31 19:01:00 chtr first
31 19:02:00 Morasique you're very lucky andy never changed the access list for this channel
31 19:02:00 chtr hm?
31 19:03:00 Morasique i can't kick you
31 19:03:00 chtr oh, right.
31 19:45:00 Morasique this might be the most jackass response to a mailing list question i've ever seen: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-June/327642.html
31 19:46:00 chtr haven't read openbsd's mailing lists much, eh?
31 19:53:00 Morasique i will give somebody a quarter to tell me how to use "super" in python
31 19:54:00 Morasique all i keep finding are that there's a different between "old" and "new" style classes. apparently i'm using the "old" style
31 19:59:00 Morasique oh, i figured it out
31 19:59:00 Morasique you guys are useless
31 19:59:00 andy753421 s/you guys are/OOP is/
31 19:59:00 andy753421 malloc > super
31 20:11:00 Morasique huh? malloc and super aren't even related
31 20:11:00 Morasique green > pillows
31 20:14:00 andy753421 eh, i guess you have a point, python just uses magic syntax instead of function to allocate space
31 20:14:00 Morasique i am amazing: http://pastebin.com/m22eeefc3
31 20:16:00 chtr hah, fuse filesystem for registration page?
31 20:16:00 Morasique schedule lookup, i don't know if that's what "registration page" is
31 20:16:00 chtr erm, right
31 20:16:00 chtr cool
31 20:21:00 andy753421 does this mean we have a presentation for next week?
31 20:25:00 Morasique i think Blazeix is doing django
31 20:25:00 Morasique yeah, he just said he is
31 20:25:00 Morasique i can do fuse at some point, whenever we don't have one
31 21:01:00 Morasique gah: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xy2g3N79xiI/SYOleikWfVI/AAAAAAAAAcc/4PiJc4LIBnE/s400/GnomeDO.png
31 21:02:00 Morasique who would do such a thing?
31 21:02:00 chtr i could probably name a few people
31 21:03:00 Morasique i continue to not understand the "dock" concept, i should try it i suppose
31 21:03:00 Morasique except it would require mouse usage
31 22:25:00 Morasique this is a good idea: http://www.mrl.nyu.edu/~dhowe/trackmenot/
31 22:26:00 chtr oh, new ati drivers were released the other day
31 22:26:00 chtr let's see if these will actually work...
31 22:26:00 chtr Morasique: that is cool
31 22:29:00 tommost That's awesome.
31 22:39:00 chtr why does ati hate me?
31 22:40:00 tommost You're a Linux user.
31 22:40:00 tommost Sorry.
31 22:40:00 chtr the drivers used to work fine for me
31 22:40:00 chtr now i can't start in anything but 800x600
31 22:43:00 chtr no wait, i'm in 1280x768
31 22:44:00 chtr that might be an improvement...
31 22:50:00 Blazeix So, Christina Price contacted me about embroidering shirts with Tux logos for LUG. If you're interested, here's the email:
31 22:50:00 Blazeix http://pastebin.com/m4c9c1fc4
31 22:53:00 Blazeix Here's what it would look like: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~fuquawa/tux.png
31 23:06:00 tommost Blazeix: You should ask her how the other designs we came up with would work.
31 23:31:00 andy753421 embroidering tux seems like a bad idea
31 23:31:00 andy753421 unless it's a really small one
31 23:32:00 tommost We simplified it a lot for the other designs. That should work better.
01 03:06:00 Blazeix Wow, I saw an article about gnome-do, so I figured I would try it out. Its ~650KB, but it wants to pull in 213MB of dependancies.
01 03:17:00 Morasique i tried gnome do once, i didn't really like it
01 03:17:00 Morasique nothing is faster than dmenu bound to a hotkey
01 03:17:00 Morasique no matter what clever new spin they put on it
01 03:25:00 tommost It's written in Mono. Lame.
01 03:32:00 Morasique mono isn't a language
01 03:34:00 tommost sighs.
01 03:34:00 tommost It's written in C#, and throws a Mono exception when I try to run it.
01 03:37:00 tommost Mono does imply C#, right? I mean, I hope that Mono doesn't do VB.NET.
01 03:37:00 Morasique it can run anything built for the CLR
01 03:37:00 Morasique i think the only compiler it has is C#
01 03:39:00 andy753421 in better news, ruby 1.9.1 was released!
01 03:39:00 tommost Oh, cool. That's the faster one, right?
01 03:39:00 andy753421 and unlinke all normal languages, the ruby has a .1 release as the first stable release :P
01 03:40:00 andy753421 tommost: yep
01 03:40:00 andy753421 although, it's still not _really_ fast
01 03:41:00 tommost Ruby's pretty difficult to make fast, isn't it?
01 03:41:00 andy753421 i would assume so
01 03:49:00 andy753421 oh awesome, i think i can totally simply the curin runtime if i switch to 1.9.1
01 03:49:00 tommost Aren't you writing a compiler for that at some point?
01 03:49:00 andy753421 yea.. i'm supposed to be doing that this term
01 03:50:00 andy753421 although, i haven't make much progress on it yet because i've been pretty busy with other stuff so far. e.g. grad school and weather stuff
01 03:50:00 andy753421 and i have to finish the lit review still too :/
01 03:54:00 crr where are you going to grad school?
01 03:54:00 andy753421 not sure yet, they don't get back to you till march/april
01 03:55:00 crr I see
01 03:55:00 crr where are you most hopeful to be accepted to?
01 03:55:00 andy753421 i don't really know, CMU seems to be the best one for programming languages, but they're really hard to get into
01 03:56:00 andy753421 CU - Boulder seem interesting too, since they do stuff with programming languages as well as meteorology
01 03:57:00 crr meterology? as in, predicting the weather?
01 03:57:00 andy753421 yea, that's one of my side interests
01 03:57:00 crr oh, I had no idea
01 03:58:00 andy753421 i worked on some weather-ish stuff this past summer
01 03:58:00 andy753421 it's pretty interesting, i think if I were to get a SE-ish job I would want it to be dealing with weather stuff
01 03:59:00 andy753421 e.g. http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/AWeather
01 03:59:00 andy753421 i've been meaning to work on that some more, but haven't had time for that either
01 04:00:00 andy753421 so if anyone's taking computer graphics anytime soon and wants to make 3d blogs out of gridded data let me know ;)
01 04:00:00 crr Dr. Leader was telling us in class (Numerical Analysis) one day that there's software today that accurately predicts the weather three days in advance ... but it takes two weeks to run
01 04:00:00 andy753421 that depends on your definition of `accurately' ;)
01 04:00:00 crr as in, virtually guaranteed to be correct
01 04:01:00 andy753421 that probably depends again on how specific it is
01 04:01:00 andy753421 they're pretty good at saying `it's going to be hot' or `it's going to rain'
01 04:01:00 andy753421 but there's no way they could predict the exact amount of rain, or where a tornado is going to be
01 04:02:00 andy753421 also, two weeks on what computer ;)
01 04:03:00 crr I didn't really follow up - it was a side note he used to make a point that numerical analysis algorithms need to be efficient (once the data is received in that case, it's 11 days too late)
01 04:03:00 crr but now I am kind of curious as to how much research is done into that sort of thing
01 04:04:00 andy753421 predicting weather, or making things efficient?
01 04:04:00 andy753421 really, you need to making things parallel
01 04:04:00 crr predicting the weather (everyone researches making things efficient)
01 04:04:00 andy753421 crr: lots
01 04:05:00 andy753421 i got back from a conference a couple weeks ago with ~3000 people that were doing weather research
01 04:06:00 crr I guess I'm just not sure where the economics comes in - even if you can predict the weather, you can't *change* it
01 04:07:00 crr so unless you could get a prediction of the "this whole season will be a wet one" sort, I don't see how much good it would do
01 04:07:00 andy753421 a lot of the reason for it is that you can change the way you act based on i
01 04:07:00 andy753421 *it
01 04:08:00 andy753421 things like issuing severe weather warnings, and predicting the paths of hurricanes are pretty important
01 04:08:00 andy753421 there's also a semi-large group of people that actually research weather modification
01 04:09:00 crr have they found anything?
01 04:09:00 andy753421 sort of, cloud seeding is one of the more important ones, and that seems to actually work
01 04:10:00 andy753421 e.g. they drop a bunch of silver iodide into the air and it provides something for the water vapor to condense on which forms a cloud
01 04:10:00 andy753421 so you can make it rain more over farms and less over other areas
01 04:10:00 andy753421 i think china did that for the 2008 olympics
01 04:10:00 crr clever
01 04:10:00 andy753421 quite of few US states do that as well
01 04:11:00 crr that would make sense, especially around here where we've got a ton of farmland
01 05:32:00 andy753421 woo, vi vs. emacs poll on slashdot
01 05:32:00 andy753421 (vi is winning, naturally)
01 06:25:00 shadghost andy753421: link?
01 11:37:00 chtr i'm really scared that the slashdot poll considers word to be a ``text editor''
01 11:45:00 kleinjt I'm dissapointed joe isn't an option.
01 11:46:00 chtr kleinjt: sure it is: ``CowboyNeal is my scribe''
01 11:59:00 kleinjt I think you meant "other"
01 18:29:00 andy753421 apparently the new parts for the server are just now getting ordered.. so it'll probably be another week
01 18:31:00 Morasique andy753421--
01 18:31:00 andy753421 hey, don't decrement the messenger
01 18:33:00 andy753421 last tuesday: `I'll try to order those later today.' ... today: `I am just now ordering those extra parts...Sorry for the delay.'
01 18:34:00 andy753421 oh well
01 18:34:00 andy753421 if i get bored i may just install on the hard disk we have
01 18:46:00 Morasique "PHP is a minor evil perpetrated and created by incompetent amateurs, whereas Perl is a great and insidious evil perpetrated by skilled but perverted professionals."
01 18:47:00 tommost Poetic.
01 18:48:00 Morasique there's a big list of programming quotes on reddit, some of which i actually haven't seen
01 18:48:00 Morasique "XML is like violence - if it's not working for you, you're not using enough of it."
01 18:48:00 Morasique that is a handy template, you can put anything for the first word
01 18:49:00 chtr i've used the XML one many times
01 18:51:00 tommost You've only used it one time?
01 18:51:00 Morasique parsing fail?
01 18:52:00 Morasique "Perl - The only language that looks the same before and after RSA encryption."
01 18:52:00 tommost Ah, yeah. I read "I've used XML one too many times."
01 18:54:00 Morasique "The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance."
01 21:18:00 Morasique somebody mentioned linux on reddit and somebody else commented with "i think you mean gnu/linux"
01 21:18:00 Morasique i thought that debate died a decade ago
01 23:38:00 Morasique anybody know if mediawiki can run on rose's web servers?
02 00:05:00 andy753421 that's interesting, gcc doesn't support putting declarations inside case statements
02 00:08:00 chtr that makes sense
02 00:10:00 chtr it looks like it works if you enclose it in a block, which takes care of why i thought it made sense by not allowing it
02 00:13:00 Morasique it seems common in languages to not consider case blocks their own namespace, which totally confuses me
02 00:13:00 Morasique like switch(foo) { case 1: int a = 0; break; case 2: int a = 1; break; } isn't allowed because of a duplicate definition
02 00:13:00 chtr well, to me it makes sense, especially in c, since you can fall through
02 00:14:00 Morasique i would think fall through wouldn't rely on past declarations, since they didn't necessarily happen
02 00:19:00 Morasique wow. this actually builds in java, i didn't expect that: http://pastebin.com/m242dfe81
02 00:19:00 Morasique it fails in gcc like andy753421 said
02 00:21:00 Morasique it also optimized nothing. i'm disappointed java
02 00:22:00 chtr well, i would think that by optimizing away the rest of the switch is the only way it could build..
02 00:23:00 Morasique it left it, it actually does the lookupswitch (jvm instruction for switch) on the constant '0'
02 00:23:00 Morasique it even has the goto for the impossible case 1
02 00:23:00 chtr that makes no sense
02 00:24:00 Morasique noted
02 00:25:00 Morasique sadly, you can't declare a variable in a later case block and use it in an earlier one
02 00:25:00 Morasique i would've started doing that for maximum obfuscation
02 00:52:00 chtr haha
02 00:52:00 chtr aww...
02 00:56:00 Morasique T_T
02 10:53:00 octavious why must tables in LaTeX be so difficult..
02 10:53:00 Morasique they really are terrible
02 10:54:00 Morasique i didn't know about longtable/supertabular when i started using latex, i used to break my tables at page boundaries by hand, it was very sad
02 10:54:00 andy753421 i just avoid making tables larger than a few square inches
02 10:57:00 octavious well i made some pretty decent looking tables but it took me forever.
02 11:01:00 Morasique there's a whole chapter in the latex companion on tables and the miscellaneous packages that make them suck less
02 11:16:00 andy753421 echo 'swing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.gtk.GTKLookAndFeel' >>! /etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm/jre/lib/swing.properties
02 11:18:00 Morasique GTKLookAndFeel++, my senior project looked terrible on linux till i found that
02 11:18:00 Morasique what is >>! ?
02 11:19:00 andy753421 oh, i have zsh set to warn if you try to use > on an existing file or >> on a non-existing file, and ! overrides that
02 11:20:00 Morasique oh. cool
02 17:10:00 tommost Someone using VirtualBox on a non-Ubuntu distro: Does Tux's tambourine in the about box have an Ubuntu logo on it?
02 17:28:00 Blazeix tommost: yeah, it does
02 17:28:00 tommost How odd.
02 17:38:00 jboticsource http://www.catonmat.net/blog/unix-utilities-pipe-viewer/
02 18:13:00 tommost jboticsource: Awesome.
02 18:13:00 tommost Now we just need a progress indicator for cp and mv.
02 18:13:00 tommost And rsync.
02 18:15:00 Morasique tommost: pv
02 18:15:00 Morasique oh, i see. that conversation just went in a circle. i should read from oldest to newest when i check logs
02 18:16:00 tommost I don't think that pv does cp -r stuff... right?
02 18:17:00 Morasique you don't use it directly with cp, so no
02 18:17:00 Morasique i cat files through it usually, but it's slower than just copying them so i haven't used it in a while
02 18:30:00 tommost My SSHFS mounts to my desktop are reporting 0 bytes free for some reason. There's plenty of space on the other end.
02 18:30:00 tommost Any ideas?
02 18:36:00 chtr deja vu
02 18:38:00 Morasique is it actually a problem?
02 18:38:00 tommost Yes.
02 18:38:00 Morasique use samba
02 18:59:00 tommost df -h
02 18:59:00 tommost aorist:gunpowder 0.0K -0.0K 0.0K 107% /home/mosttw/gp
02 18:59:00 tommost Beautiful.
02 19:14:00 Morasique impressive
02 19:22:00 Morasique http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001221.html
02 19:23:00 Morasique "I think all programmers can agree on these three". apparently atwood doesn't use vim; i don't think vim users could care less about any of those
02 19:33:00 Morasique tommost: thanks for remembering our conversation, btw: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-05.log#line-1565
02 19:33:00 Morasique :)
02 19:34:00 tommost I'm not sure whether I forgot about pv because I was thinking about rsync, or whether it's because it's no good as a cp replacement.
02 19:34:00 chtr i hate keyboards that mangle the home key cluster
02 19:35:00 chtr but i like the placement of the keys on our keyboards
02 19:35:00 tommost I hate keyboards that don't dedicate the left half of the spacebar to a backspace key.
02 19:35:00 chtr right above backspace is a great location
02 19:35:00 Morasique tommost: who does that?
02 19:36:00 tommost I used a keyboard like that once in a library... it was profound. I have hated every keyboard I've used since.
02 19:36:00 Morasique i guess the spacebar is too big probably
02 19:37:00 tommost It
02 19:37:00 tommost 's such a waste of space.
02 20:14:00 tommost I think that it many not just be my built-in drive.
02 20:14:00 tommost An external DVD drive isn't showing up either.
02 20:15:00 Morasique when you turn it on does dmesg show anything?
02 20:16:00 tommost Yes.
02 20:16:00 tommost Just a sec.
02 20:17:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/115947/
02 20:18:00 Morasique i suppose i should've said dmesg | tail, i deserved that
02 20:18:00 Morasique it's not at /dev/sr0?
02 20:19:00 tommost Ah, so it is.
02 20:19:00 tommost k9copy is just being stupid.
02 20:19:00 Morasique :D you didn't check the place where chtr and i both said ours is?
02 20:19:00 tommost KDE--
02 20:20:00 tommost I thought I did, but apparently I fail.
02 20:20:00 Morasique i just realized this moved from #rhnoise to #rhlug without me even noticing
02 20:21:00 tommost In other news, k9copy sucks.
02 20:21:00 tommost It has a way of lying to you about what drives are available, and then crashing when you point it in the correct direction.
02 20:23:00 tommost Hmmm... there is a lot in my dmesg, isn't there.
02 20:23:00 tommost I just piped it to dpaste.
02 20:23:00 Morasique "python[2223]: segfault at f ip 00007fe18414038e sp 00007fff908707f0"
02 20:23:00 Morasique how did you manage that?
02 20:24:00 tommost Yeah, that scares me a bit.
02 20:24:00 tommost I have no idea whatsoever.
02 20:25:00 tommost I noticed that when I was trying to get a USB TV tuner working yesterday—that's what all the firmware stuff up top is about.
02 21:03:00 collinjc Anyone else having issues with the exchange server?
02 21:07:00 collinjc Hmm.. The issue seems to have corrected itself. I was getting SMTP errors in Thunderbird and a 404 when trying to access exchange.rose-hulman.edu
02 21:08:00 chtr strange. i haven't had any issues with webmail
02 21:08:00 tommost Probably something local. I haven't had any problems.
02 21:09:00 collinjc Must be.
02 22:14:00 collinjc chtr: How's your business class connection working out for you?
02 22:15:00 chtr pretty nicely, why?
02 22:16:00 collinjc Just wondering how localized our Internet issues are.
02 22:16:00 collinjc My entire building has been having issues.
02 22:16:00 chtr ah, i see. i think ZetaSyanthis1 said he was having issues as well
02 22:16:00 collinjc Our internet IP was 192.168.100.11 for a shockingly long period of time.
02 22:16:00 chtr i had issues last night with it being slow
02 22:17:00 chtr that's, uh, strange
02 22:18:00 collinjc Definitely. At first I thought it may have just been our modem until the people across the hall said that their modem was reporting the same 192.168 range.
02 22:18:00 chtr well, the modem normally sits at 192.168.100.1 on the external interface
02 22:18:00 chtr s/external/internal
02 22:19:00 collinjc Yes, but this was the modem's gateway.
02 22:19:00 collinjc The modem was at 192.168.100.1 and its gateway was set as 192.168.100.11.
02 22:19:00 chtr yeah, that's pretty crazy
02 22:24:00 Morasique the security lab's machines are set up on a 10.1.1.0 network with a default gateway of 192.168.100.1
02 22:24:00 Morasique when Blazeix and i tried to tell archana she claimed it was intentional
02 22:24:00 chtr what was the netmask?
02 22:25:00 Morasique /24 i think
02 22:25:00 chtr impressive
02 22:25:00 Morasique and yet not surprising
02 22:31:00 tommost http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Konqi-klogo-official-400x500_b.png
02 22:32:00 tommost Be scared. Very scared.
02 22:33:00 tommost Konqi is koming for you.
02 22:33:00 andy7534211 *Be Skared. Very skared.
03 00:05:00 tommost Morasique: So you're presenting that on Thursday?
03 00:06:00 Morasique no, Blazeix is presenting django
03 00:06:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2009-02.log#line-21
03 00:07:00 tommost Ah, I didn't realize that had solidified.
03 01:30:00 chtr how did i not know about the listings package in latex?
03 01:31:00 tommost You were once like me. You didn't know about the listings package in LaTeX.
03 01:34:00 Morasique there was a time when we were all as ignorant as tommost
03 01:34:00 Morasique a long, long time ago
03 01:35:00 tommost It's sad, being me.
03 01:35:00 tommost ...but now that I know about the listings package in LaTeX, I'm taking the first steps toward maturity.
03 01:36:00 tommost Soon enough I'll have all grown up to be just like you!
03 03:22:00 Morasique this man page has color; i didn't even know that was possible
03 03:50:00 shatly what one out of cureasouity
03 03:51:00 Morasique pdftools
03 03:52:00 andy7534211 apparently it uses the .URL troff macro
03 03:52:00 andy7534211 oh, the defined it
03 03:54:00 andy7534211 \\$2 \(laURL: \\$1 \(ra\\$3
03 03:54:00 andy7534211 however that works..
03 04:08:00 Morasique ah yes, troff macros. always so readable
03 09:44:00 killer_robot /clear/clear
03 09:44:00 tommost Fail.
03 11:53:00 Morasique "PdfDictionary is the Pdf dictionary object.". i love documentation
03 13:21:00 quark_ 13:21:19 <+kaboofa> "XML is like violence. If it's not solving your problems you're not using enough."
03 13:27:00 quark_ 13:27:18 <+ardnew> its also like gay sex
03 13:27:00 quark_ 13:27:21 <+ardnew> only faggots do it
03 13:27:00 quark_ :P
03 13:33:00 kleinjt 13:11 <@Morasique> i e-mailed shawn asking if he's free at 3:30 to meet for 375; he e-mailed me back just now saying he's free at 1. he confuses me
03 13:33:00 kleinjt er...
03 13:33:00 Morasique kleinjt: you really suck at that
03 13:33:00 kleinjt yeah,
03 13:33:00 kleinjt sorry about that
03 13:33:00 kleinjt I was going to mention that that quote was posted earlier
03 13:35:00 kleinjt at least irssi stops me if I try pasting more than a few lines
03 13:35:00 kleinjt y'all have been spared from at least a dozen or so lines of pastes today thanks to that
03 13:35:00 Morasique yeah, i like that feature
03 13:36:00 kleinjt and by pastes, I mean whatever I've been randomly selecting with my mouse while reading things
03 14:00:00 andy753421 yay we semi-officially have lab spac
03 14:00:00 andy753421 *space
03 14:02:00 andy753421 that is, we can keep stuff in the CS lab cabinets, and they don't mind if we have servers in the lab
03 14:02:00 andy753421 although, we'll eventually have to move the servers because they're making their usability lab thing
03 14:02:00 chtr that's good to hear
03 14:02:00 chtr (except the usability stuff)
03 14:03:00 andy753421 also, they're going to talk about the public/private subnet issues at their department meeting today
03 15:09:00 Morasique agrep is interesting; it's grep but it lets you specify the levenshtein distance matches can be from your search pattern
03 15:10:00 chtr oh, that's cool
03 15:42:00 Morasique http://awurl.com/M8R3hJRaK
03 17:16:00 tommost http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=2711&to=2712
03 21:02:00 Morasique wow. slashdot went over 16777216 comments. that is a lot of comments
03 21:59:00 Morasique http://www.dotnetdotcom.org/
03 21:59:00 Morasique ...
03 22:00:00 Morasique clearly that needs to be hosted on the lug server
03 22:00:00 Morasique if andy753421 ever assembles it
03 22:00:00 Morasique glares
03 22:06:00 andy753421 if only i had the parts for it
03 22:13:00 Morasique i don't want to hear your excuses
03 22:14:00 chtr i thought we essentially had everything
03 22:14:00 chtr well, enough to do an install that we could tar up when the other drives arrive
03 22:15:00 andy753421 hey, hush
03 22:16:00 chtr my esp is working especially well tonight
03 22:37:00 tommost kleinjt++
04 00:11:00 andy753421 is the schedule lookup page borked for anyone else?
04 00:12:00 tommost Yeah, looks broken to me.
04 00:13:00 andy753421 i blame Morasique
04 00:13:00 andy753421 Morasique/FUSE
04 00:14:00 tommost Support ticket filed.
04 00:14:00 chtr Morasique/FUSE/python
04 09:55:00 tommost What's the name of the font used in xterm?
04 09:56:00 tommost (The default.)
04 10:43:00 chtr 8x13
04 11:30:00 tommost The CS department's Ubuntu mirror seems to be down...
04 12:25:00 Guest97655 the schedule page was down for a while
04 12:25:00 Guest97655 hmm. i'm a guest now
04 12:25:00 Guest97655 interesting
04 14:03:00 Morasique is there a way to get cups to run a script when you print something? cups-pdf has a post-processing directive for it, but i can't find one for all printers
04 14:33:00 andy753421 steve just made a GNU joke..
04 14:33:00 chtr i've heard good things about his jokes, what was it?
04 14:33:00 andy753421 I missed the first part.. but the punchline was `well I've got some good GNUs and some bad GNUs' ...
04 14:34:00 chtr wow, that's awesome
04 14:42:00 Morasique steve made a funny joke during a client meeting a few weeks ago; sadly i can't remember what it was
04 14:42:00 Morasique it was amazing though, i didn't know he was capable
04 15:01:00 Morasique i never realized cups keeps a permanent record of all your print jobs. that seems unnecessary
04 15:02:00 Morasique i've printed 370 times this year
04 15:02:00 tommost I wonder if it keeps track of how many times it's been started.
04 15:02:00 tommost I have to start it manually every time I print.
04 15:03:00 Morasique tommost: rc-update add cupsd default
04 15:03:00 Morasique ...you're welcome
04 15:03:00 Morasique ln -s /etc/init.d/cupsd /etc/rc5.d/ i think?
04 15:03:00 Morasique something like that
04 15:04:00 tommost It's already there.
04 15:04:00 tommost It crashes a lot.
04 15:04:00 Morasique er. you should look into that
04 15:05:00 tommost It has ever since I used auchter's config file generation script.
04 15:05:00 Morasique well that was stupid of you
04 15:05:00 chtr works fine for me
04 15:05:00 tommost Agreed.
04 15:05:00 Morasique why did you need to generate the config file?
04 15:06:00 tommost I was really just messing around with the script.
04 15:06:00 tommost I was okay with the printers I already had installed.
04 15:06:00 tommost But I print so seldom that I've never bothered to fix it.
04 15:07:00 Morasique i thought i printed rarely. apparently i print 2.35 times/day
04 15:07:00 Morasique approximately
04 15:56:00 embrybd @tommost: I have to manually restart cups as well on my box, (used the auto config script) so something is wrong with it
04 16:00:00 Morasique what is this auto config script?
04 16:01:00 embrybd http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Image:Gencups.tar.bz2
04 16:02:00 Morasique i'm assuming everyone used the python version?
04 16:02:00 Morasique yeah, that's probably safe
04 16:02:00 embrybd yes the python version
04 16:04:00 chtr well, you can't blame me for that then.
04 16:04:00 Morasique so this just generates the ppds? why wouldn't you just use the archive of all of them?
04 16:05:00 embrybd archive doesn't have them all
04 16:05:00 embrybd (from what I remember)
04 16:05:00 Morasique why doesn't somebody update the archive then? i'm not seeing why you'd use a script for this
04 16:06:00 embrybd I agree, I was just playing with it, the python version dies when you run it anyway
04 16:06:00 Morasique tommost: well done
04 16:07:00 tommost It worked when I wrote it.
04 16:07:00 andy753421 i suggest that someone put those scripts under https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/
04 16:07:00 chtr better yet, put a cups configuration directory there
04 16:07:00 andy753421 true
04 16:08:00 Morasique i didn't even know that svn repo existed
04 16:08:00 andy753421 i enabled listing the parent path.. so now https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/ works
04 16:14:00 Morasique it looks like the script doesn't have any the archive doesn't have, so now i'm totally confused
04 16:14:00 Morasique although neither has the lab printers
04 16:15:00 chtr we should go through tomorrow and make sure we have all the printers in the academic buildings there
04 16:15:00 chtr and make sure they work, too.
04 16:16:00 Morasique s/we/chtr/g
04 16:19:00 kleinjt we could have a scavanger hunt. send a print job to every printer on campus and prizes for who collects the most.
04 16:19:00 Morasique i'm for it
04 16:19:00 chtr the CPEs would win
04 16:20:00 Morasique i'm trying to figure out why
04 16:20:00 chtr locked labs that have printers
04 16:20:00 Morasique ah. how come you get to lock your labs and we have MEs in ours?
04 16:21:00 chtr we don't have couches
04 16:21:00 Morasique that made no sense
04 16:21:00 kleinjt our labs have expensive equipment, and computers with floppy drives
04 16:21:00 chtr and no couches
04 16:22:00 Morasique kleinjt: that made more sense
04 16:22:00 Morasique chtr: you make no sense at all
04 16:22:00 Morasique i think our monitors are fairly expensive
04 16:23:00 kleinjt our labs have nice combination locks that keep out everyone who doesn't know the trick
04 16:23:00 chtr http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=OTp&q=spectrum+analyzer+agilent&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title
04 16:23:00 Morasique yes, we've discussed the locks and how they exist, i'm trying to figure out why we lock cpe labs and not cs labs
04 16:23:00 Morasique mostly because yet again a group of MEs came into the lab yesterday, laughed at everyone, and left
04 16:23:00 Morasique and i grow weary of that
04 16:24:00 Morasique chtr: your things costing more doesn't make ours cost less
04 16:25:00 chtr don't try to bring logic into this
04 16:25:00 Morasique our arguments devolve to that quite often
04 16:25:00 Morasique i should just start stealing monitors until they lock the labs
04 16:25:00 Morasique i should also announce these plans in #rhnoise
04 16:25:00 chtr they lock the labs at night
04 16:26:00 chtr and on the weekends, too
04 16:26:00 kleinjt well, there is also a power supply and signal generator per person, and half an oscilioscope
04 16:26:00 Morasique yes, when nobody's there anyway
04 16:26:00 Morasique kleinjt: my point is the expense of your things is irrelevant
04 16:26:00 chtr also, people normally don't go into the power lab to sleep or sit on a couch
04 16:26:00 kleinjt since there aren't any couches?
04 16:26:00 chtr whereas that's what half the people do in the CS lab
04 16:27:00 chtr kleinjt: precisely
04 16:27:00 Morasique i don't care if people sleep or sit on the couches in the CS lab, it'd just be nice if they were actually in the CS department
04 16:27:00 Morasique or at least didn't openly mock the CS department while doing it
04 16:27:00 Morasique i'd settle for that
04 16:28:00 chtr examples of this mocking?
04 16:28:00 chtr actually ->#rhnoise
04 16:34:00 andy753421 fyi, i'm putting the server together (in F225)
04 16:34:00 andy753421 er, i will be shortly
04 16:34:00 Morasique everyone to the cs lab!
04 16:34:00 Morasique you should put a webcam on it
04 16:34:00 Morasique so we can stare at it
04 16:35:00 Morasique did you get the other parts?
04 16:35:00 andy753421 not yet
04 16:35:00 Morasique :'(
04 16:36:00 andy753421 awesome, it came with exactly 3 sata cables
04 17:14:00 andy753421 gah, we're short 3 standofs, maybe I can get some from mike/darryl
04 17:16:00 chtr if you can't find any, i might have some around here
04 17:17:00 Morasique i have some too
04 17:17:00 andy753421 i can probably borrow some from the robotics lab for the moment
04 17:17:00 andy753421 i had a few spares too, but the MB only came with 10, and it needs 9 for the MB and 8 for the CPU springs
04 17:26:00 andy753421 robotics didn't have any the right size, and the free stuff table failed me
04 17:27:00 andy753421 i suppose we don't really need the second 4 of them at the moment, since we only have one CPU anyway
04 17:27:00 chtr it'd probably be easier to put them all in, though
04 17:28:00 andy753421 yea..
04 17:28:00 andy753421 Morasique: you're on campus right?
04 17:32:00 Morasique yeah
04 17:32:00 andy753421 could I borrow/have some standoffs?
04 17:33:00 Morasique sure. do you need them now? i can bring them to lug tomorrow
04 17:33:00 andy753421 eh, i'm putting stuff together now so that'd be nicer
04 17:33:00 andy753421 i can stop by apts if you like (i assume that's where you live)
04 17:33:00 andy753421 see. if we all used that crazy good thing this would be way easier
04 17:33:00 Morasique that crazy good thing?
04 17:34:00 chtr google's big brother
04 17:34:00 andy753421 *google
04 17:34:00 Morasique ah, right
04 17:34:00 Morasique well, we have banner. and yes, i live in the apartments
04 17:34:00 chtr the study tool thing too
04 17:35:00 andy753421 alright, i'll stop by in a few minutes then
04 17:39:00 Morasique i didn't know about standoffs when i built my first computer. it was an issue
04 17:39:00 tommost Crap, I forgot to mail my RMAs again.
04 17:44:00 Morasique tommost: you are a failure
04 17:50:00 andy753421 ah, Morasique standoffs were the wrong size
04 17:51:00 andy753421 (they're about 250 µm to tall)
04 17:52:00 chtr the um, is that an SI unit?
04 17:52:00 tommost andy753421++
04 17:52:00 tommost I see µm.
04 17:53:00 Morasique tommost: thanks, because that really clarifies it
04 17:53:00 tommost Morasique: It should have been obvious enough in the first place. What commonly used prefix abbreviation resembles a "u"?
04 17:54:00 Morasique who said it wasn't obvious in the first place?
04 17:54:00 chtr mu, but i've never actually heard someone say ``about'' when talking about micrometers
04 17:54:00 chtr and i'm assuming that he doesn't have pair of calipers
04 17:54:00 Morasique chtr: clearly you don't know andy753421
04 17:55:00 tommost He probably just meant "about 1/4 mm".
04 17:56:00 chtr i'm blaming pidgin
04 17:56:00 chtr �m
04 17:56:00 Morasique tommost: no ascii code 172? i'm surprised
04 17:56:00 tommost Hm?
04 17:57:00 andy753421 interestingly, .25 cm, 2.5 mm, and 250 µm are all the same number of characters
04 17:57:00 chtr and not at all the same length
04 17:57:00 Morasique tommost: http://www.asciitable.com/
04 17:57:00 Morasique damn SI
04 17:58:00 Morasique 2.5E-4 m. problem solved
04 17:58:00 Morasique ~2.5E-4m
04 17:59:00 tommost No, but Pidgin's set to UTF-8. You're getting latin-1?
04 17:59:00 chtr i think he really meant 2.5mm
04 17:59:00 chtr considering he said ``.25 cm, 2.5 mm, and 250 um''
04 17:59:00 chtr .25cm == 2.5mm != 250 um
04 18:00:00 Morasique this might be the least useful conversation we've ever had in here
04 18:00:00 Morasique including everything shadghost has ever been invoved in
04 18:00:00 shadghost I AM A BANANA!
04 18:01:00 tommost Morasique: I'd say you're wrong on that front.
04 18:01:00 tommost Given enough time I'm sure that I can produce logs to prove it.
04 18:01:00 andy753421 oh blast, i was thinking 1cm == 0.001 m
04 18:01:00 Morasique close enough
04 18:02:00 tommost Yeah, the difference isn't likely to overflow a double, so who cares?
04 18:02:00 chtr Bubble bubble, toil and trouble; cast that float into a double.
04 18:03:00 andy753421 also, who the hell makes standoffs that have different thread sizes for the male/female ends?
04 18:09:00 andy753421 chtr: are you coming back to rose this evening?
04 18:10:00 chtr andy753421: not likely, and it's probably doubtful that i have the correct ones
04 18:11:00 andy753421 ok
04 19:04:00 tommost What happened to the subway cam‽
04 19:39:00 povilus how do you redirect stderr to /dev/null in bash
04 19:40:00 andy753421 foo 2>/dev/null
04 19:41:00 povilus sooo aparently im not using bash
04 19:41:00 povilus how do i see what shell i am using?
04 19:41:00 andy753421 echo $SHELL
04 19:42:00 andy753421 you're probably using tcsh?
04 19:42:00 povilus yeah
04 19:42:00 andy753421 sorry, i don't know anything about tcsh
04 19:42:00 povilus its ok
04 19:44:00 chtr povilus: just run bash
04 19:44:00 povilus yeah
04 19:44:00 povilus i could
04 19:44:00 povilus but i have history with tcsh
04 19:47:00 Blazeix povilus: According to some random website I found its (cmd > /dev/tty) >& /dev/null
04 19:47:00 povilus that should work
04 19:47:00 andy753421 dear god,that's horrible
04 19:48:00 povilus i couldent figure out how to get stdout to the terminal
04 19:48:00 Blazeix yeah, if I'm understanding it correctly, it looks like you have to explicitly specify stdout when you specify stderr
04 19:49:00 povilus im relly close to pipin a stack overflow trace to wall
04 19:52:00 povilus no
04 19:52:00 povilus how are you messagin just me chtr
04 19:52:00 chtr write(1)
04 19:54:00 povilus pts/18?
04 19:57:00 povilus how do you stop people from messagin you
04 19:57:00 chtr mesg n
04 19:58:00 Zeta_Mobile I'm having way too much fun with msg < /dev/random
04 20:00:00 Zeta_Mobile is ttyS a serial terminal?
04 20:01:00 Zeta_Mobile and if so, why the hell does addiator have 67 of them?
04 20:02:00 tommost Oh, he did it.
04 20:02:00 kleinjt blah
04 20:03:00 kleinjt blast
04 20:03:00 kleinjt wrong :/
04 20:03:00 kleinjt command
04 20:03:00 chtr hah
04 20:03:00 kleinjt I was going to do dmesg | more
04 20:03:00 kleinjt but I was thinking about wall
04 20:03:00 kleinjt blast
04 20:08:00 Zeta_Mobile who did what?
04 20:09:00 kleinjt I deny everything.
04 20:57:00 quark_ whats the vim command to open more than one file?
04 20:57:00 quark_ i thought it was :split fliename
04 21:04:00 Morasique you mean to show more than one file at once? it is :split
04 21:04:00 quark_ yeah
04 21:04:00 quark_ hmmm
04 21:04:00 quark_ that isn't working
04 21:04:00 chtr i use :sp
04 21:04:00 quark_ it probably has something to do with this stupid fucking redhat vm
04 21:04:00 quark_ its the same thing...
04 21:05:00 chtr but shorter to type
04 21:05:00 Morasique chtr: but probably equally not functional on his machine
04 21:06:00 quark_ indeed
04 21:06:00 quark_ this is reallly bothering me
04 21:07:00 quark_ visual mode doesn't work for shit either
04 21:07:00 quark_ and the updatesystem is totally fucked
04 21:08:00 quark_ screw yum
04 21:09:00 Morasique i recommend emacs. it doesn't have these problems
04 21:10:00 chtr quark_: do you have vim, or vi?
04 21:29:00 quark_ vim
04 21:36:00 Blazeix I've always used :new and :vnew to split the screen, although I suspect that :new probably just redirects to :split
04 21:43:00 Morasique they're the same if you pass a filename, if you use them separately :split has the original buffer in the new pane, :new shows an empty one
04 21:44:00 Morasique s/separately/without an arg/
04 21:44:00 chtr i knew it, Morasique's a secret vim user
04 21:47:00 Morasique i guessed that :h was probably help
04 21:47:00 Morasique i was right
04 21:48:00 Morasique i also picked up how to open a file finally, i've always just passed it to vim on the command-line when i needed it
04 22:36:00 Blazeix I sent out the reminder email. Note to andy753421, replace me with a cron job.
04 22:36:00 andy753421 it'd be hard to cron the presentation reminder
04 22:39:00 Blazeix woo! Job security.
04 23:05:00 Morasique we'll just force people to announce their presentation intent in #rhlug in a certain easily grepped format
04 23:05:00 Morasique i've still done no homework. damn you cartoons of my youth!
04 23:05:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
04 23:06:00 chtr who's presenting next week?
04 23:10:00 Morasique can we finish this week first?
04 23:11:00 chtr of course not
04 23:11:00 Morasique it wasn't a real question, i just phrased it like a question
04 23:11:00 chtr could we not do that?
04 23:12:00 Morasique i can probably do fuse unless somebody else has something
04 23:26:00 tommost Morasique: Does Conky correctly show usage for your gigabit ethernet interfaces?
04 23:27:00 tommost It seems to think that mine are 100s—there's no other explanation for how it thinks they're constantly saturated.
04 23:28:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, it seems to work fine
04 23:28:00 tommost Hm.
04 23:28:00 tommost Odd.
05 00:16:00 tommost_ts3_noki interesting discovery: IE7 doesn't support alpha-transparency under 8-bit color.
05 00:18:00 Morasique i'm amazed IE finally got around to supporting alpha transparency at all
05 00:18:00 Morasique baby steps i guess
05 00:20:00 tommost_ts3_noki i wonder if they added native support in ie8. i heard that ie7's support is just an activex hack.
05 00:21:00 tommost_ts3_noki (which my current experience seems to support)
05 00:21:00 Morasique ? alpha transparency isn't that hard; there's javascript hacks for old versions of IE, what is wrong with these programmers?
05 00:23:00 tommost_ts3_noki surprisingly , the character that i miss the most on this on-screen keybord is the space.
05 00:24:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2009-02.log#line-205
05 00:25:00 tommost_ts3_noki yeh, the ie5.5+ hack you're talking about is what they used in i7--- thy jst made it prt of thebrowser
05 00:26:00 tommost_ts3_noki i think i'm missing more As now.
05 00:27:00 chtr they're not very important: http://rafb.net/p/xZoBLg70.html
05 00:27:00 Morasique and es and us, are all the vowel keys on your keyboard broken?
05 00:28:00 Morasique chtr: where'd you get that?
05 00:28:00 chtr $ freq $PLAN9/lib/words
05 00:28:00 Morasique oh, i've never seen freq
05 00:31:00 tommost_ts3_noki i need tost up a vnc servr fo my tablet
05 00:31:00 tommost_ts3_noki s/tost/ to set/
05 00:32:00 tommost_ts3_noki I give up. ood night
05 00:34:00 chtr an odd night indeed.
05 00:35:00 Blazeix wow. "thy jst made it prt of thebrowser" I did not see anything wrong with that until Morasique said something.
05 00:39:00 Morasique the first time i read this i'd been up way too long and i made it all the way through without noticing a problem: http://pastebin.com/m16c742cc
05 00:40:00 Blazeix ha, nice.
05 00:40:00 chtr yeah, i remember seeing that a few years ago
05 00:41:00 Blazeix When I was first learning python I wrote a tool that would generate those types of sentences.
05 01:32:00 chtr so, any other timewarner people have internet issues?
05 01:33:00 Morasique haven't you all been talking about your internet issues for like a week now?
05 01:33:00 chtr i haven't had any, but now i just lost my connection for like 20 minutes
05 05:31:00 Morasique "svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 'src'; please get a newer Subversion client"
05 05:31:00 Morasique that's a new one
05 07:34:00 jboticsource http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse
05 18:41:00 MrBucket101 This may be a longshot, Is anyone here interested in buying a GPU? EVGA 9800GT?
05 18:42:00 Morasique this is really cool: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/6247
05 18:42:00 MrBucket101 heh if only I knew latex
05 18:47:00 Morasique i actually don't know the equation syntax, i use openoffice's calc for that, but i should learn it
05 18:50:00 quark_ latex is useless! use html!
05 18:50:00 andy7534211 Unicode!
05 18:51:00 quark_ word
05 18:55:00 Morasique mspaint?
05 19:30:00 Morasique jboticsource: that commandline-fu site you posted is a complete ripoff of http://www.shell-fu.org/
05 20:00:00 chtr knuth uses ubuntu
05 20:01:00 tommost Knuth++
05 20:01:00 chtr and emacs
05 20:01:00 tommost Interesting.
05 20:01:00 Morasique win
05 20:02:00 chtr from this article, in case anyone didn't see it: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1193856&rll=1
05 20:02:00 chtr apparently knuth uses this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/backupfs
05 20:02:00 chtr which i hadn't heard of, but the description sounds good...
05 20:06:00 Morasique you mean the part where they say it's a clone of something from plan 9?
05 20:20:00 andy7534211 I didn't know these were listed.. http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/stu2005/
05 20:21:00 Morasique i guess it doesn't matter since they list them all here anyway: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/users.html
05 20:36:00 chtr collinjc: http://pstricks.de/pst-circ/
05 20:36:00 chtr that looks pretty useful
05 20:46:00 Blazeix Here's the link to the beamer theme I used: http://blog.barisione.org/2007-09/torino-a-pretty-theme-for-latex-beamer/
05 20:47:00 tommost Blazeix: Cool. I was wondering where the design came from.
05 20:50:00 Blazeix Yeah, it's hard to find good beamer themes. I just happened upon that one when I was searching for a green theme to match Django.
05 20:51:00 Morasique it doesn't have the outline thing at the top though, i like that
05 20:54:00 Blazeix Yeah, the outline is useful, but I'd trade in the outline for nice-looking slides.
05 21:07:00 chtr personally i don't like the outline thing
05 21:08:00 andy7534211 i like the small version of the outline better
05 21:08:00 andy7534211 (that's only one line)
05 21:09:00 andy7534211 i think beamer can make slides to cluttered sometimes
05 21:09:00 chtr yes, especially the default style with those buttons at the bottom and such
05 21:13:00 Morasique i actually like the buttons, but there's an option to shut them off
05 21:13:00 andy7534211 they're neat, but i don't think i've ever used them
05 21:13:00 Morasique one of the themes has a tree version of the outline i kind of like
05 21:13:00 Morasique no, i doubt anyone ever has
05 21:50:00 povilus so wee need to forkbomd from java
05 21:50:00 povilus how do we do this
05 21:51:00 povilus were thinking call a c exicutable
05 21:56:00 Morasique is that supposed to say "forkbomb"?
05 21:57:00 crr I don't think Java lets you spawn processes
05 21:57:00 Morasique sure it does, there's a Process class
05 21:57:00 crr oh, never mind then
05 21:58:00 Morasique you probably want Runtime.getRuntime.exec(); i'm not exactly sure why you need to fork bomb something, but oh well
05 22:07:00 povilus we have to have a -o options fro debugging on our project
05 22:07:00 povilus so the -o is going to fork bomb addiator
05 22:07:00 povilus he dident say what it had to do just that it had to do something
05 22:11:00 Blazeix Sounds like a solid plan.
05 22:18:00 Morasique povilus: probably not a solid idea
05 22:20:00 quark_ :/
05 22:20:00 quark_ i think that means you should do
05 22:20:00 quark_ it
05 22:20:00 quark_ you don't ever learn anything until it breaks...
05 22:20:00 Morasique ...right
05 22:21:00 quark_ also
05 22:21:00 quark_ 1 can of hormel chili has 100% of my daily sodium intake
05 22:22:00 chtr my daily sodium intake is 800% of a standard human
05 22:22:00 quark_ yeah
05 22:22:00 quark_ i think most people;s are
05 22:22:00 quark_ people's*
05 22:22:00 quark_ i love salt
05 22:22:00 quark_ dont really care for sugar
05 22:23:00 chtr sugar can't preserve food
05 22:23:00 quark_ yeah
05 22:23:00 quark_ and its for girls
05 22:23:00 Morasique i have heard that
05 22:23:00 quark_ i like pickles
05 22:23:00 quark_ one of my favorite foods
05 22:24:00 quark_ that and cock i guess
05 22:25:00 quark_ chtr: are you a sophmore?
05 22:25:00 chtr probably not?
05 22:25:00 povilus anyone know who daviscr1 is an why it is running
05 22:25:00 quark_ you don't know
05 22:25:00 quark_ ?
05 22:25:00 povilus icfb.exe
05 22:25:00 quark_ i just want to know what laptop you have
05 22:25:00 povilus and why an exe is being run on addiator
05 22:25:00 chtr nope, junior
05 22:25:00 chtr povilus: icfb.exe is something in the cadence suite
05 22:26:00 povilus i see
05 22:27:00 chtr http://www.globalnerdy.com/2009/02/05/hacklabtos-lisp-machine-keyboard/
05 22:27:00 chtr i like how the [] are replaced by the () keys
05 22:30:00 povilus bastard logged off before i could message him
05 22:30:00 povilus but his processis are still running
05 22:30:00 povilus weird
05 22:30:00 chtr yes, job control is pure voodoo
05 22:31:00 Morasique agreed
05 22:31:00 Morasique povilus: cadence is running on addiator all the time, it's not unusual
05 22:31:00 chtr sliding blocks hammers addiator
05 22:32:00 Morasique yeah, i think that's due at midnight
05 22:32:00 Morasique there was a good amount of freaking out about it in the lab
05 22:32:00 Morasique i'm not sure if mendelnt realizes his processes are still running
05 22:32:00 Morasique unless he's intentionally testing five different instances of sliding blocks at the same time
05 22:33:00 Morasique but that seems like a bad plan
05 22:39:00 povilus no
05 22:40:00 povilus its due tomorrow at 5
05 22:40:00 Morasique ah. people should freak out less then
05 22:40:00 Morasique i probably wouldn't have started yet
05 22:40:00 povilus anyone know a java collection for a queue that can have a type
05 22:40:00 povilus Morasique, its a huge project
05 22:41:00 povilus like bigger than the term project
05 22:41:00 Morasique Queue is generic
05 22:41:00 Morasique povilus: yes, but i'm stupid
05 22:41:00 povilus eclipse complains about it
05 22:41:00 Morasique it's wrong
05 22:41:00 Morasique what's the error?
05 22:42:00 andy753421 povilus you do have >=java-1.5 installed?
05 22:42:00 povilus The type Queue is not generic; it cannot be parameterized with arguments <Move>
05 22:43:00 povilus its an interface according to the web
05 22:43:00 Morasique it is. did you check the java version?
05 22:43:00 Morasique that would be my next guess, but i think generics were introduced in 1.5 so you wouldn't get that error if you were under that
05 22:43:00 povilus does linked list store a refrens to the last element in itself
05 22:43:00 Morasique .getLast()
05 22:44:00 Morasique this is all in the javadoc, btw
05 22:45:00 povilus yeah it can but i assume it walks the list
05 22:46:00 Morasique it's a doubly-linked list
05 22:46:00 povilus oh, i just found that line
05 22:46:00 povilus i thought it was singly linked
05 22:48:00 povilus cool
05 22:48:00 povilus ish
05 22:48:00 povilus i was hoing for a perfomance gain by switching
05 22:51:00 andy753421 does eclipse parse generics when it does completion?
05 22:52:00 Morasique yeah
05 22:52:00 povilus its because Queue is an interface
05 22:52:00 Morasique interfaces can have generics
05 22:52:00 povilus i needed to be using a Queue not Queue littraly
05 22:52:00 Morasique yeah, you want something that implements Queue
05 22:53:00 Morasique probably something that extends AbstractQueue
05 22:53:00 Morasique those will all be generic too
05 22:53:00 povilus yeah
05 22:53:00 povilus i know but i was trying to make a queue
05 22:53:00 povilus not trying to impliment one
05 22:54:00 Morasique i know, i mean use something that extends AbstractQueue
05 22:54:00 Morasique there's lots of things that come with java
05 22:55:00 Morasique ArrayDequeue<Move> will probably work fine
05 23:07:00 povilus how do you see what jobs you have backrounded?
05 23:07:00 tommost jobs
05 23:07:00 tommost or ps -U povilusr
05 23:08:00 povilus thanx
05 23:10:00 Zeta_Mobile When you guys did slidingblocks, were debug options a requirement?
05 23:10:00 Zeta_Mobile -oStuff, etc
05 23:11:00 Morasique i think it always has been
05 23:11:00 andy753421 did any of us ever do sliding blocks?
05 23:11:00 Zeta_Mobile Some did.
05 23:11:00 Morasique they didn't do it our freshman year, but they have since
05 23:14:00 chtr i did it
05 23:52:00 andy753421 $ man <ucontext.h>
05 23:52:00 andy753421 super goto!
05 23:53:00 andy753421 let's see java do that /that/!
05 23:53:00 andy753421 er, i guess it's just $ man ucontext.h
06 00:09:00 Morasique java's main weakness is it's lack of super goto
06 00:17:00 andy753421 matlab question! if I have a matrix and a set of points [x1 y1; x2 y2; .. xn yn], how can I use the points to index the matrix?
06 00:18:00 crr M(x1, y2) % or did you mean something else?
06 00:19:00 andy753421 i want to set all the points in the matrix to some value
06 00:20:00 crr as in, M = ones([size size]) * c, for some c?
06 00:21:00 andy753421 so M is the matrix, and P is the list of points, and i want every point in M to that is in P to be set to a value
06 00:22:00 andy753421 so basically `foreach (p in P) { M[p.x, p.y] = value }'
06 00:24:00 andy753421 i'm really just trying to create a 3d cone of 1's
06 00:24:00 crr oh, sorry, I don't know
06 00:24:00 andy753421 so I generated a list of the coordinates that should be set to 1, but i'm not sure how to do that
06 00:25:00 andy753421 if matlab had drawing functions, it would make things way easier
06 01:21:00 andy753421 is there any way to make gcc output to standard out?
06 01:25:00 chtr i can get it to output assembler to stdout, but that's it.
06 01:28:00 andy753421 i was hoping to be able to do `$ <(gcc -o- test.c)' but it seems you cant exec a <() anyway
06 06:22:00 kleinjt w
06 07:13:00 Morasique x?
06 07:28:00 kleinjt ,[+.]
06 12:06:00 Morasique fun question: is it legal for us to show sneakers to the whole campus? when rha does movie things they have to buy rights to show it
06 13:42:00 Morasique big news: daryl is putting the mac back in the cs lab
06 13:42:00 Morasique rejoice!
06 13:45:00 embrybd auhter: http://pastebin.com/d394dd609
06 13:46:00 chtr aim would have worked as well
06 13:46:00 embrybd you're not on
06 13:46:00 Morasique BAM
06 13:47:00 Morasique if that massive code repetition between 40 and 79 is necessary then verilog makes me sad inside
06 13:49:00 embrybd lol......to avoid a for loop
06 13:49:00 embrybd a poor man's divide
06 13:50:00 chtr i think you can technically use for-loops for something like that, since the boundaries are fixed
06 15:19:00 Morasique "Nine of out 10 critical bugs reported by Microsoft Corp. last year could have been made moot, or at least made less dangerous, if people ran Windows without administrative rights, a developer of enterprise rights management software claimed today."
06 15:19:00 Morasique shocking...
06 19:56:00 Morasique http://etherpad.com/
06 19:56:00 Morasique finally
06 19:56:00 chtr http://etherpad.com/4OeU7iOQgS
06 20:10:00 andy753421 (moonedit)
06 20:11:00 andy753421 huh, i thought that was free software, apparently not
06 20:11:00 andy753421 hey, gobby
06 20:11:00 andy753421 personally, i'm waiting till vim supports that
06 20:39:00 Blazeix that's cool. I'm installing ubuntu in a virtual machine, and it asked me if I wanted to set up an encrypted private directory as one of the install steps
06 20:45:00 Blazeix hmm. Has the ubuntu alternate install always installed the full Gnome desktop? I thought it only installed the core system.
06 20:45:00 Blazeix But 8.10 seems to be installing everything.
06 20:46:00 tommost What's the difference between the two? Do you mean that it's installing stuff like AbiWord?
06 20:54:00 Blazeix I mean that its installing X11, openoffice, etc.
06 20:55:00 tommost Yeah, all that's in the desktop install.
06 20:55:00 tommost Always has been, as I recall.
06 20:55:00 tommost It's "alternate" because it uses a different bootloader, I think. And because it doesn't use the GUI.
06 20:56:00 Blazeix Right. I saw stuff about openoffice flashing on the screen in the alternate install, which struck me as funny.
06 20:57:00 Blazeix But the step failed with a big red screen, so maybe I have a corrupted image
06 22:55:00 shatly the altenet install of ubuntu uses a non live install
06 22:55:00 shatly the old deblen install
06 22:55:00 shatly post install the same
06 23:07:00 Blazeix Yeah, it looks like the "Minimal CD" was what I wanted. It just isn't really advertised on the download page.
06 23:07:00 Blazeix Also, does anyone know how to make it so gnome doesn't run on 'startx' in ubuntu? I've been digging through the /etc/X11 files.
06 23:07:00 Blazeix as well as the files in my home dir.
06 23:10:00 shatly if you want costum go with slackware
06 23:10:00 Blazeix I run arch linux on my main machine, which is plenty customizable.
06 23:11:00 Blazeix I'm messing around with netbook GUIs in a virtual machine.
06 23:11:00 Blazeix unfortunately, some of the netbook GUIs are only released for ubuntu
06 23:11:00 Blazeix The netbook is for my Mom, anyway, so ubuntu is probably best.
06 23:12:00 Blazeix The default OS on the eee-pc is Mandriva, and its pretty painful.
06 23:15:00 kleinjt Blazeix: I don't recall exactly how I did it, but it involved disabling gdm and writing my own xinitrc file
06 23:16:00 Blazeix Thanks, it looks like if I have a ~/.xinitrc, it obeys that and doesn't launch gnome. If I don't have it gnome launches by default.
07 00:54:00 andy753421 http://coolepochcountdown.com/
07 00:55:00 chtr andy753421: yep, i've been watching that site today
07 00:56:00 chtr i should really just put date +%s in my wmii bar...
07 00:57:00 andy753421 $((1234567890-$(date +%s)))
07 00:57:00 andy753421 wow, that bash looks like lisp
07 00:57:00 chtr bash worries me with its arithemtic opreations and pseudo /net
07 00:58:00 andy753421 pseudo /net ?
07 00:58:00 chtr that is, /dev/tcp. /dev/udp, etc.
07 00:58:00 andy753421 the one thing i like much more about bash than rc is ${var/from/to}
07 00:59:00 chtr ah, what does that do? i've apparently not come across it before
07 00:59:00 andy753421 it substitutes from with to in var
07 00:59:00 chtr heh, i hadn't known about that
07 00:59:00 andy753421 so: for i in *.txt; mv $i ${i/txt/html}
07 01:00:00 chtr i guess it could be argued that that would best be left to set, but it seems much more natural...
07 01:00:00 andy753421 it's much cleaner than `for (i in *.txt){ mv $i `{echo $i | sed 's/txt/html'}}
07 01:04:00 andy753421 it annoys me because mk basically does that with ${i:%.txt=%.html}
07 02:23:00 Blazeix I'm the webmaster for APO, and we have a calendar page where members can add events. The event form has fields such as Start Time, End Time, Description, Name, etc.
07 02:23:00 Blazeix Now, if you were adding a new event, what would you put in the Name field?
07 02:23:00 Blazeix We now have 11 events, all name "Jessica."
07 02:23:00 Blazeix s/name/named/
07 02:24:00 Blazeix I guess there is a lesson in usability there.
07 02:25:00 Blazeix I'll modify the "name" field, but I would have thought it'd be obvious.
07 13:40:00 Morasique i'm reading the phplist exploit that let somebody hack phpbb.com a few days ago, it turns out this code was in phplist: http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m6db319eb
07 13:40:00 Morasique programmers seriously worry me sometimes
07 13:41:00 tommost That's terrible.
07 13:42:00 tommost I didn't realize you could double up $ like that.
07 13:42:00 Morasique yeah, it's useful
07 14:12:00 Morasique wow. i'm reading milw0rm because i'm lonely, i just stumbled on a way to make a certain type of file so that if xterm tries to display it it runs an arbitrary command
07 14:13:00 Morasique only the debian version of xterm apparently
07 14:13:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/xterm.png
07 14:13:00 Morasique all i did was cat foo, it ran the ls command all by itself
07 14:15:00 tommost I'm glad I don't use xterm, then.
07 14:16:00 Morasique i doubt there's anybody that uses xterm and ubuntu
07 14:16:00 tommost For good reason.
07 14:26:00 Blazeix I actually used xterm + ubuntu for a long time. I've been off Ubuntu for some time now, but I only switched away from xterm a few weeks ago.
07 14:26:00 tommost You liked being able to display images in your terminal? ;)
07 14:27:00 Blazeix transparency for the win
07 14:27:00 chtr rxvt-unicode ftw
07 14:27:00 Blazeix chtr++
07 14:27:00 Morasique xterm's lack of fire text support has always bothered me
07 14:27:00 Blazeix "I've been off Ubuntu for some time now" makes it sound like some kind of drug.
07 14:32:00 Morasique i found a thing that lets you add exec() support to mysql, so your queries can run shell commands. if your queries need to run shell commands, you're probably doing something wrong
07 14:32:00 tommost Agreed.
07 14:32:00 tommost Indeed, if you're using MySQL at all you may very well be doing something wrong.
07 14:33:00 tommost At least given my experience with it on my databases project.
07 14:34:00 Blazeix I generally like MySQL syntax more than postgresql, though
07 14:34:00 Blazeix I can never remember the commands like \d and \t
07 14:35:00 Blazeix 'show tables' and 'describe <table>' make more sense
07 14:35:00 tommost My problems relate to a) missing/broken features, like triggers and b) not being able to get the return value of a stored procedure before you fetch all of the result sets.
07 14:36:00 tommost b) sort of make sense, but how are you supposed to get large result sets?
07 14:36:00 Morasique i don't use stored procedures, and i've never had any problems with mysql triggers
07 14:37:00 tommost Also, you can't return from procedures. Even the restriction of not being able to return *values* from procedures can be worked around with output parameters if you can just break off execution, but you can't. This results in tons of nested if statements.
07 14:37:00 tommost Morasique: The docs say that they don't work for cascaded changes/deletes, so they're useless in the exact case for which you'd specifically want them.
07 14:39:00 Morasique they haven't fixed that yet?
07 14:39:00 tommost Not in 5.1.
07 14:39:00 Morasique wow
07 15:02:00 Morasique oh good, i found one that lets you execute arbitrary commands from php even with safe mode on. apparently the reporter filed a bug on php's bug tracker and got it rejected as unimportant. that shouldn't surprise me
07 15:37:00 Morasique is LD_PRELOAD normally disabled?
07 16:51:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever seen this done: "for (int i = size; --i >= 0; )"
07 16:51:00 tommost Really?
07 16:52:00 tommost I've seen that in JS.
07 16:52:00 Morasique that's bizarre
07 16:53:00 Morasique well, JS is a scary, lawless place, so that doesn't surprise me
07 16:53:00 tommost Indeed.
07 16:54:00 chtr Morasique: yeah, i've never seen that either
07 18:06:00 Morasique apparently .29-rc3 fixed more laptop suspend problems. i should try that out again, i gave up on suspend ages ago
07 18:14:00 chtr i wouldn't be able to live without suspend
07 18:15:00 Morasique i don't really see the utility, my machine boots fast enough, and the only thing i really need to persist is firefox, which handles that internally
07 18:16:00 chtr a lot of times i'm working on things and have several terminals open with different files, etc.
07 18:16:00 chtr when i go to class, i likely want to resume working on the stuff.
07 18:17:00 Morasique s/resume working on the stuff/give the lecture my undivided attention, because knowledge is power/
07 18:21:00 Morasique why does sudo lag when the password is wrong? is that a built-in delay to stop brute forcing, or is it actually doing something? can i shut it off if it's the former?
07 18:21:00 Blazeix Morasique: I've had suspend working on my Dell for a while
07 18:22:00 Blazeix I use this tool: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/intro.shtml
07 18:22:00 Morasique well, anything that lets me resume "without loosing data" sounds good to me
07 18:23:00 Morasique i think i tried this and it went badly
07 18:23:00 Blazeix For M70s, you have to pass the args "--force --pci_save --vbe_save"
07 18:23:00 Morasique i could suspend, but horrible things happened when i tried resuming
07 18:23:00 Morasique oh, ok
07 18:23:00 Blazeix yeah, its all a matter of figuring out what --*_save args to pass
07 18:26:00 andy753421 Morasique: there's nodelay in pam_unix
07 18:27:00 andy753421 (but that doesn't actually do anything for me)
07 18:28:00 andy753421 well, it sort of does, it works for su, but not for actually logging in
07 18:29:00 andy753421 you have to set that one in /etc/login.defs
07 18:34:00 Morasique which file did you modify? i threw nodelay on the end of all the includes in /etc/pam.d/sudo but it didn't do anything
07 18:35:00 andy753421 it depends on the distro, on gentoo, edit /etc/pam.d/system-auth and add it to the end of the `auth .. pam_unix' line
07 18:35:00 Morasique oh, excellent. thanks
07 18:38:00 Morasique Blazeix: wow, that worked perfectly. thanks
07 18:38:00 Morasique this has been a productive day
07 18:40:00 Morasique my terminal appears to have freaked out a little: http://mrozekma.com/s2ram.png
07 18:42:00 Blazeix that's bizarre. Is that s2ram or the sudo changes causing that?
07 18:43:00 Morasique the last command i ran was + !!, which sudos the last thing, since i forgot to sudo the s2disk call. it looks like it tried to run that another 50 times, so it did + !! where !! was + s2disk, and then + !! again became + + sdisk, etc.
07 18:43:00 Morasique i'm not sure why it tried to run it 50 times
07 18:43:00 Morasique do you use s2both? it sounds very cool
07 18:44:00 Blazeix I actually only use s2ram
07 18:45:00 Morasique oh yeah, s/s2disk/s2ram/g for everything i said before
07 18:45:00 Morasique does it work well with your terrible battery?
07 18:45:00 Morasique my battery life is ~10 minutes
07 18:46:00 Blazeix I use it when I need to move my computer to a study room or somewhere else relatively close. Otherwise I just shut down.
07 18:46:00 Morasique ah
07 18:46:00 Morasique i'll just try it next time i bother going to class to see if it dies, i imagine 10 minutes is sufficient for a while
07 18:47:00 Morasique my laptop also hates when i dock it while it's running, maybe this will get around that
07 18:47:00 Morasique it freezes instantly, sysrq keys don't even work
07 18:49:00 tommost This summer I left my laptop in suspend for a week. When I woke it up it had about an hour of battery life left—the suspend had not affected battery life in any significant way. So I wouldn't worry about your battery.
07 18:50:00 tommost (This was suspend to RAM.)
07 18:50:00 tommost I don't have a large enough swap for hibernation.
07 18:50:00 chtr yeah, about the only thing your battery's used for is refreshing the ram
07 18:52:00 Morasique tommost: you went without your laptop for a week?
07 18:52:00 Morasique shudders
07 18:52:00 Morasique i don't think my laptop has been off for more than a day since i got it
07 18:54:00 Morasique i like this picture of tux, it should be our logo: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/linuxsleep.png
07 18:54:00 Morasique everyone does normal tux, we can be unique
07 18:54:00 Morasique or scary tux: http://mrozekma.com/tux.png
07 18:57:00 tommost Morasique: I was on vacation. In Colorado. In the mountains. I only unsuspended it to offload photos from my camera, since there was no electricity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingree_Park
07 18:58:00 tommost (Not on the campus.)
07 18:58:00 Morasique "no electricity". a likely story
07 19:00:00 Morasique did we reserve the gm room yet? we should get mellor to do an e-mail if we have
07 19:00:00 kleinjt does anyone have a copy of the movie?
07 19:07:00 andy753421 someone should make a wiki page about suspend
07 19:09:00 tommost Suspend: works perfectly under Ubuntu. Ubuntu++
07 19:10:00 tommost (Except when combined with ATI drivers in dual-monitor configuration. ATI--)
07 19:10:00 chtr yeah, i didn't have to do anything special for suspend either
07 19:11:00 Morasique i suspect it's more hardware dependent than distro
07 19:30:00 Morasique awesome, i changed the way my last non-functional awesome widget worked and now they all run without crashing awesome. mission complete
07 19:31:00 Morasique oops. i try not to use awesome as an adjective when talking about awesome
07 20:42:00 tommost I make no such attempt.
07 21:07:00 Blazeix Hmm. I think Java on my machine dead. I can't run my senior project, and any java applets I run instantly crash my browser.
07 21:07:00 Blazeix This could be problematic.
07 21:08:00 tommost Perhaps. Or you could try using GCJ instead.
07 21:24:00 Blazeix yeah, do you use GCJ? last time I tried it out it was way behind normal java.
07 21:30:00 andy753421 i think it has generics support these days
07 21:31:00 andy753421 although, nobody cares anymore because java got open sourced..
07 21:51:00 Morasique Blazeix: did you fix senior project yet?
07 21:51:00 Morasique 'cause that might be a problem
07 21:51:00 Blazeix No, I just uninstalled the jre and jdk, wiped out all the config files, and reinstalled.
07 21:51:00 Blazeix It still isn't working.
07 21:51:00 Morasique hmm
07 22:24:00 andy753421 chtr: have you ever used aggregates/libraries in mk?
07 22:39:00 Blazeix aha! it was a java/awesome interaction that was breaking my java apps.
07 22:39:00 Blazeix http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/index.php?title=Problems_with_Java
07 22:39:00 Blazeix also cool: The above two lines are exactly the same width in my font.
07 22:40:00 tommost We should put that line in big red text on the wiki homepage; it's getting ridiculous how many times it has come up.
07 22:55:00 chtr andy753421: no, i haven't. the library maintaining stuff has interested me though
07 22:55:00 chtr i'm not sure what aggregates are
07 22:59:00 andy753421 `aggregates' is just the term that was used for the library stuff
07 22:59:00 andy753421 I'm wondering how it works if you try to do: foo(abar):R: ...
07 22:59:00 andy753421 because the (..) matches the library stuff as well as the regular expression pattern
08 00:59:00 Morasique Blazeix: strange, i've never had a problem
08 00:59:00 Morasique do you have the window start floating?
08 00:59:00 Blazeix No
08 01:00:00 Blazeix But the suggestion on that page about wmname fixed it.
08 01:00:00 Blazeix It must be a difference between Java on arch and on gentoo
08 01:02:00 Morasique thus proving one's superiority once and for all. i'm not sure which though
08 01:04:00 andy753421 i bet you could make a game of life impelementation really easy in matlab
08 01:05:00 Morasique you can make it really easy in anything
08 01:06:00 Blazeix The game of life in APL was posted in here, right?
08 01:06:00 Blazeix it was really cool.
08 01:06:00 Morasique yeah, that made me hate myself
08 01:07:00 Morasique now i'm watching it again
08 01:07:00 Morasique and hating myself again
08 01:07:00 tommost Hmm... I should watch that.
08 01:07:00 Morasique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4&fmt=18
08 01:09:00 Morasique damn, the wikipedia article talks about how APL works like SIMD architectures. i did SIMD for comp arch 2, if i'd known i could've include a whole slide filled with APL notation and pretended to understand it
08 01:16:00 Morasique yep, i hate myself
08 01:16:00 Morasique thanks apl video
08 01:22:00 Morasique somebody needs to learn apl and present on it
08 01:22:00 Morasique touches nose
08 01:23:00 tommost I nominate luglog.
08 01:23:00 Morasique i think that's a no
08 01:25:00 Morasique Blazeix it is!
08 01:27:00 Morasique Blazeix: on a related note, you should put the django presentation up on the presentations page
08 01:27:00 Blazeix oh yeah.
08 01:28:00 Blazeix I'll do that now
08 01:28:00 Morasique http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m38e09f7e
08 01:33:00 Morasique "The syntax of most programming languages is restricted to the ASCII character set"
08 01:34:00 Morasique that sentence drips with condescension
08 01:34:00 tommost Not Python 3000!
08 01:34:00 tommost Unicode... yay?
08 01:35:00 tommost Wow, that video...
08 01:36:00 tommost It's like math. You can do all sorts of crazy magic with a few symbols, but good luck ever trying to read the expression.
08 01:36:00 tommost Frankly, useless.
08 01:39:00 tommost I may have mentioned this before, but this script is essential: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/38074
08 01:44:00 Morasique i have three youtube fixing scripts now. youtube should make their interface not blow
08 01:44:00 tommost I've disabled all but that one. It does everything that I care about.
08 01:45:00 tommost Vimeo still kicks YouTube's ass, though.
08 01:49:00 Morasique there's nothing for apl in portage. unacceptable
08 01:51:00 tommost I think that says something about APL.
08 01:52:00 Morasique or gentoo
08 01:52:00 Morasique glares
08 01:52:00 tommost I don't see anything in Ubuntu's apt repositories either. I think it's APL.
08 01:57:00 Morasique or ubuntu
08 01:57:00 Morasique glares
08 01:58:00 tommost Let's find a distro that does have APL stuff before we make a final judgment.
08 02:02:00 Blazeix There's a depressing message in comp.lang.apl about an aging APL developer, looking for a young APL developer to take over his APL related hobby programs
08 02:02:00 Blazeix http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.apl/browse_thread/thread/c60f944403a641c6#
08 02:05:00 Morasique "APL, in which you can write a program to simulate shuffling a deck of cards and then dealing them out to several players in four characters, none of which appear on a standard keyboard"
08 02:07:00 Blazeix Has anybody been able to find an APL download?
08 02:07:00 tommost I'm not sure what is more sad. Wanting to download APL, or that it can't be found.
08 02:07:00 Blazeix It looks like Sharp APL is the one to go with, but it requires you send an email, and someone will supposedly email you back.
08 02:08:00 Morasique i heard dyalog is the most common one, that's the one the youtube video used
08 02:08:00 andy753421 (life, in matlab http://rafb.net/p/jxynuU57.html)
08 02:08:00 Morasique there's an operator that multiplies a vector by pi. awesome
08 02:10:00 tommost andy753421: Cool. I can almost imagine what it's doing by reading it.
08 02:11:00 Blazeix The "personal and non commercial" use for Sharp APL requires you to check the following "The license holder accepts to pay a one time fee of £50 excluding VAT"
08 02:12:00 chtr i recall coming across a free APL book sitting on a table in the math department a year or two ago
08 02:12:00 Blazeix The student version says "The license holder will send Dyalog a short report each year explaining his/her usage of the software including experiences good and bad"
08 02:12:00 Morasique andy753421: nicely done. sadly i can't remember enough matlab to figure out how to run it
08 02:14:00 andy753421 copy it to a file called `Live.m' and then run `matlab -r 'Live(0)'' from the same directory
08 02:14:00 andy753421 making it stop running is a little more tricky though ;)
08 02:14:00 Morasique awesome
08 02:16:00 andy753421 i should start trying to do all my matlab code in octave
08 02:16:00 chtr have you ever used octave?
08 02:16:00 andy753421 nope, you?
08 02:16:00 andy753421 from what I hear, it's basically GNU Matlab
08 02:16:00 chtr i think once before i came to rose to try to run a matlab script
08 02:17:00 tommost Oooo..
08 02:17:00 chtr i'm interested in seeing how compatible it really is
08 02:17:00 chtr oh, speaking of free alternatives to closed software, has anyone tried sage yet?
08 02:17:00 tommost Absurd: http://simonwillison.net/2009/Feb/6/json/#c43389
08 02:17:00 Morasique i tried it once, but was too lazy to learn it
08 02:17:00 andy753421 is that the stupid web inteface to a bunch of other stuff?
08 02:18:00 Morasique sage? it's the free math program
08 02:18:00 chtr no, sage is its own CAS
08 02:18:00 Morasique it does have a web interface
08 02:18:00 chtr i think it can interface with maple and such too
08 02:18:00 Morasique yeah, it can
08 02:18:00 Blazeix I tried sage sophomore year, and I remember being pretty impressed by it.
08 02:18:00 chtr i saw a post on proggit by the head programmer talking about how it's better for number theory type things
08 02:18:00 Blazeix I haven't tried it since. I actually like the web interface
08 02:19:00 Morasique tommost: that whole conversation is idiotic
08 02:19:00 Morasique these people should find firebug
08 02:19:00 andy753421 "Most of the computation is provided by an included distribution of different open source mathematical software and libraries. Currently these are PARI/GP, GAP, Singular, and Maxima."
08 02:19:00 tommost They all know about Firebug.
08 02:19:00 Morasique they should use firebug
08 02:19:00 Blazeix chtr: yeah, i remember that. He was laughing at the release notes of Mathematica, saying "Ha! Sage has had this forever!"
08 02:19:00 tommost The OP is obviously wrong, though.
08 02:19:00 Blazeix or at least the article I was reading said that
08 02:20:00 chtr is mathematica installed on any computers here?
08 02:20:00 tommost Morasique: Firebug doesn't help with what they're talking about.
08 02:20:00 chtr i remember magma at least being on clive.cs and derek.cs, but i can't access those anymore
08 02:20:00 chtr (on a side note, can CS people access those?)
08 02:21:00 tommost Haha, pwned: http://simonwillison.net/2009/Feb/6/json/#c43389
08 02:22:00 Morasique aren't they talking about debugging json?
08 02:22:00 Morasique you just linked to the same place
08 02:22:00 tommost Yeah, but they're talking about APIs and accessing it directly. Firebug is useful for debugging HTML pages.
08 02:23:00 tommost Morasique: There's an anchor on that link.
08 02:23:00 Morasique yes, both anchors were to the same place
08 02:23:00 tommost Ah, sorry, copy-and-paste fail I guess.
08 02:24:00 tommost http://simonwillison.net/2009/Feb/6/json/#c43390 is the winner.
08 02:26:00 Morasique http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9127538&intsrc=hm_list
08 02:26:00 Morasique ooo.....
08 02:26:00 Morasique "I believe that cell phones will quickly outpace the dedicated e-book readers, including the Kindle, as the platform of choice for e-book readers"
08 02:26:00 Morasique yeah...good luck with that
08 02:26:00 chtr i don't *want* an all in one device
08 02:26:00 Morasique very unix of you
08 02:27:00 tommost Cell phones are too small, obviously.
08 02:27:00 tommost My Nokia 770 is just about the perfect size.
08 02:27:00 andy753421 psh, brain implants ftw
08 02:27:00 Morasique yeah, that's why i think he's pretty much insane
08 02:27:00 chtr yes, a device practical enough for me to talk with is not practical for me to read on
08 02:27:00 Morasique andy753421: good point, i hadn't considered that
08 02:27:00 tommost I use it for e-books all the time.
08 02:27:00 Morasique i like the size of dedicated readers
08 02:27:00 Morasique i used to use my palm pilot, but it's too small
08 02:27:00 Morasique and it's way bigger than a cell phone screen
08 02:28:00 tommost "It's worth noting that Amazon.com sold more Kindles (at least 500,000) in its first year of sales than Apple sold iPods in its first year (378,000)." Um, no it's not?
08 02:28:00 andy753421 (speaking of cell phones, i want one of these: http://openmoko.com/)
08 02:28:00 Morasique it's not?
08 02:28:00 chtr andy753421: yeah, i've had my eyes on those for a while
08 02:29:00 Morasique andy753421: can it tell google where i am?
08 02:29:00 Morasique that's all i'm worried about
08 02:29:00 andy753421 it has a GPS and runs linux, so probably
08 02:29:00 Morasique awesome
08 02:29:00 tommost andy753421: Yeah, I've been on their mailing list for a couple years. I don't like their physical design, though.
08 02:30:00 chtr really, the price isn't bad for an unsubsidised phone that's completely open
08 02:30:00 andy753421 yea, i wish the screen were bigger but that's about it
08 02:30:00 chtr but i still would have a hard time bringing myself to purchase it.
08 02:30:00 andy753421 anyone know what the battery life on that is?
08 02:31:00 tommost "And now blogs are where the credibility is." WTF?
08 02:31:00 chtr woah, i should start a blog. i'd be credible then.
08 02:32:00 chtr preferably on a topic such as the governmental struggles in zimbabwe
08 02:32:00 chtr i could become an authority overnight!
08 02:33:00 tommost This guy is an idiot. How are e-books the savior of newspapers while web pages are not?
08 02:34:00 Morasique i stopped reading that article after the cell phone prediction
08 02:34:00 andy753421 i stopped reading it after i realized it was a blog about web development
08 02:35:00 tommost I didn't even notice that.
08 02:35:00 chtr web_development--
08 02:35:00 Morasique the #1 reason people will buy a kindle is the bad economy
08 02:35:00 Morasique i'm so confused
08 02:35:00 Morasique is this blog a joke?
08 02:36:00 tommost I'm getting confused since you were the one who posted the link.
08 02:37:00 Morasique well, i got excited about the release of the new kindle
08 02:37:00 Morasique he led with that
08 02:41:00 Morasique speaking of sucking, i read another page of the thorn today and found two more mistakes. do you guys edit that thing?
08 02:41:00 andy753421 yea.. i was looking though it last week and the entire last page was upside down
08 02:41:00 tommost I disclaim all responsibility. I only make spelling corrections, and only on the web page. And then only when Firefox catches them.
08 02:42:00 tommost LLOL.
08 02:42:00 Morasique i'm still blaming you
08 02:42:00 tommost My roommates are not pleased.
08 02:42:00 Morasique ?
08 02:44:00 Morasique i see
08 03:08:00 Morasique i upgraded to firefox 3
08 03:08:00 Morasique i'm scared
08 03:09:00 Morasique my beautiful addons T_T
08 03:11:00 Blazeix Morasique, you have addons that don't work in ff3? All of mine were upgraded before 3.0 actually came out.
08 03:11:00 Morasique i had like 15
08 03:11:00 Morasique last time it was much worse, and there were a couple i couldn't do without, that's why i haven't upgraded
08 03:12:00 Morasique i don't see any fatal ones this time, assuming i can get vimperator to do what i want
08 03:12:00 Morasique damn it, how is my firefox out of date?
08 03:12:00 Morasique i installed it 15 seconds ago
08 03:13:00 chtr new version released after every commit!
08 03:14:00 Morasique they detect when i'm merging and update portage simultaneously
08 03:14:00 Morasique hey, greasemonkey is unbroken
08 03:14:00 Morasique yay!
08 03:14:00 Morasique it claimed to be working perfectly while refusing to actually do anything whatsoever
08 03:15:00 Morasique i think my many youtube plugins might be conflicting
08 03:16:00 Morasique i tried playing a video from my history, the g.i. joe trailer, apparently it was taken down for "terms of use violations". yeah, when the trailer for my upcoming movie is getting millions of hits, my first reaction is to issue a takedown notice
08 03:17:00 Morasique especially when there are several other copies also posted
08 03:17:00 Morasique which were ignored
08 03:18:00 Morasique jackpot, vimperator now does what i want. i suspected it was a version problem
08 03:18:00 Morasique i amaze myself
08 03:18:00 Morasique p/P don't seem to work right anymore
08 03:18:00 Morasique strange
08 03:19:00 chtr i'm afraid to upgrade to ff3
08 03:19:00 chtr vimperator works perfectly as it is
08 03:19:00 chtr in fact, ff2 works fine
08 03:20:00 Morasique the ff2 vimperator was pretty far behind, and i had a couple .vimperatorrc customizations that wouldn't work
08 03:20:00 Morasique autocmd and command are both too new
08 03:20:00 Morasique and they're useful
08 03:20:00 chtr hm, maybe i'll give it a shot
08 03:21:00 Morasique autocmd lets you trigger things based on the page, like switching to passthrough mode (I) when you go on google reader, and command lets you bind your own : commands, so i can have :g google stuff and whatnot
08 03:21:00 Morasique the latter was what i really wanted, i lost the firefox extension that did that, that was one i wouldn't upgrade because of
08 03:21:00 chtr ah, i never use passthrough
08 03:21:00 Morasique i only use it on google reader
08 03:21:00 Morasique because it has vim-style navigation too
08 03:22:00 tommost That's an interesting feature. The way it conflicted with Reader was actually one of the reasons I stopped using vimperator.
08 03:22:00 Morasique i've just gotten in the habit of hitting I as part of my google reader hotkey
08 03:22:00 Morasique gor jumps to google reader, i type gorI
08 03:33:00 Morasique wow, they got rid of the delay on addon dialogs
08 03:33:00 Morasique mozilla++
08 03:34:00 Morasique !!! firebug is unbroken
08 03:34:00 Morasique finally
08 03:41:00 Morasique apparently firebug has a JS interface so you can build support into your website. that's cool
08 03:43:00 Morasique anybody use firebug with ff3?
08 03:58:00 Morasique autocmd FTW
08 04:10:00 Morasique oh, wow. ]] opens a link labeled "next", and [[ does "previous". that owns
08 04:12:00 Morasique vimperator has a broken link in it's local web documentation. that seems bad
08 04:18:00 Morasique oh, the new quickhint is glorious
08 04:19:00 Blazeix yeah, I'm still not used to the quickhints, but the [[ and ]] shortcuts are great
08 04:20:00 Morasique have you used the new quickhints?
08 04:20:00 Morasique i use quickhints all the time, but i also use firefox's ', which lets you type part of a link text to automatically click on it, so 'next is like [[ in vimperator. they built that functionality into vimperator's quickhints now and made it awesome
08 04:21:00 Morasique now the labeled hints are numbers, and you can either type the number or type part of the label text, and as you type it highlights potential matches until you've narrowed it to one and then auto-clicks it
08 04:21:00 Morasique it's amazing
08 04:21:00 Morasique s/[[/]]/
08 04:22:00 Blazeix I use quickhints, and sometimes extended hints if I'm feeling fancy
08 04:22:00 Morasique and it lets you type part of a link to narrow down the link label numbers, and then suddenly type a label number instead, you couldn't do that with firefox, so if 'foo matched more than one link and you wanted to click any one but the first you were screwed
08 04:22:00 Morasique no longer!
08 04:23:00 Morasique i still can't make myself use extended hints, i never think of it
08 04:23:00 Blazeix yeah the typing is great, but the number often covers up the first part of the link
08 04:23:00 Blazeix So I have to actually _remember_ stuff.
08 04:23:00 Morasique you can set custom CSS on it, but it doesn't bother me
08 04:23:00 Morasique they changed the extended hint behavior so you type the mode first instead of the label
08 04:23:00 Morasique which makes more sense i suppose
08 04:25:00 Blazeix yeah. One thing I still haven't figured out how to do is open multiple tabs using hints.
08 04:25:00 Blazeix I know you could do it in pre ff3-vimperator
08 04:26:00 Morasique you mean at once? ;t[label] does a single tab like before
08 04:27:00 Blazeix In ff2, you could do ;1,2,3,4t, and open 4 tabs at once
08 04:27:00 Morasique oh, i never knew that
08 04:28:00 Blazeix in ff3, if you do ;t1 it will remove all the hints as soon as you press 1
08 04:28:00 Blazeix it was great for google searches where I wanted to open up the first n links
08 04:28:00 Blazeix I used it all the time.
08 04:28:00 Morasique i have a gesture thing for the mouse that lets you drag a line through a bunch of links to open them, i use that a lot
08 04:34:00 Blazeix Argh. I'm messing around with NetBeans, and it's not a bad IDE, however, it looks like their plugin mirror is down.
08 04:34:00 Blazeix Which is a shame. I think that means I'll have to to bed.
08 04:37:00 Morasique Blazeix: don't be silly. plenty more internets
08 04:37:00 Morasique cool. caret mode
08 04:38:00 Morasique nice. :! lets you run shell commands
08 04:53:00 Morasique vimperator implodes if you do :js window.location='somewhere';
08 05:07:00 Morasique trac's habit of measuring time relatively annoys me. i don't want to see "2 weeks ago", i want to see "january 25th"
08 05:20:00 Morasique i would love to file a vimperator bug, but the link they have labeled "you can file a bug here" tells me i don't have permission
08 05:20:00 Morasique they have a separate page to file bugs with the website. but i don't have permission to file there either. so i'm kind of screwed
08 05:21:00 Morasique oh, i have to verify my account. nice of the web interface to ever mention that
08 05:21:00 Morasique it kept outputting "Warning: <acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0xb5d4e02c> " at the top of every page while i was unverified; i guess it was code
08 05:52:00 Morasique oh, :o takes keywords now, not just search engines. it took me way too long to discover that
08 05:55:00 Morasique yep, i hate life. i just simplified all my work into a single command
08 06:02:00 Morasique what a good idea: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/521
08 06:09:00 Morasique i like the firefox 3 buttons a lot
08 06:12:00 Morasique this is badass: http://www.shell-fu.org/lister.php?id=196
08 06:12:00 Morasique i'm not sure why bash has some sort of magic support for the non-existant /dev/tcp, but it's cool
08 06:13:00 andy753421 because `echo -e 'GET / HTTP/1.1\nHost: kinqpinz.info;\nConnection: close\n\n' | netcat kinqpinz.info 80' would be to hard
08 06:15:00 andy753421 also, that doesn't seem to work for me, unless it's some new version of bash or something
08 06:15:00 andy753421 hm.. maye i need to have bash compiled with USE=plugins
08 06:19:00 Morasique somebody commented on how plan9 has /net apparently to do the same thing
08 11:01:00 povilusr_desktop anyone know which tsc is the fastest? 1 2 or 3?
08 11:13:00 chtr Morasique: take a wild guess who made the plan9 comment ;)
08 11:44:00 povilusr_desktop andy753421 you using matlab linux, does your version have hough built in?
08 14:38:00 crr >> hough
08 14:38:00 crr ??? Error using ==> iptchecknargin at 57
08 14:38:00 crr Function HOUGH expected at least 1 input argument
08 14:38:00 crr but was called instead with 0 input arguments.
08 14:38:00 crr Error in ==> hough>parseInputs at 101
08 14:38:00 crr iptchecknargin(1,5,nargin,mfilename);
08 14:38:00 crr Error in ==> hough at 93
08 14:38:00 crr [bw, rho, theta] = parseInputs(varargin{:});
08 14:38:00 crr so, basically, yes
08 15:41:00 Morasique chtr: oh yeah, so you did
08 15:47:00 Morasique crr: pastebin. it's a wonderful technology
08 19:19:00 quark_ root@dherrup-us-pc /usr/local/apache2# bin/apachectl status
08 19:19:00 quark_ ELinks: Connection refused
08 19:19:00 quark_ any idea why apachectl would require elinks?
08 19:19:00 quark_ seems pretty weird to me
08 19:30:00 andy753421 haha, i didn't know there was a /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/
08 19:46:00 Morasique what's the difference?
08 19:47:00 Morasique oh, leap seconds. interesting
08 20:57:00 Blazeix I just installed muttator, which is vimperator for thunderbird.
08 20:57:00 Blazeix It's pretty neat.
08 20:58:00 tommost I want to try that, but it's been in alpha for at least a year now. Plus I don't use Thunderbird 3.0.
08 20:59:00 tommost Yet another thing that never actually seems to get released.
08 21:02:00 Blazeix Yeah, I've been running the alpha/beta releases of thunderbird for a while. I haven't had any stability problems
08 21:03:00 Blazeix then again, there really isn't anything groundbreaking in 3
08 21:22:00 tommost Morasique: Do you have a Pidgin plugin that blocks the AIM system message that appears when you're logged in more than once?
08 22:29:00 chtr man, visual block mode pasting just made my day.
08 22:57:00 Blazeix How do you visual block paste? I was trying to that a while ago, and the best I could come up with was repeating a macro
08 23:02:00 chtr all i did was ^V, select the area, y to copy, then ^V select the area, p
08 23:33:00 tommost I wish that I'd know it would be this easy: http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/42088
08 23:33:00 tommost Angel's code isn't even minified.
08 23:34:00 tommost I should have done that long ago.
09 01:01:00 Morasique tommost: no, but let me know if you find one, that's a good idea
09 01:01:00 Morasique i've always just closed it automatically, it didn't occur to me to make a plugin for it
09 01:03:00 Morasique that script seems circuitous, is there a reason you can't just cut out the "window.location = 'javascript:" part?
09 01:04:00 tommost It needs to run in the page's context.
09 01:05:00 tommost I could use unsafeWindow to access the ANGEL object, but I don't trust Angel with my browser's internals.
09 01:05:00 Morasique this sounds suspiciously like the same thing i didn't understand with vimerperator earlier. damn you firefox/javascript!
09 01:06:00 tommost It is kind of similar.
09 01:06:00 tommost I'd link to the page on the GM wiki, but it seems to be down.
09 01:06:00 Morasique an alarming number of your greasemonkey scripts are KoL-related
09 01:09:00 tommost Yes, especially alarming since I no longer play KoL.
09 01:09:00 tommost Since my account got deleted.
09 01:09:00 tommost glares at KoL
09 01:09:00 Morasique why?
09 01:09:00 tommost I forgot to log in for a few months after school started.
09 01:20:00 tommost http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/02/08/linglish-or-some-thoughts-on-a-scripting-language-for-the-linux-desktop#comment-135249
09 01:24:00 chtr cool.
09 01:25:00 Morasique "super handy", as it were
09 03:51:00 Morasique i like today's xkcd. i do the latter, but i think most do the former
09 03:55:00 Morasique andy753421: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/~merritt/gnuplot/canvas_demos/
09 03:56:00 andy753421 nifty
09 11:49:00 andy753421 what do you folks do for locking/login when coming back after s2ram?
09 12:04:00 chtr andy753421: i don't do anything. i supposed something like this would be adequate: s2ram -f; slock
09 12:05:00 andy753421 chtr: alright, that's what i tried doing, but i think that might be messing up x11 when it tries to come back online
09 12:06:00 chtr i just gave it a try and it worked fine on my machine
09 12:07:00 andy753421 ok, mine power cycles the LCD continuously
09 12:07:00 andy753421 although, i don't know for sure if that's related to slock
09 12:07:00 chtr the latest version of slock does weird things like that for me... i need to downgrade
09 12:07:00 chtr (it does that even when i don't suspend)
09 12:08:00 andy753421 yes, i'm thinking about ditching slock
09 12:08:00 chtr the older versions worked fine, but this one occasionally takes many tries to unlock for some reason
09 12:08:00 chtr and the whole turning on-off my lcd backlight rapidly...
09 12:08:00 andy753421 i also like having stars pop up in a box, that way i know i'm not typing into IRC or something
09 12:09:00 chtr yep, i'm waiting for that to happen
09 12:09:00 chtr well, it already has happened
09 12:09:00 chtr but i'm waiting for it again ;)
09 12:22:00 andy753421 `alock -auth pam -bg blank:color=red' might work
09 12:22:00 andy753421 no stars, but a nice red screen when you try to log in
09 12:23:00 chtr hm, i'll have to start using that.
09 12:26:00 chtr mmm, alock -auth pam -bg blank:color=PapayaWhip
09 12:26:00 andy753421 hm. suspend worked much better with that
09 12:27:00 chtr i think i like color=LemonChiffon best.
09 13:29:00 andy753421 anyone use sshfs and suspend?
09 13:30:00 andy753421 i.e. how do you make it not hang when you switch IPs?
09 16:04:00 tommost andy753421: I have auto mount/unmount scripts for my sshfs mounts. Suspending seems to bring down the network connection in the process, so I get disconnected at that point. Either that, or the ifup script is correctly killing the bad mount.
09 16:23:00 Morasique i tried suspending twice today and it was a ball of failure both times, i was fairly depressed
09 16:39:00 Morasique did somebody get the gm room/write an e-mail?
09 16:39:00 Morasique glares at TBoneULS
10 08:21:00 andy753421 wow, this function i'm writing is awesome
10 08:22:00 andy753421 it's in C, and it takes a variable number of arguments, with variable types
10 08:22:00 andy753421 sortof like ioctl
10 08:23:00 tommost Ooo... magic.
10 08:25:00 andy753421 and it's got a nice big switch statement, with fall though, shawn would be proud
10 09:47:00 andy753421 anyone now how to get a string representation of an enum?
10 09:56:00 Morasique i do in java, if you decide to switch to that
10 09:57:00 andy753421 unlikely
10 09:58:00 andy753421 i did a `char *map[] {[FOO] "FOO", [BAR] "BAR", NULL}' for the time being
10 10:06:00 octavious you could use the PP's # command to string-ize...
10 10:07:00 octavious it might get tricky though.
10 10:27:00 andy753421 maybe, the enum is stored in a variable too, so i would have to construct a table still
10 10:58:00 andy753421 Is there a loophole in the GPL where you can distribute a non-GPL source code that links to GPL source code as long as they compile it themselves?
10 11:04:00 andy753421 or even just distribute it as .o files and have them link them themselves
10 11:54:00 TBoneULS okay ... so where are we on this movie night thing?
10 11:54:00 TBoneULS I talked to mellor, I think I now need to get sam on purchasing/financing snacks
10 11:54:00 TBoneULS and we need to decide on/reserve a room if that hsn't been done yet
10 11:55:00 Morasique the main thing is to reserve the gm room so we can send out an e-mail about it
10 11:55:00 TBoneULS okay
10 11:55:00 Morasique or some other room, i just assumed the gm room was good
10 11:55:00 TBoneULS are we sure we want the gm room?
10 11:55:00 TBoneULS mellor seeme to think we might want a cs lab... i don't know why
10 11:55:00 Morasique i think that's where movie things usually happen; any other ideas?
10 11:55:00 Morasique well, that was the original plan before we decided to do an all-campus thing
10 11:55:00 TBoneULS i dont know i think that'll work
10 11:56:00 TBoneULS ill email the registar about reserving it
10 11:56:00 TBoneULS what time on friday?
10 11:56:00 TBoneULS i meant to get on this yesterday or over the weekend, it just didnt happen
10 11:58:00 TBoneULS time? anyone?
10 11:58:00 TBoneULS and whats the movie again?
10 11:58:00 TBoneULS ill go check the logs to see if we discussed this already in my absense
10 11:59:00 Morasique the movie is sneakers, we didn't really decide on a time
10 11:59:00 TBoneULS okay
10 12:00:00 TBoneULS so we should decide on a time, i need one so i can try to reserve the room
10 12:00:00 TBoneULS lets say 6PM?
10 12:00:00 Morasique 1234567890 is at 6:30pm if we're trying to include that
10 12:00:00 Morasique ok
10 12:00:00 TBoneULS should we do 6:30 then?
10 12:00:00 Morasique well, 6pm is fine, i just meant if we're trying to get 6:30pm in the range somewhere
10 12:00:00 Morasique we'll be there a couple hours
10 12:00:00 TBoneULS ya i know
10 12:00:00 TBoneULS lets say 6, ill send an email
10 12:00:00 Morasique ok, cool
10 12:03:00 TBoneULS sent
10 12:18:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/f3799e31d
10 14:31:00 TBoneULS so the gm room was reserved, they suggested e104
10 14:31:00 TBoneULS i said okay, are we sure that will work
10 14:31:00 Morasique what is e104?
10 14:31:00 TBoneULS that weird chem lab attached room
10 14:31:00 TBoneULS next to java city
10 14:32:00 Morasique ah. any room that has seats and a projector will do, that's probably fine. i don't really remember it
10 14:32:00 TBoneULS okay
10 14:32:00 TBoneULS someone should make up a flyer
10 14:32:00 TBoneULS stop reading my shit, beally
10 14:32:00 Morasique oh yeah, i remember that room now. that'll work fine
10 14:33:00 TBoneULS i can make up a flyer, just not right now
10 14:33:00 TBoneULS we should get that done asap so an email can go out
10 14:33:00 Morasique i'll make something in publisher so you can attach it
10 14:33:00 TBoneULS someone with artistic skills / someone who cares can dod it
10 14:33:00 TBoneULS i hate you
10 14:33:00 TBoneULS k gtg
10 14:33:00 Morasique i doubt any of us fulfill either of those criteria
10 14:34:00 Morasique tommost! you're an artist kind of
10 14:34:00 Morasique you should make a flyer
10 14:38:00 Morasique cowsay -f dragon-and-cow "LUG movie, E104, 6pm, Friday" | mutt -s "LUG movie night" all.campus@rose
10 14:39:00 chtr Morasique: send that line to JP
10 15:16:00 Morasique damn it. daryl/mcleish got their hands on the mac in 217, it's like the other public machines now, it wipes your profile when you log out
10 15:16:00 Morasique i hate that so much
10 15:17:00 Morasique i wonder if i can figure out how to disable it
10 15:18:00 Morasique oh good, they broke spotlight; it now returns no results regardless of the search
10 15:18:00 Morasique somebody e-mail them and tell them to go to hell. love me
10 15:19:00 Morasique yeah, i lost all my preferences too. awesome
10 15:19:00 Morasique and my senior project stuff. i wasn't using that
10 15:19:00 andy753421 ?
10 15:19:00 Morasique gah. the wallpaper just changed all by itself. i'm a little scared
10 15:19:00 andy753421 goes off to read the logs
10 15:19:00 Morasique andy753421: daryl/mcleish got their hands on the mac in 217, it wipes your profile on logout now
10 15:19:00 andy753421 oh, nice
10 15:20:00 Morasique they also broke spotlight and spaces, both of which i use regularly
10 15:20:00 Morasique on the upside, there is an auto-changing wallpaper now
10 15:20:00 Morasique it's an even trade
10 15:20:00 Morasique i can't remember what i did to get root on this machine now, i just remember it was a huge pain
10 15:20:00 Morasique i'll have to mess with it later
10 15:22:00 Morasique oh damn it. spotlight doesn't work because it needs to index the first time you login. which now means every time you login
10 15:30:00 TBoneULS the room is reserved, we have e104 from 6pm to 8:30pm this friday
10 15:32:00 TBoneULS apparently, we have to call public safety to it opened for us
10 15:36:00 Morasique yeah, that's usually how it works
10 15:36:00 TBoneULS anybody have sneakers on DVD?
10 15:37:00 Morasique i do
10 15:37:00 TBoneULS cool
10 15:37:00 TBoneULS im assuming its here?
10 21:08:00 TBoneULS so what exactly needs to be in this all campus email?
10 21:08:00 TBoneULS and i will have a copy of sneakers on dvd on firday
10 21:12:00 TBoneULS http://pastebin.com/m3f678d28
10 21:12:00 TBoneULS comments? anyone?
10 21:12:00 TBoneULS i think text based is best, although if Morasique has finished that publisher attachement....
10 21:12:00 TBoneULS and im lazy, and text is easy to write
10 21:16:00 povilusr_desktop whats the deal with food, no pizza?
10 21:17:00 TBoneULS no idea
10 21:17:00 TBoneULS no ones resonding
10 21:17:00 TBoneULS rhnoise is a bit busier
11 06:04:00 Morasique anybody else have problems with firefox 3 on hulu.com? it crashes as soon as i try to go there, every time
11 06:06:00 Morasique er. unless i google hulu.com and go to it that way; then it's fine
11 06:06:00 Morasique wtf
11 06:12:00 andy753421 `Zombie processes haunting the computer'
11 06:25:00 Morasique er. what?
11 06:26:00 andy753421 That's right.
11 06:42:00 kleinjt do any of y'all know how to save a the current document in commandline maple?
11 06:43:00 Morasique i think it's "save"
11 06:45:00 Morasique it looks like it's just for saving variables, since command-line maple doesn't really have the concept of a worksheet
11 06:45:00 kleinjt blast. good thing I've got it in a screen session on addiator then.
11 07:22:00 Morasique cool: http://mrozekma.com/virtualbox.png
11 07:30:00 Morasique wow, i've never seen this before: http://dev.aol.com/aim
11 07:30:00 Morasique my brain just exploded
11 09:25:00 Morasique it turns out they have a 1 line logout script on the macs that runs "rm -R /Users/$USER". i'm trying to figure out how i can make that not run on my account without it being really obvious
11 09:26:00 Morasique i was hoping they used some epic 500 line mechanism to do this, it seemed likely
11 14:27:00 Morasique http://www.http-stats.com/X-Pad
11 14:31:00 tommost Beautiful.
11 17:19:00 andy753421 is there a way to tell GCC to ignore multiple main thread, or to just use a specific one?
11 17:19:00 andy753421 s/threads/functions/
11 17:20:00 andy753421 I want to be able to compile each of my sources to an executable for testing, but still have them compiled together for the whole project
11 17:46:00 andy753421 also, bah, apparently the CPU/hard disk purchase didn't go tough because the persons credit card company flagged it as `suspicious' so i don't really know how long it'll be till we get the stuff
11 17:46:00 andy753421 so I think i'm just going to pull a few spare standoffs out of my current server and set everything up with one CPU/disk for the time being
11 19:14:00 Morasique andy753421: well, that makes sense. the $1300 original order wasn't suspicious, but that last supplement was a bit dodgy
11 19:14:00 andy753421 indeed..
11 19:15:00 andy753421 also, i just saw the lug movie night email
11 19:15:00 Morasique i think credit card companies flag transactions at random to give the appearance of doing something. freshman year i used to go to subway every sunday, at virtually the same time, and order the identical thing, and after 9 weeks of that the credit card company called me to tell me there was a suspicious subway transaction on my card
11 19:15:00 Morasique er. was there one?
11 19:15:00 andy753421 yea, all_campus from JP
11 19:16:00 Morasique er. odd, thunderbird forgot my password and stopped checking for mail
11 19:17:00 Morasique "groups" was still wrong, but there don't appear to be any glaring errors
11 19:34:00 Morasique i love this guy: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/02/11/9411700.aspx
11 19:45:00 Morasique this explains problems i've had with C strings: http://aszt.inf.elte.hu/~gsd/halado_cpp/ch01.html
11 19:59:00 Morasique cool, they fixed vimperator's text yank. it used to lose newlines, it was rather inconvenient
11 21:26:00 chtr_ Blazeix: when you send out the meeting reminder today, you might want to mention that we're having elections tomorrow
11 21:27:00 Blazeix chtr_: good call. what presentation do we have?
11 21:27:00 Blazeix ah. Lua
11 21:27:00 Morasique way to use those log-grepping skills
11 21:28:00 Morasique log-grepping sounds like some sort of olympic event
11 21:54:00 Blazeix Morasique: Actually, I used my mad wiki-reading skills
11 22:04:00 Morasique Blazeix: ah. that works too
11 22:28:00 andy7534211 wow, vim's omni completion for C is getting really good
11 22:30:00 mrozekma this is strange python behavior: http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m5414e70d
11 22:31:00 tommost No it's not.
11 22:31:00 mrozekma yes, it is
11 22:31:00 mrozekma it shouldn't do that, there's no error in that code
11 22:32:00 tommost Yes there is. You shadowed a global that you wanted to access.
11 22:32:00 mrozekma not yet i didn't
11 22:32:00 mrozekma if i declare a variable later it shouldn't exist before that
11 22:33:00 tommost My understanding is that locals are implemented as offsets; there are separate bytecode instructions for getting locals and globals. If anything, it's an error that it doesn't give a bytecode-compilation error instead of a runtime error.
11 22:35:00 mrozekma i don't care how they implemented it, i shouldn't be able to cause an error earlier in my function by declaring a variable later, that makes no sense at all
11 22:36:00 tommost I'd agree that the scoping of variables in Python is a bit frustrating. In particular, not having nonlocal variables until 3.0 is annoying.
11 23:07:00 andy7534211 what's FLT_EPSILON?
11 23:08:00 andy7534211 oh, apparently it's 1E-5
11 23:14:00 andy7534211 `Pixels correctly predicted: 384996 (87.0307%)' hey, that's better
11 23:14:00 chtr_ is this for a class, or robotics?
11 23:14:00 andy7534211 robotics
11 23:14:00 chtr_ for what area?
11 23:15:00 andy7534211 classifying parts of the image as grass, obsticle, or line using a decision tree
12 00:05:00 mrozekma apparently whoever coded this doesn't think one brace is enough to draw attention, so they comment each one with several more braces: http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/char-hints-mod2.js
12 00:08:00 chtr_ i'm so confused
12 00:16:00 mrozekma xpinstall.whitelist.required is a handy about:config to know about, that behavior always annoyed me
12 00:16:00 mrozekma if you disable it you can install plugins from anywhere
12 00:51:00 Morasique i changed the mac logout script to exempt me and left mcleish a friendly note in the event he ever reads that script again, i'm hoping that lets me avoid his wrath
12 00:51:00 tommost How'd you manage that?
12 00:51:00 tommost You have root on the Mac?
12 00:52:00 Morasique yeah, i did it this morning
12 00:52:00 Morasique it's not exactly hard when you're sitting in front of it
12 00:52:00 Morasique although the mac commands are stupid
12 00:52:00 Morasique ...obviously
12 09:10:00 Morasique there's a nice chart in code complete that compares the execution time of programs in different languages, with c++ as a baseline. apparently java is only 1.5 times slower, i thought it'd be higher. python and php are listed as >100 times slower
12 09:53:00 Morasique cool, suspend worked
12 09:53:00 Morasique apparently undocking first helps a lot
12 14:28:00 luglog Goodbye!
12 14:57:00 andy753421 kleinjt: is nbsmtp compiled with ssl support?
12 14:58:00 kleinjt andy753421: not sure, I got it from a package manager. I'll compile it myself to make sure.
12 14:59:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, what distro is this under?
12 14:59:00 kleinjt ubutnu, yeah, it looks like that is a known bug
12 15:01:00 andy753421 should probably update the wiki with that..
12 15:16:00 kleinjt I just got it working with msmtprc instead
12 16:02:00 Morasique "There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type 'show warranty' for details"
12 16:02:00 Morasique that's a bit paradoxical
12 16:13:00 andy753421 `show warranty' should really just cause a segfault
12 18:07:00 kleinjt Ginger ale
12 20:32:00 andy753421 http://www.1234567890day.com/
12 20:53:00 tommost Dear video drivers: please stop sucking.
12 21:20:00 tommost Dear Firefox: Please stop crashing.
12 21:33:00 tommost Dear Firefox: Same to you.
12 21:41:00 andy753421 rngd!
12 21:49:00 tommost Can emerge install more than one thing simultaneously (i.e. start one, wait for it to complete, then start another)?
12 21:50:00 andy753421 I found the cable we need for the lug server: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=12-339-140-01.jpg%2c12-339-140-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=0&Item=N82E16812339140&Depa=1&Description=Ka-Bling%206%20ft.%20PC%20Power%20Cord
12 21:53:00 tommost s/, wait for it to complete,/ and before it completes/
12 21:54:00 andy753421 yes
12 21:54:00 kleinjt tommost: if you are getting annoyed by firefox try elinks. it even does enough javascript to do webmail, and it supports ssl
12 21:55:00 andy753421 tommost: you might have to pass it the -distlocks option though
12 22:04:00 andy753421 alright, i ordered a power cable off newegg.. any bets on whether it'll get here before the other CPU and hard disks?
12 22:25:00 chtr_ i bet your credit card gets flagged for a suspicious purchase
12 22:33:00 zz BERRYS SOCCER SHOOTOUT FTW!
12 22:33:00 tommost tigger?
12 22:33:00 tommost How's pooh doing?
12 22:33:00 zz he is under the weather today
12 22:33:00 zz too much honey
12 22:36:00 zz tommost: where there errors in the thorn's puzzles last issue?
12 22:37:00 tommost I don't know. I haven't heard anything about that. I also haven't posted that issue yet because I've been so busy.
12 22:37:00 zz you get to post the answers right?
12 22:38:00 tommost Yeah.
12 22:38:00 tommost If you need them I can send them to you.
12 22:38:00 zz had a few people that couldnt wait for them but they are over them now
12 22:38:00 zz sure
12 22:38:00 zz I will forward them to them
12 22:38:00 zz er the answers to friends
12 22:39:00 tommost Okay.
12 22:42:00 zz thankyou
12 22:43:00 tommost Er, actually, I can't seem to find them. I'll have to e-mail Melissa. I'll forward them to you ASAP.
12 22:43:00 zz that's ok, not nescesity
12 22:44:00 zz just whenever you have free time
12 22:44:00 zz and how did you lose them?! dont you need to find them to put them on the intertubes?
12 22:44:00 tommost Yeah. She probably forgot to e-mail them to me.
12 22:46:00 zz I am just messing with you heh
12 22:46:00 zz anyone go to berry soccer shoot out?
12 22:47:00 zz it was a lot longer and busier then i expected
12 22:49:00 zz what do you guys to lay out the thorn? in highschool they used adobe ndesign i think
12 22:49:00 tommost Yeah, that's what we use.
12 22:50:00 zz took a journalism class, the teacher watched over the paper the previous years but other people took over
12 22:50:00 zz i forgot the word, kinda like menotr,advisor,sponser
12 22:51:00 zz our final project was a paper with all our writings in it, small group. we had someone who wrote sports for the paper so he knew what he was doing, was kinda fun
12 22:54:00 zz off to finish up some homework then bed. tommost: whenever you have free time forward it. no rush :-)
12 22:54:00 tommost Okay.
12 22:54:00 zz thanks
13 00:21:00 tommost It seems that I have a 1.2 GB kdm logfile. No wonder I don't have any free disk space.
13 00:23:00 tommost It appears to contain nothing but 1.2 GB of fglrx whining about locks.
13 00:24:00 tommost Oh, hey, it's complaining about deadlocks at the bottom. I'm glad that I don't use this crappy driver any more.
13 00:30:00 tommost Hmmm... having 3.7 GB of Linux source code isn't helping, either.
13 00:35:00 tommost make clean took care of that one.
13 00:38:00 tommost My Thunderbird profile takes up 2.7 GB. :-/
13 01:18:00 andy753421 apparently chtr_ was right
13 01:19:00 tommost How so?
13 01:19:00 andy753421 my credit card bounced on a $20 purchase from newegg
13 01:19:00 tommost Creepy.
13 09:54:00 Morasique "<@tommost> Hmmm... having 3.7 GB of Linux source code isn't helping, either."
13 09:54:00 Morasique bold assertion
13 11:35:00 povilusr_desktop pizzas are ready for pick up at papa jhons at 6 o clock
13 11:36:00 tommost Do we have a solution for the speakers?
13 11:37:00 povilusr_desktop i think baty is on that
13 12:16:00 Morasique TBoneULS: did you deal with the speakers?
13 12:27:00 Morasique there's a channel on freenode: ##1234567890
13 12:29:00 chtr_ yes, andy sent a link to a page that mentioned it last night
13 12:29:00 chtr_ i think i should join.
13 12:29:00 Morasique and so you did
13 12:30:00 Morasique i see endless question marks
13 12:30:00 Morasique i believe they're speaking russian
13 12:30:00 chtr_ me too.
13 12:38:00 Morasique well, that was fun
13 12:58:00 chtr_ good point from ##1234567890: why is xkcd today valentines themed instead of 1234567890 themed?
13 13:13:00 Morasique indeed
13 15:14:00 kleinjt the newest 1234567890 all-campus email doesn't have cowsay either
13 15:19:00 Morasique wtf mellor
13 15:33:00 chtr_ so, how's the sound stuff coming along?
13 15:50:00 andy753421 seq -10 10 | awk '{print $i, sin($i)}' > sin.dat
13 16:30:00 chtr_ so... sound?
13 17:08:00 Morasique i'm really hoping TBoneULS got us speakers
13 17:08:00 Morasique somebody should fine him
13 17:10:00 Morasique and then find him
13 17:10:00 Morasique find him and fine him
13 17:12:00 povilusr_desktop baty got speakers
13 17:13:00 Morasique oh. awesome
13 17:13:00 povilusr_desktop or at least he said he did
13 17:13:00 Morasique close enough
13 17:13:00 Morasique have him bring the dvd too, i assume you're coming together
13 17:13:00 povilusr_desktop yeah
13 17:14:00 povilusr_desktop i see it in his backpack
13 17:15:00 Morasique andy753421: what was the point of that command?
13 17:16:00 andy753421 generate a sequence of sins
13 17:16:00 Morasique for fun?
13 17:16:00 andy753421 (i was using it to test our senior project)
13 17:16:00 Morasique ah
13 17:17:00 andy753421 also, does MS PowerPoint _always_ try to drag and drop text when you right-click it, or is that just because i'm using rdesktop?
13 17:21:00 Morasique i don't think it does, but i don't remember for sure
13 18:06:00 Morasique TBoneULS: you there?
13 18:06:00 Morasique or povilusr_desktop
13 21:13:00 Morasique all of you that missed the movie night: you suck
13 21:13:00 Morasique shatly: you suck double
13 21:13:00 kleinjt it looks like it turned into a general offtopic channel, they are discussing the starwars telnet
13 21:14:00 kleinjt wrong channel
13 21:14:00 kleinjt :/
13 21:14:00 Morasique good work
13 21:14:00 tommost That was a pretty crazy movie.
13 21:14:00 Morasique a pretty AWESOME movie
13 21:14:00 Morasique glares at chtr_
13 21:14:00 tommost What did chtr_ do?
13 21:14:00 Morasique he said it was "not bad"
13 21:14:00 tommost chtr_: You should really fix that underscore.
13 21:15:00 tommost It was a movie about what screenwriters think cryptography is. I'm not sure "good" and "bad" can be used to describe that genre. They simply don't apply.
13 21:16:00 andy753421 hey, decrypting stuff turns a character terminal into a raster terminal..
13 21:17:00 tommost Yeah. TBoneULS: You should get screencaps of that scene before you send the DVD back.
13 21:17:00 Morasique that movie was far less ridiculous than most tech movies, especially considering how old it is
13 21:17:00 Morasique and virtually all the stuff janek said was right
13 21:18:00 Morasique most of the dumb things were necessary for film reasons, unlike modern movies where they're dumb because the screenwriter didn't know any better
13 21:18:00 tommost And it had Roslin.
13 21:18:00 Morasique true
13 21:18:00 Morasique always a win
13 21:19:00 Morasique kleinjt_: you suck
13 21:19:00 Morasique this happened once before
13 21:19:00 Morasique anarchy broke out pretty fast
13 21:19:00 kleinjt_ this time it is intentional
13 21:19:00 kleinjt_ do any of y'all know how to part a pm session in irssi?
13 21:20:00 Morasique /window close
13 21:20:00 kleinjt_ awesome
13 21:20:00 kleinjt_ Morasique++
13 21:21:00 kleinjt_ andy753421++
13 21:21:00 Morasique chtr--
13 21:21:00 kleinjt_ a bit late, for diagnoasing the nbsmtp
13 21:21:00 kleinjt_ and I really messed that word up..
13 21:22:00 Morasique nbsmtp is a real program, if that's what you were trying to type
13 21:22:00 Morasique oh, diagnosing
13 21:23:00 kleinjt_ yeah, that one. nbsmtp also hasn't been actively developed in a few years and was borked under ubuntu
13 21:23:00 kleinjt_ msmtp ftw
13 21:23:00 Morasique i think i use nbsmtp. i'm not really sure
13 21:27:00 Morasique i guess i should get rid of the 1234567890 countdown widget in my awesomebar. T_T
13 21:28:00 shatly Morasique: wtf
13 21:28:00 shatly you expect me to fly how far to watch a movie that i did not know about
13 21:29:00 tommost shatly: Yes, we do. And it's entirely your fault that you don't know about it. Pay attention.
13 21:29:00 Morasique it's not like we never discussed it in here
13 21:29:00 Morasique most of the conversation in here today was about it
13 21:29:00 shatly fine then, if i am a part of the group, do i get a shirt?
13 21:29:00 tommost We haven't done shirts yet.
13 21:30:00 tommost We should really get on that...
13 21:30:00 shatly if i add myself to the shirt list, how much would it cost
13 21:30:00 tommost We haven't figured that out yet.
13 21:31:00 tommost $10 -- $20, I think.
13 21:31:00 shatly so 15+shiping
13 21:31:00 shatly hummm would be fun to have a lug shirt of a school i never visited
13 21:31:00 Morasique chtr: good work
13 21:50:00 kleinjt_ shatly, I can mail you a shirt if you buy it
13 21:50:00 kleinjt_ or I may be in anchorage over spring break
13 21:51:00 Morasique assuming we ever make the shirts
13 21:52:00 kleinjt right
14 01:39:00 andy753421 chtr: do you ever use the /usr/lib/plan9/src/mk??? stuff (i.e. mkone/mkcommon)
14 01:40:00 chtr andy753421: i've only used it when writing stuff within plan9, i had forgotten that it existed in p9p
14 01:40:00 andy753421 ok
14 01:42:00 andy753421 it doesn't seem to be liking $O, `mk: don't know how to make 'desktop.o' in /foo/bar' any ideas?
14 01:43:00 chtr are you including mkhdr and mkcommon?
14 01:44:00 andy753421 i included mkhdr and mkone, mkone seems to include mkcommon
14 01:45:00 andy753421 oh wait, i'm stupid, n/m
14 01:45:00 andy753421 i had my source file named differently than I had it in the mkfile
14 01:45:00 chtr ah, ok.
14 04:06:00 Morasique andy753421: you should drop this page: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Office_Open_XML
14 04:11:00 andy753421 should we delete it or just take it off the main page?
14 04:13:00 Morasique i would think just delete it, it's useless now
14 04:47:00 Morasique rumor has it there's a way to compile java programs as flash
14 04:47:00 Morasique if so that officially destroyed the tiny chance of people still making applets in the future
14 04:48:00 andy753421 so does bad+bad=good these days as well?
14 04:50:00 Morasique i didn't say it was good, but i challenge you to find someone who likes applets more than flash
14 04:50:00 andy753421 i wouldn't mind them if they weren't so slwo
14 04:52:00 andy753421 and the fact that they hook into firefox so that java doesn't exit until you close it, and running `pkill java' crashes the entire browser
14 04:55:00 Morasique yeah, killing firefox is annoying. i screwed up in geometric modeling today with one of finn's applets and did something ridiculously complicated, it completely froze firefox forever
14 04:56:00 andy753421 pkill -9 didn't even work?
14 04:56:00 Morasique well, forever until i killed it manually
14 04:56:00 andy753421 oh
14 04:56:00 Morasique i know firefox doesn't like the overhead of one process/tab, but it should have a thing that lets you make certain tabs their own process if you think there's a danger of them sucking
14 04:56:00 Morasique and automatically do that for flash/applet tabs
14 04:57:00 Morasique i guess flash is too pervasive probably. applets though
14 04:59:00 andy753421 or just run flash in a separate process...
14 05:00:00 andy753421 and gracefully handle it exiting
14 05:00:00 Morasique i thought they already ran flash separately
14 05:00:00 Morasique but it somehow still screws up the browser when it fails
14 05:03:00 andy753421 i don't think so, at least I can't find anything in ps
14 05:03:00 Morasique sadness. they should do that
14 05:04:00 Morasique speaking of firefox, anybody know if it runs with "performance-guided optimization" under linux? they started doing it on windows last year, and gcc supports it, people have built it manually in the past and said it's insanely better, i can't figure out if it's part of the standard firefox build yet
14 05:04:00 Morasique i like to hope it's not; if it is i'm scared to think how slow firefox was before they started using it
14 05:06:00 andy753421 check the ebuild?
14 05:17:00 Morasique oh, it's "profile-guided optimzation", not performance. that probably explains my difficulties finding out stuff about it
14 05:25:00 Morasique ...how long as the wonderful <wbr> tag existed without me knowing about it? http://mrozekma.com/wbr.html
14 05:26:00 Morasique not being able to do this used to drive me crazy
14 05:26:00 andy753421 so that just makes lines really long?
14 05:28:00 Morasique browsers don't force line breaks in text without spaces, it lets you say "if you need to break this line somewhere, do it here"
14 05:29:00 Morasique wow, there's a <q> tag too that puts the right style quotes around text: http://mrozekma.com/q.html
14 05:29:00 Morasique i'm reading "5 obscure HTML tags you should know", i actually didn't know two of them, and they're both useful. i feel happy
14 05:30:00 Morasique apparently <wbr> isn't supported outside IE and firefox. T_T
14 05:32:00 andy753421 http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm ?
14 05:33:00 Morasique oh, very cool. how'd you find that so fast?
14 05:34:00 Morasique i just found ­, it does the same kind of thing but adds a hyphen if the line was wrapped
14 05:35:00 andy753421 i remembered there being something called a zero width space, so i googled but missed the result
14 05:36:00 andy753421 and ended up going to wikipedia, and found a sidebar about punctuation and clicked the link for Word dividers
14 05:37:00 andy753421 then went to zero-width space
14 05:37:00 andy753421 and found the unicode character and googled U200B
14 05:39:00 andy753421 `Thinner than a thin space' - Wikipedia on U+200A
14 05:40:00 Morasique "thinner than a thin space" has a nice ring to it
14 05:44:00 Morasique awesome, 1333333337 is in three years. i'm excited
14 05:44:00 Morasique and it's on april fools day. added bonus
14 06:03:00 Morasique \againframe in beamer is incredibly useful: http://rhlug.pastebin.com/m40d426ca
14 06:03:00 Morasique i wish i'd known about that for my dbus presentation, i used a terrible hack instead
14 12:12:00 quark_ j/w 26
14 12:12:00 quark_ yeah
14 12:12:00 quark_ thats what I said
14 12:12:00 tommost I use the zero-width space pretty frequently on the Thorn's web site.
14 12:12:00 quark_ me too :/
14 12:13:00 tommost They like to use underscores for "blanks" in puzzles, and browsers collapse consecutive underscores to a single one (WTF‽), so I stick zero width non-breaking spaces between them.
14 12:13:00 tommost It's a character you'd think completely useless until you need it.
14 12:57:00 povilusr_desktop anyone know a unix util to auto genorate a sin at a specific frequency out your sound card?
14 13:01:00 povilusr_desktop never mind
14 13:27:00 povilus woot, rick roll over tesla coil
14 13:28:00 jboticsource ahhh
14 13:28:00 jboticsource I've been rickrolled
14 13:28:00 jboticsource ( I am in the robotics pit)
14 13:45:00 povilus anyone know how to use audacity under windows?
14 13:45:00 povilus er
14 13:45:00 povilus linux
14 15:38:00 Morasique tommost: what was that syntax highlighting package for latex?
14 15:38:00 tommost Uh...?
14 15:38:00 Morasique i thought you mentioned one in here sometime recently
14 15:39:00 Morasique oh, that was chtr. i found it in the logs
14 15:39:00 Morasique nm
14 15:39:00 Morasique (listings was it, btw)
14 15:40:00 tommost Ah, cool.
14 15:41:00 Morasique i guess it's not syntax highlighting, it's just formatting. i read the description wrong the first time
14 15:43:00 tommost http://pygments.org/docs/formatters/#latexformatter
14 20:05:00 andy753421 is there a way to update FontPath without restarting X?
14 20:30:00 andy753421 that that worked, next question: Is there a way to increase the size of a GTK+ application so when I take a screenshot it's at a higher resolution?
14 20:30:00 andy753421 i.e. increase font sizes, use bigger icons, etc
14 21:19:00 Blazeix andy753421: You can change it ~/.gtkrc-2.0, by setting gtk-font-name
14 21:20:00 Blazeix like gtk-font-name = "Sans 14"
14 21:20:00 Blazeix or, if you're running gnome-settings-daemon, it will auto-resize when you change it using gconf-editor
14 21:35:00 andy753421 alright, i was having trouble getting icons to resize as well but i think i figured that out now
15 01:32:00 andy753421 apparently new builds of webkit/midori/libsoup have support for persistent cookies
15 01:33:00 andy753421 i think that might be worth switching to if I can get it working
15 01:33:00 andy753421 it loads most webpages faster than firefox even without having a cache
15 01:34:00 tommost What do you mean, persistent cookies?
15 01:34:00 andy753421 they don't get cleared when you close the browser
15 01:35:00 tommost So, like every cookie ever sent with an expiration date?
15 01:35:00 tommost And how would that make loading go faster?
15 01:36:00 andy753421 oh, it used to work, but now it stores them to the disk when you close the program
15 01:36:00 andy753421 that way you don't have to re-loging every time
15 01:36:00 andy753421 it doesn't make it any faster but it might make it nice enough for me to switch to
15 01:36:00 tommost Browsers have always stored cookies to disk...
15 01:37:00 andy753421 not midori/webkit/libsoup
15 01:37:00 tommost Oh, okay.
15 01:37:00 tommost I was very confused.
15 01:39:00 Blazeix andy753421: cool does 0.1.2 have them, or are they only in git?
15 01:39:00 andy753421 0.1.2 is supposed to have them
15 01:39:00 andy753421 i think it's more dependent on the webkit and libsoup versions though
15 01:39:00 andy753421 they don't work for me, so i'm trying to update webkit
15 06:17:00 andy753421 so midori is working pretty good, it doesn't support java applets at the moment which could make my math class a little tricky but other than that it seems good
15 06:18:00 andy753421 although it's also got the stupid firefox 3 bar thing going
15 06:27:00 andy753421 In other news, new debian release!
15 11:39:00 Morasique how did webkit not support persistent cookies? i didn't even know there was such a thing as non-persistent cookies
15 13:11:00 jboticsource http://www.debian.net/News/2009/20090214.en.html
15 13:23:00 Morasique 22 months? wow
15 19:37:00 chtr who's presenting this week?
15 19:40:00 Morasique i vote...you
15 19:41:00 chtr i'm boring and lacking a topic
15 19:41:00 chtr oh, and time. that too.
15 19:42:00 Morasique yeah, i was going to do fuse, but tenth week is a bad, bad time
15 19:43:00 tommost Who would have time...?
15 19:43:00 tommost luglog: Step up!
15 19:43:00 Morasique MEs
15 19:44:00 tommost ZetaSyanthis: You should present.
15 19:44:00 Morasique i say MEs and you think ZetaSyanthis. interesting
15 19:45:00 tommost He has a robot. That's a pretty easy presentation.
15 19:45:00 tommost Scene I: Robot walks into the room, followed by ZetaSyanthis.
15 19:45:00 tommost Scene II: "Hey guys, this is my robot." "OOOooooo..."
15 19:46:00 chtr Scene III: "It has an Airsoft gun. You might want to run."
15 19:49:00 tommost ZetaSyanthis: Were you the one working on face recognition stuff?
15 19:50:00 andy753421 so I was thinking about making face recognition stuff for robotics earlier today and then setting up a webcam so we don't have to sign-in manually anymore
15 19:51:00 Morasique i'm a fan of having a robot that can recognize people. that makes my plans so much easier...
15 19:52:00 andy753421 anyone see the independent study email from earlier today?
15 19:52:00 andy753421 isn't that just.. vhosts?
15 19:53:00 chtr nopaste?
15 19:53:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/6isdE937.html
15 19:55:00 chtr the email
15 19:55:00 chtr 's a bit unclear
15 19:55:00 Morasique i'm confused by the "different file systems" line. that seems totally irrelevant
15 19:55:00 Morasique how does that create redundancy?
15 19:55:00 chtr indeed, that's what i'm hung up on aswell
15 19:56:00 andy753421 i assumed by that they meant that each website had a different root partition
15 19:56:00 tommost I thought that he meant that each was running a different installation of whatever software they're using, and they're switching to having everyone run on the same copy of the software.
15 19:56:00 andy753421 and then maybe tried to use chroot or something?
15 19:56:00 Morasique can you run more than one root partition at once somehow?
15 19:56:00 Morasique tommost: that would make sense, but definitely isn't what the e-mail says
15 19:57:00 andy753421 Morasique: yea, just create another root partition, then chroot into it
15 19:57:00 chtr Morasique: i do it all the time
15 19:57:00 Morasique so you could actually get multiple websites running on one machine that way?
15 19:57:00 chtr no, unless they were all on different ports
15 19:57:00 tommost Well, if you're paranoid you set up apache to chroot itself.
15 19:58:00 Morasique i imagine tommost is right and they just worded the e-mail terribly
15 19:58:00 tommost I think you're all reading "file systems" too literally.
15 19:58:00 Morasique in which case, yes, that's vhosts
15 19:58:00 Morasique i'm considering going to this presentation now
15 19:58:00 andy753421 as am i
15 19:58:00 andy753421 (for the record, chroot isn't necessarily secure)
15 19:58:00 Morasique maybe they just used vhosts and tricked their client into thinking they were developing something
15 19:58:00 Morasique "good news! we submitted our work to the apache foundation and they retroactively included it in apache!"
15 19:59:00 andy753421 actually, i think that guy owns the company he's talking aobut
15 19:59:00 andy753421 so really, he just made something for himself
15 20:00:00 Morasique god that's an ugly website
15 20:00:00 tommost I was thinking that they changed their CMS to handle multiple sites in the same installation... change the permission scheme, etc.
15 20:00:00 Morasique hmm. the registrant is private
15 20:01:00 Morasique oh yeah, it is his
15 20:01:00 Morasique wow. that seems unfair. i should've taken this "independent study"
15 20:01:00 Morasique i encourage everyone to read the source, btw: http://www.vortexwebsolutions.com/
15 20:01:00 andy753421 i think doing something for yourself it generally the whole point of independent study
15 20:02:00 Morasique i didn't know we had that, why wouldn't everybody take it?
15 20:02:00 Morasique you get credit hours, right?
15 20:02:00 andy753421 yea, i took an independent research during sophomore year
15 20:03:00 tommost Scroll all the way down: http://www.dollardaze1.com/
15 20:03:00 Morasique i always find out about these things too late
15 20:03:00 Morasique tommost: wow. you win
15 20:04:00 Morasique i don't understand why web "companies" run by students are always so much worse than the average student web designer
15 20:04:00 andy753421 i imagine if you're running a company your goal is to make money and not necessarily to make good webpages
15 20:05:00 Morasique i would think the former would follow from the latter
15 20:05:00 andy753421 maybe you can probably convince clients that <blink> is really cool and took a long time to implement and should cost extra
15 20:05:00 chtr seems ethical.
15 20:06:00 Morasique sadly, it doesn't work in IE
15 20:06:00 Morasique maybe they marqueed it in IE
15 20:06:00 Morasique oh, they used CSS for it
15 20:06:00 Morasique i didn't even know CSS had blink
15 20:07:00 chtr i didn't even know there were people childish enough to want to use blink today.
15 20:07:00 Morasique it's not <blink>, it's "text-decoration: blink". that makes it ok
15 20:07:00 andy753421 i always want to use <blink>
15 20:08:00 andy753421 goes off to surround lug.rose-hulman.edu in <blink> tags
15 20:12:00 Morasique i approve
15 20:13:00 tommost carbermr: Would you like to give a presentation at the next LUG meeting?
15 20:15:00 Morasique who is carbermr?
15 20:20:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/blink.user.js
15 20:20:00 Morasique i'm happy right now
15 20:21:00 Morasique i may leave this on
15 20:22:00 Morasique Blazeix suggested having it do it once every 100 times or so. i'm considering it
15 20:22:00 chtr that's glorious
15 20:23:00 tommost <body> inside <div>‽
15 20:23:00 Morasique tommost: i wasn't too worried about web standards
15 20:24:00 chtr hah, web standards
15 20:24:00 Morasique i suppose looping through all <body>'s children and adding them would've been better
15 20:25:00 tommost I'd probably just do a JavaScript loop that sets body.style.display = "none".
15 20:25:00 tommost Or, you know, document.body.style.textDecoration = "blink".
15 20:25:00 tommost It's not like you need the <div>....
15 20:27:00 Morasique oh, that didn't occur to me. i originally did it with a <blink> tag, but it wasn't working
15 20:27:00 andy753421 wow, we're still talking about <blink>?
15 20:27:00 Morasique andy753421: yes :)
15 20:27:00 Morasique i wrote a greasemonkey script that makes all pages blink
15 20:27:00 Morasique tommost was telling me how to do it simpler
15 20:27:00 Morasique he's an expert on blink
15 20:27:00 andy753421 does it involve a faulty VGA cable?
15 20:28:00 Morasique that would've worked too
15 20:29:00 andy753421 while xset dpms force standby; do xset dpms force on && sleep 1; done
15 20:30:00 Morasique i had a script once that changed the lcd brightness so it kept fading in and out, but i had a feeling it probably wasn't good for the lcd so i stopped
15 20:40:00 carbermr By the way, I'm Matt. I came to a couple of the first meetings of the year, but stopped. I just finally got around to figuring out gentoo.
15 20:41:00 tommost carbermr: You should tell us about what it's like to be new to Gentoo. And compare it to any other distros you've used.
15 20:42:00 carbermr Being new to Gentoo is disorienting. I've used debian or ubuntu mainly, but I've dabbled in slackware.
15 20:43:00 tommost Ah, then I'd be particularly interested. I'm an Ubuntu user, so I'm curious what the difference is.
15 20:43:00 carbermr I probably should have read more about USE flags before I started.
15 20:44:00 tommost Well, if you don't want to do it for this week you could keep it in mind for later this year. We're always looking for presenters.
15 20:45:00 carbermr I should probably delve more into it. I pretty much just got it working 4 hours ago.
15 20:46:00 carbermr Also, I'm using awesome and mplayer windows float in the middle of the screen. is there a way to make them tile like a normal window?
15 20:52:00 Morasique carbermr: awesome 3?
15 20:53:00 Blazeix carbermr: I could never get gmplayer to tile, so I switched to the console version. You might try gnome-mplayer though, If you set it to 'always display the playlist' it will tile for you.
15 20:53:00 Morasique there's a variable called "floatapps" in your awesome config (~/.config/awesome/rc.lua), take the line about mplayer out of it
15 20:54:00 Blazeix gmplayer uses its own weird gui toolkit. On my computer it will sort of tile, but the interface turns black
15 20:54:00 Morasique oh. strange
15 21:10:00 carbermr hmm. gnome-mplayer crashes.
15 21:11:00 carbermr Enough of this. I need to go get some actual work done. Later.
15 22:24:00 andy753421 `#define foo(...) foo(__VA_ARGS__, NULL)' is really nice
15 22:25:00 chtr where would you use that?
15 22:26:00 andy753421 a lot of stuff takes NULL as a last parameter
15 22:28:00 andy753421 for instance, http://rafb.net/p/TxFwW939.html
15 22:29:00 chtr ah
15 22:30:00 Morasique that's clever
15 22:37:00 Morasique oh, i'm watching a presentation about vim stuff, that {{{ thing i was making fun of a few days ago is vim syntax, it means that block can be folded
16 00:04:00 Blazeix Morasique: Is that video worth it? I got about 15 minutes into it and gave up.
16 00:05:00 Blazeix hm. I no longer have the ability to scroll in a browser tab if there is flash in that tab.
16 00:05:00 Blazeix that took a while to narrow down. I thought I was going crazy
16 00:06:00 Morasique Blazeix: no, not really
16 00:22:00 Blazeix I'm registering on a website, and they allow alphanumerics and symbols, but no spaces.
16 00:22:00 Blazeix That makes me think I should not be sharing my information with them.
16 00:24:00 Blazeix wow. The image upload form they have on the profile is Adobe Flex. That seems like overkill.
16 01:12:00 Morasique wow. you can write pam modules in python
16 01:17:00 chtr sounds like a stunning idea
16 01:18:00 chtr i wonder if you can fit pascal strings in there somehow
16 01:21:00 Morasique what's with you and pascal strings suddenly?
16 01:21:00 chtr robotics today was fun
16 01:21:00 chtr glares at tommost
16 01:22:00 tommost I tried to use Python's struct module's p for a P-string and it didn't seem to work properly. chtr was very derisive.
16 01:23:00 chtr i think andy753421 was even more derisive
16 01:23:00 tommost This page is excellent: http://web.reed.edu/cis/Help/LaTeX/bibtexstyles.html
16 01:24:00 tommost chtr: I wrote it correctly the first time; the p only got in there because andy753421 asked me to commit code that I'd been editing but hadn't tested yet.
16 01:24:00 tommost He then was annoyed when it didn't work.
16 01:24:00 tommost Anyway, paper to write.
16 01:24:00 chtr no need to get defensive, i'm just joking
16 01:25:00 chtr i've just used alpha.bst in the past. i might have to remember this if i ever have a prof that requires a certain style
16 01:27:00 tommost I used apa.bst in the past, but Casey has decided on a format that is "basically MLA". Apparently there was citation chaos when we turned in our first paper.
16 01:28:00 tommost Reed College's web site is much prettier than ours.
16 01:30:00 tommost Scary: http://web.reed.edu/student_life.html (stare at it for a second)
16 01:30:00 chtr i'm so scared right now.
16 01:35:00 tommost dpick: You made it past single-user mode?
16 01:35:00 dpick tommost: i'm in windows
16 01:35:00 tommost :(
16 01:36:00 dpick yeah, i think i'll just format the whole thing over break, it needed it anyway
16 01:37:00 tommost I should do that with my laptop. I'll do that as soon as my motherboard RMA arrives, I guess.
16 01:38:00 dpick the real question is should I bother installing windows along with it
16 01:38:00 chtr and the real answer is: no
16 01:40:00 dpick is there anything windows based I need for networks or plc? The only reason I had it partitioned this quarter was for databases
16 01:40:00 chtr networks is entirely C on linux
16 01:40:00 tommost Yup.
16 01:40:00 chtr and scheme interpreters exist for linux as well
16 01:40:00 Morasique plc is all scheme, you can do it on linux
16 01:41:00 tommost Awesome.
16 01:41:00 Morasique all the grading is done on a linux machine anyway
16 01:41:00 dpick sweet
16 01:41:00 chtr dpick: for future reference: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Course_List
16 01:42:00 tommost Is the note on CSSE375 still true?
16 01:42:00 dpick thanks chtr
16 01:43:00 Morasique no
16 01:43:00 Morasique we had no required software for the class, it was just whatever you needed to do your project
16 01:45:00 chtr lamb Hannigan
16 01:46:00 chtr (the captcha i just got for the lug wiki)
16 02:14:00 Morasique oh cool, the vim * command works in vimperator too
16 04:15:00 octavious http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2538831956647446078
16 04:16:00 octavious google talk by bram moolenaar (vim creator)
16 04:17:00 andy753421 did he give a second one? (what's the 2.0 for?)
16 04:17:00 octavious he explains that he gave a previous similar talk in holland or something...
16 04:18:00 andy753421 oh, alright
16 11:16:00 andy753421 I think every program needs a checkbox laled `More Colorful'
16 11:29:00 Morasique agreed. i actually like this lecture. or this subject, anyway
16 13:14:00 Morasique ext4 has file creation timestamps
16 13:14:00 Morasique ext4 > ext3
16 13:16:00 Morasique based on the giant tables on wikipedia, there are no other differences
16 13:17:00 Morasique oh, no, here we go. some other things i don't understand are different
16 13:19:00 quark_ it supports larger filesystems doesn't it?
16 13:22:00 Morasique maybe. with my pitiful hard disk it's not a concern
16 13:23:00 quark_ yeah
16 13:37:00 chtr once those 1PB platters become common place...
16 16:15:00 tommost Does anyone here have experience with dual PCI-Express graphics cards?
16 16:15:00 tommost I can't get X to start with both of them installed... GDM fails on boot.
16 19:26:00 quark_ do any of you guys have a wii?
16 19:27:00 quark_ and stream media to it
16 19:37:00 tommost I have a wiimote, and control a robot with it.
16 19:42:00 quark_ not near as cool
16 20:00:00 tommost No, it's left streaming media far behind in the dust.
16 20:00:00 Morasique i don't know, streaming media is pretty sweet
16 20:04:00 Blazeix I was just thinking about changing the font of my console.
16 20:04:00 Blazeix luckily, there happens to be a terminal-font-war going on in proggit right now
16 20:23:00 Morasique yeah, that's getting old
16 20:23:00 Morasique especially since terminus is clearly the best font
16 20:33:00 Blazeix That's what I currently use
16 20:34:00 Blazeix I'm thinking about moving to Inconsolata-dz
16 20:34:00 Morasique Blazeix: then i'm confused by your desire to switch
16 20:34:00 Morasique inconsolata is nice too
16 20:34:00 Blazeix the -dz makes it so you have straight quotes rather than the curved ones.
16 20:36:00 Morasique tommost would be crushed
16 20:36:00 tommost That sounds reasonable to me. Though inconsolata's quotes are barely curved in the first place.
16 23:31:00 Blazeix huh. My console-kit-daemon has spawned 62 threads.
16 23:31:00 Blazeix That seems unnecessary.
16 23:32:00 Morasique it's always like that
16 23:32:00 Morasique https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/148454
16 23:40:00 Blazeix Hmm. Is console-kit-daemon even needed? It seems like its some sort of multi-user-management thing for large systems.
16 23:40:00 Blazeix I guess hal depends on it, but nothing bad seems to happen if I kill it.
16 23:40:00 Morasique i think when i ran into that problem on ubuntu i dropped it without any issues
16 23:40:00 Blazeix If I lose connection suddenly, you'll know what happens.
16 23:41:00 Morasique the logic bomb i put on your laptop ages ago finally struck?
16 23:44:00 Blazeix I meant that console-kit-daemon was needed. I found the logic bomb a while ago.
16 23:45:00 Morasique you found the one i wanted you to find
16 23:45:00 Morasique there are 17
16 23:45:00 Morasique they're set to go off when shadghost hugs someone
16 23:46:00 tommost hugs shatly
16 23:46:00 Morasique i infected your "apache server operating system", as the one security group said today
16 23:48:00 Blazeix yeah, there were a few WTFs today, although not as many as I expected there to be.
16 23:48:00 Blazeix about average for what chidanandan normally does.
16 23:48:00 Morasique any day where we screw up less than chidanandan is a win
16 23:49:00 Morasique hmm. this is the logged channel
16 23:49:00 Morasique oh well
16 23:49:00 Morasique she'll never find out Morasique is really Joel Beally
16 23:49:00 Morasique oops
16 23:57:00 Morasique somebody should present on how to write pam modules
16 23:57:00 Morasique because i couldn't get mine to work
16 23:59:00 chtr did you write it in python?
17 00:02:00 Morasique no
17 00:02:00 Morasique tempting though
17 00:02:00 chtr i've had issues getting pam modules i didn't write to work properly
17 00:05:00 Morasique i tried to write one that just succeeded no matter what, and i added it to the sshd rules and then i couldn't ssh anymore, i just got disconnected right away
17 00:05:00 Morasique you should figure it out and present on it
17 00:06:00 chtr i seem to recall andy753421 doing stuff with pam
17 00:41:00 MrBucket101 anybody in here with a GTX 200 series card?
17 00:41:00 MrBucket101 <- driver troubles
17 01:18:00 chtr why is this guy so awesome (why yes that was a pun thanks for noticing)? http://waferbaby.com/setup/2009/02/13/_why
17 01:31:00 tommost I'll have to read that tomorrow.
17 02:07:00 Blazeix wow. 'Update 4' is excellent. http://2dboy.com/2009/02/12/world-of-goo-linux-version-is-ready/
17 10:43:00 quark_ for thoes of you with a sophmore laptop what does your alsamixer look like?
17 10:43:00 quark_ ? Card: HDA Intel ?
17 10:43:00 quark_ ? Chip: Analog Devices AD1981
17 10:52:00 octavious thought you guys (might?) find this interesting: http://cacr.iu.edu/summit/presentations/jones.ppt
17 10:57:00 Morasique oh, awesome
17 11:08:00 andy7534211 ahh, my backslashes are increasing exponentially
17 11:11:00 andy7534211 ok, want to try the new version?
17 11:14:00 Morasique is he talking to somebody?
17 11:16:00 andy7534211 oh, the second message was to someone else
17 13:35:00 andy753421 did anyone go to that web development talk?
17 13:37:00 Morasique i swore i asked that in here earlier, but apparently i'm confused
17 13:37:00 Morasique i was in class at the time
17 13:38:00 andy753421 yea, i just forgot
17 14:24:00 Morasique it's very cool that you can do "cat /dev/sda | nc -l -p 1234" on one machine and "nc 1.2.3.4 1234 > /dev/sda" on another and it works
17 14:25:00 chtr it's very cool that i've actually used that.
17 14:25:00 Morasique impressive
17 14:25:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever used netcat for anything. it makes me sad
17 14:26:00 Morasique -e is the greatest switch ever
17 14:52:00 Morasique http://wiki.github.com/rupa/j
17 14:53:00 chtr Morasique: yep, i was just looking at that.
17 14:56:00 chtr it's crazy.
17 14:57:00 Morasique you should try it and let me know if it's actually helpful
17 14:57:00 chtr i am trying it
17 14:57:00 chtr it's crazy
17 14:58:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/dTK4Vu24.html
17 14:58:00 chtr i like it.
17 15:00:00 Morasique you'd been to that 380 directory before, right? it didn't just magically find it?
17 15:02:00 Morasique wow, it's really short
17 15:03:00 chtr yeah
17 15:04:00 Morasique does this only work under bash?
17 19:27:00 andy753421 can you do `cat - <<EOF' from a makefile?
17 19:28:00 Morasique can you have input in a makefile?
17 19:29:00 andy753421 what?
17 19:29:00 Morasique doesn't that read from stdin? i didn't think stdin worked in a makefile
17 19:30:00 andy753421 it should work but `cat - <<EOF' will redirect stdin from the script
17 19:30:00 andy753421 e.g. `cat - <<EOF\nhello\nworld\nEOF'
17 19:31:00 Morasique oh, i see. interesting
17 19:31:00 chtr does this have anything to do with gnuplot?
17 19:31:00 andy753421 no
17 19:34:00 chtr so... meeting?
17 19:34:00 tommost Oh, I should get over there...
17 19:34:00 andy753421 oh yea, i forgot what time it was
17 19:35:00 Morasique trac shows the last commit message for each folder in the repository, i'm looking at some of them
17 19:35:00 Morasique "fuquawa: Just to be inflammatory, updating the Rose seal to the new version. "
17 19:35:00 Morasique "fuquawa: Another commit just to stick it to Mike. "
17 19:35:00 Morasique "leeis: winter quarter poster board. yeah, thats right, i just blew your mind! "
17 19:38:00 Morasique Blazeix: i hate isaac. how many times did i remind him about the journal? four?
17 19:39:00 Blazeix yeah. Have you seen kris's journal?
17 19:39:00 Blazeix It's sad
17 19:39:00 Morasique yeah, it's always been like that
17 19:43:00 chtr journal?
17 19:43:00 Morasique for senior project
17 19:43:00 Morasique we have to keep journals
17 19:43:00 Morasique like teenage girls
17 19:45:00 Morasique one of my teammates is ten weeks behind, the other only has entries for five random weeks
17 19:47:00 quark_ is senior project pass fail?
17 19:48:00 Morasique no
17 19:48:00 Blazeix hmm, and another certain teammate is five weeks behind
17 19:48:00 Blazeix glares
17 19:48:00 Morasique Blazeix: i'm writing it now
17 19:48:00 Blazeix yeah, I figured
17 19:48:00 Morasique s/writing it/copy-pasting yours/
17 19:48:00 Blazeix that's basically what I did for first quarter
17 19:48:00 Morasique nice
17 19:48:00 Morasique i just summarize the agendas generally
17 20:13:00 dpick anybody had issues getting awesome 3 to compile on ubuntu 64?
17 20:24:00 Morasique this site has some epic ajax: http://www.mint.com/
17 20:53:00 Blazeix Morasique: Yeah, I use that site. The ajax never works.
17 23:20:00 chtr so... presentation thursday?
17 23:25:00 Morasique yes
17 23:42:00 Blazeix My cd blanking software, upon successful blanking, gives two options: Close, and Reblank.
17 23:42:00 Blazeix just in case the first blanking didn't do a good enough job?
17 23:48:00 Morasique Blazeix: you should send them a ticket saying no matter how many times you reblank, it still offers the option
17 23:48:00 Morasique also, i rather like ant, i don't know why everybody's always hating on it
17 23:49:00 chtr shudders
17 23:49:00 Morasique by everybody, i mostly mean chtr
17 23:49:00 Morasique is it just the xml?
17 23:49:00 chtr i guess my question would be, why do you like it?
17 23:49:00 chtr that's a minor part of it, it's a pain to track down and understand rules and dependencies
17 23:50:00 Morasique it took me like 45 seconds to make one that worked for our senior project, and compiling java projects from the command-line is annoying
17 23:50:00 Morasique i think it was faster to write the ant script than to do it manually
17 23:50:00 chtr in that case ant probably isn't too bad
17 23:51:00 chtr this summer i was dealing with build.xmls that were >600 lines long
17 23:51:00 Morasique i was going to write a makefile originally, and then realized i don't even know if it's possible
17 23:51:00 Morasique yeah, i was too
17 23:51:00 Morasique i didn't really try to understand them
17 23:51:00 chtr when things didn't build becuase they required libraries in certain locations, it was fun to try to find where that was specified
18 05:04:00 shatly hugs tommost
18 05:06:00 shatly ttp://designdana.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/hugging-walls/
18 05:06:00 shatly http://designdana.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/hugging-walls/
18 07:08:00 kleinjt http://designdana.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/hugging-walls/ [07:07] [kleinjt(+ei)] [5:freenode/#rhlug(+cnt)]
18 07:08:00 kleinjt [#rhlug]
18 09:36:00 tommost The Internet access throttling on the terminal servers is very annoying.
18 10:31:00 Morasique tommost: you should not use them
18 10:31:00 tommost It's better than installing PowerPoint on my own system.
18 10:32:00 tommost It's just annoying when you're grabbing background images from flickr.
18 10:32:00 Morasique tommost: beamer :)
18 10:33:00 tommost That would be work. Also, it would encourage having text on the slides instead of massive images, which is bad.
18 19:35:00 andy753421 anyone know of a good way to export trac wiki pages for offline viewing?
18 19:52:00 Morasique andy753421: file -> print
18 19:52:00 chtr #rhlug is always super helpful
18 19:52:00 Morasique that seems logical to me
18 19:52:00 Morasique file -> print -> pdf
18 19:53:00 Morasique maybe that was clearer
18 19:55:00 andy753421 i would like to have nice indexes and such, and not have the headers and all that
18 19:58:00 tommost wget -r + bash
18 21:56:00 Blazeix So, we don't have a presentation for tomorrow, right?
18 21:57:00 chtr not yet, sadly
18 21:58:00 Morasique if we wait long enough, eventually chtr will cave
18 21:59:00 chtr i'm sure theres something plan9y i could present on
18 22:02:00 chtr ...but you don't want me to do that, so someone else present
18 22:05:00 Morasique well played
18 22:06:00 Blazeix aww, arch linux has changed their release name theme.
18 22:06:00 Morasique no!
18 22:06:00 Morasique oh, wait, arch. nm
18 22:06:00 Morasique you should present on it
18 22:06:00 Blazeix They used to have neat names like "Overlord" and "Don't Panic," but they switched to the Year.Month thing, like Ubuntu
18 22:08:00 chtr i'm disillusioned with ubuntu because they choose poor names
18 22:08:00 chtr really, ``jaunty jackalope'' over ``jaundiced jaguar''?
18 22:09:00 Blazeix I was hoping for Jabberwock.
18 22:10:00 Blazeix Jubilant Jabberwock has a nice ring to it.
18 22:12:00 chtr "Coma" is not the sort of name I'd use if I were striving to present a professional image. -M Horton
18 22:15:00 collinjc Awesome. I just made a VI for 380 that will automatically detect the appropriate frequencies to remove.
18 22:16:00 chtr that sounds like you put way more effort into this miniproject than i did
18 22:17:00 collinjc I was bored and certain there must be a way to do it.
18 22:19:00 tommost Miniproject? Is this Doering?
18 22:19:00 collinjc Padgett.
18 22:20:00 tommost Nonetheless, I smell Doering's influence. Unless the whole ECE department is mad for mini-*.
18 22:20:00 collinjc Oh, definitely. I have the same suspicion.
18 22:21:00 chtr these miniprojects are fun though
18 22:22:00 collinjc Until you accidentally close the terminal that was running your VM, at least. I wonder how long ago I saved.
18 22:22:00 chtr saving + regular svn commits = saftey
18 22:25:00 collinjc All is well. I only lost some connection cleanup stuff.
18 22:27:00 Morasique collinjc: nohup ftw
18 22:28:00 collinjc Morasique: Yeah, I should really update my script to take care of that.
19 10:59:00 Morasique what's the cause of not being able to free disk space? i've heard of it before but never paid much attention
19 10:59:00 Morasique i have tons of inodes, that's the only thing i can think of
19 11:00:00 Morasique df says i have 55gb total, 53gb used, 0 available
19 11:02:00 Morasique oh cool, it's starting to show free space now that i've deleted enough. the numbers still don't add up, i'm missing 2gb somewhere
19 11:03:00 Morasique openoffice 3 takes up a ridiculous amount of space, i tried emerging it overnight and the portage tmp directory is several gb
19 11:04:00 Morasique 2.8gb, to be exact. wtf
19 11:05:00 tommost Morasique: Is the binary package still ridiculous?
19 11:05:00 tommost I'm wondering why OO.o is always suck.
19 11:07:00 Morasique i don't know, i haven't tried it. i've been running off an old development build of OO.o3 so i figured i might as well switch to the release version since it's out now. that was a bad move
19 11:07:00 tommost I'm still on OO.o2. Is there any less suck in 3?
19 11:08:00 Morasique it has a couple features i really wanted at the time; the big one is notes appearing in the margins like they do in word, i needed that for something i was working on
19 11:08:00 Morasique there was something else important they fixed in 3, but i don't remember what it was now
19 11:09:00 Morasique i guess getting native office 2007 support was good
19 11:10:00 Morasique oh yeah, and that was when openoffice had decided to completely stop printing on my machine, so i upgraded hoping it would fix it. sadly, it did not
19 11:10:00 Morasique switching to gentoo did, however
19 11:10:00 tommost That has worked for forever for me in 2. Was that something Canonical hacked on, or was it in an official build?
19 11:10:00 Morasique are you using the hack that was on the wiki?
19 11:10:00 Morasique that's what i used under 2
19 11:11:00 tommost No, it has "just worked" since about three Ubuntu releases ago.
19 11:11:00 Morasique oh. interesting
19 12:11:00 Morasique chtr: so what are you going to present on?
19 12:11:00 chtr Morasique: you mean what are you going to present on
19 12:12:00 Morasique maybe you could present on your confusion over which of us is presenting
19 12:12:00 chtr or you could do the same
19 12:14:00 Morasique we could do a joint presentation on how neither of us is going to present today
19 12:47:00 Morasique interesting. if portage detects a collision with an existing system file, it checks all installed packages to see if the file belongs to one of them, and if not it overwrites it
19 12:49:00 Morasique wow. the new openoffice loads way faster than the build i was using. score
19 12:57:00 Morasique i'm jealous of the space-cadet keyboard and it's many modifier keys
19 13:13:00 Morasique tommost: good news. you're presenting today
19 15:04:00 Morasique is portage supposed to clear out it's tmp directory? mine has 31000 files in it
19 16:16:00 Morasique gimp's "select by color" is awesome
19 17:17:00 chtr andy753421: how's the server
19 18:45:00 andy753421 yo
19 18:45:00 andy753421 so i tried ordering the cable for the server again, and got rejected again
19 18:45:00 andy753421 then I tried ordering it again but paying though paypal and it worked
19 18:46:00 andy753421 so apparently credit card companies just hate newegg these days
19 18:46:00 andy753421 and I emailed sarah about the rest of the actual purchase again this morning/last night but haven't gotten a response back yet
19 19:35:00 andy753421 wow, how did i not know about svn propedit
19 19:47:00 jboticsource http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2760/1234385828419xd8.jpg
19 20:19:00 Morasique andy753421: i'm not sure, i use that all the time
19 20:23:00 andy753421 i've always used propget and propset, and i always hated it
19 20:54:00 Morasique andy753421: oh, i see, i use propset too now that you mention it. propedit looks handy, although the only property i ever set is Id so i just have it aliased
19 20:55:00 Morasique jboticsource: that picture is 100% right
19 20:55:00 andy753421 what does ld do?
19 20:55:00 andy753421 if you don't use svn:ignore, you should
19 20:56:00 jboticsource morasique: I was wondering how they read my mind
19 20:56:00 chtr tab completion is a wonderful thing
19 20:56:00 Morasique andy753421: oh, that too on occasion, but i do it through eclcipse
19 20:56:00 Morasique er. eclipse
19 20:57:00 Morasique er. ld like the linker?
19 20:57:00 chtr i think he misread Id as ld
19 20:57:00 Morasique oh, i see
19 20:58:00 Morasique i suppose the property is svn:keywords, Id is the value
19 21:03:00 andy753421 what does that do?
19 21:03:00 Morasique replaces $Id$ in the file with a line about the current revision
19 21:03:00 Morasique e.g. $Id: 2-10.tex 331 2009-02-19 21:30:52Z mrozekma $
19 21:03:00 andy753421 hm, ok
19 21:04:00 Morasique there's a bunch of $Foo$ keywords you can replace, Id is the only one i remember since i use it all the time
20 10:11:00 Morasique aspell is nice, i've never used the command-line tool directly before
20 10:12:00 andy753421 what do you us it for?
20 10:13:00 andy753421 (i assume emacs does spellcheck)
20 10:14:00 Morasique emacs uses aspell to do it, that's the main thing i use it for, but i just used aspell -c to spell-check a file, it's pretty cool
20 10:29:00 tommost http://xph.us/2009/02/02/rem-in-firefox.html
20 10:32:00 Morasique i should be excited about that, but i'm just depressed thinking about how internet explorer is going to fuck it up and wondering what sort of hacks will be required to fix it
20 12:25:00 Morasique sometimes gimp gets confused and refuses to let me move anything, it shows a forbidden symbol next to my cursor, but if i restart gimp it's fine again
20 12:38:00 quark___\0 http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1235149895706.jpg
20 12:38:00 quark___\0 its not dirty
20 12:39:00 quark___\0 pretty funny
20 13:01:00 chtr does anyone in/around the cs labs have a laptop booted into windows?
20 13:03:00 collinjc Will a VM count?
20 13:03:00 chtr can you burn through it?
20 13:03:00 chtr actually i might have come up with a solution
20 13:03:00 collinjc No, I cannot, sadly.
20 13:03:00 collinjc My burner barely works at all. I really need to have IAIT look at it.
20 13:07:00 kleinjt five of the last five cds or dvds I've burned have been coasters
20 13:07:00 chtr they've locked down voodoo and phantom to the point that you can't burn with them any longer
20 13:09:00 collinjc Didn't you know? Burning CDs can be a critical security flaw in Windows.
20 13:10:00 chtr these machines were usable last year
20 13:17:00 chtr yay, bios is updated. now i can actually use kvm on the loaner laptop.
20 13:21:00 chtr or not, as my kernel claims that kvm is disabled by bios. lies.
20 13:26:00 chtr it's definitely enabled. i hate this laptop.
20 13:47:00 Morasique i've run into a problem with more than one OS group where strcpying into an un-malloced destination works on ubuntu, but not on gentoo. C is a terrible language
20 13:47:00 Morasique or ubuntu is a terrible distro. i haven't decided yet
20 13:47:00 andy753421 they are terrible programmers?
20 13:49:00 Morasique well, i decided that long ago, but i maintain that the behavior shouldn't be different on different machines. that's weird
20 13:53:00 chtr that's rather strange.
20 13:57:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/WlkiCe65.html
20 14:02:00 chtr addiator is ridiculous right now
20 14:04:00 andy753421 hehe, and now the 10,11,12th top program are.. top
20 14:05:00 chtr iait needs another compute server
20 14:05:00 Morasique there's abacus and sliderule
20 14:05:00 Morasique and the math ones
20 14:06:00 Morasique icfb.exe--
20 14:06:00 chtr abacus and sliderule are vms, aren't thye?
20 14:07:00 Morasique possibly. they're run by the cs department now, and they do love vms
20 14:07:00 chtr 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc Abstract SVGA II Adapter
20 14:07:00 chtr yep.
20 14:07:00 Morasique T_T
20 14:08:00 Morasique i like htop on addiator, the 8 cores look impressive
20 14:28:00 tommost Yes, very impressive.
20 14:33:00 tommost andy753421: You should update the htop on addiator; it's missing the "Display threads in a different color" option.
20 14:34:00 Morasique andy753421--
20 14:41:00 andy753421 hush
20 14:49:00 Morasique andy753421: shouldn't you be assembling the urban terror/lug server
20 14:58:00 andy753421 we still don't have parts for it *grumble* *grumble*
20 14:59:00 Morasique andy753421: shouldn't you be driving to the newegg headquarters to get the parts for the urban terror/lug server
20 14:59:00 andy753421 i think Sarah Erhart should be doing that actually, seeing as she's the one who's supposed to be paying for it
20 15:00:00 Morasique andy753421: shouldn't you be making sarah erhart drive to the newegg headquarters to get the parts for the urban terror/lug server?
20 15:00:00 Morasique i remembered the ? that time. it only took three tries
20 15:00:00 tommost Morasique: I was about to make a disparaging comment. Good save.
20 15:01:00 andy753421 I emailed her yesterday inquiring about the status of her credit card, but have not yet received a response
20 15:01:00 Morasique andy753421: i don't think you're getting this. until the server is running it's your fault for any problems
20 15:02:00 tommost You should tell her that PayPal works.
20 15:02:00 Morasique if newegg burns to the ground before shipping our parts, i'm blaming you
20 15:02:00 Morasique the new server admin starts in the spring, right? just stall till then and i'll blame him
20 15:02:00 andy753421 perhaps we should have another officer position for the guy who goes around breaking knee caps?
20 15:02:00 tommost Awesome. I nominate kleinjt.
20 15:02:00 tommost He will break you kneecaps with his boots.
20 15:03:00 Morasique he's actually not in the cs lab for once. maybe he's out breaking kneecaps
20 15:08:00 kleinjt sorry I wasn't in the lab, I was in class. I back.
20 15:09:00 kleinjt also, the windows public access computer doesn't have a mouse, so I'm installing vimperator
20 15:11:00 Morasique nice
20 15:37:00 tommost Hmm... addiator's still pegged.
20 23:04:00 tommost So my laptop has kindly decided to stop working.
20 23:04:00 tommost It seems to be related to video somehow.
20 23:04:00 kleinjt have you wantered it recently?
20 23:04:00 tommost The primary symptom under Linux is that X can't start.
20 23:05:00 tommost I tried to boot to Windows, but it BSODs just seconds into the boot process—even when I select safe mode.
20 23:05:00 tommost Under Linux I can get to text mode.
20 23:05:00 Morasique tommost: X is overrated
20 23:06:00 jboticsource G is where it is at!
20 23:06:00 tommost Yeah, so I was looking for some debugging help...
20 23:08:00 kleinjt have you tried livecds?
20 23:09:00 kleinjt that'd isolate the hard drive anyways
20 23:09:00 Morasique i'd try another video card, but you probably don't have one
20 23:09:00 kleinjt yeah, replacing laptop video cards is a bit tricky
20 23:09:00 Morasique oh. i don't know anything about laptop hardware
20 23:10:00 tommost Yeah, I'll try a live CD. Although I'm not sure that my DVD drive works...
20 23:11:00 kleinjt mine doesn't. my last few linux installations have been via usb flash drives..
20 23:12:00 tommost Oh, yeah, I have a bootable flash drive sitting on my desk. I'll use that.
20 23:16:00 andy753421 tommost: post the output of `X :0' from tty0 and the output of `/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
20 23:18:00 tommost andy753421: Okay, sure. Once I finish backing up the machine.
20 23:19:00 andy753421 In other news, formatting a flash drive with three partitions is awesome. Partition 1: FAT32 for transferring files to windows. Partition 2: Ext3 with the bootable flag set for use as a live usb key. Partition 3: swap for when you have to compile webkit/openoffice/mozilla
20 23:19:00 Morasique andy753421: there's a windows program for reading from ext3 partitions, btw
20 23:20:00 tommost Well, sort of. It does ext2.
20 23:20:00 andy753421 yea, but since i don't own a computer with windows installed on it, it's unlikely that that program would be installed on it either
20 23:20:00 Morasique tommost: i think it does ext3 too. it works on my partition
20 23:20:00 andy753421 i.e. it's mostly for giving files to my friends and such
20 23:20:00 Morasique ah
20 23:20:00 Morasique get better friends
20 23:20:00 Morasique friends that use linux
20 23:21:00 andy753421 hehe
20 23:21:00 andy753421 yea.. it's also nice if you have to give a presentation on a windows computer and they don't have internet hooked up...
20 23:21:00 tommost I rate my friends by how much they use Linux. To break ties, I use text ediors.
20 23:21:00 tommost Also, why is quark zero-terminated?
20 23:22:00 andy753421 i assumed he was trying to break someone IRC client
20 23:22:00 tommost Wait... it's *actually* zero terminated? Not just the characters "\0"?
20 23:24:00 Morasique tommost: ...
20 23:24:00 tommost Morasique: Sarcasm.
20 23:25:00 andy753421 lame, pidgin doesn't let me type null characters into the prompt
21 00:00:00 tommost The backup of my VMs failed because the 500 GB drive I was rsyncing them to ran out of space...
21 00:01:00 tommost Damn, now I have to move stuff and restart the transfer.
21 00:02:00 andy753421 if you're using rsync you shouldn't have to restart it
21 00:02:00 tommost Oh, yeah... I forgot, that's why I set it up with rsync in the first place. :)
21 00:03:00 andy753421 if it's one big file (e.g. a VM), make sure you use --append
21 00:13:00 tommost I'm very glad that this transfer is happening over gigabit.
21 02:57:00 Blazeix so, the 'k' version of ubuntu will be 'Karmic Koala'
21 02:58:00 Blazeix and shuttleworth says "Brown has served us well but the Koala is considering other options."
21 02:58:00 tommost Well, better than J.
21 02:59:00 Morasique i look forward to calling it "the koala"
21 03:04:00 Blazeix I wonder if system76 will rename their "koala" system
21 10:27:00 quark___\0 tommost: i did it to troll some other people
21 10:27:00 quark___\0 tommost: plus it totally looks cool
21 12:31:00 jboticsource http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/
21 12:32:00 chtr i'm sure i've linked to ninetimes before.
21 12:32:00 chtr or at least cat-v.org
21 12:45:00 tommost Oh, cool. It's available for the 770.
21 12:49:00 chtr yeah, i meant to mention that the other day
21 12:49:00 chtr i doubt it's very usable. i really know far too little about inferno
21 16:58:00 tommost http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/02/adding-support-for-user-defined-classes.html
21 16:59:00 chtr i read a post there the other day about microsoft's ecommerce thing from the early-mid 90s
21 17:00:00 Morasique oh, i didn't notice that blog is called python-history, when i saw that go by on reddit i was wondering why somebody was talking about adding something to python it's always had
21 17:05:00 tommost I need to read all the previous posts yet. I didn't have time 9th and 10th week.
21 17:34:00 Morasique somebody should present on pulseaudio. assuming anyone has ever gotten it working
21 17:34:00 tommost I'm supposed to present on it after break.
21 17:35:00 Morasique oh. yay
21 17:35:00 Morasique did you actually install it from scratch? because "i installed hardy, and there it was!" won't help me much
21 17:35:00 tommost I did before the put it in by default.
21 17:35:00 tommost It worked better then.
21 17:36:00 tommost Aside from Flash audio...
21 17:36:00 tommost So I've experienced some of the issues.
21 17:41:00 chtr i'm planning on installing it over break on at least two machines, so i might be able to offer some experiences with it on gentoo
21 17:43:00 Morasique i suppose i'll try over break too. i tried a few weeks ago and destroyed audio on my laptop, but i'll have nothing better to do
21 17:43:00 chtr in other news, addiator's still being hammered by cadence
21 17:43:00 Morasique is it ever not?
21 17:43:00 tommost WTF are they doing?
21 17:43:00 tommost Someone should e-mail them and ask.
21 17:43:00 tommost I nominate chtr.
21 17:44:00 chtr eh, it doesn't bother me. matlab's working fine so i'm good.
21 17:44:00 andy753421 Would this considered a good use of `wall'?
21 17:44:00 chtr it's better than doing dmesg | wall...
21 17:44:00 andy753421 although, if their processes are hung, it's unlikely they'd actually see the message
21 17:45:00 tommost Are these new processes, or the same ones?
21 17:45:00 andy753421 well, there's one that's up to 1049 cpu hours
21 17:46:00 tommost I kinda wonder whether he just started it in the background and forgot about it.
21 17:50:00 Morasique couldn't you just do write if you want to send him a message?
21 17:50:00 Morasique he's not actually connected though
21 17:50:00 Morasique he hasn't been on in over a day. that's a good sign
21 17:58:00 tommost Has anyone set up ALSA for 5.1 before? I killed Pulse and am just trying to get speaker-test to work, but it's failing.
21 18:31:00 Morasique no, although i do enjoy those speaker test sound files
21 18:51:00 chtr gee, thanks gnu ls: `ls | grep pdf$` returns nothing when i run it.
21 18:51:00 chtr `9 ls | grep pdf$` to the rescue!
21 18:52:00 Morasique er. i think you're looking for ls -1
21 18:52:00 Morasique but criticizing a tool for doing what you tell it to works too
21 18:53:00 andy753421 ls | grep pdf$ works for me, yay checking terminals types!
21 18:53:00 chtr i told it to list files
21 18:53:00 chtr ls --color=no | grep pdf$ works, too.
21 18:53:00 chtr Morasique: yeah, ls -1 | grep pdf$ doesn't work.
21 18:54:00 Morasique ls | grep pdf$ works fine for me, i don't know what's wrong with your setup
21 18:54:00 Blazeix chtr: ls | grep pdf$ works fine
21 18:54:00 andy753421 chtr: ls --color=auto
21 18:54:00 chtr andy753421: yep, that works.
21 18:54:00 Morasique ah. that's what i have it aliased to
21 18:55:00 andy753421 oddly enough, `/bin/ls --color=always | grep pdf$' works for me as well
21 18:56:00 chtr that doesn't work for me
21 18:56:00 Morasique me neither
21 18:56:00 andy753421 maybe my grep is magic
21 18:57:00 andy753421 2.5.3?
21 18:57:00 chtr 2.5.1 for me.
21 18:57:00 Morasique yeah, i have .1
21 18:57:00 Morasique interesting
21 18:58:00 chtr hm, i didn't know coreutils was now licensed under gpl v3
21 18:59:00 chtr ... http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7z72e/9times_plan_9_inferno_unix_and_bell_labs/c07t7pi
21 19:00:00 chtr i'm hoping that's satire of some sort
21 19:00:00 andy753421 we need shirts that say `I <3 TWM'
21 19:01:00 chtr twm is brutal to use. rio is more usable, and that's saying a lot.
21 19:03:00 Morasique chtr: i doubt it
21 19:03:00 chtr Morasique: i knew you would
21 19:03:00 Morasique chtr: i knew you would know that
21 19:03:00 chtr Morasique: i knew your response would be a childish quip
21 19:04:00 Morasique i knew your response would be irrelevant because i'm focused on playing urban terror
21 19:04:00 andy753421 Morasique, chtr: It's aright, I know everything
21 19:04:00 Morasique andy753421: i knew that
21 19:04:00 chtr two wrongs make aright?
21 19:04:00 andy753421 Morasique: Good.
21 19:04:00 Morasique ...times infinity
21 19:04:00 Morasique /kick chtr. /kick chtr!!!
21 19:04:00 Morasique sigh
21 19:28:00 Blazeix tommost: I just switched over to pulseaudio, and my urban terror sound wasn't working either. I found this to fix it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=362231
21 19:54:00 tommost I'm in favor of adding "I <3 TWM" to the back of our shirts.
21 19:55:00 tommost It would make me feel warm and fuzzy.
21 21:17:00 Morasique i'm installing pulseaudio again. i don't know why
21 21:17:00 chtr because it's the weekend before finals, and the torture of getting that working still beats studying for finals?
21 21:21:00 Morasique yeah. i'm starting to feel guilty about playing any more urban terror, and i'm out of rss feeds, so my options are dwindling
21 22:07:00 Morasique pulseaudio seems to be working, except the init script won't start it for some reason
21 22:07:00 Morasique if i run the thing the init script is supposed to be running it works fine
21 22:07:00 Morasique i have no idea what the difference is
21 22:23:00 Morasique victory!
21 22:23:00 Morasique now i just need to make mpd work with it
21 22:24:00 chtr everybody loves mpd
21 22:38:00 Morasique i just realized i'll have to fix my audio scripts. that makes me sad
21 22:43:00 Morasique gah. i fixed mpd, now my music is playing at full volume and i can't figure out how to turn it down
21 22:44:00 Morasique pavucontrol ftw
21 22:44:00 Morasique i'm really hoping there's command-line ways to do all this
21 22:44:00 tommost Yeah, there is. Check the PA wiki.
21 22:44:00 Morasique mmk
21 22:45:00 Morasique HA! per-app audio control. awesome
21 22:45:00 Morasique that's really cool
21 22:59:00 tommost I've never found that very useful, actually. What do you use it for?
21 23:01:00 Morasique well, i haven't used it for anything yet since i've had it for about 15 minutes, but it's cool that it's possible
21 23:02:00 Morasique i would think things like automatically muting system sounds when mplayer is running would be useful, stuff like that
21 23:02:00 Morasique i still can't figure out how to control pulseaudio from the command-line
21 23:03:00 Morasique at least not to do anything useful
21 23:03:00 Morasique i thought it was pacmd, but that's just a repl apparently
21 23:03:00 tommost Oh, that's what I was talking about.
21 23:04:00 Morasique ah. i want something scripts can call, like amixer for alsa
21 23:06:00 Morasique the lead developer of pulseaudio desccribed it as "the software that currently breaks your audio"
21 23:06:00 tommost That sounds accurate.
21 23:07:00 tommost Like I said, Canonical was stupid to make it the default. I'm grateful for the issues they resolved, though.
21 23:08:00 Morasique i think i'm going to have to start running every binary on my system starting with pa until i find the one i want, i'm finding nothing online
21 23:09:00 tommost You mean padsp?
21 23:09:00 tommost Oh, I misread what you said.
21 23:09:00 Morasique i don't have that
21 23:10:00 tommost Oh, you should get that. It lets you run things that use /dev/dsp
21 23:10:00 tommost It does LD_PRELOAD magic.
21 23:11:00 Morasique i actually just discovered pacat, so now i can finally dump random data to my soundcard
21 23:11:00 Morasique cat /dev/urandom | pacat -p
21 23:12:00 tommost I'll be sure to include that in my presentation so auchter isn't disappointed.
21 23:17:00 Morasique it looks like pacmd is the only option. this is idiotic
21 23:18:00 Morasique does nobody script pulseaudio?
21 23:20:00 tommost I don't see what's so bad about pacmd.
21 23:22:00 Morasique it's interactive. how am i supposed to script that?
21 23:23:00 Morasique also, it doesn't work with the system-wide daemon, which is what i'm using
21 23:23:00 Morasique i want something where i can do "pawhatever mute" and it mutes
21 23:23:00 Morasique it has to exist
21 23:25:00 Blazeix can't you script interactive things by doing some sort of cmd << INPUT << EOF thing?
21 23:25:00 tommost Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
21 23:25:00 Blazeix I swear I've seen stuff like that before
21 23:26:00 tommost Of course, I would just do it in Python, but yeah.
21 23:26:00 Morasique maybe, but that's really dumb if that's how you have to do it
21 23:26:00 Morasique and pacmd still doesn't work either way because of the system-wide daemon
21 23:30:00 Morasique this is epic, it's like they just forgot it. i feel like i'm dealing with a windows program
21 23:31:00 Morasique "pacmd seems to only know about the per-user unix socket, and not about
21 23:31:00 Morasique the system-wide unix socket /var/run/pulse/native, nor about the tcp socket.
21 23:31:00 Morasique Since it also accepts no command-line options, there seems to be no easy way
21 23:31:00 Morasique to control a a running systemwide daemon :("
21 23:31:00 Morasique oops. i fail at newlines
21 23:35:00 Morasique well, screw it. i'll use pulseaudio when they decide to make it work like every other unix program in existence
21 23:41:00 Morasique yay. as an added bonus, X works again
21 23:45:00 Morasique somebody let me know if they stumble across pulseaudio's version of amixer, i refuse to believe it doesn't exist
21 23:49:00 tommost Morasique: pactl
21 23:50:00 tommost Or does that not do enough?
21 23:56:00 Morasique no, that does almost nothing
22 00:53:00 Morasique firefox should support automatically submitting the password forms it fills. now that i have angel autologin all other forms annoy me
22 01:32:00 Blazeix hmm. I think that kick must have killed him.
22 01:33:00 Blazeix ow
22 01:33:00 andy753421 just checking
22 01:35:00 Morasique er. ok then
22 01:35:00 Morasique that made sense
22 01:36:00 chtr wait, what?
22 01:36:00 Morasique andy753421 kicked me. apparently because he was bored
22 01:36:00 chtr andy753421 has apparently gone mad
22 01:37:00 Morasique or he wanted to test the access list change, and felt that was the logical way
22 01:37:00 Morasique now i think he's just lost it
22 01:37:00 andy753421 apparently chanserv doesn't like chtr
22 01:38:00 chtr chtr has some issues
22 01:38:00 Morasique i don't think he's identified
22 01:38:00 Morasique yeah, he's not
22 01:38:00 Morasique you need to be
22 01:38:00 chtr what now?
22 01:38:00 Morasique ...you identified
22 01:39:00 andy753421 chtr: you should really /msg nickserv group
22 01:39:00 chtr i ran into issues with that last time i tried
22 01:40:00 Morasique alternatively, you could start using vowels again
22 01:40:00 chtr well, mk > make, so chtr > auchter
22 01:40:00 chtr or so the reasoning goes
22 01:40:00 Blazeix Morasique: I managed to a little bit of scripting of pulseaudio. sort of.
22 01:40:00 Morasique Blazeix: with what?
22 01:40:00 chtr lua!
22 01:40:00 Blazeix I have it so I can run a command and turn off and on my external speaker
22 01:40:00 Morasique ...with what?
22 01:40:00 chtr lua!
22 01:41:00 Morasique chtr: there actually is a python binding
22 01:41:00 Morasique i refused to use it
22 01:41:00 andy753421 chtr: looks like crr
22 01:41:00 Blazeix i just do my basic alsactl scripting
22 01:41:00 chtr andy753421: you made a comment about the editing(?) distance of crr and chtr before
22 01:41:00 andy753421 i know
22 01:41:00 Blazeix since pulseaudio just rides on top of it, it works for applications that use pulseaudio
22 01:41:00 chtr i remember looking around the lab for crr before actually understanding what you said
22 01:41:00 Morasique oh, ok. i looked into that with amixer, but then i can't control individual apps, which was the whole point
22 01:42:00 Blazeix oh, yeah, I haven't looked at that yet.
22 01:42:00 Morasique i suspect pacmd + expect might be the easiest way, which is insane
22 11:26:00 chtr hm, i finally managed to get the fglrx driver working again.
22 11:27:00 chtr turns out setting the resolution in my xorg.conf didn't work, but going through amdccle does work...
22 15:06:00 tommost Awesome, Synergy even sends my multimedia key inputs to the other machine.
22 15:06:00 chtr i would expect that it would, they're just keypresses afterall
22 15:07:00 tommost I was worried that they'd be captured by something on my laptop before Synergy got them... as I understand it, Ubuntu does some sort of voodoo to make them work globally by default.
22 20:19:00 tommost They should really fix the bug where Pidin crashes when you run out of disk space.
23 01:02:00 Morasique how do i control the default umask with cifs?
23 01:03:00 Morasique i used to use umask with smbfs, but that doesn't appear to work anymore
23 01:55:00 andy753421 has anyone bothered to make a filesystem that supports insert and prepend?
23 15:24:00 Morasique what filesystems do getfacl/setfacl work on?
23 15:24:00 Morasique i didn't even know they existed
23 15:28:00 Morasique hmm. apparently they work on ext3 if you have it in the kernel, which i do. and yet it doesn't work
23 15:31:00 Morasique oh, you need acl in the mount options. cool
23 15:32:00 Morasique i can't believe i didn't know about these before. i blame you people for not telling me
23 15:34:00 Blazeix damn, I think he suspects something.
23 15:34:00 Blazeix everyone, play it cool.
23 15:38:00 Morasique Blazeix: the massive silence is apparently how they play it cool
23 15:38:00 Morasique rhlug--
23 15:45:00 Morasique Blazeix: so you no longer want people to contact you? http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/mw/index.php?title=User%3AWillFuqua&diff=3380&oldid=prev
23 15:45:00 Morasique where's the love?
23 15:45:00 Blazeix I've been receiving a ton of AIM spam the last few days
23 15:45:00 Blazeix I went and searched for all the places where I posted my screen name.
23 15:46:00 Morasique well, fortunately now it's gone forever
23 15:47:00 Blazeix yeah, I doubt the spam is coming from the lug wiki, but I removed it anyway.
23 15:47:00 Blazeix It's probably some online profile that adds the aim:// protocol prefix to the screen name.
23 17:02:00 octavious has anyone had luck with using opendns on campus?
23 17:07:00 Morasique i think i did at some point
23 17:07:00 Morasique maybe not, i think it was over the summer
23 17:19:00 andy753421 hey, bash now supports **, sweet
23 17:21:00 octavious hmm, apparently rose does some blocking of DNS traffic...maybe to force us to use their DNS servers?
23 17:23:00 Morasique that seems rather silly
23 17:23:00 Morasique why would they care what dns server we use?
23 17:24:00 octavious i have no idea. maybe so they can maintain records? maybe for bandwidth alotment?
23 17:25:00 Morasique dns should have nothing to do with bandwidth. if anything i imagine they're doing it accidentally
23 17:33:00 Morasique awesome. secure.rose-hulman.edu's security certificate expired a week ago
24 02:17:00 andy753421 does anyone know of a PDF viewer that does `fit to text'? I.e. it crops off the blank margins?
24 02:18:00 chtr this topic seems familiar. i thought evince did that...
24 02:18:00 andy753421 it has `fit page width' but not fit text width
24 02:19:00 andy753421 I know i've wanted that before, but i'm not sure if I said anything and/or got an answer
24 02:19:00 chtr maybe that's what i'm remembering
24 02:20:00 tommost It's come up before, but I think that acroread is the only one that does that.
24 02:20:00 Morasique oh, so it does
24 02:20:00 Morasique i didn't know that
24 02:21:00 tommost I think you're the only one here to uses it...
24 02:21:00 Morasique is victorious
24 02:22:00 tommost I like Evince, actually.
24 02:22:00 Morasique me too, but evince doesn't like a good number of the pdfs i get from professors
24 02:22:00 chtr i just use xpdf
24 02:22:00 chtr it's worked for everything i've needed it for
24 02:23:00 tommost Morasique: I've never had issues with anything aside from the crazy PDFs that PowerPoint 2007 produces.
24 02:23:00 andy753421 pdfs that powerpoint produces don't work with anything
24 02:23:00 andy753421 infact, powerpoint couldn't even print my senior project poster correctly
24 02:24:00 chtr don't use powerpoint?
24 02:24:00 tommost chtr: Gary takes powerpoint files.
24 02:24:00 andy753421 i think he'll also take pdf's
24 02:24:00 chtr i'm sure he takes postscript as well
24 02:24:00 andy753421 i haven't found any good unix software for making posters though
24 02:24:00 tommost What I do is produce a 300 DPI PNG from Inkscape and insert that into a PowerPoint of the appropriate size.
24 02:24:00 Morasique he takes anything that windows can open, the poster machine is just a standard printer
24 02:25:00 Morasique tommost: well, most of the pdfs i get from professors are from powerpoint
24 02:25:00 andy753421 why do I ask these questions? I should be studying..
24 02:26:00 Morasique nah
24 02:55:00 Blazeix Morasique: Do you have the Pause button bound to anything under awesome?
24 02:55:00 Blazeix I can't seem to get any keybindings to use it.
24 02:55:00 Morasique i do in xbindkeys, it opens a terminal
24 02:56:00 Morasique it's just "Pause" in there
24 02:56:00 Blazeix Yeah, I've tried Pause, and the keycode number in awesome. Nothing seems to work.
24 02:56:00 Blazeix Do you use xbindkeys for all of your bindings?
24 02:57:00 Morasique all the ones not related to awesome
24 02:58:00 Morasique if you get desperate you could put "echo 'foo()' | awesome-client" in xbindkeys and have foo() in your awesome conf do whatever you want
24 10:49:00 andy753421 chtr: you've got me using strace for everything now
24 10:51:00 chtr yeah, i love strace.
24 10:51:00 chtr using it to try to hunt down exactly what config file a program's using is one of my favorite uses for it
24 10:55:00 andy753421 yea, curt mentioned something about wanting to know what font a program was using, and my first thought was to use strace
24 11:35:00 Morasique octavious: "Off campus DNS servers are blocked. The reason for this is that earlier this year several computers on campus were infected with a virus that redirected all of their DNS traffic through malicious DNS servers in Russia, likely compromising user's private data."
24 11:35:00 Morasique i'm considering replying to let them know that just disabling the internet would be even safer, but they might do it
24 11:54:00 Zeta_Mobile Morasique: You seem to find something
24 11:54:00 Zeta_Mobile ...more annoying about iait nearly every day
24 11:54:00 Zeta_Mobile yay enter button
24 11:55:00 Zeta_Mobile enter_button--
24 11:58:00 Morasique well, octavious found it, i just asked them about it
24 12:32:00 octavious yay, thanks IAIT! you always know whats best for me!
24 13:18:00 tommost Well, that was fun. I merged my laptop and desktop .purple directories using meld so that I can take my laptop into IAIT.
24 13:29:00 kleinjt centerim + screen ftw
24 14:14:00 Blazeix kleinjt: I'm trying out centerim right now.
24 14:14:00 Blazeix IRC seems to be working fine, but can you connect with your AIM account?
24 14:16:00 Blazeix JOIN #centerim
24 14:18:00 Blazeix huh. That's not quite what I meant to do.
24 16:50:00 tommost Well, I got my laptop back from IAIT. They claim that the graphics hardware is fine, so I guess that both my Linux and Windows partitions got screwed up at the same time... somehow.
24 16:50:00 tommost The good news is that they replaced the DVD drive, so now I can try a live CD.
24 17:14:00 tommost Hmm... so the LiveCD boots just fine.
24 19:33:00 chtr andy753421: so, how's the server coming along?
24 20:02:00 tommost andy753421: Can it host Urban Terror yet?
24 20:02:00 Morasique indeed
24 20:02:00 Morasique i'm going to try running a server on my desktop to see if it works better
24 20:38:00 andy753421 chtr: good, i got the cable for the MB in today
24 20:38:00 andy753421 so I was installing gentoo on it, but realized I needed a amd64 cd
24 20:39:00 andy753421 so I downloaded the image, and i'm going to convert it to a usb image so I can boot it without a cd drive
24 20:41:00 andy753421 also, this is awesome, `sudo tee /img/gentoo.iso < /mnt/s/gentoo.iso >/devnull'
24 20:51:00 andy753421 whoo, now my usb key has gentoo, gentoo-64, fat, and swap on it :)
24 20:54:00 chtr my brain's probably dead by now, but why couldn't you have just used a 32-bit installer?
24 20:56:00 andy753421 didn't seem to work
24 20:56:00 andy753421 do you need kernel support for 64 bit executables?
24 20:57:00 chtr yeah, that would be what i missed.
24 20:57:00 chtr kexec!
24 20:57:00 andy753421 yea, i'd rather not
24 20:57:00 andy753421 i wonder if they compile their livecd kernels with kexec support
24 22:11:00 tommost http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=283
24 22:16:00 chtr wow. i'm envious.
24 22:16:00 chtr and in the US i go to a radioshack and am lucky to find double-sided perfboard
24 22:16:00 chtr god forbid i want something as trivial as an lm117
24 23:45:00 andy753421 server's up and running
24 23:46:00 andy753421 still needs to be configured though
24 23:46:00 chtr great news
24 23:57:00 tommost andy753421++
25 02:20:00 jboticsource http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html
25 02:21:00 chtr mmm, reddit 12 hours ago
25 04:17:00 andy753421 http://137.112.104.113/wiki/Main_Page
25 18:52:00 Blazeix povilusr_desktop: You installed linux on an sdcard so you could boot your eee with it, right?
25 18:52:00 Blazeix Did you have to anything special, or was it just like making a bootable usb stick?
25 20:15:00 Morasique if a program is waiting for input on stdin, is there a way for another program to give it the input?
25 20:15:00 Morasique i tried messing with /proc/#/fd, but that doesn't seem to work
25 20:25:00 Morasique oh cool, i figured out a way
25 20:26:00 Morasique you can do tail -f /tmp/whatever | prog and just write to /tmp/whatever as needed
25 20:37:00 Morasique shit, urban terror detects it. i can't believe it. "stdin is not a tty, tty console mode disabled"
25 20:45:00 Morasique i'm considering rebuilding urban terror without the check
25 21:28:00 tommost Morasique: What about expect?
25 21:28:00 tommost Or pexpect?
25 21:28:00 tommost (Which would mesh better with your bot, I imagine.)
25 21:32:00 Morasique tommost: i'm not going to know the input beforehand though, or i'd just use <
25 21:33:00 Morasique the goal is to add a thing to #rhurt so when people talk in there it relays the message inside urban terror
25 21:33:00 Morasique so i need the bot to be able to write to the stdin of the server console
25 21:33:00 tommost Yes, use pexpect.
25 21:33:00 tommost It's a Python version of expect.
25 21:34:00 Morasique oh, interesting
25 21:34:00 Morasique does it suck less than expect? i had tons of problems with expect
25 21:34:00 tommost I haven't used it myself.
25 21:35:00 Morasique says a silent prayer that his desktop doesn't freeze on emerge like it so often likes to do
25 21:38:00 Morasique sighs
25 21:39:00 Morasique does anybody else have problems with emerge over ssh?
25 21:39:00 Morasique i'm not sure if it's that or just my desktop
25 21:40:00 chtr Morasique: uh, no difference
25 21:40:00 Morasique my desktop just hates me then
25 21:41:00 Morasique i've never had it happen when i use my desktop locally, although i don't do that very often
25 22:11:00 Morasique i had seven instances of urban terror running on my desktop before it started lagging. that's a good sign i suppose
25 22:39:00 Morasique there's no way to stop python threads. this language pisses me off sometimes
25 22:42:00 tommost Yeah, Python's threads are probably the thing I dislike most about the language. By a wide margin.
25 22:42:00 crr that surprised me when I ran into it as well; I wanted that feature in our Hex AI
25 22:43:00 chtr aren't we using a ton of python's threads in the robotics code?
25 22:43:00 Morasique chtr: possibly, but apparently you're not killing them
25 22:43:00 Morasique because you can't
25 22:43:00 tommost Yeah.
25 22:43:00 Morasique because that's how guido wants it i guess
25 22:44:00 tommost No, I think that it's because it can't be done cross-platform.
25 22:44:00 Morasique java manages it
25 22:44:00 tommost Apparently Python supports some pretty crappy platforms.
25 22:44:00 tommost Perhaps Java cheats.
25 22:44:00 Morasique well, python should cheat in the same way
25 22:44:00 tommost Agreed.
25 22:44:00 crr I ran across some code online to make a KillableThread class, but it uses the trace capabilities to make it happen, so I can't see it running quickly
25 22:44:00 Morasique or have it fail on unsupported platforms, i don't care
25 22:44:00 Morasique i happen to be using a platform that does support it
25 22:45:00 tommost What we do is, since all of our threads are processing loops, loop on a "running" variable. Then we set all blocking operations to have a timeout.
25 22:45:00 crr what context are you killing threads in?
25 22:45:00 Morasique ?
25 22:46:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, i have a block in the middle of my thread, so i'm trying to fix that
25 22:46:00 Morasique since apparently i do need to poll a variable periodically now
25 22:47:00 crr I'm guessing that's what Java does behind the scenes; I can't see another way to do it portably
26 00:18:00 chtr so Morasique just linked to old logs which discussed pb
26 00:18:00 chtr s/pb/pv/
26 00:18:00 chtr tommost had complained that it wouldn't work with cp -r
26 00:18:00 Morasique i did?
26 00:18:00 Morasique oh, the wikipedia thing
26 00:18:00 Morasique got it
26 00:18:00 chtr Morasique: in #rhnoise
26 00:18:00 chtr yeah.
26 00:19:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/UZRStt19.html if anyone's interested
26 00:19:00 tommost I am terrified.
26 00:20:00 chtr slightly modified version of plan9's dircp
26 00:21:00 chtr super complicated changes: http://rafb.net/p/sfVKkS18.html
26 12:59:00 Morasique it's like hearing that a virus has mutated and is now airborne: http://www.roadsend.com/home/index.php
26 13:00:00 Morasique and the other way around: http://devthought.com/wp-content/projects/mootools/BSOD/
26 17:46:00 andy753421 Does anyone know how to get an IPv4 address from a MAC address?
26 17:47:00 andy753421 I think you'd usually use RARP, but I'm not sure if there's any utilities for that.
26 17:47:00 andy753421 Wikipedia seems to say that dhcpcd handles that these days, but I don't know how that works either..
26 19:23:00 Morasique kleinjt: freebsd configs on the lug wiki? how dare you
26 19:24:00 kleinjt I plan on expanding that over the next week or so
26 19:26:00 kleinjt the next step is getting maple to work..
26 19:40:00 chtr it's steps like that i don't ever want to take.
26 19:42:00 Morasique i still don't have maple looking normal on linux
26 19:43:00 chtr looks fine to me, here's a screenshot: http://rafb.net/p/Yfu4bZ76.html
26 19:44:00 Morasique i think i actually prefer that to the horror that is the X color scheme
26 19:44:00 chtr oh, i like that color scheem
26 19:45:00 Morasique we're referring to the yellow buttons and blue titlebar, right?
26 19:45:00 chtr yep, looks fine to me
26 19:45:00 Morasique you're broken
26 19:45:00 chtr what i do wish though is that the sub-windows of the main maple window were their own windows (i.e. managed by my wm)
26 19:47:00 Morasique yeah, MDI was invented by satan. a lot of people bitch about the alternative though, people whine about that with gimp all the time
27 15:56:00 Morasique i'm a fan of this tux: http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-02-27.png
27 16:01:00 tommost Heh, yeah, that's cute.
27 16:01:00 Morasique he's also suspicious, which i encourage
27 16:02:00 tommost The rest of this comic is disappointing me. It's about video games.
27 16:05:00 Morasique you should write your own webcomic
27 16:05:00 Morasique i would read it
27 16:06:00 tommost Huh? You seem like a better candidate for that. You're better at ranting.
27 16:06:00 chtr indeed, i should write my own webcomic
27 16:06:00 tommost Webcomics for all!
27 16:06:00 Morasique tommost: i'm going to take that as a complement
27 16:06:00 tommost Morasique: You should.
27 16:16:00 Morasique pywiimote is a bundle of fail
27 16:16:00 Morasique the code doesn't run, and it purports to run on windows, mac, and linux, but imports from windll
27 16:17:00 Morasique from an ME trying to write something in python: "I'm beginning to understand why you guys are always so pissy"
27 16:17:00 tommost Uh, yeah, use cwiid.
27 16:17:00 tommost Linux-only, but it works.
27 16:19:00 Morasique well, i'm trying to help the aforementioned ME, who's on windows
27 16:19:00 Morasique it seems like this would be a problem: http://code.google.com/p/pywiimote/source/browse/PyWiimote/trunk/wiimote.py#174
27 16:20:00 Morasique that maybe somebody should fix
27 16:21:00 chtr wiiusej worked alright for me (the 'j' should be an obvious problem)
27 16:22:00 chtr the package included both a .so and a .dll, so i assume it works under windows
27 16:26:00 tommost That does look full of fail.
27 16:57:00 tommost So I'm currently preparing to redo my laptop.
27 16:57:00 tommost And I've gone through the list of installed packages.
27 16:57:00 tommost And selected those that I will want to install on the fresh system.
27 16:58:00 tommost There are 248.
27 16:58:00 Morasique out of?
27 16:58:00 tommost 2740, including dependencies.
27 17:00:00 tommost I think that it's about time that I copy my home directory to my server and do the actual wipe.
27 17:00:00 Morasique impressive
27 17:42:00 tommost http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/ArticleHereComesTheSun
27 20:13:00 Morasique i'm on povilusr_desktop's eeepc
27 20:13:00 Morasique this keyboard is satan
27 22:17:00 chtr Morasique: so it's not entirely his fault?
27 23:38:00 Morasique chtr: no, apparently not
28 00:18:00 Blazeix Morasique: I was just working with my mom's eeepc. I was reduced to hunting & pecking for keys.
28 00:18:00 Blazeix At approximately 10 wpm
28 00:19:00 kleinjt the keyboard on the 10 inch model is fine to type on in my opinion
28 00:20:00 Blazeix I was working with a 901. I think its the lowest end eeepc that still has the atom processor
28 00:22:00 Morasique povilusr_desktop's is the 901 too
28 00:22:00 Morasique i did ok for some of it, but towards the right side of the keyboard everything went to hell
28 00:31:00 Blazeix The default OS on the 901 was horrible.
28 00:31:00 Blazeix It had my mom complaining about the lack of configurability, and she's barely computer literate.
28 00:32:00 Blazeix I installed eeebuntu on it, and that has her happy.
28 00:32:00 Blazeix it's a pretty neat respin.
28 00:33:00 Morasique how is that different from normal ubuntu?
28 00:36:00 Blazeix I think its based on xubuntu, but it has its own custom interface
28 00:36:00 Blazeix http://www.infosertec.com.ar/blog/wp-content/uploads/eeebuntu-desktop.jpg
28 00:36:00 Blazeix it looks slightly better than that now; the screenshot must be of an older version
28 00:37:00 Morasique ooo. that looks nothing like what povilusr_desktop has running
28 00:42:00 Blazeix oh, eeebuntu also ships with its own custom kernel, it gets all of the hardware (webcam, wireless, etc) working perfectly out of the box.
28 00:46:00 Blazeix though I suppose that's not hard when you have such restricted target hardware
28 01:08:00 Morasique Blazeix: yes, just ask apple
28 01:08:00 Morasique urban terror actually uses a decent amount of bandwidth, i'm at 41% of my 1 day upload
28 01:13:00 Morasique oh, wait. that was download. i'm at 15% of my upload
28 01:13:00 Morasique good, that's somewhat less bad
28 18:51:00 Morasique "Chakra is a free, user-friendly and extremely powerful liveCD and/or operating system based on the award winning K Desktop Environment and on the GNU/Linux distribution for connoisseurs: Arch Linux"
28 18:51:00 Morasique what nonsense
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