#rhlug for 2009-05

30 20:32:00 tommost Yeah, that would be impossible if you object to sending passwords in the clear.

30 22:29:00 andy753421 we should use the mailing list for more than just meeting announcements

30 22:31:00 andy753421 I.e it'd be nice to have somewhat more structured/relevant conversations

30 22:31:00 andy753421 as such, i'm going to start doing so

30 22:41:00 andy753421 hehe, you are all getting spammed

30 23:18:00 andy753421 eh, done spamming, for now

30 23:26:00 andy753421 grr. mailman is mangling my GPG signatures

01 04:04:00 Morasique andy753421: are you the list admin?

01 04:05:00 andy753421 no, that's fuqua

01 04:05:00 andy753421 why?

01 04:06:00 Morasique i don't know my password so i can't read the archives, i'm hoping the admin can reset it

01 04:06:00 andy753421 yea, i don't know what my password is either..

01 04:06:00 Morasique i'm not even sure i signed myself up, i think i was enrolled when i started attending meetings

01 04:06:00 andy753421 same here

01 04:09:00 andy753421 you can have it send you a password reminder

01 04:09:00 Morasique oh, cool. it also clearly says who the admin is, i should read

01 04:13:00 Morasique "No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the archives are currently empty. You can get more information about this list."

01 04:13:00 Morasique i disagree

01 04:13:00 Morasique archiving must be disabled

01 04:15:00 chtr email IAIT?

01 04:15:00 andy753421 fuqua might be able to change that himself

01 04:17:00 Morasique yeah, i'm all for blaming Blazeix until he can prove it's IAIT's fault

01 04:54:00 andy753421 hey, i'm re-enabling Rose-Hulman login to the lug server, let me know if you have any problems logging in (lag and stuff like a little while back)

01 05:34:00 Morasique anybody know how in C to tell if a terminal supports color codes? assuming it's possible

01 05:34:00 Morasique generally i just check if i'm on windows or not, but i figure in C there might be a real way

01 05:37:00 andy753421 terminfo

01 05:40:00 andy753421 and termcap

01 05:42:00 andy753421 it looks like you want `man has_colors'

01 05:43:00 Morasique does windows come with curses?

01 05:43:00 andy753421 why are you using windows?

01 05:44:00 Morasique it's for the crypto assignment

01 05:44:00 Morasique i enjoy outputting color, but matt's computer isn't going to support it

01 05:44:00 andy753421 more specifically, why are you using color output in windows ;)

01 05:44:00 Morasique i'm not, i'm trying to figure out how to have it not output escape codes to matt's terminal

01 05:44:00 andy753421 does cmd.exe or whatever even support color?

01 05:44:00 Morasique it does, but it's really bad, and not the same way as unix does

01 05:46:00 andy753421 does windows set $TERM?

01 05:46:00 andy753421 you could do something like if (getenv("TERM")) color=1; else color=0;

01 05:47:00 Morasique hmm. that works

01 05:47:00 Morasique thanks

01 05:50:00 andy753421 wait, this crypto stuff isn't due today is it?

01 05:51:00 Morasique no, next week

01 05:51:00 andy753421 ok, good

01 05:51:00 andy753421 whoo, my meeting for today just got canceled..

01 05:51:00 andy753421 now only if boutell will crypto...

01 05:52:00 Morasique i thought there was no crypto today

01 05:52:00 andy753421 wait a minute, serisouly?

01 05:53:00 Morasique yeah: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/cs/csse479/200930/Schedule/Schedule.htm

01 05:53:00 andy753421 the schedule confirms that you're not making stuff up to screw with me..

01 05:53:00 Morasique i'm excited, i have no class today

01 05:53:00 andy753421 he must have mentioned that in the first 5 minutes of class that i'm never at

01 05:53:00 Morasique i actually thought class was canceled for the next couple weeks for project work, but apparently not

01 05:53:00 Morasique i was very close to having no class for two weeks

01 06:57:00 Morasique turns out when var is unsigned, while(var >= 0) is a poor move

01 06:57:00 Morasique i stared at that for way too long

01 09:39:00 Morasique andy753421: i just had the lug server lag problem

01 09:57:00 Hudsonmc hello guys. I was just wondering if anybody else had any problems getting the Nvidia drivers working in ubuntu 9.04?

01 09:58:00 Morasique i don't think anybody in here uses ubuntu on a laptop with an nvidia card

01 10:04:00 Hudsonmc mmk, thanks

01 10:43:00 rhkratos Hudsonmc, what issues are you having?

01 10:51:00 Hudsonmc the unrestricted drivers aren't showing up in the hardware drivers utility

01 10:51:00 Hudsonmc and the nvidia drivers from their website

01 10:52:00 Hudsonmc don't seem to work either

01 10:53:00 Hudsonmc I'm sorry

01 10:53:00 Hudsonmc I don't have the specific errors in front of me

01 10:55:00 Hudsonmc and once I do get them installed

01 10:55:00 Hudsonmc ubuntu refuses to boot completely

01 10:55:00 Hudsonmc and just drops into a shell

01 10:58:00 rhkratos awesome

01 10:59:00 tommost Perhaps you should look at the gdm logs.

01 11:00:00 tommost That's /var/log/gdm/:0.log for me.

01 11:01:00 tommost I see the X server startup messages in mine.

01 11:01:00 rhkratos did the driver from the nvidia website throw any errors?

01 11:24:00 Morasique chtr: did you end up buying a nokia?

01 11:27:00 chtr Morasique: i've managed to hold off for now...

01 11:27:00 Morasique there has to be a way to trick sga into buying them for everyone

01 11:29:00 Morasique the presentations page is hurting. what presentations did we have last month?

01 11:31:00 Morasique what's that nokia thing called?

01 11:31:00 chtr n810

01 11:32:00 Morasique ah. there's a nokia 810, but it's a monochrome car phone made six years ago, that sounded wrong

01 11:34:00 Morasique ok. if anybody remembers the presentations between march 26th and april 23rd feel free to update the wiki, i didn't think we went three weeks without any but i don't remember what they were

01 11:58:00 Morasique units doesn't support temperature. wtf

01 11:58:00 chtr let me know if units actually works

01 11:59:00 chtr i'm not convinced, neither is andy753421, iirc

01 11:59:00 Morasique "works"?

01 11:59:00 Morasique it converts stuff, what else is it supposed to do?

01 11:59:00 chtr i don't think it does.

01 11:59:00 Morasique just apparently the database is missing temperatures for some reason

01 11:59:00 Morasique what makes you think that?

01 12:00:00 chtr oh, i was thinking of p9p units

01 12:00:00 Morasique if that means plan9's units, that's what i'm using

01 12:00:00 chtr i thought for sure andy753421 was trying something and couldn't get it to work

01 12:01:00 chtr also, look at the BUGS part of the man page

01 12:01:00 chtr it only supports multiplicative conversions

01 12:02:00 Morasique i don't have the plan9 man pages, but yeah, i'd forgotten about that, that makes sense

01 12:02:00 chtr oh, right, gentoo's ebuild...

01 12:02:00 Morasique yeah

01 12:02:00 chtr just go through and bunzip2 all the manpages in $PLAN9/man

01 12:02:00 chtr speaking of which...

01 12:02:00 Morasique in the same directory?

01 12:03:00 chtr andy753421: can you bunzip2 all the p9p manpages?

01 12:03:00 chtr Morasique: yeah, then you view them using 9 man <whatever>

01 12:03:00 chtr andy753421: on the lug server, that is

01 12:03:00 Morasique http://rhlug.pastebin.com/d264ccdb

01 12:03:00 Morasique beautiful

01 12:04:00 chtr after bunzip2'ing?

01 12:04:00 Morasique yes

01 12:07:00 chtr try running: nroff -man $PLAN9/man/man1/units.1

01 12:07:00 Morasique oh, wait. you mean all the manpages in $PLAN9/man recursively

01 12:08:00 chtr yes.

01 12:08:00 Morasique that makes more sense

01 12:08:00 Morasique yeah, man was trying to format the bz2 archive

01 12:08:00 Morasique it works now

01 12:08:00 chtr glares at gentoo

01 12:11:00 Morasique why doesn't the ebuild do that?

01 12:11:00 Morasique it's one line

01 12:11:00 chtr no, the problem is that the there's something in emerge that bzip2's all the man pages

01 12:12:00 chtr or something, there was a bug-report filed

01 13:08:00 andy753421 wonders if setting PORTAGE_COMPRESS="" will fix the bzip2 bugs

01 13:18:00 andy753421 hey, that seemed to work

01 13:19:00 andy753421 well, maybe

01 13:44:00 andy753421 ok, so that wasn't gentoo's fault, plan9port is just broken at the moment

01 13:46:00 chtr ``at the moment'' as in over a year ago (the most recent ebuild), or like the latest cvs/tarball/hg version?

01 13:50:00 andy753421 the latest tarball

01 13:50:00 chtr ok, what's broken?

01 13:51:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/RyWqFU51.html

01 13:51:00 chtr hm...

01 13:56:00 chtr you should install encfs when you get a chance

01 13:57:00 andy753421 lame, it requires boost

01 13:57:00 chtr hehe

01 13:57:00 andy753421 oh well, at least we've got 8 processors, it should be installed in an hour or so..

01 13:57:00 Morasique lug server--

01 13:57:00 andy753421 (assuming it doesn't run out of ram first)

01 13:57:00 chtr C++--

01 13:57:00 Morasique in this case i'm --ing the ldap timeout

01 13:57:00 andy753421 see, i knew there was a good reason to have a huge swap space!

01 13:58:00 Morasique which just happened again

01 13:58:00 chtr really? i've had no issues

01 13:58:00 Morasique i've had it twice today, although i probably connect more often than you do

01 13:58:00 chtr oh god the cores are pegged

01 13:58:00 andy753421 have you noticed any pattern to it? i.e. does it do it more often when you haven't connected in a while?

01 13:58:00 Morasique hmm. not much, actually

01 13:59:00 Morasique andy753421: no

01 13:59:00 Morasique wow, what just happened? emerge?

01 13:59:00 Morasique all the cores just flipped out simultaneously

01 13:59:00 chtr i think boost happened

01 14:01:00 andy753421 well i'm going to eat, i'll look at it more later

01 14:02:00 andy753421 (parents are here for the weekend)

01 14:02:00 chtr alright, no rush

01 16:07:00 andy753421 auchter: encfs failed to emerge

01 16:10:00 chtr ah, that's too bad

01 16:36:00 aricofdacia I need some ubuntu help.

01 16:38:00 Morasique what's the issue?

01 16:39:00 aricofdacia I'm running Jaunty Jackalope 64-bit and having only two major problems. I can boot Maple but it won't create the kernel for maple to work. I know it is a Java problem, but I don't know how to fix it. The other issue is my bookmarks opening in VLC rather than Nautilus.

01 16:40:00 Morasique where are these bookmarks?

01 16:40:00 aricofdacia Under the Places tab in the Menu

01 16:40:00 Morasique in nautilus?

01 16:40:00 Morasique ah

01 16:42:00 aricofdacia If I open Nautilus, they are listed under the bookmarks and once i open nautilus through another method, i can use the bookmarks but not without independently starting nautilus

01 16:44:00 Morasique there's an open launchpad bug about it, apparently if you right-click a folder in nautilus, pick "open with", and choose the file browser it changes the association back

01 16:47:00 aricofdacia It still defaults to VLC

01 16:48:00 Morasique if you go to a folder's properties in nautilus and check the "open with" tab what program is selected?

01 16:49:00 aricofdacia That tab is not available

01 16:49:00 Morasique hmm. apparently i should upgrade

01 16:51:00 Morasique you can try checking ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list

01 16:55:00 aricofdacia remind me, how do i open that directory.

01 16:56:00 aricofdacia nevermind

01 16:57:00 aricofdacia what do i need to modify?

01 16:57:00 aricofdacia inode/directory=vlc.desktop;wine.desktop;nautilus-folder-handler.desktop;nautilus.desktop;nautilus-browser.desktop;

01 16:58:00 Morasique take out vlc.desktop and probably wine.desktop too

01 16:58:00 aricofdacia ok that works now. thank you.

01 16:59:00 aricofdacia How about the Maple 12 Java problem?

01 16:59:00 Morasique i'm not sure what you meant by that

01 17:00:00 aricofdacia Well It will load up and show everything, but it won't compute anything and the bars at the bottom related to time and memory have dashes in them indicating a non-reading

01 17:00:00 aricofdacia and I had to make a java upgrade to one section just to get it to do that.

01 17:01:00 Morasique no, i've never seen that. you could try running it from a terminal to see if you get any errors

01 17:01:00 aricofdacia i've heard that term, but I haven't had to run anything through terminal yet. Where do i start with that.

01 17:02:00 Morasique applications -> accessories -> terminal

01 17:02:00 aricofdacia right. and do i just tell it to boot xmaple like usual?

01 17:03:00 Morasique if maple's on your path you can just type xmaple, but it probably isn't

01 17:03:00 Morasique do you know what folder it's in?

01 17:03:00 aricofdacia starting it now

01 17:04:00 aricofdacia for whatever reason it now computes stuff. will i just need to plan on booting maple in terminal for the time being?

01 17:04:00 Morasique how were you running it before?

01 17:05:00 aricofdacia application ->education -> Maple 12

01 17:05:00 Morasique if you go to system -> preferences -> main menu you can see what command it's running

01 17:06:00 aricofdacia i am checking it make sure it is running properly.

01 17:07:00 aricofdacia it works now. not sure why, but it does. thank you for all your help.

01 17:08:00 kleinjt Morasique++

01 17:08:00 Morasique clearly this proved once and for all the superiority of terminals over DEs

01 17:09:00 kleinjt I think he just said it was working to avoid using the terminal

01 17:09:00 chtr 9.04 just completely failed at graphics

01 17:10:00 Morasique i should reinstall ubuntu, i still have hardy

01 18:21:00 andy753421 so openldap 2.4 is supposed to have fixes for active directory, which seems to be not responding, so i'm going to try upgrading and hope it works

01 18:24:00 andy753421 * As major version upgrades can corrupt your database,

01 18:24:00 andy753421 * you need to dump your database and re-create it afterwards.

01 18:24:00 andy753421 Lame.

01 18:24:00 andy753421 lug.rose-hulman.edu is going down for a bit

01 19:06:00 andy753421 ok, the server should be up and running 2.4, hopefully this will fix some of the problems

02 09:53:00 tommost If we're going to be using the mailing list for actual discussions I suggest that the settings be changed to add the [LUG] prefix to message subjects and the reply-to field be set to the mailing list itself.

02 09:56:00 Morasique i just use reply-to-all

02 09:56:00 Morasique we could have Blazeix do it if he were ever here

02 09:58:00 tommost Yeah, I forgot to hit reply-to-all and composed my message. So I went to add the mailing list's address, but typed "arc" instead of "lug". Ooops.

02 10:09:00 kleinjt Next week somebody is presenting on mailing list conventions and etiquette. We can vote on one at the end of the meeting and add that to the constitution.

02 10:09:00 kleinjt I nominate tommost.

02 10:09:00 Morasique the list should reject any unsigned messages

02 10:10:00 killer_robot I second tommost.

02 10:10:00 tommost I accept.

02 10:13:00 Morasique i too feel that the guy who top-posts unsigned messages to the wrong mailing list should be in charge of this

02 10:13:00 tommost Morasique: I don't think that Mailman does that. Also, Enigmail sucks.

02 10:13:00 tommost I need to switch to mutt.

02 10:13:00 Morasique what's wrong with enigmail? i use it

02 10:14:00 tommost I can't really remember, but I uninstalled it for a reason.

02 10:15:00 Morasique well, you're wrong. although mutt is fun

02 11:19:00 Morasique hey, it's Blazeix

02 11:19:00 Morasique Blazeix: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2009-05.log#line-16 and http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2009-05.log#line-199

02 11:26:00 Blazeix I just enabled archiving.

02 11:26:00 Morasique can you ban tommost from posting while you're at it?

02 11:26:00 tommost :(

02 11:26:00 Blazeix I haven't read the entire backlog, but are we going to continue using mailman, or are we going to run a mailserver on the lug server?

02 11:26:00 tommost We should really have a separate list for discussions.

02 11:27:00 tommost That way people can subscribe to just announcements through the mailman list.

02 11:27:00 Morasique it turns out lists can have categories and you can subscribe to them separately

02 11:27:00 Morasique i'm not quite sure how you mail to them, unless mailman assigns them separate addresses

02 11:30:00 Blazeix Its done by keywords in the subject

02 11:30:00 Blazeix regexes

02 11:31:00 tommost That doesn't sound very reliable.

02 11:31:00 Morasique oh, cool

02 11:31:00 tommost Besides, we only want the secretary to be able to spam the announcements list.

02 11:31:00 Blazeix So, I'll give kleinjt, collinjc_server, and andy753421 administrative access, So this year's and next year's secretary and server admin have control

02 11:31:00 Morasique well, i imagine you don't try and get it to predict people's subjects, you would say "hey, put [discussion] in the subject"

02 11:31:00 Morasique how does andy753421 factor in?

02 11:32:00 Blazeix he's this years server admin, isn't he?

02 11:32:00 tommost Yeah, I don't trust him. He likes anarchy too much.

02 11:32:00 Blazeix Well, I guess his term expired, but he's still setting all the stuff up

02 11:32:00 Morasique yeah, but what does being the server admin have to do with the mailing list?

02 11:32:00 Morasique oh, are we starting our own?

02 11:32:00 Blazeix he's adminy.

02 11:32:00 Blazeix I don't think so

02 14:56:00 andy753421 can we ban HTML messages while we're at it? *Morasique*

02 14:58:00 andy753421 Morasique: also, have you had any login problems today?

02 15:00:00 Morasique andy753421: maybe you should get a client made in the last decade

02 15:05:00 andy753421 yea, i should really just switch to windows while i'm at it

02 15:12:00 jboticsource Morasique: you just got served

02 15:15:00 Morasique ...wow

02 15:15:00 kleinjt does anyone have any reccomendations for a lightweight image viewer that does thumbnails?

02 15:15:00 Morasique "does thumbnails"?

02 15:15:00 kleinjt yes, little pictures of the bigger ones in the directory

02 15:15:00 kleinjt is that the wrong word for it?

02 15:16:00 kleinjt I suppose if the big pictures were really small, they would all be the same size

02 15:16:00 Morasique you mean like in the open dialog or something? i would think that would be the job of the file browser

02 15:16:00 kleinjt I don't think I've got any of those installed

02 15:17:00 kleinjt something that I could run on a directory and get lots of little photos that I could click on to make them become a bigger one in the center of the screen or something.

02 15:18:00 Morasique i think nautilus displays thumbnails

02 15:18:00 kleinjt I'm split between gthumb and eog.

02 15:18:00 kleinjt or xzgv

02 15:18:00 Morasique eog doesn't show thumbnails

02 15:19:00 andy753421 i use eog, but it's probably not entirely lightweight

02 15:19:00 kleinjt xzgv sounds lightweight, I'll try that

02 15:22:00 kleinjt exactly what I was looking for :D

02 15:23:00 kleinjt well, no thumbnails, but it shows image filenames

02 15:24:00 Morasique it shows image filenames? terminals do that

02 15:24:00 kleinjt but I can click on the filenames to bring the picture up

02 15:24:00 kleinjt much easier than typing xv then tab completing the filename

02 15:30:00 Blazeix kleinjt: gqview is what you're looking for. It shows thumbnail+filename, then you click on it and you get the actual picture

02 15:31:00 Blazeix it's pretty lightweight

02 15:31:00 kleinjt that looks like it was written in the last decade too, cool

02 15:32:00 Blazeix thumbnails are off by default, but 'T' toggles them

02 15:36:00 Morasique if chtr were paying attention he would've mentioned plumber earlier

02 17:25:00 jboticsource i am trying to recover a ntfs drive i have from linux

02 17:25:00 jboticsource jay@KINZIEJH-1:~$ sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdc1

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Mounting volume... pread: Input/output error

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Failed to calculate number of free MFTs: Input/output error.

02 17:25:00 jboticsource FAILED

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Attempting to correct errors...

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Processing $MFT and $MFTMirr...

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Reading $MFT... OK

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Reading $MFTMirr... OK

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Comparing $MFTMirr to $MFT... OK

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Processing of $MFT and $MFTMirr completed successfully.

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Setting required flags on partition... OK

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Going to empty the journal ($LogFile)... OK

02 17:25:00 jboticsource pread: Input/output error

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Failed to calculate number of free MFTs: Input/output error.

02 17:25:00 jboticsource Remount failed: Input/output error.

02 17:25:00 jboticsource any ideas?

02 17:27:00 tommost What does S.M.A.R.T. say about the drive?

02 17:28:00 jboticsource tomost: how do i use that functionality?

02 17:28:00 jboticsource i know what smart is, but how do i talk to it?

02 17:28:00 tommost Uh...

02 17:28:00 tommost smartmontools?

02 17:29:00 Morasique gah. pastebin

02 17:46:00 jboticsource i got smartmontools installed now

02 17:49:00 jboticsource how do i use it?

02 17:49:00 andy753421 jboticsource: `smartctl -l selftest/error' to show longs, `smartctl -t <test>' to run a new test

02 17:49:00 andy753421 smartctl -h gives details

02 17:59:00 jboticsource http://pastebin.com/m7fcc5851

02 18:07:00 jboticsource http://pastebin.com/d5dd9353c

02 18:14:00 Morasique it sounds like the drive is bad

02 18:15:00 jboticsource :(

02 18:15:00 tommost Er, what did you think was happening?

02 18:16:00 jboticsource i thought the ntfs file system was corrupt

02 18:18:00 andy753421 jboticsource: ddrescue

02 18:20:00 chtr dd[_-]?rescue is more like it

03 08:54:00 jboticsource does anybody know of an ext 4 driver for windows?

03 08:55:00 chtr ext4 is (mostly? sometimes?) backwards compatible with ext2

03 08:55:00 chtr so using an ext2 driver would likely work

03 16:42:00 Morasique son of a bitch. did nobody write the SGA budget?

03 16:43:00 andy753421 Morasique: we probably can't, we're not a club yet

03 16:43:00 Morasique i thought we were still supposed to, we talked about it for weeks

03 16:43:00 andy753421 in other news, we should become a club soon

03 16:44:00 Morasique are we supposed to do something for that? i thought it just kind of happened

03 16:50:00 andy753421 no, you have to apply

03 16:50:00 Morasique can we do it now?

03 16:50:00 chtr i'll be in front of SGA tuesday for robotics, i'll email them and get us on the agenda

03 16:51:00 Morasique cool

03 16:52:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/RHLUG:About

03 16:52:00 Morasique so we could've done this a quarter ago?

03 16:53:00 Morasique also the officers list is redundant with http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/RHLUG_Members

03 18:41:00 chtr the second floor of the library is a dangerous place...

03 18:41:00 chtr you're walking around, getting ready to leave, then BAM! you're accosted by a 1984 copy of the bell labs technical journal, and forced to read pike's article on blit

03 18:48:00 kleinjt yeah, I get distracted by all the cool computer architecture books about cutting edge computers like the PDP-11

03 22:21:00 andy753421 what do you folks use for an OpenGL reference?

04 11:18:00 andy753421 Has anyone ever figured out how to fix the problems with the Dell's and RHIT-1X where the ESSID's don't show up?

04 11:18:00 andy753421 i apparently did something, and now wpa_supplicant can't find the RHIT-1X access points anymore :/

04 11:19:00 collinjc The same thing happened to me a couple of months ago. I still haven't gotten it back.

04 11:20:00 andy753421 collinjc_server: what kernel?

04 12:32:00 andy7534211 I can't possible imagine how uninterpretable sleep is a good idea

04 12:59:00 chtr andy7534211: when is the last time you slept? ``uninterpretable sleep'', haha

04 13:00:00 andy7534211 i slept this morning

04 13:01:00 andy7534211 i just type things, and then pick the first choice from the spell-check box ;)

04 14:58:00 andy7534211 tommost: AWeather is actually already on the lug server ;) it was there when I was hosting everything on my personal server and I never deleted it

04 14:59:00 andy7534211 same with my senior project

04 14:59:00 andy7534211 i just didn't want to add anything new now that the hardware belongs to the club

04 14:59:00 tommost Ah, okay.

04 15:00:00 tommost I like the hosting idea.

04 15:00:00 andy7534211 anyway, i'm off

05 07:23:00 Morasique does anybody use unionfs?

05 09:44:00 tommost I did, once.

05 09:56:00 Morasique does it work? i'm considering messing with it, but i've heard bad things

05 10:00:00 tommost_xp I think that it did, but I can't really remember. I used it in a purely read-only fashion, too.

05 10:05:00 andy753421 hm.. i got wpa working again, except it's painful

05 10:05:00 andy753421 (had to set the AP manually)

05 10:09:00 tommost_xp It's kind of liberating to not bother with RHIT-1X at all.

05 10:09:00 andy753421 tommost_xp: do you use wireless at all?

05 10:09:00 tommost_xp Ethernet is way faster anyway.

05 10:09:00 Morasique i remember when they started 1x and i was happy, back before it was the bane of my existence

05 10:09:00 tommost_xp andy753421: Seldom. Once in a while I use the AP in my room by accident.

05 10:10:00 tommost_xp Heck, I'm in Windows right now and I don't have wireless.

05 10:11:00 tommost_xp I wish that I could turn off WiFi separately from Bluetooth; I use Bluetooth all the time but WiFi just wastes power.

05 10:11:00 andy753421 we should all file support tickets so they'll set the ESSIDS to be visible

05 10:12:00 tommost_xp Don't they not do that because it BSODs the super super senior laptops?

05 10:12:00 andy753421 yea, but nobody cares about super super senior laptops anymore

05 10:12:00 tommost_xp Agreed.

05 10:12:00 andy753421 i think it's actually super-super-super-senior by now

05 10:13:00 tommost_xp Remind me to file a ticket later when I'm in Linux.

05 10:13:00 andy753421 ok

05 10:33:00 andy7534211 octaviou1 / anyone else with a non-BCM43xx wireless card: when you run `iwlist scan' does it show ESSID:"RHIT-1X" for the 1X access points or is it blank (ESSID:"")?

05 12:03:00 kleinjt andy7534211: not sure if this answers your question, but here: http://pastebin.com/m56f4101b

05 12:05:00 andy7534211 that looks like FreeBSD..

05 12:05:00 andy7534211 um, i guess it sort-of helps

05 12:06:00 andy7534211 i found a patch for wpa_supplicant that's supposed to probe the access points better and hopefully will get a valid ESSID for the rhit-1x points

05 12:06:00 andy7534211 haven't had a chance to test it though

05 12:07:00 Morasique andy7534211: you know in four weeks you won't be here anymore, right?

05 12:07:00 andy7534211 yes

05 15:58:00 andy753421 :q

05 15:59:00 Morasique ...

05 15:59:00 andy753421 So I wrote a script to flood RHIT-1X packets over the airwaves by trying to connect to them all. You can run it while trying to connect to wpa to improve your chances of finding an access point: http://rafb.net/p/MPrl3A31.html

05 16:02:00 Morasique andy753421: awk takes a -F flag to specify the delimiter, like -F:

05 16:13:00 andy753421 i know, but that will kill the Address line

05 16:14:00 Morasique ah

05 20:02:00 chtr so, even though i don't really have that vested of an interest in this, i think the lug server should have interpreters/compilers for some less popular languages

05 20:03:00 chtr particularly a scheme interpreter (applicable to plc), haskell & erlang (plp), etc.

05 20:06:00 andy753421 alright, i'm installing plt-scheme, erlang, and ghc

05 20:07:00 andy753421 chez scheme and Hugs can suck it (unless someone objects)

05 20:07:00 chtr that list obviously wasn't inclusive, but i think it'd be cool if we have a few other too. and make a list on the wiki too, so people can play around with them without having to go through the install (ghc is particularly painful...)

05 20:07:00 andy753421 yea

05 20:07:00 andy753421 what's wrong with ghc?

05 20:08:00 chtr i remember it taking quite a while to compile, maybe i'm wrong though

05 20:08:00 andy753421 oh

05 20:08:00 chtr might as well throw clisp on there too

05 20:08:00 Morasique hugs blows, but i think it's what they use in plp unless they switched

05 20:09:00 chtr what's so bad about hugs?

05 20:09:00 Morasique i no longer remember. i just know ghc is better

05 20:09:00 andy753421 yea, ghc is what everyone uses

05 20:09:00 Morasique http://sequence.complete.org/node/12

05 20:10:00 andy753421 using hugs is like programming BlueJ

05 20:10:00 andy753421 *programming java in BlueJ

05 20:11:00 andy753421 i'll install gforth too, to make kleinjt happy ;)

05 20:11:00 chtr heh, i even will approve of that

05 20:12:00 andy753421 tck/tk too

05 20:12:00 andy753421 lua, python, ruby, perl, m4, and the rest of the common ones are already installed, go gentoo

05 20:13:00 andy753421 prolog!

05 20:13:00 chtr http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Lug.rose-hulman.edu#Interpreters_.26_Compilers

05 20:13:00 chtr it'd be nice if that was dynamic-ish...

05 20:16:00 andy753421 that page is hard to read.. if anyone's editing it, swithc s/====/===/g

05 20:17:00 chtr hm, why is the edit on the left?

05 20:17:00 chtr i think i broke something

05 20:17:00 andy753421 yea, that's odd

05 20:18:00 andy753421 its like that on all the pages for some reason, i haven't touched it recently

05 20:20:00 chtr also, how do i chsh?

05 20:21:00 andy753421 did i write a script for that?

05 20:21:00 chtr you'd probably know better than i

05 20:21:00 Morasique i think there's a thing in my home directory for it

05 20:22:00 andy753421 i put all the custom scripts in /usr/local/bin/

05 20:22:00 andy753421 there's chsh.ldap

05 20:23:00 chtr ldapmodify: modify operation type is missing at line 2, entry "cn=Michael M Auchter,ou=People,dc=lug,dc=rose-hulman,dc=edu"

05 20:23:00 andy753421 eh, i'll have to fix that

05 20:24:00 andy753421 you can do ldap_modify manually if you like

05 20:24:00 chtr no rush

05 20:24:00 andy753421 yea, i need to go take a shower

05 20:30:00 Morasique apparently i don't know my password

05 20:31:00 chtr i do

05 20:31:00 Morasique congrats

05 20:31:00 chtr well, something like that apparently deserved a post on proggit, so...

05 20:31:00 Morasique i have my password very insecurely written down, it's not working

05 20:34:00 chtr auchtemm@lug ~ $ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep bytes RX bytes:610586292006 (568.6 GiB) TX bytes:26830703505 (24.9 GiB)

05 20:35:00 Morasique impressive

05 20:35:00 chtr yeah, not bad. we're using around 450GB so far

05 21:20:00 chtr andy753421: did something fail with emerging plt-scheme & ghc?

05 21:21:00 andy753421 yea

05 21:22:00 andy753421 as well as clisp and gforth

05 21:22:00 andy753421 that seems like to many to be random so i'm trying to figure out if there's a reason for it

05 21:22:00 chtr hehe, wow

05 21:29:00 andy753421 auchter: give chsh.ldap a try again

05 21:29:00 chtr andy753421: worked fine

05 21:29:00 andy753421 mkay

06 05:45:00 chtr huh. apparently debian's switching from glibc to eglibc...

06 06:49:00 Morasique er. why?

06 06:53:00 chtr presumably because of glibc's maintainer

06 06:54:00 Morasique i don't follow these things, is something wrong with him?

06 06:56:00 chtr he's entertaining in the same way theo de raadt is

06 06:56:00 chtr http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980

06 06:57:00 chtr (ulrich being the maintainer, if that wasn't obvious)

06 06:59:00 Morasique wow. wtf?

06 07:02:00 Morasique "Fine. Whatever. I'll revert it, assholes". well, at least that got settled in a civilized manner

06 14:26:00 crr is the LUG server lug-1.csse.rose-hulman.edu ?

06 14:26:00 crr it doesn't seem to have an SSH server running

06 14:26:00 Morasique they changed it to -0

06 14:26:00 Morasique or you can just use lug.rose-hulman.edu

06 14:27:00 crr ah, thanks

07 08:46:00 Morasique do we have a presentation?

07 08:50:00 kleinjt not that I'm aware of

07 08:50:00 kleinjt apparently tommost isn't actually presenting on mailing list conventions :(

07 08:51:00 Morasique tommost: wtf

07 08:57:00 kleinjt we could do a golf contest

07 08:57:00 Morasique how is that a presentation?

07 08:58:00 kleinjt yes?

07 08:58:00 Morasique what?

07 09:03:00 chtr yes, golf

07 09:04:00 Morasique ?

07 09:05:00 chtr programming golf

07 09:05:00 Morasique i get that, i mean how is that a presentation? is somebody presenting on golf solutions, or are we just going to sit there doing problems?

07 09:05:00 Morasique it's not really something you can do in a half hour if we're talking about the latter

07 09:06:00 chtr sure it is

07 09:06:00 Morasique it's not something you do fast, people spend ages trying to make the programs shorter

07 09:07:00 chtr it'll be like speed golf

07 09:07:00 Morasique yes, they're contradictory

07 09:07:00 chtr which is what makes it interesting

07 09:07:00 Morasique the impossibleness?

07 09:07:00 kleinjt or miniature golf

07 09:40:00 andy753421 Morasique: what are/were we supposed to turn in for sha1?

07 09:40:00 Morasique just a working implementation

07 09:40:00 Morasique there weren't really any guidelines

07 09:40:00 andy753421 email?

07 09:40:00 Morasique yeah

07 09:41:00 andy753421 ok

07 12:55:00 jboticsource are we having a meeting today?

07 12:55:00 chtr yep

07 12:56:00 jboticsource cool

07 13:54:00 Morasique i hear at woodhaven in indy you get raped by spiders

07 13:55:00 Morasique chtr--

07 13:55:00 jboticsource1 rule 34

07 15:18:00 Morasique chtr: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8io1g/the_most_loved_mascot_in_the_programming_community/

07 15:22:00 chtr i like that i can see i headline like that, guess what it's referring to, and narrow it down to about 10 posters.

07 19:11:00 Morasique whoever was talking about wanting an image browser with thumbnails, i said i thought emacs could do it but didn't know how. boom: http://mrozekma.com/dired.png

07 19:15:00 tommost I slipped because of the rain and skinned my palm. It stings. I thought you all should know.

07 19:16:00 kleinjt #rhnoise <--

07 19:16:00 tommost No, I picked #rhlug because it's logged.

07 19:16:00 tommost I want Google to know too.

07 19:16:00 tommost hugs Google

07 19:17:00 kleinjt thanks for giving me another reason not to use emacs

07 19:17:00 tommost Yeah, those are ugly thumbnails.

07 19:18:00 Morasique how are thumbnails ugly? they're mini versions of the picture, there's no difference between programs

07 19:18:00 tommost They are beveled.

07 19:18:00 tommost Who things that looks good? Really?

07 19:19:00 andy753421 does it let you edit the images too?

07 19:19:00 chtr probably, 9 out of 10 graphics designers use emacs as their primary design tool

07 19:20:00 Morasique andy753421: i think there is some way, but again i don't know how. clicking on it just shows the image full size

07 19:20:00 tommost ...yes, we know that vim does that.

07 19:20:00 Morasique ooo. you can rotate

07 19:21:00 chtr if everyone just saved their images as c headers we'd all be fine

07 22:32:00 quark_ do you guys know if the mic on the sophmore laptop

07 22:32:00 quark_ erm in ubuntu

07 22:34:00 chtr quark_: it works on the junior laptop, if that's your question

07 22:37:00 quark_ which is the same....

08 06:14:00 MIshtal1 Does RH lug receive a budget from SGA?

08 06:17:00 Morasique you mean did we send them one?

08 06:17:00 Morasique we're not a club yet, so we didn't this time

08 06:27:00 MIshtal1 Yea, I got the dates mixed up. I thought we were a club, but not yet.

08 06:29:00 kleinjt eh?

08 08:56:00 tommost Dear Firefox: Please stop crashing on startup.

08 08:58:00 tommost Dear Firefox: I'm leaving you for Opera.

08 09:02:00 Morasique i need to shut off all my extensions and see if firefox sucks less

08 09:02:00 Morasique maybe i should just make a new profile, i think loading several years of history items is killing it on startup

08 09:02:00 Morasique opening the history tab takes about 10 seconds

08 09:03:00 tommost I need to find a decent way to conditionally enable Flash.

08 09:03:00 tommost And no, FlashBlock doesn't work.

08 11:34:00 andy753421 when you have a big list of data that you need to store in a C program, do you put that in a .c or a .h?

08 11:37:00 Morasique i put the DES constants in constants.h, if that's the kind of thing you're talking about

08 11:38:00 andy753421 yea, probably

08 11:38:00 andy753421 but then you can get duplicates when you compile :/

08 11:41:00 andy753421 oh well, i'll just live with having 200 lines of data at the beginning of the file for now

08 11:42:00 andy753421 foldmethod=marker ftw

08 11:47:00 Morasique isn't that what header guards are for?

08 11:48:00 Morasique or #include once, but nobody seems to use that

08 11:48:00 chtr boo header guards

08 11:48:00 Morasique everyone uses header guards

08 11:49:00 chtr term% grep ifdef /sys/include/*

08 11:49:00 chtr String.h:#ifdef BGETC

08 11:51:00 Morasique i thought they were necessary for some things

08 12:05:00 andy753421 Header guards wont work if you put data in the header though, because the data will get compiled into muiltiple objects and then it'll blow up when you try to link them

08 15:31:00 minifig904 No one has programmed a Nexys 2 from Linux, right?

08 15:32:00 minifig904 http://www.fpgarelated.com/usenet/fpga/show/83878-1.php

08 15:35:00 chtr minifig904: nice link there

08 15:35:00 minifig904 I try.

08 15:35:00 chtr if you try it, let us know how it works out

08 15:35:00 minifig904 I suppose now that the Digilent Design Competition is done, I can risk it.

08 15:37:00 minifig904 The problem I see happening right now is that since it needs changes to work with the Nexys 1, it almost definitely won't work with the Spartans.

08 15:38:00 minifig904 Trick is, I need someone to share this with the rest of the group, since I likely won't show up to the meetings to do so myself.

08 15:40:00 minifig904 I can put a line in the wiki, no problem, but I'm almost always busy on Thursdays.

08 15:43:00 chtr yeah, mention it on the wiki for sure

08 15:44:00 minifig904 OK. Will do if I get anywhere.

08 16:24:00 minifig904 Hmm. It's better explained in the readme that the link I found requires reprogramming the USB controller.

08 16:25:00 minifig904 *on the nexys 2

08 18:54:00 minifig904 OK, it can only program the FPGA, not the rom, but this link does work if you named your xilinx directory "ISE": http://www.fpgarelated.com/usenet/fpga/show/83878-1.php

08 18:54:00 minifig904 It might take two runs the first time.

08 18:55:00 minifig904 Also, you may need to run that script from the same place as the ISE directory. I don't know.

08 20:10:00 minifig904 I updated the Xilinx wiki page with the information I have.

09 09:18:00 Morasique "MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen."

09 09:18:00 Morasique and people say linux isn't user friendly

09 09:20:00 crr yeah, it does always bother me when linux or linux apps crash, considering "not crashing" is one of the points I cite in linux's favor

09 09:20:00 crr on a different note, I've made some changes to Sticheln, it should be better now

09 09:20:00 Morasique ooo. cool

09 14:38:00 chtr andy753421: when you get a chance, would you mind installing: dev-texlive/texlive-formatsextra dev-texlive/texlive-genericextra dev-texlive/texlive-genericrecommended dev-texlive/texlive-plainextra dev-texlive/texlive-latexextra

09 14:39:00 chtr (maybe not all are necessary, but i'd at least like the fullpage, geometry, and paralist packages)

09 15:38:00 andy753421 sure

09 15:38:00 chtr awesome, thanks

09 15:39:00 andy753421 also, you should send install request to the mailing list from now on, that way it's harder for me to forget

09 15:39:00 chtr ok, will do

09 16:19:00 andy753421 auchter: installed

09 16:20:00 chtr great, thanks again

10 10:19:00 Morasique i just got an e-mail that my n810 is shipping tomorrow. not cool

10 16:22:00 Morasique has anybody else noticed rar's percentage bar sucks?

10 19:14:00 Hudsonmc if I shut down the gnome windows manger, will wx applications still work?

10 19:15:00 chtr yes

10 19:16:00 Hudsonmc ok, I probably should have asked this first then, I'm sorry. How does one shut down the gnome windows manager?

10 19:18:00 chtr good question, which i'll defer to someone used to dealing with GDM and it's obsession with keeping gnome running

10 19:20:00 Hudsonmc whatever

10 19:20:00 Hudsonmc oh, I'm sorry

10 19:20:00 Hudsonmc wrong window

10 19:21:00 Hudsonmc did not mean to sound like suck a jerk there.

10 19:21:00 chtr hehe, no problem

10 19:24:00 Morasique there isn't a "gnome windows manager"

10 19:24:00 Morasique you're probably using compiz

10 19:24:00 Morasique do you have the spinny cube thing?

10 19:24:00 Hudsonmc no, this is on a different machine

10 19:24:00 Morasique then you're probably using metacity, you can try pkill -9 metacity, but gnome will probably just restart it

10 19:25:00 Hudsonmc I'm trying to determine if wx applications are dependant on an x-server

10 19:25:00 Morasique like, you need X running? yes

10 19:25:00 Hudsonmc ok, so are gnome and and synonymous?

10 19:26:00 Hudsonmc sorry, gnome and x

10 19:26:00 Morasique no, X is the thing that lets you run GUI stuff, gnome is something that runs inside X

10 19:26:00 Morasique if you hit ctrl+alt+f1 you'll get to a TTY that isn't running X (ctrl+alt+f7 to get back)

10 19:27:00 Hudsonmc so if I wanted to free up system resources to run something else, which I wouldn't need gnome for, how would I go about doing that

10 19:27:00 Morasique you want to stop using gnome permanently?

10 19:28:00 Hudsonmc well, for that session I suppose

10 19:28:00 Hudsonmc I will still need it occasionally

10 19:29:00 Morasique i think if you log out, on the login screen there's an "options" button that lets you change the session, pick something besides gnome

10 19:31:00 Hudsonmc x client script?

10 19:31:00 Morasique maybe. i'm not sure

10 19:31:00 Hudsonmc and then several failsafe modes

10 19:31:00 Hudsonmc xclient seemed to start gnome back up

10 19:33:00 Hudsonmc here is one that just opens a terminal

10 19:34:00 Morasique that's probably right

10 19:34:00 Morasique it has to open something or X would close

10 19:35:00 Hudsonmc to run a python program, you prefix it with py, correct?

10 19:35:00 Morasique python

10 19:37:00 Hudsonmc hrmm, the wx portions of my programs don't seem to be working

10 19:38:00 Hudsonmc it will open frames, and that's about it

10 19:38:00 Morasique do other gui programs work?

10 19:38:00 Hudsonmc there's nothing but a terminal

10 19:38:00 Hudsonmc what should I try?

10 19:39:00 Morasique gedit

10 19:39:00 Hudsonmc yes

10 19:40:00 Morasique odd. gnome should have nothing to do with wx; do your programs work normally?

10 19:40:00 Hudsonmc yes

10 19:40:00 Hudsonmc slowly, but they work

10 19:41:00 Morasique tomwm: fix wx

10 19:45:00 Hudsonmc hehe, thanks for trying bud

10 19:45:00 Morasique if you close the terminal X should close and GDM will restart it

10 19:46:00 Hudsonmc what do you mean . . .

10 19:49:00 Morasique i assume you want gnome back

10 19:49:00 Morasique if you exit the terminal you should get back to the login screen and you can change your session again

10 19:49:00 Hudsonmc I don't know of any way to close the terminal, I'm sorry

10 19:49:00 Morasique just run "exit", or hit ctrl+d

10 19:51:00 Hudsonmc aha, thanks

10 20:52:00 Morasique "karmic koala"? that's awesome

10 20:59:00 Morasique i like the new ubuntu progress bar

10 21:13:00 andy7534211 Morasique: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/4921270/Screenshot.png ?

10 21:14:00 Morasique no, the splash screen when you're booting

10 21:14:00 Morasique it's not so much i like it as it's better than the old one that i found rather ugly

10 21:15:00 andy7534211 er, you should post a screenshot or something

10 21:15:00 andy7534211 also, when are we supposed to do this crypto stuff?

10 21:16:00 Morasique sometime this week probably. we've got till next thursday i think for the presentation, and friday for the paper, but we should probably try to finish at least the presentation by this weekend

10 21:16:00 Morasique i haven't done anything yet, i've been working on parallel, but i'll probably work on it tomorrow

10 21:17:00 andy7534211 alright, i haven't done anything either

10 21:27:00 Morasique andy7534211: http://mrozekma.com/ubuntu-splash.png

10 21:27:00 andy7534211 mkay

11 01:29:00 andy753421 when you edit dos file in emacs/gedit, does it only convert the ^M's on the lines you edit?

11 12:06:00 Morasique so no seniors are going to be at lug this week because of commencement practice; it should be an entertaining look at who will be at meetings next year

11 12:07:00 Morasique this ARGBEGIN/ARGEND stuff in plan9 is cool, i just found it in a file

11 12:16:00 chtr yeah, i thought i had mentioned that. i love that.

11 12:20:00 lithium3141 hey everyone - the Ubuntu repos seem to be out of date at lug.rose-hulman.edu/mirror

11 12:20:00 lithium3141 just installed jaunty fresh, and the Canonical U.S. mirrors show twenty-odd security updates

11 12:20:00 lithium3141 but once I replace them with the Rose repos, there's no updates available

11 12:22:00 andy753421 hm.. i show the last sync as completing without errors on 2009-05-11 12:39:08

11 12:22:00 andy753421 (which is 4 hours ago)

11 12:23:00 lithium3141 mmk. i'll check again tomorrow

11 12:23:00 andy753421 it's pulling from rsync://mirrors.login.com/ubuntu/

11 12:23:00 andy753421 perhaps that mirror is out of date?

11 12:23:00 lithium3141 possibly

11 12:24:00 andy753421 could you set your repo to mirrors.login.com/ubuntu/ and see if the security updates show up there?

11 12:24:00 lithium3141 yeah

11 12:24:00 andy753421 they do show up?

11 12:25:00 lithium3141 one sec

11 12:27:00 lithium3141 nope nothing there

11 12:29:00 andy753421 alright

11 12:29:00 andy753421 do security updates get pushed to mirrors at all?

11 12:30:00 lithium3141 not sure

11 12:44:00 Morasique http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ctors.html#faq-10.19

11 12:44:00 Morasique more programming faqs should start with "This is really going to hurt; you might want to sit down."

11 13:06:00 andy753421 it's C++, naturally it's going to hurt

11 15:16:00 andy7534211 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sinclair/doug/?doug=mcilroy

11 15:17:00 chtr hehe, yeah, i love that site

11 17:14:00 tommost Awesome, my 770 now connects to RHIT-1X.

11 17:33:00 tommost does the RHIT-1X jig

11 19:25:00 TBoneULS http://pikkupossu.1g.fi/tomi/projects/i-bus/i-bus.html

11 19:25:00 TBoneULS nm that

12 09:20:00 Morasique awesome needs to rename it's libraries, i'm reading a mailing list e-mail titled "naughty icons" and hoping nobody looks over my shoulder

12 09:21:00 Morasique s/it's/its/

12 14:51:00 povilus_desktop so im looking at advisors at where i might go to grad school and check out this page http://mysite.du.edu/~rvoyles/research.TerminatorBot.html

12 14:51:00 povilus_desktop here are two long-term goals regarding TerminatorBot's size. One is to shrink it to about half-size (40 mm in diameter) to make it compatible with the M203 grenade launcher

12 14:52:00 rhkratos anyone know how to integrate a linux calender app (like thunderbird lightning) with exchange/outlook?

12 14:55:00 tommost povilus_desktop: Cool.

12 14:56:00 tommost rhkratos: The approach that immediately occurs to me is to sync both of them with Google calendar.

12 14:56:00 rhkratos yeah, was thinking about that

12 14:56:00 tommost Otherwise you'd probably have to set up a CalDAV server, which likely isn't fun.

12 14:56:00 tommost The LUG should run a CalDAV server for Rose events.

12 14:56:00 tommost That would be useful.

12 15:02:00 rhkratos looks like to sync google cal w/ outlook you gotta run a windows app full time, which is fine for me....but not great for everyone else

12 15:02:00 rhkratos http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=89955

12 15:03:00 tommost Oh, Outlook still doesn't have CalDAV support?

12 15:03:00 rhkratos no idea about CalDAV, but to get google cal synced w/ outlook

12 15:15:00 andy7534211 google calendar uses the icalendar format which outlook supports

12 15:15:00 andy7534211 as does lightning/sunbird/evolution

12 15:16:00 tommost Yeah, but does Outlook support CalDAV? That's what Lightning uses to save stuff to the server.

12 15:16:00 andy7534211 i don't think you can make changes to the `outlook' calender with linux or anything, but you can just use icalendar for everything

12 15:16:00 andy7534211 tommost: it can also use webdav, which is better

12 15:17:00 andy7534211 i've never understood the point of caldav

12 15:17:00 tommost I thought that CalDAV was just a bunch of stuff bolted on top of WebDAV.

12 15:17:00 andy7534211 yea, sortof

12 15:17:00 andy7534211 but you don't really need to use it, you can use regular webdav too

12 15:19:00 andy7534211 i've got my calendar set up using webdav (https://andy753421.ath.cx/ical/calendars/all.ics) and i can write to it from linux just fine

12 15:19:00 andy7534211 and outlook users can view it just vine

12 15:19:00 andy7534211 *fine

12 15:20:00 andy7534211 i haven't tried to write to it from outlook though, but i'm pretty sure it's supported

12 15:20:00 tommost Do you need CalDAV to do per-event permissions or something like that, then?

12 15:20:00 andy7534211 probably

12 15:20:00 andy7534211 i don't really know what caldav does

12 15:22:00 andy7534211 i just use two calendars, one for public things (almost everything), and one for a few private things

12 15:23:00 tommost I should set up something similar myself.

12 15:23:00 tommost I had WebDAV working on my server at one point; perhaps I should resuscitate Apache.

12 15:23:00 andy7534211 i can post the apache config for webdav on the wiki

12 15:24:00 tommost I still have mine somewhere, but it would be interesting to see.

12 15:24:00 tommost I recall it being damn confusing because the way it's configured has changed and there's still lots of old documentation around.

12 15:25:00 andy7534211 well, if my wireless will stay connected for more than 8 seconds at a time, i'll post it

12 15:48:00 andy7534211 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/ICalendar

12 19:30:00 jboticsource in open office, it is showing cross outs over stuff i had deleted. How can i turn that off?

12 19:31:00 jboticsource i know tommost told me at one point

12 19:31:00 jboticsource last quarter

12 21:21:00 tommost Executing "pkill firefox" is marvelous... suddenly Pidgin notification noises happen, and music starts playing.

12 21:21:00 Morasique tommost: i have xkill bound to a hotkey almost solely for killing firefox; i should really just bind pkill firefox to its own hotkey

12 21:22:00 tommost I wish that there were a way to kill Flash from underneath Firefox and restart it safely.

12 21:22:00 tommost Ah, and now's the part where Firefox pegs my CPU while it loads the 50 tabs I had open.

12 21:23:00 chtr firefox asks me before it does that...

12 21:23:00 tommost Not when you kill it.

12 21:23:00 tommost It just assumes.

12 21:23:00 chtr no, i kill it quite often, and it still asks me

12 21:23:00 tommost Hm, interesting.

12 21:23:00 chtr pkill firefox-bin is one of my most commonly typed command, sadly

12 21:24:00 tommost I wonder what the pref for that is; I can't open Firefox (with the old profile) on my laptop because it just crashes 30 seconds later.

12 21:24:00 chtr i use ff2, which might be the difference

12 21:24:00 tommost Oh, that too.

12 21:24:00 tommost Stop doing that.

12 21:24:00 tommost As a web developer I hate you.

12 21:25:00 chtr why? it works.

12 21:25:00 tommost It has some nasty bugs.

12 21:25:00 chtr not from my perspective

12 21:26:00 tommost I really need a way to sync my bookmarks among all my Firefoxes.

12 21:59:00 Morasique tommost: why do you have more than one?

12 21:59:00 Morasique google browser sync could do it but i think they abandoned that project

12 22:00:00 Morasique there's probably similar plugins though

12 22:00:00 tommost There's one on my desktop and one on my laptop.

12 22:00:00 tommost And one at work.

12 22:00:00 tommost They can all be running simultaneously.

12 23:39:00 andy753421 so out of curiosity, can anyone here actually interpret latex error messages?

12 23:41:00 Morasique on occasion, but not in general

13 08:23:00 Morasique for the sga e-mail, we should send screenshots of terminals

13 08:35:00 kleinjt_eee we should send screencaps of Johnny Mnemonic

13 08:46:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever heard of that movie, but it sounds amusing

13 13:34:00 Morasique "U.S. offensive cyberwar capabilities have been focused on getting into Chinese government and military computers outfitted with less secure operating systems like those made by Microsoft Corp.". poor microsoft

13 14:24:00 tommost Hm, it looks like the lightning brought down my desktop.

13 15:21:00 kleinjt_addiator it killed my server :(

13 15:22:00 tommost The one on RT power regulation?

13 15:22:00 tommost The RT server is still up.

13 15:22:00 Morasique killed, or shut off?

13 15:30:00 kleinjt_addiator It wasn't on RT power regulation. I haven't plugged in a monitor, but when I turn it on I can't ping it.

13 15:30:00 kleinjt_addiator I'll sort it out this weekend

13 16:53:00 Morasique i copied a bunch of dotfiles to a directory, ran `ls' on the directory, and couldn't figure out why there were no files in it. i ran the cp three times

13 16:56:00 tommost ...

13 16:58:00 Morasique i'm a little slow

13 17:01:00 Morasique andy753421: can you reset my password on the lug server? i have no idea what it is

13 17:03:00 Morasique andy753421: oh. nevermind

13 17:03:00 Morasique it wasn't working yesterday, but now it is

13 17:03:00 Morasique apparently i sucked yesterday

14 12:07:00 kleinjt_addiator so will there be a lug meeting today?

14 12:08:00 Morasique go for it

14 12:08:00 kleinjt_addiator cool, all by myself

14 12:09:00 Morasique i think there are other non-seniors in lug

14 12:09:00 kleinjt_addiator I'll be presenting on the two projectors I found on the free stuff table. It will be an interactive presentation, y'all get to help me find datasheets and manuals about them.

14 12:10:00 kleinjt_addiator If you want to get started early, one is a ``Kodak Datashow System'' and the other is a ``Sharp QA -75''

14 12:14:00 kleinjt_addiator bonus if anyone brings a center-negative 12V 1A power supply

14 13:14:00 kleinjt_addiator :(

14 13:15:00 kleinjt_addiator y'all are boring, I'm leaving

14 13:59:00 tommost I am alone at the LUG meeting. :(

14 13:59:00 tommost kleinjt_addiator left for dinner and FernFerret never showed up.

14 13:59:00 tommost Also, I'm in F217 because Chase and Jared were in the other lab.

14 13:59:00 tommost And it was really hot in there.

14 14:00:00 tommost I too have a presentation: it's a tablet PC on which we need to make the touch screen work.

14 14:25:00 andy753421 so how'd that LUG meeting go?

14 14:26:00 tommost Well, I'm still working on making this tablet's touch screen work.

14 14:26:00 tommost kleinjt_addiator went to dinner.

14 14:27:00 andy753421 mkay

14 15:02:00 tommost And as usual the gentoo wiki has a page on what I'm trying to do, but it's down.

14 15:02:00 tommost Gentoo++

14 15:03:00 tommost And it's not in the Google cache.

14 15:05:00 tommost I'm not sure which is worse, Ubuntu Forums or Gentoo Wiki. The former is at least always up.

14 15:13:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever seen gentoo wiki down, excluding the huge failure a while ago

14 15:13:00 Morasique also, i think it's safe to say a useful site up some of the time is better than a useless site up all the time

14 15:40:00 tommost Except it's not useless.

14 15:40:00 tommost The relevant page on the Gentoo wiki doesn't seem to exist any more.

14 15:41:00 tommost It's driving me crazy; it's linked everywhere. Apparently it was quite definitive.

14 15:41:00 andy753421 tommost: what page?

14 15:42:00 tommost Motion Computing LE1600, or some variant thereof.

14 15:43:00 andy753421 http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Motion_Computing_LE1600

14 15:45:00 andy753421 yea.. gentoo-wiki died in a fire, but the archive still has most of the old pages

14 16:16:00 andy753421 wow, from the glib manual: `G_DEBUG. If GLib has been configured with --enable-debug=yes, this variable can be set to a list of debug options'

14 16:16:00 andy753421 Every single item listed under that contains `This option is special in that it doesn't require GLib to be configured with debugging support.' ...

14 22:35:00 Morasique ncdu for the win

15 02:48:00 Morasique sweet logo: http://www.hmrgroup.co.uk/

15 04:38:00 Morasique i wish emerge wouldn't cripple my computer while it's running

15 04:55:00 Morasique andy753421: what's rsl.h in aweather's plugin-radar.c:22?

15 04:57:00 andy753421 `Radar Software Librarh' (ftp://trmm-fc.gsfc.nasa.gov/software/rsl-v40.tar.gz)

15 04:58:00 andy753421 it's documented a bit on the wiki,

15 04:58:00 andy753421 there's some patches I wrote and an ebuild in trunk/opt/rsl

15 05:06:00 Morasique "*** emerging by path is broken and may not always work!!!". that's comforting

15 07:57:00 Blazeix anyone know where andy is?

15 07:58:00 Blazeix his laptop came into IAIT and there isn't a boot sector on his harddrive. I'm not sure if he just overwrote it to prevent IAIT from doing stuff, or if its a legitimate issue.

15 07:58:00 Blazeix I remember some people were talking about doing that earlier; I can't remember if he was one of them.

15 07:59:00 Morasique Blazeix: his twitter post made it sound like whatever issue he had was minor since he's been ignoring it for a while: http://twitter.com/andy753421/status/1805669100

15 08:00:00 Blazeix yeah, they've already removed his harddrive and set him up with a brand new windows xp install, so he might be surprised when he comes in...

15 08:24:00 tommost Blazeix: I'm guessing he'll be pissed.

15 08:24:00 tommost It was minor hardware issues he wanted fixed.

15 08:28:00 Morasique Blazeix: iait's reputation is well deserved

15 08:28:00 Morasique i thought they stopped doing that, but apparently not

15 09:08:00 Blazeix well, in there defense, it wouldn't boot. Generally thats a bad thing

15 09:08:00 Blazeix but, its a new hard drive, so they still have his old hard drive

15 09:09:00 Blazeix s/there/their/

15 10:41:00 Blazeix Does anyone have issues where when they start large programs like openoffice or firefox they see remnants of other running programs before the large program paints?

15 10:41:00 Blazeix it might be an Awesome Window manager thing

15 10:45:00 Morasique yeah; i don't really think of it as a "problem"

15 10:45:00 Morasique it's just lagging while the program loads before it starts painting

15 10:52:00 Blazeix yeah, it's startling though. I open up firefox, and my pidgin irc window pops up, then disappears and firefox appears

15 10:52:00 Blazeix I'm getting used to it, but there's still a jolting experience.

15 11:33:00 Morasique Blazeix: was your pidgin window already on the screen?

15 11:34:00 andy7534211 Blazeix: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1024 count=1024

15 11:35:00 Morasique andy7534211: you did it on purpose then?

15 11:35:00 andy7534211 yea

15 11:35:00 Morasique how do you boot?

15 11:35:00 andy7534211 i wish they left the new disk in :/

15 11:36:00 Blazeix Morasique: Pidgin was on another workspace, and had recently been displayed. its basically whatever window had been viewed last

15 11:36:00 Morasique hmm. i don't think i have that problem then

15 11:37:00 Blazeix what do you have?

15 11:37:00 andy7534211 Morasique: did you get aweather working?

15 11:38:00 andy7534211 (i usually just copy ebuilds to and overlay and `ebuild foo.ebuild digest' them)

15 11:38:00 Morasique andy7534211: no, i couldn't figure out how to patch that lib manually, patch was giving me issues, and i couldn't get emerge to install from the ebuild

15 11:38:00 Morasique ah. i tried doing that but screwed it up

15 11:38:00 Morasique i couldn't get portage to find it

15 11:38:00 andy7534211 hm..

15 11:39:00 andy7534211 alright, you have to put all the patches in the sci-libs/rsl/files/ and then the ebuild in sci-libs/rsl/

15 11:41:00 andy7534211 if you do get it working, i should warn you that it'll eat up a lot of disk space in ~/.cache/aweather since it doesn't automatically delete old files

15 11:42:00 chtr oh yeah, i need to give aweather a try too.

16 09:52:00 zz tommost~ be right over

16 09:53:00 chtr ?

16 10:09:00 Morasique yeah, i'm a bit confused

16 10:11:00 kleinjt_addiator :/

16 10:26:00 Blazeix Does anyone know how to get vim to obey aliases defined in the current environment when having it exec shell commands using :!<command> ?

16 10:26:00 Morasique i doubt it can, it spawns a new shell to run your command

16 10:28:00 Blazeix hm, all my aliases are defined in .zshrc. I guess it doesn't read that. Does it read /etc/profile ?

16 10:28:00 Morasique i'm trying to figure out what sh reads now

16 10:28:00 Morasique i tried .profile, .bashrc and .shrc, none worked

16 10:28:00 Morasique maybe /etc/profile

16 10:29:00 Morasique or not

16 10:29:00 Blazeix no, it doesn't

16 10:32:00 Morasique i straced it, it looks like it doesn't read anything helpful

16 10:33:00 Morasique you might be able to make vim use a different shell

16 10:34:00 Morasique actually, i have vim using zsh and it's still ignoring my aliases

16 10:34:00 Morasique that's odd

16 10:35:00 Blazeix I'm asking in #vim now

16 10:35:00 Morasique emacs does it too. T_T

16 10:38:00 Morasique wow, wait. maybe it doesn't spawn another shell

16 10:39:00 Morasique my vim is remembering variables i set in the shell i ran it in

16 10:39:00 Morasique not aliases though

16 10:50:00 andy7534211 Blazeix: `:set sh=zsh -ls'

16 10:50:00 andy7534211 er, `:set sh=zsh\ -ls'

16 10:51:00 andy7534211 Morasique: if you set environmental variables that would make sense

16 10:51:00 Blazeix ah, escape the space. I was just running into that issue. thanks

16 11:33:00 andy7534211 so I thinking about switching aweather to git

16 11:34:00 andy7534211 some guy on the internet seemed interested in helping, and i think git would make that easier (that or we could wait and possibly give him svn access after a while)

16 13:10:00 Morasique portage is a bit liberal with masking. i have 76 masked packages installed and i've never had a problem with any of them

16 13:50:00 andy7534211 Morasique: which type of mask?

16 13:52:00 Morasique ~x86, is that what you mean?

16 13:53:00 andy7534211 there's ~arch, package.mask, and missing keyword

16 13:54:00 andy7534211 i use ACCPET_KEYWORDS=~x86 by default, and usually don't have to many problems

16 13:55:00 Morasique ah. i manually add them to package.keywords, but i should just do that

16 13:56:00 andy7534211 yea, i've run into problems when using things to package.mask or things with missing keywords

16 13:57:00 Morasique giggle seems a bit confused, it's telling me everything in the 479 project is by me

16 13:57:00 Morasique oh, wait, cody's changes were before we switched i think

16 13:58:00 Morasique yeah, nevermind, the only commit is from me adding the svn stuff

16 13:58:00 andy7534211 you can do a `git svn clone' and keep svn history, but oh well

16 13:59:00 Morasique oh. oops

16 13:59:00 andy7534211 have we made any changes to git in the past week or so?

16 13:59:00 Morasique no, not since the night we set it up

16 13:59:00 andy7534211 ok, just checking

16 18:33:00 andy7534211 hm.. aparently I forgot to put the glade files for aweather in the repository

16 22:48:00 Morasique this should have occurred to me ages ago: xlock -nolock -geometry 1280x1024+1920 +grabmouse

16 22:48:00 Morasique instant single-monitor screensaver if i'm not using my external monitor for anything

16 22:48:00 Morasique i wish there was a way to detect if my external monitor isn't doing anything so it could launch automatically, but i can't think of a good way

17 20:50:00 andy753421 does anyone know of a dictionary file that contains random CS related words?

17 21:27:00 Morasique andy753421: app-dicts/dictd-jargon might work, i haven't actually looked at it

18 11:52:00 kleinjt_addiator so, are we holding a LUG meeting this week?

18 11:59:00 Morasique why wouldn't we?

18 11:59:00 kleinjt_addiator inertia

18 19:39:00 tommost_laptop Goddamn it!

18 19:39:00 tommost_laptop Fucking printers!

18 19:39:00 Morasique ...?

18 19:40:00 tommost_laptop I've been trying to print a checkerboard for about an hour now.

18 19:40:00 tommost_laptop I've tried four printers.

18 19:40:00 tommost_laptop They all hate me.

18 19:40:00 andy753421 get lynn to print it for you tomorrow

18 19:41:00 andy753421 the printer in the cs office has nice contrast

18 19:41:00 tommost_laptop I want to calibrate it tonight. :(

18 19:41:00 tommost_laptop I need to get stuff done.

18 19:43:00 tommost_laptop And frankly, printing out an image consisting solely of black and white squares should not be the hard part.

18 19:45:00 chtr what is the problem?

18 19:47:00 tommost_laptop No idea.

18 19:47:00 tommost_laptop Three of four printers have displayed error messages, and the fourth (Crapo 2) didn't seem to do anything.

18 19:48:00 chtr that seems to point to an issue with your laptop. have you tried printing from another machine?

18 19:48:00 tommost_laptop No, not yet.

18 19:48:00 Morasique tommost_laptop: want me to print it?

18 19:48:00 tommost_laptop Let me try once more.

18 19:49:00 Blazeix ah ha. You can now kill robots in my game.

18 19:49:00 Morasique woo1

18 19:49:00 Blazeix well, you can kill robot. singular.

18 19:49:00 Morasique !

18 19:49:00 chtr yes, because once you kill one, the others immediately exterminate you

18 19:49:00 Morasique robots are like that

18 19:50:00 tommost_laptop I was able to print once I power cycled the Myers printer.

18 19:50:00 Morasique good job

18 19:50:00 tommost_laptop I also changed the printer settings a bit, so I'm not sure what the solution was.

18 19:51:00 Morasique enabling checkerboard mode is critical

18 19:52:00 Blazeix I just downloaded 41MB in 11 seconds. IAIT clearly is not doing their job.

19 03:56:00 kleinjt_addiator the wiki seems down

19 03:57:00 kleinjt_addiator at least on my end, the main page has no content

19 03:57:00 kleinjt_addiator only the N810 oage

19 03:57:00 kleinjt_addiator er.. s/oage/page/

19 10:28:00 andy7534211 alright, the wiki is fixed

19 10:28:00 andy7534211 if anyone made any changes since around 10:00 last night, they're gone

19 10:28:00 tommost_f225 What broke?

19 10:30:00 andy7534211 I was running a backup script last night and accidentally started restoring the wiki database from the backup, which I canceled because restoring from a just made backup is silly.

19 10:31:00 andy7534211 turns out mysqldump puts in DROP TABLE commands by default and doesn't use transactions so some of the tables got deleted and only partially restored

19 10:31:00 andy7534211 i guess there must have been a cached versions of the pages laying around because when I want to test it afterwards it seemed to be working fine

19 10:33:00 andy7534211 anyway, i restored it (completely this time) from the backup so it should be working again

19 10:35:00 Morasique andy7534211: woo!

19 10:35:00 Morasique i thought at first you meant you were restoring while backing up

19 10:35:00 Morasique that might not have ended well

19 10:37:00 andy7534211 yea, i should probably set up an automated backup system, but right now

19 10:37:00 andy7534211 *but not right now

19 10:38:00 andy7534211 i'm going on a pot of coffee and 2 hours of sleep at the moment so I think any system maintenance would end poorly..

19 10:43:00 andy7534211 and with that, i'm going back to bed

19 22:13:00 tommost_laptop chtr: Install ntpd.

19 22:14:00 chtr tommost_laptop: it's installed on both my laptop and my server; freya doesn't run it, though

19 22:14:00 tommost_laptop That's a problem.

20 09:23:00 zz the ssl certs been fixed?

20 09:29:00 chtr tgoogle.com

20 09:29:00 chtr hey, wait, you're not vimperator!

20 09:32:00 zz anyone else still getting the go-daddy ssl error?

20 11:32:00 kleinjt_lug is tibia mounted anywhere on the LUG server? /mnt/tibia seems empty

20 11:35:00 chtr i doubt that it is, as it'd need to be mounted as someone's kerberos account

20 11:36:00 chtr a fuse samba client would probably be nice to have...

20 12:12:00 Morasique i'm not sure why this never occurred to me before: find . -name .svn | xargs -n1 rm -rf

20 12:32:00 andy753421 because you can use rm -rf **/.svn/

20 12:33:00 Morasique oh yeah, i just checked my history, i've done that before. i'm not sure why i suddenly forgot

20 13:34:00 zz anyone figure out the ssl cert issue?

20 15:10:00 tommost1 Goddamn fucking Flash!

20 15:11:00 Morasique hugs tommost_laptop

20 15:11:00 tommost_laptop goes and cries in a corner

21 01:58:00 andy753421 i hate getting stack dumps in dmesg..

21 02:04:00 andy753421 su

21 03:52:00 kleinjt_lug Password:

21 12:35:00 andy753421 so, http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/{svn,trac,docs}/project_name/ or http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/project_name/{svn,trac,docs}/

21 12:41:00 collinjc-eee andy75342: Doesn't the first assume a shared database among all projects?

21 12:43:00 andy753421 not really, you could have separate svn repositories below /svn/ (or whatever else) like it is now (http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/)

21 12:47:00 andy753421 or maybe both? i.e. have everything that's actually mean for a browser under /project/<name> or something, but then still have /svn/ because it's a different services than http

21 13:21:00 TBoneULS anyone coming to lug?

21 13:21:00 TBoneULS we have 3 people here right now

21 13:26:00 TBoneULS ZetaSyanthis: you are filled and filled with fail.

21 15:24:00 Morasique oh yeah, lug is today. oops

21 15:26:00 tommost_laptop Morasique--

21 15:26:00 Morasique did anything happen? i assume chtr wasn't done with that clock yet

21 15:26:00 tommost_laptop No, and ZetaSyanthis didn't bring in the robot, either.

21 15:27:00 Morasique well, what the hell

21 21:27:00 Morasique http://8bitb.us/insert-picture-of-yak-bunny-chimera

21 21:27:00 Morasique shudders

21 21:28:00 chtr you should try it out

21 21:29:00 Morasique how about you try it out

21 21:30:00 chtr i would, but i don't have emacs :)

21 23:04:00 tommost_laptop I spent a few very confused minutes trying to figure out why vim was going crazy before I realized that caps lock was on.

21 23:12:00 andy753421 hehe, a common mistake

21 23:18:00 crr yeah, having an .xbindkeysrc that rebinds caps lock is convenient for avoiding that sort of thing

21 23:20:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/zmc3rL59.html

21 23:21:00 Morasique http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m5b51d02e

21 23:23:00 andy753421 that looks to be better than mine.. but i don't feel like messing with it now

21 23:31:00 Morasique i just realized shift+caps lock+something is a whole new set of hotkeys i'd never considered binding before

21 23:31:00 Morasique this is exciting

21 23:32:00 Morasique oh, control and alt work too. i swore i tried this once and it didn't

21 23:32:00 tommost_laptop I've thought about that before... I figured that it couldn't be bound easily or it would be done often.

21 23:32:00 Morasique i use caps lock+letter to open applications, but apparently i can mix it with all the other modifier keys too

21 23:33:00 andy753421 i just use mod4+letter

21 23:33:00 andy753421 i can't remember 26 hotkeys as it is

21 23:33:00 Morasique mod4 is super, right?

21 23:33:00 tommost_laptop I don't have any hotkeys to launch apps under awesome, strangely enough.

21 23:33:00 Morasique i used to use that, but awesome has super+just about everything bound to wm stuff

21 23:33:00 tommost_laptop I used to have tons under Compiz.

21 23:34:00 andy753421 it's the windows keys

21 23:34:00 Morasique yeah

21 23:34:00 andy753421 i thought super was alt or shift or something?

21 23:34:00 tommost_laptop No, mod4.

21 23:35:00 andy753421 ah, wmii uses alt (mod1) for all it's bindings

21 23:36:00 Morasique i think you're thinking of meta, meta is alt. super is win

21 23:36:00 Morasique i try to avoid binding ctrl and alt since apps use them a lot

21 23:37:00 Morasique and emacs uses every combination of ctrl, alt, and anything

21 23:37:00 andy753421 yea, i avoid ctrl/alt because of apps/wms

21 23:37:00 tommost_laptop Yeah, I don't touch Alt.

21 23:38:00 andy753421 i guess I have alt+enter as terminal because wmii bound that by default

21 23:38:00 andy753421 and i use ctrl+arrows for controlling mpd

21 23:38:00 andy753421 but that's just because right ctrl is close to the arrows

21 23:39:00 Morasique i use pause for terminal, i think it's the first hotkey i ever bound

21 23:39:00 tommost_laptop F1 for terminal for me.

21 23:39:00 Morasique ah yes, i remember that now

21 23:39:00 tommost_laptop It's nice because you don't have to do anything special to get it to work in Gnome, you can just use the applet.

21 23:39:00 andy753421 pause/f1 are to far away

21 23:40:00 Morasique spoken like a true vim user

21 23:41:00 Morasique when i set my hands on the keyboard my fingers are on caps lock, w, 3/e, space, i, 9/0, -, and ]. nothing is too far away

21 23:41:00 tommost_laptop F1 is close enough on my laptop.

21 23:42:00 andy753421 Morasique: how the hell do you type?

21 23:42:00 Morasique skillz

21 23:42:00 Morasique i don't understand that home row silliness

21 23:42:00 tommost_laptop s/z/zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz/

21 23:42:00 Morasique tommost_laptop: ty

21 23:43:00 chtr s/.$/&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&/

21 23:43:00 tommost_laptop Ah yes, I'd forgotten what the character was.

21 23:50:00 andy753421 s/.$/\=repeat(submatch(0),100)

21 23:51:00 tommost_laptop andy753421: Is that sed syntax?

21 23:51:00 andy753421 vim

21 23:51:00 tommost_laptop Ah, cool.

21 23:52:00 andy753421 = is nice

21 23:53:00 andy753421 for example, :abbr __date <C-R>=system("echo -n `date`")<CR><CR>----------------------------

22 00:04:00 Morasique i was just thinking it'd be nice if du let you skip certain folders. turns out it does

22 04:35:00 tommost_laptop I love the way Thunderbird freezes up when you try to open an e-mail with a large attachment on an IMAP server.

22 04:35:00 tommost_laptop Oh wait, no, I hate that.

22 18:55:00 andy7534211 suggestions for a good hex editor?

22 19:10:00 Morasique i use emacs :/

22 19:11:00 Morasique eix hex?

22 19:29:00 andy7534211 yea, vim comes with `xxd' which converts binary to hex and back, but it kind of sucks to use

23 15:35:00 kleinjt_lug lug shirts!

23 15:37:00 chtr that came out of nowhere

23 15:38:00 kleinjt_lug chtr: no, it didn't.

23 15:38:00 chtr i must be missing something

23 15:39:00 kleinjt_lug I was reminded by the recently changed wiki

23 21:53:00 tommost_laptop Yeah, shirts would be nice.

23 21:55:00 chtr i vote we use trajan as the font

23 21:55:00 chtr or some other nice all-caps font

23 22:55:00 kleinjt computer modern?

24 08:01:00 chtr meh, i'm not a huge fan of computer modern, and i don't think it would look right on that shirt

24 14:45:00 dpick anyone had issues installing awesome 3 on ubuntu 9.04?

24 15:15:00 Blazeix yay, chromium is usable on linux now.

24 15:16:00 Blazeix last time I tried it right-clicking crashed the browser, but looks like that's been fixed.

25 14:54:00 Hudsonmc does anybody have any other recommendations for a umpc other than ubuntu umpc? There are only .img files available for umpc and my computer doensn't boot from usb . . . correctly.

25 14:55:00 Hudsonmc or a way to boot .img files from a cd?

25 15:07:00 Blazeix I think whatever you use to burn iso files should be able to burn img files

25 15:07:00 Blazeix I'm pretty sure wodim can handle them

25 18:52:00 octavious http://www.uzbl.org

25 18:54:00 octavious via reddit : minimal browser based on webkit

25 18:57:00 tommost Woo-hoo, a browser so bare bones it doesn't do caching without external scripts...

25 19:10:00 octavious sounds perfect

25 19:26:00 andy753421 that does sound nice

25 19:26:00 andy753421 does it run a separate process for each webpage?

25 19:26:00 andy753421 seems like that might cause latency issues :/

25 19:42:00 chtr yeah, i meant to check that out and build it

25 19:42:00 chtr octavious: that's a pretty cool dog, by the way

25 19:43:00 octavious heh, you stalking me?

25 19:43:00 chtr you were right behind my apartment ;) i was going to come out on my porch and say something, but you went in before i could

25 19:43:00 octavious its my girlfriend's beagle

25 19:44:00 chtr yeah, i'd seen it around before, just never with you attached to it, haha

25 19:47:00 octavious yeah, hows living at the VQ anyway? i will be living there all summer.

25 19:50:00 chtr not too bad, really. old appliances (my stove really sucks quite a lot) gets on my nerves, but other than that i don't really have any complaints

25 19:50:00 chtr what'll you be doing over the summer?

25 19:58:00 octavious nothing

25 19:58:00 octavious at least, i have nothing planned yet

25 19:58:00 octavious moving to austin in august

25 19:58:00 chtr ah yeah? i'll be there working for NI this summer

25 19:58:00 octavious awesome, thats where I am working :D

25 19:59:00 octavious after 2 internships, i determined austin is pretty amazing and NI is pretty cool too

25 19:59:00 chtr yeah, i'm looking forward to austin. lexington this summer had less going on than i would have hoped

25 20:01:00 octavious you are 21, right?

25 20:01:00 octavious plenty of drinking in austin, if thats your thing

25 20:01:00 octavious really awesome jazz bar i found called the elephant room

25 20:01:00 chtr yeah, sadly i'm not yet

25 20:01:00 chtr is it as strict as indiana, where you can't even get into a lot of places without being 21? or is it more like MI?

25 20:02:00 octavious yeah, i think you have to be 21 to be in bars :\

25 20:02:00 chtr ah, that's kinda sad.

25 20:03:00 octavious what group are you working with within NI?

25 20:05:00 chtr modular instruments software

25 20:05:00 chtr apparently interviewed with someone in the group you're in, i can't recall his name though

25 20:05:00 chtr s/apparently/& i /

25 20:06:00 octavious ah, cool. you know where you are living down there?

25 20:06:00 chtr ``marquis at great hills''

25 20:06:00 chtr perhaps move -> #rhnoise, this is rather off topic, hehe

25 20:59:00 Blazeix uzbl browser is really cool, though I'm not sure I can live without tabs.

25 21:00:00 Blazeix hm, awesome supports tabs via tabulous doesn't it? I'll mess around with that.

25 21:15:00 Morasique i never liked tabulous, but yeah, in theory it does

25 22:35:00 octavious uzbl is promising. definitely going to see what i can do with it via scripting..

25 22:37:00 Morasique this does look really cool

25 22:37:00 Morasique emergency lug presentation on thursday

25 22:37:00 andy753421 it looks interesting, unfortunately I don't have time to play with it right now :/

25 22:37:00 octavious i FINALLY got it built and working :)

25 22:38:00 andy753421 octavious: you should make an ebuild

25 22:38:00 octavious after I had to rebuild webkit-gtk a few times

25 22:38:00 andy753421 does it use autoconf?

25 22:38:00 octavious andy753421: i think there is one up on bugs.gentoo.org

25 22:38:00 octavious no

25 22:38:00 andy753421 hm, custom makefile, or some stupid thing involving python?

25 22:38:00 octavious custom makefile + pkg-config

25 22:38:00 andy753421 ok, that's not to bad then

25 22:39:00 Morasique apparently this project started april 27th. how far can they possibly be?

25 22:39:00 andy753421 octavious: so does it use separate process for each page?

25 22:39:00 octavious andy753421: yes

25 22:39:00 andy753421 that could actually be nice, considering how buggy webkit-gtk is

25 22:40:00 Morasique http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270995

25 22:40:00 andy753421 midori segfaults all the time :/

25 22:40:00 octavious the philosophy i think is that your X wm should handle tabs

25 22:40:00 octavious hmm, i am curious how difficult it would be to implement tabs though. scripting for multiple seperate instances would be a nightmare

25 22:40:00 octavious especially because it opens a new fifo/socket for each instance

25 22:40:00 andy753421 yea, i figured that, but i wasn't sure if maybe it was just spawning multiple windows form the same process like urxvtd

25 22:42:00 octavious well, its vi-ness is appealing because its not done through js like vimperator :)

25 22:42:00 andy753421 tabs in gtk are pretty easy, i'm not sure how easy it'd be to integrate with uzbl though

25 22:42:00 andy753421 haha, yea

25 22:42:00 octavious hmm. might be an interesting side project

25 22:42:00 andy753421 ah hell, /me goes and clone's it's git repo

25 22:44:00 octavious andy753421: maybe use libixp for tab/window control similar to how wmii does IPC for windows management. might make scripting easier and tickle your p9 fancy

25 22:45:00 octavious actually i like that idea the more and more i think about it...

25 22:57:00 andy753421 i hope they/webkit implement a cache sometime soon

25 23:45:00 Blazeix octavious, andy753421, uzbl started out as an Arch community project. The announcement is on the forum here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700&p=1

25 23:45:00 Blazeix I mention it because they talked about tabbing

25 23:45:00 Blazeix There's some basic code that concerns adding tabs, though I haven't tried it.

25 23:47:00 octavious cool. i will have to take a look

26 01:24:00 andy753421 `Children who aren't vaccinated against whooping cough are 23 times more likely to develop the disease than children who get all of their shots on time, a new study shows.' - USA Today

26 01:24:00 andy753421 they make it sounds like thats supposed to be surprising or something..

26 01:25:00 andy753421 also, `Whooping cough' is a great name for a disease

26 01:27:00 Morasique i didn't even know we vaccinated for whooping cough

26 01:28:00 Morasique "Pertussis, also known as the whooping cough, is a lowly contagious disease". i'm not sure if "lowly" has some medical meaning or if they're just making fun of it

26 09:49:00 octavious wow, i passed all of my classes this quarter

26 09:49:00 octavious that means i can graduate on time yay

26 09:53:00 Morasique either uzbl is blazingly fast or my firefox install has gotten slow over time

26 09:53:00 octavious probably both

26 09:57:00 tommost I had wooping cough. It sucked.

26 09:58:00 tommost I managed to sprain my chest and had to go on ibuprofen for the pain.

26 09:59:00 octavious damn, that sounds pretty miserable

26 10:00:00 tommost It lasted for months, too.

26 10:00:00 tommost Coughing sucks.

26 10:02:00 Morasique sounds thoroughly un-lowly

26 10:05:00 Blazeix being on reddit really raised uzbl's profile. I joined #uzbl last night and there were 40 people in it. They were amazed that they had more than 10 people. Now they have 70 people.

26 10:07:00 Morasique was it on reddit? i totally missed it

26 10:09:00 Blazeix I didn't see it either, but octavious caught it.

26 10:09:00 tommost I saw it, actually.

26 10:09:00 tommost Front page of proggit.

26 10:09:00 Blazeix Morasique: I mentioned the browser conkeror a while back. It looks very similar to uzbl, but defaults to emacs bindings.

26 10:10:00 Morasique i tried conkerer a while ago when i was first trying vimperator, but i prefer the latter

26 10:11:00 tommost Does uzbl do whatever Chromium does to isolate plugins?

26 10:12:00 Morasique by not having them, yes

26 10:12:00 tommost Woo-hoo.

26 10:12:00 tommost Take that, Flash.

26 10:13:00 Morasique hmm. it does support flash, how does that work? is it built into webkit?

26 10:15:00 Blazeix Morasique: yeah

26 10:15:00 Morasique fancy

26 10:16:00 tommost Er, what? Support for loading the Flash plugin is built in but not anything else?

26 10:17:00 Morasique do you know what webkit is?

26 10:17:00 tommost Yes, of course.

26 10:17:00 tommost Why would it special case libflashplayer.so? Why not just load everything in the plugins directory?

26 10:19:00 Morasique i assumed it wasn't actually using the plugin. if it is it probably does support them all

26 10:19:00 Morasique apparently it supports anything that follows the netscape plugin api

26 10:19:00 tommost I've tried non-Adobe Flash players; they aren't really there yet.

26 10:19:00 tommost Okay, yeah, that's what I'd expect.

26 10:22:00 andy753421 last time i tried the java plugin with webkit it failed :/

26 10:22:00 andy753421 some function is missing or something

26 11:04:00 Blazeix I just found this browser: http://projects.ring0.de/webkitbrowser/

26 11:04:00 Blazeix much more vimmy out of the box than uzbl

26 11:09:00 Morasique is it controlled via script? i care about that much more

26 11:11:00 Blazeix I'm not sure. The source is only one large file, so I haven't been able to bring myself to read through it.

26 11:13:00 Blazeix oh wow, the main.c file starts out by #defining about a page of raw javascript right in the source

26 11:16:00 Blazeix Morasique: have you played around with uzblctrl?

26 11:16:00 Morasique Blazeix: just to load google once to make sure i understood how scripts work

26 18:09:00 Morasique xnest is cool. i don't know how i never discovered this

26 22:06:00 tommost_lug For some reason awesome doesn't work when I run fglrx, so I'm in Pekwm right now.

26 22:06:00 tommost_lug I'm wondering why I have it installed.

26 22:10:00 tommost_lug Hm, actually, awesome starts all right if I log in under the "Gnome" session.

26 22:10:00 tommost_lug Unfortunately that also means gnome-panel is running.

26 22:10:00 chtr i think pekwm is the wm i used for the longest consecutive time

26 22:19:00 Blazeix I'm messing around with Pida, a python IDE. It wraps around gvim or emacs, and it seems pretty cool.

26 22:20:00 Blazeix As it starts it says: "Pida is starting... and it *loves* you!"

26 23:54:00 tommost_lug Blazeix: I tried that for a little while. My impression was that it's buggy.

26 23:54:00 tommost_lug But I can't recall exactly what the problem was.

26 23:54:00 tommost_lug I also was trying to learn vim at the same time, so...

27 11:43:00 Morasique this seems quite backwards: http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m872de50

27 15:57:00 andy753421 sudo rm -rf /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon

27 15:57:00 andy753421 i guess the -r was unnecessarily...

28 13:40:00 tommost_lug Is du smart enough to not count hardlinked files twice?

28 13:41:00 tommost_lug Ah, yes, it looks like it is.

28 13:42:00 Morasique yeah, you need -l to make it count them

28 13:43:00 tommost_lug Which means rsync's --link-dest isn't working. :(

28 13:44:00 Morasique ooo, that's cool

28 13:44:00 Morasique that pretty much lets you implement fossil via rsync

28 14:06:00 chtr no?

28 14:11:00 tommost_lug Gaaah! Why doesn't it work?!

28 14:28:00 Morasique chtr: isn't fossil the thing that makes daily folders and hardlinks unchanged files?

28 14:28:00 Morasique i thought it was

28 14:32:00 tommost_lug " If DIR is a relative path, it is relative to the destination directory."

28 14:32:00 tommost_lug Huh? Why?

28 14:35:00 chtr well, kinda, but each daily folder is a complete snapshot, and it's usually used with venti to do block-level coalescing

28 14:51:00 Morasique well, these are complete snapshots, just with magical hardlinking to avoid taking up tons of space

28 14:52:00 Morasique tommost_lug: so you can restore the backup and have everything exactly the way it was

28 19:15:00 Morasique it's amazing how many people show up in #uzbl complaining that it won't build when they don't have webkit installed

28 19:16:00 andy7534211 what? you mean they didn't write their own rendering engine in 2000 lines of code?

28 20:03:00 tommost The secret to making Flash not mess up PulseAudio: keep an audio app open but paused so that it blocks the ALSA device and Flash doesn't have any choice but to go through PA.

28 20:04:00 Morasique the backup secret to making flash not mess up pulseaudio: uninstall pulseaudio

28 20:04:00 tommost But then you can't use its useful features.

28 20:06:00 tommost http://haikucomics.com/2009/05/27/jailbreak

28 20:06:00 tommost Oh, hmm, wrong window.

28 21:04:00 andy7534211 it should be illegal to create two fields called `request_body' and `response_body' in the same structure

29 16:12:00 tommost Somehow my awesome .Xsession script fails under fglrx but not radeonhd.

29 16:12:00 tommost :(

29 16:43:00 Morasique tommost: switch to compiz

29 16:43:00 tommost Yes, because radeonhd supports 3D so well.

29 17:27:00 Morasique java appears to be totally non-functional on the lug server

29 17:27:00 Morasique http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m6f32aff7

29 17:32:00 Morasique well, manually specifying the min/max heap size gets around it for now

29 17:33:00 andy7534211 Morasique: that's due to the default address space limits

29 17:33:00 andy7534211 apparently java thinks it needs more than a gig to even start :/

29 17:33:00 Morasique odd

29 19:13:00 tommost The Ubuntu dist-upgrade is complaining that there is no version of fglrx available for my hardware under 9.04. I'm pretty sure that's not true.

29 19:15:00 tommost Stupid dist-upgrade wants to install f-spot, too. I hate that stupid program.

29 19:18:00 tommost A gigabyte of packages to download? nvmkthxbai

29 19:32:00 tommost Woo-hoo, I fixed Gnome.

29 19:33:00 tommost At some point I set the Gnome window manager to be awesome. This broke things, and I forgot I'd done so so I was confused.

30 19:37:00 rhkratos so I just moved my server to its new location for the summer...box has a 5 drive lvm raid5....and the fs had errors earlier, so after a fsck, got itself clean...and now it has errors again, and smart and lvm are saying the raid is fine...any ideas?

30 19:38:00 rhkratos it's ext3 fs

30 19:39:00 rhkratos looking in the syslog it's saying that a error occured from the previous mount, and it marks it as needing fsck....but I just ran it....

30 19:41:00 rhkratos "journal_bmap: journal block not found at offset 12 on dm-0" then it aborts the journal on the device....which is causing it to remount RO

31 13:14:00 jboticsource http://tuxradar.com/content/spice-your-lug

31 13:41:00 chtr lug should definitely start meeting for food instead of in the CS lab

31 13:42:00 chtr s/instead of in/perhaps in addition to/

31 14:33:00 Morasique "Beer and Linux seem to make a natural partnership"

31 16:11:00 Morasique also, i can't help but notice rhlug has a very weak presence on myspace. we should work on that

31 17:06:00 jboticsource we need a mylug

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