31 20:10:00 auchter first
31 20:14:00 tommost auchter--
31 20:19:00 tommost The Linux Games page has not improved since I last reloaded the page. :(
31 20:27:00 auchter some company needs to start making 10-bit greyscale displays for films
31 20:34:00 andy753421 wasn't someone making 30 bit displays a while back?
31 20:36:00 auchter i'm sure they were, but i also doubt they were reasonably priced
31 20:36:00 auchter high resolution greyscale displays are used for medical stuff and such
31 21:27:00 tommost Okay, since you guys are so lazy I've had to step up.
31 21:41:00 Morasique tommost: way to go
31 21:42:00 tommost I have flung the entirety of my extensive Linux gaming experience before you. Do what you will.
31 21:42:00 Morasique i'll put urban terror and teeworlds stuff up there at some point
31 21:42:00 tommost Someone needs to put up that tank game.
31 21:45:00 Morasique yeah, and the tron game, i want to mess with that
31 22:11:00 Morasique lines like this amuse me: http://awurl.com/2yEKq4oWl
01 00:21:00 Blazeix The tank game is BZFlag, and I *think* the tron game is Armagetron Advanced. I added those games along with some of my favorites.
01 08:07:00 Morasique it is armagetron
01 08:08:00 Morasique apparently the thing where you can hit a wall and not die is a lag compensation mechanism that just gets abused
01 08:47:00 Morasique i can only download pdfs from this website if i'm using windows xp. that makes sense
01 08:47:00 Morasique someday linux browsers will learn how to download pdfs
01 09:10:00 andy753421 Morasique: User Agent Switcher
01 09:28:00 Morasique andy753421: yeah, that's what i did, i just don't know why i had to. people should really stop making websites OS-dependent, that's incredibly stupid
01 11:19:00 auchter transmission really is a nice bittorrent client
01 11:19:00 auchter the web interface is excellent
01 11:37:00 andy753421 web interface?
01 11:37:00 andy753421 who are you, and what have you done with auchter?
01 11:38:00 auchter well, i'd obviously prefer a nice ncurses interface, but i have yet to come across one that i like
01 11:38:00 andy753421 rtorrent?
01 11:38:00 auchter MPlayer dev-SVN-r26753-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2008 MPlayer Team
01 11:38:00 auchter (yay paste)
01 11:38:00 Morasique er. that was odd
01 11:39:00 auchter it's been a while since i've used rtorrent, but i remember not liking it
01 11:40:00 Morasique i can't remember the last time i even used bittorrent
01 11:40:00 auchter maybe i'll give it another go
01 11:40:00 andy753421 i tend to like rtorrent, but i don't use it very often either
01 12:02:00 andy753421 fun programming task: compress a list of directories (from something like `find .') using shell expansion syntax
01 12:03:00 andy753421 e.g. foo/child1 foo/child2 bar/c1 bar/c2 == foo/{child1,child2} bar/{c1,c2}
01 12:04:00 andy753421 and if you want to be really fancy make foo/c1 foo/c2 bar/c1 bar/c2 == {foo,bar}/{c1,c2} :)
01 12:05:00 auchter andy753421: i suppose you'll be doing that in awk, then?
01 12:06:00 andy753421 um, i did it in ruby, but I don't like it
01 12:07:00 andy753421 it's ~30 lines and it doesn't seem very elegant
01 13:36:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/hold/88167/
01 23:34:00 Morasique we gain an hour today. score
01 23:35:00 auchter awesome indeed
01 23:35:00 auchter until THEY take it from us again in the spring
01 23:35:00 auchter looks around shiftily
01 23:35:00 Morasique THEY can have it back when they wrest it from my cold, dead fingers
01 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
01 23:47:00 ZetaSyanthis on a random subject, any idea what the really bright flashes in the sky near the airport were?
01 23:48:00 ZetaSyanthis They happened about 20 min ago as I was driving back to my apartment
01 23:48:00 ZetaSyanthis were damned near blinding to night vision too
02 00:24:00 ZetaSyanthis Anyone have experience getting an svn server going under arch linux?
02 00:26:00 auchter i;d imagine it's the same as any other linux
02 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis I can't seem to figure out how to get it going, so I'm not sure if it's some bizarre arch thing, or I'm just screwing up
02 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis never set one up before
02 01:07:00 Morasique bonus hour ftw
02 01:52:00 ZetaSyanthis bonus hour?
02 01:54:00 tommost Yay!
02 07:30:00 andy753421 tommost: (from shellify) not quite: http://rafb.net/p/whmlRY82.html
02 09:52:00 auchter -5GMT, i can get used to this.
02 09:52:00 andy753421 auchter: -5UTC, i think it's still -4GTM
02 09:54:00 andy753421 oh maybe it is the same
02 09:55:00 auchter it is the same
02 09:55:00 auchter my phone automatically switched, GSM++
02 09:57:00 andy753421 gmt confuses me because of british summer time :/
02 09:58:00 auchter BST is just +1GMT ;)
02 10:00:00 andy753421 i think GMT would more accurately refer to UT1 not UTC
02 10:00:00 andy753421 although, split seconds don't really matter..
02 10:19:00 auchter posix says they don't exist
02 10:20:00 auchter (leap seconds, that is)
02 10:20:00 andy753421 hehehe, go unix time :)
02 10:23:00 auchter german law requires leap seconds
02 10:23:00 auchter hence, posix is illegal in germany
02 10:30:00 auchter now here's a good question: does the SGA finance committee know about this time change?
02 10:30:00 andy753421 i was wondering that myself :)
02 11:33:00 tommost andy753421: Oh, so it's supposed to be lossless?
02 11:33:00 andy753421 lossless?
02 11:34:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure you added more information ;)
02 11:34:00 andy753421 but, yes
02 11:35:00 andy753421 doing `echo <compressed_stuff>' should print out the same as the input with the exception of line breaks
02 11:35:00 tommost Oh, okay. It seemed a bit easy. :)
02 11:45:00 andy753421 wow, apparently I can write my personal statement in powerpoint or excel
02 11:45:00 auchter has issues and only compresses the last path element, but it was quick: http://rafb.net/p/Wn8qlG95.html
02 12:55:00 auchter distcc is nice when emerging xorg-x11
02 13:00:00 quark are their instructions on the wiki?
02 13:00:00 quark i think i'm going to have to do that later tonight
02 13:01:00 quark it doesn't look that hard to use
02 13:01:00 auchter if you're using gentoo: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
02 13:01:00 quark yeah
02 13:01:00 quark does that have a list of hosts?\
02 13:02:00 auchter hm?
02 13:02:00 quark what hosts do you use?
02 13:02:00 quark are their boxes on campus?
02 13:02:00 auchter i'm off campus, so i'm using a computer here
02 13:02:00 auchter yeah, on the wiki
02 13:02:00 quark i'm off campus too
02 13:03:00 auchter most of the on campus ones restrict to 137.112/16
02 13:03:00 quark yeah
02 13:03:00 quark i figured they would
02 13:05:00 andy753421 (here's the best i've come up with) http://rafb.net/p/ylxkuJ49.html
02 13:08:00 auchter i'd try it, but i don't have ruby installed
02 13:09:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m17c022d1
02 13:10:00 andy753421 i'd be interested in what lenght of string is returned by makeRandomStringOfCharacters()
02 13:10:00 Morasique a random length
02 13:10:00 Morasique :)
02 13:10:00 andy753421 between what ranges?
02 13:11:00 Morasique 0 and infinity
02 13:11:00 andy753421 and what distribution?
02 13:11:00 tommost A random distribution. ;)
02 13:11:00 auchter gaussian, obviously. it's always gaussian.
02 13:11:00 Morasique it focuses mostly on the ones near the right answer
02 13:12:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/mf8f6d5
02 13:12:00 Morasique i optimized
02 13:12:00 auchter gcc -Oinfinity ftw
02 13:15:00 auchter so to make sure 5 different things didn't go simultaneously wrong overnight and the world is not out to get me, it's currently ~13:15 EST, right?
02 13:15:00 tommost Yes.
02 13:15:00 auchter good.
02 13:15:00 tommost Well, if you trust Ubuntu. ;)
02 13:16:00 Morasique and tommost
02 13:30:00 octavious http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/
02 13:42:00 auchter the symmetry of the symbols on the number row is cool, but i don't think i could get used to having the right hand type even numbers and the left hand type odd
02 13:43:00 andy753421 i probably could, i suck at typing numbers as it is
02 13:45:00 andy753421 although, what i couldn't get used to is typing with that in vim :'(
02 13:47:00 Morasique i would suggest emacs, but the most common hotkey is probably C-x, and that looks not easy on that keybord
02 13:47:00 Morasique s/rd$/ard/
02 13:47:00 andy753421 last time i tried to learn dvorak i actually did try to learn emacs at the same time, but it failed miserably
02 13:48:00 andy753421 .. i kept having to be productive
02 13:48:00 tommost Yeah, that's why I still haven't learned vim.
02 13:48:00 tommost At my current rate, I should have it down in about 10 years.
02 13:48:00 quark how much different is that than regular dvorak?
02 13:50:00 andy753421 tommost: you should add scite (i think that's what you use) to the table of equivalents: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Editors
02 14:03:00 tommost Done.
02 14:06:00 Morasique i like "display current file"
02 14:07:00 tommost Heh, yeah.
02 14:19:00 quark does anyone know if the newest gentoo minimal cd has wpa_supplicant?
02 14:19:00 quark and common wireless drivers
02 14:50:00 andy753421 so the SGA finance committee cut our budget for the cd's and reference cards but approved the full budget for the server
02 14:50:00 ZetaSyanthis full server budget ==?
02 14:52:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Probationary_Budget
02 14:52:00 andy753421 ($1527)
02 14:52:00 Morasique seriously? the $50 for cds and $30 for cards was over the top, but $1527 for a server was cool with them?
02 14:53:00 andy753421 yea.. i know
02 14:53:00 andy753421 they told us to use our promotional budget for CD's and reference cards, which seems reasonable though
02 14:53:00 Morasique it's not really promotional, but that works
02 14:54:00 andy753421 yea.. i guess it's similar to other other clubs giving out cups or something
02 14:54:00 andy753421 and technically, we're only allowed to give away things that we buy with the promotional budget anyway
02 14:56:00 Morasique are we buying these reference cards or making them?
02 14:56:00 andy753421 ???
02 14:57:00 Morasique maybe i'm confused on what they are
02 14:57:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, cool
02 14:57:00 Morasique i thought they were cards with linux-y facts on them, like awk syntax or something
02 14:57:00 andy753421 yea, i think that's about right
02 14:57:00 ZetaSyanthis Yeah, that'd be my assumption
02 14:57:00 Morasique so are we buying them from somewhere or making them ourselves?
02 14:57:00 ZetaSyanthis Though you'd prob want card stock or lamination or both
02 14:57:00 ZetaSyanthis which is costly even if we do it @ printshop
02 14:57:00 andy753421 although, awk might be a little complicated since i think they're targeted at first-time users
02 14:59:00 ZetaSyanthis Is that the finalized server specs?
02 14:59:00 ZetaSyanthis ooc
02 15:00:00 andy753421 i think those are pretty finalized
02 15:01:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, cool
02 15:02:00 ZetaSyanthis holy crap, that's a nice xeon
02 15:02:00 ZetaSyanthis 12MB L2 cache O.o
02 15:02:00 ZetaSyanthis yay server procs
02 15:03:00 tommost Is that shared?
02 15:03:00 ZetaSyanthis and ouch on the mobo price
02 15:03:00 ZetaSyanthis I'd assume it's split into 2x6
02 15:05:00 ZetaSyanthis I sense a planned dual proc upgrade for next year with that setup :P
02 15:05:00 ZetaSyanthis with hopefully more ram O.o
02 15:06:00 ZetaSyanthis Should consider hosting an urban terror server too, as that game seems to drag peeps towards trying linux, and I'm pretty sure it'd use like 10% of one core
02 15:07:00 andy753421 ZetaSyanthis: you should notice that two xenos are already budgeted
02 15:07:00 ZetaSyanthis erm, nm then
02 15:07:00 ZetaSyanthis wait, wow I failed
02 15:08:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: urbanterror is cross platform, so i'm not sure how it drags people towards trying linux
02 15:08:00 ZetaSyanthis nm
02 15:09:00 ZetaSyanthis It's been my experience that showing what linux can do always helps. One of the main complaints being gaming, urt helps a ton in that fashion.
02 15:09:00 ZetaSyanthis Was just an idea anyways
02 15:09:00 ZetaSyanthis Not a serious proposal
02 15:14:00 ZetaSyanthis Did you guys see the crazy claim that windows 7 will support 256 cores? It may recognize they exist, but there's no way in hell it can use them effectively
02 15:16:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: windows can't use one core effectively
02 15:20:00 ZetaSyanthis nods
02 15:48:00 auchter we still don't actually have the approval for the money yet, that comes (hopefully) tuesday
02 16:43:00 povilus ! Undefined control sequence.
02 16:43:00 povilus l.1030 \psfrag
02 16:43:00 povilus {s(t)}[][]{$s(t)$}
02 16:43:00 povilus anyone ever seen that in latex
02 16:51:00 Morasique offhand, i'd say you used a control sequence. an undefined one
02 16:51:00 povilus thanx
02 16:52:00 povilus it has been compiled in the past
02 16:52:00 povilus i dont know how or when
02 16:53:00 auchter it looks like there's a psfrag package in ctan, you might want to check and see if you have that installed
02 16:59:00 povilus any good way to check that
02 16:59:00 povilus and i doubt i have it you know how to install it?
02 17:07:00 andy753421 from opencv: http://rafb.net/p/32I5Xf43.html ... so much for being able to use that function
02 17:14:00 povilus andy753421, i assume that was not directed at me
02 17:14:00 andy753421 no
02 17:24:00 povilus anyone know how to get the latex search path
02 18:22:00 quark man
02 18:22:00 quark i'm installing gentoo
02 18:22:00 quark mostly from memory
02 18:23:00 quark but after I chrooted and shit i sync'ed up and tried to update portage, and the build failed
02 18:52:00 auchter hey, i'm installing gentoo too
02 18:53:00 auchter and, like every single other time i've install gentoo/crux, i forgot to edit /etc/fstab
02 18:53:00 auchter and i realized it immediately after typing reboot.
02 18:57:00 quark haha yeah
02 18:57:00 quark whats crux like?
02 18:57:00 auchter arch forked from crux
02 18:57:00 quark i always forget to set a rootpassword
02 18:57:00 auchter yep, i just forgot that too
02 18:58:00 quark lol
02 18:59:00 Morasique quark, auchter: good to know
02 18:59:00 auchter Morasique: it's randomized by default
02 18:59:00 Morasique oh yeah. damn it
02 19:02:00 quark i love the intel wireless cards are now in the kernel
02 19:06:00 auchter i also forgot to install a dhcp client, i'm winning at this tonight
02 19:09:00 tommost Okay, so what is cornhole and why do they think that I would possibly be interested in it?
02 19:10:00 auchter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornhole
02 19:10:00 auchter they should probably come up with another name to use.
02 19:11:00 tommost This game is seriously worth several e-mails a week?
02 19:13:00 tommost Still, given the second definition I will look upon these e-mails in a new light.
02 19:13:00 Morasique i always knew it as hillbilly horseshoes, but that's not much better
02 19:14:00 tommost Especially considering that "Teams are comprised of two people."
02 19:14:00 auchter that's why i'm always hesitant to click on those emails
02 19:16:00 tommost For me, Thunderbird doesn't scroll down so that you can see the next e-mail's subject when you advance with "n". When I hit it I never know what I'm about to be subjected to.
02 21:28:00 Morasique this is awesome. the clock in the study room is still an hour ahead, so every time i pass the study room i forget and think it's right, and i get a new bonus hour when i look at my laptop clock
02 21:32:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
02 21:45:00 quark what gentoo package brings in passwd
02 21:47:00 Morasique sys-apps/shadow
02 21:50:00 quark oh yeah
02 21:51:00 auchter seems like a strange question...
02 21:51:00 quark its been a little shile
02 21:51:00 quark why?
02 21:51:00 auchter why do you need to know that package?
02 21:52:00 quark because when I chrooted I didn't have it
02 21:52:00 auchter are you doing a stage3?
02 21:52:00 quark yes
02 21:52:00 quark oh fuck
02 21:52:00 auchter that should definitely be there...
02 21:52:00 quark smacks forehead
02 21:52:00 quark i totally downloaded the stage one tarball
02 21:53:00 auchter ah, that explains it ;)
02 21:53:00 quark that explains why A lot of my compiles were failing
02 21:53:00 quark i should just be able to get a stage 3 and continue from there right?
02 21:53:00 quark meh
02 21:54:00 quark i'll just redo it
02 22:03:00 quark its good you asked me that
02 22:03:00 quark i would not have caught that mistake
02 22:11:00 tommost I am impressed.
02 22:11:00 tommost gentoo++
02 22:11:00 quark yeah
02 22:11:00 quark fucking arch linux pissed me off
02 22:11:00 quark what really pisses me off is all you guys sitting there thinking I told you so
02 22:11:00 quark i like gentoo though
02 22:11:00 quark i've used it a lot before
02 22:11:00 quark so much better than ubuntu
02 22:11:00 Morasique tommost: hey, that was not gentoo's fault
02 22:11:00 quark nope
02 22:11:00 quark my fault
02 22:11:00 quark entirely
02 22:11:00 tommost Clearly it was Gentoo's fault. When his compiles failed it should have realized that he was doing it wrong and said, "hey, n00b, you're not l337 'nuff to do stage 1".
02 22:12:00 tommost Then he would have realized his mistake much sooner.
02 22:12:00 quark i am l337 enough
02 22:12:00 quark i just think its a waste of time
02 22:12:00 quark i've done it before
02 22:12:00 Morasique i've never seen the advantage of it, it's not like stage 3 comes packed with stuff you don't need
02 22:12:00 Morasique glares at ubuntu
02 22:13:00 quark Morasique: word
02 22:13:00 quark thats how I feel
02 22:13:00 quark oh
02 22:13:00 tommost hugs gnome-settings-daemon
02 22:13:00 quark and the 2008.0 live cd finally has vim on it
02 22:13:00 quark that was a nice suprise
02 22:13:00 tommost Hah! I don't need that! Take that, Gentoo!
02 22:13:00 quark it always pissed me off they only had nano
02 22:13:00 Morasique screw that, use nano. it's tradition
02 22:13:00 tommost Morasique++
02 22:13:00 quark but vim is better
02 22:14:00 quark tommost: does your text editor work in a terminal?
02 22:14:00 Morasique true
02 22:14:00 Morasique nothing of tommost's works in a terminal
02 22:14:00 auchter they've always had vim on the minimal cds at least
02 22:14:00 tommost Hey, I'm down with nano.
02 22:14:00 quark auchter: nuh uh
02 22:14:00 auchter it's just that you don't have it once you chroot, for obvious reasons
02 22:14:00 quark are you sure?
02 22:14:00 quark i don't think it used to be on the minimal cd's
02 22:15:00 auchter it has been for as long as i can remember
02 22:15:00 auchter i could be wrong
02 22:15:00 Morasique i thought it wasn't too, but i'm not sure
02 22:16:00 auchter and nano's a joke
02 22:16:00 quark pico ftw
02 22:16:00 tommost tries to run pico
02 22:16:00 Morasique stops tommost
02 22:17:00 tommost Oh, wait, I just get nano.
02 22:17:00 tommost Ubuntu++
02 22:17:00 quark pico is pretty old school
02 22:17:00 quark tommost: when did you stasrt using linux?
02 22:17:00 quark ie ubuntu was your first distro right?
02 22:17:00 quark i mean taht you really used a lot
02 22:18:00 tommost No, Mandrake was. For obvious reasons, that didn't last long. I first started using Ubuntu regularly about three years ago, IIRC.
02 22:18:00 tommost Maybe a bit later than that.
02 22:18:00 quark yeah
02 22:18:00 quark thats cool
02 22:18:00 quark i can't believe its really been around for three years
02 22:19:00 tommost I just realized that the red check marks everywhere on my exam are indications that I got stuff right. I suddenly feel much less worse about myself.
02 22:20:00 Morasique my numerical analysis prof did that
02 22:21:00 tommost Then I look at the score, and at all the little red exes, and I don't feel so good any more.
02 22:21:00 tommost freshmen: Don't take Honors Chem.
02 22:21:00 Morasique freshmen: ignore tommost
02 22:22:00 tommost It hurts.
02 22:22:00 tommost A lot.
02 22:23:00 tommost Fortunately, it hurts for everyone. My professor's e-mail on Friday:
02 22:23:00 tommost "EEEEEK!!! Please rework your exam this weekend. Turn in your rework and previous exam on Monday."
02 22:24:00 Morasique i liked honors chem, it was fun. regular chem is boring
02 22:24:00 Morasique i blame your professor
02 22:24:00 Morasique anyone who says "EEEEEK!!!" can't be trusted
02 22:24:00 tommost I have DeVasher. I don't really blame her that much; it's the 8:00 timeslot that fucks everyone.
02 22:25:00 tommost Given that, she does pretty well.
02 22:25:00 auchter my prof just says: ``IN CLASS EXAMS: These exams are open book, open notes, and open brain (your brain only). Expect a difficult exam with an average near 50%.
02 22:25:00 auchter ''
02 22:25:00 tommost I don't believe that she was expecting anything like that, though. Neither of the previous exams were like that.
02 22:25:00 auchter i have one of those exams on tuesday,and homework due tomorrow
02 22:26:00 auchter this is quickly making me realize that perhaps i should have paid attention the last three weeks
02 22:26:00 tommost Though I did terribly on the previous one as well, due to sleep deprivation.
02 22:27:00 tommost Hehe: http://dpaste.com/88398/
02 22:27:00 Morasique auchter: that's just what they want you to think
02 22:27:00 Morasique tommost: you stole my PS1
02 22:28:00 tommost I don't have a playstation...
02 22:28:00 Morasique i hate you
02 22:28:00 auchter there was no sarcasm indicator there...
02 22:29:00 tommost Morasique: I already told you that I did. Don't you remember me talking about the bolding issues I was having?
02 22:29:00 Morasique oh yeah. i guess i forgive you then
02 22:30:00 auchter my favorite editor is still emacs on the robotics computer...
02 22:30:00 Morasique i'm suspicious
02 22:31:00 tommost I'm pretty sure that emacs isn't installed on the robotics computer. Also, I don't think that auchter has ever used it, aside from turning it on and off.
02 22:31:00 auchter i meant rt-black
02 22:32:00 tommost It isn't installed.
02 22:32:00 auchter you're lyin
02 22:32:00 auchter g
02 22:34:00 tommost Hint: rc doesn't work for anyone but you.
02 22:34:00 auchter damn.
02 22:34:00 tommost I fixed it for you.
02 22:34:00 auchter awesome
02 22:52:00 Morasique er. what time is it?
02 22:52:00 Morasique is it almost midnight?
02 22:52:00 tommost 10:52
02 22:52:00 Morasique wtf. my laptop's clock jumped forward an hour
02 22:53:00 Morasique bonus hour!
02 22:53:00 auchter Morasique: i don
02 22:53:00 auchter 't think that's how it works
02 22:54:00 Morasique if i think it's one time and then discover it's an hour earlier, it works that way :). it's counteracted by the depression i felt a few minutes ago wondering how it was already midnight
02 22:57:00 auchter gah, one more problem to go on this wretched assignment.
02 23:03:00 andy753421 are there any Next boxes that were purely grayscale?
02 23:04:00 auchter andy753421: yes, most were, i believe
02 23:04:00 andy753421 interesting
02 23:11:00 quark sa-weet
02 23:11:00 quark gentoo is installed
02 23:16:00 auchter done, now time to play with my new gentoo install too
02 23:22:00 auchter i need to create a page of reminders for the next time i install gentoo
02 23:22:00 auchter remember: you might want to edit your fstab, set a password, and possibly install a dhcp client.
02 23:33:00 auchter argh, why does it seem that every autoconf'd package is so broken that it checks for what fortran compiler it's using?
02 23:33:00 Morasique <3 fortran
02 23:40:00 andy753421 there's probably some crazy autoconf rule that pulls it in for some reason
02 23:41:00 auchter yeah, but i think it can be removed
02 23:42:00 quark what pulls in iwconfig?
02 23:42:00 quark isn't it like wireless-utils?
02 23:42:00 auchter wireless-tools or something
02 23:42:00 quark tools....
02 23:42:00 andy753421 quark: `qfile iwconfig' will tell you
02 23:42:00 andy753421 qfile is in portage-utils
02 23:43:00 quark yeah
02 23:43:00 quark thats what I was going to say
02 23:43:00 Morasique andy753421: does that work? i thought you had to have the package installed already
02 23:43:00 quark i did too
02 23:43:00 andy753421 ah, that way
02 23:43:00 andy753421 probably not then
02 23:43:00 quark can you do it with equery?
02 23:43:00 Morasique no, it's the same mechanism
02 23:43:00 Morasique equery b is the same as qfile
02 23:44:00 quark oh
02 23:44:00 quark ok
02 23:48:00 auchter it's a good thing i'm not epileptic, sgi 1600sw monitors do not like vesa text mode
02 23:50:00 Morasique andy753421: aren't you supposed to be sleeping right now?
02 23:54:00 andy753421 maybe
02 23:56:00 auchter he's probably too excited about the new plan9 box the lug might get
02 23:57:00 Morasique i know that's why i'm up
03 00:01:00 auchter ugh, why am i getting crazy blocks trying to emerge nfs-utils
03 00:06:00 andy753421 what's blocking?
03 00:06:00 andy753421 if it's e2fsprogs, don't unmerge it, i found that out the hard way
03 00:06:00 auchter sys-libs/ss is blocking the install of e2fsprogs
03 00:06:00 auchter unmerging ss seems to be bad to do as well...
03 00:07:00 auchter eh, i'll deal with it another day
03 00:07:00 andy753421 i don't even have ss installed
03 00:08:00 auchter it didn't look like i had it installed either.
03 01:07:00 ZetaSyanthis2 will have taken over the channel shortly purely due to route reboots O.o
03 03:25:00 Morasique when emacs syntax highlights latex it underlines anything wrapped in \textit{}. that seems like an odd choice
03 03:26:00 tommost No, underlining is a way of indicating that something should be italicized.
03 03:26:00 tommost It makes sense.
03 03:43:00 ZetaSyanthis Speaking of odd highlighting choices, nano highlights strings in bright yellow... on a white background
03 03:44:00 ZetaSyanthis opened it by habit, I don't seriously code in nano
03 03:46:00 tommost I had no idea nano did all of the stuff I'm seeing in its man page... I have newfound respect for it.
03 03:48:00 Morasique tommost: are we talking about the same man page?
03 03:48:00 Morasique or you need new expectations for your editors
03 03:48:00 Morasique go learn vim
03 03:48:00 ZetaSyanthis is confused too, and he's a fan of nano simply due to the speed
03 03:49:00 ZetaSyanthis and simplicity, before you damned vim people jump down my throat
03 03:49:00 ZetaSyanthis will learn vim eventually, and probably sooner rather than later
03 03:50:00 Morasique it really is worth it to learn vim or emacs, i put it off for ages
03 03:50:00 ZetaSyanthis I know a little bit of emacs
03 03:50:00 Morasique i imagine vim is harder since it involves so much motion ninjaing
03 03:50:00 ZetaSyanthis Don't know the gdb tie-ins, though, which are what make it worth it
03 03:50:00 Morasique i pretty much move around in emacs either with arrows or with forward and reverse isearch, that's about it
03 03:51:00 Morasique it technically supports jumping in blocks like vim, but i don't think anybody really does it
03 03:51:00 ZetaSyanthis tbh, notepad++ is currently my favorite editor... it's simple and fast
03 03:52:00 ZetaSyanthis not available for linux natively though
03 03:52:00 ZetaSyanthis gedit is remarkably close, but has so many dependencies for starters
03 03:52:00 ZetaSyanthis *gedit with syntax highlighting on
03 03:53:00 Morasique i've never really used notepad++, but tons of people love it
03 03:53:00 ZetaSyanthis You should try it some time... I swear by the damned thing
03 03:56:00 ZetaSyanthis it's blazingly fast, which is a nice change of pace for windows apps
03 03:56:00 Morasique you'll just get confused when things don't take forever :)
03 03:57:00 Morasique i had a nice routine down when i got back from class while my xp partition was booting, i could time it exactly so it was done booting when i got back to my desk, and then linux destroyed that with its 20 second boot
03 03:57:00 ZetaSyanthis Heh
03 03:58:00 ZetaSyanthis What distro?
03 03:58:00 Morasique i started with ubuntu, i switched to gentoo over the summer
03 03:58:00 ZetaSyanthis that 20s including session restore, if what you're using has it?
03 03:58:00 ZetaSyanthis is using fluxbox, so it's not for him
03 04:00:00 ZetaSyanthis I need to somehow get my spare linux box going on gentoo, but it's more of a "have someone come help me" than bring it to LUG thing, as it's rackmount and not terribly mobile
03 04:00:00 ZetaSyanthis That's also the one I'm failing with my svn server on :P
03 04:02:00 Morasique i don't use standby or hibernate, i've never bothered. it's probably not actually 20 seconds, i'm not sure how long it takes. i've seen alarmingly well-tuned gentoo boots though
03 04:04:00 ZetaSyanthis nods
03 04:05:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't bother with those either, no real reason
03 04:06:00 ZetaSyanthis I assume our new server of doom is to run gentoo?
03 04:06:00 ZetaSyanthis would hope we use that to it's fullest potential
03 04:20:00 Morasique do we have plans for that server? i imagine it'll host distros and packages and whatnot; anything else?
03 04:29:00 andy753421 Morasique: isos, distro mirrors (distfiles/rsync/etc), VM's for testing, the website, distcc, maybe something else?
03 04:29:00 andy753421 Morasique: also, i'm awake
03 04:31:00 andy753421 ZetaSyanthis: not sure what it'll run yet, gentoo seems a little unstable for a server though
03 04:33:00 andy753421 it might end up being debian
03 05:01:00 ZetaSyanthis I was under the impression that gentoo's reliability is 100% dependent on how it's set up... that not true?
03 05:04:00 andy753421 heh heh heh
03 05:04:00 andy753421 not exactly, portage has a tendency to break things randomly
03 05:05:00 andy753421 although that's mostly confined to ~arch
03 05:10:00 Morasique i think half of the stuff i have installed is in ~x86, they mask everything
03 05:10:00 andy753421 indeed, but most of that isn't needed for servers
03 05:10:00 Morasique the neutrality of a wikipedia article on the interpretation of truth values in logic systems is disputed. is it even possible to have a non-neutral point of view on that subject?
03 05:12:00 andy753421 considering the lenght of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth, i'm not surprised
03 07:05:00 Morasique the bells in the academic buildings are still an hour ahead
03 08:04:00 Morasique damn it. my spam filter was foiled again, because it isn't trained to fear the "canpus calendar"
03 09:27:00 tommost Haha, the nano homepage is awesome.
03 09:35:00 tommost http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2008/11/grumble_grumble.html
03 10:04:00 Morasique speaking of layouts, wtf? 6 columns with 8 lines each seems stupid
03 11:47:00 tommost Morasique: Bump up the text size.
03 11:47:00 tommost (He makes his weblog a testcase for a Gecko's CSS3 column support.)
03 11:52:00 auchter that's actually really cool
03 11:53:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/thorn/44/7/wacky-prof-quotes/
03 11:53:00 tommost That page doubtless looks like shit in IE6.
03 11:54:00 andy753421 less line spacing for the love of god
03 11:54:00 andy753421 other than that it's nice :)
03 11:54:00 tommost It doesn't work so well on that page, but it's much easier to read on the other ones. For consistency's sake, I don't think that I should change it.
03 11:55:00 auchter yeah, i like my eyes to not have to move a mile to get to the next line.
03 11:55:00 tommost I'm just trying to exercise your circular scroll. ;)
03 11:56:00 auchter it all fits on one page, it's just an affront to proper typography
03 11:56:00 tommost I disagree.
03 11:56:00 andy753421 auchter: it looks pretty good in links
03 11:58:00 auchter using elinks it still looks double spaced
03 11:58:00 auchter double spacing is idiotic
03 12:00:00 andy753421 are there any other major websites that use that much spacing?
03 12:02:00 tommost How's this? http://jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu/thorn/44/7/buffy-time-of-your-life/
03 12:03:00 auchter way too much spacing. seriously, what's wrong with single spaced text?
03 12:04:00 tommost It's painful to read.
03 12:04:00 auchter erm, when's the last time you read a book with that much spacing?
03 12:04:00 tommost I'm going to ignore you now and work on the things that actually *are* broken.
03 12:05:00 tommost Also, it looks stupid because all of the articles are half the length of the navigation.
03 13:56:00 auchter anyone know the firefox option to turn off so that when i type a hostname it doesn't go www.hostname.com ?
03 14:06:00 auchter also, anyone interested in presenting this thursday?
03 14:07:00 tommost pokes collinjc
03 14:07:00 collinjc Perhaps. Hopefully I'll actually be able to show up this week. These last few have been horrendous.
03 14:10:00 collinjc I am very much looking forward to next quarter.
03 14:11:00 tommost If you don't think that you can do it I believe that Morasique volunteered to present on Lua and/or Awesome.
03 14:12:00 tommost s/volunteered/was not terribly resistant to the idea of/
03 15:24:00 auchter hm, now this is interesting...
03 15:26:00 auchter i just did an ldap lookup on myself, and one of the groups i'm a memberof is ``memberOf: CN=Wireless 116,OU=Dynamic Groups,OU=GROUPS,DC=rose-hulman,DC=edu''
03 15:27:00 auchter i'm on wireless, and my ip is 137.112.116.121
03 15:27:00 auchter cool.
03 18:10:00 andy753421 wow, some guy wrote a new web server
03 18:11:00 tommost You mean X server?
03 18:13:00 auchter oh cool
03 18:13:00 andy753421 er, yea, that
03 18:33:00 auchter i started using mutt again today
03 18:33:00 auchter that was mainly brought on by not wanting to reconfigure thunderbird after deleting /home
03 18:35:00 Morasique you thought the thunderbird configuration was too hard, so you switched to mutt? that's like "i couldn't remember the hotkeys in notepad, so i switched to vim"
03 18:36:00 auchter an improvement on both counts
03 18:36:00 Morasique possibly, but not for the reasons listed
03 18:37:00 auchter i didn't say that the thunderbird configuration was too hard, either
03 18:39:00 Morasique my point is i would expect it's harder to reconfigure mutt than thunderbird, so switching to mutt to avoid configuration work seems fruitless
03 18:39:00 auchter it wasn't the work i wanted to avoid, i wanted to avoid having to deal with thunderbird
03 18:40:00 Morasique but everyone loves thunderbird
03 18:41:00 auchter THERE IS NO DATA, THERE IS ONLY XUL
03 18:43:00 Morasique cowers
03 18:44:00 Morasique i always get confused when people leave me pleading comments in their code to take pity on them when grading, but now i'm doing the same thing on our AI assignment
03 18:45:00 auchter you know, it's rare that i write on my other homework assignments asking for mercy, but i admit to doing it in some programming assignments in the past.
03 18:45:00 auchter also, exams.
03 18:45:00 Morasique i'm not actually explicitly saying "please give us points", i'm writing a long narrative trying to justify how we deserve points despite not having functional code
03 21:44:00 tommost Morasique: #rhpolitics misses you.
03 21:58:00 Morasique oh, oops
03 22:54:00 tommost Everyone around me is studying Con
03 22:54:00 tommost Apps. It's glorious.
03 22:54:00 auchter i'm studying for EDM, it's rather awful
03 22:56:00 auchter i got lured into a false sense of security with the last exam. i should have listened to my prof when he said we'd fail.
03 22:58:00 ZetaSyanthis is torn about taking herniter's power supply class next quarter
03 22:59:00 ZetaSyanthis it'd be nice, but analog was a while ago, and he's known for killing you in the face
03 22:59:00 tommost wishes someone would tell him what International Relations is about.
03 22:59:00 ZetaSyanthis aren't you taking that?
03 22:59:00 tommost Yes.
03 22:59:00 tommost That's why I need to know.
03 23:00:00 ZetaSyanthis That seems somewhat bad O.o
03 23:00:00 auchter taking is future tense, confusingly enough
03 23:00:00 tommost I'm really just wondering what the homework load is like so that I can figure out how much work I can do next quarter.
03 23:28:00 tommost #3 on programming.reddit is awesome.
03 23:35:00 tommost So are #5 and #7.
03 23:36:00 auchter i enjoyed #2, actually
03 23:42:00 tommost Yes, that's definitely worth reading.
03 23:45:00 auchter i'm liking this new MIPS laptop mention...
03 23:45:00 auchter laments the downfall of SGI
03 23:45:00 tommost Mmm... that reminds me that I should get my MobilePro 780 working with NetBSD.
03 23:45:00 tommost I now have a large enough CompactFlash card.
03 23:59:00 Morasique on #3, why would they black our rms' e-mail address? i think everyone in the world knows it
04 00:00:00 Morasique and then they blacked out a random part of the subject in the original message, but not in the reply
04 00:01:00 andy753421 auchter: when's the SGA meeting?
04 00:02:00 andy753421 i think i might try to go to that if i'm not otherwise busy
04 00:04:00 Morasique oh. i just realized i'm talking in the wrong channel. oops
04 00:04:00 tommost Morasique: Huh?
04 00:04:00 tommost What you said made sense to me.
04 00:07:00 Morasique oh, i am in the right channel. go me
04 00:07:00 Morasique high-fives past self
04 00:18:00 auchter andy753421: 5:30, i think
04 00:20:00 auchter jboticsource: when is the SGA meeting?
04 00:20:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/SGA/meetings.html
04 00:21:00 auchter wow, their site is up to date.
04 00:21:00 auchter and they changed the location on us...
04 00:21:00 Morasique apparently they keep moving it around. maybe they're hiding
04 00:21:00 andy753421 well.. still not useful if for anyone wanting to be able to attend the following meeting
04 00:23:00 auchter so, what are the chances they'll approve our budget?
04 00:23:00 andy753421 i'd say they're pretty good
04 00:24:00 Morasique didn't they say it was approved if we changed some stuff, and then we changed it?
04 00:24:00 andy753421 Morasique: that was the finance committee, they look at it first then it goes before the rest of SGA
04 00:24:00 auchter no, the finance committee is recommending that SGA approve our budget
04 00:25:00 quark you just should give me money
04 00:25:00 quark i live with 4 sga senators
04 00:26:00 quark I could try to lobby them
04 00:26:00 auchter you should try that anyway, as a lug member you get access to the nice shiny server
04 00:26:00 auchter what's not to like?
04 00:26:00 quark i'ma lug member?
04 00:27:00 quark sweet
04 00:27:00 quark i thought I actually had to attend meetings and shit
04 00:27:00 auchter probably
04 00:27:00 auchter consider that your bribe.
04 00:27:00 quark alright
04 00:28:00 quark I think they just go to sga and think its a joke
04 00:28:00 quark they make stupid proposals
04 00:28:00 quark and annoy people
04 00:28:00 auchter if you've ever been to an SGA meeting, it is a complete joke
04 00:28:00 quark yeah
04 00:28:00 quark thats what they say
04 00:29:00 auchter it's a perfect representation of actual government, so they're doing a good job
04 00:29:00 quark they all wear their adelphia clothes
04 00:29:00 quark try to piss off the frats duders
04 00:41:00 jboticsource auchter: 5:30
04 01:26:00 Morasique cool. irssi tab-completes /topic
04 01:30:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, so does Pidgin, apparently
04 01:33:00 ZetaSyanthis as a random thought, with Nehalem coming out now, perhaps we should wait a week or two on the server order to save some cash
04 01:33:00 ZetaSyanthis there are bound to be price drops
04 01:34:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: but we need an urban terror server immediately
04 01:35:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
04 01:35:00 ZetaSyanthis silly me, I forgot all about that! O.o
04 10:20:00 andy753421 that's interesting
04 10:20:00 andy753421 the wikipedia `featured article' is mccain and obama, but they switch the order randomly whenever you refresh
04 10:20:00 auchter NPOV ftw
04 10:21:00 andy753421 although, to be fair, the image on the top one should always be float:right
04 10:21:00 andy753421 as it is, the mccain photo get's a slightly more prominent spot
04 10:22:00 auchter i think just alphabetizing them would have been fine, having them switch places on refresh is a bit ridiculous
04 10:23:00 Morasique they should've used silverlight to have the articles switch every 10 seconds. preferably with an awesome transition
04 10:23:00 andy753421 let's see if I can complain in #wikipedia and get it changed ;)
04 10:28:00 andy753421 didn't even have to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/November_4,_2008&action=history
04 10:49:00 Morasique the old way they were doing it using the server time wasn't bad; introducing javascript was pretty stupid. they should've just left it unprotected and every 30 seconds somebody would've switched it for them
04 13:58:00 auchter collinjc1: have you done the matlab part of the 300 homework?
04 14:03:00 auchter nevermind, apparently my brain has ceased to work today
04 14:24:00 andy753421 haha, another steam leak between Olin and BSB
04 14:33:00 auchter yeah, my brain is fried. i read that as ``haha, another steam leak between OpenBSD''
04 15:04:00 Morasique anybody have irssi+screen make the window urgent when a message comes in? i can't get it to work
04 15:05:00 auchter i think i may have tried to do that, i don't know if i did or if it worked
04 15:14:00 auchter excellent comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7b8j7/ask_reddit_can_you_recommend_any_good_cc_books/c066b9s
04 15:22:00 Morasique you can tell if it worked if the window blinks when you get a message :)
04 15:33:00 quark what do the juniors have for wireless cards in their laptop? broadcom or intel?
04 15:35:00 tommost Broadcom.
04 15:35:00 tommost To their never-ending pain.
04 15:35:00 tommost cackles
04 15:35:00 auchter 10:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)
04 15:36:00 auchter works absolutely fine for me.
04 15:36:00 quark thats what I thought
04 15:36:00 quark tommost: are you using the iwl3945 drivers that are in the kernel?
04 15:37:00 quark or any other sophmores?
04 15:44:00 tommost Um...
04 15:45:00 tommost I'm using whatever Ubuntu gives me. So probably.
04 15:45:00 tommost Although, at this moment "using" is the wrong term, since my wireless is broken.
04 15:46:00 auchter tommost: yeah, these broadcom cards are so horrible, working flawlessly...
04 15:46:00 tommost I recall people having problems last year.
04 15:46:00 tommost Or maybe that was the Dells...
04 15:48:00 auchter things were worse before b43 (and before bcm43xx supported the 4312)
04 15:48:00 auchter but that was a long time ago (2 years now) when ndiswrapper was needed. that worked horribly
04 15:55:00 Morasique i have problems with my m70, but other people don't, so i don't think it's broadcom's fault
04 15:56:00 tommost I'm more inclined to blame Ubuntu than Intel for my troubles. It worked perfectly—rock solid—before Ibex.
04 15:56:00 tommost I'm going to try using Ibex live CD, I think.
04 15:57:00 tommost Otherwise I don't know whether it's inherent to Ibex or some sort of config issue.
04 16:00:00 auchter or you could try using gentoo...
04 16:01:00 tommost If I switch distros it would most likely be to Debian.
04 16:01:00 tommost But I don't see any reason to do so.
04 16:02:00 auchter there isn't a reason if you're going to switch to debian
04 16:02:00 auchter but there's a good reason for switching to gentoo:it's better
04 16:10:00 Morasique he's going to switch to mac os just to spite you
04 16:10:00 tommost No, I'd switch to Arch if I wanted to spite him.
04 16:11:00 andy753421 speaking of switching, i finally got solaris downloaded
04 16:16:00 auchter sounds evil
04 16:51:00 tommost Morasique: It turns out that an unqualified exit() in Python is a 2.5ism. That explains why I thought that it wasn't valid before.
04 16:55:00 tommost What does it take to stop Thunderbird from threading by message title‽
04 16:56:00 andy753421 i bet if you write 0's over the binary it won't thread by message titles anymore
04 16:57:00 tommost An excellent proposition. Oh, wait, no, then I'd have to use Outlook.
04 17:06:00 quark when you emerge ati-drivesr do you have to get the headers of your current kernel?
04 17:06:00 quark or does it automatically look int /usr/src/linux for the sources
04 17:07:00 tommost How could you not have the headers of your current kernel under Gentoo?
04 17:07:00 auchter quark: it will look in /usr/src/linux
04 17:07:00 quark tommost: I do
04 17:07:00 tommost Ah.
04 17:07:00 quark but portage wants to bring in some other sources that I am not using
04 17:07:00 quark i'm using a fresh spiffy 2.6.27.4
04 17:07:00 andy753421 quark: there's also a sys-kernel/linux-headers, but i've never really been sure what that's for
04 17:08:00 quark my wireless drivers are in the kernel
04 17:08:00 andy753421 quark: see /etc/portage/package.provided (i think)
04 17:08:00 quark i'd have to make it
04 17:08:00 andy753421 it talks about it in `man portage'
04 17:08:00 quark it doesn't exist
04 17:08:00 quark i think i'll be fine
04 17:08:00 quark even if it wants to download that shit
04 17:09:00 quark who had a nice xorg.conf file they want to give me so I don't ahve to configure my own
04 17:12:00 Morasique tommost: if you never figured it out, View -> Sort By -> Unthreaded
04 17:13:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Xorg.conf
04 17:13:00 andy753421 we should start using that page again
04 17:13:00 auchter quark: http://freya.phire.org/files/xorg.conf
04 17:13:00 quark thanks
04 17:13:00 tommost Morasique: I want it threaded, I just want it to only do it by the threading headers. This is my inbox; threading by subject means that periodic messages (like LUG reminders) get threaded together, when they aren't a thread.
04 17:14:00 Morasique i imagine auchter's will be more helpful
04 17:14:00 auchter use mutt
04 17:15:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/88755/ :P
04 17:15:00 auchter andy753421: SGA meeting in 15 minutes
04 17:16:00 andy753421 yea.. i'm over in the lab at the moment so i'll head over there in a bit
04 17:16:00 quark what is pci_find_slot?
04 17:16:00 quark some kernel config?
04 17:17:00 quark i'd look it up myself but then I'd have to walk to another computer with a web browser
04 17:17:00 Morasique links ftw
04 17:17:00 quark yeah
04 17:17:00 quark its annoying though
04 17:18:00 quark do you know the answer to my question?
04 17:18:00 quark my computer is not optimized at all
04 17:19:00 auchter quark: add -Oinfinity to CFLAGS
04 17:21:00 quark whats that do
04 17:21:00 quark i don't trust that
04 17:21:00 quark ati drivers require deprecated things
04 17:21:00 quark suprising
04 17:21:00 tommost Indeed.~
04 17:26:00 quark any idea why sometiems I can shift+pageup but other times it won't let me?
04 17:35:00 auchter yay, logo presentation at SGA.
04 17:35:00 auchter i was hoping this wouldn't be painful. it looks like it will be
04 17:35:00 auchter they're using vertical blinds as a projector screen
04 17:36:00 auchter jboticsource: can you motion to end the presentation?
04 17:37:00 jboticsource i dont think so. The only thing i can interrupt with is point of order when roberts rules of order are broken
04 17:37:00 jboticsource we decided on doing this last meeting, which is why this is happening now
04 17:37:00 auchter well damn.
04 17:38:00 auchter ``quick thirty slides or so...'
04 17:39:00 jboticsource they are actually fairly quick
04 17:39:00 jboticsource some of them just have a single picture on them
04 17:39:00 auchter i hope so. last time there was food. we're in a dining room this time. i thought there would be food.
04 17:39:00 jboticsource me too
04 17:39:00 auchter tommost: i think he's criticising our robotics logo
04 17:40:00 tommost frowns
04 17:42:00 jboticsource told ya it was short
04 17:42:00 auchter good.
04 17:42:00 tommost What did he say about our logo?
04 17:43:00 auchter nothing, he was just criticising the lack of coherence of club logos and such
04 17:43:00 tommost Hah, yes! I defy the standard "R" symbol! Blue Highway for all!
04 17:44:00 tommost Eat this! http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/mw/images/0/0d/T-Shirt-2008.svg
04 17:44:00 auchter does anyone have a usb game pad?
04 17:45:00 jboticsource wasd
04 17:45:00 auchter analogue
04 17:45:00 tommost jboticsource: Soooo... T-shirts.
04 17:46:00 auchter ``here at the polytechnic''
04 17:46:00 tommost Er, polos, I mean.
04 17:46:00 jboticsource could be a cool idea
04 17:46:00 tommost auchter: Huh?
04 17:46:00 jboticsource getting us polo shirts
04 17:46:00 tommost jboticsource: Yes.
04 17:46:00 tommost Embroidered ones.
04 17:47:00 tommost With that logo.
04 17:47:00 jboticsource is that your final design?
04 17:49:00 tommost Yes.
04 17:49:00 tommost I did that weeks ago, actually.
04 17:49:00 jboticsource ok
04 17:49:00 jboticsource how many do u want?
04 17:49:00 tommost That's a good question.
04 17:49:00 auchter ``how zingy we want [the website]''
04 17:50:00 tommost auchter: Huh?
04 17:50:00 auchter i'm quoting the presenter
04 17:50:00 tommost Oh, so this is still the logo presenter?
04 17:50:00 jboticsource yes
04 17:51:00 auchter new logo: serif RHIT
04 17:51:00 tommost Hm?
04 17:51:00 auchter that's what a logo should be
04 17:51:00 auchter bold, serif initials
04 18:11:00 Morasique apparently i should've gone to sga
04 18:11:00 Morasique i want to see the zingyness
04 18:13:00 quark will distcc work between an x86 and an x86_64 bit machiene?
04 18:13:00 quark it doesn't seem too
04 18:13:00 quark lol now that I think about it, it really can't
04 18:13:00 auchter quark: if you install the target compiler you want
04 18:14:00 quark i don't know how to do that
04 18:14:00 auchter my server is running amd64 gentoo, but it also has a i686 compiler
04 18:14:00 quark apparently my chost is i486
04 18:14:00 quark but
04 18:14:00 auchter http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml
04 18:14:00 auchter ouch
04 18:14:00 auchter you used x86 instead of i686 ;)
04 18:14:00 quark yeah I did
04 18:15:00 quark is it possible to correct that?
04 18:15:00 auchter install an i686 compiler and redo everything?
04 18:15:00 quark how much of a performance hit do you think i'll take?
04 18:16:00 quark i mean is it really worh it to redo everything?
04 18:16:00 auchter i have no idea
04 18:17:00 quark i dunno
04 18:26:00 Morasique java needs multiple inheritance
04 18:27:00 auchter SGA needs logic short circuiting
04 18:27:00 tommost That is the least of the things that Java needs.
04 18:27:00 Zaszamonde auchter, are you still looking for a USB game pad?
04 18:28:00 auchter Zaszamonde: yes, especially if it works with linux and has at least one analogue control...
04 18:29:00 quark so tommost do you know how to install an x86 compiler on an x86_64 bit box?
04 18:29:00 quark ubuntu
04 18:29:00 Zaszamonde it should work on linux, but I'm not sure.
04 18:29:00 Zaszamonde this is mine: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=164714
04 18:29:00 tommost quark: Nope.
04 18:29:00 quark tommost: awww this is right up your alley
04 18:30:00 tommost Why would you need to do that? Didn't you trash your Ubuntu installation?
04 18:30:00 auchter hm, that's a bit weird
04 18:30:00 quark yes but we have a ubuntu quad core server in the house that I want to use for distcc
04 18:30:00 Morasique quark: for gentoo, you can use equery -q l | xargs emerge and walk away for a long time
04 18:31:00 Zaszamonde auchter: I think Corey Kump had one and it worked on linux, but I'm not sure about how to get it to work
04 18:32:00 auchter eh, it's not a huge deal
04 18:32:00 Zaszamonde okay then
04 18:50:00 auchter we lost by one vote.
04 18:51:00 tommost What‽
04 18:51:00 auchter the budget
04 18:52:00 auchter 21 for, 22 were needed for 2/3rds majority
04 18:52:00 tommost What was their problem with it?
04 18:53:00 auchter uh, it wasn't very clear
04 18:53:00 auchter i think we'll still get a promotional budget, maybe
04 18:53:00 tommost How can they deny us a promotional budget?
04 19:10:00 andy753421 no, they can't deny us the 150 for promotional but we'll have to ask for that some other time
04 19:11:00 andy753421 some guy was telling us to get IAIT to do all the server stuff for us...
04 19:11:00 andy753421 anyway i'm going to email iait and get a nice big 'No.' then we can go back and try to get a budget again
04 19:12:00 andy753421 actually, tommost should probalby do that, i imagine they hate him more than me ;)
04 19:17:00 tommost Hey, I'm helpful. I convinced them to break the encoding for virtually all pages on rose-hulman.edu.
04 19:19:00 tommost I don't think that they've noticed the problem yet.
04 19:20:00 andy753421 you could submit a support ticket asking them to change it back ;)
04 19:20:00 andy753421 and then delve off into an infinite loop of support tickets
04 19:20:00 tommost But that would break the homepage! Think of the effect on potential freshmen!
04 19:21:00 tommost I need to send them an e-mail telling them about the <Location> directive.
04 19:21:00 tommost Or we could get them to fix the encoding of all the old pages, which would be a better solution.
04 19:21:00 andy753421 or, you know, iconv
04 20:58:00 Morasique wait, seriously? we lost the sga vote?
04 20:59:00 Morasique did somebody mention that iait doesn't support linux?
04 21:03:00 andy753421 yea, they did
04 21:03:00 Morasique well boo
04 21:04:00 andy753421 there was one guy that as all anti giving out money
04 21:04:00 andy753421 even though he only complained about us for some reason
04 21:04:00 Morasique well that guy must lose a lot of votes, because i've seen the sga budget, it's comical
04 21:04:00 Morasique my roommate enjoys reading through each item every quarter and laughing
04 21:05:00 andy753421 yea, we're going to go back and say how useless IAIT is and hopefully get one more vote from that
04 21:06:00 Morasique iait did a story in their newsletter about how linux users should go to us instead of them. if anything we should get some of their money
04 21:06:00 andy753421 oh, we should bring that in
04 21:06:00 Morasique i don't know if it's published yet, i think it's this month's
04 21:06:00 andy753421 ok, when do they publish those?
04 21:07:00 Morasique it's supposed to be monthly, but it hasn't been the last couple years
04 21:07:00 Morasique it's sort of ad hoc
04 21:07:00 andy753421 ok
04 21:11:00 auchter i think it more had to do with us not being a full club
04 21:12:00 Morasique i thought this was part of the process to become a full club
04 21:29:00 andy753421 so has anyone found one of those vote counter things online?
04 21:29:00 auchter http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard
04 21:29:00 andy753421 specifically, one that doesn't suck
04 21:29:00 auchter no love for #rhpolitics? :(
04 21:29:00 andy753421 looks alright
04 21:29:00 andy753421 it'd be nice if there was a non-flash one
04 21:30:00 andy753421 #rhpolitics was too one sided last time I was in there
04 21:30:00 auchter the flash is used rather nicely
04 21:30:00 auchter i argue with everyone in there, how is it one sided?
04 21:42:00 auchter hm, wikipedia seems to be down for me.
04 21:42:00 auchter this is worrying, perhaps ZetaSyanthis had the right idea after all
04 21:43:00 andy753421 auchter: it seemed like a whole lot of mccain bashing and not much else
04 21:44:00 auchter i thought i was doing a pretty good job at bashing them all equally
04 21:45:00 andy753421 well either way, bashing people doesn't really interest me
04 21:45:00 auchter but more importantly, where is wikipedia?
04 21:45:00 auchter we've had some pretty good discussions the past few days, actually
04 21:45:00 andy753421 it's starting to load for me
04 21:45:00 auchter yeah, me too now
04 21:46:00 andy753421 the whole internet seems slow to me..
04 21:46:00 auchter me too, which is scary
05 08:12:00 Morasique i just used a do {} while loop. i think it might be the first time
05 09:29:00 Morasique a microsoft recruiter just sent me a message via facebook. that's weird
05 09:37:00 Morasique actually, considering this is one of the only things on my facebook profile, it's doubly weird: http://mrozekma.com/facebook.png
05 09:40:00 collinjc He's trying to win you over by force. Don't take the bait!
05 09:56:00 Morasique i just tried to make a destructor in java by writing ~Foo(). wtf is wrong with me
05 10:02:00 Morasique any plans for a presentation this week?
05 10:12:00 auchter Morasique: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-11.log#line-478
05 10:12:00 Morasique all of my presentations come about when tommost says i volunteered to do it
05 10:13:00 Morasique i think tommost volunteered to present on the virtues of mac os. yes, i remember it clearly now
05 10:20:00 Morasique true
05 10:21:00 Morasique there's no way they sent this out. *again*
05 10:21:00 auchter i'd offer to present, but i've got to come up with a 6 page literary analysis for tomorrow.
05 10:21:00 Morasique fine, choose school over lug
05 10:21:00 auchter different person this time..
05 10:22:00 auchter oh, the cough sneeze thing
05 10:22:00 Morasique they should show this video to people in elementary school, i don't think they're going to retrain college kids to sneeze a different way
05 10:22:00 Morasique particularly since nobody is going to click that link
05 10:23:00 Morasique i just realized google uses unsigned numbers for their ids
05 10:23:00 Morasique interesting
05 10:23:00 Morasique er. signed. unsigned would be normal
05 10:23:00 andy753421 return -1 for error?
05 10:23:00 Morasique what?
05 10:24:00 andy753421 well, think like fgetc return an int instead of a char so that they can return error numbers
05 10:25:00 Morasique this isn't a return though, it's the id number for a video
05 10:35:00 Morasique i don't know what i did, but suddenly eclipse decided to reformat this comment so there's one word on each line
05 10:35:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m789cf1a2
05 10:37:00 auchter that's weird formatting of the code as well
05 10:38:00 Morasique it's one line, how weird can it be?
05 10:39:00 auchter exactly
05 10:39:00 Morasique you confuse me
05 10:40:00 auchter http://pastebin.com/m69fef1d4
05 10:40:00 Morasique well, your preferences are bad
05 10:40:00 auchter of course, that's why i have them
05 10:41:00 auchter also, you should just use eclim instead of eclipse
05 10:42:00 Morasique hmm. eclipse + something ending in -im. i wonder
05 10:43:00 Morasique that's cool though, i wish they had that for emacs
05 10:43:00 auchter yeah, it really makes live nice
05 10:43:00 auchter not having to have a copy of the java api open for figuring out exactly what methods a specific class has is priceless
05 12:07:00 Morasique the new SE professor just e-mailed all CS/SE to ask for help moving in to his house. ninth week is not the best time to try and get CS/SE volunteers
05 13:36:00 Morasique java gets really confused if you make a circular reference
05 13:36:00 Morasique like, throwing an exception in class Foo claiming class Foo doesn't exist
05 13:45:00 Morasique i e-mailed mcleish on september 20th asking him to reset my cs password so i could use the mac in 225. he replied today, 46 days later, with my new password. it doesn't work
05 14:06:00 quark has anyone else had problems compiling ati-drivers-8.501?
05 14:06:00 quark or could recommend a better version they know compiles
05 14:11:00 auchter quark: i just download the latest version from ati's website
05 14:11:00 quark you don't use portage?
05 14:11:00 quark i got the ~x86 version to work
05 14:11:00 auchter not for the drivers, no
05 14:11:00 quark hmmm
05 14:12:00 quark i got it to compile so i'm happy now
05 14:28:00 quark how do you mke it re-read your .Xdefaults
05 14:28:00 auchter xrdb?
05 14:28:00 quark oh yeah
05 14:58:00 quark do you guys install vmware server through portage or just the sources on their site?
05 15:18:00 auchter i use kvm from portage
05 15:21:00 quark kernel virtual machines?
05 15:21:00 auchter yes
05 15:21:00 tommost We've already established that he needs VMware, auchter.
05 15:21:00 quark yeah
05 15:22:00 quark i'm not sure if he knows that
05 15:22:00 tommost I don't think that anyone here uses VMware under Gentoo, actually.
05 15:22:00 auchter i did, but i forgot
05 15:22:00 quark it should work either eay
05 15:22:00 quark way*
05 15:23:00 tommost I can't imagine that it really makes that much difference under Gentoo, what with the "build everything from source" mentality.
05 15:24:00 quark it really doesn't take all that long
05 15:24:00 quark only takes me a few minutes to build X
05 15:24:00 quark i must say it feels good to have a solid distro under me
05 15:24:00 quark that I understand how to use
05 15:25:00 quark i never really knew all the idiosyncricies of ubuntu
05 15:28:00 quark i awnt to know what they talk about
05 15:28:00 quark shit
05 15:28:00 quark wrong window
05 15:37:00 Morasique on an unrelated note, it's november fifth. lug movie night: v for vendetta
05 15:38:00 ZetaSyanthis Heh
05 15:39:00 auchter that's not a very luggy film
05 15:40:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm up for it if we pick a place/time
05 15:40:00 Morasique auchter: that's what you think. it turns out V uses linux
05 15:41:00 ZetaSyanthis haha
05 15:41:00 Morasique awesome. i have a script that plays a random movie from my movies folder, it just pulled Sneakers. it's a sign
05 15:50:00 tommost Yeah, we should schedule that movie night.
05 16:16:00 Morasique let the edit conflicts begin!
05 16:19:00 auchter i'm not liking the white/any other light color
05 16:20:00 auchter i found this summer that whenever i wore a light colored polo, i inevitably spilled coffee on it
05 16:20:00 Morasique auchter: obviously this means you need to stop drinking coffee
05 16:20:00 kleinjt auchter: try drinking white and green tea, it tastes better anyways
05 16:21:00 kleinjt also try sippy cups
05 16:21:00 auchter kleinjt: i'm rather partial to oolong, actually. that's mainly because i've run out of decent white tea
05 16:21:00 auchter granted, i prefer the greener oolongs
05 16:22:00 auchter Morasique: you should try to be less blasphemous
05 16:24:00 Morasique people keep telling me that
05 16:26:00 auchter i can see why. your suggestion for me to reduce coffee intake was simply absurd and, frankly, rather hurtful
05 16:30:00 tommost auchter: I'd be in favor of a nice cream.
05 16:33:00 auchter i think black would be nice.
05 16:33:00 tommost Problem: Tux is black.
05 16:33:00 auchter exactly
05 16:34:00 auchter only two colors would be needed, white and yellow
05 16:34:00 tommost I've already gotten it down to two. Black and yellow.
05 16:34:00 auchter change the black text to white
05 16:35:00 Morasique i would think tux would look weird on a black shirt
05 16:35:00 tommost Jon has a black shirt with Tux on it.
05 16:35:00 tommost It looks odd.
05 16:35:00 kleinjt http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/back/linux-v2.jpg
05 16:35:00 tommost Yeah, that one.
05 16:35:00 auchter i have the same one, it looks fine
05 16:35:00 kleinjt now that you mention it, it looks a little creepy
05 16:36:00 auchter tux is just stealthy
05 16:37:00 Morasique solution: invert tux: http://mrozekma.com/tux.png
05 16:37:00 kleinjt that on an orange shirt would look amazing
05 16:40:00 tommost http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/36605
05 16:41:00 Morasique ooooooo
05 16:42:00 tommost That script gets larger pretty much every time I have to grade an Angel quiz.
05 16:42:00 Morasique sadly, i never grade angel quizzes
05 16:43:00 tommost Perhaps you'll still benefit from http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24321
05 17:10:00 Morasique tommost: i already do, actually
05 18:12:00 Morasique they're showing v for vendetta in the gm room tonight. they stole my idea
05 18:13:00 auchter i don't trust THEM
05 18:13:00 auchter whenever THEY do something i'm rather suspicious
05 18:13:00 ZetaSyanthis who?
05 18:14:00 ZetaSyanthis Morasique: Who?
05 18:14:00 tommost Yeah, I appear to me missing an all-campus e-mail.
05 18:14:00 Morasique i don't know, they e-mailed the apartments
05 18:15:00 Morasique i think the east 2 RA is doing it
05 18:15:00 ZetaSyanthis I find the lack of an all-campus mail shocking too
05 18:15:00 tommost Mmm.
05 18:15:00 tommost Forward it to me; I'll get Percopo.
05 18:17:00 ZetaSyanthis what time is the showing? I'm bored and looking for something to do...
05 18:18:00 tommost I wish I didn't have so much comparch to do.
05 18:18:00 ZetaSyanthis *something that is not work
05 18:18:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: 8:15
05 18:18:00 ZetaSyanthis Comparch 1, or 2?
05 18:18:00 ZetaSyanthis ty
05 18:18:00 tommost 1
05 18:18:00 tommost I'm a sophomore.
05 18:19:00 auchter comp arch 2 is taken during sophomore year, but it's not even offered this quarter
05 18:19:00 ZetaSyanthis I took comparch 2 fall quarter of sophomore year
05 18:20:00 ZetaSyanthis O.o
05 18:21:00 auchter qls
05 18:21:00 ZetaSyanthis ?
05 18:22:00 auchter focus was on the wrong window
05 18:22:00 ZetaSyanthis ah, rgr
05 19:21:00 Morasique at rha we found out the thing we're funding for st. jude's childrens' hospital was rejected by sga because they don't support charities, so there was general sga hate by the end of the meeting, it was very satisfying
05 19:22:00 auchter losing by one vote was rather frustrating yesterday. i wouldn't have really minded had i not sat through 1.5 hours of SGA madness
05 19:24:00 andy753421 we need to figure out when the next meeting is so we can go back to that one
05 19:25:00 auchter jordan suggested we keep adding stuff to our budget. apparently that disc golf club was denied a few weeks ago, so they added stuff to their budget and it passed.
05 19:25:00 andy753421 haha, that's great
05 19:27:00 tommost Okay, then what do we want to add? :D
05 19:27:00 andy753421 4 processors?
05 19:27:00 auchter i should have brought up the point that though we're a probationary club, it doesn't much matter
05 19:27:00 andy753421 what doesn't matter much?
05 19:28:00 auchter once set up properly, this machine will require little maintence, a club structure isn't necessary for its existence
05 19:28:00 andy753421 i think that one guy just hates us, he didn't complain about any of the other probationary clubs
05 19:32:00 Morasique what's his name and social security number? i'll take care of it
05 19:47:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, my was-going-to-be-an-svn-server keeps shutting off at total random
05 19:47:00 ZetaSyanthis This seems not good
05 19:48:00 ZetaSyanthis I have been progressively stipping hardware out, and it keeps doing it :/
05 19:48:00 ZetaSyanthis *stripping
05 19:51:00 auchter power supply is the most likely culprit, obviously
05 19:56:00 Morasique try turning it on without the power supply and see if it works
05 19:58:00 ZetaSyanthis haha
05 19:58:00 ZetaSyanthis auchter, this PSU is rated to 150,000 hr MBTF, so I'm not so sure
05 19:59:00 ZetaSyanthis it has been running near 24/7 for a bit though
05 19:59:00 ZetaSyanthis digs around for a spare psu to try
05 21:34:00 tommost SciTE has blocked waiting for a dead sshfs mount and I can't kill it. :'(
05 21:36:00 tommost Hah! It died!
05 21:40:00 Morasique they should really fix that
05 21:40:00 tommost Yeah.
05 21:40:00 auchter nfs++
05 21:40:00 tommost encryption++
05 21:41:00 auchter nfs+encfs
05 21:41:00 tommost And how well does that work across the Internet?
05 21:42:00 auchter i'm not sure, i haven't actually tried
05 21:43:00 auchter i just use NFS on my lan at my apartment
05 21:43:00 tommost I'm using it across campus all the time.
05 21:43:00 auchter it's great, because i have an export mounted, then i go to another network where it's unreachable
05 21:43:00 tommost And from home.
05 21:43:00 auchter i come back and then it still works without me doing anything
05 21:43:00 auchter yeah, i use sshfs remotely
05 22:43:00 auchter so no takers for a presentation tomorrow?
05 23:16:00 kleinjt we could just have a tron tournament
05 23:26:00 auchter it's telling when you get a fortune like this from plan 9's fortune: ``Plan 9 makes BeOS look like a market leader.''
05 23:32:00 auchter while () { 9 fortune; sleep 5; } is horrible for productivity
05 23:42:00 tommost I really want to install plan9's fortune.
05 23:45:00 auchter tommost: it's on rt-black and addiator
06 03:43:00 ZetaSyanthis on a high class note, editing your grub.conf and rebooting without install grub isn't very helpful!
06 04:00:00 Morasique i would make fun of you, but i've been known to recompile my kernel and then reboot into the old one
06 04:01:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
06 04:02:00 ZetaSyanthis well, this is my 4th try on gentoo
06 04:02:00 ZetaSyanthis I have a box for it finally
06 04:02:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, it can see the internet, but seems to have no dns info
06 04:02:00 ZetaSyanthis any thoughts?
06 04:03:00 ZetaSyanthis ping 137.112.0.1 works, for instance, but not google.com
06 04:10:00 ZetaSyanthis fixed it
06 04:10:00 ZetaSyanthis kicks his router a bit
06 08:06:00 andy753421 auchter: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input/joystick-parport.txt
06 08:06:00 andy753421 wait, wrong channel
06 08:42:00 auchter awesome, my first class of the day is cancelled. not awesome: the email was just sent out a minute ago :(
06 08:44:00 andy753421 my first class was delayed 15 minutes, but i'm not paying attention anyway
06 08:52:00 andy753421 so this would be pretty cool, take 4 classes a quarter, then spend two weeks per class with one week breaks in between
06 09:29:00 tommost So I'm reading the robotics team's 2004 report on the autonomous helicopter.
06 09:29:00 tommost They seem to love FPGAs a lot.
06 09:31:00 tommost I'm wondering where their old boards went; they claim to have been using several.
06 09:46:00 auchter tommost: that's interesting
06 09:53:00 Morasique it really is kind of annoying that they keep e-mailing CS/SE with e-mails from hautians who have broken computers or want webpages made. do they e-mail MEs when people want bookshelves made?
06 09:53:00 Morasique i'm going to e-mail all ChemEs asking for help starting a meth lab
06 10:27:00 Morasique there's no reason anybody should ever buy a lightscribe...and yet i want one
06 11:47:00 tommost I have one. It is totally useless.
06 11:50:00 auchter i've never used mine
06 11:51:00 tommost Morasique: I'll sell you my laptop if you really want one.
06 11:55:00 tommost http://www.eflorenzano.com/blog/post/internet-immediate-danger-collapse/
06 11:58:00 auchter cooler: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/11/146
06 11:59:00 andy753421 "no plans to run acme" ...
06 12:00:00 auchter andy753421: i think he's said in that past that people have wanted to run XEmacs on blue gene/l compute nodes...
06 12:00:00 andy753421 ah, that makes sense then
06 12:02:00 auchter http://9fans.net/archive/2008/07/825
06 12:24:00 quark what .Xdefaults line makes the font larger in urxvt?
06 12:25:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/ucbv2w63.html
06 12:25:00 quark i hate specifing fonts in linux
06 12:26:00 quark my line is just URxvt*font: fixed
06 12:27:00 andy753421 there's alias to certain fonts: see /usr/share/fonts/misc/fonts.alias
06 12:28:00 quark oh sweet
06 12:40:00 tommost So who is presenting today?
06 12:53:00 tommost Um, anyone?
06 12:55:00 andy753421 hm.. i had ideas for some presentations the other day, but i forgot what they were
06 12:55:00 andy753421 oh, one of them was glade
06 12:56:00 tommost Oooo... yes.
06 12:56:00 andy753421 the other might have been autoconf
06 13:43:00 tommost We should reenter the IARC. With a blimp.
06 13:44:00 auchter i'm in if we fill it with hydrogen
06 13:44:00 tommost Of course!
06 13:44:00 kleinjt How about if we enter IGVC with a blimp
06 15:15:00 jboticsource do we have a roseified version of the most recent ubuntu release?
06 15:19:00 jboticsource or a roseification script that works with the most recent release?
06 15:20:00 tommost I don't think so.
06 15:20:00 tommost I believe that all we have is an empty svn repository.
06 15:21:00 jboticsource my windows partition died
06 15:21:00 jboticsource and i am using linux to rescue my data now
06 15:21:00 quark what does roseification exactly entail?
06 15:22:00 jboticsource adding printers, RHIT-1X network key, etc
06 15:22:00 jboticsource vpn
06 15:22:00 jboticsource would be nice
06 15:22:00 quark oh
06 15:22:00 quark its really not that much to add
06 15:23:00 jboticsource other class software that works would be nice too
06 15:26:00 Morasique it would be nice, hence the plan to someday write that script, but i don't think we've even started yet
06 15:26:00 jboticsource i thought we had one
06 15:26:00 jboticsource so will IAIT install windows without eating my linux install?
06 15:27:00 quark no
06 15:27:00 quark they want to image your whole drive
06 15:30:00 jboticsource is there a way for me to not get my linux destroyed?
06 15:30:00 jboticsource ...
06 15:30:00 quark install it yourself?
06 15:30:00 jboticsource can i ask for a winfail disk?
06 15:31:00 jboticsource and do it myself?
06 15:31:00 quark i know on our laptops the windows recovery disk images are built into our laptop
06 15:31:00 quark sophmore
06 15:31:00 quark so you can probably just find a friend
06 15:31:00 jboticsource what do u mean by "built in"
06 15:31:00 jboticsource we have the files?
06 15:31:00 quark there is a folder
06 15:31:00 quark yeah
06 15:31:00 jboticsource where is it?
06 15:31:00 quark in mine they were in c:\rhit
06 15:32:00 jboticsource i can mount my windows partition, but it wont boot
06 15:32:00 quark oh
06 15:32:00 quark mount it up and look in there
06 15:33:00 jboticsource i have that folder
06 15:33:00 quark whats in it?
06 15:33:00 jboticsource inside is a folder i386 and a bunch of files
06 15:33:00 quark hmm
06 15:33:00 jboticsource inside that folder
06 15:33:00 quark we had two dvd iso's in there
06 15:33:00 jboticsource that is what i remember
06 15:33:00 quark you could probably get a disk from iait
06 15:33:00 quark or
06 15:33:00 jboticsource i should go do that then
06 15:34:00 quark you can probably download it from msndnaa or whatever that thing is
06 15:34:00 jboticsource what is that?
06 15:34:00 quark its like every piece of microsoft software that we have access too
06 15:35:00 quark tahts not the right word for it
06 15:36:00 tommost quark: He's an OpE.
06 15:36:00 quark oh
06 15:36:00 quark sucks2bu
06 15:36:00 quark tommost: whats that thing called?
06 15:37:00 tommost MSDNAA
06 15:37:00 quark oh
06 15:37:00 quark i had an extra N
06 15:38:00 quark you have to be a cpe or cs to get it?
06 15:38:00 tommost jboticsource: You can use pretty much any Windows CD and just use the key on the bottom of your laptop.
06 15:38:00 Morasique you have to be in a cs class to get it
06 15:38:00 quark oh
06 15:38:00 quark ok
06 15:38:00 quark currently?
06 15:38:00 quark or ever
06 15:38:00 tommost Currently, I think.
06 15:39:00 Morasique right
06 15:39:00 tommost Although I think that CS/SE always have access. I had it over the sumer, IIRC.
06 15:39:00 Morasique no, we don't
06 15:40:00 auchter CPEs always have access.
06 15:41:00 tommost I had access winter quarter; I didn't have a CS class then.
06 15:41:00 quark sweet
06 15:41:00 tommost Just ECE 130
06 15:43:00 jboticsource i just went down to IAIT and they wont loan me a disk or anything. look like i get to redo 2 Oss today
06 15:45:00 jboticsource does anybody have a ubuntu disk that is most recent?
06 15:45:00 jboticsource that woudl not mind bringing to the CS lab during the lug meeting?
06 15:46:00 tommost I will burn you one in return for a presentation.
06 15:47:00 jboticsource hmm
06 15:47:00 jboticsource i dont know what i could present on
06 15:47:00 auchter tom's going to give a presentation on D
06 15:47:00 tommost I don't know D.
06 15:47:00 auchter well damn
06 15:48:00 tommost Well, I know a little.
06 15:48:00 tommost Like that GCD is a bit... unstable.
06 15:48:00 tommost Which presents a problem for me.
06 15:48:00 tommost BRB... laundry.
06 15:49:00 auchter what?
06 15:50:00 Morasique jboticsource: you know ubuntu is free? you can download it
06 15:51:00 jboticsource yes, but i want to get iait to image my comp today
06 15:51:00 quark it doesn't take that long ot download it
06 15:52:00 Morasique and why do you need it downloaded before they image it? you could download it after if you needed to
06 15:54:00 jboticsource that is true
06 15:55:00 jboticsource i found an image
06 15:55:00 jboticsource on ftp://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/ubuntu-ISO/CDs/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
06 15:55:00 Morasique wow, the cs department is up to date. go us
06 15:56:00 quark whats .sdc?
06 15:56:00 Morasique if we had a lug server this would've been much easier
06 15:56:00 Morasique be sure to share this story with sga
06 15:56:00 quark yeah i heard you guys didn't get your money
06 15:56:00 quark aren't you just a probationary club though?
06 15:57:00 Morasique i think, i've stopped paying attention
06 15:57:00 Morasique http://filext.com/file-extension/sdc
06 15:57:00 auchter yep, that didn't stop the disc golf club from getting 2k though (i think they're probationary, i wasn't paying too much attention)
06 15:57:00 quark ohh
06 15:58:00 quark don't you guys have servers on campus?
06 15:58:00 Morasique we have personal servers, not lug ones
06 15:58:00 quark yeah
06 15:58:00 quark but
06 15:58:00 quark you could easily just turn one of thoes into a lug server
06 15:58:00 auchter one is
06 15:59:00 auchter but it's leaving at the end of the year
06 15:59:00 quark ah
06 15:59:00 auchter and, it's not powerful enough and doesn't have enough space to do whaat we want
06 15:59:00 Morasique anybody know where Blazeix is?
06 16:02:00 tommost GCD -- GNU Compiler for D
06 16:04:00 Morasique tommost: ?
06 16:04:00 tommost (15:49:16) auchter: what?
06 16:05:00 Morasique that's probably not the part he was asking about
06 16:06:00 auchter it probably was
06 16:06:00 tommost Um, well, it wouldn't compile valid code when I tried using it.
06 16:06:00 tommost And the DIgital Mars compiler didn't like 64-bit Linux.
06 16:07:00 auchter i'm going to do the rational thing and blame ubuntu
06 16:08:00 Morasique auchter: i assumed you were unlazy enough to google GCD and you were asking what he found unstable about it
06 16:08:00 auchter Morasique: i didn't
06 16:08:00 Morasique clearly
06 16:09:00 auchter clearly you have no idea what i meant by that. that was intentionally ambiguous
06 16:09:00 auchter in fact, i'm not even sure i know what i meant by it
06 16:09:00 tommost curlftpfs is awesome. I just burned a CD directly from the CS dept server.
06 16:09:00 Morasique well it either meant you didn't make an assumption about yourself or you didn't google it. the former was stupid so i went with the latter
06 16:10:00 Morasique tommost: i didn't even know that existed, that's useful
06 16:13:00 Morasique i installed vimperator. i confuse myself
06 16:17:00 Morasique unix russian roulette is on slashdot: [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "You live"
06 16:17:00 Morasique we should play this at lug meetings
06 16:24:00 Morasique there's a random tech comm group in the cs lab. i'm hoping the lug meeting will drive them away, they're already saying things like "don't make any sudden movements"
06 17:03:00 auchter anyone want to kind do a shell comparison
06 17:03:00 quark i will
06 17:03:00 quark i have a big shell collection
06 17:03:00 quark most are from flordia I think
06 17:03:00 quark the rest are from the pacific area
06 17:03:00 quark i have somre really rare shells
06 17:04:00 quark i have a few starfish too if you want me to show off thoes?
06 17:05:00 Zeta_mobile I'd be interested to hear about the differing ones, auchter, but I can't say I'm familiar with them currently
06 17:06:00 auchter apparently andy's going to give a presentation on glade
06 17:07:00 Zeta_mobile glade?
06 17:07:00 Zeta_mobile interesting
06 17:08:00 Morasique auchter: what shell do you use?
06 17:12:00 Morasique auchter: i'm glaring at you irl until you answer
06 17:15:00 auchter Morasique: bash, rc for scripting
06 17:19:00 tommost Oh, Glade? I'm on my way! Wait up!
06 18:08:00 hollanbm would anyone here happen to have the pdf instructions for installing waste natively
06 18:56:00 tommost hollanbm: It doesn't work for anyone besides Blazeix; I don't recommend bothering.
06 19:12:00 hollanbm anybody^^^
06 19:16:00 hollanbm thx tom, i appreciate it :D
06 19:29:00 Morasique tommost: it doesn't work for Blazeix either on arch, just ubuntu
06 19:29:00 auchter laughs at arch
06 19:29:00 tommost And I couldn't get it to work under Ubuntu. Several versions of Ubuntu. Several machines.
06 19:29:00 Morasique odd. maybe you're a failure
06 19:30:00 Morasique ignores his failure to get it working on gentoo
06 19:31:00 andy753421 i got waste working natively once, but the UI sucks and it's better to just use wine
06 19:32:00 Morasique scoffs disbelievingly
06 19:32:00 tommost Morasique: Did you figure out how to fix the issues with awesome?
06 19:33:00 Morasique tommost: i just avoid making it mad. if i change my config file and it starts crashing, i change it back
06 19:33:00 auchter sounds like an excellent piece of software...
06 19:33:00 Morasique indeed
06 19:33:00 tommost Oh, I meant the issues with windows going black and not repainting.
06 19:33:00 tommost I figured that one out.
06 19:33:00 auchter hah
06 19:33:00 Morasique i think there's just a limit on how many widgets you can have, that seems to be my problem
06 19:33:00 Morasique tommost: i don't have that problem
06 19:34:00 Morasique are you talking about just with waste?
06 19:35:00 tommost Yes.
06 19:35:00 Morasique i run waste windowed, did you try that?
06 19:36:00 Morasique oh, actually, i use metacity on my desktop
06 19:37:00 tommost No, that's not the issue. Unless you set certain settings it minimizes its various windows when the main window gets minimized. When awesome shows it after having had it hidden (presumably in a minimized state) it Waste gets confused and refuses to paint. Presumably it still thinks that it is minimized.
06 19:38:00 Morasique yeah, i think i had that problem, but i only run waste on my desktop, and my desktop uses metacity, so i've deftly avoided the issue
06 19:38:00 tommost I had the same issue under Compiz, actually.
06 19:48:00 Morasique ok, vimperator is awesome
06 19:49:00 Morasique maybe all things with vim in the name aren't terrible
06 19:49:00 quark what doesit do?
06 19:49:00 Morasique it's a firefox plugin that gives firefox vim keybindings
06 19:49:00 Morasique lots of lug people use it
06 19:50:00 Morasique http://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/4891
06 19:50:00 quark i use my mouse a lot in firefox
06 19:50:00 Morasique yeah, that's what it helps avoid :)
06 19:51:00 quark i duno
06 19:51:00 andy753421 but then how are you supposed to wast all your time on the interwebs?
06 19:51:00 quark i just don't feel like i edit much text in firefox
06 19:52:00 Morasique it's not for editing next, it's mainly for navigation purposes
06 19:52:00 Morasique s/next/text/
06 19:52:00 quark yeah
06 19:52:00 quark thats my point
06 19:52:00 Morasique that sounded like the opposite of your point
06 19:53:00 quark my point was why would I use keybindings for text editing for persuing the internet
06 19:53:00 andy753421 quark: most of the key bindings in vim are for navigation
06 19:53:00 Morasique vim is good at navigation stuff too
06 19:53:00 Morasique much better than emacs, actually
06 19:53:00 quark andy753421: i dunno....
06 19:56:00 Morasique the hit-a-hint thing and being able to mark positions on a page alone are worth installing it
06 19:56:00 andy753421 hit-a-hint thing?
06 19:56:00 Morasique F
06 19:56:00 andy753421 i don't use vimperator, what does it do?
06 19:56:00 quark turns firefox into vim...
06 19:56:00 Morasique quark: he means what does F do
06 19:56:00 quark or
06 19:57:00 Morasique andy753421: it puts a little letter next to every link and button on the page, and hitting that letter is like clicking that link/button
06 19:57:00 quark Morasique: yeah I know
06 19:57:00 quark i was being facetious
06 19:57:00 quark orhowever you spell that word
06 19:57:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/F.png
06 19:57:00 andy753421 yea, i've seen people use that
06 19:58:00 Morasique there's firefox plugins that do just that, but they all blow. the vimperator one works great
06 20:00:00 auchter ; is my favorite part of vimperator
06 20:01:00 Morasique oh, awesome. that's even better
06 20:01:00 auchter indeed. it's rare that i use f
06 20:01:00 auchter mainly because i open stuff in tabs like crazy
06 20:01:00 Morasique (for others: it lets you use the hint letters to do different stuff with the links, like copy them to the clipboard)
06 20:01:00 auchter or open in tabs
06 20:02:00 tommost Has the Firefox 3 version improved any? When I tried it it didn't have any decent documentation.
06 20:02:00 Morasique i use firefox 2
06 20:02:00 Morasique the help page seems decent
06 20:02:00 quark why do you need documentation?
06 20:02:00 quark i don't think i've ever read firefox documentation
06 20:02:00 auchter quark: he's an SE
06 20:02:00 tommost Because I don't know any of the keybindings.
06 20:03:00 quark i just google that sort of thing
06 20:03:00 tommost It was terribly confusing; I gave it up because I kept doing crazy shit my accident.
06 20:03:00 auchter SEs are addicted to documentation
06 20:03:00 quark lol if you google firefox 3 key bindings the first link is for vimperator
06 20:11:00 collinjc I hate GM so much.
06 20:11:00 Morasique the company?
06 20:11:00 collinjc Yes.
06 20:11:00 Morasique why?
06 20:12:00 tommost They made his car?
06 20:12:00 collinjc Because you should not have to remove crossbraces to get to fuses.
06 20:12:00 auchter collinjc: hey, another GM car is all it took to get yours to start ;)
06 20:12:00 collinjc auchter: That is definitely true.
06 20:13:00 collinjc My car no longer has ABS or traction control, but I am fairly confident that it should start in the morning.
06 20:13:00 collinjc Nor does it have the freaking brace that covers the fuse box and the battery.
06 20:17:00 auchter i've always found power steering rather overrated as well
06 20:18:00 Morasique i didn't have power steering for the first year or so i had a car, i didn't realize it. then we fixed it, it was amazing
06 20:21:00 auchter synchronized transmissions are also overrated
06 20:21:00 collinjc I agree. Power steering is overrated.
06 20:21:00 collinjc And I agree to that as well.
06 20:22:00 collinjc Obviously I need a car with nothing electrical.
06 20:22:00 collinjc I'm okay with hydraulic as long as there's nothing electrical that it depends on.
06 20:23:00 collinjc Better yet, I should just get a horse.
06 20:24:00 collinjc Dr. Yoder and I could carpool that way.
06 20:24:00 collinjc If he wasn't in China, of course.
06 20:25:00 auchter i think rickshaws would suit terre haute perfectly
06 20:29:00 collinjc I should go to an SGA meeting and request that they install posts to tie horses to in addition to the new bike racks they plan to install.
06 20:29:00 collinjc And maybe submit a support ticket to TSC as well. Then it is bound to happen.
06 20:30:00 quark its already been brought up
06 20:30:00 quark thsi dude I live with already tried to get funding for people riding horses to campus
06 20:32:00 tommost Seriously?
06 20:33:00 Morasique i wouldn't be surprised if they approved it
06 20:36:00 collinjc That's because it is something they can understand. Horses need posts and hay. Therefore, they require money. Now LUG is a totally different story.
06 20:38:00 tommost How many people have horses they could ride to campus?
06 20:39:00 collinjc Probably none.
06 20:39:00 auchter herniter
06 20:39:00 collinjc Oh, wait. Forgot Dr. Yoder. He almost certainly has one.
06 20:39:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~herniter/Vehicles/Grain%20Powered%20Vehicle/Pictures/October%202004/PA031103.JPG
06 20:40:00 tommost Ah, well, SGA doesn't have any responsibility to fund professors' equine habits.
06 20:40:00 auchter ``equine habits'' sounds horribly horribly wrong
06 20:40:00 tommost As it was intended to.
06 21:08:00 Morasique from ps: /usr/bin/../lib/../bin/wineserver
06 21:08:00 Morasique wtf
06 21:41:00 tommost Oh, sweet. BSD installsets are done downloading.
06 21:53:00 auchter tommost: for that crazy pda of yours?
06 21:53:00 quark would you bang tina fey?
06 21:54:00 quark i think i would
06 21:54:00 tommost Yes.
06 21:54:00 tommost quark: Wrong window.
06 21:54:00 quark lies
06 21:54:00 auchter #rhtinafey?
06 21:55:00 quark its a simple question
06 21:55:00 quark yes or no
06 21:55:00 tommost It appears that my CF slot is bad. :'(
06 21:56:00 tommost I'm going to have to switch my other system board into this case.
06 21:56:00 tommost It will be a PITA.
06 22:04:00 Morasique tommost: they have external readers
06 22:06:00 tommost That doesn't help with my MobilePro. I need both the inbuilt CF slot and the PCMCIA slot for network access.
06 22:06:00 tommost Besides, I wouldn't want to boot from an external reader even if it had a USB port.
06 22:12:00 quark how big is that thing?
06 22:12:00 quark like a nintendo ds or smaller?
06 22:12:00 quark i think i've seen it
06 22:12:00 tommost It's significantly larger.
06 22:12:00 quark oh
06 22:12:00 quark well that makes sense
06 22:12:00 quark I couldn't imagine something that small having pcmcia
06 22:12:00 tommost Indeed.
06 22:12:00 quark it would have looked sweet
06 22:13:00 quark to see a card sticking out of it that is 3/4 its size
07 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis so, I tried a spare power supply in that computer and it's doing the same thing... any other ideas on a computer randomly shutting off?
07 00:29:00 tommost It's broken.
07 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis It's not a heat issue, given the amount of cooling
07 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis well yes, I'm trying to fix that
07 00:30:00 tommost No, really *it's broken*.
07 00:30:00 tommost feels profound
07 00:31:00 ZetaSyanthis feels that tommost is an ass
07 00:31:00 ZetaSyanthis :)
07 00:31:00 tommost ;0
07 00:37:00 auchter german homework is entertaining
07 00:37:00 auchter ``Anne: Magst du kein Bier? Karin: Doch, ich mag Bier, aber heute darf ich keinen Alkohol trinken.''
07 00:40:00 Morasique that does look entertaining
07 00:40:00 Morasique ...
07 00:41:00 auchter it's entertaining because essentially everyone in this workbook comes across as an alcoholic
07 00:53:00 Morasique i searched for linux text to speech programs and couldn't figure out why i kept getting links to linux festivals
07 00:56:00 octavious haha
07 00:58:00 Morasique "Bugs: More than you can imagine"
07 00:58:00 Morasique awesome
07 01:03:00 auchter Morasique: yes, awesome does seem to have more bugs than i can imagine
07 01:04:00 Morasique it's a little depressing that i saw that coming. no love for awesome
07 10:23:00 Morasique this is a wonderful day. rise of nations works under wine
07 10:52:00 auchter http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7bscv/unix_russian_roulette/c0685wp
07 10:54:00 Morasique that is the best script ever
07 10:55:00 auchter my thoughts exactly
07 10:55:00 Morasique this is why we need a lug server
07 10:55:00 Morasique things like that
07 10:56:00 auchter things like that are the reason i'm not actually the administrator of any boxes but my own ;)
07 10:57:00 Morasique me neither; i'm still considering running it on my desktop
07 10:58:00 auchter the message to wall is just hilarious
07 10:58:00 auchter speaking of which, does wall still work on addiator?
07 10:59:00 Morasique i didn't know it ever did
07 10:59:00 auchter i did it once last year
07 10:59:00 Morasique hey, once again 100% of addiator's users are in lug
07 10:59:00 Morasique they should just give us root
07 11:00:00 Morasique hmm. it appears to; did you see the message i just sent?
07 11:00:00 auchter yep.
07 11:00:00 Morasique interesting. we should abuse that more often
07 16:03:00 shatly hi
07 16:04:00 shatly how has this channle been?
07 16:04:00 tommost Heeee's baaaaaack!
07 16:04:00 tommost hugs shatly
07 16:04:00 shatly hugs tommost
07 16:05:00 shatly uhmmm, i can not say i was epeting that
07 16:06:00 Morasique noah webster wanted to make it illegal to misspell words. sometimes i wish he'd succeeded
07 16:08:00 auchter he had a vested interested
07 16:08:00 auchter s/ed//
07 16:09:00 auchter the vest is different from a sweater
07 16:09:00 shatly as in baning me
07 16:09:00 tommost We never banned you...?
07 16:09:00 shatly the illgle to mispell words thingies
07 16:16:00 quark man
07 16:16:00 quark i think blogs killed the internet
07 16:16:00 quark and seo
07 16:17:00 shatly porn killed the tubes, and bloged helped
07 16:33:00 tommost Whoa... PyPy is 1.0. I had no idea.
07 16:39:00 shatly ki kleinjt
07 16:40:00 kleinjt shatly?
07 16:47:00 shatly kleinjt: i decided that it was time for a nick change after about 9 years
07 17:06:00 quark i dind't meant it was slow
07 17:09:00 Morasique fun fact: so far in gl285 this quarter we've read a quarter of a million words
07 17:12:00 ZetaSyanthis yikes
07 17:12:00 ZetaSyanthis what class is that?
07 17:13:00 ZetaSyanthis doesn't have all the number's memorized
07 17:13:00 ZetaSyanthis *numbers
07 17:17:00 Morasique "culture"
07 17:17:00 Morasique or something
07 17:18:00 Morasique we read essays every night and discuss them
07 17:27:00 auchter that sounds like a decent class
07 17:28:00 Morasique auchter: then i've confused you
07 17:29:00 auchter reading stuff and talking about it? how could that be bad?
07 17:30:00 Morasique it's boring, in a way i've never experienced before. it's so boring i sit in class and long to listen to you guys talk about robotics stuff
07 17:45:00 ferrelaj_laptop Anyone here an apache genius who might know why Apache wants to let me download my python scripts, not execute them?
07 17:46:00 andy753421 ferrelaj_laptop: what are you trying to use? e.g. mod_python, cgi, fastcgi, etc?
07 17:46:00 ferrelaj_laptop cgi
07 17:47:00 andy753421 where are the python files and how are they named?
07 17:48:00 ferrelaj_laptop I've had one in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and one in /var/www, both named pytest.py
07 17:49:00 ferrelaj_laptop both try download
07 17:49:00 andy753421 do you have a AddHandler for .py files?
07 17:49:00 andy753421 http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html
07 17:49:00 ferrelaj_laptop ya
07 17:49:00 andy753421 Options +ExecCGI?
07 17:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop yup
07 17:50:00 andy753421 check the error logs yet?
07 17:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop I did when I was getting an error
07 17:50:00 andy753421 and, do they download as the source code, or the output
07 17:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop source code
07 17:51:00 andy753421 do a `tail -f' on the access logs and the error logs and then restart the server and refresh the page
07 17:51:00 andy753421 you might get some warnings or something
07 17:51:00 andy753421 also, if you could post the apache config file it would be helpful
07 17:51:00 ferrelaj_laptop k, I'll do that
07 17:53:00 ferrelaj_laptop ooh, now I'm downloading the output of the script
07 17:54:00 ferrelaj_laptop Does that mean I'm missing a content-type?
07 17:54:00 andy753421 yes, are you using the python CGI modules?
07 17:54:00 ferrelaj_laptop ya?
07 17:55:00 ferrelaj_laptop s/\?//
07 17:55:00 andy753421 hmm, what's the url?
07 17:55:00 ferrelaj_laptop http://localhost/ for the page I'm using (not visible to exterior atm)
07 17:56:00 andy753421 try running `echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc server 80' and see if it's putting out any headers
07 17:57:00 andy753421 s/server/localhost and GET /your/path
07 18:00:00 ferrelaj_laptop echo -e "/cgi-bin/pytest.py / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc localhost 80
07 18:00:00 ferrelaj_laptop ?
07 18:00:00 ferrelaj_laptop gets me a 501
07 18:01:00 andy753421 you probably want:
07 18:01:00 andy753421 echo -e "GET /cgi-bin/pytest.py HTTP/1.0\n\n" | nc localhost 80
07 18:01:00 ferrelaj_laptop ah, much better
07 18:01:00 ferrelaj_laptop I do get headers
07 18:01:00 ferrelaj_laptop I think there's a typo in my output tho
07 18:02:00 andy753421 ok, either way, it sounds like a python-cgi problem then, which i don't know much about
07 18:02:00 ferrelaj_laptop thanks.
07 18:02:00 ferrelaj_laptop I think I got it fixed. :-)
07 18:03:00 andy753421 alright
07 18:03:00 ferrelaj_laptop Thanks much
07 18:45:00 Morasique google books is a wonderful thing. it always says i can only see a certain number of pages, but then i can usually scroll through the whole book without being stopped
07 21:36:00 jboticsource for the record, by default, McAfee has IRC blocked
07 21:37:00 auchter no good can come from irc
07 21:38:00 jboticsource except lug, the robotics team, and the politics channel
07 21:38:00 tommost And #rhcooking and #rhquasar.
07 21:38:00 jboticsource what is #rhquasar?
07 21:38:00 tommost Nothing to do with anything.
07 21:39:00 jboticsource i got banned real fast
07 21:40:00 tommost ;)
07 21:40:00 auchter csse232?
07 21:40:00 tommost Guess again.
07 21:40:00 auchter nope, i'm done guessing for the night
07 21:41:00 tommost Well, you were right the first time.
07 21:41:00 tommost auchter++
07 21:41:00 auchter as i had intended to be
07 22:00:00 jboticsource i am tempted to install ubuntu on the same partition as windows, but i dont feel safe with ntfs
07 22:03:00 Morasique you could install it on the same partition by overwriting the partition
07 22:03:00 jboticsource this is true, however i need windows for cad packages and such
07 22:21:00 jboticsource this amused me: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/linux-tshirt-size.jpg
07 23:15:00 tommost jboticsource++ for randomness.
07 23:20:00 jboticsource http://pics.nase-bohren.de/storming_redmond.gif
07 23:33:00 jboticsource auchter: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/chinauser.jpg
07 23:35:00 kleinjt now that is just an awesome idea
08 01:32:00 Morasique i love it: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680
08 01:32:00 tommost Yeah, I ran into that earlier.
08 01:32:00 tommost It may well beat the Debian SSL bug for stupidity.
08 01:33:00 tommost Also, first time I've encountered something non-braindead on ZDNet.
08 01:33:00 Morasique good, a new target for auchter
08 02:15:00 Morasique people smarter than me should post their .vimperatorrc's on the lug wiki
08 04:32:00 Morasique so apparently a recent portage change introduced a block and people are crippling their machines getting around it. i'm very glad i was motivated enough to google it instead of just doing what seemed logical
08 10:41:00 auchter Morasique: that block wouldn't happen to involve sys-libs/ss and e2fsprogs
08 10:47:00 ZetaSyanthis haha, wowzer... hyperthreading is returning in nehelem, intel's newest architecture
08 10:47:00 ZetaSyanthis They have a demo of a dual proc system that shows 16 "cores" in windows task manager, which just looks silly
08 10:50:00 ZetaSyanthis wonders how hyperthreading and 256k l2 caches can possibly get along
08 10:50:00 auchter i wonder how it compares to sun's niagara
08 10:52:00 ZetaSyanthis Wow, I forgot how bizarre that chip was
08 10:53:00 auchter 8 cores, each supporting 8 threads + a hypervisor = 64 operating systems running on one chip
08 10:53:00 ZetaSyanthis 16K L1, 3M L2
08 10:53:00 ZetaSyanthis no L3
08 10:55:00 ZetaSyanthis Nehalem has 64K L1, 256K L2, shared 8M L3
08 10:55:00 ZetaSyanthis should be interesting to how that works out
08 12:12:00 ZetaSyanthis as a random thought, you know you're in senior design when you're up all night on a friday working >.<
08 12:31:00 tommost What's your project?
08 12:46:00 Morasique anybody here use paludis?
08 12:55:00 ZetaSyanthis tommost, the international robotics one
08 12:56:00 tommost Oh, yes.
08 12:56:00 tommost The one with the ridiculous motors.
08 12:56:00 tommost How's that going?
08 12:56:00 ZetaSyanthis it's awesome, but has completely taken over my life
08 12:56:00 ZetaSyanthis ^ pretty much that
08 13:02:00 tommost Yeah, robots are good at that.
08 13:03:00 quark ZetaSyanthis: did you go to korea?
08 13:04:00 ZetaSyanthis quark: Not yet, but it's not looking good
08 13:04:00 quark oh
08 13:04:00 ZetaSyanthis The school on that end has only secured funding for one of the 5 of us to go
08 13:04:00 quark somone I live with is working on a robot for his senior project
08 13:04:00 ZetaSyanthis due to the crazy economics over there atm
08 13:04:00 quark and he went to korea
08 13:04:00 quark his whole team got to go
08 13:04:00 ZetaSyanthis Well, we went at the start of september
08 13:05:00 ZetaSyanthis Our presentation was to be at the beginning of december over there
08 13:05:00 ZetaSyanthis But that's kinda fallen through now
08 13:06:00 ZetaSyanthis Samsung's profits have dropped 44% this last quarter
08 13:06:00 ZetaSyanthis I can't even imagine what they does to them economically
08 13:06:00 ZetaSyanthis As that company is about 60% of their economy
08 13:07:00 ZetaSyanthis (Hyundai is the other 40%)
08 13:07:00 quark ZetaSyanthis: yeah, do you know sam hawkins?
08 13:07:00 ZetaSyanthis Yes, he's on my team
08 13:07:00 quark yeah
08 13:08:00 quark wait weere you the dude in the lab last night?
08 13:08:00 quark when sam came in?
08 13:08:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't think so
08 13:08:00 quark oh
08 13:09:00 ZetaSyanthis I was working on a DSP lab in B200 for some of the evening too
08 13:09:00 quark i'm going to miss sam
08 13:10:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't know him that well except for this project, so I can't say much other than he works hard
08 13:13:00 quark yeah
08 14:01:00 auchter using fetchmail/maildrop/mutt is so much nicer than thunderbird
08 14:02:00 auchter i added another notification script to the wiki, as i didn't have ruby installed
08 14:05:00 andy753421 inotifywait?
08 14:06:00 auchter yeah, it's pretty cool. in that case it watches the directories for file creation events, then outputs the filename that was created
08 14:07:00 andy753421 nice,
08 14:07:00 andy753421 also, it would make a lot more sense to just have maildrop do an xfilter to spawn the dialog
08 14:08:00 auchter well, wouldn't the script have to output the exact message again?
08 14:08:00 quark so who has an opensolaris box?
08 14:08:00 andy753421 hm.. maybe
08 14:16:00 auchter quark: there was an opensolaris dvd on the free stuff table yesterday
08 14:17:00 quark i just want a shell
08 14:17:00 quark so I can poke around
08 14:17:00 quark but I can't find anyone that runs one
08 14:17:00 auchter opensolaris isn't really very interesting. plan9 is considerably more interesting
08 14:21:00 quark really?
08 14:21:00 quark you guys have a plan9 box don't you
08 14:21:00 quark is it sysv?
08 14:21:00 quark i just want to get on a sysv box for some reason
08 14:22:00 auchter we've got two plan9 boxes running, i can give you an account if you're interested
08 14:22:00 auchter and plan9 is not unix
08 14:22:00 quark auchter: yeah dude hook it up
08 14:22:00 quark yeah I'm reading about it right now
08 14:22:00 auchter what do you want your username to be?
08 14:22:00 quark umm
08 14:22:00 quark quark
08 14:23:00 auchter ok
08 14:30:00 auchter quark: the server's name is 9.lug.rose-hulman.edu
08 14:30:00 quark thanks
08 14:31:00 auchter use drawterm to connect (http://swtch.com/drawterm)
08 14:31:00 quark not ssh?
08 14:31:00 auchter you can only access it on campus, as it's in the CS lab
08 14:31:00 quark oh
08 14:31:00 auchter no, it doesn't have an ssh daemon
08 14:31:00 quark well then I'll do it later
08 14:31:00 auchter plan9's worthless from the commandline
08 14:31:00 auchter you can also run drawterm on addiator, that's what i do from off campus
08 14:31:00 quark oh
08 14:32:00 quark how do you do that?
08 14:32:00 auchter the command to connect is: drawterm -a 9.lug.rose-hulman.edu -c 9.lug.rose-hulman.edu
08 14:32:00 auchter uh, just run drawterm on addiator over ssh with x-forwarding
08 14:32:00 quark so does it forward some sort of windowing system?
08 14:32:00 auchter yes
08 14:32:00 quark yeah
08 14:32:00 auchter drawterm essentially emulates a plan9 terminal
08 14:32:00 quark meh I haven't set up X forwarding in a long time
08 14:32:00 auchter ssh -Y addiator
08 14:33:00 quark really?
08 14:33:00 quark hmm
08 14:33:00 quark when I did it a long time ago i thought it was harder
08 14:33:00 auchter nope
08 14:33:00 quark but I'm probably thinking of something else
08 14:33:00 quark where is drawterm located?
08 14:35:00 auchter /scratch/apps/drawterm
08 14:35:00 auchter also, you'll want to run /sys/lib/newuser on first login
08 14:36:00 auchter i need to create a page on the wikifor this at some point
08 14:36:00 quark how do you specify a different login with drawterm
08 14:37:00 quark there doesn't seem to be a helpfile
08 14:38:00 auchter -u username
08 14:39:00 quark this is just a command line though?
08 14:39:00 auchter until you run /sys/lib/newuser, yes
08 14:39:00 quark oh
08 14:41:00 andy753421 auchter: i think i like you version better
08 14:41:00 andy753421 also, you can use reformail to simplify the sed statements
08 14:42:00 auchter oh cool, i didn't know about that
08 14:44:00 andy753421 i need to play with bootchart sometime
08 14:45:00 andy753421 and then rewrite all my scripts in C
08 14:45:00 auchter reformail actually only slightly simplifies the sed statements
08 14:46:00 auchter the bulk of that first one is converting ``"Auchter, Michael M" <auchtemm@rose-hulman.edu>'' to ``Michael M Auchter''
08 14:46:00 andy753421 yea, i did `sed 's/<.*>//'' and just ignored the rest
08 14:46:00 auchter and now i wish i hadn't copied that, as i'm sure to get copious amount of spam now.
08 14:46:00 andy753421 hehe, i can change the log if you would like
08 14:47:00 auchter eh, it doesn't matter
08 15:26:00 andy753421 apparently someone decided that benchmarking software should use java
08 15:26:00 andy753421 stupid bootchart
08 15:39:00 Morasique @andy753421> hehe, i can change the log if you would like
08 15:39:00 Morasique scary thought
08 15:48:00 andy753421 what thought... muhahaha
08 15:50:00 andy753421 i wonder if there's an apache rule to rewrite email addresses in webpages
08 23:39:00 auchter it kind of pains me, but i'm installing qt4 on my server.
08 23:40:00 tommost Booo.
08 23:40:00 tommost Why on Earth?
08 23:40:00 auchter for musicbrainz picard
09 00:14:00 auchter i'm hoping i'll be able to organize my classical collection at last
09 00:15:00 ZetaSyanthis Lemme know how that works out for ya
09 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis I have lots of music missing tags as well
09 00:17:00 auchter yeah, i've just been accepting the first cddb result when ripping, which is terribly inconsistence
09 00:17:00 auchter s/ce/t
09 00:17:00 ZetaSyanthis yeesh
09 00:18:00 ZetaSyanthis didn't they go offline?
09 00:18:00 auchter s/cddb/freedb/
09 00:18:00 ZetaSyanthis ah, rgr
09 00:31:00 ZetaSyanthis So say I hypothetically compiled a kernel in gentoo without LVM and used LVM on the drives... can I just recompile the kernel again and will it overwrite what's there?
09 00:31:00 ZetaSyanthis is not very familiar with how gentoo may do things
09 00:32:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: just compile another kernel and boot that instead
09 00:33:00 ZetaSyanthis rgr
09 00:33:00 ZetaSyanthis Finally getting my IBM up and running
09 00:33:00 auchter ah, cool
09 00:33:00 ZetaSyanthis gentoo used to not boot on it, strangely enough
09 00:33:00 auchter that's the quad proc one, right?
09 00:33:00 ZetaSyanthis they must've gotten something working better
09 00:33:00 ZetaSyanthis yes
09 00:33:00 ZetaSyanthis 4x 700Mhz P3 Xeon
09 00:34:00 auchter ah, cool
09 00:34:00 ZetaSyanthis I wish I could find cheap ram for it
09 00:34:00 auchter registered ECC?
09 00:34:00 ZetaSyanthis even at PC133, a 16GB network ramdisk would be sweet, as that'd saturate gigabit
09 00:34:00 ZetaSyanthis yes
09 00:34:00 ZetaSyanthis it's horribly expensive
09 00:34:00 ZetaSyanthis since it's now old as hell
09 00:35:00 auchter i thoguht it remembered it being not so bad
09 00:35:00 auchter so you have gentoo on it now?
09 00:35:00 ZetaSyanthis well, the computer cost me $120 so far
09 00:36:00 ZetaSyanthis including the shipping
09 00:36:00 ZetaSyanthis At 60/stick for 512 ram...
09 00:36:00 ZetaSyanthis which is the lowest price I've seen anywhere
09 00:36:00 ZetaSyanthis Yeah
09 00:37:00 auchter i see
09 00:37:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm probably going to end up setting it up as an svn frontend for a network drive on another comp, as well as possibly a loadbalancer and distcc box
09 00:38:00 auchter 750MHz won't be much help for distcc
09 00:38:00 ZetaSyanthis It's only got 2x 9GB 10krpm scsi drives
09 00:38:00 ZetaSyanthis eh, every little bit helps
09 00:39:00 ZetaSyanthis I'd like to see if I can get it converting my videos to h.264 as well
09 00:39:00 ZetaSyanthis I forget what program now, but one of the converters has a multi-machine mode
09 00:39:00 auchter if you're interested, i've got ~15 9.1GB 10k scsi hdds
09 00:39:00 ZetaSyanthis right now my shows and movies are in all sorts of codecs
09 00:39:00 ZetaSyanthis eh, I don't really need 'em
09 00:40:00 ZetaSyanthis I've set this up in raid 1 for now
09 00:40:00 tommost Transcoding things seems like a bad idea. You'd loose a ton of quality encoding the encoding artifacts.
09 00:40:00 auchter indeed
09 00:41:00 auchter waits for a suitale lossless video codec
09 00:41:00 ZetaSyanthis haha
09 00:41:00 auchter also, i want a bloody 10-bit greyscale monitor
09 00:41:00 ZetaSyanthis maybe once we hit petabytes :P
09 00:41:00 auchter and for studios to release in 10-bit black and white blu-rays
09 00:41:00 ZetaSyanthis h.264 is damned nice for now though
09 00:41:00 auchter yep
09 00:41:00 auchter the majority of films are in black and white anyway
09 00:42:00 auchter i don't know why they waste time duplicating the 8-bit value three times
09 00:42:00 ZetaSyanthis Also, tommost, the reasoning is that for some of my older stuff I'm having trouble finding codecs
09 00:44:00 tommost Wouldn't it just be easier to reacquire the stuff? Libraries are awesome for DVDs.
09 00:46:00 ZetaSyanthis Eh, no...
09 00:46:00 ZetaSyanthis I have over a terabyte of stuff
09 00:46:00 ZetaSyanthis at mostly 350MB / episode or 700MB / movie
09 00:47:00 ZetaSyanthis I want to set it up to run semi-automatically and leave it to just heat my apartment for the winter
09 00:47:00 ZetaSyanthis while it works for forever and ever
09 00:58:00 auchter yep, i'm thinking of bringing my SGI octane back for the winter
09 00:59:00 auchter my room gets astoundingly cold
09 00:59:00 auchter most of our electricity costs go to heating our massive living room to a suitable temperature, which is unfortunate
09 00:59:00 auchter i'm thinking of putting thermocouples in the bedrooms of my apartment, and a servo to turn on the actual heat
09 01:00:00 auchter then seal the living room/kitchen/bathrooms off from the heat completely
09 01:03:00 ZetaSyanthis That's one way to do it O.o
09 01:04:00 ZetaSyanthis I can prob keep heat off entirely and have my room be comfy... I've got a laptop, Core 2 Quadro, P4, and that IBM
09 01:04:00 ZetaSyanthis If I were in a studio, I bet that'd be sufficient
09 01:04:00 ZetaSyanthis running BOINC on all, obv.
09 01:05:00 auchter my bed is right next to the window, which is proving to be troublesome
09 01:05:00 auchter i think i'm going to get some insulation for it at some point
09 01:05:00 ZetaSyanthis Yeah, I dislike the floor-to-ceiling windows in the master bedrooms
09 01:06:00 ZetaSyanthis If you have it open during the transitions, it freezes feet and lets random animals look in
09 01:06:00 auchter unfortuantely i don't have that problem
09 01:11:00 ZetaSyanthis Hmm, didn't fix my kernel problem, sadly
09 01:11:00 ZetaSyanthis must've missed an option
09 01:11:00 ZetaSyanthis again
09 01:14:00 ZetaSyanthis auchter, any ideas on why it wouldn't be able to mount the root fs? it's on a software raid1, but LVM is enabled in the kernel, etc
09 01:14:00 auchter LVM doesn't have much to do with software raid
09 01:14:00 auchter do you have all the raid stuff in the kernel?
09 01:14:00 ZetaSyanthis Yes
09 01:15:00 ZetaSyanthis The reboot time on this thing is a bit of a bitch :/
09 01:15:00 ZetaSyanthis like 7 minutes
09 01:51:00 ZetaSyanthis crap
09 01:51:00 ZetaSyanthis I forgot to swap the partion types to linux raid autodetect
09 01:51:00 ZetaSyanthis well, that was a fun waste of time
09 01:54:00 ZetaSyanthis I don't suppose I can swap those types w/o reformatting
09 02:11:00 Morasique i upgraded to xulrunner 1.9 and now firefox can't visit secure websites. :'(
09 02:12:00 Morasique hmm. and i can't read e-mail
09 02:12:00 Morasique i should fix this
09 02:53:00 Morasique haha! secure websites ftw
09 02:54:00 Morasique i have 1300 e-mails in my inbox. i should do something about that
09 04:59:00 Morasique from a 221 submission: "aproxamintly".i'm impressed
09 10:30:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: ah yes, i did that the first time i set up md under linux
09 10:30:00 auchter i just swapped the types and it worked
09 13:01:00 Morasique http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/hardware/SensorManager.html#GRAVITY_DEATH_STAR_I
09 13:51:00 Morasique one of the 221 problems was to write factorial recursively, the grading instructions say "extra credit if they used BigInteger instead of int". i think i refuse to give extra credit for that
09 13:51:00 andy753421 why?
09 13:52:00 Morasique because there's no context that would tell them using biginteger would get points, i hate when professors do that
09 13:52:00 andy753421 oh, ok
09 13:52:00 andy753421 did the professor mention that in class or anythign?
09 13:53:00 Morasique possibly. i'll see if anybody actually did it, i imagine they didn't
09 14:31:00 Morasique this person used a switch block with one case. apparently they don't teach "if" in 221
09 14:59:00 auchter switches win, especially for checking return conditions
09 15:02:00 Morasique how can a 1-case switch block possibly be faster than an if
09 16:34:00 Morasique i think this is the first time i've ever seen somebody use a double as a boolean. "protected double shrinkorgrow;//-.1=shrink,.1=grow"
09 16:50:00 Morasique this person imported com.sun.org.apache.bcel.internal.generic.NEW. i can't wait to see why
09 16:50:00 auchter shudders at seeing BCEL
09 16:51:00 andy753421 wait, com.sun.apache.org?
09 16:52:00 Morasique org.apache, but otherwise yes
09 16:54:00 andy753421 what does that even mean
09 16:54:00 Morasique i try not to ask too many questions
09 16:54:00 auchter here's my best guess
09 16:55:00 auchter they're coding along, and are getting pretty mad at this comment
09 16:55:00 auchter so, naturally, the turn on caps lock
09 16:55:00 auchter the angry comment ends, and they start doing something dumb like BIGINTEGER BIGINT = NEW BIGINTEGER();
09 16:55:00 auchter eclipse gets all angry at them, and helpfully suggests to import NEW from com.sun.org.apache.bcel.internal.generic.
09 16:56:00 auchter obviously thought shouldn't be involved in programming, clicking randomly in eclipse is easier
09 16:56:00 auchter so, the decision is made to import NEW.
09 16:57:00 andy753421 that was an impressive rant
09 16:57:00 auchter i was just presenting a possible scenario
09 16:59:00 andy753421 i hate typing after being outside and having my hands get cold..
09 16:59:00 auchter yep. i tend to just submerge them in hot water for a minute until feeling returns
09 18:11:00 auchter
09 18:11:00 tommost Fascinating.
09 18:18:00 Morasique tommost: it was in a secret code
09 18:23:00 povilus isent : float v[][]; a valid way to crate a pointer to an array
09 18:23:00 povilus ?
09 18:25:00 povilus which is followed by http://dpaste.com/89677/
09 18:25:00 povilus shouldent that work?
09 18:27:00 auchter povilus: no, i don't think that's valid
09 18:27:00 auchter use float **v;
09 18:28:00 povilus thanx
09 18:28:00 povilus that works but segfaults
09 18:30:00 andy753421 i think that's valid with gcc
09 18:31:00 auchter i thought you could only do that if you were initializing the array in the definition
09 18:32:00 andy753421 isn't that what he's doing?
09 18:33:00 povilus its all screwie
09 18:33:00 auchter well, him saying ``float v[][];'' let me to think otherwise
09 18:34:00 andy753421 well, i assume v is a float **, which should get assigned the address of the array
09 19:08:00 tommost Morasique: BigInteger was mentioned in class when I took 221.
09 19:17:00 auchter sed 's|<[^>]*>| |g'
09 19:17:00 auchter my new favorite docx reader.
09 19:18:00 tommost Hehe.
09 19:18:00 andy753421 don't you have to unzip it first?
09 19:18:00 auchter yep
09 19:23:00 Morasique auchter: the perl script somebody mentioned in here a while ago works well, i use it all the time
09 19:24:00 auchter hmm, i must have missed that
09 19:26:00 Morasique i think i use this: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#line-4640
09 20:39:00 auchter http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=891204
09 21:13:00 Morasique why do people feel the need to do if(foo) {bar;} else {/* do nothing */} ? i see it all the time, i'm starting to wonder if we're teaching it
09 21:15:00 auchter even more fun is when you see: if (foo) { /* do nothing */ } else { bar; }
09 21:17:00 Morasique i'm going to start scattering if(foo) {/* do nothing */} else {/* do nothing */} throughout my senior project code
09 21:17:00 Morasique i'll have to come up with a list of entertaining conditions to check
09 21:17:00 auchter bonus: make foo actually do something
09 21:18:00 auchter side effects rock
09 21:20:00 tommost Extra bonus: you'll need to add useless boolean return values to all your methods because it's Java.
09 21:21:00 Morasique i'll write a functor that wraps void methods to make boolean ones instead
09 21:21:00 auchter Morasique--
09 21:21:00 auchter erm, sorry about that, it's a reflex when i see that word. Morasique++
09 21:22:00 Morasique yay functors! first-class functions are for the weak
09 22:27:00 auchter i still remember how incredulous i was when matt explained functors in 221
09 22:29:00 auchter also, who's presenting this week?
09 22:39:00 Morasique i could present on functors
09 23:52:00 ZetaSyanthis Hmm, I need to figured out why my connection keeps dropping randomly
09 23:52:00 ZetaSyanthis *figure
09 23:52:00 Morasique that'd be nice
09 23:55:00 ZetaSyanthis I think it's just IRC, because it happens when I'm playing games and I never drop those
09 23:55:00 ZetaSyanthis wonder if it's a pidgin thing
09 23:55:00 tommost No, can't be Pidgin. It's rock solid for me.
09 23:55:00 auchter oh, you're using pidgin?
09 23:55:00 auchter doesn't that use rfc1149?
09 23:56:00 tommost Maybe your ISP doesn't like IRC.
09 23:56:00 ZetaSyanthis auchter and I use the same ISP, I believe
09 23:56:00 ZetaSyanthis as does povilusr
09 23:56:00 ZetaSyanthis So it's not that
09 23:57:00 ZetaSyanthis perhaps I should update pidgin and see if that helps
09 23:57:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: yeah, but i have business cable with a static ip
09 23:57:00 ZetaSyanthis he doesn't
09 23:57:00 auchter also, i run my irc client on campus
09 23:58:00 ZetaSyanthis you have a permanent remote connection to campus for the purpose of IRC?
09 23:58:00 tommost He has screen.
09 23:58:00 ZetaSyanthis ah, true
09 23:58:00 ZetaSyanthis needs to learn how to use that at some point
09 23:59:00 ZetaSyanthis brb
09 23:59:00 auchter also, not using windows would probably help
10 00:00:00 tommost Oh, Windows? Well, there's your problem.
10 00:03:00 ZetaSyanthis Perhaps this update of pidgin will fix it... was using 2.4.3 before
10 00:03:00 ZetaSyanthis 2.5.something is now out
10 00:05:00 Morasique auchter: i just found an if(foo) {/* do nothing */} else {bar;}. i'm very sad now
10 00:08:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, i consider that far worse as it implies a deep misunderstanding of boolean logic
10 00:10:00 Morasique it's still not as bad as: http://pastebin.com/m76426415
10 00:12:00 auchter what is the actual result of that?
10 00:12:00 andy753421 paused = true?
10 00:12:00 andy753421 oh wait, no
10 00:12:00 andy753421 paused = !paused
10 00:12:00 auchter of course, that's what it should be
10 00:13:00 auchter i'm interested if java breaks the world
10 00:13:00 andy753421 i could break on a race condition
10 00:14:00 Morasique java doesn't catch it, it's dead code detector is really primitive
10 00:14:00 Morasique s/it's/its/
10 00:15:00 andy753421 i wonder if GCC will optimize that..
10 00:15:00 Morasique i wonder how it generates the bytecode for that, if a race condition could actually slip through. i assume probably not, it's probably just a conditional jump
10 00:15:00 Morasique but it is java
10 00:15:00 andy753421 technically, is it really dead code?
10 00:16:00 andy753421 well if paused gets set to true after the if(paused) test and before the else if(!paused) test..
10 00:17:00 auchter gcc catches it with -O[123]
10 00:17:00 andy753421 i should write some code that relies on that race and see if I can break gcc -O1 :)
10 00:19:00 Morasique that's what i was saying, but i'm pretty sure java would just generate the bytecode for one conditional jump, it wouldn't recheck the condition again
10 00:19:00 Morasique i'm not sure what gcc does
10 00:20:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/WuZnLh55.html :)
10 00:22:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/vDfjO587.html
10 00:22:00 auchter wishes he had his octane or mips-gcc installed so he could actually parse that
10 00:23:00 Morasique oh, i disassembled the java class, it does actually check twice. i take back my mocking of that 221 student, clearly he was just being thorough :)
10 00:24:00 Morasique auchter: that makes me sad
10 00:25:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m66d4f25
10 00:25:00 Morasique much simpler
10 00:25:00 auchter Morasique: notice the lack of any conditional statements in the gcc -O output...
10 00:26:00 Morasique bah. optimization is for lesser languages
10 00:26:00 andy753421 i should use this somewhere: http://rafb.net/p/7JXaon35.html
10 00:28:00 auchter ouch
10 05:11:00 Morasique some of the vimperator hotkeys can't possibly save anyone time. for example, switching tabs with C-^
10 09:11:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/cujqQx93.html
10 09:20:00 ZetaSyanthis hah
10 09:21:00 ZetaSyanthis so true
10 09:29:00 auchter hah, so we're going over mosfet biasing in class
10 09:30:00 auchter we get to an equation and my prof says ``this is not a 2, this is the symbol for a partial derivative. you can't cancel this. i've seen people try to cancel this on the exams.''
10 09:30:00 auchter that's depressing
10 10:21:00 Morasique auchter: http://mrozekma.com/eq.jpg
10 11:49:00 tommost What are we? A tech support department?
10 11:49:00 tommost The "fix our web site for us" messages are bad enough, but this? This is insulting.
10 11:52:00 auchter Morasique: amazing
10 11:53:00 Morasique tommost: wow. somebody should tell him about iait
10 11:53:00 auchter what was this?
10 11:53:00 Morasique all cs/se: "Frank Guthrie, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry, would like someone to help him with Microsoft Office 2007. If you're interested please contact him at 877-4982."
10 11:54:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/89807/
10 11:54:00 Morasique or that
10 11:54:00 Morasique tommost: you said in 333 lines what i said in 1. i'm concerned
10 11:54:00 auchter 2 333 * == 666. coincidence?
10 11:55:00 tommost What concerns me is that that e-mail apparently has an image attachment.
10 11:55:00 Morasique yeah, i didn't notice that
10 11:55:00 Morasique odd
10 11:55:00 Morasique oh, there's a background
10 11:55:00 Morasique it's faint
10 11:55:00 tommost Wow.
10 13:21:00 tommost My computer refuses to see my keyboard. :(
10 13:21:00 jboticsource but u can type anyway :P
10 13:21:00 tommost My Bluetooth keyboard.
10 13:42:00 tommost Having two monitors merely serves to emphasize how pathetically dark my laptop's display is. :'(
10 14:24:00 andy753421 wow, we have tryouts for who gets to be librarian?
10 14:25:00 auchter we apparently have data spread across three different websites, too: banner, sharepoint, and angel
10 14:26:00 tommost Score!
10 15:04:00 Morasique in AI we're learning about "catastrophic forgetting". not a word pair i expected to ever hear
10 15:08:00 Morasique "A set of keys were found in the Skinner lot yesterday". i'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe they belong to somebody who lives in skinner
10 15:36:00 Morasique auchter: damn you and your rc scripts
10 15:36:00 auchter hm?
10 15:37:00 tommost Indeed.
10 15:37:00 tommost auchter: NOONE ELSE HAS RC!!!
10 15:37:00 andy753421 ... it's not that hard to convert rc -> bash
10 15:37:00 auchter tommost: NO ONE ELSE HAS LINUX!!!
10 15:37:00 auchter see, just as valid.
10 15:38:00 tommost |Linux users| >> |rc users| But I was joking, anyway.
10 15:39:00 auchter really, i don't see the opposition to installing rc
10 15:39:00 auchter it's not terribly difficult
10 15:39:00 Morasique i don't want to learn it
10 15:40:00 auchter and i don't want to learn bash, so i write stuff that i use in rc
10 15:40:00 Morasique i was answering your "i don't see the opposite to installing rc"
10 15:40:00 Morasique that's my opposition
10 15:41:00 auchter what does learning rc have to do with installing it?
10 15:41:00 auchter i have python installed, i sure don't know how to program in it
10 15:42:00 Morasique i guess that's true
10 15:46:00 tommost What is "the Plan 9 image format"?
10 15:50:00 auchter image(7), i think
10 15:50:00 tommost Ah, thanks.
10 15:54:00 auchter wow.
10 15:54:00 tommost The duplicate e-mail?
10 15:55:00 auchter yep, that's sad
10 15:55:00 tommost How big was the attachment?
10 15:55:00 auchter 1.1M docx
10 15:55:00 tommost Hehe.
10 16:06:00 tommost Oh, glorious p9p compilation warnings.
10 16:21:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/89873/
10 16:26:00 Morasique the formatting on this docx is atrocious
10 16:27:00 tommost In Word, or when the tags are stripped? ;)
10 16:28:00 Morasique i actually originally tried just the text, but then it's pretty much the same as the e-mail
10 16:28:00 auchter yay, p9p
10 16:28:00 auchter see, that wasn't so bad, was it?
10 16:28:00 tommost The compilation warnings were pretty dire.
10 16:29:00 auchter blame gcc
10 17:10:00 Morasique the colors in this e-mail are hysterical; i think they think we're five
10 17:11:00 tommost Someone needs to tell them that doing a contest like that 10th week is a stupid idea.
10 17:16:00 auchter i love this mime type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document
10 17:21:00 tommost Heh, yes, especially the "vnd.open" bit.
10 20:07:00 auchter unlogged/offtopic channel: #rhnoise
10 20:10:00 Morasique andy753421: you suck
10 20:10:00 Morasique no noise for you
10 20:14:00 andy753421 $ cat /dev/urandom
10 20:14:00 tommost andy753421: I got there first.l
10 20:14:00 Morasique tommost is currently doing just that
10 20:15:00 andy753421 has he gotten yelled at by freenode ops yet?
10 20:15:00 Morasique no; do they get mad about that sort of thing?
10 20:15:00 andy753421 well, if you flood to much i'm sure they will
10 20:15:00 Morasique somehow it turned the background of part of the text red, i should figure out how that happened
10 20:17:00 tommost It was $ head /dev/urandom, actually.
10 20:17:00 Morasique far less fun
10 20:43:00 auchter i really wish there was a sane way of tunneling the lmlicense stuff over ssh
10 20:43:00 auchter hell, s/sane //
10 21:15:00 tommost_table Well, that was crazy.
10 21:15:00 tommost_table My tablet doesn't seem to have any way to switch between X forwarded windows. :(
10 21:16:00 auchter obviously you jut need to xforward compiz
10 21:16:00 tommost That would be awesome.
10 21:16:00 tommost I may have to settle for VNC, though.
10 21:17:00 Morasique no. that would be compiz
10 21:17:00 Morasique amuses himself
10 21:17:00 tommost Morasique++
10 21:19:00 Morasique i need multiple monitors built into my laptop. they should just spring out in all directions from the main screen
10 21:21:00 tommost Indeed.
10 21:21:00 tommost Of course, the monitor on my laptop is just shameful, so I'd settle for a different laptop and a nice desktop.
10 21:22:00 Morasique i've been watching iron man; it makes me hate my computer
10 21:25:00 tommost My tablet would be so much more useful if it would connect to RHIT-1X. :/
10 21:25:00 quark doesn't support wpa?
10 21:25:00 quark thats the problem with my ds
10 21:26:00 auchter obviously lug needs to blanket the campus is open wifi
10 21:26:00 quark yes
10 21:26:00 tommost Yes.
10 21:26:00 tommost Alternatively, I could carry around an access point with me.
10 21:27:00 quark i've tried that
10 21:27:00 tommost That would also solve my laptop problems. ;)
10 21:27:00 quark with my atheros card
10 21:27:00 auchter wpa<->unecrypted bridge
10 21:27:00 auchter that'd be rather easy to do.
10 21:27:00 quark mhmm
10 21:27:00 quark wlanconif
10 21:27:00 quark wlanconfig
10 21:27:00 auchter i've got a soekris net4521 in my closet doing nothing right now...
10 21:28:00 auchter all it needs is a wifi card capable of wpa
11 01:19:00 Morasique hugs luglog
11 01:19:00 Morasique ignores auchter
11 11:13:00 andy753421 Intellectual property law panel?
11 11:14:00 andy753421 who wants to show up dressed as St. IGNUcius?
11 11:14:00 auchter i don't know if anyone could pull off the look
11 11:16:00 andy753421 i like that the `Editor wars' page on wikipedia uses the `Military Conflicts' infobox
11 11:18:00 auchter hehe ``Causualties and losses''
11 11:22:00 auchter ``Frequently, at some point in the discussion, someone will point out that ed is the standard text editor''
11 11:22:00 auchter damn right it is, just ask emacs on rt-black
11 11:54:00 tommost Aww, you changed it?
11 11:54:00 tommost I was so fond of sl.
11 15:40:00 Morasique http://www.laughitout.com/2008/11/one-sunny-day-in-2009.html
11 15:40:00 Morasique gah. wrong channel
11 15:40:00 Morasique /retract
11 17:04:00 auchter anyone planning on going to that steanography presentation?
11 17:17:00 Morasique did we get an e-mail about it?
11 17:19:00 auchter odd, it was only sent to cpes
11 17:20:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/4KY9dm48.html
11 17:26:00 Morasique i would but i'm busy
11 17:26:00 Morasique plus they apparently don't want cses. jerks
11 18:33:00 auchter so, this presentation has so far consisted of me starting at the windows pipe screen saver for five minutes. awesome.
11 18:35:00 Morasique auchter: it is a pretty sweet screensaver
11 18:36:00 auchter especially when the teapots appear
11 20:12:00 quark hey
11 20:13:00 quark tommost_xpvm: how do you cast a string as an int in python?
11 20:13:00 tommost "cast" is the wrong term. But you can use int() or long() for that.
11 20:13:00 quark yeaj
11 20:13:00 quark it was brian's question
11 20:14:00 tommost_xpvm chr()/ord() might also be what you're looking for.
11 20:16:00 Morasique auchter: how was that presentation?
11 20:16:00 auchter Morasique: pretty interesting
11 20:16:00 Morasique damn
11 20:35:00 quark is there something else I have to add to my xorg.conf to get my scrollbar on my touchpad to work besides Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" ?
11 20:58:00 tommost_xpvm Xilinx synthesis is so freaking slow...
11 21:00:00 tommost_xpvm Hmm, apparently my VM is running without the virtualization CPU extensions.
11 21:32:00 auchter ah, here it is: Zero is greater than minus zero, but don't ask by how much. -6600 ref. manual
11 21:36:00 Morasique odd
11 22:23:00 auchter http://www.google.org/flutrends/
11 22:23:00 Morasique that's mildly scary
11 22:23:00 auchter does google predict the flu trends, or do they cause the flu trends?
11 22:26:00 tommost gooogle ...dot org?
11 22:26:00 auchter the militant^Wphilanthropic wing, apparently
11 23:31:00 Morasique awesome: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
12 00:24:00 tommost See what you're missing out on? http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/faces.png
12 00:24:00 Morasique what is this?
12 00:25:00 tommost What happens when Jon listens to music.
12 00:26:00 kleinjt Humppa music, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fFVW2AA6ID4 is an excellent example
12 00:27:00 kleinjt It makes great coding music
12 00:29:00 auchter everyone's missing out on #rhnoise :(
12 00:29:00 Morasique i mean #rhquasar
12 00:29:00 Morasique it seems identical to #rhnoise
12 00:29:00 tommost No, #rhnoise is lame.
12 00:29:00 kleinjt #rhquasar ftw
12 00:32:00 kleinjt http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QgoZ7hNNY0M&NR=1 <-- another good sample. I used to have several cds, but I've misplaced them. Now I'm left with only one.
12 00:32:00 Morasique this defines what #rhnoise is for
12 00:32:00 Morasique literally in this case
12 00:33:00 kleinjt clearly this is #rhlug-worthy. OpenBSD developers have been applying humppa music to create better code for years
12 00:33:00 Morasique er. i would look into #rhquasar, but i appear to be banned. that makes sense
12 00:34:00 tommost You patronize channels as seedy as #rhnoise. We don't want you.
12 00:35:00 auchter tommost: you'd appreciate the topic of #rhnoise
12 00:36:00 tommost I refuse to succumb to your temptations, foul beast!
12 00:36:00 auchter Today's "Python or Noise" challange: pi_3o2 = 3 * pi / 2
12 00:37:00 Morasique seedy? it's me, ZetaSyanthis and aucht....never mind
12 00:40:00 quark yoyo hoho
12 00:41:00 Morasique ...right
12 00:43:00 quark ...yeah
12 00:43:00 quark you are super fun
12 00:43:00 tommost quark: Where are my roommates?
12 00:43:00 Morasique thanks!
12 00:43:00 quark we are all in the cslab
12 00:43:00 quark they won't be back for a while if you wanna beat it
12 00:44:00 quark i'll tell them to stay here a little while longer
12 00:44:00 Morasique tommost: you started it
12 00:44:00 tommost Why are you in the CS lab? I mean, everyone there except for you lives on Percopo 2!
12 00:44:00 tommost Morasique: I apologize.
12 00:44:00 tommost quark: Go to #rhnoise
12 00:44:00 quark we were looking for people to help us
12 00:44:00 Morasique tommost: damn you
12 00:45:00 quark why would I want to go to #rhnoise?
12 00:45:00 Morasique exactly. #rhquasar is much cooler
12 00:45:00 quark i'm fine here
12 00:45:00 auchter believe it or not, IRC allowsyou to be in two channels t once
12 00:45:00 quark yeah I know
12 00:46:00 quark but its just you fags over there
12 00:46:00 Morasique good point
12 00:46:00 quark and apparently i'm already banned
12 00:46:00 Morasique yeah, that was auchter
12 00:46:00 Morasique he's a jerk
12 00:46:00 Morasique /fag
12 00:46:00 quark i've never even been there
12 00:46:00 quark ha
12 00:46:00 quark well I guess I was once but then i left
12 00:46:00 auchter 05:45 -!- mode/#rhnoise [+b quark!*@*] by Morasique
12 00:47:00 quark yeah i know you are nicer
12 00:47:00 Morasique auchter: you doctored that
12 00:47:00 auchter 05:47 -!- mode/#rhnoise [-b quark!*@*] by auchter
12 00:47:00 quark Morasique doesn't like me
12 00:47:00 quark because he is a 50 year old man that doesn't like fun
12 00:47:00 Morasique many 50 year old men do like fun
12 00:48:00 quark i know
12 00:48:00 quark but you don't
12 00:48:00 Morasique true
12 00:48:00 tommost Yeah, and if they're 60 they like piracy and carbon monoxide.
12 00:48:00 Morasique :)
12 00:48:00 ferrelaj_laptop Wait, Morasique doesn't like fun? I thought he just didn't like people...
12 00:48:00 auchter ->#rhnoise, to purify our logs
12 00:49:00 tommost Don't worry, andy753421 can fix it for us.
12 00:53:00 quark tommost: which one of these people is the guy in your group that sits behind me?
12 00:54:00 tommost I'm not sure whether I should answer that or not.
12 00:54:00 quark ok...
12 00:55:00 quark nevermind I figured it out
12 00:55:00 quark you can't really hide your idenity at rose
12 00:56:00 quark isn't that right mr. k
12 00:56:00 ferrelaj_laptop ?
12 00:56:00 quark actually somone just told me
12 01:01:00 Morasique tommost: i just noticed the red monstrosity in the middle of your screenshot. please tell me that's not your cursor
12 01:03:00 tommost You bet it is.
12 01:03:00 tommost I don't think it's pointy enough, though.
12 01:03:00 Morasique why do you have a gigantic red cursor?
12 01:03:00 tommost So that I can see it on this terrible monitor.
12 01:03:00 tommost I still loose the thing all the time.
12 01:04:00 Morasique you should get a new monitor
12 01:04:00 tommost Some apps don't respect my settings.
12 01:04:00 tommost On my laptop? That seems less than likely.
12 01:04:00 Morasique punch it and take it down to iait
12 01:04:00 tommost How would that help?
12 01:04:00 Morasique they would give you a new one
12 01:04:00 Morasique i'm assuming the current one is damaged in some way
12 01:05:00 tommost I don't think so.
12 01:05:00 tommost It's just crappy.
12 01:05:00 auchter my monitor looks fine
12 01:06:00 tommost I find that this one is dim, has a terrible black level, and a distinct blue tint.
12 01:06:00 tommost I have a sub $200 Acer monitor with better color.
12 01:07:00 auchter bright monitors tend to hurt my eyes. my laptop screen is perfect
12 01:07:00 auchter even on my 1600sw i have the brightness at 0
12 01:08:00 tommost_xpvm I have a dark theme on this computer because the contrast is low enough that I think that the increase in readability is worth the occasional problems.
12 01:09:00 tommost_xpvm The monitor is okay in the dark, but it looks terrible in the light.
12 01:09:00 ferrelaj_laptop tommost_xpvm: I have no problems with this monitor. I've actually been quite pleased with it
12 01:10:00 tommost_xpvm I have to say that it is one of the top few things that piss me off about this laptop.
12 01:10:00 tommost_xpvm On a machine that generally pisses me off for costing more than I'd want to spend.
12 01:12:00 tommost_xpvm My Nokia 770 has a better display.
12 01:14:00 ferrelaj_laptop tommost_xpvm: I think you are too picky. I'm still quite pleased with both my laptop, and my monitor. I wont let you take that away from me.
12 01:14:00 ferrelaj_laptop s/,//
12 01:15:00 tommost Yeah, for $3000 + $750 I am going to be picky.
12 01:15:00 Morasique calculates
12 01:15:00 Morasique that's $3750
12 01:16:00 auchter 3000 750 + p
12 01:16:00 auchter 3750
12 01:16:00 ferrelaj_laptop agrees with Morasique
12 01:16:00 auchter [1]> (+ 3000 750)
12 01:16:00 auchter 3750
12 01:16:00 auchter both dc and gnu clisp agree
12 01:17:00 tommost_xpvm congratulates #rhlug on being able to add
12 01:19:00 ferrelaj_laptop thinks tommost_xpvm got ripped off somehow
12 01:21:00 tommost_xpvm $1,000, largely for software that I don't use? Most assuredly.
12 01:21:00 tommost_xpvm $750 insurance deductible because past years' seniors were jackasses? Fuck yeah.
12 01:23:00 ferrelaj_laptop Wierd. Sucks to be you I guess. ;-)
12 01:23:00 ferrelaj_laptop (no offense. :-D)
12 01:24:00 tommost_xpvm None taken.
12 01:29:00 kleinpa somewhat random question: does anyone know what happened to the rose ubuntu apt mirrir?
12 01:30:00 kleinpa it used to be at http://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/ubuntu/
12 01:31:00 Morasique kleinpa: ftp://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/ubuntu-releases/dists/intrepid
12 01:31:00 kleinpa thanks
12 01:31:00 Morasique or http
12 01:32:00 kleinpa right
12 04:20:00 Morasique any idea what would make a clock run slow? my gentoo virtual machine's clock is running at like 1/3 speed
12 08:19:00 Morasique this is like the fifth time they've told us not to e-mail out our passwords
12 15:09:00 TBoneULS So apparenty I was mentioned as the conctact for LUG in the kernel. Although this makes sense, I only found out when someone pointed out my name was in the Kernel
12 15:09:00 TBoneULS We'll see how many emails I get, I suspect few to none.
12 15:10:00 TBoneULS Most of that is because I'm not sure anyone reads the Kernel.
12 16:08:00 Morasique TBoneULS: yeah, sorry: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#line-4227
12 16:08:00 Morasique you should be in #rhlug more :)
12 16:09:00 auchter hah, sorry about that
12 16:09:00 auchter also, they should really stop printing the kernel
12 16:10:00 auchter just send a link to all.campus if they want, it's a complete waste of paper
12 16:10:00 auchter i went to put mine in the recycler immediately after getting it, and the bin was full of them
12 16:11:00 TBoneULS I'm in here, just not paying attention as much as I should
12 16:12:00 TBoneULS that was awhile ago too
12 16:13:00 TBoneULS and yes, this kernel is a complete waste of paper
12 16:13:00 TBoneULS aren't they supposed to be monthly too?
12 16:16:00 Morasique in theory, they've sucked at that recently
12 16:17:00 Morasique you'd think they'd publish on their website at the same time they print it
12 16:17:00 Morasique apparently not
12 16:20:00 Morasique who's going to rockapella, out of curiosity?
12 16:31:00 Morasique apparently that netsplit was permanent
12 16:33:00 Morasique and now i can't message the services. odd
12 16:46:00 Morasique apparently nickserv is back
12 16:49:00 auchter i almost destroyed my lcd today
12 16:49:00 tommost Fun.
12 16:49:00 tommost I'm using the Mac's LCD.
12 16:49:00 tommost To display Windows.
12 16:49:00 auchter i must remember to remove BNC cables from my keyboard prior to closing my laptop
12 16:49:00 Morasique auchter: intentionally?
12 16:49:00 tommost I feel dirty.
12 16:50:00 Morasique tommost: better than using the mac's lcd to display mac os
12 16:51:00 tommost Why is it that the Mac has the only real 1920x1200 display in the lab? Why don't the docks have them?
12 16:51:00 Morasique because curt's the one who redid the labs
12 17:22:00 Morasique did anybody else get an e-mail from mail@hostedware.com? it seems oddly specific for spam
12 17:24:00 andy753421 nope
12 17:24:00 Morasique hmm. ok
12 17:25:00 Morasique i'd forgotten about this bug, i'm on the cc list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301792
12 17:25:00 Morasique it's an epic argument spanning years about whether an up arrow means ascending or descending sort
12 17:26:00 Morasique everybody seems very confident they know the answer, they're just split 50/50 on what the answer is
12 17:29:00 auchter i click repeatedly until it's sorted the way i want it
12 17:30:00 tommost I think that's what everyone does.
12 17:37:00 Morasique thunderbird has worked fine for a while now, at the time it had a habit of forgetting my sorting preference
12 19:36:00 Morasique there's a 1.5tb hard drive on tigerdirect for $150. i want it
12 19:39:00 andy753421 don't those 1.5TB disk always have errors?
12 19:40:00 Morasique i have no idea; there are several negative comments on the listing
12 19:40:00 Morasique my biggest drive is only like 300gb
12 19:41:00 andy753421 http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/11/2125227
12 19:43:00 Morasique damn
12 21:10:00 auchter i think i'm likely going to buy 4 1TB drives in a few months to replace my current array.
12 21:10:00 Morasique auchter: you should buy 8 and give me half
12 21:12:00 auchter actually i'll probably do it after the first drive in my current array dies, or i run out of space
12 21:12:00 auchter i wish someone made a nice small case with room for 4 3.5" drives and a mini-itx motherboard...
12 21:13:00 Morasique that would be handy
12 21:17:00 auchter something like this would actually work fine:
12 21:17:00 auchter http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133045
12 21:18:00 auchter put 5x 1.5TB drives in that...
13 10:06:00 auchter tommost++
13 10:06:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m2a96540e
13 10:06:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-11.log#line-2133
13 10:06:00 Morasique is proud of tommost
13 10:09:00 Morasique i should reply and tell daryl the macs were never usable
13 10:10:00 Morasique we got three cs/se e-mails in an hour. people need to stop screwing up in the labs
13 10:10:00 Morasique one of them was Blazeix's fault; LUG is on the ball today
13 10:10:00 Morasique and the last was about two lost calculators. what are the odds those actually belong to cs/se students?
13 11:17:00 auchter what'd Blazeix do?
13 11:19:00 Morasique he got mad and broke a monitor in half
13 11:20:00 Morasique (he forgot his umbrella)
13 11:21:00 andy753421 who's presenting?
13 11:21:00 andy753421 i think i remember threatening people at the last meeting if nobody signed up..
13 11:22:00 Morasique you did, but i think taking away ops was about the only punishment available
13 12:31:00 Morasique bootchart is pretty cool, it makes a chart of when processes run during boot and how long they take
13 12:32:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/bootchart.png
13 13:31:00 tommost "I like the crunch of the gyoza…it’s sort of like, well, eating a bacony potato chip with a meatball attached to it." : http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=276
13 13:33:00 tommost #rhcooking is lonely. :(
13 13:35:00 kleinjt Join #rhnoise
13 13:35:00 tommost Nooo!!!
13 13:35:00 kleinjt It is everything #rhcooking ever was, but less :/
13 13:42:00 auchter i don't get the opposition to a channel for off-topic stuff
13 13:43:00 tommost I was very fond of #rhcooking.
13 13:43:00 auchter also, is Morasique presenting today?
13 13:45:00 kleinjt ok, I'll go back to #rhcookin
13 13:45:00 kleinjt er.. #rhcooking
13 14:27:00 Morasique auchter: wait, what? no, i'm not presenting
13 14:27:00 Morasique i have nothing to present on
13 14:28:00 tommost Then who's presenting?
13 14:28:00 Morasique i don't think we have anyone yet
13 14:29:00 auchter i thought you said you were doing something on lua
13 14:30:00 Morasique no, tommost said that, and he was joking
13 14:30:00 Morasique i know nothing about lua except what i needed to configure awesome
13 14:32:00 tommost We could make it a joint install-NetBSD-on-my-MobilePro session.
13 14:36:00 Morasique ooo
13 14:36:00 Morasique how about a joint write-my-GL285-paper session?
13 14:37:00 Morasique auchter: and yes, i have no idea why a channel devoted to random discussion is doing so badly
13 14:37:00 auchter step 1. compile a list of sources. step 2. markov chain
13 14:38:00 Morasique that would probably work beautifully in this class
13 14:38:00 tommost Well, I like #rhcooking because the topic is obvious.
13 14:38:00 tommost step 1. Eat something. step 2. Talk about it.
13 14:38:00 Morasique yeah, i'm not really talking about #rhcooking so much, i understand having specific topic channels
13 14:42:00 quark how many specific topic channels are there?
13 14:42:00 Morasique i think lug, robotics, politics and cooking
13 14:42:00 tommost quasar
13 14:43:00 Morasique i thought that was a random channel
13 14:43:00 tommost No, it's specific to the topic of quasar.
13 14:43:00 Morasique ...i see
13 15:12:00 Morasique the windows update "you should restart now!" dialog just popped up over somebody's presentation
13 15:32:00 tommost http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/36915
13 15:35:00 auchter one of these days i'll actually get around to installing greasemonkey
13 15:44:00 Morasique it seems to make my firefox crash more, but that might be imagined
13 15:45:00 Morasique tommost: that's a good idea
13 15:45:00 Morasique i never understood why that posted in the first place
13 15:45:00 tommost Yeah.
13 15:45:00 tommost Take a look at the JavaScript on the page, too. It's ridiculous.
13 15:46:00 Morasique the submit button fiddling?
13 15:46:00 Morasique i hate that
13 15:46:00 Morasique actually, you should write a script to drop that
13 15:48:00 tommost Yeah, I'll do that sometime.
13 15:52:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/presentation.html
13 15:53:00 auchter ``Time left to come up with a presentation: Uh oh'' ?
13 15:53:00 Morasique javascript disabled?
13 15:53:00 auchter nope
13 15:54:00 Morasique clock wrong?
13 15:54:00 Morasique please say you use EST
13 15:54:00 auchter Thu Nov 13 20:54:35 UTC 2008
13 15:54:00 Morasique i hate you
13 15:54:00 Morasique well, go write your own then
13 15:54:00 tommost Morasique: That's your fault for not doing your date stuff in UTC in the first place.
13 15:55:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/presentation-utc.html
13 15:55:00 Morasique tommost: i didn't actually write this, i stole the script from somewhere else
13 15:56:00 tommost I realize that, since I had to enable two domains in NoScript to make it work.
13 15:56:00 Morasique i still don't know how you function with noscript
13 15:56:00 Morasique unless you add exceptions constantly
13 15:56:00 tommost I do. It drives me crazy.
13 15:56:00 Morasique you could disable it. the ultimate exception
13 15:56:00 tommost The only reason I put up with it is because it makes Flash crash less.
13 15:56:00 Morasique ah
13 15:56:00 Morasique i'm not sure how those are connected
13 15:57:00 tommost It blocks Flash like FlashBlock, but does it better.
13 15:58:00 tommost I can probably set it to not disable JavaScript and just block the Flash; I should do that.
13 15:59:00 Morasique apparently my desktop broke
13 16:27:00 Morasique people that play music in the lab without headphones should be killed
13 16:27:00 tommost So we still don't have a presentation?
13 16:28:00 Morasique nope
13 16:28:00 Morasique no worries, we have 47 minutes
13 16:37:00 Morasique people are singing rockapella songs in the lab
13 16:37:00 Morasique they're not as good as rockapella
13 16:46:00 TBoneULS Morasique: you should fix your desktop
13 16:46:00 Morasique yeah, i'm not in my room at the moment
13 16:46:00 TBoneULS fail.
13 16:46:00 Morasique yes
13 16:46:00 Morasique you should go to my room and restart it
13 16:46:00 TBoneULS meh
13 16:46:00 TBoneULS i am closer then you i think though
13 16:47:00 TBoneULS what did you do to it?
13 16:47:00 Morasique it freezes when i have waste running too long
13 16:47:00 Morasique i don't know how
13 16:47:00 Morasique i run waste in a virtual machine and it still freezes the main desktop
13 16:47:00 TBoneULS weird
13 16:56:00 Morasique the kernel article calls linux and mac os "alternative operating systems"
13 16:56:00 Morasique burn
13 16:56:00 quark aren't they?
13 16:57:00 Morasique i guess from a certain perspective. i think of alternative as having a negative connotation
13 16:57:00 auchter windows is an alternative OS
13 16:57:00 Morasique at least the way they used it
13 16:58:00 Morasique "there is no organized support group for Mac users on campus". suck it macs
13 16:58:00 Morasique gah! http://macs4rose.com
13 16:58:00 tommost Interesting observation: Pidgin double-free()s when your hard disk runs out of space.
13 16:59:00 auchter Morasique: yep, that's a sad site
13 16:59:00 Morasique odd
13 16:59:00 auchter ``Registered users: No registered users''
13 16:59:00 Morasique they should get mediawiki, forums are kind of an odd format for this info
13 16:59:00 quark mac users don't really need support.....
13 17:00:00 Morasique these posts disagree
13 17:00:00 Morasique this guy tried to get ldap to work for some time before rediscovering the info at http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/LDAP. we should link to the lug wiki on the mac site
13 17:02:00 tommost http://macs4rose.chandlerkent.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15
13 17:02:00 Morasique i was just going to post that
13 17:03:00 tommost So there's nothing planned for the LUG meeting? If so, I'll bring my MobilePro.
13 17:03:00 Morasique "I was stupid enough to have my root account password set to "root" so I could remember it"
13 17:03:00 Morasique i love mac users
13 17:03:00 Morasique tommost: i don't think so
13 19:17:00 Morasique crr: http://www.biggerbetterbeards.org/
13 19:21:00 tommost Morasique: That site degrades nicely without JavaScript.
13 19:26:00 Morasique tommost: you're the only person in the world who knows
13 21:25:00 Morasique there's an interesting effect on this site when you click one of the screenshots: http://screenshots.debian.net/packages
13 21:29:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/chem-IONIC1.EXE.png
13 21:33:00 andy753421 so what happened at the lug meeting?
13 21:33:00 tommost We went to the computer graphics presentations.
13 21:33:00 andy753421 oh, how was that?
13 21:34:00 tommost Some of them were pretty cool.
13 21:34:00 andy753421 i don't suppose they posted slides or a program anywhere?
13 21:35:00 tommost No, it wasn't that sort of presentation.
13 21:36:00 andy753421 oh, is that where everyone had their presentations open at the same time?
13 21:36:00 tommost More like programs, but yeah.
13 21:36:00 andy753421 true
13 23:46:00 Morasique what a wonderful name for an environment variable: http://www.wlug.org.nz/POSIX_ME_HARDER
13 23:49:00 quark you sir are a pervert
13 23:50:00 tommost Ah, yes, I love that variable.
13 23:51:00 Morasique quark: indeed
13 23:51:00 tommost Hmm... I like their approach to penguin placement.
14 00:16:00 Morasique i was trying to play portal, but awesome kept messing up, so i tried it in metacity, same problem. then i tried it in compiz: worked perfectly
14 00:16:00 Morasique my whole world is upside-down
14 00:18:00 andy753421 Morasique: window managers are for noobs
14 00:19:00 Morasique :'(
14 00:30:00 quark i thought awsome was awesome
14 00:57:00 andy753421 has anyone ever heard of a language where you can do `array[..][..] = 123' and instead of modifying array, it returns a copy of array with [..][..] replaced with 123?
14 01:50:00 andy753421 question: does vimperator put a quick link thingy on form buttons as well as links?
14 01:51:00 Morasique yeah
14 03:13:00 andy753421 does anyone know if summer quarter counts towards SGA club status?
14 03:20:00 jboticsource I have been wondering the same myself
14 03:22:00 tommost Given this IRC channel's activity level, the answer is clearly "yes" for us.
14 03:27:00 andy753421 there's pretty much no consistency on the SGA or any other Rose-Hulman site on what is defined as a `quarter'
14 03:28:00 Morasique er. we don't have a set definition for this?
14 03:28:00 andy753421 for `quarter'?
14 03:29:00 Morasique oh, you mean whether or not summer counts. i'm not sure about that, i would think no
14 03:30:00 andy753421 from http://www.rose-hulman.edu/gradstudies/costs.htm: "The Rose-Hulman academic year is divided into three quarters."
14 03:31:00 andy753421 I know I love being able to divide things in to three /quarters/...
14 03:34:00 Morasique yeah, i don't know why we don't call them trimesters like everyone else
14 03:34:00 andy753421 also, the sga constitution say that it's `one full academic quarter' for probationary status, but only a `two quarter probationary status period'...
14 03:35:00 Morasique er. i'm confused
14 03:35:00 andy753421 apparently for regular club status we don't have to wait `acadmic' quarter, nor `full' quarters ;)
14 03:36:00 Morasique so is this a mistake or an intentional loophole?
14 03:36:00 andy753421 and i probably got one of my negations wrong in there..
14 03:36:00 andy753421 i'm guessing a loophole
14 14:19:00 Morasique xkcd is genius
14 15:05:00 tommost What C function do you use to print out the string version of what's in errno?
14 15:06:00 tommost Oh, perror().
14 15:06:00 auchter tommost: perror
14 15:10:00 tommost It doesn't seem to work on Windows. :(
14 15:10:00 tommost I'm confused.
14 15:11:00 tommost realloc() is failing to change a 20-byte allocation to a 40-byte one.
14 15:13:00 auchter how so?
14 15:14:00 tommost This is a guy in 120; perror() doesn't print anything.
14 15:14:00 tommost Yet it returns NULL.
14 15:15:00 tommost Oh, I wonder if it's another = vs. == problem.
14 15:15:00 tommost Let me check.
14 15:16:00 auchter the man page says that errno just gets set to ENOMEM on error, which isn't terribly helpful since that's implied when realloc returns null
14 15:16:00 tommost Ah.
14 17:35:00 Morasique i hear the CS labs are pretty much full. that amuses me
14 17:58:00 Morasique http://javajeff.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-groovy-with-with.html
14 17:58:00 Morasique that. i want that. in all languages
14 17:58:00 Morasique visual basic had it, i don't understand why modern languages don't
14 18:23:00 tommost Morasique: JavaScript has that.
14 18:31:00 andy753421 i'm curious how it handles conflicts between methods of calendar and global functions
14 18:36:00 tommost That's the problem with with(){} in JavaScript: there's no way to tell whether the properties and methods you're interacting with are actually properties of the object in the with parenthesis.
14 18:36:00 tommost You have to know that they will exist, particularly if you are assigning to them. (In JavaScript, all with(obj){} does is add obj at the top of the lookup chain.)
14 18:38:00 andy753421 ok, ruby does the same thing as well, i just didn't make the connection between the method names at first until i read the part about it being a closure: http://rafb.net/p/RnjKjt34.html
14 18:38:00 andy753421 also, the ruby code is prettier :)
14 18:43:00 andy753421 you could do it the crazy hash way too: http://rafb.net/p/fmJkh657.html
14 18:43:00 andy753421 or you could just edit using block mode and the amount of typing will be the same anyway
14 18:45:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/90887/
14 18:45:00 tommost Normally that's what you do in JavaScript, too.
14 18:46:00 auchter http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_180_vdpau&num=1 cool
14 18:47:00 andy753421 video decoding in the graphics card?
14 18:51:00 auchter crazy idea, isn't it?
15 01:37:00 tommost I am completely mystified as to how Totem manages to output video under the radeonhd drivers. I assumed that it was xvideo, but mplayer fails when using that, and I can't get VLC to output anything at all. There is deep magic at work here.
15 03:34:00 hollanbm this may be a long shot but is anybody here?
15 03:35:00 hollanbm (sigh) okay well i'll just write out my problem in the hopes someone will reply at a later time
15 03:37:00 hollanbm I just installed waste through wine, and it ran fine the first couple of times i had it up, however now the program only runs in the tray and i cannot bring it forwards....i've tried right clicking on the icon and choosing show waste, or browser, or transfers....BUT I know waste is running because beforehand i was downloading files and im watching their respective file size grow
15 03:37:00 hollanbm So i have waste and its running but i cant use it
15 03:38:00 hollanbm I also have compiz installed
15 03:41:00 hollanbm but i disabled it and its still not working
15 13:17:00 Morasique ooo. another excellent reason to use vimperator: you can still use the keyboard when you're trapped in a pdf
15 13:18:00 tommost That's impressive.
15 13:51:00 Morasique wtf. i hit some combination of keys that made vimperator open a bunch of google search tabs, one for each word on my clipboard
15 13:52:00 tommost Don't you want to use vim as your editor now?
15 13:52:00 auchter were the words in your paste buffer comma separated?
15 13:53:00 Morasique 1yeah
15 13:53:00 Morasique s/1//
15 13:53:00 auchter well, that's standard.
15 13:53:00 auchter P
15 13:53:00 Morasique ah. apparently P was one of the keys i hit. i don't really remember
15 13:53:00 auchter that opens whatever's in your paste buffer in a new tab
15 13:53:00 auchter it's one of the things i use most
15 13:54:00 Morasique i don't think i would ever use that. all the places i see links they're clickable
15 13:55:00 auchter if someone says something in irc/im and i want to search for it, i highlight it and press P
15 13:55:00 Morasique i click it
15 13:57:00 auchter you can click a string of arbitrary words?
15 13:58:00 Morasique oh, i read what you said wrong. i click urls, i suppose searching for phrases people have said could be useful
15 13:58:00 auchter yeah, obviously i plumb links, but i use this for strings that i want to search
15 14:04:00 octavious anyone used surfraw?
15 14:04:00 Morasique we've talked about it before i think
15 14:05:00 auchter i had completely forgotten about that
15 14:05:00 Morasique oh. octavious originally mentioned it. http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-07.log#line-2252
15 14:06:00 Morasique i'd forgotten too, i should really make myself use it
15 14:09:00 Morasique cool, zsh tab completes the elvi argument
15 14:19:00 auchter alright, i think i'm going to switch to zsh.
15 15:06:00 shadghost no more karma here?
15 15:09:00 kleinj1 shadghost--
15 15:09:00 kleinj1 nope, it still works
15 15:10:00 shadghost lol
15 15:10:00 shadghost kleinj1++
15 15:20:00 ferrelaj_laptop hmm
15 20:13:00 quark yay
15 20:13:00 quark i am totally back
15 20:14:00 Morasique ?
15 20:14:00 quark ?
15 20:15:00 kleinjt Morasique: [n=quark@0-50-da-a-ca-3c.pm.okstate.edu] entered the room. ?
15 20:15:00 quark yes
15 20:15:00 quark how does that not make sense
15 20:15:00 quark kleinjt: are you doing the robot?
15 20:15:00 Morasique i assumed something had happened; i don't normally announce my entry into a room
15 20:15:00 quark i do
15 20:15:00 Morasique ah
15 20:15:00 quark esepecially here
15 20:15:00 kleinjt quark: Not at the moment, I'm sitting down.
15 20:15:00 quark aww
15 20:16:00 quark who has a copy of flash9?
15 20:33:00 quark i want some fucking O lines
15 21:23:00 Morasique anybody know where meal plan price information is?
15 21:25:00 andy753421 http://www.campusdish.com/en-US/CSMW/RoseHulman/MealPlans/MealPlanInformation.htm
15 21:25:00 andy753421 i don't see prices though
15 21:26:00 Morasique yeah, i found that and http://www.rose-hulman.edu/StudentAffairs/meal_plans.htm, but neither have prices for some reason
15 21:26:00 Morasique i've found the prices before, but now i don't remember where
15 21:26:00 andy753421 is it on banner?
15 21:28:00 Morasique possibly, i can't find it
15 21:28:00 Morasique i know, i'll search for it! oh wait. "This page is not enabled for current user role(s)"
15 21:28:00 andy753421 yea, i just noticed that, which prices were you looking for?
15 21:29:00 Morasique how much each one costs
15 21:30:00 andy753421 way to be specific
15 21:30:00 andy753421 I can find prices for 18 and 8+..
15 21:30:00 Morasique i'm not sure what you mean. i want to know how much each meal plan will cost me per quarter
15 21:30:00 Morasique oh. i figured they'd all be on the same page. i suppose i'm looking for 65 and 80
15 21:31:00 andy753421 in that case, i don't know
15 21:31:00 Morasique ok. thanks
15 21:31:00 tommost $too much
15 21:31:00 andy753421 indeed, they're on the financial aid history page if you've had either of those before
15 21:34:00 Morasique i'm trying to figure out if they cost the same. i thought they did, but 65 comes with $75 DB and 80 comes with none, and both let you convert meals to DB, so the 80 would let you convert 15 meals to DB at $5.70 each to end up with 65 meals, $85.50 DB versus 65 meals, 0 DB for the same amount
15 21:35:00 Morasique er. /0 DB/$75 DB/
15 21:35:00 Morasique but still
15 21:36:00 Morasique ah, Blazeix has run into this problem before, he ended up e-mailing them to get the info
15 21:36:00 Morasique and they do cost the same. wow
15 21:36:00 andy753421 hehe, that's funny
15 21:37:00 andy753421 oh, maybe the list was in that pamphlet they had out at the begining of each year
15 21:38:00 tommost What's the point of having the two if they cost the same and give you the same stuff?
15 21:38:00 Morasique they don't give you the same stuff; one gives you more
15 21:38:00 Morasique that's my point
15 21:38:00 Morasique the 65 is useless
15 21:38:00 tommost Ah, okay.
15 21:38:00 andy753421 yea, if the 80 converted to less DB it would make sense
15 21:39:00 andy753421 you should email them and ask why they have the 65
15 21:40:00 Morasique no, they might fix the loophole :)
15 21:41:00 andy753421 if anything, i think it's that way on purpose in order to trick people into buying the 65 one
15 21:41:00 Morasique possibly, but i would hope people at this school can do multiplication
15 21:42:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, how much do both of those cost?
15 21:42:00 Morasique $586
15 21:43:00 andy753421 (it's still cheaper to pay for everything in cash)
15 21:43:00 Morasique well yeah, but i don't live in skinner, i'm required to have a meal plan
15 21:43:00 Morasique and they're the cheapest by far
15 21:43:00 Morasique if you use the meals only for lunch it's pretty close, lunch is $7.50 or so
15 21:44:00 andy753421 ah, last I heard lunch and dinner were $7.00
15 21:44:00 andy753421 what's dinner?
15 21:44:00 Morasique maybe it's $7. i thought dinner was cheaper, but i haven't gone to dinner in the ARA since freshman year, i meal exchange it
15 21:44:00 Morasique i thought dinner was $5.70, that's what the meal exchange amount is
15 21:44:00 andy753421 was was pretty sure dinner and lunch were the same
15 21:44:00 andy753421 and breakfast is cheaper
15 21:45:00 andy753421 which is funny, because breakfast is usually be best meal
15 21:46:00 Morasique i usually don't eat breakfast, but this quarter i stayed up all night all the time so i did
15 21:46:00 Morasique i just discovered my roommate is on the 65 meal plan. nice
15 21:47:00 andy753421 yea, eggs + toast + waffle + cereal + fruit + drink for $5.00 or so is pretty good
15 21:53:00 andy753421 mmm eggs..
15 21:53:00 andy753421 time to cook some food
16 00:02:00 Morasique
