31 20:38:00 tommost pino?
31 21:25:00 Morasique tommost: excellent way to start the logs for the new year
31 21:25:00 tommost celebrates
31 22:00:00 chtr Morasique: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/zune-news/38143-cause-zune-30-leapyear-problem-isolated.html
01 00:00:00 tommost Happy New Year
01 00:46:00 Morasique it's depressing that they didn't test that
01 00:52:00 Morasique my brother has that model, i'm trying to convince him to turn it on, he's afraid it'll explode or something
01 02:59:00 tommost Apparently my brother was using my computer, because I definitely wasn't here to write "Happy New Year".
01 03:00:00 tommost Or it's something a Pidgin plugin I have installed did, since it seems to have happened in every chat I participate in simultaneously. :-/
01 03:01:00 kleinjt you even said it in #rhquasar :/
01 03:02:00 tommost Yeah, and it happened on Eastern time, too... I'm in Central right now.
01 03:02:00 tommost My laptop's set to Eastern.
01 04:40:00 Blazeix Ha. Now I'm in the logs for 2009-01.
01 04:40:00 Blazeix mission complete
01 04:41:00 tommost Well... congratulations on that.
01 06:01:00 Zeta_Mobile .
01 07:40:00 Morasique (hug)
01 07:40:00 Morasique oh. that was supposed to be in #rhnoise. you guys can have one too though
01 09:30:00 Morasique http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njk2Mg
01 11:43:00 Zeta_Mobile so, I'm looking for a full drive/computer backup
01 11:43:00 Zeta_Mobile what's the best software to use?
01 11:43:00 Zeta_Mobile this unfortuntately has to be windows based :/
01 11:44:00 Zeta_Mobile trying to figure out something for a non tech-savvy user
01 11:47:00 Morasique Zeta_Mobile: try #rhwindows
01 11:47:00 Zeta_Mobile yeah, I know
01 11:48:00 Zeta_Mobile Figured the smart peooke who've done things like that before would be in here though
01 11:48:00 Zeta_Mobile *people
01 11:49:00 chtr Zeta_Mobile: linux livecd + dd
01 11:50:00 Zeta_Mobile yeah, my dad's not that technically inclined
01 11:51:00 Morasique best windows solution for any problem: linux livecd + linux solution
01 11:51:00 Zeta_Mobile yeah, I know
01 11:51:00 Zeta_Mobile chtr: That's what I thought of first
01 11:52:00 Morasique is this a one-time thing?
01 11:52:00 Zeta_Mobile no, it'll be weekly
01 11:52:00 Zeta_Mobile else I'd have just done it
01 11:52:00 chtr rsync?
01 11:52:00 Zeta_Mobile The software he's using doesn't have a built in backup and seems to throw files all over, so I basically need to dd his harddrive to an external
01 11:56:00 Zeta_Mobile nm, sorted
01 11:56:00 Zeta_Mobile thanks though
01 12:15:00 Morasique i'm going to stab angel's auto-clicking links in the face
01 12:35:00 Morasique the new portage update changes how "emerge world" works, now by default it'll reinstall everything instead of updating unless you specify --update. people with automatic updating that don't notice are going to be very sad
01 14:55:00 Zeta_Mobile ugh
01 15:13:00 Morasique ugh?
01 15:27:00 Zeta_Mobile ugh, as in "ugh, that's ugly"
01 15:27:00 Zeta_Mobile seeing as how that's a change that will cause significant pain for a decent portion of the userbase
01 15:30:00 Morasique ah. well, i suspect most people already use --update, i always have
01 15:33:00 Zeta_Mobile ah, rgr
01 18:13:00 chtr gah, my /home partition somehow got borked
01 18:13:00 chtr nervously runs reiserfsck --rebuild-tree
01 18:14:00 chtr well, i know that i'm at least migrating / to ext3, mainly so i can use vbackup for snapshots... i've been torn about doing the same for /home, though
01 18:15:00 chtr mainly due to the transitive nature of many of the things stored there (think browser cache and such... that would fill up venti rather quickly)
01 18:16:00 chtr also, i likely won't be able to present this thursday, so does anyone else want to volunteer?
01 18:38:00 tommost Morasique wants to teach us all about math stuff.
01 18:45:00 Morasique tommost: sadly, that assignment is due before thursday
01 19:19:00 chtr fantastic. /home now contains one lost+found directory with a bunch of files and folders named with numbers
01 19:34:00 chtr luckily it seems that it only really lost the names for the top level directories and files, so i was able to recover most of the stuff
01 23:17:00 tommost What's a simple way to get the current CPU usage, percentagewise, for each CPU?
01 23:34:00 chtr tommost: /proc/stat?
01 23:35:00 tommost I meant easier than that...
01 23:35:00 tommost "181567335" is not a percentage.
02 01:17:00 tommost Morasique: Did you ever use graph widgets in awesome 2?
02 08:10:00 Morasique tommost: i don't remember if i used them in 2, i use them now in 3 though
02 09:03:00 Morasique i can't believe how often a new facebook group starts with the name "i broke my phone and lost all your phone numbers". am i the only person that would be completely unaffected if my cell phone broke?
02 10:00:00 Morasique from proggit: "I was convinced that there was no -> operator in c"
02 10:21:00 Morasique i switched my gtk font from sans to terminus, i think i rather like it. do you all use any particularly interesting fonts besides the default ones?
02 10:33:00 Morasique this makes me so happy: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7mq6k/the_cause_of_the_zune_leap_year_bug_has_been/7y0r
02 10:39:00 Zeta_Mobile that's hilarious
02 10:40:00 Zeta_Mobile And that's why you don't trust chip vendor code
02 14:16:00 tommost Inconsolas is a good font.
02 15:11:00 chtr tommost: out of curiousity, you DO use a monospaced font for your terminals and for programming, right?
02 15:12:00 tommost Yeah, of course. I even use one for window titlebars, since you can make it very, very small vertically while still being legible.
02 15:15:00 chtr haha, ok... some of your rants had me scared
02 15:16:00 tommost I like proportional fonts for things that I stick in tiny columns, or where I'm reading a lot of text at once. So, Pidgin and Firefox.
02 15:18:00 chtr typeface design is kinda interesting. i wonder what kind of degree most typeface designers hold...
02 15:19:00 tommost Most of the people who are really interested in it seem to be graphical designers.
02 15:47:00 Morasique i used inconsolas on my work machine over the summer i think
02 15:53:00 chtr i just use 6x13
02 16:24:00 Morasique "Warning (php-indent): Indentation fails badly with mixed HTML and PHP."
02 16:25:00 Morasique whatever_emacs_module_i'm_using--
02 16:27:00 tommost You're using PHP. It's just punishing you. I don't see how you can complain.
02 16:29:00 Morasique true
02 16:37:00 Morasique sam_?
02 16:39:00 sam_ yo
02 16:39:00 sam_ this is Eric Stokes, also known as Fernferret
02 16:39:00 sam_ on my father's server
02 16:40:00 sam_ I'm haveing some trouble configureing my MCE keyboard, has anyone in here had expierence with that?
02 16:40:00 sam_ I'm just getting some weird error messages when compiling the module
02 16:41:00 chtr i haven't used it (or indeed heard of that keyboard before)
02 16:41:00 chtr what kind of error messages?
02 16:42:00 chtr and i take it you're using http://mod-mce.sourceforge.net/ ?
02 16:42:00 sam_ yes
02 16:42:00 sam_ one sec, reproducing error now
02 16:42:00 sam_ WARNING: "lirc_register_plugin" [/home/sam/Desktop/lirc_mod_mce/lirc_mod_mce.ko] undefined!
02 16:42:00 sam_ there are 2 others very similar to that
02 16:43:00 sam_ but with lirc_unregister_plugin, and lirc_get_pdata
02 16:45:00 sam_ any ideas?
02 16:46:00 tommost Could you pastebin the entire relevant snippet?
02 16:46:00 sam_ sure
02 16:47:00 Morasique or dpaste. if only somebody had made a sweet dpaste-posting script
02 16:47:00 Morasique shaZAM!
02 16:47:00 chtr or rafb.net/paste, since fgb's script is about 10% as long as that python abomination
02 16:48:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/104680/
02 16:48:00 tommost Mwahahah!
02 16:48:00 Morasique actually, why did you make it for dpaste? don't you usually use pastebin?
02 16:49:00 tommost No, I always use dpaste.
02 16:49:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/1VIxWd64.html
02 16:49:00 tommost I can remember the URL.
02 16:49:00 tommost rafb is just ugly.
02 16:49:00 tommost Seriously, <hr>?
02 16:49:00 Morasique and it only pastes plain text
02 16:50:00 chtr worse is better
02 16:50:00 Morasique the plan 9 motto
02 16:50:00 tommost Yeah. dpaste is kinda short on supported languages, though. It uses Pygments for highlighting, which supports lots more that he actually makes available.
02 16:51:00 sam_ sorry for the wait
02 16:51:00 sam_ http://dpaste.com/hold/104682/
02 16:52:00 chtr hm, out of curiousity, do you have lirc installed?
02 16:52:00 tommost Have you actually tested to see whether it doesn't work?
02 16:52:00 sam_ yes
02 16:52:00 sam_ yes
02 16:52:00 sam_ the remote works
02 16:52:00 sam_ the keyboard does not
02 16:52:00 sam_ i was following a tutorial here:
02 16:53:00 sam_ http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3683998&postcount=2
02 16:54:00 Morasique recoils from ubuntuforums.org
02 16:59:00 sam_ i've seen those warnings elsewhere when looking around online, but I had not found any intelligent solutions
02 17:06:00 Morasique another winner from treager huber
02 17:06:00 tommost ?
02 17:06:00 Morasique all-campus e-mail
02 17:06:00 chtr hm, out of curiosity, what does this show: grep -r lirc_register_plugin /lib/modules/2.6.24-22-generic
02 17:07:00 Morasique not everyone could use 13 images to make an almost all-text e-mail
02 17:07:00 chtr hold on, i'll be back in a few minuets
02 17:08:00 sam_ wow lots of stuff
02 17:10:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/104696/
02 17:11:00 tommost Now it can automatically xclip the URL for you.
02 17:12:00 sam_ chtr: here are the results http://dpaste.com/104697/
02 17:16:00 chtr hm, i'm not really sure
02 17:21:00 sam_ alright well, thanks for looking at it for me
02 17:40:00 Morasique chtr: way to fail. again
02 17:41:00 chtr Morasique: all you did was ``recoil'' ;)
02 18:02:00 Morasique chtr: well, i didn't raise hopes with possible solutions
02 21:59:00 Morasique http://www.brendangregg.com/Specials/pam_happy_hour.c
02 22:01:00 chtr i like it.
02 22:01:00 Morasique there's another module that adds /dev/norandom, which produces the number 7 over and over
02 22:02:00 Morasique :D there's a companion to /bin/{true,false} called maybe
02 22:02:00 chtr yeah, i was just reading that one, haha
02 22:02:00 chtr block null instead of char null, too, haha
02 22:03:00 Morasique :D this one "rewinds" your cds before ejecting by seeking to track 0
02 22:03:00 Morasique this is a wonderful site
02 22:03:00 chtr oh dear god: ged
02 22:03:00 chtr ``A Java/Swing GUI front-end for the "ed" line editor. This enhances the classic "ed" tool by wrapping it in an easy to use GUI. The GUI provides tunable options such as sound effects and themes. ''
02 22:04:00 Morasique *awesome*
02 22:04:00 chtr i'm glad i know this guy isn't serious, because it actually makes it funny
02 22:05:00 chtr this is the most amazing site ever
02 22:05:00 Morasique "allslow - This program prevents greedy CPU-bound processes consuming so much CPU, by creating a DTrace program that is even greedier. It slows down every process on the system to about a tenth of their usual speed."
02 22:06:00 chtr http://www.brendangregg.com/Specials/rshutdown
02 23:18:00 chtr heh, cool, this TV runs linux
02 23:18:00 tommost The one your father bought?
02 23:19:00 chtr yeah. i was browsing through the menus, and i got to read the GPL and LGPL
02 23:19:00 tommost Cool.
02 23:19:00 chtr then it referenced a website to download the source which seems to no longer exist...
02 23:19:00 tommost Not so cool.
02 23:22:00 chtr i'm mostly curious what it actually uses linux for
03 00:42:00 chtr really, how is it that there's yet another ``What C book should I get?'' question on proggit?
03 00:42:00 crr K&R; that's an easy one
03 00:43:00 chtr yes, i thought that would be blatantly obvious by now
03 00:43:00 chtr not to mention the probably >50 threads with that same answer
03 07:45:00 Morasique chtr: yeah, i grow tired of the "i want to start programming!" threads, i don't know why they're so prevalent
03 08:51:00 Morasique tommost++ for having basic instructions open in this screenshot: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/mw/images/c/cb/Tomwm-awesome.png
03 17:08:00 Morasique since i switched to terminus i have no bold text anymore. that makes me sad
04 00:17:00 chtr brought to my attention by #plan9: ls --dereference-command-line-symlink-to-dir
04 02:08:00 ferrelaj anyone know how I can register a wireless mac address (or a mac of a machine that doesn't have a web browser) when dna.rose-hulman.edu is "Forbidden"
04 02:10:00 tommost E-mailing IAIT is the normal solution, I believe, but that won't help you much in this moment.
04 02:11:00 ferrelaj correct
04 02:11:00 ferrelaj Is that their new solution?
04 02:11:00 ferrelaj "e-mail us"
04 02:12:00 tommost I'd spoof the MAC address with another machine.
04 02:12:00 tommost But then, registration always works for me.
04 02:12:00 ferrelaj or, another option, does someone have the key?
04 02:12:00 ferrelaj Well, I don't havce the wireless key handy, and apparently 1X requires prior registration of the wireless
04 02:12:00 ferrelaj lol
04 02:14:00 tommost I powerfully hate Windows's auto-update function. It restarts my VM when I restore the state of the thing, resulting in the loss of the state that I saved by suspending the thing in the first place.
04 02:15:00 tommost And now it's bugging me to change my password. IT'S A VM IT DOESN'T MATTER.
04 02:18:00 tommost The old password was "This operating system is silly." The new one is less kind.
04 02:18:00 chtr i've never been fond of the word ``silly''
04 02:57:00 tommost titan.cs.rose-hulman.edu isn't accessible from off campus. Boo. Now I need to set up the VPN.
04 03:21:00 tommost Wow, that was shockingly non-painful.
04 03:22:00 tommost The instructions on the wiki are out of date, though.
04 03:22:00 tommost Someone should remind me to update them tomorrow.
04 03:48:00 tommost_addiator Okay, I've been disconnected about five times now. I'm pissed. And I need to get this databases lab done.
04 03:58:00 tommost And, as usual, ssh is the solution to my problem.
04 15:43:00 Morasique i had to call IAIT once to register an xbox under my roommate's name, they did it without question. so if you ever want to download a lot of stuff, pick somebody you don't like, spoof an unused mac and register it under their name
04 15:44:00 Morasique bonus: download illegal things from known mediadefender addresses
04 15:45:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
04 17:49:00 chtr ``Sorry for the late notice, but the end of Christmas Break kind of snuck up on me. We will be reviewing your funding request on Tuesday (Jan 6) at 5:00 in the Kahn room. Please have a representative there. Thanks.''
04 17:50:00 chtr do they *really* need to review it again? it's the same as last time.
04 17:56:00 kleinjt khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
04 17:57:00 shatly hahahah
04 17:57:00 shatly hah
04 17:57:00 shatly ha
04 17:57:00 shatly h
04 18:00:00 chtr i think i missed something
04 18:00:00 chtr oh.
04 18:11:00 andy753421 is tibia broken?
04 18:16:00 chtr hm, i can't seem to mount it.
04 18:16:00 chtr isn't everything on tibia available through webdav now?
04 18:16:00 andy753421 no idea, my roommate was trying to access it and couldn't and I was having problems as well
04 18:16:00 andy753421 what's the webdav address?
04 18:17:00 chtr https://webdav.rose-hulman.edu
04 18:37:00 Morasique chtr: is this sga for lug?
04 18:44:00 chtr Morasique: yes
04 19:47:00 andy753421 how do you do this in C++? http://rafb.net/p/Af83wJ45.html
04 19:48:00 andy753421 i.e. put a value in a header file
04 19:57:00 Morasique that works in C?
04 19:57:00 andy753421 yea
04 19:57:00 andy753421 isn't that how you're supposed to do it in C?
04 19:59:00 Morasique oh, i guess that's not as odd as it first looked, that does make sense
04 20:04:00 Morasique in o?.c instead of including main.h include something that defines val as an extern int
04 20:05:00 Morasique or just delcare it there if you want
04 20:06:00 Morasique s/lc/cl/
04 20:08:00 crr main.h should declare it as extern int
04 20:08:00 crr then in some ".c" file, you define val as an ordinary int
04 20:09:00 crr "extern int" declares it, which can be done multiples times (and must be done prior to use), whereas "int" (without extern) defines it, which must be done exactly once
04 20:12:00 andy753421 :q
04 20:17:00 andy753421 argh, alright
04 20:51:00 Morasique i just tried to delete a word in emacs with dw. i'm not quite sure why
04 20:59:00 chtr it worries me that i just needed to install csh to run cadence's simvision...
04 21:06:00 Morasique i just found angel open on a random tag. i don't remember opening it. hopefully whatever i needed to do on there wasn't important
05 09:40:00 chtr kleinjt++
05 11:57:00 Morasique does anybody know how to set it up so an incoming message in irssi triggers the needs_attention flag on the terminal window? i've tried before but never gotten it working
05 13:07:00 Morasique apparently id3ed doesn't support id3v2. because id3v2's only been out for a decade
05 13:07:00 Morasique i was blaming mpd for not reading any of my tags
05 13:07:00 chtr i've never had an issue with mpd not reading tags. a fair amount are id3v2
05 13:08:00 Morasique they need to be, that's my point. mpd only reads v2, not v1, and id3ed only writes v1
05 13:08:00 Morasique so all the files i tagged myself with id3ed don't work with mpd
05 13:08:00 chtr oh, i see.
05 13:08:00 Morasique i never noticed the correlation, half my playlist works and half doesn't, it's the half i tagged myself that doesn't work
05 13:08:00 chtr i'm sure there's a script to convert them
05 13:10:00 chtr There is just a little bit of Star Trek in all of the love you feel for another human being. -Mark V. Shaney
05 13:10:00 chtr i thought this was #rhnoise, heh.
05 13:26:00 chtr grr, why does verilog not have rotate operators?
05 13:30:00 andy753421 you mean << and >>?
05 13:33:00 chtr no, that's bit shift
05 13:33:00 andy753421 then what's a rotation operator?
05 13:33:00 chtr 1101 >>> 1 == 1110
05 13:34:00 chtr for example, it shifts in the direction and then moves the shifted out bit around
05 13:34:00 andy753421 ah, ok
05 13:34:00 Morasique chtr: couldn't you just simulate it with bitshifts?
05 13:35:00 Morasique (n << 3) | (n >> 1)?
05 13:35:00 chtr yeah, you definitely can, but then it depends on the width of value, etc.
05 13:35:00 Morasique ah
05 13:35:00 chtr it annoys me that C doesn't have a rotate operator, too...
05 13:36:00 andy753421 hehe, with my knowledge of verilog it would be `new[1:15] = old[0:14]; new[0] = old[15]'
05 13:36:00 Morasique i can't think of a time i'd ever use it, what's it for?
05 13:36:00 chtr doing it with ors and bit shifts gets old...
05 13:36:00 chtr Morasique: it's used heavily in cryptography
05 13:36:00 Morasique ah, ok
05 13:37:00 chtr andy753421: essentially. there should still be an operator
05 13:37:00 Morasique i'm looking forward to that class
05 13:37:00 andy753421 i think n<<3 | n>>1 might have problems with signness
05 13:37:00 chtr hence why verilog has << and >> for bitwise shifts, and <<< and >>> for arithmetic
05 13:37:00 andy753421 i remember there being a sweet trick to do a loop from 0 to 31 :)
05 13:39:00 Morasique i have a book of stuff like that on my list of books to read someday: http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Delight-Henry-S-Warren/dp/0201914654/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3VZV32K6DY0ZC&colid=3A9V31N1WFV4O
05 13:41:00 chtr someone should tell IAIT it's not a good idea to have two ssh servers with two different host keys assigned to one domain name.
05 13:41:00 andy753421 Morasique: my favorite: http://freeworld.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
05 13:42:00 andy753421 chtr: s/domain/host/?
05 13:42:00 kleinjt andy753421: that site is a great resource that has influenced my coding style
05 13:42:00 Morasique i love that site
05 13:42:00 chtr sure
05 13:43:00 andy753421 i wish it wasn't so focused on java.. but i suppose that made it easier to write
05 13:43:00 Morasique ouch
05 15:38:00 tommost Why is the group of all my files on addiator "games"?
05 15:40:00 Morasique it's always been that way, i don't know why
05 16:19:00 chtr hm, i don't suppose anyone would have a (parallel|USB)->JTAG cable lying around?
05 16:20:00 jboticsource I got usb to sata/ide
05 16:20:00 jboticsource never heard of jtag
05 16:20:00 tommost The JTAG bit was the important part, jboticsource.
05 16:22:00 jboticsource I thought so.....i was hoping that the cables I had could be used in combo with someone else's to fix the problem potentially
05 16:26:00 Morasique i doubt anybody has a jtag cable just lying around
05 16:28:00 kleinjt jtag for what?
05 16:28:00 chtr i'm going to end up building one if i can't find one
05 16:29:00 chtr for the digilent nexys 2 board
05 16:29:00 kleinjt I've got a JTAG for avrs, but I don't think it'll work on much else
05 16:30:00 chtr JTAG is JTAG, except for the pinout of the connector
05 16:30:00 kleinjt drivers might be an issue
05 16:30:00 chtr yeah... have you used it under linux?
05 16:31:00 kleinjt nope, I'm happy using AVR studio. it is one of the reasons I keep a Windows installation around
05 16:32:00 kleinjt I'd rather not fight the tools, and avr studio works fine for me
05 16:32:00 tommost "...happy using...Windows"
05 16:33:00 chtr ah
05 16:33:00 kleinjt <@tommost> "...happy using...Windows"
05 16:34:00 tommost Touché.
05 17:33:00 chtr so... does anyone have some 74HC125s i could borrow? (kleinjt?)
05 17:34:00 kleinjt chtr: I know I don't have it in HC
05 17:35:00 chtr kleinjt: what would you have it in?
05 17:36:00 kleinjt well. I haven't memorized all my stock with the 300+ new chips I picked up off free stuff tables in the past month, but most of them tended to be LS
05 17:38:00 kleinjt I don't recall any 74125s, they were mostly basic logic gates, shift regiters, flip flops, display drivers, bcd converters, monostable vibrators, and other boring stuff
05 17:39:00 chtr well damn.
05 17:39:00 chtr eh, let me know if you have 125s, LS would be fine too
05 17:46:00 Morasique are we using codewords?
05 17:46:00 Morasique well, code numbers
05 18:03:00 kleinjt does anyone extra for loops? I think I'll need some for my OS lab. I've tried nesting them to produce more but they got bugged.
05 18:04:00 kleinjt oh, right, I should say stupid things on #rhnoise
05 18:11:00 Morasique you should say stupid things in #rhnull
05 19:29:00 Morasique who started the webdav page?
05 19:29:00 andy753421 me
05 19:29:00 Morasique you made three mistakes in like ten words
05 19:29:00 andy753421 good for me
05 19:30:00 andy753421 you made zero mistakes in zero words, which is undefined, I win
05 19:31:00 Morasique T_T
05 19:36:00 Blazeix curses chtr! I was going to fix that error
05 19:37:00 Morasique damn, how did i miss that
05 19:38:00 andy753421 you can tell which hey I hit tab after when running that program :)
05 19:40:00 andy753421 *key ...
05 19:41:00 andy753421 at least I wasn't talking over break, finch doesn't have spell check in it
05 19:43:00 Morasique finch has been intercepting my messages lately so they don't get through to pidgin on my other machine, i don't know what happened suddenly
05 19:43:00 andy753421 on irc or aim?
05 19:44:00 Morasique aim
05 19:44:00 andy753421 yea.. i think that's aim's fault
05 19:45:00 Morasique i keep finch open in a screen session on my desktop so i'm always on aim, but i use pidgin on my laptop to actually talk to people
05 19:45:00 Morasique yeah, they must've changed something recently. it makes me sad
05 19:45:00 chtr does anyone use bitlbee?
05 19:45:00 andy753421 i tried
05 19:45:00 chtr i keep meaning to try it
05 19:45:00 Morasique i tried it, but it had the same problem i'm describing now only worse
05 19:45:00 Morasique it intercepted all messages while it was open
05 19:45:00 chtr uh, that seems fine to me
05 19:46:00 andy753421 chtr: i tried to use it with ircsrv but i didn't work very well, i blame it on ircsrv though
05 19:46:00 Morasique well, if you have multiple clients open at once it's not. if you're going to use it for your only aim connection it should be fine
05 19:46:00 Morasique i liked it when i tried it, it was much better than finch
05 19:46:00 chtr andy753421: ah, ok. maybe i'll give it a try later today
05 19:46:00 Morasique i was actually considering switching to it permanently recently, that's why i asked about the irssi/needs_attention thing yesterday
05 19:47:00 chtr i use pork for aim right now, so i don't get any notifications
05 19:47:00 chtr i like that.
05 19:47:00 Morasique i like notifications
05 19:47:00 Morasique i have pidgin notify me everytime someone's status changes
05 19:47:00 andy753421 hehehe
05 19:48:00 andy753421 i wonder if AOL prevents status change flooding
05 19:48:00 chtr that seems gratuituous
05 19:48:00 Morasique andy753421: go for it
05 19:48:00 andy753421 check if you can do that from dbus
05 19:49:00 Morasique pidgin lets you change your status through dbus, my screensaver script uses it
05 19:49:00 Morasique dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=im.pidgin.purple.PurpleService /im/pidgin/purple/PurpleObject im.pidgin.purple.PurpleInterface.PurpleSavedstatusActivate int32:2541
05 19:49:00 Morasique you need to know your away message's id number though, the 2541 at the end. i forget how i figured that out
05 19:51:00 andy753421 damn i hate dbus
05 19:51:00 chtr i see forward slashes in dbus and it makes me think it should be a filesystem
05 19:52:00 andy753421 i hate that it uses .'s /'s and then more .'s
05 19:52:00 andy753421 and then :'s
05 20:04:00 andy753421 apparently they don't mind :)
05 20:04:00 chtr what is the rationale of using dbus instead of 9p?
05 20:08:00 Morasique whose rationale? mine is that pidgin doesn't support 9p
05 20:08:00 andy753421 aww, msn gets angry "MSN Error: Friendly name changes to rapidly"
05 20:08:00 Morasique if you mean developers, i think dbus is just more widely accepted, 9p is pretty clearly better
05 20:08:00 chtr yeah, i meant developers
05 20:09:00 chtr i guess my question is *how* dbus got to be so widely accepted
05 20:09:00 Morasique andy753421: good job
05 20:11:00 andy753421 how did i flood IRC?
05 20:11:00 andy753421 since when does changing my status change stuff for irc?
05 20:12:00 Morasique by default pidgin changes your status for all your connections at once
05 20:12:00 Morasique you can set certain away messages to only apply to certain connections
05 20:12:00 andy753421 hm.. i didn't realize IRC had statuses
05 20:12:00 Morasique /away and /back
05 20:27:00 chtr also, venti + vbackup + vnfs is amazing
05 20:37:00 Morasique that is a lot of v's
05 20:38:00 chtr s/v's/awesome/
05 21:15:00 shatly just use irssi
05 21:15:00 shatly it is better for irc
05 21:19:00 chtr everything's always better
05 21:20:00 chtr also, for anyone in ece333/ece130/some_other_fpga-ish_class, you may be interested in this: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Xilinx
05 21:47:00 Morasique i don't know why people care so much about their irc client. it's entirely text based, there isn't much that distinguishes one from another
05 21:48:00 chtr Morasique: but... but... monospaced fonts!
05 21:51:00 Morasique i think they all support your choice of font :)
05 22:41:00 chtr awesome plumbing rule of the night: http://rafb.net/p/64cI5l24.html
05 22:43:00 chtr it's great to be able to do an emerge -s, and then just right click on the package i want to install.
05 22:59:00 Morasique that is cool
05 23:23:00 chtr yes, the plumber is rather versatile
06 02:51:00 Morasique oh cool, irssi lets you set regular expressions that get highlighted. i should really read the docs for this program
06 02:51:00 Morasique i just discovered window splitting today too
06 02:52:00 tommost Even I knew that irssi could do that. You really didn't work too hard at this "switching IRC clients" thing, did you?
06 02:52:00 tommost This is why I don't like to switch software... I do it *properly*.
06 02:53:00 tommost ;)
06 02:59:00 Morasique i haven't done a thing with irssi, i never got around to it
06 03:01:00 tommost I'm disappointed in you. :'(
06 03:02:00 Morasique me too T_T
06 09:18:00 chtr i haven't done a thing with irssi. the whole point is that i just /connect and /join and everything's good
06 09:21:00 tommost Hey, just like Pidgin.
06 09:22:00 chtr awesome. then i suggest you continue to use pidgin and i continue to use irssi
06 09:22:00 tommost Sounds good.
06 09:55:00 Morasique wait, agreeing to disagree? that's a dangerous precedent
06 11:50:00 chtr andy753421: is there a troff (or -ms macro or something) equivalent of latex's verbatim?
06 11:52:00 andy753421 i use .so
06 11:52:00 andy753421 which includes it from another file
06 11:53:00 chtr hm that gives me funkiness with line breaks
06 11:55:00 andy753421 try putting .ft C, .eo, or .nf before it
06 11:55:00 andy753421 (/sys/doc/troff.pdf if you haven't found it yet)
06 11:57:00 chtr ah, .nf was the ticket. thanks.
06 11:58:00 quark__ whats the grep option do display lines around what you are searching for?
06 11:58:00 chtr -A and -B
06 11:58:00 quark__ and they take a line number?
06 11:58:00 quark__ do they do the exact same thing?
06 11:59:00 chtr yes, numbers. -A is lines after, -B is lines before
06 11:59:00 quark__ ahh
06 11:59:00 quark__ sweet thanks
06 11:59:00 quark__ that was faster than reading man pages
06 12:11:00 Morasique "the Thermaltake BlacX (Model N0028USU) maximizes heat dissipation and exhaust for all 2.5 and 3.5-inch SATA hard drives up to 1TB". why would the drive capacity have anything to do with that?
06 12:42:00 quark__ any of you guys know anything about modding a wii?
06 14:31:00 chtr so, who's trekking to the SGA finance meeting with me today?
06 14:32:00 andy753421 when?
06 14:32:00 chtr ``Sorry for the late notice, but the end of Christmas Break kind of snuck up on me. We will be reviewing your funding request on Tuesday (Jan 6) at 5:00 in the Kahn room. Please have a representative there. Thanks.''
06 14:33:00 andy753421 hm.. who's the treasurer anyway?
06 14:33:00 andy753421 s/the/our
06 14:33:00 chtr sam?
06 16:06:00 Morasique i support it
06 16:06:00 Morasique curses!
06 16:07:00 Morasique chtr: i can go
06 16:11:00 tommost Morasique++
06 16:19:00 Morasique thunderbird lets you schedule reminders for after an event starts. that seems unhelpful
06 16:20:00 tommost You use Lightning?
06 16:21:00 Morasique yeah
06 16:21:00 tommost Has it seen any improvement in the last few months?
06 16:21:00 Morasique i don't think it's changed much in the last few months; what's wrong with it?
06 16:23:00 tommost It's ugly and terrible.
06 16:23:00 Morasique i like how it looks, actually. i'm not sure what "terrible" means
06 16:23:00 chtr Morasique: it means bad
06 16:23:00 tommost Very bad.
06 16:24:00 tommost I use Outlook via rdesktop and it's still better.
06 16:25:00 Morasique i was looking for clarification, thesaurus.com could've given me "very bad"
06 16:25:00 Morasique i do like outlook more, but i don't have a windows machine and don't want to wine it
06 16:25:00 tommost Apparently it can't be wined in any case.
06 16:25:00 chtr you could do what my professors do and just use powerpoint for scheduling
06 16:25:00 tommost Still, Rose runs servers with Outlook on them. :)\
06 16:26:00 Morasique i hear it works well with cxoffice, but i haven't tried
06 16:26:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/calendar.png
06 16:26:00 Morasique pretty...
06 16:26:00 tommost That actually is pretty.
06 16:27:00 Morasique that would be lightning
06 16:27:00 tommost When I used Sunbird I couldn't find any decent skins for it. The only one that *should* look nice didn't work with my dark theme.
06 16:31:00 chtr http://freya.phire.org/shots/2009-01-06_21:30:25_1920x1200.png
06 16:34:00 Morasique big surprise
06 16:34:00 tommost is unimpressed
06 16:34:00 Morasique i used emacs org-mode over the summer for my task lists, i rather liked that. i'm kind of split between lightning and that now, i use lightning for school stuff and emacs for other tasks
06 16:35:00 tommost Haha! Brilliant Databases project idea: FUSE filesystem interface for contacts, calendering information, and tasks.
06 16:36:00 chtr s/FUSE/9P/
06 16:36:00 Morasique interface to what? and that doesn't sound DB-oriented
06 16:37:00 tommost Instead of a GUI, FUSE.
06 16:37:00 tommost Everything gets stored in a PostgreSQL database.
06 16:39:00 Morasique i can see that being useful. i use awk to deal with my org-mode flat file, a db would probably be better
06 16:40:00 tommost Well, I wasn't really going for useful, but sure.
06 16:41:00 Morasique andy753421: are you going? chtr is asking me
06 16:41:00 Morasique (to SGA)
06 16:44:00 tommost I'm very disappointed to find that CD-ROM drives don't eject when held vertically.
06 16:44:00 tommost There goes my lightswitch flipper.
06 16:51:00 andy753421 oh wait, that's today
06 16:52:00 andy753421 i wasn't planning on it.. does he want me to?
06 17:09:00 chtr andy753421: finance comittee approved the full amount, the actual meeting is in 20 minutes
06 17:10:00 chtr Morasique and I are here, so i think we're good
06 17:13:00 Morasique tommost: i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be strong enough anyway
06 17:13:00 tommost Yeah, probably. It was worth a try, though.
06 17:16:00 Morasique i hate my battery so very much
06 17:17:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/aTllzG62.html
06 17:18:00 Morasique chtr: die in a fire
06 17:21:00 Morasique chtr just asked me who the most popular person in lug is
06 17:22:00 tommost What did you say?
06 17:22:00 tommost Or did you just stare blankly?
06 17:23:00 Morasique tommost: i said luglog
06 17:23:00 tommost Good choice.
06 17:23:00 tommost luglog++
06 17:26:00 chtr so i need more plausible reasons for requesting the server now
06 17:27:00 tommost What do you have so far?
06 17:27:00 chtr distro mirrors, wiki, virtual machines for testing, backups for people before we hose their drives, etc.
06 17:27:00 tommost I got nothin'.
06 17:27:00 chtr thanks
06 17:28:00 tommost Campus IRC server?
06 17:28:00 tommost Not that we'd really want to do it, but hey.
06 17:28:00 chtr i'd prefer to not mention IRC
06 17:28:00 tommost Probably wise.
06 17:34:00 chtr when's our next installfest
06 17:45:00 chtr we got $1600 or so.
06 17:45:00 chtr that is, it's approved, so we get a server!
06 17:56:00 Morasique high-fives everyone
06 17:56:00 Morasique the lack of enthusiasm is depressing
06 18:01:00 kleinjt yay linux club
06 18:01:00 kleinjt they got a server apparently
06 18:01:00 Morasique kleinjt: it's ok, lug will steal it from them
06 18:02:00 Morasique chtr++ for justifying the server's specs
06 18:02:00 kleinjt how was this done?
06 18:05:00 Morasique somebody asked about the 3TB of storage, chtr talked about raid eating up some of it and then offering space for students to backup hard drives during installfests
06 18:05:00 Morasique i don't know if we'd actually planned on doing that or if he made it up on the spot, but it's a good idea and did justify the ridiculous amount of space
06 18:07:00 Morasique it's probably in the amended constitution: "the gavel must be struck"
06 18:07:00 Morasique damn it!
06 18:07:00 Morasique i suck at these split windows
06 18:08:00 chtr woo server.
06 18:08:00 chtr 2TB of usable space is very reasonable for a mirror. just look at kernel.or
06 18:08:00 chtr g
06 18:08:00 Morasique seconded
06 18:08:00 Morasique is there any discussion on the wooing of the server?
06 18:08:00 chtr can we vote on that?
06 18:08:00 Morasique hearing none, please signify your woo by raising your hands
06 18:08:00 kleinjt so to beat addiator we only need 8 cores and 32gb ram
06 18:08:00 Morasique chtr: kernel.org is slightly more reputable/used than we are
06 18:09:00 chtr well, we've got the 8 cores covered
06 18:09:00 Morasique mentioning that we almost beat addiator would not have been a good idea
06 18:09:00 chtr and we've got 8GB of ram...
06 18:09:00 andy753421 i'm confused, there was an SGA meeting today?
06 18:09:00 chtr andy753421: yes. finance and real.
06 18:10:00 Morasique andy753421: we've been talking about it, chtr got an e-mail about it like sunday
06 18:10:00 Morasique apparently the key to us getting a server was me being there not talking, it was practically unanimous
06 18:12:00 andy753421 hm.. i thought the actual meeting would have been in a week or so
06 18:12:00 andy753421 anyway, yay :)
06 18:12:00 chtr so how does purchasing big ticket items like this work then?
06 18:13:00 andy753421 not sure..
06 18:17:00 chtr we should figure that out, now i'm anxious
06 18:17:00 andy753421 hey, the prices on newegg went down, except the hard disks are out of stock..
06 18:17:00 Morasique you should probably e-mail the sga person we always talk to
06 18:17:00 Morasique (chtr)
06 18:17:00 andy753421 anyway we have an extra $95 to spend
06 18:17:00 andy753421 i say extra ram :)
06 18:18:00 andy753421 16GB ram?
06 18:18:00 andy753421 anyway, i have to go buy food
06 18:18:00 chtr yes, 16GB
06 18:18:00 chtr we'll be closer to addiator...
06 18:19:00 Morasique well that's reason enough
06 18:20:00 Morasique also, that seems to have been the shortest sga meeting of all time
06 18:28:00 tommost celebrates
06 18:31:00 tommost I told my roommates about the server and they're pissed. One wants to start a club dedicated to sofa appreciation in order to get money out of SGA.
06 18:32:00 chtr yes, because a sofa is as beneficial to the campus as a server
06 18:32:00 tommost I don't think that he'd settle for just one sofa. He probably had stadium seating in mind. :)
06 18:33:00 Morasique tommost: tell your roommates they're ignorant
06 18:34:00 tommost Why?
06 18:34:00 Morasique for thinking a lug server is useless
06 18:34:00 tommost They never said that.
06 18:35:00 Morasique i think it was implied by the sofa appreciation club
06 18:35:00 kleinjt Morasique: you are ignorant for implying that sofas are worthless
06 18:36:00 Morasique kleinjt: sofas aren't useless. a club appreciating them is
06 18:38:00 Morasique don't worry, i hadn't planned on it
06 18:38:00 Morasique hell. i should undo this split thing
06 18:38:00 Morasique although i'm not sure how
06 18:40:00 Morasique ...
06 18:41:00 Morasique curse you irssi!
06 18:41:00 tommost LLOL.
06 21:02:00 jboticsource1 server ftw
06 21:02:00 chtr the question now becomes: who buys it?
06 21:03:00 Morasique chtr: don't we have a treasurer?
06 21:03:00 jboticsource1 I can ask someone how that works
06 21:03:00 jboticsource1 if you want
06 21:03:00 Morasique jboticsource1: ask if they can give it to us in cash in a bag with dollar signs on it. i really want that
06 21:03:00 chtr sure, but i thought you said that someone does have to buy it and then get reimbursed
06 21:04:00 jboticsource1 yea, I will ask if there is an exception
06 21:04:00 chtr oh, a bag of 2 dollar bills would be fantastic
06 21:04:00 chtr povilusr_desktop: hey, want to buy $1600 worth of parts from newegg and have SGA reimburse you?
06 21:05:00 Morasique he's in my room atm doing homework
06 21:05:00 chtr ask him
06 21:05:00 Morasique he says no
06 21:05:00 tommost Tell him he's wrong.
06 21:05:00 chtr ask him to elaborate
06 21:06:00 Morasique apparently he knows how it works though, we need to get an invoice from newegg and then sga will pay it
06 21:06:00 chtr hm, i suppose that would work.
06 21:06:00 chtr tell him to do that, he's the treasurer
06 21:06:00 Morasique i think he's going to deal with it
06 21:06:00 Morasique probably not this second though
06 21:06:00 chtr yeah, i wouldn't expect him to
06 21:06:00 chtr but eventually
06 21:39:00 andy753421 Random poll for my senior project:
06 21:40:00 andy753421 if you have an if statement with a single command in the body, should you A) use curly braces, or B) leave them out
06 21:40:00 jboticsource1 use braces
06 21:41:00 tommost C) Leave them out if both the condition and the statement can fit on a single line, else, put the statement on the next line with braces.
06 21:42:00 chtr andy753421: i do A. i think style(6) disagrees with me. but that's alright, i disagree with it on many issues
06 22:12:00 Morasique i also vote for A, if it still matters
06 22:16:00 andy753421 you people disappoint me
06 22:17:00 tommost andy753421: You like B, then?
06 22:17:00 andy753421 yea
06 22:17:00 Morasique i didn't think anyone liked B
06 22:18:00 andy753421 K&R like B, which is all that matters
06 22:18:00 andy753421 also, Linus likes B
06 22:18:00 tommost I'm fine with B, as long as the statement doesn't span lines. At that point things can get unclear. That's why I try to keep it all to one line.
06 22:18:00 Morasique i think i recall hating every style decision K&R supported
06 22:19:00 andy753421 tommost: so you do `if (foo) bar()' or `if (foo)\n\tbar()'?
06 22:19:00 tommost The first one, if possible. The second is acceptable. If bar() needs to span multiple lines then curly braces are required.
06 22:20:00 Morasique i've seen this too many times in student code: http://pastebin.com/m30f164a2
06 22:20:00 chtr that's what happens when you teach them python before C.
06 22:20:00 tommost Yeah, that's why I prefer a single line.
06 22:20:00 tommost Though I can't actually recall ever doing that myself.
06 22:21:00 Morasique i haven't ever done that. possibly because my use of braces prevents it
06 22:21:00 chtr to be honest, i'm not set in stone either way. if i'm using doing a single if with a single statement, i'll leave the braces off
06 22:21:00 chtr if i have an else or an else if afterwards, then i'll usually use braces
06 22:22:00 tommost Oh, yes, I never do that with an else. Well, unless the else is also a single statement. Then I think I did if(cond) foo(); \n else bar(); once. Probably in a Greasemonkey script, though.
06 22:22:00 tommost I'm lazy in GM scripts.
06 22:23:00 chtr in verilog i find myself doing ``if (cond) statement\nelse statement2''
06 22:23:00 chtr but i never do that in C.
06 22:23:00 tommost Yeah, well Verilog has those stupid keywords.
06 22:23:00 tommost It's totally understandable.
06 22:23:00 chtr yes, begin and end annoy me.
06 22:24:00 tommost Let's be clear: braces are stupid too.
06 22:24:00 chtr no, they're logical.
06 22:24:00 chtr also, you know this argument won't go anywhere
06 22:25:00 tommost That I do. Sadly.
06 23:01:00 quark__ is there any reason v doesn't put vim in visual mode?
06 23:25:00 andy753421 hm.. is there a better way to do this: `SomeStruct _foo, *foo = &foo;'?
06 23:31:00 chtr i might be missing something obvious, but i'm not sure what you're trying to do there
06 23:33:00 chtr quark__: if you're in insert mode then pressing v probably wouldn't switch vim to visual mode ;)
06 23:52:00 quark__ yeah but I was in command mode
07 00:30:00 chtr from style(6): *follow the standard idioms: use x < 0 not 0 > x, etc.
07 00:30:00 chtr i saw a style guide at my internship this summer (not where i was working) that advocated stuff like 0 == x
07 00:31:00 chtr rationale: if you forget an equal sign the compiler will catch it
07 00:31:00 chtr i suppose that's a good thing, but it looks so very wrong
07 00:41:00 tommost That's why I use !variable instead of variable == NULL.
07 00:52:00 chtr i use variable == nil
07 01:05:00 tommost ...
07 01:06:00 chtr i like nil better than NULL
07 01:06:00 chtr it's rather irrational, i know
07 01:47:00 andy753421 so to continue the earlier conversation, i need to create a pointer to some data on the stack
07 01:48:00 andy753421 and i don't want to use alloca
07 01:49:00 andy753421 also, i sometimes use `0 == x' if x is a really long function call
07 01:50:00 chtr ok, i suppose i could see that. though if i were comparing to 0 i'd just do ! instead.
07 02:20:00 andy753421 how are samsung hard disks?
07 02:21:00 andy753421 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152102)
07 02:23:00 chtr hm, i forget what drives i'm using; they may be samsungs
07 02:23:00 chtr personally the thing i rate the highest is the warrant
07 02:23:00 chtr y
07 02:23:00 chtr those have three year warranties, but i prefer to buy drives with 5 yr warranties
07 02:24:00 chtr and also, everyone has had a bad experience with a particular manufacturer, so opinions like that don't help much
07 02:29:00 andy753421 http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=5886909
07 02:32:00 andy753421 someone should figure out how to buy these things :)
07 02:38:00 andy753421 "For large purchases, it is possible to get a purchase order created. The purchase order would originate in the department of the club advisor, and be redirected to SGA before it is paid. Contact the SGA Treasurer for details."
07 02:49:00 chtr i like the amount of ram in that orde
07 02:49:00 chtr r
07 02:51:00 andy753421 the only downside is that it fills up all the ram slots so it can't be upgraded much
07 02:55:00 chtr well, i think 16GB of ram will be sufficient for the next few years
07 10:09:00 Morasique awesome: irssi supports upgrading without disconnecting. you upgrade the binary and type /upgrade and it switches
07 10:10:00 tommost That's pretty cool.
07 10:16:00 Morasique there's a plugin chtr should probably get that shows possible nick completions if you try to autocomplete ambiguously
07 12:18:00 chtr so, of the utmost importance, what will be the name of the server?
07 12:21:00 tommost Yes, very important.
07 12:48:00 chtr also, we can now let the distro wars begin
07 12:50:00 Morasique i like 'mrozekma-4'
07 12:54:00 chtr Morasique: i think you're alone
07 12:55:00 Morasique etudes-3 it is then
07 13:04:00 Morasique the hard drives are in stock yet. quick, somebody buy everything
07 13:05:00 Morasique s/yet/again/
07 13:05:00 Morasique glares at povilusr_desktop
07 13:27:00 Morasique shatly: i think you may have missed the point of that feature
07 13:27:00 Morasique ack
07 13:28:00 Morasique isn't there a way to get separate input prompts on each split window in irssi?
07 13:28:00 Morasique somebody tell me how
07 14:53:00 chtr apparently i have two distressingly similar, yet not quite similar enough, root partitions on my drive
07 14:53:00 chtr i thought i was going insane because i had sworn i had installed abiword and rdesktop already...
07 14:54:00 chtr this also explains some of these plumbing rules weren't working
07 14:54:00 chtr time to reboot...
07 15:12:00 Morasique chtr: how do you not notice that?
07 15:13:00 chtr i noticed, i just assumed i was going mad
07 15:13:00 chtr especially when my ssh keys didn't work and i went to start secstored, only to find that /etc/init.d/secstored didn't exist
07 15:13:00 chtr i knew i had created it just the other day...
07 17:34:00 TBoneULS Morasique: if you're bored, you should make a 5-minute-late-man comic staring mark
07 17:39:00 Morasique TBoneULS: i have no idea what you're talking about
07 20:57:00 Morasique am i the only person that didn't know about &fmt=18 on youtube? you can stick it on the end of any url to get a high quality version of the video instead of the terribleness youtube usually gives you
07 20:58:00 chtr Morasique: yes, i think you are
07 20:58:00 Morasique why don't they just do that all the time?
07 20:59:00 Morasique it's like having a "shitty=no" parameter
07 20:59:00 chtr no idea, actually
07 23:58:00 andy753421 http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/White_Space
08 00:01:00 chtr cool statistics
08 00:08:00 chtr http://csplan9.rit.edu/users/john/plan9vt220-full.jpeg
08 00:09:00 chtr doesn't the robotics team have a nice dumb terminal somewhere?
08 00:09:00 andy753421 I only count 80717 bytes of trailing whitespace these days :)
08 00:11:00 chtr you would count, wouldn't you?
08 00:12:00 chtr isn't there something in git (or maybe i'm thinking of the check patch script) that warns about trailing whitespace?
08 00:13:00 andy753421 git has everything else, so i wouldn't be supprised
08 00:15:00 chtr yeah, scripts/checkpatch.pl checks for it
08 00:16:00 chtr i think git does too
08 00:33:00 andy753421 git-svn looks interesting
08 00:33:00 andy753421 except it segfaults all the time :'(
08 00:39:00 quark__ boobs look intresting
08 00:39:00 quark__ no segfaults
08 00:39:00 Morasique andy753421: how often would you need to do that?
08 00:40:00 andy753421 i was hoping I would be able to use git as a replacement for svn
08 00:40:00 andy753421 that way I can commit to my local git repo without having to send the changes off
08 00:40:00 quark__ what is git-svn?
08 00:40:00 quark__ why not just use git
08 00:41:00 quark__ git > svn
08 00:41:00 quark__ bceause linus torvalds says so
08 00:41:00 andy753421 it lets git talk to svn repositories
08 00:41:00 quark__ ahh
08 00:41:00 andy753421 quark__: because not everyone else uses git
08 00:41:00 quark__ yeah i see
08 00:47:00 Morasique well, torvalds is pretty unbiased on the subject
08 00:52:00 quark__ i know!
08 00:52:00 quark__ thats why i trust his opinion
08 00:58:00 chtr yes, local commits would be really nice, but it seems that i'm hardly ever away from an internet connection these days
08 00:59:00 andy753421 yea, it's nice to be able to commit to save your work without worrying about breaking other peoples code though
08 00:59:00 andy753421 also, when the svn server breaks :)
08 00:59:00 chtr those virtual machines get might hot, you know
08 00:59:00 quark__ you can save your work without svn
08 00:59:00 andy753421 quark__: you mean copying to backup files?
08 01:00:00 quark__ no
08 01:00:00 chtr yeah, that strategy has never backfired...
08 01:00:00 andy753421 by save, i mean save with versioning :)
08 01:00:00 quark__ you mean like your own versioning system?
08 01:00:00 quark__ yeah....
08 01:01:00 tommost Where did virtual machines come into this?
08 01:01:00 andy753421 chtr: does plan 9 have a SCM of choice?
08 01:01:00 tommost s/Where/When/
08 01:01:00 chtr andy753421: hah
08 01:02:00 chtr the p9p repo is mercurial
08 01:02:00 andy753421 mercurial seemed to be popular, but does it actually run on plan 9?
08 01:02:00 chtr i don't think so, but i could be wrong
08 01:02:00 Morasique but...mercurial is written in *python*!
08 01:03:00 chtr i seem to recall some threads on 9fans criticising scm in general
08 01:03:00 andy753421 i guess that's a no :)
08 01:03:00 chtr Morasique: python runs on plan9
08 01:03:00 andy753421 it does?
08 01:03:00 andy753421 that seems rather supprising to me
08 01:03:00 Morasique chtr: i meant that it must be bad if it's python-based
08 01:04:00 chtr /n/sources/contrib/fgb/tar/python.tgz
08 01:04:00 chtr also, there's ruby.tgz in the same directory...
08 01:04:00 andy753421 :)
08 01:04:00 chtr oh, and an hg.tgz too
08 01:04:00 tommost Cool.
08 01:05:00 chtr yay, python 2.5.1
08 01:05:00 tommost Even better.
08 01:05:00 chtr also there's a spidermonkey port in the same folder
08 01:05:00 andy753421 now that's just scary
08 01:05:00 tommost Awesome!
08 01:06:00 andy753421 someone should port GTK+
08 01:06:00 tommost andy753421++
08 01:06:00 chtr xlib
08 01:06:00 chtr there's even a fourth compiler in that directory. i'm frightened.
08 01:07:00 andy753421 what about xlib?
08 01:08:00 chtr wouldn't gtk need xlib?
08 01:08:00 andy753421 shouldn't need to, after all, there's a windows port of it
08 01:08:00 chtr and in turn, xlib would need to talk to rio?
08 01:08:00 chtr oh, right.
08 01:12:00 andy753421 apparently GTK+ runs on framebuffer too :)
08 01:12:00 chtr oh yeah, i remember reading that last year
08 01:14:00 Morasique mplayer can play in framebuffers, it's pretty cool. not the ascii art thing, it actually looks like a normal video
08 01:15:00 chtr yes, framebuffers are a pretty logical choice for stuff like that
08 01:15:00 quark__ you mean porn?
08 01:15:00 quark__ erm...
08 01:15:00 chtr most blu-ray players don't tend to run X, for example
08 01:15:00 Morasique mplayer can play in framebuffers, it's pretty cool. not the ascii art thing, it actually looks like a normal video
08 01:15:00 Morasique gah
08 01:16:00 Morasique chtr: they don't run X *yet*
08 01:21:00 chtr i need to get the plan9 boxes going again tomorrow
08 01:22:00 chtr particularly the FS server, since i just read on 9fans that you can boot 9vx from a fileserver
08 01:22:00 chtr that way i can boot freya's 9vx instance from the file server, and be able to import that namespace when i'm off-campus
08 01:23:00 Morasique chtr: you also need to get the server running
08 01:23:00 Morasique after you buy it
08 01:23:00 tommost Isn't that andy753421's job?
08 01:24:00 tommost Server Admin and all?
08 01:24:00 chtr i think the purchasing of the server is the treasurer's responsibility
08 01:24:00 Morasique s/you/you make andy753421/
08 01:24:00 andy753421 i'll get it running once someone buys it
08 01:24:00 Morasique s/andy753421/povilusr/
08 01:25:00 andy753421 i'm going to be out of town next week, so if someone buys it in the next few days i'll put it together when I get back
08 01:25:00 chtr or we could put it together and install plan9 on it for you ;)
08 01:26:00 tommost We should have a presentation on how to assemble a server. :)
08 01:27:00 andy753421 speaking of which, has anyone tried to contact the SGA treasurer yet?
08 01:27:00 chtr andy753421: i think jay was going to
08 01:27:00 Morasique i think we concluded we needed to get them the invoice from newegg
08 02:01:00 chtr how will we be handling backups on the new server?
08 02:02:00 tommost Get AFS space.
08 02:03:00 chtr how much space do they usually give to clubs?
08 02:05:00 tommost For the Thorn he (Mitch?) was ready to give me tens of gigabytes with a bit of lead time (he wanted to split it among multiple volumes).
08 02:05:00 chtr oh, cool
08 02:06:00 Morasique i thought we were RAIDing it
08 02:06:00 tommost Yeah, but we still want some other backup for critical stuff.
08 02:06:00 chtr raid is not a backup
08 02:06:00 chtr RINAB, awesome.
08 02:06:00 andy753421 raid doesn't prevent rm -rf ;)
08 02:07:00 Morasique it is a backup, just not for user stupidity
08 02:08:00 Morasique buying 3TB of hard drives and then backing up to afs seems kind of dumb
08 02:08:00 tommost It's also not a backup for a power surge, say. Or a fire.
08 02:08:00 chtr backups would be for important things, like the wiki tables
08 02:08:00 chtr not for distro copies and such
08 02:08:00 tommost Exactly.
08 02:09:00 Morasique backing up the wiki tables is unimportant. just ask gentoo-wiki
08 02:09:00 tommost Burn.
08 02:09:00 tommost LLOL.
08 02:10:00 Morasique somebody should e-mail iait and politely demand space
08 02:10:00 chtr i'm sure everyone at IAIT is a fan of tom's
08 02:11:00 Morasique they probably spam filter his tickets automatically at this point
08 02:11:00 tommost Hey, my tickets are legitimate.
08 02:11:00 tommost Except for that cowsay one.
08 02:11:00 Morasique mine are too; that doesn't stop them from rejecting them
08 02:11:00 tommost But that was an anomaly.
08 02:11:00 tommost They generally fix mine.
08 02:12:00 Morasique well clearly they waste all their patience on you, and then get to my tickets
08 02:12:00 tommost My legitimate apparently != your legitimate.
08 02:12:00 Morasique my last ticket was to make "all men"/"all women" e-mail groups. i thought that was very legitimate
08 02:12:00 Morasique but apparently sending to all campus with the subject "if you're a guy delete this now" is a better solution
08 02:13:00 chtr in their defense, i could see that being hard to implement
08 02:13:00 tommost Awesome idea. You should also suggest Black/Asian/Protestant/Jewish lists next.
08 02:13:00 Morasique chtr: i'm trying to decide if you're joking
08 02:14:00 Morasique tommost: if they sent out lots of e-mails only for those groups, i would
08 02:14:00 Morasique we got four only-women e-mails in like a week
08 02:14:00 chtr Morasique: where is gender information actually stored?
08 02:14:00 Morasique chtr: i'm sure they have it along with everything else
08 02:31:00 Morasique huzzah!
08 02:31:00 Morasique sorry, i couldn't contain my glee
08 02:41:00 Morasique figlet is an entertaining program
08 02:41:00 Morasique it outputs ascii block letters of whatever you pass it
08 02:41:00 Morasique sadly, piping that into cowsay doesn't seem to be working. damn word wrapping
08 02:42:00 chtr i'm really tempted to pipe the meeting minutes for my 361 group through cowsay before uploading to angel
08 10:10:00 ZetaSyanthis chtr++
08 10:10:00 ZetaSyanthis (from rhnoise)
08 10:10:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: that kind of defeats the point of #rhnoise
08 10:11:00 ZetaSyanthis yes, yes it does :)
08 10:14:00 ZetaSyanthis then again, having 3/4 of lug there anyways does the same thing
08 13:02:00 chtr http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/08/sandisk_notebook_flash/
08 13:02:00 chtr i'm curious what the random read speeds are going to be for those
08 13:02:00 chtr it'd make a nice venti index
08 16:13:00 Morasique damn it, my laptop's clock was an hour fast. i was starting to wonder where everyone was
08 16:21:00 chtr erm, where are you?
08 16:21:00 crr here!
08 16:21:00 chtr woah, me too
08 16:24:00 andy753421 (chtr and crr have an edit distance of two)
08 16:26:00 chtr andy753421: you just made me physically look around to see where crr was
08 16:26:00 chtr then i felt very very stupid
08 16:27:00 andy753421 oh, i missed out on that :(
08 16:42:00 chtr hm, i need a VGA cable to boot up the plan9 box
08 16:42:00 Morasique do we have a presentation? or are we just talking about the server and how awesome it is/we are
08 16:42:00 chtr or maybe it started up and got an ip... time to nmap 137.112.104.*
08 16:43:00 chtr Morasique: if i can get an avr toolchain compiled before we start, then maybe
08 16:44:00 Morasique damn, i need to have rhnoise watch for that
08 16:45:00 Morasique ack!
08 16:45:00 Morasique i was doing so well
08 17:00:00 chtr boo: http://rafb.net/p/zXd4bH45.html
08 17:01:00 Morasique chtr: you have 15 minutes. fix it
08 17:07:00 Morasique sic is masked in portage. that program is like 50 lines long, how can it possibly be unstable?
08 17:08:00 chtr main { int a; free(a); }
08 17:08:00 chtr do i win?
08 17:10:00 Morasique chtr: in a way. i suspect the people at suckless.org are smarter than that though
08 17:10:00 chtr of course, they wrote wmii
08 17:11:00 Morasique oh. maybe not then
08 17:30:00 tommost Is there a meeting happening?
08 17:30:00 TBoneULS yes
08 17:30:00 TBoneULS kind of
08 17:30:00 tommost What's going on?
08 17:30:00 TBoneULS i dont believe a presentation is in the works, there was some arguement about the server
08 17:30:00 TBoneULS and now everyones just talking
08 17:31:00 TBoneULS something about iait and what we should name the server
08 17:32:00 tommost LUGer
08 17:32:00 tommost deLUGe
08 17:32:00 tommost earpLUG
08 17:32:00 tommost LUGgage
08 17:33:00 tommost sLUGs
08 17:33:00 tommost unpLUG(ed)
08 17:34:00 TBoneULS tommost: why are not here?
08 17:34:00 TBoneULS erk
08 17:34:00 Morasique tommost: why would there not be a meeting?
08 18:06:00 chtr tom!
08 18:14:00 tommost I meant, is there actually a meeting still happening 15 minutes after it's supposed to start and is there anything that would motivate me to walk over there in favor of going to dinner and then taking a nap?
08 18:14:00 tommost auchter!
08 18:19:00 Morasique tommost: i think we're leaving
08 18:19:00 Morasique you suck, btw
08 18:19:00 tommost Why?
08 18:19:00 Morasique for not coming
08 18:19:00 tommost Why?
08 18:20:00 tommost I got back from work late.
08 18:20:00 Morasique because the lug meeting is sacrosanct
08 18:20:00 tommost breaks into tears
08 18:20:00 tommost You're right. You're right. ...please forgive me?
08 18:21:00 Morasique we set up all the user accounts for the server today. i guess you don't get one :(
08 18:21:00 tommost Now I'm pretty sure you're lying.
08 18:22:00 Morasique and then we had a pinata filled with candy!
08 18:25:00 tommost I'm sorry I missed it.
08 18:25:00 Morasique chtr left, and i was happy. and then he came back
08 18:26:00 chtr don't worry, i'm leaving
08 18:26:00 Morasique dances
08 18:27:00 Morasique i'm reading a list of vim keybindings, and i keep thinking "that's just like in vimperator!"
08 18:27:00 chtr you know you want to switch
08 18:27:00 chtr you're already over the main part of the learning curve
08 18:27:00 Morasique i want to mess with it. of course, i would have to install it
08 18:27:00 Morasique i think i explicitly masked it in portage
08 18:27:00 chtr don't worry, it's a few orders of magnitude smaller than emacs
08 18:28:00 tommost I have to say, emacs really screws up JavaScript formatting.
08 18:28:00 Morasique tommost: lies
08 18:28:00 tommost It's really annoying to work with files that my supervisor at Ventures has edited.
08 18:28:00 Morasique also, i hate tommost_addiator, it screws up my tab-complete of tommost
08 18:28:00 tommost How?
08 18:29:00 tommost It doesn't in Pidgin.
08 18:29:00 Morasique i have it displays possible matches if it's ambiguous
08 18:29:00 Morasique so i don't tab-complete to the wrong person by mistake
08 18:29:00 tommost Pidgin completes the longest common prefix.
08 18:30:00 Morasique ah. well, this doesn't
08 18:30:00 tommost So I type "toTAB" and get "tommost".
08 18:30:00 chtr tommost:
08 18:30:00 chtr tommost:
08 18:30:00 chtr the first was toTAB
08 18:30:00 chtr that second was tTAB
08 18:30:00 chtr Morasique: learn to irssi
08 18:30:00 tommost I knew someone was going to comment on the "o".
08 18:31:00 tommost I just knew it.
08 18:31:00 Morasique chtr: yes, you're using the default behavior. i like it this way in most cases. except with tommost and his random sockpuppet
08 18:31:00 tommost s/sockpuppet/personal #rhnoise log/
08 18:32:00 Morasique tommost: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/
08 18:32:00 tommost Morasique: Fail.
08 18:33:00 Morasique how is that fail?
08 18:33:00 tommost #rhnoise != #rhlug
08 18:33:00 Morasique oh. i secretly log #rhnoise, i'll send you the link
08 18:35:00 tommost auchter: Today was a presentation on your part?
08 18:39:00 chtr tommost: no
08 18:43:00 Morasique all we did was talk about the server
08 18:43:00 chtr oh, and andy753421 put a new CAPTCHA on the wiki. it's in comic sans.
08 18:44:00 tommost BURN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!
08 18:45:00 Morasique andy753421: did you delete the spam accounts?
08 18:45:00 andy753421 not yet
08 18:48:00 crr were you serious about creating accounts on the server?
08 18:48:00 crr I was expecting a call at 5, so I wasn't able to attend
08 18:48:00 Morasique no, we don't even have the server yet
08 18:49:00 crr do you have any specs in mind? How much is budgeted for it?
08 18:49:00 crr and are we building it or just buying it?
08 18:49:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Servers
08 18:50:00 Morasique sorry, the specs aren't there. http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Probationary_Budget
08 18:50:00 chtr now with 2x the ram!
08 18:50:00 Morasique dodged a bullet there, we were almost stuck with 8gb of ram
08 18:50:00 tommost Yeah. Scary idea, that.
08 18:51:00 tommost Personally, I'd prefer to leave slots free so that we can ask for money for more RAM next year.
08 18:51:00 tommost What else would we put in our budget?
08 18:51:00 crr sweet
08 18:52:00 Morasique we increased it because the hard drives went down in price since we wrote the budget so we had spare money and couldn't think of anything else
08 18:52:00 tommost Well, could you get like 1.5 times the RAM and have some slots free?
08 18:53:00 shatly t-shits?
08 18:53:00 tommost T-shirts can only come from the probationary budget.
08 18:54:00 tommost s/probationary/advertising/
08 18:54:00 Morasique tommost: why would we leave slots free and then just buy the ram next year if we can buy it now?
08 18:54:00 shatly Morasique: polotics
08 18:54:00 Morasique shatly: you really need to find yourself a dictionary
08 18:55:00 shatly Morasique i need to get spell check working
08 18:55:00 tommost So that we have space for $whatever's_necessary_to_surpass_addiator MB next year.
08 18:55:00 tommost shatly: Use Pidgin; it works automatically.
08 18:59:00 Morasique .slap tommost
08 18:59:00 Morasique damn it
08 18:59:00 Morasique everytime i think i've got it down i mess up again
08 19:06:00 tommost How would I go about mapping one of my mouse buttons to super?
08 19:12:00 Morasique tommost: you might be able to use xmodmap
08 19:14:00 tommost http://github.com/why/potion/tree/master
08 19:35:00 Morasique er. my split disappeared. maybe irssi decided i just couldn't handle it
08 19:36:00 chtr yes, it was a concensus amoung us all
08 19:37:00 Morasique i was getting it! kind of
08 19:39:00 Morasique ooo. "I made the active status bar bright red as a better visual clue to where I am. Since hacking this in the theme, I haven't sent a message to the wrong channel."
08 19:39:00 Morasique i should figure out how to do that
08 20:15:00 Blazeix Has anybody ever worked with CalVis?
08 20:15:00 Blazeix The google calendar UI library
08 21:48:00 chtr so on the wiki one of the VM suggestions is BeOS... acquiring a license for that is going to be an issue...
08 21:50:00 chtr also, though hosting a windows VM for cadence would be nice, do we have access to a multi-user license?
08 21:50:00 quark_ i assume you mean legit licensees
08 21:50:00 chtr damn, i hate propreitary OSes. these thoughts should not be crossing my mind
08 21:50:00 chtr yes, obviously.
08 21:50:00 quark_ lame
08 21:50:00 chtr legal
08 21:50:00 quark_ yeah fuck that
08 21:51:00 tommost By "BeOS" I meant "my personal BeOS VM".
08 21:51:00 tommost BeOS is single-user, anyway.
08 21:51:00 tommost We could do Haiku, though.
08 21:51:00 chtr ah, i see
08 22:30:00 quark_ http://www.hogrockcafe.com/Redneck Weather Stationjpg.jpg
08 22:32:00 Morasique the fact that that url has spaces in it confuses me
08 22:33:00 chtr s/ /%20/g
08 22:33:00 quark_ yeah, i just copied and pasted it
08 22:33:00 quark_ your browser will fix that
08 22:33:00 Morasique chtr: thank you. i don't feel particularly tempted to click it anyway
08 22:33:00 quark_ Morasique: tahts because you are a pussy
08 22:34:00 Morasique pretty much
08 22:35:00 quark_ what do you do for fun?
08 22:36:00 Morasique mostly sit in my room, alone
08 22:36:00 Morasique in the dark
08 22:36:00 Morasique sometimes i cry
08 22:36:00 quark_ yeah that feels good
08 22:37:00 quark_ its good you try and make jokes
08 22:37:00 quark_ sometimes I think you might lack a sense of humor
08 22:38:00 Morasique andy753421: you blocked all the spammers permanently except the one that you blocked for a year. pity?
08 23:06:00 andy753421 eh, i just have forgot to move change the length on that one
08 23:47:00 Morasique dev-tcltk/expect is amazing, i wish i'd found this ages ago
08 23:47:00 Morasique http://expect.nist.gov/
08 23:48:00 tommost I could swear that I've mentioned that in here before.
08 23:48:00 chtr i came across that this summer but couldn't really think of a use for it
08 23:49:00 tommost I know I've talked to Mishtal about it.
08 23:49:00 chtr granted i didn't think very hard about it
08 23:49:00 tommost There's also pyexpect, Morasique.
08 23:49:00 Morasique chtr: i have the perfect use for it, something i've wanted for ages. i want to be able to hit a hotkey and have a terminal open, already sshed to my desktop with my irc screen session attached
08 23:49:00 Morasique i could never figure out how
08 23:49:00 Morasique tommost: what's the difference?
08 23:49:00 tommost One doesn't involve writing Tcl, I think.
08 23:50:00 Morasique i don't think this is tcl, it seems to be a mini-language they made just for the program
08 23:50:00 tommost Oh, cool.
08 23:50:00 Morasique it's pretty much just spawn some-process, expect "some string from the process", and send "something to send back"
08 23:53:00 Morasique HA! it works. win
08 23:58:00 Morasique except for some reason the attached screen session is really small. that makes me sad
08 23:59:00 Morasique echo hi
08 23:59:00 Morasique oops. ignore that
09 00:00:00 chtr yes hi
09 00:01:00 Morasique i tried running a command while expect was in the middle of doing something and it waited until it was finished running the script before processing what i typed
09 00:09:00 Morasique success
09 02:11:00 Blazeix Can anybody scp things to addiator currently?
09 02:14:00 chtr Blazeix: yep
09 02:15:00 Blazeix curses. thanks.
09 02:15:00 chtr oh wait, actually no
09 02:15:00 chtr scp says 100%, but hasn't exited... and the md5sums are different
09 02:16:00 Blazeix yeah, mine just hangs after accepting a password and never returns
09 02:16:00 andy753421 Blazeix: what shell are you using?
09 02:16:00 Blazeix zsh
09 02:16:00 andy753421 i assume it's execed from .cshrc?
09 02:17:00 Blazeix oh, that's my local machine. I'm using whatever the default is on addiator
09 02:17:00 andy753421 oh, n/m then
09 02:18:00 chtr ok, now it worked for me
09 11:28:00 Morasique finn just assigned an algorithm problem in geometric modeling, he said "i don't care what language you use...as long as it's not something like *perl*"
09 11:28:00 Morasique he is my new hero
09 11:55:00 chtr haha
09 11:56:00 chtr i'd do it in obfucsated C
09 13:06:00 chtr collinjc: hey, i've got a quick 380 question
09 13:06:00 chtr do we need to include those four graphs from part 4.1.2 of the project in the memo?
09 13:08:00 collinjc chtr: I believe so.
09 13:08:00 chtr ok
09 13:08:00 chtr thanks
09 13:17:00 Morasique brilliant. they changed phantom so now it deletes everything in your user folder when you log out
09 13:17:00 Morasique which means i can't live useful things like putty saved on my desktop anymore
09 13:17:00 Morasique it also keeps prompting me for the same things, like if i want to update firefox or make it my default browser
09 13:29:00 Morasique this is clever: http://www.metabrew.com/article/how-we-use-irc-at-lastfm/
09 13:29:00 Morasique i wish my internship had used irc instead of "microsoft office communicator"
09 13:39:00 chtr we used some lotus notes thing, but everyone used gaim for it
09 13:39:00 chtr it was actually kinda cool, since it integrated with ldap, so you could easily find people
09 13:46:00 chtr so some people were talking about schedules in the CS lab... have the ones for spring been posted anywhere?
09 13:47:00 Morasique i think they just went in the mail today
09 13:47:00 Morasique i haven't checked though
09 13:49:00 kleinjt I received a copy the mail today
09 13:49:00 kleinjt missing some words there, I'll let y'all sort it out
09 13:54:00 Morasique what the...mac keyboards don't have an "insert key"
09 13:55:00 Morasique they have the home/end pair, the page up/page down pair, and then there's delete where it should be, and above delete is "fn"
09 13:55:00 Morasique the asymmetry is making my brain hurt
09 13:56:00 Morasique gah! there's a secret pressure point thing on the side of the mouse that makes it go into expose mode, i squeezed the mouse too hard and my windows started moving around
09 19:23:00 chtr how do i get something in /etc/init.d to start on boot in ubuntu?
09 19:33:00 tommost update-rc.d?
09 19:33:00 chtr thanks, but i already gave up
09 20:36:00 minifig904 Anyone in here dealt with magnetic sensors before? I'm looking at hall-effect and magneto resistive...
09 21:04:00 chtr minifig904: i've used hall-effect sensors
09 21:05:00 minifig904 How good are they at ~12"? or 6"?
09 21:05:00 minifig904 I need to sense how far away a magnetic source is, it's an input to a control system.
09 21:06:00 minifig904 I'm thinking use two magnetic sensors, and a digital compass so I can triangulate the distances, and measure orientation.
09 21:07:00 chtr uh, i've used them only at distances <1"
09 21:07:00 chtr i'm guessing hall effects won't be effective for that
09 21:07:00 minifig904 That would explain the comment on the Honeywell page about megneto resistors being good at >1"....
09 21:09:00 minifig904 Should I talk to a physics professor, or an ECE professor?
09 21:11:00 chtr i'd say give an ECE prof a try, though i don't really have one to recommend. really, i doubt most will know off the top of their heads, it's probably better to just read the datasheets for the parts you're considering
09 21:12:00 minifig904 That's what I've been doing.
09 21:13:00 minifig904 +/-2gauss means nothing to me.
09 21:13:00 minifig904 is a freshman...
09 22:36:00 Morasique http://github.com/jrm8005/xorgfs/tree/master
09 22:36:00 Morasique i suspect this guy likes plan9
09 22:37:00 Morasique sadly, the only thing it supports right now is mouse location, but still cool
09 22:39:00 Morasique it is a useful snippet if you want to write your own fuse filesystem though, which is tempting
09 22:40:00 minifig904 tagfs, anyone?
09 22:40:00 Morasique ooo. that looks cool. do you use it?
09 22:40:00 Morasique this is what winfs was supposed to be i think, but they never finished it
09 22:40:00 minifig904 Never got it *quite* trustworthy enough.
09 22:41:00 minifig904 What can I say.... I wrote it...
09 22:42:00 minifig904 And oh yeah, backups would require special tools in my setup.
09 22:45:00 minifig904 The way I did it, each folder WAS a tag, and there was no way to include any type of folder. Mixing tags and folders would require a new kernel/filemanager/something. The real kicker was, though, that each time a file showed up in a tagset, it was a file, not a symlink.
09 22:45:00 minifig904 I didn't understand PyFuse at that time.
09 22:47:00 Morasique ah. it's a good idea though
09 22:47:00 minifig904 Yes.
09 22:47:00 chtr Morasique: cool link.
09 22:48:00 chtr having a file serving the mouse is nowhere near as cool without (you guessed it) per-process namespaces
09 22:49:00 minifig904 I'm pretty sure that the only way to do TagFS is (a) under a pure-linux environment, and (b) store all the files in a single place, (c) using hardlinks in subfolders, and (d) in C/C++.
09 23:06:00 Morasique i remember being convinced those were cool during the plan9 presentation; i've forgotten why now, but i'll trust past-me
10 03:20:00 Morasique i'm watching sneakers. take that lug, i don't need your movie night
10 03:24:00 Morasique i need an editing program that lets me zoom in by typing in coordinates on the keyboard that somehow make a box appear around the target section
10 04:22:00 tommost Before that you need an algorithm that can magically recover detail from an image that was never there to begin with.
10 04:24:00 Morasique tommost: i'll just use mathy stuff. they do it all the time on numb3rs
10 04:52:00 Morasique "public void destroy() - Throws NoSuchMethodError - always"
10 04:52:00 Morasique i love it
10 14:02:00 Blazeix I'm having way too much fun configuring awesome.
10 14:02:00 Blazeix I'm getting the point where my top bar is unreadable due to all of the widgets
10 14:04:00 Morasique Blazeix: i have two top bars because of that. they used to be much worse, but awesome 3 gets exponentially more unstable past a certain number of widgets
10 14:05:00 Blazeix ooh. two top bars.
10 14:05:00 Morasique glad to open up a whole new world of possibilities for you
10 14:06:00 Morasique let me know if you have problems with it crashing when you have a zillion widgets, i'm hoping it's just something in the way i set it up and not an inherent problem in awesome
10 14:06:00 tommost Blazeix: You're using awesome3?
10 14:06:00 Blazeix yeah, as of a couple days ago
10 14:06:00 Morasique Blazeix++
10 14:07:00 Blazeix Morasique came in and said, "Hey, use awesome." So I did
10 14:07:00 Morasique i have that ability
10 14:07:00 tommost Blazeix++
10 14:08:00 Blazeix I tried to switch a few months ago, but that was during the awesome 2 to 3 transition, and I couldn't find much documentation.
10 14:08:00 Morasique he had one window centered in the middle of his screen with like 100px of space around it, it was making me sad
10 14:08:00 Morasique Blazeix: be happy you missed the world of awesome 2 configurations
10 14:09:00 tommost I'm still pretty happy with awesome 2.
10 14:09:00 Morasique tommost: you're not, you just don't know it
10 14:09:00 tommost Well, yes.
10 14:09:00 tommost Does awesome 3 let you write your own layouts?
10 14:09:00 tommost That would make me switch.
10 14:09:00 Morasique laughs at tommost's external script piping input to awesome-client
10 14:09:00 Morasique tommost: sadly no
10 14:09:00 Morasique the only wm i know of that lets you do that is xmonad
10 14:10:00 tommost Hmm... maybe I'll learn Haskell this summer.
10 14:11:00 tommost I was just poking around in d-feet, and I have to say that I'm impressed by Pidgin's d-bus interface.
10 14:14:00 tommost Aside from the way that ever method is unnecessarily prefixed by "Pidgin".
10 14:16:00 Morasique pidgin has a great dbus interface, i have a thing to set me away/back based on my screensaver, and another thing that alerts me when somebody signs on and lets me open a message window to them
10 14:18:00 Morasique oh, and of course the thing that makes the pidgin icon water-ripple when a message comes in, although i replaced that with a pidgin script later. i miss water ripple :'(
10 14:19:00 tommost I just want to set it up so that when I switch from wired to wireless or vice-versa the connections are killed immediately instead of timing out.
10 14:20:00 tommost I'm frankly surprised that Pidgin doesn't do that automatically.
10 14:22:00 Morasique can you put something in /etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.action to watch for interfaces going down? i think that gets called before the interface actually goes down
10 14:22:00 Morasique i think ubuntu does it differently, there might be folders in there instead of an action file
10 14:23:00 Morasique but i think one had 'down' in the name
10 14:23:00 tommost Yeah, I already have scripts in those folders for sshfs mounts.
10 14:42:00 tommost Strangely, I don't see any syntax reference for the crontab file in the man pages.
10 15:15:00 Morasique tommost: it's usually in the file i think
10 15:16:00 tommost There's a single comment: # m h dom mon dow command
10 15:16:00 tommost I just looked up the syntax online.
10 15:17:00 Morasique that is the syntax
10 15:18:00 tommost It doesn't say what valid values are, so not really.
10 15:33:00 chtr you know, for as user friendly as people say ubuntu is, the init scripts suck
10 15:33:00 Morasique rc-update might've been the best part of switching to gentoo
10 15:34:00 chtr i accidentally tried to start something not as root, and it actually tries starting the daemon, then throws a ton of errors
10 15:34:00 chtr gentoo is nice and says: `` * /sbin/runscript.sh: must be root to run init scripts
10 15:34:00 Morasique /sbin/runscript.sh++
10 15:34:00 Morasique i use those functions all the time
10 15:34:00 Morasique i'm actually using them right now in my OS grading script
10 15:40:00 chtr stupid autoconf. apparently not even the binutils developers can write a working configure.ac
10 16:16:00 chtr hm, i wish there was a way to have a per-user hosts file...
10 16:47:00 tommost I'm building a new kernel. I'm proud.
10 16:48:00 chtr that's a good step on the road to sanity (aka, gentoo)
10 17:04:00 tommost This is taking a long time.
10 17:05:00 chtr hm, it shouldn't
10 17:05:00 chtr it takes about 10 minutes max for a fresh compile for me
10 17:08:00 tommost Are you using distcc or something?
10 17:09:00 Morasique it's taken me probably 15 or 20 minutes before, it varies
10 17:10:00 chtr tommost: nope. that was a ballpark, i can actually time it if you want
10 17:11:00 tommost It feels like it's been longer than that already.
10 17:11:00 Morasique well, if you started when you said "I'm building a new kernel. I'm proud.", it has been
10 17:12:00 Morasique it just took me 15 seconds. i probably should've cleaned it first
10 17:15:00 tommost I said that at least a couple of minutes after I started.
10 17:16:00 Morasique perhaps you should switch to gentoo
10 17:25:00 tommost I don't see how the distro should have anything to do with it.
10 17:28:00 Morasique it shouldn't, but the alternative is you fail in some way
10 17:44:00 chtr it just took me real 15m12.664s
10 17:44:00 chtr to compile 2.6.28 from a clean untar
10 17:44:00 chtr using: time make all
10 17:45:00 tommost Hey, it finished.
10 17:46:00 chtr tommost: i think you're doing something wrong...
10 17:46:00 tommost Now it's time for "make modules".
10 17:46:00 Morasique tommost: that takes like ten seconds
10 17:46:00 tommost Not for me, apparently.
10 17:47:00 chtr tommost: did you enable every possible option in the kernel? it should not take you 40 minutes to compile a kernel
10 17:47:00 chtr your laptop is faster than mine, and it took me 15 minutes.
10 17:48:00 tommost Ah, well, I used the Ubuntu config from .27-9 and did make oldconfig. I pretty much went with the defaults.
10 17:49:00 chtr uh, that was probably not wise
10 17:49:00 chtr make menuconfig might be helpful
10 17:49:00 tommost Perhaps. But I wouldn't know what to select.
10 17:49:00 tommost MODPOST 2013 modules
10 17:49:00 chtr it's pretty intuitive
10 17:50:00 chtr MODPOST 6 modules
10 17:50:00 chtr System is 3734 kB
10 18:29:00 tommost Okay, time to reboot.
10 19:30:00 tommost What do you have to install on Fedora to play mp3s?
10 19:33:00 Morasique tommost: where did fedora come from?
10 19:33:00 tommost I have a friend who's running Fedora.
10 19:33:00 Morasique ah
10 19:34:00 Morasique http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/05/31/how-to-play-mp3-files-in-fedora/
10 19:35:00 tommost That's pretty convoluted.
10 19:36:00 Morasique i didn't actually read it, the title sounded promising
10 19:37:00 tommost http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=gstreamer-plugins-mp3
10 19:37:00 tommost That's probably better.
10 19:43:00 chtr emerge -av mplayer?
10 19:44:00 Morasique chtr: very helpful
10 19:44:00 chtr yum install mplayer?
10 19:45:00 tommost She'd like them to be playable in rhythmbox.
10 19:47:00 Morasique yum install rhythmbox?
10 19:48:00 tommost Rhythmbox is already installed, it just needs MP3 playback.
10 19:48:00 tommost I think that it uses Gstreamer.
10 19:48:00 Morasique i'm reading a post atm that disagrees
10 19:49:00 Morasique at least for mp3 files, the gstreamer package seems to not work
10 19:49:00 Morasique so far my main conclusion is that fedora blows
10 19:49:00 Morasique i already held that opinion though
10 19:49:00 Morasique hmm. well, this one says installing gstreamer-plugins-mp3 is the way to fix it
10 19:50:00 Morasique http://www.linuxweblog.com/node/310
10 19:50:00 tommost Yeah, that's what I'm trying to install.
10 21:19:00 Morasique http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7otgc/osx_is_better_than_linux_sorry/c06yeve
11 13:38:00 Morasique does anybody know how to actually connect to an iait-provided mysql database?
11 13:43:00 tommost I was told that they're only accessible from IAIT's web servers, if that helps.
11 13:45:00 Morasique yeah, it used to be that way, now that doesn't even work
11 13:45:00 Morasique "Host 'longbow.rose-hulman.edu' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
11 13:45:00 tommost Hmm... well, tell me if you figure out what's wrong. I'll be moving the Thorn web site to IAIT's servers pretty soon.
11 13:45:00 Morasique that sounds like a terrible plan
11 13:48:00 tommost I got them to install mod_python, so it hopefully won't be as painful as it could be.
11 14:04:00 tommost Glorious. It appears that Grub somehow got installed on the secondary PATA disk in my server, so I can't remove the disk without preventing it from booting.
11 14:06:00 tommost I'll be wiping this server as soon as I move the Thorn, so I'm not sure if it's worth figuring out how to fix Grub.
11 14:07:00 tommost Hey, cool, graphical login finally worked.
11 14:07:00 tommost It's terribly broken, but still.
11 18:07:00 tommost I have a problem:
11 18:07:00 tommost tomwm@jame:/$ sudo grub-install /dev/sdd
11 18:07:00 tommost /dev/sdd does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
11 18:15:00 Morasique tommost: grub-install --recheck /dev/sdd
11 18:16:00 tommost Morasique: Thanks.
11 18:16:00 Morasique if that doesn't work, other people recommend changing the boot order just to install grub
11 18:30:00 tommost Additional diagnostics reveal that the problem is that the motherboard doesn't recognize the presence of one of the hard disks when the other isn't plugged in.
11 18:36:00 tommost Well, for some reason setting the jumper to cable select instead of master fixed that. Now it works. Yay!
11 18:40:00 ZetaSyanthis Yeah, I can't believe how much better sata is for that
11 18:41:00 ZetaSyanthis none of that "Oh crap I just so happen to not have an extra jumper lying around and I'm screwed"
11 18:41:00 ZetaSyanthis though there is that occasional speed jumper on those that you have to remove
11 18:45:00 tommost Yeah.
11 18:45:00 tommost To both points.
11 18:59:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm a bit sad, as I've exhausted the 6 sata ports on my motherboard :/
11 19:00:00 ZetaSyanthis Anyone know a decent solution for about a 10TB RAID 5 NAS? Doesn't matter if it's a server with a raid card or device, really, but I've not really dealt with that grade hardware before
11 19:01:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm obv. concerned about price, but I'm aware that's not going to be cheap by any means
11 19:01:00 chtr ZetaSyanthis: mmm, coraid *drool*
11 19:01:00 chtr until you look at the price, then you have a heart attack.
11 19:01:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
11 19:02:00 ZetaSyanthis 24 TeraBytes Fast SAN Storage Only $12,000
11 19:02:00 ZetaSyanthis haha, yeah
11 19:22:00 dpick has anyone used pytone?
11 19:24:00 chtr i haven't.
11 19:25:00 dpick any suggestions for console based music players i've been looking for a good one (i don't like mpd though)
11 19:26:00 chtr i think some people use moc
11 19:26:00 dpick haha thats what i'm currently using
11 19:26:00 chtr out of curiousity, what don't you like about mpd?
11 19:27:00 dpick i never really got it to work well
11 19:27:00 dpick moc was just much better in terms of usability for me
11 19:29:00 Morasique i think mpd is oriented towards people that want to script usage themselves
11 19:29:00 chtr uh, i don't do that. i just use it.
11 19:30:00 Morasique maybe it's just me. i script everything
11 19:30:00 Morasique i thought you stopped using mpd
11 19:32:00 chtr i use mpd on other computers (the one connected to my headphone amp and the one connected to my stereo), but mplayer on my laptop
11 19:33:00 Morasique ah
11 19:34:00 chtr i'm going to look into using pulseaudio soon though, since it'd be nice to be able to watch a movie on my laptop and listen to the audio through my headphone amp
11 19:34:00 Morasique i don't remember if i ever tried pulseaudio on gentoo
11 19:35:00 Morasique it was a horrible experience on hardy
11 19:59:00 chtr thanks, abiword: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2009-01-12_00:57:52_1920x1200.png
11 20:03:00 Morasique it looks like somebody fucked up on a typewriter
11 20:03:00 Morasique this is why you should use openoffice
11 20:04:00 chtr i don't have the space
11 20:04:00 Morasique maybe if you only had one root partition
11 20:05:00 chtr heresy!
11 20:55:00 chtr so, do the CAPTCHCAs not work on the wiki then?
11 20:56:00 Morasique chtr: ?
11 20:56:00 chtr i tried editing a page anonymously, and exceptions were thrown
11 20:57:00 Morasique the create account page has a random "<fancycaptcha-edit>" on it. that's odd
11 21:33:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m63079ef5
11 21:33:00 Morasique there appears to be some confusion
11 22:19:00 tommost Morasique++ for an argument well made.
11 22:45:00 Morasique pdftk is a wonderful tool
11 22:45:00 Morasique just thought i'd mention that
11 22:47:00 tommost I agree.
11 22:59:00 Blazeix people who use dark gtk themes, how do you guys manage firefox making all the input elements black?
11 22:59:00 Blazeix I thought it was a UserContent.css change, but apparently that's not it
11 22:59:00 tommost I stuck some CSS in userContent.css that forces them all to be white.
11 22:59:00 tommost It's marked !important, so it overrides everything.
11 22:59:00 tommost I really hate Firefox's widget handling.
11 23:00:00 tommost It seems to happen with every other browser too, though.
11 23:00:00 Blazeix This should work, right? Its what I have currently: http://pastebin.com/m112d5e2d
11 23:00:00 Blazeix of course, I'll add textarea, select elements, etc later
11 23:01:00 tommost No, that'll screw with input[type="button"], etc.
11 23:01:00 tommost Just a sec.
11 23:01:00 Blazeix yeah, but everything is still black
11 23:02:00 Blazeix I threw that it in as a quick test.
11 23:02:00 Morasique Blazeix: maybe you should switch to gentoo
11 23:02:00 Blazeix or maybe away from firefox
11 23:02:00 Morasique gasps
11 23:02:00 Blazeix As soon as midori becomes a bit more mature, I'll probably go to it
11 23:02:00 chtr dillo ftw
11 23:02:00 tommost This is mine: http://dpaste.com/107981/
11 23:03:00 Blazeix thanks
11 23:03:00 tommost I'm guessing that the weird "input[type], input:not([type])" stuff is to get around a precedence issue.
11 23:04:00 tommost I really don't remember writing this.
11 23:05:00 Blazeix wouldn't that still affect type="button" ?
11 23:06:00 tommost Yeah.
11 23:07:00 tommost It's equivalent to just plain "input", but higher precedence. I just set the text color, not the background, so that's not an issue.
11 23:09:00 Blazeix oh, right
11 23:58:00 Blazeix huh. The problem I'm having with dark themes must be a gecko bug
11 23:58:00 Blazeix I can set the color attribute, but not the background-color attribute in both firefox and epiphany
12 00:05:00 tommost I suspect that there is some sort of GTK+ bug or limitation that affects using the widgets however browsers do. I notice the same thing in other Gnome-based browsers as well as Midori, which is WebKit based.
12 00:06:00 tommost Opera uses its own widgets (or those of Qt), so it's free of the issue.
12 00:12:00 Blazeix yeah, in midori I can change the background of the type="button" elements, but not type="text"
12 00:15:00 tommost The whole situation pisses me off—browsers simply shouldn't try to apply operating system colors to web pages that don't specifically try to do so, because it breaks all sorts of pages.
12 00:15:00 chtr hm, that was weird.
12 00:16:00 Morasique yes. yes it was
12 00:16:00 chtr oh, it's gone now.
12 00:17:00 Morasique i got rid of it
12 00:17:00 Morasique you're welcome
12 02:03:00 andy753421 do we have a server yet?
12 02:03:00 Morasique no
12 02:03:00 andy753421 why?
12 02:04:00 Morasique we felt bad ordering it while you're gone
12 02:04:00 Morasique ...we're lazy
12 02:04:00 Morasique i blame povilusr, i think he's supposed to be ordering it
12 02:04:00 andy753421 have you heard back form the sga treasurer?
12 02:05:00 Morasique no idea
12 02:06:00 Morasique i e-mailed povilusr
12 02:07:00 andy753421 ok
12 02:17:00 andy753421 anyway, bed time for me, i expect parts when I get back!
12 03:49:00 Morasique i have way too many group projects: http://mrozekma.com/emails.png
12 08:48:00 Morasique apparently povilusr failed at forwarding us an e-mail, so we might be getting one in a minute
12 08:49:00 Morasique ah, there it is
12 08:49:00 Morasique using her credit card sounds best probably
12 08:51:00 povilusr-lapto1 you all just got the e-mail?
12 08:51:00 povilusr-lapto1 about the server?
12 08:52:00 povilusr-lapto1 i will probably tell her to order it using her credit card, but i will say that if we can we would like to slightly modify it?
12 08:52:00 Morasique are there any changes that still need to be made?
12 08:53:00 povilusr-lapto1 the hard drives got cheaper, and the motherboard was out of stock on thursday
12 08:53:00 povilusr-lapto1 so we might want to change/get an os hdd
12 08:54:00 Morasique everything's in stock again, but we are $150 under the budget
12 08:54:00 Morasique i think we decided an os hard drive wasn't helpful
12 08:54:00 Morasique i don't know what else we'd get though
12 08:55:00 Morasique if chtr were here he would say more ram
12 08:56:00 povilusr-lapto1 hdd ar 30$ cheaper
12 08:56:00 povilusr-lapto1 yeah stock is back
12 08:56:00 povilusr-lapto1 i think an os drive would be nice but not nessicary
12 08:56:00 Morasique i guess wait for other people to wake up and decide on something
12 08:56:00 povilusr-lapto1 it should probably be up to andy/autcher
12 08:57:00 Morasique technically it's andy753421, but he's gone for the week and powerless to stop us
12 08:59:00 povilusr-lapto1 yeahhttp://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Talk:Probationary_Budget
12 09:00:00 kleinjt we could get a 10000RPM OS hard drive
12 09:00:00 povilusr-lapto1 yes, we could
12 09:01:00 povilusr-lapto1 but i couldent find one for less than 75
12 09:01:00 povilusr-lapto1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136033
12 09:02:00 povilusr-lapto1 or SCSI http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822116063
12 09:02:00 Morasique that drive is slightly smaller than our old ones
12 09:02:00 povilusr-lapto1 yeah but an os drive needs to be ~20GB
12 09:02:00 Morasique oh, we're on the OS drive again?
12 09:02:00 povilusr-lapto1 really it needs to be 4GB
12 09:02:00 povilusr-lapto1 i am
12 09:03:00 povilusr-lapto1 i like the idea, but it may be just me
12 09:03:00 Morasique i don't understand the point, that's what partitions are for
12 09:04:00 povilusr-lapto1 phisical segrigation of data, no need to raid os drive, differet requirements on speed and size
12 09:05:00 povilusr-lapto1 i just propose it because i think this budget is use it or lose it, and we cannot upbrade the ram withought a huge increase in cose
12 09:05:00 Morasique i have no idea why physical segregation of data is important, raiding it isn't going to matter since it'll be small, and the size is irrelevant since we can partition it however we want. if we can't find anything else i guess get an OS drive, but i don't see a need for it
12 09:05:00 Morasique i have to go study for my test though, so i leave it to you people
12 09:05:00 povilusr-lapto1 yeah its just a proposal
12 09:07:00 kleinjt 4GB sticks of server memory are expensive :/
12 09:10:00 tommost Expensive, but worth it. ;)
12 09:12:00 chtr personally, i'd prefer that the OS partition be raided
12 09:12:00 chtr so i'd say go for the 16GB ram. but that's just me.
12 09:12:00 Zeta_Mobile ooc, what do we need 16GB of ram for?
12 09:13:00 Zeta_Mobile I like more too, but that's a lot...
12 09:13:00 chtr well, we've got the money
12 09:13:00 Zeta_Mobile Good enough reason for me :)
12 09:15:00 kleinjt if my math is right, if we put all the extra money to buying 4gb sticks of ram and reallocated the current ram money to buying 4gb sticks the most we could buy would be 8gb of ram..
12 09:16:00 kleinjt the prices goes from ~10$/gb to ~32$/gb
12 09:16:00 kleinjt s/prices/price/
12 09:16:00 chtr honestly, either way is fine with me
12 09:17:00 kleinjt we could get a quad CPU socket AMD motherboard with 16 ram slots and take advantage of the cheaper ram, then just buy 2 quad cores this year and maybe 2 more next year.
12 09:18:00 tommost Would those be Opterons?
12 09:19:00 kleinjt right.
12 09:19:00 tommost Can we actually afford that?
12 09:20:00 kleinjt are we including shipping?
12 09:20:00 chtr kleinjt: good question.
12 09:21:00 chtr and is the motherboard as good?
12 09:21:00 chtr i'll be back in an hour
12 09:29:00 kleinjt https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=5933449 is a link to a wishlist. it would be a weaker processor, but we'd have 8 open ram slots and 2 open processor slots. including shipping, we could get up to 20gb of ram.
12 09:31:00 kleinjt but, nothing wrong with the xeon. it is faster and we've already approved it. I'm not convined going with opterons is better.
12 09:32:00 tommost I like upgradeability.
12 09:33:00 kleinjt we'd be betting on AMD existing next year and still selling our model of processor
12 09:36:00 kleinjt I'm also assuming it would work with only two processors, I'm not sure if that is the case
12 09:38:00 kleinjt yes, it supports 1, 2, or 4 processors
12 09:40:00 kleinjt an upgrade bringing it to 16 cores and 32GB of ram would cost about $700, assuming prices are constant.
12 10:48:00 povilusr_desktop did everyone get the lug email about the budget?
12 10:48:00 povilusr_desktop the one i forwarded from the sga treasurer
12 10:48:00 chtr yes
12 12:59:00 andy753421 kleinjt, note we cannot see that link
12 13:00:00 andy753421 oh, i guess we just have to sign in, n/m
12 13:00:00 andy753421 also, more ram meeds more VFS cache, which means a faster OS hard drive doesn't matter as much
12 13:01:00 andy753421 with the exceptionof boot time, which shouldn't happen to often
12 18:13:00 Morasique http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/12/dziuba_twitter_hack/
12 18:14:00 chtr yes, truly an awesome read
12 18:20:00 Morasique oh, you definitely posted that hours ago. oops
12 18:21:00 Morasique well, it's much more interesting now that i posted it
12 18:21:00 chtr well, it was also posted in #rhnoise and not here
12 18:21:00 Morasique true
12 18:24:00 chtr has anyone taken ma333?
12 18:25:00 crr awww, cross-posting for the lose
12 21:20:00 tommost Is anyone here in the lab?
12 23:20:00 chtr acme is the only text editor that i know of that gets scrolling right.
12 23:21:00 tommost How so?
12 23:21:00 chtr your ability to scroll down is not limited by the lines in the file
12 23:21:00 chtr (that probably wasn't a clear description)
12 23:22:00 tommost Like, you can scroll down until only one line is visible at the top of the screen, or you can keep scrolling forever?
12 23:22:00 chtr the former
12 23:25:00 Blazeix vim seems to do that if you press page_down.
12 23:25:00 tommost Yeah, it's nice to be able to keep what you're reading up top. It annoys me in irssi when I can't do that.
12 23:27:00 chtr Blazeix: i can't believe i had forgotten about that
13 07:48:00 Morasique http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=78785
13 08:28:00 Morasique chtr: emacs lets you scroll like that too, so i'm not sure what you're talking about
13 08:29:00 Morasique personally i think it's fairly useless, i don't generally want to scroll information off the screen and replace it with blankness
13 09:32:00 andy753421 vim has 21 different ways to scroll :) `:help scroll.txt'
13 09:32:00 Morasique yes, vim is fairly good at navigation :)
13 09:32:00 andy753421 personally, i use ^Y and ^D
13 09:33:00 andy753421 and ^U an ^D
13 09:33:00 chtr i just completely blanked last night, mainly because i was using acme at the time
13 09:33:00 andy753421 (those first two should have been ^Y and ^E)
13 09:34:00 chtr ooh, awesome.
13 09:34:00 chtr i've just always used j, k, ^F, ^B
13 09:35:00 Morasique up, down, left, right
13 09:35:00 Morasique anyone?
13 09:35:00 tommost raises his hand
13 09:35:00 Morasique yay!
13 09:35:00 andy753421 also, :scrolloff=5 is nice
13 09:35:00 andy753421 *:set scrolloff=5
13 09:40:00 andy753421 also, i just got the email from Public Safety and all i have to say is Ah hahahaha
13 09:41:00 andy753421 "Detailed 7-day Forecast: Today - Sunny, with a high near 72. Northeast wind 5 to 7 mph becomming west southwest."
13 09:41:00 Morasique andy753421: die
13 09:58:00 chtr so cold...
13 09:58:00 Morasique indeed
13 12:37:00 Morasique diff -y is great
13 12:38:00 chtr vimdiff is better
13 12:38:00 Morasique lies
13 13:00:00 Morasique anybody here using an svn repo on the cs servers?
13 18:13:00 Blazeix I just installed abiword, I'm really impressed by it.
13 18:13:00 Blazeix It seems to be "put together" really well. OpenOffice has always seemed hackish to me.
13 18:14:00 chtr Blazeix: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2009-01-12_00:57:52_1920x1200.png
13 18:14:00 Blazeix nice
13 18:15:00 Blazeix maybe I'll keep OO.org around a little longer then.
13 18:15:00 chtr yeah, i just installed it yesterday
13 18:16:00 Blazeix what type of file was that?
13 18:16:00 chtr .doc
14 08:26:00 tommost I hate the pathological PDF files that PowerPoint 12 exports.
14 12:57:00 Blazeix yay: http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt
14 12:58:00 Blazeix when we were looking at different toolkits for senior project, qt seemed to be the best, but the "going commercial" license clause killed it.
14 13:05:00 Morasique Blazeix: there's still time to switch
14 13:05:00 Morasique curt, good news! we went with python after all!
14 13:13:00 chtr what language did you end up using?
14 13:13:00 Blazeix java :(
14 13:13:00 Blazeix crr mentioned a while ago that we could have gone with jython
14 13:13:00 Blazeix we used java so we could access some cool java PDF manipulation libraries
14 13:13:00 chtr ah, i see
14 13:15:00 Blazeix huh. this is cool: http://mirror.facebook.com/
14 13:15:00 Blazeix I don't think I've ever seen that before
14 13:16:00 Morasique er. why do they do that? they have so much bandwidth they can't use it all?
14 13:17:00 Blazeix if you follow the kernel.org link they have even more software mirrored.
14 13:48:00 tommost IAIT is awesome in every way.~ http://dpaste.com/109071/
14 13:49:00 tommost Even better, I now see a graph: http://web.rose-hulman.edu/administration/helpdesk/site%20images/Wireless_Users.png
14 14:08:00 minifig904 Does anyone use VeX on this campus.
14 14:08:00 minifig904 *?
14 14:13:00 chtr VeX?
14 14:13:00 minifig904 Obviously not.
14 14:13:00 minifig904 It's a metal-based robotics kit from IFI
14 15:32:00 Morasique tommost: IAIT does excel at quick solutions
14 15:33:00 Morasique speaking of quick solutions, it appears mcleish got around to setting up MSDNAA for this quarter
14 15:54:00 chtr Morasique: yeah, i noticed that email and thought it was a rather odd time for it...
14 16:00:00 tommost I asked them what was going on with the graph and got this reply:
14 16:00:00 tommost Yes, that's correct, but its not accurate due to software upgrades on the devices being monitored. The SNMP variables that were polled in the past are not available in this version of code, that's why the graph was removed from the page.
14 16:00:00 Morasique tommost: that sounds like a lie
14 16:04:00 tommost Really? I thought that it was a reasonable explanation. After all, forgetting to take down the graph after they broke it is something that IAIT would do.
14 16:19:00 kleinjt so is anyone going to bother filing a ticket about all the broken special characters scattered across the rose-hulman webpages?
14 16:20:00 kleinjt we could have a hunt for them one lug meeting then file a ticket for each one at the end
14 16:20:00 Morasique i thought tommmost did several
14 16:20:00 kleinjt prizes for whomever files the most tickets
14 16:21:00 Morasique s/m//
14 16:21:00 kleinjt prizes for whoever files the ost tickets?
14 16:21:00 Morasique it wasn't global
14 16:32:00 tommost I stopped bugging them about it because what they did to fix it one place broke it everywhere else, and that amused me.
14 16:41:00 tommost We're using Word to edit LaTeX on a computer in the CS lab. Apparently amuses Sriram; I have no idea why.
14 16:42:00 chtr why on earth would you do that?
14 16:44:00 tommost He started typing stuff in Word. I added LaTeX markup and we just never switched to a real editor. As a plus, Word does spellchecking.
14 16:44:00 chtr so does vim
14 17:20:00 Morasique everything does spellchecking
14 17:21:00 Morasique some people think window managers shouldn't random freeze and require an X restart. to those people, i say: "correct"
14 17:21:00 Morasique s/random/randomly/
14 18:21:00 chtr some people are also under the impressionthat window managers shouldn't do spellchecking
14 18:27:00 Morasique anybody here use awesome 3.1 with middle click bindings? it seems like it doesn't support it anymore, the example config uses left and right click and middle scrolling, but not middle clicking, and trying to bind something to middle click makes it crash instantly
14 19:15:00 Morasique HA! upgrade to awesome 3.1 complete
14 19:16:00 tommost Has it crashed yet?
14 19:16:00 Morasique no, but i started X 30 seconds ago
14 19:16:00 Blazeix I've been running 3.1, and it hasn't crashed yet
14 19:16:00 Blazeix except for when I make lua syntax errors, I guess
14 19:17:00 Morasique it crashed when i added too many widgets, i removed a couple and it seems to be working, and i fixed the freezing problem, so it should be good now
14 19:17:00 Morasique in theory
14 19:17:00 chtr sounds like some pretty poor software
14 19:17:00 chtr if i wanted stability like that, i'd go back to windows
14 19:17:00 Morasique chtr: how DARE yo...well, yes, kind of
14 19:18:00 Blazeix ooh. Feel the hate beams flowing through fingers
14 19:18:00 tommost Yeah, I'm sticking with awesome 2 for now.
14 19:18:00 Morasique tommost: have fun in your single-color progress bar world
14 19:18:00 Morasique oh, and your no widgets in the titlebars world
14 19:18:00 Blazeix yeah, I have yet to figure out a use for titlebar widgets
14 19:18:00 chtr i can't see how that would even be remotely helpful
14 19:19:00 Blazeix and titlebars, for that matter
14 19:19:00 Morasique i like titlebars
14 19:19:00 Morasique the icon and the close button are both widgets, i like those
14 19:19:00 Morasique not that i ever use the close button
14 19:19:00 Morasique i actually just realized it's missing in 3.1
14 19:20:00 Blazeix Were there wicked widgets in 3.0?
14 19:20:00 Morasique yeah
14 19:20:00 Morasique i tried titlebars on the left once. it was an interesting experience
14 19:20:00 Blazeix huh. That might actually work. I turned off titlebars because it was confusing with the task list bars right above them.
14 19:21:00 Morasique Blazeix: i put my task list on the bottom
14 19:21:00 Blazeix s/list bars/list bar/
14 19:29:00 Morasique http://philosecurity.org/2009/01/12/interview-with-an-adware-author
14 19:30:00 Morasique "You're a process, I'm a different process. I call you and say 'Hey! I have this bit of code. I'd really like it if you'd run this.' You'd say, 'Sure,' because you're a Windows process- you're all hippie-like and free love."
14 19:31:00 Blazeix yeah, I really liked that article
14 19:31:00 Morasique the part where he explains all the stuff they did to protect the adware is really interesting
14 19:32:00 Blazeix That part where he talked about adding malicious code to interrupts is cool.
14 19:33:00 Blazeix It would be neat to see an implementation of that
14 19:33:00 Morasique "In your professional opinion, how can people avoid adware?" "Um, run UNIX."
14 19:34:00 Morasique apparently their adware would run under wine though
14 19:34:00 Blazeix http://www.sans.edu/resources/securitylab/sys_interrupts.php
14 19:37:00 Morasique i'm ignoring #rhnoise since they're rambling about hardware stuff i don't care about. how are you, #rhlug?
14 19:38:00 tommost Morasique: We're okay.
14 19:38:00 kleinjt ignoring #rhlug because people are complaining about #rhnoise
14 19:38:00 tommost Has anyone heard of the mobo brand ASRock?
14 19:39:00 kleinjt I'm using one of their motherboards in my server. It is a budget spinoff of ASUS iirc.
14 19:40:00 kleinjt it runs fine. it has wakeup on lan and will power itself back on after a power outage
14 19:41:00 kleinjt so far I've got an uptime of ~40 days, my last reboot was installing a new operating system
14 19:43:00 tommost How many watts of power to HDDs generally consume?
14 19:43:00 Morasique fuck. awesome 3.1 just crashed. what was that, 45 minutes?
14 19:43:00 chtr ooh, freya's got 99 days of uptime
14 19:44:00 tommost Oh, I'll have to jiggle the plug at the software meeting tonight, then.
14 19:44:00 kleinjt you better not touch tarsonis, I'll drop off IRC :/
14 19:44:00 tommost andy7534211: Are you back yet?
14 19:45:00 Morasique tommost: tab completion exists for a reason
14 19:45:00 tommost Morasique: It doesn't matter, he's using Pidgin.
14 20:39:00 andy753421 tommost: I get back Friday
15 01:12:00 andy753421 how's the server going?
15 01:13:00 andy753421 also, i found out that nvidia apparently sponsores research projects by giving away Tesla cards
15 01:15:00 andy753421 i'm thinking about trying to get one for my senior thesis :)
15 01:15:00 chtr curin -> tesla ;)
15 01:16:00 chtr as far as server, have we definitively decided on what to buy? (as in, use the extra money for ram or what?)
15 01:16:00 chtr povilus asked, and i told him to ask you about that
15 01:17:00 andy753421 i want the OS to be raided, other than that I don't care
15 01:18:00 andy753421 the MB combo that klein found seemed pretty good too, as long as the AMD chips are comporable to the xenons
15 01:18:00 chtr yes, that's what i said when he suggested a drive dedicated to the OS; i'd prefer it to just be on the main array
15 01:18:00 chtr i never did look at that, mainly because it wasn't publicly viewable
15 01:20:00 andy753421 i did like the idea of having 4 processor slots.. but last time I checked the intel CPUs were doing a lot better than the AMDs
15 01:20:00 andy753421 so i'd like to see some benchmarks first
15 01:21:00 jboticsource the i7 are owing anything that amd has
15 01:23:00 andy753421 http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/MySavedWishDetail.aspx.html
15 01:24:00 jboticsource where is our computer listed on our wiki?
15 01:25:00 andy753421 wiki/udget
15 01:26:00 jboticsource thanks
15 01:28:00 chtr apparently that mobo has weird powersupplyrequirements
15 01:29:00 chtr (too much german studying, now i'm running words together like they do)
15 01:32:00 andy753421 the PSU for the original was included with the chassis, i'm checking on it now
15 01:32:00 andy753421 looks like it only has 24/8/4
15 01:34:00 andy753421 well, intel then?
15 01:34:00 andy753421 i can see a 4 processor MB needing strange PSU requirements
15 01:44:00 chtr i'm not sure the ram on the budget page will work with that motherboard: http://www.asus.com/999/html/share/9/txt/4/pdf/DSBF-DE.pdf
15 01:44:00 chtr it looks like every one that's supported is buffered
15 01:45:00 chtr someone might want to look into that
15 01:45:00 chtr (i'll be back in a few minutes)
15 01:54:00 andy753421 hm.. i recall reading about buffered/unbuffered, but I don't remmeber one being required
15 01:59:00 andy753421 it looks like the 4GB chips are buffered/registered so maybe it'd be good to go with those afterall
15 02:00:00 andy753421 a review for the MB mentions that the northbridge heatsink gets hot when using all 8 ram slots as well
15 02:02:00 andy753421 wait, i think registered == unbuffered?
15 02:08:00 chtr no, registered == buffered
15 02:09:00 andy753421 ok
15 02:09:00 chtr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_memory
15 02:17:00 chtr http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7pqzo/feb132009_at_233130_utc_the_unix_time_number/
15 02:20:00 Morasique obviously lug needs to do something
15 02:20:00 chtr you read my mind
15 02:21:00 Morasique tommost_addiator: it's your job to make sure that friday's thorn is dedicated to it
15 02:22:00 chtr that should obviously be the headline
15 02:23:00 chtr i'm sure nothing else noteworthy will happen that week
15 02:31:00 andy753421 this ram is much more expensive :(
15 02:31:00 andy753421 also, we forgot to put shipping in the budget
15 02:32:00 chtr wow, how did we all forget that.
15 02:32:00 chtr that case probably won't be cheap to ship...
15 02:33:00 andy753421 it's like $50 shipping
15 02:33:00 Morasique wow. good thing we have spare money that we can't seem to use up
15 02:34:00 andy753421 yea.. i think we solved that problem :)
15 02:35:00 andy753421 so it's looking like 4/6GB is all the memory we can get and stay under budget with shipping
15 02:37:00 Morasique is this the memory chtr said would be good anyway?
15 02:37:00 andy753421 yea
15 02:37:00 andy753421 i think he was right about that
15 02:37:00 Morasique oh, nm, that was you that said that
15 02:38:00 Morasique i imagine 4/6gb will be sufficient
15 02:38:00 Morasique we'll survive
15 02:39:00 andy753421 i say one 4GB DIMM
15 02:39:00 chtr won't that be more expensive than 2x 2GB?
15 02:41:00 andy753421 it's 47$/2GB and 105$/4GB
15 02:41:00 andy753421 so about a $10 difference
15 02:41:00 chtr also, if i recall, a lot of motherboards/cpus prefer to have sticks in pairs...
15 02:41:00 andy753421 and getting 3 2GB DIMMS would put us over budget
15 02:42:00 andy753421 if we get a 4GB, then we can also ask for more next semester :)
15 02:42:00 andy753421 (next year)
15 02:43:00 chtr and i'm not sure how memory access works on SMP stuff nowadays, but it seems that having one stick per physical socket might be beneficial
15 02:43:00 chtr (and/or necessary)
15 02:43:00 andy753421 if it helps, then sure, otherwise i think getting 4GB dimms would be nice
15 02:44:00 chtr http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=DSBF-DE
15 02:46:00 andy753421 good call
15 02:46:00 andy753421 um.. i don't believe that website
15 02:47:00 chtr i don't either
15 02:47:00 andy753421 some of the things it states conflict with the newegg specs page (e.g. dual-channel support)
15 02:47:00 chtr yep
15 02:48:00 andy753421 is off to asus.com
15 02:49:00 andy753421 actually, someone with a better net connection should do that
15 02:53:00 andy753421 from some random guy: "Hi, matching pairs of memory are not essential but if your motherboard supports "dual channel" memory then ony matching pairs will run in dual channel mode ie faster."
15 02:54:00 chtr ok, it looks like you can use just 1 stick, but i think it's a bad idea
15 02:54:00 chtr http://freya.phire.org/shots/2009-01-15_07:53:55_1920x1200.png
15 02:55:00 chtr that confirms we need FB-DIMMs
15 02:55:00 andy753421 yea
15 02:56:00 andy753421 i still say 1 DIMM
15 02:56:00 chtr i still say 2 DIMMs :P
15 02:56:00 andy753421 hehe, any reasons for that?
15 02:56:00 chtr maybe wait until someone more up to speed about hardware these days is on
15 02:56:00 chtr i haven't followed this stuff for years
15 02:58:00 andy753421 http://tinyurl.com/8q5kkp
15 02:58:00 andy753421 that's 1516.5 includding shipping
15 02:59:00 chtr woo, we saved a dollar on the CPU
15 03:01:00 andy753421 so yea, order that or the 2x2GB version sometime soon :)
15 03:02:00 andy753421 (bed time for me)
15 16:53:00 TBoneULS everyone should come get some awesome chili in the union
15 17:00:00 TBoneULS chili. union. now
15 17:06:00 chtr oo...
15 17:06:00 chtr TBoneULS: how much chili?
15 17:15:00 TBoneULS a good amount
15 17:15:00 TBoneULS its the chili cookoff
15 17:15:00 TBoneULS sams is good
15 17:15:00 TBoneULS and spicy
15 17:15:00 TBoneULS lug hsould come on over
15 17:16:00 TBoneULS its going fast
15 17:29:00 TBoneULS so whats happening in lug?
15 17:38:00 chtr presentation on GWT
15 18:48:00 Morasique ooo. woot is different
15 18:48:00 Morasique this could've happened weeks ago, but i just noticed
15 19:15:00 Morasique interesting. awesome 3.1 works with xcompmgr to do compositing stuff
15 19:15:00 Morasique it's laggy on my machine though
15 19:28:00 andy753421 have we got a server yet?
15 19:28:00 quark__ what are you guys installing on that?
15 19:28:00 Blazeix gentoo
15 19:28:00 quark__ word
15 19:28:00 tommost Well, whatever andy753421 says.
15 19:28:00 andy753421 assuming we get it..
15 19:28:00 tommost We're kinda assuming that it'll be Gentoo.
15 19:29:00 tommost Yeah, povilusr_desktop kinda sucks at coming to meetings.
15 19:29:00 andy753421 what's the status with SGA?
15 19:29:00 Blazeix chtr, did you email povilusr_desktop?
15 19:29:00 Blazeix or contact him in some way
15 19:29:00 tommost povilusr_desktop: How's your senior project going? I see that there is a pointy thing on top of the coily thing.
15 19:29:00 chtr not yet, do we have a cart i can send to him?
15 19:30:00 Blazeix I guess we do if you or andy753421 made the changes
15 19:30:00 andy753421 there's an update on the wiki/udget page
15 19:30:00 andy753421 *Budget
15 19:47:00 chtr http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184
15 19:48:00 chtr ``That's an operating system for your computer similar to Windows that contains Linux.''
15 19:49:00 Morasique "she bought an operating system". noob
15 19:49:00 Morasique "extremely popular with certain circles of computer users because it's free". sigh
15 19:50:00 Morasique "MATC also says it promises to accept any of Schubert's papers or class documents using whatever software she has installed." she should pick a different format every week. it's nice to know that community college accepts all formats but rose-hulman professors require word documents
15 19:51:00 chtr when people ask me what OS i use, i'm going to respond ``Gentoo. It contains Linux.''
15 19:51:00 Morasique also be sure to mention it's "similar to Windows"
15 19:52:00 Morasique the first comment on that article is good: "Some people prefer manual transmissions in their cars, while others prefer automatic transmissions. That is why car companies sell both. If this story was about someone being unable to drive to school because they bought a car with a manual transmission that was unable drive a stick -- you wouldn't have written the article."
15 19:52:00 tommost The people in the Thorn office are wondering why I'm laughing.
15 19:53:00 Morasique i see no reason to have a thorn office, this should all be doable online
15 19:54:00 Blazeix There is a link off of that page to an article about controversy the article caused. Throughout the entire article they refer to "Ubunto"
15 19:55:00 Morasique Blazeix: where?
15 19:56:00 Blazeix "Ubuntu on the brain"
15 19:56:00 Blazeix after the comments
15 19:57:00 Morasique :D they got it right at the beginning, and then switched suddenly
15 20:05:00 Morasique http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
15 20:06:00 chtr that is impressive.
15 20:06:00 chtr perl never fails to amaze
15 20:08:00 chtr wow, that ubuntu story got >1200 comments on slashdot. that's more than i remember for any recent story
15 20:08:00 Morasique people flipped out much more than is probably warranted, the main issue was dell pushing ubuntu on somebody who clearly shouldn't have had it
15 20:08:00 chtr pushing it? i'm pretty sure she was asked what OS
15 20:09:00 Morasique she asked for windows back and was told ubuntu was good for her
15 20:11:00 Morasique this is handy: http://yannramin.com/2009/01/14/ptee-tee-with-shell-expressions-instead-of-files/
15 20:11:00 chtr she obviously had no thought of her own. the school even said it would work for her, and verizon also says no problem
15 20:12:00 chtr you really have to call a news crew to make a few phone calls and find things out for you?
15 20:12:00 chtr she was lazy an incapable of a logical thought
15 20:12:00 chtr s/an/and/
15 20:12:00 chtr the video is priceless, it really says a lot.
15 20:32:00 Morasique ooo. i forgot awesome 3.1 fixed the tiling so it doesn't leave gaps anymore. i started mplayer with a couple terminals opened and realized something looked different
15 20:32:00 Morasique s/opened/open/
15 23:26:00 Morasique hugs luglog
15 23:50:00 Morasique this is useful: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rotate_Clients
16 03:49:00 Morasique hell. i just realized why i can never get irssi to signal awesome when a message comes in: i don't have pc speaker support built into my kernel
16 03:49:00 Morasique i'm not sure how i missed that
16 08:57:00 andy753421 out of couriosity, what does everyone use for sending email when not on the rose campus?
16 08:58:00 andy753421 i.e. I use ssh -L for forward localhost:25 to exchange.rose-hulman.edu:25 though addiator.. but it's annoying to have to edit /etc/hosts and run the ssh command all the time
16 09:18:00 chtr andy753421: hm? i don't need to change anything to send mail from off campus
16 09:19:00 andy753421 interesting.. maybe it was just being blocked at my hotel
16 09:19:00 andy753421 are you using sendmail?
16 09:19:00 andy753421 er, which version of that/smtp?
16 09:20:00 chtr i've used nbsmtp (i'm not using it currently, that's on my todo list for this weekend)
16 09:20:00 andy753421 ok
16 09:22:00 andy753421 can you post your config?
16 09:22:00 andy753421 i get an error `starttls not supported by the server' whenever I try it from off campus
16 09:27:00 chtr i'm not uisng it right this second, but i'm pretty sure what i had was similar to what is on the wiki
16 09:27:00 andy753421 ok
16 12:56:00 Morasique http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/6157c055503e8ba8?pli=1
16 13:50:00 Morasique hmm. i had a recurring monthly event with no end date, i tried to change it to have and end date and now it shows up ~20 times every single day. i'm not sure how i managed that
16 13:50:00 Morasique s/and/an/
16 13:52:00 Morasique ...i tried to fix it and now there's 40 on every day. thunderbird is starting to lag
16 13:53:00 Morasique oh, i see what i did. nevermind, that was my fault
16 13:53:00 Morasique apologizes to thunderbird
16 14:08:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever heard of a compiler that does this: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/ANDYNO.aspx
16 16:12:00 Morasique ooo. system bell
16 16:12:00 Morasique i got xterm to blink when i get a message on irssi, except the system bell also beeps. this seems like a net loss
16 16:13:00 chtr yeah, visual bell sucks.
16 16:14:00 chtr you know what rocks? xpdf -remote coupled with a new plumbing rule
16 16:14:00 Morasique that does sound amazing
16 16:15:00 chtr now i can have comments in my code like: doc2545.pdf:169
16 16:15:00 chtr then all i have to do is right click on them to view that page. win.
16 16:17:00 Morasique i didn't realize quite how often the system bell feels the need to ring until i enabled it
16 16:38:00 Morasique example: firefox beeps when i open a new tab
16 16:40:00 chtr uh...
16 16:40:00 Morasique i'm not quite sure why
16 16:41:00 Morasique i'm trying to figure out what the valid values are for the position attribute on awesome's popups, and the popup library is named "naughty", so now the google search for "awesome naughty position" is in my history
16 16:41:00 Morasique and forever stored on google's servers, i imagine
16 16:46:00 tommost Yeah, awesome is pretty awful that way.
16 16:46:00 chtr and in luglog
16 16:46:00 tommost Also beautiful.
16 16:46:00 tommost It's a revelation.
16 16:47:00 Morasique a wicked relevation
16 16:56:00 Morasique firefox also beeps when i open my history
16 16:56:00 Morasique this is odd
16 16:58:00 Morasique also when i select the address box. firefox--
16 17:00:00 tommost I suspect that this may not actually be firefox's fault. It sounds like it's beeping whenever the focus changes.
16 17:35:00 Morasique anybody ever use an external hard drive dock?
16 18:08:00 quark__ i got a usb powered dildo
16 18:09:00 quark__ it came with a dock
16 18:09:00 Morasique perfect, that's exactly what i was looking into getting
16 18:10:00 quark__ i bet they make them with internal storage too
16 18:10:00 quark__ 2 birds with one stone
16 19:38:00 Morasique this is a wonderful idea: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7plu1/you_cannot_break_encryption_ever/c0715qy
16 19:41:00 chtr i thought it was mentioned in that thread, but SGI already did that
16 19:41:00 chtr their FSN file browser
16 19:41:00 chtr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn
16 19:43:00 Morasique oh, sweet. i remember looking for that once because of the jurassic park thing, i thought i'd heard somewhere it was real
16 19:44:00 chtr i need to try that on my octane one of these days
16 19:45:00 Morasique another one of the comments mentioned this, i'm pretty sure the greatest part of matrix reloaded was trinity hacking into the power station's computer using a real exploit
16 19:45:00 Morasique no ebuilds to satisfy fsv? what is this nonsense
16 19:46:00 chtr seeing nmap up on a theatre screen: priceless
16 19:46:00 Morasique at some point you should watch the beginning of the pilot for The IT Crowd, they're making fun of tech-speak by having one of the main characters explain why forcibly unloading a windows driver is dangerous, and it's 100% right
16 19:46:00 Morasique it's astounding to see
16 19:49:00 Morasique actually, it's at 3:50 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp0-xS-u48k
16 19:49:00 Morasique plus fun spanish subtitles
16 20:58:00 tommost This looks awesome: http://prawn.majesticseacreature.com/
16 21:15:00 Morasique tommost: oh good, *now* you post a good PDF writer, 15 weeks into my senior project
16 21:15:00 tommost Morasique: I though that you needed a reader/writer.
16 21:34:00 Morasique yeah, but we found plenty of those, it was the writer we had issues with
16 21:36:00 Morasique on the other hand, we would've had to use ruby
16 21:38:00 tommost Oh, really? That's exactly the opposite of the problems I'd thought you were having.
16 21:38:00 tommost And how would Ruby be a bad thing?
16 21:39:00 Morasique maybe i'm remembering it wrong, i thought it was the writer that we couldn't find
16 21:39:00 Morasique i don't like ruby's syntax
16 21:50:00 andy753421 back at rose, $ emerge xcruiser, ruby syntax is awesome
16 21:51:00 andy753421 although, their use of it is kind of evil
16 21:51:00 andy753421 as is RoR's
16 21:52:00 Morasique ruby syntax is confusing and ambiguous
16 21:54:00 Morasique xcruiser *owns*
16 21:55:00 andy753421 Morasique: how so?
16 21:55:00 andy753421 i agree that using hashes and parameters to functions that don't include ()'s is evil..
16 21:55:00 andy753421 although, that's the coders fault
16 21:56:00 Morasique calling functions without parentheses confuses me, i don't understand how that syntax isn't ambiguous
16 21:56:00 chtr haskell?
16 21:56:00 Morasique and your presentation didn't help clear it up
16 21:56:00 andy753421 oh, you mean the execution order if you do `func1 func2 func3'?
16 21:57:00 Morasique and there was something else, variables i think, two expressions had exactly the same syntax
16 21:57:00 Morasique i don't remember now, i asked during your presentation and there was mass confusion
16 21:58:00 andy753421 f1 f2 f3 => f1(f2(f3)) and issues a warning `(irb):4: warning: parenthesize argument(s) for future version'
16 21:58:00 andy753421 i've always just used ()'s anyway so it doen't bother me
16 22:24:00 andy753421 so do we have a server yet?
16 22:24:00 andy753421 povilusr_desktop: ?
16 22:31:00 octavious chtr: not often haskell is mentioned here
16 23:04:00 chtr octavious: well, he was bringing up the fact that he saw ruby not using parentheses for function calls, and i recalled that he liked haskell...
16 23:05:00 chtr but yeah, i don't know much haskell, but i played with it some over break and found it really cool
16 23:05:00 andy753421 you can also do ruby like lisp and use (puts "hello", "World") but nobody does that
16 23:06:00 tommost Seriously? That's two syntaxes too many...
16 23:06:00 andy753421 also, Niagara > Larrabee > CUDA
16 23:06:00 andy753421 at least from what I can tell, for what I want to do
16 23:42:00 tommost Well, I can report that setting screen 0 { general { resize_hints = false } } in my .awesomerc removes the gaps between terminals and other windows in awesome 2.3.
17 00:27:00 Morasique tommost: great, i'll just add that to my lua file
17 00:54:00 andy753421 chtr: have you ever used cfs?
17 01:08:00 chtr andy753421: CFS, as in cryptographic file system?
17 01:09:00 andy753421 cfs as in cache file system from plan 9
17 01:09:00 chtr no, i haven't
17 01:10:00 chtr i wonder if it alleviates the problems with 9p being pretty slow...
17 01:11:00 andy753421 maybe.. from the man page: `Cfs is interposed between the kernel and a network connection to a remote file server'
17 01:11:00 andy753421 i'm curious how it interposes itself...
17 01:15:00 chtr yeah, i'm wondering about that as well...
17 01:15:00 chtr specifically the default mount point confuses me... is it only meant to be used for connections to the main fossil?
17 01:16:00 andy753421 the mount point?
17 01:16:00 andy753421 (you mean /?)
17 01:16:00 chtr yeah
17 01:17:00 andy753421 i wouldn't think so..
17 01:17:00 andy753421 but maybe? I'm wondering how it knows about the namespace for the current process
17 01:17:00 andy753421 well, whatever process is trying to request the file
17 01:18:00 andy753421 i tried looking at the source code, but I don't understand 9p and Plan 9 libraries well enough to understand it
17 01:19:00 chtr yeah, i'm taking a look at the source now...
17 01:20:00 chtr ah, i still wish that gcc understood that nice way of associating arrays with enums that plan9's c compiler does
17 01:20:00 andy753421 you mean the `char *mname[]={' variable?
17 01:21:00 chtr yep.
17 01:22:00 chtr i wanted to do something like that when working on the motor controller code today
17 01:22:00 chtr i just stuck with a switch statement though. a lot of the functionality for message types doesn't really warrant having its own function
17 01:22:00 chtr though it would be much cleaner.
17 01:25:00 andy753421 um, gcc does do that?
17 01:26:00 chtr does it? i just always assumed it was a plan9-ism
17 01:27:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/QewDfm79.html
17 01:27:00 Morasique that's cool
17 01:28:00 chtr oh awesome.
17 01:28:00 andy753421 there's a different preferred way to do that with structs..
17 01:29:00 chtr hm, where's the doc for this?
17 01:29:00 andy753421 it's in the gcc manual under gnu extensions i think
17 01:30:00 chtr awesome. thanks for bringing that to my attention. i guess i just never tried it under gcc
17 01:30:00 chtr time to refactor the motor controller code..
17 01:31:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/548rmG28.html that's the way you're supposed to do it for structs
17 01:33:00 andy753421 wow, i need to read though the list of gnu extensions, there's some crazy ones there
17 01:33:00 chtr i remember seeing some on kerneltrap last year that scared me
17 01:34:00 andy753421 .. `Arrays of Variable Length' .. i'm going to have to read that one
17 01:34:00 Morasique presentation: gnu extensions
17 01:34:00 chtr aren't variable length arrays part of c99?
17 01:34:00 andy753421 yea..
17 01:35:00 andy753421 i was thinking dynamically growing, which would be way cooler
17 01:37:00 chtr glares at Morasique with his C++ vectors
17 01:37:00 Morasique yeah, C++ is a dark world of useful data structures
17 01:40:00 andy753421 hm.. has anyone actually found those array/struct things documented in the gcc manual?
17 01:40:00 Morasique i can't even find the gnu extensions list
17 01:40:00 andy753421 http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.2/gcc/index.html#toc_C-Extensions
17 01:40:00 Morasique thanks
17 01:44:00 andy753421 ah, http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.2/gcc/Designated-Inits.html#Designated-Inits
17 01:45:00 andy753421 that's how the `= {[0 ... 5] = 1, ..}' works too
17 02:03:00 Morasique ooo: http://www.informatik.hs-mannheim.de/gcc/Nested-Functions.html#Nested-Functions
17 02:05:00 tommost celebrates
17 02:05:00 tommost You're going to see those in my OS project. I guarantee it.
17 02:08:00 chtr it doesn't have anonymous functions though, does it?
17 02:09:00 Morasique sweet, coalescense operator: http://www.informatik.hs-mannheim.de/gcc/Conditionals.html#Conditionals
17 02:09:00 tommost Awesome.
17 02:09:00 chtr eh, that doesn't seem terribly useful.
17 02:10:00 tommost chtr: Clearly you don't use ternary operators enough.
17 02:10:00 chtr i have mixed feelings on gcc/plan9 extensions to C
17 02:11:00 Morasique chtr: that's hugely useful, every language should have a coalescense operator
17 02:13:00 Morasique jackpot: http://www.informatik.hs-mannheim.de/gcc/Case-Ranges.html#Case-Ranges
17 02:13:00 tommost Score!
17 02:14:00 chtr wow. how did i not know of all of these extensions?
17 02:14:00 chtr i think we should have a presentation on them.
17 02:14:00 Morasique i think tommost is one or two extensions away from switching from python to C
17 02:14:00 Morasique i just said that like ten minutes ago
17 02:14:00 chtr if i could put stress on words, i would have done /should/
17 02:14:00 chtr as in, i concur with you.
17 02:14:00 tommost Morasique: No, the extensions don't make C suck any less for string processing.
17 02:14:00 Morasique tommost: the lack of strings is probably part of it
17 02:15:00 chtr tommost: that's a library, not a language, issue
17 02:15:00 tommost Indeed.
17 02:15:00 tommost Yet, somehow I don't care.
17 02:15:00 tommost A language should include strings.
17 02:15:00 tommost They're kinda central.
17 02:16:00 chtr C provides all you need.
17 02:16:00 chtr character arrays, rune arrays, whatever.
17 02:17:00 Morasique you can have dollar signs in identifiers. tommost: all your identifiers need dollar signs from now on
17 02:17:00 tommost Everything you need... to build it all yourself. Gee, it's Turing complete. Clearly a better scripting language than Python.
17 02:17:00 chtr tommost: library issue....
17 02:17:00 tommost Morasique: I'm familiar with the concept from JavaScript.
17 02:17:00 andy753421 i like being able to put labels in variables and then using `goto some_var'
17 02:17:00 Morasique goto *some_var
17 02:17:00 andy753421 oh, was that it?
17 02:18:00 tommost That's "Labels as values"?
17 02:18:00 Morasique you do void* some_var = &&label_name and then goto *some_var jumps to label_name
17 02:18:00 tommost Did you see the recent Python patch that used that to speed stuff up 20%?
17 12:42:00 Morasique "47 config files in '/etc' need updating". i think that's a new record
17 15:01:00 Morasique interesting. i updated sshd and now there's two "last login" lines everytime i ssh
17 15:01:00 Morasique ah: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=244816
17 15:17:00 Morasique ooo. the updated rar shows a percentage progress as it's extracting
17 15:17:00 Morasique i love updates
17 15:33:00 Morasique ooo. my bandwidth monitor widget has a red progressbar for the first time i think. i thought you'd all want to know that
17 15:33:00 Morasique tommost in particular, since his progress bars can't be red
17 15:39:00 tommost I'm okay with that.
17 15:43:00 Morasique tommost: you're just bottling up your envy
17 17:55:00 Morasique what genius mac engineer came up with having the update manager icon bounce up and down in the dock when updates are available? it makes me miss the xp "you must restart now" dialog
17 17:56:00 tommost That sounds significantly less annoying, actually.
17 17:57:00 Morasique it's incredibly distracting
17 18:03:00 chtr also, the computer in F217 no longer scans after they did whatever it is they did to it
17 18:03:00 chtr that's rather annoying.
17 18:04:00 chtr it will still copy fine, but it doesn't have a pdf print driver installed, so that's worthless for making scans.
17 18:16:00 Morasique chtr: big surprise there
17 18:17:00 chtr as time moves on, those computers become more and more unusable.
17 18:20:00 Morasique i don't know why they keep messing with them, it's like they're intentionally sabotaging them
17 18:21:00 chtr remind me to file a few tickets to the CS helpthing on monday...
17 18:23:00 Morasique there's a CS help thing?
17 18:23:00 chtr yeah, it's an email address
17 18:24:00 Morasique do they actually do anything when you e-mail them?
17 18:24:00 chtr that's up to them, now, isn't it?
17 18:48:00 Morasique i meant in past experience. assuming you have any
17 18:50:00 chtr yeah, they've fixed at least one. i forget what it was though
17 18:53:00 andy7534211 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool -- note the last line of the box at the bottom
17 18:55:00 chtr wow
17 18:55:00 chtr it's been there for at least a week, too
17 19:01:00 chtr i'd edit it, but it's ``semi-protected.''
17 19:22:00 Morasique andy7534211: why were you reading the wikipedia entry for "tool"?
17 19:23:00 andy7534211 i was reading about tool use by animals
17 19:51:00 tommost I just started xcompmgr. My windows are going crazy!
17 19:52:00 Morasique crazy?
17 19:53:00 tommost They disappear until they get some sort of input or focus, then they appear for a second.
17 19:54:00 Morasique interesting
17 19:54:00 Morasique apparently that's awesome 2's reaction, they didn't officially start supporting xcompmgr until 3
17 19:55:00 tommost Ah, okay.
18 03:51:00 Morasique eclipse fails at parsing the javadoc for Integer, it lists the minimum value at -231 instead of -2^31
18 16:19:00 Morasique i've never seen this before: http://mrozekma.com/angel.png
18 16:20:00 Morasique clicking "reactivate" took me to the homepage. awesome
18 17:36:00 povilusr-laptop so implement a "random graph" what is the best collection to do it
18 17:36:00 Morasique what is a "random graph"
18 17:36:00 povilusr-laptop this is a direct question from 230, but i do not know what a tree map or a has map is
18 17:37:00 tommost ...
18 17:37:00 Morasique tommost: has maps are all the rage these days
18 17:37:00 povilusr-laptop a sed of nodes such that, each node is randomly connected to any number of other nodes
18 17:37:00 povilusr-laptop hashmap*
18 17:38:00 Morasique can the paths be circular?
18 17:38:00 povilusr-laptop yes
18 17:38:00 povilusr-laptop so trees will not work
18 17:38:00 povilusr-laptop http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse230/200920/WWW/Programs/RandomGraphs/index.html
18 17:38:00 tommost Well, since the class is done in Java, clearly you should use a class.
18 17:39:00 povilusr-laptop yeah
18 17:39:00 povilusr-laptop i think it should probably be a collection from the collection framework
18 17:39:00 Morasique a linked list with vector of next nodes is the first thing that comes to mind; i don't know if that's "best"
18 17:39:00 povilusr-laptop but he hasent explaned them to us much
18 17:41:00 povilusr-laptop that could work
18 17:44:00 tommost They didn't do that assignment last year, IIRC.'
18 17:44:00 Morasique yeah, i've never seen it before
18 17:44:00 Morasique best thing to see in a homework assignment: "But then something magical occurs"
18 17:45:00 Morasique tell him you refuse to do it because of the mac screenshots
18 17:45:00 tommost Yeah, I don't see the magic. It's not at all surprising if you think about it.
18 17:46:00 Morasique anytime a sentence starts with "given enough" the magic disappears
18 17:51:00 tommost How do I convert a uid to a string in C?
18 18:01:00 chtr /etc/passwd
18 18:01:00 tommost Ouch.
18 18:01:00 chtr there might be a better way, but that's how i'd do it
18 18:02:00 chtr i don't know of any library functions to do that, but i could be forgetting something
18 20:49:00 Blazeix Does anybody know of a good distro to install on a computer with an "AMD-K6 3D" processor?
18 20:50:00 Blazeix Debian and gentoo don't seem to have versions available, and I don't want to invest too much time into setting this up.
18 20:51:00 chtr is it i586?
18 20:51:00 andy753421 use gentoo and set CFLAGS="-march k6-3"
18 20:51:00 andy753421 * -march=k6-3
18 20:52:00 Blazeix chtr: no, I think only K6-2 is 586,
18 20:52:00 chtr well, regardless, x86 gentoo should work fine on it
18 20:52:00 chtr as should debian, actually. what do you mean by ``versions available?''
18 20:53:00 Blazeix I tried i386 debian, and it didn't work
18 20:53:00 andy753421 it should work with i386
18 20:54:00 andy753421 maybe some non processor related problem?
18 20:54:00 Blazeix hmm. I got an error that the cpu had a 'missing instruction'
18 20:54:00 andy753421 odd
18 20:54:00 Blazeix I figured I had downloaded the cd for the wrong architecture
18 20:56:00 chtr that's weird. i've only gotten that by mistakenly using i686 kernels on an i586
18 20:56:00 chtr i can't think of a reason debian's i386 image wouldn't work
18 20:59:00 Blazeix I'll give debian i386 another chance, maybe it got messed up by a bad burn or something
18 20:59:00 chtr that sounds like too specific a message to be just caused by a bad burn
18 21:27:00 chtr so, on the off chance, does anyone here use lego nxt with lejos under linux?
18 21:35:00 tommost andy753421: When you took computer vision how much work was it? (i.e., should I be concerned about pairing it with PLC?)
18 21:51:00 chtr alternatively, does anyone have a usb-bluetooth adapter?
18 21:51:00 tommost I need to find mine for the robot...
19 00:45:00 Morasique java's inability to have abstract static variables/functions is starting to piss me off
19 00:46:00 tommost Starting?
19 00:46:00 tommost How's that senior project going?
19 00:46:00 Morasique well, continuing too
19 00:46:00 Morasique ok
19 00:46:00 Morasique s/too/to/
19 00:47:00 Morasique we're hoping to finish the requirements this week so curt can start using it
19 00:47:00 Morasique and then maybe we'll get around to doing the documentation
19 00:47:00 tommost Did you actually get Java to produce a Mac-like GUI?
19 00:48:00 Morasique macs have a jvm with a mac look and feel, it happened automatically
19 00:49:00 tommost Ah... nice.
19 01:21:00 Blazeix Morasique: I was thinking about the urban terror black floor bug, and I realized that while I haven't updated urban terror, I did just update my nvidia drivers
19 01:21:00 Blazeix I've had the nvidia drivers cause problems similar to this before
19 01:21:00 Morasique Blazeix: i didn't pay attention to what was updating, i may have done that
19 01:22:00 Blazeix Are you running driver version 177.82?
19 01:22:00 Morasique yes
19 01:58:00 Blazeix fixed the urban terror texturing problem. I'm not sure how nvidia is handled under gentoo, but I reinstalled the nvidia and nvidia-utils packages and then rebooted. Everything magically worked.
19 01:59:00 Morasique hmm. ok
19 02:00:00 Blazeix I noticed when I went into 'nvidia-settings' I was getting error messages about an 'API mismatch.' This was a problem between the nvidia and nvidia-utils package
19 08:19:00 povilusr-laptop is there a way to get a picture of all of the people in your class, we have to fill out a survey for teams and there are some super anoying people whom i dont know their names
19 08:19:00 povilusr-laptop and you can only say who you dont want to work with
19 08:21:00 povilusr-laptop Morasique: i know you know this
19 08:25:00 povilusr-laptop is the angel course roster page supposed to do it?
19 09:02:00 tommost povilusr-laptop: Specify your dislikes using compliment notation: { person | person ∊̷ { people I don't like } }
19 09:19:00 tommost Hmm... I got that backwards. Damn this convocation schedule.
19 10:30:00 Morasique povilusr: the angel course roster does it, but each student sets who can see their picture, by default classmates can't
19 11:52:00 chtr i know it's come up in here before, but what do people prefer: texlive or tetex?
19 11:54:00 andy753421 i thought tetex was deprecated in favor of texlive?
19 11:54:00 collinjc I thought the same.
19 11:55:00 chtr yeah, it has been. i've just always used tetex for some reason
19 11:55:00 andy753421 Wikipedia: "As of May 2006 teTeX is no longer actively maintained and its former maintainer Thomas Esser recommended TeX Live as the replacement."
19 11:55:00 chtr mainly because i recall texlive being masked
19 11:55:00 chtr now i see that's no longer the case
19 12:03:00 tommost What exactly does being masked mean in Gentoo?
19 12:04:00 andy753421 what do you use to program pics in linux?
19 12:04:00 andy753421 tommost: it means it's not stable
19 12:04:00 andy753421 since gentoo doesn't have releases, the programs that are still being tested are `masked'
19 12:05:00 tommost Define "stable". Like, Debian testing "stable", or Debian stable "stable"?
19 12:05:00 chtr andy753421: in terms of actually flashing them, i think there's picprog or somesuch. for compilers, there's sdcc (it's not great though)
19 12:05:00 andy753421 alright, my roomate was trying to install MPLAB under wine, which seemed rather strange
19 12:06:00 chtr actually, that's what i did during high school
19 12:07:00 chtr MPLAB is pretty horrific, but microchip's c compiler is miles ahead of sdcc
19 12:07:00 andy753421 alright
19 12:07:00 chtr you should be able to use wine to run their compiler, then use picprog to flash the pic
19 12:14:00 andy753421 hm.. ktechlab looks interesting, but the compiler may still suck
19 12:19:00 chtr ktechlab looks weird
19 12:19:00 andy753421 yea.. it looks all.. Qt
19 12:19:00 chtr it reminds me of the schematic mode of xilinx ise
19 12:20:00 andy753421 i wonder if you can make a sed script to convert Qt source code to GTK+
19 12:20:00 chtr uh, i kinda doubt it
19 12:20:00 chtr isn't Qt written in C++?
19 12:20:00 andy753421 gtkmm?
19 12:21:00 chtr mm
19 12:21:00 chtr apparently Qt isn't standard C++ either...
19 12:22:00 andy753421 yea, you can't actually compile Qt with g++, you have to use some weird thing first
19 13:33:00 andy753421 wow, sga made the constitution page not suck
19 14:13:00 kleinjt when I attempt to start X on my computer I get "X: cannot stat /tmp/.X11-unix (Stale NFS file handle), aborting.". I've got JFS as my filesystem, I'm a bit confused. Do any of y'all have any ideas what might be causing this?
19 14:15:00 quark__ nfs?
19 14:15:00 kleinjt yeah, I'm confused too.
19 14:15:00 quark__ its kind of weird we are talking about this even though you are sitting right across from me
19 14:16:00 kleinjt hi
19 14:16:00 chtr rm /tmp/.X11-unix
19 14:18:00 quark__ yeah doesn't work
19 14:19:00 kleinjt it didn't work. those files were created before the epoch
19 14:19:00 kleinjt they were created by ?
19 14:19:00 kleinjt my read/write/execute permissions are ?????????
19 14:19:00 kleinjt the size is ?
19 14:20:00 Morasique kleinjt: /tmp is mounted somewhere, right? it's acting like it's on a network partition
19 14:20:00 Morasique stat /tmp
19 14:20:00 chtr kleinjt: chmod -R 1777 /tmp ?
19 14:21:00 Morasique if the permissions are ???????? i don't think that's going to fix it
19 14:21:00 kleinjt chmod: cannot access ... Stale NFS file handle
19 14:21:00 andy753421 fsck?
19 14:22:00 kleinjt one moment I'll reboot without a network cable
19 14:23:00 chtr what would that help?
19 14:25:00 kleinjt If I'm crazy and it really is trying to mount /tmp over nfs
19 14:25:00 kleinjt it wasn't
19 14:25:00 kleinjt I'm doing fsck now.
19 14:28:00 kleinjt yeah, fsck didn't like my filesystem
19 14:42:00 quark__ was it that or that it was mounted?
19 14:43:00 kleinjt I ran fsck in read only mode while it was mounted. I'll run it tonight off a flash drive so I can try to fix it.
19 15:28:00 tommost WHY do motherboards still come with floppy cables‽
19 15:39:00 andy753421 ok, we're ordering http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9473331
19 15:40:00 chtr why not 2x 2GB? i thought we decided that would be the best option?
19 15:40:00 andy753421 i think you decided that ;)
19 15:40:00 andy753421 does anyone other than me and auchter have an opinion on that?
19 15:41:00 chtr we talked about it a bit at the meeting. there's a slight performance increase by going to dual channel. and we have 8 slots for ram anyway, so we don't lose much in going to 2x 2GB
19 15:41:00 chtr also, i don't know if that motherboard would support 3 sticks of ram
19 15:41:00 andy753421 oh, i wasn't at the meeting so I didn't know that
19 15:41:00 andy753421 when would we have three?
19 15:42:00 chtr when we upgrade, though i guess we could just buy 2n+1 sticks for the next upgrade
19 15:44:00 tommost Yeah, I thought we agreed on two sticks.
19 15:47:00 tommost Next upgrade can be 2 × 4GB.
19 18:30:00 Morasique holy crap. emacs has a thing that lets you edit folder/filenames from within the directory browser. how have i never discovered this before?
19 18:32:00 andy753421 so does vim ;)
19 18:34:00 chtr vim also lets you open files within a .tar.gz
19 18:35:00 andy753421 i wonder if you can rename files in a .tar.gz ..
19 18:35:00 andy753421 aahh. nope
19 18:35:00 chtr i don't think so, i think it opens ro
19 20:21:00 andy753421 anyone ever used NIS?
19 20:29:00 andy753421 hm.. looks like it sucks
19 20:30:00 chtr did you have some use for it in mind?
19 20:30:00 andy753421 lug server
19 20:30:00 andy753421 i'm looking into different password mechanisms
19 20:31:00 andy753421 and NIS seemed to be the standard way to do it.. but it's apparently terribly insecure
19 20:47:00 tommost http://bitworking.org/news/396/Gnome-JavaScript-and-Gio
19 20:49:00 chtr i wonder if he's aware that a. acme has been ported to unix (he mentions wily for some reason), b. why FUSE/GVFS over 9P?
19 20:49:00 chtr it's entirely possible that i miss the point of GVFS, too
19 20:59:00 tommost That Ars article he linked to has some pretty awesome stuff in it, though.
19 21:08:00 collinjc chtr: Do you have any idea why wavwrite would be generating a file that is 0s in length?
19 21:10:00 chtr did the write actually succeed?
19 21:10:00 collinjc Yes, it did. However, when I play it back, there appears to be no data.
19 21:11:00 chtr how large is the generated file? (as in, is it just your music player complaining about a weird sample rate, or did it not write properly)
19 21:12:00 collinjc 60 bytes.
19 21:12:00 collinjc Opening it in audacity shows a blank waveform.
19 21:12:00 chtr well, that's pretty failuriffic
19 21:13:00 chtr hm, using a tripledisplay it sounds fine?
19 21:14:00 collinjc I haven't tried that, actually. To me tripledisplay is overkill for playing a sound. Up until now, I've been using the LabView play sound vi or whatever. Sadly, however, when you start to append waveforms it fails.
19 21:15:00 chtr hm, try the tripledisplay and see if that works
19 21:15:00 collinjc Nope. Doesn't work there either. Well, at least that narrows my problem down slightly.
19 21:16:00 collinjc Is there anything special you have to do with the for loop?
19 21:17:00 chtr initialize it with a waveform with the same attributes
19 21:18:00 collinjc I've done that. I gave it a waveform with an amplitude and duration of zero as its initial value, then I'm passing the contents of the shift register and the contents of my note arrays into AppendWaveforms.
19 21:20:00 chtr hm, that should be all you need to do.
19 21:20:00 chtr try setting reset to true?
19 21:21:00 collinjc Still no luck.
19 21:21:00 collinjc My sub vi works fine independently.
19 21:25:00 chtr what do the compiler warnings say? ;) (i know that was a horrible joke)
19 21:26:00 chtr hm, i can't really think of anything else to try
19 21:29:00 collinjc Yeah, I can't really either. I may have to ask Dr. Padgett about it tomorrow.
19 21:30:00 chtr you sure some crazy indexing isn't turned on in the for-loop, and that the shift registers are actually shift registers?
19 21:31:00 chtr (also, perhaps the order of the append matters)
19 21:39:00 collinjc I checked the indexing and that is okay, but I haven't tried changing the order.
19 21:42:00 collinjc There must be something obvious I'm missing here.
19 22:07:00 andy753421 does anyone else compulsively align source code?
19 22:08:00 chtr in what manner?
19 22:09:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/9YjZZf98.html
19 22:09:00 andy753421 i got the top two lines of code from my professor, and i automatically aligned to like the bottom two lines..
19 22:10:00 chtr yes, i often do that as well.
19 22:10:00 chtr though i probably wouldn't have aligned the ); at the end...
19 22:15:00 tommost I definitely don't. PEP 08 frowns upon it.
19 22:15:00 chtr yeah, that doesn't sound like a cult at all
19 22:18:00 tommost Plus I'd have to do it manually, which would be annoying. emacs users annoy me because they use their editor to align things. Poorly.
19 22:20:00 tommost (22:19:06) chtr: ``And so it is written, Guido commeth down from the mountain, carrying a multitude of stone tablets. Each tablet contained these arbitrary rules with He, Guido, hath written...''
19 22:21:00 tommost Let's keep the discussion in one place.
19 22:21:00 tommost Sometimes I align dicts, though. Just sometimes.
19 22:21:00 chtr tommost: i think you meant ``which'' instead of ``with'' in that last sentence
19 22:24:00 chtr generally speaking, i follow the style of the file i'm editing if i'm not the one who wrote it
19 22:24:00 chtr if it's something that i'm writing, i do it in the manner which looks best to me
19 22:30:00 tommost Well, we can agree on that.
19 22:30:00 tommost Though I fix emacs' broken indenting.
19 22:31:00 chtr define "broken"
19 22:34:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/111017/
19 22:35:00 chtr oh, so it's emacs that does that. that explains why i saw stuff like that so often this summer...
19 22:37:00 tommost Does it do that with non-JavaScript too? I always assumed that the emacs JavaScript mode was simply written before people started using object literals for keyword arguments, and that's why it does that.
19 22:38:00 chtr i don't know, i just started emacs on addiator and i can't indent.
19 22:46:00 andy753421 that looks sort of lisp-ish
19 22:47:00 andy753421 i blame it on that
19 23:27:00 chtr import -a ullr.phire.org /bin
19 23:27:00 chtr why can't i do that under linux :'(
19 23:30:00 chtr oh, right. no usable per-process namespaces, no union binds, and dynamic linking. i almost forgot.
19 23:32:00 zz is still listening to Rockapella, been hooked ever since they came lol
19 23:34:00 tommost :)
19 23:34:00 zz off to bed before midnight for once :-D
19 23:35:00 andy753421 dynamic linking shouldn't matter
19 23:35:00 andy753421 just bind /lib too
19 23:35:00 andy753421 and hope you have the same processor architecture
19 23:35:00 chtr good point
19 23:35:00 chtr well, that's always an issue, isn't it
19 23:36:00 zz jboticsource: .... I saw your car around campus one day lol
19 23:36:00 zz I noticed it first because of IL colors/layout
19 23:36:00 zz then noticed the vanity plate
19 23:36:00 andy753421 plan 9 should just make libraries and executable the same
19 23:36:00 zz is from IL as well :-D
19 23:36:00 andy753421 and put them both in /bin/
19 23:37:00 chtr what would that accomplish?
19 23:37:00 jboticsource zz: that is to be expected. who are you/
19 23:37:00 jboticsource ?
19 23:37:00 zz jboticsource: frshman
19 23:37:00 andy753421 it'd make more sense than having the separate
19 23:37:00 andy753421 and then define an interface between rc and the libraries
19 23:38:00 jboticsource zz: what is your name irl?
19 23:38:00 andy753421 so instead of calling executables you call a function out of a standard library
19 23:38:00 andy753421 and it just so happens that some of those functions are named things like `ls' and `mk'
19 23:38:00 zz Ryan
19 23:38:00 andy753421 although.. i guess that would screw up shell scripts
19 23:39:00 chtr i guess i still don't really see the point
19 23:40:00 chtr having it the way it is now with stuff in /386/lib and headers in /sys/lib makes sense to me...
19 23:41:00 andy753421 the filesystem layout is fine, i just don't like having a distinction between libraries and executables
19 23:42:00 zz night jboticsource
20 00:53:00 ZetaSyanthis andy753421: http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=540
20 00:55:00 andy753421 fun stuff
20 00:55:00 andy753421 remind me when we get the server hardware and i'll check the numbers on the disks
20 00:58:00 ZetaSyanthis Yeah, I've got 3 affected drives, but haven't seen any issues atm
20 00:58:00 ZetaSyanthis going to wait a few days to see how this settles before updating, I think
20 00:59:00 ZetaSyanthis since I've been fine for ~5 months
20 08:20:00 Morasique editing directories with emacs: infinite win
20 13:23:00 Morasique hard drive docks are awesome
20 13:56:00 chtr hm, cgifs for plan9 looks pretty interesting: http://rafb.net/p/ZGN42c55.html
20 15:57:00 Morasique i like the comparison of obama's robots.txt ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt ) with bush's ( http://www.codeulate.com/misc/old-robots.txt )
20 15:58:00 quark__ lol
20 16:00:00 kleinjt Disallow: /kids/math/elementary/text
20 16:00:00 kleinjt dangerous stuff there
20 16:02:00 kleinjt oh, right. the /text is for the printable version
20 16:02:00 Morasique yeah, most of them are the print versions
20 16:03:00 Morasique robots.txt should allow something like Disallow: */text
20 18:44:00 Morasique anybody ever used the python fuse bindings? i can't get them to work
20 20:03:00 quark__ http://lca2srv30.epfl.ch/sathe/data/emacs_learning_curves.png
20 21:38:00 Morasique this is amazing: http://mauke.ath.cx/stuff/poly.html
20 21:39:00 chtr yeah, i meant to post that in here yesterday. it blew my mind
20 22:01:00 kleinjt ahh, trigraphs. I can't remember why I forgot them
20 22:40:00 tommost Does anyone know of a way to rotate a display in software? I want to place my two widescreen LCDs in portrait mode next to one another.
20 22:40:00 tommost The NVidia driver doesn't seem to offer any relevant options.
20 23:03:00 chtr tommost: xrandr is what i've used
20 23:06:00 tommost Yeah, I found some directions on that and I'm trying it out. Having a live SSH session open is nice for when things break. :)
20 23:08:00 quark__ http://www.tailsteak.com/000433/waldo.jpg
20 23:08:00 quark__ sweet
20 23:09:00 quark__ that one isn't even dirty
20 23:51:00 andy753421 tommost: ssh? why not Ctrl-Alt-F1?
20 23:51:00 tommost Because the physical screen's rotated 90 degrees. ;-)
20 23:52:00 andy753421 ah, that might be a problem :)
20 23:52:00 andy753421 i wonder if you can rotate the console..
21 04:17:00 Morasique i love angel quizzes with checkboxes that say "choose all that apply", and the last option is "none of the above"
21 04:33:00 Morasique interesting. i checked too many answers for the one, so the right checks were a subset of my checks, and i got full credit. apparently on checkbox problems checking all available options is a guaranteed correct answer assuming the professor doesn't hand-check the quiz
21 04:36:00 Morasique yep: http://mrozekma.com/angel.png
21 04:36:00 Morasique you can get around it by setting the point values for wrong answers to negative amounts, but i imagine most professors don't realize that
21 10:26:00 ZetaSyanthisM http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14011
21 10:27:00 povilusr-laptop Segate wins
21 10:27:00 ZetaSyanthisM yeah, I'm just glad I didn't update yet
21 12:04:00 Morasique steve read our senior project presentation feedback to us during our meeting today. to quote one, "good demo, but use a real operating system"
21 12:05:00 Blazeix Morasique: I'm going to email Steve about the presentation grade, and see if we can get any real feedback.
21 12:05:00 Morasique Blazeix: it's nice how you're still filled with hope. have you met steve?
21 12:06:00 Blazeix :(
21 12:06:00 Blazeix I like the email we received this morning, "Item Found"
21 12:06:00 chtr Morasique: see, i told you you should have developed it on plan 9
21 12:07:00 Morasique Blazeix: i think i'm going to e-mail lost and found people from now on telling them if they do it again i'm blacklisting their e-mail address completely
21 12:07:00 Morasique chtr: yes, i suspect that was their point
21 12:07:00 Blazeix chtr: It's cross platform, so as long as plan9 has a JVM you should be o.k.
21 12:07:00 Blazeix oh wait
21 12:08:00 Morasique "If you have lost an electronic piece of equipment". really? it's very possible, let me run down the list of all electronic equipment i have
21 12:08:00 chtr hey, it actually exists: http://9fans.net/archive/1997/10/20
21 12:08:00 chtr oh, 1997. i suspect that link is dead.
21 12:10:00 chtr apparently there were two other jvms ported to plan9, but the response wasn't stellar: ``it's really old and why would anyone want java?''
21 12:11:00 Morasique that's actually exactly the attitude i expected
21 12:12:00 Blazeix Morasique: Do you know what "B. Presentation" means on the midterm grades?
21 12:13:00 Morasique what do you mean?
21 12:13:00 Blazeix What presentation was that?
21 12:13:00 Blazeix Its not the midterm presentation
21 12:14:00 Morasique er. yes it is. the only thing under that category is "midterm presentation", and the category score is the same as that
21 12:15:00 Blazeix oh, I see, I didn't realize that column was a category.
21 12:16:00 Morasique yeah, he does it weird. the bold ones that start with letters are categories
21 13:06:00 Morasique i'm reading an article about avoiding malicious scripts under linux, one of the tips is "# If a command has the letters 'rm' in it, it's probably going to erase something you want.
21 13:06:00 Morasique yes, i check all scripts to make sure they don't remove any files, and delete the ones that do
21 13:27:00 Morasique somehow i made a truecrypt filesystem on the whole drive instead of a partition. i didn't even know that was possible
21 13:46:00 Blazeix chtr: I'm messing around with eclim. It's really cool.
21 13:47:00 chtr Blazeix: yeah, it really takes the pain out of writing java
21 13:47:00 chtr i remember the installation being kinda funky thoug
21 13:50:00 Blazeix Yeah, I had to go modify a few scripts in order to get the vim plugin to work.
21 15:41:00 Morasique wow, this definitely never works: http://www.i-hack.org/computer/internet/how-to-get-anything-for-001-from-paypal.html
21 15:59:00 chtr good read: http://www2.computer.org/portal/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=37a01ed4-4ba5-4be8-a40b-f8634740cdf1&groupId=53319
21 16:06:00 Morasique uuid? wow
21 16:08:00 Morasique "Although C is still widely used, programmers today often prefer languages such as Java and Python that spend memory and time to gain expressiveness and safety, which is almost always a good trade"
21 16:08:00 Morasique glares at miscellaneous people
21 16:09:00 chtr glares at Morasique wondering if he's aware that not every programmable device in use today is >1GHz with gobs of memory available
21 16:12:00 Morasique glares at chtr wondering if he's aware that Morasique doesn't particularly care about those devices
21 16:12:00 chtr glares at Morasique wondering when he'll port the nv drivers to python, since it's obviously a superior choice
21 16:14:00 Morasique why are the examples always drivers and operating systems? people constantly say java/python are terrible and i should be using C for everything, but then the examples are drivers and operating systems. on rare occasion i find myself writing things besides entire operating systems
21 17:29:00 octavious has anyone else noticed extreme latency in getting a response from the DHCP server?
21 17:32:00 chtr it sometimes takes me quite a while to get a lease, but i've always just assumed it's due to RHIT-1X
21 17:35:00 andy753421 it's been like that since freshman year hasn't it?
21 17:43:00 octavious andy753421: yeah, i think so, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one
21 17:43:00 andy753421 yea.. it's always annoyed me
21 17:44:00 andy753421 it's strange because if you're connected though a router then I think it works faster for some reason
21 17:47:00 octavious well apparently dhcpcd's default timeout isnt long enough
22 01:28:00 Morasique i've never seen this before, but it amuses me: http://simple.wikipedia.org/
22 01:30:00 chtr yes, some of the ``translated'' articles can be entertaining
22 09:49:00 povilusr_desktop andy you get that email i sent?
22 09:49:00 povilusr_desktop er forwarded
22 09:49:00 andy753421 yea
22 09:50:00 andy753421 that sounds good i guess
22 09:50:00 povilusr_desktop ?
22 09:50:00 andy753421 i guess you and Dr. Mellor are both supposed to sign the form
22 09:50:00 povilusr_desktop we just dont fill out the account number
22 09:50:00 povilusr_desktop yeah
22 09:50:00 povilusr_desktop i can do that at the meeting tonite
22 09:50:00 andy753421 ok
22 09:51:00 povilusr_desktop or you can put it in my campus mail 1268 and i will have dr mellor sign it
22 09:51:00 povilusr_desktop and we might be able to get it to her sooner, depending on when you get it in my cm box
22 09:53:00 andy753421 ok, that or you could just meet me in the CS lab around 10:40?
22 09:54:00 povilusr_desktop im not on campus untill 11:40
22 09:54:00 andy753421 alright
22 09:54:00 povilusr_desktop youll be there?
22 09:55:00 andy753421 11:45 is fine, i get off class then
22 09:55:00 povilusr_desktop kk
22 10:13:00 Morasique strange: http://pastebin.com/m731863ac
22 10:14:00 chtr heh, that's weird indeed
22 10:23:00 Morasique thunderbird should set the default focus faster. when i open the new message window it takes a second for it to set the focus to the "to" field, so i start typing the address in the body
22 10:23:00 Morasique thunderbird--
22 10:51:00 Morasique haha! i'm up to 32/30 mounts now
22 10:52:00 Morasique i paid attention during boot, it's because i'm on battery power when i'm booting, i haven't plugged in my ac adapter yet
22 10:52:00 Morasique i forgot about that
22 10:53:00 Morasique that's a convenient way to skip the check for a presentation or whatever
22 11:06:00 andy753421 povilusr_desktop: oh, so i have class at 11:45 but i'll stop by the lab before hand if you'll be there
22 15:40:00 Morasique http://www.g-brain.net/tutorials/writing-linux-programs-in-raw-binary.txt
22 15:48:00 Morasique "It's a sequence of numbers, and we actually understand it! Do not try and tell me that that is not fucking awesome."
22 15:56:00 Morasique also entertaining: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html
22 17:01:00 collinjc_server So, pizza today, correct?
22 17:02:00 chtr wait, pizzaa?
22 17:02:00 Morasique there better not be pizza, this is the first meeting i've ever missed
22 17:02:00 Zeta_Mobile pizza?
22 17:03:00 chtr Morasique: why are you missing, i'm doing a presentation
22 17:03:00 Zeta_Mobile what's it on?
22 17:03:00 Morasique i know, and i actually wanted to see it. i have a 375 meeting though, we couldn't move it
22 17:03:00 chtr programming the AVR
22 17:03:00 Zeta_Mobile nice
22 17:03:00 collinjc_server Move it to F225 and have pizza.
22 17:03:00 chtr why are we having pizza?
22 17:04:00 Morasique chtr: that's the dumbest question you've ever asked
22 17:04:00 Zeta_Mobile pizza is delicious.
22 17:04:00 Morasique exactly
22 17:04:00 collinjc_server Hunger plays a huge role in that.
22 17:09:00 Zeta_Mobile so, pizza?
22 17:09:00 collinjc_server I vote yes.
22 17:10:00 Zeta_Mobile collinjc_server: you should organize this
22 17:10:00 povilus pizza?
22 17:10:00 collinjc_server Does this fall under promotional materials?
22 17:11:00 andy753421 i'll be a few minutes late to the meeting
22 17:11:00 collinjc_server Zeta_Mobile: If I am organizing this, it won't be Dominos.
22 17:11:00 Zeta_Mobile Papa John's?
22 17:11:00 collinjc_server Fine by me.
22 17:11:00 povilus we need some linux
22 17:11:00 povilus http://jasontemple.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/p-640-480-0b6f9521-81e0-4eac-a060-64fc2aa26b41.jpeg
22 17:11:00 chtr i don't think we should use the promo budget up just yet...
22 17:12:00 chtr but i'd be in for paying for pizza
22 17:12:00 chtr erm, my share
22 17:12:00 collinjc_server Me too then.
22 17:12:00 povilus specifficaly cs's need lots of linux
22 17:13:00 collinjc_server How many do we have down for pizza?
22 17:13:00 Zeta_Mobile x pizza
22 17:14:00 Blazeix me
22 17:14:00 chtr me
22 17:15:00 Morasique you all suck
22 17:16:00 collinjc_server Morasique: If you are within five minutes and willing to pay a cut, I will hand deliver it to you.
22 17:18:00 collinjc_server Toppings?
22 17:18:00 Morasique collinjc_server: i'm in the apartments. i'll live i suppose
22 17:19:00 Blazeix chtr, toppings?
22 17:19:00 chtr BACON
22 17:21:00 collinjc_server So 1.5 pepperoni and .5 bacon?
22 17:21:00 Blazeix sounds good
22 17:23:00 collinjc_server The total including tip comes to $7.50 each. Is that okay with everyone?
22 17:23:00 chtr fine with me
22 17:24:00 collinjc_server Does anyone know the number? Apparently there is a Rose discount for medium pizzas.
22 17:26:00 chtr oh i'm late, i'm coming over now
22 17:26:00 Blazeix (812) 232-7272
22 17:27:00 collinjc_server Cool. I'll call this in and give an updated total.
22 17:41:00 kleinjt 17:01 < chtr> programming the AVR
22 17:41:00 kleinjt 17:01 < chtr> programming the AVR
22 17:41:00 kleinjt 17:01 < chtr> programming the AVR
22 17:41:00 kleinjt er...
22 17:41:00 kleinjt s/*//
22 18:09:00 Morasique i'm trying to use the php function strtotime, which can "Parse about any English textual datetime description into a Unix timestamp". i passed it "4-22-08" and it failed
22 18:11:00 Morasique i'm lost. 4-12-08 works fine, but 4-13-08 doesn't, nor does the rest of the month after that. 5-01-08 is fine
22 18:14:00 Morasique oh. apparently if you use - it assumes the year is first, if you use / it assumes the month is first
22 18:14:00 Morasique nice of them to document these things
22 18:38:00 jboticsource1 http://www.g-brain.net/tutorials/writing-linux-programs-in-raw-binary.txt
22 18:39:00 kleinjt 15:38 < Morasique> http://www.g-brain.net/tutorials/writing-linux-programs-in-raw-binary.txt
22 18:39:00 jboticsource1 beat yea
22 18:39:00 kleinjt no, you are three hours late
22 18:40:00 jboticsource1 oh....i misread
22 18:40:00 jboticsource1 ok
22 19:56:00 MrBucket101 So I'm not sure if I'm even asking the right question. but basically I have a vBulletin License, and on my personal PC i've configured apache, mysql, & PHP. The forum works and is browseable, but only by localhost/forums. Is there anyway to enable acess from the outside world. I've also applied for a database from IAIT as I would like to host everything on the servers here at rose....
22 19:57:00 MrBucket101 I don't have a router, so i can't use NAT
22 19:57:00 Morasique what's your IP? is it local?
22 19:57:00 Morasique 192.168.*?
22 19:57:00 MrBucket101 no
22 19:57:00 MrBucket101 137.112.x.x
22 19:57:00 Morasique oh, ok, you're at rose. what happens when somebody tries to go to it?
22 19:58:00 MrBucket101 www.Brad-PC.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/forums/
22 19:58:00 Morasique it should work automatically, iait doesn't block it
22 19:58:00 MrBucket101 lemme know
22 19:58:00 Morasique is 137.112.136.184 your ip?
22 19:58:00 andy753421 MrBucket101: you might have apache configured improperly or you might be running a firewall
22 19:58:00 chtr i'm guessing you've got the hostname in apache.conf set to 127.0.0.1
22 19:59:00 Morasique well, i can't even ping him, so i'm thinking firewall
22 19:59:00 MrBucket101 yah morasique thats my hostname
22 19:59:00 Morasique what OS are you on?
22 19:59:00 MrBucket101 Windows 7 Beta x64
22 19:59:00 andy753421 oh god
22 19:59:00 Morasique look for "Windows Firewall" in control panel
22 19:59:00 chtr well, it's normal to not be able to ping windows
22 19:59:00 Morasique chtr: is it?
22 19:59:00 chtr and yes, why would you run such a thing?
22 19:59:00 chtr 14GB base install....
22 20:00:00 andy753421 we need a #rhwug
22 20:00:00 chtr Morasique: i can't ping xp or vista machines...
22 20:00:00 MrBucket101 i turned off windows firewall
22 20:00:00 andy753421 i think by default the firewall or something blocks icmp
22 20:00:00 MrBucket101 all the way
22 20:00:00 Morasique probably they just have windows firewall up by default and it blocks them
22 20:01:00 Morasique hmm. i still can't connect
22 20:01:00 andy753421 MrBucket101: also, you won't be able access it as www.brad-pc...
22 20:01:00 Morasique well, i took the www. off
22 20:01:00 MrBucket101 the reason I think its rose and not me, is for a while. I did have my router setup. and I just forwarded port 80 to my local IP
22 20:01:00 chtr MrBucket101: i think the easiest way to get rid of this virus of yours is to just install ubuntu
22 20:01:00 MrBucket101 chtr. I plan on it. but I'm taking things one step at a time
22 20:01:00 chtr it's definitely not rose, all of us here have servers on port 80
22 20:01:00 Morasique so this apache setup has worked before?
22 20:01:00 MrBucket101 yes. When i was using NAT
22 20:02:00 andy753421 there's go to be something else screwing up the connection other than apache, maybe some other firewall?
22 20:02:00 MrBucket101 but then I couldnt use the rose dhcp server I had to use dyndns
22 20:02:00 chtr MrBucket101: what is the Listen setting set to in httpd.conf?
22 20:03:00 Morasique i agree with andy753421, it seems like there's still a firewall in the way, i can't do anything
22 20:03:00 MrBucket101 try pinging me now. damn firewall turned itself back on
22 20:03:00 andy753421 now it works
22 20:03:00 Morasique yeah, you're good now
22 20:03:00 Morasique the url is http://brad-pc.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/forums/ though, like andy753421 mentioned earlier
22 20:03:00 Morasique you can leave the firewall on, you just have to add an exception for TCP/80
22 20:04:00 andy753421 also, you have a bunch of crap running on ports 4915x
22 20:04:00 MrBucket101 I dislike windows firewall anyways. Only reason it was on in the first place was because this is a fresh install
22 20:04:00 MrBucket101 torrents
22 20:04:00 andy753421 ah, ok
22 20:05:00 MrBucket101 or at least I think so....
22 20:05:00 MrBucket101 can you tell what service is running on the 4915x ports
22 20:06:00 MrBucket101 atm, all I have running on my machine is avant, x-chat, my AMP, and IE
22 20:06:00 Morasique it's probably bittorrent, those are the normal ports
22 20:06:00 MrBucket101 at first I assumed torrents, but uTorrent isnt open....
22 20:06:00 Morasique i don't think windows has a way to tell which program is using which port
22 20:06:00 MrBucket101 not built in
22 20:06:00 Morasique sans says 49152 is a bittorrent port
22 20:07:00 andy753421 also stuff on 2859, 5357, and 10243..
22 20:07:00 MrBucket101 how are you finding this out, btw?
22 20:07:00 andy753421 maybe some crazy windows vista stuff
22 20:07:00 andy753421 i am a god
22 20:07:00 andy753421 (nmap)
22 20:07:00 MrBucket101 ah,
22 20:07:00 Morasique MrBucket101: nmap -sS brad-pc.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu
22 20:08:00 MrBucket101 side question. How are the nvidia drivers for ubuntu?
22 20:08:00 andy753421 good
22 20:08:00 Morasique much better than the ATI ones
22 20:08:00 MrBucket101 o thank god
22 20:08:00 andy753421 you're welcome
22 20:09:00 MrBucket101 I wasn't looking forward to my ubuntu install solely b/c of that...haha
22 20:09:00 andy753421 hehe, blasphemy is fun :)
22 20:09:00 Morasique andy753421: #rhnoise motto
22 20:10:00 andy753421 i should probably start going to #rhnoise, but it's usually too noisy for me..
22 20:10:00 chtr yeah, so you ignore it until you want distraction. it works well.
22 20:11:00 MrBucket101 Do you think roses servers could handle a vBulletin forum? I looked around in addiator and couldn't find anything relating to PHP or mysql. However on tommosts website, he ran the phpinfo script which came back and confirmed PHP http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/phpinfo.php
22 20:11:00 MrBucket101 and by handle I mean support
22 20:11:00 Morasique they have php 5 and mysql, it should be fine
22 20:11:00 andy753421 it depeonds on the server you use
22 20:11:00 chtr addiator isn't the webserver
22 20:12:00 MrBucket101 I'm just getting into this stuff, its a good learning experience. I just put in a request for a mysql database on the IAIT site
22 20:12:00 MrBucket101 Was that unnecessary?
22 20:12:00 Morasique it's necessary unless you want to host it yourself
22 20:13:00 Morasique which isn't a bad plan given their draconian connection policies
22 20:13:00 MrBucket101 I would like to host it on their servers. I'm also assuming that any use of the website will come out of my quota?
22 20:13:00 MrBucket101 Morasique: Go on....
22 20:13:00 Morasique yes, it will
22 20:14:00 Morasique they only let the web server connect, so you have to use phpmyadmin hosted in your web space to edit the database
22 20:15:00 MrBucket101 right now I'm using phpmyadmin to manage my database...
22 20:15:00 Morasique mmk
22 20:15:00 MrBucket101 What I'm curious about though. Is where do I copy over all my setup files, like for the forum etc... will they tell me where
22 20:16:00 Morasique ~/Public/HTML
22 20:16:00 MrBucket101 on AFS correct?
22 20:16:00 Morasique yeah
22 20:16:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/web_pages/getting_started/
22 20:16:00 andy753421 the real web servers still run php4 and mysql 3
22 20:17:00 MrBucket101 I've read that, I tried copying over the files however when I visited the regular address rose-hulman.edu/hollanbm
22 20:17:00 MrBucket101 nothing happened
22 20:17:00 MrBucket101 It didn
22 20:17:00 MrBucket101 seem to like my index.php file
22 20:18:00 Morasique there's nothing in your HTML folder
22 20:19:00 Morasique oh. now there is
22 20:19:00 MrBucket101 not anymore. I removed it after I oculdnt get it to work. which led me to beleive I needed the database
22 20:19:00 MrBucket101 I'm copying it over as we speak
22 20:20:00 MrBucket101 essentially, after my mysql database gets approved all I would need to do would be to upload my local database backup right?
22 20:21:00 Morasique try running "fs sa -dir ~/Public/HTML -acl personalweb read" on addiator
22 20:21:00 andy753421 yea, and reconfigure the site to use the other database
22 20:22:00 MrBucket101 Morasique, what directory should i run it in
22 20:22:00 Morasique doesn't matter
22 20:23:00 Morasique it works now
22 20:23:00 MrBucket101 it executed...
22 20:23:00 Morasique well. for certain definitions of "works"
22 20:23:00 MrBucket101 what do u mean?
22 20:23:00 Morasique it didn't run recursively, i'm not sure how to do that
22 20:24:00 MrBucket101 Im a little confused here. What did i just do?
22 20:24:00 Morasique you set it so the user apache uses can read from your HTML folder
22 20:24:00 Morasique but not the subfolders
22 20:25:00 Morasique i don't think there's an option to apply it to all the subfolders. it might be easier to just erase all the files and recopy them again
22 20:25:00 andy753421 find ~/Public/HTML -type d -exec fs sa -dir "{}" -acl personalweb read \;
22 20:25:00 Morasique oh, good call
22 20:25:00 Morasique you'd think they'd include -r like every other program
22 20:26:00 MrBucket101 thats what I instantly thought of when u said recursive
22 20:26:00 Morasique wow, find is much more useful than i thought
22 20:26:00 MrBucket101 I have no clue what I just did andy but thanks
22 20:26:00 Morasique "database error". that's new
22 20:26:00 MrBucket101 that just means I dont have it set up right
22 20:26:00 Morasique yeah
22 20:27:00 andy753421 zsh is nicer: `for i in ~/Public/HTML/**/; fs sa -dir $i -acl personalweb read'
22 20:27:00 MrBucket101 erm i mean, I have to go reconfig the php files to use the database that IAIT will give me
22 20:27:00 Morasique yeah, that's what i'd normally do, but i figured he probably wasn't using zsh
22 20:27:00 MrBucket101 I connected through winscp and just opened a terminal
22 21:10:00 MrBucket101 does anyone know what a ram init fs error means?
22 21:10:00 MrBucket101 I'm trying to boot a livedisk and I keep getting that error
22 21:11:00 MrBucket101 I googled online, and the only thing I could find said disable the secondary RAID controller in the BIOS...which I dont think I have
22 21:26:00 andy753421 what's the actual error message?
22 22:37:00 tommost Morasique: Thank you thank you thank you. It was the power supply.
22 22:38:00 tommost That should be considerably less of a pain to RMA than the motherboard.
22 22:39:00 tommost Morasique++
22 22:40:00 tommost Antec--
22 23:08:00 tommost Whoo hoo! Now I can return to fighting X to rotate both monitors.
22 23:47:00 andy753421 hey, it's finally my turn to kill addiator with matlab code!
22 23:48:00 chtr any reason why?
22 23:48:00 Morasique it's fun?
22 23:48:00 chtr well, yeah, that's why i'm doing it now too
22 23:48:00 Morasique andy753421: make sure you spawn a couple thousand processes so it'll go fast
22 23:50:00 andy753421 my desktop does not have matlab installed on it, and there's 500MB of images on it
22 23:50:00 andy753421 and it's faster to transfer the images to addiator and run it there than to copy them over wireless to my laptop
22 23:50:00 andy753421 also, i'm walking back to my room and want it to be running as i'm doing so
22 23:55:00 tommost So as far as I can tell, all of the USB ports on my motherboard are dead.
22 23:55:00 tommost I even plugged a breakout into some of the extra headers and those don't work either.
22 23:55:00 tommost I do not have a PS/2 keyboard at Rose.
23 00:13:00 chtr who's presenting next week?
23 00:14:00 Morasique you should re-present with me there
23 00:15:00 chtr i think a different presentation would be appreciated by all
23 00:17:00 chtr my presentation did involve plan9...
23 00:18:00 Morasique gah
23 00:18:00 tommost Morasique should present.
23 00:19:00 chtr hey, i've got power now
23 00:21:00 Morasique tommost: on what, exactly?
23 00:21:00 tommost Something interesting.
23 00:21:00 Morasique i see
23 00:21:00 chtr i'm sure you can think of something linuxy/computery that could be presented on
23 00:22:00 Morasique if i could i would probably present on it
23 00:22:00 chtr maybe the wiki page would be helpful
23 00:22:00 tommost You could do a comparison of Ubuntu and Gentoo.
23 00:22:00 chtr that'd be horrible
23 00:22:00 tommost I think you're the only one here with significant experience with both.
23 00:23:00 chtr Morasique: learn more about FUSE and present on it
23 00:23:00 chtr i know you said you were messing around with it the other day
23 00:23:00 Morasique i also said i couldn't get the most basic of operations to work
23 00:23:00 Morasique i could present on my ability to fail, but i think tommost would be the expert there
23 00:24:00 chtr i think a presentation on whether python is a typed language is in order...
23 00:25:00 tommost Objects have types in Python...
23 00:25:00 Morasique whatever helps you sleep at night
23 00:25:00 tommost It's strongly typed.
23 00:25:00 tommost It's just not statically typed.
23 00:26:00 chtr you do realize that i was joking/referencing #rhnoise, right?
23 00:26:00 tommost Yes.
23 00:27:00 tommost I also realize that Morasique couldn't hear half of what I was saying.
23 00:27:00 tommost For example, he told you I told my group about bytecode.
23 00:27:00 chtr well, with you pounding your fists on the desk...
23 00:27:00 tommost It barely came up. We were actually talking about indentation sensitivity.
23 00:28:00 Morasique nonetheless, i clearly heard you mention bytecode
23 00:33:00 tommost I misspoke, actually. I meant tokens. INDENT and DEDENT, specifically.
23 00:34:00 Morasique i suspect whatever you meant was slightly over their head
23 00:34:00 Morasique see: "how does html fit in again?"
23 00:35:00 Blazeix what were their majors?
23 00:36:00 tommost CS and CS/SE/Math.
23 00:36:00 Blazeix cries
23 00:36:00 Morasique a little piece of me just died. what year?
23 00:37:00 tommost Sophomores.
23 00:37:00 Morasique oh. well, sophomores are idiots
23 13:51:00 Morasique tommost_addiator: why aren't you this awesome: http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/38736
23 14:11:00 Morasique chtr: http://bb.xnull.de/projects/libexception/
23 15:05:00 chtr Morasique: i saw that, doesn't look terribly useful
23 16:11:00 MrBucket101 hey everyone, I finally got my forums moved ovver to my AFS storage. I'm having a problem setting up PHPmyadmin. I've copied over all the files, however when i connect to phpmyadmin it tells me that PHP 5.2+ is required. Should I install PHP 5.2.8 onto my home directory. Or try to use the PHP on addiator
23 16:12:00 andy753421 you can do neither
23 16:12:00 MrBucket101 okay
23 16:12:00 andy753421 use and older version of phpmyadmin
23 16:12:00 MrBucket101 okay, I can do that. addiator uses PHP 5.1.6 right?
23 16:12:00 andy753421 addiator doesn't matter
23 16:13:00 andy753421 addiator doesn't run the web servers, it just has access to the files that the web server uses
23 16:13:00 MrBucket101 ah, i was confused b/c that is where I was uploading my files. What version PHP does the web server use
23 16:14:00 MrBucket101 so i can get the lat version to support it
23 16:14:00 andy753421 probably 5.1? i don't really know
23 16:14:00 andy753421 make a script in the html direcotry containing the lines `<?php phpinfo(); ?>' and then go view it in a web browser
23 16:14:00 MrBucket101 https://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/phpinfo.php
23 16:15:00 MrBucket101 yea its 5.1.6
23 16:16:00 MrBucket101 when I get the corrent version of PHPmyadmin
23 16:16:00 MrBucket101 will I need to edit a script to point to the PHP location?
23 16:16:00 andy753421 no
23 16:17:00 MrBucket101 it will just work basically
23 16:17:00 MrBucket101 after I edit the default set files of course
23 16:19:00 andy753421 it shoul
23 16:19:00 andy753421 *should
23 16:21:00 MrBucket101 thanks
23 16:22:00 MrBucket101 Also, I'm having troubles booting my ubuntu liveCD
23 16:22:00 quark__ make sure your finger is in the usb port?
23 16:22:00 MrBucket101 I get a black screen with BusyBox on it. It then says init ram fs error. and then scrolls quite a few squashfs errors
23 16:23:00 quark__ ewwww
23 16:23:00 quark__ are you sure it was a good burn?
23 16:23:00 MrBucket101 It verified okay with imgburn
23 16:24:00 quark__ hmmm
23 16:24:00 quark__ did you by anychance download the md5 sum from wherever you got the image from?
23 16:24:00 MrBucket101 I got it from the official site
23 16:24:00 quark__ yeah
23 16:25:00 quark__ but
23 16:25:00 MrBucket101 I'll go check the MD5's
23 16:25:00 MrBucket101 gime some time
23 16:25:00 quark__ yeah
23 16:25:00 quark__ check it against the site's
23 16:28:00 MrBucket101 I can't find the MD5, heres the site http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/
23 16:29:00 MrBucket101 this is what I downloaded ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
23 16:29:00 quark__ http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/MD5SUMS
23 16:29:00 quark__ ....
23 16:29:00 quark__ right there
23 16:29:00 MrBucket101 guess i missed it...
23 16:30:00 MrBucket101 its hashing now
23 16:31:00 MrBucket101 they match
23 16:31:00 quark__ well thats not the problem then
23 16:32:00 MrBucket101 I think it may have something to do with my SATA controller
23 16:33:00 MrBucket101 or maybe my RAM
23 16:33:00 quark__ run memtest?
23 16:33:00 quark__ why would it be a problem with your sata controller?
23 16:33:00 MrBucket101 yeah the memorys fine, im overclocking it a lil bit
23 16:33:00 quark__ also
23 16:33:00 quark__ wha year are you?
23 16:33:00 quark__ what*
23 16:33:00 MrBucket101 So
23 16:33:00 quark__ ah
23 16:33:00 MrBucket101 <- Desktop PC
23 16:34:00 quark__ oh
23 16:34:00 quark__ what kind of sata controller do you have?
23 16:34:00 MrBucket101 I was googling around for the init ram fs error
23 16:34:00 quark__ i don't think that would cause thoes errors though
23 16:34:00 MrBucket101 and I came to athread where some guy said he fixed the error by disabled his secondary RAID controller
23 16:34:00 quark__ did you do that?
23 16:34:00 MrBucket101 I dont think I have a "2nd" Raid controller
23 16:35:00 MrBucket101 i looked all through out my bios but all i could find was my Jmicron controller...which i disbaled anyways and still failed
23 16:37:00 quark__ what are the erros exactly?
23 16:37:00 quark__ that would probably be helpful
23 16:37:00 MrBucket101 I don't remember, the exact error type. I wish I could reboot to try again, but I'm truecrypting a drive....
23 16:38:00 quark__ yeah i don't really know
23 16:38:00 quark__ its probably that ubuntu just sucks
23 16:38:00 MrBucket101 gentoo user?
23 16:39:00 tommost He is.
23 16:39:00 MrBucket101 figures
23 16:39:00 quark__ well
23 16:39:00 quark__ that is what i'm currently running
23 16:39:00 quark__ i also really like slackware
23 16:39:00 quark__ i'm really just a non-ubuntu user
23 16:39:00 MrBucket101 i've always wanted to try gentoo
23 16:39:00 quark__ gentoo is really the only other choice
23 16:39:00 quark__ so why not do it?
23 16:39:00 quark__ pussy?
23 16:40:00 MrBucket101 lol I have a very bad habit of breaking things that I've not familar with...I had to reinstall ubuntu like 4 different times the first day i tried it out...
23 16:40:00 MrBucket101 of course now i know I could of just repaired the probs other ways
23 16:40:00 quark__ if you don't know that much you will learn a lot more with gentoo
23 16:41:00 quark__ or anything that doesn't spoon feed you
23 16:41:00 MrBucket101 spoon feeding is nice :)
23 16:41:00 chtr http://funroll-loops.info/
23 16:41:00 quark__ if you are a baby
23 16:42:00 quark__ i prefer feeing myself
23 16:42:00 MrBucket101 haha thats funny
23 16:42:00 quark__ the probelm is when you are spoon fed you don't really get to decide what you eat
23 16:42:00 quark__ yeah
23 16:42:00 quark__ gentoo is for ricers
23 16:42:00 quark__ but ubuntu is wayyy worse
23 16:43:00 MrBucket101 wait ricers are bad
23 16:43:00 MrBucket101 tuners FTW!
23 16:43:00 quark__ yeah...
23 16:43:00 quark__ people usually make fun of them
23 16:43:00 quark__ i do...
23 16:43:00 MrBucket101 me 2
23 16:44:00 MrBucket101 like the kid on campus whose got a galant or w/e with vinyls
23 16:44:00 quark__ ....
23 16:44:00 quark__ thats what I drive
23 16:44:00 quark__ wtf
23 16:44:00 MrBucket101 good 1
23 16:44:00 MrBucket101 it's a Frosh car
23 16:45:00 MrBucket101 parks at speed
23 16:45:00 quark__ any of you people soccer fans
23 16:45:00 MrBucket101 depends
23 16:45:00 MrBucket101 MLS no
23 16:45:00 quark__ like european soccer
23 16:45:00 MrBucket101 oh haha yea
23 16:45:00 quark__ real soccer
23 16:45:00 MrBucket101 I dont keep up w/ it though
23 16:45:00 quark__ oh
23 16:45:00 quark__ well then nevermind
23 16:45:00 MrBucket101 is there a game on
23 16:45:00 quark__ no there was
23 16:45:00 quark__ arsenal at hull city
23 16:46:00 quark__ arsenal isn't doing as well as they should be this season
23 16:46:00 MrBucket101 lemme guess, espn @ 2:30
23 16:46:00 quark__ nah
23 16:46:00 quark__ this was on fsn
23 16:46:00 MrBucket101 I don't get FSN i dont think
23 16:46:00 quark__ its usually ufea that comes on espn2
23 16:46:00 quark__ this was a premier league game
23 16:47:00 quark__ i am a chelsea cfan
23 16:47:00 quark__ fan*
23 16:47:00 MrBucket101 I like arsenal
23 16:47:00 quark__ haha
23 16:48:00 quark__ so does my friend
23 16:48:00 quark__ he likes walcott
23 16:48:00 MrBucket101 I'm not die hard though, so I don't care if u say they suck atm
23 16:48:00 quark__ they aren't doing that bad
23 16:48:00 quark__ they jsut aren't doing as well as they should be
23 17:37:00 MrBucket101 (sigh) i need more help with PHPmyadmin
23 17:38:00 MrBucket101 I've got it up and running, but it will not let me import my backed up database
23 17:39:00 MrBucket101 it says missing parameters, I've looking in the FAQ and the only suggestion is to leave the $cfg['PmaAbsoluteUri'] blank which I've done
23 22:57:00 andy753421 that's strange
23 22:57:00 andy753421 when I open angel with the browser at a wide resolution and then resize it to narrower and it shows a big scroll bar at the bottom of the frame, but then it's gone when I refresh the page
23 23:55:00 Morasique wow. i'm trying to get pulseaudio working, and i got desperate enough to try an ubuntu forums post: http://mrozekma.com/forums.png
24 00:02:00 chtr hah
24 00:03:00 Morasique from now on i'm going to regularly scream "that's a very idiot way of being!"
24 00:10:00 Morasique i just saw "Web 4.0" on a blog post. i'm scared
24 00:11:00 chtr oh, didn't you hear? we're going in powers of two now
24 02:56:00 andy753421 has anyone else noticed matlab on addiator taking way to long to start up?
24 02:57:00 chtr andy753421: starts instantly for me
24 02:58:00 andy753421 hm.. ok
24 02:59:00 andy753421 `which matlab`?
24 03:01:00 andy753421 apparently afs wasn't working properly so it was hanging when trying to access my home directory
24 03:01:00 chtr ah, that'd explain it
24 06:07:00 Morasique keyjnote is really nice for beamer presentations
24 06:07:00 Morasique i like this switch: "-f, --fullscreen do NOT start in fullscreen mode"
24 06:14:00 Morasique this highlighting thing is really cool, you can have it fade out a slide and then you draw boxes around stuff you want to fade in
24 06:15:00 Morasique :D you can have a spotlight that follows the mouse. this owns
24 06:16:00 Morasique ooo, there's a really nice overview mode too so you can jump to any slide
24 06:24:00 Morasique nice. for rehearsal you can tell it how long the presentation is supposed to be and it shows a bar at the bottom to keep track
24 06:25:00 Morasique you can define sound/video to be played on certain slides. that would've been helpful for AI
24 06:29:00 Morasique i should consider sleeping
24 13:26:00 tommost http://ejohn.org/blog/ocr-and-neural-nets-in-javascript/
24 13:57:00 Morasique http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.58.3509
24 16:01:00 andy753421 Stay away from the light!
24 16:01:00 andy753421 whew, that was close, i thought luglog was going to die
24 16:34:00 chtr the network connection on campus sucks today
24 16:34:00 Morasique it was bad yesterday too
24 16:34:00 tommost In other news, the sky is blue.
24 16:35:00 chtr looks light-blue to me
24 16:35:00 Morasique bad compared to usual
24 16:35:00 chtr i had a cool idea a while back while i was driving
24 16:36:00 chtr get a color sensor and aim it at the sky (or a webcam and get the average color over the image)
24 16:36:00 Morasique ...why?
24 16:36:00 chtr patch dwm/wmii/whatever to set the titlebar colors based on bytes written to a fifo or something
24 16:37:00 Morasique ah
24 16:37:00 chtr then pull that color and send it to wmii for title bars, and set it as your background color
24 16:37:00 chtr i think it'd be neat.
24 16:49:00 Morasique what's with luglog?
24 16:50:00 andy753421 luglog is in skinner
24 16:50:00 Morasique ah
24 16:50:00 Morasique we should get a lug server!
24 16:51:00 andy753421 more importantly, we should find somewhere other than my kitchen to store it :)
24 16:51:00 chtr andy753421: have you talked to mcleish about getting a public ip in the cs lab?
24 16:52:00 andy753421 i've been meaning to but i haven't yet
24 16:52:00 andy753421 actually I did a while back, but nothing became of it
24 16:52:00 andy753421 i think it's something that is up to the department and not just mcleish so we'll have to talk to Cary about it
24 16:52:00 chtr ah, ok
24 16:53:00 chtr jp came to a meeting when you were gone and said that he doesn't think it will be a problem
24 16:53:00 andy753421 yea, mcleish said that he doesn't know why it's like it is now in the first place
24 16:54:00 Morasique did we ever actually order the server?
24 16:54:00 andy753421 the sga treasurer was supposed to
24 16:56:00 andy753421 `I will make the purchase later tonight,' that was last monday
24 16:56:00 andy753421 whether or not it happened, i do not know
24 17:45:00 Morasique wow. linus switched from kde to gnome. he used to say gnome users were complete idiots and the project should just die
24 17:46:00 andy753421 link?
24 17:46:00 Morasique http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Software&articleId=9126619&taxonomyId=18&pageNumber=5
24 17:56:00 chtr now to get him to switch to wmii...
24 18:40:00 crr both are kind of "hold-your-hand" WMs; they're good for Linux newbies but everyone moves on to something more effective
24 19:17:00 andy753421 .. now if sshfs will reconnect so i don't have to umount -l that filesystem ..
24 19:22:00 tommost Indeed...
24 22:19:00 tommost Would anyone here be willing to lend/sell me a PLC book?
24 22:20:00 chtr don't they use SICP?
24 22:20:00 andy753421 i never got one
24 22:21:00 tommost Yes, I believe so. 2nd ed.
24 22:21:00 tommost They've just released the 3rd edition, but the class is being taught with the 2nd ed. book.
24 22:22:00 chtr why not just use http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html
24 22:23:00 tommost Ah, actually it's Essentials of Programming Languages.
24 22:23:00 tommost http://www.amazon.com/Essentials-Programming-Languages-Daniel-Friedman/dp/0262062178/
24 22:27:00 chtr tommost: my flatmate will sell his for $30
24 22:27:00 tommost Sounds good.
24 22:28:00 chtr i can bring it to robotic tomorrow if you bring money
24 22:28:00 tommost Sure.
25 00:28:00 andy753421 reading about the Downadup worm...
25 00:28:00 Morasique "primarily distributed through infected usb drives"? i would think that would rather limit the infection, how often do people pass around usb drives?
25 00:28:00 andy753421 how excactly do worms and such connect to a server in order to get instruction on what to do?
25 00:28:00 andy753421 it seems like it would be really easy to just find out what server it connects to and then block it
25 00:28:00 andy753421 well.. it apparently appeared in October
25 00:28:00 Morasique oh. and they still haven't added it to antivirus or something?
25 00:28:00 andy753421 didn't the early viruses pass around on floppy drives
25 00:28:00 Morasique oh, "Try your standard antivirus utility as a fix". apparently people are just dumb
25 00:28:00 Morasique andy753421: yeah, but that was when passing around floppy disks was all there was. if i need to give somebody i file now i send it to them, i don't put it on a flash drive and physically hand it to them
25 00:28:00 andy753421 i've had to use usb's a few times
25 00:28:00 chtr Morasique: i think some profs still do that...
25 00:28:00 Morasique i have heard that
25 00:28:00 andy753421 I think its more common in semi-technical fields too
25 00:29:00 chtr yeah, my dad had mentioned that he uses usb drives all the time
25 00:29:00 andy753421 i was at a meteorology conference a week and he pirmary method of distributing slides was via usb keys
25 00:29:00 andy753421 *week ago
25 00:29:00 andy753421 *and then
25 00:29:00 andy753421 *and the
25 00:29:00 andy753421 wow I can't type tonight
25 00:29:00 Morasique noted
25 00:31:00 chtr wasn't there an article a while back about people infecting computers in banks (non-networked computers) by just leaving virus laden usb drives around?
25 00:31:00 Morasique i read that in a book once
25 00:38:00 tommost How do I find out what X displays are currently running?
25 00:38:00 tommost (From a terminal.)
25 00:38:00 andy753421 ps -Af | grep 'X :'
25 00:38:00 Morasique there's probably an easier way, but you can check ~/.Xauthority
25 00:39:00 andy753421 wait, do you actually want X /displays/?
25 00:39:00 Morasique i think he probably meant what you said
25 00:39:00 tommost Er, servers.
25 00:43:00 tommost Thanks.
25 01:50:00 chtr heh, the ``linus uses gnome now'' thing made it to slashdot
25 01:50:00 chtr that brought up another point in my mind, what distro does he use?
25 01:54:00 Morasique i don't know, actually, i can't believe i never looked that up
25 01:57:00 Morasique it looks like suse
25 01:57:00 chtr i wouldn't have guessed that. jp uses suse, doesn't he?
25 01:58:00 Morasique yeah
25 01:58:00 Morasique i know nothing about it besides that
25 02:34:00 Morasique <Zaszamonde> As far as I can tell, linux is more "Ooo a floating cube"
25 10:03:00 kleinjt wt
25 10:03:00 kleinjt er.. wrong window, that was intended for a terminal
25 11:40:00 chtr rose's connection still failing?
25 13:19:00 chtr http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/internet_connections/network_statistics/
25 13:19:00 chtr impressive graph...
25 13:43:00 tommost The md5 sum on that graph hasn't changed in at least 10 hours.
25 13:45:00 chtr the inbound usage graph looks up to date
25 13:57:00 tommost Nope.
25 15:18:00 Morasique according to twitter, everyone on campus is having network problems but me
25 15:18:00 Morasique i'm strangely ok with that
25 17:35:00 jboticsource http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expect
25 17:37:00 tommost Yes, expect is cool.
25 18:00:00 andy753421 how do you print out lines of a file that match a patter, but only between certain lines in sed?
25 18:00:00 andy753421 e.g. sed -n '1,10/pattern/p' doesn't work
25 18:12:00 Morasique isn't that the third time expect has come up in here?
25 18:12:00 crr you could always replace what you're looking for with that exact same text
25 18:14:00 andy753421 Morasique: maybe? I don't remember the other times
25 18:15:00 andy753421 you could start a LUG FAQ
25 18:15:00 Morasique well, i brought it up a few months ago, and i think at the time tommost said he'd already mentioned it
25 20:06:00 Morasique odd: http://pastebin.com/m59fc9d7d
25 20:06:00 Morasique i'm not sure why awesome needs unicode to output what version is installed
25 20:10:00 tommost Why is it the replacement character? Is that what it displayed as?
25 20:12:00 Morasique i just see squares
25 20:12:00 tommost You should see a question mark in a diamond.
25 20:12:00 Morasique in my terminal?
25 20:13:00 Morasique i saw that in firefox when i was pasting into the textarea, my terminal shows squares
25 20:13:00 tommost I guess that's okay. It may be font dependent.
25 20:13:00 tommost What terminal do you use?
25 20:15:00 Morasique oh yeah, it is the font, monospace shows the question marks
25 20:15:00 Morasique roxterm
25 20:15:00 tommost What's that?
25 20:15:00 Morasique um. a terminal?
25 20:16:00 Morasique it's like gnome-terminal
25 20:16:00 tommost I meant, why do you use that particular one?
25 20:16:00 tommost Out of curiosity.
25 20:16:00 Morasique because i was used to gnome-terminal from ubuntu and it's essentially the same
25 20:26:00 Zeta_Mobile So, anyone had to do the sliding block thing in 230?
25 20:27:00 Zeta_Mobile Kinda looking for a way to start
25 20:27:00 Zeta_Mobile We're wondering what a decent way of storing the blocks/freespace is in particular.
25 20:28:00 tommost You should do what one of the teams when I TA'd did: use two booleans for each square. ;)
25 20:29:00 tommost They were "very compact".
25 20:29:00 chtr my way was elegant in terms of code, but slow
25 20:29:00 chtr (also very memory intensive...)
25 20:29:00 Zeta_Mobile I'm a little confused by what you mean by that, tommost
25 20:29:00 povilus were trying to figure out whether a matrix or linked list representation of the actual board is best
25 20:30:00 chtr i used BigIntegers, hehe
25 20:30:00 tommost Eh, I was just joking. It struck me as funny, since they were working so hard to conserve space (memory is your major constraint), yet had two bools when a bitmask would have been half the size.
25 20:30:00 Zeta_Mobile haha, I see what you mean
25 20:30:00 povilus im not sure memory is a problem
25 20:30:00 Zeta_Mobile chtr: for the love of god, why?
25 20:31:00 Zeta_Mobile doubles can hold 10^308
25 20:31:00 povilus they are limiting us on number of cycles and a ranbow table can be stored to disk in one cycle
25 20:31:00 povilus i think
25 20:31:00 tommost "Cycles"?
25 20:32:00 povilus i really want to ranbow table it and store each 100 meg of the ranbow table to a seperate file
25 20:32:00 povilus thats what the ta's said
25 20:32:00 chtr Zeta_Mobile: doubles are only 64-bits
25 20:32:00 Zeta_Mobile povilus: You're crazy.
25 20:32:00 povilus that it wasent real time but cycle time
25 20:32:00 Zeta_Mobile chtr: Yeah, I know
25 20:32:00 chtr i needed significantly more
25 20:32:00 tommost In Anderson's class there was both a memory limit and a hard time limit...
25 20:32:00 Zeta_Mobile but they hold absurdly large values
25 20:33:00 tommost Zeta_Mobile: He was using them as bit fields.
25 20:33:00 chtr i had some >200-bit BigIntegers
25 20:33:00 povilus the ta;s said memory and cycle time
25 20:33:00 Zeta_Mobile jesus
25 20:33:00 povilus on addiator
25 20:34:00 tommost Yeah, I think that parallelizing is a good idea. If you can come up with a good way to do it you could do a lot with addiator's 8 cores.
25 20:34:00 chtr i think my solution was using 6 threads (it's absurdly easy to multi-thread the problem), but i ran into some deadlocking problems
25 20:35:00 Zeta_Mobile The main thing we're working on is the table storage solution for generating moves
25 20:35:00 Zeta_Mobile We've got several ideas on the hash
25 20:45:00 tommost I've finally been pushed over the edge: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/41223
25 21:05:00 Zeta_Mobile anyways, no one actually said anything about storing the table
25 21:06:00 Zeta_Mobile Any thoughts on that? Matrix seems to be nice for hashing, but a bitch for move generation
25 21:06:00 Zeta_Mobile I can't say I have a clue how you'd use lists to do the movements though
25 22:00:00 chtr would anybody happen to have a pcmcia or usb bluetooth adapter?
25 22:04:00 Morasique tommost: good thing. now the site won't be ugly during the ten seconds you're on it pasting text into a single box
25 22:05:00 tommost Pasting into it? No, I'd never paste into such an ugly site. You're the one that's inflicting it on me.
25 22:06:00 Morasique tommost: good thing. now the site won't be ugly during the ten seconds you're on it reading text in a single box
25 22:06:00 tommost Indeed. tommost++
25 22:06:00 Morasique you should've written a fuse mount to let you cat a given pastebin ID
25 22:07:00 Morasique i really wish i could get fuse-python working
25 22:08:00 tommost You should do that, then present on it.
25 22:08:00 Morasique i've been trying to get it working, it's a bitch
25 22:08:00 Morasique as the kids are saying these days
25 22:20:00 chtr oh, i hadn't thought of something like that...
25 23:57:00 tommost Hmm... lots of traffic on the LUG server recently.
25 23:58:00 chtr yet no new changes to the wiki :(
26 00:02:00 Morasique i got an empty fuse filesystem to mount. i'm trying not to cheer outloud, my roommate might not like that
26 00:02:00 chtr i started working on a 9p pastefs a little after you said that, but now i've gone back to work i actually have to do
26 00:02:00 tommost Hmm... I accidentally killed pulseaudio. Exaile doesn't like that.
26 00:03:00 chtr i have it posting basic strings to rafb.net
26 00:03:00 chtr it serves one file, ctl; write the file to it, and then read from it, and it sends the paste off
26 00:04:00 chtr i'm too lazy to do the html escaping stuff now, so i've stopped
26 00:04:00 tommost HTML escaping stuff?
26 00:04:00 chtr for spaces and special characters in the post
26 00:04:00 chtr s/html/http/
26 00:05:00 tommost Oh, okay.
26 00:13:00 Morasique chtr: responsible of you. i'm currently ignoring the many things i have due tomorrow, including an entire project i haven't started
26 00:22:00 chtr that sounds like a bad idea
26 00:24:00 tommost I'm going to agree with chtr on this one.
26 00:35:00 Morasique i agree as well. that's not stopping me though
26 00:35:00 Morasique although i have moved on to doing senior project, which is at least schoolwork
26 01:54:00 chtr i think i finished pastefs, but rafb.net says i'm pasting too fast and is refusing to let me paste anymore :'(
26 01:56:00 chtr hm, weird... i think i broke something
26 02:01:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/9R6yUV71.html
26 02:03:00 Morasique impressive
26 02:04:00 chtr eh, it's buggered though. for some reason it always redirects me to a toofast.html, which means i'd have to do some funky stuff to get the paste url
26 02:05:00 chtr maybe if i don't paste for a while...
26 03:31:00 Morasique the indenting in the java library code is awful
26 11:01:00 andy753421 `Package Received' :) I'm guessing it's server parts
26 11:06:00 Morasique dances
26 11:59:00 chtr ooh...
26 12:02:00 Morasique i expect it up and running by thursday
26 12:02:00 Morasique or else...
26 12:02:00 chtr s/running/& plan9/
26 12:10:00 andy753421 i have't actually picked up the package yet
26 12:11:00 andy753421 and i double we'll get all the parts for another few days
26 12:11:00 andy753421 *doubt
26 12:11:00 Morasique T_T
26 17:52:00 Morasique scribd is the stupidest invention ever
26 17:52:00 Morasique i suspect i've mentioned this before
26 17:55:00 Blazeix Morasique: http://www.scribd.com/search?query=cd+key
26 17:56:00 Morasique i cannot imagine why those exist
26 17:57:00 Blazeix Yeah, I was searching for keys a while ago, and I kept getting a bunch of scribd results.
26 18:21:00 tommost Yeah, it drives me crazy.
26 21:07:00 chtr andy753421: so, what parts came in today (if any)?
26 21:17:00 andy753421 i actually didn't open the box, it's in the CS lab at the moment
26 21:17:00 andy753421 but my guess would be the motherboard
26 21:17:00 andy753421 it was ~10Lb and a fairly large box, but not big enough to be the chassis
26 21:18:00 chtr ah, ok
26 21:18:00 andy753421 i guess it could have been a couple smaller things too, or just a lot of excessive packaging
26 21:31:00 Morasique who wants to know how to hack the subway cam?
26 21:31:00 jboticsource what would that entail?
26 21:32:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/cam.png
26 21:32:00 tommost RHA++
26 21:32:00 tommost Default password?
26 21:32:00 Morasique no, it's actually a flaw in the cam's software
26 21:32:00 Morasique there's a field in the cookie called "user_auth_level"
26 21:33:00 Morasique i set mine to 5000
26 21:33:00 Morasique the default for guests is 41 (no idea where they pulled that number from)
26 21:33:00 Morasique i would tell them, but then they'd probably take the cam down for another couple years
26 21:33:00 tommost That's a pretty impressive level of failure.
26 21:34:00 Morasique "vertical flip" sounds very tempting
26 21:34:00 tommost What are the options for image size?
26 21:35:00 Morasique 160x120, 320x240, 640x480
26 21:36:00 tommost I wonder what the native resolution of the sensor is... it's certainly not 640 × 480.
26 21:39:00 andy753421 hey, is anyone taking computer graphics?
26 21:40:00 Morasique well, Blazeix made my 31337 hacking skills meaningless by discovering that the admin password is in fact "admin"
26 21:53:00 MrBucket101 hey all, I'm having trouble with thunderbird and LDAP, whenever I goto write an email...A certificate error comes up telling me this http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/MrBucket010/Untitled.jpg
26 21:54:00 tommost Yeah, you'll need to install Rose's root cert in Thunderbird.
26 21:55:00 MrBucket101 thx ill look into it
26 21:57:00 MrBucket101 go into settings>advanced> certificates> then import them right?
26 21:58:00 tommost Sounds right.
26 21:59:00 MrBucket101 not working, I think the LDAP uses a different certificate
26 21:59:00 MrBucket101 when I view the vertificate it starts with dc-1....
26 21:59:00 tommost It should be signed by the same root cert.
26 21:59:00 MrBucket101 in other words still work fine
26 21:59:00 Blazeix If you say 'view certificate' do you get an option to accept the cert?
26 22:00:00 MrBucket101 no just view > export
26 22:00:00 tommost Well, you could export it then import it.
26 22:00:00 MrBucket101 I just tried that and its still a no
26 22:00:00 MrBucket101 I'll restart tbird
26 22:02:00 MrBucket101 nope, the certificate that I'm being shown has a diffiernt SHA1, than both of the certs I got off TSC Home
26 22:05:00 MrBucket101 heres all of the certificates I have, http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~hollanbm/
26 22:10:00 MrBucket101 anybody?
26 22:11:00 tommost That page won't load for me.
26 22:12:00 MrBucket101 http://rapidshare.com/files/189977037/dc-1.rose-hulman.edu.crt.html
26 22:13:00 MrBucket101 I just put them all in my AFS public page hoping, you could grab them quickly
26 22:14:00 tommost It probably won't help anyway.
26 22:16:00 MrBucket101 figures...
26 22:19:00 MrBucket101 how big would file be if someone downloaded the LDAP directory for me
26 22:19:00 MrBucket101 so I could at least have something
26 22:19:00 tommost You could just download it yourself...
26 22:19:00 tommost Though I don't know how you'd do that.
26 22:20:00 chtr helpful
26 22:20:00 MrBucket101 There is an option in the LDAP setup to download it. However I cant even access the LDAP b/c of the damn cert error
26 22:20:00 MrBucket101 I've tried adding an exception and everything it just fails
26 22:20:00 chtr i'm pretty sure that i didn't have to mess with any certificates when i used ldap in thunderbird
26 22:20:00 MrBucket101 me either
26 22:20:00 tommost Yeah, I don't remember any of this.
26 22:20:00 chtr i certainly don't use them when using ldapsearch
26 22:21:00 MrBucket101 I'm running TBird 3.0b2, compiled for x64 support
26 22:21:00 tommost Well, that might be the problem...
26 22:22:00 tommost Maybe Mozilla has inflicted Firefox's stupid new cert policy on Thunderbird.
26 22:22:00 chtr is there an option for simple auth anywhere?
26 22:22:00 MrBucket101 i dont understand what your asking chtr
26 22:23:00 chtr as opposed to SASL or TLS
26 22:25:00 chtr also, try using port 389 instead of 3269...
26 22:25:00 MrBucket101 I'll try that
26 22:25:00 MrBucket101 with SSL off?
26 22:25:00 chtr yes
26 22:25:00 Blazeix I've been running TBird 3.0 for a while
26 22:25:00 Blazeix but 32 bit.
26 22:26:00 Blazeix LDAP works fine for me, I didn't have to do anything special.
26 22:26:00 MrBucket101 chtr that was it!
26 22:26:00 MrBucket101 I disabled SSL and then used port 389
26 22:27:00 MrBucket101 Blazeix, check your ldap setup, are you using ssl?
26 22:27:00 chtr glad that worked
26 22:27:00 Blazeix yeah, port 3269, too.
26 22:28:00 Blazeix I have one certificate, RHIT Root CA, imported under the "Authorities" section.
26 22:28:00 MrBucket101 maybe my password was saved incorrectly for LDAP, would that throw a cert error?
26 22:28:00 Blazeix I wouldn't think so, it seems like it would reprompt you until you got it right.
26 22:29:00 MrBucket101 o well, I'm glad I got this fixed
26 22:30:00 MrBucket101 Thx every1
27 00:06:00 chtr it's sad that i find myself running this command frequently: cd `pwd`
27 00:09:00 Morasique chtr: i have it aliased
27 00:10:00 quark__ then cd -
27 00:10:00 quark__ ?
27 00:30:00 jboticsource what is going on?
27 00:33:00 Morasique YAY!
27 00:34:00 tommost luglog: We missed you.
27 00:34:00 Morasique i missed it more
27 00:34:00 chtr you worry me very much
27 00:34:00 Morasique oh good, tommost is here multiple times, all is right with the world
27 00:44:00 jboticsource does anybody in here rip INTERNET radio?
27 00:45:00 tommost jboticsource: Try #rhnoise.
27 00:45:00 Morasique tommost--
27 00:57:00 andy753421 anyone ever written Sparc assembly?
27 00:58:00 chtr nope. i remember reading some thing about the instruction set last year and thinking something was cool. i forget what that was.
27 00:58:00 tommost Windowing?
27 00:58:00 andy753421 ok, i assume it must be better than x86?
27 00:59:00 chtr out of curiousity, why?
27 00:59:00 chtr it was considerably more sane
27 00:59:00 andy753421 looking at UltraSPARC T2 stuff
27 00:59:00 chtr i think i was reading about one of their older architectures.
27 01:00:00 chtr i'd like to learn more about that, especially opensparc
27 01:01:00 andy753421 yea, do you know if can you actually simulate opensparc on anything, or would that be to slow?
27 01:01:00 chtr i think their stuff for the t1 includes ways to simulate it, but it'd be very very slow
27 01:01:00 chtr digilent makes a pci card for implementing the opensparc on
27 01:01:00 andy753421 interesting..
27 01:02:00 chtr http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavTop=2&NavSub=599&Prod=XUPV5
27 01:17:00 andy753421 argh, if i move a file in a subversion repository, is there a way to tell SVN that i've moved it without having to move it back and then run `svn mv'?
27 01:23:00 chtr fg
27 01:23:00 Morasique andy753421: i don't think so, that's what i always do
27 01:24:00 Morasique it's worse if you erase it, you have to restore it so you can svn rm it, iirc touching an empty file doesn't work
27 01:25:00 chtr yeah, i always end up getting myself into all sorts of weird situations with svn
27 01:26:00 Morasique i've messed it up to the point where i delete all the folders i messed with and just run svn up
27 01:27:00 chtr i've messed it up to the point that i can no longer commit or do anything. i've had to manually copy out all my files, excluding .svn folders, into a newly checked out copy
27 01:27:00 Morasique ...you win
27 01:27:00 chtr i think that happened by deleting a .svn folder in the first place
27 01:38:00 andy753421 bash > svn: http://rafb.net/p/cswUI714.html
27 01:39:00 Morasique wow
27 01:40:00 chtr yeah, that's about all i can say too.
27 01:41:00 andy753421 take that python!
27 01:42:00 tommost I have no idea how that works, and only a vague idea as to what it does.
27 04:35:00 Morasique hmm. if you open a window while no tags are selected in awesome the window opens with no tags assigned, and as far as i can tell it's impossible to make the window visible
27 09:08:00 tommost Hmm... join is cool.
27 10:08:00 Morasique i recall discovering that at some point, and i still never use it
27 10:29:00 andy753421 `J is for join, which nobody uses.'
27 10:32:00 crr k is for kill, which makes you the boss
27 10:33:00 Morasique s is for slay, a far better name
27 11:32:00 Morasique i'm reading about the doom mod that lets you shoot processes, i like this line: "Certain processes are vital to the computer's operation and should not be killed. For example, after I took the screenshot of myself being attacked by csh, csh was shot by friendly fire from behind, possibly by tcsh or xv, and my session was abruptly terminated."
27 11:34:00 andy753421 where do i download this?
27 11:34:00 chtr search for psdoom, it's fun to play
27 11:36:00 Morasique sadly it's not in portage, i just checked
27 11:36:00 Morasique http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/
27 11:55:00 Morasique apparently the username part of an e-mail address can't be longer than 64 characters. so many possibilities gone :(
27 12:06:00 Morasique i'm somewhat curious what the -nodrm use flag does to xpdf
27 12:09:00 chtr probably lets you copy text from the copy-protected pdfs
27 13:30:00 andy753421 (just picked up the server's case)
27 13:42:00 chtr whare are we missing yet?
27 13:43:00 chtr woah, s/whare/what/
27 14:04:00 andy753421 not sure, i still haven't opened the boxes :)
27 14:04:00 andy753421 i'm up in the lab at the moment, i need to get some cameras working in linux (which might involve upgrading matlab) then i'm going to look though the stuff
27 14:05:00 chtr ah, ok
27 14:27:00 andy753421 argh, how did matlab go from 1.1GB in 2005 to 3.7GB in 2008
27 15:01:00 andy753421 SGA--
27 15:01:00 andy753421 they only order a single processor and a single hard disk
27 15:02:00 collinjc_server Did they at least charge the correct amount?
27 15:03:00 collinjc_server Thus enabling the ordering of a couple more?
27 15:05:00 andy753421 I don't think they sent me a receipt, I have a `Packing List' that has the HD, Ram, CPU, and MB all on it, and a 1 in the quantity filed for them all
27 15:05:00 collinjc_server I would hope, then, that a second order can be placed.
27 15:06:00 andy753421 yea, i think i'm going to email the secretary person
27 15:06:00 andy753421 you'd think they would have noticed when the amount on the blue sheet was significantly different than the amount they ordered
27 15:08:00 chtr heh that sucks.
27 15:09:00 kleinjt we could remind them how big of a voting block the LUG is, and that elections are tomorrow.
27 15:10:00 collinjc_server What's the plan for setting it up then? Wait for the remaining parts or go ahead and get something going with what is here?
27 15:13:00 tommost It seems like missing two hard disks is a pretty serious issue for going ahead. We don't want to install stuff on the disk and then have to change everything for the RAID array.
27 15:15:00 andy753421 http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=8781805
27 15:18:00 andy753421 I'm suppose to pass this on (about ubuntu-64) http://rafb.net/p/nImZki53.html
27 15:18:00 andy753421 someone who uses ubuntu-64 should probably post that on the wiki
27 15:19:00 tommost andy753421: Thanks. I was wondering how I could set that up.
27 15:23:00 andy753421 SGA's going to try to order the additional parts later today
27 15:28:00 andy753421 actually, we could set it up now, and just tarball the root filesystem and then convert it to raid
27 15:29:00 andy753421 which would be nice because that would give us a convenient backup as well
27 15:29:00 andy753421 the down side is that we'd have to pull everything apart when we get the additional parts and rewire everything :(
27 15:30:00 tommost Oh, are we doing hardware RAID?
27 15:30:00 andy753421 it's apparently not supported
27 15:31:00 andy753421 (only 0, 1, and 10 are supported in hardware)
27 16:01:00 tommost Warning: Sriram has discovered that this channel is logged.
27 16:02:00 andy753421 hehe, how'd he manage to do that?
27 16:14:00 chtr *hello to all my friends and fans in domestic surveillance*
27 16:27:00 Morasique tommost: well, that's why we only make fun of sriram in noise now
27 20:07:00 povilusr_desktop andy you done kmenas yet?
27 20:11:00 andy7534211 povilusr_desktop: yea
27 20:13:00 andy7534211 povilusr_desktop: were you having problems with it?
27 22:53:00 Morasique i think i might be psychic
27 22:53:00 Morasique i'm copying files to one of my externals, and i thought "that drive is probably running out of space", and like 3 seconds later my copy failed because i was out of space
27 23:19:00 andy753421 does windows have a strace?
27 23:21:00 chtr google seems to think a program called strace nt exists...
27 23:29:00 andy753421 alright, i guess i'll play with that sometime
28 02:03:00 chtr someone needs to present thursday
28 02:03:00 chtr anyone interested?
28 02:08:00 andy753421 check the presentations page
28 02:08:00 andy753421 did will present on GWT yet?
28 02:08:00 chtr yes, he did
28 02:08:00 andy753421 mkay
28 02:13:00 andy753421 someone should give a presentation on DBUS
28 02:13:00 andy753421 Morasique: ?
28 02:13:00 andy753421 tommost: ?
28 02:14:00 Morasique i know something about dbus?
28 02:15:00 andy753421 weren't you talking about using it for pidgin stuff once?
28 02:16:00 Morasique yeah, but i don't think that's beyond what people already know
28 02:16:00 andy753421 it's beyond what I know
28 02:17:00 andy753421 you could always read more about it and talk about that
28 02:17:00 Morasique i can talk about it i suppose
28 02:17:00 Morasique yeah
28 02:18:00 Morasique i'm hoping to do fuse at some point too, once i get enough time to actually learn it
28 02:18:00 andy753421 mkay
28 05:56:00 Morasique i'm going to stab myself in the face
28 05:56:00 Morasique i went 38mb over the bandwidth limit
28 07:29:00 crr sounds like a good idea to me
28 07:29:00 crr dibs on your laptop
28 08:29:00 kleinjt jboticsource++
28 09:34:00 tommost Is there a simple way to check whether a *FILE is associated with a terminal in C?
28 11:01:00 andy753421 tommost: termios maybe?
28 11:02:00 tommost Hmm... maybe. I don't see anything really straightforward there, though.
28 11:03:00 tommost I probably won't loose points for it, anyway, so nvm.
28 11:03:00 andy753421 ok, you could read the source code of $ls
28 12:26:00 Morasique my roommate wants to know who plays urban terror
28 12:26:00 Morasique and says if you don't, you should
28 12:27:00 chtr i play infrequently
28 12:28:00 Morasique is anybody named "rEVOLVEr" by any chance?
28 12:28:00 Morasique there's a guy on urban terror and a guy on waste with the same name
28 13:44:00 Morasique coding horror today is about the sawstop, it's a table saw that detects if your finger is touching the blade and stops it really fast by shoving an aluminum break into the blades. one of the comments: "the downside is this pretty much ruins the saw"
28 13:45:00 chtr i tend to assign more value to my finger than to a saw blade, but that might just be me
28 13:46:00 Morasique it is just you; saw blades are expensive
28 13:47:00 Morasique it probably ruins the brake too; you'd have to buy a new one
28 14:10:00 Morasique "Isn't Ubuntu based off Debian and not Gnu-Linux? If so, try Ubuntu as and alternative to Linux"
28 14:24:00 andy753421 http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ ?
28 14:25:00 Morasique nice
28 14:31:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity
28 15:19:00 Morasique this is impressive: http://mrozekma.com/eclipse.png
28 15:19:00 Morasique if you add an instanceof check for a variable eclipse picks up on it and offers methods for that class in the autocomplete box, and if you pick one it automatically adds the cast
28 15:32:00 Blazeix So, I'm going to try KDE 4.2 on my Windows side, and I'm downloading the installer. Its 1.7 Mb, since it downloads what it needs during the install process.
28 15:33:00 Blazeix I'm flying at 3Kb/s, with an estimated 6 minute download time.
28 15:33:00 Blazeix Hopefully the actual install download process goes a bit faster.
28 15:33:00 Blazeix I
28 15:34:00 Blazeix *I'd imagine that kde 4.2 would not be a fun download with sub-56k speeds
28 15:36:00 Morasique i like knowing my internet is going faster than yours
28 15:37:00 Blazeix I assume its just kde.org
28 15:37:00 Morasique whatever makes you feel better
28 15:38:00 Blazeix IAIT knows that a bandwidth restriction has to happen to somebody, so if they can't restrict you, the may as well get your roommates.
28 15:38:00 Morasique that would make me feel...terrible
28 15:38:00 Blazeix uh huh. I'm sure.
28 15:38:00 Morasique i found a thoroughly entertaining speed test yesterday: http://www.speedtest.net/
28 15:39:00 Morasique because when i'm testing my download speeds, i like to pretend i'm in a racecar
28 16:58:00 Morasique i mentioned in here a while ago that when i get bored i watch pastebin posts to see if anything interesting happens; there's a reddit post right now about how other people do that. i feel less insane
28 17:23:00 Morasique visual studio 2010 takes up 75gb installed
28 17:50:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/eclipse2.png
28 17:50:00 Morasique eclipse has helpfully alerted me that i'm making two methods with the same name, but different arguments
28 18:07:00 tommost So how's that senior project comgin?
28 18:07:00 tommost s/gin/ing/
28 18:08:00 tommost I take it that Panacea is your make-Java-not-suck-so-much library?
28 18:09:00 Morasique yeah
28 18:09:00 Morasique it's ok. i currently hate jtrees so very much
28 19:31:00 Morasique emotionml is the greatest thing i've ever seen
28 19:32:00 Morasique it makes me feel: <emotionml xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/emotionml"><emotion><category set="humaneDatabaseLabels" name="Amusement"/><intensity value="0.9"/></emotion></emotionml>
28 19:34:00 tommost s/<.*>/:-)/
28 19:34:00 Morasique <emotionml xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2008/11/emotionml"><emotion><category set="humaneDatabaseLabels" name="Sadness"/><intensity value="0.4"/></emotion></emotionml>
28 20:18:00 jboticsource http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/intel-releases-linux-based-moblin-2-alpha-for-netbooks.ars
28 20:24:00 Blazeix yeah, I saw that go by. Someone should install it on an eee pc and let me know how it goes.
28 22:58:00 MrBucket101 would someone here be willing to help me with a small bash script (less than 30 lines)? I've written it all, but when i run the script in the terminal it quits instantly, i think its a syntax error but I can't find it
28 22:58:00 chtr sure, pastebin it or something
28 22:58:00 MrBucket101 thx man
28 22:59:00 chtr well, i don't know if i will be able to help, i don't know bash
28 22:59:00 chtr others here do though
28 22:59:00 MrBucket101 http://pastebin.com/m10457411
28 23:00:00 MrBucket101 I dont know anything extensive, i just tried to create a menu and then base predefined terminal commands from there
28 23:03:00 MrBucket101 the errors on line 35
28 23:03:00 MrBucket101 but there are only 34 lines...wth
28 23:03:00 chtr does there need to be a done corresponding to the do?
28 23:03:00 MrBucket101 ill try that
28 23:04:00 MrBucket101 i think that did the trick
28 23:08:00 MrBucket101 well theres no more syntax errors..but its not doing what its sposed
28 23:08:00 andy753421 for future reference, i would suggest writing/testing one or two lines at a time
28 23:09:00 MrBucket101 (sighs) i'll just cut out each sub menu section
28 23:09:00 MrBucket101 well actually, my menu works, but when I try to read the $NAME from the command thats when it quits
28 23:10:00 MrBucket101 line 6
28 23:10:00 MrBucket101 7 i mean
28 23:11:00 MrBucket101 to get input from the user you can just use the read command right
28 23:16:00 andy753421 try http://rafb.net/p/h4KYCY66.html
28 23:16:00 andy753421 s/args//g
28 23:19:00 MrBucket101 i dont get sed very well....
28 23:20:00 MrBucket101 i should change args to argg?
28 23:20:00 tommost No, remove all args.
28 23:20:00 andy753421 i prefixed all the commands that actually do something with `args' which is a script i wrote that just prints out all the arguments
28 23:20:00 MrBucket101 OOOO
28 23:20:00 chtr andy753421: out of curiosity, why not just echo?
28 23:20:00 tommost Isn't that what echo's for...?
28 23:21:00 chtr heh
28 23:21:00 andy753421 it actually prints [arg1] [arg2] [arg3]
28 23:22:00 chtr ah, cool
28 23:22:00 MrBucket101 hmmm...I got rid of all the args, then when I ran the script its still failing after I enter the package name under opt 1
28 23:22:00 andy753421 etc, which is really helpful when you're trying to debug arguments. i.e. `echo "hello world"' vs. `args "Hello World"'
28 23:23:00 MrBucket101 does pause, wait for enter key?
28 23:23:00 andy753421 i do not have a pause command
28 23:24:00 MrBucket101 I know, but i figure if i put a pause command after each echo line, ill know where the script terminates
28 23:24:00 MrBucket101 assuming pause waits for an enter keypress
28 23:24:00 MrBucket101 or like
28 23:24:00 tommost Isn't there an option to bash that prints out each line as it is executed?
28 23:25:00 MrBucket101 that'd be nice if i new it
28 23:26:00 chtr set x?
28 23:26:00 chtr oh, set -x
28 23:28:00 MrBucket101 thx i think i know what im doing wrong
28 23:30:00 MrBucket101 thx for the script mod andy, its making it Ezier
29 01:19:00 Blazeix I just added my logged-in user to a group. Do I have to log out and log back in to get the new permissions, or is there some way around that?
29 01:19:00 andy753421 newgrp
29 01:19:00 andy753421 x11 might be hosed though
29 01:20:00 Blazeix alright, I'll take a look at that, thanks.
29 01:21:00 Blazeix awesome. it seems to have worked, without messing up anything else.
29 04:40:00 andy753421 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1107987&cid=26649413
29 04:40:00 andy753421 do we know that guy?
29 04:54:00 Morasique ooo. nice
29 06:08:00 Morasique yes! new record. i'm still over my 3 day limit from when i went over yesterday morning, so i got another e-mail 24 hours later. i am 1.72mb over the limit
29 06:09:00 Morasique i wish they would do math correctly, i've downloaded 5001332706 bytes; that's like 250mb under the supposed 5gb limit
29 06:09:00 Morasique apparently dividing by 1024 is too difficult
29 09:14:00 Morasique holy crap. e-mailing iait actually worked, they drop my rate limiting. urban terror time!
29 15:36:00 MrBucket101 to create a gzip archive in terminal, I use the command gzip inputfile outpfile.gz right?
29 16:17:00 Morasique Blazeix mocked my emacs color scheme T_T
29 16:54:00 Morasique two freshmen CSes are in the lab making fun of the documentation for using the word "SHALL". RFC2119 fail
29 16:56:00 Morasique i'm rapidly installing emacs on my virtual machine so i don't have to use vim during the presentation
29 16:56:00 Morasique i don't need that kind of humiliation
29 17:31:00 chtr andy753421: so, how's the server?
29 17:34:00 andy753421 i'll be over to the lab in a few minutes
29 17:35:00 chtr ok
29 18:16:00 Morasique why does strtok own the source string?
29 18:16:00 Morasique is it supposed to do that?
29 18:18:00 chtr Morasique: well, yes. sadly.
29 18:19:00 chtr strtok is the worst function ever
29 18:20:00 Morasique i see. i'm helping OS people, and strtok was modifying the input string, i thought they must be doing something wrong
29 18:20:00 Morasique that's depressing
29 18:20:00 Morasique what do you normally use to split a string if not that?
29 18:22:00 tommost Morasique: This is C. You write a finite state machine. ;-)
29 18:23:00 Morasique T_T
29 18:27:00 tommost Morasique: Don't you remember this from grading my project? The 70-line monstrosity responsible for splitting on whitespace and parsing quotes?
29 18:31:00 andy753421 Morasique: see BUGS in strtok(3)
29 18:32:00 andy753421 Morasique: i use g_strsplit ...
29 18:35:00 Morasique oh, i'm blind
29 18:35:00 Morasique thanks
29 19:26:00 chtr who's presenting next week?
29 19:28:00 Blazeix I might do a presentation on Django.
29 19:29:00 Blazeix Although tommost really likes django, so he could do it if he wanted.
29 19:29:00 tommost Django is awesome.
29 19:29:00 Blazeix :)
29 19:29:00 Blazeix chtr: did you see my message in noise about the mac?
29 19:30:00 chtr yeah, i need to do that yet
29 19:30:00 Blazeix er MAC, not apple
29 19:30:00 chtr my first priority right now is getting food somehow
29 19:30:00 Blazeix yeah, its not a pressing issue, whenever you get around to it.
29 19:32:00 kleinjt I could present on joe the week after next if there is any interest. It would be a very short presentation.
29 19:33:00 Blazeix what is joe?
29 19:33:00 kleinjt 19:32 < kleinjt> I could present on joe the week after next if there is any interest. It would be a very short presentation.
29 19:33:00 kleinjt er...
29 19:33:00 kleinjt right, right click pastes
29 19:33:00 kleinjt joe is a text editor
29 19:34:00 kleinjt pretty much like most other text editors, except most of the key combinations start with ctrl-k
29 20:01:00 Morasique http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=100758
29 20:01:00 Morasique best part: "the main advantage of Web Visions is the fact that the browser works twice faster and puts three times smaller work load on computer processes than its competitors Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox do"
29 20:01:00 Morasique in case it's unclear from the article, they took the IE visual basic plugin and drew a browser on a form. it uses the IE rendering engine
29 20:12:00 Blazeix "It took Creative Lines Group six months to develop the new browser."
29 20:14:00 Morasique drag and drop confuses some people
29 20:15:00 Blazeix If you go to their website, they have a world population counter, and a counter of people who use Web Visions.
29 20:15:00 Blazeix the Web Visions counter is a page hit counter.
29 20:15:00 Blazeix That seems rather optimistic to me.
29 20:16:00 Morasique :D people amaze me
29 20:22:00 tommost http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/drupal/zap
29 20:42:00 Morasique TBoneULS just had the most impossible error ever
29 20:43:00 Morasique his code wouldn't work, unless he defined a random semaphore variable. he didn't use it, he just defined it and never touched it again, and it changed the behavior of the code
29 20:45:00 Morasique wtf just happened, i tried to plumb a filename in my terminal
29 20:45:00 Morasique i don't have plumber. i never have
29 20:50:00 chtr you know you want it
29 20:51:00 chtr wait, don't you have p9p installed?
29 20:51:00 Morasique yeah, i technically have plumber, i've just never configured/run it
29 20:51:00 Morasique so i might as well not have it
29 20:51:00 Morasique alias plumber=''
29 20:51:00 Morasique mwahahaha
29 20:51:00 chtr it doesn't require much configuration.
29 20:52:00 chtr just run plumber, then plumb to your heart's content
29 20:52:00 Morasique NEVER!
29 20:52:00 Morasique wouldn't i need to get my terminal to call it when i click stuff?
29 20:52:00 chtr no, you can still run plumb
29 20:53:00 chtr like: plumb http://google.com
29 20:53:00 chtr that'll make firefox goto google
29 20:53:00 Morasique oh god acme is open on my screen
29 20:53:00 Morasique i xkilled it immediately, but it may have already spread
29 20:53:00 chtr well, you plumbed a text file. or something it doesn't know how to display
29 20:53:00 chtr edit $PLAN9/plumb/basic
29 20:54:00 tommost This seems a lot like gnome-open
29 20:55:00 chtr this is a terrifying path: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:12/input9
29 20:55:00 chtr it's not even a path
29 20:56:00 tommost That looks like d-bus.
29 20:57:00 chtr well, you know how much i like dbus
29 21:35:00 Morasique ooo. i never noticed this one, alt+sysrq+k will kill the processes on the current vty, so if you're in X it's like a kernel version of ctrl+alt+backspace
29 21:36:00 andy753421 yea, that's usually my last resort if alt+sysrq+r doesn't work
29 21:37:00 tommost I've never gotten sysrq keys to work. :(
29 21:37:00 Morasique tommost: step 1: install linux
29 21:37:00 Morasique ...there is no step 2
29 21:38:00 tommost I think it's my laptop's keyboard.
29 21:38:00 Morasique odd
29 21:38:00 Morasique http://esolangs.org/wiki/Velato
29 21:39:00 tommost Sounds like something Doering would like.
29 21:44:00 tommost Hey, someone's finally broken 2TB on waste.
30 02:49:00 andy753421 i'm beginning to realize how stupid the process to self sign a SSL key really is
30 02:50:00 andy753421 Generate a key.. and then to let everyone know that it's valid.. sign it with itself?
30 02:50:00 andy753421 what's the point of even self-signing it then, why not just give out the key, or something
30 02:51:00 andy753421 i imagine the public/private stuff comes into play somewhere..
30 04:29:00 andy753421 woo, lug.rose-hulman.edu runs wikimedia 1.13 now and uses reCPATCHA
30 04:34:00 Morasique dances
30 10:18:00 octavious maybe someone should tell tom miller not to send out publisher attachments...
30 10:21:00 chtr we should write an file of email guidelines... 1. include a descriptive subject; 2. no obscure fileformats for attachments...
30 10:27:00 kleinjt I'm at a public access windows computer at the moment, it is advertising the pie a fiji event, tomorrow from 8-10pm in the SRC.
30 10:34:00 kleinjt wait, today is friday
30 10:34:00 kleinjt hrm, today then.
30 10:59:00 Morasique kleinjt: you're always at a public access computer
30 10:59:00 Morasique octavious: i did tell him, i replied to his last one saying we don't have publisher. he apparently ignored me
30 11:02:00 Morasique "Compared to other diversity events on campus, please rate your interest in MLK events: [Much ]{More, Less}"
30 11:03:00 Morasique where's the option for "i'm completely apathetic to all of them in equal measure"?
30 11:07:00 Morasique and there's the famous "None of the above" checkbox. i remember a time before rose when i'd never seen somebody do that
30 11:54:00 andy753421 boo, my laptop screen is getting columns of stuck pixels
30 12:02:00 Morasique andy753421: good news! you still go to school here
30 12:04:00 andy753421 will iait fix that?
30 12:05:00 Morasique i'm not sure, they fixed my screen once before when i had display problems, i don't know if they will for stuck pixels
30 12:06:00 andy753421 if i get the LCd replaced.. the only thing left from my original laptop would be the hard disk and the case..
30 12:06:00 Morasique Blazeix says if there's whole columns failing they might, not for just one or two
30 12:06:00 Morasique how do you still have the hard disk? i went through three or four in the first couple months here, i thought my computer might be cursed
30 12:07:00 andy753421 i don't know, i've been trying to kill it for the last 2 years
30 12:07:00 andy753421 also, has anyone ever had problems with java not focusing properly when you hover over it?
30 12:08:00 chtr i remember having problems with not being able to click/enter text into input boxes and such on some swing guis
30 12:09:00 octavious i believe that failure probabilities in laptop hardrives closely follow the bathtub curve
30 12:11:00 andy753421 chtr: um, i installed new matlab and now whenever I hover over the window it doesn't focus, i have to actually click on it to type
30 12:11:00 andy753421 (which is terribly annoying)
30 12:12:00 chtr the only java-y thing i have in my .zshrc is export AWT_TOOLKIT=MToolkit
30 12:12:00 chtr i think that was for a different gui issue though
30 12:14:00 andy753421 hm.. that completely breaks matlab 2008a
30 12:14:00 chtr heh, glad i could help.
30 14:40:00 Morasique interesting. they turned javascript into python: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/New_in_JavaScript_1.7
30 15:02:00 Morasique http://www.footmouse.com/
30 15:15:00 Morasique interesting. option + a letter on a mac makes miscellaneous greek and other symbols
30 15:23:00 Morasique oh that's it. i'm done with macs. the function keys by default don't do f1, f2, etc., they do miscellaneous other things. you have to hit fn+f1 to signal "f1". fn is located where insert is on normal keyboards
30 18:22:00 Morasique blizzard tricked some judge into ruling that a popular world of warcraft botting program violates the dmca because it falls under "circumvention" technologies. this is the same judge that ruled earlier that it violates copyright law by copy parts of the game's memory while it's running, they should revoke his right to preside over technology cases from now on
30 18:35:00 chtr oh cool, plan9 has expect
30 18:55:00 andy753421 expect?
30 18:58:00 chtr this might be the fifth time now this has come up in here, haha
30 19:00:00 andy753421 the man page says something about telephone dialing, which doesn't really seem at all useful
30 19:02:00 chtr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expect
30 19:02:00 chtr that's about a tcl version for linux
30 19:15:00 Morasique andy753421: it's impossible that you've missed all three times this came up in here
30 19:15:00 andy753421 perhaps
30 19:16:00 andy753421 I think i pretty much ignored #rhlug for most of october/november/december
30 19:18:00 Morasique T_T
30 19:18:00 chtr i have a feeling that leads to increased productivity
30 19:18:00 chtr i should try that.
30 19:29:00 Morasique chtr--
30 21:20:00 Blazeix ooh. Impressive (KeyJNote) can add per-slide background music.
30 21:21:00 Blazeix I'm going to have a different MIDI play for every slide on my presentation
30 21:21:00 Blazeix The higher-pitched the better.
30 22:31:00 Morasique apparently they just renamed the project and nothing else, since i have the latest version of impressive but it's called keyjnote
30 23:17:00 Blazeix Morasique: 0.10.2 ?
30 23:17:00 Morasique yeah
30 23:17:00 Blazeix One thing I wish they'd add is presentation mode, that shows the latex notes on one screen, and the presentation on the other
30 23:18:00 Morasique that'd be cool. just open two instances, one on each monitor, showing the appropriate file, and advance them together
30 23:18:00 Morasique you're welcome
30 23:19:00 tommost You can use a script and d-bus to advance them simultaneously. If KeyJNote doesn't have d-bus, you can fix that.
30 23:19:00 Morasique i approve
30 23:20:00 Blazeix Sounds like a job for our resident DBus expert
30 23:20:00 Blazeix chtr.
30 23:20:00 Morasique clearly
30 23:20:00 Morasique you should just make the presentation slides the width of your dual monitors, and rig it so the projector half shows the content and the laptop half shows the notes
30 23:20:00 Morasique i bet you could find a way to do that in latex
30 23:23:00 Blazeix this link seems to suggest its possible: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425122
30 23:23:00 Blazeix Does anyone know what the J in KeyJNote stood for?
30 23:24:00 Blazeix The only thing I can find is that the developer's middle initial is J.
30 23:24:00 Morasique Blazeix: there's a beamer option called "show notes on second screen", but i can't get it to work
30 23:25:00 Morasique i'm not sure what pdf witchcraft it uses to pull that off
30 23:26:00 Morasique ah, you have to \usepackage{pgfpages} too, then it works
30 23:27:00 Morasique except it's a bit confused about my resolution, it's not quite filling my laptop monitor
30 23:27:00 Morasique there must be a way to set it
30 23:41:00 Blazeix it seems the separate screen for notes only works when both screens have the same resolution
30 23:41:00 Blazeix It works flawlessly as soon as I set both screens to the same res.
30 23:44:00 Morasique i'm messing with the options to pgfpages, it lets you change sizes, but i can't get it right
30 23:48:00 Morasique i tried setting both screens to 1024x768 and now the presentation isn't wide enough
30 23:49:00 Blazeix hm, I was using 1280x1024, and it worked o.k.
30 23:50:00 Blazeix I found a mailing list post about how you can use pdfpages instead of pgfpages to set the beamer size.
30 23:50:00 Blazeix http://www.tug.org/pipermail/texhax/2007-January/007712.html
30 23:50:00 Morasique i tried 1280 too
30 23:51:00 Morasique i saw that, but it looked like they were doing something weird, they were importing one pdf into another or something
30 23:52:00 Blazeix yeah. I think I just messed up my settings by playing with nvidia-settings too much.
30 23:52:00 Blazeix suddenly, impressive segfaults when trying to go fullscreen
30 23:52:00 Blazeix Hopefully an X restart will fix it.
30 23:53:00 Morasique pdfpages is making things much worse
30 23:55:00 Blazeix where were you finding documentation for pgfpages?
30 23:57:00 Morasique in the .sty file
31 00:04:00 chtr andy753421: are you planning on running an LDAP server for auth on the server?
31 00:05:00 chtr (i'm asking because of this: https://wiki.acm.jhu.edu/Plan9/LDAPAuth )
31 00:07:00 andy753421 chtr: I was
31 00:08:00 chtr cool. i'll have to get the plan9 boxes transitioned over to using that then
31 01:08:00 tommost I'm trying to map the forward button on my mouse to act like the Super key on my keyboard. I've been trying to use xmodmap, but I don't see a way to do this with it.
31 01:09:00 tommost All my Google searches turn up people trying to do the opposite.
31 01:14:00 tommost E.g., `xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Super_L"` doesn't work.
31 13:20:00 tommost For some reason my sshfs mount is reporting that my mount has 0 bytes free.
31 13:21:00 Morasique tommost: does it have 0 bytes free? that's one possible reason
31 13:21:00 tommost No, it has 12 GB free.
31 13:21:00 tommost And sshfs always reports 1TB free because it can't check, anyway.
31 13:22:00 Morasique sshfs always reports 1TB free ... my sshfs mount is reporting that my mount has 0 bytes free
31 13:22:00 Morasique my brain just exploded
31 13:23:00 chtr psh, logic
31 13:59:00 Morasique python needs ++
31 13:59:00 Morasique glares at tommost
31 14:00:00 tommost glares at Morasique
31 14:00:00 chtr why all the glaring?
31 14:01:00 Morasique i'm glaring because python doesn't have ++, and i blame tommost for python's failings
31 14:01:00 Morasique tommost is glaring because he has no satisfactory defense
31 14:07:00 Morasique Blazeix: what is this: http://awurl.com/7BD3xSYBP
31 14:07:00 Morasique good thing my mediawiki-based virus detector caught it
31 14:07:00 Morasique you're not infecting me
31 14:18:00 Morasique http://www.winonavannorman.com/work.js
31 14:19:00 tommost What an incompetent coder. Hasn't anyone heard of "else if"?
31 14:20:00 tommost And I think that it would be better implemented using ternary operators.
31 14:20:00 tommost That way "window.location" wouldn't need to be repeated.
31 14:28:00 Morasique at least make it a hash you can index into
31 14:28:00 Morasique that makes me more sad than the insecurity
31 16:39:00 Morasique how do you setuid something? is it just chmod +s?
31 16:54:00 Morasique one of the arguments to python's file.seek is "whence". that is awesome
31 16:55:00 tommost Yes, I love that.
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