#rhlug for 2008-12

30 19:02:00 auchter why did the SGA exchange disappear?

30 19:02:00 andy7534212 did anyone actually use it?

30 19:02:00 auchter i did, for buying books

30 19:08:00 auchter hmm, we could probably get a usable book exchange site made during a lug meeting...

30 19:20:00 Morasique there's that new book exchange site

30 19:21:00 auchter yes, which costs money

30 19:21:00 auchter it'd be trivial to make one that doesn't require you to have an account as well (just ldap auth)

30 19:49:00 Morasique it costs money to use that site? unbelievable

30 19:51:00 auchter  it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to send the payment manually through campus mail...

30 19:52:00 Morasique ...wow. this is what happens when MEs make sites

30 19:53:00 auchter i might start working on a new one

30 19:53:00 auchter although it'd end up in rc and end up unusable, as i actually don't have time to do it

30 19:53:00 Morasique sounds good

30 20:04:00 andy7534212 whoo, my compiler sortof works, i'll give a presentation on it sometime soon-ish: http://rafb.net/p/2Lthcw18.html

30 20:04:00 andy7534212 (better) bettehttp://rafb.net/p/6lPKFb51.html

30 20:06:00 auchter heh, that looks pretty cool.  i'm looking forward to the presentation

30 22:46:00 kleinjt tommost: is RHIT-1X still broken for you on Ubuntu 8.10? Defoe just sent out a email to everyone in OS pointing them to the lug wiki to install ubuntu, so we may want to make a note of that.

30 22:47:00 kleinjt I installed ubuntu over break, I'll test it on RHIT-1X tomorrow..

30 22:47:00 auchter should we have another installfest sometime this week?

30 22:48:00 kleinjt maybe, there are two sections of OS this quarter

30 22:48:00 kleinjt how soon into the class are you expected to have linux installed?

30 22:48:00 auchter it was never a requirement for us

30 22:49:00 auchter most people just used addiator

30 22:49:00 auchter also, the next time we do an installfest, i think we should follow it up with a general linux howto

30 22:49:00 auchter i get the feeling that a lot of people install it and then never boot into if

30 22:49:00 auchter maybe one particularly for OS, like getting build-essential installed, and actually going through building and running a simple program

30 22:50:00 kleinjt build-essential is on the wiki install guide IIRC

30 22:50:00 auchter oh, that reminds me, i need to write the script to graph segfaults/day tomorrow

30 22:51:00 kleinjt eh?

30 22:51:00 auchter when os classes start to get going, viewing dmesg on addiator gets fun

30 22:51:00 auchter because people apparently can't comprehend pointer arithmetic

30 23:01:00 Morasique it's never been a requirement, they just recommend you install it if you don't want to use addiator

30 23:03:00 tommost kleinjt: It's still broken for me.  (Not that I've bothered messing with it the last 3 weeks.)

30 23:07:00 quark_ any of you guys have a libflashplayer.so for flash 9?

30 23:08:00 tommost I imagine that I do.

30 23:08:00 tommost Yeah.

30 23:09:00 quark_ can you upload it somewhere

30 23:09:00 quark_ flash 10 keeps crashing my browser

30 23:09:00 quark_ could be firefox3

30 23:12:00 quark_ tommost: are you uploading it?

30 23:12:00 tommost Just a sec.

30 23:13:00 quark_ k

30 23:13:00 tommost My addiator AFS renewal script keeps not working.

30 23:13:00 tommost It's annoying.

30 23:13:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/

30 23:14:00 quark_ thanks a bunches

30 23:14:00 tommost Hm... the copying doesn't seem to be working.

30 23:14:00 tommost It's size zero on AFS.

30 23:14:00 tommost And cp is just hanging.

30 23:14:00 quark_ yeah

30 23:14:00 quark_ scp?

30 23:14:00 quark_ thats how I upload to addiator

30 23:14:00 quark_ usually

30 23:14:00 tommost I'm copying it to an sshfs mount.

30 23:15:00 quark_ k

30 23:37:00 tommost Okay, it seems to have worked.

30 23:41:00 tommost How difficult is it to set up a server to be netbootable from?

30 23:43:00 andy7534212 tommost: it sucks if you want to do it with PXE and all that, i've never got it to work

30 23:44:00 tommost Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

30 23:44:00 tommost My motherboard doesn't seem to support USB booting for some reason.

01 00:23:00 auchter use plan9, it's deliciously simple to netboot

01 00:25:00 Morasique plan9: deliciously simple

01 00:26:00 tommost How's Plan9's support for multiple monitors?  Xdmx?

01 00:26:00 tommost ;)

01 00:26:00 Morasique colors?

01 00:27:00 auchter plan9 supports 32-bit color, so i don't know what you're getting at

01 00:27:00 auchter and X's compositing was ported from plan9

01 00:27:00 auchter s/ported/based of off/

01 00:28:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever seen any color in plan9

01 00:28:00 auchter really

01 00:28:00 andy7534212 Morasique: it's always colored, the window borders are blue, the right click menu is green,the backgrounds are tan...

01 00:29:00 Morasique ah. apparently i don't pay much attention

01 00:29:00 auchter Morasique: just give 9vx a try, you'll quickky  see the colour

01 00:37:00 tommost Wait... does it have color or colour?  There's a critical difference.

01 00:37:00 andy7534212 it's so good it's got colouur

01 00:38:00 auchter andy7534212++

01 00:38:00 tommost Oooo... I'll have to try 9vx as soon as there's a deb.

01 00:38:00 tommost Oh, it's late.  To bed!

01 01:08:00 auchter late?

01 01:34:00 Morasique my body seems confused too, i'm yawning a lot

01 07:30:00 kleinjt there are new 24" widescreen monitors in the CS lab now :D

01 08:31:00 povilus is mathmatical induction the hard part about 230? because they are de-emphasizing it.

01 09:54:00 Morasique the 375 syllabus is a .doc

01 09:57:00 Morasique this is my first bohrer class; so far he's been fiddling with the projector for about 5 minutes trying to get a picture. he's currently blowing into the vga port on his laptop, like an nes cartridge

01 09:57:00 Morasique hmm. he's calling iait

01 10:01:00 Morasique i'm tempted to suggest switching the projector input, but i feel like that's insulting to two CS professors, i hope they already tried that. i'm going to be depressing if the iait guy comes in and pushes one button on the remote to fix it

01 10:03:00 Morasique wow. yeah, that took maybe 5 seconds

01 10:06:00 ZetaSyanthis That's depressing

01 10:06:00 ZetaSyanthis Once again, I will state that I hate people.

01 10:09:00 Morasique gah! final exam in here. my streak is ruined

01 10:10:00 ZetaSyanthis I find it rather annoying that one of the few csse courses I have to take has a final (230)

01 10:10:00 Morasique he just asked "how many people in here have programmed before?"

01 10:11:00 ZetaSyanthis what class?

01 10:11:00 Morasique i suppose i should mock him in #rhnoise

01 10:11:00 ZetaSyanthis eh, mocking is good everywhere

01 10:37:00 povilusr_desktop anyone got an extra 230 book they wanna sell/loan me

01 10:37:00 andy753421 do we have plans for another installfest any time soon?

01 10:37:00 andy753421 apparently the OS people want us to have one again

01 10:40:00 Morasique we talked about it yesterday but didn't settle on anything. i don't think we need any prep, we can do it whenever

01 10:42:00 Morasique this is a good idea though: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-12.log#line-23

01 11:53:00 andy753421 auchter: do we still need network cards for any of the plan9 machines?

01 11:53:00 andy753421 (there's one sitting on the free stuff table if os)

01 11:58:00 kleinjt for at least one session of OS we will be installing Linux in class during a lab, so we may not need to do an installfest

01 12:00:00 ferrelaj_laptop So, if we have Linux installed, can we skip lab?

01 12:00:00 kleinjt ferrelaj_laptop: -> #defoe? :P

01 12:03:00 TBoneULS i hope we can

01 12:31:00 Morasique kleinjt: well wtf. tell defoe to stop taking away our function

01 13:19:00 andy753421 so if I have to execute a program from another program on windows using popen(..), how do I do that?

01 13:19:00 andy753421 i.e. how do I figure out where the executables go? Is there a $PATH or anything?

01 13:20:00 auchter yeah, there's a path on windows

01 13:20:00 auchter i think it can be set through the system part of the control panel

01 13:35:00 quark_ its %PATH%

01 13:35:00 quark_ i believe

01 13:37:00 Morasique it is, but you have to use the gui to set it or it won't stay changed

01 13:37:00 quark_ yeah

01 13:37:00 quark_ true dat

01 13:38:00 quark_ do you guys know what I have to do to get my trackpad scrolling working under gentoo?

01 13:40:00 Morasique it should just be xorg.conf stuff, there shouldn't be anything gentoo-specific

01 13:40:00 quark_ yeah

01 13:40:00 quark_ but what is it?

01 13:40:00 quark_ zaxismapping?

01 14:24:00 tommost So, good news on the Operating Systems front: no DyKnow required.

01 14:25:00 tommost kleinjt: Did you get RHIT-1X working?

01 14:35:00 Morasique tommost: i had OS with mellor, there was no fear of dyknow :)

01 14:39:00 auchter i was all excited when we were told to check out a copy of labview from the parts room

01 14:39:00 auchter i thought: ``ah, maybe there's hope this will include the linux version!''

01 14:40:00 auchter sadly, the disks state: ``Windows Vista/XP/2000''

01 15:35:00 kleinjt tommost: sorta. It works in the cs lab and sometimes in olin. I put my settings on the ubuntu install guide.

01 15:48:00 tommost kleinjt: Cool.

01 16:08:00 tommost Anyone have a databases book that I could borrow/rent?

01 16:09:00 andy753421 i have one

01 16:09:00 andy753421 i think

01 16:10:00 tommost Hm... what edition?  The one in the bookstore's 5th ed.

01 16:10:00 andy753421 i have no idea, i think it has a beach on it or something

01 16:12:00 tommost This one? http://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Database-Systems-Ramez-Elmasri/dp/0321369572/sr=1-1/qid=1164507214/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5607034-8667106?ie=UTF8&s=books

01 16:13:00 tommost Wow, you can literally cut way half of that URL.

01 16:13:00 andy753421 good job, amazon killed my browser

01 16:14:00 tommost Sorry. :/

01 16:14:00 tommost The cover: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41EY6EK569L._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

01 16:14:00 tommost If JPEG images crash it, you've got serious problems. ;)

01 16:14:00 Morasique that is a lot of Zs

01 16:15:00 andy753421 what the hell, apparently, ps -Af is broken

01 16:16:00 tommost Morasique: http://aaugh.com/imageabuse.html

01 16:16:00 tommost (The URL was messed with by this script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/7613 )

01 16:18:00 andy753421 maybe it was wine..

01 16:18:00 tommost is suddenly scared

01 16:18:00 andy753421 i'll look at the book later

01 16:21:00 Morasique tommost: oh. cool

01 17:22:00 Morasique the OS profs just e-mailed the TAs saying they're installing linux on Wednesday in class, so apparently we don't need to do an installfest

01 17:24:00 auchter neat

01 18:00:00 Morasiqu2 test

01 18:00:00 Morasique the web client is actually decent, i've never tried it before

01 18:02:00 Morasique i told defoe if i can't be there on wednesday and people are desperate to come ask questions here, so if people using the web-client show up wednesday morning they're OS students

01 19:55:00 tommost Is there meal exchange tonight?

01 19:56:00 Morasique yes

01 19:56:00 tommost Cool.

01 19:56:00 tommost Not starving is a good thing.

01 19:56:00 Morasique indeed

01 20:22:00 Morasique it's probably futile to ask, but any presentation ideas this week?

01 20:24:00 tommost Does anyone use an e-mail client other than Outlook, Thunderbird, or Mutt?

01 20:26:00 Morasique i used chandra for a little while

01 20:29:00 quark_ PINE!

01 20:29:00 quark_ fags

01 20:30:00 andy753421 ?

01 20:30:00 quark_ he asked what email client i used

01 20:30:00 quark_ i use PINE and fag

01 20:30:00 andy753421 ah, ok

01 20:30:00 quark_ fag is a lot better than pine

01 20:30:00 quark_ much more configurable

01 20:31:00 quark_ what do you use?

01 20:31:00 andy753421 mutt

01 20:34:00 auchter ...

01 20:46:00 Morasique i used pine a little freshman year, it's not bad really

01 21:12:00 andy753421 tommost: my DB book is the 4th edition, but you can use it if you want

01 21:16:00 tommost andy753421: Okay, thanks.  I'll find out in class tomorrow if that'll work.

01 22:10:00 tommost auchter: OS is using abacus and sliderule instead of addiator, so you'll need to extend your segfault-graphing efforts to them as well.

01 22:14:00 andy753421 are those machines even online anymore?

01 22:17:00 tommost Yeah, they're at {abacus,sliderule}.csse.rose-hulman.edu now, though.  And they have Linux on them.

01 22:18:00 andy753421 i think those machines are fake

01 22:19:00 andy753421 unless VMWare has started making VGA controllers ;)

01 22:19:00 tommost :)

01 22:40:00 cgiirc344 Hi, this is Dr Defoe.

01 22:40:00 andy753421 hello

01 22:41:00 tommost Hello.

01 22:41:00 cgiirc344 We were advised by Andy that some of you might be able to assist us with LINUX install on Wednesday?

01 22:42:00 cgiirc344 We have 2 3 hr labs on Wed

01 22:43:00 cgiirc344 Here is our schedule info http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse332/200920/syllabus.html

01 22:43:00 andy753421 wow, operating systems has las now?

01 22:44:00 andy753421 interesting..

01 22:44:00 cgiirc344 if you are available during any of those slots and can assists that  would be great

01 22:44:00 cgiirc344 year, things are changing some

01 22:44:00 andy753421 I hadn't talked to anyone else, but some of us may be available. I don't have any classes on Wed so I can go but I would prefer to not wake up for 1st hour class

01 22:44:00 cgiirc344 We got some feedback from students that motivated the change

01 22:45:00 cgiirc344 LOL

01 22:45:00 cgiirc344 I understand

01 22:45:00 tommost Well, I'll be in the 1st hour section, since I'm in that class.  And I already have Linux installed, of course.

01 22:46:00 cgiirc344 I am sure Archana would appreciate your assistance

01 22:47:00 cgiirc344 We would appreciate any assistance we can receive

01 22:47:00 cgiirc344 Send us email if you can help

01 22:47:00 andy753421 i'll set up a wiki page for it

01 22:47:00 cgiirc344 Thanks

01 22:53:00 andy753421 is this in D219?

01 22:53:00 tommost Mine's in O169

01 22:53:00 Morasique they're both in O169

01 22:54:00 auchter yeah, it doesn't make sense to have the OS class in the OS lab

01 22:54:00 Morasique i think it usually is, i'm not sure what changed this year

01 22:54:00 Morasique security is still in 219

01 22:55:00 auchter i enjoyed this: http://www.iq0.com/notes/deep.nesting.html

01 22:56:00 Morasique the "else considered harmful" part is silly, it was a contrived example

01 22:56:00 auchter i'm fond of the "<something> considered harmful" construct

01 22:56:00 Morasique why would you store the result in a variable and then return it? unless you're one of those "functions can only have one return point" people

01 22:57:00 andy753421 wait, isn't wikimedia suppose to provides links up a level? (e.g. /foo/bar links to /foo)?

01 22:57:00 Morasique andy753421: not that i know of

01 22:59:00 andy753421 hm.. i could have sword I'd seen that somewhere

01 22:59:00 andy753421 was it maybe the old egroupware robotics site?

01 23:01:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Installfest/2008-12-03#Signup

01 23:01:00 tommost Like the link under the title of http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/User:Tomwm/.awesomerc

01 23:02:00 andy753421 yea, that's it, does that only work on user pages?

01 23:02:00 tommost I don't know why it would.

01 23:02:00 tommost I think it's present on the recipe pages, too.

01 23:02:00 tommost Hmmm... no, I'm wrong about that.

01 23:03:00 andy753421 i thought it was too, but I don't see it there

01 23:04:00 Morasique oh, that. it doesn't do it in the article namespace

01 23:04:00 Morasique it does it in the others

01 23:05:00 andy753421 there's go to be a way to configure that..

01 23:07:00 Morasique andy753421: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikilink#Subpage_activation

01 23:08:00 Morasique this is the actual variable: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesWithSubpages

01 23:10:00 andy753421 ok, i enabled it

02 02:02:00 andy753421 alright, i'm going on a mad renaming spree

02 02:49:00 andy753421 Muhahahaha, Take that you wiki!

02 09:14:00 andy753421 I like how the guy on slashdot AI story included assembler as an `application programming language'

02 09:20:00 auchter eh, he's a physicist... though just saying ``i know assembler'' seems rather broad...

02 12:01:00 Morasique from #gentoo: "< Neo_The_User> you know like in debian there is sudo? what does gentoo use for root access?"

02 12:09:00 Morasique http://stackoverflow.com/questions/329582/is-1-for-true-or-false

02 12:28:00 Morasique andy753421: wow. you had fun on the wiki

02 14:29:00 kleinjt are there any local mirrors of ubuntu 8.10 or slackware 12.1? I didn't see an iso of ubuntu 8.10 on the cs ftp.

02 14:29:00 andy753421 they're on there, but they're hidden

02 14:30:00 andy753421 ftp://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/ubuntu-ISO/CDs/intrepid

02 14:30:00 andy753421 I don't know about slackware though

02 14:30:00 kleinjt either works, thanks

02 14:31:00 kleinjt 10 mb/s >> 100kb/s :D

02 14:34:00 auchter if SGA would have given us our budget...

02 14:34:00 Morasique auchter: but then where would the frisbee golf club get money from?

02 14:44:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m2677ea22

02 14:44:00 Morasique somebody should take pity and kick him

02 15:39:00 Morasique http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/

02 15:42:00 quark_ anyone have tmobile?

02 16:13:00 auchter quark_: yep, prepaid though

02 16:13:00 quark_ is it any good?

02 16:14:00 auchter i haven't had any issues

02 16:15:00 quark_ does it have good coverage

02 16:15:00 auchter yeah, and it appears they have an agreement with AT&T, as i occasionally roam on their network with no penalty

02 16:16:00 auchter but i get excellent coverage everywhere i go

02 16:16:00 quark_ yeah i think they do

02 16:16:00 auchter GSM coverage has improved drastically in the past 5 years

02 16:16:00 quark_ I really want a G1

02 16:16:00 quark_ whcih is why i'm asking

02 16:16:00 auchter ah, i like cheap phones

02 16:17:00 quark_ i want ssh on my phone

02 16:17:00 quark_ its really my main goal

02 16:17:00 auchter i want my phone to make phone calls

02 16:17:00 auchter but yeah, i can see the desire for ssh

02 16:17:00 quark_ anywhere

02 16:17:00 quark_ its just so damn convient

02 16:17:00 auchter it's just that the few times i've used ssh/telnet on portable devices have been painful

02 16:17:00 auchter typing's too slow, they lack control keys, etc.

02 16:18:00 quark_ yeah thats true

02 16:18:00 quark_ my friend has a nokia n810

02 16:18:00 quark_ i didn't like typing on it

02 16:18:00 auchter really the best solution is to just connect to the internet through your phone

02 16:19:00 auchter that's what i did a few years ago

02 16:19:00 quark_ yeah but I'd want it for times that I don't feel like getting out a computer

02 16:19:00 auchter if i feel the need to ssh somewhere, i usually feel like getting out a computer

02 16:35:00 Morasique i just have a computer out all the time. problem solved

02 16:36:00 quark_ i don't like carring things around with me everywhere

02 17:05:00 tommost Crap, I'm swapping.

02 17:11:00 Morasique ?

02 17:11:00 tommost I need more RAM.

02 17:12:00 Morasique or less things open

02 17:12:00 tommost Oh, no wonder the Internet is sucking so much.  Greasemonkey is disabled.

02 17:12:00 Morasique switch to gentoo. :)

02 17:13:00 tommost I have Firefox, Thunderbird, SciTE, Evince (with a single-page document), some terminals, rdesktop, and VirtualBox open.  That's really not unreasonable.

02 17:15:00 Morasique you could've said "i have firefox open and nothing else" and swapping wouldn't surprise me

02 17:15:00 Morasique and virtualbox tends to take a lot too

02 17:16:00 tommost Only 512 MB or so.

02 17:16:00 Morasique is that not a lot?

02 17:17:00 tommost Well, I have 2 GB of RAM.

02 17:18:00 andy753421 what's taking it all then?

02 17:18:00 Morasique tommost: damn you

02 17:21:00 tommost Firefox and VirtualBox both have < 24% of RAM; the rest is just stuff adding up.

02 17:21:00 andy753421 how does stuff adding up take over a Gig of ram?

02 17:21:00 tommost X has 8.3%; Thunderbird 7.7%; Pidgin 2.5%.

02 17:22:00 tommost My physical ram is only 80.4% full, but I still have 741.9 MiB in swap for some reason.

02 17:22:00 andy753421 8.3 + 7.7 + 2.5 == 11.5, 185MB < 1.0GB..

02 17:23:00 andy753421 you could have swapped out earlier, it doesn't pull things back in until it's needed

02 17:24:00 tommost I only just opened VirtualBox.

02 17:24:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/W0gVzy20.html 1GB of ram, not swapped out.

02 17:28:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/95509/

02 17:32:00 Morasique inotifywait is handy

02 17:33:00 auchter indeed it is

02 17:34:00 Morasique way to never tell me about it

02 17:34:00 auchter i think we talked about it in here before

02 17:34:00 auchter to the logs!

02 17:35:00 Morasique i recall something about inotify once i think

02 17:36:00 Morasique yeah, you lie

02 17:36:00 Morasique high-fives the logs

02 17:37:00 Morasique "< caturdayz> lol hai guise". there should be a bot that kicks if it recognizes such things

02 17:44:00 andy753421 tommost: run top and select VIRT, RES, SHR, SWAP, CODE, DATA (fOQTplr) and then sort by DATA (fs) and then paste the top bunch of lines somewhere

02 17:46:00 andy753421 you're using some huge chunks of shared memory for some reason

02 17:50:00 andy753421 maybe that's just gnome being huge

02 17:50:00 andy753421 you're also running kded...

02 18:14:00 quark_ what would be the best place for me to get a nice slimmed down windows vm

02 18:14:00 quark_ i really don't feel like going through all the trouble to install it

02 18:15:00 andy753421 quark_: the CS dept has a mirror of it

02 18:16:00 andy753421 i don't know if it counts as slimmed down though, and I don't remember the URL for it

02 18:16:00 quark_ hmmm

02 18:16:00 quark_ probably on one of their ftp servers?

02 18:21:00 quark_ anyone else know?

02 18:25:00 auchter quark_: it's on webdav somewhere

02 18:30:00 quark_ webdav?

02 18:31:00 quark_ i know what that is, but I don't know the url....

02 18:31:00 auchter https://webdav.rose-hulman.edu/

02 18:31:00 auchter oh wait, you're a CPE

02 18:31:00 auchter the VM is only for CS/SE, oddly enough

02 18:40:00 quark_ really?

02 18:41:00 quark_ i can login to webdav

02 18:42:00 quark_ but I can't find a windows vm

02 18:45:00 tommost andy753421: http://dpaste.com/95527/

02 18:45:00 auchter the windows vm is in some weird subdirectory, but it's password protected

02 18:45:00 quark_ ohh

02 18:46:00 quark_ well one of you cs's should just get it for me

02 18:46:00 quark_ looks at tommost

02 18:46:00 quark_ oh wait

02 18:46:00 quark_ i live with some

02 18:46:00 quark_ how do you get the password?

02 18:48:00 auchter it's normal kerberos, but i believe it's just restricted by major

02 18:50:00 quark_ ohh

02 18:50:00 quark_ cool

02 18:50:00 quark_ but you don't know what dir its in?

02 20:33:00 Morasique the new monitors in the CS lab are ridiculously good. i want one

02 20:34:00 Morasique the white of an empty firefox window makes my eyes hurt

02 22:43:00 auchter ssh -L is the most useful thing in the world for dealing with crazy network setups at rose

02 22:44:00 tommost ssh is one of those commands that seems to be useful in just about every situation.

02 22:48:00 kleinjt sshpass is useful too if you disreguard security :D

02 22:48:00 auchter public key login doesn't require that i change something when i change my password

02 22:49:00 kleinjt change passwords?

02 22:49:00 tommost kleinjt: Yeah, Rose makes you do that once a year.  Silly of them.

02 22:50:00 tommost What's the point when the angels can see all.

02 22:50:00 kleinjt well, sorta. I think the password memory only goes back to the last twenty. it should be easy to write a script to change it twenty times then change it back

02 22:55:00 tommost Pssst... screen.

02 22:57:00 kleinjt I keep forgetting I need to close this window with win-esc rather than ctrl-z :/

02 22:57:00 tommost :)

03 09:45:00 tommost Well, the OS install session is going okay.

03 09:45:00 tommost Though there is some confusion over how the guide hasn't really been updated to 8.10.

03 10:02:00 auchter tommost: are there that many significant differences?

03 10:02:00 auchter and is it wise to have people run 8.10 when you've been having trouble with wireless?

03 10:03:00 tommost Well, the partitioning stuff in the installation wizard has changed, and not for the better.

03 10:03:00 tommost Archana brought 8.10 disks; I would have advised Hardy, myself.

03 10:04:00 auchter does anyone think it'd be a good idea to go over basic commands and answer questions tomorrow at the lug meeting?

03 10:04:00 tommost quark tells me that if you remove/reinsert the wireless driver module you can get it to work.

03 10:04:00 auchter (perhaps tell people that if they have any questions to come tomorrow

03 10:04:00 tommost You want me to?  I can write it on the board.

03 10:05:00 auchter yeah, sure

03 10:13:00 tommost Okay, it is written.

03 11:10:00 quark_ yeah that seemd to work for me

03 11:10:00 quark_ but its still really buggy

03 11:10:00 quark_ tommost: what are thoes xorg lines for the touchpad?

03 11:11:00 tommost This is my current xorg.conf: http://dpaste.com/95762/  However, I don't have the InputDevice stuff properly connected, so it doesn't work.

03 11:12:00 quark_ not even the vertical?

03 11:12:00 tommost No, vertical works automatically.

03 11:21:00 quark_ hmmmm

03 11:21:00 quark_ maybe i need to install synaptics

03 11:22:00 quark_ yep

03 11:22:00 quark_ turns out i am an idiot

03 11:26:00 kleinjt I'm in the OS install and some people aren't getting the option to do the automatic resize

03 11:27:00 kleinjt has anyone seen this issue and know how to solve it?

03 11:27:00 auchter quark_: you might want to add "synatics"to INPUT_DEVICES in your make.conf

03 11:28:00 quark_ auchter: yeah, that would probably be a good idea

03 11:29:00 quark_ one problem solved

03 11:29:00 quark_ now I need to find a windows vm

03 11:35:00 tommost kleinjt: Most often the problem is caused by their NTFS filesystem being corrupt.

03 11:35:00 tommost I added a note on how to fix that to the Ubuntu install guide.

03 11:35:00 quark_ tommost: it turns out i'm actually using the iwl3945 driver that is in the kernel

03 11:35:00 quark_ and I have no problems with it

03 11:35:00 quark_ i thought I downgraded but I realy didn't

03 11:36:00 tommost Also, it's easier to just use Gparted directly than to use the wizard.

03 11:36:00 tommost I added a note to the install guide about that, too.

03 11:36:00 tommost quark_: Now I'm really puzzled.

03 11:36:00 quark_ yeah

03 11:36:00 quark_ although I don't use nm-applet or anything

03 11:36:00 quark_ i use iwconfig and wpa_supplicant

03 11:37:00 quark_ although its in a .26 kernel

03 11:37:00 quark_ but I think its the same driver

03 11:40:00 kleinjt tommost: yeah, I ran ntfsresize and it complained of errors. they are trying the fdisk /f /r

03 11:41:00 tommost chkdsk /f, you mean?

03 11:42:00 quark_ when I tried to install linux on my machine i realized the iait image was actually 1 sector larger than my disk

03 11:43:00 quark_ so I made iait reimage it and it still had the same problem

03 11:44:00 quark_ some other guy had the same error

03 11:44:00 quark_ i had to image my computer myself with norton ghost to get it to work

03 11:49:00 quark_ http://imrannazar.com/Running-a-Windows-Partition-in-VMware

03 11:49:00 quark_ any of you guys tried soemthing like this?

03 11:51:00 tommost Mellor does that.

03 11:51:00 quark_ i'm thinking about doing it

03 11:51:00 quark_ it looks pretty sweet

03 11:57:00 kleinjt t    t    sdaf

03 11:57:00 kleinjt er..

03 11:57:00 TBoneULS ?

03 11:58:00 kleinjt tommost: fdisk /f /r, when I ran ntfsresize from commandline it said to run fdisk /f /r in the error output

03 11:58:00 tommost Oh, huh.

03 11:58:00 kleinjt quark_: yeah, somebody else is having that problem right now :/

03 11:58:00 tommost I got output that said to run chkdsk /f and restart Windows twice, which worked.

03 11:59:00 quark_ kleinjt: they are fucked

03 11:59:00 kleinjt ok, I'll pass on the information :)

03 11:59:00 quark_ well

03 11:59:00 quark_ you can tell them what I did

03 11:59:00 kleinjt ok

03 11:59:00 quark_ got a copy of norton ghost and make an image of my harddrive

03 12:00:00 quark_ then I wiped my partition table

03 12:00:00 quark_ installed linux

03 12:00:00 quark_ and a fresh copy of windows

03 15:16:00 andy753421 aww, i completely missed the installfest, how did that go?

03 15:17:00 tommost Okay at 8:00.  One guy discovered that his hard disk had a bad sector thanks to ntfsresize's refusal to touch a bad drive.

03 15:18:00 Morasique linux to the rescue

03 15:19:00 Morasique i hear people with questions might come to lug tomorrow, so we'll have something to do lacking a presentation

03 15:56:00 Morasique high-fives lug for our "important contributions to our department and our campus"

03 15:57:00 tommost hugs shadghost

03 16:29:00 kleinjt about six or seven people in Defoe's section had funny problems with bad sectors that chkdsk didn't always fix. I referred a few people to the lug meeting tomorrow

03 16:31:00 kleinjt all but a few people got it installed in the end

03 16:31:00 auchter sounds good

03 16:42:00 TBoneULS some guy got pissed because we were using the robotics clubs tools - any idea who that was?

03 16:44:00 tommost TBoneULS--

03 16:46:00 TBoneULS What's with the --?

03 16:46:00 quark_ i think it means he thinks you suck

03 16:46:00 TBoneULS This actually is Joel, so I don't really care that much.

03 16:46:00 tommost :)

03 16:47:00 TBoneULS The kid got angry at us using a screwdriver, and took the keys with him as he left

03 16:47:00 TBoneULS Any clues why he would do so?

03 16:47:00 tommost In general we get pissed at senior project teams that mess with our stuff.  They tend to steal stuff.

03 16:47:00 TBoneULS Really? We have so far borrowed only screwdrivers and returned them.

03 16:48:00 tommost I wouldn't personally begrudge you a screwdriver, though.

03 16:48:00 TBoneULS I had not seen a person get so annoyed at screwdriver usage.

03 16:48:00 tommost But then, I know you.

03 16:48:00 TBoneULS We tried to explain that to him

03 16:48:00 TBoneULS He said you didn't have power over the tools.

03 16:48:00 tommost Hehe.

03 16:48:00 tommost Perhaps it was Colin.

03 16:48:00 TBoneULS I vote for taking him out behind a shack and beating him with a hose.

03 16:49:00 TBoneULS Well, he has the keys so good luck getting work done on it right now.

03 16:50:00 tommost I once walked off with the keys for a week my accident.

03 16:50:00 TBoneULS How did that work out?

03 16:50:00 TBoneULS Also, TBoneULS--

03 16:50:00 TBoneULS Just for fun

03 16:51:00 tommost I don't think anyone noticed, since the drawers weren't locked.

03 16:51:00 TBoneULS I think he locked it.

03 16:51:00 TBoneULS Yep, he did. Damn.

03 16:52:00 tommost Perhaps you should acquire some screwdrivers of your own so that you are not at the mercy of random RT members.

03 16:52:00 TBoneULS We do, there was a random screw that we couldn't get out with our set

03 16:52:00 TBoneULS Not enough torque with the little ones and the larger ones were to big to fit into the hole

03 16:53:00 tommost Well, there's a mechanical team meeting at 7:00, so he should be back then.

03 16:53:00 TBoneULS So we needed to borrow them for three screws

03 16:53:00 tommost Small screwdriver + pliers may work. ;)

03 16:54:00 TBoneULS We tried that with some nice failures on Sam's part.

03 16:56:00 tommost BatySucks++

03 16:56:00 BatySucks Want to take bets on when he notices his name changed?

03 16:58:00 TBoneULS Awww, he got angry...

03 17:08:00 andy753421 somebody should give a presentation tomorrow

03 17:31:00 quark_ on how to boot a vm from a physical partition

03 20:25:00 auchter woo, xilinx finished downloading.

03 20:26:00 auchter it came as a tar full of zip.xz's..

03 20:39:00 auchter  it seems like all of my professors this term use doc for exverything

03 20:40:00 auchter is there a doc reader that starts as quickly as xpdf, for example?

03 21:32:00 auchter right, so any small doc viewers that don't do this: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-12-04_02:32:03_1920x1200.png

03 21:33:00 auchter wonders why profs just don't use pdf...

03 21:36:00 andy753421 auchter: antiword? although that uses the same backend as abiword

03 21:37:00 auchter i'm assuming that won't work for the equations within the document, which are what i care about most

03 21:46:00 auchter anyone have app-office/openoffice installed on gentoo?

03 21:50:00 andy753421 auchter: yes

03 21:50:00 auchter how big did the install end up being?

03 21:50:00 auchter the -bin package is almost 3GB, and i only have 2.2GB left on my partition

03 21:54:00 andy753421 246MB

03 21:54:00 andy753421 you probably need way more to compile it though

03 21:55:00 auchter i'll give it a try...

03 21:56:00 auchter time to turn swap on

03 23:15:00 andy753421 does anyone know how to save things as .docx?

03 23:16:00 andy753421 (from linux that is) soffice just gives me errors whenever I try

04 00:20:00 quark_ http://foodproof.com/photos/full/bacon-cheese-roll-1290

04 00:20:00 quark_ yum

04 00:21:00 auchter quark_: ->#rhnoise

04 00:21:00 quark_ man

04 00:21:00 quark_ you guys take irc way to seriously

04 00:21:00 auchter but yes, i must say that looks delicious

04 00:21:00 quark_ thank you

04 00:23:00 quark_ thats all I wanted to hear

04 00:23:00 auchter crr would probably appreciate it as well

04 00:24:00 quark_ i was thinking about making it

04 00:24:00 Morasique auchter: yeah, because quark_ is really concerned about not being a dick

04 00:25:00 quark_ that is true

04 00:25:00 quark_ at least on irc for sure

04 00:27:00 quark_ Morasique: you don't really seem concered about being a dick either

04 00:27:00 Morasique to you? no, not really

04 00:27:00 quark_ yeah

04 00:27:00 quark_ bceause we don't know each other

04 00:28:00 quark_ we aren't of the same kind

04 00:28:00 Morasique i know enough

04 00:28:00 quark_ I can dig it

04 00:28:00 quark_ i just don't get why you guys take thing so seriously

04 00:29:00 quark_ each to their own

04 00:30:00 quark_ so

04 00:30:00 quark_ did you hear about this .tel domain?

04 00:31:00 auchter i've heard of tel urls, i think

04 00:31:00 auchter but not the domain

04 00:31:00 quark_ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/03/dot_tel_is_go/

04 00:32:00 kleinjt I've heard AT&T has a website. I've never been there, so I can't be certain.

04 00:33:00 auchter that sounds pretty cool actually, except the 15GBP/year

04 00:33:00 auchter i pay <10USD/year for my .org, which is vastly more functional than a .tel

04 00:34:00 andy753421 auchter: out of curiosity, what registrar?

04 00:35:00 quark_ oh yeah

04 00:35:00 quark_ thats just bceasue its new though

04 00:36:00 auchter andy753421: godaddy

04 00:36:00 tommost Boo.

04 00:36:00 Morasique auchter: win

04 00:36:00 auchter ?

04 00:36:00 tommost Haven't you heard?  They're evil.

04 00:36:00 auchter everyone's evil

04 00:37:00 Morasique godaddy does have an impressively bad history though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoDaddy#Controversies

04 00:37:00 Morasique i've never had any problems

04 00:38:00 auchter yeah, i haven't had any problems with them either

04 00:38:00 auchter i got my domains from them before any of those happened anyway

04 00:40:00 tommost They todated to Ted 'Tubes' Stevens.  That's all you need to know.

04 00:40:00 kleinjt todated?

04 00:40:00 kleinjt and ted stevens is a fine politican

04 00:41:00 Morasique kleinjt: he's from alaska. that's all i need to know

04 08:51:00 povilus wooooooo data structures

04 08:51:00 povilus why are we talking 1 hours on these

04 08:51:00 povilus how does a queue work, gee, its like a line

04 12:12:00 auchter Morasique: what's great about the arduino (and atmel microcontrollers in general) is that there's avr-gcc

04 12:13:00 Morasique whoa. #rhnoise/#rhlug crossover

04 12:13:00 Morasique what's avr-gcc?

04 12:13:00 auchter (it fits better in here)

04 12:13:00 Morasique (we're talking about this awesome thing: http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/lesson1.html )

04 12:13:00 auchter gcc that targets the avr

04 12:13:00 auchter the arduino software is pretty poor, in my opinion

04 12:13:00 Morasique ah, i see. well, you should buy me one and i'll let you know

04 12:13:00 auchter i mean, it's probably great if you don't have much C background and don't want to read datasheets

04 12:13:00 Morasique it's christmas soon. lug gift exchange

04 12:14:00 auchter that's the worst idea i've heard in a while

04 12:14:00 Morasique (by gift exchange i mean you give me something, and that's it)

04 12:15:00 auchter i stand by my previous assessment

04 12:16:00 Morasique nonsense. you buying me an arduino would make you happy. giving is very rewarding

04 12:16:00 Morasique or so i hear

04 12:27:00 ferrelaj_laptop Morasique: that seems reasonable. I vote for a gift exchange, so long as auchter is doing the giving

04 12:30:00 auchter a christmas gift to lug: i'll pull you a shot of espresso

04 12:30:00 andy753421 auchter: should have brought that to the 8:00am installfest ;)

04 12:31:00 Morasique installfests should never occur before noon

04 12:31:00 auchter my machine's not moving, that would make it too easy for people to accept the gift ;)

04 12:32:00 andy753421 auchter: you know this could backfire on you..

04 12:32:00 andy753421 LUG field trip!

04 12:33:00 auchter i'm also counting on people not being that motivated

04 12:33:00 auchter i think it's a good bet

04 12:40:00 Morasique auchter: i don't know, we could carpool from the lug meeting

04 12:54:00 Morasique someday ANGEL will be like this: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Google-Botched.aspx

04 12:57:00 auchter Morasique: it seems like it already is pretty close

04 13:09:00 andy753421 :e

04 15:46:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/facebook.png

04 15:47:00 Morasique because i often forget to sign on the internet before visiting facebook

04 15:50:00 Morasique it makes me nervous when mcleish and daryl both stare at me

04 15:50:00 auchter Morasique: they're on to you

04 15:50:00 tommost They Know.

04 15:51:00 tommost Morasique: Tell them "thank you" for fixing MSDNAA for me.

04 16:37:00 tommost They're removing the "mutex" module from Python 3.0.  One of the listed reasons is "Not thread-safe".

04 18:53:00 Morasique i asked about the portage pronunciation in #gentoo-portage and the lead developer said it's the way you all pronounce it. i refuse to change

04 18:54:00 auchter i'm still rather depressed that we even had that discussion

04 18:55:00 auchter it really should have stopped after 15s

04 19:03:00 andy753421 has anyone used UPnP under linux?

04 19:04:00 andy753421 also, the slashdot article about virtual memory makes me sad

04 19:07:00 auchter andy753421: i thought the same thing at first, but apparently ``virtual memory'' in windows == swap file...

04 19:20:00 Morasique auchter: i blame you

04 19:21:00 tommost I don't know what's going on, but auchter is obviously to blame.

04 19:21:00 Morasique we were arguing over how to pronounce "portage"

04 19:21:00 quark_ how do oyou say it?

04 19:22:00 tommost portáge

04 19:22:00 quark_ how do you say it*

04 19:22:00 Morasique pohr-tahzh. the second way in the audio clip from http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=portage

04 19:22:00 auchter Morasique: you need to stop

04 19:22:00 quark_ its obvious

04 19:22:00 quark_ port age

04 19:23:00 quark_ you know since its based on ports

04 19:23:00 tommost No, portáge

04 19:23:00 Morasique you added a space, that doesn't really help with pronunciation :). i assume you pronounce it the first way like everyone else

04 19:23:00 quark_ yes

04 19:23:00 quark_ the space helps

04 19:23:00 Morasique i've always heard the original canoeing term pronounced the latter way

04 19:24:00 quark_ beacuse you would read them seperatly

04 19:24:00 quark_ thus saying it correctly

04 19:24:00 Morasique i would write them both as "por tage" if anything, just the "tage" changes sound

04 19:25:00 Morasique (obviously we had a very productive lug meeting)

04 19:25:00 quark_ did you guys not help a bunch of people that can't install linux?

04 19:25:00 Morasique there was only one guy with problems

04 19:26:00 quark_ did you fix it?

04 19:26:00 collinjc We didn't really help him, but he now knows how to pronounce portage, so that's a plus.

04 19:26:00 quark_ yeahj

04 19:26:00 quark_ you guys didn't help me either

04 19:26:00 quark_ useless

04 19:26:00 quark_ although you got close

04 19:26:00 quark_ trying toe dit my partition table in vim

04 19:29:00 Morasique i was stable at 255 karma on hacker news and then i commented again. T_T

04 19:37:00 andy753421 hey, i remember that

04 19:39:00 quark_ trying to fix my computer?

04 19:39:00 quark_ thats when I first learned iait sucks

04 19:39:00 quark_ bceause when they reimaged it, it was still broken

04 19:42:00 Morasique you're going to hurt Blazeix's feelings with this anti-iait talk

04 19:45:00 quark_ they suck

04 19:45:00 quark_ I went down there for a new power supply

04 19:45:00 quark_ and the asshole told me to come back in 2 hours

04 19:46:00 quark_ although

04 19:46:00 quark_ apparently my poswer supply wasn't broken

04 19:46:00 auchter in their defense, they can't just hand you one

04 19:46:00 quark_ so I guess it was my fault

04 19:46:00 quark_ the library plugs didn't work at all

04 19:46:00 auchter they told me that last time i brought my power supply down

04 19:46:00 quark_ how hard is it to plug in a power supply and see if it works?

04 19:46:00 auchter it was obviously broken, so i just tried it

04 19:47:00 auchter they don't exactly stop what their working on to help someone with a new problem

04 19:47:00 quark_ whatever

04 19:47:00 quark_ i thought it was pretty lame it would take 2 hours to get a new one

04 19:48:00 quark_ nobody else was there

04 19:48:00 collinjc Plus, it is often difficult to determine that a power supply is nonfunctional as it is heavily dependent upon the positioning of the cord.

04 19:48:00 collinjc Wait, why am I sticking up for IAIT?

04 19:48:00 quark_ wait

04 19:48:00 quark_ if the positing of the cord matters wouldn't t hat mean its broken

04 19:49:00 collinjc Yes, it would. But in many cases, it has to be in a certain position to -stop- functioning. In the case of my old one, it would work probably 90% of the time, but if you got the cord in that one spot, it would stop.

04 19:50:00 collinjc So it took a while for me to prove it to them.

04 19:50:00 Morasique collinjc: that happened to me too, it was good times

04 19:50:00 auchter collinjc: same here

04 19:50:00 auchter it was rather annoying when your battery was worthless

04 19:51:00 collinjc Yeah, that's my problem as well. Though 20 minutes is a lot better than what some people are getting.

04 19:53:00 quark_ maybe thats the problem with mine

04 19:53:00 Morasique i love python: http://renesd.blogspot.com/2007/09/python-3000-breaks-hello-world.html

04 19:57:00 andy753421 Morasique: yes.. at least that's more sane now

04 20:00:00 Morasique yeah, it was a little odd to have that one exception

04 20:00:00 auchter gah, i hate it when i try to compile a module and it complains about undefined symbols

04 20:00:00 auchter goes to recompile his kernel.

04 20:01:00 quark_ aren't they just warnings?

04 20:02:00 auchter nope

04 20:04:00 auchter if it wasn't for having to boot a new kernel, this machine would hardly ever get shut down

04 20:04:00 quark_ why do you have to?

04 20:05:00 auchter ...because i need bridgingsupport in  my kernel

04 20:05:00 auchter time to reboot.

04 20:05:00 andy753421 kexec!

04 20:25:00 auchter i usually have no problem with qemu and networking, but tonight i copied a VM to my laptop and it's refusing to do networking with both -net user and -net tap

04 20:35:00 tommost Beautiful: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.0.4/VBoxGuestAdditions_2.0.4.iso

04 20:35:00 tommost Sun++

04 20:36:00 Morasique auchter: http://www.ksplice.com/

04 20:37:00 collinjc Every time sun acquires a new project, I cry a little.

04 20:37:00 collinjc Especially when it is a project that was at one time really awesome.

04 20:39:00 auchter woo -net user works

04 21:14:00 Morasique ooo. google reader's theme changed

04 21:17:00 tommost Awww, it broke the stylesheet I was using.

04 21:17:00 Morasique this is what happens when you question google

04 21:17:00 Morasique bad things

04 21:17:00 tommost http://helvetireader.com/

04 21:17:00 Morasique recoils from the mac screenshot

04 21:18:00 Morasique http://www.sonnyradio.com/dialupkid.htm

04 21:19:00 auchter wow

04 21:19:00 Morasique that pretty much made my day

04 21:19:00 Morasique i want the animation to play in the background all the time

04 21:20:00 tommost :)

04 21:20:00 Morasique also, it just occurred to me that the dial up noises would make an excellent alarm sound

04 21:28:00 Morasique Blazeix: they were making fun of iait earlier. i stuck up for you

04 21:28:00 Morasique in a way

04 21:34:00 Blazeix Morasique: I think I'm going to have to side with quark_ here, It takes us <5 minutes to check a power adapter

04 21:34:00 Blazeix plus we had a light load today at IAIT

04 21:35:00 Morasique "us" isn't very specific, there's a broad range of talent at iait

04 21:36:00 Blazeix yeah, but the hardware people are relatively competent.

04 21:36:00 Blazeix not that I'm biased or anything

04 22:14:00 tommost Blazeix: Would you happen to know whether you have any nw8440 trackpoints available?

04 22:14:00 Blazeix I can check tomorrow, but we don't usually have any.

04 22:14:00 tommost :(

04 22:14:00 Blazeix We grab those off of broken keyboards as they go by

04 22:15:00 tommost Whoever designed this keyboard needs to be shot with rubber bullets formed from the remains of little blue trackpoints.

04 22:15:00 tommost I truly loathe whoever designed this piece of shit.

04 22:16:00 tommost Also, whoever at IAIT decided that it shouldn't get fixed as a matter of course.

04 22:17:00 tommost Is there even a way for me to pay to get it fixed?

04 22:17:00 auchter i got mine replaced without asking

04 22:17:00 auchter i promptly threw it away as it interfered with my typing

04 22:17:00 tommost auchter: I hate you.

04 22:46:00 tommost Swapping is fun!!!

04 22:52:00 tommost What's the going rate for 2 GB of RAM for a laptop these days?

04 22:53:00 auchter that seems like a question best answered by newegg

04 22:53:00 tommost Every time I try to find it there I only get pairs of 1 GB sticks, which is useless to me.

04 22:53:00 tommost I'm trying, though.

04 22:59:00 tommost It appears to be $20 + shipping.

04 23:02:00 auchter wow.  i should buy a stick or two.

04 23:06:00 tommost http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134513

04 23:06:00 tommost This is compatible, correct?

04 23:07:00 auchter i think so

04 23:09:00 tommost Wow, hard disks are cheap now.

04 23:09:00 tommost Even not on special deals.

04 23:32:00 Morasique tommost: you could install gentoo for free

04 23:33:00 tommost Um, what does that have to do with anything?

04 23:40:00 Morasique i'm blaming ubuntu for your ram problems

04 23:40:00 Morasique i also suspect python is to blame

04 23:58:00 tommost Okay, so I seem to have run out of swap there.  Everything locked up and I couldn't even switch terminals.

04 23:59:00 Morasique tommost: if you completely ran out of memory it would've started killing processes

05 00:00:00 tommost I waited for a couple of minutes for that to happen.

05 00:01:00 Morasique did you try alt+sysrq+e/i?

05 00:01:00 tommost I've never been able to get those to work, so I didn't bother.

05 00:01:00 Morasique none of them? that's strange

05 00:03:00 Morasique http://kukuklok.com/

05 00:03:00 tommost I'm guessing my VM won't be happy about being shut down midway through the download of SQL Server 2005 SP2.

05 00:05:00 Morasique tommost: do it anyway; don't let it push you around

05 00:08:00 Blazeix for the sysrq keys, make sure that the file /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq contains 1

05 00:08:00 Blazeix for some reason a lot of distros disable the sysrq keys by default

05 00:09:00 Morasique ubuntu doesn't though

05 00:09:00 Morasique unless i'm remembering wrong

05 00:09:00 tommost You're right; it's 1.

05 00:10:00 Morasique you should hit alt+sysrq+b and see if your computer restarts

05 00:10:00 Morasique :)

05 00:10:00 tommost Nope. ;)

05 01:19:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m38491f4

05 01:19:00 Morasique yep. i'm a god

05 01:45:00 Blazeix when he said basic X environment, maybe he meant TWM?

05 01:45:00 Blazeix or whatever the default wm for X is.

05 01:46:00 tommost I wish twm didn't suck so much; otherwise I'd want to use it because it's name is awesome.

05 01:47:00 Blazeix tommost: haha

05 01:51:00 Morasique i asked, he meant not-gnome or kde. and twm was invented by satan

05 01:56:00 Blazeix out of curiosity, I googled for TWM themes.

05 01:56:00 Blazeix I found a bunch of themes for other WMs that give them the twm look

05 01:57:00 Morasique people make me sad

05 01:58:00 Blazeix from the wikipedia twm entry:

05 01:58:00 Blazeix To save Tom LaStrange from being blamed for any of the massive numbers of changes that have been done to twm since he gave up control of it, the name "twm" now stands for "Tab Window Manager".

05 01:58:00 Morasique nice

05 02:00:00 Morasique i can't switch window managers, i don't know why. if i do some-wm --replace i always get the error "a windows manager is already running". apparently "replace" is unclear

05 02:00:00 Morasique s/windows/window/

05 02:03:00 Morasique also, i do have slay from plan9port, but it doesn't seem to do anything

05 02:03:00 Morasique in particular, it doesn't slay things

05 02:03:00 auchter slau | rc

05 02:03:00 auchter e.g. slay init | rc

05 02:04:00 Morasique oh, i see

05 02:04:00 Morasique cool

05 02:04:00 auchter oit

05 02:04:00 auchter it's nice becasue it combines pgrep and kill into 1

05 02:05:00 Morasique well, so does pkill

05 02:05:00 auchter this is still cooler

05 02:28:00 Morasique well yes; it's named slay

05 02:28:00 Morasique instant win

05 03:11:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m6938f79a

05 03:11:00 Morasique it really did stop for ten seconds

05 13:18:00 quark_ any of you peole tried kde 4.2?

05 13:38:00 Morasique this is a solid idea: http://bunkandrambling.com/2006/05/24/ide-feature-request-the-yagni-development-assistant/

05 13:38:00 Morasique the worst part of switching to linux was losing clippy

05 13:38:00 Morasique they should add it to vim and emacs too

05 13:39:00 quark_ they have it

05 13:39:00 quark_ you need a special version of vim though I think

05 13:40:00 andy753421 http://pix.mybll.de/vim.gif

05 13:40:00 quark_ yeah thats what I was thinking of

05 13:41:00 auchter how the hell do i get windows to stop popping bubbles up all over?

05 13:42:00 auchter it's really annoying

05 13:42:00 Morasique it's in mmc somewhere

05 13:42:00 Morasique or the registry: http://www.winbookcorp.com/_technote/WBTA20000902.htm

05 13:42:00 andy753421 what the hell are you talking about?

05 13:42:00 auchter Morasique: awesome, thanks

05 13:43:00 Morasique andy753421: you've never seen windows notification bubbles? they pop up every 4 seconds

05 13:43:00 andy753421 i haven't used windows in like 5 years

05 13:43:00 Morasique http://murphymac.com/slib/images/disable-windows-xp-notification-bubbles-balloons.png

05 13:43:00 andy753421 they didn't seem to be a problem back then

05 13:43:00 Morasique i don't care as long as they timeout, some of them don't though

05 13:44:00 Morasique and you have to click the little x to close them, if you click the bubble usually it runs some program instead

05 15:45:00 Morasique cs lab quote: "i like eclipse because it tells me i have an error before i compile"

05 15:45:00 Morasique reinforcing my theory that people see eclipse as magic

05 15:47:00 andy753421 Morasique: that might actually be true, if they're referring to java..

05 15:48:00 andy753421 since eclipse made their own java compiler, i wouldn't be surprised if they don't do a full compilation for error checking..

05 15:48:00 andy753421 but i think you theory is still valid

05 15:49:00 Morasique they made their own java lexer, i thought they used the actual java compiler for full compilations. so it can catch syntax errors without a full build i suppose

05 15:49:00 Morasique i'm sure that's what they were thinking too :)

05 15:49:00 Morasique i need to not eavesdrop in the cs lab. it always makes me sad

05 15:51:00 andy753421 they have their own compiler, gcc is [going to be] using it for the gcj

05 15:51:00 andy753421 (for the front end that is)

05 15:52:00 Morasique hmm. that's cool

05 16:08:00 andy753421 I hate webpages that puts [+]'s or ►'s next to leaf nodes

05 16:08:00 andy753421 (links to leaf nodes)

05 20:16:00 auchter let's see if gentoo's crossdev can handle setting up an ARM toolchain...

05 20:16:00 auchter it failed horribly at an avr toolchain last time, but this is a bit more common

05 20:17:00 tommost What's ARM for?

05 20:17:00 andy753421 HAND

05 20:17:00 auchter for a lego nxt set

05 20:17:00 auchter andy753421++

05 20:18:00 auchter hey, it failed already.  cool.

05 20:19:00 auchter oh, it looks like it was my fault

05 20:20:00 tommost auchter: You should do a presentation on setting up cross-compilation.

05 20:20:00 auchter it's rather distro specific, unless you want to do it manually (which i don't)

05 20:21:00 tommost Well, then you should do a presentation on doing it for Ubuntu. ;)

05 20:22:00 auchter i think there are packages for different architectures in ubuntu

05 20:23:00 auchter i don't know why they don't do that for gentoo

05 20:23:00 tommost What I want to do is develop/fix apps for my Nokia 770.

05 20:23:00 auchter ARM?

05 20:24:00 tommost Yeah.

05 20:24:00 andy753421 auchter: they do for blackfin ;)

05 20:25:00 andy753421 but you know, why be consistent

05 20:25:00 auchter they also have a crossdev for blackfin, oddly enough

05 20:25:00 andy753421 i wonder if you can install *two* blackfin toolchains

05 20:27:00 auchter crossdev just scare me

05 20:27:00 auchter any software that outputs this as a separator (and uses emoticons) is rather annoying:

05 20:27:00 auchter  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _  -  ~  -  _

05 20:31:00 auchter eh, i give up on crossdev, i found a script to do it for me.

05 20:45:00 auchter so i'm actually rather impressed at the lego NXT

05 20:45:00 auchter it's pretty much completely open.  lego has downloads for the firmware source, all schematics for the hardware, etc.

05 21:12:00 andy753421 anyone ever heard of a way of embedding images in a plain text file such that it converts to a PDF but keeps formatting?

05 21:38:00 Morasique http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7hpcx/what_is_your_coding_tick_i_hit_all_arow_keys_in/c06onuc

05 22:24:00 andy753421 or if anyone knows how to convert an x11 (or .pcf) font to a .afm that would be great too ;)

05 22:29:00 Morasique andy753421: you ask hard questions. want to know how to copy a file?

05 22:31:00 andy753421 well.. i got it converted to a .bdf

05 22:32:00 Morasique i don't know what any of those are, but alphabetically you're doing quite well

05 22:33:00 andy753421 oh, i can convert a .bdf to a postscript file

05 22:36:00 Morasique is that good?

05 22:37:00 andy753421 well, postscript is close to PDF, which must be related to a font type that is embedded in a pdf

05 22:37:00 Morasique this sounds quite complicated

05 22:37:00 andy753421 all i want is to make a PDF that uses the fixed font

05 22:51:00 andy753421 ooh, i found a shady looking perl script on geocities to do it

05 22:52:00 andy753421 but it doesn't support unicode :(

05 22:52:00 andy753421 wait, maybe it does

05 22:54:00 Morasique you downloaded a perl script from geocities. wow :)

05 22:57:00 andy753421 aww, the development version has utf8 support but causes unrecoverable errors in the ps file

05 23:43:00 andy753421 go figure, in plan9 it's lp -dstdout -f<font> <file.txt | ps2pdf >file.pdf

05 23:48:00 andy753421 wow, it even worked perfectly with unicode box drawing characters...

05 23:56:00 andy753421 apparently there's Plan 9 Anime, or something: http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Plan-9-tan-and-Inferno-chan-104126709

05 23:59:00 Morasique that's how i always pictured unix: http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Multics-sama-and-Unix-sama-104126301

06 00:08:00 andy753421 apparently there are entire webpages dedicated to this.. http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Main_Page

06 00:25:00 andy753421 anyone use a fancy bibtex editor?

06 00:27:00 auchter andy753421: what do you mean by bibtex editor?

06 00:28:00 andy753421 something that tells me what @whatever to use and what all the fields are

06 00:28:00 auchter in the past most of my sources have been from online databases like JSTOR which give you the bibtex citation, so i just copied and pasted

06 00:34:00 Morasique i only use like three different @thingies, so it's not really necessary

06 00:35:00 andy753421 apparently i've been needing to use @inproceedings a lot but never realized it existed

06 00:36:00 Morasique i think that's the one i use most, and @unpublished

06 00:36:00 auchter there's a wikipedia page detailing all the @'s that i've used in the past

06 00:37:00 andy753421 xfbib looks pretty nice

06 00:37:00 andy753421 someone should just make a vim autocommand for it

06 00:37:00 auchter i'm sure someone has

06 00:37:00 auchter also, someone needs to make an autocomplete for zsh for mkfiles

06 00:38:00 andy753421 ?

06 00:38:00 andy753421 you mean `mk \t' <list of targets>?

06 00:39:00 auchter yep

06 00:40:00 auchter i suppose i should just research how to do it

06 00:41:00 auchter andy753421: while i'm thinking of it, do you have the vim highlight files for mk and rc anywhere accesible?

06 00:41:00 andy753421 yea

06 00:43:00 auchter cool, where?

06 00:43:00 andy753421 oh, wait, you said accessable

06 00:43:00 andy753421 hold on a bit

06 00:51:00 andy753421 edit /usr/share/zsh/<version>functions/Completion/Unix/_make and add mk to the first line, and copy lines 149,150 for mkfile

06 00:51:00 andy753421 then rm ~/.zcompdump and restart the shell

06 00:54:00 andy753421 vim indent files suck :(

06 00:55:00 auchter why's that? your files worked pretty well for me at work this summer

06 00:56:00 auchter and the zsh completion works great, thanks

06 00:59:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/User:Andy753421/rc.vim, http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/User:Andy753421/mk.vim

06 01:00:00 auchter fantastic, thanks

06 01:00:00 andy753421 I should really finish those sometime

06 01:01:00 auchter the default syntax highlighting was annoying, especiallywith things like $#

06 01:01:00 auchter if i get around to fixing anything i'll let you know

06 01:02:00 andy753421 alright, the mk one (which I use the most) has everything that I ever use in it

06 01:07:00 auchter i guess i'll have to look at some other vim highlighting scripts, because i'd like the reserved words to be higlighted and such

06 01:07:00 andy753421 for rc?

06 01:07:00 auchter yeah

06 01:08:00 andy753421 do something like the coreUtils line in rc.vim but put in the rc keywords instead

06 01:10:00 auchter yep, that looks better: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-12-06_06:08:19_1920x1200.png

06 01:11:00 andy753421 aah, don't put it on the coreUtils line ...

06 01:11:00 andy753421 if is not a core utils :P

06 01:12:00 auchter it probably will be soon ;)

06 01:13:00 andy753421 just edit my wiki page if/when you fix it

06 01:13:00 auchter i'll do that once i do a non-hackish solution

06 01:14:00 andy753421 alright

06 01:14:00 auchter i'm not about to think about how to do it properly tonight

06 02:51:00 MrBucket101 Does anyone here have maple12 working in conjunction with compiz, I have tried the changing the toolkit variable within the xmaple file and I'm now getting an error file like this http://pastebin.com/m5807e079

06 03:55:00 andy753421 troff FTW

06 12:41:00 auchter andy753421: what'd you use troff for?

06 12:43:00 auchter also, could an ubuntu user who has VPN working post their /etc/ppp/options.pptp and /etc/ppp/peers/(whatever) files somewhere?

06 13:38:00 tommost http://al3x.net/2008/10/22/on-flight-to-old-text-editors.html

06 14:01:00 Morasique tommost: he's a mac user, whatever he said is irrelevant

06 14:02:00 Morasique he's also very confused how emacs customization works

06 14:02:00 Morasique he's anti-vim too; what does he use, texmtate?

06 14:02:00 Morasique s/mt/tm/

06 14:03:00 tommost Well, he's a Mac users, so that's inevitable.

06 14:04:00 Morasique we were talking on reddit about programming ticks like repeatedly saving a file even when you haven't changed anything, it occurred to me that really good vim users probably sit there subconsciously shifting a set of lines around really fast, which would amuse me to watch

06 14:12:00 Morasique i have two firefox windows open: http://mrozekma.com/firefox.png

06 14:12:00 Morasique i'm confused

06 14:13:00 Morasique now i have no windows open and nothing changed

06 15:08:00 Morasique http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/moriacc.html

06 15:34:00 Morasique :D they just banned anyone signed into their computer as root from #gentoo-chat

06 15:37:00 tommost Hehe.

06 15:55:00 Morasique i don't remember if i mentioned it in here, there was a greasemonkey script that modified amazon pages to show links to pirate bay for things if they existed, apparently amazon sent them a takedown notice and got it removed. i can't imagine how they legally managed that

06 16:13:00 Blazeix Yeah, there was an interesting story on slashdot about that yesterday

06 16:14:00 Blazeix http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/12/06/0321205.shtml

06 17:10:00 andy753421 auchter: I'm using it for my image recognition homework

06 17:10:00 andy753421 `.BP <image.ps>' is way easier than dealing with latex in order to embed graphics

06 17:11:00 andy753421 also, anything so archaic that it looks like compiler output has got to be good ;)

06 17:12:00 andy753421 Morasique: i usually don't move lines around.. but i do `:wall' quite often

06 17:13:00 auchter andy753421: cool (on the troff stuff)

06 18:56:00 auchter http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Cadence_IUS#Off-Campus_Use

06 18:56:00 auchter that will probably also work for matlab and such too, but it might use a different port

06 18:57:00 auchter i'm happy i finally got that to work though, setting up a VPN in linux is frustrating

06 22:00:00 auchter gah, i install the new fglrx drivers and now X starts at 800x600 when i specify 1920x1200

06 22:05:00 auchter ... i downgrade to 8.10 and it still starts at 800x600

06 22:35:00 auchter fglrx 8.9 8.10 and 8.11 all only start in 800x600 for me

06 22:35:00 auchter i finally just installed radeonhd, and now i'm back to 1920x1200

06 22:35:00 tommost radeonhd++

06 22:36:00 auchter now let's see how it performs for watching a movie, which was the whole reason i installed the new version of fglrx (the old module got deleted in the process of a kernel upgrade)

06 22:37:00 tommost Use Totem; it does some sort of deep magic to make it work. ;)

06 22:37:00 auchter video works, i'm just wondering how well

07 01:37:00 Morasique thank you amazon: http://mrozekma.com/amazon.png

07 18:19:00 tommost auchter++

07 18:20:00 povilusr-laptop we should make a #230help

07 18:20:00 auchter ask in here or #rhnoise

07 18:20:00 povilusr-laptop @Test(expected = NoSuchElementException.class)

07 18:20:00 povilusr-laptop what do i need to throw to mee that

07 18:21:00 povilusr-laptop im throwing throw new NoSuchElementException();

07 18:21:00 povilusr-laptop and it dosent work

07 18:21:00 povilusr-laptop what does the .class mean

07 18:36:00 povilusr-laptop anyone?

07 18:38:00 tommost Java--

07 18:41:00 andy753421 *reads the log*

07 18:46:00 andy753421 well, i apparently can't run java anymore

07 18:48:00 tommost Well, no loss there.

07 18:48:00 andy753421 ah, i apparently have to tell it to look in the current directory for files ...

07 18:59:00 Morasique povilusr-laptop: it works fine for me

07 18:59:00 Morasique @Test(expected=IndexOutOfBoundsException.class) public void foo() {throw new IndexOutOfBoundsException();} passes

07 19:14:00 Morasique btw, a girl might come to lug on thursday, she's having problems installing ubuntu

07 19:14:00 Morasique for os

07 19:15:00 Morasique we should really stick to the standard installfest method, it seems to result in fewer prolonged problems

07 19:15:00 andy753421 what was the os installfest method?

07 19:15:00 Morasique i mean the method of them doing it in class, as opposed to us running it in the evening

07 23:24:00 Morasique crickets?

07 23:31:00 auchter *cricket*

07 23:58:00 crickets chirp

08 00:04:00 Morasique tommost: nicely done

08 00:04:00 crickets bow

08 00:05:00 Morasique andy753421: are you doing a presentation on your compiler this week?

08 00:06:00 andy753421 yes

08 02:56:00 Morasique #gentoo-chat is arguing about whether or not uml is good. i didn't know this was ever in doubt

08 02:56:00 andy753421 i think i could make an argument either way

08 08:14:00 povilusr-laptop soooo some guy in 230 was just explaing how ! works to the teacher

08 08:15:00 povilusr-laptop i need to place high voltage pads on the seats and when people are stupid i get to zap them

08 11:49:00 andy753421 auchter: how do you run page from within acme?

08 11:51:00 auchter andy753421: what do you mean by ``within?''

08 11:51:00 auchter i just right click on a file and it gets plumbed to the appropriate reader (quite often page)

08 11:52:00 andy753421 I typed `bla bla bla | page' in acme and the right clicked it to view it and it didn't work

08 11:53:00 andy753421 i get a bunch of windows and some stuff about libdraw

08 11:53:00 andy753421 (acme windows)

08 11:54:00 auchter what was the `bla bla bla'?

08 11:54:00 auchter and shouldn't that be middle click to execute?

08 11:55:00 andy753421 ah, yea i was doing middle click

08 11:55:00 andy753421 it was `troff -mpictures lab2.txt | page'

08 11:57:00 andy753421 or for example `echo hello world | troff | page'

08 12:01:00 auchter strange

08 12:02:00 auchter 9vx just uses a ton of CPU when i try that

08 12:02:00 auchter it says converting to postscript, then reading to postscript

08 12:03:00 andy753421 reading to postscript?

08 12:03:00 andy753421 oh.. n/m

08 12:03:00 auchter s/to/through/

08 12:06:00 auchter #plan9: ``would awk fit the plan9 way though?  isn't the plan9 shell good enugh for everything?''

08 12:38:00 auchter http://www.cs.nyu.edu/courses/fall08/G22.2965-001/geneticalgex

08 12:38:00 auchter that's really cool

08 12:40:00 Morasique this owns: http://www.cs.nyu.edu/courses/fall08/G22.2965-001/geneticalgex

08 12:40:00 Morasique oh,  damn it

08 12:40:00 Morasique stop reading reddit while i am

08 12:41:00 auchter a testament to how awesome that article is

08 13:07:00 auchter anyone know of any good memo classes for latex?

08 13:09:00 Morasique you write memos?

08 13:10:00 auchter i wish i didn't, but some professors seem to think they're a good idea

08 15:10:00 tommost http://ulaluma.com/pyx/archives/2008/12/ptth_reverse_ht.html

08 15:14:00 auchter woo, buzzwords galore ``Plain Old COMET Long Poll''

08 15:15:00 tommost http://indiemaps.com/blog/2008/12/noncontiguous-area-cartograms/ "If you’ve read this far, you probably at least want to see some shit move around or something."

08 15:17:00 tommost I have to say that I like "comet"; it's amusing.

08 15:21:00 auchter i, as i've said before, love the wikipedia page on comet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming)

08 15:22:00 tommost "This section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject."?  Well, before deletionists deleted everything that the experts *wrote* on that page it was doing just fine, thank you.

08 15:22:00 tommost It's seriously about a quarter of the size it once was.

08 15:30:00 auchter that's probably a good thing

08 16:25:00 Morasique auchter: nonsense. deletionists are evil

08 16:37:00 andy753421 Someone should make a script to graph the page size (in bytes) of wikipedia pages

08 17:20:00 andy753421 http://andy753421.ath.cx/files/comet.png

08 17:26:00 auchter andy753421: nice

08 17:26:00 auchter ooh, leap second dec 31

08 18:14:00 auchter hah, plumbing stuff to acme when it's on another tab is fun

08 18:14:00 auchter s/tab/tag/

08 18:15:00 auchter my cursor moves to the new window, but since it's on another tag...

08 18:16:00 andy753421 running acme in p9p?

08 18:16:00 andy753421 i'm too hooked on vim at the moment..

08 18:16:00 andy753421 maybe i'll try switching to dvorak again one of these days and use acme then

08 18:17:00 auchter i use acme for german, since i've gotten used to its method of typing special characters

08 18:17:00 andy753421 ah, alright

08 18:17:00 auchter i use vim for programming.  i'm too hooked on syntax highlighting and semi-smart indentation

08 18:17:00 auchter except for when vim fails

08 18:17:00 auchter like the verilog indent file...

08 18:18:00 auchter i type ``end'' and it goes to the proper position, i complete the statement ``endmodule'' and it indents to the right.

08 18:18:00 andy753421 eh, indentation is way over complicated

08 19:19:00 andy753421 everyone in graduate school seems to be interested on making programming languages where it's harder to shoot yourself in the foot..

08 19:19:00 Morasique i read "running acme in p9p?" as "running acme in php?". that was confusing

08 19:19:00 andy753421 something needs to be done about this unfortunate tend..

08 19:19:00 tommost Yes, let's make a programmable gun.

08 19:19:00 Morasique tommost: best idea EVER

08 19:20:00 andy753421 i bet people would be a lot more careful with pointers if you *actually* got shot each time your code segfaulted

08 19:25:00 auchter a lot of states have laws against computer controlled weapons

08 19:25:00 andy753421 technicalities

08 19:28:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, I probably should've checked that before my robot project :P

08 19:28:00 tommost ZetaSyanthis: When will you be presenting on that?

08 19:28:00 auchter s/weapons/firearms/

08 19:29:00 Morasique auchter: well, we could let the computer take care of those people

08 20:11:00 andy753421 auchter: can you do pipeline branching in rc?

08 20:12:00 andy753421 e.g. `troff ... | lp -dstdout | ps2pdf > file.txt' and `troff ... | page' at the same time?

08 20:17:00 andy753421 n/m, `troff ... | tee >{lp -dstdout | ps2pdf >file.txt} | page'

08 20:17:00 andy753421 *file.pdf

08 20:18:00 tommost Would that syntax work in Bash?

08 20:19:00 andy753421 hmm wait, maybe that didn't work

08 20:20:00 andy753421 oh, apparently I just printed my homework to `stdut'

08 20:20:00 andy753421 tommost: unlikely

08 20:20:00 tommost How would you get equivalent functionality?

08 20:20:00 auchter andy753421: not sure

08 20:21:00 andy753421 tommost: you can use `echo hi | tee >(cat) | cat'

08 20:21:00 tommost Ah, cool.

08 20:21:00 andy753421 although, you're screwed if you want to use the rest of the programs in the pipeline ;)

08 20:22:00 tommost Hm?

08 20:22:00 andy753421 troff | evince == fail

08 20:26:00 tommost Oh, well, I wouldn't be doing that anyway. :)

08 21:37:00 andy753421 can anyone else log into angel?

08 21:37:00 tommost I can.

08 22:04:00 Morasique andy753421: you're trying to trick me into using angel. it won't work!

08 22:04:00 andy753421 hehe, it was something wrong with firefox

08 22:05:00 andy753421 in other news, midori now has support for history

08 22:05:00 andy753421 which means I may be ditching firefox sometime soon

08 22:06:00 tommost OOo... now all it needs is Greasemonkey.

08 22:09:00 collinjc Auchter: Have you finished the mini project for 380?

08 22:11:00 auchter collinjc: nope, you?

08 22:12:00 collinjc Almost. I'm a bit confused though, because following the directions seems to lead to very small phase shifts.

08 22:12:00 collinjc Due to multiplying by the period, which is incredibly small.

08 22:56:00 MrBucket101 hey guys, i was just on the wiki and saw the urban terror link, would anyone happen to have the ZIP archive, its ~700MB and i was just hoping someone would have a local copy

08 22:58:00 auchter paging Morasique

08 23:03:00 Morasique oh, sorry

08 23:03:00 Morasique yeah, i do, hang on

08 23:03:00 MrBucket101 is it in your waste?

08 23:04:00 Morasique i don't think so

08 23:04:00 MrBucket101 yeah i spoke to soon i just checked...NOPE

08 23:05:00 Morasique i don't have the original zip file but i'll archive my directory and send you a link in a minute

08 23:05:00 MrBucket101 as long as it installs fine, im not picky

08 23:05:00 Morasique yeah, i think that's how it comes, you just unarchive it and run it

08 23:06:00 MrBucket101 well that makes my life easier, do you also have the extra maps that they linked to?

08 23:07:00 Morasique i'm not sure what link you're talking about; probably not. you can download maps in the game, if you connect to a server running a map you don't have you just download it automatically

08 23:08:00 MrBucket101 cool

08 23:33:00 Morasique MrBucket101: http://mrozekma.com/urt.rar

08 23:33:00 auchter rar? heathen!

08 23:34:00 tommost Morasique--

08 23:34:00 shatly hi everyone

08 23:35:00 tommost hugs shadghost and glares at shatly

08 23:35:00 shatly hugs tommost

08 23:35:00 shatly sorry i have been away?

08 23:37:00 shatly so hows life down there?

08 23:37:00 tommost Mildly cold but snowless.  In a word, sucky.

08 23:38:00 shatly that does suck

08 23:38:00 tommost It's windy, too.  That's Rose's big failing.  Too much damn wind.

08 23:39:00 shatly come up to fairbanks, we have no wind and snow

08 23:39:00 auchter i think there are other more signficant failings

08 23:40:00 tommost Well, yes, there's Terre Haute.

08 23:42:00 Morasique tommost: except that wind is awesome

08 23:42:00 tommost No, it's not.  I like rain, and wind makes rain less fun.  Therefore wind is not awesome.

08 23:43:00 shatly wind is good for flying kites

08 23:43:00 tommost Yeah, kite flying never worked too well in my hometown.

08 23:43:00 shatly i have a frend that has a 55 foot kite

08 23:44:00 shatly it is fun

08 23:44:00 tommost Sounds dangerous, assuming that's not the length of the string.

08 23:44:00 Morasique if i had a 55 foot kite i would use it to attack people

08 23:45:00 shatly it is the leangth from one end to the outher

08 23:45:00 tommost Rose need a kite club.

08 23:45:00 tommost It would do well here.

08 23:45:00 shatly his 10 foot kite lifts me off the ground

08 23:46:00 tommost You could uproot trees with the 55-footer, I imagine.

08 23:46:00 shatly the 55 foot one requires about 3-7 mph wind, maxes out at about 15 mph

08 23:46:00 auchter i've got a 8ft kite

08 23:46:00 auchter it's fun

08 23:46:00 shatly that is why he has a 10 and a 33 foot kite too

08 23:46:00 shatly what kind?

08 23:47:00 auchter a stunt kite.  i don't know what manufacturer/model

08 23:47:00 shatly ah, his are parafoil mostly

08 23:48:00 auchter i'd assume so, given the 55ft figure

08 23:49:00 shatly the small on is para, the bigger ones are rigged, as in there is are pumped into ridges, it is ment for over water

09 00:05:00 Morasique this tool is pretty nice: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/

09 00:05:00 shatly wow it is the night from hell in modzer0

09 00:06:00 Morasique is quark in there?

09 00:06:00 tommost Morasique: docutils

09 00:06:00 MrBucket101 morasique: have you finished with the urban terror zip?

09 00:06:00 tommost sphinx

09 00:06:00 Morasique MrBucket101: yeah, i sent it to you a while ago

09 00:06:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/urt.rar

09 00:06:00 MrBucket101 on waste?

09 00:06:00 Morasique no, i posted the link here

09 00:07:00 tommost RAR!!! Morasique--

09 00:07:00 MrBucket101 shit, ummm care to send it again?

09 00:07:00 Morasique damn, i'm hemorrhaging points tonight

09 00:07:00 Morasique MrBucket101: i just did

09 00:07:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/urt.rar

09 00:07:00 Morasique braces for point loss

09 00:07:00 Morasique aah! i wasn't ready for that

09 00:08:00 MrBucket101 thx morasique!

09 00:08:00 MrBucket101 Morasique ++

09 00:08:00 Morasique shadghost: every nick is worse than the one before

09 00:08:00 jboticsource anybody in here want to go to ihop?

09 00:08:00 Morasique yes, but i don't really have time at the moment

09 00:08:00 tommost ...no.

09 00:08:00 tommost Disco calls.

09 00:09:00 Morasique -v tommost

09 00:09:00 jboticsource i am completely out of food :(

09 00:09:00 tommost jboticsource: Kroger.

09 00:09:00 Morasique i think some stores sell food

09 00:09:00 MrBucket101 Walmart is closer

09 00:09:00 tommost (Since I don't imagine Baesler's is open.)

09 00:09:00 tommost MrBucket101: He's looking for food.

09 00:09:00 MrBucket101 Walmart sells food...

09 00:10:00 Morasique in a sense

09 00:10:00 tommost Have you tried to buy produce there?  It's scary.

09 00:10:00 MrBucket101 lol i buy my meat from there

09 00:10:00 tommost Not fish, I hope.

09 00:10:00 MrBucket101 nah, just chicken and steak

09 00:10:00 auchter tommost: Baesler's is open 24/7

09 00:10:00 tommost You mean "steak".

09 00:10:00 tommost auchter: Awesome.

09 00:10:00 MrBucket101 to grille up on the George foreman

09 00:10:00 tommost Now I just need a car...

09 00:11:00 MrBucket101 whats the difference between steak and "steak"

09 00:11:00 tommost One doesn't contain some of the ingredients the other one does.

09 00:11:00 MrBucket101 ummm aren't they both just calf meat

09 00:11:00 MrBucket101 cow meat****

09 00:12:00 shatly sorry, modzer0 tubes are being finicy and letting a frend borrow account

09 00:12:00 auchter does walmart even sell choice meat? or is it all select?

09 00:12:00 tommost One of them contains scary chemicals; the other doesn't.

09 00:12:00 MrBucket101 I'm not sure, I'm not too picky, i just walk over and pick up a nice sized ribeye and walk away

09 00:13:00 MrBucket101 to me it all tastes the same, if i had a real grille though, it'd all be a different story

09 00:13:00 auchter yeah, i wish i could have a grille.

09 00:13:00 auchter i've taken to using a cast iron pan for steaks, though

09 00:13:00 MrBucket101 i mean the GF grille, dries out most of the steak b/c of just how it cooks the meat

09 00:14:00 MrBucket101 or if the grilles on campus weren't nasty as hell and had covers

09 00:15:00 tommost MrBucket101: You should make the ribs that auchter made the other day.

09 00:15:00 MrBucket101 I'm not a big rib guy, i hate eating with my fingers

09 00:15:00 auchter http://koreanfood.about.com/od/meatdishes/r/galbijim.htm

09 00:15:00 auchter i ate them with chopsticks, so they should be fine

09 00:16:00 MrBucket101 holy shit, I do not have the patience to cook something for 2 hours lol

09 00:16:00 tommost auchter: Where did you find the Asian pear?

09 00:17:00 auchter i didn't, i just omitted it

09 00:17:00 tommost Ah.

09 00:18:00 MrBucket101 anyways, i've got some DE to do, so im out

09 00:18:00 MrBucket101 thx Morasique, later

09 00:20:00 Morasique i'm confused, he has urban terror now, yet he continues to do homework

09 00:21:00 tommost Yes, how odd.

09 00:24:00 Morasique eh. he'll learn

09 00:39:00 tommost Gah, I just did a disco problem misreading ∩ for ∪.

09 00:40:00 tommost Fortunately, the next problem is exactly the same but with ∪ instead of ∩.  Boring, but at least my work counted for something.

09 00:40:00 Morasique i assume i'm not supposed to be seeing question marks right now

09 00:40:00 Morasique ah. logview to the rescue

09 00:41:00 tommost No; you should use a utf-8 compatible IRC client.

09 00:41:00 tommost You must see question marks in a lot of what I say.

09 00:42:00 Morasique not really, you don't use odd characters much

09 00:42:00 Morasique your interrobang usage in particular has declined, it's a little disappointing

09 00:42:00 tommost I'll endeavor to correct that.

09 00:42:00 tommost I still use em dashes fairly frequently.  And the other day I was using combining characters.

09 00:44:00 Morasique oh. maybe i just ignore you then :)

09 00:47:00 tommost :(

09 00:48:00 tommost s/:(/☹/

09 01:58:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: have you done anything with GPGPU?

09 01:59:00 auchter (more apt here than #rhnoise)

09 02:04:00 ZetaSyanthis I suppose

09 02:04:00 ZetaSyanthis not yet, but I'm planning to start playing with it this quarter

09 02:05:00 tommost mutters something about image processing for the Robotics Team

09 02:05:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm taking Mu's face recognition and going to poke at it through that

09 02:56:00 octavious god. its that time of year again that i get re-addicted to nethack

09 04:01:00 Morasique oh, woot off. yay

09 04:07:00 octavious the cameras been up there forever

09 04:07:00 octavious i think you need one

09 04:16:00 Morasique well now i clearly need a 5-piece electronic drum kit

09 04:16:00 Morasique i also clearly need to go to sleep. that's a less pressing need than the drum kit though

09 12:39:00 Morasique ooo. 750gb hard drive on woot for $60

09 12:40:00 Morasique oh, it's refurbished. sadness

09 12:43:00 Morasique i could transfer the contents of three externals to that one drive

09 12:43:00 Morasique ooooo

09 12:55:00 Morasique this is cool: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3516746&Sku=T925-1219

09 12:55:00 Morasique damn, those headphones are nice too. since when does woot have things i want?

09 14:37:00 auchter this rocks: http://mathbin.net/3168

09 14:44:00 collinjc It does. It would be better if I could figure out how to search within the site though.

09 14:46:00 collinjc Though I suppose that is not its purpose.

09 14:47:00 collinjc Search would make it a handy resource for proper latex equations though.

09 14:52:00 Morasique that's a really good idea

09 14:52:00 Morasique much better than yet another normal pastebin

09 16:50:00 tommost I really don't see why Pidgin sees a need to sever my existing connection whenever I connect my Ethernet cable.

09 16:51:00 tommost It's not like it'll make a difference in the performance of IRC to use a 100 Mbps connection instead of 802.11g.

09 16:52:00 auchter you sure that's not something other than pidgin?

09 16:53:00 tommost Not really.  But the WiFi interface is still up, including having an IP address, so what would do that?

09 16:58:00 auchter have the routes changed?

09 16:59:00 tommost Probably.

09 16:59:00 tommost I'll check next time.

09 17:00:00 tommost Actually, I don't think that they would—both interfaces are on the same subnet.

09 17:02:00 auchter but the interface is part of the route itself

09 17:03:00 tommost Well, I currently have routes to the subnet via both interfaces.  eth0 comes before eth1, though, so I suppose it gets precedence.

09 17:03:00 tommost Oh, yeah, eth0 has a smaller metric.

09 18:26:00 andy753421 tommost: i blame nm-applet

09 18:26:00 tommost You would.

09 18:27:00 tommost I don't, though.  I *want* to be connected to both of them; I just don't want my existing connections to get broken.

09 18:28:00 andy753421 well, i was assuming that nm-applet somehow disables the existing connection in preference of the Ethernet connection

09 18:28:00 tommost The old version did that; it's a prominent feature of the new version that it does support multiple connections, however.

09 18:29:00 andy753421 you should try manually connecting sometime and see if it's pidgin fault or nm-applet's fault

09 18:30:00 tommost I don't really understand why it would be either one's fault; auchter's suggestion that the routing tables are to blame makes the most sense.

09 18:31:00 tommost My routes: http://dpaste.com/97551/

09 18:31:00 tommost (eth0 is Ethernet; eth1 is wireless.)

09 18:31:00 andy753421 would changing the routing tables effect existing connections though?

09 18:32:00 andy753421 i suppose it might

09 18:33:00 tommost Actually, as I think about it more it shouldn't make a difference since they're both on the same subnet.  Even if Pidgin's outgoing packets get routed out eth0, the returning packets will still be able to return via eth1.

09 18:33:00 tommost Unless there is something interface-specific in how connections are handled.

09 18:33:00 tommost I suppose there probably is.

09 18:34:00 andy753421 i doubt you can have packets go out one interface and in another

09 18:34:00 auchter yeah, funny things like mac addresses get in the way

09 18:34:00 andy753421 i think the problem is that the default route for eth1 was deleted when the default route for eth0 was added

09 18:34:00 tommost auchter: I don't think the IP layer cares about those.

09 18:35:00 tommost Oh, that would make sense.

09 18:35:00 tommost Unfortunately, I *do* want that to change.

09 18:36:00 andy753421 i doubt you have kernel/userspace support for handling packets on multiple interfaces

09 18:36:00 tommost If I plug in it's because I want to be able to access my server better.

09 18:37:00 andy753421 (isn't there a kernel module for something like that, other than sctp that is)

09 18:37:00 andy753421 tommost: you can have default routes for both interfaces,

09 18:37:00 andy753421 i believe the kernel will pick the first one?

09 18:37:00 tommost Oh, you can have more than one?  Will it try to do load balancing or something?

09 18:38:00 andy753421 doubt it, `default' is just a fancy way of saying 0.0.0.0 so it's no different than your 137.112.136.0  destination

09 18:38:00 andy753421 (see `route -n')

09 18:39:00 andy753421 right now your eth1 is non functional: `ping -i eth1 google.com'

09 18:39:00 andy753421 s/i/I/

09 18:39:00 andy753421 ooh, that could be magic

09 18:40:00 tommost Yeah, From york.local (137.112.136.75) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable

09 18:40:00 andy753421 you might be able to add a route to use yourself as a gateway and then reroute eth1 traffic though eth0

09 18:42:00 andy753421 something like `route add default gw <eth1 ip address> dev eth1' and then `echo 1 > /proc/sys/new/ipv4/ip_forward'

09 18:43:00 tommost Hmmm... I sense that you are trying to pry my beloved Network Manager from my fingers.  Unless I am mistaken, I'll need manual scripting to make this all work automatically.

09 18:43:00 andy753421 ...

09 18:43:00 andy753421 well, i'm going over to the cs lab

09 18:47:00 tommost WHY DOESN'T THUNDERBIRD SUPPORT CTRL-SCROLL TO SCALE TEXT‽‽‽

09 18:47:00 tommost stabs Mozilla's abandonware unit in the face

09 18:47:00 auchter use perl;

09 18:47:00 auchter erm, s/perl;/mutt/

09 18:48:00 tommost That's actually on my TODO list.

09 20:33:00 Morasique curt sent me an e-mail telling me i had a 33gb file on addiator's /scratch, i was concerned for a minute. turns out it's 33mb

09 20:34:00 auchter why would he send you an email like that?

09 20:35:00 Morasique it was world-readable, he said he figured it probably wasn't supposed to be

09 20:35:00 Morasique it was a portage archive, so it didn't matter. i'm not sure why i had it on there

09 20:46:00 tommost Well, I seem to have acquired a working computer from the ECE free stuff table.

09 20:46:00 tommost The table's going to have to work to top this one.

09 20:49:00 Morasique tommost: you should give it to me, don't you have like 45 computers?

09 20:50:00 tommost Not unless you count the ones that don't work.

09 20:50:00 tommost This is more or less accurate: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/User:Tomwm

09 20:52:00 Morasique tommost: you're still beating me, and as we all know, lug is a communist organization. you'll have to turn over the new machine to me

09 20:53:00 tommost Morasique: There's another machine sitting on the table, if you're interested.

09 20:53:00 Morasique tommost: but it's so far :'(

09 21:01:00 auchter oo...

09 21:02:00 kleinjt auchter just ditched the remains of the electrical meeting, possibly to get the computer. I should leave before he comes back for his stuff.

09 21:04:00 tommost kleinjt: He'll be disappointed.  It's a Celeron 900 or thereabouts.

09 21:05:00 Morasique tommost: i figured if you didn't take it it must be terrible

09 21:05:00 tommost Morasique: Or I couldn't carry two.

09 21:05:00 tommost If it has ISA slots I'd be interested, but I doubt it does.

09 21:06:00 tommost I was actually mostly interested in the case of the one I took; I was somewhat surprised that it's not gutted.

09 21:06:00 tommost The other one had a hideous case. One of those bulbous white Compaq ones.

09 21:08:00 auchter woo, celerons rock

09 21:09:00 tommost auchter: Have fun.

09 21:10:00 auchter i think a celeron 900 will be faster than the via ``1GHz'' (hint: it's actually 600MHz) processor that one of my computers currently has

09 21:10:00 auchter oh, and the via is i586, not i686.

09 21:14:00 tommost These Dell P4 boxes run soooo quiet and cool.

09 21:15:00 auchter oh, mine's only 800MHz.

09 21:15:00 auchter that likely won't be a significant change from what i currently am using

09 21:15:00 auchter and actually, i really don't have the space... anyone want it/

09 21:18:00 auchter hm, i think i'll drop it on the CS free stuff table...

09 21:18:00 auchter (after harvesting the cd-rw drive, of course)

09 21:19:00 Morasique auchter: are you offering a computer or a processor?

09 21:19:00 Morasique i'll take any computer that works pretty much no matter how slow

09 21:19:00 auchter a computer

09 21:19:00 Morasique ooo

09 21:20:00 tommost Morasique: What do you need it for?

09 21:21:00 tommost auchter: What are you doing with a Via processor, anyway?

09 21:22:00 auchter tommost: all it does is run mpd

09 21:22:00 auchter and mount an nfs share, so it doesn't need to be powerful

09 21:22:00 auchter i can't get the bloody cdrw out, i don't know what kind of voodoo they're using to hold it in

09 21:23:00 tommost auchter: Yeah, those cases are terrible.

09 21:23:00 tommost Mine's 2.0 Ghz!  That's better than my other P4!

09 21:23:00 auchter ok, it's going on the CS free stuff table

09 21:23:00 tommost But it won't boot to a flash drive. :(

09 21:25:00 tommost I am cursed by computers that won't boot to the flash drive I got to run them from.  What am I supposed to do, use a CD-ROM like a boot floppy?

09 21:27:00 Morasique auchter: cd-rw drives are about $2

09 21:27:00 tommost Yeah, I have a ton of them.  They just sort of build up.

09 21:28:00 tommost I have a server with two drives in it because that was the easiest way to store them.  They're not even powered.

09 21:31:00 tommost Kickass: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/11/15/usb-boot-cd-for-ubuntu-810/

09 21:33:00 tommost Wish I'd found that before I sprung for a 500 GB HDD to make my other system boot. :(

09 21:37:00 tommost The computer I picked up came with a Windows XP Pro SP2 CD in the CD-ROM drive.  I'm amused.

09 21:38:00 tommost Okay, seriously, the free stuff table is *never* going to manage to outdo this one.

09 21:42:00 Morasique tommost: the xp cd did it for you?

09 21:44:00 auchter i got a geforce fx 5200 freshman year

09 21:45:00 Morasique i apparently don't visit this table often enough

09 21:45:00 tommost Morasique: For sheer monetary value this is going to be hard to beat.  Yeah, the XP CD isn't that useful.

09 22:25:00 tommost What holds hard disk magnets to the metal shields they are attached to?

09 22:27:00 auchter i'm not sure.  i've  been able to remove them, though

09 22:27:00 kleinjt magnetism?

09 22:29:00 kleinjt I haven't encountered any adhesives when removing magnets from hard drives

09 22:32:00 tommost Hmmm... okay.

09 22:37:00 tommost I think that I see glue under this one.

09 23:17:00 tommost VirtualBox is driving me crazy.  If I use it to share a folder that is on an SSHFS mount it complains that the path "isn't absolute".  Of course, it works just fine when I give it the path to an empty directory and switch it out for a symlink to the mount after it has booted.

10 02:53:00 andy753421 anyone know of a way to reboot to a specific grub entry?

10 09:55:00 kleinjt I haven't thought of a smart way of doing it, but a stupid way would be to write a script that edits grub's menu.lst and changes the default and timeout.

10 13:25:00 Blazeix huh. Wine redid their site, it looks really good.

10 13:25:00 Blazeix http://www.winehq.org/

10 13:26:00 Zeta_Mobile hmm, nifty

10 13:29:00 Morasique Blazeix: i like what the icons do when i mouse over them, i think i'm just going to keep doing that instead of clicking one

10 13:31:00 Blazeix yeah, that red outline is the one thing I'm not sold on.

10 14:34:00 tommost Awesome, Firefox crashes as soon as I start it.

10 14:35:00 tommost Since it's the only thing that I opened since I last opened Firefox, I'm going to blame Angel.

10 14:37:00 tommost Haha!  I won the race to close the tab before it could crash Firefox.

10 14:45:00 shatly get ready, set, CRASH!!!!

10 14:46:00 Zeta_Mobile heh

10 14:48:00 shatly waves

10 14:48:00 shatly welcome back

10 15:12:00 auchter so, i figure it's worth asking one last time: anyone have the ece380 book that they want to sell?

10 15:12:00 shatly waht is the name of the book?

10 15:13:00 auchter no idea, and it really doesn't matter for you, does it?

10 15:13:00 Blazeix auchter: is ece380 discrete time and continuous systems?

10 15:13:00 shatly no, but stil

10 15:13:00 auchter Blazeix: yep

10 15:13:00 Blazeix by Yoder?

10 15:13:00 auchter ywH

10 15:13:00 auchter s/ywH/yeah/

10 15:14:00 Blazeix my roommate has it. He's going to join the channel

10 15:14:00 shatly hugs auchter

10 15:14:00 auchter Zaszamonde: so, how about that DSP book?

10 15:15:00 Zaszamonde auchter: How much are you offering?

10 15:15:00 Zaszamonde auchter: The Signal Processing First by McClellan, Schafer and Yoder, correct?

10 15:16:00 auchter auchter: yes, what edition do you have?

10 15:16:00 Zaszamonde There isn't an edition that I can find

10 15:16:00 auchter ah, that might be a problem

10 15:16:00 auchter hold on

10 15:17:00 shatly freezes in mid step

10 15:18:00 auchter awesome, it looks like i need the first edition

10 15:18:00 Zaszamonde Okay, how much would you offer?

10 15:18:00 auchter so, how's ~half of bookstore new cost?

10 15:19:00 Zaszamonde How much is that...?

10 15:19:00 auchter (i think that'd be ~$70)

10 15:19:00 ZaszamondeShill Zaszamonde: I'll give you $1 more than auchter

10 15:19:00 Zaszamonde Sure, that's great

10 15:19:00 ZaszamondeShill looks around shiftily

10 15:19:00 auchter awesome.  could i pick it up now then?

10 15:19:00 Zaszamonde Just find out the price and you'll get it for half

10 15:19:00 Morasique Zaszamonde: do not tell him where we live

10 15:19:00 auchter alright, i'll stop by the bookstore

10 15:20:00 auchter i'll find you

10 15:20:00 tommost auchter: They live by Subway in the Apartments.

10 15:20:00 Zaszamonde Apt W 103

10 15:20:00 Blazeix uhoh. Zaszamonde just resorted to physical violence against ZaszamondeShill

10 15:20:00 Blazeix that's opening a new realm of possibilities

10 15:21:00 auchter i already found it anyway

10 15:21:00 auchter alright, i'll be there in a bit

10 15:21:00 Zaszamonde Okay

10 15:21:00 Morasique tommost: why do you know that?

10 15:22:00 Blazeix Morasique: I let him in so he can watch you sleep

10 15:22:00 tommost Um... I think it came up here before... something to do with you eating there nearly every day.

10 15:22:00 Morasique http://bash.org/?115

10 15:22:00 Blazeix you found that pretty quickly

10 15:22:00 shatly yay, bash!!!

10 15:22:00 Morasique subway? i never eat at subway

10 15:23:00 Zaszamonde Didn't you have subway for lunch?

10 15:23:00 Morasique damn it, i can't kick you. somebody op me

10 15:23:00 Zaszamonde Bwahaha

10 15:23:00 Morasique Zaszamonde: join #rhnoise

10 15:23:00 Zaszamonde Thanks!

10 15:23:00 Morasique tommost--

10 15:23:00 Zaszamonde Morasique--

10 15:24:00 andy753421 Morasique:  maybe someone should give a presentation ...

10 15:24:00 Blazeix \kick Zaszamonde

10 15:24:00 Zaszamonde hahahahahahahahaha

10 15:24:00 Blazeix haha!

10 15:24:00 Morasique Blazeix++

10 15:24:00 Morasique andy753421: i have nothing to present on :'(. teach me about your compiler and i'll present on it

10 15:24:00 shatly no get ops?

10 15:24:00 Morasique Blazeix: at least you used your 10 seconds of ops for a good cause

10 15:24:00 tommost shatly: You haven't presented.

10 15:25:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Presentations

10 15:25:00 andy753421 there's a whole list of things at the bottom

10 15:25:00 Morasique things i know nothing about

10 15:25:00 andy753421 learn?

10 15:25:00 Morasique recoils

10 15:26:00 Morasique iptables is on there three times

10 15:26:00 tommost Morasique: Present on that e-mail client you used Freshman year.

10 15:26:00 Morasique that would be outlook

10 15:26:00 Morasique or pine

10 15:26:00 tommost The latter one.

10 15:26:00 Morasique mmk

10 15:26:00 shatly eyes #

10 15:26:00 shatly # Tunneling - VPN, pptp, ssh, netcat, iptables?

10 15:27:00 Morasique i'll present on all the 1337 h4x0r things we learn in 442

10 15:28:00 tommost Morasique: You should present on Lua.

10 15:28:00 Morasique tommost: stop saying crazy things

10 15:30:00 Morasique i hear auchter T_T

10 15:30:00 Morasique they're whispering, and money changed hands. in case any government agents are reading this log

10 17:41:00 quark_ tommost: do you use the hda intel sound driver?

10 17:50:00 tommost Um... yes/no?

10 17:50:00 quark_ lsmod|grep snd

10 17:50:00 tommost Maybe?

10 17:51:00 tommost So it would appear.

10 17:51:00 quark_ should

10 17:52:00 quark_ snd_hda_intel?

10 17:52:00 tommost Yes.

10 17:53:00 quark_ soo gay

10 17:53:00 quark_ grrr

10 17:54:00 quark_ what is the output of cat /proc/asound/cards

10 20:20:00 Morasique http://www.sporcle.com/games/csvocab.php

10 20:40:00 auchter damn it, i had 5 minutes left and i pressed ``backspace'' in vimperator

10 20:41:00 auchter i was around 70 words, so i had no chance of finishing

10 20:47:00 andy753421 what does backspace do? (besides ruin your life)

10 20:47:00 auchter go up one level

10 20:53:00 andy753421 i don't suppose the the back button works, doesn't that usually leave form fields filled in?

10 20:54:00 auchter no, it didn't work. it was using some crazy voodoo (i suspect javascript was involved) in the word entry box

10 20:55:00 andy753421 ah, i do hate crazy voodoo

10 20:55:00 andy753421 anyway, i'm off to robotics

10 21:02:00 povilusr-laptop sooo

10 21:03:00 povilusr-laptop anyone done the 230 hw?

10 21:03:00 tommost No, none of us are masochists.

10 21:04:00 TBoneULS more important, anyone here good at java and want to help us?

10 21:05:00 TBoneULS that's not a good sign.

10 21:06:00 Morasique nobody here is going to admit to java skillz

10 21:06:00 auchter if i wasn't having so much fun doing my 380 homework, i might be willing to help

10 21:06:00 Morasique TBoneULS: what are you doing?

10 21:06:00 TBoneULS we might be able to help you with that

10 21:06:00 TBoneULS decoding cs lingo?

10 21:06:00 TBoneULS hold on, mark was supposrted to type the question

10 21:07:00 auchter nah, this stuff's easy

10 21:07:00 Zeta_Mobile we're looking to write two generic methods

10 21:07:00 TBoneULS dammit

10 21:07:00 povilusr-laptop fuck you mark

10 21:07:00 Morasique i'm confused

10 21:07:00 andy753421 i'm confused

10 21:07:00 TBoneULS everyones confused

10 21:07:00 povilusr-laptop ZetaSyanthis--

10 21:07:00 auchter what just happened?

10 21:07:00 TBoneULS im going to bitch slap both of them, hold on

10 21:07:00 Zeta_Mobile We want it to accept two args, and return the maximum

10 21:07:00 Zeta_Mobile but it needs to be generic

10 21:08:00 Morasique sounds like Math.max ftw

10 21:08:00 andy753421 i leave to walk over to the robotics lab and the entire channel goes to hell

10 21:08:00 Morasique do they implement Comparable?

10 21:08:00 Zeta_Mobile yes

10 21:08:00 povilusr-laptop he said he would type the question 5 minuets ago but he still hasent

10 21:08:00 TBoneULS well

10 21:08:00 TBoneULS they need to

10 21:08:00 Zeta_Mobile theoretically

10 21:08:00 TBoneULS we just dont know how to do that

10 21:08:00 auchter that's pretty easy then

10 21:08:00 TBoneULS as we all suck at java

10 21:08:00 Morasique that's 1 line

10 21:08:00 Zeta_Mobile yeah, I thought so

10 21:08:00 TBoneULS yes, we don't know that one line htough

10 21:08:00 TBoneULS ZetaSyanthis--

10 21:09:00 auchter start by doing the crazy generic function declaration, taking two arguments which implement comparable

10 21:09:00 TBoneULS we know we need to do a.compareto(b) or something, but we cant make it so that works

10 21:09:00 auchter then use that object.compareTo to figure out the max, than return that

10 21:09:00 Morasique put <T extends Comparable> in the function definition

10 21:10:00 Morasique it takes two T arguments and returns a T

10 21:10:00 Morasique then it should work

10 21:10:00 TBoneULS cool

10 21:10:00 TBoneULS thanks, we'll try that

10 21:11:00 povilusr-laptop private static Object findMin<T extends Comparable>(Object e, Object f)?

10 21:11:00 Morasique you should probably reread what i said

10 21:12:00 Zeta_Mobile public <T extends Comparable> min(<T extends Comparable> var1, <T extends Comparable> var2) {

10 21:12:00 Zeta_Mobile ?

10 21:12:00 Morasique just "T" for the type

10 21:12:00 Zeta_Mobile povilusr--;

10 21:12:00 Morasique but put <T extends Comparable> after the public so it knows what T is

10 21:13:00 Zeta_Mobile thank you

10 21:13:00 Zeta_Mobile got it

10 21:14:00 TBoneULS ZetaSyanthis--

10 21:14:00 Morasique i'm starting to think quark_ was right about karma

10 21:14:00 auchter hey, i hate karma too

10 21:15:00 quark_ Morasique: that its lame?

10 21:15:00 Morasique well, quark_ whines about it more

10 21:15:00 Morasique quark_: that it's a bad idea

10 21:15:00 Zeta_Mobile thank you, morasique

10 21:15:00 quark_ whats a bad idea?

10 21:15:00 quark_ oh

10 21:15:00 Zeta_Mobile Morasique++

10 21:15:00 quark_ yeah

10 21:15:00 quark_ it is

10 21:15:00 quark_ its lame

10 21:15:00 quark_ but I quit arguing that

10 21:16:00 auchter also,it occurs to me that Blazeix's reminder emails should probably include the presentation topic for the meeting

10 21:16:00 Morasique auchter: he usually sends them out a few hours before the meeting; most of the time we haven't decided on a topic yet

10 21:16:00 auchter right

10 21:34:00 Blazeix Have we decided on our topic for tomorrow?

10 21:35:00 Blazeix is it andy's programming language?

10 21:35:00 Morasique andy's doing his compiler

10 21:35:00 Blazeix o.k.. anyone know the name of it?

10 21:35:00 tommost It's on the presentations page.

10 21:35:00 Morasique i think it's curin, although that may be the language

10 21:35:00 Morasique oh, so it is

10 21:37:00 Blazeix o.k., and it's his senior thesis, right?

10 21:37:00 tommost Mm-hmm.

10 21:38:00 auchter Blazeix++

10 21:38:00 povilusr-laptop how do you make a generic object that extends comparable

10 21:39:00 Morasique povilusr-laptop: Zeta_Mobile got the answer

10 21:39:00 Zeta_Mobile we did

10 21:39:00 Morasique aren't you working together?

10 21:39:00 Zeta_Mobile This is a new question...  we need to store an element of an array of generic type

10 21:40:00 Zeta_Mobile how do we instatiate a variable for that?

10 21:40:00 Zeta_Mobile *instantiate

10 21:40:00 Morasique oh, how do you make a new one. you generally don't instantiate generics, it's a pain

10 21:40:00 Morasique are you sure you need to?

10 21:41:00 Zeta_Mobile well, we need to grab the lowest element of a generic array

10 21:41:00 Morasique so you're not instantiating one, just making a variable

10 21:41:00 Morasique you just use "T" as a type

10 21:51:00 povilusr-laptop why dosent it like this return {returnThingie, returnThingies};

10 21:51:00 Morasique what is that supposed to do? it's bad syntax

10 21:51:00 povilusr-laptop to return a 2 element array

10 21:51:00 Morasique ah. arrays are []

10 21:51:00 Morasique and you have to do return new type[] {returnThingie, returnThingies};

10 21:52:00 tommost povilusr-laptop: You're not doing things The Java Way.  You need a class to make that typesafe.

10 21:53:00 Morasique tommost: well, not if they're the same class, but it is still odd

10 21:53:00 TBoneULS the sad thing is i dont know if youre kidding or fucking with us

10 21:53:00 povilusr-laptop cannot create generic array of type type

10 21:53:00 Morasique er. you shouldn't be making a generic array. are you sure you're doing this right?

10 21:53:00 tommost povilusr-laptop: "type" should be the actual type.

10 21:53:00 povilusr-laptop yeah

10 21:53:00 Morasique tommost: java doesn't allow generic array instantiation

10 21:54:00 Zeta_Mobile no, we're really not

10 21:54:00 povilusr-laptop i know im actualy ysin T

10 21:54:00 povilusr-laptop using*

10 21:54:00 tommost Morasique: There are ways you can trick it into doing it, I think.

10 21:54:00 povilusr-laptop but i thought it would be less confusing

10 21:54:00 Morasique you can use reflection, but i'm pretty sure they're not supposed to be doing that

10 21:54:00 Morasique and it's unsafe

10 21:55:00 TBoneULS i dont give a damn if it's unsafe

10 21:55:00 tommost Can't you do new Object[] = {whatever..}; and then cast it?

10 21:55:00 TBoneULS really, i just dont

10 21:55:00 povilusr-laptop apparently not

10 21:55:00 Morasique tommost: no

10 21:55:00 povilusr-laptop but were trying to return an array of generics

10 21:55:00 tommost Hm... I know I read something about this once...

10 21:55:00 tommost povilusr-laptop: You could use a List.

10 21:55:00 Morasique you could do T[] theArray = Array.newInstance(returnThingy.getClass(), 2);

10 21:56:00 Morasique but i reiterate, i'm pretty sure you're doing something wrong

10 21:56:00 Morasique oh, and you have to cast that result

10 21:56:00 Zeta_Mobile for consideration: http://pastebin.com/m5dff03ca

10 21:56:00 tommost Morasique: The have to use Java.  Where injustice is present, wrong is inevitable.

10 21:56:00 Zeta_Mobile we just don't know how to return it

10 21:57:00 tommost Why do you need to return an array?

10 21:57:00 TBoneULS because they hate us

10 21:57:00 Morasique you have to return the two biggest?

10 21:57:00 tommost Just return the maximum element.

10 21:57:00 TBoneULS no, that wast he last problem

10 21:57:00 Zeta_Mobile "Write generic method max2, which accepts accepts and array and returns and array of length 2 representing the two largest elements in the array"

10 21:57:00 tommost Booo.

10 21:57:00 TBoneULS douchebags, all of them.  the authors, that is

10 21:58:00 tommost Weiss?

10 21:58:00 Morasique wow. well yeah, i'd use Array.newInstance

10 21:58:00 Zeta_Mobile yes

10 21:58:00 Morasique also your return type is wrong

10 21:58:00 Zeta_Mobile yes

10 21:58:00 Zeta_Mobile I know that

10 21:58:00 Zeta_Mobile that was the problem

10 21:58:00 Zeta_Mobile well, one of many

10 21:59:00 Morasique change line 2 to T current[] = (T[])Array.newInstance(a[0], 2);

10 21:59:00 Morasique i guess you can assume a has at least two elements, or assert it

10 22:00:00 Zeta_Mobile that fails, sadly

10 22:00:00 Morasique er. a[0].getClass()

10 22:00:00 Morasique sorry

10 22:00:00 Zeta_Mobile The method newInstance(T, int) is undefined for the type XsiNilLoader.Array

10 22:00:00 Morasique welcome to the world of java generics

10 22:00:00 Morasique you imported the wrong array

10 22:01:00 Morasique java.lang.reflect.Array

10 22:01:00 povilusr-laptop srsly or are you fucking with us

10 22:02:00 Morasique ? yes seriously

10 22:02:00 Morasique why?

10 22:02:00 TBoneULS you should have seen what zetas computer helpfully imported for him

10 22:02:00 Zeta_Mobile The method newInstance(Class<?>, int) in the type Array is not applicable for the arguments (T, int)

10 22:02:00 Zeta_Mobile with reflect now

10 22:02:00 TBoneULS it was sum.xml.something that took up a full line

10 22:02:00 Morasique eclipse has a bad habit of importing the wrong thing

10 22:02:00 Morasique Zeta_Mobile: you missed my other message, it should be a[0].getClass()

10 22:02:00 Zeta_Mobile eclipse has lots of those

10 22:02:00 Zeta_Mobile ah

10 22:02:00 tommost Solution: don't use eclipse.

10 22:04:00 Zeta_Mobile thank you, morasique

10 22:06:00 povilusr-laptop soo it returns [Ljava.lang.String;@42e816

10 22:06:00 Morasique btw povilusr-laptop, this line was amazing: "i know im actualy ysin T"

10 22:06:00 Morasique there's like 4 errors in that line

10 22:06:00 Morasique povilusr-laptop: you're outputting an array directly

10 22:07:00 Morasique arrays don't have a pretty output, they output stuff like that

10 22:07:00 Zeta_Mobile http://pastebin.com/m4edb673b

10 22:07:00 Zeta_Mobile Getting a null pointer exception

10 22:07:00 Morasique where?

10 22:07:00 Zeta_Mobile current[1] = current[0];

10 22:08:00 Morasique actually, i would've expected it before that

10 22:08:00 Zeta_Mobile ah, nm

10 22:08:00 Morasique there's no problem with line 4?

10 22:08:00 Zeta_Mobile I think I know the problem

10 22:08:00 Morasique ok

10 22:09:00 Zeta_Mobile woot

10 22:09:00 Zeta_Mobile works

10 22:09:00 Morasique woo

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop anyone know what this means

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop TODO 4.29a: Fill in the needed method signature for this interface. The

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop     * Matcher interface is like Comparator. Comparator has a single "compare"

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop     * method; you get to pick the name of the method that goes here. Think hard

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop     * about the return type and the number of parameters; that's where you find

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop     * the differences versus Comparator.

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop not direcly how to do it because it is directly part of the homework

10 22:21:00 povilusr-laptop but what it means

10 22:30:00 povilusr-laptop anyone? peases, i have no idea wtf is going on

10 22:31:00 andy753421 er.. copy the Comparator interface and run 's/compare/match/g'?

10 22:31:00 povilusr-laptop thanx andy

10 22:32:00 auchter ...

10 22:32:00 povilusr-laptop your a great help

10 22:32:00 andy753421 i kind of need to know what matcher is supposed to do if you want any more suggestions

10 22:33:00 andy753421 (other than `match' things..)

10 22:33:00 auchter yes, the problem statement is worthless

10 22:33:00 povilusr-laptop it matches things

10 22:33:00 povilusr-laptop its an interface

10 22:33:00 auchter what does ``matches things'' mean?

10 22:34:00 povilusr-laptop i dont know

10 22:34:00 povilusr-laptop it dosent say

10 22:34:00 andy753421 i suggest you provide arguments `Match m, Tinder t' and return true if the Tinder has been lite on fire by the Match

10 22:34:00 povilusr-laptop its an interface

10 22:38:00 TBoneULS okay, if anyone is still willing to help, i will try to explain our issues better than sam did

10 22:39:00 TBoneULS we are mkaing a countmatches method, i takes 2 params, an array of ints and a function object that returns boolean

10 22:39:00 TBoneULS and we need to give a declaration for an interface that expresses the requesite function object

10 22:40:00 TBoneULS which means nothing to us

10 22:40:00 TBoneULS prehaps we have found something

10 22:45:00 TBoneULS no, we have no idea

10 22:45:00 TBoneULS could anyone point us in the right directon

10 23:02:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: yeah, that 333 book is the older version, so i won't be able to use it.  i'll bring it to lug tomorrow, if you'll be there

10 23:09:00 Morasique wow, i actually have that exact method in my standard library

10 23:20:00 TBoneULS auchter: i think we used the book for 333 even though it was the older version - i might be wrong / it might be a problem now

10 23:21:00 auchter yeah, it doesn't have one of the homework problems that i need to do tonight

10 23:32:00 Morasique sigh. i just realized the stupid angel 5 second countdown on links only stops if you mouseover them, so using vimperator to click them keeps the timer going

10 23:32:00 tommost Morasique: Sounds like a job for Greasemonkey.

10 23:33:00 Morasique tommost: haven't you written something yet to disable that countdown?

10 23:34:00 auchter he should implement logview in greasemonkey

10 23:36:00 Morasique auchter: that would be incredibly slow but still impressive

10 23:36:00 auchter you mean logview isn't incredibly slow? it fooled me.

10 23:37:00 Morasique compared to a greasemonkey implementation it's lightning-fast

11 11:16:00 collinjc Interesting. Obviously Time Warner is having issues.

11 11:26:00 Morasique for the last week we've been breaking records for joins/parts

11 14:08:00 ogilvijc anybody have any idea how to get rose vpn (or 1x) up and running on ibex?

11 14:08:00 quark_ iwconfig wlan0 essid "RHIT-1X"

11 14:09:00 quark_ wpa_supplicant -B -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf

11 14:09:00 quark_ dhcpcd wlan0

11 14:09:00 quark_ works for me

11 14:09:00 auchter ogilvijc: there's a wpa_supplicant configuration posted on the wiki

11 14:10:00 auchter but it seems people have been having issues with ibex (related to the new networkmanager perhaps?)

11 14:10:00 quark_ i think it may be the iwl3945 driver in the kernel

11 14:10:00 ogilvijc yep, that's what my issues have been.  different configuration options.

11 14:10:00 quark_ oh

11 14:10:00 quark_ nevermind

11 14:11:00 ogilvijc i'm a relative n00b so i'm trying to get this done through gnome and it's turning out to be quite a pain

11 14:11:00 quark_ just use the command line

11 14:11:00 quark_ its so much easier

11 14:12:00 auchter yeah, if you just follow the wpa_supplicant.conf on the wiki, it should work

11 14:12:00 quark_ nod

11 14:12:00 ogilvijc well, first step you sent me, iwconfig wlan0, i get "Set" failed on wlan0

11 14:12:00 quark_ iwconfig

11 14:12:00 quark_ whats the output

11 14:13:00 auchter that step shouldn't be necessary

11 14:13:00 auchter but are you using sudo?

11 14:13:00 quark_ oh yeah

11 14:13:00 quark_ gotta be root to do it

11 14:13:00 quark_ auchter: how is that not necessary?

11 14:13:00 auchter wpa_supplicant handles that

11 14:13:00 ogilvijc ah, win.  next step!

11 14:13:00 quark_ copy the wpa_supplicant.conf from the wiki

11 14:13:00 auchter ogilvijc: now, copy the wpa_supplicant.conf from the wiki to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_suppicant.conf

11 14:14:00 quark_ i get errors when I start wpa_supplicant

11 14:14:00 auchter i do too, but it works

11 14:14:00 quark_ yeah

11 14:14:00 quark_ thats what I was going to say

11 14:14:00 quark_ auchter: don't you have a broadcom card?

11 14:14:00 auchter quark_: yes

11 14:14:00 quark_ yeah I have the spiffy intel

11 14:14:00 auchter the broadcom works fine now

11 14:15:00 quark_ yeah

11 14:15:00 quark_ its worked for a while

11 14:15:00 quark_ through one way or another

11 14:15:00 quark_ god

11 14:15:00 quark_ redhat is so lame

11 14:15:00 quark_ i have to use this redhat vm for work

11 14:16:00 quark_ and it really pisses me off

11 14:18:00 ogilvijc aw mannn, i have to store my pw as plaintext?

11 14:18:00 ogilvijc lol

11 14:18:00 quark_ yeah

11 14:18:00 bembry well, set the permissions to 700

11 14:18:00 quark_ that bugs me

11 14:18:00 quark_ there is probably a way around it though

11 14:18:00 bembry and uid/gid as root

11 14:18:00 bembry don't really have to care....

11 14:19:00 quark_ but nobody really every gets on my laptop....

11 14:19:00 bembry I guess if you cared Intrepid now supports encryption, could just put the file somewhere in a encrypted dir

11 14:20:00 auchter *cough* factotum *cough*

11 14:22:00 bembry where are the logs for wpa_supplicant?

11 14:22:00 ogilvijc thanks a bunch guys.

11 14:23:00 ogilvijc i think i'm on 1x now...

11 14:23:00 ogilvijc any luck on pptp for the vpn on ibex?

11 14:23:00 auchter for off campus?

11 14:24:00 ogilvijc aye.  how different is it if i want to connect to, say, RHIT wireless on-campus via vpm, versus vpn off-campus?

11 14:24:00 ogilvijc vpn*

11 14:24:00 auchter i think it's about the same

11 14:24:00 auchter vpn is kind of a pain in general,though

11 14:24:00 auchter i've mostly gotten by with ssh forwarding

11 14:24:00 ogilvijc yeah, i'd like to have that connection handy just in case.

11 14:25:00 ogilvijc hmmm, how would i map "minimize all" to super-m?  it's my favorite windows keyboard shortcut, and i'm missing it.

11 14:26:00 ogilvijc waves to mark

11 14:27:00 ogilvijc er, class time, damn.  thanks, i'm sure i'll be around later.

11 14:31:00 Zeta_Mobile o/

11 14:32:00 Zeta_Mobile xbindkeys is my favorite solution to that

11 14:32:00 Zeta_Mobile *that == making new hotkeys

11 14:33:00 Zeta_Mobile haven't used it in a bit though, as fluxbox has some of that built in

11 14:33:00 quark_ yeah fluxyboxy is great

11 14:35:00 Morasique Zeta_Mobile: how do you use xbindkeys to minimize all windows? i would think that's a window manager hotkey

11 14:43:00 Zeta_Mobile I've not used it for that purpose, I was suggesting it for hotkeys in general

11 14:43:00 Zeta_Mobile apparently I failed at qualifying my statement :/

11 15:23:00 octavious i cannot believe this wootoff is still going...

11 15:23:00 tommost Yeah, we're all mystified.

11 16:16:00 MrBucket101 Is anyone else here having trouble with the smtp exchange.rose-hulman.edu

11 16:16:00 MrBucket101 all of a sudden I can no longer send emails, although I had it set up correctly before

11 16:17:00 tommost I sent an e-mail a little while ago without issue.

11 16:17:00 MrBucket101 within the past hour or so?

11 16:17:00 jboticsource i also sent an email that worked

11 16:17:00 jboticsource yes

11 16:17:00 tommost Yeah.

11 16:17:00 MrBucket101 urg

11 16:18:00 MrBucket101 the smtp settings are exchange.rose-hulman.edu using SSL @ port 465 right?

11 16:20:00 MrBucket101 well i found the problem my port was wrong

11 16:21:00 MrBucket101 nvm guys

11 16:22:00 tommost Thunderbird?

11 16:35:00 tommost http://ecmanaut.blogspot.com/2008/12/wishlist-items.html

11 16:36:00 auchter ``File systems are often conceived of a way of organizing information on disk, when the important part of them really is a way of accessing information.''

11 16:36:00 auchter ``and how easy it is today to write one today, as compared to the old bad days, now that we have great things like FUSE or MacFUSE.''

11 16:36:00 auchter mutters something about 9p

11 16:36:00 auchter awesome, he mentions plan 9

11 16:37:00 tommost Yup; that's why I posted it.

11 16:37:00 auchter ``there have been wonderful pearls like Plan 9 in the past, but they were, you guessed it, walled away from the other stuff that was evolving at the time, and died out in niches few humans ever colonized and made their own.''

11 16:37:00 auchter hey, i resent that

11 16:37:00 auchter plan 9 isn't dead, it just smells funny

11 16:52:00 quark_ do you guys know how to display the locale of a certain file, i hav some files with weird chars, but i don't know how to figure out what locale they belong too?

11 16:52:00 tommost You mean encoding?

11 16:54:00 quark_ yeah

11 16:56:00 quark_ do you know that?

11 16:56:00 tommost I can come up with a way; just a sec.

11 17:01:00 quark_ i guess file --mime does it

11 17:02:00 tommost So does

11 17:02:00 tommost echo -e 'import sys\nimport BeautifulSoup\nprint BeautifulSoup.UnicodeDammit(open(sys.argv[1], "rb").read()).triedEncodings[-1]\n' | python - filename_to_chardet

11 17:03:00 tommost That uses a Python port of Mozilla's character set detection algorithm.

11 17:04:00 quark_ i dunno if we have python on these servers

11 17:04:00 tommost Well, regardless of whether you have Python, it's unlikely that you have BeautifulSoup, so I'm not much help, am I. ;)

11 17:05:00 quark_ yeah

11 17:05:00 quark_ these are like

11 17:05:00 quark_ old ass redhat production servers

11 17:06:00 tommost Well, off to LUG.

11 19:34:00 tommost Wow, LaTeX's \underline{} looks terrible.

11 19:35:00 auchter underlining is an abomination and should only be used for handwritten text

11 19:36:00 auchter if you're using it in latex, you're doing something wrong

11 19:39:00 tommost auchter: I agree with you; it's being used to indicate the primary key in my databases textbook, however, so I can't really change that.

11 19:43:00 tommost Oh well.  Only Mohan will be seeing this, anyway.  And this assignment is ridiculously boring, so he deserves it.

11 20:09:00 Morasique tommost: actually, sometimes sriram and i sit around and mock your typography. it's good times

11 20:11:00 tommost hurts inside.

11 20:13:00 Morasique ogilvijc and i are in the lab talking about compiz widgets

11 20:13:00 Morasique he likes fire text

11 20:13:00 tommost oglivijc++

11 20:50:00 Morasique i'm a huge fan of P in vimperator now that i'm used to it (opens the url on the clipboard in a new tab)

11 20:51:00 auchter yeah, it's one of my most commonly used keys

11 20:52:00 Blazeix Morasique: yeah, earlier this year when I did the opera keybindings, P was the main reason I did it.

11 20:53:00 auchter Blazeix: do you still use opera?

11 20:53:00 Blazeix no, i'm back to firefox.

11 20:53:00 Blazeix I forget why i switched back

11 20:54:00 Morasique Blazeix: greasemonkey no doubt

11 20:54:00 Morasique high fives tommost

11 20:55:00 Blazeix I think I was having some flash issues under opera. Also, adblock plus is amazing.

11 20:56:00 tommost Actually, Opera has great user script support.  It doesn't have the Greasemonkey APIs, but it does have an event system that lets you modify the text of (regular) scripts before they execute.  Opera actually ships a file called browser.js that patches common sites to make them work.

11 21:00:00 Morasique i didn't use adblock for ages, i just got used to not looking where ads are

11 21:01:00 Morasique i don't even notice a difference

11 21:01:00 auchter until you get an ad with sound

11 21:01:00 auchter that's wheni reinstalled adblock

11 21:02:00 auchter i need a new keyboard, the spacebar on this one is pretty horrible

11 21:24:00 tommost Yeah, my adblock is normally disabled, but whenever I do googling where ads may be in the results I enable it because those tend to get in the way.

11 22:42:00 andy753421 "Python is well suited for writing one liners using lambda functions without yielding obfuscated code." --wikipedia

11 22:43:00 andy753421 note that that is immediately followed by an example to `prove' their point..

11 22:43:00 andy753421 z = lambda x, y : [[ sum([x[i][k]*y[k][j] for k in range(len(x[0]))]) for j in range(len(y[0]))] for i in range(len(x))]

11 22:43:00 tommost Hehe.

11 22:43:00 tommost What were they smoking?

11 22:45:00 tommost I can't find that on the Python page.

11 22:45:00 andy753421 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-liner_program

11 22:45:00 andy753421 (near the bottom)

11 22:47:00 tommost Well, the list comprehensions help somewhat, but the lambda doesn't at all.

11 22:48:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, what's the preferred indentation format for list comprehension?

11 22:49:00 tommost Generally it shouldn't be long enough to require indentation; if it is it would probably be clearer to write an explicit loop.

11 22:49:00 tommost If necessary, I would probably break it at the keywords.

11 22:50:00 Morasique i'm going to come talk to you people, #rhnoise is afraid of me now

11 22:54:00 tommost Morasique: Tell us about your presentation next week.

11 22:57:00 andy753421 does #rhnoise have a log?

11 22:58:00 tommost andy753421: No.  Deliberately.

11 22:58:00 andy753421 ok

11 23:01:00 Morasique andy753421: good work, you led shadghost to us

11 23:01:00 andy753421 how did I do that?

11 23:01:00 Morasique you mentioned #rhnoise

11 23:01:00 Morasique and then he joined

11 23:01:00 andy753421 and technically, i can't lead him if i'm not there

11 23:02:00 Morasique good point

11 23:02:00 andy753421 also... http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-12.log#line-1794

11 23:02:00 shatly lol

11 23:03:00 shatly read about it about two days ago

11 23:03:00 Blazeix yeah, I count 9 occurrences in the logs

12 00:47:00 Blazeix I just found this page while searching for latex stuff:

12 00:47:00 Blazeix http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/~kd/latextut/pdfbyex.htm

12 00:47:00 Blazeix best style ever!

12 00:47:00 Blazeix I especially like the explanatory heading "Using the examples---Red text is  hyperlinked"

12 00:54:00 Morasique that is an extreme background

12 01:06:00 andy753421 auchter: i just saw something interesting, `Network RAM servers', sounds Plan 9-ish

12 01:07:00 auchter link?

12 01:07:00 andy753421 http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/facilities/research/Samson.html

12 01:07:00 andy753421 i guess this one is more direct http://bsd7.starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu/~samson/

12 01:08:00 auchter sounds like a bad idea to me

12 01:08:00 andy753421 yea, seems like latency would be a problem

12 01:08:00 auchter 1Gb/s is pretty slow

12 01:08:00 auchter that too

12 01:08:00 andy753421 although, 1Gb/s is a lot faster that a swap partition

12 01:08:00 auchter indeed, but ram is significantly faster

12 01:09:00 andy753421 hehe yea

12 01:09:00 tommost They're doing research on that?  It already exists; it's called memcached.

12 01:09:00 auchter i wonder what the performance difference wouldbe between this and serving ramfs over nfs or 9fs

12 01:09:00 auchter tommost: this was in 2003

12 01:10:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure memcached is entirely different

12 01:10:00 auchter i wasn't familiar with memcached, but yes, it looks it

12 02:18:00 Morasique andy753421 tied his own record for most consecutive presentations

12 02:18:00 tommost Morasique: Care to break his streak?

12 02:18:00 Morasique tommost: that would be wrong, he should go for 4

12 02:19:00 andy753421 last week doesn't really count

12 02:21:00 Morasique on a related note, the cs department is looking into getting speakers to come in to talk about cs-y things starting january

12 02:21:00 andy753421 ?

12 02:21:00 andy753421 did we used to?

12 02:22:00 Morasique what? no, this is new

12 02:23:00 andy753421 oh

12 02:23:00 andy753421 i somehow misread that as 'no longer looking'

12 02:23:00 andy753421 RMS!

12 02:23:00 Morasique ah

12 02:23:00 andy753421 let's get torvalds at the same time and not tell them

12 02:23:00 Morasique i think they're going to focus on people already here for the career fair or some other purpose, since we can't really afford to transport/house them

12 02:23:00 Morasique although that does sound entertaining

12 02:24:00 Morasique they're going to try and get students to talk about senior projects/internships if there's any cool technologies involved too

12 02:24:00 andy753421 that would be a great april fools day prank :)

12 02:24:00 andy753421 where are you reading/hearing this anyway?

12 02:24:00 Morasique UPE is doing it

12 02:24:00 andy753421 ah

12 02:25:00 andy753421 is it posted anywhere?

12 02:25:00 Morasique i don't think so, it just came up this week, nothing's really happened yet

12 02:25:00 andy753421 alright

12 02:25:00 andy753421 you know, UPE sounds a lot like lug, except less linux related, and they charge you

12 02:26:00 Morasique afaik they never really did anything before this year, they're trying to actually do things this year

12 02:26:00 Morasique the presentations are a lot like the lug ones though

12 02:26:00 andy753421 #rhupe?

12 02:27:00 andy753421 ;)

12 02:27:00 Morasique :). we use an angel group, actually, which makes me sad inside

12 02:27:00 andy753421 we need a directory of #rh* channels

12 02:27:00 andy753421 is it a public angel group?

12 02:27:00 Morasique they're looking into starting a wiki to keep track of things, they originally planned to use angel's wikis. not a solid plan

12 02:27:00 Morasique no idea

12 02:28:00 Morasique we would need a directory if there were more than ~3

12 02:28:00 Morasique i think #rhlug, #rhnoise and #rhrt are the only ones with people

12 02:28:00 andy753421 ah, #rhpolitics is no longer active?

12 02:28:00 Morasique no, the themed ones like politics and cooking kind of merged with noise

12 02:29:00 andy753421 ah, ok

12 02:29:00 tommost #rhqasar is populated.

12 02:29:00 Morasique tommost: people are still in there?

12 02:29:00 Morasique is it just you?

12 02:29:00 tommost Nope.

12 02:29:00 tommost kleinjt is usually there and ferrelaj pops in frequently.

12 02:29:00 Morasique suspicious

12 02:29:00 andy753421 what is #rhqasar?

12 02:29:00 tommost I haven't seen _deleter in a while.

12 02:30:00 Morasique it's #rhquasar

12 02:30:00 Morasique it's identical to #rhnoise

12 02:30:00 andy753421 oh

12 02:30:00 Morasique and hence dumb

12 02:30:00 tommost Not at all; it's current topic is "brainfuck processor programming competition. milestone 1 (working in simulation) due december 1st"

12 02:30:00 Morasique :)

12 02:31:00 tommost We kind of missed that milestone.

12 02:31:00 tommost For me, it was my unstable Internet connection—simulation on addiator isn't much fun under those circumstances.

12 02:32:00 Morasique screen?

12 02:32:00 tommost Still not much fun.

12 02:32:00 tommost It would kill my sshfs mount, which is really annoying as it causes things to block on the minute-long network timeout.

12 02:33:00 Morasique ah yes. that's always fun

12 02:33:00 andy753421 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/groups/UPE/HTML/current_events/

12 02:33:00 andy753421 you're a bit behind on the news

12 02:33:00 Morasique yeah, the whole website is. http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/groups/UPE/HTML/Officers/

12 02:33:00 Morasique we have a webmaster as of wednesday, so he's supposed to update it

12 10:07:00 auchter haha, email i just received: http://rafb.net/p/0aRNK586.html

12 10:08:00 auchter presumably sent to the presidents of all the clubs

12 10:10:00 andy753421 hm.. i didn't get one

12 10:10:00 auchter strange.  not a loss, though

12 10:13:00 Morasique yeah, they're always trying to get me to be in those

12 10:19:00 Morasique mcleish just called my 376 team "very clever". take that world

12 10:56:00 Morasique is there a way to disable firefox's ability to open pdfs inside a tab? there is no situation where i want that

12 11:09:00 collinjc I use the PDF Download extension.

12 11:09:00 Morasique me too, but that doesn't disable the functionality

12 11:10:00 collinjc Strange... I can't say that I have seen this type of functionality then.

12 11:10:00 Morasique i mean it's still possible for firefox to open pdfs in tabs. i want it permanently disabled

12 11:10:00 Morasique my issue is angel's stupid auto-launching links, if i don't mouseover them fast enough they launch themselves, and pdf download doesn't catch it if i didn't physically click the link

12 11:11:00 collinjc I absolutely -hate- that "feature" of angel.

12 11:12:00 collinjc For me, though, those result in a download prompt.

12 11:15:00 Morasique oh, strange. i'll fiddle with pdf download then, maybe i can change that

12 11:19:00 andy753421 um, i've never had pdf's open in tabs, the always bring up the `download / open with' dialog

12 11:19:00 andy753421 did you install magic acrobat stuff?

12 11:19:00 Morasique i thought that functionality was built into firefox

12 11:20:00 andy753421 well, i don't think pdf reading is..

12 11:21:00 andy753421 USE="-nsplugin" emerge acroread

12 11:24:00 Morasique oh, cool, i do have that use flag. thanks

12 12:16:00 tommost Hm... I should have checked my e-mail before I started doing homework.  I was trying to avoid distraction, but it turns out that my first class of the day has been canceled.

12 12:22:00 auchter uh, is anyone else getting ``bad gateway'' for http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~radu, for example?

12 12:23:00 collinjc Yes, I was wondering if anyone else was as well.

12 12:23:00 collinjc It seems to be for all personal sites.

12 12:23:00 tommost Hmm... yeah.  Apparently IAIT fails at load balancing.

12 12:24:00 tommost Ticket filed.

12 12:31:00 collinjc Wow. Back up. That is a much faster response than I expected.

12 12:32:00 tommost Probably just something transitive, then.  Maybe something crashed and they had to restart it.

12 12:33:00 collinjc Nah. That's giving them too much credit. I'm going to assume it restarted itself.

12 12:33:00 tommost Good point.

12 12:38:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/98517/

12 12:40:00 collinjc Wow. I'm shocked.

12 12:46:00 tommost This camera is just so awesome: cat $FPGA_IMAGE >/dev/fpgaconfjtag

12 12:51:00 tommost Although using PHP as a general-purpose scripting language is a bit weird...

12 12:56:00 auchter tommost: the elphel?

12 12:56:00 tommost Yeah.

12 12:56:00 auchter i need to look at the verilog for that yet...

12 12:57:00 tommost Me too... although I anticipate that I may be scared away.

12 15:46:00 tommost My 64-bit Ubuntu install is only seeing 3.3 GB of 4 GB physically present in my laptop. :(

12 15:46:00 tommost Is there something I need to poke in the BIOS?

12 15:47:00 auchter you could try to take a look around, but i doubt it

12 15:47:00 auchter i'm inclined to blame your kernel

12 15:48:00 tommost Yeah, but that's really weird.  I mean, why would a 64-bit system be restricted like that?

12 15:49:00 auchter no idea, and if the default kernel for ubuntu did, i'd assume you'd be able to find people complaining about it

12 15:52:00 tommost Hmmm... apparently the 32-bit server kernel has PAE enabled by default.  I'd wondered what the difference was.

12 16:28:00 MrBucket101 does anyone know of a good partition cloner, I'm pretty sure my external is failing, and so i'd like to clone it onto a separate hard drive

12 16:28:00 quark_ dd

12 16:28:00 andy753421 cat?

12 16:29:00 quark_ dd > cat

12 16:29:00 andy753421 actually, you probably want to take a look at ddrescue

12 16:29:00 MrBucket101 what is the syntax for dd exactly

12 16:29:00 andy753421 it's like dd but handles read errors better

12 16:30:00 auchter MrBucket101: the man page covers it, but it's generally: dd if=source of=target

12 16:30:00 auchter also of interest will be the bs= option

12 16:30:00 quark_ root@dherrup-us-pc /usr/local/mysql32358/bin# cat /etc/redhat-release

12 16:30:00 quark_ Enterprise Linux Enterprise Linux Server release 5.1 (Carthage)

12 16:30:00 quark_ saweet!

12 16:31:00 MrBucket101 so should i use ddrescue or dd with the bs= option?

12 16:32:00 quark_ dd

12 16:32:00 auchter if your drive is failing, use ddrescue

12 16:32:00 quark_ aww

12 16:32:00 quark_ probably better

12 16:32:00 MrBucket101 is there any sure sign to let me know it is failing

12 16:32:00 quark_ doesn't turn on

12 16:32:00 MrBucket101 the last couple of days it started making some odd sounds, but its still working

12 16:32:00 auchter you could look at the SMART data, but i don't know if you can do that over USB (anyone else know?)

12 16:33:00 MrBucket101 i've tried gsmartmon

12 16:33:00 andy753421 I'm not sure

12 16:33:00 MrBucket101 it can't pickup my drives on SMART

12 16:33:00 MrBucket101 although i know its capable

12 16:33:00 andy753421 the real question is whether you should use ddrescue or dd-rescue ;)

12 16:33:00 MrBucket101 does windows have better SMART support over USB?

12 16:34:00 kleinjt i'd use dd_rescue

12 16:34:00 andy753421 does `smartctl -iH /dev/sd?' do anything?

12 16:35:00 auchter according to wikipedia (the source of all infallible knowledge...) few USB drives support SMART

12 16:35:00 andy753421 can you pull it out of the USB case and plug it into IDE/SATA?

12 16:36:00 auchter yeah, that would probably be a good thing to try

12 16:36:00 MrBucket101 I could, but then my 5 yr warranty from seagate would be ruined

12 16:36:00 andy753421 you can also run badblocks on it

12 16:36:00 auchter why would that wreck the warranty?

12 16:37:00 MrBucket101 Im not sure to be honest

12 16:37:00 MrBucket101 http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/MrBucket010/Screenshot-1-2.png

12 16:37:00 auchter uh, sudo?

12 16:37:00 auchter sudo pkill -9 dbus

12 16:37:00 auchter (actually, you probably don't want to do that)

12 16:39:00 MrBucket101 (sigh) and now im getting this as well http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp9/MrBucket010/Screenshot-2-1.png

12 16:40:00 auchter what are you trying to do?

12 16:41:00 MrBucket101 All i did was plug in my external

12 16:41:00 MrBucket101 so mount it

12 16:41:00 auchter take a look at what dmesg says

12 16:41:00 auchter i'm heading out for a bit now, perhaps someone else could help you

12 16:42:00 MrBucket101 its fine

12 16:42:00 MrBucket101 I'll figure something out

12 16:42:00 quark_ do you have another usbdruve?

12 16:42:00 quark_ heez

12 16:42:00 quark_ wtf

12 16:42:00 MrBucket101 yep, thats the same size

12 16:42:00 quark_ why not just try to dd it

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 i think that is what i'm going to do right now

12 16:43:00 quark_ you can't really hurt it

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 true

12 16:43:00 quark_ are you sure its exactly the same size

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 yea

12 16:43:00 quark_ number of blocks and shit

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 1TB exact

12 16:43:00 quark_ according to what?

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 im not sure about blocks

12 16:43:00 quark_ fdisk -l?

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 let me check

12 16:43:00 MrBucket101 yea

12 16:44:00 MrBucket101 exact same number of blocks

12 16:44:00 MrBucket101 BUT one is NTFS with compression the other is FAT32

12 16:44:00 quark_ ummm

12 16:44:00 MrBucket101 i just bought the second TB drive and when i used gparted i couldn't format it ntfs

12 16:44:00 MrBucket101 it was greyed out

12 16:44:00 quark_ you can do it with fdisk

12 16:45:00 quark_ but you are going to overwrite the partition table anyways

12 16:45:00 MrBucket101 theres nothing on the fat32

12 16:45:00 quark_ i'd just blash it with data

12 16:45:00 MrBucket101 its literally brand new today

12 16:45:00 quark_ dd doesn't care about format

12 16:45:00 quark_ its just a raw data cop

12 16:45:00 quark_ y

12 16:45:00 MrBucket101 hmmm i c

12 16:46:00 MrBucket101 i have no clue how to use fdisk

12 16:46:00 quark_ fdisk /dev/sd_whatever

12 16:46:00 MrBucket101 if i want to format /dev/sdc1 to ntfs what should i type

12 16:46:00 quark_ fdisk /dev/sdc

12 16:47:00 andy753421 fdisk does not format things

12 16:47:00 quark_ it just sets it

12 16:47:00 quark_ but as I said

12 16:47:00 quark_ it won't matter since its a raw copy

12 16:48:00 MrBucket101 I understand that, but I still want the device to be NTFS not fat32

12 16:48:00 quark_ ....

12 16:48:00 quark_ but

12 16:48:00 MrBucket101 personal preference i like the filesystem

12 16:48:00 quark_ all that information will be overwritten

12 16:48:00 MrBucket101 what do you mean

12 16:48:00 MrBucket101 if i dd my data onto the fat32 drive

12 16:48:00 MrBucket101 the fat32 will become ntfs

12 16:48:00 quark_ yes

12 16:49:00 quark_ so

12 16:49:00 andy753421 this conversation is confusing me.. that seems like a bad thing when it's talking about dding disks

12 16:49:00 MrBucket101 i was not aware

12 16:49:00 quark_ the fact that its fat32 is just some other random data on the disk

12 16:49:00 quark_ its just meta data

12 16:50:00 quark_ i think dd will copy over the partition information exactly

12 16:50:00 andy753421 MrBucket101: So you have an existing hard disk that is getting corrupted, and you have a new hard disk of the same size with no data on it, and you want to copy the data for the existing hard disk to the new one?

12 16:50:00 MrBucket101 yes literally

12 16:51:00 MrBucket101 i just used this command in the terminal sudo dd if=/dev/sdd1 of=/dev/sdc1

12 16:51:00 quark_ no

12 16:51:00 quark_ /dev/sda1  is a partition

12 16:51:00 quark_ you want to copy the raw disk

12 16:51:00 andy753421 you probably want `sudo dd if=/dev/sdd of=/dev/sdc'

12 16:51:00 quark_ yeah

12 16:52:00 andy753421 assuming /dev/sdd is the old disk, and /dev/sdc is the new disk

12 16:52:00 MrBucket101 yep

12 16:52:00 MrBucket101 i just checked again sdd is old sdc is new

12 16:52:00 quark_ so like all that information about the partitions and their formats are just stored at the beginning of the disk

12 16:53:00 quark_ so when you directly copy the entire disk it should make the new one ntfs with the exact same partioning scheme

12 16:53:00 MrBucket101 ooooh, and by dding the actual disk that gets copied too

12 16:53:00 quark_ if I could spell

12 16:53:00 quark_ but yeah thats the idea

12 16:54:00 MrBucket101 this is going to take forever isn't it

12 16:54:00 quark_ for a tb

12 16:54:00 quark_ probably a good little while

12 16:55:00 MrBucket101 damn

12 16:56:00 MrBucket101 but yea, after this finishes I think im going to look and see if windows has SMART support for my existing drive, its making weird noises but its not clicking

12 16:57:00 andy753421 MrBucket101: did smartctl give you anything?

12 16:58:00 MrBucket101 no

12 16:58:00 MrBucket101 i used gsmartmon which is a gui for smartctl and it says the drive has no USB support

12 16:58:00 andy753421 ok..

12 16:59:00 MrBucket101 i like guis :D

12 16:59:00 MrBucket101 erm not USB SMART

12 16:59:00 MrBucket101 my bad

12 17:09:00 Blazeix I'm poking through the midori bug tracker, and I found a bug that says Midori doesn't support animated gif backgrounds

12 17:09:00 Blazeix isn't that more of a feature?

12 17:10:00 auchter Blazeix: i'd say so.  i can't think of one website i've seen that uses animated gif backgrounds to sane effect

12 17:38:00 Morasique i didn't even know animated gifs could be backgrounds, but now i'm worried about running into one

12 17:45:00 andy7534211 heh heh heh

12 18:16:00 Blazeix I think it was ZetaSyanthis who showed me a web page that his high school teacher made

12 18:16:00 Blazeix it used animated gif backgrounds

12 18:17:00 Blazeix it probably gave students seizures.

12 18:17:00 Morasique i was the webmaster at my high school; i can confidently say that high school teachers should never make web pages. ever

12 18:25:00 ZetaSyanthis oh, yeah, that site

12 18:27:00 ZetaSyanthis http://www.benet.org/teachers/jleffler/index.html

12 18:27:00 ZetaSyanthis if you have seizures, don't visit

12 18:27:00 ZetaSyanthis for the love of jebus, don't

12 18:28:00 auchter oh god my eyes

12 18:29:00 Blazeix I"m tempted to submit it to stumbleupon, but I'm genuinely worried that I'll give some unsuspecting bloke a seizure.

12 18:29:00 Morasique i don't get it: http://mrozekma.com/seizure.png

12 18:36:00 andy753421 I think it's about time for lug.rose-hulman.edu to have a new background, anyone else?

12 18:37:00 auchter i vote for an animated gif of glenda chainsawing tux

12 18:37:00 quark_ only if i can pick it out

12 18:37:00 Morasique andy753421: good thing ZetaSyanthis already found the perfect one

12 18:37:00 auchter with the colors being inverted at a frequency of 100Hz

12 18:38:00 ZetaSyanthis haha

12 18:38:00 quark_ you should put the slackware tux on there

12 18:38:00 quark_ the one with the pipe

12 18:38:00 quark_ like bob dobbs

12 18:38:00 auchter quark_: you mean "bob"

12 18:38:00 andy753421 i was actually think of putting on a "Bob" head myself

12 18:38:00 quark_ auchter: he has a last name

12 18:38:00 quark_ i think

12 18:38:00 auchter yes, but the quotes are not optional

12 18:38:00 quark_ ohh

12 18:38:00 quark_ got me there

12 22:32:00 Blazeix Has anybody ever heard of glom?

12 22:32:00 Blazeix http://www.glom.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

12 22:32:00 Blazeix I just stumbledupon it

12 22:32:00 Blazeix It looks kind of cool, but I'm having flashbacks to Microsoft Access.

12 22:33:00 Blazeix it has a postgresql backend, so I guess it is better than the horrible messes that Access makes

12 22:57:00 tommost You know things have gone to far when... http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx

12 23:35:00 tommost Why is this CPU so much cheaper than other quad cores? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103244

13 00:17:00 kleinjt a bunch of the earlier AMD quad cores had some silicon errors. I'm not sure if this one did

13 00:17:00 tommost Some of the reviews reference that, yes.

13 02:25:00 andy753421 for the record, text objects in vim are amazing

13 02:32:00 Blazeix andy753421: yeah, I'm still at the point where I'm excited when I realize I can use them.

13 14:56:00 tommost Crazy awesome: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=39391378919

13 16:43:00 bembry anyone here remember shift registers?

13 16:46:00 auchter yes

13 16:46:00 auchter (i'm assuming that relates to the digital homework i haven't looked at yet)

13 16:46:00 bembry lol yes it does

13 16:47:00 bembry when you shift left/right, do the select pins get integrated with the outputs

13 16:47:00 auchter ->aim

13 17:57:00 Morasique auchter: does C-c stop page loading for you in vimperator?

13 18:53:00 auchter Morasique: yes

13 18:53:00 auchter i never knew about that

13 20:44:00 Morasique auchter: it doesn't work for me, i don't know why

13 20:45:00 Morasique it never has

13 20:46:00 auchter i've always just used :stop

13 20:47:00 Morasique auchter: that's what it's bounds too; that doesn't work either

13 20:48:00 auchter odd

13 22:03:00 auchter so ever since i tried to install the new ati drivers (which resulted in X not starting anything but 800x600, even after downgrading to 8,10, the 8.9) i've been forced to use the radeonhd drivers

13 22:04:00 auchter those seem to have made my system rather unstable

13 22:04:00 auchter my laptop has crashed like 10 times in the past 4 days, it's getting really frustrating

13 22:04:00 auchter it just hard freezes at random times

13 22:59:00 tommost I'm sorry.

13 22:59:00 tommost hugs auchter

13 23:09:00 shatly_ waves

13 23:46:00 andy753421 anyone ever have latex barf when on something like \includegraphics[height=8 cm]{test.png} and complain about runaway arguments?

13 23:48:00 andy753421 apparently it's something wrong with [height=8 cm] because when I take that out it works.. but i Know i've used that before

13 23:48:00 tommost My server isn't recognizing my new Intel Gigabit Ethernet card.

13 23:48:00 tommost Is there something special I'm supposed to do?

13 23:48:00 tommost It shows up in lspci.

13 23:49:00 andy753421 oh blast, graphics vs. graphicx

13 23:57:00 tommost Any ideas?

14 00:04:00 auchter modprobe e1000?

14 00:06:00 tommost Gah, that came just after I shut it down. :(

14 00:08:00 tommost Well, no new interfaces appear when I do that.

14 00:21:00 auchter Administrator ftw

14 03:07:00 jboticsource i was trying to install samba in ubuntu and got this:

14 03:07:00 jboticsource sudo apt-get install samba-client

14 03:07:00 jboticsource Reading package lists... Done

14 03:07:00 jboticsource Building dependency tree

14 03:07:00 jboticsource Reading state information... Done

14 03:07:00 jboticsource Package samba-client is a virtual package provided by:

14 03:07:00 jboticsource  smbclient 2:3.2.3-1ubuntu3.3

14 03:07:00 jboticsource You should explicitly select one to install.

14 03:07:00 jboticsource E: Package samba-client has no installation candidate

14 03:07:00 jboticsource any ideas on how to fix that?

14 03:07:00 MrBucket101 synaptic?

14 03:09:00 jboticsource D'oh. yea i can do that.   thanks

14 03:09:00 Morasique synaptic is just a gui for apt, i doubt it'll change anything

14 03:09:00 Morasique it's saying you need to install smbclient

14 03:09:00 Morasique apt-get install smbclient

14 03:10:00 MrBucket101 I've got a n00b problem that i can't seem to fix, I've got two folders and I would like to create a sym link for folder /IPA so that when i navigate to it i get linked to  /private/var/mobile/Library/Downloads

14 03:11:00 MrBucket101 it should just be" ln -s /IPA /private/var/mobile/Library/Downloads" correct?

14 03:11:00 jboticsource thanks

14 03:17:00 Morasique MrBucket101: other way around

14 03:18:00 MrBucket101 ah ok

14 03:18:00 MrBucket101 that might be why

14 03:18:00 MrBucket101 it still doesn't seem to be working

14 03:18:00 Morasique what error?

14 03:19:00 MrBucket101 the command executes but when i browse the system im not being linked

14 03:19:00 Morasique ls /IPA/

14 03:19:00 Morasique ?

14 03:19:00 MrBucket101 when i remove the -s it says hard link not allowed for that directory

14 03:20:00 Morasique no, you can't hardlink directories, i said ls

14 03:20:00 Morasique try listing the files in /IPA

14 03:21:00 MrBucket101 its got a sym link inside the folder

14 03:21:00 MrBucket101 DOH

14 03:21:00 MrBucket101 if i just rm the dir

14 03:21:00 MrBucket101 will that eliminate the link as well or do  ineed another command

14 03:21:00 Morasique i'm not sure what your issue is. did the directory /IPA already exist? you need to remove it before you can make a symlink if it did

14 03:22:00 MrBucket101 yeah i created /IPA first

14 03:22:00 jboticsource sudo sshfs kinziejh@rhitrobotics.org/rhrt /mnt/robotics

14 03:22:00 jboticsource missing host

14 03:22:00 jboticsource see `sshfs -h' for usage

14 03:22:00 jboticsource samba wont accept my root password

14 03:22:00 jboticsource so i tried to use sshfs

14 03:22:00 jboticsource and got that

14 03:22:00 Morasique jboticsource: you need a : between the machine path and the filesystem path

14 03:22:00 Morasique kinziejh@rhitrobotics.org:/rhrt

14 03:23:00 Morasique MrBucket101: if you're making a symlink at /IPA something can't already be there

14 03:24:00 MrBucket101 oooo

14 03:24:00 MrBucket101 so i should rm -R /IPA

14 03:24:00 MrBucket101 then rerun the comand

14 03:24:00 Morasique yes. assuming nothing important is in /IPA, it doesn't sound like there is

14 03:26:00 MrBucket101 nah just empty

14 03:27:00 MrBucket101 awesome it worked

14 03:27:00 MrBucket101 thax morasique

14 03:35:00 MrBucket101 will someone try and VNC to this server mrbucket101.kicks-ass.org:5905

14 03:35:00 MrBucket101 I'm messing around with some things and would like someone else to test it out

14 03:35:00 MrBucket101 (make sure you use 8-bit color and turn the local cursor off)

14 13:23:00 tommost Congratulations, Angel Learning: Your product doesn't work in Internet Explorer ESC.

14 13:27:00 tommost And the Attachments button doesn't work at all...

14 13:38:00 tommost Okay, ESC is just about the most annoying thing ever.  I'm downloading Opera—and to do so I had to go through 3 dialog boxes to add it to my "trusted sites".

14 13:43:00 Morasique tommost: maybe you're not ready for enhanced security yet

14 13:44:00 tommost I suspect that everyone who tries to use ESC will end up doing what I did—I couldn't even get it to disable properly.  I even had to add *Microsoft* sites to the trusted sites list.

14 13:55:00 Morasique http://abstrusegoose.com/81

14 14:20:00 jboticsource http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9123338&source=NLT_PM

14 14:31:00 Morasique i couldn't get that bug to work

14 15:09:00 Morasique anybody in F217?

14 15:10:00 kleinjt no, but I'm in M233. I can walk over if you need something restarted.

14 15:11:00 kleinjt or some button pressed or something

14 15:11:00 Morasique yeah, the mac in there isn't responding, i'm assuming somebody shut it off

14 15:15:00 tommost gasps at Morasique's blasphemy

14 15:15:00 kleinjt the mac in F217 was on

14 15:15:00 kleinjt :/

14 15:15:00 Morasique oh good. ok, thanks

14 15:16:00 kleinjt what are you doing to the mac? :/

14 15:16:00 Morasique trying to take screenshots for our senior project

14 15:16:00 tommost How are you doing that remotely?  VNC?

14 15:18:00 Morasique yeah

14 15:32:00 cgiirc377 i have a question about accessing tibia; anyone have a minute?

14 15:33:00 tommost Ask away.

14 15:33:00 cgiirc377 first off, i presume that i need to configure the kerberos stuff to be able to log in?

14 15:34:00 tommost Nope; tibia is available via Windows file sharing.  The authentication is built into samba.

14 15:35:00 cgiirc377 when i try the  mount for tibia, i get that i cant chage directories into the specified mountpoint (i tried several, including the suggested one

14 15:37:00 cgiirc377 upon failing at the terminal path, i went and tried in nautilis, and never got the password prompt.

14 15:37:00 Morasique the terminal way just worked for me; what's the exact error?

14 15:39:00 cgiirc377 using the mount path shown in the wiki..

14 15:39:00 cgiirc377 "mount error: can not change directory into mount target /mnt/tibia/

14 15:39:00 cgiirc377 do i need to create this mount point first somehow?

14 15:40:00 Morasique the directory needs to exist first

14 15:40:00 Morasique an empty one

14 15:42:00 cgiirc377 upon editing to an empty directory (just a tibia folder on my desktop), i get a mount error 13

14 15:43:00 Morasique i think that's permission denied

14 15:43:00 Morasique wrong username/password?

14 15:45:00 cgiirc377 shouldn't be.

14 15:46:00 cgiirc377 i get a password promt after entering the mount, but still a permission denied

14 15:47:00 cgiirc377 with every variation of username, username @rose-hulman.edu, password, PASSWORD, etc i can think of.

14 15:48:00 Morasique it should just be username where it says KERBEROS_USERNAME and your kerberos password where it says KERBEROS_PASSWORD

14 15:48:00 Morasique are you on campus?

14 15:48:00 cgiirc377 yep

14 15:49:00 Morasique does your password have special characters? you might have to put quotes around it

14 15:51:00 cgiirc377 nope. brb checking tibia password...(99.9% isn't positive)

14 15:59:00 cgiirc031 yep, wrong password.

14 15:59:00 cgiirc031 hour and a half of my life i wish i had back...

14 16:00:00 cgiirc031 still woulda messed up the empty directory thing

14 16:00:00 cgiirc031 thanks

14 16:28:00 auchter could someone give me an idea of how angel's ``automatic download launcher'' could ever be useful?

14 16:30:00 Morasique auchter: you accidentally disconnect your mouse right after clicking the link, and you need the document open asap

14 16:30:00 tommost Well, with with some mechanical augmentation Angel could take advantage of it to automatically stab people after 5 seconds of inactivity.

14 16:31:00 Morasique s/your mouse/all input devices/

14 16:31:00 auchter angel makes me so sad

14 16:42:00 Morasique i <3 angel

14 16:45:00 tommost Morasique: They offered you a job? ;)

14 16:48:00 Morasique tommost: they rejected me, actually. i think i complained vociferously in #rhnoise at the time

14 16:49:00 tommost Because you wanted the chance to reject them, I suppose?

14 16:51:00 Morasique it was more the fact that i thought a job offer was inevitable; given a month with nothing else to do i could write angel from scratch, there's nothing in that product i don't know how to code

14 16:52:00 tommost Indeed.  And code better than the people already working at Angel.

14 16:58:00 Blazeix Its a job security thing. They won't hire anybody who makes them look bad.

14 16:58:00 Blazeix that would certainly explain the quality of angel

14 16:58:00 tommost Morasique: Were you careful to hide your scorn?

14 17:03:00 Morasique tommost: we didn't really talk about angel much

14 17:03:00 tommost Does the company do anything else?

14 17:03:00 tommost Or were they quizzing you or something?

14 17:04:00 Morasique they asked generic programming problems, not stuff about angel specifically

14 17:07:00 tommost andy753421: You should hack up the web IRC client to do a reverse DNS lookup on the user's IP address and fill in their hostname as the default username.

14 17:07:00 andy753421 tempting

14 17:12:00 andy753421 it's in perl, so I won't be doing that real soon though

14 17:12:00 tommost auchter: Time for you to step up.

14 17:15:00 Morasique the reverse dns thing doesn't work anymore, it doesn't show usernames

14 17:16:00 Morasique like my laptop shows up as etudes-1.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu

14 17:19:00 auchter having it show usernames was a rather large privacy issue

14 17:24:00 andy753421 yea, but even hostnames are better than `cgiirc\d\d\d'

14 17:24:00 auchter of course

14 17:35:00 auchter score, turns out the four computers we've been using as endtables in the living room are P4s and sempron 64s

14 17:35:00 auchter looks like i'll be setting up a mythbox soon

14 17:35:00 jboticsource so they be used as stoves too!

14 17:35:00 tommost Cool.

14 21:44:00 tommost andy753421: Problems?

14 21:44:00 andy753421 oh, i switched from wired to wireless

14 22:17:00 shatly_ 555555555

14 22:18:00 Morasique ...

14 23:35:00 tommost Anyone happen to know the LaTeX escape for the symbol like <>?

14 23:38:00 tommost Like \lozenge, but horizontal.

14 23:40:00 auchter in math mode?

14 23:40:00 tommost Yeah.

14 23:41:00 auchter uh, < and > work fine for me.

14 23:41:00 auchter \lte and \gte for the equal equivalents

14 23:41:00 tommost No, I mean, like that but with them joined into a diamond.

14 23:41:00 auchter oh, ok

14 23:44:00 tommost I have never produce such ugly LaTeX—both in source and in product—as I have for this databases assignment.

14 23:47:00 tommost From the textbook, talking about migrating between DBMSs: "If the user is diligent in using only those features that are part of the [SQL] standard, and if both relational systems faithfully support the standard, then conversion between the two systems should be much simplified."

14 23:48:00 tommost You can laugh now.

14 23:54:00 tommost This book also mentions COBOL.

14 23:54:00 auchter heh, if i was an SE, i would learn COBOL like no other

14 23:55:00 tommost glares at auchter

14 23:55:00 auchter i'm actually being very serious

14 23:55:00 auchter do you know how much running code out there is in COBOL?

14 23:56:00 tommost A scary amount.

14 23:56:00 auchter do you know how old those maintainers are?

14 23:56:00 tommost They will retire/die soon.

14 23:56:00 auchter exactly.

14 23:57:00 tommost If I were to learn COBOL I'd have to leave caps lock on all the time.  That alone is enough to scare me away.

14 23:58:00 auchter m4 ftw

14 23:58:00 tommost "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense."

14 23:58:00 auchter yeah, dj rocks

14 23:58:00 auchter (that's how i ``pronounced'' his name during a networks presentation)

14 23:59:00 tommost Awesome.

15 00:00:00 tommost I aim to avoid a programming language where local variables are considered a feature.

15 00:02:00 andy7534211 tommost: \diamond ?

15 00:02:00 andy7534211 (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Mathematics#List_of_Mathematical_Symbols)

15 00:03:00 tommost No, not wide enough.  (I already looked through that page.)

15 00:03:00 andy7534211 not wide enough?

15 00:06:00 andy7534211 out of curiosity, what do you need it for?

15 00:06:00 tommost Not equal in my databases homework.

15 00:06:00 tommost I don't really need it much, I just used \neq

15 00:06:00 andy7534211 alright

15 00:07:00 tommost (The diamond is the symbol he used in class.)

15 00:18:00 Morasique tommost: i used $\diamondsuit$ in logic, did you try that?

15 00:18:00 tommost No, it still doesn't look wide enough.

15 00:38:00 auchter interesting page brought on by a C discussion in #rhnoise: http://gcc.gnu.org/c99status.html

15 01:08:00 andy7534211 Is there a proper way to do this in latex? http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/example.pdf

15 01:09:00 auchter what do you mean by proper?

15 01:09:00 andy7534211 i always use `\begin{description}' and then use `\item[Heading] \ \\' but that seems like a kludge

15 01:10:00 tommost That's exactly what I was about to suggest...

15 01:10:00 andy7534211 having the heading and the text on the same line has always annoyed me with \begin{description}

15 01:12:00 tommost I like that formatting, actually.  Aside from when it interacts poorly with a nexted \begin{enumerate}

15 01:12:00 andy7534211 I do if you can merge the heading into the first sentence, but otherwise not

15 01:13:00 andy7534211 so like `\item[Red apples] are delicious and much better than green apples.'

15 01:51:00 andy7534211 kj:w

15 01:54:00 andy7534211 Morasique: apparently i have a nervous twitch to move the cursor up and down lines as well as saving ;)

15 02:01:00 andy7534211 I really want to put the phrase `series of tubes' in my graduate school application, but i think it's a better idea not to..

15 02:01:00 tommost :)

15 02:02:00 andy7534211 you know.. if I define the data structure in curin that handles pipelining to be called a `tube' it will be valid

15 02:02:00 Morasique i'm for it

15 07:55:00 andy753421 FYI, (ece majors mabye?) they're having another one of their digilent competitions

15 12:40:00 Morasique everyone-- for constantly quitting and rejoining

15 14:42:00 tommost Apparently IAIT doesn't support Postgres any more. IAIT--

15 14:43:00 Morasique i'm surprised they ever did

15 14:43:00 auchter tommost: no, they've suggest everyone migrate to excel instead

15 14:43:00 auchter s/suggest/&ed/

15 14:44:00 tommost I have to use MySQL. :(

15 14:44:00 quark_ whats wrong with mysql?

15 14:44:00 quark_ and why does iait have to support it for you to use it?

15 14:44:00 tommost Fortunately, I don't have to deal with it myself, since I'm using an ORM.

15 14:44:00 Morasique http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Waiting-to-Excel-.aspx

15 14:46:00 tommost quark_: Mainly it's that every time I've tried to deal with it on my own it's been a massive pain.  Although that's mainly an administrative concern, which IAIT is shouldering the burden of.  Also, MySQL sucks at being a relational database compared to PostgreSQL.

15 14:46:00 quark_ nod

15 14:46:00 tommost quark_: I'm trying to move the Thorn's stuff off of my server onto IAIT's... I won't be here forever.

15 14:47:00 quark_ ahhh

15 14:47:00 tommost Still, I could swear that I'd seen them offering Postgres databases at one point.  I'm confused.

15 14:50:00 tommost Ha! http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/web_pages/databases/

15 14:51:00 quark_ i like mysql bcaeuse I know it the best

15 14:51:00 Morasique my favorite part: "Since the databases are only accessible from the web servers, a web-based admin tool such as phpMyAdmin (for MySQL) or phpPgAdmin (for PostgreSQL) will be the best way to have direct access to the database.

15 14:51:00 Morasique stabs iait in the face

15 14:51:00 quark_ thats normal

15 14:52:00 tommost quark_: No, it's stupid.

15 14:52:00 tommost Sort of like the rate limiting on the bandwidth tool.

15 14:52:00 Morasique it's idiotic

15 14:52:00 Morasique particularly since they don't offer phpmyadmin anywhere; you have to set it up yourself

15 14:52:00 Morasique and it's an annoying tool

15 14:53:00 tommost phpPgAdmin is actually decent.

15 14:53:00 tommost But yeah, myAdmin is terrible.

15 14:53:00 Morasique i've never really used postgres

15 14:53:00 quark_ security type things though

15 14:54:00 quark_ so you can't connect from addiator?

15 14:54:00 Morasique no, it only accepts local connections

15 14:54:00 quark_ they should run it in a jail

15 14:54:00 tommost That would seem to be what it's saying.  However, it's entirely plausible that that's not true, since the rest of the page is pretty inaccurate.

15 14:54:00 Morasique allowing connections from addiator would be acceptable, and equally secure

15 14:54:00 quark_ yeah probably

15 14:54:00 Morasique no, i've tried before, it doesn't work

15 14:55:00 Morasique on my 372 project, i used phpmyadmin constantly, it was depressing

15 14:57:00 tommost Speaking of database, I need an idea for a project for Databases.

15 14:57:00 quark_ you could migrate a bunch of mysql3 databases to mysql5 :)

15 14:57:00 quark_ in fact

15 14:57:00 quark_ i have hundreds for you to work with

15 14:58:00 tommost Ha. Ha. Ha.

15 14:58:00 Morasique Xogoth?!?

15 14:59:00 quark_ i raelly don't understand why my sound is soo buggy

15 14:59:00 quark_ consdiering i'm running an older kernel than .27

15 15:01:00 tommost addons.mozilla.org: "Log in to install this experimental add-on."  Fuck you too, Mozilla.

15 15:02:00 Morasique tommost: http://www.bugmenot.com/view/addons.mozilla.com

15 15:05:00 tommost Hmmm... yes, I remember having a bookmarklet for that site at one point.  I should rediscover that.

15 15:10:00 Morasique it's a wonderful site. there's a firefox plugin that lets you right-click a login form and choose "login with bugmenot"

15 15:12:00 quark_ http://ardnew.com/~quark/bloddy.jpg

15 15:12:00 quark_ sweet

15 15:12:00 jboticsource classey, how did u earn that?

15 15:13:00 quark_ umm

15 15:13:00 quark_ fell down some stairs

15 15:13:00 quark_ hitting a mailbox on the way

15 15:13:00 quark_ then the pavement

15 15:13:00 jboticsource did u break anything?

15 15:13:00 quark_ don't think so

15 15:13:00 quark_ maybe the mailbox

15 15:13:00 jboticsource haha, you look like you were in good spirits in the pic

15 15:14:00 quark_ i was

15 15:14:00 quark_ very good spirits

15 15:14:00 quark_ didn't let it get me down

15 15:14:00 quark_ it was after we walked home from campus on friday night

15 15:14:00 quark_ i live on 6th street

15 15:15:00 auchter 13th street is cooler than 6th street

15 15:15:00 jboticsource the good spirits or the good spirits?  Are you in a fraternity on that street or just have a residence there?

15 15:15:00 quark_ i live at adelphia

15 15:15:00 jboticsource btw we have moved to playing 20 questions

15 15:15:00 quark_ and I had the good spirits

15 15:15:00 quark_ from the good spirits

15 15:15:00 jboticsource :)

15 15:15:00 quark_ so I don't really live in a frat

15 15:16:00 jboticsource i knew schmitty

15 15:16:00 quark_ oh yeah

15 15:16:00 jboticsource while he was here

15 15:16:00 quark_ nice

15 15:16:00 quark_ mhmmm

15 15:16:00 jboticsource i live at VQ

15 15:17:00 quark_ our house is pretty kickass

15 15:17:00 quark_ it is a mansion

15 15:17:00 jboticsource i have been there a few times

15 15:17:00 jboticsource i am a friend of zak rubin who was a dj there a few times

15 15:17:00 jboticsource i came with him and helped him set up etc

15 15:17:00 quark_ oh man

15 15:18:00 quark_ that was one of our worst parties ever lol

15 15:18:00 quark_ the techno party

15 15:18:00 quark_ doesn't usually get the girls dancing all hot and sexy

15 15:18:00 jboticsource apparently not.  turns out women dont really  like drum and bass

15 15:19:00 quark_ yeah

15 15:19:00 auchter noise > dnb

15 15:19:00 quark_ lol

15 15:20:00 jboticsource we are in your room hijackin your threads

15 15:22:00 quark_ fuck facebook

15 15:23:00 quark_ i check it all the time

15 15:23:00 jboticsource it is an addiciton

15 15:23:00 auchter facebook++

15 15:23:00 quark_ also

15 15:24:00 quark_ 6th street kicks 13th's ass

15 15:24:00 quark_ hands down

15 15:24:00 auchter you're lying to me

15 15:24:00 jboticsource what is on 13 that claims to be so good?

15 15:24:00 quark_ no way

15 15:24:00 auchter 6th is only good as a convenient way to shuttle between ohio and wabash

15 15:24:00 auchter 13th is just plain fun to drive down

15 15:25:00 quark_ but we are talking about living on it

15 15:25:00 quark_ i could careless about driving

15 15:25:00 auchter i don't live on either, so it's really irrelevant

15 15:26:00 quark_ do you live on campus

15 15:26:00 quark_ dude

15 15:26:00 auchter nope, VQ

15 15:26:00 quark_ i wonder how much I would have to spend to get rentacoder to do my homework

15 15:26:00 auchter ethics++

15 15:27:00 quark_ yeah

15 15:27:00 quark_ what the fuck are ethics

15 15:27:00 jboticsource who is ethics?  does he go to rose?

15 15:27:00 jboticsource does he belong to pike?

15 15:32:00 jboticsource quark: are you in f217?

15 15:32:00 quark_ no

15 15:32:00 quark_ i'd be the kid with the raelly fucked up nose

15 15:32:00 quark_ i'm in the library

15 15:32:00 quark_ that isn't the library is it?

15 15:32:00 quark_ that sounds like a cs lab

15 15:32:00 jboticsource yes it is

15 15:33:00 quark_ yeah

15 15:33:00 jboticsource it is the one to the right when coming into from the main hall

15 15:33:00 jboticsource on the third floor

15 15:33:00 jboticsource of moench

15 15:34:00 quark_ yeah i know where the cs lab is

15 15:34:00 quark_ i've been in there plenty of times

15 15:34:00 quark_ i just didn't know the numbers

15 15:34:00 andy7534211 anyone know how to append to pdfs into one pdf?

15 15:34:00 quark_ well I know f225

15 15:34:00 quark_ andy7534211: cat!

15 15:34:00 tommost andy7534211: pdftk

15 15:34:00 jboticsource i was being specific as to which one

15 15:34:00 quark_ that probably won't work

15 15:34:00 Morasique andy7534211: pdftk

15 15:35:00 Morasique oh. screw you tommost

15 15:35:00 tommost ;)

15 15:37:00 auchter looking at comments in autogenerated postscript is fun.  it makes me wonder why there are comments in autogenerated postscript.

15 15:37:00 Morasique i never realized until i installed vimperator, the google reader navigation hotkeys are from vim. nice

15 15:40:00 andy7534211 any way to do it without Java?

15 15:41:00 tommost pdftk is Java?

15 15:41:00 Morasique er. no

15 15:41:00 auchter pdflatex

15 15:41:00 Morasique andy7534211: app-text/pdftk?

15 15:42:00 tommost From the man page: pdftk  uses  a  slightly  modified  iText  Java  library  (http://itextpdf.sourceforge.net/)  to  read and write PDF. The author compiled this Java library using GCJ  so it could be linked with a front end written in C++.

15 15:42:00 Morasique hmm. i didn't know it used itext. we use that for our senior project

15 15:44:00 tommost It's amazing that that's the only real PDF manipulation library you could find.

15 15:44:00 andy7534211 I win, `lp -d pdf 1.pdf 2.df'

15 15:44:00 tommost I mean, there are at least 4 Python PDF generation libraries alone.

15 15:45:00 auchter hacks

15 15:45:00 quark_ is there a sweet way to do partial fraction decomposition in maple?

15 15:45:00 jboticsource yes there is

15 15:45:00 auchter convert?

15 15:45:00 jboticsource i think it is parfrac

15 15:45:00 tommost I think that binary packages are winning this one. ;)

15 15:46:00 jboticsource or if u like battle star galactica, parfrak

15 15:46:00 quark_ do you have to load something with parfrac?

15 15:46:00 auchter quark_: convert.

15 15:46:00 jboticsource i dont know

15 15:46:00 auchter ...

15 15:47:00 Morasique hey, where'd auchter go? he hasn't said anything in a while

15 15:48:00 quark_ i think parfrac is a command

15 15:48:00 jboticsource yes it is

15 15:48:00 auchter you all fail pretty horribly

15 15:48:00 auchter convert(frac, parfrac)

15 15:48:00 auchter it's not that bloody difficult

15 15:48:00 Morasique quark_: i think it's convert(frac, parfrac)

15 15:49:00 Morasique you're welcome

15 15:49:00 quark_ ohhhhh

15 15:49:00 quark_ sweet

15 15:49:00 tommost auchter: I'm sorry for you.

15 15:49:00 quark_ i like the term semi-succeed

15 15:49:00 quark_ its a lot nicer

15 15:49:00 auchter i'll start using it, because i'm a nice person

15 15:50:00 tommost auchter: I'll hold you to that.

15 16:04:00 quark_ http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1229373533285.jpg

15 17:33:00 auchter hehe, spamassassin categorizes emails sent through angel pretty well: http://rafb.net/p/TgdGlt97.html

15 19:32:00 auchter did google just turn into digg?

15 19:33:00 kleinjt eh?

15 19:33:00 auchter there are ``remove'' and ``promote'' web-2.0y buttons next to each result

15 19:35:00 kleinjt I hope they go away in lynx

15 19:35:00 kleinjt they do :)

15 19:36:00 kleinjt it isn't a problem if you use a real web browser

15 19:36:00 auchter adblock to the rescue!

15 19:49:00 Morasique auchter: those have been there for like 3 weeks

15 19:50:00 auchter lies

15 19:55:00 ferrelaj_laptop auchter: it's true, they have

15 19:58:00 auchter well, that's too bad then

15 20:23:00 Morasique is there a way to move stuff with the keyboard in dia?

15 20:28:00 tommost I'm very fond of Angel's quiz application.  I especially like the way it sits and does JavaScript BS for about ten seconds on every page load.  And I love the way each question is on its own page.

15 20:29:00 tommost It even makes Pandora skip each time I load a quiz question.

15 20:30:00 Morasique each question is on a separate page? i think that's your professor's fault

15 20:31:00 Morasique yeah, there's an option to show all questions, one question/page, and one/question per page with no back button

15 20:31:00 tommost These questions are very confusingly written, too.  They're all true/false, and if you squint at them one way they're true, and another way, false.

15 20:31:00 Morasique so your professor hates you

15 20:31:00 Morasique that's why true/false questions are awful

15 20:33:00 tommost Oh, there are back buttons.  But if you decide that you got one wrong you have to go back one page at a time.  With that 10 second JavaScript bonus, it's probably more trouble than it's worth.

15 20:33:00 Morasique ah. that makes no sense then, i'm not sure why you'd ever use that quiz format

15 20:35:00 tommost Angel is using both the YUI and Dojo JavaScript libraries. WTF‽

15 20:36:00 auchter OS quizzes? yeah, those were a blast

15 20:37:00 tommost And they're using the form of Dojo widgets where you write it in the HTML and then Dojo spiders through the DOM looking for the widgets.  This may explain that 10-second delay.

15 20:37:00 Morasique tommost: one javascript library is insufficient for the majesty that is angel

15 20:38:00 tommost Oh, and they use FCKEditor, too.  Dojo already has an editor built in.

15 20:38:00 tommost Also, why is the editor JS included in this page?  All it has on it is four radio buttons and a few buttons.

15 20:40:00 Morasique tommost: you should work at angel so you could fix it. assuming they let you

15 20:40:00 Morasique glares

15 20:40:00 tommost I wonder if this quiz would work in PDA mode...

15 20:41:00 tommost The trouble is, the PDA mode doesn't seem to have any navigation, so you have to click on random links until you eventually reach your destination.

15 20:42:00 Morasique that sounds rather like normal ANGEL too

15 20:43:00 Morasique is this quiz timed? it seems like you should be doing it instead of pouring over the javascript behind it

15 20:43:00 tommost Yeah, 19 minutes.

15 20:43:00 tommost Oh yeah, it doesn't even tell me how much time is left.  Angel blows.

15 20:44:00 Morasique it used to have a little box at the top-right

15 20:45:00 auchter so awesome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge

15 20:52:00 Morasique lug presentation this week: useless SE diagrams and why they're useless

15 20:52:00 Morasique ...a linux perspective

15 20:53:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/angel-quiz-load.png

15 20:54:00 tommost I was not exaggerating.

15 20:54:00 Morasique wow. think if you weren't dual-core

15 20:54:00 auchter tommost: send that to angel's support email

15 20:54:00 tommost Yeah.  I got a question wrong, and I know which one it is (a later question made the wording clear).  I really don't care enough to fix it.

15 20:55:00 Morasique to think most of their programming questions were about efficiency

15 21:00:00 auchter nothing bothers me more than having to log into angel daily to download a powerpoint presentation which, on the last slide, lists what is due for the next class

15 21:01:00 auchter it's the perfect storm of stupidity

15 21:01:00 auchter have people not heard of AFS?

15 21:01:00 auchter you know, we've got this nifty /class deal going on

15 21:01:00 auchter it might have the potential to be used for *gasp* class materials!

15 21:02:00 Morasique usually CS classes use /class, this quarter 442 and 375 both don't

15 21:02:00 auchter oh, that's right, it's far too difficult to drag a bloody file into an afs mount

15 21:02:00 auchter it's much easier to navigate angel's completely braindead (really, who the hell designed that?) interface to struggle to upload a file

15 21:03:00 auchter windows is a downright joy to use compared to angel

15 21:04:00 tommost Last week I briefly looked at writing a script to download stuff from Angel for Databases.  I tried for about an hour before deciding that it was going to hurt too much, since Angel is completely stateful.

15 21:04:00 Morasique tommost: just dealing with the randomized links is hell, i did something like that once

15 21:05:00 tommost auchter: You should break out WWW::Automate and use your perl-fu to improve all of our lives.

15 21:05:00 auchter i think a ``why angel sucks'' page needs to be made on the wiki

15 21:05:00 auchter i wouldn't even know where to begin

15 21:06:00 tommost 1) Stateful HTTP

15 21:06:00 auchter there's so much voodoo going on on those pages

15 21:06:00 tommost 2) Poor use of JavaScript

15 21:06:00 tommost 3) Security holes

15 21:06:00 tommost 4) Can't export to useful formats (calendars)

15 21:06:00 Morasique *1 class at a time*

15 21:06:00 auchter that 4 isn't an issue when your profs put schedules into ppts...

15 21:06:00 Morasique commits suicide

15 21:07:00 tommost 5) Frames.

15 21:07:00 tommost 6) Nested frames

15 21:07:00 auchter angel is so far beyond unusable

15 21:07:00 tommost 7) Ugliness

15 21:08:00 Morasique oh, i forgot to ever mention this. for OS this quarter archana changed my privileges while i was signed in, and it didn't change until i logged out and logged back in, which makes me think privileges are stored in your session cookie. somebody should look at the angel cookie and see what's in it, i would not be surprised to see a flag named "control all things"

15 21:09:00 tommost Maybe they're using ASP postback?

15 21:10:00 Morasique whaty-what?

15 21:11:00 tommost It's where they use JavaScript to convert every link click into a POST of a global form.  The form has a hidden field that contains a big blob of base64-encoded and encrypted session data.

15 21:11:00 Morasique please say they don't really do that

15 21:11:00 tommost That way they can stuff lots more stuff into the session than you can fit into a cookie without using server-side storage.

15 21:12:00 tommost I have seen ASP sites that do it... it's built into the ASP forms framework or something.

15 21:12:00 tommost I'm not sure if Angel does.

15 21:13:00 Morasique that sounds like the worst plan ever

15 21:15:00 tommost Yeah.  Especially since most people's Internet connections are asymmetric—their slow upload speed can actually affect page load times because the request is so large.

15 21:16:00 Morasique i'm now certain angel uses this, it sounds very them

15 21:21:00 tommost No, I don't think that they do.  Browsing around with Firebug open I don't see any POST requests at all.  Only GETs.  But that's just as bad, since GET is supposed to be idempotent and it obviously isn't in Angel's case.

15 21:23:00 tommost Apparently I've logged into Angel 558 times.

15 21:23:00 tommost And failed 23 times.

15 21:26:00 tommost Oooo... I think that they're hiding POSTs behind redirects.

15 21:29:00 Morasique ANGEL does love redirects

15 22:00:00 Morasique impressive: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/factor.b.txt

15 22:03:00 auchter has anyone made a gcc backend for brainfuck? (would that even be possible?)

15 22:05:00 tommost Couldn't you convert it to C with a few regular expression replacments?  Why would you need a backend?

15 22:05:00 auchter i meant be able to compile C to brainfuck

15 22:06:00 tommost Ah, that makes more sense.  Also, it doesn't make more sense.

15 22:25:00 tommost shatly__: This is getting ridiculous.

15 22:27:00 Morasique hugs shatly

15 22:27:00 Morasique_ hugs shatly_

15 22:27:00 Morasique__ hugs shatly__

15 22:27:00 Morasique___ hugs shatly

15 22:30:00 kleinjt blast, apparently kleinjt++ isn't a valid nick

15 22:30:00 kleinjt oh well, it was worth a shot

15 22:41:00 auchter is there a decent way to script microsoft word/powerpoint?

15 22:42:00 auchter as in, create a quick script to take an arbitrary ppt[x] or doc[x] file and convert it to pdf without any other intervention?

15 22:42:00 tommost Yes, for some definition of "decent."  VBA.

15 22:43:00 auchter i'm guessing by the name that VBA is something i don't want to learn.

15 22:43:00 tommost You might also want to try AutoHotkey.

15 22:43:00 auchter perhaps i'll look into it sometime over break

15 22:48:00 tommost auchter: About 2/3 of the way down in this: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html

15 22:51:00 tommost Angel should take a look at that; they could automatically provide PDF versions of .doc and .ppt files.

15 22:51:00 tommost That would be a *useful* feature.

15 22:55:00 auchter yes, that would be great

15 22:55:00 Morasique tommost: awesome highlighter ftw: http://awurl.com/ZrXVIzfOB

16 01:07:00 shatly wow, did i havethat many nics!

16 01:08:00 shatly i guess lagg-o-server is going haywire

16 08:14:00 jboticsource in ubuntu, for the "connect to server" dialouge, what are the settings?  It is asking me for a workgroup, share, folder, domain name.  The wiki only has how to do it in nautilus which failed.

16 08:19:00 jboticsource nevermind, i got it to work with the command line

16 10:53:00 Morasique "nevermind, i got it to work with the command line" should be the linux motto

16 12:18:00 auchter Morasique: that's how it always happens anyway

16 12:19:00 auchter everytime you see someone complaining something doesn't work, 90% of the time they're trying to do something through the gui and failing

16 12:19:00 auchter looks at tommost

16 12:24:00 kleinjt is there an easy way to have aall standard output piped to cowsay?

16 12:27:00 auchter how do you mean?

16 12:27:00 Morasique all stdout from every program running? that sounds not-wise

16 12:27:00 Morasique s/-/ /

16 12:27:00 kleinjt it sounds like a good decision to me

16 12:28:00 kleinjt though I guess I could limit the scope of it to all commands run in a particular terminal

16 12:32:00 Morasique i think you might be able to cat /proc/*/fd/1 > cowsay, but i'm not really sure what bad things would happen

16 12:32:00 Morasique s/>/|/, and i guess that cat would never end. something like that though

16 12:34:00 andy753421 `exec 2>>(cowsay)'?

16 12:34:00 andy753421 s/2/1

16 12:35:00 Morasique he wants it for all processes though

16 12:35:00 Morasique and that looks suspiciously like plan9

16 12:35:00 andy753421 that will do it for all processes in a terminal

16 12:35:00 Morasique oh. cool

16 12:37:00 andy753421 rc would be more like `exec >[1]>{cowsay}' or `exec >>{cowsay'

16 13:08:00 auchter so i walked into f225 and i heard curt, clearly horrified, exclaim ``where'd the mac go?!''

16 13:40:00 andy753421 anyone know how to change the width of the indentation on a \begin{description}?

16 16:13:00 zz ZetaSyanthis: you still eve it up?

16 16:33:00 ZetaSyanthis yes

16 16:51:00 zz i didnt renew my subscrition so i wouldnt be tempted to play instead of study

16 16:53:00 auchter study? what's what?

16 16:53:00 auchter s/s w/s t/

16 16:58:00 zz nfi

16 16:58:00 zz off to watch a movie, dvd actually, on my tv from my laptop through my dock via svideo

16 16:59:00 auchter what happened to stuyding?

16 17:00:00 andy753421 what are we doing at this weeks lug meeting?

16 17:00:00 andy753421 and auchter, when did that guy say we can go before SGA?

16 17:00:00 auchter not sure.  kendall got back to me, we're on the schedule for after brbeak

16 17:01:00 auchter he'll be getting back to me with more details

16 17:01:00 andy753421 alright

16 17:01:00 andy753421 did you ask about summer quarter counting?

16 17:01:00 auchter no, i haven't yet

16 17:02:00 andy753421 alright

16 18:32:00 tommost glares defiantly at auchter

16 21:00:00 andy753421 has anyone ever tried to use MS Visual C?

16 21:01:00 auchter no, but your question worries me a little

16 21:01:00 andy753421 hehe, two of my teammates are trying to use it because they don't want to get GCC working on windows

16 21:02:00 andy753421 it apparently wants all my variables declared at the top of functions

16 21:02:00 andy753421 we might as well switch to K&R while we're at it

16 21:02:00 auchter isn't mingw fairly easy to get working under windows?

16 21:03:00 auchter wait, it appears that i'm an idiot

16 21:03:00 andy753421 it shouldn't be too hard..

16 21:03:00 andy753421 they have to install Gtk devel stuff too though

16 21:03:00 andy753421 I think they tried to use cygwin but it failed

16 21:04:00 auchter yeah, i'm afraid i won't be much help.  i've never done anything like that in windows before

16 21:07:00 Morasique i imagine there's a setting to make it not do that

16 21:08:00 Morasique project properties? that's where it is in visual studio

16 21:13:00 andy753421 er, any idea where at in project properties

16 21:13:00 andy753421 ?

16 21:22:00 Morasique sadly, i don't have visual studio installed anywhere

16 21:22:00 tommost Sadly?

16 21:23:00 Morasique well, sadly as it pertains to helping him find the project property

16 21:23:00 tommost Okay.  Glad you clarified that.  The whole "senior project in Java on a Mac" think has made me doubt your resolve recently.

16 21:24:00 Morasique speaking of which, somebody punch the mac in 217 in the face

16 21:24:00 Morasique i still can't connect to it

16 21:25:00 Blazeix auchter mentioned it was missing earlier

16 21:25:00 Morasique er. seriously?

16 21:25:00 Morasique normally i would applaud that, but i need it atm

16 21:25:00 auchter no, the one in 225 was missing

16 21:25:00 auchter i didn't check 217

16 21:25:00 Blazeix oh

16 21:26:00 Morasique 217 is the one across from steve's office, right?

16 21:26:00 Morasique i need that one

16 21:27:00 Blazeix yeah, we meet in F225

16 21:28:00 Morasique ok, 50 cents to somebody that finds out the mac's ip address

16 21:28:00 Morasique which, if my 442 training serves me, it has

16 21:30:00 Morasique shiny quarters!

16 21:30:00 Blazeix speaking of which, Morasique, you missed a riveting 442 class today

16 21:31:00 Blazeix We talked about password strength, and chidanandan showed us some examples of strong passwords

16 21:31:00 Morasique yeah, i was busy napping for twice as long as i normally sleep at night

16 21:31:00 Morasique ooo

16 21:31:00 Blazeix then she worriedly explained that we shouldn't use the ones that she showed us, because everyone in the class now knew them.

16 21:31:00 tommost ZetaSyanthis++

16 21:32:00 Morasique you should've asked her what her password is for an example

16 21:33:00 ZetaSyanthis ?

16 21:34:00 ZetaSyanthis How did that happen?

16 21:34:00 tommost It counts in here.

16 21:34:00 ZetaSyanthis kk

16 21:34:00 Morasique tommost--

16 21:34:00 auchter this was the reason for the ++: http://bash.org/?870063

16 21:35:00 Morasique i think "dont mind me while i emerge my ownage; while you're still over there apt-getting your porridge" may be the best part

16 21:35:00 tommost Note: that guy lost.

16 22:03:00 octaviou1 i must say XBMC gui >>> MythTV

16 22:05:00 auchter well, that's the second praise i've heard of it in two days. perhaps i'll install that instead of bothering with myth

16 22:05:00 tommost Yes, trust us.

16 22:06:00 auchter i'll be messing with that after i get done failing my 380 exam thursday

16 22:07:00 Morasique presentation!

16 22:16:00 Morasique i'm considering rewriting the whole saving mechanism in my senior project. it seems simultaneously unwise and very good

16 22:16:00 Morasique yaml--

16 22:16:00 Morasique to infinity

16 22:16:00 tommost YAML is nice.

16 22:19:00 Morasique it's so not

16 22:19:00 auchter well, that settles it then.

16 22:20:00 Blazeix yaml is nice, yaml + java serialization is bad

16 22:20:00 tommost * + Java * is bad, so I'll agree with you.

16 22:21:00 auchter Python + Java Hatred is bad

16 22:22:00 tommost I can get a statement that I agree with from that if I put the parenthesis in the right place.

16 22:23:00 Morasique i'm considering sqlite

16 22:23:00 Morasique which i should've thought of months ago

16 22:30:00 Morasique interesting. graphical grammars: http://www.sqlite.org/lang_createtable.html

16 22:31:00 tommost http://json.org/

16 22:32:00 auchter oh, that's cool.

16 22:34:00 Morasique oh, the type name is "integer", not "int". that took way too long to figure out

16 22:35:00 tommost Apparently database people love verbosity.  This databases book has lots of tables with column names like "Section_identifer" and "Student_number".  Shoot me now.

16 22:38:00 auchter verilog's int type is ``integer'' as well

16 22:38:00 Morasique gleefully shoots tommost

16 22:38:00 tommost dies, happy that he won't have to complete his databases homework assignment.

16 22:39:00 auchter i always make my variables as descriptive as possible.  Pointer_To_Head_Of_Tree is better than tp, of course

16 22:40:00 tommost ALSO, THEY LOVED CAPITAL LETTERS FOR SOME REASON.

16 22:40:00 kleinjt TheCamelCaseInOperatingSystemsAssignmentsIsAwesome

16 22:41:00 tommost OhYeahBaby.

16 22:42:00 auchter ThereIsAReasonPeopleDoNotTypeSentencesLikeThis

16 22:42:00 auchter ItIsPainfulToRead

16 22:43:00 tommost Yes, I should type my course assessment in camel case. :)

16 22:43:00 ZetaSyanthis tbh, it's no different to me

16 22:43:00 tommost And my databases one in all caps.

16 22:43:00 ZetaSyanthis iWonderHowHandingInACamelCasePaperWouldGoThough...

16 22:44:00 tommost IHaveAPaperDueFridayLetsFindOut.

16 22:45:00 auchter this digital book, and all the in class examples, use names like Clock and Reset and Clear, which bothers me.

16 22:45:00 auchter i much prefer clk, rst, clr

16 22:46:00 auchter needless to say, i don't like vowels much

16 22:47:00 ZetaSyanthis ThsSVnBttrThnNrmlCmlCs!

16 22:47:00 kleinjt s/ \w/%>/

16 22:48:00 kleinjt above likely won't work though :)

16 22:48:00 chtr i don't even know what that was supposed to do

16 23:29:00 tommost Is Mohan likely to dock lots of points for using subqueries on the homework?

16 23:42:00 zz (04:59:32 PM) auchter: what happened to stuyding?

16 23:42:00 zz Went to copo.

16 23:43:00 chtr  fantastic, glad to hear it

16 23:49:00 Blazeix Does anybody have thunderbird set up to use libnotify?

16 23:49:00 tommost You can do that?

16 23:49:00 tommost /me watches #rhlug very intently.

16 23:49:00 Blazeix I found a dbus extension for thunderbird, which I might be able to rig up to tbird, but its old I'd have to dig through the code to fix it up

16 23:50:00 Blazeix s/tbird/libnotify/

16 23:50:00 mosengmr Anyone here able to answer a quick question regarding the OS Lab 2?  If not, I can attempt to generalize the problem for those familiar with C.

16 23:50:00 Blazeix I have it working for firefox, so it seems like it should be possible for thunderbird

16 23:51:00 tommost mosengmr: Yo.

16 23:52:00 mosengmr So when I'm trying to enqueue things I create a node and set its parameters.  Everything sets fine except I am unable to set the pointer to the next node to the head of the queue

16 23:54:00 mosengmr The queue's head is pointing to the correct node, but I can't for the life of me make the next node point to it

16 23:54:00 mosengmr ptr->next = Aqueue->head;

16 23:54:00 mosengmr is how I assumed it would work

16 23:55:00 mosengmr but ptr.head stays at 0x0

16 23:55:00 tommost Why would you want to do that?  Doesn't stuff get enqueued at the end?

16 23:55:00 zz is so glad he is done with csse classes

16 23:55:00 mosengmr god damn it.  Am I trying to make a stack?

16 23:56:00 mosengmr one second.  Let me work with this for a while

16 23:56:00 mosengmr I'll get back to you

16 23:56:00 tommost Morasique: How would you grade a queue that is actually a stack?

16 23:57:00 Morasique tommost: poorly?

16 23:57:00 tommost ;)

16 23:57:00 mosengmr Yeah, I'm an idiot.  I guess I just like stacks

16 23:57:00 mosengmr they're way more fun

16 23:58:00 chtr rpn ftw

16 23:59:00 Morasique shawn handed out an implementation of a circular stack in 375 today; it was 3 pages long. i'm not sure why, other than to maybe intentionally be confusing

17 00:00:00 chtr well, it was in C++, wasn't it?

17 00:00:00 chtr that language tends to be rather verbose...

17 00:01:00 Morasique C++ doesn't really complicate the implementation though, it was just that he spread everything out really far for some reason. he's also very bad at proper indenting, somebody should make him use python at some point

17 00:02:00 andy753421 Morasique: can I see a copy of this code?

17 00:02:00 Morasique i don't have it atm, it was part of a daily quiz we turned in

17 00:02:00 andy753421 (you can't really blame him though, he /is/ a software engineer)

17 00:03:00 Morasique SEs love nonsense like indenting and comments though, i would expect the indenting to be flawless while the code itself is horribly buggy

17 00:03:00 andy753421 they also like making things way way longer than it needs to be

17 00:03:00 tommost ;)

17 00:04:00 andy753421 (at least that's my impression of software engineering)

17 00:04:00 andy753421 also, all the documentation for my senior project is rather horrifying

17 00:05:00 Morasique we're rather lacking in documentation

17 00:05:00 Morasique also comments

17 00:09:00 tommost Well, it's Java, so all you should need for comments are your ReallyLongAndDescriptiveClassNames and digustinglyLongMethodNames.

17 00:09:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/jwIh0T54.html

17 00:09:00 tommost Hey, cool idea: use all lowercase and underscores for your project.

17 00:10:00 chtr apparently we're supposed to write comments for our testbenches in 333

17 00:12:00 andy753421 well, we don't have any useful documentation, but apparently we need to document ever time we change the text on a label

17 00:13:00 andy753421 i suppose that can bee considered user interface testing stuff though, but whatever

17 00:13:00 chtr why would that sort of documentation actually be useful though?

17 00:14:00 andy753421 i have no idea, apparently there's this whole series of CSSE37x classes that tells you why it's usefull

17 00:14:00 andy753421 fortunately i refuse to double major in SE so I don't have to take any of those

17 00:15:00 chtr i've looked through some of the  books for those courses

17 00:15:00 chtr they look like complete and total drivel

17 00:15:00 chtr but that's just me

17 00:16:00 Blazeix chtr: yeah, the 37x classes are useless

17 00:16:00 tommost You're all scaring me.

17 00:16:00 tommost Tell me they're at least not hard.

17 00:16:00 Blazeix The documentation stuff is useful, but all of the classes could be condensed into 2 classes

17 00:16:00 Blazeix tommost: they're incredibly easy

17 00:17:00 tommost Okay, good.  Boring and hard don't mix well.

17 00:17:00 Blazeix well, 371 and 372 became hard after I took them, but I think they've gotten easier since then

17 00:19:00 Blazeix hehe. I just found an article on things to with the terminal. Under the "Entertainment" section they have such jewels as "banner" and "uptime"

17 00:19:00 chtr no mplayer -vo aa? :(

17 00:20:00 Blazeix no, but it does have you installing emacs solely for the snake game

17 00:20:00 mosengmr Huzzah!  I no longer have a queue-like stack (or is it a stack-like queue).

17 00:21:00 chtr mosengmr: i'd just change the project specifications, queues are cooler than stacks

17 00:21:00 chtr except for schedulers...  then that might become a problem...

17 00:22:00 chtr erm, switch stacks and queues in that sentence

17 00:22:00 mosengmr I was going to say

17 00:22:00 mosengmr stacks are waaaay better

17 01:05:00 chtr so, anyone interested in presenting thursday>

17 07:11:00 kleinjt chtr: good job killing off #rhlug

17 08:46:00 Morasique we should have a bot that bans people who leave/rejoin too often

17 08:50:00 jboticsource could we just suppress the leave join messages?

17 08:51:00 tommost jboticsource: You could use IRC on a server.

17 08:52:00 jboticsource1 I got a bunch of comps from facilites (pentium 2s and 3s), I have not put it together yet.  but what do you mean by use a server?

17 08:52:00 tommost Seriously, WTF?

17 08:52:00 jboticsource1 it was being droppy

17 08:52:00 tommost jboticsource1: Use a freaking Ethernet cable.

17 08:53:00 jboticsource1 there are no jacks in the lab room I am in :(

17 08:53:00 jboticsource1 or at least anywhere near where we are doing stuff

17 08:53:00 jboticsource1 btw I am using the txt replacement plugin now

17 08:53:00 tommost Good.

17 08:54:00 tommost Are you on Ibex?

17 08:54:00 jboticsource1 I think it just replaced like 3 things just now.  I have 8.10 installed.  I am in windows at the moment to use software for the lab.  I was on 8.10 earlier today.

17 08:55:00 jboticsource1 I lost track of the actual names. so I just use the numbers

17 08:55:00 tommost Oh, I was just wondering whether we could blame your wireless woes on Ubuntu.

17 08:56:00 tommost But it appears not at this particular moment.

17 08:56:00 jboticsource1 no, I blame it on 1X and the room

17 08:58:00 jboticsource1 and my wireless works in ubuntu, although I have noticed it being more sketchy.  But I don't know of that is a placebo.

17 08:58:00 tommost You're lucky, then.

17 08:59:00 jboticsource1 it was a fresh install

17 08:59:00 jboticsource1 fresh like 10^6 bucks

17 08:59:00 tommost Yeah, I should try that.

17 09:07:00 jboticsource1 tommost: but what do you mean by using a server? are you saying that I can talk through it some how so my online-ness is transparent?

17 09:07:00 tommost Yes.

17 09:07:00 quark_ screen and irssi

17 09:07:00 quark_ woooooooo

17 09:54:00 kleinjt hurray, screen and irssi

17 09:55:00 kleinjt it is a nice warm fuzzy feeling to see a closed channel fill up with 'Day changed to .. Dec 2008' messages.

17 12:08:00 tommost Firefox is crashing when I start it up again, yet I don't have Angel open.

17 12:09:00 tommost Okay, this is getting really annoying.

17 12:09:00 tommost Opera FTW!

17 12:19:00 chtr no, don't go to the dark side

17 12:20:00 tommost It's too late, I'm afraid.

17 12:34:00 Morasique fun fact: the mac is now named "payday"

17 13:36:00 Morasique tommost: are we planning on ever actually getting lug shirts? that wiki page has been up for a month

17 13:36:00 tommost We should bring it up at an actual meeting sometime.

17 13:37:00 tommost And Blazeix should put it in the e-mail.

17 13:37:00 tommost There aren't many people on that page.

17 13:38:00 Morasique there's more than i expected, actually

17 13:38:00 Blazeix I'm getting ready to send the email now.

17 13:39:00 Blazeix we don't have a presentation for tomorrow, right?

17 13:39:00 Morasique Blazeix: how pessimistic of you

17 13:39:00 Morasique ...but yes

17 13:40:00 Morasique Blazeix: you should send out another one at midnight, and a third an hour before the meeting

17 13:40:00 Morasique just in case

17 13:41:00 Blazeix O.K. I'll get a cs prof to make them all campus emails

17 13:41:00 Blazeix We can say, "You are all invited to a Linux Seminar!"

17 13:50:00 tommost Virtualbox clipboard integration doesn't work for me with Windows Server 2008.

17 13:50:00 tommost Has anyone else had this problem?

17 14:03:00 Morasique the ban list in this channel is pretty amusing

17 14:08:00 chtr how do you check that?

17 14:11:00 Morasique chtr: /bans

17 14:12:00 chtr nice.

17 15:19:00 tommost Raise your hand if you have any data on voodoo or phantom!

17 15:19:00 crickets chirp

17 15:32:00 Morasique we. why are they deleting the user profiles? just for giggles? i imagine those machines aren't running out of space

17 15:34:00 tommost Maybe they're fixing them?

17 15:35:00 Morasique yes, i'm sure that's it

17 15:35:00 Morasique oh. s/we/er/. btw

17 15:35:00 tommost You're right.  They're going to wipe the drives and let them sit there as vegetables.  They'd be about as useful as they are now, but less work for Darryl and McLeish.

17 15:36:00 Morasique that'd be great, then i wouldn't feel bad putting linux on it

17 18:38:00 kleinjt I had the settings on an online barcode generator to produce barcodes that scan as a valid student ID on phantom :/

17 18:40:00 chtr fun fact: your student id # is in the html of angel pages

17 19:53:00 chtr so, presentation

17 19:53:00 tommost What a novel idea.

17 19:54:00 andy753421 i'm not doing another one

17 19:54:00 tommost andy753421: Awww... but you nearly upped the record for consecutive ones.

17 19:54:00 chtr glares at people without an '@' in front of their name

17 19:55:00 tommost glares at chtr

17 19:55:00 andy753421 how about one of those ECE folks do a presentation on how to program microcontrollers?

17 19:55:00 tommost Awesome idea.

17 19:55:00 chtr what do you need to know?

17 19:56:00 tommost Say I just bought an arduino.  What now?

17 19:56:00 andy753421 well, you can probably assume that people know how to write C code for desktop systems, but that's about it

17 19:56:00 chtr download the datasheet, figure out what you want to do, write the code to do it

17 19:56:00 andy753421 compiling, putting it on the controller, testing, etc

17 19:56:00 tommost What is this "datasheet" you speak of?  Is it some sort of hardware analogue to documentation?

17 19:57:00 kleinjt alternately, skip reading datasheets and use the awesome arduino java IDE and write psudeo-c

17 19:57:00 tommost kleinjt: That sounds good.

17 19:57:00 tommost Tell me more about that.

17 19:57:00 tommost Tomorrow.

17 19:58:00 chtr tommost: usually you kind of want to know the features of the device, and what registers control what function, etc.

17 19:58:00 kleinjt the datasheet is an awesome 300+ docuement which is like our comparch processor design document but much better.

17 19:58:00 chtr compilation: avr-gcc code.c

17 19:58:00 tommost STOP TALKING NOW!!! You're spoiling your presentation tomorrow.

17 19:58:00 chtr you mean kleinjt's presentation

17 19:59:00 chtr i have three exams tomorrow, i don't plan on being sane by the end of the day

17 19:59:00 kleinjt I've got exams on friday. I'll give the presentation after break :/

17 20:00:00 chtr eh, i'll bring my arduino and a few LEDs or something.

17 20:01:00 chtr i'll show stuff like flashing an led, pwm to control brightness, reading from the serial port, i guess

17 20:01:00 chtr those are simple enough

17 20:01:00 chtr unless someone has a better idea

17 20:01:00 andy753421 sounds good

17 20:01:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, who are you?

17 20:01:00 chtr hah

17 20:01:00 tommost Hahaha.

17 20:02:00 kleinjt heh

17 20:02:00 tommost andy753421: auchter doesn't like vowels any more.

17 20:02:00 chtr chtr + aue

17 20:02:00 andy753421 ah, i just looked at the info

17 20:13:00 chtr one of the things i am going to do over break is write a nice mkfile for synthesizing verilog for the FPGA

17 20:14:00 chtr and hopefully play around with getting the bitstream to the FPGA purely in linux

17 20:14:00 chtr i'd like to not have to use windows only for downloading the code...

17 21:50:00 chtr http://9fans.net/archive/2008/12/327

17 21:59:00 Morasique waves at Blazeix

17 22:53:00 tommost I really need to get a persistent nick for #rhnoise...

17 22:54:00 Morasique addiator?

17 22:54:00 tommost You read my mind.

17 22:56:00 Morasique chtr: it's impressive how long you went before andy753421 questioned who you were

17 22:57:00 Morasique tommost: you could put your client in a screen session and not connect locally

17 22:57:00 chtr yep, i'm happy

17 22:57:00 Morasique also, arduino presentation = win

17 22:58:00 chtr i'm not going to have time to really organize anything, so it'll be pretty improvised

17 22:58:00 tommost Morasique: No!  I like my proportional fonts!

17 22:58:00 Morasique tommost: it's irc; you'll live :)

18 12:51:00 chtr so, i might not present/make it to lug today

18 12:51:00 chtr this remains to be seen

18 12:52:00 chtr right, so count on me not being there... i feel bad since i had offered to present, but i'll have a better presentation to give then after break

18 15:11:00 chtr  it's almost that time of year again: http://stallman.org/grav-mass.html

18 17:13:00 Morasique tommost_addiator is looking around in confusion

18 17:13:00 Morasique now he's standing next to me

18 17:13:00 Morasique i'm uncomfortable

18 17:13:00 Morasique he's reading my screen

18 17:13:00 Morasique T_T

18 17:13:00 jboticsource1 o no! he cant see our secret plans

18 17:13:00 jboticsource1 !

18 17:14:00 Morasique go secure! cipher green beta!

18 17:14:00 Morasique 0?Ek???E~?????]y}vp????2/9p/

18 17:14:00 Morasique chtr: you have 5 seconds to get here

18 17:15:00 Morasique chtr: you're late

18 17:17:00 Blazeix chtr: ping?

18 17:19:00 kleinjt "12:52 < chtr> right, so count on me not being there... i feel bad since i had offered to present, but i'll have a better presentation to give then after break

18 17:19:00 Blazeix interesting.

18 17:20:00 Morasique suck

18 17:20:00 jboticsource1 we can talk about shirts

18 17:20:00 Morasique i'll give a presentation on the plummeting attendance at lug meetings

18 17:20:00 jboticsource1 i came this week too :(

18 17:20:00 kleinjt I'm not showing up

18 17:20:00 Blazeix I think everyone that is here is signed up on the shirt page

18 17:21:00 Blazeix So, I like the alternative design for the shirt.

18 17:23:00 jboticsource1 i second that

18 17:24:00 Morasique serifs are for tools

18 17:24:00 Morasique the weight on the lower line seems excessive

18 17:27:00 jboticsource1 i disagree.  I think it is bold but it is popping bold.  The type of bold which is good from a distance.  I like it

18 17:28:00 jboticsource1 this meeting is just lively

18 17:29:00 Morasique well, there's ~3 of us here. do we have quorum rules in our constitution? we should vote for things

18 17:29:00 Morasique damn it, we do

18 17:30:00 jboticsource1 Pricing is currently unknown; it should be < $20. Whether the club should subsidize the shirts will be brought up at Thursday's meeting.

18 17:30:00 jboticsource1 that should have been in quotes

18 17:31:00 tommost Wait, WTF is this messed up different shirt thing?

18 17:32:00 tommost That straight apostrophe is terrible.

18 17:33:00 jboticsource1 maybe we should have 2 levels of members

18 17:33:00 jboticsource1 those who show up

18 17:33:00 jboticsource1 and those who hang out in the room

18 17:34:00 jboticsource1 and talk about linux but dont go to meeting

18 17:34:00 Morasique #rhlug-attendees and #rhlug-slackers?

18 17:34:00 tommost Yes, this should be formalized in our constitution.

18 17:35:00 jboticsource1 it would clarify the quorum

18 17:35:00 tommost That way we can count people as members who wouldn't otherwise, thus inflating our membership numbers for SGA.

18 17:35:00 jboticsource1 but now since we have quorum, we can pass it without complaints :)

18 17:35:00 jboticsource1 muahhahahahaha

18 17:35:00 tommost Don't we need more officers to pass stuff?

18 17:36:00 Morasique tommost: nope. "Greater than fifty percent of the voting members makes a quorum."

18 17:36:00 tommost Mwahahahaha!

18 17:36:00 jboticsource1 lug just owned itself

18 17:37:00 jboticsource1 oh btw

18 17:37:00 Morasique "Voting membership is to be granted only to current members who attend at least three of the past ten meetings or LUG sponsored activities."

18 17:37:00 Morasique oh crap, andy753421 is here. now we're in trouble

18 17:39:00 jboticsource1 over the summer when I was working at precise path.  I met a guy who was encouraging one of us or all of us to speak at CINLUG.  CINLUG is Central Indiana Linux Users Group.  Thoughts on going to meetings with other LUGish people from around the state?  They also have presentations and such.  We could make one there.

18 17:39:00 Morasique chtr was talking about that a little while ago

18 17:39:00 Morasique back when he still cared about lug

18 17:40:00 tommost How do you scroll up in irssi?

18 17:40:00 jboticsource1 ***tear

18 17:40:00 Morasique tommost: page up

18 17:40:00 tommost sighs

18 17:40:00 Morasique on a scale from one to ten, how annoyed would everyone be if i start talking exclusively in cowsay outputs?

18 17:40:00 jboticsource1 tommost: how do it make it do that bold thing

18 17:40:00 tommost readies a kick

18 17:40:00 Morasique _________________________

18 17:40:00 Morasique < Like this, for instance >

18 17:40:00 Morasique -------------------------

18 17:40:00 Morasique        \   ^__^

18 17:40:00 Morasique         \  (oo)\_______

18 17:40:00 Morasique            (__)\       )\/\

18 17:40:00 Morasique                ||----w |

18 17:41:00 Morasique                ||     ||

18 17:41:00 Blazeix ____

18 17:41:00 Blazeix < 10 >

18 17:41:00 Blazeix ----

18 17:41:00 Blazeix        \   ^__^

18 17:41:00 Blazeix         \  (oo)\_______

18 17:41:00 Blazeix            (__)\       )\/\

18 17:41:00 Morasique damn irssi

18 17:41:00 Blazeix                ||----w |

18 17:41:00 Blazeix                ||     ||

18 17:41:00 Blazeix uhoh

18 17:41:00 Morasique which is fairly intelligent

18 17:41:00 Morasique _______________________

18 17:41:00 Morasique < TOMMOST, YOU WILL PAY >

18 17:41:00 Morasique -----------------------

18 17:41:00 Morasique        \   ^__^

18 17:41:00 Morasique         \  (oo)\_______

18 17:41:00 Morasique            (__)\       )\/\

18 17:41:00 Morasique                ||----w |

18 17:41:00 Morasique                ||     ||

18 17:41:00 Morasique T_T

18 17:44:00 jboticsource1 ideas about CINLUG?

18 17:46:00 jboticsource1 shirts?

18 17:46:00 jboticsource1 quorum policy change?

18 17:47:00 Morasique i think we were talking about going in december

18 17:47:00 Morasique ...oops

18 17:47:00 jboticsource1 ...

18 17:50:00 jboticsource1 this is our chance to amend the constitution!

18 17:50:00 Mishtal what is CINLUG?

18 17:50:00 jboticsource1 central indiana lug

18 17:50:00 Mishtal oh

18 17:50:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-12.log#line-2997

18 17:52:00 Mishtal tommost did you manage to test your RHIT-1X connection?>

18 17:53:00 tommost Oh, I suppose that I could try that.

18 17:53:00 tommost Anyway, t-shirts.

18 17:54:00 jboticsource1 I think we should amend the constitution first so regulars can get shirts free :)

18 17:54:00 Morasique Mishtal: i don't bother anymore

18 17:54:00 Morasique jboticsource1: LUG has no funds for us to steal

18 17:54:00 jboticsource1 you have permotional budget

18 17:54:00 tommost Not yet we don't.

18 17:55:00 jboticsource1 I thought we were probationary

18 17:55:00 jboticsource1 I remember being at the meeting when you were made probationary

18 17:55:00 Mishtal tommost: and anyone else with wireless problems: Post a comment here             https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/289898

18 17:56:00 Mishtal Ubuntu users, anyway

18 17:56:00 Morasique i think andy753421 and chtr might be embezzling that money

18 17:56:00 jboticsource1 hopefully to give it to the robotics team ;)

18 17:56:00 Morasique Mishtal: er. i don't have that problem at all

18 17:56:00 Morasique i think it's probably to buy candy

18 17:58:00 tommost Morasique: Do you have the latest kernel?

18 17:58:00 Mishtal Morasique: as far as I know, it doesn't affect any of the seniors

18 17:59:00 Mishtal however, several of the juniors and sophomores who i have spoken with report the problem

18 18:02:00 jboticsource1 we should go find other lugs and invade their  chat rooms

18 18:03:00 kleinjt start with UAF's, we can return the favor

18 18:03:00 Morasique tommost: beat him senseless

18 18:03:00 Morasique (boland is here)

18 18:03:00 Morasique tommost, Blazeix, jboticsource1: i for one refuse to talk with my voice. screw you guys

18 18:39:00 Morasique there's new signs on the free stuff table that say "CS" instead of "Civil"

18 18:40:00 jboticsource iam pretty sure that those were just the ones that were not picked up yesterday.

18 18:40:00 Morasique oh, i didn't see the CS ones yesterday

18 18:46:00 tommost Damnit, I just realized that all the problems I've been having with my OS homework were caused by misreading the gettimeofday man page.  microseconds != milliseconds.

18 18:47:00 tommost Coding while tired: doable.  Reading documentation: bad idea.

18 19:34:00 Blazeix It occurs to me that we probably should have decided who was going to present after break

18 19:35:00 tommost auchter said he would.

18 19:35:00 Blazeix I have two ideas for things I could present on: the new version of solaris and the vala/genie languages

18 19:35:00 andy753421 Blazeix: sign up for a time: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Presentations

18 19:40:00 Morasique tommost: well, auchter's made promises before

18 19:40:00 Morasique glares at chtr

18 19:54:00 Morasique jboticsource and Mishtal are having an interesting conversation in the lab

18 19:59:00 Morasique tommost: way to leave

18 19:59:00 tommost Yup.  What with all the assistance you provided, I didn't have any reason left to stay.

18 20:00:00 Morasique good point

18 20:03:00 tommost Also, dinner >> Morasique.

18 20:03:00 tommost Sorry.

18 20:32:00 Morasique maple shouldn't reserve single letters for function names; that's not cool

18 20:32:00 Morasique maybe i want to name my variable D, or I, or O

18 20:33:00 andy753421 maybe you're wrong?

18 20:33:00 tommost andy753421: How dare you...‽

18 20:35:00 Morasique andy753421: unprotect(D, I, O): disagrees with you

18 20:40:00 collinjc Does bibtex support movie citations?

18 20:44:00 Morasique collinjc: you could use misc with howpublished=film

18 20:45:00 collinjc Hmm... That probably won't get it in proper MLA format though.

18 21:17:00 tommost Does bibtex even support MLA format?  The last time I tried to get it I failed.

18 21:20:00 Morasique tommost: i think there's a package for it, i recall using it once

18 21:59:00 MrBucket101     /msg nickserv register <031502> <MrBucket101@aol.com>

18 21:59:00 MrBucket101 ^ I think i did that wrong

18 21:59:00 MrBucket101 oops

18 23:14:00 Morasique who names their computer "tigger"?

18 23:23:00 MrBucket101 a fan of winnie the pooh?

18 23:55:00 chtr so, how'd the meeting go?

18 23:56:00 Blazeix you can read the logs, most of it happened via irc

18 23:56:00 chtr yeah, i was a bit frightened by some of the logs

19 01:31:00 tommost I like the more spaced out version of the sans-serif logo, aside from the R, which really has to be fixed.

19 03:07:00 andy753421 anyone know a quick way to restore the default theme of a powerpoint in open office or something?

19 03:08:00 andy753421 I have slides that have an annoying background and the text is unreadable and I'd like to just have it be black on white

19 03:17:00 shatly andy753421: one question

19 03:17:00 shatly do you have any c++ ebooks that you can recomend?

19 03:18:00 andy753421 er, no, actually i can't recommend anything involving C++ for that matter

19 03:18:00 shatly ah

19 03:18:00 shatly any program language?

19 03:19:00 andy753421 C, Ruby, Bash.. what are you doing?

19 03:19:00 andy753421 curin :P

19 03:19:00 ZetaSyanthis whitespace

19 03:19:00 ZetaSyanthis Shakespeare Code is another good one :)

19 03:20:00 shatly trying not to be bord without internet at my grandma's house

19 03:20:00 shatly as far as i know this is the last day

19 03:27:00 andy753421 Ruby is fun, but so is bash

19 03:28:00 andy753421 m4 is interesting

19 03:29:00 andy753421 as is tcl

19 03:30:00 andy753421 and i've been meaning to learn fourth some day

19 03:36:00 shatly i need to take a c++ class here so i might as wel teach me that

19 03:37:00 ZetaSyanthis python is always fun too

19 03:37:00 shatly everyone hates c++ i see

19 03:46:00 Morasique or we just don't read programming ebooks about it

19 03:47:00 shatly my outher group of people are also trying to convince me to not learn c++

19 03:47:00 Morasique "also"? i don't recall us saying anything of the sort

19 03:59:00 andy753421 what class do you have to take that teaches c++?

19 04:00:00 shatly cs 2o1

19 04:00:00 shatly i go to UAF

19 04:00:00 shatly not RH

19 04:00:00 shatly i guess they want me to learn python

19 04:01:00 shatly so any impresons on c++ vs hackshell vs python for noobs

19 04:01:00 andy753421 python is like Ruby, except lamer

19 04:02:00 andy753421 and by hackshell do you mean haskell?

19 04:02:00 shatly ay

19 04:02:00 andy753421 haskell is cool, but it can also be really annoying

19 04:02:00 andy753421 like when you want to print something...

19 04:03:00 shatly so what one of the 4 (adding ruby) do you recomend

19 04:03:00 shatly for a first language

19 04:05:00 andy753421 python is probably the 'easiest' and more like other common languages, but the down side is that you risk getting assimilated by the pythonians

19 04:06:00 andy753421 C++/Ruby/Python can all be programmed object orientedly which is what I assume they want you to learn

19 04:07:00 andy753421 (ruby does it the best)

19 04:07:00 shatly i just wnat to learn a basic language

19 04:07:00 shatly any sights you recomend

19 04:07:00 andy753421 (although if tommost reads that he will probably disagree)

19 04:07:00 shatly (no asscouss to a book store)

19 04:08:00 andy753421 you could play with the online ruby interpreter: http://tryruby.hobix.com/

19 04:12:00 shatly is running on 41 hours of up time

19 04:15:00 shatly falls over

19 07:30:00 Morasique java fail: http://mrozekma.com/wtf.png

19 09:57:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m684c74e5

19 09:57:00 shatly waves

19 09:58:00 shatly is at the airport, trying to download python guides

19 10:44:00 andy753421 was anyone else up for tenure/tenure track?

19 11:08:00 tommost How do I stop bibtex from lowercasing proper nouns in titles?

19 11:10:00 shatly sooooooooooooo

19 11:10:00 shatly tommost: what is a good programing language for the first one

19 11:11:00 tommost shatly: reMorse

19 11:13:00 Morasique unbelievable, a third time? he's worse than all-campus e-mails

19 11:13:00 Morasique tommost: put braces around the line

19 11:14:00 Morasique title = "{Foo Bar}"

19 11:16:00 shatly i just always head that c++ is a good first

19 11:16:00 shatly then now i am told no, so i am asking diffrnt people

19 11:17:00 Morasique i would think c++ is kind of hard for your first language, but go for it

19 11:18:00 tommost Morasique: I had the braces, but the quotes helped.  Thanks.

19 11:25:00 shatly zoom zoom time

19 11:25:00 shatly see ya all in a few days

19 11:46:00 octavious yay, another email with attached .pub file.  and no subject...

19 11:51:00 Morasique octavious: the filename probably tells you all you need to know

19 11:52:00 Morasique i'm really not sure if they realize students don't have publisher

19 11:53:00 Morasique damn, another PHOE whiteboard e-mail slipped through 'cause they can't seem to keep the subject consistent

19 12:39:00 Morasique everyone's leaving! :'(

19 14:09:00 chtr cool: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/hardware/soa/OpenSolaris-now-on-Toshiba-laptops-/0,130061702,339293785,00.htm

19 15:53:00 Morasique http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/libcurl-errors.html#CURLEHTTPPOSTERROR

19 17:57:00 chtr awesome, i now have a nifty mkfile to generate a bitstream from my verilog files using xilinx's command line tools

19 17:57:00 chtr now i don't have to touch that horrible gui of theirs

19 17:57:00 chtr next hurdle: flashing the bitstream from linux

19 17:59:00 chtr i think it's doubtful i'll get the default method working, so i'm thinking of building a parallel jtag cable

19 18:20:00 andy753421 chtr: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xc3sprog/ ?

19 18:20:00 andy753421 http://www.rogerstech.co.uk/xc3sprog/

19 18:53:00 chtr yeah, i'm looking into that.  that seems like the right route if i decide to build the parallel jtag cable

19 18:54:00 andy753421 it looked like they had usb-jtag support as well, but i don't really know if that would work for what you have

19 18:54:00 andy753421 did anyone do the digilent competition last year?

19 18:54:00 chtr i was reading about the IC on the board that i have a while ago

19 18:55:00 chtr it looks like the download utility flashes the USB IC's firmware before starting

19 18:55:00 chtr i signed up for it, but didn't actually do anything.  i actually want to do it this year

19 18:55:00 andy753421 yea, it sounds interesting and I liked doing that stuff in comparch and 130

19 18:56:00 andy753421 but i don't know if i'll have time for it

19 18:56:00 andy753421 although, taking 12 credit hours next quarter is beginning to sound like a really good idea, so maybe

19 18:57:00 chtr you should implement MMIX, there's already a gcc backend for it...

19 19:03:00 andy753421 i think the email i got mentioned something about having "real world applications"

19 19:04:00 andy753421 you know what would be sweet? FPGA's that supported self modifying code

19 19:17:00 chtr i can't see how that would work well...

19 20:46:00 Morasique apparently a bunch of websites are screwing up with opera 10 because it's the first browser with a two-digit version, and i guess website programmers thought it would be ok to assume they would always be one digit and they're detecting it as opera 1

19 20:46:00 Morasique i really can't believe how often i say this, but seriously, how could you write that code without thinking "well wait, this is obviously wrong"

19 20:53:00 andy753421 because version[6] is a lot easier than version.match('\w*/(\d*)\.')[1]?

19 21:06:00 andy753421 also, you should be able to use (*((int *)"abcd")) in case statements

19 21:07:00 andy753421 or better yet, (*((long long *)"abcdefgh"))

19 23:18:00 ZetaSyanthis Morasique: that's kinda pathetic

19 23:30:00 chtr yeah, i've often wished for a way to do string cases...

19 23:30:00 chtr if (!strncmp(...)) {} else if (!strncmp(...) {} ad nauseum

19 23:30:00 chtr gets rather old

19 23:48:00 Morasique chtr: you could switch to python

19 23:49:00 chtr Morasique: they really don't solve the same problems, do they?

19 23:49:00 chtr (i've started writing some things in python recently, begrudgingly)

19 23:50:00 chtr i'm actually finding it more sane than perl, sadly enough.

19 23:53:00 Morasique it's much more sane than perl. and no, they don't solve the same problems :)

20 10:30:00 kleinjt 50's 50sdfsdfsf

20 10:30:00 kleinjt 10:21 <@kleinjt> when was the new terminal built? the last and only time I was there was late this summer.

20 10:38:00 shatly this year

20 20:15:00 chtr two things are horribly wrong here: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Library/info.html#ieee

20 20:15:00 chtr 1. blink tag

20 20:15:00 chtr 2. no access to conference proceedings.

20 20:17:00 Morasique let it be known that we go to a school that uses the blink tag on its website

20 20:18:00 chtr let it be know that apparently everything interesting is catalogued in IEEE conference proceedings, which we wonderfully don't have access to.

20 21:32:00 tommost It confuses Firefox when you uninstall fonts while it's running.

20 21:48:00 tommost Just an observation.

20 22:18:00 bembry_ lol yes it does

20 22:38:00 kleinjt gah, apparently I was talking to myself earlier this morning. irc over ssh on realy poor connections + buttons mashing is a bad idea

21 03:55:00 tommost http://elliotth.blogspot.com/2008/12/will-stdio-outlive-us.html

21 04:00:00 Morasique tommost: i thought that earlier, i considered posting it here but didn't feel like bringing up the "does C blow?" argument

21 04:00:00 Morasique s/thought/saw/

21 04:01:00 andy753421 the first line of the page: `Java, C++, Linux, Mac OS'

21 04:01:00 andy753421 gee.. sounds like something I want to read

21 04:01:00 tommost ;)

21 04:02:00 tommost I don't think that C blows—it's just the standard library that does.

21 04:02:00 andy753421 reconsidered installing a blog filtering proxy

21 04:03:00 tommost The reddit comments are amusing.

21 04:04:00 tommost "C is a unicycle you ride by playing the cello."

21 04:04:00 andy753421 doesn't read reddit either :/

21 04:05:00 tommost I like reddit because I got "twm" as my username.

21 04:05:00 tommost That makes it automatically awesome.

21 04:05:00 Morasique i like reddit because the community is entertaining

21 04:05:00 Morasique glares at digg

21 04:06:00 andy753421 I've always assume that everyone there was whiny and annoying, but i've never bothered to verify if that's the case or not

21 04:06:00 tommost No, actually it's pretty amusing.  And occasionally enlightening.

21 04:08:00 andy753421 .. first 4 articles: `Bouncing balls in flash!', `Moving text in javascript!', `Yay Obama!', `Boo united states!'

21 04:08:00 andy753421 it's not looking good

21 04:08:00 tommost Oh, I meant programming.reddit.com  I've never been to regular reddit.

21 04:13:00 andy753421 seems not quite so bad, maybe i'll look at it over break

21 05:16:00 Morasique i've never been to regular reddit either, i follow a couple subreddits

21 10:33:00 chtr wanders back 5 hours after the conversation has ended

21 10:33:00 chtr plus that article mention's plan 9's bio library

21 10:35:00 chtr s/'//

21 14:02:00 tommost chtr: Yeah, I was wondering if you could explain what that is.  What he said about it confused me.

21 14:08:00 chtr if you've got plan9port: 9 man bio

21 14:08:00 chtr basically it's plan9's library for buffered IO

21 14:09:00 chtr Brdstr allocates a buffer of the proper length, which is what i assume he likes

21 14:32:00 tommost Ah, okay.

21 16:52:00 chtr hm, who thinks we should add this to the lug server budget? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4259469&CatId=4044

21 16:57:00 andy753421 sounds like a pain to use

21 16:58:00 Morasique that is impressively expensive

21 16:58:00 chtr the few C examples i've looked at didn't seem that bad

21 16:58:00 chtr i'd imagine the matlab bindings are even stupidly easy to use

21 17:41:00 Morasique ...my brother owns a mac

21 17:41:00 chtr that's sad

21 17:44:00 Morasique it is

21 17:46:00 tommost I own a mac...

21 17:47:00 tommost Well, I think I got rid of some of it after I tore it apart.  But I have a substantial portion of a mac, still.

21 17:50:00 chtr i own two apples

21 17:50:00 chtr a macintosh plus, and an apple iigs

21 17:50:00 Morasique ok. my brother owns a mac that runs mac os that he uses frequently, including right now

21 17:51:00 Morasique damn liberal arts majors

21 18:08:00 chtr macbooks seem to be a fashion statement nowadays

21 18:08:00 chtr that and iphones

21 18:09:00 tommost From a conversation I was just having: "My macbook isn't that powerful...it's too cute to be powerful..."

21 18:09:00 andy753421 judging by apple commercials, that seems to be the goal.

21 18:09:00 chtr tommost: that's really sad

21 18:10:00 jboticsource like the wii

21 18:11:00 tommost jboticsource: The Wii is awesome.

21 18:11:00 jboticsource the wii is full of fail

21 18:11:00 andy753421 the wii is technically different than ps3's and 360's whereas macbooks just have fewer lines on them

21 18:12:00 jboticsource the games are generally for little kids and overly simplistic

21 18:12:00 jboticsource (the wiimote is nifty)

21 18:12:00 jboticsource I do want to put linux on my 360

21 18:12:00 andy753421 i'm missing the connection between the wii and macs

21 18:12:00 chtr andy753421: they're both shiny white

21 18:13:00 tommost jboticsource: Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is awesome.  So is Zelda: Twilight Princess.

21 18:13:00 jboticsource "My macbook isn't that powerful...it's too cute to be powerful..."  -->  "the wii isn't that powerful...it's too cute to be powerful..."

21 18:13:00 tommost Also, Super Mario Worlds.

21 18:13:00 tommost The wii is too cheap to be powerful.

21 18:13:00 jboticsource true that

21 18:13:00 andy753421 if the wii cost more than the PS3 then I might agree :)

21 18:13:00 jboticsource metroid prime 3 does look decent.  but zelda and mario are just lame.

21 18:14:00 andy753421 mario was fun, although about all i did was use the second controller to waste all of my roommates stars

21 18:47:00 jboticsource we should try to get linux on councils

21 18:47:00 jboticsource like gaming console

21 18:48:00 Morasique ah. "councils" was rather confusing

21 18:48:00 Morasique i think they've gotten linux on every console there is

21 18:48:00 jboticsource yes, but to varying degrees of success

21 18:49:00 Morasique yeah, i doubt we can improve on that. these people spend a ton of time messing with it, it's not something we could do in twenty minutes at a LUG meeting when we're bored

21 18:52:00 jboticsource but it would be cool if someone donated some old one to the club

21 18:53:00 Morasique well, sadly i have no old consoles. if i did, i would hoard them anyway. we should just amass a collection of consoles running linux and run stuff off those. take that RHA

21 18:53:00 Morasique s/RHA/SGA/

21 18:55:00 jboticsource I have a ps2 that I would love to have linux on

21 18:55:00 Morasique i think getting linux on a ps2 is pretty simple, somebody did it as part of their logic presentation last quarter

21 18:57:00 jboticsource I would not mind the club using my ps2 as a subject to linixize

21 18:57:00 chtr Morasique: i recall linux on the ps2 being mildly difficult

21 18:57:00 chtr sony sold a kit for it with a hard drive and network card for quite a bit of money

21 18:58:00 chtr i too have a ps2 that i'd like to get linux on.

21 18:59:00 jboticsource I know there was that kit.  it was a good idea.  But I wonder if there is another way we can get it on there.

21 18:59:00 jboticsource chtr: which model do you have?

21 19:11:00 andy753421 i wonder how it would work to make a window manager that worked like a first person shooter.. e.g. moving the mouse moves the windows instead of the cursor

21 19:13:00 chtr andy753421: no idea

21 19:14:00 chtr ah, fresh gentoo install

21 19:14:00 chtr curses ati

21 19:14:00 chtr erm, that message above was meant for jboticsource not andy753421

21 19:20:00 Morasique take that andy753421

21 20:56:00 bembry_ http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/16771 if anyone wants a large HD

21 21:00:00 Morasique i've heard awful things about those drives

21 21:02:00 bembry_ only ones you can get at that capacity though

21 21:03:00 bembry_ personally, I wouldn't use 'em either

21 21:03:00 Morasique well yes, but if it's a choice between a 1TB drive that works correctly and a 1.5TB drive that has like a 75% chance of failing, i'll stick with the former

21 21:03:00 bembry_ hey, I'm running 750 sammies, I know what you mean

21 21:04:00 Morasique i just got a 750 theoretically for backup purposes; i'm not sure if i'll be able to resist just storing more stuff on it

21 21:04:00 bembry_ lol

21 21:05:00 bembry_ 5 of 'em in a riad5 is nice :)...especially on a vm box

21 21:10:00 chtr eh, not bad for five 300GB drives: Timing buffered disk reads:  490 MB in  3.01 seconds = 162.99 MB/sec

21 21:10:00 chtr this summer i'll likely upgrade to 4 1TB drives (and a smaller case...)

21 21:13:00 chtr anyone have any experience with blu-ray burners yet?

21 23:20:00 andy753421 tail -n 27 /usr/src/linux/CREDITS

21 23:21:00 Morasique :D

21 23:22:00 Morasique i wonder how much spam those people get. it seems pretty trivial to just grep '^E:' /usr/src/linux/CREDITS >> my_giant_list_of_spam_targets

21 23:23:00 tommost Yeah, go have your Gentoo humor.  We with just the headers will just sit and ignore you.

21 23:24:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m1cb7efb4

21 23:24:00 tommost Morasique++

21 23:30:00 andy753421 Morasique: actually there's an interesting policy (/usr/src/linux/Documentation/SubmittingPatches) that every patch contains a trail of `Signed-off-by's' for who sent/wrote it

21 23:30:00 andy753421 is you look at the changelogs you can get way more email addresses that way

21 23:33:00 andy753421 apparently that's used to prevent SCO claiming copyright infringement

22 00:02:00 Morasique irssi doesn't work from my house, i don't know why

22 00:02:00 Morasique other irc clients are fine

22 00:08:00 chtr i suspect Scary Voodoo is at work

22 00:09:00 Morasique maybe other irc clients don't work fine, xchat worked for about a minute and then failed

22 00:10:00 chtr i'll downgrade my diagnosis to: i suspect Mildly Annoying and Unpredictable Voodoo is at work

22 00:11:00 Morasique i suspect my sucky house internet'

22 00:12:00 Morasique blames tommost

22 00:12:00 tommost cringes

22 17:25:00 chtr ok, i think it's finally time to learn to make an ebuild

22 17:25:00 chtr since i reinstalled gentoo and need to setup avr-gcc again

22 17:27:00 chtr ah hell, i suppose i'll give crossdev another try

22 17:28:00 Morasique why did you reinstall?

22 17:29:00 chtr installing fglrx 8.11 made it impossible for X to start in anything except 800x600.  i downgraded to 8.10, and then 8.9 with no success

22 17:29:00 chtr i have no idea how it broke things so horribly.

22 17:29:00 Morasique ah yes. i remember that

22 17:31:00 chtr surprise surprise: http://rafb.net/p/Ep1Dkz78.html

22 17:33:00 chtr brilliant.  i ran `{crossdev -t avr} and it failed.  in the log file, it says: ``Failed to locate 'avr-gcc' in $PATH. You can install an AVR toolchain using: crossdev -t avr''

22 17:34:00 Morasique chtr: well do it! maybe it'll work the second time

22 17:35:00 Morasique keep trying until it works

22 17:35:00 chtr that's insanity defined

22 17:35:00 Morasique i always thought that definition was stupid anyway

22 19:01:00 Morasique did rose drop off the internet for 15 minutes?

22 19:04:00 Morasique i guess that answers that

22 19:07:00 andy753421 Morasique: yes

22 19:09:00 Morasique i feel bad for blaming my internet. obviously i'm better at running a network than iait is, i shouldn't doubt myself

22 19:13:00 Zeta_Mobile heh

22 19:26:00 andy753421 i would guess that it was the ISP's fault

22 19:27:00 andy753421 everything at rose was still working, it was just the that was cut off, unfortunately, i forgot to run a traceroute

22 19:54:00 jboticsource mac vs pc vs linux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c&NR=1

22 21:35:00 andy753421 hmm.. wikipedias calls for donations are getting rather more aggressive, i wonder if that's because of the economic situation

23 03:11:00 Morasique andy753421: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Letter/en?utm_source=2008_jimmy_letter_r&utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=fundraiser2008#appeal

23 03:11:00 Morasique feel guilt

23 03:12:00 tommost That photo makes him look like Daniel Craig.

23 12:03:00 Morasique http://sadekdrobi.com/2008/12/22/null-references-the-billion-dollar-mistake/

23 12:06:00 chtr i had no idea that he went by the name of ``Tony,'' i've always seen his name as C. A. R.

23 14:27:00 chtr http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253

23 14:28:00 chtr thoughts on that?  i can see those types of notifications becoming annoying fairly quickly

23 14:44:00 Morasique chtr: i actually love that sort of notification, i have my laptop set to alert me about everything, but most people don't particularly like it

23 14:44:00 Morasique i would love the thing where when he mouses over it they go transparent and you can click through them, i hate that about libnotify

23 14:45:00 chtr the only notifications i currently have are for new emails

23 14:47:00 Morasique well, maybe you should get more

23 14:47:00 Morasique although the ones they showed are slightly excessive

23 14:48:00 chtr indeed.  speaking of which, i should really take the time to finally put useful info in the wmii bar instead of just load and time...

23 14:49:00 Morasique i recommend the time left in the current period. there's 30 minutes left of 442 at the moment

23 14:50:00 tommost Yeah.  It rocks.

23 14:51:00 Morasique i have my current tiling scheme, tags, time left in class, system tray, clock, x configuration, terminals opened since boot, mounts left before fsck check, iait bandwidth limits, cpu usage, temperature, volume, and battery power

23 14:51:00 Morasique in that order

23 14:51:00 tommost Hmmm... I should add bandwidth.

23 14:52:00 Morasique oh, and mpd status

23 14:52:00 Morasique but that isn't showing at the moment

23 14:54:00 Morasique "There should be no actions on notifications."

23 14:54:00 Morasique nonsense

23 15:06:00 Morasique http://www.linux.com/feature/155922

23 15:51:00 tommost Cool.

23 18:49:00 Morasique a decent amount of the time the vimperator string to jump to a reddit story's source is "JZ". and i laugh

23 19:23:00 Morasique "A commercial certification authority protects you from anyone whose money they refuse to take"

23 20:36:00 Morasique apparently sed is much more capable than i thought: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/sed-one-liners-explained-part-two/

23 21:22:00 tommost Oh the terror.

23 21:30:00 chtr how is that terrible?  sed is one of the programs i use most

23 21:31:00 Morasique me too, but solely to do string replacements, i didn't know it could do all that stuff

23 23:21:00 Morasique let it be known that chex quest runs under wine

23 23:21:00 Morasique rejoice!

23 23:22:00 tommost You should give a presentation on this after break.

23 23:22:00 tommost The joy must be shared.

23 23:22:00 Morasique $ wine ChexQuest.exe

23 23:22:00 Morasique oops, i ruined it

23 23:22:00 tommost Pix or it didn't happen.

23 23:24:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/chex.png

23 23:26:00 Morasique i'm considering adding it to the linux games page

23 23:27:00 Morasique and deleting everything else. since they're no longer necessary

23 23:33:00 tommost I can't get the Math Blaster: Secret of the Lost City installer to run. :(

24 00:20:00 Morasique chtr: they mentioned the arduino on xkcd. it's a sign that you need to present on it

24 00:50:00 Zeta_Mobile haha

24 01:46:00 chtr Morasique: i would have presented, but michigan seems to be addicted to having a bunch of snow

24 02:12:00 Morasique tommost: why are you on twice? don't we usually make fun of people that do that?

24 02:13:00 tommost My Internet connection at home can be... unreliable.

24 02:13:00 tommost Also, I keep missing things in #rhnoise while I'm in class or walking between them.

24 02:15:00 Morasique so why don't you just stay logged in on addiator and not log in locally?

24 02:16:00 Morasique oh, this is going to be a font thing

24 02:16:00 chtr is depressed if that's the case

24 02:18:00 Morasique everytime i tab-complete a remote path in an scp command and it works my brain explodes

24 02:21:00 chtr awesome, it finally happened: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/23/2321242

24 02:21:00 chtr curses rose again for not getting us access to conference proceedings from IEEE

24 02:21:00 tommost Yes, it's a font thing.  Pidgin is much more compact than irssi.

24 02:22:00 tommost chtr: You should go to the new librarian meetings and complain.

24 02:22:00 chtr likely i'll just become an IEEE member and be done with it.  i should have done that a while ago, actually

24 02:22:00 tommost Weak.

24 02:23:00 tommost Cheapness is a virtue.

24 02:24:00 chtr not having access to springerlink is also annoying.

24 02:28:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m1e927add

24 02:30:00 tommost Genius.

24 02:31:00 Jonanin2 HELLO HOW DO I INSTALL WINDOWS

24 02:33:00 tommost auchter: What's springerlink?

24 02:55:00 Morasique tommost: there's nobody in here with that name

24 02:57:00 tommost At some point I got tired of mistyping "chrt".

24 02:57:00 Morasique if you can spell "auchter" you can spell "chtr". just skip some letters

24 02:58:00 tommost No, I type it "chr^Htr" every time.

24 02:58:00 Morasique ch<tab>

24 02:59:00 tommost I generally type three letters before hitting tab.

24 02:59:00 Morasique well that sounds like a personal problem

24 03:00:00 tommost One that I've solved by typing "auchter".

24 03:01:00 tommost I apologize that my typing skills are best attuned to words that are pronounceable.

24 12:15:00 shatly hi

24 12:16:00 shatly i have a question, has any one here done a wireless - hardwire bridge

24 14:53:00 tommost shatly: Supposedly most wireless drivers don't support bridging in Linux.  You should still try though—tell us if it works.

24 15:53:00 tommost Whoa... Nautilus obeys my horizontal scroll wheel.

24 15:54:00 tommost Nautilus++

24 17:02:00 tommost Whoa... setting my hands on the keyboard after snow-blowing for half an hour feels awesome.

24 17:02:00 tommost I have never been so grateful for my laptop's thermal signature.

24 18:41:00 Zeta_Mobile heh, yeah

25 00:16:00 chtr cool, ext4 will be marked stable in 2.6.28

25 00:17:00 chtr i hope it fixes that whole issue where when you fill up your partition, deleting files doesn't appear to free any space

25 00:19:00 tommost Having filled up my ext3 root partition several times, I still haven't experienced that.  Is there anything specific that you do to cause the problem?

25 00:20:00 chtr no, i've had it happen to me twice.  i'm not sure what causes it exactly

25 00:20:00 chtr i'm pretty sure i didn't make it do that intentionally

25 00:21:00 tommost No, I wouldn't expect so. ;)

25 05:00:00 kleinjt pssh. real mice don't have scroll wheels

25 05:01:00 kleinjt er.. to respond to something that was said about a day or so ago

25 05:11:00 Morasique i can't use mice without scroll wheels anymore

25 06:32:00 Morasique awesome. i figured out how to send my phone sms messages from a script. i suspect i'll abuse this

25 13:44:00 tommost Can anyone tell me how to transcode FLAC to MP3 while preserving metadata (not even esoteric metadata—just simple title/album/artist/track number stuff)?

25 14:08:00 chtr tommost: i use some script called flac2mp3.pl

25 14:08:00 chtr i think there are a few by that name, just search and i'm sure you'll come across one

25 14:09:00 tommost Okay, thanks.

25 14:09:00 chtr also, there's a fuse filesystem which presents a directory (and subdirectories of flac) as mp3

25 14:09:00 tommost Yeah, but does it preserve metadata?

25 14:10:00 chtr i believe it does

25 14:10:00 chtr if not, then i have an excuse to make one in 9p ;)

25 14:13:00 tommost What's the name of that filesystem?

25 14:37:00 tommost mp3fs's darcs repository doesn't seem to contain a ./configure script.  Brilliant.

25 14:41:00 chtr sh autogen.sh?

25 14:42:00 tommost I tried that, but after it complained about missing dependencies I decided to use flac2mp3.pl

25 14:42:00 chtr mumbles something about ubuntu users

25 14:43:00 tommost Of course, I'm probably going to have to figure out how to install Perl dependencies now.

25 14:43:00 chtr perl -MCPAN -e shell

25 14:47:00 tommost Need I do this as root, or can it do a user-local installation?

25 14:48:00 chtr no idea, i'd just do it as root

25 14:49:00 Morasique do everything as root! MWAHAHAHA

25 14:50:00 chtr whenver i type ``rm'' and see a ``#'' sign to the left, i get very nervous.

25 14:53:00 jboticsource marry christmass

25 14:54:00 tommost I'd rather not, thank you.

25 14:55:00 tommost CPAN is being really slow...

25 14:55:00 tommost LWP failed with code[500] message[Can't connect to www.perl.org:80 (connect: timeout)]

25 14:56:00 tommost Now it's retrying with curl.

25 14:59:00 tommost Okay, now it's trying with wget.

25 15:02:00 tommost Wow.

25 15:04:00 tommost Welcome back.

25 15:05:00 tommost wget's now on it's third retry.  perl.org fails.

25 15:08:00 tommost Well, we're certainly having fun today.

25 15:16:00 Morasique everyone came back. it's a christmas miracle

25 15:16:00 tommost ***shatly hugs everyone

25 15:22:00 Morasique i think i'm finally done with awesome, it's been freezing every couple hours for about four days. maybe i'll learn xmonad

25 15:23:00 tommost Yeah, I'm still on awesome2.  It's still as stable as ever.

25 15:26:00 Morasique i suppose i should try upgrading to 3.1, i forgot i never did that because the configuration file format changed. AGAIN

25 15:38:00 tommost http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/doc/CATEGORY_Erlang.shtml

25 18:49:00 tommost So I'm getting an HD TV tuner.  Anyone have any recommendations?

25 18:55:00 chtr does ``tv is boring, don't watch it'' help?

25 18:56:00 tommost Nope.

25 18:56:00 chtr well in that case, i'm out of advice

25 21:05:00 Morasique big news: i got empty statusbars to show up under awesome 3.1

25 21:05:00 tommost Congratulations.

25 21:05:00 tommost Only several hundred more lines of Lua to go.

25 21:05:00 Morasique T_T

25 21:16:00 Morasique I GOT TEXT TO APPEAR

25 21:16:00 tommost OH MY GOD

25 21:17:00 Morasique I KNOW, RIGHT?

25 21:18:00 Morasique .poll Morasique is amazing

25 21:18:00 Morasique oh, damn it

25 21:46:00 Morasique i hate awesome. i hate it so much

25 22:44:00 Morasique i finished fixing my configuration file, but awesome 3.1 is if anything less stable than 3.0

25 22:45:00 Morasique they did finally fix tiling so it's seamless, that took way too long

25 22:45:00 Morasique and tags with more than four characters in the name show up correctly, that's exciting

25 22:50:00 tommost Isn't there a config option you can set in awesome 2 to make it seamless?

25 22:50:00 tommost Or is this something else?

25 22:52:00 Morasique i don't know, mine have never been seamless, but in 3.1 they suddenly were

25 22:54:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/windows.png

25 22:54:00 Morasique sometimes they're right and sometimes they're not, which makes me think it's a layout bug

25 22:55:00 Morasique terminal windows tend to be wrong

25 22:55:00 tommost Yeah, that's because it's following the hints set by the windows.

25 22:57:00 Morasique well, it suddenly learned the right way to do it in 3.1, which further makes me think it was broken before

25 22:57:00 Morasique on the other hand, 3.1 crashed three times in five minutes, so i'll stick with the non-seamless 3.0 for the moment

25 22:58:00 Morasique and 3.1 doesn't show the little square in the taglist that shows if a tag has windows and what tags a window has. that seems like a bad call

25 23:03:00 tommost Frankly, awesome 3 seems like a bad call in its entirety.

25 23:06:00 Morasique it would be good if it didn't suck

25 23:07:00 tommost Well, yes.

25 23:07:00 tommost You should write your own window manager.

25 23:07:00 tommost Start with dwm, and go from there.

25 23:07:00 Morasique i haven't the faintest idea how

25 23:07:00 Morasique i really need to try other tiling ones

25 23:07:00 Morasique like, ones that worst

25 23:07:00 Morasique erm. work

25 23:16:00 tommost You should try wmii.  I'm curious how it compares to awesome.

25 23:19:00 Morasique it sounds like *you* should try wmii, and tell me about it

25 23:19:00 tommost An interesting idea.

25 23:20:00 tommost Indeed, it seems almost viable, given that we're currently on break.

25 23:21:00 tommost I was considering trying to learn a real text editor, but maybe a new window manager would be a better choice.

25 23:26:00 Morasique i thought you used vim now

25 23:26:00 Morasique i'm trying to make myself try xmonad again, but it's not looking good, so maybe i'll try wmii

25 23:27:00 tommost No, I never can get over the whole "modal" thing.

25 23:27:00 tommost It's a PITA if you multitask.

25 23:27:00 tommost Terrible design.

25 23:29:00 Morasique ...you are awesome

25 23:30:00 tommost Is that a compliment or an insult?  Contextually, it's unclear.

25 23:30:00 Morasique awesome in the sense it had before awesome 3 came out

25 23:31:00 tommost Thank you, then.

25 23:42:00 Morasique i'm looking for another wm with built-in progress bars and graphs like awesome, i can't find one

25 23:42:00 Morasique i like that feature

25 23:58:00 chtr longterm, i'd say learning a proper editor is better than using a different window manager

26 00:01:00 Morasique true

26 00:08:00 Morasique http://www.catonmat.net/blog/christmas-tree-in-the-shell/

26 00:08:00 Morasique it's animated, i've been staring at it for a while

26 00:09:00 chtr isn't perl amazing?

26 00:09:00 Morasique ye...no

26 00:10:00 chtr after seeing that module, i have a sudden urge to watch dr. strangelove.

26 00:11:00 tommost After today's experience, I'm going to disregard any instructions that begin with installing a Perl module.  Still, that would have been nice for the sparc box.

26 00:12:00 tommost Terrifying: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/perls-special-variable-cheat-sheet/

26 00:13:00 Morasique it really is

26 00:13:00 chtr use English;

26 00:15:00 Morasique http://suasol.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/new-tiling-plugin-for-compiz-fusion-grid/

26 00:15:00 Morasique how long did i look for that exact plugin? and it came out right around the time i switched to awesome

26 00:16:00 tommost drools

26 00:19:00 Morasique "Only thing that would complement it more is if there's a way to keyboard navigate to focus on windows"

26 00:19:00 Morasique the fact that it's missing that is bad

26 00:20:00 chtr that seems like a pretty major omission

26 00:20:00 chtr it also implies that there's no way to move windows around using the keyboard.

26 00:21:00 Morasique yeah, apparently all it does is auto-tile them

26 00:21:00 Morasique this is interesting: http://www.ssokolow.com/scripts/?get=quicktile.py

26 00:21:00 Morasique it looks just like the script i was in the middle of writing when i switched to awesome

26 01:04:00 Morasique i want to try mutt, but i don't think i'll ever be unlazy enough to set it up

26 01:05:00 tommost Oh, I was planning to do that this break.

26 01:05:00 tommost I've been meaning to do it forever, and Thunderbird has been extra annoying lately.

26 01:06:00 chtr it's pretty nice.

26 01:08:00 Morasique tommost: but, your beautiful fonts!

26 01:09:00 tommost Yeah, the main goal is actually to set up my server to host mail.

26 01:10:00 tommost Once that's done I can experiment more with e-mail clients.

26 01:10:00 tommost But right now doing so is a real pain.

26 02:25:00 Morasique a maildir is a directory, right? i tried running fetchmail through maildrop and ended up with a single file, is that an mbox?

26 02:25:00 Morasique more importantly, does it matter? i have no idea what the difference is

26 02:26:00 tommost Maildir is superior in every way that matters.

26 02:26:00 tommost Yeah, it's probably an mbox.

26 02:26:00 tommost Mboxen are evil.

26 02:27:00 Morasique how do i make a maildir?

26 02:27:00 Morasique i tried just making a directory but fetchmail is complaining that is can't open the mailbox

26 02:27:00 Morasique s/is/it/

26 02:28:00 tommost Doesn't the howto say something about using a trailing slash in the path for a maildir?

26 02:28:00 Morasique yeah, that's what made fetchmail use a maildir instead of an mbox, that's why i'm getting errors about it not being able to open the maildir now

26 02:28:00 Morasique there must be some way to make one

26 02:31:00 Morasique oh. maildirmake. how about that

26 02:32:00 Morasique it just makes TARGET/{cur,new,tmp}, i could've done that with one mkdir command

26 02:35:00 Morasique i should've cleared out my inbox before messing with this, this is the third time i've downloaded 450 messages

26 02:40:00 Morasique ooo. it's my e-mails

26 02:41:00 tommost You just switched to mutt?

26 02:46:00 Morasique well, i don't know if i'd say "switched". "got my inbox to appear in"

26 02:46:00 Morasique i'm trying to get sending mail to work now

26 02:48:00 Morasique i think this package just collided with itself

26 02:50:00 tommost Huh?

26 02:51:00 Morasique nevermind, i was wrong. it looked like emerge was telling me that nbsmtp was colliding with itself during installation, but it was colliding with an unknown package instead

26 02:52:00 Morasique i think unmerging sendmail didn't work completely, it left the binary behind

26 02:55:00 Morasique rose keeps rejecting my password. uncool

26 02:57:00 shatly ARGGG

26 02:57:00 shatly kills the interblags

26 02:57:00 shatly who inveted wireless networking?

26 02:58:00 tommost Stevens Jobs and Hawking.

26 02:58:00 shatly can i killem

26 02:59:00 Morasique what's wrong with wireless?

26 02:59:00 Morasique (that was a lot of w's)

26 03:00:00 shatly wwww

26 03:00:00 shatly ad-hoc will not enable propraly, and when it does it disables my wired

26 03:01:00 tommost Ad-hoc isn't fun in Ubuntu.  Is that what you're using?

26 03:04:00 Morasique who uses ad-hoc?

26 03:04:00 tommost Just loosers.

26 03:05:00 shatly yes it is

26 03:05:00 shatly and unless you want to dirve me a router it is what we need

26 03:06:00 tommost Well, I suggest that you start by killing nm-applet.

26 03:06:00 tommost Then use iwconfig and ifconfig to set it all up manually.

26 03:07:00 shatly check mark alredy there

26 03:07:00 tommost Then perhaps you should curse your wireless chipset a bit and try again. ;)

26 03:08:00 tommost andy754321 has gotten ad-hoc working, but I'm not exactly sure what he did.

26 03:09:00 shatly andy754321, you are being paged, can  you find the closes glowing moninter to you and respond via a keaybord

26 03:09:00 shatly i repete, andy754321, you are being paged, can  you find the closes glowing moninter to you and respond via a keaybord

26 03:10:00 Morasique he probably realized he should just get a router and did that

26 03:11:00 shatly realises that

26 03:11:00 tommost No, it was actually working.  We have video.

26 03:11:00 shatly but it is for a weekish

26 03:11:00 shatly you sould drive over 2 hours and get me one

26 03:11:00 Morasique or you could just get one

26 03:12:00 Morasique as far as i can tell it's impossible to use a password with a # in it with nbsmtp

26 03:12:00 Morasique it can't be escaped, quoted, nothing

26 03:12:00 shatly but if you drive two hours to jerseyvill il, i can meet you and brrow a router

26 03:13:00 Morasique that's much further than two hours from me right now, and no either way

26 03:14:00 Morasique andy753421's nbsmtprc file is the second google result for "nbsmtprc"

26 03:14:00 tommost Impressive.  andy754321++

26 03:26:00 Morasique wtf. fetchmail decided to download my inbox again, and now there's two copies of every e-mail in my inbox

26 03:28:00 Morasique what the hell. now it's downloading third copies

26 04:06:00 Morasique how do i get it so when i delete a message in mutt it deletes it off the server too?

26 06:14:00 Morasique also, does anybody have mutt set up to poll multiple accounts?

26 06:19:00 Morasique nm, i think i got that all worked out. figuring out how to delete messages off the server when i delete them locally would be super though

26 10:15:00 Morasique my dad woke me up after about an hour of sleep because he decided he needed me to fix his computer right this second. i've never seen adware this bad. i've seen studies where people set up computers and intentionally tried to infect them with as many things as possible that didn't have this much stuff on them

26 10:21:00 Morasique and wtf happened to ad-aware? it used to be great, they completely crippled the free version so it's essentially useless now

26 16:22:00 minifig904 I just added a SATA drive to my desktop, which had two PATA drives as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. Which device should the new sata drive be at? Hint: /dev/sdc is taken by a USB drive that I plugged in AFTER installing the sata drive.

26 16:29:00 Morasique dmesg?

26 16:31:00 minifig904 What am I looking for?

26 16:32:00 minifig904 Just anything to do with SATA?

26 16:33:00 Morasique i ususally watch dmesg | tail when i add something

26 16:35:00 minifig904 I'm seeing stuff about the USB drive and networking.

26 16:37:00 minifig904 Want me to post it, or....?

26 16:38:00 Morasique i don't really know what the right thing would look like; grep for /dev and see if anything useful shows up

26 16:38:00 Morasique otherwise it looks like it's not seeing your drive

26 16:39:00 minifig904 grep returns kernel command line, macintosh mouse emulation, AT keyboard, pc speaker, power button, and the LVM swap volume.

26 16:41:00 minifig904 lsmod indicates no one is using the module sata_via, which should match my via chipset, but that might not mean anything.

26 16:41:00 Morasique yeah, i'm not sure then, it looks like it doesn't see the drive. it would be at /dev/sd? or /dev/hd? unless you have a udev rule for it, which i doubt you do

26 16:41:00 Morasique jumper problem? do SATA drives have jumpers?

26 16:42:00 minifig904 The setup guide for the HDD said the jumpers were for enterprise environments.

26 16:42:00 minifig904 What could be going on is I have a mobo from when SATA first came out, and I just bought the drive today.

26 16:42:00 minifig904 So, if SATA 3G isn't backwards compatible with SATA-1, despite the connectors....

26 16:42:00 Morasique i've never used sata drives, i don't know anything about it really. you can try checking the bios to see if the drive shows up

26 16:43:00 minifig904 OK.

26 16:43:00 minifig904 I'll work on that.

26 16:43:00 minifig904 likes ssh/dvtm....

26 16:49:00 minifig904 Of course the BIOS can't find a drive....

26 16:59:00 chtr minifig904: try doing: dmesg | grep sd

26 17:00:00 minifig904 I will, once the bios is detecting the drive.

26 17:00:00 chtr ah, ok.  i suppose i missed that

26 17:00:00 minifig904 then again, if that would tell me anything, why wouldn't ls /dev | grep sd

26 17:03:00 chtr because it's easier to see which drives matched to which sd? node

26 17:04:00 minifig904 fair

26 17:05:00 minifig904 OK, it's not the cable... nor is it the specific power connector....

26 17:05:00 minifig904 430w psu from antec.....

26 17:06:00 minifig904 it should be able to take an AMD64, 3 hdds, a cd drive, and an AGP nvidia graphics card....

26 17:07:00 chtr i've got a 350W antec running an amd64, 6 HDDs, and 2 DVD+R drives.

26 17:07:00 minifig904 All three drives feel like they're spinning up...

26 17:10:00 minifig904 Would enabling 150MBs data transfer speed help backwards compatibility?

26 17:10:00 Zeta_Mobile minifig: sata is backwards compatible on both ends, you may need a jumper though

26 17:10:00 minifig904 *MB/s

26 17:10:00 minifig904 Zeta_Mobile: That setting I just mentioned is via jumper.

26 17:10:00 minifig904 It's disabled by default.

26 17:11:00 Zeta_Mobile it should auto-negotiate, but try setting the jumper then

26 17:11:00 Zeta_Mobile ah, nm... chipsets auto-negotiate, drives need jumpers

26 17:11:00 Zeta_Mobile wonder why they didn't do that on both ends to make it easier O.o

26 17:11:00 minifig904 Uh, didn't think of it?

26 17:12:00 Zeta_Mobile probably some strange cost-related reason

26 17:12:00 Zeta_Mobile though I'd think a tiny amount of extra code would be cheaper than the plastic + pins for jumpers

26 17:13:00 Zeta_Mobile bleh

26 17:16:00 minifig904 OK, the jumper did it. Note to self.....

26 17:29:00 minifig904 Oh, fun. It re-arranged my devices.

26 17:37:00 minifig904 OK, there we go. My desktop now has 1.3TB in internal storage.

26 17:50:00 tommost SATA 300 is supposed to be backwards compatible with 150, but some chipsets messed that up, which is why drives have jumpers on them to throttle to 150.  Seagate drives even have the jumper for 150 on by default.

26 17:51:00 minifig904 tommost, my chipset isn't SATA 300. The drive is.

26 17:51:00 minifig904 My chipset is original SATA. Like, SATA before it became popular.

26 17:51:00 tommost Yeah, so you have a potential problem there.

26 17:51:00 minifig904 Yep. Hence the jumper.

26 17:52:00 minifig904 Everything works now.

26 17:52:00 tommost I was really just trying to answer Zeta_Mobile's question, though.

26 17:52:00 minifig904 Ah.

26 17:52:00 minifig904 I wasn't sure why you said that.

26 19:55:00 minifig904 Anyone in here sturggled with getting MythTV's database setup under ubuntu?

26 19:56:00 Morasique fun fact: CS is not on the list of rose majors on the graduation form i'm filling out

26 19:56:00 minifig904 ...wow...

26 20:19:00 Morasique http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7ltct/ask_proggit_do_you_think_it_would_be_possible/4usn

26 20:41:00 tommost minifig904: I have.  Though I never solved them, so I can't be much help.  I'll be doing MythTV stuff pretty soon after I get back to Rose, though.

26 20:42:00 minifig904 OK.

26 20:43:00 minifig904 I keep getting problems with login permissions.

26 20:43:00 minifig904 I think it's a problem in the deb's.

26 20:43:00 tommost Are you using Mythbuntu?

26 20:44:00 minifig904 No, Ubuntu Server.

26 20:44:00 tommost Yeah, I don't know.

26 20:44:00 minifig904 But I had it logging in at least, and then I run dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database, and it stops logging in.

26 20:45:00 tommost I've tried to get X working on my server this week but I can't seem to manage it. :(

26 20:45:00 minifig904 Ah.

26 20:45:00 minifig904 See, I'm not sure I have a working x server.

26 20:45:00 minifig904 I use xming and ssh.

26 20:46:00 tommost Then I don't expect that it would matter.

26 20:47:00 minifig904 No.

27 02:12:00 Morasique people that use fetchmail: do you use the keep flag, or just have it remove from the server once it's downloaded?

27 04:22:00 tommost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS

27 11:25:00 chtr Morasique: i use the keep flag

27 11:27:00 chtr tommost: yeah, that's an interesting article, though i wish the screenshot was clearer

27 11:27:00 chtr it looks like it was printed out and scanned back in...

27 12:56:00 Morasique chtr: so how do e-mails ever get erased from the server?

27 14:06:00 chtr Morasique: ... they don't, that's the point of the keep flag.

27 14:59:00 tommost chtr: According to the description on the screenshot, yes, that's exactly what happened.

27 15:02:00 chtr right, i missed that.

27 19:06:00 tommost Has anyone had trouble with Gnumeric functions?  For some reason every one that I try gives me a #NAME? error.

28 01:12:00 shatly one quick question

28 01:12:00 shatly is there a easy way to rename a batch of files with random names

28 01:13:00 tommost I don't know what you mean.

28 01:16:00 shatly i have a bunch of .jpg's

28 01:16:00 shatly and a picture frame, but it can not do photos randomly

28 01:17:00 shatly so we want to randomise them now

28 01:17:00 shatly and i figure we could ename them easy in linux

28 01:17:00 tommost Ah, now, see, that's exactly the opposite of what I thought you were trying to say before. ;)

28 01:18:00 shatly oooooooooo

28 01:18:00 chtr shatly: for (i in *.jpg) mv $i "`{strings /dev/urandom | sed 1q}"

28 01:19:00 tommost Now that's a bit unsafe, isn't it?

28 01:19:00 shatly if tommost says it is, it probaly is

28 01:20:00 chtr oh, right.

28 01:20:00 chtr shatly: for (i in *.jpg) mv $"i "`{strings /dev/urandom | sed 1q}"

28 01:20:00 chtr that should be safer.

28 01:20:00 shatly can you explain eatch part

28 01:20:00 shatly and what it does

28 01:20:00 chtr the first part renames all jpgs to something random.

28 01:20:00 chtr and there really isn't a second part

28 01:21:00 chtr or, indeed, a third part for that matter

28 01:23:00 shatly i change urandom to my device name

28 01:23:00 tommost Er, whuh?

28 01:25:00 chtr oh, actually that above one didn't work.  this is more verbose but gets the bloody escaping correct: for (i in *.jpg) { n = `{strings /dev/urandom | sed 1q}; mv $"i $"n; }

28 01:27:00 shatly too bad the flash dive is at the outher house

28 01:48:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/hold/103019/

28 01:49:00 chtr i think that's a bit overkill

28 01:50:00 tommost Never underestimate the ability of a 40-line Python script to do the job of a Bash one-liner better. ;)

28 01:51:00 tommost This one preserves extensions and doesn't trample on existing files.

28 01:52:00 chtr changing the $"n to $"n^.jpg will preserve it for his case, and i'm making the assumption that urandom is suitably random (and that the card doesn't contain the one and only copy of the images in question)

28 03:12:00 Morasique sadly, i think i would've used python too, although yeah, tommost's is a bit long

28 12:32:00 chtr arg, i hate reading papers and theses where it's blatantly obvious it was written in word

28 12:32:00 chtr it looks so horrible.  why can't people use latex?

29 00:03:00 chtr 2.6.28

29 00:26:00 tommost Yup, time to upgrade.

29 00:27:00 tommost I have a TV tuner that's now supported.

29 00:27:00 tommost Oh, and it would be nice if wireless worked again.

29 00:32:00 chtr it's always exciting to configure a new kernel and see what's changed since the last revision

29 00:43:00 quark_ lol

29 00:43:00 quark_ its like opening a present

29 04:55:00 tommost Cool, NYT has picked up on something I read about on Slashdot last year: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/28digi.html?em

29 04:56:00 tommost Turns out the Slashdot commenter who seemed to know what he was talking about... really knew what he was talking about.

29 05:06:00 Morasique i didn't know text messages were part of the control signals, that's interesting

29 05:18:00 Zeta_Mobile that actually makes me hate them worse than before

29 05:18:00 Zeta_Mobile *more than before

29 05:19:00 Zeta_Mobile One would think they'd reach the theoretical maximum eventually

29 05:19:00 Zeta_Mobile but not yet, I guess

29 05:25:00 Morasique i guess i should find out what sort of text messaging plan i'm on, i've been abusing them massively this break

29 16:01:00 tommost http://www.mikeash.com/?page=pyblog/friday-qa-2008-12-26.html

29 18:40:00 Morasique they have an MIT grad student on the show I'm watching fixing a hardware problem with one of their computers. similar to how over christmas when i was with my relatives, one asked me to fix a problem with the dvd player because "aren't you going to school for something like that?"

30 00:01:00 tommost abook is trying to be smart about sorting names.  This is annoying, as I entered them "Lastname, Firstname MI".

30 03:18:00 Morasique from a comment on a dailywtf post: "Well for one thing negation usually means change of sign, so 0-n would not work unless you knew n was always positive. -1 * n will always work."

30 03:18:00 Morasique one day he's going to learn about double negatives. i suspect his brain will explode

30 03:19:00 tommost -0?  I'm having trouble figuring out what he's saying.

30 03:20:00 Morasique he's saying 0-n will only give you -n if n is positive

30 03:20:00 Morasique if n were -4, 0-(-4) wouldn't give you 4

30 03:20:00 Zeta_Mobile I hate people.

30 03:20:00 Morasique i guess it would give you --4 or something

30 03:21:00 Morasique they're arguing about the fastest way to negate a number, ignoring (as always) the fact that the compiler is going to optimize them all into the same thing

30 03:21:00 tommost 0 - (-0) = ?

30 03:22:00 Morasique --0

30 03:22:00 tommost It's totally —0

30 13:18:00 Morasique does anybody use firefox 3 on gentoo?

30 13:50:00 quark__ i do

30 13:50:00 quark__ sweet I am connected twice

30 14:26:00 chtr is anyone here using fglrx 8.12 (preferably with 2.6.28)

30 15:17:00 chtr ok, gave up on fglrx.  now using the latest opensource radeon driver.  it works great.

30 15:18:00 chtr switching tags is a bit slow, but i'll get over it.

30 17:03:00 tommost auchter: Really?  For me radeonhd feels faster than fglrx.

30 18:34:00 chtr tommost: yes.  i guess i'll have to play with it some more

30 22:08:00 Morasique what's the name of the wm that's like screen for X

30 22:09:00 tommost Xpra?

30 22:09:00 tommost It's not really a wm.

30 22:09:00 tommost It's the internals of Parti, which is a wm, but isn't yet ready.

30 22:09:00 tommost It's what I'm waiting for.

30 22:10:00 Morasique ah, yes, that's what i was thinking of. thanks

30 23:43:00 Morasique going to stack overflow to answer my programming questions is like going to the ubuntu forums to answer my linux questions; it never helps

30 23:43:00 tommost Hehe.

30 23:44:00 chtr yeah, ubuntu forums are worthless

30 23:45:00 tommost Once in a while there's something helpful on there, but yeah, most of the time they just pollute search results.

30 23:46:00 chtr it's usually completely useless for me, unlike arch and gentoo forums

30 23:46:00 chtr ubuntu forums normally have solutions like ``click this button in NetworkManager'' and rely on whatever voodoo that does

30 23:46:00 tommost They did recently help be solve a "what package contains x" question.

30 23:46:00 chtr at least the real distro forums have decent solutions

30 23:59:00 Morasique i've read a dozen pages purporting to explain it and still don't understand why i can't have an abstract static method

31 00:01:00 tommost Java doesn't have class methods, right?  So what would be the point?

31 00:02:00 Morasique class methods?

31 00:02:00 tommost Like Python's classmethod decorator.

31 00:04:00 Morasique this java glossary page says it's the same as a static method

31 00:04:00 tommost Well, that's because Java is stupid.

31 00:05:00 tommost But you already new that.

31 00:05:00 tommost s/new/knew/

31 00:06:00 Morasique apparently it's a binding problem. i hate java

31 00:07:00 tommost It's because static method == function in Java?

31 00:10:00 Morasique essentially

31 04:30:00 Morasique damn it rose

31 04:31:00 Morasique the same institution shouldn't drop off the internet twice in a week, that's a bad sign

31 06:44:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/104035/

31 06:47:00 Morasique handy

31 06:49:00 Morasique what is this httplib2 nonsense

31 11:26:00 chtr http://rafb.net/p/h6uWvk58.html

31 13:40:00 Morasique http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/hackers-playstation-3-make-ssl-much-less-secure/

31 14:09:00 Morasique http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-zunes-failing-everywhere-all-at-once