30 20:57:00 chtr why does the exchange server have a new cert?
02 23:13:00 tommost http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html
03 09:27:00 Morasique the exchange certificate is still messed up; i've decided to risk a phishing site stealing my kerberos password
04 14:12:00 tommost Doing a dist-update to 9.04, finally.
04 14:18:00 Morasique tommost: wow; i did that before you and i don't use ubuntu :)
04 14:19:00 Morasique although i suppose dist-upgrades are harder than deleting the VM and installing a new one
04 14:20:00 tommost I didn't want to do it before going to the IGVC in case it messed something up, and the Internet connection at my apartment is far too slow.
04 14:57:00 crr Morasique: are all your machines gentoo boxes?
04 14:58:00 Morasique well, there's only two, but yes
04 14:58:00 Morasique technically my ancient laptop that i use as an alarm clock runs windows 2000, i'm going to convert it at some point
04 14:59:00 crr I would be afraid of using a computer as an alarm clock
04 14:59:00 crr "I'm still tired, I'll just hit this thing to snooze it"
04 15:03:00 Morasique crr: my problem is i tend to shut alarms off rather than snoozing, so the computer alarm clock is specifically programmed to not allow that, you have to snooze and ten seconds later you can shut off the new 5 minute alarm if you want to. by then i'm usually asleep again; if not i'm probably awake enough to make it out of bed
04 15:03:00 Morasique http://picasaweb.google.com/sysop073/MyHouse#5354385800168682930
04 15:03:00 Morasique for the win
04 15:04:00 crr makes sense. I just dealt with it by putting my alarm clocks across the room from me
04 15:04:00 crr once I get there I'm normally awake enough to convince myself not to go back to sleep
04 15:04:00 Morasique i could do that now; i used to feel bad that my alarm was waking up all my roommates while i stumbled across the room trying to shut it off
04 15:07:00 Morasique now that i have my own place i plan to break out x10 everywhere to have my whole house flip out when my alarm goes off
04 15:07:00 Morasique it should be quite fun
04 15:15:00 Morasique http://piestar.net/2009/06/26/linux-isnt-windows-you-dont-say/
04 15:53:00 tommost Wow, what an idiot.
04 15:55:00 tommost ...and so is the guy criticizing him.
04 15:55:00 tommost Wow.
04 18:59:00 Morasique fuck yes, i can control my hall light from my computer
04 18:59:00 Morasique i...am a god
04 18:59:00 Morasique i'm binding this to a hotkey
04 18:59:00 phenom_ no you aren't
04 19:00:00 phenom_ you are just a minor deity
04 19:00:00 Morasique true, i've only got the one light wired
04 19:00:00 Morasique once i get the rest of the house rigged though...you should probably all hide
04 19:00:00 phenom_ you can always do better
04 19:00:00 Morasique i've got it turning on and off every ten seconds atm
04 19:00:00 Morasique it's pretty entertaining
04 19:00:00 phenom_ it just needs more pumpkin
04 19:00:00 Morasique the neighbor behind me is probably wondering wtf i'm doing, he can see the light turning on and off by itself from his window
04 19:02:00 phenom_ well if he asks tell him a really long story that never actually gets anywhere
04 19:11:00 phenom_ is anyone out there or you all servers?
04 19:13:00 Morasique most of these people don't talk, there's a few that are probably watching and just ignoring us
04 20:26:00 phenom_ cool
04 20:27:00 phenom_ I had a problem but I resolved it just had to install alsa
04 22:02:00 tommost Well, that was fun.
04 22:02:00 tommost As I should have expected, ATI managed to fuck up the process.
04 22:02:00 tommost It took an "apt-get purge xorg-driver-fglrx" to get things working again.
04 22:33:00 Morasique tommost: it's your own fault for using ATI
04 22:33:00 tommost So when I upgraded to 9.04 the "colors" command in my .zshrc stopped working.
04 22:34:00 Morasique yeah, they took the function out of the new zsh for some reason, i just added it to my .zshrc manually
04 22:34:00 Morasique it's been like that for ages, apparently you haven't updated zsh in a while
04 22:34:00 tommost Yeah, not for quite a while.
04 22:34:00 tommost What does the function do, specifically?
04 22:35:00 Morasique it adds a bunch of variables that contain the ansi color codes for stuff, like $fg[red]
04 22:35:00 Morasique if you have /usr/share/zsh/(something)/functions/Misc/colors you can just source it, otherwise you'll have to define it yourself. assuming you're using it at all
04 22:35:00 tommost Ah.
04 22:35:00 tommost Yeah, I use it in my PS1.
04 22:37:00 tommost It's at /usr/share/zsh/functions/Misc/colors for me. Thanks.
04 22:38:00 Morasique gizmo for the win. now my google voice number calls my computer too
04 22:39:00 tommost I tried to use that on my 770 but could never get their web site to let me pay them money.
04 22:39:00 tommost It was pathetic.
04 22:39:00 tommost I wasn't impressed.
04 22:39:00 tommost When I came to Rose my original plan was to just use the 770 as a phone so I wouldn't need to mess with owning a cell phone.
04 22:41:00 Morasique yeah, i'm using it on my n810 right now
04 22:43:00 tommost So, I'm looking for a tiling window manager that supports compositing. Any suggestions?
04 22:43:00 Morasique any tiling window manager + xcompmgr
04 22:44:00 tommost I thought the wm needed to support xcompmgr.
04 22:44:00 tommost I mean, I know it doesn't work with my current version of awesome.
04 22:44:00 Morasique does your current version of awesome happen to be an ancient version you should've stopped using ages ago?
04 22:45:00 Morasique by that i mean, does it use lua or a flat file?
04 22:45:00 tommost Flat file! :D
04 22:45:00 Morasique how often have we had this conversation?
04 22:45:00 Morasique and yet you still don't upgrade
04 22:45:00 tommost One or twice in the months since awesome 3 was released.
04 22:46:00 tommost s/One/Once/
04 22:46:00 Morasique this is at least the third time
04 22:46:00 Morasique <tommost> i want my wm to do X
04 22:46:00 Morasique <Morasique> awesome does that
04 22:46:00 Morasique <tommost> i'm using awesome 2 :(
04 22:46:00 Morasique <Morasique> fool!
04 22:46:00 tommost Of course, you've also complained about how your config breaks on the new version... well, how many new versions have there been since you started using awesome?
04 22:47:00 Morasique 3 or 4
04 22:47:00 Morasique at least upgrade to 3 though
04 22:47:00 Morasique i use 3.1, i think they're on 3.3 now
04 22:48:00 tommost Hey, cool, there are bugfixes out for 2.3.
04 22:48:00 tommost I wonder if they fixed any of the bugs that drive me crazy...
04 22:57:00 tommost Whoever maintains the awesome package for Ubuntu is fantastically slow about it.
04 22:57:00 tommost Awesome 3 won't bet there until 9.10.
04 23:23:00 tommost Thunderbird hate #367: Subject lines are not wrapped in message display pane.
05 01:43:00 kleinjt__ I'm considering just not going to sleep today.
05 07:59:00 Morasique i just found this in a script: CURDIR=`dirname "$0"`
05 07:59:00 Morasique erm. CURDIR="."?
05 08:01:00 Morasique what's the command to update symlinks in /usr/lib?
05 08:02:00 chtr ldconfig?
05 08:03:00 Morasique yeah, thanks
05 09:39:00 Morasique i knew installing the new flash player was a bad idea; audio doesn't work
05 09:39:00 Morasique why is flash so dysfunctional on linux?
05 14:33:00 Morasique Guest71363: perhaps you should choose a different nick?
05 14:34:00 Morasique [18:24] <sniper506th> i figured installing linux on a mac would be a piece of cake
05 14:34:00 Morasique just thought i'd share that
05 18:33:00 Guest71363 I had one but someone on another channel came in and I got defaulted to this
05 18:47:00 Morasique it's changing you to that because phenom is registered and protected
05 18:47:00 Guest71363 yeah thats what i figured
05 18:47:00 Guest71363 oh well
05 18:50:00 rthc RythymAlchemist: fyi: you spelled ``rhythm'' incorrectly
05 18:52:00 Morasique rthc: fyi: you spelled ``auchter'' incorrectly
05 18:52:00 RythymAlchemist I know the spelled right one was taken :P
05 18:52:00 rthc we've been over this already: echo auchter | sed 's/[aeiou]//g' | rev
05 18:53:00 Morasique RhythmAlchemist isn't taken, and i would be rather stunned if it were
05 18:54:00 RythymAlchemist not on free node but another irc
05 18:54:00 Morasique ...
05 18:55:00 RythymAlchemist I use the same client for all of them
05 18:55:00 Morasique and it makes you use the same nick?
05 19:00:00 RythymAlchemist no it just stores the last one I used for some reason
05 19:43:00 Morasique is there something i can pipe code through that will syntax highlight it in a terminal?
05 21:02:00 tommost_lug Morasique: Pygments.
06 11:27:00 Morasique i don't know why, but windows' file search is about 100000 times faster than cygwin's find command. i'll let cygwin run for 20 minutes and then start windows' and the windows one finishes in seconds
06 11:30:00 tommost_lug Are you using the Windows Desktop Search?
06 11:30:00 tommost_lug Because my experience indicates the opposite, although I've been using grep, not find.
06 11:30:00 tommost_lug WDS is significantly faster than the old search tool, though.
06 11:37:00 Morasique no, i don't have any fancy stuff installed
06 11:38:00 Morasique it's apparently not cygwin's fault, the unxutils build of find sucks too
06 20:10:00 andy753421 someone at rose: can you log into angel and get some information for me about how the `banner web' button works?
06 20:11:00 andy753421 (sorry for the vague question, my angel account is apparently disabled)
06 20:12:00 andy753421 (I'm wondering if it can be reproduced outside of angel so I can still log into banner)
06 20:13:00 rthc there's an RHIT Portal button, that refers to banner web
06 20:13:00 andy753421 yea, that's probably the one
06 20:14:00 andy753421 is that the one that gets kerberos tickets for you so you don't have to type your password into angel?
06 20:14:00 rthc looks like it
06 20:14:00 andy753421 s/into angel/into banner/
06 20:15:00 andy753421 could you post a view-source and your browser cookies before and after clicking that button? (you'll probably want to delete/change a few characters when you post them so I can't hijack your session)
06 20:16:00 andy753421 or if you can figure out how it works, that'd be fine too
06 20:16:00 rthc it gives you a url such as the following: https://prodbss.rose-hulman.edu/BanSS/angel.P_Login?Token=fGF1Y2h0ZW1tfFhYWFhYWFhYWFhYWFhYWFhYWHwyMDA5MDcwNzAwMTUyOTIwMDowNzA3MDAyMDI5fA= (censored, -andy)
06 20:19:00 andy753421 hm.. that's the base64 of `|auchtemm|XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|20090707001529200:0707002029|' (censored, -andy)
06 20:19:00 andy753421 i guess the XXXXX... is the important part (censored, -andy)
06 20:21:00 rthc so it's actually four fields
06 20:21:00 andy753421 ?
06 20:21:00 rthc |username|somethingimportant|begin_date_valid|end_date_valid|
06 20:22:00 rthc i probably should have changed some characters at the start instead of only the end ;)
06 20:22:00 andy753421 if you close your browser/clear session cookies, is that link still valid?
06 20:25:00 rthc yep, just went to it through elinks
06 20:25:00 andy753421 awesome, now I just need to figure out how to generate <important stuff> for my account
06 20:32:00 andy753421 does it generate the same fields/<important stuff> each time you log into angel?
06 20:33:00 rthc don't know, i suspect it will give me the same value right now since that ticket is still valid
06 20:34:00 andy753421 mkay
06 20:35:00 rthc ...aaand now is about the time i change my password
06 20:35:00 rthc the second field stayed the same
06 20:35:00 andy753421 hehe
06 20:36:00 andy753421 i wonder if it will matter if you change your password
06 20:36:00 rthc i hope it does
06 20:36:00 andy753421 i can modify the log if you like
06 20:36:00 rthc we'll see if this works first, i'm curious
06 20:36:00 andy753421 yea, me too
06 20:36:00 rthc are {passwd,password}.rose-hulman.edu down?
06 20:37:00 andy753421 don't know
06 20:37:00 andy753421 you can use the terminal server, and you used to be able to use kadmin, but i don't think kadmin works anymore
06 20:37:00 rthc apparently it only works on campus...
06 20:37:00 andy753421 ah
06 20:40:00 rthc go ahead and censor that out of the logs if you don't mind...
06 20:40:00 rthc password changed, it's still the same
06 20:44:00 andy753421 ok, done
06 20:44:00 rthc awesome, thanks.
06 20:47:00 andy753421 so the correct format for that is
06 20:47:00 andy753421 |username|XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|YYYYmmddHHMMSSYYYYmmddHHMMSS| ?
06 20:47:00 andy753421 or is there a | between the two dates?
06 20:47:00 rthc yes, a | between the dates
06 20:47:00 andy753421 ok
06 20:54:00 andy753421 so i suspect that that important informatino will expire anyway, if it hasn't alreay
06 21:00:00 rthc yeah, hopefully
06 21:11:00 andy753421 if anyone else wants to take up the cause, try swapping out <spenceal> with <yourname> and see if you can log in as me
06 21:28:00 andy753421 well that's interesting, i can still log into angelx.rose-hulman.edu (old angel database) but banner button doesn't show up in the side bar
06 21:45:00 Morasique so did that link let you log in as auchter from another machine, ooc?
06 21:46:00 Morasique it doesn't anymore if it did; i tried changing the date range and it still fails
06 21:46:00 Morasique "P_ValLogin OTHERS Exception - SQLCODE=100 ORA-01403: no data found "
06 21:48:00 Morasique i imagine the "important part" is randomly generated and stored in a session database, so i don't think you can mess with it to log in anytime
06 21:48:00 Morasique although it doesn't appear randomly generated
06 21:52:00 Morasique i never realized banner is apparently ~20 different products. i wonder how much rose pays for that
06 21:56:00 andy753421 ~20 products?
06 21:56:00 andy753421 auchter said he left off a few [apparently] important bits from the end of the string
06 21:57:00 andy753421 Morasique: I want to say i remembered it generating kerberos tickets, so I was wondering if I could generate the important part using the mit-krb5 utils
06 21:58:00 Morasique http://www.sungardhe.com/Products/Category.aspx?id=1184
06 21:58:00 Morasique how is it base64 decoding if he left part of it off?
06 22:00:00 andy753421 i don't think base64 does any sort of redundancy checking, it just maps characters
06 22:00:00 andy753421 oh, guess your right
06 22:00:00 andy753421 but apparently it doesn't matter on the end
06 22:01:00 andy753421 n/m again, it's just mappings
06 22:01:00 andy753421 the school i went to before rose used banner as well, but they're nice enough to let us keep our accounts after we graduated
06 22:02:00 andy753421 someone should make a list of hashes/encodings/etc and what they look like/how many characters they are/etc
06 22:02:00 Morasique you're right, it is just mappings, but the url even has the = padding at the end, unless he realized that and deleted other chars
06 22:03:00 Morasique there probably is one somewhere
06 22:03:00 andy753421 s/make/find and send me a link to/
06 22:04:00 Morasique if it doesn't exist that is a good idea; like the integer sequence database but for hashes
07 15:14:00 tommost I think that Firefox needs to do more to prioritize tabs near the end when you open it with an existing session.
07 15:16:00 tommost It takes a few minutes for all my tabs to load after a restart, which is far too long for the last five or so that I care about immediately.
07 15:20:00 rthc i have 98 tabs open on my work machine
07 15:23:00 tommost I only have 39 open on my desktop.
07 18:15:00 andy753421 anyone know of a way to paste the selection buffer using a key command instead of a middle click?
07 18:15:00 andy753421 or a command line program would work too, since i could use xbindkeys then
07 18:25:00 Morasique you mean in any program? i have it bound to shift+insert in urxvt
07 18:25:00 andy753421 yea, any program would be nice
07 18:26:00 andy753421 copying data between urxvt and gtk programs is painful without a middle mouse button
07 18:28:00 Morasique i also have urxvt rigged to write to the primary clipboard as well as the selection, so i just use ctrl+v in most other programs
07 18:28:00 Morasique but i imagine you don't want that
08 20:54:00 andy753421 does/can firefox save previous answer to form fields if they're radio/check buttons?
08 21:19:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure it doesn't natively, there might be a plugin for it
09 09:13:00 Morasique is there a way to specify a build should keep going in a makefile? i want it to act like make -k, but i want to specify it in the makefile instead of passing a flag
09 14:00:00 rthc http://freya.phire.org/shots/2009-07-09_22:00:36_1920x1200.png
09 14:00:00 rthc i'm very worried
09 14:00:00 rthc and hey, you're not #rhnoise!
10 17:55:00 Morasique [21:54] <sniper506th> gedit is my choice on linux
10 17:55:00 Morasique [21:54] <sniper506th> in a shell, nano
10 17:56:00 rthc you know, i can even understand people who use emacs, it's a capable editor. but nano?
10 17:57:00 tommost Nano is more capable than you think.
10 17:57:00 rthc i have a hard time believing that
10 17:57:00 Morasique i don't, since it would be hard for it to be less capable than i think
10 17:58:00 tommost It does syntax highlighting.
10 17:58:00 tommost Spell checking.
10 17:58:00 rthc code completion?
10 17:58:00 tommost Not that I'm aware of.
10 17:58:00 Morasique yeah, that's way more than i thought
10 17:58:00 tommost It also does paragraph justification.
10 17:58:00 rthc yeah, not terribly capable then.
10 17:58:00 tommost Something that vim doesn't do, I might add.
10 17:59:00 rthc i have no idea what you even mean by thaqt
10 17:59:00 andy753421 is that like what troff does?
10 17:59:00 Morasique M-x justify-current-line
10 18:00:00 tommost It wraps the current paragraph.
10 18:00:00 andy753421 wrap?
10 18:00:00 Morasique andy753421: i'm starting to think you're just playing dumb now
10 18:00:00 Morasique paragraph?
10 18:00:00 andy753421 don't pretty much all text editors do that?
10 18:00:00 Morasique he means hard wrap it, add a new line
10 18:00:00 andy753421 or do you mean line up both the left and right sides?
10 18:01:00 tommost No, the wrapping bit. Justification is the wrong word.
10 18:01:00 tommost The function is called "Justify", however.
10 18:01:00 andy753421 vim does wrapping?
10 18:01:00 tommost The shortcut is ^J.
10 18:02:00 rthc gqap
10 18:02:00 andy753421 :set tw=80
10 18:02:00 rthc well yeah, after doing that.
10 18:03:00 tommost Yay!
10 18:03:00 rthc tw only wraps as you type, gqap will reformat a paragraph
10 18:03:00 tommost Another bit of vim magic I'll never remember...
10 18:03:00 rthc tommost has discovered the best way to learn about vim/linux/plan9
10 18:03:00 rthc asking a question will never get replies
10 18:03:00 andy753421 irc?
10 18:03:00 rthc accusing the software of not having a feature will get several
10 18:03:00 tommost andy753421: Claiming it doesn't do it.
10 18:03:00 andy753421 hehe
10 18:03:00 Morasique rthc: everyone always says that, but it's total bullshit
10 18:03:00 Morasique if he'd said "hey, how do you wrap text in vim", one of you would've answered
10 18:03:00 rthc i sure wouldn't have
10 18:04:00 andy753421 i probably would have said `:help <something>'
10 18:04:00 Morasique ...
10 18:04:00 tommost Well, in this case I really though that vim didn't have that feature, based on something I read on the cream site.
10 18:04:00 andy753421 or! `:helpgrep wrap'
10 18:05:00 andy753421 i think your first mistake was going to the cream site
10 18:06:00 rthc there's some vimrc that got included on my gvim windows install that remaps ^V to paste
10 18:06:00 andy753421 actually i don't know, it seemed lame last time i checked though
10 18:06:00 andy753421 there's alway evim too
10 18:06:00 rthc you'd think i would remove it, given how many times that has screwed me up
10 18:06:00 rthc seriously, how can people live with ^V as paste instead of visual block?
10 18:07:00 tommost auchter: It's normal?
10 18:07:00 andy753421 auchter: is that actually a mapping? i always assumed it was just something you had to live with being on windows
10 18:07:00 Morasique there was a thing on reddit about how C^[xcv] are the accepted hotkeys and emacs/vim changing them is weird and confusing
10 18:07:00 tommost Frankly, I'm still not sure how to paste in vim...
10 18:07:00 rthc andy753421: i assumed it was a mapping, i might be wrong.
10 18:07:00 rthc tommost: p/P is a good start
10 18:07:00 andy753421 ^R is good as well
10 18:08:00 tommost No, I know about p, but it never works like I expect.
10 18:08:00 tommost I think it's something I'll have to learn.
10 18:08:00 rthc what do you mean?
10 18:08:00 andy753421 tommost: .. what were you expecting?
10 18:08:00 andy753421 auchter: ^R inserts a buffer from insert mode
10 18:09:00 andy753421 ^R* and ^R+ to insert X11 selection and copy buffers
10 18:09:00 rthc oh, cool.
10 18:09:00 andy753421 or ^R= to insert the expression buffer
10 18:09:00 tommost Yay! Real pasting!
10 18:09:00 tommost Now I just have to figure out how to do real copying...
10 18:09:00 rthc y!
10 18:09:00 andy753421 ^R=system('date')
10 18:09:00 Morasique i still can't get non-X emacs to use the X clipboards, i'm starting to think it may be impossible
10 18:10:00 tommost And what I was actually talking about before is that it didn't insert relative to the cursor position like I was expecting.
10 18:10:00 andy753421 tommost: what were you expecting?
10 18:11:00 tommost Let me open vim and figure it out...
10 18:11:00 Morasique how do you copy? i'm trying to do it now
10 18:11:00 andy753421 in vim?
10 18:11:00 Morasique yeah
10 18:12:00 tommost I dd and then j then p...
10 18:12:00 andy753421 `y' for copy, or any deletion operation is like cut
10 18:12:00 Morasique how do i highlight?
10 18:12:00 andy753421 v
10 18:12:00 rthc v
10 18:12:00 Morasique hmm. i thought i did that
10 18:12:00 rthc or V for lines
10 18:13:00 andy753421 you could you also use y<motion>
10 18:13:00 Morasique yeah, it is different from most apps. it inserts after the point instead of before
10 18:13:00 Morasique although there's probably keys for both
10 18:13:00 andy753421 P inserts before
10 18:13:00 andy753421 p is after
10 18:15:00 andy753421 if you want to copy to X11 you have to copy to the correct buffer ("<buffer><copy command)
10 18:16:00 andy753421 s/buffer/register/g
10 18:17:00 rthc is there a text object for when you hit a case boundary?
10 18:18:00 andy753421 auchter: you mean you want everything around the cursor that is the same case?
10 18:18:00 rthc yees
10 18:19:00 andy753421 it's not built in, there might be a script for it, but i don't think so, it seems a bit obscure
10 18:19:00 rthc well, actually, no, i guess i don't want everything the same case
10 18:20:00 rthc basically i want eachPartOfCamelCasedNames to be a text object
10 18:20:00 andy753421 eew
10 18:20:00 rthc i can't tell you the number of times i have my cursor over Camel, and press dw wanting to delete it...
10 18:20:00 andy753421 daw?
10 18:21:00 rthc no, i want to just delete, in this example, Camel
10 18:21:00 andy753421 the command `dw' doesn't make use of textobjects
10 18:22:00 rthc good point, but this is an example
10 18:22:00 andy753421 so do you want a text object for `Camel' or do you want a motion that stops at the start/end of `Camel'?
10 18:23:00 rthc either.
10 18:23:00 andy753421 the motion would be easier to make
10 18:23:00 rthc interesting, i'll have to look into it
10 18:23:00 rthc i'll be back, time to head to the store.
10 18:23:00 andy753421 see also: 'iskeyword'
10 18:30:00 andy753421 auchter: you could do something like `:omap cc /\u<CR>' and then dcc to delete up to the next upper case character, text operators are harder though because you have to delete in two direction
10 18:35:00 andy753421 there's some scripts for text objects, or you could hack the vim source (nv_object() in normal.c)
11 17:04:00 tommost Yay, dnsmasq works.
11 17:04:00 tommost I was getting tired of 10 second DNS lookups...
11 17:11:00 Morasique what is it?
11 17:12:00 tommost It does local DNS caching.
11 17:13:00 rthc don't a lot of routers do that for you?
11 17:13:00 Morasique i've never heard of routers doing it, but fancy ones might
11 17:14:00 tommost Yeah, I've never heard of that.
11 17:14:00 tommost Maybe if you used Linux on a WRT54G
11 17:14:00 rthc i just kind of assumed, since i know for some routers i've used the dns server IP you get over DHCP is the ip of the router
11 17:14:00 rthc punctuation probably would have done wonders for that sentence
11 17:14:00 tommost Hmm... well, not in my experience, but it certainly seems reasonable.
11 17:15:00 tommost It could be that that's just for resolving hostnames, though.
11 17:15:00 rthc yes, i suppose so
11 17:16:00 tommost Hmm, dnsmasq also appears to do DHCP.
11 17:16:00 tommost I suppose I could replace the DHCP server I was using with it.
11 17:18:00 tommost I should set up netbooting for my extra laptop...
12 16:26:00 Morasique ``Want to sync your iPod Touch with Ubuntu? First, uninstall "libgpod," then install "ipod-convenience" and either "amarok" or "gtkpod." After that, mount your device to get the iTunes database hash, and then, after jailbreaking your iPod Touch (thus voiding the warranty), connect it to your PC wirelessly. Easy, huh?''
12 16:26:00 Morasique uh. yes? i thought it was going to be much harder than that
12 16:29:00 tommost Wait, you have to jailbreak iPods now?
12 16:30:00 Morasique apparently to sync them on linux you do
13 05:55:00 Morasique is there a way to tell svn stat to only show versioned files? i've been using svn stat | grep '^[^?]', but it seems like it should support it
13 13:15:00 povilus_desktop anyone know how to do i2c in latex as in i^2c
13 13:16:00 povilus_desktop its italasizing everything after the square but it is working
13 13:18:00 andy753421 i think equations are italicized by default ( $i^2c$ ) you could also try ( i$^2$c )
13 13:19:00 Morasique if you want to unformat text in the middle of an equation the standard way is \rm, like $abc{\rm efg}hij$, but i'm not sure if that's what you're looking for
13 13:20:00 andy753421 you could also say screw latex and use U+00b2
13 13:20:00 povilus_desktop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C2%B2C
13 13:20:00 povilus_desktop this crap i want to refrence it in the middle of normal text
13 13:22:00 povilus_desktop I$^2$C seems to work thank you
13 13:22:00 Morasique \def\i2c{I\ensuremath{^2}C} and just use \i2c everywhere
13 13:24:00 andy753421 I need to learn how to do stuff in TeX, apparently, \newcommand{\i2c}{I$^2$C} doesn't work
13 13:26:00 Morasique weird. i would've thought it would, i just usually use \def for arg-less commands
13 15:04:00 andy753421 wow dillo finally got some basic support for CSS
13 15:26:00 rthc isn't \def tex?
13 15:47:00 Morasique yeah, that's what he meant
13 15:47:00 Morasique \def works, \newcommand doesn't
13 15:47:00 Morasique although i have no idea why
13 15:52:00 rthc no, i'm saying i thought \def was tex, and thus discouraged, whereas \newcommand is latex
13 15:53:00 Morasique ah. yes
14 23:34:00 andy753421 whoo, aweather is in gentoo-sunrise
14 23:34:00 andy753421 someone should try installing it to see if it actually wors
14 23:34:00 andy753421 *works
15 00:38:00 Morasique andy752421: very cool
15 00:38:00 Morasique i can see the gtk teapot in the background; i assume/hope that's not normal?
15 00:39:00 Morasique and the radar doesn't appear to work
15 00:39:00 Morasique ** (aweather:3679): WARNING **: Error loading list for KIND: Operation not supported
15 00:39:00 Morasique ** (aweather:3679): WARNING **: data: done_cb - error copying file, status=404
15 04:59:00 rthc hm, i'll give that a try when i get off of work
15 16:15:00 tommost They really should have disabled unredirection of fullscreen windows in Compiz when they introduced the new notification system in Ubuntu 9.04.
15 16:15:00 tommost It interacts very poorly with fullscreen videos when you adjust the volume.
15 17:01:00 andy753421 Morasique: what version of glib/gtk/gvfs do you have installed?
15 17:03:00 andy753421 Morasique: the teapot is intentional, it's an example of how to implement the AWeatherPlugin class
15 17:04:00 andy753421 i'm planning on having the plugins be loadable/unloadable, but for now there's just a line in main: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=583915
15 17:04:00 andy753421 aweather_gui_register_plugin(gui, AWEATHER_PLUGIN(aweather_radar_new(gui)));
15 17:04:00 andy753421 (ignore that link)
15 17:04:00 andy753421 s/aweather_radar_new/aweather_example_new/
15 17:15:00 andy753421 also, if anyone still has gtk+-2.16.x installed, you should try patching the ebuild and compiling it with that to see if it works
15 19:05:00 Morasique andy753421: glib 2.20.4, gtk+ 2.16.1. i had to upgrade both to install aweather. i don't have gvfs, do i need it? it's not in the ebuild
15 19:07:00 andy753421 yea, i've been meaning to take that dependency out, but you need gvfs-http to fetch the list of radar files
15 19:07:00 andy753421 (gvfs-http really sucks though so I want to get rid of it, but it's easy to use)
15 19:08:00 andy753421 i wonder if I add gvfs to the ebuild, if I can take out gtk+-2.16
15 19:10:00 andy753421 someone needs to make a program that determines what versions of the libraries are required to run a program
15 19:13:00 Morasique andy753421: i still get the same error; does gvfs need any use flags?
15 19:14:00 andy753421 i have it set to use bluetooht, doc, hal, and samba
15 19:14:00 andy753421 i don't think any of those would matter
15 19:15:00 andy753421 i wonder if you have to compile glib after installing gvfs? that seem stupid though
15 19:15:00 shatly o/
15 19:16:00 tommost sled? Is that you?
15 19:16:00 shatly shadghost
15 19:17:00 shatly how has you all been doing
15 19:18:00 Morasique andy753421: is gvfs-http a binary? i don't have it
15 19:18:00 Morasique i have miscellaneous other gvfs- ones, but not that
15 19:18:00 andy753421 it should be /usr/libexec/gvfsd-http
15 19:21:00 Morasique i have no idea what's wrong. i just rebuilt aweather, i have gvfsd-http but i still get the same error
15 19:21:00 andy753421 want to try re-building glib?
15 19:21:00 andy753421 i'm wondering if glib has a #ifdef HAS_GVFS_HTTP or something in it
15 19:22:00 Morasique i suppose. that seems backwards
15 19:22:00 andy753421 yea it does.. but so does the whole of gvfs
15 19:27:00 Morasique it didn't matter
15 19:27:00 andy753421 hm..
15 19:28:00 andy753421 well, i think it's time to start work on aweather-0.1.1 - the GVFS Sucks release
15 19:34:00 andy753421 looks like gvfs needs dbus as well, that's equally lame
15 19:36:00 andy753421 whoo! `const gchar* const*' functions
15 23:13:00 andy753421 Ok, i committed a non-gvfs version of awether, which should get pushed to sunrise in a couple days
16 18:51:00 RhythmAlchemist Does anyone know the passkey for the Rose Hulman Folding at home team
16 18:55:00 rthc no idea. i know some of the machines in g220 run folding at home, though...
16 19:14:00 RhythmAlchemist nevermind figured it out
16 19:14:00 RhythmAlchemist it is a blank field . . .
16 19:23:00 andy753421 rthc, Morasique: you should try aweather-0.1.1 (in sunrise)
16 19:25:00 rthc andy753421: will do sometime this weekend
16 19:29:00 andy753421 ok, it still needs gtk-2.16 (for some of the new GtkBuilder stuff) but it doesnt use gvfs anymore
16 19:32:00 rthc yay, fewer dependencies
17 10:14:00 RhythmAlchemist I just did an equo world update and updated all packages and now compiz doesn't work
17 10:14:00 RhythmAlchemist anyone else have gentoo or have any suggestions
17 11:15:00 Morasique what does it say?
17 12:01:00 RhythmAlchemist when I switch from kwin to compiz all the windows lose their title bars and nothing is clickable then after a few seconds x11 crashes and I have to restart it
17 12:04:00 Morasique how are you switching to compiz? some gui thing?
17 12:05:00 RhythmAlchemist Yeah
17 12:06:00 RhythmAlchemist I have tried changing via terminal too though and the same problem occurs
17 12:06:00 Morasique does it output anything when you do compiz --replace? that's what i'm interested in
17 12:07:00 RhythmAlchemist compiz (core) - Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual
17 12:07:00 RhythmAlchemist compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0
17 12:07:00 RhythmAlchemist compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
17 12:08:00 Morasique what graphics driver are you using?
17 12:09:00 Morasique and what video card, i guess
17 12:12:00 RhythmAlchemist nvidia driver 185.18.14
17 12:13:00 RhythmAlchemist nvidia Quadro FX 570M graphics card
17 12:18:00 Morasique what do you have at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx*
17 12:18:00 RhythmAlchemist responded "segmentation failed"
17 12:19:00 Morasique er. what?
17 12:22:00 RhythmAlchemist the file doesn't exist
17 12:22:00 RhythmAlchemist that might be a problem
17 12:24:00 Morasique there's nothing in that folder starting with libglx?
17 12:25:00 Morasique does compiz say "Checking for Xgl: present" when you start it?
17 12:27:00 RhythmAlchemist there is only numeric and symbol named files in that folder
17 12:27:00 RhythmAlchemist Compiz doesn't output anything when I start it
17 12:29:00 Morasique er. that's really weird, it always outputs something. did you try reinstalling it?
17 12:30:00 Morasique i'm heading home, i'll bbl
17 12:30:00 RhythmAlchemist thats what I will probably end up doing it
17 12:30:00 RhythmAlchemist I will have to emerge
17 12:30:00 Morasique just emerge compiz and leave it
17 12:30:00 RhythmAlchemist yeah thats what I will probably do
17 23:40:00 Morasique andy753421: aweather works now
17 23:41:00 andy753421 whoo, awesome
18 00:15:00 kleinjt 602:55 <@rthc> i drink coffee, espresso, water, carb. water, the aforementioned
18 00:15:00 kleinjt er..
18 00:15:00 kleinjt clipboard check!
18 00:18:00 Morasique how do these things always end up on your clipboard?
18 18:19:00 rthc andy753421: aweather installed like a charm from sunrise
18 18:19:00 andy753421 awesome
18 18:20:00 rthc two issue with it so far: the teapot is always visible. should it be?
18 18:20:00 andy753421 hehe, technically, that's not a bu
18 18:20:00 andy753421 g
18 18:20:00 andy753421 did you try clicking rotate? ;)
18 18:21:00 rthc hehe.
18 18:21:00 rthc ok, second issue
18 18:21:00 rthc i select austin, texas. i can view everything fine
18 18:21:00 rthc i switch tags, and then switch back to aweather
18 18:21:00 rthc now it's back to the indianapolis view
18 18:22:00 andy753421 yea, i noticed that as well
18 18:22:00 rthc ok, just wanted to make sure you knew
18 18:23:00 andy753421 It's because it does some set-up when the UI gets mapped (OpenGL crashes if you do it earlier) but i didn't realize at the time at it would get re-mapped whenever you switch tags or something
18 18:23:00 rthc ah, ok
18 18:34:00 Morasique rthc: the teapot gets hidden if you let the window float so it sizes itself
18 18:37:00 andy753421 Morasique, auchter: I should point out that you can use hjkl to pan, and io to zoom
18 18:37:00 andy753421 i'm typically zoomed into the point that you can't see the teapot anyway
18 18:37:00 Morasique oh, cool
18 18:38:00 Morasique now you have to write a man page to explain all this stuff to us non-meteorologists
18 18:39:00 andy753421 oh, i did forget about man pages
18 18:39:00 andy753421 i set up gtkdoc but that's only useful for developers
18 18:40:00 andy753421 what stuff would you want in the man page? It seems like a full-out weather radar textbook would be a bit out of scope
18 18:40:00 andy753421 I suppose the key commands would be a good start
18 18:41:00 rthc a /link/ to a full-out weather radar textbook
18 18:41:00 andy753421 ...
18 18:41:00 andy753421 unfortunately there aren't really many of those online, meteorologists not being computer scientists and all
18 18:42:00 rthc hm, and it just crashed...
18 18:42:00 andy753421 i'll see if I can find some though, wikipedia is probably your best bet
18 18:42:00 andy753421 segfault?
18 18:42:00 rthc yep
18 18:42:00 andy753421 backtrace?
18 18:42:00 rthc i don't have a core dump
18 18:42:00 andy753421 or, can you reproduce it?
18 18:42:00 rthc we'll see
18 18:43:00 andy753421 i need to run everything though valgrind again sometime
18 18:43:00 rthc http://pastebin.com/m72c246ee for starters, i'll try to reporduce
18 18:44:00 andy753421 oh what the hell, that seems to be in the library
18 18:44:00 andy753421 or maybe it failed to load and I didn't check a NULL..
18 18:46:00 andy753421 i should also write a -9999 ebuild
18 18:52:00 andy753421 ok, fixed the site-changing bug
18 18:53:00 rthc nice
22 05:21:00 Morasique why is the lug server suddenly refusing my key?
22 17:02:00 tommost_ It's taking my key just fine.
22 17:07:00 rthc takes mine as well
23 04:29:00 Morasique it started working again a few hours later
26 01:23:00 tommost Damnit, Chuck is hilarious.
26 01:33:00 kleinjt is the next season out?
26 01:33:00 tommost No, I'm still on season 2.
26 01:33:00 tommost I'm on the Christmas hostage taking.
26 01:33:00 tommost 2x11
26 01:40:00 kleinjt ah, apparently no new episodes until \\\\
26 01:40:00 kleinjt er.. delete was the intent of \\\\
26 01:40:00 kleinjt I sleep now.
26 19:14:00 ZetaSyanthis does freeNAS (freeBSD base) handle linux-created software RAID arrays?
26 19:14:00 ZetaSyanthis well, someBSD base anyways
26 19:47:00 Morasique you've been messing with freenas for like a month...
28 20:00:00 Morasique cool, portage updates are automatic now, it doesn't tell you to do it separately from the rest of your updates
28 20:01:00 rthc hm, time for a sync
28 20:01:00 Morasique i have 267 updates for my desktop. i'm checking my laptop now, it's probably worse
28 20:01:00 Morasique amazingly, nothing was blocking a world upgrade. this is the first time in a long time that's happened
28 20:02:00 Morasique i vaguely recall some warning about the new X requiring a kernel module i probably don't have. i should investigate that before upgrading i suppose
28 20:02:00 tommost This package management system seems quite idyllic.
28 20:02:00 rthc oh, right, X
28 20:02:00 rthc afaik, fglrx doesn't work with it yet
28 20:02:00 rthc it takes magic to get the kernel + fglrx + X version all to be happy
28 20:03:00 Morasique tommost: you don't want to get into a discussion about upgrading, i'd be happy to discuss the merits of ubuntu distro upgrades
28 20:06:00 tommost They tend to work for me as long as I a) disable fglrx first and b) don't forget to do the dist-upgrade before my current distro expires.
28 20:07:00 tommost I'm thinking of switching to Debian for my server...
28 20:22:00 Morasique what xulrunner do you all have? it's making me upgrade mine, last time i unmasked xulrunner i couldn't do anything network related
28 20:26:00 Morasique "Conflict: 28 blocks (1 unsatisfied)"
28 20:26:00 Morasique so close. stupid synaptics driver
28 20:27:00 Morasique 359 updates. awesome
28 20:27:00 Morasique technically, 308 upgrades, 1 downgrade, 41 new, 3 in new slots, 6 reinstalls, and 15 uninstalls
28 20:27:00 Morasique it amazes me that portage can figure all that out
28 20:31:00 rthc portage is an engineering masterpiece
28 20:32:00 Morasique and yet for some reason it doesn't support package renaming. that's usually what a block is for me, the new version of a package switched categories so they made it block the old version
28 20:36:00 Morasique i'm installing qt for the first time on my desktop and i keep seeing "You have already accepted this license" go by. that's making me suspicious
29 12:51:00 ZetaSyanthis not sure if I mentioned it, but freenas just got ZFS in their latest RC
29 12:51:00 ZetaSyanthis http://www.freenas.org/
29 12:52:00 ZetaSyanthis kinda badass
29 12:54:00 Morasique you are very into freenas
29 12:55:00 ZetaSyanthis no, mostly zfs
29 19:03:00 Morasique the pacman xlock screensaver generates random maps; i'm a big fan of this one: http://mrozekma.com/pacman.png
31 16:07:00 rthc first
31 16:08:00 rthc uh, since when are the logs and the time on the server in EDT?
31 16:28:00 Morasique since andy753421 became sane?
31 16:28:00 rthc when did that happen?
31 16:28:00 Morasique er. nm, they're not in edt at all
31 16:29:00 rthc erm
31 16:30:00 Morasique they're at -8
31 16:30:00 rthc ... no
31 16:30:00 rthc they're at -4
31 16:30:00 rthc #rhlug : 07/31/09 20:30 <rthc> they're at -4
31 16:30:00 Morasique oh, i see. logview compensates, i forgot about that
31 16:30:00 Morasique logview is at -8
31 16:30:00 rthc Sat Aug 1 00:31:03 UTC 2009
31 16:30:00 Morasique yeah, i got it
31 16:30:00 rthc ah
31 16:30:00 Morasique thank you
31 16:30:00 rthc i pasted before you said that
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