01 11:47:00 aricofdacia Hey. I'm having a newly developed problem with Thunderbird. It will not send emails. Keeps saying it is not connecting to the SMTP server in the exchange. Checked my settings on the RHLUG site and only seems to have developed since I got home. Any help?
01 11:48:00 aricofdacia I can still receive but not send. I am running Ubuntu J J 9.04 X64
01 12:11:00 tommost What version of Thunderbird would that be?
01 12:12:00 tommost I have 2.0.0.21 and no problems.
01 12:12:00 tommost It's possible your ISP is blocking your access to external SMTP servers; some do so that spam zombies can't send e-mail.
01 12:23:00 aricofdacia i have the same version. so if it is my ISP, how do I get around it?
01 12:24:00 tommost VPNing into Rose would probably be the easiest way.
01 12:24:00 tommost Assuming you already have that set up.
01 12:24:00 tommost Otherwise you could do SSH port forwarding.
01 12:25:00 aricofdacia ok. thanks.
01 18:54:00 Morasique http://revver.com/video/116805/csi-spoof-for-linux/
02 17:10:00 andy753421 apparently the UPS doesn't turn on after the power comes back..
02 17:10:00 andy753421 seems like that would be a problem
02 17:11:00 Morasique :D
02 17:15:00 Morasique andy753421: can you start bitlbee? it doesn't start by default apparently
02 17:16:00 andy753421 alright, it does now
02 17:16:00 Morasique thanks
02 17:44:00 Morasique it took me way too long to find 'equery u'
02 23:36:00 andy753421 this look nifty: http://www.limofoundation.org/
03 21:22:00 Morasique i don't know if this is well known, but apparently you can do 'vim +n filename' to start on line n. that's cool
03 21:24:00 tommost Nifty.
04 12:57:00 Morasique ok, way cooler: 'vim +/pattern filename' will start on the first line that matches 'pattern'
04 12:57:00 Morasique emacs should steal that
04 12:59:00 chtr switch to vim.
04 13:02:00 Morasique i don't know if it's quite that useful of a feature
04 13:02:00 chtr i'd like to be able to type in 20 years, so i guess that's why i use vim
04 13:03:00 Morasique yes, yes
04 14:06:00 crr I can supply reasons why vi is better as well, if needed
04 17:12:00 Morasique http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SigWik
04 19:30:00 kleinjt Morasique: everyone cool is at robotics
04 19:31:00 Morasique disproof: i am not at robotics
04 19:32:00 kleinjt s/dif//
04 19:32:00 Morasique if anything that would make less sense
04 19:42:00 kleinjt s/less//
04 19:59:00 kleinjt .o urban bork
04 19:59:00 kleinjt blast
04 22:16:00 Morasique this is in the insert_bookmark script for uzbl: echo "$entry" >/dev/null #for some reason we need this.. don't ask me why
04 22:16:00 Morasique ...
04 23:14:00 Morasique i should probably not be an op anymore, since i don't think i'm technically in lug anymore
04 23:14:00 Morasique lug alumnus?
04 23:14:00 Morasique lug emeritus! i'm for that
05 08:03:00 crr Morasique: at least half of the people in this room already graduated
05 10:53:00 Morasique hmm. that's kind of depressing
05 21:44:00 dpick So I decided to give arch a try
05 21:44:00 dpick but I can't seem to get the keyboard and mouse to work with X
05 21:44:00 dpick anybody run into that before?
05 21:45:00 Morasique i zoned out at the first mention of arch
05 21:45:00 chtr is hal involved?
05 21:45:00 tommost Blazeix is the arch guy in LUG.
05 21:46:00 tommost Though he graduated.
05 21:46:00 dpick well I tried gentoo first, but I couldn't get X to work at all
05 21:46:00 Morasique T_T
05 21:46:00 Morasique default X conf?
05 21:46:00 dpick yeah
05 21:47:00 dpick he maybe I should just stick with ubuntu
05 21:47:00 Morasique gasps
05 21:47:00 Morasique chtr: do something!
05 21:47:00 chtr you could always upgrade to gentoo
05 21:47:00 Morasique you don't read very carefully, do you?
05 21:47:00 chtr Morasique: don't worry, i'm on it
05 21:48:00 Morasique "[01:46] < dpick> well I tried gentoo first, but I couldn't get X to work at all"
05 21:48:00 chtr dpick: when you tried gentoo, did you compile xorg-server with the hal USE flag?
05 21:48:00 tommost dpick: Try Debian. Once you get the CD burned it's easy.
05 21:49:00 dpick chtr: nope
05 21:49:00 chtr good call
05 21:49:00 Morasique tommost can lend you one in four or five days
05 21:49:00 Morasique is synaptic a separate install?
05 21:49:00 Morasique it's been too long
05 21:50:00 tommost I can give you one now if you don't require a functional one.
05 21:50:00 Morasique i have x11-drivers/synaptics installed; i don't know if that's required or not
05 21:50:00 dpick tommost: I usual like functional things
05 21:50:00 dpick usually
05 21:51:00 Morasique dpick: can you pastebin your xorg.conf?
05 21:52:00 dpick Morasique: the arch one?
05 21:52:00 Morasique sure? whichever one isn't working
05 21:52:00 Morasique i think i used the same one in ubuntu and gentoo
05 21:52:00 dpick hmm let me see if I can get ssh running on the box
05 21:53:00 Morasique you can do it through nc if you have it
05 21:53:00 Morasique probably not if you're missing ssh though
05 21:54:00 dpick yeah I don't have much, though you would think ssh would be in the base install :P
05 21:54:00 Morasique there isn't much in the base install
05 21:54:00 Morasique intentionally
05 22:05:00 dpick *sigh* at least on gentoo I had ssh, now when I try to connect it just says "Server unexpectedly closed network connection"
05 22:05:00 Morasique so it'd be safe to say you find gentoo superior to arch?
05 22:05:00 Morasique :)
05 22:06:00 dpick haha well I did in the first place
05 22:06:00 dpick I just gave up after a few days
05 22:06:00 Morasique Blazeix: SUCK ON THAT
05 22:06:00 Morasique dpick: scp?
05 22:06:00 dpick Morasique: let me give it a try
05 22:08:00 tommost scp uses ssh...
05 22:08:00 chtr rcp
05 22:09:00 dpick haha yeah figured that out
05 22:12:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, but it doesn't go through a whole login like the ssh client does, so it might not fail
05 22:13:00 dpick Morasique: it did
05 22:13:00 Morasique tommost: ignore him
05 22:17:00 dpick hmm could i post it from links?
05 22:18:00 Morasique possibly. at this point you could've manually typed every line onto irc
05 22:18:00 dpick yeah probably
05 22:18:00 Morasique what inputdevices are in it?
05 22:18:00 Morasique that's all that really matters
05 22:19:00 dpick Keyboard0 and Mouse0
05 22:19:00 dpick driver for keyboard is kbd
05 22:20:00 dpick driver for mouse is mouse, protocol is auto, device is /dev/input/mice
05 22:26:00 dpick eh I'll just deal with it tomorrow
05 22:32:00 Morasique i just realized from reading the logs that chtr mentioned ii over a year ago; i just rediscovered it when somebody mentioned it in #uzbl
05 22:33:00 chtr chtr is a precursor of all things
05 22:35:00 Morasique it's really handy for certain things; particularly one-way bots that just write information to irc
05 22:38:00 tommost So it's sort of like an anti-sic. Because sic is only useful for bots that do nothing but record information from IRC.
05 22:39:00 Morasique it'd be good for read-only bots too i suppose; it's just not very flexible when it comes to responding to users, you might as well just use a framework at that point
05 22:43:00 tommost Twisted... heh heh heh.
09 13:00:00 octavious has anyone messed with OpenVZ?
09 13:00:00 octavious it looks interesting, the more I look into it..
09 13:07:00 Morasique octavious: it looks cool, but i don't have a need for it
09 13:09:00 octavious Morasique: yeah, I am kind of in the same boat. I dont want to start using it just because I thought it was interesting (like the pain of trying lvms on my laptop!)
09 13:37:00 octavious hmm. everytime i look at Arch linux it looks more appealing, especially for my eeepc
09 13:45:00 chtr nonsense, just carry aroud three or four fast laptops in your backpack running distcc for when you need to compile something for the eee on the fly
09 13:47:00 octavious or maybe distcc via ssh tunnel ?
09 13:47:00 octavious that seems like a more reasonable solution :)
09 13:48:00 octavious you in texas yet?
09 18:01:00 Morasique i asked about this a few months ago and then forgot for a while, as i'm known to do. anybody opposed to group registering with freenode? it prevents (for example) the red hat linux users group from registering and evicting us if they decide they want #rhlug, and it lets us have group cloaks, which are always fun
09 18:09:00 crr are there any disadvantages?
09 18:13:00 chtr i thought we had tried registering....
09 18:14:00 Morasique chtr: not that i've ever heard, but maybe a long time ago. what happened?
09 18:14:00 Morasique crr: not that i know of. http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
09 18:14:00 chtr i thought someone tried and no one got back to them; a grep of the logs should prove me wrong
09 18:15:00 chtr but yeah, i'm not opposed obviously
09 18:15:00 crr sounds like a good idea to me
09 18:17:00 Morasique i just realized i never got my lug t-shirt
09 18:17:00 Morasique glares at tommost
09 18:25:00 tommost Nobody has ever gotten back to me about registering #rhrt. I've tried twice now.
09 18:26:00 chtr oh, maybe that's what i'm remembering
09 18:26:00 tommost I thought that andy had registered this channel, though, since he can set people to autoop.
09 18:30:00 Morasique tommost: there's a difference between registering the channel and registering the group
09 18:30:00 Morasique also, good job leaving
09 18:30:00 Morasique killer_robot: ^
09 20:59:00 Morasique 221.5.250.94 has been trying to break into my computer for 35 minutes
09 20:59:00 Morasique i'd appreciate if he/she/they would stop
09 22:04:00 Morasique oh, very cool. git add -i lets you commit certain parts of a file while leaving other parts uncommitted
10 09:09:00 tommost_lug I've wished svn let you do that for a long time.
10 17:32:00 andy753421 i gave a key for the lug server to dr. mellor
10 17:32:00 andy753421 someone who's on campus this summer should pick that up
10 17:53:00 Morasique tommost_lug: it never even occurred to me before, and now i don't understand why every vcs doesn't have it
11 13:14:00 Morasique i recommend denyhosts ( http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/ ) if your machine is ssh-able from the internet. i installed it a few days ago; it's adding three or four new IPs every day
11 15:01:00 andy753421 so how do you folks synchronize home directories across multiple computers?
11 15:03:00 Morasique i think version control is popular
11 15:03:00 Morasique i just don't; the few files i care about (like .zshrc) are different on each machine based on what i use it for
11 15:04:00 andy753421 my home directory is fairly large, so version control seems silly
11 15:09:00 kleinjt_ matlab's object oriented programming is easy and fun
11 15:13:00 kleinjt_ I bet it would be great for version control software
11 15:13:00 andy753421 kleinjt_: what have they done to you?
11 16:16:00 Morasique it's the matlab virus. i've seen this before
11 16:17:00 Morasique it'd be fairly clever for a company to release a virus that sends out irc messages praising its products
11 16:33:00 ZetaSyanthis does anyone know of a good nas distro that has an svn server?
11 16:34:00 ZetaSyanthis the last part there is the kicker
11 16:34:00 ZetaSyanthis else I'd be all over freenas
11 16:38:00 Morasique what os a mas dostrp
11 16:38:00 Morasique wow. i fail
11 16:38:00 Morasique i leave it to you good people to translate that to english
11 16:46:00 ZetaSyanthis Morasique: Thanks, povilus.
11 16:47:00 Morasique what is a nas distro?
11 16:47:00 ZetaSyanthis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeNAS
11 16:48:00 ZetaSyanthis basically, I wish that had svn
11 16:48:00 Morasique can't you just set up a normal server to do that
11 16:48:00 Morasique ?
11 16:48:00 ZetaSyanthis yeah, that may be what ends up happening
11 16:49:00 ZetaSyanthis but freenas is set up to work of a flash drive already
11 16:49:00 ZetaSyanthis + has an awesome web interface
11 16:49:00 ZetaSyanthis the gui is based off m0n0wall
11 16:50:00 Morasique interesting name
11 20:46:00 Morasique git is telling me it can't do something i personally witnessed it do yesterday
11 20:47:00 Morasique i hate this program
11 20:54:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't suppose anyone knows how stable the zfs support is for freenas?
11 20:55:00 ZetaSyanthis yeah, I should be in #rhbsd, but stfu
12 19:34:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't suppose anyone would know how to install svn on freenas?
12 19:35:00 ZetaSyanthis It sort of pains me, but I may end up running freenas in a virtual machine at this rate
12 19:37:00 ZetaSyanthis the web interface is simply too nice to waste
12 19:38:00 Morasique you're really hooked on this web interface
12 19:38:00 Morasique put ssh on a server. done
12 19:39:00 ZetaSyanthis well, it obscures the nasty lowlevel drive manipulation stuffs
12 19:39:00 ZetaSyanthis 0.7 supports ZFS too
12 19:39:00 Morasique you should switch to mac os; it does the same
12 19:40:00 ZetaSyanthis (0.7 is currently the nightly build, not fully out yet)
12 19:40:00 chtr i advise against using ZFS
12 19:40:00 ZetaSyanthis chtr: any particular reason? I was planning on straight raid 5 anyways
12 19:40:00 ZetaSyanthis mostly just curious
12 19:40:00 chtr if you ever decide to migrate to linux, you're going to be in a world of pain
12 19:40:00 chtr believe me, i did the migration last summer
12 19:41:00 ZetaSyanthis well, this is the server box I'm building
12 19:41:00 ZetaSyanthis I intend for it to not do much besides sit there and be happy
12 19:42:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm a bit sad I have to use that crazy awesome mobo to get enough ports though
12 19:43:00 ZetaSyanthis I basically decided against zfs since I'll never be upgrading the number of drives in that system, as the case can't fit any more even if I wanted.
12 19:51:00 ZetaSyanthis does anyone have a recommendation for a linux-based NAS distro?
12 19:54:00 chtr gentoo
12 19:55:00 chtr i mean, really, what do you want out of it?
12 19:55:00 chtr what defines a ``NAS distro''?
12 19:57:00 ZetaSyanthis I was hoping for something with a nice web interface like freeNAS, but I think I'm going to have to give up on that
12 19:57:00 ZetaSyanthis And I never seem to do well with gentoo
12 19:57:00 ZetaSyanthis that always ends in frustration
12 19:58:00 ZetaSyanthis The main thing is that I want to run it off a flash drive, which complicates matters
12 19:59:00 ZetaSyanthis so, flash drive for boot, ram drive for operation, 4 disk raid 5, and drivers that support this:
12 19:59:00 ZetaSyanthis http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500030
12 20:00:00 ZetaSyanthis I'd just toss arch at the thing, but I don't know how to configure it to boot into a ramdisk and not demolish the flash
12 23:43:00 Morasique http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m51315514
12 23:43:00 Morasique i do so love this language
12 23:43:00 Morasique error: the variable in this abstract class that *can't ever be instantiated* may not have been initialized
12 23:44:00 Morasique thank you java. glad you caught that
14 15:30:00 Morasique forget emacs-pinky, i think i'm getting awesome-thumb. it's annoying trying to get to the one super key on my laptop's keyboard
14 15:31:00 tommost_lug Yeah, same here.
14 15:51:00 andy753421 what does awesome use super for?
14 15:51:00 andy753421 (also, that sentence sounded really lame)
14 15:56:00 Morasique andy753421: pretty much everything
14 15:57:00 andy753421 remap it to alt?
14 15:57:00 Morasique i use alt for other things though
14 15:57:00 andy753421 which do you use more?
14 15:58:00 Morasique all applications use alt, if i rebind awesome to use alt all the sudden alt+half the letters do window manager stuff and don't work in applications anymore
14 15:58:00 andy753421 meh, i use alt for wm stuff and don't have a problem
14 15:58:00 Morasique i could manually switch alt and win in xmodmap i suppose
14 16:01:00 chtr i only use alt in my wm...
14 16:29:00 tommost_lug I use alt pretty frequently. To switch tabs in gnome-terminal, channels in irssi, etc.
14 16:30:00 Morasique i don't really pay attention to when i use it, i just assumed probably i do
14 16:30:00 tommost_lug Also tabs in Firefox sometimes.
14 16:31:00 tommost_lug And Alt-P to activate zsh's completion for partially typed commands.
15 15:06:00 Morasique this looks interesting: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4426006481.html
15 15:07:00 Morasique not all the compiz stuff, but just the multitouch itself
15 15:08:00 chtr dbus and compiz, sounds like something i'd love
15 15:09:00 chtr that is cool though
15 15:09:00 chtr are there any tablets with multitouch yet?
15 16:42:00 Morasique somebody should figure out a way that i can hit a hotkey and have my two screens switch. i just want all the tags on screen 1 to go to screen 2 and vice versa
15 16:42:00 Morasique i tried literally doing that and bad things happened
16 10:49:00 Morasique freenode. his nick is parajulik
16 10:49:00 Morasique shit
16 21:41:00 Morasique this is strangely entertainig: while [ 1 ]; do urxvt -bg $(($RANDOM % 16)); sleep 1; done
16 21:42:00 Morasique s/ig/ing/
16 21:44:00 andy753421 s/while.*;/while true/
16 21:44:00 andy753421 er, [^;]*
16 21:45:00 andy753421 s/while \zs.\{-}/true/
16 21:45:00 andy753421 s/while \zs.\{-};/true/
16 21:45:00 andy753421 s/while \zs.\{-}\ze;/true/
16 21:45:00 andy753421 there we go
16 21:48:00 Morasique i no longer have any idea what you said, but i'll go with it
16 21:48:00 Morasique i thought i tried while true, but maybe not
16 21:49:00 Morasique oh yeah, that does work. no idea what i typed the first time
16 21:49:00 andy753421 in other news, can you capture output from a background process?
16 21:50:00 Morasique you mean besides directing it into a file?
16 21:50:00 Morasique (command > /tmp/log) & captures it
16 21:50:00 andy753421 yea, i'm thinking like `foo=$(sleep 10 && echo hello) &'
16 21:51:00 Morasique i don't think so. it would have to block so it could set foo or you'd have a race condition trying to access $foo later
16 21:53:00 andy753421 you would have to call wait
16 21:54:00 Morasique cool, i didn't know about that. i don't think there's a thing for it though. you could fake it with fn=`mktemp`; command > $fn &; ...; wait num; foo="`cat $fn`"
16 21:55:00 andy753421 i'm wondering if I can do it with exec
16 22:01:00 andy753421 this script is going to be awesome
16 22:11:00 andy753421 I don't think shell is the right language for this :(
16 22:40:00 Morasique this is a cool example of what zsh prompts can do, even if it's a bit involved: http://aperiodic.net/phil/prompt/
17 07:01:00 andy753421 tommost_lug: you should hack {{guide:box}} on the wiki so that when you have a title and body, the body shows up with an expand/collapse dealy so it doesn't take as much space by default
17 07:29:00 andy753421 Boo wikimedia and it's strange unknown methods of caching ages
17 07:29:00 andy753421 *pages
19 10:34:00 Morasique i'm not sure who runs the website these days, but we might want to switch the web client at http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/client/ to an embedded version of this one: http://webchat.freenode.net/
19 19:23:00 Morasique this happens when i run lc on the lug server: /usr/lib/plan9/bin/9: line 17: exec: mc: not found
19 19:23:00 Morasique oh, my bad, my lc=wc -l alias was missing. i have no idea what that error is talking about though
23 16:50:00 Zeta_Mobile Has anyone used portable linux before?
23 16:50:00 Zeta_Mobile looking specifically at ubuntu, but curious in general
23 18:52:00 tommost Has anyone here every worked with Linux on tablet PCs?
23 18:53:00 ZetaSyanthis baty has ubuntu on his, I tihnk
23 18:53:00 ZetaSyanthis or did
23 18:53:00 ZetaSyanthis *think
23 18:53:00 tommost Did he have any trouble with it?
23 18:53:00 ZetaSyanthis wasn't bad from what I remember
23 18:53:00 tommost Hmmm...
23 18:53:00 ZetaSyanthis this was two years ago, so I don't really recall details
23 18:54:00 tommost I'm trying to get the digitizer and touch screen working on a Motion Computing LE1600. It's hell.
23 18:55:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, not having much luck with persistent linux on a flashdrive yet
23 18:55:00 ZetaSyanthis ubuntu.com's guide failed, as did portablelinux
23 18:55:00 tommost Did you try it with the utility bundled with the latest Ubuntu?
23 18:55:00 ZetaSyanthis trying pendrivelinux now, but it requested the 32-bit iso, so I'm not sure how it's going to react
23 18:56:00 ZetaSyanthis is that a persistent install?
23 18:56:00 ZetaSyanthis or just a livecd style one
23 18:56:00 tommost Uh... I don't know.
23 18:56:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm trying to get a nice persistent install that runs in a ramdisk on boot and then saves at shutdown
23 18:56:00 ZetaSyanthis So far I've been lied to repeatedly about it working
23 18:57:00 tommost Gentoo is pretty easy to get working like that, I believe.
23 18:57:00 tommost Well, if you know Gentoo.
23 18:57:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
23 18:57:00 ZetaSyanthis not so much
23 18:58:00 ZetaSyanthis I tried 3 times and failed in a different way each time
23 18:58:00 ZetaSyanthis since this is going to be my nas, it needs to be a bit more stable
23 18:58:00 ZetaSyanthis (and I need to be able to service it)
23 18:59:00 tommost chtr, Andy and I had a hell of a time getting Debian to install to a flash disk, much less do what you're asking for.
23 18:59:00 tommost The Debian installer's entirely centered around a hard disk install.
23 18:59:00 tommost So I don't recommend that.
23 19:00:00 ZetaSyanthis yeah...
23 19:00:00 ZetaSyanthis I started on debian and then moved to ubuntu
23 19:00:00 ZetaSyanthis I currently run arch on my laptop, but tbh it doesn't really matter what distro, as I basically browse and run fluxbox on it
23 19:28:00 chtr i run gentoo on my file server, it works fine
23 19:28:00 chtr there's nothing at all unstable about it if you don't go blindly emerging world every night
23 19:29:00 Zeta_Mobile well, it's more of a "don't want to risk all my data with something I don't know well" thing
23 19:29:00 Zeta_Mobile either way, I found a way to do it
23 19:29:00 tommost How so?
23 19:29:00 Zeta_Mobile Assuming it doesn't die halfway through somehow
23 19:29:00 Zeta_Mobile usb-creator
23 19:30:00 chtr md won't go nuts and mess with your data just because it sees that it's running on gentoo
23 19:30:00 Zeta_Mobile usb-creator is now on ubuntu live cds, which is sweet
23 19:30:00 Zeta_Mobile I was trying some other tools because I didn't know about it
23 19:30:00 tommost Ah, yeah, that's what I was talking about, I think.
23 19:30:00 tommost In System Tools, IIRC?
23 19:31:00 Zeta_Mobile system -> administration
23 19:31:00 tommost T_T I've been using Windows all day...
23 19:31:00 Zeta_Mobile and it is a persistent install
23 19:32:00 Zeta_Mobile tommost: how unfortunate
23 20:00:00 Zeta_Mobile hmm, the usb-creator one drops me to initramfs prompt
23 20:00:00 Zeta_Mobile that's not quite what I was going for
23 20:02:00 chtr shudders at the mention of initramfs
23 20:02:00 Zeta_Mobile yeah, like I said... didn't want that so much
23 20:21:00 Zeta_Mobile by the time I figure this out, I'll have burned through every write cycle this card has anyways
24 05:36:00 aricofdacia Reminder please, where do I find the default program configuration file in Ubuntu 9.04 X64?
24 05:38:00 tommost_lug aricofdacia: Not sure what you mean by that.
26 17:34:00 tommost I don't understand it; every time I boot my desktop the up arrow on my keyboard is mapped to taking a screenshot.
26 17:34:00 Morasique you're bad at computers?
26 17:35:00 Morasique it's ok, you can hang out with my parents and some civils and talk about how confusing they are
26 17:41:00 tommost Well, this channel is helpful.
26 17:42:00 tommost xmodmap says:
26 17:42:00 tommost keycode 111 = Up NoSymbol Up NoSymbol Up
26 17:44:00 tommost I'd think someone would be bad mouthing Ubuntu or Gnome about now.
26 17:44:00 tommost I guess I underestimated this channel.
26 17:46:00 Morasique does that have anything to do with ubuntu or gnome?
26 17:48:00 tommost I have no idea. I'd merely expect you guys to leap to that conclusion.
26 17:48:00 tommost I suspect Gnome myself.
27 17:02:00 ZetaSyanthis anyone familiar with mdadm?
27 17:02:00 ZetaSyanthis I have a 4 disk raid 5 array and it doesn't want to re-assemble it with all 4 drives
27 17:02:00 ZetaSyanthis it recognizes it should have a fourth, but just doesn't use it
27 17:07:00 ZetaSyanthis nm, reboot fixed it somehow
27 17:45:00 ZetaSyanthis note to self, use midnight commander more often
27 17:46:00 ZetaSyanthis it's a) console based, b) has a progress bar, c) will let you set it such that it won't replace files of the same size but will recurse fully during a directory copy
27 17:47:00 ZetaSyanthis nautilus's copy crashed on me half-way through my 850GB dir and apparently copied totally random files/folder
27 17:47:00 ZetaSyanthis *folders
27 17:47:00 ZetaSyanthis mc++
27 17:47:00 chtr uh, if you're copying that much data, i would seriously consider using rsync
27 17:48:00 ZetaSyanthis is rsynch not for copying between machines?
27 17:48:00 ZetaSyanthis because the other machine only has a windows network share atm
27 17:48:00 ZetaSyanthis it's baty's unraid box
27 17:49:00 ZetaSyanthis this is a one-time copy, in any case
27 17:49:00 ZetaSyanthis my stuff back off his raid, onto mine
27 17:50:00 chtr it works on the same machine too
27 17:50:00 ZetaSyanthis what benefit would it have for me atm?
27 17:50:00 chtr if you kill it, you can resume in a sane way
27 17:51:00 ZetaSyanthis Same with mc... it goes through and checks filesizes and other file attributes and ignores ones that are the same during the copy
27 17:51:00 chtr i'd trust rsync more than mc. but that's just me.
27 17:52:00 chtr especially since it verifies content, not just filesize and attributes
27 17:52:00 ZetaSyanthis well, my data will be staying on baty's server for a while just in case
27 17:52:00 ZetaSyanthis interesting
27 17:53:00 ZetaSyanthis any chance you know what the command would be to transfer without overwriting, or is that default in rsync
27 17:54:00 chtr that's the default
27 17:54:00 chtr you might want to peruse the man page regardless
27 17:54:00 chtr it does funkiness depending on trailing slashes which is really annoying
27 17:55:00 ZetaSyanthis um, some detail there would be nice
27 17:55:00 chtr hm?
27 17:57:00 ZetaSyanthis funkiness depending on trailing slashes
27 17:57:00 ZetaSyanthis I have no idea what you mean
27 17:57:00 chtr it's in the man page, i don't remember the details
27 17:58:00 ZetaSyanthis rgr
27 18:01:00 ZetaSyanthis chtr++;
27 18:01:00 ZetaSyanthis thank you for reminding me of the awesomeness of rsync
27 18:01:00 chtr yep, it's rather nice. glad i could help
27 18:01:00 ZetaSyanthis now if baty's server would transfer faster than 6.3MB/s
27 18:02:00 ZetaSyanthis that would really be nice
27 18:02:00 ZetaSyanthis software raid + pci sata card + athlon 2000+ + pci ethernet card
27 18:02:00 ZetaSyanthis = fail
27 18:02:00 chtr 100Mb/s ethernet?
27 18:02:00 ZetaSyanthis no, it's gigabit
27 18:03:00 ZetaSyanthis the pci bus is on fire
27 18:03:00 ZetaSyanthis that's the problem
27 18:03:00 ZetaSyanthis all the drives are on the same pci sata controller card
27 18:03:00 chtr pci has more than enough bandwidth
27 18:03:00 ZetaSyanthis and the gigabit card is also on the pci bus
27 18:04:00 ZetaSyanthis haha, my ass it does
27 18:04:00 chtr it can push well over 100MB/s
27 18:05:00 ZetaSyanthis well, it certainly isn't the gigabit or hard drives
27 18:05:00 ZetaSyanthis and I don't think unraid stresses the cpu that badly, even an old one like that
27 18:05:00 ZetaSyanthis 133MB/s is max pci bandwidth... hmm, interesting
27 18:06:00 ZetaSyanthis wonder what's so slow about this
27 18:06:00 chtr well, it's a shared bus
27 18:06:00 chtr but still, it should be going a bit faster.
27 18:06:00 ZetaSyanthis I bet it's the sata controller chip being shitty
27 18:06:00 ZetaSyanthis that's about the only thing it could be
27 18:07:00 ZetaSyanthis I'd not be surprised either
27 21:00:00 andy753421 spammers on the wiki?!
27 21:00:00 andy753421 recaptcha--
27 21:00:00 chtr hey, they're just trying to help you buy singulair
27 21:01:00 chtr they've pretty much got all geographic locales covered, from thessaloniki to chemnitz to dayton
27 21:28:00 chtr interesting graphs: http://www.osnews.com/story/21720/Top_500_List_Dominated_by_x86_Linux
27 21:40:00 andy753421 better graphs, http://www.top500.org/overtime/list/33/procfam
28 16:59:00 tommost Has anyone else been getting weird stuff from Exchange?
28 17:00:00 tommost I got some error message when I tried to connect just now.
28 17:07:00 phenom_ thunderbird says "error 12263"
28 17:10:00 phenom_ exchange server keeps being unresponsive
28 17:25:00 tommost Yeah, that's what I got.
28 17:26:00 phenom_ don't know I have been getting it the last 4 or 5 hours
28 18:33:00 ZetaSyanthis anyone know what would cause an input/output error on samba?
28 18:33:00 ZetaSyanthis I can mount the share and see all the files, but when I try to edit / create / remove, I get that
28 18:33:00 ZetaSyanthis it's supposedly writable
28 18:36:00 ZetaSyanthis http://pastebin.com/m3698b096 is from smb.conf
28 18:37:00 ZetaSyanthis it's chmodded 777 for testing at the moment, so not sure what the problem is
28 18:37:00 ZetaSyanthis won't be permanently, ofc
28 18:45:00 ZetaSyanthis been restarting samba over and over + rebooting both machines... any ideas?
28 19:09:00 andy753421 AWeather 0.1! http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/AWeather#Source_Code
28 22:13:00 ZetaSyanthis any ideas why I can write to a share on linux but not windows?
28 22:14:00 tommost Have you changed the settings on the share after previously accessing it with Windows?
28 22:15:00 tommost Windows does weird caching on credentials and stuff.
28 22:15:00 tommost Try restarting or using the "net use" command.
28 22:17:00 tommost Oh, er, I guess you've been doing that.
28 22:18:00 tommost Perhaps try "net use" nonetheless?
28 22:50:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, apparently it's an ubuntu issue
28 22:50:00 ZetaSyanthis something about input/output errors
28 22:50:00 ZetaSyanthis either way, sleep is now
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