, wait for it, and then do alt-sysrq-b
13 17:06:00 rthc poweroff?
13 17:07:00 rthc ah
13 18:07:00 andy753421 I posted the code for mkinit if anyone wants to try it out: https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/mkinit/
13 23:36:00 ZetaSyanthis Hmm, when arch installed, it didn't detect ubuntu and add it to grub's menu.lst
13 23:36:00 Morasique do distros normally do that?
13 23:36:00 ZetaSyanthis no idea, sadly
13 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis this is my first attempt at running dual distros on a machine
13 23:37:00 Morasique i don't think they do, windows is a special case
13 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis I've got windows 7, ubuntu, and arch
13 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis well, arch/grub detected windows
13 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis just not ubuntu
13 23:37:00 Morasique yeah, most distros add windows, but that's it
13 23:38:00 ZetaSyanthis any idea how I would manually add that?
13 23:38:00 Morasique edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or whatever your's is called
13 23:38:00 ZetaSyanthis yeah, I'm looking at it now
13 23:39:00 ZetaSyanthis trying to figure out what the hell I'd put on the kernel and initrd lines
13 23:39:00 Morasique do you have the old grub conf on another partition? you can just copy the lines
13 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't think so... correct me if I'm wrong, but menu.lst is written to the mbr
13 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis nm
13 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis found the lines
13 23:41:00 Morasique no, it's not, grub reads it in when it loads
13 23:41:00 Morasique lilo i think you do write the conf to the mbr
13 23:42:00 ZetaSyanthis people still use lilo?
13 23:42:00 Morasique eyeballs rthc
13 23:42:00 ZetaSyanthis I thought that died a loooong time ago
13 23:42:00 Morasique so did i, until he brought it up
13 23:42:00 Morasique i think i said that exact thing
13 23:43:00 ZetaSyanthis so here's a question... I imagine grub somehow knows which partition to pull menu.lst from
13 23:43:00 ZetaSyanthis How the heck does it know that?
13 23:44:00 Morasique you tell it when you install it to the mbr
13 23:45:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm... I suppose that means I'll have to manually update this every kernel update
13 23:45:00 ZetaSyanthis that's slightly irritating
13 23:45:00 Morasique if your kernel's filename changes you do
13 23:45:00 Morasique you can just overwrite the old one with the new one if you want
13 23:45:00 ZetaSyanthis yeah
13 23:46:00 rthc make menuconfig; make all; cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/ == not annoying at all
13 23:46:00 rthc make menuconfig; make all; cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/; lilo == really damn annoying
13 23:46:00 rthc or at least that's the logic that i see from some people
13 23:46:00 Morasique i wouldn't consider either annoying
13 23:47:00 Morasique i keep old versions of the kernel, so i do have separate filenames and update grub, but it's certainly not mandatory
13 23:47:00 rthc yeah, i keep my previous kernel around too
13 23:47:00 rthc it's just that i often hear people complain about having to run lilo after a kernel upgrade, and they say that grub is better because you don't need to do that
13 23:47:00 rthc i think that's a rather pathetic argument. there are better arguments in favor of grub
13 23:48:00 Morasique i use grub because on the gentoo install guide it's the default and lilo is an "alternative"
13 23:48:00 Morasique i don't really care, as long as it loads my kernel i'm cool
13 23:48:00 ZetaSyanthis rthc: it exists and has some level of knowledgebase being one of them
13 23:49:00 ZetaSyanthis I think the last time I heard someone say something about running lilo was back in freshman year of highschool
13 23:51:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm... that didn't quite work... this could be fun
13 23:59:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, sounds like the solution is to chainload another grub
13 23:59:00 ZetaSyanthis that way both can maintain their own kernel listings
14 00:08:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't suppose anyone would know how to install grub to the partition containing ubuntu
14 00:08:00 ZetaSyanthis in a non-destructive way, ofc
14 00:11:00 Morasique er. the partition containing ubuntu isn't a boot partition
14 00:14:00 ZetaSyanthis aye
14 00:15:00 ZetaSyanthis You install grub to the mbr and then install another copy in one of the distro's root partitions and set one to chainload the other when you select that option
14 00:16:00 Morasique no, you do that. i would never be tempted to do anything of the sort
14 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
14 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis well, I tried the simple way first
14 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis that failed
14 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis ofc
14 00:20:00 ZetaSyanthis sweet
14 00:20:00 ZetaSyanthis that works beautifully
14 03:28:00 andy753421 ~/bin/installkernel ftw: http://vpaste.net/sVWS5?
14 03:29:00 andy753421 (and then just make menuconfig; make; make install)
14 09:49:00 tommost__ ZetaSyanthis: Couldn't you symlink the menu.lst file on the Arch partition from the Ubuntu one? That way it would get updated whenever Ubuntu grabs a new kernel.
14 09:54:00 tommost__ I'm not entirely sure whether it would work (are the kernel paths in grub relative to the active partition, or relative to the disk menu.lst is on?).
14 10:03:00 andy753421 fun comparison of mkinit (~15s) vs. sysvinit (~20s) :)
14 10:03:00 andy753421 (http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/mkinit.png http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/sysvinit.png)
14 10:18:00 rthc are you starting all the same processes?
14 10:22:00 andy753421 mostly (i tried to make them the same, but i might have missed something)
14 10:23:00 andy753421 i think the differences come from sysvinit's rc taking a long time to load, and mkinit doing a much better job at disk utilization
14 10:23:00 rthc yeah, what's with that ~4s delay at the start for sysvinit?
14 10:24:00 andy753421 i think it's rc loading
14 10:24:00 andy753421 and loading all the shell scripts in /etc/init.d/
14 10:24:00 rthc ah, wow.
14 10:26:00 andy753421 i just tried running `rc' (having booted with mkinit) and it took 1.838 seconds to do absolutely nothing: http://vpaste.net/pcZqy?
14 10:27:00 rthc i can see loading & parsing all the init scripts taking some time...
14 10:28:00 andy753421 yea, wc -l tells me it's 2393 lines of init scripts (less that i expected, actually) vs. 182 lines of mk
14 10:28:00 rthc 5s is a pretty good improvement though. i'm tempted to switch, but i don't turn off any of my computers...
14 10:29:00 andy753421 hehe, yea
14 10:29:00 andy753421 well, once you switch you can run `eval exec <whatever>' and then switch to something else without having to reboot ;)
14 12:41:00 Morasique i just discovered from ##linux that you can scroll up in screen. i swore that was impossible
14 12:42:00 tommost__ ...
14 12:42:00 Morasique is that well-known?
14 12:42:00 tommost__ I thought it was.
14 12:43:00 tommost__ Apparently not.
14 12:43:00 Morasique well, at the very least the guy who asked the question in ##linux didn't know, and i bitched about it to Blazeix once, so i'm not the only ignorant one. we might be alone though
14 13:04:00 andy753421 is there an easier way to do it than using escape-arrow_keys?
14 13:04:00 Morasique ctrl+a, esc, pg-up/down is what they said
14 13:05:00 andy753421 ok.. i think that's what i've used, but it's terribly annoying
14 13:07:00 Morasique screen's annoying page behavior helped me once, i accidentally erased the most recent changes to a document, so i hit page up to find a screen that showed the whole text, quickly screenshotted it, and retyped the missing stuff
14 14:06:00 tommost Is there a standard symbol to indicate shift like ^ indicates control?
14 14:09:00 Morasique autohotkey uses +, but i don't know if it's standardized
14 14:10:00 tommost I guess I'll use that, then. I'm using AutoHotkey's # for super already.
14 14:12:00 Morasique the only other place i've needed it is the win api's sendkeys method; it's + there too
14 14:12:00 Morasique alt is % there though, and it's something else in autohotkeys, so who knows
14 14:12:00 tommost Yeah, alt is ! in AutoHotkey.
14 14:12:00 tommost mod1 is alt, right?
14 14:13:00 Morasique by default, but you could change it
14 18:28:00 tommost vpaste.net doesn't do IRC syntax highlighting. :(
14 18:28:00 andy753421 it does irc syntax highlighting for me ;)
14 18:29:00 tommost Well what's the name?
14 18:29:00 tommost http://vpaste.net/nOH7O?irc doesn't work.
14 18:30:00 tommost Oh, I guess it wants irssi-style.
14 18:30:00 tommost sighs
14 18:30:00 andy753421 http://vpaste.net/nOH7O?ft=pidgin for my pidgin logs
14 18:30:00 andy753421 write/find a vim syntax file and ill add it
14 18:31:00 tommost It doesn't handle the fully-qualified dates, unfortunately.
14 18:32:00 tommost You should have pre { white-space: pre-wrap; } in the CSS so that long lines wrap.
14 18:33:00 tommost https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/white-space
14 18:33:00 tommost Nice, the Mozilla developer reference now includes compatibility charts.
14 18:43:00 andy753421 tommost: ok, you can toggle wrapping now by adding wrap/nowrap
14 18:44:00 tommost Cool.
14 18:44:00 tommost Thanks.
14 19:22:00 povilusr-laptop anybody here use QT ?
14 20:33:00 Morasique irssi-style is the only style that matters
15 00:00:00 andy753421 http://vpaste.net/BVXFx?ft=irc
15 00:01:00 tommost Awesome.
15 00:03:00 Morasique ++/-- support. nice
15 00:05:00 andy753421 hm.. the ++--'s disappear when you set bg=light for some reason
15 16:07:00 andy753421 how have i never realized that you can do `rm ./-f'?
15 16:10:00 rthc_ i realized that the other day when i was trying to delete a folder named -
15 16:10:00 rthc_ rm -rf -- - didn't work as i had thought...
15 16:13:00 Morasique andy753421: probably because you don't ever deal with a file named '-f'
16 01:22:00 Morasique "Segmentation fault umount /mnt/cdrom"
16 01:22:00 Morasique odd
16 01:24:00 Morasique "ls: cannot open directory /: Transport endpoint is not connected"
16 01:24:00 Morasique i think my computer is having a heart attack
19 22:52:00 andy753421 hey
19 22:53:00 collinjc_server Stupid AFS.
19 22:53:00 andy753421 was it breaking root login?
19 22:54:00 collinjc_server No, but it was preventing the interface from being brough down.
19 22:54:00 andy753421 hmm
19 22:54:00 andy753421 so it boots by itself now?
19 22:55:00 collinjc_server No, not yet. I'm still trying to figure out what is going on in that respect.
19 22:56:00 andy753421 awesome, so i still have an excuse to install mkinit on it...
19 22:56:00 rthc andy753421++
19 23:02:00 collinjc_server What is mkinit going to do?
19 23:02:00 andy753421 speaking of mkinit, i realized i was being an idiot and then deleted about a theird of the code
19 23:03:00 andy753421 *third
19 23:03:00 andy753421 the rc version of the init daemon should work now too, except i don't think rc reaps its children properly
19 23:04:00 andy753421 collinjc_server: replace /sbin/init, /sbin/rc, /etc/conf.d, /etc/init.d, /etc/runlevels, and a few other things ;)
19 23:06:00 collinjc_server How does that help us?
19 23:06:00 tommost It probably doesn't...
19 23:08:00 andy753421 collinjc_server: i blame init for not brining up the ethernet connection properly, so naturally replacing init will fix the problem :P
19 23:08:00 collinjc_server I'm not so sure init is to blame. It seems to be doing its job and running it. The problem is that it times out on the first attempt.
19 23:09:00 collinjc_server Does it, by chance, try to start openafs first?
19 23:10:00 andy753421 mkinit?
19 23:10:00 collinjc_server No, init.
19 23:10:00 collinjc_server Ah, no, it doesn't try that until it runs net.
19 23:11:00 andy753421 you should check if it's configuring the car to use the vlan properly before running dhcp (e.g. with vconfig)
19 23:11:00 andy753421 *card
19 23:12:00 collinjc_server Where is it setting up the vlan?
19 23:13:00 andy753421 i don't know, it's configured in /etc/conf.d/net
19 23:13:00 andy753421 but the net.* init scripts are around a thousand lines of bash...
19 23:13:00 andy753421 so somewhere in there
19 23:14:00 collinjc_server That's where I was and a quick search didn't seem to find anything.
19 23:19:00 collinjc_server From what I can tell, it seems to set that up before running DHCP.
19 23:22:00 collinjc_server Instead of using a vlan, would it be possible to make use of our second NIC?
19 23:24:00 andy7534211 it might need to load some stuff before vconfig works
19 23:24:00 andy7534211 like udev, or something
19 23:24:00 collinjc_server What is it we are using the vlan for?
19 23:25:00 andy7534211 the cs lab is in the .104 subnet, which is inaccessible from outside rose
19 23:25:00 andy7534211 so the cs dept is using vlan to let the server be on the .40 subnet
19 23:26:00 collinjc_server It seems to me that we should work on fixing that problem. I would imagine it would be possible to get these two jacks on a different subnet.
19 23:27:00 collinjc_server Well, let me correct that. I know it is possible, it is just a question of whether or not someone will actually do it.
19 23:28:00 andy7534211 i'm not sure how it was configured last year, since it wasn't using vlan then
19 23:28:00 andy7534211 i suspect you'd have to talk to darry/mcleish
19 23:29:00 collinjc_server I'll bring it up with the other things I need to bring up with them when I manage to find one of them in their office.
19 23:29:00 collinjc_server Or if Daryl looks at his email.
19 23:30:00 andy7534211 ok
19 23:32:00 collinjc_server In the meantime, would it be worthwhile to add udev as a dependency to net?
19 23:33:00 andy7534211 i don't know if that in particular would help or not
19 23:34:00 andy7534211 i just assume that there's dark magic, because when I was working on mkinit, i had to make a rule that calls `udevadm trigger', which seems to make the kernel load a lot of stuff, and i haven no idea how or why but it's apparently important for a lot of things
19 23:35:00 andy7534211 i'm pretty sure it's already a dependency of net though, since udev is in the sysinit runleve which i think gets loaded before net
19 23:36:00 collinjc_server There is obviously something that it is missing at boot since it works when you run it manually after everything has started.
19 23:36:00 collinjc_server Well, after killing openafs, that is.
19 23:38:00 andy7534211 hm, there seems to be about 4000 lines of init scripts in /lib/rc/net for dealing with setting up the network in addition to the thousand lines in /etc/init.d/net.*
19 23:39:00 andy7534211 sysvinit++ :P
20 00:09:00 andy7534211 what'd you do?
20 00:15:00 collinjc_server You had the dhcp script in cron.hourly in local.start, so I made dhcp executable and added a few lines to stop openafs and bitlbeed since they were preventing the interface from being brought down.
20 00:15:00 collinjc_server It is definitely a hack, but it is working nicelly.
20 00:16:00 andy7534211 is is it running sshd?
20 00:17:00 collinjc_server Nope. It doesn't seem to be.
20 00:18:00 collinjc_server It is now. Let me add that as well. Though it should have brought that up on its own...
20 00:19:00 collinjc_server Okay. I'm going to reboot it again and see if everything starts up as it should.
20 16:47:00 Morasique zsh can tab-complete make targets
20 16:47:00 Morasique i continue to be amazed
20 16:50:00 tommost My stance is that I am surprised/annoyed when zsh can't tab complete something.
21 01:04:00 kleinjt quiet in here tonight
21 01:23:00 shatly yeach
21 18:22:00 kleinjt mmmkay, shibberu wants to confirm that we're having a meeting this week so he can present. I assume this is the case?
21 18:22:00 collinjc As far as I know, that is still the case.
21 18:23:00 collinjc Maybe we should see about advertising this meeting a little.
21 18:23:00 Morasique what's he presenting on?
21 18:24:00 collinjc Mint
21 18:24:00 collinjc The distribution, not the financial thing.
21 18:24:00 Morasique interesting
21 18:25:00 rthc yeah, send out an email
21 18:26:00 collinjc kleinjt: You might ask him if he wants to send out an email to all campus or just to LUG members.
21 18:26:00 rthc i think just LUG members, i don't think an all campus is warranted in this case
21 18:27:00 collinjc That's how I feel too, but I wasn't quite sure what he was expecting.
21 18:52:00 tommost http://kristian.blog.linpro.no/2009/07/21/window-managers-wmii-and-awesome/
21 18:58:00 rthc interesting. i don't use multiple monitors, so i've never hit that problem with wmii
21 18:59:00 tommost Yeah, every time I think about switching to wmii something reminds me of that and I realize why I never tried it in the first place.
21 23:12:00 andy753421 fyi, i think the latest alpha for wmii has xinerama support
21 23:15:00 tommost Hmm, interesting.
22 14:42:00 tommost_ The Ubuntu mirror is behind. :( I want the RC.
22 14:44:00 Morasique the lug one? it'll catch up soon enough, it mirrors at least daily
22 14:45:00 tommost_ Yeah. We should play UrT so we know when it does. :p
22 14:45:00 Morasique normally i can tell 'cause suddenly i can't type anything on irc anymore, but i'm not connecting from the lug server for once
22 14:46:00 tommost_ Yeah, once again, why aren't we throttling the mirror updates?
22 14:47:00 Morasique blames rthc. and russia
22 14:47:00 tommost_ The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!
22 17:09:00 BrentO can anyone help me out with aweather?
22 17:09:00 Morasique andy753421: you around?
22 17:14:00 Morasique BrentO: andy753421 wrote it, but he's apparently afk. you can hang around till he comes back if you want, he's here most of the time
22 17:14:00 BrentO thats cool, i gotta goto a dr's appointment in about 15 minutes
22 17:15:00 BrentO ill just hang out and see if he's around later on
22 17:15:00 Morasique k
22 17:15:00 BrentO ty
22 20:41:00 BrentO andy753421: you around?
22 21:37:00 BrentO ahh well i'll wait
22 21:44:00 BrentO does anyone else here use Andy's aweather app for linux?
22 21:44:00 tommost rthc does, I think.
22 21:44:00 rthc yeah, though it looks like andy7534211 might be back now...
22 21:44:00 BrentO ok
22 21:45:00 BrentO well i have it DL and i guess i need to know how to run it, im not very linux literate
22 21:46:00 rthc it's pretty much like most other packages: ./configure; make; sudo make install
22 21:46:00 andy7534211 oh, that was good timing
22 21:46:00 BrentO lol ummm ok
22 21:46:00 rthc andy7534211: not really, he's been here for like 5 hours
22 21:46:00 rthc ;)
22 21:47:00 andy7534211 oh, well,
22 21:47:00 andy7534211 yea, what auchter said
22 21:47:00 BrentO well i did email you earlier today andy and included a screenshot
22 21:48:00 andy7534211 BrentO: you're going to need to run a terminal and type those commands: `./configure; make; sudo make install'
22 21:48:00 BrentO im just so use to windows and double clicking on the .exe file, then clicking on the desktop icon
22 21:49:00 andy7534211 there's actually a few more things you'll need to do (to get RSL)
22 21:49:00 andy7534211 have you looked at AWeather/Install on the wiki?
22 21:49:00 BrentO yes
22 21:50:00 BrentO but like i said i dont really understand all the command line and terminal stuff
22 21:50:00 andy7534211 ok, do you know how to start a terminal?
22 21:51:00 BrentO terminal is open
22 21:51:00 BrentO yes
22 21:51:00 andy7534211 ok, see the commands in the green box below the RSL heading?
22 21:51:00 andy7534211 you need to type those into the terminal (or copy-paste them)
22 21:51:00 andy7534211 what that'll do is download and install RSL
22 21:51:00 BrentO ok
22 21:52:00 andy7534211 chances are, you might need to install a compiler as well using `sudo apt-get install build-essential' (ubuntu people, is that right?)
22 21:52:00 BrentO yes i have ubuntu
22 21:56:00 andy7534211 did you get those commands run?
22 21:57:00 BrentO yep
22 21:57:00 BrentO usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz
22 21:57:00 BrentO collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22 21:57:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [librsl.la] Error 1
22 21:57:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40'
22 21:57:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 22:01:00 andy7534211 hm..
22 22:02:00 andy7534211 ubuntu folks?
22 22:02:00 tommost Hmm...
22 22:02:00 BrentO y
22 22:03:00 tommost I don't think I have time to try it at the moment; I'm in a meeting.
22 22:03:00 tommost I'll try it later, though.
22 22:04:00 andy7534211 BrentO: did you install build-essential? I would that that libz would be included in that
22 22:05:00 BrentO i have no idea
22 22:06:00 andy7534211 BrentO: try running `sudo apt-get install build-essential' and see what it tells you
22 22:07:00 BrentO Reading package lists... Done
22 22:07:00 BrentO Building dependency tree
22 22:07:00 BrentO Reading state information... Done
22 22:07:00 BrentO E: Couldn't find package build
22 22:08:00 tommost ...
22 22:08:00 andy7534211 did you do 'build-essential' ? (notice the hyphen)
22 22:08:00 BrentO oops
22 22:09:00 BrentO build-essential is already the newest version.
22 22:09:00 BrentO The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
22 22:09:00 BrentO libnss3-dev libnspr4-dev
22 22:10:00 BrentO this is what my terminal looks like at the moment
22 22:11:00 BrentO brent@brent-desktop:~/rsl-v1.40/aweather-0.2.1$
22 22:12:00 andy7534211 ok, can you try running `cd ~rsl-v1.40; ./configure --prefix=/usr/; make; sudo make install' again?
22 22:12:00 andy7534211 er, `cd ~/rsl-v1.40' i guess
22 22:12:00 BrentO ok all of that on one line?
22 22:13:00 andy7534211 (i should really convince some ubuntu person to make packages)
22 22:13:00 andy7534211 BrentO: it doesn't matter, whenever you see a ';' in a shell command it is the same as hitting return
22 22:13:00 andy7534211 so you can types those together with colons, or type them one at a time
22 22:14:00 BrentO /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz
22 22:14:00 BrentO collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22 22:15:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [librsl.la] Error 1
22 22:15:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40'
22 22:15:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 22:15:00 andy7534211 ok, there's something funny going on with ubuntu
22 22:15:00 BrentO lol of course
22 22:15:00 BrentO haha
22 22:16:00 andy7534211 I can't really help you much, tommost might be able to when he gets done with his meeting
22 22:16:00 BrentO ok
22 22:16:00 BrentO thanks though for trying
22 22:16:00 andy7534211 n/p
22 22:35:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: possibly check this http://www.eqjunkies.com/2008/07/howto-usrbinld-cannot-find-lz/
22 22:35:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: or try sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev
22 22:36:00 BrentO ok
22 22:36:00 compuwizard123_ they should do the same thing...one is command line and other is gui based
22 22:36:00 BrentO pl
22 22:36:00 BrentO err
22 22:37:00 BrentO ok
22 22:37:00 compuwizard123_ let me know if that is successful; if it is then go ahead and try the './configure; make; sudo make install' command again from the source directory
22 22:40:00 BrentO ./.libs/librsl.a(rapic.o): In function `rapicwrap':
22 22:40:00 BrentO rapic.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `yywrap'
22 22:40:00 BrentO collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22 22:40:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [any_to_gif] Error 1
22 22:40:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40/examples'
22 22:41:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 22:42:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: any idea what that error comes from?
22 22:42:00 andy7534211 ah, you need bison, although i dont remember why rsl needs that
22 22:43:00 compuwizard123_ i just googled it and someone said flex...like sudo apt-get install flex
22 22:43:00 andy7534211 apparently that's used for parsing the NT Rapic radar format..
22 22:43:00 compuwizard123_ alright
22 22:43:00 BrentO The following NEW packages will be installed:
22 22:43:00 BrentO flex m4
22 22:43:00 BrentO go with that?
22 22:44:00 compuwizard123_ sure
22 22:44:00 andy7534211 BrentO: yep
22 22:45:00 BrentO rapic.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `yywrap'
22 22:45:00 BrentO collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22 22:45:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [any_to_gif] Error 1
22 22:45:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40/examples'
22 22:45:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 22:45:00 andy7534211 BrentO: `sudo apt-get install bison-dev' maybe?
22 22:46:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: he shouldnt have to do a make clean right? it should just trying to compile over it
22 22:46:00 BrentO rapic.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `yywrap'
22 22:46:00 BrentO collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22 22:46:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [any_to_gif] Error 1
22 22:46:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40/examples'
22 22:46:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 22:46:00 BrentO ooops
22 22:46:00 BrentO thats wrong
22 22:46:00 rthc noooo
22 22:46:00 rthc http://vpaste.net
22 22:47:00 BrentO E: Couldn't find package bison-dev
22 22:47:00 compuwizard123_ try 'apt-get install bison' instead
22 22:48:00 BrentO that worked
22 22:49:00 compuwizard123_ try the './configure; make; sudo make install' again
22 22:50:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i know ive made a package for ubuntu before but dont remember how...if you wanted i could try to make a package just need some guidance
22 22:50:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: that'd be awesome
22 22:50:00 BrentO /usr/bin/install -c any_to_uf /usr//bin/any_to_uf
22 22:50:00 BrentO make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
22 22:50:00 BrentO make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40/examples'
22 22:51:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/rsl-v1.40/examples
22 22:51:00 andy7534211 BrentO: that's good, try compiling aweather itself then
22 22:51:00 andy7534211 (cd aweather-*; ./configure; make; sudo make install)
22 22:52:00 BrentO without the quotes
22 22:52:00 BrentO i take it
22 22:52:00 andy7534211 er, yea
22 22:52:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: you are just looking for like a .deb right? (fyi i dont even know what this aweather thing is)
22 22:52:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: yep, i don't have debian/ubuntu install so I don't have the tools needed to make it
22 22:52:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: see the wiki page on AWeather
22 22:53:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: on the lug server i assume?
22 22:53:00 BrentO checking for GLIB... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.14 gobject-2.0 gthread-2.0 gmodule-export-2.0) were not met:
22 22:53:00 BrentO No package 'glib-2.0' found
22 22:53:00 BrentO No package 'gobject-2.0' found
22 22:53:00 BrentO No package 'gthread-2.0' found
22 22:53:00 BrentO No package 'gmodule-export-2.0' found
22 22:54:00 andy7534211 oh bloody, try `sudo apt-get install gtk+-devel' or something
22 22:54:00 andy7534211 libgtk2.0-dev i think it's called
22 22:55:00 BrentO yep 52mb
22 22:55:00 BrentO sorry to be such a bother
22 22:56:00 andy7534211 oh, it's not a big deal, it's ubuntu that's annoying :)
22 22:57:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: psh ubuntu makes it simple to install libraries at least... BrentO: could be worse lol
22 22:57:00 BrentO No package 'gtkglext-1.0' found
22 22:57:00 andy7534211 sudo apt-get install gtkglext-dev maybe?
22 22:58:00 andy7534211 (well at least if compuwizard123_ makes a packages, he'll know exactly what the dependencies are :)
22 22:58:00 BrentO nope no package named that
22 22:58:00 compuwizard123_ libgtkglext1-dev
22 22:59:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: im just googling and then apt-cache search for the different libs to see what names are...i guess you dont have a list of dependencies?
22 23:00:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: 'sudo apt-get install libgtkglext1-dev'
22 23:00:00 BrentO got that
22 23:00:00 andy7534211 the list i use for gentoo is http://vpaste.net/TlBlW?
22 23:01:00 BrentO now it needs No package 'libsoup-2.4' found
22 23:01:00 compuwizard123_ sudo apt-get install libsoup2.4-dev
22 23:02:00 BrentO nope
22 23:05:00 compuwizard123_ try libsoup2.2-dev
22 23:05:00 andy7534211 i think it might need 2.4
22 23:05:00 andy7534211 not sure though, i think 2.2 is really old
22 23:05:00 BrentO 2.2 works
22 23:06:00 compuwizard123_ try 2.4 again and maybe?
22 23:06:00 BrentO tht worked
22 23:06:00 BrentO *that
22 23:07:00 compuwizard123_ try the ./configure etc stuff again
22 23:08:00 BrentO ridge.c:21:23: error: curl/curl.h: No such file or directory
22 23:08:00 BrentO make[2]: *** [ridge_la-ridge.lo] Error 1
22 23:08:00 BrentO make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins'
22 23:08:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 23:08:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/aweather-0.2.1/src'
22 23:08:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 23:09:00 andy7534211 oh?
22 23:09:00 andy7534211 i don't think it uses curl anymore
22 23:10:00 rthc that's aweather 0.2.1, isn't the latest 0.3?
22 23:11:00 andy7534211 auchter: 0.2.1 is still the latest, i don't consider the libgis stuff stable enough yet
22 23:11:00 andy7534211 s/stable/working/
22 23:11:00 rthc ah, ok
22 23:12:00 andy7534211 BrentO: you can just delete the curl/curl.h line out of ridge.c
22 23:12:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: any way to get around the rsl stuff or can you make one big package w/ rsl and aweather
22 23:12:00 andy7534211 or run: sed -i '/curl/d' src/plugins/ridge.c
22 23:13:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: it's very very needed
22 23:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i know rsl is needed but can it be packaged or will it still need to be compiled separately
22 23:13:00 andy7534211 i suppose you could package them together, but it seems more logical to do them separate
22 23:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: does license permit packaging?
22 23:14:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: yes, it's GPLv2
22 23:14:00 andy7534211 wait, LGPLv2
22 23:14:00 andy7534211 i guess technical it's LGPLv2+, but whatever
22 23:15:00 BrentO make[2]: Entering directory `/home/brent/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins'
22 23:15:00 BrentO make[2]: *** No rule to make target `ridge.c', needed by `ridge_la-ridge.lo'. Stop.
22 23:15:00 BrentO make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins'
22 23:15:00 BrentO make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 23:15:00 BrentO make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/brent/aweather-0.2.1/src'
22 23:16:00 BrentO make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
22 23:16:00 andy7534211 wait, did you delete ridge.c, or just the curl line form it?
22 23:16:00 BrentO so it needs ridge.c
22 23:16:00 BrentO delete
22 23:16:00 andy7534211 yea, you need ridge.c ..
22 23:17:00 andy7534211 wget -O home/brent/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins/ridge.c http://vpaste.net/1FdnQ
22 23:18:00 BrentO #include <curl/curl.h>
22 23:18:00 BrentO delete that ^^^^
22 23:18:00 andy7534211 yea
22 23:19:00 andy7534211 actually, i already deleted it from that paste
22 23:21:00 BrentO well i got a big ol long error list this time
22 23:21:00 andy7534211 heh,
22 23:21:00 BrentO gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -Wall -Werror -Wno-unused --std=gnu99 -g -O2 -MT wsr88ddec.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/wsr88ddec.Tpo -c -o wsr88ddec.o wsr88ddec.c
22 23:21:00 BrentO wsr88ddec.c:23:19: error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory
22 23:22:00 BrentO wsr88ddec.c: In function ‘bunzip2’:
22 23:22:00 BrentO wsr88ddec.c:29: error: ‘bz_stream’ undeclared (first use in this function)
22 23:22:00 BrentO wsr88ddec.c:29: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
22 23:22:00 BrentO wsr88ddec.c:29: error: for each function it appears in.)
22 23:22:00 BrentO wsr88ddec.c:29: error: ‘stream’ undeclared (first use in this function)
22 23:22:00 BrentO cc1: warnings being treated as errors
22 23:22:00 andy7534211 BrentO: sudo apt-get install libbz2-dev or something like that
22 23:24:00 BrentO i didnt get an error that time
22 23:24:00 BrentO omg
22 23:24:00 andy7534211 haha
22 23:25:00 BrentO now how do you start the damn thing
22 23:25:00 BrentO :)
22 23:25:00 andy7534211 type `aweather' at the command prompt
22 23:25:00 andy7534211 you can make a desktop icon for it some how or another
22 23:26:00 BrentO weather: error while loading shared libraries: libgis.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22 23:26:00 andy7534211 oh, that's right
22 23:26:00 andy7534211 you need to run it with `LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/ aweather' unless you configured it with PREFIX=/usr/lib
22 23:28:00 BrentO ** (aweather:4086): WARNING **: GisPrefs: init - Unable to load key file `/home/brent/.config/aweather/config.ini': No such file or directory
22 23:28:00 BrentO ** ERROR **: Failed to create gtk builder: Duplicate object id 'vbox2' on line 429 (previously on line 264)
22 23:28:00 BrentO aborting...
22 23:28:00 BrentO Aborted (core dumped)
22 23:34:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: any idea on those errors?
22 23:39:00 andy7534211 i saw that a bit ago too, not sure what's going on, let me look
22 23:44:00 andy7534211 glade is screwing up or something and trying to make names unique within the project instead of the top-level windows
22 23:45:00 andy7534211 anyway, i'm heading out for now, need to sleep..
22 23:45:00 andy7534211 BrentO: I'll try to get that fixed in the next couple days and put out a 0.2.2
23 00:01:00 tommost__ :-/
23 00:01:00 tommost__ I can try building it now...
23 00:03:00 compuwizard123_ tommost__: it builds basically but gives that error that Brent found
23 00:03:00 tommost__ Oh, that should be trivial to fix.
23 00:03:00 compuwizard123_ i started to make a package...almost finished but need to fix some stuff...ill work on it again tomorrow
23 00:04:00 tommost__ Awesome.
23 00:04:00 BrentO thats cool
23 00:04:00 BrentO thank you for your help and patients everyone :)
23 00:04:00 BrentO *patience
23 00:04:00 tommost__ compuwizard123_: You should come to the LUG and tell us about how to make Debian packages... we'd like to put together one with printer configs and stuff.
23 00:04:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: i had the same errors you did when building so its not just you either :-P
23 00:05:00 compuwizard123_ tommost__: i tried cheating way for now http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2356
23 00:05:00 compuwizard123_ i have done packages the right way its just more of a pain
23 00:05:00 compuwizard123_ http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
23 00:05:00 rthc speaking of which, the printer script needs to be updated to cover all printers; or maybe a generator where you can check the printers you want installed...
23 00:05:00 compuwizard123_ just need to create config files and stuff which i was lazy to do
23 00:06:00 compuwizard123_ tommost__: i plan on going to lug one of these days...just need to remember
23 00:06:00 tommost__ Are you on the mailing list?
23 00:06:00 compuwizard123_ no?
23 00:06:00 tommost__ kleinjt can put you on.
23 00:06:00 rthc oh, thanks for the reminder, he needs to fill out a form
23 00:06:00 tommost__ ?
23 00:07:00 rthc someone in the administration said a form needed to be filled out for fall registration
23 00:07:00 rthc he's secretary, i think that falls under his responsibilities
23 00:07:00 tommost__ Oh, hmm.
23 00:07:00 tommost__ You're president, perhaps it falls under yours.
23 00:08:00 rthc nonsense
23 00:08:00 compuwizard123_ ha while id love to stay for this...sleep time
23 00:09:00 tommost__ Don't be silly, it's entirely possible. The only thing that is truly certain is that it is not my responsibility, for as VP I have none.
23 00:09:00 tommost__ compuwizard123_: Good night.
23 00:21:00 BrentO well in out, thanks again everybody
23 04:39:00 kleinjt compuwizard123_: pm me your email and I'll add you to the list
23 04:44:00 kleinjt rthc: I already have enough duties to not perform as secretary. It would be the role of the public relations officer to deal with the administration
23 04:44:00 kleinjt we don't have one? sounds like a problem for the president.
23 04:45:00 Morasique :D there isn't one at all?
23 04:45:00 kleinjt oh, apparently we do
23 04:45:00 kleinjt baty,
23 09:16:00 Morasique *damn it*. my streak of never getting gentoo configured correctly on the first try continues
23 09:27:00 Morasique all the hd /dev entries turned into sd. that's just cheating
23 10:21:00 rthc i thought that happened a while ago
23 10:37:00 Morasique this is a vm i'm installing now
23 10:37:00 Morasique they're hd if i boot from the install cd, but sd if i boot normally
23 10:38:00 Morasique `All ebuilds that could satisfy "app-editors/emacs" have been masked'
23 10:38:00 Morasique not cool
23 11:48:00 Morasique what was the grep that worked well on code?
23 11:48:00 Morasique tommost_ loves it
23 11:52:00 tommost__ ack
23 11:53:00 Morasique ah. i had awk stuck in my head, i was close
23 11:54:00 Morasique wait, it's written in perl? nobody told me this
23 11:55:00 tommost__ Yeah...
23 11:55:00 Morasique apparently ack is also a kanji code converter. i know this because it's installed on this machine above my ack on the path
23 11:57:00 Morasique ooo. this is handy though
23 11:58:00 Morasique take that, grep expr **/*
23 12:22:00 tommost__ Yeah, it's quite nice. One gotcha though: it doesn't search non-code files by default, so if you're not sure what file type you're trying to match you'll need to pass it some flags to change that.
23 14:33:00 compuwizard123_ andy753421: are there any config files for aweather that would need to be preserved during an upgrade?
23 21:59:00 tommost__ I have no Composite extension. :( No Metacity compositing for me.
23 22:32:00 BrentO any work on aweather today andy?
23 22:42:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: not that i've heard. havent talked to andy753421 yet though
23 22:43:00 BrentO ok
23 23:04:00 tommost__ Good news everyone: OO.o has once again randomly decided that it doesn't want to display icons.
23 23:08:00 BrentO all i want for linux is a weather radar app similar to GR3. So I don't have to go back to Windows.
23 23:15:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: i ran into some snags making a package and am waiting on andy753421 to fix whatever the issue from yesterday was
23 23:16:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: hopefully ill get it working by the end of this weekend so it should be simpler in the long run
23 23:16:00 BrentO thats cool
23 23:17:00 BrentO it's no rush really, just would like to use something similar to gr3 but in linux
23 23:18:00 BrentO have you run this program, aweather, before compuwizard123_?
23 23:24:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: i ran it once yesterday just to see what it was
23 23:24:00 BrentO ok
24 09:50:00 andy753421 i havent read the full backlog, but i'll see if i can get aweather playing nicely with gtkbuilder today
24 10:31:00 compuwizard123_ andy753421: aweather compiles fine w/ make but when trying to make a package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot i get this error In function `gis_plugin_example_get_type':
24 10:32:00 compuwizard123_ /home/compuwizard123/src/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins/example.c:35: undefined reference to `gis_plugin_get_type'
24 10:32:00 compuwizard123_ .libs/example_la-example.o: In function `rotate':
24 10:32:00 compuwizard123_ a few undefined reference errors
24 10:38:00 compuwizard123_ all the undefined reference errors seem to be related to gis
24 11:02:00 andy7534211 i wish i knew why glade lets me set a "V" box's orientation to be horizontal..
24 11:04:00 andy7534211 or why my hboxes default to vertical..
24 11:20:00 compuwizard123_ i tried a git clone git://lug.rose-hulman.edu/proj/aweather and got a connection timeout...does it work for anyone else?
24 11:36:00 andy7534211 gitd wasn't running, i started it
24 11:40:00 compuwizard123_ alright it works now thanks
24 12:55:00 andy7534211 Ok, I think i've fixed the gtkbuilder problems in aweather
24 14:07:00 compuwizard123_ andy753421: when i try to build the package i am getting the undefined reference errors for both 0.2.1 and 0.2.2 but not for the latest code from git
24 14:08:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: hold on, let me read the backlog
24 14:12:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: what undefined references?
24 14:12:00 andy7534211 oh, found it
24 14:12:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: let me rebuild to get exact error messages
24 14:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: they pertain to gis mostly. i saw in git summary that you did work on gis after version 0.2.1 so the fix is most likely in there
24 14:14:00 compuwizard123_ In function `gis_plugin_example_get_type': /home/compuwizard123/src/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins/example.c:35: undefined reference to `gis_plugin_get_type'
24 14:14:00 compuwizard123_ In function `rotate': /home/compuwizard123/src/aweather-0.2.1/src/plugins/example.c:87: undefined reference to `gis_opengl_redraw'
24 14:14:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: those are the two errors i have received so far
24 14:15:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: the package builds fine with ./configure; make; sudo make install
24 14:15:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: just with the packaging process it fails for 0.2.1 and 0.2.2
24 14:15:00 Morasique why is that different, ooc?
24 14:17:00 Morasique andy7534211: is the about dialog supposed to say "2008-2008"?
24 14:17:00 andy7534211 Morasique: probably not..
24 14:17:00 Morasique it also appears to pop up twice
24 14:17:00 andy7534211 Morasique: what version?
24 14:18:00 Morasique i just pulled it from git
24 14:18:00 andy7534211 ok
24 14:23:00 Morasique andy7534211: you should probably pick a new e-mail for the source code too
24 14:25:00 andy7534211 Morasique: I think you need to uninstall the old version of aweather and reinstall the new version (or compile it with the ./gen.sh script)
24 14:27:00 Morasique hmm. now i get libgis errors, i probably don't have whatever that is
24 14:27:00 andy7534211 Morasique: did you install to /usr/local?
24 14:28:00 andy7534211 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib aweather
24 14:28:00 andy7534211 libgis draws the globe
24 14:28:00 andy7534211 or just use the gentoo ebuild
24 14:28:00 andy7534211 (unless you want to do development)
24 14:29:00 Morasique oh, wow, this is totally different
24 14:29:00 Morasique apparently i was running a really old version
24 14:30:00 andy7534211 yea, libgis is still rather buggy
24 14:31:00 andy7534211 (which explains the lack of a 0.3 release)
24 14:32:00 Morasique did you write it?
24 14:32:00 andy7534211 libgis?
24 14:32:00 Morasique yeah
24 14:32:00 andy7534211 yea
24 14:32:00 Morasique what's it do?
24 14:32:00 andy7534211 it draws a globe..
24 14:33:00 Morasique oh, you said that already. i see
24 14:33:00 andy7534211 you can run it standalone with gis_test
24 14:34:00 Morasique why is part of it in shadow?
24 14:35:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: can you check how it gets ./configured when you build it with the ubuntu tools?
24 14:36:00 andy7534211 Morasique: i thought it looked nice :P http://vpaste.net/bTybZ?
24 14:37:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: you want the output from the ./configure command?
24 14:37:00 Morasique it looks fine, i was just curious if there was a technical reason, like it was too slow to draw the whole globe at once
24 14:37:00 andy7534211 Morasique: actually, it is, it uses a really sweet level of detail algorithm
24 14:38:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: or would you like the output from the package building command?
24 14:38:00 andy7534211 (if you zoom way in it does terrain and stuff too)
24 14:38:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: either would be nice, it should generate a config.log, if you have that it'd be ncie
24 14:39:00 andy7534211 i'm trying to figure out why it works with ./configure; make; make install, but not with the package scripts
24 14:39:00 compuwizard123_ https://compuwizard123.dyndns.org/aweather/config.log
24 14:39:00 andy7534211 Morasique: the problem is that updating the mesh when you zoom in is really slow :(
24 14:39:00 compuwizard123_ its a self signed ssl so thats why it warns
24 14:39:00 andy7534211 I just deleted the s..
24 14:40:00 compuwizard123_ whoa verizon was blocking port 80...
24 14:40:00 compuwizard123_ apparently not any more
24 14:41:00 Morasique it seems like their customers would take issue with that
24 14:41:00 Morasique verizon high-speed internet: now for checking e-mail only
24 14:41:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: it says in fios contract dont run servers
24 14:41:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: only blocked from access port 80 and some others from outside
24 14:42:00 Morasique ah. that's less of a problem
24 14:43:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: yea idk pretty easy to get around anyway...
24 14:44:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: It seems to be caused by LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,defs" i changed quite a lot between 0.2.x and master though, so i'll see if I can figure out how to fix 0.2.x
24 14:44:00 tommost__ Is there any reason to not go straight to master?
24 14:45:00 andy7534211 tommost_: master is very buggy and not really releasable
24 14:45:00 tommost__ Okay.
24 14:45:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i can remove those ldflags from the build process and give it a try. they were put there automatically for some reason
24 14:46:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: that'll probably work, but i should probably fix the build too
24 14:47:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: ok ill see what happens i can always put it back
24 14:54:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: did you remove the curl reference in version 0.2.2? i didnt check but it just came up again in 0.2.1
24 14:55:00 andy7534211 apparently not :(
24 14:58:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: its in ridge.c in src/plugins. just an include
24 15:00:00 andy7534211 ok
24 15:01:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: http://vpaste.net/8iaSZ? < i get those errors now...same as before but caught at the very end
24 15:02:00 andy7534211 ok, let me figure out how to fix the undefined references first
24 15:02:00 andy7534211 did you make a package for rsl, or did you just install that?
24 15:04:00 compuwizard123_ i have a package for rsl. i made it using checkinstall instead of the preferred way for now
24 15:04:00 compuwizard123_ but it is also installed
24 15:05:00 andy7534211 ok, i'm not sure about debian, but is that maybe the cause of that last error?
24 15:05:00 compuwizard123_ possibly im looking into it right now
24 15:05:00 andy7534211 ok
24 15:13:00 andy7534211 so i figured out why it wasn't erroring with master, i had typoed the configure check for RSL so it wasn't compiling any plugins :)
24 15:15:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: ok i saw that in ./configure that it said no radar plugin or something even when ./configure found rsl
24 15:16:00 andy7534211 yea.. i typed RLS_LIBS instead of RSL_LIBS at one point..
24 15:16:00 compuwizard123_ it happens
24 15:17:00 compuwizard123_ im starting from scratch for rsl. recomiling and reinstalling just to see if package i thought worked caused issues
24 15:17:00 andy7534211 mkay
24 15:17:00 andy7534211 i think i've almost got the references figured out
24 15:18:00 compuwizard123_ ok is there a reason your patches for rsl didnt get put back into the package for a possible rsl-1.41?
24 15:20:00 andy7534211 i sent them to the author of rsl, but he hasn't released a new version yet
24 15:20:00 andy7534211 so maybe they'll be in the next version, maybe not
24 15:20:00 andy7534211 he made some modification to the rsl source too, so I think some of my patches didn't apply cleanly
24 15:21:00 andy7534211 i wish they'd put rsl in a public repository..
24 15:22:00 compuwizard123_ i was just looking at their site for that. has the project been abandoned? its been >1yr
24 15:22:00 andy7534211 no, it just takes weather folks a long time to release updates
24 15:23:00 andy7534211 if you look at changes, a year+ isn't too uncommon for them to release updates :(
24 15:23:00 andy7534211 it's also been around since '94
24 15:25:00 compuwizard123_ ah ok
24 15:53:00 compuwizard123_ found the issue w/ rsl...it doesnt provide a correct shlibs file so it cant determine the dependencies. i found a workaround and may be able to force it to work correctly when making the package for rsl
24 15:53:00 andy7534211 alright
24 15:53:00 andy7534211 what's a shlibs file?
24 15:55:00 compuwizard123_ ummm i dont know exactly but found it here http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
24 15:55:00 compuwizard123_ workaround being http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-shlibslocal
24 15:58:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i think i have a working binary...
24 15:59:00 andy7534211 awesome, also, i posted a v0.2.3 that fixes the problems with -Wl,-z,deps (it's also fixed in master)
24 15:59:00 compuwizard123_ the package for rsl works and then i installed the aweather package i just made and it opened up w/ aweather from terminal
24 15:59:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: ok ill remake the package real quick
24 15:59:00 andy7534211 ok, 0.2.3 should include a system menu icon as well
24 15:59:00 andy7534211 s/system/application/
24 16:00:00 compuwizard123_ did you fix the ridge.c thing?
24 16:00:00 andy7534211 i think so
24 16:00:00 andy7534211 yes
24 16:01:00 compuwizard123_ ok
24 16:02:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: aweather installs shared libraries (libgis, plugins) i'm not sure if that'll make debian angry or not
24 16:02:00 andy7534211 s/installs/includes/
24 16:03:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: hasnt mattered afaict but ill look into it
24 16:04:00 andy7534211 ok, might matter if we want them to put it in one of the standard repositories
24 16:07:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: yea. is it possible to put libgis into a separate package? since it could stand alone correct?
24 16:07:00 andy7534211 yea, it's possible
24 16:07:00 andy7534211 it makes more work for me though..
24 16:07:00 compuwizard123_ hm ok
24 16:07:00 andy7534211 i think it'll probably need to happen eventually though
24 16:08:00 compuwizard123_ it may be the "right" way to do things though
24 16:08:00 andy7534211 yea, i agree
24 16:08:00 compuwizard123_ that whole argument between something working and the "right" way to get it working
24 16:09:00 compuwizard123_ fyi the changes you made for 0.2.3 fixed the undefined references
24 16:09:00 andy7534211 it just means i'll need to do funky things to the aweather makefiles to make sure they properly depend on libgis
24 16:09:00 andy7534211 great, when you install it, check if the menu shows up (i think it should be Applications->Education->AWeather)
24 16:10:00 andy7534211 and i blatantly stole the icon from wikipedia..
24 16:12:00 compuwizard123_ it shows up
24 16:12:00 andy7534211 awesome
24 16:12:00 compuwizard123_ is the icon under an open license?
24 16:13:00 andy7534211 it should be FDL
24 16:13:00 andy7534211 i think that means i'm supposed to include a changelog for it or something.. which i didn't i just said it was from wikipedia
24 16:13:00 compuwizard123_ the 0.2.3 package installed over 0.2.2 just fine and removing the package seemed to work as well
24 16:14:00 andy7534211 (the icon is from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thundery-shower.svg)
24 16:14:00 andy7534211 oh, public domain, yay
24 16:15:00 compuwizard123_ there were a few "errors" in terminal when i ran it as just aweather...http://vpaste.net/llAV2
24 16:15:00 andy7534211 can you post your ~/.config/aweather/config.ini ?
24 16:17:00 andy7534211 eh, that's just a warning anyway, it shouldn't matter
24 16:17:00 compuwizard123_ http://vpaste.net/dE2So
24 16:17:00 andy7534211 i should probably remove that message since it's not important
24 16:17:00 compuwizard123_ it doesnt show up if run from the menu system
24 16:18:00 andy7534211 aweather doesn't show up?
24 16:19:00 compuwizard123_ if aweather run from education->aweather the errors dont show
24 16:19:00 compuwizard123_ if run from terminal it shows the errrors
24 16:19:00 andy7534211 oh, the errors are just printed to standard out right?
24 16:19:00 andy7534211 so they wouldn't really have a way of showing up
24 16:24:00 compuwizard123_ correct
24 16:24:00 andy7534211 ok, that sounds fine
24 16:27:00 compuwizard123_ the packages ive made so var as located at http://compuwizard123.dyndns.org/bin/
24 16:27:00 compuwizard123_ s/var/far
24 16:27:00 andy7534211 ok
24 16:27:00 andy7534211 what's the best way to distribute those?
24 16:28:00 compuwizard123_ i plan to remake rsl using the proper way instead of checkinstall
24 16:28:00 andy7534211 oh, ok, i thought you had already done that, no hurry
24 16:29:00 compuwizard123_ um idk ive never had to distribute them...i should check the packages according to http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-checkit.en.html and then next step is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-upload.en.html
24 16:29:00 compuwizard123_ im just kinda following the guide
24 16:30:00 compuwizard123_ the libgis should probably be pulled out and act something like rsl probably
24 16:30:00 andy7534211 ok, i wasn't sure if you wanted to try to get them included in a debian/ubuntu repository if just have them posted somewhere (e.g. http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/proj/aweather/debian/ or something)
24 16:30:00 andy7534211 ok, i suppose i'll work on that, it shouldn't be to hard
24 16:31:00 compuwizard123_ doesnt really matter to me ive never gotten this far, lol
24 16:31:00 andy7534211 heh, alright
24 16:31:00 compuwizard123_ ive read about it in theory now practice is fun
24 16:31:00 andy7534211 yea, same for me :)
24 16:32:00 compuwizard123_ what is/was your major? idk if ive ever met you actually
24 16:32:00 andy7534211 computer science
24 16:32:00 andy7534211 you?
24 16:32:00 compuwizard123_ csse hopefully
24 16:32:00 andy7534211 heh, alright
24 16:33:00 compuwizard123_ havent had to take a cs class yet...dont offer csse230 till the winter term...should be interesting as ive never had a formal programming class
24 16:34:00 andy7534211 did you get credit by exam for 120/220/221?
24 16:34:00 compuwizard123_ took ap cs ab got a 4 (no real studying for that either)
24 16:34:00 compuwizard123_ so got credit for 120/220 that way
24 16:34:00 andy7534211 ok, i don't think i ever took any of the ap tests..
24 16:34:00 andy7534211 sounds godo
24 16:35:00 compuwizard123_ we will see...never had to really program in java...just know enough in theory to take the test
24 16:35:00 compuwizard123_ i can def debug and fix stuff but never had to really start a program from scratch in java...not a big fan of java either
24 16:36:00 andy7534211 yea, java sucks, 230 (at least when I took it) was mostly debugging though
24 16:36:00 andy7534211 debugging/figuring out how how the instructors code actually works
24 16:36:00 compuwizard123_ thats good
24 16:36:00 compuwizard123_ no classes in packaging/build system though?
24 16:36:00 rthc we did a fair amount of implementation in 230
24 16:37:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: maybe some SE class, but i never took those because they would probably be lame ;)
24 16:37:00 compuwizard123_ s/no/any
24 16:37:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: alright
24 16:37:00 compuwizard123_ rthc: implementation would be nice
24 16:38:00 compuwizard123_ hopefully brent0 shows up later and can try the packages
24 16:38:00 andy7534211 i just remember ball worlds and java eyes being terrible, there were like thousands of lines of code you had to read, and then just a few lines that you actually had to write
24 16:39:00 rthc ball worlds was moved to 221, at least when i took it
24 16:39:00 andy7534211 yea, i emailed him telling him i fixed the gtkbuilder probelms
24 16:39:00 andy7534211 yea, i think those were both 221 maybe
24 16:39:00 rthc 230 was mostly implementing data structures in java
24 16:39:00 andy7534211 i don't really remember what we did in 230
24 16:39:00 andy7534211 oh, i learned swt at some point..
24 16:40:00 andy7534211 it was much better than swing..
24 16:43:00 compuwizard123_ ill take your word for it
24 16:44:00 andy7534211 i wonder if there's direct gtk bindings for java, using glade would have made 221 crazy easy
24 16:51:00 Morasique ballwords was 221; i remember because i epically failed it by not reading the instructions
24 16:53:00 Morasique andy7534211: there are a bunch of java gui builders
24 16:54:00 andy7534211 Morasique: yea, i think i tried the one that's comes as an eclipse package once, but failed at using it
24 16:54:00 Morasique i've never found java gui construction difficult, i don't know what everyone's big problem with it is
24 16:55:00 andy7534211 i think it crashed eclipse for me.. although a lot of things did that
24 16:55:00 tommost It's just a huge pain.
24 16:57:00 compuwizard123_ ive never been a big fan of guis anyway
24 17:09:00 Morasique compuwizard123_: unfortunately, customers tend to be
24 17:09:00 Morasique s/customers/professors/ if you prefer
24 17:22:00 rthc if you're not going to indent your #ifdefs and you have several of them spread over 600 lines, please be so kind as to tag the matching endifs...
24 17:23:00 Morasique people usually don't indent #ifdefs; i haven't decided which side i'm on
24 17:23:00 rthc well, in this case indenting would make it a mess
24 17:23:00 andy7534211 how about not having a several hundred line #ifdef?
24 17:24:00 rthc it's pretty common in kernel code, the whole config system kinda encourages it
24 17:24:00 andy7534211 hm, i thought that was discouraged
24 17:25:00 rthc maybe it is, common is the wrong word perhaps
24 17:26:00 andy7534211 ah, i was thinking of 2) in Documentation/SubmittingPatches
24 17:26:00 andy7534211 (http://vpaste.net/Sm4gX)
24 17:28:00 Morasique i think i would prefer the former way
24 17:28:00 rthc yeah, i kinda agree.
24 17:28:00 andy7534211 :q
24 17:29:00 rthc i can't tell if that's an emoticon or a vim command
24 17:29:00 andy7534211 yea, that was a vim command..
24 17:31:00 rthc ah, i love make -j9 on the lug server. makes kernel builds go so nicely.
24 17:32:00 andy7534211 indeed
24 17:32:00 andy7534211 except `make modules_install' doesn't work so well..
24 17:32:00 rthc i solve that by ignoring modules
24 17:33:00 andy7534211 yea, that's what I was going to do too, except then init failed and then i got distracted writing mkinit..
24 17:59:00 Morasique they're releasing karmic koala on the 29th? that seems a bit late
24 18:00:00 tommost 29 <= 31
24 18:00:00 Morasique yes, i realize it's technically within the month, but it seems like they're pushing it later every time
24 18:01:00 tommost Yeah.
24 18:01:00 tommost I expect they'll be less behind for the next release, though, since it'll be a conservative LTS release.
24 19:09:00 BrentO hey andy753421, do i need to delete aweather 0.2.1 before i upgrade to 0.2.2?
24 19:11:00 andy7534211 yea
24 19:11:00 andy7534211 from within the aweather-0.2.1 directory, run sudo make uninstall
24 19:11:00 BrentO k
24 19:11:00 andy7534211 actually, compuwizard123_ make .debs so you might want to try those instead
24 19:12:00 BrentO where are those located?
24 19:13:00 andy7534211 http://compuwizard123.dyndns.org/bin/
24 19:13:00 BrentO ok ty
24 19:13:00 compuwizard123_ BrentO: i tested them just let me know if they work :-D
24 19:14:00 BrentO alrighty, let me get 0.2.1 uninstalled
24 19:17:00 BrentO holy shit, there it is!!!
24 19:17:00 BrentO awesome
24 19:18:00 andy7534211 BrentO: as for aweather itself, it's not as feature-complete as GR yet, but it'll get there eventually (hopefully) :)
24 19:19:00 BrentO oh yea
24 19:19:00 BrentO now, why do i see a big ol tea pot
24 19:19:00 andy7534211 heh
24 19:19:00 andy7534211 that's the example plugin, you can disable it from the preferences dialog
24 19:20:00 BrentO ahh ok
24 19:20:00 BrentO now is this live data?
24 19:20:00 BrentO i thought i read that aweather wouldnt work with the IA state Level II live feed
24 19:21:00 andy7534211 BrentO: there's a toolbare button and a menu item to use live data (from IA state)
24 19:21:00 andy7534211 i think by default it might be in offline mode, not sure though
24 19:21:00 andy7534211 if it is, just unclick the offline button and hit refresh
24 19:22:00 BrentO ok got that
24 19:23:00 BrentO lol now all we need is the add-on stuff like warning boxes and watch boxes, etc
24 19:23:00 andy7534211 BrentO: yea.. :)
24 19:24:00 BrentO i really wish i knew how to do that, i would love to help..........guess i can be a beta tester though :P
24 19:24:00 andy7534211 BrentO: there's a few other important things that are missing too, (relative velocity, composite reflectivity, echo tops, etc)
24 19:26:00 BrentO hey andy........
24 19:26:00 andy7534211 yea?
24 19:26:00 BrentO http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/data/nexrd2/raw/
24 19:27:00 andy7534211 what about it?
24 19:27:00 BrentO thats the link to the raw level II data, in aweather it's just http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/data/
24 19:29:00 andy7534211 BrentO: the nexrd2/raw gets appended automatically by the software, it might be clearer to not have that done in software though, not sure
24 19:29:00 BrentO k
24 19:34:00 BrentO is this on a timer, meaning it will auto refresh every few minutes or so, or do you have to manually hit the refresh button to get a new image?
24 19:36:00 andy7534211 BrentO: you have to manually hit refresh.. although it shouldn't be too hard to add a timer
24 19:38:00 BrentO cool
24 19:40:00 BrentO so what do you have in mind for future updates?
24 19:47:00 Morasique it depresses me when sys-apps/man-pages-3 is blocking something
24 19:51:00 andy7534211 BrentO: the next big change is giong to be adding a virtual globe instead of the ridge overlays: see http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/aweather.png for screenshot
24 19:54:00 andy7534211 BrentO: I also did some work on iso-surfaces a while back (similar to what GRLevel2 Analyst does)
24 19:55:00 andy7534211 other than that,there's a bunch of misc things in the TODO: https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/git/?p=proj/aweather;a=blob_plain;f=TODO;hb=HEAD
24 19:57:00 BrentO ahh ok like a slice through the storm
24 19:58:00 BrentO or a 3-D view
24 20:00:00 andy7534211 yep, 3D view initially, i might do vertical cross sections later
24 20:03:00 BrentO would it be possible to left click and hold the mouse button down and be able to move the map around?
24 20:06:00 andy7534211 BrentO: yea, that'd be a good thing to add as well.. i haven't been concerned to much with it since i'm used to using the keyboard (you can use the arrows and hjkl)
24 20:07:00 BrentO ok
24 20:08:00 BrentO not trying to make this exactly like GR3, just some of the features i like in GR3
24 20:08:00 andy7534211 yep, thanks for the suggestions
24 20:09:00 Morasique andy7534211: you should add fire text
24 20:09:00 andy7534211 BrentO: a few of them have been things i've already thought of, but if other people ask for them i'm more likely to add them :)
24 20:10:00 andy7534211 Morasique: geez, I already put in a spinning cube to satisfy the compiz people.. although i did deprecate that in favor of a spinning teapot..
24 20:10:00 BrentO lol
24 20:10:00 Morasique you should've added firetext first, before trivial features like radar
24 20:11:00 andy7534211 Morasique: you should write a libgis plugin for firetext
24 20:11:00 BrentO andy, what is debug level?
24 20:12:00 andy7534211 BrentO: if you run it from a terminal, it'll print out lots of messages, if you set debug level higher it will print out even more
24 20:12:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: im attempting to make a "correct" package for rsl and keep getting this error message http://vpaste.net/CrxQO
24 20:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i have all the dependencies installed like bison and flex so idk what else it could be...searching google hasnt proven helpful either
24 20:13:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: do you have bison/bison-dev install? (that should a dependency for building rsl)
24 20:13:00 andy7534211 oh, ok
24 20:14:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: it compiles normally and installs but not w/ the package builder thing
24 20:16:00 BrentO andy you ever messed with gempak?
24 20:17:00 andy7534211 BrentO: yea, i've used it a bit
24 20:18:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: http://vpaste.net/yjKu1 thats config.log idk if it will help
24 20:24:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: give me a minute and i look at it
24 20:25:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: take your time no rush at all. it can even wait till tomorrow
24 20:27:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: are the patches getting applied properly?
24 20:30:00 andy7534211 my guess would be that it's something to do with the patches, and then running libtoolize/aclocal/automake/configure
24 20:31:00 compuwizard123_ i applied the patches again and reran those programs and still same thing
24 20:31:00 compuwizard123_ i may start from scratch and try again
24 20:31:00 compuwizard123_ since I may have messed something up along the way...i doubt it but who knows
24 20:36:00 andy7534211 there might be something strange going on, rsl doesn't compile at all for me :(
24 20:40:00 compuwizard123_ well i had it compile normally earlier
24 20:41:00 andy7534211 yea, on my end it's a problem with automake versions
24 20:45:00 andy7534211 ah, i had to run aclocal-1.10 since i don't have 1.9 install
24 20:48:00 andy7534211 so the problem is caused by rapic.c being included directly in the tarball, but i guess the scripts delete it and try to regenerate it
24 20:48:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: o i think i got it now. apparently a version i compiled before wasnt fully uninstalled
24 20:48:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: idk why that would cause that error but i ran sudo make uninstall and now am trying the package way and it seems to be working
24 20:49:00 andy7534211 hm, alright
24 20:49:00 compuwizard123_ yea idk as long as it works
24 20:52:00 andy7534211 yea, the yacc file doesn't compile correctly, it generates more shift/reduce errors than expected on my machine
24 20:53:00 andy7534211 but yea, it doesn't matter, especially since aweather doesn't even use rapic radars
24 20:54:00 andy7534211 for what it's worth, i split libgis off from aweather in git
24 20:54:00 compuwizard123_ ok so then aweather will depend on a gis package and the rsl package
24 20:54:00 andy7534211 yea
24 20:54:00 compuwizard123_ when i get that far
24 20:55:00 andy7534211 heh, yep
24 20:55:00 andy7534211 the updated gentoo ebuilds are http://vpaste.net/VYdNG? http://vpaste.net/naIjv?
24 20:55:00 compuwizard123_ arg i got one error and had to restart the build process and now it has same error as before
24 20:56:00 andy7534211 i'm guessing it ran make clean when you restarted, which deleted the rapic.c file
24 20:57:00 compuwizard123_ the build process cleans each time before it restarts
24 20:58:00 compuwizard123_ i wonder if its that stupid LDFLAGS thing
24 20:58:00 andy7534211 ?
24 20:58:00 compuwizard123_ that helped work around the undefined reference earlier
24 20:58:00 andy7534211 i doubt it
24 20:59:00 compuwizard123_ -Wl,-z,defs
24 20:59:00 andy7534211 the rapic error is because the ylwrap file was generated by an older version of gnu automagic
24 20:59:00 compuwizard123_ hm ok
24 20:59:00 compuwizard123_ just curious...how do you know that?
24 21:00:00 andy7534211 if you delete ylwrap and rerun `automake -a -c' it will create a new ylwrap that will work properly
24 21:00:00 andy7534211 but then the .y doesn't compile to a .c correctly
24 21:01:00 compuwizard123_ hm ok
24 21:04:00 compuwizard123_ why does it compile normally but not when package process tries?
24 21:05:00 andy7534211 the .tar.gz comes with a pre-compiled version of rapic.y (called rapic.c), i suspect the package process run `make clean' which deletes rapic.c so then it breaks when it tries to regenerate rapic.c
24 21:06:00 compuwizard123_ so if i force the package process clean to not delete rapic.c will that work?
24 21:06:00 compuwizard123_ since it wont try to regenerate rapic.c
24 21:07:00 andy7534211 that would work
24 21:07:00 compuwizard123_ ok i think i can do that
24 21:08:00 compuwizard123_ its a hack but if it works thats cool
24 21:08:00 andy7534211 yea.. http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/rapic.patch
24 21:09:00 andy7534211 that *might* work (trying it now)
24 21:09:00 andy7534211 doesn't look like it
24 21:09:00 andy7534211 haha, the timestamp on rapic.c is 2001-04-12
24 21:10:00 andy7534211 and ylwrap is from 1999 :)
24 21:11:00 andy7534211 i think i was in grade school last time they ran aclocal on their sources
24 21:12:00 andy7534211 s/aclocal/automake
24 21:13:00 compuwizard123_ doing the %expect thing?
24 21:13:00 compuwizard123_ for the # of shift/reduce
24 21:13:00 andy7534211 yea, that's what the %expect is for
24 21:13:00 compuwizard123_ i saw that online and wasnt sure how to implement it anyway
24 21:14:00 andy7534211 if you include that patch, and then have it pass `-f' to automake, it should regenerate ylwrap, and then be able to compile rapic.y properly
24 21:15:00 compuwizard123_ ok which way is preferred..the patch and -f or to exclude rapic.y/rapic.c from clean?
24 21:16:00 andy7534211 how were you excluding rapic.c from clean?
24 21:17:00 compuwizard123_ there is a spot to exclude dh_clean --exclude ./rainbow_to_radar.c.orig --exclude ./lassen_to_radar.c.orig --exclude ./colors/Makefile.in. orig --exclude ./rapic.c --exclude ./rapic.y
24 21:18:00 compuwizard123_ idk if it will work but worth a try?
24 21:18:00 andy7534211 i don't know how dh_clean works, if it work, i'd go with which ever one works
24 21:19:00 compuwizard123_ dh_clean is part of depbuildhelper from what i read before
24 21:19:00 compuwizard123_ or debhelper
24 21:19:00 andy7534211 ok, if that --exclude works, then go for it
24 21:20:00 andy7534211 can you specify commands in the build scripts? (like `rm ylwrap')?
24 21:20:00 andy7534211 if it even involves scripts..
24 21:20:00 andy7534211 if it does, you should post them to the wiki or add them to git
24 21:20:00 andy7534211 brb, getting food
24 21:24:00 compuwizard123_ ok
24 21:24:00 compuwizard123_ you should be able to idk why you wouldnt
24 21:24:00 compuwizard123_ the --exclude didnt seem to work
24 21:25:00 andy7534211 ok, try that patch, and removing ylwrap
24 21:26:00 compuwizard123_ k
24 21:26:00 compuwizard123_ legacy software...got to love it
24 21:28:00 andy7534211 hehe, when i had to use gempak, i had to modify some code and the first changelog entry was from before I was born
24 21:29:00 andy7534211 when i started aweather, i didn't know about rsl and tried to parse the radar files myself, it sucked though
24 21:30:00 compuwizard123_ how long ago did you start it?
24 21:32:00 andy7534211 um, i did some work on a program during the 2007 summer that i used some code from, but i really started work on aweather during the 2008 summer
24 21:32:00 compuwizard123_ ah i put the exclude thing in wrong spot i think
24 21:32:00 andy7534211 but didn't get very far, i did most of it this past summer
24 21:32:00 compuwizard123_ the package process runs make distclean
24 21:33:00 andy7534211 yea, that's probably what's deleting rapic.c
24 21:34:00 compuwizard123_ it is i ran make distclean and it specifically has rm -f rapic.c
24 21:34:00 compuwizard123_ ok since idk how to make distclean ignore a file...now to try the patch
24 21:35:00 compuwizard123_ to apply the patch i need to run 'patch rapic.c ../rapic.patch' correct?
24 21:35:00 andy7534211 probably `patch -p1 < ../rapic.patch'
24 21:35:00 andy7534211 you should be able to apply it along with the rest of the patches
24 21:36:00 compuwizard123_ ok
24 21:38:00 compuwizard123_ i then need to run automake -f? or automake -f -a -c?
24 21:38:00 andy7534211 i used `automake -f -a -c'
24 21:38:00 andy7534211 just -f might work, not sure though
24 21:39:00 andy7534211 are you running all these commands manually, or writing a script to do them?
24 21:40:00 compuwizard123_ by hand when trying them but i had a script to do most of them
24 21:40:00 compuwizard123_ like the patches and stuff for scripted
24 21:40:00 andy7534211 ok, that makes sense
24 21:40:00 compuwizard123_ i made a tar.gz of the folder after applying the first patches so i dont have to redo that step everytime
24 21:40:00 andy7534211 hm, ok
24 21:41:00 compuwizard123_ i have to run everything up the the ./configure since the package process runs that
24 21:42:00 compuwizard123_ if i get this setup correctly though i can actually automate the whole process
24 21:42:00 Morasique if i've learened anything from this it's that ubuntu sucks at packages
24 21:42:00 andy7534211 ok, could you write a script `prepare-rsl.sh' or something that does all those commands (patch, automake, etc) and then runs whatever package commands need to be run?
24 21:42:00 compuwizard123_ yea true
24 21:42:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: ah, ok
24 21:42:00 compuwizard123_ like the aweather package i can make a cron job that will run once a day that can check for new tar.gz and auto make new directory and new package
24 21:42:00 andy7534211 Morasique: eh, it took me a while to get the ebuild working too
24 21:43:00 andy7534211 heh, nice
24 21:43:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: considering ive never done this and have got it all working in <1 day of actual work im impressed
24 21:50:00 Morasique compuwizard123_: i wrote my first gentoo ebuild in about 20 minutes
24 21:50:00 Morasique it's pretty much a shell script with special function names
24 21:50:00 Morasique andy7534211: what trickery was involved?
24 21:51:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: touche, lol
24 21:51:00 Morasique compuwizard123_: well, maybe it's just aweather being difficult
24 21:51:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: its rsl not even aweather
24 21:51:00 Morasique ah
24 21:51:00 andy7534211 Morasique: the folks in #gentoo-sunrise are pretty particular about how they look
24 21:51:00 Morasique andy7534211: oh. that doesn't really count :)
24 21:53:00 andy7534211 Morasique: there's a bug in gtk-doc using -jx with x>1 that took a bit to figure out, and there's a particular order the inherits have to go in
24 21:54:00 andy7534211 and the -9999 needs DEPEND="dev/util/gtk-doc-am" even with USE="-doc"
24 22:01:00 compuwizard123_ this wouldnt take so long if the computer i was running it on wasnt so slow....
24 22:06:00 compuwizard123_ alright i have a rsl and an rsl-dev package
24 22:06:00 andy7534211 awesome, i had forgotten about the -dev packages :/
24 22:06:00 compuwizard123_ it made it automatically
24 22:07:00 compuwizard123_ i havent tried the -dev package yet
24 22:16:00 compuwizard123_ hmm idk if dev package works
24 22:17:00 andy7534211 eh?
24 22:17:00 Morasique andy753421: it's a totally sane way of organizing packages. or something
24 22:18:00 rthc yeah, most people will never use the -dev package, so why waste precious kilobytes installing it. or something.
24 22:19:00 compuwizard123_ using it to build aweather
24 22:19:00 compuwizard123_ you would need to -dev pacakge
24 22:19:00 compuwizard123_ package
24 22:19:00 compuwizard123_ right?
24 22:19:00 tommost I though the -dev package was headers.
24 22:20:00 andy7534211 maybe .la's too?
24 22:20:00 tommost So you'd only need one for libgis, no?
24 22:20:00 rthc dear god, if it is, i can't possibly see your argument against them being included by default
24 22:20:00 tommost You use apt-source to get the source.
24 22:20:00 andy7534211 you'd need rsl-dev and libgis-dev
24 22:20:00 compuwizard123_ yea thats what i figured
24 22:20:00 andy7534211 maybe .a's too
24 22:21:00 andy7534211 and .pcs
24 22:21:00 BrentO i need a girl with big boobies and a soft ass
24 22:21:00 Morasique ...
24 22:21:00 andy7534211 er ...
24 22:22:00 Morasique i thought i was in #defocus, it took me a minute to realize this was #rhlug
24 22:22:00 Morasique then i died inside
24 22:22:00 tommost Er, wrong channel?
24 22:22:00 tommost God I hope so.
24 22:23:00 andy7534211 yea. i don't think i'll be including that feature in aweather any time soon
24 22:23:00 Morasique andy7534211: :(
24 22:23:00 compuwizard123_ yea ... wtf?
24 22:24:00 compuwizard123_ i swear i looked away for like 2 seconds
24 22:24:00 BrentO sorry im a potty mouth, i'll shut up now
24 22:25:00 compuwizard123_ i feel like im in a dilbert/xkcd comic...compiling...compiling...compliling
24 22:27:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: you should try `emerge -e world' sometime :P
24 22:28:00 Morasique andy7534211: he's an ubuntu user, so that probably wouldn't be very exciting
24 22:29:00 compuwizard123_ Morasique: haha but i know what it does
24 22:31:00 compuwizard123_ i mainly just virtualize ubuntu/linux in general anyway
24 22:31:00 compuwizard123_ only run ubuntu on my server at home
24 22:33:00 Morasique i'm installing gentoo in a vm at work right now; i'm going to try just maximizing the vm and using it all day
24 22:35:00 compuwizard123_ what vm software do you use?
24 22:35:00 Morasique virtualbox
24 22:36:00 compuwizard123_ good call...have you tried the whole seamless desktop thing? i dont like it that much it just is weird to have linux and windows right on top of each other
24 22:36:00 Morasique i tried it virtualizing xp on a gentoo machine and it didn't work well at all; i'll try the reverse when i finish installing X
24 22:36:00 compuwizard123_ how long ago did you try the xp on gentoo?
24 22:36:00 Morasique last year i think
24 22:36:00 Morasique i miss my window manager though, that's the main reason i'm installing it, so i don't really want seamless desktop
24 22:37:00 compuwizard123_ virtualbox has really changed in the last yr
24 22:38:00 compuwizard123_ it might be worth trying again xp on gentoo
24 22:38:00 compuwizard123_ if you like gentoo that much
24 22:38:00 andy7534211 kvm++
24 22:38:00 Morasique well, i don't really need it at home, i don't use my xp vm much
24 22:51:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: have you ever tried to compile this for windows? just curious
24 23:12:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: would you want to do a 0.2.4 tar.gz since gis has been removed? and then also have a libgis-0.1.tar.gz? since that way can start building right way maybe
24 23:12:00 compuwizard123_ im still trying to figure out rsl right now so not a rush at all just idea
25 02:38:00 Morasique where's rhlug?
25 08:50:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: I'm not planning on splitting apart aweather and libgis for 0.2.x (to many changes)
25 08:51:00 andy7534211 I can make a 0.3-p0 tarball or something if you want to try packaging that
25 08:51:00 andy7534211 i'm not sure if I want to start libgis at 0.1, or at 0.3 and keep the version synchronized with aweather
25 10:46:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: alright sounds good. that works
25 12:59:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: i think the issue w/ making the rsl package is that some of the paths are hard coded (ie: docs -> /usr/doc/rsl); when the package process whats to build it it wants to put it into a temp dir but rsl doesn't go there
25 13:00:00 compuwizard123_ s/whats/wants
25 13:08:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: make sense, we could probably patch those to use autoconf and it'd make dpkg happy (i already had to do that with some of the directories)
25 13:09:00 compuwizard123_ i had a few permissions errors since it would attempt to put files in /usr/doc and stuff
25 13:10:00 compuwizard123_ i was looking at the different makefile stuff but i have no idea where to start to fix it
25 13:19:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: ok, i'll take a look at it
25 13:19:00 andy7534211 i posted 0.3-p0 tarballs for aweather and libgis to http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/proj/aweather/
25 13:21:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: the docs don't look hard coded: http://vpaste.net/6zvrC?
25 13:23:00 compuwizard123_ yea idk it gives errors trying to remove from /usr/doc
25 13:23:00 andy7534211 I think the install-exec-hook is what's messing it up, i suspect it's because it's not using DESTDIR
25 13:23:00 compuwizard123_ yea
25 13:24:00 andy7534211 that hook shouldn't be needed really, i think they could just put ../README ../CHANGES in doc_DATA and it'd take care of that for them
25 13:24:00 compuwizard123_ idk why they change permissions on those files also
25 13:24:00 compuwizard123_ since 444 would re read only by even the owner
25 13:25:00 andy7534211 yea, that's kind of dumb
25 13:32:00 andy7534211 I'm temped to try to email the RSL guys and see if i can get access to their repository (if they have one) or something so we can get all these patches merged
25 13:37:00 compuwizard123_ sounds good. the package building process lets me start w/ a clean source dir and automatically include patches before the build it looks like
25 13:38:00 compuwizard123_ it will even let me create patches on the fly before a build...and it lets me go back and edit patches if needed
25 16:26:00 Morasique on my vm running xp, there's an option to send ctrl+alt+del and an option to send ctrl+alt+backspace, but on my gentoo vm there's only the option to send ctrl+alt+del. perfect
25 20:44:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: im having issues getting the libraries to package correctly...compiles correctly then doesnt go in package for some reason. its something on my end but hopefully ill have it fixed by end of this upcoming week
25 20:48:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: for both libgis and rsl?
25 20:48:00 andy7534211 (out of curiosity, what's the error?)
25 20:52:00 andy7534211 anyway, no hurry, thanks for working on it so far
25 20:53:00 andy7534211 also, i emailed the rsl people about patches but haven't had a reply yet
25 20:55:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: no error the package is just like empty, lol
25 20:55:00 compuwizard123_ it compiles everything then decides not to put the files into the package it looks like
25 20:55:00 compuwizard123_ for both libgis and rsl
25 20:55:00 andy7534211 heh, strange
25 20:55:00 compuwizard123_ probably have a config file wrong
25 20:56:00 compuwizard123_ at first i thought it was just rsl being stupid but tried libgis and both are weird
25 20:56:00 andy7534211 who knows, i did something similar with the gentoo ebuild actually
25 20:57:00 compuwizard123_ it makes the files then puts them into the tmp dir but doesnt want to package them i think
25 20:57:00 andy7534211 i took out the gnome2 eclass for aweather which provided a default src_install function, and then couldn't figure out why nothing was getting installed :)
25 20:57:00 compuwizard123_ that would do it
25 23:10:00 Morasique the lug server stopped responding to web requests a little while ago
25 23:10:00 Morasique also, rhlug is still missing
25 23:13:00 tommost I can ssh into it.
25 23:13:00 tommost I'm on campus, though.
25 23:14:00 Morasique yeah, ssh works, but i can't get to the wiki
25 23:14:00 Morasique oh, now i can
25 23:14:00 Morasique it was down the last few times i tried, pinky swear
25 23:14:00 Morasique i miss rhlug though
25 23:15:00 tommost I'm not sure what you're talking about.
25 23:15:00 tommost hugs luglog
25 23:15:00 Morasique oh, i'm losing my mind. i forgot luglog was called luglog, i was looking for rhlug
25 23:21:00 Morasique HA! i'm not crazy, montastic agrees with me: http://sprunge.us/HUaE
26 00:58:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: looks like i figured out the package process for the libs. i will check them more tomorrow but looks good :-D
26 10:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: when trying to make a package for aweather-0.3-p0 i got this error http://vpaste.net/2Wo9y
26 10:13:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: idk if its on my end or yours but just letting you know
26 10:53:00 andy7534211 oh, my end, i must have tarred up a broke version... I posted updated -p0 tarballs
26 10:54:00 andy7534211 (i don't consider -p0 to be a real release so I didn't bother changing the version number)
26 11:50:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: thats fine ill try it in a little bit
26 11:51:00 andy7534211 alright, by the way, what was wrong with packaging the libs?
26 12:14:00 andy7534211 i just saw the name `Ubuntu 10.04 - Lucid Lynx' and thought they were trying to merge compiz and the web browser or something :(
26 12:20:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: one line was commented out in the debian/rules file that copied the library files into the .deb files
26 12:27:00 andy7534211 heh, alright
26 12:31:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: when building new p0 tar i get this error http://vpaste.net/Qtj40
26 12:39:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: that's kind of odd
26 12:39:00 compuwizard123_ ok it could very well be my end
26 12:40:00 andy7534211 is libgis getting installed properly before you try to compile/package aweather?
26 12:40:00 compuwizard123_ i think libgis is getting installed correctly but it may not
26 12:40:00 andy7534211 check if it's installing the gis-world.h header
26 12:41:00 compuwizard123_ in /usr/include/gis correct?
26 12:41:00 andy7534211 yea
26 12:41:00 compuwizard123_ yup its there
26 12:41:00 compuwizard123_ i just tried compiling aweather p0 normally and got this error http://vpaste.net/set4g
26 12:42:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: ok, make sure you uninstall previous versions of libgis and aweather before trying to use the tarballs i posted this morning
26 12:42:00 compuwizard123_ ok
26 12:43:00 andy7534211 (deg2rad is a preprocessor macro, so the only thing I can guess it hat it's not including the gis-world.h header properly
26 12:43:00 andy7534211 )
26 12:45:00 compuwizard123_ ok
26 12:46:00 compuwizard123_ same thing
26 12:46:00 compuwizard123_ it might be the package is bad
26 12:47:00 andy7534211 same thing with gis_prefs_new?
26 12:47:00 compuwizard123_ let me uninstall libgis package and just do a normal make; make install
26 12:47:00 compuwizard123_ yea same thing
26 12:48:00 andy7534211 yea, i'm pretty sure that's caused by libgis being to old, i added an argument to gis_prefs_new yesterday
26 12:49:00 andy7534211 https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/git/?p=proj/libgis;a=blobdiff;f=src/gis-prefs.h;h=ac9cde620904dd3e95bf7e41a81a0d7bc4155b46;hp=164573492ee4a23e97873720d2702f5ccbc68d13;hb=d836e9913e3fa991c935a8e7d5064f9adb51e191;hpb=c98587ecbd1db2df631a1ae1e3af4f2590395369
26 12:49:00 andy7534211 wow, that's an ugly url
26 12:50:00 compuwizard123_ hm ok
26 12:50:00 compuwizard123_ yea and ugly url o well
26 12:56:00 andy7534211 hm, i think i'll keep aweather/libgis version in sync and have aweather check for `libgis = $VERSION' to hopefully prevent these problems
26 12:56:00 compuwizard123_ i should be able to do that for packages too where it checks libgis version
26 12:57:00 andy7534211 yea, i think that's mostly for gentoo's live ebuild, since it's going to be breaking constantly :)
26 12:57:00 compuwizard123_ did you put a new aweather p0 up after the original one yesterday?
26 12:57:00 compuwizard123_ i am still getting the same thing
26 12:57:00 compuwizard123_ aweather-gui.c: In function ‘aweather_gui_init’:
26 12:57:00 compuwizard123_ aweather-gui.c:457: error: too many arguments to function ‘gis_prefs_new’
26 12:57:00 compuwizard123_ aweather-gui.c:461: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘gis_opengl_new’ from incompatible pointer type
26 12:58:00 compuwizard123_ the /usr/include/gis folder was deleted and /usr/lib/libgis* files were removed
26 12:59:00 compuwizard123_ the gis-prefs.h that gets installed into /usr/include/gis/ is the new version w/ the extra argument
26 13:00:00 andy7534211 eh, so i guess there are good reasons for version :) I posted a -p1 for both libgis and aweather to clear up any confusion :)
26 13:00:00 compuwizard123_ ugh may have found the issue
26 13:01:00 compuwizard123_ there was some installed in /usr/local/include for some reason
26 13:01:00 andy7534211 mkay, if you get -p0 working that's fine too
26 13:01:00 andy7534211 yea, /usr/local/ is the defaut prefix when you do `./configure; make; make install'
26 13:01:00 compuwizard123_ i think i had it going to /usr/local just to try something and it got left there
26 13:02:00 andy7534211 oh, ok
26 13:03:00 compuwizard123_ looks like its ok now...it compiled normally
26 13:03:00 andy7534211 alright
26 13:03:00 compuwizard123_ ill try -p1 in a second
26 13:04:00 andy7534211 ok, there really aren't any changes from the most recent -p0 and -p1
26 13:04:00 compuwizard123_ if it works w/ the package process that is
26 13:04:00 compuwizard123_ its just easier i can run "uscan; uupdate -u ../filename.tar.gz -v 3.0-p1; debuild -uc -us" and it makes package
26 13:05:00 compuwizard123_ and then it will be ready for any later versions
26 13:05:00 andy7534211 hm, ok, i have no idea what any of those commands are :)
26 13:06:00 andy7534211 you should defiantly post the build scripts to the wiki or someplace once you get them working
26 13:07:00 compuwizard123_ will do. especially w/ steps for the stupid libraries
26 16:42:00 compuwizard123_ andy7534211: afaik i have all the builds working (rsl, libgis, aweather). i need to go back and fix some of the stuff that one of the package tools is complaining about but for now they at least work and compile
26 16:43:00 andy7534211 compuwizard123_: sounds great :)
26 16:43:00 compuwizard123_ i setup a package repository and it works but right now it installs .3 by default
26 16:43:00 andy7534211 mkay, are you running the repository yourself?
26 16:43:00 compuwizard123_ yea its on my server
26 16:43:00 compuwizard123_ deb http://compuwizard123.dyndns.org/apt binary/ <- should give binaries
26 16:43:00 andy7534211 I'm not sure how ubuntu works, is there a development/beta repository that you want to try to get them included in? (like gentoo-sunrise if you know what that is)
26 16:44:00 compuwizard123_ deb-src http://compuwizard123.dyndns.org/apt source/ <-should do sources
26 16:44:00 compuwizard123_ idk i havent really looked into getting it included anywhere
26 16:44:00 andy7534211 ok, that's fine
26 16:44:00 compuwizard123_ i have to probably do a lot of tweaking to get it perfect
26 16:44:00 compuwizard123_ like so that it doesnt yell about "missing package desciption"
26 16:45:00 andy7534211 ah, ok, at least with sunrise, there's a lot of formatting they want and such,
26 16:45:00 compuwizard123_ yea im assuming they want it tested and everything for any actual ubuntu repository
26 16:45:00 andy7534211 i figured it would be easier to do that than to set up a repository though so I went that way with the gentoo packages :)
26 16:46:00 compuwizard123_ it looks like for debian (idk if ubuntu is same way) that you have to file a bug report for the package and then have it approved and possibly apply to be a debian maintainer and everything
26 16:46:00 compuwizard123_ seems like a ridic process just to make a few binaries and have them included but i understand they dont want a random package messing everything up
26 16:47:00 andy7534211 yea, i had to file bug reports for sunrise too, i want to say I saw a `testing' like debian/ubuntu repository once, but i don't remember what it was called
26 16:47:00 compuwizard123_ debian has stable/unstable/testing categories
26 16:48:00 compuwizard123_ and then a bunch of subcategories
26 16:48:00 compuwizard123_ for now i focused on getting it to work. if needed ill work on getting it fixed properly and whatever other steps are needed
26 16:49:00 andy7534211 mkay
26 16:49:00 compuwizard123_ where would you like info on build scripts and stuff?
26 16:49:00 compuwizard123_ or steps that i did to make it work
26 16:49:00 andy7534211 hm, i'm not sure
26 16:50:00 andy7534211 i guess you could put them on the wiki maybe?
26 16:51:00 compuwizard123_ whereever not super important but eventually just to document it
26 16:51:00 andy7534211 i was thinking about making a directory in the git repo, but i'm not sure about that since it's packages for rsl/libgis/aweather and the repo is only for aweather or libgis
26 17:00:00 andy7534211 this might be what I was thinking of: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
26 20:33:00 andy7534211 this might be useful for anyone who uses fetchmail/maildrop and has multiple maildirs: http://vpaste.net/nbTc5?
26 20:34:00 tommost That automatically puts it in the maildir of any message for which it is a reply?
26 20:35:00 andy7534211 tommost: pretty much
26 20:35:00 tommost Awesome.
26 20:50:00 Morasique exit -1?
26 20:56:00 andy7534211 oh, i've probably been writing to much c/kernel code
27 12:00:00 andy7534211 so i wrote this a week or so ago, and `equery u' just reminded me why.. http://vpaste.net/IRYay?
27 13:31:00 Morasique is there a way to set up fetchmail without having your password in plaintext in the conf?
27 13:32:00 andy7534211 what would you prefer?
27 13:37:00 andy7534211 fetchmail -f =(rot13 < ~/.fetchmailrc) ?
27 13:39:00 Morasique i would prefer mutt prompt me when i open it and then keep the password in memory
27 13:40:00 andy7534211 mutt?
27 13:41:00 Morasique well, i would prefer it keep it in memory somehow; i don't really care how it gets it
27 13:43:00 andy7534211 looks like it can prompt you for one when you start fetchmail: http://vpaste.net/iMZ0d?
27 13:43:00 Morasique oh, i didn't know about the netrc thing, is that a standard place for passwords?
27 13:44:00 andy7534211 hm, i'm not sure
27 13:44:00 Morasique not specifying it is what i'm looking for though, thanks. i might have to hack the init script though, or just start it manually when i boot
27 13:44:00 andy7534211 yea, cron starts my fetchmail so i can't do that very well
27 13:47:00 Morasique i suppose i don't care on my desktop; the main reason i asked is i want to use mutt at work on a shared machine, and a good number of people have root on it so i'd prefer to not make it trivial to get my password
27 13:47:00 Morasique i'll need to start fetchmail manually on that machine anyway
27 13:48:00 andy7534211 probably a good idea
27 13:49:00 andy7534211 on your work machine, is it accessing work email?
27 13:49:00 Morasique yeah
27 13:49:00 andy7534211 ah, ok
27 13:49:00 Morasique outlook started sucking so i'm dropping it
27 13:50:00 andy7534211 could you fetch that mail on your home machine and then ssh into it?
27 13:52:00 Morasique i suppose i could, that would be easier. i already had it set up to do that, i just commented it out
27 13:53:00 andy7534211 that seems like it might be better, that way if you have to change machines at work or something you don't have to moving all your mail (unless it's on NFS or something)
27 13:55:00 Morasique i set up fetchmail on a shared linux machine, it's not on my local machine
27 13:55:00 andy7534211 ah, ok
27 14:19:00 Morasique it took me this long to realize there's no reason to pull my password out of fetchmail if root can just look at my ~/Mail folder
27 14:20:00 andy7534211 is your mail password used for things other than mail?
27 14:20:00 Morasique no
27 14:20:00 andy7534211 can they send mail with it?
27 14:20:00 Morasique i suppose, but it's not like they can't without it
27 14:20:00 andy7534211 true
28 11:46:00 rr_lap is it chilly down there? I am visiting this weekend
28 11:47:00 tommost_ Not very.
28 11:48:00 tommost_ It gets quite chilly at night, though.
28 11:48:00 rr_lap sweet, oh tom tell nick i will give him his money this weekend if he still wants it
28 11:49:00 tommost_ Which Nick?
28 11:49:00 rr_lap wahl
28 11:50:00 rr_lap your roomate from last year right?
28 11:50:00 tommost_ He's online; just PM him at wahlnj.
28 11:50:00 tommost_ Yeah.
28 11:55:00 rr_lap oops my bat will die
28 16:48:00 collinjc andy753421: We are not using the CS mirror as the source for our mirror are we?
28 16:49:00 andy753421 collinjc: yes and no..
28 16:49:00 collinjc Hmm. Explain.
28 16:51:00 andy753421 if I remember correctly, the gentoo and ubuntu scripts are both set up to rsync from the csse mirror without doing a delete, afterwards they rsync from the official mirrors without delete, and finally they rsync from the official mirrors again using --delete
28 16:51:00 collinjc I thought that initially we were not because the CS mirror was not kept up to date.
28 16:51:00 andy753421 oh, for the official mirrors it's just `--delete --delete-after'
28 16:51:00 collinjc Ahh, got it. So we basically only transfer large amounts of data if the CS server happens to be out of date?
28 16:52:00 andy753421 collinjc: yea, ideally, the csse mirrors would sync from us first, and then from the official mirror
28 16:52:00 andy753421 so between the two mirrors there would be only one off-campus pull for each file/package/etc
28 16:54:00 collinjc Okay, cool. Darryl sent me an email about the csse mirror that prompted me to wonder where our data was coming from. He was basically just saying that we could use some of its content on the LUG server if we wanted.
28 16:55:00 collinjc So I was wondering if that was what we were doing already.
28 16:55:00 andy753421 alright, i think for the gentoo and ubuntu mirrors the lug mirror is more complete and up-to-date, but the csse mirrors has more [partial/outdated] distros
28 22:30:00 andy753421 muhahaha: http://vpaste.net/NEzCD?
28 22:33:00 rthc rnice
28 22:34:00 rthc i'm curious how the nick coloring was done
28 22:34:00 tommost Linkification, too. Nice.
28 22:34:00 tommost Er, although it breaks on https://compuwizard123.dyndns.org/aweather/config.log
28 22:34:00 tommost Ordering?
28 22:35:00 andy753421 I don't do linkification, the standard 2html script does that
28 22:35:00 andy753421 here's the irc.vim syntax file: http://vpaste.net/DFkHN?
28 22:35:00 tommost andy753421: Now you should make a Pidgin plugin that lets you highlight a passage and vpaste it using the context menu.
28 22:37:00 andy753421 just put `xclip -o | vpaste "ft=irc"' in .xbindkeysrc
28 22:38:00 tommost Not the same.
28 22:38:00 andy753421 although, a pidgin plugin would probably attract more users..
28 22:38:00 tommost Yes!
28 22:39:00 Morasique andy753421: users who use pidgin
28 22:39:00 Morasique in short, not the users you want
28 22:39:00 tommost s/.*/the best kind of users/
28 22:39:00 andy753421 yea, that was sort-of my thinking
28 22:39:00 andy753421 although, i use pidgin :(
28 22:39:00 Morasique for irc?
28 22:40:00 andy753421 yea
28 22:40:00 Morasique ...you should stop
28 22:40:00 tommost Because it's awesome!
28 22:40:00 andy753421 it's easier than having multiple windows open
28 22:40:00 andy753421 s/windows/programs/
28 22:40:00 tommost Precisely.
28 22:40:00 tommost And more compact.
28 22:40:00 andy753421 compact?
28 22:40:00 Morasique more compact? it's pidgin
28 22:40:00 Morasique does it even have tabbing?
28 22:40:00 tommost Uh, yeah.
28 22:40:00 Morasique then it's maybe as compact
28 22:41:00 tommost sizeof(proportional font) << sizeof(monospace font) given the same point size.
28 22:41:00 andy753421 http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/pidgin.png
28 22:41:00 andy753421 tommost: but the line height is almost always larger
28 22:41:00 Morasique yeah, plus the monospace fonts use up more memory because of the bigger glyphs
28 22:41:00 Morasique ...
28 22:42:00 tommost andy753421: And hence, more readable.
28 22:42:00 tommost Also, smilies.
28 22:42:00 Morasique i was about to use smilies as an example of things irc noobs ask for
28 22:43:00 Morasique also audio. that's a big one
28 22:43:00 tommost My smilies are awesome. :D
28 22:43:00 tommost :-/
28 22:43:00 tommost :)
28 22:43:00 tommost :'(
28 22:43:00 Morasique they're equally awesome in text form
28 22:45:00 tommost No they're not: http://jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/lnk/smilies.png
28 22:45:00 Morasique ...you're right, i pity you
28 22:45:00 rthc you're worse than kleinjt
28 22:45:00 andy753421 oh, christ, that's awful
28 22:45:00 Morasique tommost: weren't you just talking about using proportional fonts for the miniscule space savings?
28 22:46:00 andy753421 also, you should turn off the stupid infobar thing at the top of the pidgin window
28 22:46:00 rthc also, the space savings are negated by using an obscenely large font like that
28 22:46:00 tommost andy753421: Yeah, I've done it before but forgotten how.
28 22:47:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, are your smilies animated?
28 22:47:00 andy753421 please say they are..
28 22:47:00 tommost No, that would be horrible.
28 22:48:00 tommost Ah, it's "Show detailed information". They could have named that checkbox better...
28 22:49:00 tommost And as for the space savings, it's overridden by the awesome.
28 23:06:00 Morasique mutt does some fanciness where it caches recently open mailboxes, so if you switch to them they load really fast. is there a way to tell it to keep those caches? if i wait too long it deletes them apparently
28 23:07:00 andy753421 there's `header_cache'
28 23:08:00 andy753421 are you sure it's mutt caching them on not the linux VFS?
28 23:08:00 Morasique no, i assumed. i was just reading about header cache, it says it's off by default so i don't think it's that
28 23:09:00 andy753421 try either waiting a long time, or restarting, and then do `cat $maildir/**/*(.) > /dev/null' and then see if mutt opens the mailboxes really quickly
28 23:09:00 Morasique ok, thanks
28 23:15:00 andy753421 hm, it'd be interesting if you could set the sticky bit on files and the vfs would keep them cached longer
28 23:16:00 andy753421 oh, apparently solaris does the exact opposite of that
28 23:22:00 Morasique ah, it is the filesystem that does it
28 23:22:00 Morasique well, is there a way to make it keep the files cached? (ext3)
28 23:23:00 andy753421 i doubt it has anything to do with the disk filesystem, but there might be something in tune2fs
28 23:24:00 andy753421 or maybe an xattr for it, or global kernel parameter
28 23:26:00 Morasique actually, i suppose header_cache would have the same effect, right?
28 23:26:00 Morasique i'll try enabling that
28 23:26:00 andy753421 that might help, but the header cache is still stored in files so the vfs will cache/uncache that as well (although, it's probably a lot faster to load the header cache than looking though all the messages)
28 23:27:00 Morasique right, i'm assuming it can load that one file pretty fast
28 23:27:00 Morasique i didn't realize it built the index by scanning every file, no wonder it lags so bad
28 23:27:00 andy753421 how many messages do you have?
28 23:28:00 andy753421 i have a gmail inbox with ~1000 messages that only takes a second or so to load uncached
28 23:28:00 Morasique er. wow. my main inbox is about 200 messages, but it reads maybe 150 messages/second
28 23:28:00 Morasique s/200/2000/
28 23:29:00 Morasique mutt appears to be missing a use flag for header caching
28 23:30:00 Morasique oh, i think it's always on in gentoo, i just need to specify a file
28 23:30:00 Morasique cool
28 23:30:00 andy753421 looks like you need one of the database flags for header caching
28 23:30:00 andy753421 http://vpaste.net/jqke6?
28 23:30:00 Morasique ok, cool
28 23:32:00 Morasique sweet. thanks
28 23:37:00 Morasique "In addition to caching message headers only, Mutt can also cache whole message bodies. This results in faster display of messages for POP and IMAP folders because messages usually have to be downloaded only once."
28 23:37:00 Morasique can mutt read messages right off servers or something?
28 23:37:00 Morasique i thought it only read from maildirs
28 23:37:00 andy753421 yea, it supports pop and imap
28 23:39:00 andy753421 i used that for a while before I got fetchmail set up, but I didn't like it because it was slow and i could sort my mail properly
28 23:39:00 andy753421 s/could/\0n't/
28 23:43:00 andy753421 i've been thinking about doing that again though, since i have courier serving imap from my server anyway (and then using mutt directly from my laptop instead of ssh+mutt)
28 23:46:00 Morasique the main dislike i have is fetchmail deciding what messages have been downloaded with the read flag; it makes it so i can't check e-mail through any other client
28 23:46:00 Morasique but i still prefer having the mail stored locally
28 23:47:00 andy753421 Morasique: what I do is run courier on my server, then connect to that with other clients
28 23:47:00 andy753421 that way i get all my mail accounts in one connection, and they all get filtered via maildrop and everything too
28 23:47:00 Morasique yeah, that's a good way to do it
28 23:48:00 andy753421 for example `gmail -> fetchmail -> maildrop -> maildir -> courier -> outlook' etc.
28 23:48:00 andy753421 i haven't come up with a good way to send mail though :/
28 23:49:00 andy753421 (from non-mutt that is, since i have mutt save sent mail to the current folder so replies and such are sane)
28 23:53:00 andy753421 i should see if i can setup courier-smtp to save messages by passing them though maildrop
29 00:59:00 Morasique anybody have a good terminal calendar program? i've probably asked this a few times; it's one of the few apps i haven't figured out yet
29 00:59:00 rthc wyrd?
29 01:00:00 andy753421 cal?
29 01:01:00 Morasique andy753421: one that keeps appointments :)
29 01:01:00 Morasique wyrd might work, i've never seen this before
29 01:02:00 rthc it uses remind as a backend, iirc
29 01:02:00 Morasique remind looks pretty cool, actually, that's the part i care more about
29 01:03:00 andy753421 psh, you can't beat `at teatime tomorrow <<<'notify-send "Drink your tea!"''
29 01:03:00 Morasique i'm looking into writing an xfilter that parses exchange meeting requests, since those aren't going to work in mutt anymore
29 01:04:00 andy753421 does remind support ical?
29 01:04:00 Morasique andy753421: i currently use a cron job that runs minutely and greps my todo list looking for lines that have <YYYY-MM-DD HH:II> in them; it's sub-optimal
29 01:04:00 rthc andy753421: i think there are tools to convert between remind and ical
29 01:04:00 rthc at least that was the state of things last i checked
29 01:05:00 andy753421 hm, i might have to look into that
29 01:06:00 andy753421 rem2ical is a ~20 lines awk scripts, i'm worried
29 01:07:00 Morasique is that short or long?
29 01:07:00 Morasique it seems fairly short to me
29 01:07:00 andy753421 short..
29 01:07:00 andy753421 and ical2rem is in perl..
29 01:07:00 Morasique ok, i thought you were saying that was excessive
29 01:07:00 Morasique "At this point, your head may be spinning. You don't want to learn yet another command language or obscure configuration-file format. You pine for the GUIs your Microsoft colleagues use."
29 01:07:00 Morasique ...yes
29 01:10:00 Morasique the ebuild desription of remind is "Ridiculously functional reminder program"
29 01:12:00 Morasique what does a portage profile do? the thing you set with eselect profile
29 01:13:00 andy753421 they contains default USE flags and such
29 01:13:00 andy753421 basically default /etc/make.conf's
29 01:13:00 Morasique ah, ok
29 01:15:00 rthc yeah, emerge was complaining the other day about my server's profile being out of date...
29 01:15:00 rthc i should probably get around to taking care of that at some point
29 01:19:00 Morasique you just do eselect profile list, pick one and do eselect profile set #
29 01:19:00 andy753421 i usually just change the symlinks :/
29 01:19:00 andy753421 screw eselect
29 01:20:00 rthc andy753421's hardcore like that
29 01:20:00 andy753421 and rc-update, back when i used sysvinit
29 01:20:00 Morasique i think all eselect ever does is fiddle with symlinks
29 01:20:00 Morasique they should stop posting news stuff, there's been 4 of them in 3 months, and like 2 for the last year before that
29 01:21:00 andy753421 yea, i suspect i started using gentoo sometime between when someone said `hey let's make a program to fiddle with syminks' and when someone else said `hey lets do that for everything'
29 01:31:00 compuwizard123_ (bit late on this) andy753421: tommost_: you both really use pidgin for irc? i found it to be clunky at best...irssi best for irc
29 01:32:00 compuwizard123_ i use pidgin for other protocols but irc not so much
29 01:32:00 Morasique everyone finds pidgin clunky for irc
29 01:32:00 Morasique except tommost
29 01:32:00 andy753421 what's clunky about it?
29 01:32:00 compuwizard123_ it gets cranky about staying connected for long periods of time
29 01:32:00 andy753421 er, i guess I should say, what about irc could be clunkey? It's typing text and pressing enter...
29 01:32:00 compuwizard123_ i think since it decides to log everything
29 01:32:00 Morasique pidgin's designed with instant messaging in mind, the whole interface is odd for chat rooms
29 01:33:00 compuwizard123_ im interesting how pidgin is going to do video
29 01:33:00 andy753421 all i want for irc is a box with messages other people send, and another box where I type messages to send..
29 01:33:00 compuwizard123_ video is not supported for windows yet but i have a feeling its going to be weird
29 01:33:00 compuwizard123_ yea im w/ you on that
29 01:34:00 compuwizard123_ have you used irssi?
29 01:34:00 andy753421 yea, i use that occasionally when i'm not at my laptop
29 01:34:00 compuwizard123_ i just like to ssh into my "server" at home then reattach to irssi through screen
29 01:35:00 andy753421 i might be more interested in that, but i usually don't read the backlogs anyway :/
29 01:35:00 andy753421 and there's luglog if I do
29 01:35:00 Morasique i skim them and if more than 50% is tommost i don't bother
29 01:35:00 compuwizard123_ irssi has a cool thing where you can do lastlog and have it search for just words you specify
29 01:35:00 andy753421 so does grep ;)
29 01:36:00 Morasique i can't get in the habit of using lastlog, i automatically grep the log files when i need to look up something
29 01:36:00 compuwizard123_ so i have "/ll" alias setup to check for my nick
29 01:36:00 Morasique compuwizard123_: you can just have a highlights window if you want that
29 01:36:00 compuwizard123_ true
29 01:36:00 compuwizard123_ i dont usually need to check backlog that often i have it highlight my nick anyway in the window
29 01:39:00 andy753421 pidgin highlights the tab in blue when someone says your name, so if I wake up or something and a tab is blue, i scan back for where that was :/
29 01:39:00 Morasique well irssi does that too obviously, but it can be difficult to find :)
29 01:39:00 Morasique some channels have actual talking, unlike ours
29 01:40:00 Morasique i have it mark me away when my screen is detached, and tell me all the lines where my nick was mentioned when i go unaway
29 01:40:00 andy753421 yea, i usually don't get my name said randomly in many channels with > ~20 people
29 01:40:00 Morasique i'm going to start joining the channels you're in and pinging you at 4am
29 01:41:00 Morasique although you'll probably be up. :(
29 01:41:00 andy753421 i'll probably just block/ignore you if you do hat
29 01:41:00 Morasique -_-
29 01:43:00 tommost__ I use screen + irssi for tommost_, but it sucks for regular use.
29 01:43:00 tommost__ And no, compuwizard123_, Pidgin doesn't have any problems with staying connected for long periods.
29 01:44:00 tommost__ In my experience it only starts crapping out if the disk fills up.
29 01:44:00 andy753421 it does take up a lot of ram though :(
29 01:44:00 tommost__ So get more RAM.
29 01:44:00 andy753421 Yes bill gates..
29 01:45:00 tommost__ Firefox needs it anyway.
29 01:45:00 tommost__ glares at Firefox
29 01:45:00 andy753421 yea, i've been trying to get rid of that too *glares at libsoup*
29 01:46:00 andy753421 yow, `git pull' just pulled in a `coding' branch, this could be good
29 15:30:00 rmr hey guys
29 15:31:00 rmr theres a meeting today right?
29 15:32:00 tommost_ Yup.
29 15:33:00 tommost kleinjt: You should send out an e-mail.
29 15:33:00 rmr cool, i'm probably gonna be there if I'm not asleep
29 15:33:00 Morasique just sleep there, that's what crr did
29 15:34:00 rmr i've been having some issues with my C compilier in Eclipse
29 15:34:00 Morasique eclipse has that effect on c
29 15:34:00 rmr lol apparently
29 15:38:00 rmr it looks like the projects i check out from my svn repository won't create a make file when I try to build them
29 15:39:00 Morasique i imagine you have to make the makefile yourself
29 15:40:00 tommost No, Eclipse does some sort of build magic, I'm pretty sure.
29 15:40:00 tommost Makefiles aren't introduced until OS.
29 15:43:00 Morasique it generates makefiles? i would think it would just run the commands needed
29 15:43:00 tommost Yeah, I think that's what it does.
29 15:44:00 andy753421 i though you could configure how it builds stuff (either generate makefiles, use existing ones or maybe something else?)
29 15:44:00 Morasique i always suspected andy753421 secretly used eclipse for C development
29 15:45:00 andy753421 eh, i think I ta'ed for that class once
29 15:45:00 andy753421 i actually just tried to start eclipse, but it won't even load..
29 16:12:00 kleinjt are the any presentations planned?
29 16:16:00 kleinjt okay, sent with no mention of presentations
29 16:21:00 tommost Eclipse is so much fun.~
29 16:22:00 tommost They're using it in 120 right now... I think it sucks extra on Windows, because the programs it needs to run (like gdb) are never on the path.
29 16:24:00 Morasique i think tommost is volunteering to give an eclipse presentation
29 16:25:00 tommost Considering I spent ten minutes ineffectually trying to fix one student's Eclipse debugger, I think not.
29 17:16:00 kleinjt nobody is at the lug except a few new people, way to fail
29 17:16:00 kleinjt tommost_:!
29 17:17:00 kleinjt rthc:!
29 17:17:00 rthc oh, whoops
29 17:18:00 rthc i probably won't make it over there in time
29 18:11:00 Morasique did anyone make it to lug?
29 18:34:00 kleinjt yes
29 18:35:00 Morasique woo!
29 18:35:00 Morasique so is there any chance of the new people coming back?
29 19:02:00 kleinjt yes
29 19:02:00 Morasique double woo
29 19:03:00 Morasique clearly you didn't let tommost present then
29 19:37:00 RHKratos fuck........my download didn't pause........yay 56k........
29 19:38:00 Morasique good times
29 19:47:00 RHKratos only reason I'm at that point is thanks to my dumb ass roommate and netflix on the 360 going through my router
29 19:49:00 Morasique i never thought of that, that's annoying
29 23:53:00 Morasique portage just took 4m50s to calculate dependencies for a single package that has none. this is getting ridiculous
29 23:54:00 tommost__ Why does it take so long?
29 23:56:00 Morasique i have no idea
30 00:00:00 Morasique woo emacs 23
30 21:09:00 kleinjt ...
30 21:46:00 Morasique it's true
31 10:22:00 rthc interesting read: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7574/1/
31 12:51:00 andy753421 I wish they benchmarked warm/cold start time with -Os -O2 and -O3 :/
31 12:52:00 andy753421 and memory usage :/
31 16:08:00 Morasique does vim let you have multiple modes in one buffer?
31 16:08:00 Morasique i guess that was phrased stupidly. different modes in different parts of a single buffer
31 16:09:00 andy753421 what do you mean by `mode'?
31 16:10:00 andy753421 and what do you mean by buffer? ;)
31 16:10:00 andy753421 or better yet, what exactly are you trying to do?
31 16:11:00 Morasique i don't know what vim calls stuff. buffers are the things you look at that hold files, modes do stuff to the files like syntax-highlight them, generally depending on language
31 16:11:00 Morasique there's things like HTML, where i have javascript in the middle of the file, and there's an html-mode and a javascript-mode, but i can't use them together
31 16:11:00 Morasique i have to switch depending on which part i'm coding
31 16:11:00 andy753421 oh, vim does that automatically
31 16:12:00 Morasique T_T
31 16:12:00 andy753421 when you write a syntax file you can do `syn include @fooSyntax syntax/foo.vim'
31 16:13:00 Morasique i don't know anything about the syntax file, but it'd be nice if i could just apply different modes to different parts of the buffer
31 16:13:00 Morasique but apparently they're not designed that way
31 16:13:00 andy753421 so for example, in the mk syntax file I wrote, i include either the rc, or sh syntax file (depending on the value of the MKSHELL variable) and then use those for the bodies of the rules
31 16:16:00 andy753421 for example, this uses bits form the php, html, css, and javascript syntax files: http://vpaste.net/UiApv?
31 16:16:00 Morasique well, somebody should do that for emacs
31 16:17:00 andy753421 it's a bit hard to specify manually (you'd have to create/modify the syntax files) but i don't think i've ever wanted to do that..
31 16:23:00 andy753421 so what's new in emacs 23?
31 16:29:00 Morasique well, dbus support, which i've been dying for
31 16:29:00 Morasique ...
31 16:30:00 rthc someone should add dbus and hal support to vim
31 16:31:00 Morasique the only thing they added that i care about is daemon mode, which is glorious. you can start emacs once like that and then all the other instances start really fast
31 16:34:00 andy753421 there was a post on vim-dev about that a while back
31 16:34:00 andy753421 let me see if I can find it..
31 16:35:00 andy753421 yea.. vim starts in ~0.1 seconds anyway: http://vpaste.net/UCv0p
31 16:37:00 andy753421 there it is: http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev/browse_thread/thread/b14a4272b5747f2e
31 16:37:00 andy753421 it was mostly ignored, luckily :)
31 16:38:00 Morasique yeah, i considered not mentioning it, but oh well
31 19:21:00 andy753421 i just wrote/changed 1500 lines of code without any testing, i don't foresee this compile going well :(
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