01 20:49:00 andy7534211 luglog!
01 20:49:00 kleinjt tommost!
01 20:49:00 andy7534211 so, what'd you do to fix it?
01 20:49:00 tommost Nothing.
01 20:50:00 andy7534211 hm..
01 20:50:00 tommost It successfully leased to eth0.40.
01 20:50:00 andy7534211 alright
01 20:50:00 kleinjt I'm having problems logging in with my password
01 20:50:00 andy7534211 i'm going to re-enabled all the services (kleinjt: e.g. ldap) and then reboot it and hopefully it'll come back up on it's own
01 20:52:00 andy7534211 ok, rebooting
01 21:06:00 tommost So, do we actually know what was wrong?
01 21:07:00 andy7534211 not particularly, what got printed to the screen when it first tried (and failed) to get an address when it was booting?
01 21:08:00 tommost No idea.
01 21:09:00 tommost Is dhcp.sh still relevant?
01 21:15:00 Morasique is everything fixed then? as in, can i switch back to using the lug server for irc?
01 21:16:00 tommost Good question.
01 21:16:00 Morasique well, i'm throwing caution to the wind and going for it
01 21:16:00 tommost It's taking me an awfully long time to send me my wiki confirmation e-mail.
01 21:17:00 Morasique is it to gmail?
01 21:17:00 tommost Er, sort of.
01 21:18:00 tommost It gets forwarded there eventually.
01 21:18:00 Morasique well, i know there was some problem sending to me that i think was related to gmail
01 21:18:00 Morasique i don't remember what it was anymore, i just remember andy7534211 trying to fix it
01 21:19:00 tommost Goddamn it, another reboot?
01 21:19:00 Morasique_desk shit
01 21:25:00 Morasique tommost: it's the standard net connection script, net.eth0 is just a symlink
01 21:26:00 tommost That doesn't make it less scary.
01 21:26:00 tommost hugs /etc/network/interfaces
01 21:27:00 Morasique er. wtf. i saw the raw CTCP on this session, but the action on the other
01 21:27:00 Morasique_desk test
01 21:27:00 Morasique_desk ...yeah, something's broken
01 21:27:00 tommost irssi on lug has been weird for a long time.
01 21:28:00 Morasique_desk it worked for me before the break
01 21:28:00 tommost It never did utf-8 for me.
01 21:28:00 tommost But I may have just not set up screen for that.
01 21:28:00 Morasique_desk well, utf8 has never worked for me anyway, i can't get my terminal set up right
01 21:28:00 Morasique_desk test
01 21:28:00 Morasique_desk what the hell??
01 21:31:00 Morasique i don't know how this could've possibly broken
01 21:32:00 tommost Hmm, I have root on the server.
01 21:32:00 Morasique good, fix it
01 21:32:00 tommost I need to come up with something clever to do with it.
01 21:32:00 Morasique all messages show up prefixed with plus signs
01 21:32:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure that's not normal
01 21:32:00 tommost emerge world?
01 21:33:00 tommost I'm emerging tree.
01 21:33:00 tommost enjoys his abuse of power
01 21:34:00 andy7534211 tommost: yo?
01 21:34:00 Morasiqu1 i'm quickly realizing why andy7534211 didn't give everyone root
01 21:34:00 andy7534211 ?
01 21:34:00 tommost Morasiqu1: Yeah, it was obvious.
01 21:35:00 Morasiqu1 apparently screen is the thing breaking irssi
01 21:35:00 tommost andy7534211: Did you reboot the server?
01 21:35:00 andy7534211 yea, about 5 minutes ago
01 21:35:00 tommost andy7534211: Also, does e-mail work from it?
01 21:35:00 tommost I.e. when will I get my wiki confirmation e-mail?
01 21:36:00 andy7534211 tommost: we discussed email issues a little bit ago
01 21:37:00 andy7534211 are you still in the lab, and is the server beeping?
01 21:37:00 tommost Morasiqu1 and I did; you didn't say anything.
01 21:37:00 tommost Yes I am, and no it isn't.
01 21:37:00 Morasiqu1 tommost: he's probably referring to when he and i talked about it weeks ago
01 21:37:00 tommost Oh, well, I don't think that I was here then.
01 21:37:00 tommost Or at least, I don't have logs of it.
01 21:38:00 andy7534211 hm, ok, the pc speaker must not be working
01 21:38:00 andy7534211 tommost; so last time it rebooted, it came up on it's own?
01 21:39:00 tommost No, I had to restart net.eth0
01 21:40:00 andy7534211 ok..
01 21:44:00 Morasiqu1 "--- Irssi: Unknown command: script"
01 21:44:00 Morasiqu1 uh...no
01 21:45:00 andy7534211 tommost: rebooting again
01 21:45:00 tommost Okay.
01 22:07:00 Morasiqu1 test
01 22:08:00 Morasiqu1 yeah, i'm pretty sure something's wrong with the server irssi
01 22:08:00 Morasiqu1 i built it from source and this copy works fine
01 22:11:00 Morasique one of the many people with root access should install Net::Twitter from cpan when you get a chance
02 00:05:00 andy7534211 to whom it may concern: i'm switching aweather to git, `git clone git://lug.rose-hulman.edu/proj/aweather'
02 00:05:00 andy7534211 it's sad that the entire git repository take less disk space than the svn checkout :/
02 06:35:00 Morasique somebody should look into why mysql is maxing out every core on the lug server with its hundreds of threads
02 06:35:00 Morasique 787% cpu usage. not something you see every day
02 06:45:00 andy753421 oh, i know why
02 06:46:00 andy753421 (it doesn't like the default cflags)
02 06:46:00 andy753421 in other news, is there a way to set custom cflags for certain programs?
02 06:47:00 Morasique i thought that was the point of use flags; if there's a cflag you'd want to set, there's a use flag that will set it
02 06:47:00 andy753421 use flags are generally ./configure flags
02 06:47:00 Morasique ah
02 06:47:00 andy753421 i'm referring to things like -O3 vs. -O2
02 06:47:00 andy753421 (I think it's -O3 that breaks mysql)
02 06:49:00 Morasique it sounds like this is the easiest way: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/186864/focus=186874
02 06:58:00 Morasique yay, sane cpu usage
02 06:58:00 Morasique except the urtbot is taking a whole core. wtf
02 08:06:00 andy753421 woot: https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/git/?p=proj/aweather
02 08:06:00 andy753421 gitweb is another nice thing about git
02 08:08:00 andy753421 also of note, you can put repos in your home directories on the server and then access them at git://lug.rose-hulman.edu/~user/<repo>
02 08:09:00 Morasique speaking of which, it would be nice if http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/~user/ linked to some folder in our home directories. i don't know how hard that is to do
02 08:16:00 andy753421 it's easy to do, but harder to make secure
02 08:17:00 tommost Oh cool, 802.1q.
02 08:17:00 tommost I should have read the backlog earlier.
02 08:17:00 andy753421 reading the backlog eh?
02 10:01:00 andy7534211 one nice thing about git, renaming is a hell of a lot easier
02 10:02:00 Morasique svn mv?
02 10:04:00 andy7534211 Morasique: that works alright if you only want to move one or two files and don't forget and accidentally use normal `mv' first
02 10:05:00 andy7534211 but i always forget, then i have to move them back and then svn move them back again
02 10:06:00 andy7534211 and you have to for loop with sed or something instead of using `rename' for multiple simmilar moves
02 10:06:00 Morasique yeah, i hate that. it's worse with delete
02 10:08:00 andy7534211 delete is bad in svn/
02 18:53:00 kleinjt should I say that we will be having a lug meeting tomorrow?
02 19:04:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure rthc said you were
02 19:49:00 rthc yah, we're having a meeting
02 19:50:00 rthc and a special election to replace jay as PR person
02 19:50:00 rthc (hint: baty wins the election)
02 19:54:00 tommost Someone changed the root password. How am I supposed to install cowsay? :'(
02 19:55:00 kleinjt I forget what I changed it to :/
02 19:55:00 tommost How did you figure out what it was in the first place?
02 19:56:00 tommost I suspect you of untruth.
02 19:56:00 kleinjt the password andy gave me didn't work
02 19:56:00 kleinjt so I rebooted with init=/bin/bash and changed it
02 19:56:00 tommost Er, when?
02 19:57:00 kleinjt about a week or so ago
02 19:57:00 tommost Oh, then that shouldn't matter.
02 19:57:00 tommost I think that andy must be on sudoers or something; he somehow keeps resetting the password without knowing it.
02 20:07:00 Morasique of course he is, why wouldn't he be?
02 20:09:00 tommost ...
02 20:10:00 Morasique i'm confused
02 21:41:00 andy7534211 How'd the activities fair go?
02 21:41:00 tommost ...
02 21:41:00 andy7534211 should i read the log?
02 21:41:00 tommost Er, I guess.
02 21:42:00 tommost I should go to sleep...
02 21:42:00 andy7534211 speaking of which, luglog is back so I actually can
02 21:42:00 tommost We didn't have a poster or anything; Jon just stood behind a table with a few sign-up sheets.
02 21:42:00 tommost A few people signed up.
02 21:43:00 tommost It went somewhat better for RT; we eventually got the robot moving.
02 21:44:00 andy7534211 alright, speaking of backlog, the RT server has a static IP
02 21:45:00 tommost And this won't ever expire?
02 21:45:00 andy7534211 I don't think so
02 21:46:00 andy7534211 what's a PPA?
02 21:48:00 andy7534211 As for root passwords, ideally we wouldn't have one and we'd use sudo/public key.
02 21:49:00 andy7534211 oh what the hell? i just net-splitted with myself
03 00:50:00 andy753421 (General setup -> Export task/process statistics through netlink -> Enable per-task storage I/O accounting)++
03 07:01:00 tommost kleinjt: You should send Dr. Mellor an e-mail to send to all-campus about the meeting tonight.
03 07:08:00 tommost They are installing a Microsoft Surface in F225.
03 07:09:00 tommost dpick!
03 07:09:00 tommost Hi.
03 07:09:00 dpick hi
03 07:09:00 dpick I don't have anything to do, its a weird feeling
03 07:10:00 tommost It will pass.
03 07:10:00 tommost There might be some pain involved.
03 07:10:00 dpick I'm sure Sriram will make sure of it
03 07:11:00 tommost Yeah...
03 07:11:00 tommost hugs PLP close
03 07:14:00 rthc yeah, we need to install linux on the surface tonight.
03 07:15:00 tommost cackles madly
03 07:15:00 andy753421 make sure you don't install X
03 07:17:00 rthc it appears to just have a sata drive, so swapping that out and booting linux on it shouldn't be too big of an issue
03 07:18:00 Morasique tommost: was that for a senior project? i heard one was going to try and get a surface
03 07:18:00 tommost No idea. I'll ask.
03 07:19:00 tommost It's for a thesis.
03 07:19:00 Morasique oh, maybe that was it
03 07:20:00 Morasique what's it for?
03 07:20:00 tommost ...a thesis.
03 07:21:00 tommost Also other projects, apparently. They want to get people to explore more than a mouse and keyboard.
03 07:21:00 Morasique because usually thesis proposals are "a thesis"
03 07:21:00 Morasique "an examination on the effects of installing a microsoft surface in a computer science lab"
03 07:21:00 Morasique s/on/of/
03 07:23:00 tommost I'll find out eventually, I imagine.
03 07:24:00 tommost In the mean time, we can play with it during the LUG meeting.
03 07:24:00 Morasique oh, it's already up?
03 07:24:00 tommost Isn't X getting multitouch support nowish?
03 07:24:00 tommost Yeah, it's on.
03 07:24:00 tommost They really just took it out of the box and put it on the floor.
03 07:25:00 tommost I honestly had no idea it was a real, physical product and not just a research project.
03 07:27:00 andy753421 what does it actually do (other than cost a lot and maybe look cool?)
03 07:28:00 tommost Good question.
03 07:29:00 Morasique andy753421: when you set a glass on it, bubbles come out
03 07:29:00 Morasique !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03 07:29:00 Morasique http://sysop073.blogspot.com/2008/03/its-just-like-real-table.html
03 07:29:00 Morasique i really want to try coding something for it though
03 07:30:00 andy753421 i imagine it's be pretty simmilar to coding for anything else..
03 07:30:00 rthc i started reading that and i thought it was funny
03 07:30:00 Morasique anything else with 10 mouse pointers, yes
03 07:30:00 rthc then, shocked, i see a terminal with "mrozekma@mrozekma-1" in PS1
03 07:30:00 andy753421 er, you don't usually specify /which/ mouse pointer to use, so i imagine it just does the same thing for all of them
03 07:31:00 Morasique rthc: a gnome-terminal even; that post is ancient
03 07:31:00 tommost It does nothing, apparently. They say they need more PhDs in the room.
03 07:32:00 Morasique tommost: clearly you haven't tried organizing your photos yet
03 07:33:00 andy753421 the photos thing might actually be nice
03 07:34:00 andy753421 organizing photos from the command line tends to suck, i think that's pretty much the only reason i have nautilus installed
03 07:36:00 Morasique i think i've taken like 5 photos in my life, so i don't really know what goes into organizing them. i would think a nice grid layout like tons of desktop programs can give you would be much simpler than scattering the photos all over the place on top of one another
03 07:37:00 andy753421 yea, the scattering is probably annoying, but being able to touch/drag them to folders would be nice
03 08:18:00 kleinjt tommost_: I'll wait to send the all campus until the next meeting
03 08:18:00 kleinjt when we've got a prepared presentation and whatnot
03 09:54:00 ZetaSyanthis it's also what TI suggested
03 09:55:00 Morasique the likelihood of people understanding what "it" is decreases with every minute since "it" was last referenced by name
03 11:49:00 kleinjt professors standing over the surface: "keep the lug out of here"
03 11:50:00 tommost Heh heh heh.
03 11:51:00 Morasique based on the fawning over the testing lab, it'll be hard to get near that thing for a while
03 11:51:00 tommost They're switching to a new C book this year.
03 11:52:00 andy753421 is it by brian and dennis?
03 11:52:00 tommost Programming in C, by Stephen Kochan
03 11:53:00 Morasique i don't even remember having a book in OS. that's probably a bad sign
03 11:54:00 tommost This is 120R.
03 11:55:00 Morasique oh, right, i forgot they started teaching C in 120
03 12:40:00 kleinjt everbody better show up to lug today
03 12:44:00 rthc f225 is mostly empty. i think i'll play on the surface
03 12:44:00 kleinjt hrm, I'm in f217
03 12:44:00 kleinjt I recall them saying they locked it down
03 12:44:00 kleinjt and all you could access was the water pond simulator
03 12:45:00 kleinjt however, there were free usb ports
03 12:56:00 Morasique what else would you want besides the water pond simulator?
03 12:56:00 Morasique also, they locked the mac down, and it took me like 5 minutes to get root on that thing. the surface runs windows, it's probably worse
03 13:09:00 tommost LUG MEETING!
03 13:16:00 Morasique you were supposed to move it to 7:30
03 13:16:00 Morasique T_T
03 13:36:00 rthc september 16: installfest
03 13:36:00 andy753421 so why aren't all the freshman on irc yet?
03 13:45:00 povilusr-laptop poke
03 13:45:00 povilusr-laptop anybody here
03 13:46:00 povilusr-laptop yell at baty for me
03 14:04:00 Morasique rthc: did any freshman come?
03 14:14:00 povilusr-laptop ANDY
03 14:14:00 povilusr-laptop you did the teniss ball in image rec right?
03 14:14:00 andy753421 er?
03 14:14:00 andy753421 yea, why?
03 14:15:00 povilusr-laptop what was that circle maching tequnique called?
03 14:15:00 andy753421 hough circles
03 14:15:00 povilusr-laptop ah
03 14:15:00 povilusr-laptop thanx
03 14:16:00 povilusr-laptop thought it was hough but all i was getting was the lines version
03 14:16:00 andy753421 i wrote a sweet article on it: http://wiki.elphel.com/index.php?title=OpenCV
03 14:25:00 rthc Morasique: no :'(
03 14:25:00 andy753421 did you spam all-campus?
03 14:25:00 rthc not yet, we will for the next meeting
03 14:25:00 andy753421 oh, ok
03 14:26:00 collinjc We should do it with more than a week in advance. And then when the week comes we can send a new message each day, telling how long it will be.
03 14:26:00 collinjc Only we can screw up at least two of them and send a correction 30 seconds later.
03 14:27:00 andy753421 collinjc: aren't you supposed to be the new server admin?
03 14:27:00 collinjc I am indeed. Apparently the treasurer as well.
03 14:27:00 andy753421 ok, we need to talk about stuff
03 14:28:00 collinjc Feel free to share your wisdom with me.
03 14:31:00 andy753421 collinjc: do you have gpg set up?
03 14:32:00 collinjc No, I just finished getting everything installed on my laptop yesterday after formatting it. I'll do that now.
03 14:35:00 Morasique rthc: did any stop by at the fair?
03 14:35:00 rthc Morasique: yeah, kleinjt was manning the table though.
03 14:36:00 Morasique oh. poor decision
03 14:40:00 collinjc andy753421: If everything went well, my public key should be here https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/gpg/index.php
03 14:43:00 andy753421 ok, you should have an email
03 14:47:00 collinjc Do you have a different public key for your gmail account?
03 14:47:00 andy753421 my gmail and rose accounts both use the same public/private key pair
03 14:47:00 andy753421 why?
03 14:48:00 collinjc Just making sure I have the correct key.
03 14:48:00 collinjc I got it though, so we're set.
03 14:48:00 andy753421 alright
03 14:49:00 andy753421 (you should be able to fetch my key with gpg --search-keys andy753421@gmail.com)
03 14:51:00 collinjc Cool. That's much easier.
03 14:52:00 andy753421 anyway, to start off, you should add your user to the admin group in ldap
03 14:52:00 andy753421 the easiest way is probably to use the web interface at https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/ldap/
03 14:55:00 andy753421 too log in, you'll need to use the ldap equiv. to root: `cn=Manager,dc=lug,dc=rose-hulman,dc=edu'
03 14:56:00 andy753421 the on the left you can expand the stuff and go to `cn=admin,ou=Group,dc=lug,dc=rose-hulman,dc=edu'
03 14:57:00 andy753421 then just go down to memberUid and `add value' and your username
03 14:57:00 collinjc I'm getting an invalid username/password.
03 14:58:00 collinjc On the initial login.
03 14:58:00 andy753421 ok, you're using the second password i sent?
03 14:58:00 collinjc No, the first. I'll try the second (and presumably stop having problems)
03 15:02:00 collinjc I'll keep you there as well.
03 15:02:00 andy753421 alright
03 15:02:00 andy753421 i'm thinking we should probably ad J.P. as well
03 15:03:00 andy753421 i.e. give him all the passwords access rights etc, what do you/everyone else think of that idea?
03 15:03:00 collinjc Probably a good idea since he's going to presumably be there longer than I am.
03 15:03:00 andy753421 yea, that was my thinking
03 15:04:00 andy753421 once you have yourself added, try logging into the lug server as your username and running something with sudo (e.g sudo ls)
03 15:04:00 andy753421 the ldap groups get mapped to unix groups and admin is is allowed to use sudo
03 15:06:00 andy753421 if you want to take a look at the ldap config files, the important ones are /etc/ldap.conf, the files in /etc/openldap/, /etc/nsswitch.conf, and /etc/pam.d/system-auth
03 15:06:00 collinjc Okay, cool. Everything seems to work.
03 15:07:00 andy753421 alright, you can also do sudo su to get a root prompt
03 15:07:00 collinjc Yeah.
03 15:07:00 andy753421 at some point you should read NOTES and TODO in /root/
03 15:07:00 collinjc Okay, I'm heading out with some people to get some food, but feel free to continue to tell me things. I shouldn't be gone long.
03 15:08:00 collinjc Hmm, those sound fun.
03 15:09:00 andy753421 alright, i tried to document a lot of the config information in there, documentation for individual files in /etc is fairly sparse, just read the man pages, *.example's, or ask if you have questions
03 15:09:00 collinjc Sounds good to me.
03 15:11:00 andy753421 other accounts you should probably be aware of: the mailing list account, the lug mysql account, the freenode irc account (i should transfer that to you/J.P. sometime), the DNS account (you'll have to get IAIT to set you up with a password, they don't have it configured to use kerberos yet so they give out individual accounts to users)
03 15:14:00 andy753421 oh, and the `lug' account
03 15:15:00 andy753421 non-ldap user accounts have home directories in /home/<user>, right now the only one is `lug'
03 15:16:00 andy753421 all the lug content (www files/wiki, svn, git, rsync etc) are owned by lug and stored in /home/lug/
03 15:17:00 andy753421 the main exceptions being databases such as the ldap database and the mysql database, those are in the normal places (under /var/)
03 15:21:00 Morasique do we control the dns for lug.rose-hulman.edu? i would've gotten a subdomain if i'd known that
03 15:23:00 andy753421 yes and no, we have to use some stupid Java SWT interface to do anything with it and we're limited to adding a few types of records (A, CNAME, and i think a few others)
03 15:23:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever used anything but A and CNAME
03 15:24:00 andy753421 MX being the important one
03 15:24:00 andy753421 and PTR
03 15:28:00 Morasique oh yeah, i didn't think of MX
03 15:28:00 Morasique lug e-mail ftw
03 15:28:00 Morasique i have no idea what PTR is
03 15:29:00 andy753421 a PTR would let us do `host 137.112.40.130' and have it return lug.rose-hulman.edu
03 15:29:00 Morasique ah
03 15:29:00 andy753421 (also rather important for email)
03 15:32:00 andy753421 oh, i should point out that the easiest way to launch the dns software has to be run from addiator, so the easiest way to do it is to run `sudo ssh -L 443:dna.rose-hulman.edu:443 spenceal@addiator.rose-hulman.edu -f sleep $((60*60))' and then point your browser at https://localhost/
03 15:33:00 andy753421 s/the easiest way to launch//
03 19:38:00 tommost So I'm thinking about changing window managers (currently using awesome 2.3).
03 19:38:00 tommost Has anyone tried anything interesting lately?
03 19:40:00 rthc i used wmaker this summer a bit.
03 19:42:00 tommost Well, this would be for my laptop, so I'd prefer something tiled.
03 19:42:00 tommost Also, I think that I have to tag the Wikipedia article for wmaker with {{advert}}
03 19:43:00 rthc i wouldn't choose to use wmaker, but it came with cygwin by default so i used it for a bit.
03 19:43:00 rthc way too used to tiling wms now
03 19:43:00 tommost It cites this poll: http://xwinman.org/vote.php
03 19:43:00 tommost Clearly an unbiased source.
03 19:44:00 rthc this website looks like it's straight out of the nineties
03 19:44:00 tommost Frankly, there's no way that Metacity should be at the bottom. And how is Metacity different from Gnome?
03 19:44:00 tommost And where is Compiz?
03 19:45:00 rthc it might be from the nineties.
03 19:45:00 tommost And awesome?
03 19:45:00 rthc gnome used to use sawfish, iirc
03 19:45:00 rthc gnome shouldn't be on there anyway
03 19:45:00 tommost Yeah, it's a DE.
03 19:45:00 rthc nor kde, obviously, even xfce is questionable (i think
03 19:45:00 rthc certainly not cde either.
03 19:46:00 tommost Who uses CDE any more?
03 19:46:00 rthc the same people who use twm?
03 19:46:00 rthc s/people/kind of &/
03 19:47:00 tommost All twm has going for it is its name.
03 19:48:00 rthc it has a simple and consistent color scheme as well
03 19:48:00 tommost Yes, ugly and more ugly.
03 19:48:00 tommost With highlights of ugly.
03 19:48:00 rthc ah, i believe you're describing xmaple -cw
03 19:49:00 tommost I can't describe that; it has never worked for me.
03 19:58:00 tommost Speaking of pancakes, when will I be able to edit the wiki, andy753421, collinjc_server?
04 10:28:00 andy753421 tommost_: if you set your email address to your rose address it'll send properly
04 10:29:00 andy753421 we need to talk to IAIT in order to figure out a way to send email to outside servers
05 18:59:00 Morasique andy753421: collinjc_lug: can one of you install net::twitter from cpan?
05 22:21:00 minifig404 tommost, you there?
05 22:23:00 minifig404 tommost_, no?
06 22:18:00 Morasique :D i like the first bullet: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=126369
06 22:19:00 Morasique i'll be happy if it's true, i'm sick of flash sucking on linux
06 22:28:00 tommost How will that help you? Don't you have an Nvidia card?
06 22:29:00 Morasique oh, yeah. i didn't really pay attention to what the patch was for
06 22:32:00 tommost I need a job ad for TechComm.
07 05:11:00 kleinjt isting before e-mailing them to Sriram; I listed #28 first.
07 05:11:00 kleinjt 00:03 <@tommost> "Create an automated VMware appliance creator and backup utility that can be managed using a web-based interface incorporated into an existing SharePoint site."
07 05:11:00 kleinjt 00:04 <@tommost> VMware, okay. SharePoint? no.
07 05:11:00 kleinjt ...
07 05:11:00 tommost Yeah, he e-mailed me back to say they'd already been picked.
07 05:11:00 tommost I am terrified.
07 05:13:00 kleinjt I like the new white on red background series of emails we've been getting
07 20:16:00 tommost__ Desktop, woo!
07 20:16:00 tommost__ Now, what homework do I have?
07 20:18:00 kleinjt visual studio plugins?
07 20:19:00 tommost__ cries in the corner
07 20:22:00 rthc heh heh heh
08 10:10:00 Morasique i ran less in a windows terminal and got "WARNING: terminal is not fully functional"
08 10:10:00 Morasique that made my day
08 10:22:00 tommost Hehe.
09 19:52:00 Morasique do most people making gtk interfaces use something like glade, or do they do it by hand?
09 19:54:00 tommost I see lots of newer programs using glade.
09 19:54:00 tommost New new ones use glade + GTKBuilder
09 20:30:00 Morasique hot damn. i made a dialog appear
09 20:31:00 tommost Bam!
09 20:32:00 rthc average sized dialogue?
10 01:39:00 Morasique i'm a big fan of color buttons, that's a nice way to represent a chosen color
10 01:39:00 Morasique glares at JColorChooser
10 05:27:00 tommost__ Morasique: What about color blind people?
10 05:59:00 Morasique tommost_: i don't care about them
10 11:59:00 kleinjt so, should I send out a bounce for the lug meeting?
10 11:59:00 kleinjt topic: planning the presentation next week
10 12:00:00 Morasique solid topic. a big draw
10 12:00:00 tommost Topic: Planning the installfest. And the BBQ.
10 12:00:00 kleinjt right, better topic
10 12:01:00 tommost Also, figuring out what SGA paperwork remains.
10 12:01:00 tommost Also, robotics. Of course.
10 12:02:00 kleinjt I won't mention the SGA paperwork part..
10 12:04:00 tommost Wise.
10 12:07:00 kleinjt OMGWTFLUGBBQ
10 12:07:00 tommost kleinjt: I suggest that you configure mailman to automatically add the [LUG]/[RHLUG]/[WTFLUGTODAY] bit.
10 12:07:00 kleinjt it is more fun to type it
10 12:10:00 tommost I'd appreciate more consistency.
10 12:10:00 kleinjt it is done
10 12:24:00 tommost kleinjt: You should probably set the reply-to to yourself, unless we want the mailing list to be more of a mailing list.
10 12:26:00 kleinjt tommost: I don't have a problem of the mailing list as a mailing list
10 12:26:00 tommost Well, okay then.
10 12:30:00 kleinjt blast, seeing those replies, I'll set the reply-to to be myself
10 12:32:00 kleinjt so it is set
10 12:32:00 kleinjt tommost: any other insights?
10 12:33:00 tommost Not at the moment. I'll be sure to share anything that comes to me, however.
10 13:28:00 rthc ``you know what the surface needs? firetext.'' -- kleinjt
10 13:33:00 Morasique rthc: i can't think of a better application of firetext
10 14:48:00 kleinjt okay, so, bbq next weekend, installfest next week?
10 14:49:00 tommost Yup.
10 17:15:00 tommost__ http://openslam.org/gmapping.html
10 17:16:00 tommost__ I really want a LIDAR.
10 17:19:00 rthc relevance?
10 17:19:00 tommost__ It might be interesting to apply this algorithm to data gained through vision processing.
10 17:20:00 rthc ->#rh{rt,robot}?
10 17:20:00 tommost__ Oh, yeah, I meant #rhrt.
10 17:21:00 tommost__ Which I'm not in, for some reason.
10 17:21:00 tommost__ Or it would be the rightmost tab.
10 17:21:00 tommost__ Er, it was just hidden.
10 17:22:00 Morasique tommost__: check your other 7 connections
11 12:15:00 tommost Does AFS work for anyone else on the LUG server?
11 12:15:00 tommost It doesn't for me, nor does it work on my own server.
11 12:16:00 andy753421 beats me, i don't have an AFS account anymore :'(
11 12:16:00 tommost On my server it just hangs; on the LUG server it gives an error code.
11 12:17:00 tommost Support ticket!
11 12:17:00 tommost Unfortunately this is going to block posting the Thorn. :(
11 12:18:00 andy753421 does it work from addiator?
11 12:19:00 tommost I'll check.
11 12:20:00 tommost It does.
11 12:20:00 tommost I'd expect that they would have noticed that if it broke, though.
11 12:21:00 andy753421 what's the error message on lug?
11 12:22:00 tommost aklog: unable to obtain tokens for cell rose-hulman.edu (status: 11862788).
11 12:23:00 tommost kinit seems to work.
11 12:23:00 tommost On my server kinit just hangs.
11 12:24:00 andy753421 try kinit -V
11 12:25:00 tommost There is no -V flag.
11 12:25:00 andy753421 erm..
11 12:27:00 andy753421 http://dpaste.com/92425/
11 12:28:00 andy753421 brb
11 12:31:00 tommost I'm doing this on my own server.
11 12:31:00 andy753421 ubuntu--
11 12:32:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/92430/
11 12:33:00 tommost This is my server; it needs to get redone with Debian because it's on an unsupported Ubuntu release.
11 12:33:00 andy753421 well, you should run kinit -V on lug, because it has a -V flag there
11 12:34:00 tommost It just says "Authenticated to Kerberos v5".
11 12:37:00 andy753421 oh wait, you said aklog was the problem :) heh
11 12:37:00 andy753421 aklog -d? ;)
11 12:39:00 tommost kinit is the problem on my server; aklog is the problem on lug.
11 12:40:00 andy753421 oh
11 12:40:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/92436/
11 12:41:00 andy753421 don't know, you could check the kerberos/afs configuration on addiator to see if they made any changes, they topically don't bother telling people when the do..
11 12:42:00 tommost Yeah, I'm sending a ticket asking about it.
11 19:26:00 andy753421 collinjc_.*: have you tried contacting IAIT so we can send email from the server?
11 22:10:00 Morasique http://htop.sourceforge.net/128.png
11 22:16:00 andy7534211 hehe, i saw that a couple days ago when I was trying to figure out how to enable IO stats
13 15:24:00 kleinjt so, we're apparently holding an installfest this week?
13 15:24:00 Morasique cheers
13 15:25:00 kleinjt I'll send an email to mellor tomorrow
14 10:38:00 andy753421 Morasique: by `relocations', are you referring to chroot, or the things in object files?
14 10:38:00 Morasique the latter
14 10:38:00 tommost_ And here I thought you were talking about memory pages.
14 10:39:00 Morasique i'm talking about changing addresses in code based on how it gets linked together, and where it gets loaded in memory
14 10:39:00 Morasique it seems like something we probably should've covered, but i don't remember learning it at rose, i was just vaguely aware it happens
14 10:40:00 andy753421 we might have touched on it when we went over virtual memory, but i doubt we got into object files much..
14 10:40:00 andy753421 we didn't really talk about shared/static libraries either did we?
14 10:42:00 Morasique i don't think so
14 10:48:00 tommost_ They were mentioned when I took it.
14 15:18:00 kleinjt so, we are holding the installfest on wednesday at 4:20 in F225?
14 15:18:00 kleinjt if yes, I'll send out an email
14 15:19:00 rthc indeed
14 17:20:00 Morasique oh yeah, i still maintain that the irssi on the lug server is screwed up. i forgot i was running a copy out of my home directory
14 18:02:00 andy753421 I <3 the lug ldap server
14 18:05:00 rthc why's that?
14 18:07:00 andy753421 it's nice being able to give read/write access to myself (having graduate) as well as rose-hulman people without having to set up separate passwords for everyone
14 18:48:00 andy753421 interesting, uname -v prints how many times you've tried to compile your kernel :)
14 18:50:00 Morasique tried?
14 18:50:00 andy753421 it increments the version each time you type `make' in the kernel source tree
14 18:51:00 Morasique does it reset it when you upgrade?
14 18:52:00 andy753421 i imagine so, it's just stored in /usr/src/linux/.version
14 18:52:00 andy753421 for instance: http://dpaste.com/93629/
14 20:06:00 andy753421 fyi, iait might be pissed off at you all again, since the server is doing a really big rsync
14 20:17:00 rthc how big is really big?
14 20:18:00 andy753421 4GB while I was watching it (it's done now) but probably another 5-10 before that
14 20:48:00 kleinjt mmkay, so, I've got a signals lab tomorrow during the installfest, so I may not make the start/all of it.
14 20:48:00 kleinjt will somebody actually be there at the start of it?
14 20:50:00 kleinjt http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m492ea5bd is a draft of the letter
14 20:50:00 kleinjt rthc, note I left you as the point of contact if people want to backup their harddrive to the server
14 20:55:00 kleinjt er.. s/tomorrow/wednesday
14 21:03:00 rthc looks good
14 22:09:00 kleinjt that isn't an answer to the first question
14 23:32:00 kleinjt .. I suppose I was asking, will everyone be there?
14 23:38:00 kleinjt er... or anyone
14 23:39:00 tommost__ I can be there.
14 23:40:00 tommost__ Has anyone burned Ubuntu CDs? Do we have any left from the last installfest?
14 23:40:00 tommost__ Also it's "Linus Users' Group".
14 23:40:00 tommost__ Also, who is presenting the intro to Linux on Thursday?
14 23:43:00 kleinjt http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m28230630 , better?
14 23:43:00 tommost__ Also, it should be "The Installfest is *open* to all..."
14 23:43:00 kleinjt mmmkay, I just copypastaed the one from last year
14 23:43:00 tommost__ http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m59e7fed1
14 23:43:00 kleinjt http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m78d22df <-- better?
14 23:44:00 kleinjt oh, right
14 23:44:00 kleinjt that too
14 23:44:00 kleinjt http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m3b0de07b
14 23:46:00 tommost__ Okay, now add an ASCII tux on the right. :-P
14 23:47:00 kleinjt I thought about it, but I didn't know how it would look under all mail clients
14 23:48:00 tommost__ Oh yeah, Outlook does funky things to plain text...
14 23:48:00 tommost__ You could send it to me as a test and I could look at it on the Terminal Server.
14 23:50:00 kleinjt sent
14 23:52:00 kleinjt also, I don't know how mellor's mail client will treat it when it is forwarded
14 23:53:00 tommost__ Oh, that looks just fine.
14 23:54:00 tommost__ And that's after Outlook did its line break removal stuff.
14 23:57:00 kleinjt so, are we going for all students or all campus?
15 00:01:00 rthc s/Michael //
15 00:02:00 kleinjt mmmkay, that is fixed. any insights on all student versus all campus?
15 00:02:00 tommost__ It seems legitimately all-campus, especially since we've gotten faculty before.
15 00:02:00 kleinjt okay
15 00:02:00 rthc all-campus indeed
15 00:04:00 kleinjt sent
15 00:27:00 andy753421 anyone installed 2.6.31 yet?
15 00:28:00 rthc nope. i ran into issues with 2.6.29 & fglrx a while ago and am too busy to fight with it now
15 00:31:00 Morasique i'm still flying high with .27
15 00:31:00 rthc .28 here
15 00:31:00 andy753421 ah, i'm running into issues with 31 and ndis/nvidia
15 00:31:00 rthc glares at the lack of a 2.7 branch
15 00:31:00 andy753421 heh
15 00:32:00 rthc i know they know better than i do, but still, it seems like this is causing some issues...
15 00:32:00 andy753421 eh, i suppose it usually works if you stay 2 or 3 version behind, which is still probably more up-to-date than 2.6 would be if they had a 2.7
15 00:32:00 rthc i never really looked at it that way
15 00:34:00 tommost__ I think I'm still on .28
15 00:55:00 tommost__ http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/HOWTO_Trac_and_Subversion_VM
15 00:56:00 Morasique change "Send Darryl an e-mail message asking for a VM" to "make a VM on your own computer" and you're good to go
15 00:57:00 Morasique i made a VM once and just made copies when i needed it, it was quite efficient
15 00:57:00 andy753421 speaking of VMs, has anyone used virtio-blk with qemu or something?
15 00:58:00 tommost__ The advantage of having Darryl do it is that it gets a fancy hostname.csse.rose-hulman.edu address that's publicly accessible.
15 00:58:00 Morasique the disadvantage is...well, there's too many to count, really
15 00:58:00 Morasique also, your computer is publically accessible too
15 00:58:00 tommost__ Also, its DHCP registration won't randomly unregister, breaking everything.
15 00:58:00 tommost__ looks at TBoneULS
15 00:58:00 tommost__ Morasique: Not my desktop; it's off campus.
15 00:59:00 Morasique and off campus is sequestered from the rest of the internet somehow?
15 00:59:00 tommost__ Seriously, though. Darryl was really responsive about setting the thing up.
15 00:59:00 andy753421 wait, are they running ubuntu on the vms now instead of fedora?
15 00:59:00 tommost__ He asked me what distro I wanted.
15 00:59:00 andy753421 hm, okok
15 00:59:00 Morasique nice. fedora ftl
15 01:00:00 tommost__ "The CSSE Dept can provide pre-installed versions of Windows Server, Windows XP/Vista/7, Solaris X86, and Fedora or Ubuntu Linux. If some other distro of Linux is requested, please explain why."
15 01:00:00 andy753421 ask him for LFS
15 01:01:00 tommost__ If I were he, I'd install Windows in retaliation for a comment like that.
15 01:01:00 Morasique mac os is happily absent from that list
15 01:02:00 tommost__ That might have something to do with the EULA forbidding virtualization.
15 01:03:00 Morasique vista and windows 7 do too i thought
15 01:03:00 Morasique i thought everyone just ignored it
15 01:04:00 tommost__ That would be weird, since Microsoft sells virtualization software itself.
15 01:04:00 Morasique i thought apple did too
15 01:05:00 tommost__ I mean, from Microsoft's perspective, Microsoft VM Server + Microsoft OS in Virtualized server = $$$$$$.
15 01:05:00 Morasique companies seem to enjoy depriving users of rights at the expense of money
15 01:05:00 Morasique i don't fully know why
15 01:05:00 tommost__ They don't loose anything my eliminating some extra hardware.
15 01:05:00 Morasique i'm well aware
15 11:30:00 collinjc_lug What day was the cookout supposed to be? Friday?
15 11:31:00 tommost Saturday.
15 11:31:00 collinjc_lug Okay.
15 11:31:00 tommost collinjc_lug: Also, could you install the Angstrom stuff that rthc posted about earlier on the LUG server?
15 11:32:00 collinjc_lug I missed the post. Let me look.
15 11:33:00 collinjc_lug What is it?
15 11:33:00 tommost http://sprunge.us/fEKg
15 11:34:00 collinjc_lug Isn't some of this on here?
15 11:35:00 rthc a lot of it is
15 11:35:00 rthc you're going to have to unmask psyco or something, too
15 11:36:00 collinjc_lug Okay. I'll start on this after class today.
15 11:38:00 collinjc_lug Well. I'll start the others now, but I'll get psyco after class.
15 12:32:00 kleinjt okay, I've gotten a few emails about the installfest. people it seems intend to show up. I'll make 10 or so CDs and leave them in the robotics lab. I won't be able to be there for at least the first hour.
15 12:32:00 Morasique you're having it in the robotics lab?
15 12:33:00 tommost kleinjt: I can grab them from the robotics lab.
15 12:34:00 kleinjt no, but I don't want to leave a pile of CDs inF225
15 12:34:00 kleinjt maybe if I wrote freebsd on them nobody would take them
15 12:34:00 tommost :D
15 12:35:00 Morasique ah
15 13:40:00 collinjc_lug Psyco apparently doesn't like that Python was compiled in 64-bit.
15 13:40:00 tommost_ It won't; it's 32-bit only.
15 13:41:00 collinjc_lug Cool. Any suggestions?
15 14:00:00 collinjc_lug andy753421: Any ideas as to how to best handle the fact that psyco wants a 32-bit version of python?
15 14:02:00 rthc i might not need psyco
15 14:02:00 rthc in fact, don't worry about that
15 14:02:00 collinjc_lug Cool. Then you should have everything else that was on that list.
15 14:03:00 rthc awesome, thanks
15 14:07:00 andy753421 collinjc_lug: have you tried talking to iait about email yet?
15 14:07:00 collinjc_lug Email?
15 14:07:00 andy753421 we need a way to send email from the lug server for the wiki
15 14:08:00 collinjc_lug Oh, no I have not. What do we need from them?
15 14:08:00 andy753421 right now the only way to send email off campus is though the rose-hulman smtp server, but that requires a username/password
15 14:09:00 collinjc_lug So we just need an account for the server?
15 14:09:00 andy753421 i think they could either change their firewall settings and give the server a MX address, or they could give us an account on their smtp server
15 14:09:00 andy753421 they might be able to allow the lug server to send mail without needing authentication as well, not sure though
15 14:09:00 collinjc_lug I'll bet they will be more likely to give us an account since that requires less work on their part.
15 14:10:00 andy753421 that would be my guess as well
15 14:10:00 collinjc_lug But I will ask them about it tomorrow.
15 14:33:00 tommost_ Couldn't you set it up like the RT server's Trac instance? It sends to rhspam.rose-hulman.edu and doesn't have a username/password.
15 14:33:00 tommost_ I just set up the same thing on my VM and it works there.
15 14:33:00 tommost_ I'm going to put the settings on the wiki later on my VM HOWTO.
15 14:33:00 andy753421 tommost_: maybe? (probably?) I've never tried to send mail via rhspam.rose-hulman.edu before
15 14:34:00 tommost_ andy753421: You set up the RT server to send mail...
15 14:34:00 andy753421 I did?
15 14:34:00 tommost_ It wasn't me.
15 14:34:00 andy753421 ...
15 14:35:00 Morasique rhspam sounds like a poor name for a mailserver
15 14:35:00 Morasique also rather an odd hole for iait to intentionally leave open
15 14:36:00 tommost_ Maybe it only works for on-campus addresses.
15 14:36:00 Morasique that makes sense. it seems like it should've been possible to just have the normal smtp server do that, but maybe it isn't
15 14:37:00 tommost_ I thought it was the Barracuda spam filter device.
15 14:38:00 tommost_ Yeah, the links in Spam Quarantine Summary e-mails are for rhspam.rose-hulman.edu.
15 14:38:00 Morasique yeah, but apparently it does other things if you can send mail through it too
15 14:38:00 tommost_ Perhaps it works by letting you relay mail through it.
15 14:39:00 tommost_ I mean, maybe it's like external SNMP server -> Barracuda -> final delivery method.
15 14:40:00 Morasique ah. that's an interesting way to do it
15 14:42:00 tommost_ http://www.barracudanetworks.com/ns/products/spam_overview.php
15 14:42:00 Morasique wow. i thought it was a program they ran, not a whole server
15 14:43:00 Morasique it's a mail filter, they could do it with xfilter
15 14:43:00 Morasique oh wait, i haven't taken the "12 defense layers" into account
15 14:43:00 Morasique 12 xfilters
15 14:43:00 Morasique "sender authentication"? since when? we used to talk about how it was funny rose didn't do that
15 14:43:00 tommost_ It seems like a good product to me; it's got to be a whole lot easier to administer than doing it manually.
15 14:44:00 Morasique yes, for the same amount of money no doubt
15 14:44:00 tommost_ I'm frankly glad that IAIT doesn't do filtering themselves; they'd mess it up.
15 14:44:00 Morasique i'm not suggesting they write the filter themselves, i'm suggesting they feed e-mails through it instead of sending them to a dedicated machine that does it
15 14:45:00 tommost_ Meh, it seems fine to dedicate a machine to that.
15 14:46:00 tommost_ There's a lot of e-mail buzzing around campus.
15 14:49:00 tommost_ Well, I got that test message.
15 14:49:00 tommost_ Try sending it to an external address... I have a catch-all at freecog.net.
15 14:49:00 andy753421 http://dpaste.com/93987/
15 14:50:00 tommost_ :(
15 14:51:00 Morasique meanies
15 15:53:00 andy753421 mail on the lug server works now
15 15:53:00 Morasique woo!
15 15:53:00 andy753421 I wonder if the cs dept knows that they're running a smtp relay at hermes.csse.rose-hulman.edu...
15 15:54:00 Morasique :D
15 15:55:00 tommost Awesome.
15 15:55:00 Morasique how did you find that?
15 16:02:00 andy753421 for what it's worth, it'd probably be good to talk to IAIT and/or the csse dept anyway, i don't know how much longer hermes will be working
15 16:03:00 tommost Is it accessible from off campus?
15 16:03:00 andy753421 not sure, i'll check
15 16:04:00 andy753421 (i'd hope not)
15 16:04:00 tommost Yeah, me too. If it is we should really let them know.
15 16:08:00 andy753421 it is... :(
15 16:08:00 Morasique is shocked
15 16:09:00 Morasique i'd be amazed if they're even aware it's a mailserver at all
15 16:09:00 Morasique they probably completely forgot about it
15 16:09:00 collinjc Wow...
15 16:09:00 RHKratos is impressed
15 16:10:00 tommost Apparently it's a Sun box.
15 16:10:00 collinjc I didn't know we still had any of those running.
15 16:10:00 rthc they probably didn't either
15 16:11:00 tommost Well, let me do a better nmap scan to confirm that.
15 16:11:00 rthc regardless, we need to tell them about it, and hope they just restrict it to 137.112.0.0/16 as it should be...
15 16:11:00 rthc knowing our luck, they'll just take it down completely
15 16:11:00 Morasique they might be using it to send mail from automated processes
15 16:12:00 collinjc Would this fall under something Darryl should be informed of?
15 16:12:00 Morasique my nmap guessed 96% that it's running "ZyXEL ZyWALL 2"
15 16:12:00 Morasique wtf is that?
15 16:13:00 tommost My nmap threw a runtime error. :(
15 16:13:00 Morasique maybe you should try gentoo nmap
15 16:13:00 Morasique instead of your "ubuntu" nmap
15 16:14:00 collinjc From what I can tell, ZyXEL makes networking equipment.
15 16:14:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/94028/
15 16:14:00 andy753421 so it turns out, mail form the lug server actually goes lug.rose-hulman.edu -> hermes.csse.rose-hulman.edu -> chocktaw.cs.rose-hulman.edu -> EMAILRELAY.rose-hulman.edu -> recipients mta
15 16:14:00 collinjc Firewall, perhaps.
15 16:14:00 Morasique andy753421: can you hit emailrelay directly?
15 16:15:00 andy753421 nope, and you can't hit chocktaw either
15 16:15:00 Morasique sadness
15 16:15:00 Morasique i would think iait wouldn't have a problem with adding us to emailrelay's whitelist like chocktaw obviously is
15 16:17:00 andy753421 apparently hermes has imap running on port 22 ...
15 16:19:00 collinjc Doing a google search for hermes.cs.rose-hulman.edu led me to this http://wwwuser.csse.rose-hulman.edu/~donaldlf/
15 16:20:00 collinjc I was wondering if I'd find anything interesting. I'm not sure if this counts.
15 16:20:00 rthc i've been on this site before.
15 16:21:00 collinjc I wish I hadn't.
15 16:21:00 Morasique 15 years ago. nice
15 16:21:00 Morasique http://wwwuser.csse.rose-hulman.edu/~donaldlf/gothic/index.html
15 16:23:00 collinjc How gothic.
15 16:25:00 tommost Powerpuff girls. Awesome.
15 16:55:00 kleinjt somebody just sent me an rsvp with subject "lenux meeting", I wonder if it was intentional
15 16:56:00 rthc hehe
15 16:56:00 rthc you should paste that
15 16:58:00 kleinjt well, I'm not sure what other information you would need, but here:
15 16:58:00 kleinjt http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m879f624
15 16:58:00 rthc we've got cds, right?
15 16:59:00 kleinjt I'll make ~10 tonight
15 16:59:00 kleinjt about 10 people have rsvped so far
15 17:00:00 tommost Using e-mail for RSVP seems more successful than the wiki was in the past.
15 17:00:00 Morasique editing wikis is tricky
15 17:01:00 rthc ...
15 17:01:00 tommost I think the difference is that replying to an e-mail when you're already using said e-mail client is trivial, while you had to at least think about the horrid table syntax to edit the wiki.
15 17:02:00 kleinjt also, about half the RSVPs had questions
15 17:02:00 kleinjt and a few people who wanted to know when the normal meetings were
15 17:02:00 kleinjt and people saying they couldn't come...
15 17:02:00 tommost :-/
15 17:03:00 Morasique yay normal meetings
15 17:04:00 kleinjt okay, that was poor word choice
15 17:04:00 rthc ...
15 17:04:00 Morasique is somebody doing a presentation this week? if people are coming to the meeting that would probably be a good thing
15 17:05:00 kleinjt I nominate rthc
15 17:05:00 rthc well, i think it should be a combo of basic info about linux, as well as a q&a
15 17:05:00 Morasique second
15 17:05:00 tommost I think we were planning an intro to Linux thing, but nobody has stepped up to present.
15 17:05:00 tommost third
15 17:05:00 rthc rthc has too much to do as it is
15 17:05:00 Morasique that's unfortunate for rthc
15 17:06:00 Morasique it's a basic linux tutorial, it's not like there's much prep work involved
15 17:06:00 rthc you're making the dangerous assumption that i know linux
15 17:06:00 Morasique that is true
15 17:07:00 collinjc Linux, Plan9, how different could they be?
15 17:08:00 Morasique i applied that logic to the mac os command line. it went swimmingly
15 17:08:00 rthc that'd be a good april fools joke
15 17:08:00 rthc [RHIP9UG] Plan 9 Installfest!
15 17:09:00 Morasique just booby trap the laptops tomorrow so on april first they all switch over to plan 9
15 17:23:00 collinjc kleinjt: What's a rough estimate of how many people will be showing up tomorrow?
15 17:40:00 kleinjt collinjc: less than 20, more than 5
15 17:49:00 collinjc Okay.
15 17:50:00 collinjc I'll stop at 10 discs then.
15 23:22:00 kleinjt mmmkay, I'm on my forth ubuntu disk
16 12:08:00 kleinjt so 10 +- 1 people have rsvp-ed so far
16 12:09:00 kleinjt I only got a chance to make 5 cds before my roommate wanted his computer back, so 5 + 10 from collinjc should be enough
16 13:04:00 kleinjt hrm, it was left unlocked, I'll burn a few more
16 14:21:00 Morasique TBoneULS: i'll be there in spirit
16 14:21:00 tommost I'll be there.
16 14:21:00 Morasique which is just as good
16 14:22:00 TBoneULS i figured i should come, i think ill be minorly helpful
16 14:22:00 TBoneULS mark isn't because he's a douche
16 14:22:00 tommost I'll simultaneously be at a 371 project meeting, too. :p
16 14:22:00 TBoneULS lol
16 14:22:00 Morasique multitasking. efficient
16 14:24:00 kleinjt tommost: I'll drop the CDs off on top of the robot in the robotics lab.
16 14:24:00 kleinjt in about 20 minutes
16 14:24:00 Morasique you should have the robot deliver them to the CS lab
16 14:24:00 tommost kleinjt: Any reason you can't just bring them to F225? I'll be here until the Installfest.
16 14:25:00 kleinjt fine, I can do that too
16 14:25:00 kleinjt jerk.
16 14:25:00 Morasique agrees
16 14:25:00 tommost Thanks, jackass.
16 15:20:00 tommost Running the Installfest after the dedication is genius; we'll probably have plenty of free food available.
16 16:03:00 Morasique wait, i want cookies
16 16:10:00 tommost Morasique: If you start driving now there may be a few left by the time you get here.
16 16:11:00 Morasique i have a thing at 6:30 though :(
16 16:11:00 tommost A "thing" more important than cookies? I think not.
16 16:11:00 Morasique can you just mail them to me?
16 16:11:00 Morasique ok, you start driving now with as many cookies as you can carry, and we'll meet in the middle
16 16:12:00 Morasique cookie party in indy
16 16:12:00 tommost But then who will run the installfest?
16 16:12:00 Morasique kleinjt
16 16:15:00 kleinjt I've been stuck in a meeting for an hour, with no hope of exit until at least 5:10 PM EST
16 16:28:00 rthc is anyone there?
16 16:28:00 TBoneULS yes
16 16:29:00 TBoneULS also, i want a freshman laptop. someone give me one
16 16:34:00 Morasique i went to freshman laptop orientation every year so i could be depressed
16 16:34:00 Morasique otoh, we were spared the horror of the years before us
16 16:34:00 Morasique laptops got massively better every year ending the year after us
16 16:36:00 andy753421 kleinjt: EST?
16 16:37:00 Morasique andy753421: weirdly, some people refer to time in GMT all the time because they're in denial of timezones
16 16:38:00 andy753421 yea, except i think kleinjt is currently in EDT..
16 16:42:00 Morasique i just saw something really cool. apparently git can push and pull commits to svn
16 16:43:00 Morasique somebody on my team has a local git repository he pushes changes too, and when he's done with something he has it push all the commits to svn at once
16 16:44:00 andy753421 yep, it's also nice because you get a complete local copy of the repository so you can do searches and diffs and such really fast
16 16:47:00 andy753421 i'm tempted to go back and do that with all my old svn repositories, just so i have a copy of the history for historic reasons
16 16:57:00 Morasique tommost: sit rep!
16 16:57:00 Morasique (i enjoyed that)
16 17:25:00 Morasique worst sit rep ever
16 17:57:00 rthc sit rep?
16 17:59:00 tommost_ I have no idea.
16 18:00:00 tommost_ Forth?
16 18:31:00 Morasique tommost_: situation report. battlestar galactica
16 18:50:00 tommost Ah. Okay.
17 01:31:00 TBoneULS "'
17 03:38:00 andy753421 interesting, apparently nobody actually knows why inodes are called `i'nodes
17 16:23:00 kleinjt rthc, may I say in the lug meeting reminder that there will be a presentation?
17 16:27:00 Morasique you should probably send the meeting reminder more than 45 minutes before the meeting. say, every morning for the 5 days leading up to the meeting
17 16:28:00 kleinjt it would help if we knew if anyone was going to present. well, I'll just send out a generic one
17 16:29:00 kleinjt oh, snap, untitled message
17 16:29:00 kleinjt awesome
17 16:30:00 kleinjt [RHLUG] (no subject) is how the mailing list handles that
17 16:32:00 Morasique i don't think anyone is, unless it's a secret presentation
17 16:37:00 tommost We're all too busy. >.<
17 16:37:00 tommost kleinjt should present. He's not in 371, 372, nor senior project.
17 16:38:00 kleinjt on what, Linux?
17 16:46:00 Morasique linux is a solid choice
17 16:49:00 tommost Matlab? You did that all summer.
17 16:49:00 tommost Someone should present on D.
17 16:49:00 tommost Morasique: You should learn D and come back to present on it to us.
17 16:50:00 Morasique i don't have much interest in D
17 16:50:00 Morasique i could do a presentation on C#. perfect for a LUG
17 16:51:00 tommost You know C#?
17 16:51:00 tommost I thought you use C++.
17 16:53:00 Morasique i'm attempting to learn C# on my own; i use C++ at work
17 16:53:00 tommost Ah.
17 16:53:00 tommost You could talk about Mono, I guess.
17 16:54:00 tommost And compare C# to Java.
17 17:05:00 collinjc_lug I was shocked. C# actually seems to be an okay language for the most part.
17 17:06:00 collinjc_lug Certainly better than Java, but that isn't saying much.
17 17:09:00 tommost My 371 project will be in C#, probably. :(
17 17:10:00 Morasique woo!
17 20:07:00 tommost__ Woo?
17 20:07:00 tommost__ Yay?
18 12:24:00 tommost Gconf is awesome: http://dpaste.com/95195/
18 13:10:00 andy753421 i hate gconf
18 13:10:00 andy753421 http://dpaste.com/95195/
18 13:10:00 andy753421 er, http://dpaste.com/95207/
18 13:18:00 rthc andy753421's is considerably easier to read...
18 13:18:00 rthc but it should be sort -R
18 13:19:00 andy753421 oh, yea..
18 13:20:00 rthc also, tom's won't allow duplicates until the entire directory has been displayed once
18 13:20:00 rthc ah, never mind
18 13:22:00 andy753421 tom's works somewhat better if you add an image to the directory while the script is running, it also won't redisplay the image that was the background when you start the program
18 13:22:00 tommost_ The way I read the directory repeatedly is intentional for exactly that reason.
18 13:23:00 tommost_ I'm thinking that I may want it to pick up on that immediately and switch directly to the new image; that would be cool.
18 13:23:00 tommost_ What I'd really like is crossfading, like gnome-settings-daemon does when you start it (it fades in the wallpaper from black).
18 13:24:00 Morasique how often can you even see your wallpaper?
18 13:24:00 Morasique i see my wallpaper when i boot. and pretty much never again
18 13:24:00 tommost_ I see it through my terminals.
18 13:24:00 rthc yeah, same here. it's always obscured by windows
18 13:25:00 tommost_ That's one thing irssi has on Pidgin; I can see my wallpaper through it.
18 13:25:00 tommost_ If that sounds like a stupid reason to use irssi, that's because it is.
18 13:25:00 rthc i don't know how people can use trans{parent,lucent} terminals
18 13:26:00 tommost_ I don't know how people can use dark-on-white terminals.
18 13:26:00 tommost_ It doesn't even look like a terminal at that point.
18 13:26:00 rthc large swaths of light color hurts my eyes, so agreed
18 13:27:00 Morasique rthc: i did for a while, until i realized i was straining to read them
18 13:27:00 Morasique life got much better when i stopped
18 13:28:00 rthc yeah, i like my text to be over a semi-uniform background
18 13:28:00 rthc there's a reason books aren't printed on wallpaper
18 13:32:00 tommost_ http://jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/lnk/background.png
18 13:33:00 andy753421 hm... http://dpaste.com/95212/
18 13:33:00 rthc andy wins again
18 13:33:00 Morasique it seems like it'd be easiest to just have two directories, and move seen pictures from one to the other
18 13:33:00 Morasique tommost_: that's not bad
18 13:43:00 andy753421 heh, this way i sweet: http://dpaste.com/95218/
18 13:46:00 andy753421 using atime would be nicer, but everyone disables that these days ;(
18 13:49:00 Morasique i like that one
18 13:50:00 Morasique except i think adding new images to the directory puts them at the bottom of the queue
18 14:53:00 tommost_ Cool, it already does cross-fades. I should get a wm that allows real transparency for gnome-terminal so that I actually can see it.
18 14:55:00 andy753421 tommost.*: can you just run xcompmgr,or is that no longer useful?
18 14:57:00 tommost_ andy753421: It doesn't work with awesome 2.
18 15:03:00 Morasique tommost_: you should really start keeping track of how many times you say that
18 15:05:00 tommost_ I should really find a better wm.
18 15:06:00 Morasique or try one of the ~5 newer versions of your current wm
18 15:06:00 Morasique it's like somebody on windows 95 saying they need to find a new os
18 15:06:00 rthc and i tell them to use wmii
18 15:07:00 tommost_ I was thinking about wmii, actually.
18 15:07:00 andy753421 twm is the standard window manager
18 15:07:00 rthc oh, we do andy753421++ in here, don't we?
18 15:08:00 andy753421 tommost.* coudl just change luglog to do +v's instead of ++'s
18 15:08:00 Morasique andy753421: we generally don't do +v in here because not everyone can
18 15:08:00 andy753421 ah, i see
18 15:09:00 Morasique there's no way for non-ops to be able to voice people, i looked into it a while ago :(
18 15:09:00 rthc it'd be dumb if they could
18 15:09:00 tommost_ I wish that the name "twm" weren't already taken in the window manager realm.
18 15:09:00 Morasique well, chanserv lets you do a lot of stuff without being opped, if you have the right flags
18 15:09:00 Morasique but not voicing
18 15:09:00 tommost_ I'd want to call any wm I write twm. :'(
18 15:10:00 Morasique laughs at tommost_
18 15:10:00 rthc that'd be like calling any editor you write `ed'. no matter what, it will be a sad imitation of the original and standard
18 15:10:00 Morasique also, you'd be associated with 'ed', which is not something you want
18 15:11:00 tommost_ I'll have to call it tomwm.
18 15:11:00 tommost_ That's almost as good.
18 15:11:00 rthc please no more window managers
18 15:11:00 tommost_ HAHAHAHAHA!
18 15:12:00 tommost_ Good one, rthc.
18 15:12:00 rthc hurry up, you stupid git, i need to get to campus
18 15:13:00 rthc finally. that git clone took a while.
18 15:18:00 Morasique er. wait, did that work? i swear i tried that
18 15:19:00 andy753421 you can do it through chanserv, but then you can't tell who sent the command, which would be problematic
18 15:19:00 Morasique i don't think you can do it without +o or being an op though
18 15:19:00 andy753421 there's +v
18 15:19:00 Morasique that won't let you voice others though
18 15:19:00 Morasique and there's no flag specifically for letting you voice others
18 15:20:00 andy753421 yes it will, (/msg chanserv help flags)
18 15:20:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure that only applies to you
18 15:20:00 Morasique but i might be wrong
18 15:23:00 Morasique wow, it does work
18 15:23:00 Morasique i'm a failure
18 15:24:00 andy753421 i had to set the mask for +v to *!*@*
18 15:24:00 Morasique yeah, but i didn't think that would let you voice others
18 15:24:00 Morasique it does though
18 15:56:00 rthc time to watch crossdev fail again
18 15:59:00 Morasique sounds fun
19 14:46:00 tommost__ andy753421: Mira, Mira v2, and Clearlooks-Shadow are all decent dark themes.
19 18:11:00 andy753421 tommost.*: Mira.* decent once you delete the background image..
19 18:11:00 andy753421 i haven't been able to find a link to clearlooks-shadow though
19 18:15:00 andy753421 auchter: what was that vim colorscheme that you use?
19 19:00:00 andy753421 i made/modified my own colorscheme.. http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/grey.{vim,png}
19 19:01:00 tommost_ andy753421: I actually like mira because of the background image.
19 19:01:00 tommost_ clearlooks-shadow is an Ubuntu thing, I believe.
19 19:06:00 andy753421 i would think i could still install the theme, googling for "clearlooks-shadow" returns two results, neither of which are for the theme
19 19:07:00 andy753421 the background image makes it look like I spilled something all over my monitor..
19 19:09:00 tommost_ I like it because it makes the smudges on my monitor less apparent (the pads built into the laptop create nasty black smudges).
19 21:11:00 rthc andy753421: zenburn
19 21:41:00 Morasique hmm. somebody's using a computer in this movie, the first line of the terminal is "guest@d18 % su", and the next line is "root@d18 %". that seems insecure
19 21:42:00 tommost What movie?
19 23:19:00 Morasique tommost: sphere
19 23:19:00 tommost Any good?
19 23:20:00 Morasique yeah. there's a book too
19 23:20:00 tommost I'm not a really big fan of Michael Crichton.
19 23:21:00 Morasique i can't decide which channel to respond in
20 02:42:00 andy753421 auchter: i finally figured out how to get vim to jump to a decent place when you use ^]
20 02:42:00 andy753421 http://dpaste.com/95769/
20 02:43:00 andy753421 i can't say that script is very pretty.. gnu's version of sort can't actually sort, and plan 9's is unstable :(
20 15:40:00 kleinjt cool, the processors on my laptop are registering as ~330 bogomips
20 15:41:00 kleinjt from boot even, so that takes a few minutes
20 15:43:00 kleinjt :q
20 15:53:00 kleinjt hrm, but it is still running at 2333 MHz
20 16:47:00 kleinjt okay, I fixed the problem. I'll bake cookies for whomever correctly guesses the problem.
20 16:47:00 kleinjt er.. guesses what the problem was
20 16:48:00 andy7534211 cpufreq?
20 16:48:00 kleinjt nope
20 16:49:00 kleinjt a kink in line side cable on the AC adapter.
20 16:49:00 andy7534211 was messing up your bogomips?
20 16:50:00 kleinjt yep :/
20 16:50:00 andy7534211 impressive
20 16:52:00 kleinjt bios and windows were also running slow, so I suspect it was a hardware problem
20 22:48:00 kleinjt hrm, suckless.org's st terminal isn't that useful
20 22:48:00 kleinjt in that, it fails at screen and mutt and irssi
20 22:49:00 kleinjt maybe just screen
20 22:49:00 kleinjt and I suppose that is screen's fault
20 22:50:00 rthc heh, i hadn't even heard of st
20 22:51:00 rthc cool, they have a browser now, too.
20 22:52:00 rthc ``skvm is a lightweight volume manager for GNU/Linux. It depends on hal and dbus.'' heh.
20 22:53:00 tommost__ suckless.org made something that uses dbus?
20 22:53:00 tommost__ Is the sky falling?
20 22:55:00 tommost__ surf looks like a reimplementation of uzbl
20 22:58:00 kleinjt hurray, slock
20 23:00:00 andy753421 wow, they updated wmii
20 23:06:00 Morasique how is uzbl doing? i haven't used it in a while
20 23:06:00 tommost__ Does anyone besides Blazeix use it?
20 23:06:00 tommost__ I'm curious myself.
20 23:07:00 Morasique i break it out occasionally to play flash, when firefox decides it's not in the mood
20 23:08:00 tommost__ I should probably just disable Flash in Firefox and use a different browser when I want it; I'm sick of it breaking everything.
20 23:09:00 kleinjt "It's not so much the pseudo-elitism as the dogmatic idealism"
20 23:10:00 tommost__ Well, I'll try what might be a newer libflashplayer.so: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
20 23:16:00 Morasique i think it's a newer version of flash player that broke mine, actually
20 23:16:00 Morasique the audio is completely screwed up
20 23:17:00 tommost__ Well, it can't get any worse that it was.
20 23:17:00 tommost__ The one I had was from March.
20 23:23:00 tommost__ I played a video to make sure PA was working. It was. I played a YouTube video. Couldn't play a video via Totem simultaneously (Flash hogging ALSA device). Stopped playing YouTube video (closed page); once again able to play via Totem.
20 23:23:00 tommost__ This is an improvement.
21 00:06:00 andy753421 i used uzbl all the time for a while..
21 00:06:00 andy753421 but it uses libsoup for http access, and libsoup doesn't (yet) support Content-Encoding which means my page downloads are way bigger in uzbl than in firefox.
21 00:07:00 andy753421 once they fix that i'm planning on switching back to it
21 20:56:00 Zeta_server l
21 20:57:00 tommost Zeta_server: You said you're using nomachine?
21 20:59:00 Zeta_server yes
21 20:59:00 Zeta_server it works pretty well, but I think there are some quicks with longer sessions
21 20:59:00 Zeta_server I think that's why I didn't go this route before
21 21:00:00 tommost How was it to set up?
21 21:00:00 tommost I've read (on the parti/xpra mailing list) that it's kinda weird.
21 21:00:00 Zeta_server I basically ran the installer packages and it just straight worked
21 21:00:00 tommost What distro?
21 21:00:00 Zeta_server ubuntu, sadly
21 21:01:00 tommost Sadly?
21 21:01:00 tommost .hug Ubuntu
21 21:01:00 Zeta_server I should try to get arch on this
21 21:01:00 tommost T_T
21 21:01:00 Zeta_server slaps tommost
21 21:01:00 Zeta_server well, I can get arch on this, ubuntu just is more likely to support the newer hardware
21 21:01:00 Zeta_server It's an NVIDIA ION board
21 21:02:00 hugbot_ hugs Ubuntu
21 21:09:00 Morasique tommost: handyh
21 21:09:00 Morasique s/h$//
21 21:10:00 Zeta_server tommost: ubuntu is replacing pidgin in the next version
21 21:10:00 Zeta_server fyi
21 21:11:00 tommost With what?
21 21:12:00 tommost That dbus thing?
21 21:12:00 andy753421 Zeta_server: with what?
21 21:13:00 Zeta_server I don't recall
21 23:08:00 tommost Why doesn't LUG have this? http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.12/figures/figure-eog.png.en
21 23:20:00 andy753421 sounds like a good candidate for the promotional budget ;)
21 23:20:00 tommost Yeah, we should get one of those.
22 00:34:00 tommost_ (The budget, I mean.)
22 01:11:00 tommost__ begins upgrading his desktop to Karmic alpha
22 01:14:00 rthc laughs at distros with versions
22 01:14:00 Morasique is not surprised by rthc's reaction
22 01:14:00 rthc is surprised Morasique is not joining him in exuding smugness
22 01:14:00 tommost__ lives dangerously
22 01:14:00 Morasique is tired of feeling superior to ubuntu users
22 01:16:00 tommost__ enjoys software stability at the cost of occasional breakage
22 01:17:00 tommost__ (01:16:31 AM) rthc: speaking of how much gentoo rocks / gerbv is refusing to build...
22 01:17:00 rthc i suspect it's nothing that emerge --sync can't fix
22 01:18:00 tommost__ I couldn't resist.
22 01:18:00 tommost__ It just perfectly illustrates the difference between the distros I was just talking about.
22 01:19:00 rthc the difference i'm talking about is that i don't have to worry about my package manager's repositories disappearing
22 01:19:00 tommost__ That was really my fault...
22 01:20:00 rthc what? for not upgrading your distro as instructed by The Great Leader?
22 01:20:00 tommost__ For not upgrading a non-LTS version for two years? Yeah.
22 01:20:00 Morasique actually, gentoo saw fit to pull a version of awesome from portage, something i'm still pissed about
22 01:21:00 tommost__ I'm still on 2.3, I'm obliged to point out.
22 01:21:00 Morasique yes, we hear about it every time you try to do something with awesome 2 and realize you can't
22 01:21:00 tommost__ Not that Ubuntu packaged that or anything... I build it myself.
22 01:21:00 rthc out of necessity likely. the ubuntu maintainers seem to be too lazy to package awesome 3
22 01:21:00 rthc well damn
22 01:21:00 tommost__ No, they did a while back IIRC.
22 01:22:00 tommost__ What was weird was that they had 2.1 or something but didn't package 2.3 the next release. And it's a universe package; we can probably blame the Debian package maintainers.
22 01:22:00 tommost__ Karmic includes erlang by default. That's a plus.
22 01:23:00 rthc that's a minus
22 01:23:00 Morasique well, one of you is wrong
22 01:24:00 rthc does karmic also include gcc by default now?
22 01:24:00 rthc i'd say one is a bit more useful than the other.
22 01:24:00 tommost__ Pssssht, it includes Python.
22 01:24:00 Morasique not if you've switched to an all-erlang life like i have
22 01:24:00 rthc me? personally, i just rewrote the kernel in perl
22 14:52:00 Morasique ooc, anybody presenting this week?
22 14:55:00 tommost Excellent question.
22 14:59:00 rthc i can't
22 15:42:00 TBoneULS rthc: you said you had some ideas on why my nas isn't performing the way it should. what were they again?
22 15:43:00 rthc i don't think i did
22 15:43:00 TBoneULS hmm
22 15:43:00 TBoneULS i could have sworn you had an idea
22 16:11:00 TBoneULS rthc: what sort of read and write speeds do you get?
22 20:09:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/96904/
22 20:14:00 Morasique last i recall andy753421 had gotten that down to an elegantly short shell script, and now suddenly it's 60 lines of python
22 20:14:00 tommost It has features now.
22 20:15:00 andy753421 s/es/ creap/ ?
22 20:15:00 rthc s/ea/ee/
22 20:15:00 andy753421 :(
22 20:16:00 tommost *Awesome* features.
22 20:17:00 Morasique what's it do?
22 20:17:00 Morasique i'm too lazy to read -_-
22 20:17:00 tommost wallswitch.py --poke makes it immediately switch.
22 20:17:00 Morasique there's no such thing as feature creep in personal projects
22 20:19:00 Morasique why is there a random Poked exception?
22 20:21:00 tommost The immediate switch is implemented with signals.
22 20:21:00 tommost Technically there's a bug there; the try... except should cover the whole body of the while loop.
23 02:19:00 tommost__ Well, the Karmic upgrade has gone without issue.
23 02:19:00 Morasique that's what it wants you to think
23 02:19:00 Morasique before it strikes
23 02:20:00 Morasique koala-style
23 02:20:00 tommost__ Hmm, it's claiming cupsd crashed.
23 02:20:00 Morasique that was fast
23 02:20:00 tommost__ Fortunately I don't have a printer, so I don't care.
23 02:20:00 Morasique er. you use cupsd to print to rose printers too
23 02:21:00 tommost__ Good news: I haven't stolen a Rose printer and taken it to my apartment.
23 02:21:00 Morasique is this a desktop or something? i'm confused
23 02:21:00 tommost__ I'll keep that in mind for the future, though.
23 02:21:00 tommost__ Yes, my desktop.
23 02:21:00 tommost__ I'm pretty sure I mentioned this.
23 02:21:00 Morasique how long ago, because it's not like i was keeping notes or something
23 02:22:00 tommost__ I wouldn't upgrade my laptop; it has ATI graphics. They fuck every upgrade.
23 02:23:00 tommost__ Approximately 25 hours and 10 minutes ago.
23 15:19:00 Morasique it seems weird that source is almost always distributed in both gz and bz2 formats. are there people that can only read one or the other?
23 15:19:00 rthc everyone knows about .gz, so that's a given
23 15:20:00 rthc bz2 is often smaller, so good for people who lack bandwidth
23 15:20:00 rthc i saw two .Z's for the first time in a while today (cadence packages on dfs)
23 15:22:00 Morasique if bz2 is smaller, why don't we all use it?
23 15:22:00 rthc a lot of machines still don't have bzip2
23 15:22:00 rthc lzma is better anyway
23 15:22:00 rthc there may be other issues i'm overlooking
23 15:23:00 tommost Morasique: Have you ever compressed something large with bzip2? It takes *forever*.
23 15:23:00 rthc bzip2 -1 is snappy
23 15:23:00 Morasique tommost: well, typically i choose my compression algorithm based on how long it will take to compress
23 15:23:00 Morasique ...
23 15:24:00 tommost Morasique: You can do a lot better than bzip2 if you're choosing purely based on compression ratio.
23 15:24:00 tommost The point is that lzma is just as good and a ton faster to compress.
23 15:25:00 Morasique well, my point was i thought every linux machine had gzip and bzip2, so if one is clearly better, it seems stupid to distribute everything in both formats
23 15:25:00 Morasique apparently lots of machines don't have bzip2. i still think it would be easier to make them get it than to make two copies of every software package
23 15:26:00 tommost How do they compare decompression-wise so far as speed goes?
23 15:26:00 rthc i'm not sure. i still think file size is the main concern
23 15:27:00 tommost I vaguely recall that bzip2 is fairly asymmetric that way, but I'm not sure.
23 15:28:00 rthc how do you mean?
23 15:28:00 andy7534211 http://dpaste.com/97345/
23 15:44:00 tommost Has anyone gotten irssi working as a proxy before?
23 16:10:00 andy7534211 compressions statistics: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/9/23/
23 16:11:00 andy7534211 transfer is based on a 10Mb/s connection
23 16:11:00 rthc hm?
23 16:15:00 andy7534211 well, assuming you want to get some sources as quickly as possible, you need to download the file and then decompress it, so i was guessing transfer times based on a 10Mb/s network connection
23 16:16:00 rthc was that the wrong link, or am i missing something
23 16:16:00 andy7534211 oh, wrong link
23 16:17:00 andy7534211 hold on
23 16:18:00 rthc also: http://sprunge.us/LBBX
23 16:18:00 rthc lzma rocks.
23 16:20:00 andy7534211 http://dpaste.com/97377/
23 16:20:00 andy7534211 hm, i think those number are wrong though
23 16:21:00 andy7534211 awk has failed me :(
23 16:21:00 rthc hehe, yeah
23 16:21:00 rthc looks damn nice though
23 16:40:00 andy7534211 http://dpaste.com/97380/ that's better (i think)
23 16:40:00 andy7534211 interestingly, it's downloading and transfering on the rose network is fastest with gzip, compressing, transferring, and downloading is fastest with nothing :)
23 16:41:00 tommost Whoa, lzma is slow.
23 16:42:00 andy7534211 that was using lzma-utils, xz-utils might be faster
23 17:17:00 Morasique i'm moderately ashamed that i'm installing gentoo and still need to follow the install guide
23 17:18:00 rthc hey, it could be worse: you could be installing ubuntu right now instead
23 17:19:00 tommost Yeah, I'm ashamed that I still need an install guide when I... oh wait, no I don't.
23 17:19:00 Morasique rthc: i'm installing it on a vm for work, a coworker offered me an ubuntu vm he has setup
23 17:19:00 Morasique i declined
23 17:23:00 Morasique virtualbox should autodetect the OS type. if i name my VM "Gentoo", it should be able to figure it out
23 17:37:00 Morasique "If the date/time displayed is wrong, update it using the date MMDDhhmmYYYY syntax (Month, Day, hour, minute and Year)"
23 17:37:00 Morasique is this a trick?
23 17:38:00 rthc sadly no
23 22:21:00 kleinjt well, I suppose I could present on making urxvt psuedotransparent. it would be about a 5 minute presentation with the depth of a google search
23 22:22:00 kleinjt any interest?
23 22:22:00 kleinjt (and other stupid urxvt tricks like changing the font, and making links clickable)
23 22:26:00 kleinjt and tabs I suppose
23 22:37:00 kleinjt seeing none, I will return to using my awesome urxvt playing with my awesomely configured urxvt and not doing homework
23 22:43:00 kleinjt http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~kleinjt/urxvt.png <- what you are missing out on
23 22:44:00 rthc how can you take that font? the kerning is horrible
23 22:45:00 kleinjt I was dulled after the initial shock
23 22:45:00 kleinjt and now I don't mind it
23 22:48:00 kleinjt have you a superior terminal font to suggest?
23 22:49:00 rthc 6x13 serves me well
23 22:49:00 andy7534211 i use terminus, it has good unicode support and looks the same as the default fixed font
23 22:49:00 andy7534211 (well, simmilar)
23 22:52:00 Morasique kleinjt: there's no way you actually use that font
23 22:53:00 andy7534211 it's kleinjt, i wouldn't doubt it..
23 23:04:00 tommost You should talk about urxvt in general.
23 23:04:00 tommost I'd be interested.
23 23:04:00 Morasique is there much to talk about?
23 23:05:00 tommost I have no idea.
23 23:05:00 tommost I use gnome-terminal.
23 23:05:00 tommost Because it rocks.
23 23:05:00 Morasique rxvt is gloriously scriptable, that's the main reason i switched
23 23:06:00 tommost kleinjt should talk about that.
23 23:06:00 andy7534211 i only use it because xterm took longer to load than mutt
23 23:06:00 tommost Make it a "why you should use urxvt instead of gnome-terminal" presentation.
23 23:08:00 andy7534211 because gnome-terminal contains the phrase `gnome' ?
23 23:08:00 kleinjt that would be short. I don't have gnome-terminal installed, gnome-terminal likely uses GTK.
23 23:08:00 tommost Why yes, it may.
23 23:08:00 tommost It may also use the gnome libraries.
23 23:11:00 kleinjt gnome-terminal looks complicated
23 23:12:00 rthc gnome-terminal uses gobs of memory
23 23:14:00 kleinjt if I held down the spawn terminal button I imagine I would get further with urxvt than gnome-terminal
23 23:14:00 andy7534211 i bet gnome-terminal defaults to anitaliasing
23 23:14:00 rthc anyone care to spawn a gnome-terminal and tell me how much ram it uses?
23 23:15:00 andy7534211 make sure to `time gnome-terminal' too
23 23:15:00 rthc for reference: urxvtc 0.00s user 0.01s system 33% cpu 0.020 total
23 23:18:00 kleinjt hrm, urxvtc looks even cooler than urxvt
23 23:19:00 rthc yeah, definitely daemonize urxvt
23 23:19:00 rthc i have 60 urxvtc's open right now, and urxvtd is using 34484K of memory
23 23:26:00 tommost So?
23 23:26:00 andy7534211 (i think we just like making fun of gnome)
23 23:26:00 tommost I've noticed.
23 23:26:00 tommost hugs Gnome
23 23:28:00 rthc i suppose that's why i've been able to get by with only 1GB of ram just fine
23 23:29:00 tommost hugs 4 GB of ram
23 23:30:00 rthc hugs a stack of cash
23 23:30:00 andy7534211 i'm using 293 at the moment (given, i had to restart firefox to get to that.. boo firefox)
23 23:30:00 tommost How did you make $20 for a stack?
23 23:30:00 tommost s/for/form/
23 23:30:00 tommost Is it in pennies?
23 23:31:00 andy7534211 i think i'd have to buy a new laptop if i wanted that much ram
23 23:31:00 kleinjt I'm using 292 since I turned on psuedotransparency. It used to be about 100mb less :(
23 23:31:00 Morasique i think i'd switch OSes if i needed that much ram
23 23:32:00 andy7534211 psh, linux is bloated (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10358024-16.html)
23 23:32:00 kleinjt right, my freebsd box is currently using less than 5mb of ram
23 23:33:00 rthc i'm sitting at 600MB right now
23 23:33:00 kleinjt my freebsd box is off :/
23 23:34:00 rthc http://sprunge.us/jcTi
23 23:34:00 rthc surprise surprise...
23 23:38:00 Morasique rthc: i think something's wrong with your firefox
23 23:38:00 Morasique it's consuming far too little memory
23 23:39:00 rthc i'm more worried that some xpdf processes are using >20M
24 01:51:00 tommost I have 11 megs free on my root partition. It's been like this for hours.
24 01:51:00 tommost I love how it doesn't break.
24 01:52:00 Morasique i've had 0 bytes free for days without noticing
24 01:52:00 Morasique it's astounding
24 01:52:00 andy753421 ext3-- ?
24 01:52:00 tommost andy753421: Er, huh?
24 01:52:00 Morasique s/--/++/?
24 01:53:00 tommost I move things to my root partition when my home partition starts to fill, because lots of apps break weirdly if you run out of disk space.
24 01:53:00 tommost My stupid Windows VM expands by a few hundred megs every time I boot it; I'll have to nuke it soon.
24 01:54:00 Morasique you should plot it over time
24 01:54:00 tommost Maybe I'll do that with the new one.
24 01:54:00 Morasique next time you remake it, add a cron job to record the size daily and see how much it grows
24 01:54:00 Morasique yeah, that :)
24 01:55:00 andy753421 ext3 has (or had) a but where when you run out of disk space, when you delete things they get deleted but no free spaces is created
24 01:55:00 andy753421 that's the reason i now use reiserfs :)
24 01:56:00 tommost My root is reiserfs but my home is ext3.
24 01:57:00 andy753421 yea.. i plan on switching to btrfs next time i reformat
24 01:57:00 tommost My /etc/fstab has an omfs device in it. :D
24 01:57:00 andy753421 omfs?
24 01:57:00 andy753421 my /etc/fstab has the 9p filesystem for wmii in it :)
24 01:57:00 Morasique ext3 saves some space that only root can write to iirc, so that bug only comes up if you max out your space running as root
24 01:57:00 Morasique still, not good
24 01:58:00 tommost Optimized MPEG file system. Used on the Rio Karma and pretty much nothing else. ;)
24 01:58:00 tommost /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Rio_Rio_Karma_0000000000000000-part2 /media/karma omfs user,noauto 0 0
24 01:58:00 andy753421 er, what's different about it?
24 01:59:00 tommost I'm not sure.
24 01:59:00 tommost I think it stores metadata in some special way, actually.
24 02:00:00 tommost The files on the Karma show up all in one directory where every file has a random filename and a corresponding text file with metadata in it.
24 02:01:00 tommost Well, mostly text. They sometimes have binary data in them too, presumably the profile of the song.
24 02:01:00 andy753421 echo should take input from stdin..
24 02:01:00 Morasique cat?
24 02:02:00 andy753421 i want to print out arguments on a single line: e.g. `echo $(awk '/^ *[^#]/{print $3}' /etc/fstab | sort | uniq)'
24 02:04:00 andy753421 mc and column sort of work, but not very well
24 02:04:00 Morasique xargs echo?
24 02:06:00 andy753421 hey, that works well
24 02:06:00 andy753421 i think that's the first time i've actually used xargs..
24 02:06:00 Morasique i use xargs constantly
24 02:06:00 andy753421 everybody seems to.. but i just never seem to find uses for it
24 02:07:00 Morasique function map() {echo ${~argv[2,-1]} | xargs -n1 $1} ftw
24 02:07:00 tommost Ah, Morasique's ongoing love affair with map.
24 02:07:00 tommost You two are so cute.
24 02:07:00 Morasique everyone loves map
24 02:08:00 tommost Yup, it's awesome.
24 02:08:00 tommost Also reduce.
24 02:08:00 andy753421 Morasique: when would you use something like that?
24 02:09:00 Morasique anytime you need to run the same program on a bunch of files. i just used it recently to play all the video clips in a folder (map mplayer *)
24 02:10:00 Morasique i used to use it at rose to convert all my ps files generated by emacs to pdfs at once: map ps2pdf *.ps
24 02:10:00 Morasique things like that
24 02:10:00 tommost What's wrong with just "mplayer *"?
24 02:12:00 Morasique huh. i didn't know mplayer took multiple arguments. i technically used it with mplay, a script i use to play videos, which happens to not take multiple arguments
24 02:12:00 Morasique it probably should if mplayer does though
24 02:12:00 Morasique nonetheless, anything that doesn't take multiple arguments; map ftw
24 02:12:00 andy753421 hm, i suppose i usually just do `for i in *; mplayer $i'
24 02:12:00 tommost >.<\
24 02:14:00 andy753421 Morasique: does that break with files with spaces and stuff?
24 02:15:00 Morasique andy753421: yeah. i avoid that by not using spaces in filenames :)
24 02:16:00 Morasique there might be a way to make it more intelligent so it doesn't, i've never really messed with it
24 02:16:00 andy753421 i think you could use `function map() {cmd=$1; shift; for i; do "$cmd" "$i"; done}'
24 02:16:00 Morasique like that, for example
24 11:14:00 Morasique er. is awesome 3 not in apt?
24 11:15:00 tommost_ I think it has been for a while.
24 11:15:00 Morasique does ubuntu have package masking?
24 11:16:00 tommost_ I'm not entirely sure what that means.
24 11:16:00 Morasique where you hide certain versions of a package on your local system so they won't be installed
24 11:16:00 Morasique i have awesome 3.4 masked on my machine, so even though it's in portage emerge doesn't try to upgrade it
24 11:17:00 Morasique i'm trying to figure out why the ubuntu machine i'm on only shows awesome 2.3.4
24 11:17:00 tommost_ There's generally only one version of a package in a Debian style repository, aside from bug fix releases.
24 11:17:00 tommost_ http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=awesome
24 11:18:00 tommost_ It looks like 3 is in Karmic.
24 11:18:00 tommost_ They're ridiculously slow about that.
24 11:18:00 Morasique damn it
24 11:18:00 tommost_ Apparently I could install 2.3 from the repository. Yay.
24 11:18:00 tommost_ I wonder if the sub-point release fixes any of the bugs that annoy me so.
24 11:18:00 Morasique so i can't get 3 without upgrading to karmic?
24 11:19:00 tommost_ You may be able to install the Karmic package directly.
24 11:19:00 tommost_ Though keep in mind that Karmic is in alpha.
24 11:21:00 Morasique oh, i found another apt source that has it. i forgot about those
24 11:22:00 tommost_ Pssh, what kind of Gentoo user are you? Build it from source!
24 11:23:00 Morasique well, i'm not root on this machine, and i feel bad asking someone who is to go through all that
24 11:23:00 tommost_ Mmmm.
24 11:24:00 Morasique i can never get dependencies right anyway
24 11:24:00 Morasique hugs emerge
24 14:38:00 Morasique i continue to not understand why only root can mount things
24 14:51:00 rthc you can, sometimes...
24 14:51:00 rthc i continue to not understand why per-process namespaces aren't really utilized in linux
24 14:56:00 Morasique am i supposed to be able to mount something in my home directory without root privileges?
24 14:56:00 Morasique i would think so, but i can't get it to work
24 14:56:00 rthc no, you're not able to do that
24 14:56:00 rthc you can mount only if the mount is in your fstab with the user option, iirc
24 14:56:00 rthc s/your/the/
24 14:57:00 Morasique well, i need to be root to edit fstab too
24 14:57:00 rthc funny how that works, isn't it?
24 14:57:00 Morasique i see no reason i can't mount stuff in my home directory
24 14:57:00 rthc what are you trying to mount? i usually just use fuse in these cases
24 14:58:00 Morasique i want to mount my windows work machine's samba share on a linux machine here
24 14:58:00 Morasique i'd actually prefer to mount the linux machine from my windows machine, but windows isn't the greatest at ssh mounts
24 14:58:00 rthc yeah, i'd just use fuse.
24 14:59:00 Morasique what's the command?
24 14:59:00 rthc well, you're likely going to need to install some fuse smb client
24 15:00:00 Morasique i'm hoping it's installed
24 15:00:00 rthc i don't think there's just one smb fuse thing
24 15:01:00 Morasique you seem fairly confident your idea is bad
24 15:01:00 rthc uh, no? i'm not sure how you're getting that
24 15:02:00 rthc fusesmb maybe
24 15:02:00 Morasique i don't appear to have fuse*, so that's probably not good
24 15:02:00 Morasique does it need to be installed by root?
24 15:03:00 rthc well, there's a fuse kernel module which i imagine probably needs to be there...
24 15:03:00 Morasique T_T
24 15:04:00 Morasique there should just be sshfs for windows
24 15:04:00 Morasique this looks suspiciously like it: http://wouter.coekaerts.be/site/irssi/nicklist
24 15:05:00 rthc i tried reddrive the other day on a computer. it didn't seem to work very well.
24 15:05:00 Morasique er. not that
24 15:05:00 Morasique http://dokan-dev.net/en/download/#sshfs
24 15:05:00 rthc ah cool
24 15:10:00 Morasique holy crap it works
24 15:12:00 rthc good to know, i'll be sure to remember that. i've been wanting something like that for a while now...
24 15:12:00 Morasique apparently it's basically fuse for windows, it's a library that lets you write filesystems
24 15:12:00 Morasique i'll have to mess with this more
24 15:39:00 Morasique i take it back, it doesn't appear to work very well
24 15:41:00 rthc damn
24 15:43:00 tommost_ :(
24 15:44:00 Morasique it displays a list of files, it just isn't a big fan of letting you do anything with them
24 16:03:00 RMR hey you guys are from rose-hulman right?
24 16:03:00 andy7534211 more or less
24 16:04:00 Morasique how do i tell ubuntu to stop messing with my gnu screen?
24 16:04:00 Morasique glares at tommost
24 16:04:00 RMR sweet. this is rusty. i don't know if i talked to any of you guys or not but i was at the installfest
24 16:04:00 tommost RMR: Ah, yeah, I remember you.
24 16:04:00 andy7534211 RMR: awesome, you didn't talk to me though, since i don't go to rose anymore
24 16:04:00 tommost Morasique: Make your own .screenrc?
24 16:05:00 Morasique tommost: i did, it makes both show up
24 16:05:00 RMR tom, i believe i used your sd card
24 16:05:00 Morasique which is less than ideal
24 16:05:00 tommost Yeah.
24 16:05:00 RMR lol
24 16:05:00 tommost Morasique: I don't know. Look at the documentation.
24 16:05:00 Morasique i hate you
24 16:05:00 tommost I've never had this problem.
24 16:05:00 andy7534211 delete ubuntu's and symlink it to /dev/null?
24 16:05:00 RMR lug is meeting today right?
24 16:06:00 tommost Yup, 5:15 in the CS lab.
24 16:06:00 tommost kleinjt should have sent out an e-mail already.
24 16:06:00 RMR cool, i think i might come
24 16:06:00 Morasique andy7534211: i can't figure out where ubuntu's is, that's my main issue
24 16:06:00 tommost Awesome.
24 16:06:00 andy7534211 slocate?
24 16:06:00 andy7534211 or `strace -eopen'
24 16:06:00 tommost /var/lib/screen-profiles/*
24 16:07:00 tommost At least on my laptop.
24 16:07:00 RMR hey, i'm havin a bit of trouble with maple13
24 16:07:00 Morasique what controls which ones get displayed though? is there anything?
24 16:07:00 Morasique i can't actually delete them, i'm not root on this machine
24 16:07:00 rthc RMR: what seems to be the issue?
24 16:07:00 RMR i got it installed but it wants an activation code....
24 16:07:00 Morasique oh, ~/.screen-profiles, i can't believe i missed that. jackpot
24 16:07:00 Morasique thanks
24 16:07:00 tommost Oh, you can get that from IAIT I think.
24 16:08:00 RMR .... i called iait but they just gave me a whole big spiel about how they don't support ubuntu :P
24 16:08:00 tommost Open it up fullscreen and take it down to the help desk and ask them to type in the number.
24 16:08:00 tommost Failing that, perhaps Darryl can help you.
24 16:09:00 RMR whos darryl?
24 16:09:00 tommost One of the CS department techs.
24 16:09:00 RMR ah, i see
24 16:09:00 tommost His office is next to Sriram's.
24 16:09:00 Morasique http://www.cs.rose-hulman.edu/images/facstaff/mouck.jpg
24 16:10:00 Morasique ideally, print that out and bring it with you when you find him
24 16:10:00 RMR lol, ok
24 16:11:00 RMR have any of you got maple 13 installed and activated and what not?
24 16:11:00 tommost I'm still on 11 or 12, I can't remember.
24 16:11:00 kleinjt yeah, I'm running maple 13 off dfs
24 16:11:00 RMR oh, ok
24 16:11:00 tommost Honestly, if you're a CS you won't use it too frequently past freshman year.
24 16:11:00 tommost Ah, yeah, I'm using 11.
24 16:12:00 RMR well thats good
24 16:12:00 andy7534211 they use it in crypto and geometric modeling, i'm not sure what else
24 16:12:00 RMR i'm not too much of a fan
24 16:12:00 RMR lol
24 16:12:00 Morasique RMR: nobody is when they start using it
24 16:12:00 RMR so i've heard
24 16:13:00 tommost The console version is a lot better. It doesn't have the terrible Java GUI on top.
24 16:13:00 RMR i haven't tried workin with the console version yet
24 16:13:00 Morasique tommost: the console version doesn't let you move freely through the worksheet though. that's kind of a big loss
24 16:13:00 Morasique i ended up VMing it most of the time, which is kind of sad really
24 16:13:00 RMR yeah, i can see that
24 16:14:00 andy7534211 (you could use my maple_vim script :)
24 16:14:00 tommost I should try that sometime...
24 16:14:00 Morasique andy7534211: then i'd need to use vim
24 16:14:00 Morasique you could write an emacs_vim script
24 16:14:00 andy7534211 you can probalby use it with emacs as well, it's just a shell script that the document gets filtered though
24 16:14:00 tommost Er, maple_emacs...
24 16:14:00 Morasique er. yes, that makes a bit more sense
24 16:15:00 Morasique andy7534211: oh. way to tell me this after graduation -_-
24 16:15:00 andy7534211 (http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Maple#Editing_maple_in_Vim)
24 16:15:00 RMR hey, bell just rang. i'll probably see you guys at the meeting or somethin
24 16:15:00 RMR good talkin to ya
24 16:15:00 tommost See ya.
24 16:16:00 rthc speaking of the wiki, google for: cadence ius
24 16:16:00 Morasique cheers
24 16:16:00 Morasique i've run across the wiki in google searches before
24 16:16:00 Morasique i think for mail stuff it came up
24 16:17:00 Morasique "Most people who have used this immediately hate it"
24 16:17:00 Morasique well done, whoever wrote this
24 16:17:00 Morasique ah, rthc. not a big surprise
24 16:22:00 tommost We should add screenshots to that page.
24 16:22:00 rthc someone should make sure the info on there is still valid
24 16:22:00 tommost That way we can illustrate the paperclip and airplane workflow.
24 16:22:00 rthc i nominate kleinjt once he's in ece333
24 16:22:00 kleinjt is not in ece333
24 16:22:00 tommost I updated it the last time I used Cadence.
24 16:22:00 rthc _onec_
24 16:22:00 rthc wow, i fail
24 16:23:00 kleinjt damn, we both fail
24 16:23:00 kleinjt well, it was worth it
24 16:39:00 tommost Hey, these screen things are nifty.
25 00:25:00 tommost__ So, once more: has anyone ever gotten irssi to work as a proxy?
25 00:26:00 Morasique what do you mean by that?
25 00:27:00 tommost__ It has some sort of proxy functionality. My assumption is that this would let me connect via an irssi proxy so I wouldn't need more than that connection.
25 00:28:00 Morasique i have no idea what you're talking about, but you can try #irssi
26 14:05:00 tommost_ http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/xip.txt
26 14:05:00 tommost_ The Elphel guys were talking about using this on their cameras.
26 14:26:00 tommost_ So I'm trying to get a third monitor connected to my desktop.
26 14:27:00 tommost_ It currently has two on a PCI Express Nvidia 6600, and an additional GeForce MS 4000 in a PCI slot.
26 14:27:00 tommost_ Unfortunately, the Nvidia driver doesn't seem to notice the MX.
26 14:28:00 tommost_ It does show up in lspci, though.
26 15:03:00 andy7534211 what version of the driver are you using?
26 15:05:00 andy7534211 (try a 9x.xx.xx series driver, i don't think that old of a card is supported by the newer drivers)
26 19:33:00 tommost__ Woo!
26 19:34:00 tommost__ Three monitors!
26 22:13:00 tommost Non-tiling window management without Compiz is painful. :(
26 22:58:00 andy753421 anyone ever tried using the IR port on one of our laptops?
26 23:01:00 tommost Our laptops don't have IR. :'(
27 00:42:00 Morasique andy753421: i tried to figure it out a long time ago but never did
27 03:35:00 andy753421 well the good news is that my IR port is working, the bad new is that i broke everything else :(
27 03:35:00 andy753421 (by everything, i mean nvidia-drivers)
27 03:36:00 andy753421 in other news, python 3.0 is getting pulled in by portage..
27 03:36:00 tommost Yay!
27 03:37:00 andy753421 tommost: it's still in ~x86 (and i assume ~amd64) so don't get your hopes up ;)
27 03:39:00 tommost I don't know what you mean.
27 18:01:00 tommost_ What does one use under Linux for drawing box diagrams?
27 18:01:00 tommost_ I'm trying to use Dia, but it kind of blows.
27 18:02:00 rthc xfig, you might be able to do it with graphviz too
27 18:04:00 tommost_ Yeah, I'm sure I could do it with graphviz, though learning that seems like overkill at the moment --- I just want to put it together quickly.
27 18:07:00 kleinjt tkiz is what I've used, though it isn't very friendly..
27 18:07:00 Morasique i used visio when i was desperate; graphviz is sweet if you have time to learn it though
27 18:07:00 tommost_ I just opened xfig... the horror.
27 18:08:00 Morasique yeah, xfig is definitely not your type of program
27 18:08:00 Morasique it's an andy753421/rthc program
27 18:08:00 tommost_ Fortunately I was expecting this from the "x" in the name. Had I been caught unawares I might have fled the premises.
27 18:08:00 Morasique i should install xeyes
27 18:08:00 tommost_ It's one of those funky X programs that actually uses multiple mouse buttons.
27 18:08:00 Morasique half the reason to switch to linux is xeyes
27 18:09:00 tommost_ I kind of like that, actually.
27 18:09:00 tommost_ It's kind of Plan 9-ish.
27 18:10:00 andy753421 tommost_: what don't you like about dia?
27 18:11:00 tommost_ I want to have text centered (horizontally and vertically) in boxes, with arrows between them.
27 18:11:00 tommost_ I don't want to mess with sizing the boxes, and I don't want to manually set the alignment for every bit of text.
27 18:11:00 tommost_ I want to drag around boxes with little arrows connecting them.
27 18:14:00 andy753421 erm, like that? http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/dia.png
27 18:16:00 tommost_ Yeah, am I doing something wrong?
27 18:16:00 andy753421 apparently..
27 18:16:00 tommost_ What tool do I select to do that?
27 18:16:00 tommost_ I've been using the rectagle one.
27 18:17:00 andy753421 (it won't do word-wrapping very nicely, but i think if you need word-wrapping, you have to much text in your diagram anyway)
27 18:17:00 tommost_ And inserting text by clicking on a rectangle with the text tool.
27 18:17:00 tommost_ Yeah, no word-wrapping required.
27 18:17:00 tommost_ These are just components in the RT software.
27 18:18:00 andy753421 click the drop down box, and select flow chart
27 18:19:00 andy753421 (or something else if you want, like UML)
27 18:19:00 tommost_ Oooo...
27 18:19:00 tommost_ Eww, no UML.
27 18:20:00 Morasique it's a trick! every time i try to use dia for something, i end up changing my mind
27 18:20:00 andy753421 i like the dia uml editor, because it does all the syntax for me so I don't have to remember any of that annoying syntax..
27 18:30:00 rthc System went down at Fri Dec 13 21:54:56 1901
27 18:38:00 tommost_ Is there a way that I can group them semantically, or do I just draw a rectangle around them?
27 18:39:00 tommost_ (I need a box for sensors, sensor processing, outputs, etc.)
27 18:40:00 andy753421 you can do Objects->Group and then they'll all be bound together
27 18:40:00 andy753421 there's an Objects->Parent but that doesn't work very well
27 18:44:00 tommost_ Hmm, it looks like you just drew a box around them in your arch diagram.
27 18:44:00 tommost_ That'll do, I guess.
27 18:45:00 andy753421 yea, that's what i usually do
27 18:58:00 andy753421 interesting.. `dia --integrated'
27 18:58:00 tommost_ Oh, does that put it into a single window?
27 18:58:00 andy753421 yep
27 18:59:00 tommost_ Awesome... it's damn confusing to open up two dias.
27 18:59:00 andy753421 `* there is an optional 'integrated' UI for people otherwise loosing their toolbox ;)'
27 18:59:00 andy753421 (from the changelog)
27 21:52:00 andy753421 anyone know much about udev?
28 04:29:00 andy753421 the lug server looks sad..
28 04:31:00 tommost_ I can't log in...
28 04:31:00 andy753421 yea..
29 00:25:00 Morasique indeed
29 00:26:00 andy7534211 i wish i knew why the init scirpts don't work at boot
29 00:26:00 collinjc One of them had an authentication failure, but it was scrolling by too quickly for me to catch what it was.
29 00:26:00 tommost__ hugs luglog
29 00:26:00 Morasique wait, is there going to be more rebooting?
29 00:26:00 Morasique i should probably hold off on switching back
29 00:27:00 andy7534211 collinjc: i forgot to post a bug report at bugs.gentoo.org last time, one of us should probably do that
29 00:27:00 andy7534211 hey, i think i broke it again
29 00:27:00 andy7534211 collinjc: are you still there?
29 00:28:00 collinjc Yeah, I'm here. But I'm not having issues. How broken is it from your end?
29 00:28:00 collinjc Oh. Spoke too soon.
29 00:28:00 andy7534211 can't ssh in
29 00:28:00 collinjc I can't either anymore.
29 00:28:00 andy7534211 turn off openafs
29 00:29:00 collinjc I'd love to, but the whole thing is locked up.
29 00:29:00 Morasiqu1 test
29 00:29:00 andy7534211 heh, openafs--
29 00:29:00 Morasiqu1 woo!
29 00:30:00 Morasiqu1 yeah, i can't run anything in the shell i have open
29 00:30:00 collinjc Morasiqu1: Enjoy it while it lasts.
29 00:30:00 andy7534211 collinjc: has anything been printed to the console?
29 00:43:00 collinjc I'm not sure. I killed it and it is back up though.
29 00:44:00 andy7534211 http://bugs.gentoo.org/282196 maybe?
29 00:44:00 collinjc Seems quite possible given what it is doing.
29 00:45:00 andy7534211 i guess i'll try updating openafs.. i'm a bit worried about moving to an unstable version of openafs though.. the stable versions are unstable enough already
29 00:46:00 collinjc Well, I'm not sure it could be any more unstable than what we've got on there currently.
29 00:46:00 andy7534211 heh
29 00:46:00 Morasique is having afs mounts particularly important? does anyone use them?
29 00:46:00 collinjc We seem to be having a lot of problems with it lately.
29 00:46:00 collinjc Anyone who doesn't have an account does.
29 00:47:00 tommost__ I use them. Or I would.
29 00:47:00 Morasique oh. well screw those guys
29 00:47:00 collinjc That's basically what we've been doing so far this year.
29 00:47:00 andy7534211 yea, what we should probably do is buy more ram and then run afs and all the other unstable stuff in a VM
29 00:47:00 Morasique and it worked out swimmingly for me
29 00:47:00 collinjc That sounds like a good idea to me.
29 00:48:00 collinjc Too bad we apparently still are not a club.
29 00:48:00 tommost__ How would you get afs over to the outer machine? NFS?
29 00:48:00 collinjc andy754211: Should I stick around for a little while longer in case something goes wrong?
29 00:48:00 andy7534211 oh, i was thinking just not have openafs in the real machine
29 00:48:00 andy7534211 collinjc: probably
29 00:49:00 andy7534211 (note that we should still file a bug report for the vlan stuff)
29 00:49:00 tommost__ Er, then how do non-LUG members get access to AFS from the machine?
29 00:49:00 andy7534211 they don't, they have to use the VM
29 00:50:00 tommost__ ...
29 00:52:00 collinjc I'm perfectly fine with that idea, personally. Everyone still gets access and the server stays up.
29 00:57:00 collinjc andy7534211: Let me know when it is okay to leave the CS lab.
29 00:57:00 andy7534211 ok, i'm restarting openafs
29 01:02:00 andy7534211 well.. lets see if this breaks everything still
29 01:02:00 collinjc So far things are looking good.
29 01:02:00 andy7534211 yea, it seems to not break now
29 01:03:00 andy7534211 awesome, well at least openafs is fixed (well, until they decide to break it again)
29 01:03:00 tommost__ Woo!
29 01:04:00 collinjc Cool.
29 01:05:00 collinjc Okay. Back to my apartment then.
29 06:17:00 andy753421 this looks pretty cool: http://boot.kernel.org/
29 16:26:00 kleinjt pircbot is pegging a CPU at 100% :(
29 16:27:00 Morasique kleinjt: it's the urban terror server, it always does
29 16:29:00 kleinjt the urban terror server only appears to be consuming a few % according to htop, pircbot.jar is taking ~100% :/
29 16:29:00 Morasique it's the urban terror server bot...
29 16:29:00 kleinjt right
29 22:36:00 andy753421 so the problem with gentoo is that if you need to build a static binary for an older architecture you get screwed..
29 22:37:00 andy753421 *cough* someone build me static i686 version of svn */cough*
29 23:19:00 tommost pdflatex doesn't support EPS graphics. :(
29 23:20:00 Morasique you can use eps2pdf
29 23:20:00 Morasique s/2/to/
29 23:20:00 tommost Oh, I suppose.
29 23:20:00 Morasique i think that's what i did, although imagemagick can probably convert eps to something normal
29 23:21:00 andy753421 Morasique: imagemagick would probably rasterize it, which would suck
29 23:21:00 Morasique i don't really know what that means, but i'll take your word that that would be bad :)
29 23:21:00 andy753421 turn it into a bitmap instead of a vector graphic
29 23:41:00 tommost Trac rocks.
29 23:41:00 tommost https://rhitrobotics.org/wiki/software/architecture
29 23:41:00 tommost That image is linked to the image in the SVN repo.
30 10:50:00 Morasique i think the lug server's internet died for a moment
30 10:59:00 Morasique wtf?
30 10:59:00 Morasique rose--
30 11:15:00 tommost__ My Internet was dead last night.
30 11:19:00 Morasique tommost__: at rose or off-campus?
30 12:18:00 tommost_ Off-campus.
30 18:43:00 andy753421 hey, this is cool, the latest wmii sort-of does sub-columns
30 18:44:00 tommost Oooo.
30 18:45:00 tommost I should switch to wmii.
30 18:45:00 tommost Does it do the little graph things that Awesome 2 does?
30 18:45:00 andy753421 (if you have a window in a column with zero width, and switch to it, it expands and the window you switched from goes to zero height)
30 18:45:00 andy753421 *zero height
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