#rhlug for 2008-10

30 23:12:00 Mishtal im interested in writing a rose-i-fication script for use during install fests that do most / all of the configuration that a student needs. any suggestion?

30 23:13:00 auchter Mishtal: take a look at the wiki

30 23:14:00 Mishtal right

30 23:16:00 andy753421 I think one of those ece people should give a presentation on microntroller programming

30 23:17:00 auchter step 1: realize that trying to use crossdev is futile

30 23:18:00 andy753421 i wonder why they can't just make normal ebuilds for the other toolchains

30 23:19:00 auchter believe me, i've wondered the same thing

30 23:19:00 andy753421 this calls for a trip to #gentoo-embedded

30 23:19:00 auchter they have a standard enough way of naming binutils and gcc

30 23:19:00 auchter let me know what they sayu

30 23:22:00 Morasique auchter: using kicking shadghost as a presentation incentive is evil. also probably effective

30 23:23:00 auchter in his defense, he's been pretty reasonable lately

30 23:23:00 auchter also, how did i end up with the highest karma last month?

30 23:24:00 Morasique clearly hacking was involved

30 23:25:00 Morasique i might've won if tommost hadn't modded me down like 10 times. tommost--

30 23:26:00 auchter Morasique: it's as if he felt the karma being taken away..

30 23:27:00 tommost ?

30 23:27:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#line-59

30 23:28:00 Morasique wait, why is he still positive?

30 23:28:00 Morasique s/positive/0/

30 23:28:00 Morasique hacks!

30 23:29:00 tommost I hadn't spoken yet.

30 23:29:00 Morasique it has to happen after you speak? tommost--

30 23:29:00 auchter i blame python

30 23:29:00 Morasique i blame tommost

30 23:29:00 Morasique and arch

30 23:29:00 Morasique and vim

30 23:29:00 Morasique so shadghost-- doesn't do anything? that concerns me

30 23:29:00 tommost No, it's because andy wouldn't make luglog start each logfile with a list of the people in the room.

30 23:30:00 auchter obviously, because that's bloat

30 23:30:00 Morasique i knew they had to speak, i just didn't know it had to be before the karma changes happened

30 23:30:00 auchter the raw log files are fine as they are

30 23:30:00 tommost I could modify logview so that it does multiple passes, but I was trying for speed.

30 23:30:00 tommost I've been thinking of changing it so that arbitrary words can have karma.

30 23:33:00 Morasique awk '!/^#rhlug/ { print $1 }' 2008-10.log | sort | uniq

30 23:33:00 Morasique bam

30 23:33:00 tommost quark started this month's logs off nicely.

30 23:33:00 Morasique please make logview run shell scripts

30 23:33:00 Morasique andy753421 would explode

30 23:33:00 Morasique tommost: i always mean to start off the month by kicking shadghost, but i never remember

30 23:34:00 tommost I could have it fork() to two processes and do the karma and regular processing in parallel.

30 23:34:00 tommost You know, for speed.

30 23:35:00 andy753421 you should, but you should by me a dual core processor first, you know, for speed

30 23:35:00 andy753421 *buy

30 23:35:00 Morasique ooo, good plan. we should all install client programs on our machines so you can distribute the processing among all lug members

30 23:36:00 andy753421 oh, i heard that Curt's trying to get a whole bunch of money for some big computing cluster

30 23:36:00 tommost Another idea: make logview a daemon that rebuilds the page after each line added to the log so that they can be served from the local cache. It would cut down on response time.

30 23:36:00 tommost Or I could rewrite it in D.

30 23:36:00 auchter andy753421: what's wrong with the current cluster?

30 23:37:00 andy753421 auchter: you mean the brain?

30 23:37:00 auchter yes

30 23:37:00 tommost swansom++

30 23:37:00 andy753421 I think curt's idea is to be focused on data instead of focused on processing

30 23:38:00 Morasique tommost: ?

30 23:38:00 auchter i'm not sure i understand what you mean

30 23:38:00 tommost Morasique: My roommate.

30 23:38:00 andy753421 so the idea is to have a bunch of disks with processors attached, instead of a bunch of processors that access some storage

30 23:38:00 Morasique well that makes sense

30 23:38:00 andy753421 so sort of like what google does

30 23:38:00 auchter right, i remember him mentioning mapreduce

30 23:40:00 tommost Does Erlang enter in to this?

30 23:41:00 andy753421 tommost: not sure, erlang is slow though

30 23:41:00 tommost Mmm.

30 23:41:00 andy753421 something about hadoop

30 23:41:00 tommost You can run Python on Hadoop...

30 23:41:00 tommost (Slow, yes, but less painful than Java.)

30 23:42:00 andy753421 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=ghc&lang2=hipe

30 23:43:00 andy753421 erlang looses

30 23:43:00 Morasique "less painful than Java" is a stellar endorsement

30 23:43:00 tommost That surprises noone.

30 23:43:00 tommost Morasique: Well, weighed against Java's relative speed of execution...

30 23:44:00 auchter java's actually pretty fast, once you pass the initial startup time

30 23:45:00 andy753421 it's speed isn't to bad, but it's memory use is insane

30 23:46:00 tommost andy753421: Numbers?

30 23:46:00 auchter i haven't actually really looked into it, but does compiled java have that horrible memory usage?

30 23:46:00 auchter that is, not using the virtual machine

30 23:46:00 andy753421 auchter: yea it's still pretty bad

30 23:46:00 tommost But then it wouldn't be as fast, would it...?

30 23:47:00 andy753421 i think it has a lot to do with the libraries

30 23:47:00 auchter yes, that is a huge point (pun intended)

30 23:47:00 andy753421 tommost: what?

30 23:48:00 andy753421 tommost: java vs. python: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python&lang2=java

30 23:48:00 tommost I thought that most of what made it fast on the JVM was JIT, which you can't really do when it's natively compiled.

30 23:48:00 andy753421 i <3 that website

30 23:48:00 tommost Holy shit, that memory use is ridiculous.

30 23:48:00 andy753421 um, i f it's native compiled, why would you need to?

30 23:48:00 tommost I never thought that *Python* was that economical, but...

30 23:49:00 auchter JIT compilation is bad and slow

30 23:49:00 tommost auchter: On what do you base that?

30 23:49:00 tommost It seems to be working pretty well for JavaScript.

30 23:50:00 tommost tries to find JavaScript on that site...

30 23:50:00 andy753421 they have tracemonkey, it fails too ;)

30 23:50:00 auchter well, doing the compilation as the code's executing is obviously going to be slower than doing it before hand

30 23:51:00 tommost They should have SquirrelFish Extreme. That's the fastest one, currently.

30 23:51:00 andy753421 you can't really do as much optimization with JIT because it would just take way to long

30 23:52:00 andy753421 if you go to their home page they have different machines and some of them have different languages

30 23:53:00 auchter http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=gcc&lang2=python ;)

30 23:53:00 andy753421 the have javascript with JavaScriptCore, Rhino, SpiderMonkey, and TraceMonkey but I don't know how much of those

30 23:54:00 tommost JavaScriptCore is crazy slow (it has been replaced by SquirrelFish, and then SquirrelFish Extreme in the last few months). Rhino is on the JVM. SpiderMonkey is being replaced by TraceMonkey.

30 23:57:00 tommost Score: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python&lang2=php

30 23:59:00 auchter python's only marginally better than php. c is significantly better than python

30 23:59:00 tommost anything >> PHP

30 23:59:00 andy753421 yea, ruby is slow too, but that's why I do my speed intensive coding in C :)

30 23:59:00 tommost I need to learn Ruby...

30 23:59:00 auchter i need to learn haskell.

30 23:59:00 andy753421 although GHC is pretty impressive for the language it is

30 23:59:00 tommost That too.

01 00:00:00 tommost Is Haskell used for anything in the commercial world?

01 00:00:00 andy753421 not that I've heard of

01 00:00:00 andy753421 perl 6 ;)

01 00:05:00 auchter hm, apparently even the mention of perl 6 can cause tom to run away

01 00:49:00 ZetaSyanthis1 limericdb is a horrible, horrible thing

01 00:50:00 ZetaSyanthis1 stumbleupon pales in comparison

01 01:08:00 Morasique i honestly have no idea why you compared it to stumbleupon

01 01:09:00 Morasique Macs are a horrible, horrible thing

01 01:09:00 Morasique turtles pale in comparison

01 01:09:00 quark tommost: how did I start the logs of nicely?

01 01:09:00 quark did I say dirty words

01 01:10:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#line-0

01 01:11:00 quark oh

01 01:11:00 quark fuck yeah

01 01:11:00 quark hey

01 01:11:00 quark do you know how I can use my laptop as an access point

01 01:11:00 quark since my ds's processor isn't powerful enough to do wpa

01 01:12:00 quark hostap or something?

01 01:36:00 Morasique it took me four hours to figure out the explanation wollowski gave me via e-mail is totally wrong

01 01:36:00 Morasique that concerns me

01 01:37:00 andy753421 Morasique: what was the question?

01 01:39:00 andy753421 auchter: just got a response form #gentoo-embedded, apparently it has to do with the fact that there's so many different architectures and so forth

01 01:48:00 Morasique andy753421: i misunderstood an algorithm we have to implement, and i asked him why it wasn't working for me and he gave me totally the wrong reason

01 01:56:00 Morasique oh, this is for AI btw. i just realized that might be confusing

01 11:20:00 andy753421 auchter: second comment crossdev, "because that's the way it's implemented"

01 11:20:00 andy753421 apparently it's not even standard, as there's an ebuild for the blackfin toolchain (bfin-toolchain)

01 11:24:00 auchter heh, i'm tempted to just make my own ebuild for avr-gcc and such

01 11:25:00 auchter it's kind of a pain to install manually each time (there are patches that need to be applied to the linking scripts for some reason)

01 11:39:00 auchter http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/74hv5/rob_pike_we_really_are_using_a_1970s_era/c05nnfq

01 11:49:00 kleinjt tommost: our processor needs an HCF instruction

01 11:53:00 auchter kleinjt: hah, our motor controllers have one built in

01 12:04:00 tommost Why...?

01 12:05:00 tommost How would that be implemented in hardware?

01 12:10:00 auchter have something that shorts vcc to gnd

01 12:20:00 tommost Are we talking about different things? I was going for highest common factor.

01 12:23:00 auchter i was going for the more fun Halt and Catch Fire

01 12:27:00 tommost That is more amusing.

01 13:28:00 auchter that's the worst all campus email i can remember

01 15:48:00 tommost auchter: Which one?

01 15:58:00 auchter tommost: the k9 one

01 15:58:00 tommost Ah, yeah. That was totally without context.

01 15:58:00 tommost It should have included a gratuitously large picture of a dog, though.

01 16:00:00 tommost kleinjt: We need to divide up the work for our Comparch project.

01 16:01:00 kleinjt tommost: Yes, we do. I've been playing with the instruction set as I understand it, and it is a pain to program in

01 16:01:00 kleinjt which is fine, I guess, if it is easy to write in verilog

01 16:02:00 tommost Yeah, we kind of designed it with pain in mind...

01 16:02:00 tommost I was thinking of making a pseudo-language with higher-level primitives to actually implement stuff in.

01 16:04:00 kleinjt yep. I've been assuming we've got push and pop while writing the relatively prime program

01 16:05:00 kleinjt the conditional execution would be extremely helpful too, so we don't have to fill up the accumulator with the results of compare operations

01 16:05:00 kleinjt but I guess we're past that

01 16:06:00 kleinjt did you have anything in mind that you wanted me to work on?

01 16:08:00 tommost Well, we need to flesh out the instruction set before anything else.

01 16:08:00 tommost If everyone else is busy I could do that.

01 16:08:00 tommost I don't have anything due tomorrow.

01 16:08:00 kleinjt I just have a test tonight, a test tomorrow morning, and homework tonight.

01 16:08:00 tommost What are you assuming that pop does?

01 16:09:00 kleinjt place the top of the stack in the accumulator, and remove it from the stack

01 16:10:00 kleinjt So far I've been assuming push works an immediate address, but I suppose loading from the queue would be a better idea

01 16:10:00 tommost Yeah, that's not really what either one was supposed to do.

01 16:11:00 kleinjt what was intended?

01 16:12:00 tommost Push saves the current value in the accumulator to where the stack pointer points, then increments the stack pointer. Pop decrements the stack pointer.

01 16:13:00 tommost Oh, hey, I have a punch of brochures that I forgot to hand out.

01 16:13:00 kleinjt that's what you get for opening the email before the meeting...

01 16:16:00 tommost BRB; walking to Percopo.

01 16:34:00 auchter all this comparch talk reminded me of my groups processor

01 16:34:00 auchter here's recursive euclid's gcd on our processor: http://rafb.net/p/8N75Zb77.html

01 16:35:00 tommost What type of processor was it?

01 16:35:00 tommost What is SWPGT?

01 16:35:00 auchter oh, wait, i missed a line

01 16:36:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/Vv30TE57.html

01 16:36:00 auchter swaps the two registers if the compare register has GT in it

01 16:36:00 auchter the processor was kind of a MIPS/ARM hybrid

01 16:38:00 tommost You had the same 16-bit constraint, right?

01 16:38:00 auchter hm

01 16:38:00 auchter ?

01 16:38:00 tommost It had to be a 16-bit processor?

01 16:39:00 auchter i believe so

01 16:40:00 tommost RETEQ?

01 16:40:00 auchter return if the compare register is EQ

01 16:41:00 tommost Are RT, EQ, etc. just opaque symbols?

01 16:41:00 auchter GT, LT, EQ, could be appended to any instruction

01 16:42:00 auchter the value of the CMP register is set by (CMP reg1 reg2) or (CMP reg1 const)

01 16:47:00 tommost Ah, cool.

01 16:48:00 tommost It's very tempting to add that to ours, since the accumulator makes it awkward to loop because you have to hit memory for the loop counter all the time.

01 16:49:00 kleinjt I agree, looping is pretty tricky as it is now

01 16:49:00 kleinjt and we've got 15 bits for our instructions, conditional execution would only eat up 2 bits

01 16:49:00 tommost Well, not tricky, really. Just verbose.

01 16:51:00 kleinjt verbose may mean slow, our processor has to execute all those instructions.

01 16:51:00 tommost Indeed.

01 17:36:00 Morasique i can only get "d" to work if i hit it with my right hand

01 17:36:00 Morasique i don't understand why

01 17:45:00 Morasique how do i tell if something is a list in python?

01 17:46:00 auchter does_guido_think_this_is_a_list()

01 17:46:00 auchter it returns a boolean

01 17:46:00 Morasique perfect

01 17:48:00 Morasique oh, isinstance can do it. neat

01 17:51:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-10-01_21:48:01_1920x1200.png

01 17:51:00 auchter i'm terrified

01 17:55:00 Morasique clearly you should upgrade to vista

01 17:56:00 Morasique python needs andmap

01 17:57:00 andy753421 it has some for of reduce/inject

01 17:57:00 andy753421 you should be able to use that

01 17:57:00 Morasique well, i can do False in map(...), i would just prefer if it had andmap

01 17:58:00 Morasique s/False/not False/

01 18:03:00 andy753421 reduce(lambda a, b: a and b, lst) ?

01 18:03:00 andy753421 it doesn't short circuit though

01 18:04:00 Morasique i just did def andmap(f, l): return not False in map(f, l)

01 18:04:00 Morasique same problem, but i can live with that

01 18:07:00 andy753421 lst.each{|i| break false unless i } && true

01 18:07:00 andy753421 does andmap return true/false, or the determining element of the array?

01 18:08:00 Morasique i think in scheme it returns the determining element, but i don't ever need that functionality

01 18:08:00 tommost andmap?

01 18:08:00 tommost What does that do?

01 18:09:00 Morasique we just gave like 4 different implementations :)

01 18:09:00 tommost reads the log

01 18:09:00 tommost What about any()?

01 18:10:00 tommost any(fun(a) for a in iterable)

01 18:10:00 tommost That will short-circuit.

01 18:10:00 Morasique oh yeah, that would work too, i didn't know about that

01 18:11:00 andy753421 tommost: is there an every? or is that `not any(not i for i in lst)'?

01 18:11:00 andy753421 wait, i think that's wrong

01 18:11:00 tommost all()

01 18:12:00 andy753421 you know, any/all would be a lot easier to find if they were methods of the iterable class ;)

01 18:13:00 tommost There is no iterable class.

01 18:13:00 tommost http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html

01 18:13:00 andy753421 :'(

01 18:13:00 andy753421 so, what exactly is an iterable then?

01 18:14:00 tommost It has an __iter__() method that returns an iterator.

01 18:14:00 Morasique python loves its duck typing

01 18:14:00 andy753421 so it's like an interface that's not actually defined anywhere?

01 18:14:00 tommost If it makes you happy, Python 3000 (and probably Python 2.6) have an Iterable abstract base class.

01 18:14:00 andy753421 yay

01 18:15:00 andy753421 not that i support the concept of object orientation or anything, but if you're going to claim that a language is OO you might at least do it well

01 18:16:00 tommost Also, http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2007-May/007198.html

01 18:16:00 tommost I've wanted that so many times.

01 18:22:00 andy753421 just implement full pattern matching ;)

01 18:23:00 auchter so... no one wants to present tomorrow?

01 18:24:00 andy753421 i've done to many presentations already..

01 18:24:00 tommost Mine always go poorly.

01 18:24:00 tommost octavious++

01 18:24:00 auchter tommost: huh? the greasemonkey one was pretty interesting

01 18:24:00 tommost Oh, yeah, that worked okay.

01 18:25:00 andy753421 did we ever mention that if you give a presentation you get ops in #rhlug?

01 18:25:00 tommost I want Greasemonkey for not-Firefox. :(

01 18:25:00 andy753421 oh, we should make that on a yearly basis

01 18:25:00 auchter indeed...

01 18:28:00 tommost Shall we begin the de-oping?

01 19:18:00 Morasique wasn't crr going to redo his presentation soon?

01 19:19:00 Blazeix yeah, I don't think we ever set a concrete date for that

01 19:19:00 Blazeix We could spring it on him tomorrow in AI class.

01 19:20:00 Morasique i sent him a message, he's not at his computer though

01 19:25:00 auchter oh, wonderful

01 19:26:00 auchter my windows install finished its check, now it just bsods immediately

01 19:26:00 auchter safe mode does the same thing

01 19:27:00 Morasique auchter: you should switch to linux, i've heard it's pretty cool

01 19:29:00 auchter i filed a ticket for IAIT to install cadence SPB on ts[123], let's see if that happens.

01 19:36:00 auchter speaking of which, why isn't everything that's in //tibia/Public/Course\ Software installed in ts[123]?

01 19:54:00 Morasique auchter: because they're run by iait. i gave up on them so long ago, i don't know why everyone is still so surprised by their incompetence

01 20:16:00 andy753421 does anyone actually know what foo.validate() does in java?

01 20:22:00 Morasique andy753421: it tells a container to lay out the stuff in it

01 20:23:00 andy753421 ah, ok

01 20:23:00 andy753421 someone in the lab's code wasn't working, and my solution to that is to just tell them to put in blah.validate() at various places and it usually works

01 20:31:00 Morasique i've been known to call validate, invalidate, and repaint all in a row trying to get stuff to work

01 20:31:00 Morasique and sometimes it still doesn't; 4 years of using java and i still don't know how to get GUIs to paint correctly

01 20:31:00 Morasique sometimes i resort to doing foo.setVisible(false); foo.setVisible(true);

01 20:41:00 Morasique python really, really needs a ternary operator. tommost--

01 20:52:00 auchter macros + ternary operators == a lot of fun for messing with people

01 20:54:00 Morasique crr says he can do coreutils tomorrow

01 20:55:00 auchter crr++ (though that won't count because python's dumb)

01 20:55:00 Morasique s/python/tommost/

01 20:56:00 auchter right, i tend to get them confused for some reason

01 21:24:00 Blazeix Morasique: you mean besides the 'var = foo if condition else bar' thing?

01 21:24:00 Blazeix that works well enough for me

01 22:36:00 andy753421 auchter: where was that mkfile that you said you used to program the avr?

01 22:41:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/DwKpfu83.html

01 22:49:00 andy753421 ok, where is pwm.c?

01 22:50:00 andy753421 (i'm putting all this stuff on svn)

01 22:50:00 auchter it's a file for testing only; i wanted to clean up the mkfile and make it architecture dependent, so we don't have a ton of duplication

01 22:51:00 auchter i'll get the stuff into svn this weekend at some point

01 22:51:00 andy753421 to slow: http://rhitrobotics.org/browser/trunk/electronics/mcc

01 23:28:00 andy753421 apparently someone won the netflix prize

01 23:28:00 andy753421 er, at least the 'progress prize'

02 00:03:00 tommost --Morasique-- if criticism_unjustified else Morasique++

02 00:06:00 tommost Gimp 2.6... score!

02 00:06:00 andy753421 gegl++

02 00:55:00 tommost http://gtk.php.net/

02 00:55:00 tommost shudders

02 00:57:00 Morasique i tried using that once but i had tons of problems

02 00:58:00 tommost Morasique--

02 00:58:00 Morasique there was a time when i hated all languages but php

02 00:58:00 Morasique that's still true, except now i hate php too

02 01:00:00 tommost Python 2.6... score!

02 01:01:00 tommost experiences deja-vu.

02 01:01:00 andy753421 Yay, now I have a new release of python to refuse to install!

02 01:01:00 Morasique andy753421: yeah, it must've been getting boring only refusing to install 2.5

02 01:02:00 tommost Morasique: He caved a while ago.

02 01:02:00 andy753421 Morasique: yea, 2.5 went stable on gentoo

02 01:02:00 andy753421 but it should be at least another year before 2.6 goes stable :)

02 01:03:00 tommost from __future__ import print_function, unicode_literals

02 01:04:00 andy753421 i find it sad that print has to be imported form the future ;P

02 01:13:00 tommost *dèjávu

02 01:15:00 Morasique i'm not sure what makes stuff "unstable" on gentoo, i install unstable stuff on a regular basis and have no problems with it

02 01:16:00 auchter tommost: out of curiousity, what method do you use for accented character entry?

02 01:17:00 tommost I just set up Pidgin text replacements for combining grave and acute accents.

02 01:18:00 auchter ah, ok.

02 01:18:00 auchter i wish X's/linux's entry was as nice as plan 9's...

02 01:19:00 tommost I use the LaTeX notation—backslash backtick and backslash apostrophe—though because they are combining characters they come after the letter, not before.

02 01:19:00 tommost How is Plan9's nice?

02 01:19:00 auchter so, umlauted-u: alt, then :, then u

02 01:19:00 auchter eszett: alt, then s, then s

02 01:20:00 tommost Is that the German B thing?

02 01:20:00 auchter yes

02 01:20:00 tommost That sounds nice.

02 01:20:00 auchter it's very natural

02 01:21:00 tommost It looks like my troubles with Xpra are related to X keyboard settings, so I'm scared to try and fix them.

02 01:21:00 auchter i've never bothered to get AltGr stuff set up

02 01:21:00 tommost It sounds like there are terrible, terrible things going on there.

02 01:55:00 Morasique screams in fury and stabs python's lambda in the face

02 02:58:00 Morasique screams in fury and stabs his 'd' key in the face

02 03:49:00 Morasique damn it. i spent an hour chasing down a bug because i copied a variable instead of cloning it

02 09:28:00 tommost Morasique: What's the difference?

02 10:51:00 andy753421 does urxvt/bash have a keyboard shortcut to sent the screen to a printer or something?

02 10:52:00 andy753421 I keep finding hard copies of my terminal screens in my printer tray :/

02 10:55:00 auchter andy753421: printscreen does it for me

02 10:55:00 andy753421 pressing the printscreen button?

02 10:56:00 andy753421 i suppose that would make sense..

02 10:56:00 andy753421 yep, any idea how to turn that off?

02 10:59:00 auchter nope, no idea. how are you hitting that accidentally?

02 10:59:00 andy753421 beat's me

02 10:59:00 andy753421 maybe when i try to hit sys-rq keys?

02 11:18:00 quark do you guys know if you still have to register a devices mac address

02 11:22:00 quark root@speyerea-1:/home/quark# 00:21:47:2c::8a:9f

02 11:22:00 quark bash: 00:21:47:2c::8a:9f: command not found

02 11:22:00 quark woops

02 11:23:00 octavious quark: do you go to rose?

02 11:24:00 octavious your whois data puts you at okstate.edu..

02 11:26:00 Morasique tommost: http://pastebin.com/m50f712f9

02 11:31:00 quark i go to rose

02 11:31:00 quark i've met you before

02 11:32:00 quark i just have a shell on a buddies comp at okstate

02 11:32:00 quark probably don't remeber me though

02 11:32:00 quark it was sometime last year

02 11:32:00 quark i'm trying to get my ds on the network

02 11:32:00 quark it can't support wpa

02 11:32:00 quark but

02 11:33:00 quark i can connect to wireless routers in the dorms

02 11:33:00 quark so I figured i needed to register the mac of my ds

02 11:34:00 quark so i set my laptop to use the ds's mac

02 11:34:00 octavious eh, i usually clone the MAC on my laptop and register it that way

02 11:34:00 quark yeah

02 11:34:00 quark so when you clone it

02 11:34:00 quark with ifconfig

02 11:34:00 quark then you just open a browser and it asks for kerberos login stuffs?

02 11:35:00 quark the reason I ask is because

02 11:35:00 quark I cloned it

02 11:35:00 octavious yeah, after getting a DHCP lease, it will redirect all web traffic to the internal registration page

02 11:35:00 quark ran dhcpcd on it

02 11:35:00 quark got a rose ip

02 11:36:00 quark but when I opened my browser it wouldn't take me to the registration page

02 11:39:00 quark grr

02 11:44:00 quark makes no sense

02 11:53:00 tommost Morasique: Well, of course.

02 11:53:00 tommost This isn't PHP.

02 11:54:00 Morasique tommost: yes, i know of course, that's why i'm annoyed i did it and didn't notice for an hour

02 11:56:00 Morasique quark: what happens?

02 11:56:00 Morasique http://dna.rose-hulman.edu/

02 12:01:00 quark 403

02 12:01:00 quark whatever i just emailed iait

02 12:03:00 Morasique usually that means the mac is already registered

02 12:03:00 Morasique are you dropping your IP after you change your MAC?

02 12:16:00 quark yeah

02 12:17:00 quark thats what I thoguht

02 12:17:00 quark its odd

02 12:17:00 quark thats why I just emailed them

02 12:18:00 auchter quark: does https://dna.rose-hulman.edu work?

02 12:18:00 quark nah

02 12:18:00 quark it gives a 403

02 12:18:00 Blazeix quark: I have a roommate who is trying to get linux on his ds. Do you have the expanded memory card?

02 12:18:00 quark i have an m3 real

02 12:18:00 quark what do you mean by expanded

02 12:18:00 quark extra ram?

02 12:19:00 Blazeix Do you have the expanded memory card that fits into the game slot that adds ram?

02 12:19:00 quark nope

02 12:19:00 quark no extra ram

02 12:19:00 Blazeix o.k., thanks.

02 12:19:00 auchter someone should put inferno on the ds

02 12:19:00 quark the networking in dslinux kind of sucks

02 12:19:00 auchter i want to see it in action

02 12:19:00 quark no wpa

02 12:19:00 quark inferno?

02 12:19:00 auchter http://code.google.com/p/inferno-ds/

02 12:20:00 quark oh thats sick

02 12:20:00 auchter hell, i want to see linux on the ds

02 12:20:00 quark ardnew.com/~quark/ds_irssi.png

02 12:20:00 quark erm

02 12:21:00 quark ardnew.com/~quark/ds_irssi.jpg

02 12:21:00 quark dammit

02 12:21:00 quark ardnew.com/~quark/ds_irssi.jepg

02 12:21:00 quark there w go

02 12:21:00 auchter wow, fail

02 12:21:00 quark s/w/we

02 12:21:00 quark yeah

02 12:21:00 quark definatly

02 12:22:00 quark i have an atheros card at home, so I think I'm giong to put that in master mode and just connect my ds to that

02 12:22:00 quark its still lame because I'd haev to use my laptop

02 12:22:00 quark i really wish wpa would work on it

02 12:22:00 quark the cool thing about it is you can boot it up in a few seconds and jump get on the net

02 12:23:00 quark it defeats the purpose if I have to have my laptop too, i may as well just use it

02 12:26:00 Morasique apparently scheme uses #! ... !# for a comment block. it doesn't like shebangs

02 13:01:00 tommost I can just see the scheme designers: "Now, how can we make a comment block as difficult to type as possible... ?"

02 13:02:00 auchter tommost: they fail compared to the SGML designers.

02 13:03:00 tommost Indeed. Plus the SGML designers did the blindingly stupid "--" delimiter stuff.

02 13:05:00 Morasique hey, everyone: if you stole some guys backpack from the union, you should contact him to return it

02 13:05:00 Morasique in case you couldn't figure that out on your own

02 13:06:00 auchter but how would they ever be able to fnid a way to contact him without his cell phone number?

02 13:06:00 auchter it's not like there's a page where you can enter someones name to find their email address or anythiung

02 13:07:00 tommost Strangely, none of povilusr's four common nicks are in the room. Luckily, we have auchter.

02 13:08:00 auchter yeah, i'm failing at typing today; i'm still recovering from an exam this morning

02 13:08:00 auchter and preparing for another, as it were

02 13:08:00 tommost Fun.

02 13:09:00 tommost Is crr doing his intro to coreutils today?

02 13:09:00 auchter i believe so

02 13:10:00 tommost Some more warning on that would have been nice so that I could tell RT people to show up.

02 13:15:00 quark intro to coreutils o.o

02 13:16:00 Morasique auchter: i was thinking 6000, but that would work too

02 13:18:00 quark isn't that like....i don'tknow

02 13:18:00 quark elementary?

02 13:19:00 auchter it's sad how many people don't know how to use the command line

02 13:19:00 quark yeah but in the lug?

02 13:19:00 quark don't most of you know how to use it?

02 13:19:00 quark or are there alot of new people that go to thoes

02 13:20:00 auchter it varies. i think there won't be many who will be new..

02 13:20:00 auchter you could give a presentation on linux on the ds instead

02 13:20:00 quark haha

02 13:20:00 quark well

02 13:20:00 quark there isn't much to it...

02 13:20:00 quark what would i talk about

02 13:20:00 auchter no idea

02 13:21:00 Morasique new people specifically requested the coreutils presentation

02 13:21:00 quark ohh

02 13:21:00 quark could do it on the ds!

02 13:21:00 quark although its missing a lot

02 13:22:00 quark like chown and chmod

02 13:22:00 quark i really need to install slackware on my laptop

02 13:22:00 tommost What about on your DS?

02 13:22:00 quark tommost: huh?

02 13:23:00 quark doing the presentation on it?

02 13:23:00 tommost No, install slackware on your DS. You know you want to.

02 13:23:00 quark ohhh

02 13:23:00 quark no

02 13:23:00 quark i mean

02 13:23:00 quark it uses uClinux

02 13:24:00 quark it would be sweet to get a version of bsd on there though

02 13:24:00 quark you guys should do a presentation of pf and ipfw

02 13:24:00 auchter i could do pf one day

02 13:24:00 quark s/of/on

02 13:25:00 quark so much nicer than iptables

02 13:25:00 auchter pf >>>> iptables

02 13:25:00 auchter indeed.

02 13:25:00 quark ipfw too

02 13:25:00 tommost I finally have a CF card large enough to put BSD on for my MobilePro. That will be fun.

02 13:25:00 auchter i've never used ipfw

02 13:25:00 quark oh man

02 13:25:00 auchter pf's always worked well enough for me. plus, i've never liked freebsd.

02 13:26:00 quark there are certainly things that bug me about

02 13:26:00 quark but ports is great

02 13:27:00 auchter how is that differ from openbsd's ports?

02 13:27:00 auchter s/is/does/

02 13:27:00 quark fbsd's ports?

02 13:27:00 auchter yes

02 13:27:00 quark i'm not sure, i haven't used openbsd's version

02 13:28:00 quark i imagine they are quite similar

02 13:28:00 Morasique it seems pretty much the same as portage

02 13:28:00 quark except you can get binary packages a lot easier

02 13:29:00 auchter Morasique: where do you think gentoo got the idea? ;)

02 13:29:00 quark i've always wished portage would make it easier to install bin's

02 13:29:00 quark then it would be my favorite

02 13:29:00 quark but

02 13:29:00 auchter my computers are fast, i see no reason to use binary packages

02 13:30:00 quark for instance....

02 13:30:00 quark when you want something fast

02 13:30:00 quark and you don't want to wait for it

02 13:30:00 Morasique i use them only when the distributor makes me, but i've never found downloading the bin and putting it in distfiles particularly difficult

02 13:30:00 auchter i've never been that anxious for a piece of software.

02 13:31:00 quark in that same reguard, computers are fast, so you don't need to have compiled to your specifc needs...

02 13:31:00 Morasique i'm not sure how that worked at all. how are your needs connected to your computer speed?

02 13:31:00 quark the other day in comp arch. I needed to install spim to do this lab. I didn't have time to compile it

02 13:32:00 Morasique tommost: abandoning karma?

02 13:32:00 auchter i'd rather have a compilation fail than something fail at runtime when it can't find a specific version of a bloody library

02 13:32:00 quark i mean

02 13:32:00 quark whats the point of compiling everything for your system?

02 13:32:00 Morasique *damn it i know about the homecoming election*

02 13:32:00 Morasique sorry. i'm calm now

02 13:32:00 auchter uh, i can chose the options i want?

02 13:32:00 quark so you get the specific optimazations for your hardware?

02 13:32:00 Morasique quark: you can build in stuff you want and drop the rest

02 13:33:00 quark yeah that too

02 13:33:00 Morasique i care much less about the optimizations part

02 13:33:00 auchter example: rxvt-unicode is horrible if compiled with everything enabled

02 13:33:00 auchter with a few options disabled, it's by far the best terminal emulator

02 13:33:00 quark oh yeah

02 13:33:00 quark i use it

02 13:33:00 quark got it through apt I guess

02 13:33:00 quark I have no idea what was turned on or off

02 13:34:00 quark i'm going back to my roots anyways

02 13:34:00 auchter i'm guessing xft is enabled, which makes it apparently think it's ok to suck memory like firefox

02 13:34:00 quark and installing slackware

02 13:34:00 auchter i used slackware, but having decent package management rocks

02 13:34:00 quark you can put package management on top of it

02 13:34:00 quark i like gentoo as well, I run it on my desktop

02 13:34:00 auchter why would i want to do that?

02 13:35:00 quark i assume thats what you use

02 13:35:00 quark i just really like how slackware is layed out

02 13:35:00 auchter it is

02 13:35:00 quark man

02 13:35:00 Morasique auchter is actually a closet mac user

02 13:35:00 quark i go back an forth

02 13:35:00 Morasique i can tell

02 13:35:00 quark sometimes I think gentoo is the best

02 13:35:00 quark other times I just want to run slackware

02 13:37:00 quark i can't ever decide

02 13:37:00 quark maybe I will put gentoo back on here...

02 13:37:00 Morasique using multiple distros at once would annoy me, i have enough trouble using multiple computers with the same distro

02 13:37:00 quark all I know is, I'm done with ubuntu

02 13:37:00 quark it sucks

02 13:38:00 Morasique shields tommost's ears

02 13:38:00 Morasique too late

02 13:38:00 quark he already knows me feelings on it

02 13:38:00 tommost bursts into tears

02 13:39:00 auchter gentoo is where all rose people eventually end up

02 13:39:00 quark this coming from the guy that couldn't add me as a user becasue the gui account manager was broken

02 13:39:00 auchter i didn't believe it either, but you might as well give in and install gentoo, tommost

02 13:39:00 quark yeah

02 13:39:00 tommost It's not that I couldn't, it's that it wasn't worth the trouble of looking at the man page.

02 13:40:00 tommost I do it for RT all the time.

02 13:40:00 collinjc I think I am going to end up doing the same. I am getting more and more fed up with Ubuntu.

02 13:40:00 auchter collinjc++

02 13:40:00 tommost shadghost--

02 13:40:00 auchter ece300--

02 13:40:00 collinjc ece300-- indeed.

02 13:40:00 Morasique mccain--

02 13:40:00 quark i probably will end up just putting gentoo back on

02 13:40:00 auchter #rhpolitics! i forgot about that

02 13:40:00 kleinjt aerialbearhunting++

02 13:41:00 quark i just learned linux on slackware, it has a special place in my heart

02 13:41:00 Morasique i learned linux on ubuntu. no special place

02 13:41:00 quark the cool thing about learning linux on something like slackware is, it really makes you learn linux

02 13:41:00 collinjc I learned linux on suse. It can go die alone somewhere.

02 13:42:00 quark when you have to compile everything by hand you really learn to appreciate the package manager

02 13:43:00 kleinjt I learned linux on redhat 8, I happy it forked itself and died.

02 13:44:00 quark haha

02 13:44:00 quark that was actually the first disto i ever installed

02 13:44:00 quark but I had this usb wireless driver

02 13:44:00 quark erm wireless adapter

02 13:45:00 quark and I had no idea about how anything in linux worked

02 13:45:00 Morasique i think the first distro i ever installed was mandrake. it wasn't happy

02 13:45:00 quark so I googled and asked around and I was told to : ifconfig eth0 up

02 13:45:00 quark when that didn't make my wireless work I had to put windows 98 back on

02 13:45:00 Morasique windows 98. nice

02 13:46:00 quark rpm's are terrible

02 13:46:00 quark they get into thoes dependency loops

02 13:47:00 collinjc I want to make a breakfast cereal called that.

02 13:47:00 Morasique i would buy that

02 13:47:00 quark i used fedora for this company I worked for last summer, on all their production servers and the only thing I liked about it was its out-of-the-box support for really obsecure hardware like raid cards

02 13:48:00 quark i think they had some centos boxes too but I woudln't touch thoes

02 13:48:00 Morasique fedora...my old nemesis

02 13:49:00 quark auchter: i'm putting inferno on my ds right now

02 13:49:00 collinjc I still need to get Linux on my DS. I would probably use it a lot more if that were the case.

02 13:50:00 quark its super easy

02 13:50:00 collinjc My Wii seems to get more use as an FTP server than it does as a Wii.

02 13:51:00 quark collinjc: what kind of flashcart do you have?

02 13:52:00 collinjc Right now, what is in it is a 2GB high speed. I haven't tried anything bigger.

02 13:52:00 quark not the sd card

02 13:52:00 collinjc Mainly because the FTP server is running off of that card and I haven't bothered to transfer it to my 4GB or 8GB to see if it works.

02 13:53:00 quark the flash cart is what you put the sdcard in so the ds can read it

02 13:53:00 collinjc I don't have one, which is why my DS doesn't have Linux on it yet.

02 13:53:00 quark oo

02 13:53:00 quark so I got inferno on here

02 13:53:00 quark its got a cool little wm

02 13:54:00 quark but I don't see how you type

02 13:54:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/81963/

02 13:54:00 quark nevermind

02 13:54:00 quark found it

02 13:54:00 collinjc quark: Is there a specific one you'd recommend? I've been meaning to buy one for about a year and a half now.

02 13:54:00 quark umm

02 13:54:00 quark i have an m3 real

02 13:54:00 quark it was like 30 bucks and its easy to use

02 13:55:00 quark it doesn't have extra ram though

02 13:55:00 collinjc Is it compatible with the RAM from the DS browser?

02 13:55:00 quark and its a little laggy with big games every once in a while, other than that its great

02 13:55:00 quark not sure

02 13:55:00 quark i don't have that

02 13:55:00 collinjc Probably just as well. It is painfully slow.

02 13:55:00 collinjc Functional. But slow.

02 14:00:00 quark how do you run that?

02 14:01:00 quark oh

02 14:01:00 quark its a game

02 14:01:00 quark do you have to have a memory expansion for it?

02 14:02:00 collinjc Yeah, you do.

02 14:02:00 collinjc It came with the additional RAM.

02 14:02:00 quark damn

02 14:03:00 quark the browser is on nds-roms

02 14:03:00 quark but since I have no ram expansion i guess its pointless

02 14:29:00 auchter quark: you should bring your ds to the lug meeting

02 15:00:00 Morasique why? why! i will bet anybody in here i can guess arif khan's major. anyone?

02 15:01:00 auchter what?

02 15:02:00 Morasique we got an all-campus e-mail from an ME. how do i know he's an ME? because the e-mail is stupid and pointless

02 15:03:00 Morasique if you found a white casio calculator with an ocean blue back and "arif khan" printed on it, would anybody not think "hey, i should contact him". do we really need an e-mail telling us to do that?

02 15:04:00 Morasique i'm on the fence about actually e-mailing him and telling him that. i think i will

02 16:21:00 tommost kleinjt: What's up?

02 16:23:00 kleinjt zwha? I got your email, some time after lug work work

02 16:23:00 tommost Okay.

02 16:23:00 tommost Rob and I are working on it right now.

02 16:27:00 kleinjt Ok. I was planning getting dinner in about fifteen minutes, so I won't be over.

02 16:27:00 tommost That's fine.

02 17:17:00 Morasique auchter: you better get here soon, crr is acting president

02 17:17:00 Morasique he's using dictatorial authority

02 17:17:00 Morasique i'm scared

02 17:17:00 TBoneULS and hes demanding money

02 17:17:00 Morasique a lot of money

02 17:38:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/en_winxp_pro_with_sp2.iso

02 17:40:00 octavious yay piracy!

02 17:45:00 quark auchter: yeah I'm already off campus I guess I missed it

02 17:45:00 quark i can bring it next week

02 17:47:00 quark i don't really ever go to the lugs

02 17:47:00 quark maybe I should sometime

02 17:49:00 tommost You should.

02 17:50:00 TBoneULS i poke badgers with spoons

02 17:51:00 octavious quark: its okay. i rarely go either. thurs at 5:15 really arent good..

02 18:04:00 quark i just feel like my lug is irc

02 18:04:00 quark i mean

02 18:04:00 quark I really don't want to sit through an intro to coreutils...

02 18:05:00 quark some advanced shit I'd be intrested in though

02 18:05:00 quark are you guys all at the lug?

02 18:06:00 andy753421 quark: yes

02 18:07:00 andy753421 the coreutils took like 5 minutes because every there already know about coreutils

02 18:07:00 andy753421 we're trying to get x11 to run on the sunblade though

02 18:07:00 quark maybe I'll come next week

02 18:12:00 Morasique octavious: the xp iso was legal, actually :)

02 18:26:00 andy753421 #rhpolitics

02 19:13:00 auchter looks like schedules for winter quarter are posted

02 19:24:00 shadghost kleinjt--

02 19:24:00 tommost shadghost--

02 19:25:00 tommost (Law of conservation of karma.)

02 19:25:00 shadghost kleinjt: hi

02 19:26:00 kleinjt shadghost-- : hi

02 19:32:00 shadghost kleinjt: hows classes going?

02 19:35:00 kleinjt shadghost: busy.

02 19:35:00 shadghost kleinjt: same here, stupid math class with a test tormmrow

02 19:35:00 shadghost kleinjt: but we did have the bond fires last week

02 19:36:00 kleinjt I didn't know the economic situation in fairbanks was so bad y'all were burning money

02 19:36:00 shadghost http://picasaweb.google.com/Shadghost/StarvationGulch08#5251211969717810834

02 19:36:00 kleinjt for warmpth

02 19:36:00 auchter kleinjt++

02 19:36:00 kleinjt er. s/warmpth/warmth

02 19:39:00 tommost kleinjt++

02 21:31:00 tommost auchter++

02 22:19:00 andy753421 are they not offering robotics and teamwork anymore?

02 22:19:00 tommost Hm?

02 22:20:00 andy753421 ah, tommost wasn't around for that

02 22:20:00 andy753421 it's a mutchler class where you help kids play with legos

02 22:21:00 Morasique that was ever a class? i thought that was always a volunteer thing

02 22:21:00 andy753421 nope, i got credit for it freshman year

02 22:22:00 tommost Crazy.

02 23:26:00 Blazeix awesome. I'm reading an article about an AI, and part of the AI is the "fusion layer"

02 23:26:00 Blazeix All my programs from now on will have something called the fusion layer

02 23:28:00 andy753421 is angel working for anyone else?

02 23:29:00 tommost I can log in.

02 23:29:00 auchter as can i (first time this year, actually)

02 23:29:00 andy753421 alright, the page isn't responding at all for me :/

02 23:30:00 andy753421 must be a problem with my connection

03 00:06:00 Morasique i wonder if wollowski intentionally had a project, a writeup of a 42 page paper, and a project proposal all due on the same day

03 00:08:00 Mishtal to see how many people managed to get it done for his own sadistic amusement? i think i twas on purpose

03 00:11:00 Blazeix Morasique: for the writeup, I've been reading less and less of each page until now I'm skipping entire pages.

03 00:11:00 Blazeix And I'm only on page 23 of 42

03 00:12:00 Morasique awesome. i'm still working on other stuff, i haven't even started that yet

03 00:12:00 Morasique i'm considering skipping all my homework and playing urban terror

03 00:13:00 Blazeix Joel just gave me the recut version of star wars episode I. I'm considering watching that instead.

03 00:13:00 Blazeix All of the custom testing software that they use in the AI paper is running on ubuntu.

03 00:14:00 Blazeix or at least a system with ubuntu-like window decorations

03 00:15:00 tommost How...interesting?

03 00:19:00 Blazeix tommost: You bet. I'm trying to avoid reading the paper. #rhlug is helping me achieve this task.

03 00:20:00 tommost If you want a distraction, large machines are cutting logs on National Geographic channel.

03 00:21:00 tommost They're currently preventing me from doing disco.

03 00:21:00 auchter begins looking through his music collection for disco

03 00:22:00 tommost Have any Wings?

03 00:23:00 auchter nope, i've decided to stick with schoenberg for now, maybe after this is over

03 00:23:00 kleinjt pilot crackers and honey taste awesome

03 00:24:00 tommost I bet they do.

03 00:24:00 tommost * + honey = awesome

03 00:24:00 tommost Also, * + lemon juice = awesome

03 00:24:00 tommost Consequentially, * + honey + lemon juice = double awesome

03 00:25:00 kleinjt I drank tea + honey + lemon juice a lot last year, because unless I added lemon juice scum built up on the tea.

03 00:25:00 auchter that's usually a sign that something's horribly wrong with however you're making tea.

03 00:26:00 auchter also, tea needs no additives

03 00:26:00 auchter what the british do to their tea is awful.

03 00:26:00 tommost I agree. What's the point of making tea sweet? It's no longer tea.

03 00:26:00 kleinjt yes, using terre haute water is going horribly wrong. I've switched to tea with filtered water and I haven't needed to add lemon juice

03 00:26:00 tommost It's cheating. Which is why I don't like most tea; it tastes awful.

03 00:26:00 kleinjt and I was making iced tea, hot tea I tend to drink straight

03 00:27:00 auchter ok, i guess that's better

03 00:27:00 tommost kleinjt: Your licorice tea was delicious.

03 00:27:00 kleinjt fruity herbal tea + honey is a good combination for iced tea

03 00:27:00 tommost I still have some of your other teas. Would you like them back?

03 00:27:00 kleinjt yes, if you still have the canadian tea, I've been looking for it.

03 00:27:00 auchter ugh, fruity tea.

03 00:28:00 tommost The weird inuit tea? Yeah.

03 00:28:00 kleinjt yeah, I thought I took that with me :/

03 00:28:00 kleinjt It is pretty tasty, but smells uh.. unconventional

03 00:29:00 tommost Well, I don't have much of a sense of smell, but I'd have to agree. It totally ruined it for me.

03 00:30:00 kleinjt I got it on clearance in pond inlet, the locals apparently didn't like it much.

03 00:30:00 tommost Hehe.

03 00:31:00 tommost Blazeix: Now they're trimming the plywood.

03 00:31:00 auchter that sounds like a euphemism.

03 00:32:00 tommost Now it's cheese.

03 00:48:00 kleinpa anyone here know the CS department? what do you think of "clifton"?

03 00:50:00 tommost Morasique?

03 00:50:00 Morasique ?

03 00:50:00 Morasique i think everyone in here knows "clifton"

03 00:51:00 andy7534211 yea, he's a pretty good guy

03 00:51:00 andy7534211 why do you ask?

03 00:51:00 Morasique he's one of the few cs professors i actually like, i've chosen classes just because he's teaching them

03 00:54:00 auchter yeah, curt's excellent

03 00:54:00 Blazeix I'm a fan of curt, mellor, and wollowski. Everyone else is meh.

03 00:55:00 andy7534211 i like mutchler, but he doesn't teach any upper level classes

03 00:55:00 tommost I like Archana, too.

03 00:56:00 auchter archana's ok when she's not using dyknow

03 00:56:00 Blazeix archana was excellent for networks, but I intensely disliked her comp arch class

03 00:56:00 Morasique the only time i ever had archana was comp arch 1, and she sucked terribly

03 00:56:00 tommost Yeah, I just had her for networks.

03 00:57:00 tommost I'm liking Mellor for Comp Arch.

03 00:57:00 auchter i've had her for networks and OS. for networks it was fine; OS i intensely disliked the lectures

03 00:57:00 auchter also, OS is boring

03 00:57:00 andy7534211 os was just a bad class

03 00:57:00 auchter indeed, i was really looking forward to it, too

03 00:58:00 Morasique i had mellor for os, it wasn't bad

03 00:58:00 andy7534211 we didn't really learn much in that class though, besides C which I already knew

03 00:58:00 Blazeix I've only ever had mellor for graphics. That's a field he really likes, so he was good for that.

03 00:59:00 auchter too little time dedicated to concurrency, too.

03 00:59:00 auchter yeah, i had jp for computer vision, an area he also rather likes

03 00:59:00 andy7534211 too little time dedicated to operating systems, too ;)

03 01:00:00 auchter yeah, the project was boring and not actually really anything to do with operating systems

03 01:00:00 Morasique i'm told they dropped the project this year

03 01:00:00 andy7534211 yea, they switched it to a shell

03 01:01:00 andy7534211 the shell was supposed to be ~2-3 weeks and then another project too, but the second project never actually happened

03 01:01:00 auchter well, we did a shell, but it was a pretty pathetic one; from what i remember last year, they switched to something that's actually moderately useful

03 01:03:00 tommost When am I supposed to take OS?

03 01:03:00 auchter whenever, nothing really depends on it.

03 01:04:00 Morasique i think winter sophomore is the cs spot

03 01:04:00 andy7534211 next semester I think

03 01:04:00 tommost Hmm. I'm wondering if I could delay it and it would improve again.

03 01:05:00 andy7534211 tommost: unlikely

03 01:05:00 tommost :(

03 01:05:00 andy7534211 they'll probably try to improve some other class

03 01:05:00 tommost Well, I could use learning C better.

03 01:06:00 auchter you won't actually learn C in there, you'll just write horribly simple programs

03 01:07:00 andy7534211 you'll learn some C in the project[s]

03 01:08:00 tommost Well, if I try using glib I'll learn something nonetheless.

03 01:08:00 auchter you'll learn some moderately useful things, like shm, semaphores (ugh), and fork/exec etc.

03 01:08:00 andy7534211 well, assuming you've never used C before, you'll at least learn the basic stuff, (pointers, structs, etc)

03 01:09:00 tommost I've done networks.

03 01:09:00 tommost I've learned how much non-typedef'd structs suck.

03 01:09:00 Morasique os convinced me i was right to hate C. on the other hand, it also made me not try C++ for ages

03 01:09:00 auchter wait, what?

03 01:10:00 auchter that was to tom

03 01:10:00 tommost If you forget the "struct" in an argument declaration you get nonsensical errors.

03 01:10:00 andy7534211 i don't see the point of using typedefs and non typdefs

03 01:11:00 tommost Some of the structs you use in socket programming aren't typedef'd; you have no choice in the matter.

03 01:11:00 tommost It also doesn't use stdint.h

03 01:11:00 auchter if i remember the error correctly, that happens whenever you do something stupid with types

03 01:11:00 tommost :(

03 01:14:00 andy7534211 also, anonymous structs are awesome ;)

03 01:14:00 andy7534211 http://rafb.net/p/6fPsQU18.html

03 01:15:00 auchter that's painful

03 01:15:00 auchter you're free to use anonymous structs, just typedef them ;)

03 01:16:00 andy7534211 hey, this leads me to an idea, there's really three namespaces for structures: struct, typedef, and #define ;)

03 01:16:00 auchter i'm glad you're not serious about using the third...

03 01:16:00 tommost Whee!

03 01:37:00 Morasique are we meeting next week?

03 01:38:00 auchter of course

03 01:38:00 Morasique er. by next week i of course meant the week after

03 01:39:00 auchter i won't be there

03 11:23:00 Morasique cary's signature would probably look good if my e-mail client used a monospace font. it doesn't

03 11:25:00 auchter eh, i think email clients should default to monospaced fonts

03 11:30:00 auchter ``IMPORTANT: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Ring Day October 3rd & 4th!''

03 11:30:00 auchter erm, can someone explain to me how that's important?

03 11:53:00 Morasique auchter: at least they didn't flag it with high importance

03 11:54:00 Morasique i've had a rule for a while that changes any e-mail with high importance to low importance. it's served me well

03 11:54:00 Morasique wow class rings are expensive

03 11:54:00 Morasique that's depressing

03 11:55:00 auchter s/expensive/pointless/

03 11:59:00 Morasique well, that too, but if they were cheap and pointless i'd be less sad

03 14:34:00 Morasique Blazeix's firefox puts a blue glow around the focused text field. Like a mac

03 14:34:00 Morasique just thought i'd share that

03 14:39:00 tommost Angel is sooo... slooow...

03 14:41:00 tommost stabs Angel.

03 14:42:00 RHIT_ANGEL is impervious to all attacks

03 14:42:00 RHIT_ANGEL MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

03 14:42:00 RHIT_ANGEL tommost--

03 14:47:00 andy_plan9 eek, what's going on?

03 14:48:00 Morasique i think wollowski thinks java invented OO

03 14:49:00 tommost hurts

03 14:50:00 tommost andy753421: That's silly. Everyone knows that C++ invented it.

03 14:50:00 andy753421 s/andy753421/Morasique

03 14:51:00 tommost Er, yeah.

03 14:57:00 octavious http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=766&Itemid=

03 14:57:00 octavious oddly relevant

03 15:05:00 Morasique tommost: nice: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/foo.log

03 15:05:00 tommost :D

03 15:05:00 tommost I need to fix the caching headers on that page.

03 15:06:00 tommost I visited before the rollover this month and it got cached, which produced confusing results when I tried to visit it after the rollover.

03 15:08:00 Morasique apparently they added a new process state in 2.6.25 because of openafs' propensity to freeze up and refuse to die

03 15:08:00 Morasique i remember giving up on openafs because of that problem

03 15:09:00 andy753421 Morasique: link?

03 15:09:00 Morasique http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-task-killable/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw03TASK_KILLABLE

03 15:13:00 andy753421 interesting, i wonder if this means i'll be able to kill off tasks waiting on dead sshfs connections

03 15:14:00 tommost Mm... It's annoying when awesome-menu's tab completion freezes it up when it tries to list my home directory.

03 15:23:00 Morasique i didn't even know there was an awesome-menu, for some reason i use dmenu

03 15:24:00 tommost They're pretty much identical, right?

03 15:24:00 Morasique yeah, although awesome-menu looks like the awesome statusbars, which is nice

03 15:26:00 tommost So a guy in this 120 class threw up earlier, and now I'm feeling a stomachache.

03 15:26:00 tommost I'm worried that the ARA poisoned everyone.

03 15:26:00 Morasique intentionally or accidentally?

03 15:26:00 tommost Accidentally.

03 15:27:00 tommost Er, I mean, he threw up accidentally.

03 15:27:00 tommost The poisoning would definitely be intentional.

03 15:30:00 andy753421 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/02/ST2008100202174.html

03 15:31:00 andy753421 in related news, don't buy the cheap coconut milk from wal-mart

03 15:32:00 Morasique there's a brief about that in the thorn today

03 15:32:00 auchter hah, awesome

03 15:33:00 Morasique i like how they gathered all the students together to tell them about how it's highly contagious

03 15:33:00 Morasique solid plan

03 15:35:00 Morasique "Aramark is the food contractor for the dining hall. An Aramark spokesman declined to comment last night."

03 15:35:00 Morasique of course

03 15:35:00 Morasique tommost: feel free to stay away from me until we've determined if you have a highly contagious norovirus

03 15:36:00 auchter yeah, i think i'll just test out the robotics stuff myself..

03 15:36:00 jboticsource i got sick last year once maybe twice from the food

03 15:37:00 jboticsource i also think i got some form a salmonella at catapult

03 16:16:00 tommost My stomachache is receding somewhat.

03 16:26:00 Morasique sure it is

03 16:31:00 Morasique awesome, another calculator seeker i can e-mail

03 16:41:00 CuriousStranger Morasique: why should one switch to ZSH?

03 16:41:00 Morasique i'm glad you asked, CuriousStranger. this is why: http://successtheory.com/tips/zshtips.html

03 16:41:00 CuriousStranger Morasique: thanks!

03 16:49:00 auchter Morasique: i'd be careful, it looks like she's from detroit...

03 16:49:00 Morasique daryl just walked in, put his hand on the printer, and left

03 16:50:00 Morasique uh oh, now he's touching the sun machine

03 16:51:00 auchter i saw him at java haute this morning, oddly enough

03 17:27:00 andy753421 oh, i tried xorg 7.4 and it still failed

03 17:27:00 andy753421 the ati driver is labeled 6.9 which is strange though

03 18:00:00 tommost I don't feel sick any more. :)

03 18:12:00 Morasique or you've been taken over by an alien parasite that wants to lure us into a trap. i've seen "the invasion"

03 18:25:00 andy753421 http://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/

03 18:30:00 minifig904 Wait... didn't tommost try to fix my desktop last night?

03 18:30:00 minifig904 w/e

03 18:52:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/2zXc5z50.html

03 18:52:00 andy753421 any idea how to reinstall a package in debian?

03 18:54:00 minifig904 Why wouldn't it be remove/install?

03 18:54:00 andy753421 i'm not sure what the -dev means, but i would be a bit worried about removing anything containing the term 'libc'

03 18:55:00 minifig904 I'm not seeing a dedicated reinstall action in aptitude or apt-get.

03 18:55:00 minifig904 There might be another command I'm missing?

03 18:55:00 andy753421 apparently you can do it manually with dpkg

03 18:55:00 minifig904 Oh, that'd be why.

03 18:56:00 minifig904 I don't touch dpkg. If apt-get or aptitude can't help, I give up and move on.

03 18:57:00 andy753421 yea, i think our disk managed to get corrupted :(

03 18:57:00 andy753421 so i'm updating whatever I can in hopes that that fixes the bad files

03 18:57:00 minifig904 >.<

03 18:58:00 andy753421 ooh, more libssl security hole messages ;)

03 18:59:00 minifig904 Kinda strange... we about the most security flaws from secure stuff.

03 19:23:00 cgiirc741 Hey dude..

03 19:23:00 cgiirc741 I am a CS freshman who just got an invitation for interview at ventures

03 19:23:00 cgiirc741 Any one who has been at ventures before?

03 19:24:00 cgiirc741 First question, how do I get there?

03 19:39:00 Blazeix cgiirc741: You know when you are getting on highway? Don't get on the highway, just pass under it

03 19:39:00 Blazeix its on your left

03 19:39:00 Blazeix http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:official&hs=o4E&q=Rose-hulman%20ventures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

03 19:51:00 Blazeix does anyone know what time they are lighting the bonfire?

03 20:07:00 ferrelaj What time does the bonfire get lit?

03 20:22:00 andy753421 anyone know how to make python-serial work with python 2.5 on debian?

03 21:08:00 Morasique there's a guy in the apartment who liked to dribble a basketball while in his room on the second floor. $5 to anyone who makes him stop; i don't care what methods you use

03 21:59:00 minifig904 andy753421: @python-serial, join #firstrobotics on freenode, and talk to astro73 or astronouth7303

03 22:20:00 andy753421 when I was in percopo the people above us played a game that involved spinning bowling pins on their fingers.. they weren't very good at it

03 22:20:00 Morasique it's very odd seeing lug people outside of lug. i think seeing auchter at the bonfire is the first time i've seen him outside the cs lab

03 22:23:00 auchter Morasique: you're frightening as well

03 22:23:00 andy753421 oh, i missed both of you

03 22:25:00 Morasique auchter: i didn't say you were frightening. although, yes, you were

03 22:25:00 Morasique i saw tommost too, he looked miserable. although that might be from the alien infection he's battling

03 22:43:00 tommost fumes about people disconnecting routers' power.

03 22:44:00 andy753421 at least you don't have people mistaking the server power cable for the refrigerators.. grumble grumble

03 22:52:00 Morasique why were people unplugging the refrigerator?

03 22:52:00 andy753421 um, they were pluggin in a multi-outlet

03 22:55:00 minifig904 nutcases.

03 22:55:00 minifig904 Trace the stupid cable!

03 22:58:00 Morasique by default java on macs puts the menu bar inside the window instead of at the top

03 22:58:00 Morasique java++

03 22:58:00 minifig904 yay for inconsistency?

03 22:58:00 Morasique it's actually apple's choice, i'm not sure why they did that. you can change a system property to have it show up at the top

03 22:59:00 minifig904 still

03 22:59:00 minifig904 match what everyone else is doing

03 22:59:00 Morasique i imagine there was some technical reason they did it, maybe java programs were having problems with it

03 23:00:00 minifig904 I think java programs by default have a java look and feel, which is inconsistent in every way....

03 23:00:00 minifig904 But that may or may not be relevant.

03 23:19:00 andy753421 ough, i wish slashdot would quit adding useless javascript

03 23:45:00 octavious fortunately, RSS feeds dont contain the javascript..

04 01:13:00 auchter i should really subscribe to rss feeds

04 01:13:00 auchter but actually having to put effort into my distractions

04 01:15:00 tommost I find that it allows me to more efficiently process my distractions.

04 01:16:00 minifig904 I find that it lets me procrastinate my optimized distractions

04 02:01:00 auchter but indeed, slashdot has gone downhill steeper than normal these past few weeks

04 02:49:00 Morasique why can the java library made by adobe not process most kinds of pdfs? that makes no sense

04 02:50:00 tommost More troubling: why do you care?

04 02:51:00 Morasique because we were considering using it for senior project

04 02:51:00 Morasique so far it's the only free library we've found that can even display pdfs at all

04 02:51:00 Morasique but it messes up a lot of them

04 02:51:00 tommost What happened to Blazeix's mockup?

04 02:51:00 tommost What did he use there?

04 02:52:00 Morasique he used imagemagick to convert to an image and gimp to edit it

04 02:53:00 Morasique and then some python pdf thing to combine the image edits with the original pdf

04 02:53:00 Morasique the problem we're having is showing the pdf

04 02:53:00 Morasique tons of libraries can edit them, none can paint them on a window

04 02:53:00 tommost What does Evince use?

04 02:53:00 Morasique poppler

04 02:54:00 Morasique it only works with X though

04 02:54:00 tommost Shame.

04 02:54:00 tommost The homepage mentions something about a Cairo backend.

04 02:55:00 tommost How can it not be cross-platform?

04 02:56:00 Morasique i don't know, maybe it does work cross-platform. i thought it used xpdf, and xpdf is X-only

04 02:57:00 tommost Cairo goes very nicely with GTK+...

04 02:57:00 tommost What widget toolkit did you decide on?

04 02:58:00 Morasique we wanted to use wxwidgets

04 03:52:00 Morasique anybody know a way to check if an avi is complete without playing it?

04 11:27:00 kleinjt sl is an amazing command.

04 11:28:00 tommost :D

04 11:31:00 auchter Morasique: doesn't X work rather well on all platforms?

04 11:32:00 tommost I'm guessing that it just won't have that "native feel" that Curt needs on his Mac.

04 13:10:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, i'm all about the native mac feel. it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside

04 13:57:00 Administrator_ does anybody know which gentoo architecture i should download for the nw8440, i would like to get 64-bit gentoo

04 13:57:00 auchter Administrator_: sophomore laptop or junior laptop?

04 13:57:00 Administrator_ sophomore

04 13:58:00 auchter 64-bit will work fine

04 13:58:00 Administrator_ i've tried the amd64 and it will not boot

04 13:58:00 Administrator_ it freezes when the isolinux line appears

04 13:58:00 auchter i seem to remember one of their isos besing broken, were you using the minimal disc?

04 13:58:00 Administrator_ yes

04 13:59:00 Administrator_ should i get the live cd?

04 13:59:00 auchter no, the minimal should work

04 13:59:00 Administrator_ i dont know what to do then, i've checked the md5 on the iso i DL

04 13:59:00 Administrator_ 'ed

04 13:59:00 Administrator_ and then verified the disc after being burnt, its the right disc it just doesnt work

04 14:00:00 auchter hm that's weird, i'm sure someone else has used amd64 gentoo on their laptop.

04 14:00:00 auchter does the x86 version work fine?

04 14:01:00 Administrator_ i haven't tried that

04 14:01:00 Administrator_ i thought it was 32 bit though

04 14:01:00 andy753421 Administrator_: does it give any sort of error?

04 14:01:00 Administrator_ it did one time

04 14:01:00 Administrator_ but most it just freezes

04 14:01:00 Administrator_ and i have to hard reboot

04 14:02:00 andy753421 where in the boot process does it freeze?

04 14:02:00 Administrator_ almost immediately, right after the line that says isolinx started copyright andrew _____

04 14:02:00 andy753421 interesting, so it must be a kernel problem

04 14:03:00 andy753421 try one of the alternate kernels

04 14:03:00 Administrator_ got a recomendation

04 14:03:00 andy753421 what are the options?

04 14:04:00 andy753421 disabling framebuffer might be good

04 14:04:00 Administrator_ in the bios?

04 14:04:00 andy753421 on in the kernel

04 14:04:00 Administrator_ i dont see any other alternte isos

04 14:04:00 Administrator_ http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml

04 14:05:00 andy753421 there should be alternate kernels on the same iso

04 14:05:00 andy753421 when you boot i'm guessing it says something like 'press enter to boot or f2 for more options'

04 14:05:00 Administrator_ nope

04 14:06:00 Administrator_ my comp loads then the screen that says like F9 for boot ption f10 to config rom, then after that goes away it starts to load the disc

04 14:06:00 andy753421 hm..

04 14:06:00 andy753421 is that screen from the bios or from the iso?

04 14:06:00 Administrator_ bios

04 14:08:00 Administrator_ (i have to reboot my machine brb)

04 14:11:00 Administrator_ back

04 14:11:00 andy753421 so it might not even be getting to the kernel, which would be really strange

04 14:12:00 Administrator_ i agree, why would it freeze before it even does anything

04 14:12:00 andy753421 well, it is doing things

04 14:12:00 andy753421 but i've never heard of isolinux freezing before

04 14:12:00 Administrator_ is the x86 disc 64bit?

04 14:12:00 Administrator_ i may try that

04 14:13:00 auchter no, x86 is 32-bit

04 14:13:00 andy753421 the disk you use really doesn't matter

04 14:13:00 auchter indeed

04 14:13:00 andy753421 i've installed gentoo from the gentoo disk, an ubunto disk, a rescue disk, and from another partition

04 14:14:00 andy753421 the only thing you need is basically tar, wget :)

04 14:14:00 Administrator_ <= n00b here

04 14:14:00 andy753421 just use another cd you have laying around, or burn a copy of the x86 one

04 14:14:00 Administrator_ another cd of what?

04 14:15:00 andy753421 linux

04 14:15:00 Administrator_ guess i wont try gentoo then

04 14:15:00 andy753421 eh?

04 14:15:00 Administrator_ you said use a different linux disc, i assumed you meant just use a different distro

04 14:16:00 andy753421 you can install gentoo from a boot disk for another distro with no problems

04 14:16:00 andy753421 well, no problems related to the boot disk ;)

04 14:16:00 Administrator_ oooo

04 14:16:00 Administrator_ is there a guide for that

04 14:16:00 andy753421 you can just use the normal guide

04 14:16:00 Administrator_ ok ill try that

04 14:17:00 Administrator_ thx

04 14:18:00 andy753421 fyi, bash.org is back online :)

04 14:19:00 Morasique oh, cool

04 16:09:00 auchter kvm -daemonize -vnc is pretty awesome.

04 21:53:00 tommost Talkative today, aren't we.

04 21:54:00 tommost auchter: Using RDP v5 gets you clipboard sharing.

04 21:56:00 auchter yes, but kvm doesn't support RDP

04 21:59:00 tommost Windows supports RDP.

04 22:00:00 auchter yes, but i use kvm for more than just windows

04 22:00:00 tommost What else? Plan 9?

04 22:00:00 auchter also, i performed a windows install over VNC today from a coffee shop; if i recall correctly, the windows installer doesn't serve rdp

04 22:00:00 auchter yes, plan 9

04 22:01:00 tommost Oh, well, yeah.

04 22:02:00 andy753421 i'm really confused, how did this conversation about RDP start?

04 22:02:00 tommost http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#line-1056

04 22:02:00 andy753421 ah i see

04 22:03:00 andy753421 i missed that line because it didn't show up in a search for `rdp' :)

05 01:04:00 minifig904 OK, I read the man pages for sshd and ssh_config, and I got it setup so I can log in to my desktop with username-only, but how do I set it up so that I don't even need a username to log in, it just logs in based on the key?

05 01:05:00 tommost Er, surely you always need a username. Otherwise, how can it know what user to log in as?

05 01:05:00 tommost If you don't want to specify it, put it in your .ssh/conf.

05 01:06:00 minifig904 OK, I'll look at the man page again...

05 01:07:00 minifig904 I'm assuming you mean the ~/.ssh/...

05 01:07:00 tommost Yeah.

05 01:07:00 andy753421 i tend to set up shell aliases for ssh to machines I use on a regular basis

05 01:08:00 tommost Oh, it's ~/.ssh/config

05 01:08:00 minifig904 OK, good to know.

05 01:08:00 tommost The format is basically:

05 01:08:00 tommost Host hostname_or_ip

05 01:08:00 tommost User username

05 01:08:00 minifig904 The config keywords were the part that confused me -- Oh, ok.

05 01:09:00 tommost You can also specify HostName, which means that you can alias any name to the full hostname. For example, I have jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu aliased to jame.

05 01:10:00 minifig904 OK, I was hoping I could do it based on public key, since I've already got PuTTY/pageant submitting a key.

05 01:10:00 minifig904 and oh yeah, I haven't figured out how to tell windows to reserve a *.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu hostname

05 01:12:00 minifig904 Sounds like IdentityFile would work for that?

05 01:13:00 tommost I don't know. Try it?

05 01:14:00 minifig904 Aren't you the guy that messed with my grub-config? :P

05 01:14:00 tommost looks around nonchalantly

05 01:15:00 tommost If it makes my actions seem less strange, I used to have a computer where I had to edit the grub conf every time I wanted to boot to a different operating system (it was a dual Windows/Linux machine).

05 01:15:00 tommost So I do have experience touching them regularly.

05 01:16:00 minifig904 Oh well.

05 01:16:00 minifig904 With my desktop, I just rotate the hard drives.

05 01:16:00 minifig904 Which is worse?

05 01:16:00 tommost I had partitions, so I couldn't. Plus my HDD would have been PATA, so I'd rather mess with the config file.

05 01:17:00 minifig904 Oh, I leave one disconnected.

05 01:17:00 minifig904 They're both set to master, so I just move the cables.

05 01:18:00 tommost Oh, I assumed that you had SATA drives.

05 01:18:00 minifig904 SATA? On an AMD64?

05 01:18:00 minifig904 Kinda borderline...

05 01:19:00 tommost Yeah, I probably should remember from before, but I was kinda entranced by your fans.

05 01:19:00 minifig904 lol

05 01:20:00 minifig904 OK, looking up the syntax of ~/.ssh/id_rsa is proving kinda challenging... google?

05 01:20:00 tommost Er, what?

05 01:20:00 tommost It's a key file. It's not really editable.

05 01:21:00 minifig904 Oh, great.

05 01:21:00 minifig904 That helps...

05 01:21:00 tommost You can make a new one with ssh-keygen...

05 01:21:00 minifig904 I thought it was a keylisting.

05 01:21:00 tommost I don't know why, though.

05 01:21:00 minifig904 Trick is I already have a key...

05 01:22:00 tommost No, no. There's a listing in known_hosts or something like that, though.

05 01:22:00 tommost Yeah, known_hosts.

05 01:22:00 tommost Also in authorized_keys.

05 01:22:00 minifig904 I think I found my stupid o'clock....

05 01:23:00 minifig904 Half the problem is half these files don't exist yet.

05 01:26:00 minifig904 Yeah, I don't have a known_hosts...

05 01:27:00 minifig904 I created a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but that's it for user-specific stuff...

05 01:27:00 minifig904 And I don't seem to have a system-wide known_hosts?

05 01:28:00 tommost You don't need a system-wide known_hosts

05 01:28:00 tommost Nor an authorized_keys, except on the machine you're SSHing *to* with public key login.

05 01:28:00 tommost What are you trying to accomplish?

05 01:29:00 minifig904 I want my server to pick up my desktop and allow it based on a (public or private) key, and let me into a specific user.

05 01:30:00 tommost I thought that you said that you already had that configured. What have you done so far?

05 01:31:00 minifig904 When I enter the username, it asks for a public key, and lets me in if I have the right key.

05 01:31:00 tommost Huh?

05 01:31:00 tommost That doesn't make sense.

05 01:31:00 minifig904 OK, fire up PuTTY. It asks for a username. I enter the username.

05 01:32:00 minifig904 Then, it says...

05 01:32:00 minifig904 "Authenticating with public key "blissdwkey" from agent"

05 01:33:00 minifig904 I get into my desktop without a password.

05 01:33:00 minifig904 Which is great, but I end up opening and closing a lot of terminals, so I'd rather not have to enter the username.

05 01:33:00 minifig904 If it helps...

05 01:34:00 tommost Surely PuTTY can save the username.

05 01:34:00 minifig904 nope.

05 01:34:00 tommost (I don't know much about PuTTY.)

05 01:34:00 minifig904 There is no authentication saving options.

05 01:34:00 tommost Well, I can't really help you, then.

05 01:34:00 tommost Though I have to say that that shocks me.

05 01:34:00 tommost If it really can't, you could use ssh via cygwin.

05 01:35:00 minifig904 My brother got it to work.

05 01:35:00 minifig904 Also using keys, also in ubuntu

05 01:42:00 minifig904 oh, man ssh

05 01:43:00 minifig904 and ~/.shosts

05 01:54:00 Morasique putty definitely lets you save the username

05 01:54:00 Morasique i don't remember where the option is, but it does, i use it all the time

05 01:54:00 minifig904 goes through session config again....

05 01:55:00 Morasique i think the tab name is "ssh"

05 01:56:00 minifig904 "rlogin

05 01:56:00 minifig904 "

05 01:57:00 Morasique oh, no, it's under connection -> data

05 01:57:00 Morasique "auto-login username"

05 01:57:00 minifig904 aha

05 01:58:00 minifig904 Thanks

05 01:59:00 minifig904 astro73 probably had a more elegant solution, but oh well.

05 01:59:00 minifig904 Works for me.

05 02:00:00 minifig904 goes back to hacking his nexuiz server

05 13:15:00 Morasique this owns: http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/analogliterals.xhtml

05 13:17:00 tommost recoils in horror

05 13:18:00 tommost "frankly I think this madness has gone far enough already"

05 13:18:00 tommost Yes, it has.

05 13:20:00 auchter C++--

05 13:22:00 povilus anyone kno why im getting "! LaTeX Error: Unknown graphics extension: .eps."

05 13:22:00 povilus when i try to compile this

05 13:22:00 povilus er

05 13:22:00 povilus a document

05 13:22:00 auchter povilus: \usepackage{graphicx} ?

05 13:23:00 tommost Are you using pdflatex?

05 13:23:00 povilus tommost, yes

05 13:23:00 tommost It doesn't support eps. Convert it to a pdf.

05 13:23:00 auchter yeah, try converting it to a pdf with epstopdf then

05 13:23:00 povilus ok

05 13:30:00 povilus anyone know what the eps to pdf tool for ubuntu is called

05 13:31:00 auchter it should be epstopdf

05 13:31:00 auchter i imagine you could also do it with imagemagick, though

05 13:31:00 povilus epstopdf does not seem to exsist

05 13:31:00 povilus so i will look for imagemagic

05 13:33:00 auchter povilus: try installing texlive-extra-utils

05 13:33:00 auchter that's what an ubuntu box says to do when i try to run epstopdf

05 13:33:00 povilus thanx

05 13:33:00 povilus i found it

05 13:35:00 povilus is there any way to get pdflatex to support eps? most of my figures are in eps and hard coded to be eps

05 13:36:00 auchter you could build your document with just "latex" and then convert the dvi to pdf

05 13:36:00 auchter or pslatex, then postscript to pdf

05 13:37:00 povilus ok thanx

05 13:47:00 povilus is there a quick way to feed every eps file in a folder to epstppdf, it dosent like taking multiple files as input

05 13:52:00 auchter povilus: for i in *.eps; do epstopdf $i; done

05 13:54:00 povilus auchter, thanx

05 13:56:00 povilus damn i hate these authors, they wrote in windows where there is no case sensitiviry

05 13:56:00 povilus sensitivity* but all the files are named lowercase but reffrenced as uppercase

05 13:57:00 povilus is there a bash way to do toUpper()

05 14:44:00 auchter povilus: for i in *; do mv $i `echo $i | tr 'a-z' 'A-Z'`; done

05 14:45:00 auchter that's likely to not work if your filenames contain spaces

05 15:15:00 Morasique auchter: filenames contain spaces? what is that nonsense?

05 21:50:00 Morasique i really wish people wouldn't try to write their own open/save dialogs

05 21:50:00 Morasique they're universally terrible

05 23:31:00 Morasique andy753421: you are no fun

05 23:31:00 auchter ?

05 23:32:00 Morasique auchter: he's in 217, i was making the mac in there talk. then he unplugged it

05 23:33:00 auchter that's awesome

05 23:33:00 andy753421 technically, i turned off the UPS

05 23:34:00 Morasique i had it saying "go away" on a loop earlier today, defoe walked in to get a printout, stared at it for a few seconds and left without saying anything

06 00:28:00 tommost auchter: Who taught your fluids class?

06 00:31:00 auchter tommost: sanders

06 00:34:00 auchter although it looks like tha majority of people in his sections are MEs, which is an issue

06 00:34:00 auchter there was only one ME in my class ;)

06 02:33:00 andy753421 I just checked my mail for the first time in a while, turns out we have a rather interesting advertisement form `Amadeus Consulting'

06 02:34:00 andy753421 the captions below a couple of the pictures: `All Amadeus developers have dual monitors at their workstation', `Amadeus office space -- look at that view!' :)

06 02:55:00 Morasique i just realized i have the same ad, i don't remember ever getting it but i'm cleaning my desk and here it is

06 09:18:00 auchter woo http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/msg/2194d253268b0a1b?pli=1

06 12:06:00 povilus_ sooooo how is cssee 230 with clifton?

06 12:07:00 auchter povilus_: i liked it.

06 12:07:00 andy753421 probably one of the better versions of 230

06 12:07:00 povilus_ cool

06 12:07:00 povilus_ cause im taking it with him at 8:00 m

06 12:07:00 povilus_ am*

06 12:08:00 auchter it's brutal having class that early. luckily the exams are at night.

06 12:08:00 povilus_ why?

06 12:08:00 povilus_ i hate nite tests

06 12:10:00 auchter i can actually think at night, which is nice

06 12:10:00 povilus_ i can think in the morning and hate wasting time like that

06 12:13:00 povilus_ if i wanted nite classes id get a job and go to community college

06 13:39:00 quark any of you dudes ever used arch linux?

06 13:40:00 auchter quark: Blazeix uses it, though i'm still not sure why

06 13:41:00 quark it seems pretty sweet

06 13:41:00 quark i'd use gentoo but it breats a lot

06 13:41:00 quark breaks*

06 13:52:00 auchter how does gentoo break a lot? it's never broken for me

06 13:52:00 tommost Awesome! Let's all fill out the dining survey so they can post private information in a public place again!

06 13:54:00 tommost andy753421: What are you planning to do with this competition this year?

06 13:54:00 andy753421 compete?

06 13:54:00 tommost I have no idea what it's about.

06 13:55:00 andy753421 oh, you go drive to somewhere (3 hours or so) then get some free bagels, a t-shirt and code for 5 hours

06 13:56:00 auchter mmm, bagels, you say...

06 13:56:00 tommost What sort of project/problem is it?

06 13:57:00 auchter yeah, is it many small problems, or just one large one (like icfp)

06 13:57:00 andy753421 it's small problems, i believe they give you six to do for the 5 hours

06 13:57:00 andy753421 they have example problems on their website

06 13:58:00 andy753421 they're mostly algorithm problems, the IO is pretty basic

06 14:00:00 auchter programming competitions were fun in high school, i might have to consider this

06 14:02:00 andy753421 you should :) you get to code in either C/C++ or Java, i'm not sure if they let you use other languages or not

06 14:02:00 tommost :(

06 14:02:00 tommost There's a 1/3 chance of 5 hours of pain.

06 14:03:00 andy753421 er? you can pick your choice of languages, but i believe c, c++, and Java are the only that are guaranteed to be allowed

06 14:03:00 tommost Oh, okay.

06 14:03:00 tommost I misunderstood you.

06 14:03:00 andy753421 "The programming languages of the regional contest will include C/C++. Additional programming languages may be used. The programming languages of the World Finals are Java and C/C++."

06 14:04:00 tommost What else have they allowed in the past?

06 14:04:00 andy753421 I only went freshman and sophomore year (they didn't have one last year). We used C/Java but I'm not sure if we were allowed to use other or not

06 14:12:00 auchter oh, it's in cincinatti... there's a pretty awesome coffee shop there.

06 14:14:00 povilus how do you do dvi -> pdf or postscript ->pdf conversion?

06 14:15:00 auchter dvipdf and ps2pdf

06 14:15:00 andy753421 povilus: use pdflatex

06 14:15:00 povilus pdflatex does not support eps

06 14:16:00 andy753421 ah, ok i think i remember something about that from yesterday

06 14:16:00 andy753421 does hyperref work with dvi?

06 14:16:00 povilus dunno

06 14:16:00 povilus what is it?

06 14:16:00 auchter i'd doubt it

06 14:16:00 andy753421 it hyperlinks things

06 14:16:00 andy753421 like tables of contents and such

06 14:18:00 povilus anyone seen this before: dvipdf ./problems.dvi

06 14:18:00 povilus Error: /undefined in obj

06 14:30:00 octavious andy753421: i saw the email about the ACM programming competition

06 14:32:00 octavious andy753421: i am interested in getting more information, do you know when the regional contests are held?

06 14:32:00 andy753421 ~November 1st

06 14:33:00 andy753421 http://cm2prod.baylor.edu/public/worldmap/index.jsf?_afPfm=-1b016f9c is the page for our region

06 14:34:00 andy753421 i believe that in the past we went to the mid-central region though, since they have a contest site closer to rose

06 14:41:00 povilus what is the dos line ends to windows line ends command?

06 14:41:00 tommost Er, what?

06 14:42:00 povilus windows new lines have more characters than unix ones, there is a command to convert them but i forget what it is

06 14:43:00 tommost nl2dos or something like that?

06 14:44:00 povilus i thought it was dos2unix

06 14:44:00 Morasique i think it's dos2unix

06 14:44:00 tommost Yeah, that's it.

06 14:44:00 povilus but that dosent appear to work

06 14:44:00 Morasique it does for me, you probably don't have it

06 14:45:00 tommost Yeah, it's not in the default Ubuntu install.

06 14:45:00 povilus oh, its in sys utils

06 14:50:00 auchter sed 's/\r//' ?

06 14:54:00 andy753421 vim +'set ff=unix | wq'

06 15:06:00 tommost Can anyone else connect to DFS via SSHFS?

06 15:13:00 Morasique tommost: yes

06 15:14:00 tommost I get read: Connection reset by peer

06 15:15:00 Morasique i did this: sshfs mrozekma@dfs.rose-hulman.edu:/ /tmp/dfs -o allow_other,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0113

06 15:15:00 Morasique and it worked

06 15:15:00 Morasique i have a default dfs setup, i've never touched it before; did you mess with something?

06 15:15:00 tommost Hmm. Doing that with my username seems to work.

06 15:15:00 tommost Their crappy SSH server must be rejecting BatchMode or something.

06 15:21:00 tommost Eh, well, I ended up using scp in the end since I like progress indicators.

06 15:54:00 auchter gah, why do people send out docx's?

06 15:59:00 octavious auchter: agreed. i am not sure why people send out information like that in an attachment...if its that important, why not include it in the body of the email?

06 16:02:00 Morasique i like to hope this e-mail means they won't feel the need to send out individual reminders, but i'm not hopeful

06 16:02:00 Morasique s/not/not too/

06 16:02:00 tommost I like to hope ... but I'm not hopeful.

06 16:02:00 Morasique yeah, i dropped a word there

06 16:04:00 tommost Something very weird keeps happening with my server.

06 16:05:00 auchter anyone want to conver the docx and post it?

06 16:07:00 tommost It keeps loosing it's IP address... sort of.

06 16:07:00 tommost It's like the router forgets about it.

06 16:14:00 tommost Now when I try to ping jame.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu they just seem to drop into a pit.

06 16:17:00 tommost Okay, I've figured it out.

06 16:18:00 tommost IAIT, in its great benevolence, decided that a MAC address that I was actively using should suddenly be deregistered.

06 16:20:00 tommost Well, I opened a support ticket asking why.

06 16:23:00 auchter tommost: is your interface bridged?

06 16:24:00 tommost Nope.

06 16:26:00 tommost Also, links doesn't seem to display correctly on this TV. It only seems to do white text.

06 16:26:00 tommost man doesn't work either.

06 16:26:00 tommost This sucks.

06 16:28:00 tommost Ah, apparently screen was causing the issues. Odd.

06 16:34:00 tommost OMGSWEET!!! I love seeing sport teams that I've never heard of.

06 19:26:00 Morasique tommost: someday i want to hear you say "OMGSWEET!!!" outloud

06 19:27:00 tommost When I do your ears will bleed.

06 19:27:00 tommost Have you ever been exposed to a guy named Chase?

06 19:27:00 Morasique :D oh yes

06 19:27:00 Morasique yes i have

06 19:28:00 tommost I'll do my best to live up to his example.

06 19:28:00 tommost ;)

06 19:30:00 quark jeeebus

06 19:30:00 quark oracle has a 50 page enrollment form thingy

06 19:30:00 quark i'm not sure working for them is worth all this damn paperwork

06 19:31:00 tommost Well, best give up on that $25/hr now.

06 19:31:00 quark i guess it might be worth it

06 19:31:00 tommost Maaaaybeeeee...

06 19:35:00 quark i could see myself not getting a job because I didn't want to do the paperwork

06 19:35:00 quark i'm starting it now though, I guess thats a step in the right direction

06 19:36:00 auchter what's on these 50 pages?

06 19:36:00 quark its still printing

06 19:42:00 quark i have to tell them about my last 7 yearsof employment

06 19:42:00 quark i haven't even worked for that long

06 20:03:00 tommost This Xilinx install is actually going pretty quickly.

06 20:03:00 quark oh damn

06 20:03:00 quark i forgot i need to do that

06 20:03:00 tommost Yeah, quickly is a relative term in this case.

06 20:04:00 quark i'm just going to install it on windows

06 20:04:00 quark I don't have a vm

06 20:04:00 tommost It took an hour or two to resize my virtual disk so that I could do the install.

06 20:04:00 quark well I have one somewhere, but I don't really fee like fucking with it

06 20:04:00 quark s/fee/feel

06 20:04:00 tommost You're going to have a heck of a time downloading it from DFS.

06 20:04:00 tommost It's enormous.

06 20:04:00 quark yeah I know

06 20:10:00 Morasique they should really test tigerdirect.com at large resolutions, it doesn't display correctly

06 20:12:00 tommost I became resigned to most of the Internet appearing broken long ago; I like large fonts.

06 20:12:00 quark grr

06 20:12:00 quark i can't even connect to dfs

06 20:12:00 quark well

06 20:13:00 quark dfs.rose-hulman.edu does not have all the same dir's as listed on the website

06 20:13:00 Morasique i see AcademicAffairs, Administration, Banner, Software, and Users

06 20:13:00 Morasique is that right?

06 20:14:00 quark yeah

06 20:14:00 quark i don't see that

06 20:14:00 tommost Using SecureFX?

06 20:14:00 quark oh

06 20:14:00 quark oops

06 20:14:00 quark I didn't realize i was already in the academic affiars folder

06 20:15:00 quark you need the iso and the exe right?

06 20:15:00 tommost Both ISOs.

06 20:16:00 quark yeah

06 20:16:00 quark and the exe?

06 20:16:00 tommost Yeah.

06 20:18:00 quark hmmm

06 20:18:00 quark we have the download from the website

06 20:18:00 quark we installed it underlinux on our server in the house

06 20:19:00 tommost J.P. said that it doesn't include the simulator, which we apparently need.

06 20:19:00 quark yeah I know

06 20:19:00 quark thats why I'm not fucking with it

06 20:21:00 quark already 3% done

06 20:21:00 quark not to terrible

06 20:22:00 quark what is that xp-pro-vm

06 20:22:00 quark that looks sweet

06 20:23:00 quark why do new cars get the same gas milage as my 97 camry

06 20:23:00 quark thats stupid

06 20:24:00 tommost Yeah. My dad used to have an '89 Camry that got 48 highway. These new cars are BS.

06 20:24:00 quark are you serious?

06 20:25:00 tommost I am.

06 20:25:00 quark that is really high

06 20:25:00 quark thats not normal

06 20:25:00 quark was it modified or something

06 20:25:00 quark my '97 gets 30

06 20:25:00 tommost Not to my knowledge—that's not something my dad would do. After being driven for 10 years it declined to ~45.

06 20:26:00 quark i don't believe it

06 20:26:00 tommost He's the sort of person that tracks that sort of thing.

06 20:27:00 quark yeah but

06 20:27:00 quark i can't believe that

06 20:27:00 quark that is super high

06 20:28:00 auchter my car gets 35-38 highway.

06 20:29:00 auchter and also, xilinx and cadence IUS both run under linux natively

06 20:29:00 quark yeah

06 20:29:00 quark we have it installed

06 20:29:00 quark but it wasn't just straight forward

06 20:30:00 quark it took some tweaking

06 20:30:00 tommost What's the difference between VHDL and Verilog?

06 20:31:00 quark good question

06 20:31:00 auchter two different HDLs

06 20:31:00 auchter verilog is more C like, VHDL is more powerful from what i remember

06 20:31:00 tommost What makes it more powerful?

06 20:32:00 auchter it's been a while, i forget

06 20:32:00 tommost Aren't they CPE-type things?

06 20:32:00 octavious they are syntactically different, VHDL allows for template-like definitions, etc..

06 20:32:00 tommost Do you use them in upper-level courses?

06 20:32:00 octavious every iteration/update of the verilog languauge adds more vhdl-like features

06 20:33:00 quark tommost: i know you do in cpe courses

06 20:33:00 quark one of my roomates still uses them

06 20:33:00 octavious eh, they only teach verilog here, but everyone in industry i have heard uses vhdl..

06 20:33:00 quark hes a junior cpe

06 20:33:00 octavious last time i used verilog was ece333-digital systems junior year..

06 20:34:00 auchter i'll be taking that next quarter, is it a decent course?

06 20:35:00 octavious no. i disliked radu (the only prof that teaches it) and it goes really slowly

06 20:35:00 octavious half the course was just learning verilog

06 20:35:00 Morasique didn't you learn it in 130?

06 20:35:00 auchter all in all pretty easy then?

06 20:36:00 octavious auchter: yes, pretty simple

06 20:36:00 octavious Morasique: they have seriously changed ECE130 since i have taken it

06 20:36:00 Morasique ah

06 20:36:00 auchter the verilog we ``learned'' in 130 was a joke

06 20:36:00 tommost He's almost totally removed it.

06 20:37:00 tommost Instead we write RTL.

06 21:19:00 andy753421 auchter: http://docx2txt.sourceforge.net/ + `application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; docx2txt.pl %s; copiousoutput'

06 21:21:00 andy753421 = http://andy753421.ath.cx/files/mutt.png

06 21:22:00 Morasique oh, awesome

06 21:22:00 Morasique this is going to make grading way easier

06 21:23:00 auchter andy753421: why do you have to keep on giving such convincing reasons to use mutt?

06 21:24:00 Morasique i think all-image and html e-mails would still be an issue

06 21:24:00 Morasique this script is really simple, i should've tried to write this ages ago

06 21:25:00 andy753421 not to much, html gets converted fairly well to text (and the text version is sent along with it)

06 21:25:00 andy753421 images are a little harder, i mean, you have to press v, page-down, and then enter, so it's a whole 3 more keystrokes

06 21:27:00 andy753421 although, when people send out 2550x3300 flyers and your image program doesn't automatically scale it's a little annoying....

06 21:29:00 Morasique is fn+f8 a hardware thing?

06 23:31:00 Morasique i love that angel goes to the career fair. i want to go over to their booth and say "so. you're responsible" just to see what they say

06 23:33:00 auchter i'd be interested as well.

06 23:37:00 andy753421 anyone ever taken any classes with Dr. Finn?

06 23:41:00 auchter andy753421: i had MA221 with him

06 23:43:00 andy753421 how was it?

06 23:43:00 Morasique i'm taking 323 with him next quarter, but i suppose that doesn't help

06 23:43:00 auchter fine as far as DE goes, not sure if that's a good judge

06 23:44:00 andy753421 Morasique: is that geometric modeling?

06 23:44:00 andy753421 because that's what I was thinking about taking as well

06 23:45:00 Morasique yeah

06 23:46:00 andy753421 alright, also, want to do that presentation thing on temporal logic together?

06 23:47:00 Morasique sure. it can be on anything, i just threw a random topic at him, anything using the word "temporal" is automatically cool

06 23:47:00 andy753421 alright, i spent the summer doing spatiotemporal stuff so i figured it might be related

06 23:49:00 Morasique career services needs to be less effective; 90 companies is far too many for me to go through

06 23:50:00 octavious at least they have a search function on their page (dont they?)

06 23:52:00 Morasique they have a filter by major thing, not that that was hard to do by hand before they added it

06 23:52:00 Morasique i wish they'd just let me run sql against their database; limit it to just SELECT and let me go crazy

06 23:53:00 andy753421 yea, i've been wondering that, wouldn't the whole web2.0 thing be a lot easier if everyone just allowed had anonymous access to to their databases instead of making AJAX api's?

06 23:53:00 Morasique yes. yes it would

06 23:54:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever heard of somebody allowing direct database access limited to just SELECT, i don't know why

06 23:54:00 Morasique i guess it just feels insecure

06 23:55:00 Morasique and i suppose an API lets them abstract away database details; people would be annoyed if you changed your database structure when they were depending on it

06 23:55:00 andy753421 um, views?

06 23:56:00 Morasique oh, that's true. i forgot those existed

06 23:56:00 Morasique speaking of things i never see used

07 00:02:00 Morasique ...bryan musial went to work for angel, he's coming back for the career fair. i think i may go talk to him

07 00:06:00 auchter Morasique: why not just talk to claude? didn't he have a sabbatical there? ;)

07 00:08:00 Morasique i honestly have no idea from aprimo's description what they do

07 00:08:00 Morasique although they will help me accelerate my success

07 00:09:00 andy753421 technically, acceleration does not have to be positive

07 00:11:00 auchter aprimo-- for assuming acceleration is a scalar

07 00:14:00 Morasique double-take's work benefits are in reverse order it looks like, they lead off with donuts, pop and the color of their break room

07 00:17:00 auchter now if they had said they had a faema e61 in the breakroom, they'd have me sold no matter what the company does.

07 00:23:00 jboticsource auchter: even if the company's sol purpose was to hunt down and torture baby seals? also what is a faema e61?

07 00:27:00 Morasique just google it: http://www.thecoffeebrewers.com/faemae61.html

07 01:38:00 kleinpa hey

07 01:41:00 andy753421 key

07 01:42:00 andy753421 kleinpa: (check your email)

07 01:42:00 jboticsource http://ces.uwyo.edu/haylist/web%20hay.jpg

07 01:50:00 Morasique apparently there's a limit to how many requests awesome-client can process at once. nice of them to document that

07 02:02:00 Morasique i'm experimenting with putting the titlebar on the side of the window instead of the top; i like it for some strange reason

07 02:32:00 jboticsource how do i stop maple from executing a command

07 02:32:00 jboticsource it is about to eat my comp

07 02:35:00 andy753421 pkill -9 maple

07 02:36:00 andy753421 although, that will kill maple alltogether :)

07 02:36:00 jboticsource i was looking how to kill a command while in maple

07 02:36:00 andy753421 ctrl-c?

07 02:36:00 jboticsource tried that, no effect

07 02:41:00 andy753421 oh, there's a hand with a red circle around it up in the toolbar that's supposed to do that

07 02:42:00 jboticsource thanks

07 08:35:00 auchter_ cool, an asteroid's going to hit earth in about two hours.

07 08:36:00 jboticsource auchter: is this the type of asteroid that i should forget doing my homework for?

07 08:36:00 auchter_ jboticsource: nope

07 08:36:00 jboticsource oh well....

07 10:43:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/email.png

07 10:43:00 Morasique wow

07 10:43:00 Morasique it's like they tried to make it terrible

07 10:44:00 zz ok almost 4th

07 10:44:00 zz lol need to go bye bye shortly

07 10:45:00 Morasique zz-- for abusing "lol"

07 13:23:00 andy753421 gah, how come my laptop is never the one with disk errors

07 13:24:00 andy753421 anyone know when luglog bit the dust?

07 13:24:00 andy753421 also, did andy_plan9 die at the same time?

07 13:54:00 tommost OMGSWEET!!! All-campus poetry.

07 13:57:00 andy753421 OMGSWEET!!! All-campus apology.

07 14:09:00 auchter_ that email was truly horrible.

07 14:52:00 Morasique i learned when midnight is sometime in elementary school. apparently all my professors skipped that day

07 14:52:00 Morasique it should just be rose policy to not have assignments due at midnight, clearly professors can't handle it

07 14:52:00 tommost ?

07 14:53:00 Morasique wollowski and clark both use midnight to mean that night

07 14:53:00 Morasique like my clark essay is due wednesday at midnight, that means wednesday night to him

07 14:58:00 auchter_ they need to start being explicit and using 23:59, because that's cleary what they mean.

07 14:59:00 tommost That's what I've seen in CSSE courses.

07 15:00:00 tommost In other news, I have a stomachache again.

07 15:02:00 Morasique tommost: good news, we're talking about probability in AI and using disease as an example

07 15:02:00 Morasique did you eat any sour berries, and are you pregnant?

07 15:03:00 tommost No on both counts.

07 15:03:00 Morasique hmm. i've got nothing then

07 15:13:00 Morasique awesome 3 does not like if you try to give a tag the name ""

07 21:00:00 Morasique debate power!

07 21:09:00 TBoneULS #rhpolitics, be there

07 21:10:00 Morasique obviously nobody loves america

07 21:10:00 Morasique ...terrorists

07 21:10:00 TBoneULS ya

07 21:10:00 TBoneULS clearly

07 21:17:00 TBoneULS you people are all failures.

07 21:29:00 tommost #rhlug--

07 22:58:00 tommost I love it when the entire class gets 100%. It's so easy to enter into Angel.

07 22:59:00 Morasique tommost: when the hell does that happen?

07 23:00:00 tommost When they're in-class quizzes and the people who didn't get perfect scores (after the built-in padding point) have dropped out.

07 23:00:00 tommost This is 120.

07 23:02:00 Morasique ah. in-class quizzes are fun

07 23:02:00 auchter in class quizzes suck

07 23:02:00 Morasique well, they're fun to grade

07 23:02:00 tommost Indeed.

07 23:03:00 tommost Especially when you get double time for doing it while working at the SRC. ;)

07 23:03:00 Morasique usually it's copy the answer off the slide, you can get things you missed from neighbors, and half the time the professor asks if anybody missed anything at the end. it's hard not to get a perfect score

07 23:03:00 Morasique tommost: nice

07 23:04:00 auchter yeah, but instead of listening to the lecture or doing something useful, i'm instead working on getting the quiz filled in

07 23:05:00 Morasique it's worse with the professors that adopted the idea latest, they screw it up the most. steve tends to assign paragraph answer questions that he doesn't give the answer too in class, so you have to ignore his lecture to fill out the quiz

07 23:06:00 Morasique s/too/to/

07 23:37:00 tommost Can anyone recommend software that does error propagation automatically?

07 23:39:00 auchter i think mathcad might, windows only though

07 23:39:00 auchter it's on the terminal servers though

07 23:41:00 tommost Hmm. I was looking for something more spreadsheet-like.

07 23:41:00 tommost I want this for a chem lab report.

07 23:42:00 tommost This seems like an obvious blank spot in the spreadsheet arena...

07 23:42:00 tommost I smell a senior project.

07 23:47:00 auchter sounds like a horrible project

07 23:48:00 tommost It sounds useful.

07 23:48:00 andy753421 it sounds like tommost is volunteering

07 23:48:00 andy753421 you might be able to do it in S/S+/R

07 23:49:00 tommost Er, what?

07 23:49:00 andy753421 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S+, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(programming_language)

07 23:50:00 andy753421 various languages that are good at statistics

07 23:51:00 tommost The trouble is, I'd actually have to learn how to use that sort of thing. I already know how to use a spreadsheet.

08 01:47:00 octavious wow, someone put up a 'banner' quick link via yubnub

08 01:47:00 octavious meaning that i am not the only yubnub user at rose

08 01:47:00 octavious hmm, now that i look at it, there is rhit and rhitangel...

08 01:52:00 Morasique are they just links, or do they actually do something?

08 01:56:00 octavious just links... the rose ones anyway

08 02:28:00 Morasique that's kind of dumb then, you could do that locally pretty trivially

08 02:31:00 shadghost offers people a hug

08 02:31:00 shadghost hugs tommost

08 02:35:00 octavious one of those creepy 'free hugs' kind of people huh?

08 02:37:00 Morasique i don't know what his issue is, he won't stop doing that

08 02:38:00 Morasique i really detest java's repainting. it never works

08 02:38:00 Morasique i don't get why calling repaint() doesn't make things repaint

08 02:38:00 Morasique but it doesn't

08 09:21:00 tommost From {Rickert, Holder, Montgomery, Shibberu} which would be the best Disco II prof?

08 09:24:00 tommost Er, misread the sheet. It's actually between Jajcayova and Langley, neither of which I've ever heard of.

08 13:25:00 zz hey ZetaSyanthis

08 15:19:00 Morasique i don't think it's possible to open a gui window that shows the real filesystem on the mac

08 15:19:00 Morasique i can open "Macintosh HD" that shows fake folders, i can't figure out how to actually get to the root directory

08 15:22:00 Morasique auchter looked at me in disdain as he passed the lab

08 15:22:00 Morasique it hurt

08 15:48:00 auchter Morasique: only because i know that if you're there, you're likely doing something that involves the mac

08 15:53:00 Morasique auchter: me sitting in front of the mac staring at the screen probably gave it away

08 16:09:00 Morasique there's a guy in the mac trying to use gimp and saying things like "you can't do anything". somebody get in here and teach him

08 16:09:00 Morasique er. wow. s/mac/lab/

08 16:09:00 auchter you should ask what he's trying to do, i'm curious

08 16:09:00 Morasique he said he's just trying to learn it

08 16:10:00 Morasique something bad just happened, everyone gathered around him freaked out

08 20:35:00 andy753421 plan 9 wins

08 20:36:00 andy753421 well, actually gnu looses

08 20:36:00 andy753421 specifically, gnu tr does not work with unicode

08 20:38:00 Morasique curt made fun of plan 9 several times in our client meeting today, without any prompting from me at all

08 20:38:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, what brought up plan 9?

08 20:39:00 Morasique nothing, he brought it up. one of our requirements was that our product would work on any OS that runs python and wxwidgets, and he said we wouldn't want to be locked in to supporting plan 9 if somebody ported wxwidgets to it

08 20:39:00 andy753421 oh, does that count as making fun of it?

08 20:40:00 Morasique yes

08 20:40:00 Morasique :)

08 20:40:00 Morasique he said something else too, i don't remember what it was. nothing that would make auchter cry, which is what i was hoping for

08 20:40:00 Morasique he's got all year though

08 20:44:00 andy753421 Morasique: well, if you have plan 9 port installed, the following might be useful: 9 tr '~@#$%^&*_\\|/' '¬∀≠→↔⊥∧×⊆∈∨∃'

08 20:44:00 auchter downloads wxwidgets source and trys to compile it under APE...

08 20:45:00 andy753421 auchter: pretty sure that would require x11/gtk to be installed

08 20:45:00 auchter x11 has been ported to plan 9

08 20:45:00 andy753421 i don't think glib/gtk has been though

08 20:45:00 auchter gtk would pose a major problem

08 20:45:00 auchter i was joking anyway

08 20:45:00 andy753421 fair enough, although it'd be nice if someone did port gtk

08 20:45:00 auchter andy753421: does gnu awk support unicode? because plan9's awk doesn't, from what i remember

08 20:46:00 andy753421 i would assume that plan9's does, but i'm not sure

08 20:46:00 andy753421 don't know about gnu either though

08 20:49:00 andy753421 Morasique: also does tarski's world always try to take up 95% of the screen?

08 20:58:00 auchter Morasique: awesome, python and wxwidgets are available for OS/2

08 20:59:00 auchter oh, also openvms and amigaos

08 21:20:00 Morasique andy753421: yes, that program is a pain. it gets a tag to itself because of that

08 21:21:00 andy753421 Morasique: hm, i though you used that on windows?

08 21:21:00 Morasique no, i switched to wine when you mentioned a while ago you can just copy the fonts and it works

08 21:23:00 andy753421 ok

08 22:28:00 povilusr-laptop what is a pdf reader on addiarot

08 22:28:00 povilusr-laptop addiator

08 22:29:00 andy753421 gpdf

08 22:29:00 andy753421 xpdf, kpdf

08 22:29:00 povilusr-laptop thanx

08 23:54:00 povilus collinjc, you there?

09 02:28:00 Morasique this is officially the coolest zsh feature ever: if you do ~foo and foo isn't a username, it'll look for an environment variable named foo and use that path instead, so you can set something like www=/var/www/localhost/htdocs and then use ~www in any command

09 02:29:00 Morasique i discovered that by accident while trying to hack together something that would simulate that exact behavior

09 02:30:00 andy753421 .. turns out you can also use $www in any command ..

09 02:32:00 Morasique andy753421: but then it won't shorten the path in the prompt

09 02:33:00 andy753421 ah ok

09 02:33:00 andy753421 i have my prompt only show the last entry anyway :/

09 02:34:00 Morasique yeah, most people do; i've always liked the whole thing, but it gets long when i'm dealing with school stuff

09 02:34:00 Morasique i have the whole ~/school/College/Year/Quarter/Class thing going on

09 02:36:00 andy753421 yea, that's why I make shortcuts :) http://rafb.net/p/cFYYGS79.html

09 02:37:00 Morasique "/mnt/s/mnt/x/". nice

09 02:44:00 tommost Morasique: I'm using the zshrc you posted on the wiki. Do you ever have issues with stuff getting bolded following the prompt?

09 02:51:00 Morasique tommost: i bold everything, so no. you could stick %{$terminfo[sgr0]%} at the end of your PS1 to make it stop

09 02:51:00 tommost Ah, that explains it.

09 02:51:00 andy753421 Morasique: you bold everything?

09 02:52:00 tommost Thanks.

09 02:52:00 Morasique yeah, i'm weird

09 02:52:00 Morasique i think it looks better

09 02:52:00 andy753421 you could just set the foreground font to a bold one..

09 02:52:00 Morasique it is, i meant that's why i don't have the issue

09 02:52:00 Morasique it's bold already

09 02:52:00 andy753421 ah, i see

09 03:16:00 tommost Command-line maple's line editing really sucks.

09 03:17:00 andy753421 tommost: vim

09 03:19:00 tommost That doesn't help me yet. :(

09 03:19:00 tommost I'm currently learning vim very, very slowly.

09 03:21:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Maple#Editing_maple_in_Vim I assume it will work for other text editors as well

09 03:22:00 tommost Does vim have syntax highlighting for maple?

09 03:22:00 andy753421 yea

09 03:24:00 andy753421 (*.mv, *.mpl, *.mws)

09 10:56:00 collinjc Would anyone else happen to be prepared to present something today? It is looking more and more unlikely that I'll be able to get something thrown together, thanks to this EMC exam.

09 10:56:00 Morasique collinjc-- :'(

09 10:57:00 collinjc Dr. Song--

09 10:57:00 Morasique anybody know anything about the different shells? that's on the idea list and is actually interesting

09 11:30:00 Morasique "health services and you" is an awesome subject

09 11:55:00 tommost andy753421: File uploads on the wiki still aren't working.

09 13:15:00 Morasique i can't believe how often people lose phones. the only time i take my phone out of my pocket is to talk on it. when i'm done talking, it goes back in my pocket

09 13:47:00 auchter i'm not surprised a piece of shit like the iphone was found in the bathroom.

09 15:13:00 Morasique gah! i just realized my stumbleupon toolbar wasn't showing for some reason; i have 22 pending stumbles

09 15:47:00 octavious i talked with a recruiter today in an interview for a long time about Gentoo.

09 15:48:00 octavious i thought it was pretty neat

09 15:51:00 auchter heh, that's pretty cool. what company was that?

09 16:16:00 Morasique so is there any presentation whatsoever today?

09 16:17:00 Morasique somebody should volunteer. free karma to whoever volunteers

09 16:17:00 tommost Auchter just volunteered to present.

09 16:17:00 Morasique auchter is threatening an rc presentation. i think we can all agree to not do that

09 16:19:00 tommost Jon and Tony just volunteered to present on our Comparch project.

09 16:20:00 tommost It is guaranteed to make Auchter scream.

09 16:21:00 j0hns0n Does anyone know how to get x86_64 ubuntu to recognize all 4GB of RAM?

09 16:24:00 Morasique tommost: i'd rather learn about rc than hear about comp arch

09 16:25:00 tommost Morasique: Well, okay, I was lying anyway.

09 16:25:00 auchter my advisor has a sign on his door that says "Cannibal? OK by me."

09 16:26:00 tommost {auchter's advisor}++;

09 16:26:00 Morasique somebody needs to learn awesome 3 and teach me, so then i can present on it. i'm trying to switch but it's painful

09 16:27:00 auchter also, my advisor's door is open and music is playing, but as far as i can tell he's not there.

09 16:27:00 tommost What type of music?

09 16:27:00 auchter unless he's hiding, which is actually rather likely

09 16:27:00 auchter classical, so advisor++

09 16:47:00 tommost This Xilinx software is so difficult to use that I'm resorting to reading the documentation.

09 16:48:00 auchter tommost: what part of xilinx?

09 16:49:00 tommost All of it?

09 16:49:00 auchter i mean, what in particular are you using it for? i didn't actually use any part of xilinx until we were ready to put it on our fpga

09 16:50:00 Morasique tommost: i would resort to reading the awesome 3 documentation. if they bothered to write any

09 16:50:00 tommost We're using the schematic view stuff. I'm supposed to do a few simple tasks to familiarize myself with it: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse232/0809a/Labs/csse232_lab7.html

09 16:50:00 auchter hah, have fun.

09 16:50:00 tommost Also, we're supposed to use the simulator.

09 16:51:00 tommost There's some convoluted series of steps necessary to launch that, and I'm trying to figure out what they are.

09 16:51:00 auchter the cadence simulator is far superior

09 16:51:00 tommost We're using ModelSim, not the built-in Xilinx one.

09 16:51:00 auchter andy753421: what did you do to the sun box's X installation?

09 16:51:00 andy753421 nothing, is it working?

09 16:51:00 auchter tommost: there's a makefile on the wiki that you could look at that uses the cadence one

09 16:52:00 auchter andy753421: no, it's horribly broken now

09 16:52:00 Morasique good, talking to somebody not actually in the room with us makes us seem less crazy

09 16:52:00 andy753421 er, more so than before?

09 16:52:00 auchter ``failed to load module "mouse"''

09 16:52:00 tommost I tried that when I was in ECE 130; I couldn't get it to work.

09 16:52:00 andy753421 oh, you probably need to update the mouse driver to the lastest version

09 16:52:00 auchter the makefile was pretty particular, but you can at least look at the commands that need to run

09 16:52:00 auchter it's a lot less demented than clicking on paperclips

09 16:53:00 Morasique i for one enjoyed clicking the little paper airplane

09 16:53:00 Morasique don't take that away from me

09 16:53:00 andy753421 tommost: try image upload again

09 16:55:00 tommost andy753421: Thanks.

09 17:01:00 auchter Morasique: make the mac talk

09 17:01:00 tommost Morasique: Don't.

09 17:01:00 auchter tommost: it's in the other lab

09 17:03:00 tommost Morasique: Feel free.

09 17:03:00 Morasique auchter: ssh mac-02.csse.rose-hulman.edu say "message"

09 17:03:00 Morasique go nuts

09 17:05:00 octavious auchter: what are you presenting on today?

09 17:07:00 andy753421 Someone bring a null modem cable to the LUG meeting!

09 17:09:00 Morasique auchter: answer the question!

09 17:09:00 Morasique tommost: don't look now, but auchter is RIGHT BEHIND YOU

09 17:14:00 Morasique Blazeix is sitting in the presentation spot

09 17:15:00 Morasique i think we know what that means

09 17:51:00 tommost Okay, are we the Linux User Group or the Linux Users' Group?

09 17:53:00 auchter Users'

09 17:54:00 tommost Okay.

09 17:54:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/t-shirt.svg

09 17:55:00 quark classy

09 17:55:00 tommost Hmmm... Firefox seems to render the text slightly differently.

09 17:55:00 quark it seems to frilly for me

09 17:55:00 tommost Frilly?

09 17:55:00 quark yeah

09 17:55:00 quark whats with all the graphics and fancy colors

09 17:55:00 tommost ...

09 17:56:00 quark </sarcasm?>

09 17:56:00 tommost It's intended for embroidery, which is why Tux is so simplified.

09 17:56:00 quark he looks pretty normal for me

09 17:56:00 quark s/for/to

09 17:57:00 tommost Good.

09 18:05:00 povilus check this out http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scopecapturelv2.png

09 18:08:00 Morasique the whole wiki uses "users", btw

09 18:10:00 auchter povilus: did you tear a hole in the universe?

09 18:11:00 Morasique i think the most interesting part of that webpage is the halo 3 ad at the top

09 18:14:00 povilus he he, ask cody what just happened

09 18:15:00 tommost ...?

09 18:15:00 tommost It looks scraggly.

09 18:18:00 Morasique apparently it's a cpe secret

09 18:24:00 collinjc Morasique: You were just Rickrolled.

09 18:24:00 tommost OMG.

09 18:25:00 tommost povilus++

09 18:25:00 collinjc povilus: I really am shocked that we were the only ones to do it.

09 18:26:00 tommost collinjc++

09 18:26:00 povilus yeah, i know

09 19:01:00 auchter wow, ram is cheap now; 4GB is now the same price of the 1GB that i bought when i built this computer.

09 19:01:00 tommost I need to buy another 2GB...

09 19:02:00 auchter i'm buying 4GB, which will boost my server up to 5GB. it needs it, it's running plan9, linux, and windows xp (for cadence, which sucks ram like nothing else)

09 19:05:00 tommost How fast is this machine?

09 19:06:00 auchter athlon 64 x2 3600+... i should probably upgrade the processor soon.

09 21:29:00 povilusr-laptop anyone here in computer graphics?

09 21:38:00 povilusr-laptop looking for some help with mellor's maze in particular

10 00:19:00 auchter windows is crazy, it's complaining about how i have less than 200MB on C:

10 00:19:00 auchter why the hell does it care?

10 00:20:00 tommost Probably because it won't be able to expand the page file if it needs to.

10 00:22:00 auchter ugh, that's idiotic. i assume there's a way to place the page file on another drive?

10 00:22:00 tommost Yes.

10 00:22:00 tommost But it will probably still complain.

10 00:23:00 auchter awesome. i grow more fond of windows by the minute.

10 00:24:00 tommost Windows++~

10 00:29:00 auchter also, the left half my spacebar appears to no longer work reliably.

10 00:29:00 auchter this is a problem,as my left thumb is the one i use to hit the spacebar.

10 00:36:00 quark do you guys know how to make the ohms sign in open office?

10 00:36:00 tommost gnome-character-map

10 00:37:00 auchter isn't the equation editor similar to latex? if so, try \Omega

10 00:37:00 tommost auchter's is probably easier.

10 00:38:00 quark latex is supposed to be pretty cool isn't it

10 00:38:00 auchter latex is beautiful

10 00:39:00 quark i'm still not clear on what it is

10 00:39:00 auchter it's a typesetting language

10 00:39:00 tommost It's awesome. I'm doing my homework in it right now.

10 00:40:00 auchter knuth developed TeX so he could typeset ``the art of computer programming'' easily; LaTeX is a set of macros on top of TeX

10 00:40:00 quark what do you use to edit it?

10 00:40:00 quark any text editor?

10 00:40:00 tommost A text editor.

10 00:40:00 tommost Yes.

10 00:40:00 auchter i use vim, but yeah, any text editor

10 00:41:00 tommost Most have syntax highlighting for it.

10 00:41:00 quark so it would be sweet if I knew the language

10 00:41:00 auchter with vim's latexsuite, as well

10 00:41:00 tommost It's pretty easy.

10 00:41:00 quark but time consuming if i didn't

10 00:41:00 auchter start taking notes in it, that's how i learned.

10 00:41:00 auchter (people still think i'm mad)

10 00:41:00 quark i don't ever take notes on my computer

10 00:42:00 auchter i do; it's rather nice.

10 00:42:00 auchter being able to grep(1) through your notes is priceless.

10 00:42:00 tommost I gave up on doing it in Disco; I can't type escaped braces quickly enough when he's talking about sets.

10 00:42:00 quark lol

10 00:43:00 quark can't you just make shortcuts in vim?

10 00:43:00 auchter eh, i didn't take notes in disco,the book was sufficient

10 00:43:00 tommost Now I use a calligraphy pen or a red pen on yellow paper. :D

10 00:43:00 auchter quark: yep, and latexsuite is awesome for that

10 00:43:00 tommost I don't really read the book much.

10 00:43:00 quark i'll look into that sometime

10 00:43:00 quark when I'm not in a time crunch

10 00:43:00 tommost It doesn't help, except as a reference.

10 00:43:00 auchter what type of calligraphy pen?

10 00:44:00 tommost Um, I'm not sure of how to classify it, but it's sort of a high-end marker with a different sort of ink and end.

10 00:44:00 tommost I'd like one with a nib.

10 00:44:00 auchter ah, i see.

10 00:44:00 tommost Those are fun.

10 00:44:00 auchter yeah, i solely use a fountain pen now

10 00:45:00 auchter that's the only thing i can decently write with.

10 00:45:00 tommost Those come finer than the pen I'm talking about, too. My notes take up an outrageous amount of space when I use it.

10 00:46:00 auchter eh, i'm using a medium nib right now, it's pretty thick though. i need to buy another pen with a fine nib

10 00:47:00 tommost How much do fountain pens cost?

10 00:47:00 tommost I've been getting dissatisfied with the rollerballs that I normally use; I can't find one that doesn't glob to some degree.

10 00:47:00 auchter it varies on the quality. i'm using a lamy logo right now, which is moderately inexpensive

10 00:48:00 tommost So, ~$20?

10 00:48:00 auchter yeah, around there

10 00:48:00 quark wow

10 00:48:00 quark pretty serious about your pens....

10 00:49:00 quark i use bic pens myself

10 00:49:00 quark i lose them and stuff

10 00:49:00 auchter actually, i got this one for free

10 00:49:00 tommost I find that if I buy expensive writing implements I don't loose them.

10 00:49:00 tommost I'm still using Zebra pencils that I got in high school.

10 00:49:00 auchter yep, i haven't had an issue keeping track of this one

10 00:49:00 quark i can keep a pen for a while

10 00:50:00 quark but still

10 00:50:00 quark i'm content with the cheap shit

10 00:51:00 tommost The only thing that I've ever used Bics for was when I shortened them to be about 3 inches long in grade school.

10 00:51:00 tommost They're really easy to cut with scissors.

10 00:51:00 quark i hate school

10 00:51:00 quark it really sucks

10 00:52:00 tommost You prefer $25/hr.?

10 00:53:00 quark i mean

10 00:53:00 quark i did not say that

10 00:54:00 quark i just hate school

10 00:54:00 quark doesn't mean I want to quit

10 00:54:00 quark well I do want to quit

10 00:54:00 quark but i probably shouldn't

10 00:54:00 quark i don't really want to work

10 00:55:00 quark i've been tossing around the idea of being a bum

10 00:55:00 quark i'd jsut need a reliable way of getting on the internet

10 00:55:00 quark but i figure I could do coding jobs from like rentacoder

10 00:55:00 quark that would pay for my laptop and some sort of wireless data plan

10 00:55:00 quark i'd be set

10 00:55:00 quark the onyl other draw back to this would be getting laid

10 00:56:00 quark i don't think chicks go for the homeless dudes

10 00:56:00 quark so I guess I am going to school to get a degree to get laid on a regular basis

10 00:56:00 quark thats the logic i got out of that

10 00:56:00 tommost Sound, that.~

10 00:57:00 quark i just gotta figure out a way to get chicks as a homeless man

10 00:57:00 quark hey baby

10 00:57:00 quark wanna check out this sweet tent I have in the park?

10 00:58:00 tommost I think that electricity would also be an issue.

10 00:58:00 quark nah

10 00:58:00 quark you can get electricy plenty of places

10 00:58:00 quark coffee shops and shit

10 00:58:00 quark you can always go find some plug

10 00:58:00 quark plus i could get a sweet solar charger

10 00:59:00 quark would you give money to a bum with a laptop?

10 00:59:00 tommost With all that bum money you'll be raking in, of course.~

10 00:59:00 quark some bums can make 5 figures a year

10 00:59:00 quark i personally won't give them money

10 11:14:00 Morasique they should really switch to having national hating GLBT day, instead of every year taking the position that people hate gays unless they explicitly announce otherwise

10 11:14:00 auchter holden's really failing at dates this week

10 11:15:00 andy753421 yea, also, the 11th is actually national coming out day..

10 11:15:00 andy753421 i really hope we don't get a correction on the correction :/

10 11:16:00 Morasique i'm tempted to e-mail him and let him know, but it's probably too late for them to move it

10 11:17:00 andy753421 i'd guess that they decided to celebrate early on purpose

10 11:18:00 Morasique my roommate had a good idea: they should charge for the "gay ok" signs and berate people who don't have them for hating gay people

10 11:19:00 auchter we should make "linux ok" signs and use the same tactic

10 11:19:00 Morasique apparently lambda is a gay symbol. hmm

10 11:20:00 auchter i saw that on wikipedia. perhaps that explains why it's called lisp

10 11:21:00 Morasique auchter: the difference being hating gays is frowned upon. hating linux is cool and even encouraged

10 11:23:00 auchter hating people just really seems like a bad policy to me

10 11:23:00 Morasique you should probably not run for anything on the republican ticket then

10 11:25:00 auchter yep, because democrats are so much better/different...

10 11:26:00 auchter politicians are all alike, you're deceiving yourself by thinking otherwise

10 11:26:00 quark #rhpolitics++

10 11:26:00 quark take that!

10 11:26:00 auchter yeah, probably best to confine politics to there. i blame Morasique

10 11:26:00 Morasique haha!

10 11:27:00 Morasique i didn't think we'd actually start a debate, i thought it'd be more like <Morasique> republicans suck! <Everyone else> Morasique++

10 12:39:00 Morasique fucking hell, i don't care about the damn easels! i'm going to start #rhbitchaboutallcampusemails

10 13:06:00 Morasique the guy in the cs lab is reading his e-mail, he just said "oh, good, coming out day, i should get my machine gun ready". his teammates giggled for a second and then stopped and said "...what?"

10 13:07:00 Morasique now they're talking about how the constitution doesn't specifically prohibit mowing people down with machine guns. i may move to the other lab

10 13:25:00 Morasique ooo. awesome 3 has a systemtray widget

10 13:26:00 tommost Oooo...

10 13:28:00 Morasique now you have to switch

10 13:29:00 tommost Well, fall break is coming up...

10 13:36:00 Morasique i hating listening to teams in the cs lab suck at arguing. i want to intercede and argue both sides

10 13:49:00 Morasique ha! now my tasklist shows all tags. take that awesome

10 14:04:00 Morasique everytime somebody is using latex in the lab they're having problems and their team hates them; latex must have the worst reputation ever at this point

10 14:18:00 Morasique HA! that's how awesome-client works now

10 14:18:00 Morasique it took me about 1000 years to figure that out

10 14:19:00 Morasique the guy across from me is so pissed off he's started hitting the table on every syllable to emphasize his point. he's been doing this for about a minute

10 14:20:00 Morasique steve's here! steve to the rescue

10 14:27:00 auchter i'm said i've missed all the excitement there today

10 14:30:00 tommost Me too.

10 14:31:00 Morasique we're telling jokes in AI

10 14:31:00 Morasique it's bad

10 14:32:00 Morasique Blazeix: raise your hand and ask if we can leave

10 14:33:00 Morasique tell the joke from boondock saints

10 14:34:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m71dc7efa

10 14:34:00 Morasique go

10 14:35:00 Morasique somebody make crr stop telling jokes

10 14:36:00 auchter crr's jokes are excellent

10 14:36:00 Morasique auchter: no

10 14:36:00 Morasique damn it, and mike keeps asking him to tell more

10 14:37:00 auchter just walk out then

10 14:37:00 Morasique well, we stopped now

10 14:37:00 Morasique he's futilely trying to link it to AI now

10 14:37:00 tommost crr++\

10 14:39:00 Blazeix He's dissing VQ now

10 14:40:00 Morasique i stopped listening for 10 seconds and now he's talking about killing a guy and ending up in jail

10 14:40:00 Blazeix he's talking about killing the guy above him in the apartment complex whose played basketball all the time.

10 14:40:00 Morasique oh. fitting

10 14:40:00 Blazeix We need him to kill the guy above us

10 14:40:00 Morasique i should offer him $10 to get rid of him

10 14:41:00 auchter you know, i could actually picture a few of the profs at rose as being murderers

10 14:41:00 auchter you really don't have the stretch the imagination veryfar

10 14:41:00 Blazeix mutchler would be terrifying

10 14:42:00 Morasique http://xkcd.com/225/

10 14:42:00 Morasique mutchler

10 14:43:00 auchter Morasique: that comic is inaccurate, everybody knows that stallman doesn't own a bed.

10 14:44:00 Morasique good point

10 14:44:00 auchter also, i think trying that with esr (or me for that matter) would be a rather bad idea

10 14:45:00 tommost Well yeah, ESR sleeps with a gun under his pillow and a shotgun under his wife.

10 14:46:00 Morasique mike just put up a transparencies with 12 words in ~12pt font in the middle of the page and nothing else

10 14:46:00 Morasique s/ies/y/

10 14:47:00 octavious auchter: he may not own a bed, but at least he can dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40

10 14:49:00 auchter i swear, that video never gets old.

10 14:55:00 Morasique the guy in front of me is wearing a shirt with a capital C that has the top serif but not the bottom one. why would you do that?

10 15:00:00 Morasique mike starts most of the stuff he teaches us with "this might be totally bogus". it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence

10 15:01:00 Blazeix 1+1 is 2, 2+2 is 3. I think wollowski got a bit confused there.

10 15:02:00 Morasique that happens a lot

10 15:02:00 Morasique he was hung up on the same problem yesterday, i think he intentionally gets 2+2 wrong. i'm not sure why

10 15:05:00 Morasique lua arrays are 1-indexed. it's like they built a big "fuck you" in for anyone that's ever programmed before

10 15:05:00 tommost lua--

10 15:05:00 tommost I'm tempted to not bother with awesome 3 now.

10 15:05:00 auchter matlab--

10 15:05:00 auchter someone should write a window manager in matlab

10 15:05:00 tommost I'm holding out for Parti.

10 15:07:00 Morasique Blazeix: am i confused about the definition of an arch?

10 15:07:00 Morasique arches are curved

10 15:07:00 Morasique that how you can use it as a verb, like to arch something

10 15:07:00 Blazeix Arch is awesome

10 15:07:00 Morasique i hate you

10 15:07:00 Blazeix wait, sorry

10 15:07:00 Morasique awesome is awesome

10 15:07:00 Morasique wait, i'm confused

10 15:58:00 Morasique what language doesn't have assignment return the value assigned? it's like they designed this language to annoy me

10 15:59:00 tommost Python?

10 15:59:00 tommost Or Lua?

10 15:59:00 andy753421 assembly?

10 15:59:00 tommost assembly doesn't count.

10 16:01:00 Morasique tommost: i was talking about lua, but python frequently makes me think it was designed to annoy as well

10 16:20:00 Morasique anybody have a problem with hwclock freezing the machine?

10 16:27:00 Morasique alternatively, how do i stop /etc/init.d/clock from running when i boot? i do rc-update del boot clock and it's gone, but then i restart and it's back again

10 16:30:00 auchter what happens if you remove it from default?

10 16:32:00 Morasique i don't have it in default

10 16:34:00 tommost Morasique++

10 16:34:00 auchter does anything depend on clock being started?

10 16:34:00 Morasique tommost: thank you. what did i do?

10 16:35:00 tommost I read the logs.

10 16:35:00 Morasique yeah, nothing has happened since you left. i asked two questions

10 16:35:00 Morasique auchter: how do i check? i doubt anything does, but i don't know

10 16:35:00 tommost I was referring to your stance on Republicans.

10 16:36:00 Morasique oh, i see

10 16:36:00 tommost It's very strange; Google Reader won't load for me.

10 16:37:00 auchter Morasique: grep clock /etc/init.d/* is probably a good place to start

10 16:37:00 tommost Hmm... it works in Opera.

10 16:38:00 Morasique oh, that's right, there's a depend function

10 16:38:00 Morasique yeah, apparently several things do

10 16:38:00 Morasique i guess i should leave that alone then

10 16:38:00 Morasique how important is hwclock?

10 16:38:00 auchter ignoring dependencies can be fun though

10 16:39:00 auchter no idea

10 16:39:00 Morasique i think i may make it non-executable and see what happens

10 16:39:00 Morasique apparently this has been a problem for a while, i see lots of bug reports about hwclock freezing machines

10 16:41:00 Morasique is 2.6.26 out yet? maybe i'll upgrade

10 16:41:00 Morasique nm, apparently it is but doesn't help

10 16:42:00 Morasique out of curiosity, anybody use RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP? does it speed up boot a lot?

10 17:19:00 andy753421 icpc meeting right now if anyone's interested (F225)

10 17:23:00 andy753421 also, apparently e2fsprogs is required regardless of what filesystem you use :(

10 17:40:00 quark icpc?

10 17:41:00 andy753421 programming contest

10 17:42:00 auchter well crap, i forgot that was today

10 17:43:00 Morasique auchter: that's possibly because you're a failure. at everything. forever

10 17:43:00 andy753421 yea.. only one person showed up, i probably should have sent out a reminder

10 17:43:00 Morasique you didn't actually mention when the time was the first time, i assume the "more information" e-mail covered that though

10 17:43:00 andy753421 yea

10 17:49:00 Morasique how many people are there on a team?

10 17:49:00 andy753421 3

10 17:49:00 Morasique oh. you're good to go then :)

10 17:52:00 andy753421 yea, hopefully

10 19:51:00 Morasique i'm using one of the example functions from the awesome 3 wiki in my code; i just found the same example in the lua documentation under the heading "WARNING: bad code ahead!!"

10 20:01:00 Morasique this language is nonsensical. print(1 and 2) works, but 1 and 2 by itself doesn't

10 20:01:00 Morasique that's just weird

10 20:06:00 auchter i've talked with this guy who was super obsessed about lua, but i could never really figure out what was so spectacular about it

10 20:07:00 Morasique it's easy to embed, but i'm not a big fan

10 20:09:00 Morasique oh, this is nice: calling a function with the wrong number of arguments doesn't cause an error

10 20:09:00 Morasique it ignores extra arguments and passes nil if you're missing arguments

10 20:09:00 Morasique they have a special syntax for varargs; why bother?

10 20:11:00 Morasique god, even referencing undefined variables isn't an error, everything is pre-defined as nil

10 20:14:00 auchter you don't like perl, do you?

10 20:19:00 Morasique no, but i haven't tried it a whole lot

10 20:20:00 Morasique everything just seems non-intuitive

10 20:59:00 Morasique lua doesn't have a function for splitting a string by a character. every language has that. java has that and its string library blows

10 21:06:00 auchter ugh, i've started getting spam on my rose account.

10 21:06:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/fJqvCK36.html

10 21:15:00 Morasique i'm not sure it's strictly necessary to list "valid e-mail address" on an ad distributed by e-mail

10 22:08:00 Morasique on the tv show i'm watching they're reading through the code of an artifically intelligent virus. it's a makefile

10 22:42:00 Morasique this is cool: http://darkshed.net/projects/alock

10 22:42:00 Morasique Blazeix told me about it

10 22:47:00 auchter why is that cool? half of the reason i lock my computer is so people can't see what's on my screen.

10 22:51:00 Morasique i very rarely care that people can see what's on my screen, i care that they can do stuff

10 23:29:00 Morasique you don't escape things with \; you use %

10 23:29:00 Morasique ...of course

10 23:29:00 Morasique why didn't i try that first

10 23:50:00 Morasique AAAAAAAH. lua doesn't have a switch statement. what is with hating on the switch statement?

10 23:53:00 auchter i blame python

10 23:53:00 auchter rc has a swtich statement, maybe you should use that

11 00:00:00 Morasique python and lua documentation both have long explanations about how they understand the switch statement is important, and both end with "but we don't support it"

11 00:00:00 Morasique i almost expect a "HAHA!" to come next

11 00:11:00 tommost The Indy PBS station is failing at HD. I'm watching Bill Moyers Journal and I swear that it's an upscaled analog broadcast. *There is snow.*

11 00:11:00 Morasique why are you watching PBS?

11 00:12:00 tommost Because it's Bill Moyers.

11 00:12:00 tommost And I slept through it earlier.

11 00:13:00 tommost He's talking to Soros right now, who is explaining the current financial crisis, which is unusually unenlightening for this show. His next guest is consistently interesting to watch, though.

11 00:25:00 Morasique this language must have the worst lexer ever designed. i can't imagine how some of these expressions are parsed differently, but one will work and the other won't

11 01:05:00 Morasique good news: i have a clock again. bad news: i can see how much time i've wasted converting widgets to awesome 3

11 01:05:00 tommost You had an epiphany earlier about awesome-client. What changed with it?

11 01:06:00 Morasique i couldn't figure out how to use it

11 01:06:00 Morasique the old way involved a special syntax, the new version takes lua code directly

11 01:06:00 Morasique and as far as i can tell that isn't documented anywhere

11 01:06:00 tommost Ah.

11 01:07:00 Morasique they have timer hooks built into lua now, so you don't need a special script running constantly in the background, i'm a fan

11 01:07:00 tommost That's good. For some reason my embedded Python script occasionally fails to start; it's annoying.

11 01:08:00 Morasique you should use a bash script like a real man

11 01:09:00 andy753421 anyone want to go hiking tomorrow?

11 01:09:00 Morasique wait, what?

11 01:10:00 andy753421 i'm going hiking at Morgan-Monroe State Forest, i was wondering if anyone wanted to go

11 01:12:00 Morasique ah. i can't handle sudden segues like that, i was trying to link that to bash scripts somehow

11 01:16:00 andy753421 well if anyone does, post something or mail me, i'll be leaving around 8:00am

11 01:25:00 Morasique "most modern CPUs do floating-point arithmetic as fast as (or even faster than) integer arithmetic"

11 01:25:00 Morasique is that true?

11 01:48:00 tommost Apparently they just added support for the Rio Karma filesystem to the Linux kernel. Not that I'm complaining, but WTF?

11 01:59:00 Morasique it has it's own filesystem?

11 01:59:00 Morasique s/'//

11 02:01:00 tommost Oh, there's an article on it: http://lwn.net/Articles/278028/

11 02:58:00 Morasique interesting. making a progress bar with the same foreground and background color crashes awesome

11 02:58:00 tommost That's awful.

11 02:58:00 tommost Not awesome.

11 03:02:00 tommost The movie on right now has the distinction of being the worst think I've ever seen on the SciFi channel.

11 03:32:00 Morasique awesome has decided to start crashing at random. it's like it sensed i was close to finishing upgrading and decided to slow me down

11 03:36:00 Morasique apparently i had too many timer hooks registered

11 03:36:00 tommost Too many?

11 03:38:00 Morasique i had about a dozen, i removed a couple and everything got better

11 03:38:00 Morasique i switched to having one timer function that calls the rest

11 03:39:00 Morasique i imagine it spawns a separate thread for each timer hook and i pushed it over the edge, although i would've expected the edge to be a bit further away

11 03:39:00 tommost Yeah, that's really strange.

11 04:20:00 Morasique declares victory

11 04:20:00 Morasique my conversion to awesome 3 is complete

11 04:20:00 Morasique that took forever

11 04:50:00 Morasique ok, now my conversion is complete and bug-free. i think. i'm going to sleep

11 05:12:00 Morasique hmm. so it turned out hwclock is rather important

11 13:04:00 Morasique apparently they still release updates for firefox 2. neat

11 13:06:00 auchter yep, i have no plans to switch to firefox 3.

11 13:06:00 Morasique i'm stalling for as long as possible, it destroyed my extensions when i did

11 13:06:00 Morasique and i had some other major problem i don't remember now

11 13:11:00 auchter i'm actually compiling webkit-gtk as we speak

11 13:11:00 auchter i just got distcc set up on my server, so i needed something large to compile.

11 13:11:00 tommost Tell me the rev if it isn't crashy.

11 13:12:00 auchter p36403, i'll let you know once it's built

11 13:14:00 auchter distccisn't really helping much for this.

11 13:15:00 auchter gah, i need to get a new keyboard, the left side of my spacebar is too flaky

11 13:15:00 Morasique i wish revdep-rebuild would stop rebuilding gcc every time i run it

11 13:21:00 Blazeix http://www.linux.com/feature/149992

11 13:23:00 Morasique i wonder if they're aware that makes him one step removed from being named after linus. probably not a good thing

11 13:29:00 Morasique this keeps happening on a loop: 1) oh, i wonder what that lua code in somebody's awesome config does. 2) *add to my awesome config* 3) hmm, nothing happened, i guess i'll forget to take it out. 4) *5 minutes pass* OMG MY MOUSE IS MOVING BY ITSELF, WHAT HAPPENED? 5) *30 minutes pass* oh, damn it, i'm stupid. 6) *remove offending code* 7) *return to step 1*

11 13:31:00 auchter uh, why are you using this wm again?

11 13:31:00 Morasique well, that would happen with any wm, that's my own fault

11 13:31:00 Morasique i keep forgetting to remove trial code that appears to do nothing

11 13:31:00 Morasique it never does nothing

11 14:47:00 Morasique i have a widget that tells me how many mounts i have till i have an fsck check; it just makes me dread restarting when i'm getting close

11 15:19:00 Morasique awesome, on my last boot before a fsck check hwclock froze

11 15:19:00 Morasique you win this round, computer

11 15:57:00 auchter Morasique: automatic fsck is annoying, which is why i don't use it

11 16:01:00 quark you can skip it

11 16:04:00 Morasique quark: how? i can't skip it or it screws up my boot process

11 16:04:00 Morasique auchter: mine usually fixes things, so i leave it on

11 16:04:00 quark really?

11 16:04:00 quark i rarely have disk errors

11 16:04:00 Morasique i don't know why i do but i usually do

11 16:05:00 auchter use reiserfs, it's pretty good

11 16:07:00 quark murderfs

11 16:11:00 Morasique the pango font_size parameter takes the font size parameter in 1/1024ths of a point, so to specify 12pt font you do <span font_size='12288'>

11 16:21:00 Morasique fun fact: setting the font size to 0 crashes awesome. awesome-3 seems far less stable than awesome-2

11 16:25:00 auchter yeah, awesome sounds much better than wmii or dwm...

11 16:25:00 Morasique i've never tried either

11 16:25:00 Morasique nor do i maintain that it's better, so i'm not sure why you keep bringing that up

11 16:26:00 auchter i'm just not sure why you would use something that's obviously difficult to configure and unstable

11 16:27:00 quark i hate tiling window managers

11 16:27:00 Morasique gasps

11 16:27:00 quark fluxbox xfce or kde for me

11 16:27:00 Morasique two of those aren't window managers afaik

11 16:27:00 quark yeah

11 16:27:00 quark true

11 16:28:00 quark so

11 16:28:00 Morasique Blazeix uses fluxbox, so it must suck

11 16:28:00 quark fluxbox, kwin or xfcewm

11 16:28:00 Morasique i think i ended up picking awesome over dwm because it had built in widgets for progress bars and graphs

11 16:29:00 Blazeix I'm probably going to move to awesome once the documentation matures

11 16:29:00 Morasique Blazeix: good luck waiting for that

11 16:29:00 Morasique i only figured out half of it from looking at people's published dotfiles; i'm not sure how they figured it out

11 16:34:00 Morasique rumor has it in awesome 3.1 they're putting back the check configuration argument they inexpliably got rid of for 3.0. good call there

11 16:35:00 auchter dwm has an awesome configuration checker: cpp

11 16:58:00 tommost The Service Pack 3 installer just crashed in my VM. Microsoft++~

11 19:25:00 Morasique i just referred to the first element in a python array with [1]. i think lua broke me

11 19:34:00 auchter i keep on messing up when i have to do stuff in matlab

11 19:34:00 auchter 1 indexing is dumb

12 00:32:00 Morasique oh jackpot. awesome 3 supports resizing from each corner of the window instead of just bottom right

12 00:32:00 Morasique it was worth switching just for that

12 01:09:00 octavious Morasique: yes, Morasique please praise awesome 3 more...

12 03:26:00 Morasique i kept typing ] when i tried to type }, and i started to think my shift key was broken, and then realized i was holding down caps lock

12 03:34:00 tommost You haven't remapped that to Ctrl?

12 03:35:00 andy753421 well, the crtl-shift distance would be the same regarless

12 03:47:00 Morasique tommost: no, it's mapped to mod3

12 05:28:00 Morasique somebody should really investigate why it is dates are always wrong in e-mails. it's well outside what i'd expect, it has to be 90% end up being wrong. like chenoweth's e-mail saying he's set our next lecture date as monday, october 15th. how does that happen? does everyone have old calendars or something?

12 06:30:00 shadghost eve online anyone?

12 13:07:00 Morasique shadghost: hell yes! i am all about eve online

12 13:55:00 auchter it appears that trying to install the vpn software under a vm has caused windows to stop recognizing all my network interfaces.

12 13:56:00 Morasique good work

12 14:04:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Library/info/hours.htm

12 14:05:00 Morasique i feel like there should be an additional section, something like "the rest of the time"

12 14:07:00 auchter our library is pathetic anyway

12 14:08:00 Morasique yeah, but they have copiers

12 14:08:00 Morasique i called to check, the woman told me "our hours should be 2-11". it felt like a trick, like she was going to follow up with "....but they're not. we're closed"

12 14:08:00 auchter eh, when i need to copy something i just use the scanner in F217

12 14:08:00 Morasique i didn't even know there was a scanner there

12 14:08:00 auchter yep, next to the plan 9 stack

12 14:08:00 Morasique awesome. i keep going to the library to scan stuff

12 14:09:00 auchter yeah, it's not as good as a real copier, but it's convienent

12 14:09:00 auchter especially at 7:45 on a friday morning...

12 14:09:00 Morasique yeah, i don't care about quality, wollowski wants the book i'm borrowing back tomorrow and i'm not done with it

12 15:04:00 Morasique after 33 flawless scans the scanner i'm using decided to suddenly stop working

12 15:11:00 Morasique the library disabled restart and shut down on the machine. it's kind of ineffective when the physical machine is sitting right next to me

12 15:24:00 andy753421 octavious: were you interested in icpc?

12 15:48:00 andy753421 ls

12 15:49:00 tommost andy753421

12 15:49:00 tommost Morasique

12 15:49:00 tommost octavious

12 15:49:00 tommost TBoneULS

12 15:49:00 tommost tommost

12 15:49:00 tommost luglog

12 15:49:00 andy753421 stop

12 15:49:00 andy753421 ^Z

12 15:50:00 tommost [#rhlug] $

12 16:08:00 auchter wow.

12 16:14:00 Morasique indeed

12 16:38:00 auchter Morasique: http://freshmeat.net/projects/luabash/ (saw that in #plan9 and thought you'd like it)

12 16:39:00 Morasique gah!

12 16:39:00 Morasique i was sadly tempted to just call shell commands from lua to do all the work, but i felt bad

12 17:27:00 shadghost just got poded

12 17:28:00 shadghost in 0.4 space

12 17:29:00 shadghost Morasique: what do you fly

12 17:30:00 auchter ...

12 17:58:00 Morasique how does the sarcasm never get through?

12 17:58:00 Morasique my ability to be sarcastic to the point of being rude is well known, and yet it doesn't work on shadghost

12 18:00:00 shadghost i have a invon field

12 20:47:00 andy753421 anyone know of a nice way to convert a utf-8 text file to a PDF so that it shows up correctly on windows?

12 20:48:00 tommost gedit -> print -> PDF

12 20:48:00 auchter why can't windows just read the utf-8 text file?

12 20:48:00 andy753421 because it fails

12 20:49:00 tommost I know that Notepad can, though it will choke on newlines.

12 20:49:00 andy753421 apparently wollowski can't for some reason

12 20:49:00 andy753421 missing fonts or something

12 20:49:00 auchter i'm sure i've used wordpad to display utf-8 before

12 20:49:00 auchter ah, odd

12 20:49:00 andy753421 tommost: gedit is not installed

12 20:50:00 andy753421 although, lp -d pdf seems to work if I set up a pdf printer

12 21:11:00 tommost Crazy. Nautilus obeys EXIF rotation tags when creating thumbnails.

12 21:13:00 auchter how's that crazy? they're there for a reason

12 21:13:00 tommost Just something I'd never expect.

12 21:13:00 tommost It had me confused because something was displaying one way in Firefox and didn't appear to be wrong in Nautilus.

12 21:15:00 tommost I mean "crazy" in a good way.

12 21:17:00 auchter what's crazy is this bloody book wasn't printed in a typeface that has ff, ffi, or ffl ligatures

12 21:17:00 tommost :(

12 21:39:00 Morasique auchter: word doesn't have them, it makes me want to die

12 22:14:00 tommost My god, there's a stray UTF-8 BOM on the Rose homepage again. How many times do I have to file this support ticket‽

12 22:14:00 auchter Morasique: word doesn't even have the common fl and fi ligatures

12 22:15:00 auchter oh, and i was wrong, the book does have the ff ligature.

12 22:16:00 auchter tommost: look at the description meta tag on rose's homepage

12 22:16:00 tommost Score!

12 22:16:00 Morasique tommost: did they ever fix that?

12 22:16:00 tommost Two support tickets in a day!

12 22:17:00 tommost Morasique: They keep removing the BOM instead of making utf-8 the default encoding.

12 22:17:00 auchter i'm not even sure how they ended up with that description

12 22:22:00 tommost GAAAAH!!! Comic Sans MS!!!

12 22:24:00 auchter i need to make a filter to redirect all emails using comic sans to my trash

12 22:24:00 auchter people who use comic sans in an email simply aren't worth listening to.

12 22:25:00 tommost CS;DR

12 22:25:00 auchter eh?

12 22:26:00 tommost http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TLDR

12 22:26:00 auchter ah, right

12 23:04:00 Morasique it confuses me that there's the command 'ps2ps'

12 23:09:00 auchter the manpage makes it seem rather useful

12 23:16:00 Morasique anybody know if there's a secret way to get beamer to not destroy my images? it pixelates them really bad, i can't find a way around it

13 00:03:00 Morasique oh yay, thunderbird's reminder windows don't glitch anymore. awesome3++

13 00:04:00 tommost Ooo...

13 00:04:00 tommost It seems like a pretty severe fail on Thunderbird's part to try to fade them in under a non-compositing WM in the first place, though.

13 00:08:00 Morasique my issue was i couldn't click anything for some reason, so i couldn't snooze reminders

13 00:08:00 tommost You can snooze Thunderbird reminders? What does that even do?

13 00:09:00 Morasique er. makes them pop up again later?

13 00:10:00 tommost I've never found Thunderbird's popups to be remotely relevant. For me it even pops up reminders for spam. So I guess that never occurred to me.

13 00:10:00 quark do any of you use floating windows in awesome?

13 00:10:00 tommost quark: The Gimp. Some dialog boxes. Not much else.

13 00:11:00 auchter mmm, compositing; now that's something plan 9 is awesome at.

13 00:11:00 tommost Say what?

13 00:11:00 auchter you know the guy who wrote rc(1)?

13 00:12:00 auchter he's the duff in porter-duff image compositing

13 00:12:00 auchter which is what plan 9 and Xrender implement

13 00:12:00 Morasique quark: i float mplayer sometimes if i need both my screens for stuff

13 00:13:00 Morasique wow, they're really coming down to the wire with these "please register for my course" e-mails; registration starts in less than 7 hours

13 00:13:00 auchter i've got 10 hours until registration :(

13 00:13:00 quark i haven't registered yet

13 00:13:00 tommost quark: Um, noone has.

13 00:14:00 quark i mean talked to my advisor about registering

13 00:14:00 tommost You should do that.

13 00:14:00 Morasique you should probably do that soon

13 00:14:00 quark tommorrow

13 00:14:00 quark we don't register till tuesday

13 00:14:00 quark plus

13 00:14:00 quark you can always just go to the classes you want on the first day

13 00:15:00 quark take your paperwork and just sign up that way

13 00:15:00 auchter that works less well when the class is full

13 00:15:00 quark but

13 00:15:00 quark there is always so meone that failed a class or something

13 00:15:00 auchter ok, you know, maybe try putting more than one word per line

13 00:15:00 quark classes will be full

13 00:15:00 Morasique that sounds much harder than typing in four CRNs

13 00:16:00 quark then they will drop right before class starts

13 00:16:00 quark you acn still type in crn's then

13 00:16:00 quark fuck that

13 00:16:00 quark i'll type the way I want

13 00:16:00 Morasique sadly, my registration time this quarter isn't during a class, i enjoy the experience of glaring at your classmates knowing you're about to be competing for the same slots

13 00:16:00 auchter mine's during a class, but that class also is considerably biased against technology

13 00:17:00 auchter my professor gloats about not using laptops

13 00:17:00 Morasique yeah, i had one in a humanities last year, i just ignored him

13 00:18:00 tommost I once had a professor who forbid students registering in class. He was an ass.

13 00:18:00 Morasique i think they're required to let you

13 00:19:00 auchter hm, interesting...

13 00:19:00 auchter i don't think they are though

13 00:19:00 Morasique they're required to let you miss class for job interviews too, i had one complain about that once

13 00:19:00 auchter is this documented somewhere?

13 00:20:00 Morasique if i'm right i'm sure it is, i'm not actually reading off something at the moment

13 00:22:00 quark beans make you fart a shitton

13 00:22:00 Morasique .... quark--

13 00:22:00 quark thats all i've eaten all weekend

13 00:22:00 quark i make a kickass black bean chili

13 00:23:00 quark i don't see why you bother to voice me in the first place

13 00:23:00 quark just so you can take it away later

13 00:23:00 tommost I never did.

13 00:23:00 Morasique i think you can take it anyway

13 00:24:00 auchter that was weird

13 00:24:00 quark you guys are no fun

13 00:24:00 Morasique yes, we do have that reputation

13 00:24:00 quark its like a channel of 50 year old men

13 00:24:00 Morasique Blazeix just went to hang out with more fun people

13 00:25:00 Morasique i think 50 year old men would resent the implication that they're not fun

13 00:25:00 quark with your pants in your damn armpits

13 00:25:00 quark they can resent it all they want

13 00:25:00 quark maybe older even

13 00:26:00 Morasique i'm not sure what we did wrong, but i'm proud of us

13 00:27:00 quark you guys don't like taking about farts and shit

13 00:27:00 tommost Anyway, Linux....

13 00:27:00 tommost So I tried using ATI's magic xorg.conf tool to move the video overlay to my other monitor and it didn't enable it on that monitor, yet completely killed it on the other one.

13 00:27:00 Morasique ah. that is true. we're all over pokemon cards and monster trucks though, are we still cool?

13 00:27:00 Morasique tommost: what are you doing? we're talking about farting

13 00:28:00 Morasique this is why you don't use the magic tools

13 00:28:00 Morasique ever

13 00:28:00 quark yeah!

13 00:28:00 quark oh

13 00:28:00 quark you weren't serious

13 00:28:00 tommost My point is, ATI ate a bunch of beans before they created their driver.

13 00:28:00 quark duh

13 00:28:00 quark its awlays sucked

13 00:28:00 tommost I'm looking forward to Ibex.

13 00:28:00 quark nvidia's are slightly better

13 00:28:00 tommost Much better, I'd say.

13 00:28:00 quark GAAAYYYY

13 00:29:00 quark i hate ubuntu so much

13 00:29:00 quark now that i've used it

13 00:29:00 quark i used to hate it bceause everyone else did

13 00:29:00 quark it seemed like the cool thing to do

13 00:29:00 quark but then I ran it

13 00:29:00 quark and am still running it

13 00:29:00 tommost Why?

13 00:29:00 Morasique ...exactly

13 00:29:00 tommost If you hate it so much...

13 00:29:00 quark why what?

13 00:29:00 tommost Just use gentoo, like all the other ricers.

13 00:30:00 quark no

13 00:30:00 quark i'm installing arch linux

13 00:30:00 quark i've never used it

13 00:30:00 quark gentoo is for ricers

13 00:30:00 tommost No, gentoo is superior. auchter says so.

13 00:30:00 quark but i'd rather be a ricer than a twat

13 00:30:00 auchter auchter is always right.

13 00:30:00 quark well i've heard the arguments agaisnt arch

13 00:30:00 tommost I haven't.

13 00:30:00 tommost Tell me.

13 00:30:00 quark but its generally not that bad

13 00:30:00 Morasique tommost: Blazeix uses it

13 00:31:00 quark it can break as easily as gentoo

13 00:31:00 tommost Oh, awesome.

13 00:31:00 quark you can update it and it won't boot

13 00:31:00 auchter auchter is always right.

13 00:31:00 tommost Sweet.

13 00:31:00 quark but I've had ubuntu break pretty hardcore

13 00:31:00 tommost Totally your fault, I'm sure.

13 00:31:00 quark tommost: have you ever run anything else?

13 00:31:00 tommost Mandrake 8.2.

13 00:31:00 quark wow

13 00:31:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure you can break any distro if you do the wrong thing, that's your own fault

13 00:32:00 tommost Obviously, that's why I think Ubuntu's so nice.

13 00:32:00 quark but you really have nothing to compare it too

13 00:33:00 tommost Point taken. Please continue enumerating Arch's failings.

13 00:34:00 Morasique i'm going to e-mail this to Blazeix when he's done

13 00:34:00 quark tommost: thats basically it

13 00:35:00 quark that i've heard

13 00:35:00 quark mostly I've heard good thigns about it

13 00:35:00 quark its very simple

13 00:35:00 quark much simpler than gentoo

13 00:35:00 quark pacman is supposed to be nice

13 00:35:00 tommost Oooo....

13 00:35:00 quark binary packages

13 00:35:00 auchter auchter's arguments against arch: it's inferior to crux, and both are pretty horrible.

13 00:36:00 quark have you used it?

13 00:36:00 tommost {binary packages}++

13 00:36:00 auchter yes

13 00:36:00 quark yeah binarypackages are pretty sweet

13 00:36:00 auchter and as auchter has spoken against it, thou shalt not use it

13 00:36:00 tommost He spent an entire complaining about it in here.

13 00:36:00 quark i'm definatly going to try it

13 00:36:00 quark when I quit being a lazy ass

13 00:37:00 tommost So... never?

13 00:37:00 quark i did however download the iso today

13 00:37:00 Morasique if

13 00:37:00 quark no

13 00:37:00 quark i'll get around to it for sure

13 00:37:00 quark probably over ffall break

13 00:37:00 quark i'm actualyl not too lazy about my computers

13 00:37:00 quark although my desktop is still broken

13 00:37:00 tommost Yeah, I was just about to bring that up.

13 00:37:00 quark but filling out fucking rma's is a bitch

13 00:37:00 quark and I don't really need it

13 00:37:00 tommost IT'S A WARRANTY REPLACEMENT IT'S FREE YOU MORON

13 00:38:00 quark i know its free....

13 00:38:00 tommost I'll take it if you don't want it.

13 00:38:00 quark hell no

13 00:38:00 quark i've got plenty of time to fix it

13 00:38:00 auchter has 4GB of ram on its way

13 00:38:00 tommost wants 2GB more for his laptop

13 00:38:00 quark you just have to go to the goddamn store to get it shipped back and stuff

13 00:38:00 quark thats such a pain

13 00:38:00 quark its so much easier to order things online and have them just arrive here

13 00:39:00 Morasique andy753421 just opened the lab door, looked at nobody, and left

13 00:40:00 quark fucking pop corn stuck in my teeth

13 00:40:00 quark and I have no toothpics

13 00:40:00 quark so i'm whittling down a match

13 00:40:00 quark brillance

13 00:41:00 auchter Morasique: impressive

13 00:42:00 jboticsource a real rugged mountain man

13 00:43:00 quark just learned why they don't make metal toothpics

13 00:47:00 Morasique quark is like shadghost2

13 00:48:00 quark huh?

13 00:49:00 quark this shadghost2 sounds like a cool cat

13 00:53:00 quark man this popcorn is in there good

13 00:54:00 quark fuck

13 00:54:00 quark now i'm bleeding

13 00:54:00 tommost quark++ for randomness

13 00:54:00 quark seems like normal irc discussion to me

13 00:56:00 quark i feel like a dog with a collar so he won't lick himself

13 00:56:00 quark only I don't have the collar

13 00:56:00 quark so i'm going to go on picking at my already bleeding gums

13 00:58:00 tommost quark-- for graphics

13 00:58:00 quark god i hate that

13 01:01:00 Morasique tommost++

13 01:02:00 Morasique i saw "man this popcorn is in there good" and assumed i'd missed a lot and paged up, but i was wrong

13 01:04:00 quark hopeing it was in my butt or something?

13 01:05:00 quark sry 2 let u dwn

13 01:07:00 quark any of you ever used irssi on a box that wasn't in your timezone?

13 01:13:00 quark nevermind

13 01:23:00 Morasique does this guy go to rose? that worries me a little

13 01:23:00 auchter i've used irssi on a box not in my timezone many times

13 01:23:00 tommost Yes, he does.

13 01:33:00 Morasique sweet, we can meet the preisdent

13 01:33:00 Morasique ooo. word art

13 01:34:00 Morasique mutt users, you're missing out

13 01:41:00 octavious it seems to me that I would find erecruiting more useful if they maintained a new job RSS feed..

13 01:41:00 tommost Yeah, feeds make everything more useful.

13 01:53:00 Morasique they could convert like 90% of all campus e-mails to rss feeds, i wonder if anybody has ever suggested that

13 01:55:00 tommost http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/en:examples

13 01:56:00 Morasique i saw that a while ago, that's very cool

13 06:55:00 Morasique matt-- for giving me the wrong registration pin

13 08:02:00 auchter Morasique: this is why i check my pin right after i get it ;)

13 11:48:00 auchter mm, how difficult of a class is computer security?

13 11:49:00 auchter eh, can't take it anyway

13 14:32:00 Morasique auchter: i'm taking it; i really wish archana wasn't teaching it

13 14:33:00 Morasique one of the groups in AI claims they can't get the sample code to work with "external networking", which they define as networking between two machines. i guess "internal networking" is using your local disk

13 14:33:00 Blazeix Also, apparently port 2447 is an internal port only

13 14:34:00 Blazeix ?

13 14:34:00 Morasique ah yes, they reserved that one specially

13 15:10:00 Morasique the software we're looking at in AI is called Bacon

13 15:10:00 Morasique awesome

13 15:19:00 Blazeix yeah, I"m surprised crr isn't in here

13 15:19:00 Blazeix He is a bacon enthusiast.

13 15:28:00 auchter "bacon enthusiast" i would put that on my resume if i was him

13 18:47:00 auchter you know, normally when it appears that a prof messed up on writing a homework problem, i ignore it and solve it the way i think it should be done

13 18:47:00 auchter with herniter, i'm not sure this is the best policy

13 18:47:00 auchter there's no way to make the circuit in problem 1 do what he's asking: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~herniter/Rose_Classes/ECE250/Homework/Fall08/HW5/ECE%20250%20Homework%205.pdf

13 18:48:00 auchter it will do the exact opposite of what he the problem asks

13 20:31:00 auchter they need to start giving CPEs access to the CS labs by default

13 20:32:00 auchter F217 is packed, and F225 is dark and empty (and locked)

13 20:32:00 Morasique heck no, go hang out in the robotics lab

13 20:32:00 auchter it's too bloody cold in there

13 20:32:00 Morasique get somebody in 217 to open it

13 20:32:00 auchter meh, i won't be here for long

13 20:32:00 Morasique i'm not sure why everyone hates 225, all the time i go over there and 217 is full while 225 is empty

13 20:33:00 auchter yeah, it's weird. it's as if they're shunning F225

13 20:38:00 andy753421 they TAs are in 225

13 20:38:00 andy753421 er, i mean 217

13 20:39:00 auchter ah, that explains it

13 20:41:00 Morasique ah. yeah, that would do it

13 20:45:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/dc4TAU92.html venti on 9.lug

13 20:45:00 Morasique auchter++

13 20:45:00 Morasique ...i'm not sure why

13 20:46:00 auchter well, i think it's pretty cool... 437MB of data only occupying 189MB of disk.

13 20:46:00 Morasique ah. that's cool

13 20:48:00 tommost How many disks do you have there?

13 20:48:00 tommost IIRC the disk in those boxes isn't very large.

13 20:49:00 auchter it has a 64GB arena

13 20:49:00 auchter total space that is

13 20:50:00 auchter the sata controllers are weird, so it can only use one disk

13 20:51:00 auchter i'd like to get something with ATA over ethernet set up...

13 20:58:00 auchter yeah, i guess if space becomes an issue (unlikely) i'll just serve bela's disk with AoE, and just mount it on vampira.

13 20:58:00 auchter alright, time to leave the lab.

13 20:58:00 auchter i come here and end up wasting time playing with plan 9 instead of doing work

13 20:59:00 Morasique similar to how i isolated myself to catch up on homework and ended up upgrading to awesome 3

13 21:34:00 Morasique every form in existence that requires city, state and zip code is redundant. pick one, city/state or zip code, there's a one-to-one map

13 21:34:00 Morasique this form is even better, it includes county too

13 21:34:00 Morasique for maximum needlessness

13 21:59:00 auchter well, just to argue, for purposes of shipping and such, typing in a zip code is rather error prone

13 22:01:00 tommost What they should all do is take your zip code first and use some JavaScript/HTTP magic to auto-fill the rest of the fields.

13 22:02:00 auchter yes, what the world needs now is more javascript

13 22:03:00 Blazeix That would be easy to degrade gracefully, though. It would just be a normal form without javascript

13 22:04:00 auchter i suppose i'd be ok with that.

13 22:05:00 auchter oh, so i haven't been going mad these past two weeks

13 22:05:00 auchter turns out i had the auto-dim function for my lcd turned on. that's annoying.

13 22:05:00 tommost ...no?

13 22:05:00 tommost Oh.

13 22:05:00 auchter i thought my brain had broke

13 22:06:00 tommost s/$/n/

13 22:06:00 Morasique no

13 22:06:00 Morasique broke is much better

13 22:06:00 Morasique :)

13 22:06:00 auchter tommost: yeah, you're messing with me

13 22:33:00 tommost Has anyone ever taken class with Langley or Jajcayov?

13 22:54:00 Blazeix This is funny. I'm in #archlinux, and a guy just said "latex doesn't do formulas"

13 22:55:00 quark oh yeah

13 22:55:00 quark you use that don't you

13 22:55:00 Blazeix Pretty much everyone in the channel is telling him he's wrong

13 22:55:00 quark i'm gonig to install it

13 22:55:00 Blazeix quark: good idea.

13 22:55:00 quark everyone here says I shouldn't because you use it or something

13 22:55:00 quark however I am not detered

13 22:55:00 Blazeix By everyone, I assume you mean Morasique

13 22:55:00 Blazeix I'll have to go check the logs...

13 22:55:00 quark yeah and maybe aucter

13 22:56:00 quark they are all naysayers

13 22:56:00 quark have you used gentoo?

13 22:56:00 Blazeix yeah, auchter wine's MSOffice.

13 22:56:00 Blazeix He loves it.

13 22:58:00 quark i really need some clean clothes

13 22:59:00 Blazeix hmm. s/wine's/uses wine for/

13 22:59:00 quark yeah I understood what you meant

13 23:00:00 andy753421 auchter: (or anyone else) if you want to do icpc, you had better sent me an email about it within the next 15 minutes or so

13 23:04:00 Morasique Blazeix: i just wine Vista, it's awesome

13 23:08:00 Blazeix I wonder what would happen if you wine cygwin

13 23:09:00 Blazeix other than going to hell, obviously

13 23:10:00 Blazeix oh interesting, it cygwin has an appdb entry

13 23:10:00 auchter Blazeix: probably the same thing that happens when you run avr-gcc compiled with mingw under wine

13 23:10:00 Blazeix s/it //

13 23:10:00 auchter glares at kleinjt

13 23:10:00 auchter andy753421: i think i'll have to pass on the ICPC, robotics is keeping me pretty busy

13 23:10:00 andy753421 auchter: alright

13 23:11:00 andy753421 that means i might have to deal with java :(

13 23:11:00 andy753421 anyone else up for some C programming?

13 23:12:00 octavious andy753421: i would, but i dont think i could make the time..

13 23:12:00 andy753421 hm.. ok

13 23:13:00 auchter heh, looking at the problems from the world championships, i probably would have fallen back to java on some

13 23:15:00 quark what is icpc

13 23:15:00 andy753421 international collegiate programming contest

13 23:16:00 auchter some of these problems look like fun actually, at least if you think huffman encoding is fun ;)

13 23:22:00 auchter i'm kind of surprised that there's not more interest in programming competitions here

13 23:22:00 quark do you guys frenquent alot of other irc channels?

13 23:22:00 quark small niche communities?

13 23:23:00 auchter i'm usually in here, #plan9, #inferno (when i don't forget), and #rhrt

13 23:23:00 quark hmm

13 23:24:00 quark i go to some really sweet channels

13 23:25:00 andy753421 i tend to be in #rhrt, #rhlug, #plan9, and #vim

13 23:26:00 quark lame lame and lame

13 23:26:00 octavious #math

13 23:26:00 quark haha

13 23:26:00 quark just this server e?

13 23:27:00 andy753421 I wonder if this will be allowed.. http://rafb.net/p/EaZ1UV78.html

13 23:28:00 auchter that's awesome.

13 23:28:00 octavious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyglot_(computing)

13 23:29:00 auchter nice link, i didn't know that's what it was called

13 23:30:00 auchter i've only really seen that in the ioccc entries

14 00:26:00 auchter ugh, i make the most idiotic mistakes when writing stuff in matlab.

14 00:44:00 andy753421 ough, i hate gentoo, who wants to start a new distro?

14 00:46:00 tommost andy753421++

14 00:46:00 quark but that wouldn't be ubuntu tom

14 00:46:00 tommost arbuntooianware FTW!

14 00:47:00 tommost It will support my Comparch project processor!

14 00:48:00 quark huh?

14 00:48:00 quark what is that

14 00:48:00 tommost arbuntooiandrakeware? It's the new distro.

14 00:49:00 quark ohh

14 00:49:00 quark i thought that might be something cool and real

14 00:49:00 tommost Er, make that arbuntooxaniandrakeware.

14 00:58:00 octavious andy753421: i am curious why you are throwing around the gentoo hate?

14 00:59:00 andy753421 it's getting some crazy feature creep

14 00:59:00 tommost He's clearly seen the light. He'll be switching to Arch any day now.

14 00:59:00 andy753421 everything is becoming way to complicated than it needs to be

14 00:59:00 andy753421 mostly it's the init system that scares me, and portage is getting crazy too

14 01:00:00 tommost This sounds like a distro I could get into.

14 01:00:00 octavious i thought the openrc fork was kind of unnecessary, but whatever...divide and conquer i guess

14 01:01:00 andy753421 forking it doesn't bother me, /etc/init.d/net is what bothers me

14 01:01:00 tommost Gentoo has its own init system now?

14 01:01:00 andy753421 tommost: it's always used a modified version of sysvinit

14 01:01:00 tommost It's all grown up.

14 01:05:00 quark bsd init > u

14 01:06:00 andy753421 quark: yea, i would have to agree with that

14 01:06:00 andy753421 although, parallel startup is sort of nice

14 01:07:00 auchter computers are fast enough that it's not necessary

14 01:07:00 quark i wish bsd was sweeter

14 01:07:00 quark i would totally run it on my laptop

14 01:07:00 auchter i could get behind a new distro, but i guess a main crieteria would be the ability to use a major distro's package system

14 01:09:00 quark which one?

14 01:09:00 quark i mean

14 01:09:00 quark thats why I would write my own distro

14 01:09:00 quark would be the package system

14 01:09:00 quark thats what makes a distro for the most part

14 01:09:00 auchter there's more to a distro than that

14 01:09:00 quark oh i know

14 01:10:00 quark liek the layout and stuff

14 01:10:00 auchter but my rationale is that i don't want to maintain thousands of packages

14 01:10:00 quark but a lot of that is goverened my the package manager

14 01:10:00 andy753421 agreed, writing a package whenever I want to install something would suck

14 01:11:00 andy753421 importing .ebuilds would possibly work

14 01:12:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure I would make the default for pretty much any package be the default './configure'

14 01:14:00 quark yeah

14 01:14:00 auchter until you get a package that uses scons ;)

14 01:15:00 andy753421 :'(

14 01:15:00 andy753421 also, i think the package manager should be written in mk

14 01:17:00 auchter i think you're mad

14 01:19:00 auchter actually, i wouldn't mind that

14 01:19:00 auchter basically doing something like the openbsd ports system would be nice

14 01:20:00 quark YES

14 01:20:00 quark i fucking love ports

14 01:20:00 quark if there were a ports for linux

14 01:20:00 quark omg

14 01:20:00 quark there would be cum everywhere

14 01:20:00 tommost quark--

14 01:20:00 octavious like...portage?

14 01:20:00 quark NO

14 01:20:00 quark not like portage

14 01:20:00 quark like ports

14 01:21:00 quark does your bot actually keep track of that karma bullshit?

14 01:21:00 octavious i believe http://crux.nu/ uses a ports-derivative..

14 01:22:00 quark maybe I should install that instead of arch

14 01:22:00 auchter octavious: not quite, though they call it that

14 01:22:00 tommost No! Arch needs you!

14 01:22:00 auchter openbsd ports is basically just a bunch of directories with Makefiles

14 01:23:00 auchter change into that directory, do ``make install'', and magickal things happen

14 01:24:00 quark tommost: do you guys have a bot to track karma?

14 01:24:00 tommost logview sums it up.

14 01:24:00 quark where do I see these results

14 01:24:00 tommost http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#scoreboard

14 01:24:00 quark bceause I'm going to write a script

14 01:25:00 quark to automatically take away karma when people fuck with mine

14 01:25:00 quark hmm

14 01:25:00 tommost And you'll do this by monitoring the logview page? Andy will love that.

14 01:25:00 quark it seems we have the same karma

14 01:25:00 quark no

14 01:25:00 tommost How quaint.

14 01:25:00 quark i'll write a perl script for irssi

14 01:25:00 quark tommost--

14 01:26:00 quark ha!

14 01:26:00 tommost Take that.

14 01:26:00 quark does it not log the non-voiced?

14 01:26:00 tommost No, it doesn't do anything.

14 01:26:00 quark tommost--

14 01:26:00 quark quark++

14 01:26:00 tommost Hah, you wish.

14 01:26:00 quark quark++

14 01:27:00 tommost shadghost--

14 01:27:00 quark oh probably doesn't work if its my own nick huh

14 01:27:00 takethat quark++

14 01:27:00 auchter relax

14 01:27:00 takethat ha ha!

14 01:28:00 tommost Time for bed. I register at an ungodly 7:00 tomorrow.

14 01:28:00 takethat i fucking win

14 01:29:00 quark i beat your system

14 01:29:00 auchter remember when discussion in here was relevant?

14 01:29:00 quark yeah

14 01:29:00 quark all buisness huh

14 01:29:00 quark so what

14 01:29:00 quark if there is not lug related things to talk about people just shouldn't talk at all?

14 01:30:00 auchter i hardly said that, i was just remarking

14 01:30:00 auchter i blame karma for it

14 01:30:00 quark just curious

14 01:30:00 quark why?

14 01:30:00 auchter that should be obvious

14 01:31:00 quark i don't see how the karma takes away from the relevant chat

14 01:33:00 quark goddamn i could go for a crabcake

14 01:34:00 quark stupid food network

14 01:36:00 auchter so it turns out allmy criticism of crossdev wasn't completely justified

14 01:37:00 auchter it worked rather well for me this weekend setting up i686 toolchain on and amd64 server

14 01:38:00 andy753421 do you even have to do that? i thought you could just switch -m32 and -m64?

14 01:38:00 andy753421 although, i haven't really played with amd64 so i'm not really sure how that all works

14 01:39:00 auchter would that work for ld and such too?

14 01:39:00 andy753421 not sure, you would probably need 64 bit versions of all the core libraries

14 01:39:00 auchter yep, likely.

14 01:40:00 auchter i just did it so i could use distcc. it works pretty nicely

14 01:41:00 andy753421 speaking of distcc.. s.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu is running i686 distcc at the moment if you're needing to compile anything big

14 01:41:00 andy753421 er, i mean d.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu

14 01:42:00 auchter you like the 1 letter hostnames, don't you

14 01:42:00 andy753421 i do, i have {a,d,s}.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu at the moment

14 01:43:00 andy753421 i'm trying to decide whether i want to reboot d back into plan9 or virtualize it and leave it running linux

14 01:44:00 andy753421 i've pretty much only been using it for drawterm anyway :/

14 01:44:00 auchter i'd virtualize it

14 01:45:00 andy753421 yea.. but that just seem so dirty

14 01:45:00 auchter if you can use kvm, it's really actually nice

14 01:46:00 andy753421 grumble, grumble, do you run kvm on the disk image or on a file?

14 01:46:00 andy753421 s/image//

14 01:46:00 auchter i run it on a file

14 01:47:00 auchter mainly because my server has two raid arrays, and i want the redundancy

14 02:16:00 shadghost tommost: wtf

14 02:26:00 Morasique yes tommost. wtf. i would provide context, but that would make too much sense; instead, i'm going to make you ask "...?" when you read this before i clarify

14 15:08:00 Morasique this is starting to get discouraging: http://mrozekma.com/irc.png

14 15:09:00 tommost Hehe.

14 15:10:00 tommost Yeah, I need to figure out why Pidin-in-Xpra-over-SSH crashes.

14 15:21:00 Morasique tommost: finch

14 15:21:00 Morasique problem solved

14 15:21:00 tommost I tried that. It sucks.

14 15:22:00 tommost I switched to Awesome so that I *don't* have to mange windows. thakyouverymuch.

14 15:22:00 tommost Finch makes you do that, but with the keyboard, which is even more plainful.

14 15:22:00 tommost Also, I like proportional fonts.

14 15:25:00 tommost is sad he left his AC adapter in Percopo

14 16:54:00 quark suck it

14 16:54:00 quark oops

14 16:54:00 quark wrong window

14 17:00:00 Morasique "suck it" is always applicable in #rhlug

14 17:06:00 quark well yeah

14 21:20:00 povilusr_desktop so anyone here do embeded code

14 23:18:00 tommost ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000].

14 23:18:00 tommost I'm going to categorize this as bad.

14 23:18:00 tommost Any ideas?

14 23:19:00 Morasique wow, i've never seen that. what are you doing?

14 23:19:00 kleinjt I tried writing in tex :)

14 23:19:00 auchter how did you fail so horribly?

14 23:19:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/84503/

14 23:20:00 tommost So I'm thinking infinite recursion somewhere.

14 23:20:00 tommost It's otherwise a very simple document.

14 23:23:00 tommost From the log:

14 23:23:00 tommost If you really absolutely need more capacity, you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.

14 23:23:00 auchter i can see why you like python so much, it appears you don't indent unless the language forcesyou

14 23:23:00 tommost Huh?

14 23:23:00 tommost I'm going to blame Jon for that.

14 23:23:00 auchter around line 400 and below

14 23:23:00 tommost Oh, yeah, that's all Jon.

14 23:24:00 kleinjt eh?

14 23:24:00 Morasique i didn't even know you could do sections as environments

14 23:24:00 tommost Oh, you don't have to do an environment?

14 23:25:00 auchter commenting that section out makes everything work

14 23:25:00 auchter i do sections as environments

14 23:25:00 kleinjt To be fair, I am also to blame for the horribly formatted table above line 400 also

14 23:27:00 Morasique it's something in the registers section, but i don't know what. it seems like there's just too many lines, but i don't see how that's a problem

14 23:27:00 auchter tables in latex are always horrible

14 23:27:00 tommost Yes, sadly.

14 23:27:00 tommost And they aren't even pretty.

14 23:28:00 auchter i'm guessing you have overlapping begin/end (sub)sections

14 23:28:00 auchter indentation might help sort that out...

14 23:28:00 kleinjt mmkay, uh.. I'll get on that

14 23:28:00 tommost Here's a start: http://dpaste.com/84504/

14 23:29:00 auchter that's indentation the wrong way

14 23:29:00 auchter i blame python for that

14 23:30:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/84505/

14 23:32:00 Morasique the stack pointer one on lines 476-479 is missing an argument

14 23:33:00 tommost Ooo.. that changed the error message.

14 23:34:00 Morasique yeah, that's the error i kept getting when i commented out random stuff, i think that error was shadowing this one

14 23:36:00 Morasique oh, you have tons of calls missing arguments

14 23:36:00 Morasique everything in "register signals", for example

14 23:37:00 Morasique oh, that's it, it looked worse

14 23:37:00 Morasique that section is the only problem

14 23:37:00 tommost I'm guessing that all of those should be \defsignal instead of \defcomp

14 23:37:00 kleinjt right, ok

14 23:37:00 kleinjt I'll change 'em

14 23:38:00 tommost Awesome, it works for me.

14 23:38:00 tommost Thanks, guys.

14 23:38:00 Morasique in the future, i highly recommend \section and \subsection instead of the environments; that's the first time i've ever seen the latter

14 23:39:00 tommost Why? Do you get better error messages?

14 23:40:00 kleinjt many thanks for the help, I think I've learned to indent my tex :)

14 23:40:00 auchter indentation is good...

14 23:41:00 kleinjt well, with 1920 pixels of screen width, it didn't seem necessary at the time

14 23:41:00 auchter well, if it makes you feel better, tom's indentation was over the top.

14 23:41:00 tommost Score!

14 23:54:00 tommost LaTeX tables really need to be less lame.

14 23:54:00 tommost Particularly the whole "don't wrap" bit.

14 23:55:00 Morasique supertabular

14 23:55:00 Morasique http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=supertabular

14 23:56:00 Morasique longtable does it too, but i've never used it

14 23:57:00 auchter Morasique: nice, i wasn't aware of those packages

15 00:03:00 tommost How do I use this? I don't see an sty file.

15 00:03:00 tommost The dtx file seems to contain tex code...;

15 00:04:00 tommost BRB

15 00:10:00 Morasique tommost: download the .dtx and .ins files and run latex on the .ins file, it converts the .dtx to a .sty

15 00:17:00 tommost Morasique: Thanks.

15 00:24:00 Morasique libfprint is awesome. libfprint++

15 00:26:00 ferrelaj_lapto1 Any idea while pressing any button on my 10key pad would make Ubuntu log me out

15 00:27:00 Morasique is that the numpad?

15 00:37:00 tommost Morasique: Do I have to do something special to get lines to wrap in the table? They're not doing so automatically.

15 00:39:00 Morasique oh, i thought you meant wrap across pages. you have to set column widths to make lines wrap, us p{\linewidth} or p{.5\linewidth}p{.5\linewidth} or whatever, instead of l in the table format

15 00:40:00 Morasique s/us /use/

15 00:40:00 tommost Ah, okay.

15 08:24:00 Morasique wow. netsplit power

15 08:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop anyone have any idea why pushing any button on my 10 key would be equiv. to <Ctrl>-<Alt>-<Backspace> ???

15 09:04:00 Morasique ferrelaj_laptop: last time you asked this i asked if you were referring to your numpad. then you left

15 09:05:00 ferrelaj_laptop ya

15 09:06:00 ferrelaj_laptop cuz I hit it by accident, and it wasn't worth coming back :-)

15 09:06:00 ferrelaj_laptop But yes, I did mean my numpad

15 09:17:00 ferrelaj_laptop Ok, looking back over that, maybe I need to rephrase: I hit A KEY ON MY NUMPAD (and logged off) and it wasn't worth logging on again

15 09:19:00 Morasique i would probably compare key codes to see if it's actually sending the wrong ones

15 09:20:00 Morasique does it type the numbers in a tty?

15 09:41:00 ferrelaj_laptop it does. I just did an Ubuntu update, maybe that'll fix it. I've gotta finish up some stuff then I'll try it again

15 11:43:00 quark sup cunts

15 11:43:00 quark anyone on fall break?

15 12:09:00 bolandmg Oh frabjous day! Flash 10 was released for Linux today and the performance is so much better! YouTube lovers rejoice!

15 12:24:00 tommost rejoices... or not

15 13:42:00 auchter why not? adobe attempting to fix the flash plugin is a good thing

15 13:43:00 auchter now, will it actually obey the z setting?

15 15:39:00 Morasique auchter: stop saying crazy things

15 15:46:00 auchter what's so crazy?

15 15:53:00 Morasique flash obeying the z setting

15 15:54:00 auchter is anyone running flash 10? i haven't installed it yet, but i think i will now

15 15:58:00 Blazeix I'm running it now.

15 15:58:00 Blazeix It seems to work o.k., but FF3 crashes hardcore whenever I try to fullscreen youtube videos

15 15:58:00 Blazeix Everything else is stable

15 15:59:00 auchter fullscreening works fine for me in firefox2

15 16:01:00 Blazeix Technically, I'm running swiftfox3, not ff3. That could also be an issue

15 16:30:00 tommost I'm not rejoicing because I probably still won't be able to fullscreen videos. Flash uses OpenGL to do that, and I suspect that I've hosed my system's OpenGL capabilities.

15 16:33:00 tommost re Bookstore e-mail: Awesome, thanks for giving me lots of time to get there before you closed today.

15 16:35:00 ZetaSyanthis anyone else getting very strange power ripples?

15 16:36:00 ZetaSyanthis the lights here at VQ keep flickering today at random, very softly and occasionally

15 16:58:00 auchter this is worrying: http://rafb.net/p/DRe27Z73.html

15 19:42:00 Morasique i updated firefox and now every time i right click the bookmarks menu appears. i can see this getting a bit annoying

15 20:04:00 Blazeix does anybody know of a lightweight browser with configurable key bindings?

15 20:06:00 tommost displays interest

15 20:10:00 auchter Blazeix: dillo, but it's pretty low on functionality

15 20:15:00 tommost There should be more Webkit-based browsers out there.

15 20:16:00 auchter webkit is hardly lightweight

15 20:16:00 tommost It's lighter-weight than Firefox.

15 20:18:00 tommost I don't think a fully-functional web browser is possible that meets your definition of lightweight.

15 20:22:00 Morasique nice: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/antigravity.py?rev=66902&view=markup

15 20:23:00 tommost Is that the antigravity module?

15 20:23:00 Morasique xkcd needs to mention python having a switch statement, apparently that's enough to get it in the language

15 20:33:00 Morasique shadghost left us

15 20:33:00 Morasique :'(

15 20:36:00 tommost 'cmon, andy753421

15 20:36:00 tommost auchter:

15 20:37:00 Morasique er. what?

15 20:37:00 andy753421 tommost is getting power hungry

15 20:38:00 Morasique for what?

15 20:38:00 andy753421 ops in #rhrt

15 20:38:00 Morasique ah

15 20:39:00 Morasique scary thought. once he has ops in enough channels he'll be ready to make his move

15 20:39:00 tommost We lost it due to power failure a couple of months back, and shadghost has been in there ever since preventing us from regaining it.

15 20:39:00 tommost He has a damn stable Internet connection.

15 20:40:00 Morasique er. why don't you register it?

15 20:40:00 Morasique it's still unregistered

15 20:40:00 andy753421 you have to have ops to register a channel

15 20:40:00 tommost I submitted the paperwork months ago.

15 20:41:00 Morasique oh, i didn't know that

15 20:41:00 Morasique well, you should've registered it ages ago :)

15 20:41:00 tommost I tried!

15 20:41:00 Morasique you tried? /msg chanserv register #rhrt

15 20:41:00 Morasique check

15 20:42:00 Morasique you should just switch to #rhrobotics or something

15 20:42:00 tommost Yeah, we need ops to register.

15 20:42:00 Morasique by "ages ago" i meant the moment you started the channel

15 20:46:00 Morasique well, i'm fine with him spreading to #rhrt if it means he leaves #rhlug

15 20:46:00 Morasique way to take one for the team

15 20:52:00 tommost Dang it.

15 20:52:00 andy753421 owned :P

15 20:52:00 tommost I was hoping that we'd all get kicked, like with markbot before.

15 20:52:00 tommost Maybe they didn't join fast enough... :)

15 20:53:00 tommost Eh, whatever.

15 21:11:00 Morasique it'd be nice if you talked about this in #rhrt since we have no idea what you're talking about

15 21:12:00 tommost There's a freenode op in there.

15 21:12:00 Morasique why?

15 21:12:00 tommost ...

15 21:13:00 andy753421 because tommost made a lot of noise

15 21:13:00 Morasique that cleared that up

15 21:13:00 Morasique afaik shadghost isn't doing anything wrong

15 21:13:00 Morasique you guys don't have any claim on the channel

15 21:13:00 Morasique hence the concept of chanserv

15 21:13:00 tommost I can't register the damn thing with him in there.

15 21:14:00 Morasique yeah, but there's nothing that says he has to leave

15 21:14:00 tommost It's not like I did anything against him.

15 21:14:00 tommost He left on his own.

15 21:14:00 Morasique so i remain confused why freenode ops are involved

15 21:14:00 tommost Stay that way. ;)

15 21:14:00 Morasique i suppose that's a slightly better answer than "..."

15 21:15:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/LxZhfi66.html =D

15 21:16:00 tommost Clearly I should have omitted the "sleep 1" call.

15 21:16:00 Morasique ah. they should ban markbot while they're at it

15 21:17:00 Morasique so why is he still there? lonely?

15 21:17:00 tommost No idea.

15 21:17:00 tommost Presumably making sure things don't get out of hand.

15 21:17:00 andy753421 aka to anger tommost :P

15 21:18:00 Morasique ah. i encourage that

15 21:22:00 Morasique this is cool: http://nickgravgaard.com/elastictabstops/

15 21:22:00 tommost Yeah, I saw that earlier.

15 21:23:00 tommost Very cool.

15 21:25:00 andy753421 so, anyone know what a `xstride' and a `ystride' are when talking about linear fits to data points?

15 21:30:00 andy753421 oh this is actually really neat

15 21:31:00 andy753421 xstride makes gsl_fit_linear skip every n elements in the x array

15 21:31:00 andy753421 so if you have xs[] = {1,2,3}; ys[] = {1,2,9}; you can do gsl_fit_linear(xs, 1, ys, 1, ...)

15 21:32:00 andy753421 but if you have data[] = {1,1,2,4,3,9}; you can do gsl_fit_linear(data, 2, data+1, 2);

15 21:32:00 tommost Oh, cool.

15 21:32:00 andy753421 at least i think that's what it does :)

15 21:33:00 tommost How does it know the length?

15 21:34:00 andy753421 oh, there's a bunch more parameters for gsl_fit_linear that I didn't include

15 21:34:00 tommost Ah, k.

15 21:34:00 andy753421 int gsl_fit_linear (const double * x, const size_t xstride, const double * y, const size_t ystride, size_t n, double * c0, double * c1, double * cov00, double * cov01, double * cov11, double * sumsq)

15 21:44:00 Morasique this 221 assignment has a single question: "how many of the 17 self-check problems did you read and think about?". i'm not sure it's worth my time to go through each file and see that everyone put down 17

15 21:44:00 andy753421 does it count if you think about reading them?

15 21:44:00 Morasique you also have to check your answer in the back

15 21:45:00 Morasique it must feel awesome to open your homework assignment and see that

15 21:45:00 tommost Yeah.

15 21:45:00 andy753421 sounds like a mutchler class

15 21:46:00 tommost There should be one 230 assignment like that early in the year, just to make each one you open later be all the more crushing.

15 21:46:00 auchter 230 is hardly a crushing course. it's nothing compared to conaps in terms of crushingness

15 21:46:00 auchter (homework wise)

15 21:47:00 Morasique i liked the 230 homework for the most part, it was programming work

15 21:47:00 Morasique i spent the last year of my life documenting systems i'm never going to implement

15 21:47:00 tommost That wasn't the impression I got from TAing Claude's class.

15 21:47:00 andy753421 Morasique/auchter: who did you have it with?

15 21:47:00 tommost My roommate was taking it; he spent a *lot* of time on the homework.

15 21:47:00 Morasique boutell

15 21:48:00 andy753421 i remember there being a lot of math in it

15 21:48:00 Morasique i don't really remember the assignments, i just remember i got to program stuff

15 21:48:00 auchter i had it with curt, and the majority was math

15 21:49:00 auchter math at various levels of coolness and tediousness

15 21:49:00 tommost Well, part of the issue was that they eliminated the Disco requirement, so lots of people there were not remotely familiar with doing proofs by induction.

15 22:01:00 Morasique i'm just happy they got rid of the ap cs b/c = 230 credit thing, i complained about that at every opportunity for 2 years

15 22:01:00 Morasique glares at tommost

15 22:01:00 tommost Yeah, it's cheap.

15 22:08:00 tommost If it helps, I now agree that Python should have a switch statement.

15 22:10:00 auchter even rc has a switch statement

15 22:12:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/84724/

15 22:13:00 auchter isn't there some coding standard you have that prohibits stuff like that?

15 22:13:00 auchter because if not, there should be

15 22:14:00 tommost :(

15 22:15:00 tommost Using if statements feels dirty.

15 22:15:00 Morasique at least use True and False instead of 0 and 1, that's just weird

15 22:16:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/84725/

15 22:16:00 Morasique i could picture what it looks like, but thanks :)

15 22:52:00 Morasique ooo. the one guy is a linux user

15 22:53:00 tommost Huh?

15 22:56:00 Morasique one of the 221 submissions, it has the filename at the top of the document, it's a linux path

15 22:56:00 tommost Bonus points!

15 22:56:00 Morasique :D

15 22:58:00 Morasique this assignment has another one of those "how many self check problems did you do". there are 22 problems, mutchler made the problem out of 7 points. it's like he tries to make the math terrible

16 00:14:00 auchter it'd be really nice if there was a userspace filesystem which served a directory structure identical to a specified directory, except that it transcodes flac to mp3 on reads.

16 00:15:00 auchter i suppose some difficulties with that would be seeks to the middle of files, and handling tags and such

16 00:15:00 auchter oh awesome, it already exists

16 03:59:00 Mishtal background info: im at my parents house for fall break. Im their computer guy, so whenever im home i try to keep their systems cleaned up. all of them run windows. the x64 amd dualcore gigabyte system was working amazingly well considering that my family knows nothing about computers. i go to update the windows xp pro 64 edition with all the latest bells and whistles.

16 03:59:00 Mishtal my dad asked me to update all the software.

16 03:59:00 Mishtal one of those pieces of software was internet explorer 6 -> IE 7

16 03:59:00 Mishtal during the middle of the installation, the computer completely locked up. ctrl&alt&del did nothing, no mouse movement. i left the system alone for half an hour, still nothing. i hit the power button, hoping for the best.

16 03:59:00 Mishtal now the desktop will allow me to do whatever i want on the bios / boot menu / anything but actually booting into windows.

16 03:59:00 Mishtal i managed to get it to load the intel 32 bit ibex beta CD i had in my laptop, but thats being pretty useless...

16 03:59:00 Mishtal does anyone have an idea on how i can get this to NOT result in a yelling contest between my dad and i in the morning?\

16 04:08:00 andy753421 Mishtal: leave town?

16 04:09:00 Mishtal andy753421: thats something that im considering

16 04:09:00 Mishtal i actually need to update my assessment

16 04:09:00 andy753421 hehe, do you have a windows boot disk?

16 04:09:00 andy753421 there's a recovery console or something that might help

16 04:09:00 Mishtal it might have been the unclean shutdown after i used windows update to install the nvidia driver updates

16 04:09:00 Mishtal well, im using my laptop, so i have cd-burning capabilitiess

16 04:10:00 Mishtal though im not sure how much that is going to help

16 04:10:00 Mishtal as for a boot disk, yea there is a 98 bootdisk somewhere

16 04:10:00 Mishtal but the system has 0 floppy drives

16 04:10:00 andy753421 did it come with an XP install disk, that should work..

16 04:11:00 Mishtal i built the system for my dad

16 04:11:00 Mishtal but he DOES have an install disk for it somewhere

16 04:11:00 Mishtal im just not a big fan of going to him and asking for it.....

16 04:11:00 Mishtal especially not at 3 am

16 04:11:00 andy753421 if it's around, or if you can burn a backup copy i that should work

16 04:13:00 Mishtal found it

16 04:14:00 Mishtal this is noottttt my dad. major carpal tunnel, hoarse voice from having people call me all day, and impending parental doooooommmm

16 04:31:00 Mishtal andy753421: for the next thirty seconds, in a completely platonic way, i love you. you have saved my ass from the wrath of a 6'2 300 lb construction worker with lots and lots of easily accessible power tools

16 04:32:00 andy753421 ... alright

16 04:32:00 Mishtal Aka, it worked

16 04:33:00 Morasique i find it immensely satisfying every time my dad's computer breaks, since not only can he no longer blame me for it, but it just proves i was right all the times i lived at home and claimed i had nothing to do with it breaking

16 04:35:00 Mishtal I particularly enjoy when my dad calls me asking how to fix what my brother did to the computer, right after my brother calls asking how to fix what my dad did... when the whole time it was what my mom did. its so refreshing to not be blamed for things

16 04:58:00 Morasique best possible answer for the question on what an extreme programming team should do if the project is running late: "use a late day". it's going to be a sad day when they get real jobs and realize there isn't an early/late day policy

16 05:02:00 Morasique for "what's dangerous about this method?": "it doesn't change anything, it just does a calculation and returns in". functional programmers are going to be depressed when they hear this

16 05:07:00 andy753421 Morasique: no late day policy? Clearly you weren't paying attention to the case studies during 372 ;)

16 05:32:00 Morasique andy753421: good point

16 05:32:00 Morasique s/good/depressing/

16 14:31:00 Morasique i'm reading a review of a program that sends your current IP and other info to a server in case your machine is ever stolen (and i guess the criminals are stupid enough to boot into your OS); apparently the mac os version uses the built in camera to take periodic photographs, according to review you can't even tell it's happening. it would concern me that such a thing is possible, how has nobody written a mac virus that just captures pictures and upload

16 14:38:00 auchter Morasique: because putting that many pictures of turtleneck wearing smug people on the internet would be far too dangerous

16 15:24:00 Morasique i don't know if i've ever hated teammates as much as i do in teeworlds. apparently there are a whole lot of people with no clue how to play capture the flag

16 16:44:00 auchter well, ctf has too many complicated rules

16 17:03:00 Morasique it does, with the multiple flags, and all the colors

16 17:04:00 Morasique i can't believe how many people answered the question "how would you use an anonymous class to do this?" with "i would use an anonymous class"

16 17:08:00 auchter are you grading while playing video games?

16 18:25:00 Morasique auchter: i get bored grading very quickly

16 18:26:00 Morasique so i switch off

16 19:19:00 andy753421 hey, i just had a good idea

16 19:20:00 andy753421 `they' should make web browser that has persistent bookmarks

16 19:20:00 andy753421 or maybe unpersistent, or maybe that's the wrong word entirely

16 19:20:00 tommost Yeah, I have no idea what you mean.

16 19:21:00 andy753421 anyway, so when you open the bookmark in a new tab and then click links it automatically re-saves to the current page when you close the tab

16 19:21:00 tommost Oh, so like a bookmarkable session?

16 19:21:00 andy753421 that way if you're reading though an archive of old stories or something you don't have to re-save which one you're on each time

16 19:22:00 tommost Yeah, I've often wanted a way to simply join a group of tabs and open/close them together.

16 19:22:00 tommost For instance, save a group of robotics-related tabs for use later.

16 19:22:00 andy753421 you can save a group of tabs to a bookmark folder, but that wouldn't really help

16 19:22:00 tommost Yeah, it's a pain.

16 19:23:00 andy753421 ...

16 19:23:00 tommost Bookmarking in general is a pain.

16 19:23:00 minifig904 TabMix Plus can close multipe tabs, but bookmarking is still a pain.

16 19:23:00 andy753421 right click -> open all in tabs

16 19:23:00 tommost Firefox has two totally different bookmark dialogs, both with different information.

16 19:23:00 andy753421 that wouldn't help with what I want anyway

16 19:24:00 minifig904 Nah

16 19:25:00 andy753421 oh, another cool thing would be a File->Recent for any recently viewed pages on the current domain or domain/path

16 19:37:00 minifig904 ok, dvtm+screen is pretty cool

16 19:38:00 tommost Nice.

16 19:40:00 minifig904 Definitely need to re-compile it so that ctrl+tab and ctrl+shift+tab swap between terminals....

16 19:45:00 Morasique one of the 221 questions was to say whether you like anonymous or inner classes more; one guy said they both seemed bad, and it seems like you should just be able to pass functions to other functions as arguments. 5 weeks into 120 and this freshman sees the utility of first-class functions, but the people who designed java didn't

16 19:45:00 Morasique s/120/221/

16 19:46:00 andy753421 Functors!

16 19:46:00 andy753421 for the lose..

16 19:47:00 minifig904 Java--; "C"++; "C++"++; Python++;

16 20:20:00 Morasique andy753421: wow. i just moved on to the next assignment, the second question is "in 20 words or fewer, what is a functor?"

16 20:21:00 andy753421 a poor excuse for pointers ;)

16 20:22:00 Morasique the key answer is actually "an object that exists solely to carry along a method"; it's good that they don't try to pass it off as some java feature other languages should envy

16 20:22:00 minifig904 They don't

16 20:22:00 minifig904 They make sure everyone is welcome to the idea that it is a linguistic hack

16 20:25:00 Morasique oh good, and they covered the comparable interface in the same episode. because allowing overrides of < and > would be wrong

16 20:28:00 Morasique er. s/episode/assignment/

16 20:28:00 Morasique i may be watching tv at the same time :)

16 20:28:00 minifig904 nice....

17 00:41:00 Morasique i'm not sure how i used to live without two monitors, but i now crave a third

17 00:41:00 Morasique in case anybody was looking for christmas ideas for me

17 00:41:00 Morasique #rhlug secret santa ftw

17 00:42:00 auchter monitors are distracting

17 00:48:00 andy753421 Morasique: oh really?

17 00:48:00 andy753421 muhahaha

17 01:04:00 auchter i'm scared now

17 01:07:00 tommost I need a computer to host my monitors. It's a never-ending problem. :(

17 01:09:00 auchter i have a sudden urge to buy a braille teletype display

17 01:10:00 auchter luckily i've supressed it for now

17 01:10:00 tommost You should make one that is an attachment for your laptop. Senior project.

17 01:12:00 Morasique auchter: ever seen sneakers?

17 01:12:00 tommost Er, random much?

17 01:12:00 Morasique whistler in that movie has a braille display

17 01:13:00 tommost Ah.

17 01:13:00 Morasique and he's awesome, so by extension so are they

17 01:13:00 Morasique it worries me that people may have not seen that movie. rhlug movie night

17 01:13:00 tommost Seconded.

17 01:14:00 Morasique hmm. somebody gave their answer to the "how many review questions did you do?" question in hex

17 01:15:00 tommost You should interpret all of the other answers in octal, just to make the hex person count more.

17 01:32:00 kleinjt sneakers is an awesome movie

17 01:33:00 kleinjt I'd watch it for the fifth or sixth time if there is a lug movie night. I'd even bring rice.

17 01:34:00 minifig904 Morasique: Would that hex person happen to have a last name beginning with S?

17 01:37:00 minifig904 eh, nvm...

17 04:47:00 Morasique fill-in the blank question: this algorithm is O(n^__). one answer: M^Z. that's M to the Zth power. there is no M nor Z anywhere in the problem

17 04:49:00 Morasique gah! another person used "u" instead of "you" throughout the worksheet. instant fail

17 05:05:00 octavious i absolutely LOVE breaking my bandwidth limit

17 09:50:00 andy753421 Morasique: z == 2?

17 10:53:00 auchter lug movie nights... sneaker, plan 9 from outer space...

17 13:28:00 auchter Morasique: are you using the urbanterror 4 package from portage?

17 13:58:00 Morasique auchter: no, i didn't know it was in portage

17 17:50:00 Morasique wow. mutchler stole the questions for this assignment from a website, he even includes the link in the assignment. the website helpfully provides the answers as well

17 17:56:00 Morasique i crave assignments like this: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse221/200910/Homework/Homework18.htm

17 17:56:00 andy753421 anyone here use fedora?

17 17:57:00 kleinjt http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse232/0809a/Homework/csse232_hw4.pdf <-- I stilll haven't gotten solutions to this homework assignment :/

17 17:59:00 auchter homework 18? is he mad?

17 18:18:00 Morasique auchter: that's just written assignments, that's not projects

17 18:18:00 Morasique which is why there's normally 3 people grading this class, for some reason he refuses to hire more people

17 18:18:00 Morasique hence my ultra-fun break

17 18:20:00 andy753421 Morasique: who's that for?

17 18:22:00 Morasique andy753421: who's what for?

17 18:22:00 andy753421 TAing

17 18:22:00 Morasique oh. mutchler

17 18:22:00 andy753421 ah

18 03:51:00 Morasique nice. somebody claimed an early day on the "go have fun on break" assignment

18 11:31:00 quark magic mushrooms!!

18 11:31:00 quark yum yum

18 16:50:00 tommost Someone spread A1 steak sauce all over the Percopo kitchen.

18 16:50:00 tommost :'(

18 17:02:00 Morasique er. like they made a mess, or intentionally spread it everywhere?

18 17:23:00 tommost Like everywhere.

18 17:30:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/kitchen/CIMG5768.JPG

18 17:30:00 tommost Those bins in the back are mine.

18 17:31:00 tommost And the black thing on the floor is an espresso machine, I think.

18 17:33:00 Morasique wow. impressive

18 17:39:00 auchter wow. and calling that an ``espresso machine'' is like calling a small tricycle a motorcycle

18 17:39:00 tommost I don't really know what one looks like, but it looks like the thing that my crazy roommate called an espresso machine.

18 17:40:00 auchter i suppose some people would call it that, but what it produces is far from espresso

18 17:40:00 Morasique auchter: i think you may have missed the point of that picture

18 17:40:00 auchter it's in the category of espresso machines which inexplicably use steam to force the water through the coffee

18 17:41:00 auchter also, the water's entirely too hot

18 17:41:00 auchter you're at the pressure's mercy for how long the shot takes, too

18 17:43:00 auchter i'd guess those machines and starbucks are responsible for people mistakenly thinking that they do not like espresso

18 20:12:00 tommost So is there any further interest in T-shirts?

18 20:13:00 andy753421 how much did the robotics shirts cost?

18 20:13:00 tommost jboticsource?

18 21:12:00 tommost Well, that discussion went far.

18 21:22:00 Morasique i finally figured out why thunderbird refused to add an ldap server when i told it to: i didn't have ldap support compiled in. they should really have an error message for that, or not show that section in the options window

18 22:21:00 Morasique anybody ever use colored cells in tables in latex? i've never figured out how to make it look right, i don't know why it's so difficult

18 22:30:00 Morasique multicolumn cells have the same problem. tables are unbelievable in latex, i can't believe people stand for this

19 00:34:00 jboticsource sry, i was speed skating.

19 00:35:00 jboticsource i got it for 15 per without shipping. if we were to order in larger quantity, we could prob get it to 10

19 00:36:00 jboticsource and for those of you that have not seen the robotics shirts, they are emboridered on good shirts. it is the good stuff.

19 00:47:00 tommost I doubt that there will be any more LUG shirts than there were RT shirts.

19 00:47:00 tommost But I'd pay $15.

19 00:48:00 andy753421 one of the girls in the CS Dept. has an embroidering machine and said that she might be able to make shirts for us if we pay he

19 00:48:00 andy753421 r

19 00:50:00 andy753421 if we get a large number it'd probably be easier to go to some company though

19 01:31:00 Morasique i can't imagine we'll have a large number, we can't even get a large number to meet weekly

19 11:12:00 tommost Is a GeForce FX 5200 better/worse than a GeForce 6200?

19 11:48:00 kleinjt tommost: the FX 5200 is much worse than the 6200

19 11:48:00 kleinjt the FX series was pretty terrible

19 11:51:00 tommost Thanks. I'm buying a PCI graphics card :)

19 12:04:00 povilusr_desktop anyone take 230 last year and want to get rid of their book?

19 14:30:00 povilus does anyone know how to set scaling in latex, some of the pictures are drawing with lengths between like 0 and 10 ish and a different one that is causing me problems is using numbers approximately 0 to 100

19 14:50:00 povilus http://pastebin.com/mccc1c80 does not work

19 14:51:00 povilus http://pastebin.com/m10fe283a

19 14:51:00 povilus works

19 14:51:00 povilus its obviously a scaling problem but i cannot figure out where that scal happens

19 14:55:00 povilus it seems to be \setlength{\unitlength}{1in}, but what is the default because one of the previous authors sets it to 1in then it needs to be the default later on

19 15:03:00 Morasique wow. i don't think i've ever seen somebody make graphics inside latex, i feel kind of bad for you

19 15:12:00 povilus there all like this

19 15:12:00 povilus its amazing

19 15:16:00 povilus any by amazing i mean EVIL as some of the pictures the unit legnth is 1in some its 3.5 pt some its 1 pt and some i had to modify to be 3.2 pt such that it fit

19 15:27:00 povilus although safly it is more portable than eps or pds

19 15:27:00 povilus er pdf

19 15:34:00 tommost Really?

19 15:36:00 povilus seing as how pdflatex cannot use eps files

19 15:37:00 tommost Oh, yeah. That's lame.

19 15:42:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m76426415

19 15:42:00 Morasique java's dead code detector should really include the excluded middle law

19 16:47:00 Morasique facebook makes me sad: http://mrozekma.com/facebook.png

19 17:02:00 auchter povilus: the sign on your senior project table is awesome.

19 17:03:00 povilus yeah, trey put that up

19 17:14:00 tommost povilus: Have you gotten audible results yet?

19 17:15:00 povilus no

19 17:15:00 tommost :(

19 17:15:00 povilus yeah, the transformer seemes messed up

19 17:16:00 tommost You should make your project involve Linux somehow so that you can present on it to the LUG.

19 17:18:00 povilus yeah, uh no digital hardeware, at all

19 17:23:00 auchter port linux to analogue hardware, i'm sure it'd run on a few caps and inductors

19 21:29:00 andy753421 octavious: when you started using qingy, did you have problems with keys not repeating when you hold them down?

19 21:41:00 octavious andy753421: no. i havent noticed that issue.. are you talking within X?

19 21:41:00 andy753421 yea

19 21:42:00 octavious hmm. thats bizarre. i have not had an issue

19 21:42:00 andy753421 are you using ~/.xsession?

19 21:47:00 octavious andy753421: yes.

19 21:48:00 octavious andy753421: http://pastebin.ca/1231464

19 21:53:00 andy753421 apparently it has to do with my ~/.Xmodmap

19 21:54:00 andy753421 i have that swapping Ctrl and caps lock and it apparently breaks things

19 21:54:00 andy753421 but only when it's called by ~/.xsession

19 22:18:00 tommost Now comes the moment of truth: will my keyboard cut out when I plug in the USB tuner?

19 22:18:00 tommost Wow, it hasn't.

19 22:18:00 tommost :D

19 22:19:00 octavious so i was thinking about converting my resume to LaTeX, and found this which might be useful to everyone: http://stefano.italians.nl/archives/5

19 22:20:00 auchter yeah, i saw that today, looked like a cool article

19 22:21:00 auchter i'm using a modified version of this guy's resume class (http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~csuros/latex.html), but i'm not completely happy with it, so i might end up redoing it at some point

19 22:38:00 auchter i love maple: http://rafb.net/p/1St8b357.html

19 23:22:00 quark i love maple syrup

19 23:22:00 quark i love maple syrup :http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11748358/Organic_Maple_Syrup.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/11748358/Organic_Maple_Syrup.html&h=800&w=600&sz=44&hl=en&start=1&um=1&usg=__RM0qJywkRCQ-kryJ1-snolLLi7g=&tbnid=z0e3sDy8s932lM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmaple%2Bsyrup%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN

19 23:22:00 quark YES

19 23:44:00 Morasique .....

20 00:14:00 quark oh noooo

20 00:14:00 quark i got de voiced

20 00:14:00 quark fuck your voicing

20 00:14:00 quark i've said that before

20 00:14:00 quark you guys are tools about it

20 00:16:00 ardnew I will compile your faces

20 00:16:00 quark hey!

20 00:16:00 quark you must know about linux!

20 00:16:00 quark i'm knew to such things

20 00:17:00 quark i'm trying to learn

20 00:17:00 ardnew u just need to get the ubuntu csrom

20 00:17:00 quark osweet

20 00:17:00 ardnew and start ur comp with it in the drive

20 00:17:00 quark is that like uberhax?

20 00:17:00 Morasique i saw the "okstate.edu" and knew automatically this was going to be bad

20 00:17:00 ardnew oshi-

20 00:17:00 ardnew they're on to me

20 00:17:00 quark Morasique: how do you figure?

20 00:17:00 quark whats wrong with that

20 00:17:00 quark thats my hostname too

20 00:17:00 Morasique perceptive

20 00:18:00 quark I thought you guys liked me :/

20 00:18:00 ardnew internet tough guys

20 00:18:00 quark ardnew knows tons about linux

20 00:18:00 quark so fuckign cool

20 00:18:00 ardnew I am pretty awesome

20 00:19:00 ardnew thx

20 00:19:00 quark no prob

20 00:19:00 quark why is everyone so quiet

20 00:20:00 Morasique by "everyone" i assume you mean everyone but you

20 00:20:00 quark yes

20 00:20:00 quark wasn't it quite obvious by the context?

20 00:21:00 Morasique yes, i was making fun of you. apparently too subtly

20 00:21:00 quark i guess you need things spelled out for you

20 00:21:00 quark on the contrary my friend

20 00:21:00 quark i was making fun of you. apparently too subetly

20 00:22:00 quark nothing quick to say?

20 00:22:00 quark i am dissapointed

20 00:22:00 Morasique yes, you got me, your ability to feign massive ignorance is indeed impressive. can't you go annoy people in other channels?

20 00:22:00 Morasique we used to have nice conversations in here, and now half the people in this channel are just annoying

20 00:23:00 auchter has anyone set up their own mail server that's registered with IAIT, as per this page: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/email/

20 00:23:00 quark i don't think i interrupt "nice converstation"

20 00:23:00 Morasique auchter: Blazeix has i think

20 00:23:00 quark in fact sometimes i contribute to it

20 00:23:00 auchter alright, because i want to get a mail server setup on the plan9 server at some point

20 00:24:00 Morasique i think you just e-mail them and they give you permission to go through their smtp server

20 00:24:00 auchter ah, cool.

20 00:24:00 auchter first those boxes need to find a new home, a home that's not in the CS lab with their crazy routing rules

20 00:24:00 Morasique it's pretty much that or the robotics lab

20 00:25:00 quark you could put them off campus

20 00:25:00 auchter i know, which is sad

20 00:25:00 auchter i could, but then they wouldn't have public ips

20 00:25:00 quark they could

20 00:25:00 quark there are plently of dynamic dns services

20 00:26:00 auchter i don't see how that applies

20 00:26:00 quark so

20 00:26:00 quark people get assigned an ip when they connect to the internet

20 00:26:00 quark but it changes for some people

20 00:26:00 Morasique what's an "ip"?

20 00:26:00 auchter thanks, i was unaware

20 00:26:00 Morasique is that like a router?

20 00:26:00 quark well you say you don't see how that applies....

20 00:27:00 auchter well, i don't

20 00:27:00 quark off campus people get public ips

20 00:27:00 quark just not static ips

20 00:27:00 auchter obviously, but i only get one ip

20 00:27:00 quark ....

20 00:27:00 Morasique this is semi-comical

20 00:27:00 auchter actually, i have a static ip.

20 00:27:00 quark so

20 00:27:00 quark yeah I guess it depends on your isp

20 00:27:00 quark i think

20 00:27:00 auchter ...

20 00:27:00 Morasique yes. yes it does

20 00:27:00 quark you are hinting at the fact that you can't run them all on the same port

20 00:28:00 auchter that is indeed what i'm hinting at.

20 00:28:00 quark but you said

20 00:28:00 quark you get a public ip

20 00:28:00 quark and I said

20 00:28:00 quark you get the same off campus

20 00:28:00 auchter i'm not sure where this is heading anymore

20 00:28:00 Morasique auchter: it was never heading anywhere

20 00:28:00 Morasique it's big of you to think it was though

20 00:29:00 Morasique i would voice you, but it might make quark angry, and i don't want to be called a tool again

20 00:29:00 auchter ok, quite simply: i would like each of those machines to have public ip addresses.

20 00:29:00 auchter i am only paying for 1 IP address from my ISP.

20 00:29:00 auchter rose provides me with as many public IPs as i would like

20 00:29:00 auchter hence, i'd like them to be on campus

20 00:30:00 quark Morasique: i feel like you guys voice me just so you can take it away again

20 00:30:00 quark its fucking stupid

20 00:30:00 quark i can't count the numb er of tiems i've been voiced and de-voiced in this channel

20 00:30:00 Morasique mostly de-voiced, if that helps

20 00:30:00 ardnew if you're only paying for one public IP, that's all you're going to get..

20 00:31:00 ardnew that should be obvious

20 00:31:00 Morasique ...wow

20 00:31:00 Morasique i'm going to get Blazeix, he's missing this

20 00:31:00 quark Morasique: can you devoice someone that dosen't have voice?

20 00:31:00 tommost I use voicing as a karma vote, albeit one that doesn't actually count.

20 00:31:00 quark i guess you can

20 00:31:00 quark such tools

20 00:31:00 Morasique quark: yes, we went over this last time

20 00:31:00 quark rather than saying you don't liek me

20 00:32:00 quark you type a command

20 00:32:00 quark its kind of like a metaphor

20 00:32:00 auchter and that was kind of like a similie

20 00:33:00 ardnew simile

20 00:33:00 Morasique and metaphors are for tools

20 00:33:00 auchter simian?

20 00:34:00 ardnew sentient

20 00:34:00 tommost auchter: You could use your newfound e-mail expertise to set it up on the RT server, too.

20 00:34:00 quark Morasique: are you calling yourself a tool or mocking me

20 00:34:00 quark i'm not sure

20 00:34:00 quark is ignorant

20 00:34:00 Morasique i know you're not

20 00:34:00 auchter tommost: my mind went numb the last time i messed with postfix.

20 00:34:00 tommost I looked at messing with it and my mind went numb.

20 00:34:00 auchter no wait, that was sendmail. all i remember is a bunch of m4

20 00:35:00 Morasique this sounds like when i got bored and tried setting up a dns server

20 00:35:00 auchter how'd that go?

20 00:35:00 Morasique i got tired of fighting with it

20 00:36:00 Morasique dyndns.org was too tempting

20 00:36:00 Blazeix auchter, for the iait email thing you just set up a mailserver with emailrelay.rose-hulman.edu as the relayhost

20 00:36:00 auchter i use sitelutions for dns

20 00:37:00 auchter oh, awesome

20 00:37:00 Blazeix then contact them and they whitelist your server

20 00:37:00 Morasique Blazeix: don't you need permission to do that?

20 00:37:00 Morasique ah, yes

20 00:37:00 Blazeix They did it incredibly fast when I contacted them, like within an hour

20 00:38:00 Morasique they're probably so desperate to avoid my tickets they'll handle anything else

20 00:38:00 auchter i likely won't get around to doing this for a while, i was just curious how it worked

20 00:38:00 tommost IAIT is inconsistent like that.

20 00:38:00 Blazeix Everything else I ask for takes weeks, so I guess they like to throw me a curveball now and then

20 00:38:00 tommost OOooo... new blood.

20 00:38:00 quark don't one of you work for them?

20 00:38:00 Blazeix I do

20 00:38:00 Morasique tommost: yes, that works out so well

20 00:38:00 matsuura are you sure?

20 00:38:00 Blazeix Hardware section though, not network side

20 00:38:00 quark OH

20 00:38:00 Blazeix Morasique: tool.

20 00:38:00 Morasique :'(

20 00:38:00 quark look at you with your power

20 00:39:00 quark Blazeix: thats what I said

20 00:39:00 Blazeix quark, amazing.

20 00:39:00 matsuura So what is going on here tonight? :D

20 00:39:00 tommost ...

20 00:39:00 quark Morasique acts like a 70 year old man

20 00:39:00 matsuura wait, whoa whoa, where the hell is my +v? :(

20 00:39:00 auchter wait, who are you?

20 00:39:00 Morasique i think i jumped another decade

20 00:39:00 matsuura I am thy

20 00:39:00 matsuura o_o

20 00:40:00 quark Morasique: 2 actually

20 00:40:00 quark last time it was 50

20 00:40:00 matsuura maybe he ages quickly?

20 00:40:00 matsuura o_o

20 00:40:00 quark in the head for sure

20 00:40:00 quark ;

20 00:40:00 matsuura :(

20 00:40:00 quark i like the way you think matsuura

20 00:40:00 quark finally someone I can agree with

20 00:41:00 tommost #rhlug: Should I kick him?

20 00:41:00 matsuura hmm, thats cool.

20 00:41:00 auchter there's a conspriacy, isn't there

20 00:41:00 auchter tommost: kicking people isn't cool

20 00:41:00 matsuura yeah, the US

20 00:41:00 matsuura the US is a conspiracy

20 00:41:00 Morasique tommost: i've been for banning people for a while, but auchter is all "no let's be friends"

20 00:41:00 matsuura I like friends?

20 00:41:00 quark Morasique: you wouln't ban me would you?

20 00:41:00 matsuura :(

20 00:42:00 quark if you banned me I would personally show up to your meetings

20 00:42:00 Morasique ...that makes sense

20 00:42:00 quark and do a presentation

20 00:42:00 quark i've been to a meeting before

20 00:42:00 matsuura Haha, I like that

20 00:42:00 matsuura :D

20 00:42:00 matsuura what would you present, quark?

20 00:42:00 matsuura more crap on GIT? D:

20 00:42:00 quark dslinux

20 00:42:00 matsuura o_o

20 00:43:00 matsuura wow, that makes me want to suck my own cock

20 00:43:00 matsuura :(

20 00:43:00 quark it sure as hell beats a presenation on coreutils

20 00:43:00 matsuura lies

20 00:43:00 quark its ture

20 00:43:00 matsuura coreutils win!

20 00:43:00 Morasique quark: well, as people requested that one, it made sense

20 00:43:00 quark there really isn't much to talk about

20 00:43:00 quark Morasique: but i thought you didn't like me

20 00:43:00 quark i mean

20 00:44:00 quark dslinux

20 00:44:00 matsuura why not present something on like, sparcdr?

20 00:44:00 quark you flash linux on your ds

20 00:44:00 quark and thats it

20 00:44:00 quark it doesn't support wpa

20 00:44:00 quark only wep

20 00:44:00 quark whohooo

20 00:44:00 matsuura it supporst TKIP and PSK

20 00:44:00 matsuura both at the same time

20 00:44:00 tommost I return to find that I've been chastened. :(

20 00:44:00 matsuura tommost: what do you mean?

20 00:44:00 tommost "him" was a wildcard.

20 00:45:00 matsuura what is the sematic shit?

20 00:45:00 quark goddammit

20 00:45:00 quark why do you fuckers do that

20 00:45:00 quark lol

20 00:45:00 Morasique yes, let's have this discussion for the 5th time

20 00:45:00 quark YES LETS

20 00:45:00 tommost So that everyone whose nick is green is voiced and shown together in Pidgin.

20 00:46:00 quark green?

20 00:46:00 Morasique it's a color

20 00:46:00 quark oh thats right

20 00:46:00 quark you would use a gay irc client

20 00:46:00 matsuura tommost: dude, whyd you take my voice?

20 00:46:00 quark to go with your gay OS

20 00:46:00 tommost Well, it's a fine line, but...

20 00:46:00 matsuura what the hell

20 00:46:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, way to use gay things. gay = bad

20 00:46:00 quark i use a black and white irc client

20 00:46:00 Morasique ...why?

20 00:46:00 quark because irssi is better than everything else I use

20 00:46:00 quark I mean it supports color

20 00:47:00 matsuura So I think we should present silly crap like XTEA at the next lug meeting

20 00:47:00 tommost (but color is "gay")

20 00:47:00 matsuura :D

20 00:47:00 tommost What's XTEA?

20 00:47:00 quark tommost: i didn't say that

20 00:47:00 quark i said pidgin for irc was gay

20 00:47:00 matsuura tommost: well see, I would tell you, but, this is not the meeting

20 00:47:00 matsuura o_o

20 00:47:00 matsuura quark: pidgin forirc IS gay

20 00:47:00 quark but since you guys don't like the word gay apparently

20 00:47:00 Morasique quark: not as a pejorative, no

20 00:47:00 quark i'll just say shitty

20 00:47:00 auchter XTEA is dumb

20 00:47:00 Morasique auchter: yes it is

20 00:48:00 matsuura auchter: well yeah it is :D

20 00:48:00 matsuura why?

20 00:48:00 matsuura and there you have it, presentation material

20 00:48:00 matsuura give me my voice back

20 00:48:00 matsuura >:O

20 00:48:00 auchter it's elegant and ugly at the same time

20 00:48:00 auchter elegant in simplicity, ugly in the number of rounds

20 00:48:00 quark which is sweet as fuck

20 00:48:00 matsuura :D

20 00:48:00 tommost I've never seen that smiley before.

20 00:48:00 quark matsuura: he is just goign to take it away later....

20 00:48:00 matsuura auchter: agreed

20 00:49:00 matsuura quark: fuck him..

20 00:49:00 matsuura or something

20 00:49:00 matsuura :o

20 00:49:00 quark i agree

20 00:49:00 quark thats what they like to do

20 00:49:00 quark give you shit so they can take it away

20 00:49:00 matsuura o_o

20 00:49:00 Morasique you tend to keep voice longer when you don't say stupid things

20 00:49:00 matsuura that's pretty gay

20 00:49:00 Morasique like that

20 00:49:00 matsuura in a non homosexual way

20 00:49:00 auchter i could give a presentation on blowfish if crypto stuff is fair game

20 00:49:00 matsuura Morasique: dude, what?

20 00:49:00 Morasique crypto++

20 00:49:00 matsuura I said nothing yet, and that dude took it away

20 00:49:00 matsuura D:

20 00:49:00 quark Morasique--

20 00:49:00 tommost So I googled XETA and I'm at this site that is totally broken without JS and uses Flash... I am forced to conclude that I don't want to know what XETA is.

20 00:50:00 quark every time I speak I get it taken away

20 00:50:00 matsuura Morasique: forgot the semicolon

20 00:50:00 Morasique tommost: it's XTEA, it replaced TEA

20 00:50:00 quark I guess thats because everything I say is "stupid"

20 00:50:00 quark according to other people

20 00:50:00 matsuura tommost: based on a shitty site you found?

20 00:50:00 matsuura that's pretty retarded

20 00:50:00 tommost auchter++

20 00:50:00 matsuura semicolon please

20 00:50:00 matsuura D:

20 00:50:00 auchter matsuura: he programs in python.

20 00:50:00 matsuura fail++; // yes

20 00:51:00 auchter you're lucky he's not indenting crazily right now

20 00:51:00 matsuura oh, because he is lazy?

20 00:51:00 matsuura D:

20 00:51:00 matsuura shitty excuses

20 00:51:00 Morasique i feel like i've accidedntally ended up on myspace.com, i keep going to close the window and then i realize this is #rhlug and i die inside

20 00:51:00 matsuura you make linux devs look bad

20 00:51:00 Morasique yes, all python programmers are lazy

20 00:51:00 quark oh

20 00:51:00 quark sweet

20 00:51:00 matsuura :D

20 00:51:00 quark ragging on python

20 00:51:00 tommost Python doesn't support the ++ and -- operators, actually.

20 00:51:00 quark Morasique: thats something I can do

20 00:51:00 auchter Morasique: i haven't laughed at #rhlug this much in a long time

20 00:51:00 auchter still not as funny as #rhrt was tonight, though

20 00:52:00 tommost Oh, I missed something?

20 00:52:00 tommost checks the logs

20 00:52:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/LlZ0xr38.html

20 00:52:00 Morasique nice

20 00:52:00 matsuura you guys are faggots

20 00:53:00 matsuura I think

20 00:53:00 matsuura shrugs

20 00:53:00 quark matsuura: I know

20 00:53:00 matsuura when is the next meeting?

20 00:53:00 Morasique auchter: why are you against kicking these people again?

20 00:53:00 Morasique i forget

20 00:53:00 matsuura Morasique: im new

20 00:53:00 quark they don't listen too me though

20 00:53:00 tommost I just heard "faggot".

20 00:53:00 matsuura oh

20 00:53:00 Morasique tommost: yes, now you see where the myspace link comes in

20 00:53:00 matsuura that was a typo

20 00:53:00 matsuura o_o

20 00:53:00 auchter bassoons rock

20 00:53:00 quark tommost: and that word makes you perk up?

20 00:53:00 matsuura ashole

20 00:53:00 tommost A line was crossed.

20 00:53:00 quark aww

20 00:54:00 matsuura fuck that

20 00:54:00 matsuura pussy

20 00:54:00 quark someone is a little touchy

20 00:54:00 matsuura >_>

20 00:54:00 matsuura was a statement

20 00:54:00 matsuura \m/

20 00:55:00 matsuura hey

20 00:55:00 matsuura so umm

20 00:55:00 quark i should come do a presenataion

20 00:55:00 quark presentation*

20 00:55:00 quark that means you got oper right?

20 00:55:00 tommost Maybe.

20 00:55:00 matsuura :D

20 00:55:00 auchter of course

20 00:55:00 Morasique i have a feeling that policy would change fast

20 00:55:00 quark see I like auchter

20 00:55:00 matsuura can I get oper if I do a presentation?

20 00:55:00 tommost auchter: SSSSSHHHHHHH!!!

20 00:55:00 quark i met auchter first

20 00:55:00 quark auchter: was I the one that talked to you last year?

20 00:56:00 auchter quark: i have no idea who you are

20 00:56:00 quark you were talking to me before the first install fest

20 00:56:00 quark oh well tahts good I guess

20 00:56:00 auchter yeah, i don't remember.

20 00:56:00 quark word

20 00:56:00 auchter my memory doesn't serve me very well.

20 00:56:00 tommost quark: I know auchter from robotics.

20 00:56:00 Morasique it's possible you blocked it out

20 00:57:00 quark sweet

20 00:57:00 quark i have to live with tommost

20 00:57:00 matsuura tommost: do you remember me at all?

20 00:57:00 quark i like his roomates

20 00:57:00 matsuura the dude with that really ruggid looking dude with the hat?

20 00:57:00 quark some of them at least

20 00:58:00 tommost matsuura: Um... no?

20 00:59:00 quark too bad

20 00:59:00 quark he is a cool ddue

20 00:59:00 Morasique quite the endorsement

20 00:59:00 quark oh

20 00:59:00 quark is that you being sarcastic again???

20 00:59:00 Morasique i wouldn't do that

20 00:59:00 quark i'm so fucking ignorant you have to spell it out of me

20 01:00:00 quark s/of/for

20 01:00:00 quark i apologize for this flaw in my personal character

20 01:00:00 matsuura tommost: idk.. why the hell are you questioning if I know if you know?

20 01:00:00 matsuura that's dumb

20 01:00:00 matsuura but, can you help me install ubuntu

20 01:01:00 matsuura it keeps stopping

20 01:01:00 auchter ubuntu rocks

20 01:01:00 matsuura I know

20 01:01:00 matsuura it was awesome on the lice cd

20 01:01:00 tommost I intended to indicate that I am not sure what you mean, but that based on the extremely brief description you gave I have no clue whatsoever who you are.

20 01:01:00 matsuura but I cant install it

20 01:01:00 auchter s/ubuntu/plan 9/

20 01:01:00 matsuura tommost: oh, well you were all like, "man, you're pretty cool"

20 01:02:00 matsuura so what can I say?

20 01:02:00 matsuura auchter: play 9 is stupid

20 01:02:00 matsuura pan*

20 01:02:00 matsuura plan* >_<

20 01:02:00 quark loler skates

20 01:02:00 matsuura I love ubuntu though

20 01:02:00 matsuura like, you throw the CD in and you get this cool orange bird

20 01:02:00 matsuura and stuff just works

20 01:02:00 tommost If your nick bears any resemblance to your real name that wouldn't help me at all; I'm terrible with names.

20 01:02:00 matsuura but, I cant install

20 01:02:00 quark matsuura: if you love it so much why can't you install it

20 01:02:00 matsuura quark: because rhlug isnt helping me

20 01:02:00 quark i learned something today

20 01:02:00 matsuura :(

20 01:03:00 matsuura tommost helped me before

20 01:03:00 matsuura but he is acting like he doesnt know me

20 01:03:00 matsuura :\

20 01:03:00 tommost What is going wrong?

20 01:03:00 quark you can email people with firstname.lastname@rose-hulman.edu

20 01:03:00 auchter i'm still trying to figure out what the hell's going on in here

20 01:03:00 matsuura you and our friendship

20 01:03:00 quark i didn't know that

20 01:03:00 tommost I never said that I don't know you; I just don't have a fucking clue who you are. ;)

20 01:03:00 quark i thoguht it had to be kerberosbullshitblahblahblah@rose-hulman.edu

20 01:03:00 tommost auchter: I am being teased.

20 01:03:00 auchter quark: i thinking firstname.middleinitial.lastname@rose-hulman.edu works too, but i might be imagining things

20 01:04:00 Morasique auchter: it does

20 01:04:00 quark auchter: it probably does

20 01:04:00 collinjc Wow... I go home for four days and now I am entirely lost in what is going on here.

20 01:04:00 Morasique collinjc: it was really only the last hour or so

20 01:04:00 quark its fucking irc

20 01:05:00 quark do you normally monitor it every minute?

20 01:05:00 quark i thoguht it was supposed to be ad-hoc

20 01:05:00 Morasique 4 days >> every minute

20 01:05:00 quark apparently you guys like to know whats going on all the time

20 01:05:00 tommost collinjc: Don't worry; nothing much makes sense right now for any of us.

20 01:05:00 Morasique as opposed to enjoying ignorance? yes, i'd say that's accurate

20 01:06:00 quark i am completely following the conversation

20 01:06:00 quark its really not that hard

20 01:06:00 collinjc tommost: I see... Who the hell is quark?

20 01:06:00 tommost Eric, a sophomore CPE.

20 01:06:00 quark eriK* asshole

20 01:06:00 Morasique cpe. i am not even a little surprised

20 01:06:00 tommost He's actually always been here.

20 01:06:00 quark its true

20 01:06:00 quark i was actually here before tommost

20 01:07:00 tommost I'd expect you to be wondering about matsuura, who is still a mysterious figure to me.

20 01:07:00 quark unless he went by a differnt nick

20 01:07:00 collinjc tommost: Indeed I am.

20 01:07:00 tommost He tells me that we've met in real life.

20 01:07:00 quark you have

20 01:07:00 matsuura you guys

20 01:07:00 auchter man, stalking people with my schedule script + grep is fun

20 01:07:00 matsuura listen

20 01:08:00 matsuura I have a fat cock

20 01:08:00 matsuura book *

20 01:08:00 matsuura and I cant install ubuntu

20 01:08:00 matsuura help please

20 01:08:00 matsuura :(

20 01:08:00 quark auchter: you have a schedule scipt?

20 01:08:00 matsuura maybe at the next meeting?

20 01:08:00 quark s/scipt/script

20 01:08:00 tommost matsuura: For the nth time, tell me what's breaking!

20 01:08:00 auchter quark: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-10-20_05:04:14_1920x1200.png

20 01:08:00 auchter are my grep skills correct?

20 01:09:00 matsuura tommost: umm, the live cd if the shit doesnt install >:O

20 01:09:00 Morasique auchter: i like that script

20 01:09:00 tommost You're not giving me any details.

20 01:09:00 tommost auchter: I agree; it is awesome.

20 01:09:00 quark auchter: yessir right on the money

20 01:10:00 matsuura what details do you want?

20 01:10:00 tommost Like where does it fail?

20 01:10:00 quark auchter: did you grep on my firstname?

20 01:10:00 quark because thats a dead giveaway

20 01:10:00 matsuura tommost: during the install, obviously

20 01:10:00 quark since I spell it with a k

20 01:10:00 quark although

20 01:10:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-10-20_05:06:12_1920x1200.png

20 01:10:00 quark i dont' know how you got my last name

20 01:10:00 tommost matsuura: WHERE IN THE INSTALL‽

20 01:10:00 matsuura tommost: on my laptop

20 01:11:00 quark auchter: nice

20 01:11:00 Morasique quark: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/search.html

20 01:11:00 tommost matsuura: Are you trying to be frustrating?

20 01:11:00 quark auchter: I like how you still have the gentoo training wheels

20 01:11:00 auchter the awesome prompt?

20 01:11:00 quark nah

20 01:11:00 quark the colored $Ps1

20 01:11:00 auchter that's what i meant by "prompt"

20 01:11:00 quark OH

20 01:12:00 Morasique not everyone hates color you know

20 01:12:00 quark i thought you meant awesome as in the WM

20 01:12:00 matsuura tommost: no, I am frustrated though.. I told you the problem and you wont help :(

20 01:12:00 Morasique auchter loves awesome

20 01:12:00 tommost quark: No, he uses wmii2.

20 01:12:00 matsuura you just keep telling me that I dontknow what I am doing

20 01:12:00 Morasique tommost: stop telling lies

20 01:12:00 matsuura and I know this already

20 01:12:00 quark well its quite similar

20 01:12:00 tommost What is the installer doing when it fails?

20 01:12:00 Morasique tommost: i'm pretty sure he's intentionally talking you in circles

20 01:12:00 tommost Partitioning disks? Copying files?

20 01:13:00 matsuura tommost: failing

20 01:13:00 matsuura o_o

20 01:13:00 tommost Morasique: So am I.

20 01:13:00 Morasique my dad isn't this obtuse about computers

20 01:13:00 matsuura it sas "the install has failed"

20 01:13:00 matsuura that's it

20 01:13:00 Morasique just ignore him

20 01:13:00 quark why don't you guys devoice him

20 01:13:00 tommost I am an op. I can do more than that. :D

20 01:13:00 quark that way you know who to ignore

20 01:13:00 quark o_o

20 01:13:00 quark opers

20 01:13:00 tommost quark: He doesn't have voice.

20 01:13:00 quark yes I can see that

20 01:13:00 quark it was a fucking joke

20 01:14:00 tommost Wait, you tried to make a joke?

20 01:14:00 tommost Since when?

20 01:14:00 quark i know

20 01:14:00 matsuura o_o

20 01:14:00 quark i'm usually pretty serial

20 01:14:00 matsuura devoice me because I cant install?

20 01:14:00 matsuura that is lame

20 01:14:00 matsuura :(

20 01:14:00 tommost serial?

20 01:14:00 quark but tonight i'm feeling friskey

20 01:14:00 tommost literal?

20 01:14:00 quark tommost: do you watch southpark'

20 01:14:00 tommost quark: Nope.

20 01:14:00 quark i wouldn't really expect you to

20 01:15:00 quark its a southpark refence

20 01:15:00 Morasique just as i'm not at all surprised you do

20 01:15:00 matsuura meh

20 01:15:00 auchter ALGOREithms

20 01:15:00 quark Morasique: fair enough

20 01:15:00 matsuura o_o

20 01:15:00 quark Morasique: do you watch it?

20 01:15:00 Morasique no

20 01:15:00 quark why not?

20 01:15:00 matsuura because he is gay

20 01:15:00 quark too riskay?

20 01:15:00 Morasique i don't find it funny

20 01:15:00 matsuura then watch it

20 01:15:00 quark really?

20 01:15:00 matsuura o_o

20 01:15:00 Morasique and because i like men

20 01:15:00 Morasique mostly the latter

20 01:15:00 quark tommost: do you find southpark funny?

20 01:15:00 matsuura oh yeah, we new that already Morasique

20 01:16:00 matsuura knew*

20 01:16:00 Morasique some of you even knew it

20 01:16:00 matsuura I just said that

20 01:16:00 matsuura o-o

20 01:16:00 quark i really don't understand how you you dont think its funny

20 01:16:00 Morasique it's not a hard concept. they say things. i don't laugh

20 01:17:00 Morasique i'm a 50/70 year old man who doesn't like fart jokes

20 01:17:00 quark thanks

20 01:17:00 matsuura :o

20 01:17:00 quark i didn't understand what it meant to not find things funny

20 01:17:00 tommost I once watched an episode where they beat on Barbara Streisand. I didn't get it at all; I don't really even know who she is.

20 01:17:00 quark Morasique: you prove me more and more right every time

20 01:17:00 matsuura dude, south park rarely has fart jokes

20 01:17:00 matsuura wtf is wrong with you

20 01:17:00 matsuura youre fucking dumb

20 01:17:00 matsuura :(

20 01:17:00 quark tommost: oh yeah, all thoes jokes about the real world

20 01:17:00 matsuura :p

20 01:17:00 Morasique matsuura: it was a reference to something you weren't here for

20 01:18:00 matsuura oh

20 01:18:00 quark i can see how they are hard to understand

20 01:18:00 matsuura can you derefrence it then?

20 01:18:00 matsuura :o

20 01:18:00 auchter puppets who kill, now that's a tv show.

20 01:18:00 Morasique quark likes fart jokes; he called me an old man for not liking them

20 01:18:00 matsuura Morasique: can I get my voice back?

20 01:18:00 quark i did

20 01:18:00 quark its true

20 01:18:00 quark this is why I think you are 50-70 years old

20 01:19:00 tommost It's like the way that Team America wasn't funny; it just beat on celebrities. Since I don't give a shit about celebrity news, only their capabilities as performers, I thought it was stupid.

20 01:19:00 quark do I act like i'm 19?

20 01:19:00 matsuura o_o

20 01:19:00 matsuura you're and idiot tommost

20 01:19:00 quark matsuura: yup

20 01:19:00 tommost I can spell, at least.

20 01:19:00 quark oh

20 01:19:00 quark nice

20 01:19:00 quark spelling is where its fucking at

20 01:19:00 matsuura probably a minority too

20 01:19:00 tommost You got it.

20 01:19:00 matsuura spelling vs typing, idk

20 01:19:00 tommost That an capitalization.

20 01:20:00 auchter well done

20 01:20:00 matsuura yeah

20 01:20:00 quark i would trade all my sweet character traists if I could spell

20 01:20:00 matsuura you such at grammer

20 01:20:00 matsuura o_o

20 01:20:00 matsuura learn english, fool

20 01:20:00 matsuura :\

20 01:20:00 tommost :D

20 01:20:00 matsuura nigga want spit fire but can't put da shit out

20 01:20:00 matsuura D:

20 01:20:00 Morasique and there it is

20 01:20:00 auchter right, i'm depressed now, i'm going to go to sleep.

20 01:20:00 collinjc Wow.... I can literally feel my IQ dropping.

20 01:20:00 quark aww

20 01:20:00 collinjc Thank god. tommost++

20 01:20:00 Morasique auchter: good call

20 01:21:00 tommost bows

20 01:21:00 quark what set you off?

20 01:21:00 quark niggas?

20 01:21:00 quark i guess I found it

20 01:21:00 quark why do you kick people for saying that?

20 01:21:00 quark are you intolerant?

20 01:21:00 quark of the intolerant?

20 01:21:00 Morasique yes, tommost: why do you hate racists?

20 01:21:00 tommost Disco!!! Now!!! Me!!! Goodbye!!!

20 01:21:00 Morasique they're people too you know

20 01:21:00 quark thast what it sounds like to me

20 01:22:00 quark exactly!

20 01:22:00 quark dude

20 01:22:00 collinjc quark: I haven't been around for most of this conversation, but it seems to me that the kick was not the result of an isolated incident.

20 01:22:00 quark black people say nigga

20 01:22:00 Morasique i'm going to print up "racist -- ok by me" signs and post them everywhere

20 01:22:00 quark how can that possibly be racist

20 01:23:00 Morasique sigh. seriously?

20 01:23:00 jesus_ \o

20 01:23:00 quark Morasique: yeah

20 01:23:00 collinjc Gee. I wonder who this could be.

20 01:23:00 quark if they call themselves that

20 01:23:00 quark how is that possibly racist

20 01:23:00 jesus_ yeah, what are you guys talking about?

20 01:23:00 quark if i refer to my friends as "friends"

20 01:23:00 jesus_ niger or someplace?

20 01:23:00 jesus_ err, nigger

20 01:23:00 jesus_ nigga rather

20 01:23:00 quark is it racist for them to call my friends "friends"

20 01:23:00 jesus_ o_o

20 01:23:00 jesus_ yes

20 01:24:00 jesus_ nigger isnt even reacist

20 01:24:00 quark no it isn't

20 01:24:00 jesus_ it is a class below the lowest

20 01:24:00 quark descriptive I agree

20 01:24:00 jesus_ that came from france in the 1300s

20 01:24:00 jesus_ or something

20 01:24:00 jesus_ america just fucked it up

20 01:24:00 jesus_ just like rocknroll

20 01:24:00 jesus_ which was a sexual reference

20 01:24:00 jesus_ now its used for rock

20 01:24:00 jesus_ somehow

20 01:25:00 jesus_ a racial sexual reference even

20 01:25:00 jesus_ targeted at the black man

20 01:25:00 quark yep

20 01:26:00 quark but now they use it for themselves

20 01:26:00 quark and apparently its different if they misspelly it

20 01:26:00 jesus_ now, nigger, well, that shit was used by some slave owners and shit, and well, it was used right until it came to america

20 01:26:00 Morasique i'm going to take the auchter approach and ignore this channel for a while, hopefully the idiocy will be gone when i come back

20 01:26:00 jesus_ how does it make it racist?

20 01:26:00 collinjc quark: I invite you to address Dr. Defoe or any other African American professor with your non-racist "friendly" term and see what kind of a response you get.

20 01:26:00 jesus_ define:idiocy?

20 01:26:00 quark i'm just saying

20 01:26:00 jesus_ nigga isnt even a word

20 01:27:00 quark collinjc: if they call themselves niggas

20 01:27:00 collinjc And with that, I, too, am going to bed. This is ridiculous.

20 01:27:00 jesus_ if anything, it's slang for "friend"

20 01:27:00 quark how is that racist

20 01:27:00 jesus_ it isnt

20 01:27:00 jesus_ see nigga, we are friends now

20 01:27:00 jesus_ :D

20 01:27:00 quark it can't be

20 01:27:00 quark anything i say about myself

20 01:27:00 jesus_ thats because it isnt

20 01:27:00 quark cannot possibly be racist

20 01:27:00 collinjc quark: Am I claiming anything along those lines? I am simply inviting you to do just what I said and see what happens. Goodnight. Let me know what the result is.

20 01:27:00 jesus_ that's like if I call you quark, am I being racist?

20 01:28:00 quark apparenty you are

20 01:28:00 quark according to his logic

20 01:28:00 quark i'm not saying the dr. is a "nigga"

20 01:28:00 quark but if he calls himself one then he is

20 01:28:00 quark if he dosen't use that word

20 01:28:00 jesus_ what is a "nigga"

20 01:28:00 quark then I don't consider him one

20 01:28:00 quark I think thats fair

20 01:28:00 jesus_ just because someone thinks something is racist, doesnt make it racist.. just makes them a dictator

20 01:28:00 quark collinjc: I don't think dr. defoe would call himself that

20 01:29:00 jesus_ nigga, shut the fuck up

20 01:29:00 quark therefore i wouldn't call him that

20 01:29:00 jesus_ nigga please

20 01:29:00 jesus_ :\

20 01:29:00 quark i guess I'm going to bed too

20 01:29:00 quark its been a long day

20 01:29:00 jesus_ o_o

20 01:29:00 jesus_ xD

20 01:29:00 quark goodnight jeebus

20 01:29:00 jesus_ night nigga

20 02:11:00 Morasique tentatively peeks his head out

20 02:11:00 tommost I think that it may be safe.

20 02:11:00 Morasique yay!

20 02:12:00 Morasique who's presenting this week?

20 02:12:00 Morasique i thought we had something decided, but i'm not sure

20 02:12:00 tommost I thought that collinjc rolled over to this week.

20 02:12:00 Morasique what was he doing?

20 02:12:00 tommost rsync.

20 02:13:00 Morasique ah, ok. cool

20 02:13:00 tommost So we probably have space for another presentation as well, if you want to talk about Lua. ;)

20 02:13:00 Morasique i think i would need a whole presentation block to talk about my feelings for lua

20 02:14:00 tommost Okay, then. Next week?

20 02:14:00 Morasique i can talk about awesome/tiling wms at some point, i think i was supposed to

20 02:14:00 tommost How many tiling WMs have you used?

20 02:14:00 Morasique counting awesome? 1

20 02:14:00 Morasique i suspect it will mostly be about awesome

20 02:15:00 Morasique it was another presentation the new people requested before they stopped coming, so it's not strictly necessary

20 02:15:00 tommost Yeah, so that might need to be a joint presentation if we want to cover more than one.

20 02:15:00 tommost I'm interested in hearing about wmii.

20 02:15:00 Morasique does wmii support lua? that's what i thought

20 02:15:00 tommost Oh, really?

20 02:15:00 andy753421 Morasique: it supports 9p, so yes

20 02:15:00 Morasique damn it

20 02:16:00 tommost It seems more flexible about letting you resize windows than Awesome, which is why I'm interested.

20 02:17:00 Morasique i'd like to see the other ones, i ironically picked awesome because it seemed to have the easiest configuration

20 02:18:00 tommost octavious should present on that Haskell one he uses.

20 02:18:00 tommost And ratpoison.

20 02:18:00 Morasique xmonad, i assume?

20 02:18:00 Morasique i doubt there's two haskell ones

20 02:20:00 tommost I tried ratpoison once, but the whole "emacs keybindings for a wm" thing got old really fast.

20 02:21:00 Morasique anybody know how to clear the ntfs dirty bit from linux?

20 02:21:00 tommost Also, it's slow to use a program that pretends that the mouse doesn't exist when you sometimes just happen to already have your hand on the mouse, and wouldn't it be useful if you could manage windows with it?

20 02:21:00 tommost Dirty bit?

20 02:21:00 tommost Caused by an unclean shutdown?

20 02:21:00 Morasique yes

20 02:21:00 tommost -o force or something similar.

20 02:21:00 Morasique at installfests we just tell people to boot into windows, but i think there's a linux way

20 02:21:00 Morasique oh, really? cool

20 02:22:00 tommost I think that makes it discard the journal or something.

20 02:22:00 tommost So beware.

20 02:22:00 Morasique ntfs has a journal?

20 02:22:00 tommost Yeah.

20 02:22:00 tommost Pretty sure.

20 02:23:00 tommost Hah! I have 10001 messages in my Gmail "All Messages" folder.

20 02:24:00 Morasique nicely one

20 02:24:00 Morasique done

20 02:24:00 Morasique fucking `d' key

20 02:24:00 tommost It's breaking?

20 02:26:00 Morasique it's been messed up for ages, that's why i always drop d's

20 02:26:00 tommost And you have to pay for a new keyboard, don't you?

20 02:26:00 Morasique i don't think so, i just don't want to give up my laptop

20 02:27:00 tommost Wow.

20 02:29:00 Morasique i <3 my laptop

20 02:29:00 tommost I wish that I liked mine that much.

20 02:30:00 tommost I'm still pissed that my $2,000 laptop's screen has worse color and contrast than my $200 Acer LCD.

20 06:08:00 shadghost 200 as in a eeepc?

20 06:08:00 shadghost i <3 my eeepc

20 09:17:00 tommost shadghost: No, I believe that I was pretty clear when I described it as an LCD. An Acer LCD. Acer does not make the Eee.

20 12:02:00 auchter IAIT's definition of ``solution'' doesn't agree with mine: http://rafb.net/p/Zgp7eD20.html

20 12:06:00 octavious auchter: haha. dont the digital lab machines have orcad installed?

20 12:06:00 octavious http://www.rose-hulman.edu/news/articles/08RichardHaut.htm

20 12:06:00 octavious terrible color selection. black on dark green

20 12:07:00 auchter octavious: oh, i hadn't thought of trying those machines

20 12:08:00 octavious auchter: i think they do. and i think that at least one of them has remote desktop enabled...

20 12:08:00 auchter good to know, i'll remember that the next time my virtual machine decides its live is no longer worth living

20 12:09:00 auchter i apparently really fail at keeping a windows box running, the things seem to decide to just not work at the most random times

20 12:10:00 Morasique auchter: it's because you were entirely too friendly in your ticket. next time try "i will kill one person per hour until cadence is installed on the terminal servers"

20 13:50:00 auchter ah, RAM is nice: http://rafb.net/p/xPLVMj70.html

20 14:38:00 Morasique tip for getting wollowski to like you: mention you watch the show House. he mentions that show a stunning amount of time considering this class has nothing to do with medicine

20 14:40:00 auchter oh, i found another webpage that tom will love: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/news/articles/academic_technicians.htm

20 14:42:00 Morasique gah

20 14:43:00 Morasique wow, frontpage. i haven't seen that in a while

20 14:51:00 Morasique we're looking at a diagram in AI i think is scanned from a textbook; they wrote "break light" instead of "brake light"

20 14:53:00 quark lollerskates

20 14:54:00 auchter sounds like a command to me. go break the overhead projector

20 15:02:00 auchter awesome use of caps in the most recent email

20 15:04:00 quark i don't even know why we bother to use lowercase

20 15:38:00 Morasique in the poker e-mail, why would you mix serif and sans serif fonts like that? are they trying to make it look terrible?

20 15:40:00 Blazeix Morasique: Don't be hating comic sans. Its elegant.

20 15:44:00 Morasique even if i liked comic sans it's not going to look good with arial text right after it and some other serif font right before, at least be consistent in the terribleness

20 15:53:00 auchter how do i get comic sans for latex?

20 16:04:00 Morasique auchter: i think i hate you

20 16:05:00 auchter i wonder what a comic sans integral symbol would look like

20 16:06:00 auchter ooh, comic sans for the greek alphabet would be cool

20 16:07:00 Morasique you should do a presentation on the utility of comic sans

20 16:08:00 auchter it has no utility, it is an abomination

20 16:09:00 Morasique try to stretch that to ~30 minutes

20 16:09:00 Morasique the next time i do a presentation it's going to be entirely in comic sans

20 16:12:00 Morasique i still have that e-mail open on another tag, i just realized they say to contact them at Events.Chaunceys@gmail.com. they can't get rose to give them an alias?

20 16:19:00 Morasique firefox has crashed 4 times in the last hour. i suspect i broke something

20 16:43:00 tommost auchter: I just got a ticket response from them; they have changed the default charset to utf-8, so I'm not going to bug them.

20 18:53:00 Morasique http://gentoo-wiki.com/

20 18:54:00 Morasique gah!

20 19:26:00 Morasique i am a fan: http://mrozekma.com/eclipse.png

20 19:27:00 auchter yeah, eclipse does seem to have an issue with tiling window managers...

20 19:35:00 Morasique 3.2 windowed the splash screen, i'm not sure why 3.4 doesn't. i'll have to add a rule for it, although the effect amuses me a bit

20 19:51:00 andy753421 that reminds me of xine

20 20:57:00 quark tommost--

20 20:57:00 quark quark: quark++

20 20:57:00 quark oh i forget that doesn't work

20 20:57:00 quark_ quark++

20 23:12:00 tommost I love it. All of my comparch class's pages are now sent with the wrong encoding.

20 23:12:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse232/0809a/Project/TermProjectRequirements.htm

20 23:23:00 auchter good to know that flash 10 still doesn't respect the z setting

20 23:28:00 tommost Aren't you still using Firefox 2?

20 23:29:00 auchter yes

20 23:29:00 tommost There's a but in all but ~the latest that prevents windowless it from working.

20 23:29:00 tommost s/s it/s mode/

20 23:29:00 tommost s/but/bug/

20 23:30:00 tommost That was a world of fail.

20 23:30:00 auchter yeah, i don't know what you just said.

21 02:28:00 Morasique damn you sga! the day i don't have to be up for logic is the day they have square donuts in the morning

21 02:29:00 tommost How long do they normally last?

21 02:29:00 tommost I'd imagine that they'll be gone by the time I get out of class.

21 02:32:00 Morasique i don't know, the only time i've ever gone was the time i stayed up all night so i went when they first opened

21 02:33:00 Morasique they helpfully waited until the middle of the night to e-mail everyone though, so they might last longer

21 02:46:00 tommost I'm getting doubly screwed: 8 a.m. class and no square donuts.

21 02:49:00 Morasique your class is at 8:05; tons of time

21 02:49:00 tommost I appear to be incapable of getting to this class with > -1 minute to spare, so not really.

21 02:50:00 tommost No matter whether I leave 5 or 10 minutes before class starts, I always get there just after the bell rings.

21 03:27:00 Morasique solution: show up several minutes late, with donuts

21 08:11:00 Morasique donut power

21 08:11:00 Morasique laughs at tommost

21 08:12:00 andy753421 i should go do that

21 08:12:00 andy753421 but i think i would feal guilty eating all the donuts and then going to bed :/

21 08:15:00 auchter they should have a camera set up so we can observe the dwindling donut stock

21 09:18:00 tommost laughs back at Morasique

21 09:19:00 auchter that donut was delicious

21 09:19:00 tommost It was.

21 12:29:00 auchter why is steam installed on voodoo.cs?

21 14:31:00 Morasique nice: http://qlunq.com/ace.py

21 14:38:00 auchter that is awesome indeed

21 14:38:00 Morasique i always wanted to do something like that but i don't save all-campus e-mails

21 14:41:00 auchter hah, clicking on the windows logo on his front page is hilarious

21 14:41:00 tommost Indeed.

21 14:41:00 tommost This would be nice, but it's missing a bunch of graphs: http://qlunq.com/bandwidth/

21 14:42:00 tommost I probably have a lot of those he's missing.

21 14:47:00 tommost Without a doubt the most random thing I've ever seen in a CS course: animusic.

21 15:06:00 Morasique i apparently missed some sort of genetics prerequisite for AI that everyone else took

21 16:08:00 auchter hah, from plan 9's smtp(8): http://rafb.net/p/WSaucx34.html

21 16:23:00 tommost sighs

21 16:23:00 tommost Stupid ATI.

21 16:26:00 tommost There's a crazy flicker when using an extra monitor in the CS lab.

21 16:52:00 Morasique tommost: your xorg.conf is probably wrong

21 16:52:00 auchter

21 16:54:00 tommost Morasique: I was just talking to a guy who says that the same thing happens under Windows, actually.

21 16:55:00 tommost auchter:

21 16:56:00 auchter Morasique:

21 17:08:00 Morasique Blazeix:

21 17:09:00 Morasique tommost: this game is awesome, congratulations on inventing it

21 17:09:00 tommost takes a bow

21 17:10:00 Blazeix luglog:

21 17:11:00 quark why can't you install 32-bit .debs on a 64bit system

21 17:14:00 quark ohh

21 17:14:00 quark --force-architecture

21 17:14:00 quark sweet

21 17:15:00 Morasique Blazeix: not cool

21 21:44:00 auchter tommost: you should submit a ticket asking IAIT to buy a loaded cray cx1

21 21:47:00 tommost No, that would be terribly frivolous.

21 21:47:00 tommost You can do that, though.

22 00:22:00 auchter quiet night.

22 00:22:00 minifig904 sorry

22 00:22:00 minifig904 it's because I'm actually around.

22 00:22:00 auchter an excellent explanation

22 00:23:00 minifig904 Thank you.

22 00:26:00 auchter is there a way to get samba/cups to serve a printer as just a generic postscript device?

22 00:26:00 quark do you guys know the netstat options off the top of your hand that lists all connections on a certain port?

22 00:27:00 minifig904 Anyone know how to fix my IRC Bot?

22 00:27:00 auchter quark: you could pipe netstat to grep for the port you want

22 00:28:00 quark yeah

22 00:28:00 quark i know that but i thought there should be an option

22 00:35:00 auchter so,there's apparently an SGA summit on wednesday and thursday

22 00:37:00 auchter apparently the president and treasurer need to go.

22 00:38:00 auchter i suppose i should have said something prior to povilus's departure

22 00:39:00 andy753421 anyone else use the multimedia keys on the Dell M70's?

22 00:40:00 andy753421 (volume up, volume down, mute)

22 00:40:00 Morasique andy753421: yeah

22 00:40:00 Morasique through xbindkeys

22 00:40:00 andy753421 hm..

22 00:40:00 andy753421 do you have any errors with it?

22 00:40:00 Morasique no, they work fine

22 00:41:00 andy753421 can you pastebin the keyboard section of your xorg.conf?

22 00:42:00 andy753421 apparently if I start xbindkeys to soon after starting X it screws everything up and none of my keys work anymore :/

22 00:42:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m249a6f5f

22 00:42:00 andy753421 so I have to have `(sleep 5 && xbindkeys)&' in my .xinitrc

22 00:43:00 Morasique i actually have exactly the same thing

22 00:43:00 Morasique except i sleep 3

22 00:43:00 andy753421 boo

22 00:43:00 Morasique it doesn't screw anything up, it just doesn't bind correctly if it starts too early

22 00:43:00 andy753421 yea, it only screws up when I start X directly or from qingy

22 00:44:00 andy753421 i guess gdm was slow enough that it didn't matter

22 00:44:00 auchter hm, i start xbindkeys almost immediately after X with no issues

22 00:46:00 andy753421 auchter: do you use XF86Audio??? and what do you have in xorg.conf?

22 00:46:00 andy753421 it might be a hardware related thing, not sure

22 00:48:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/6ChQI553.html

22 00:49:00 auchter i use the keycodes from xev

22 00:49:00 andy753421 hm.. what is this `keyboard' driver?

22 00:49:00 auchter my, uh, keyboard's input driver?

22 00:49:00 andy753421 hehe, what package is it from?

22 00:50:00 auchter i remember having to re-emerge X after forgetting to put "keyboard" in INPUT_DEVICES

22 00:51:00 andy753421 do you have a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/keyboard_drv.so?

22 00:51:00 andy753421 and if so, where does it come from?

22 00:53:00 auchter i have both keyboard_drv.so and kbd_drv.so; obviously i'm using the former for some reason

22 00:53:00 andy753421 maybe Driver "kbd" and Driver "keyboard" are just interchangeable, sounds like something X would do..

22 00:54:00 auchter both are from x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard

22 00:55:00 andy753421 ohh, why does my xf86-input-keyboard only have one driver :'(

22 00:55:00 auchter i'm using 1.1.1, if that helps

22 00:55:00 andy753421 maybe

22 00:56:00 andy753421 trying a downgrade, i could see this terribly breaking X..

22 00:56:00 auchter that sounds like a very bad idea

22 00:57:00 auchter why not just stick with the sleep 5?

22 00:57:00 andy753421 because waiting 5 seconds to open an xterm sucks

22 00:57:00 andy753421 although, i've gotten it down to `sleep 2' but it's still annoying

22 00:58:00 auchter don't you use wmii to handle stuff like that?

22 01:00:00 andy753421 i try to keep non-wmii related commands in .xbindkeys so when I switch wm's i don't have to reconfigure as much

22 01:02:00 auchter ah, ok

22 01:34:00 andy753421 alas, it makes no sense

22 01:34:00 andy753421 apparently if xbindkeys calls XKeysymToKeycode before 5 secnods or so then everything goes to hell..

22 01:36:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/R9nltv22.html

22 01:36:00 andy753421 apparently XKeysymToKeycode somehow modifies some important state variable in the Xorg server

22 01:38:00 andy753421 for the record, this is why X11 sucks..

22 02:05:00 andy753421 so this is pretty much the most restarted bug ever

22 02:06:00 andy753421 if I press any key before the first 5 seconds (before the sleep finishes) it works, but if I wait the five seconds without touching the keyboard then nothing works

22 02:06:00 andy753421 it's in freeking sleep for gods sake

22 02:47:00 Morasique andy753421: you should check the sleep source code, who knows what it's doing :)

22 02:59:00 andy753421 this will be a fun excersise, first one to figure out where usecond_t is defined wins =D

22 03:04:00 octavious unistd.h

22 03:04:00 octavious 226: typedef __useconds_t useconds_t;

22 03:04:00 octavious although that doesnt help you, ha

22 03:04:00 andy753421 now find where __useconds_t is defined ;)

22 03:07:00 Morasique it's just a uint

22 03:07:00 octavious /usr/include/bits/types.h:150: __STD_TYPE __USECONDS_T_TYPE __useconds_t; /* Count of microseconds. */

22 03:10:00 octavious /usr/include/bits/typesizes.h:51 #define __USECONDS_T_TYPE __U32_TYPE

22 03:11:00 octavious /usr/include/bits/types.h:102 #define __U32_TYPE unsigned int

22 03:11:00 octavious yay. i win.

22 03:12:00 Morasique that sort of thing seems completely unnecessary

22 03:12:00 andy753421 yay gnu!

22 03:12:00 andy753421 i like how it goes from bits/types.h to bits/typesizes.h back to bits/types.h :)

22 10:04:00 auchter andy753421: why not just use the keycodes instead of the keysyms?

22 10:15:00 povilusr_desktop auchter i am going to that sga thing on thursday as i have stuff today

22 10:19:00 auchter povilusr_desktop: sounds good. i'll likely be going today, although neither day really works for me

22 12:22:00 Morasique i'm back on awesome 2 :'(

22 12:27:00 octavious oh noes

22 12:28:00 Morasique indeed. awesome 3 decided it no longer wants to work, i can't figure out what i changed to break it

22 12:34:00 collinjc Morasique: Aside from it no longer working, how does it compare to awesome 2?

22 12:38:00 Morasique i like it more, it lets you do a few things awesome 2 didn't that i like, like widgets in titlebars and colored progressbars, and it's nice having the configuration file in a real language so you can pretty much do whatever you want

22 12:38:00 Morasique on the other hand, the benefits don't outweigh the instability i've had ever since i switched, sometimes it'll crash for 20 minutes no matter what i do and suddenly start working again with no configuration changes

22 12:42:00 auchter did they really just send out something with an attachment in publisher format? really?

22 12:46:00 auchter iwp9 proceedings are out: http://iwp9.inf.uth.gr/iwp9_proceedings08.pdf

22 12:47:00 auchter why do they have to be released today when i have so much other stuff to do

22 13:09:00 auchter legos in the cs lab? i suspect mutchler is somehow involved.

22 13:20:00 Morasique it was me, actually. sometimes i get tired of computers, and i want legos on hand for when it happens

22 13:21:00 Morasique awesome 3 is working again. i think my computer's chi was temporarily out of balance

22 13:46:00 Morasique damn woot and its lcd monitors

22 13:57:00 octavious i should have grabbed the USB pole dancers..

22 13:57:00 octavious would have made a great gift for my parents come christmas time

22 14:00:00 Morasique they need to stop offering roombas, i'm always tempted to buy one so i can have a robot slave of my very own

22 15:34:00 embrybd anyone got an eee on rhit-1x?

22 15:34:00 embrybd just got my 901 yesterday and haven't been having any luck yet

22 15:35:00 tommost embrybd: I think that povilusr has it working. collinjc_server may too.

22 15:36:00 embrybd good, was hoping it wasn't a issue w/ madwifi

22 15:39:00 andy753421 Hey, free pizza at the LUG meeting tomorrow cutesy of the Air Force ;)

22 15:39:00 andy753421 * courtesy

22 15:39:00 quark what is the topic?

22 15:40:00 andy753421 Computer Security apparently =D

22 15:41:00 embrybd nice....

22 15:41:00 quark who is presenting?

22 15:41:00 andy753421 Rusty Baldwin maybe?

22 15:42:00 tommost Wow, I'm headed for eating pizza every single day this week.

22 15:42:00 embrybd lucky you

22 15:43:00 embrybd 1x I want PEAP w/ TKIP correct?

22 15:43:00 Morasique embrybd: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/RHIT-1X

22 15:43:00 quark yo uguys ever watch its always sunny in philadelphia?

22 15:43:00 embrybd I'm looking at that now....

22 15:43:00 andy753421 .. for those of you who aren't on the all-{jr,sr} mailing list, this is what i'm referring to: http://andy753421.ath.cx/files/af.pdf

22 15:44:00 Morasique i don't have 1x set up, but based on that page i would say yes, you want PEAP and TKIP

22 15:44:00 quark nm-applet!

22 15:44:00 tommost Morasique: Do you still use the VPN, then?

22 15:45:00 Morasique tommost: i don't use wireless in the academic buildings

22 15:45:00 Morasique andy753421: are we going to move the lug meeting to the other lab then?

22 15:46:00 andy753421 If we did that, how would we get their free food?

22 15:47:00 Morasique yes, but they might be annoyed at us presenting while they're talking

22 15:48:00 embrybd are they trying to recruit tomorrow?

22 15:48:00 andy753421 psh, so who is actually presenting on what?

22 15:49:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#line-3758

22 15:52:00 quark do yo ualways provide a link

22 15:52:00 quark rather than just answering the question?

22 15:53:00 Morasique if it's been discussed, why not?

22 15:53:00 quark seems much easier to just answer peopole's questions

22 15:53:00 tommost I like it. It's better than pasting the conversation in.

22 15:54:00 tommost looks at auchter

22 15:54:00 quark OR

22 15:54:00 quark you could just give a simple answer

22 15:54:00 quark if you already knew it

22 15:54:00 tommost Obviously I already did that. ;)

22 15:56:00 Morasique i see no reason to say something again if i can just link to the last time it was said

22 15:56:00 auchter tommost: what did i do?

22 15:57:00 tommost I'm always impressed at how quickly you find those conversations, Morasique.

22 17:14:00 andy753421 auchter, whoever_is_treasurer: officer meeting in 5 minutes

22 17:19:00 Blazeix povilusr_desktop is treasurer

22 17:38:00 Morasique is this for lug? i didn't know we had officer meetings

22 17:38:00 tommost It's for SGA.

22 17:40:00 auchter this is horrible.

22 17:45:00 Morasique i suspect sga meetings are secretly a ton of fun, and you all pretend to hate them to hoard the fun

22 18:12:00 auchter Morasique: they sometimes have cookies, but it's a sad consolation for how tedious they are.

22 19:11:00 auchter collinjc_eee: so, does he actually drink a tab an hour?

22 19:12:00 collinjc_eee Yes, at least that much.

22 19:12:00 collinjc_eee One an hour is a good day.

22 19:12:00 embrybd is it bad I already know you're talking about Throne?

22 19:13:00 embrybd apparently he gets cranky w/o it

22 19:13:00 auchter i thought they stopped selling tab years ago.

22 19:14:00 embrybd lol

22 19:14:00 embrybd collinjc_eee you there

22 19:14:00 collinjc_eee embrybd: yes, why?

22 19:15:00 embrybd you gotten your eee on rhit-1x?

22 19:16:00 collinjc_eee No, just RHIT.

22 19:16:00 embrybd does 1x just not work w/ madwifi?

22 19:17:00 collinjc_eee I haven't quite figured out what the issue is.

22 19:17:00 embrybd I tried on mine for about 30 minutes today and didn't have any luck :(

22 19:18:00 collinjc_eee I'm using the driver from Asus, compiled from source.

22 19:18:00 embrybd k, I'm using eeebuntu w/ the array.org kernel

22 19:19:00 embrybd well, let me know if you do get it working, would be rather nice...

22 19:20:00 collinjc_eee Okay, I will. So far I don't know anyone who has had any luck with 1X and the eee.

22 19:20:00 embrybd yea...depressing

22 19:21:00 embrybd I just got mine monday, been lovin it though

22 19:21:00 embrybd you know anything about the eee's multitouch?

22 19:22:00 embrybd (can it do more then just scroll)

22 19:23:00 collinjc_eee I haven't really messed with it. It should support gestural multitouch, however.

22 19:23:00 collinjc_eee What I've mainly been dealing with is trying to get the freaking thing to disable when typing.

22 19:23:00 embrybd yea....I'm looking at a youtube video of thm doing fun stuff

22 19:23:00 embrybd lol, would be nice

22 19:23:00 embrybd I saw some program that would do it....

22 19:24:00 embrybd didn't try it though, was switching over the driver and something else

22 19:25:00 collinjc_eee Yeah, I've tried a number of various xorg configurations as well as boot options, but nothing seems to work.

22 19:26:00 embrybd guide I'm looking at says to use shmconfig

22 19:26:00 embrybd no idea if it works

22 19:26:00 collinjc_eee Yeah, I've tried that as well. It didn't work for me, but if you happen to have any luck with it, let me know.

22 19:27:00 embrybd of course

22 19:27:00 embrybd might have to start a eee section of the wiki lol

22 19:28:00 collinjc_eee Yeah, LUG seems to be getting quite a few eee users.

22 19:29:00 tommost Has anyone here bought an Acer monitor recently?

22 19:29:00 auchter tommost: i know someone who bought an eee recently

22 19:29:00 embrybd lol

22 19:29:00 auchter i heard that they're the same thing

22 19:30:00 tommost I'm trying to get a monitor to match one I already have, but they have changed the bezel style and now list them with some sort of "ACM" contrast-enhancement technology. I'm wondering whether it's really any different.

22 19:32:00 embrybd http://digiwanderlust.blogspot.com/2008/06/do-you-love-way-you-scroll-on-your-ipod.html

22 19:33:00 embrybd collinjc_eee: just found this looking at the multitouch

22 19:33:00 embrybd have you tried the PalmDetect?

22 19:34:00 collinjc_eee Yeah, I have circular scrolling on my Dell. And yeah, I have, but it either didn't work or I have inferior palms.

22 19:34:00 embrybd lol

22 19:34:00 embrybd I didn't know that all synaptics were multitouch

22 19:34:00 embrybd ?

22 19:35:00 collinjc_eee Circular scrolling doesn't require multitouch.

22 19:35:00 auchter embrybd: i have circular scroll on my laptop

22 19:35:00 tommost embrybd: I have auchter's circular scrolling on my laptop.

22 19:35:00 embrybd sorry, was thinking the circular scrolling used two fingers

22 19:36:00 auchter our touchpads can detect the number of fingers on the touchpad, but can't get independent locations

22 19:37:00 tommost Oh, well, that's still useful.

22 19:39:00 embrybd k, lets see if palm detect works for me lol

22 19:42:00 embrybd palm detect doesn't appear to work :(

22 19:42:00 collinjc_eee Well at least that means my palms are okay.

22 19:43:00 embrybd it appears so

22 19:44:00 embrybd k, time for tech comm gayness

22 19:44:00 tommost embrybd--

22 19:47:00 Morasique i thought gay as a pejorative didn't exist at this school until very recently

22 19:48:00 tommost I have been painfully aware of its use for a long time.

22 19:48:00 Morasique well, you're an SE. you hang around with other SEs. and SEs are idiots

22 19:49:00 auchter Morasique++

22 19:49:00 tommost I'm actually talking about MEs on my floor last year...

22 19:50:00 tommost Oh, and BEs.

22 19:50:00 tommost One BE in particular.

22 19:50:00 tommost And one CPE that you all know and love.

22 19:50:00 Morasique glares at auchter

22 19:50:00 auchter glares at Morasique, then at quark

22 19:51:00 Morasique aaah. there's an audio ad playing somewhere, i can't find the tab doing it

22 19:51:00 auchter did i guess correctly?

22 19:52:00 tommost auchter: Yup.

22 19:52:00 quark why glare at me

22 19:53:00 quark wait who else is a cpe?

22 19:53:00 Morasique lots of people in here are cpes. a depressing number, really

22 19:53:00 collinjc_eee There are several, actually.

22 19:53:00 quark cs's are bullshit anyways

22 19:53:00 auchter me, octavious, kleinjt, embrybd off the top of my head

22 19:53:00 Morasique :'(

22 19:53:00 quark and me

22 19:53:00 collinjc_eee and me.

22 19:54:00 collinjc_eee and povilusr_desktop.

22 19:54:00 auchter oh, right

22 19:54:00 auchter and TBoneULS

22 19:54:00 Morasique and TBoneULS

22 19:54:00 Morasique damn

22 19:54:00 auchter and ZetaSyanthis

22 19:54:00 Morasique this is thoroughly depressing

22 19:54:00 tommost Damn.

22 19:55:00 tommost cries in a corner

22 19:55:00 quark so most of us

22 19:55:00 quark obviously its a superior major

22 19:55:00 Morasique indeed

22 19:55:00 auchter it's sad that my internship last year (and this year too, likely) is listed as "software engineering intern"

22 19:56:00 Morasique did you do SE stuff?

22 19:56:00 quark mine is too

22 19:56:00 quark i can't get a job as a cpe

22 19:56:00 quark my grades suck

22 19:56:00 auchter moderately.

22 19:57:00 quark i have an impressive cd resume however

22 19:57:00 quark s/cd/cs

22 19:58:00 Morasique everytime people leave off the trailing slash i imagine auchter twitching. and i laugh

22 19:58:00 auchter Morasique: good assessment. throne just saw me visably twitch, too.

22 19:59:00 quark man you are hardcore

22 20:02:00 tommost auchter: What else provokes a physical reaction from you? How do you like StudlyCaseMethodNames?

22 20:02:00 Morasique tommost: .NET is all over that

22 20:03:00 quark .net is the shizzle

22 20:03:00 tommost Yes, Python programmers who come from a VB or .NET background pain me that way.

22 20:26:00 auchter tommost: camel case just hurts my eyes and makes me sigh

22 20:26:00 tommost Yeah.

22 20:27:00 auchter s/visably/visibly/

22 20:29:00 andy753421 hey, what the

22 20:29:00 andy753421 oh wait, this should be in #rhrt

23 09:01:00 andy753421 something must be wrong, i don't have any all-campus email's yet

23 09:02:00 auchter i was actually just thinking the same thing

23 09:04:00 Morasique maybe it's a no-all campus e-mail holiday they forgot to tell us about

23 09:09:00 andy753421 auchter: did you get my message?

23 09:10:00 auchter yep, apparently the mail server's fine

23 09:10:00 andy753421 ah..

23 09:10:00 andy753421 so anderson told us that we might not have class tomorrow

23 09:11:00 andy753421 and that he would send an email telling us whether we will or not.. but that means I still have to wake up to check my email

23 09:11:00 andy753421 time to see if procmail and awk can change my alarm for me :)

23 09:12:00 andy753421 s/procmail/maildrop/

23 09:15:00 Morasique wollowski has sent out e-mails in the middle of the night before canceling class for that morning

23 09:32:00 auchter there we go.

23 09:34:00 Morasique my faith is restored

23 15:49:00 octavious BOC

23 15:58:00 octavious damn.

23 16:04:00 kleinpa quick and random question: does anyone here have any experience with mythtv? (there is a kid on my floor who is having issues setting it up, and i'm wondering if I should reffer him to the LUG)

23 16:17:00 auchter kleinpa: i think tommost uses mythbuntu, but i'm not sure

23 16:18:00 tommost I've tried.

23 16:18:00 auchter kleinpa: what kind of problems is he having?

23 16:18:00 tommost I've had config issues with MySQL and I don't really know how to fix them.

23 16:57:00 Morasique they should really reword these e-mails: http://pastebin.com/m6a5d8da4

23 16:58:00 Morasique as far as i can tell from that e-mail, i just got a job at green hills without applying

23 16:58:00 Morasique they should really say "you've been accepted...for an interview" at least once

23 17:01:00 auchter Morasique: i really just thought you had access to my email, until i remembered your name is Michael as well.

23 17:05:00 Morasique yeah, if i had access to your e-mail i would know you got a "chemical engineering seminar friday" e-mail a couple hours ago

23 17:05:00 Morasique looks around suspiciously

23 18:07:00 Morasique collinjc_server: i did not learn anything about rsync today. i blame you

23 20:27:00 tommost I'm tempted to get some bacon salt and send it to the Thorn.

23 20:30:00 auchter is there a reason for this, or are you just deranged?

23 20:31:00 tommost http://www.woot.com/

23 20:31:00 tommost Oh, too late.

23 20:31:00 tommost http://enstxzrnsprxt.6hops.net/Bacon_Salt_-_4_Packlg6Standard.jpg

23 20:36:00 auchter rdesktop is an excellent program

23 20:37:00 auchter it makes dealing with windows very tolerable

23 20:37:00 auchter notably: i could never get the drivers for my flatmate's printer installed under windows, no matter how hard i tried

23 20:37:00 auchter rdesktop lets me forawrd a printer, with absolutely no configuration.

23 20:38:00 tommost Yes, I've come to like rdesktop a lot. I use it constantly with the terminal servers. I have a little script that runs it at the correct size to fit perfectly onto my screen.

23 20:54:00 tommost Is there some secure way to store my password so that my script can access it (with my authorization), but it is not stored in plaintext?

23 20:56:00 auchter i too would be interested in any solutions...

23 20:56:00 Morasique what would "your authorization" be?

23 20:57:00 Morasique you could encrypt it and require a password to decrypt, but that sort of defeats the point

23 20:57:00 tommost Something like the authorization dialog that GPG pops up when I send a signed mail from Thunderbird.

23 20:57:00 tommost Where I only actually have to enter the password once in a while.

23 20:58:00 auchter factotum seems like it would be well suited

23 20:58:00 tommost ...

23 20:59:00 Morasique that's actually really cool

23 21:00:00 Morasique i store my passwords in a truecrypt file with a script that mounts it to pull a specific password out; you could have a similar thing and have the truecrypt file stay mounted for a certain amount of time if you don't want the password prompt every time

23 21:00:00 tommost That might work nicely.

23 21:00:00 tommost I already store some passwords in an encfs mount.

23 21:01:00 andy753421 someone with ubuntu, why don't the CS mirrors work anymore?

23 21:01:00 Morasique blames mcleish automatically

23 21:02:00 tommost I thought that they never worked that well. I've never used them.

23 21:02:00 andy753421 bah

23 21:02:00 andy753421 i think they used to work, we added them and reloaded but files don't download from there

23 23:03:00 Morasique auchter: somebody is writing an article for the kernel (the iait newsletter thing) and they want to mention contacting lug if they need linux help; they put down our website but they want a contact person too. is that you?

23 23:04:00 auchter i'd say that falls under public relations

23 23:04:00 Morasique who is that? TBoneULS?

23 23:05:00 auchter yep

23 23:05:00 Morasique ok

23 23:10:00 quark does vmware server 2.0 suck?

23 23:10:00 quark word on the grape fine is that it does

23 23:11:00 auchter quark: i don't see why you'd use vmware when kvm works so well

23 23:12:00 quark job requires it

23 23:13:00 auchter that's a good reason

23 23:13:00 quark you can't run vmware images in a kvm can you?

23 23:13:00 tommost I think that you can convert them.

23 23:13:00 quark hmm

23 23:14:00 auchter i don't know that it's worth the effort

23 23:14:00 tommost If it's Windows, though, it'll be a royal pain because all the hardware will change.

23 23:14:00 quark its most likely windows

23 23:14:00 quark but what hardware do I need?

23 23:14:00 tommost Definitely stay with VMWare.

23 23:14:00 tommost The virtualized hardware.

23 23:14:00 quark i don't think i need any of it

23 23:15:00 quark i have to upgrade mysql

23 23:15:00 tommost With Windows and the proprietary VMWare extensions it's a much nicer experience than KVM.

23 23:15:00 quark i don't want to run kvm anyways

23 23:15:00 quark i was planning on using vmware

23 23:16:00 quark but I heard 2.0 was shit

23 23:16:00 quark erm

23 23:16:00 quark 2.0 server

23 23:27:00 andy753421 I think $1500 is reasonable?

23 23:28:00 auchter ideally. the benefit of putting down each item line by line will be that they'll be able to knock down items individually...

23 23:28:00 auchter instead of just saying ``no server''

23 23:29:00 auchter we need to have a well thought out reason for exactly what we'll be doing with this (in terms they'll understand) and why these parts

23 23:29:00 Morasique of course, the downside of putting down each item line by line will be that they'll be able to knock down items individually...

23 23:29:00 Morasique instead of just saying ``go for it''

23 23:29:00 andy753421 Morasique: it's harder to knock something down that you don't understand though

23 23:30:00 andy753421 a $1500 vs $1000 'computer' is not to much, but if you gives specifics then i think we have a better chance

23 23:30:00 andy753421 and we can just say 'well, laptops cost $3000' or whatever it is these days

23 23:31:00 tommost An excellent point. The LUG can buy my laptop and I can get a new one. :D

23 23:33:00 auchter we should also probably request something like 50-100 CD-{R,RW}s, maybe 25 or so DVD+RWs, etc.

23 23:35:00 Morasique auchter: put down 100 copies of "linux" at $200/copy

23 23:36:00 auchter we could do a side by side comparison of compiz and vista to make the case that it's worth it

23 23:38:00 andy753421 the server will never _ever_ run compiz

23 23:38:00 andy753421 well, the VM's might, but that's a different story

23 23:38:00 auchter i can't imagine x-forwarding compiz

23 23:38:00 auchter is that even possible?

23 23:39:00 auchter because it shouldn't be.

23 23:39:00 Morasique clearly we should find out

23 23:40:00 auchter how awesome is this prelab assignment: ``Figure out what calculations you need to do before coming to lab and do them.''

23 23:53:00 andy753421 $1527.89 - http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/server.html

23 23:53:00 andy753421 I would like to point out that it is better than addiator..

23 23:54:00 Morasique :D nice

23 23:54:00 Morasique you should probably not mention that to sga

23 23:54:00 auchter addiator has 32GB of ram

23 23:55:00 andy753421 ram can be easily upgraded with next years budget

23 23:55:00 andy753421 or we can put some in to pad it up a bit more :)

23 23:55:00 andy753421 but the MB has a max of 32Gb

24 00:03:00 auchter s/b/B/, hopefully ;)

24 00:04:00 andy753421 well, yes

24 00:16:00 auchter it'd be cool if we could get more people to run distcc

24 00:16:00 auchter it'd be even cooler if we wrote a program to track the versions of the toolchains people use and periodically send that to a server

24 00:17:00 auchter and a script to connect to the server, specify an architecture/toolchain, and get a list of all computers that sent data within the last hour or so...

24 00:20:00 Morasique we should have a list of distcc machines on campus

24 00:20:00 tommost Morasique: We do.

24 00:21:00 tommost http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Distcc

24 00:21:00 Morasique oh. well, good decision

24 00:21:00 Morasique ah

24 00:22:00 tommost There should be a presentation on it that tells me how to configure it securely. I'd be happy to run it, given that.

24 00:22:00 andy753421 tommost: that depends on your definition of securely

24 00:22:00 andy753421 i just limit mine to the 137.112.0.0/16 subnet, but i imagine that someone on campus could still break in

24 00:22:00 andy753421 i just keep logs so I could get them kicked out of rose if they do ;)

24 00:23:00 auchter i suppose one way to kind of secure it would be to tunnel it through ssh

24 00:23:00 auchter and just give out the private key for the distcc user to people who you trust

24 00:23:00 andy753421 interesting..

24 00:24:00 tommost Wouldn't the slightly older versions of everything on my system present a problem?

24 00:25:00 auchter yes, it can be an issue

24 00:25:00 andy753421 i think if the x.x is the important part, i don't think the 3rd one matters as much

24 00:25:00 auchter tommost: what gcc version are you running out of curiousity?

24 00:26:00 tommost gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)

24 00:26:00 tommost That'll presumably change in a week or two, though.

24 00:26:00 auchter heh, that's newer than i have on any of my machines

24 00:26:00 Morasique me too

24 00:26:00 Morasique i'm jealous

24 00:27:00 tommost Is Gentoo conservative that way?

24 00:27:00 auchter it can be unconservative if you'd like

24 00:27:00 auchter i like stability, so obviously i'm using gentoo

24 00:27:00 andy753421 ~arch is usually pretty new but arch is usually pretty conservative

24 00:28:00 andy753421 afterall, gcc bugs can have a pretty major effect on gentoo ;)

24 00:28:00 tommost Yeah, I can imagine.

24 00:29:00 Morasique i have ebuilds up through 4.3.2

24 00:29:00 andy753421 4.3.2 is the latest

24 00:29:00 andy753421 (and in ~x86)

24 00:31:00 andy753421 neet, 4.4 does loop interchanging

24 00:32:00 auchter i remember reading that 4.4 does a lot of cool stuff.

24 01:05:00 Morasique i love that [<+-|z@.>] is legitimate in beamer

24 09:10:00 auchter my prof just walked into the lab with a scary looking device and said ``I've got my Klingon Pain Stick here if anybody wants to test it out.''

24 13:06:00 Morasique somebody needs to make a tool that lets you enter in criteria like class and gender and returns a list of e-mail addresses, so i can stop getting e-mails that start with "if you're not in [group i'm never in], delete this message

24 13:06:00 Morasique "

24 14:36:00 Morasique we're looking at the game of life in AI. crr: you should spend the whole time during the linux games presentation just playing with this

24 17:14:00 tommost kleinpa: Making good use of addiator, I see.

24 17:25:00 auchter hah, i love that this is the longest comment in /sys/src/cmd/rio/rio.c : http://rafb.net/p/zOdCEI90.html

24 17:26:00 tommost And is that the story behind the name?

24 17:26:00 auchter i have no idea where the name came from, actually

24 17:27:00 auchter the precursor was called 8 1/2

24 17:43:00 octavious the movie?

24 19:14:00 auchter octavious: i know there's an awesome film called 8 1/2, and i assumed that's what it was named after

24 19:14:00 auchter octavious: is there a movie called rio?

24 19:15:00 auchter oh, it looks like there is. i had never heard of it.

24 20:05:00 auchter hm, it seems that my dvd drive in my laptop has decided to violent vibrate while spinning the disk

24 20:38:00 tommost So, I'm wondering if there's something better than the bullshit that goes by the name "unit testing" in Verilog.

24 20:38:00 tommost I.e., something that doesn't involve manually checking the waveform.

24 20:46:00 auchter i'm sure there is. for our project, i eventually ended up dumping the waveforms to csv and parsing them with perl

24 20:47:00 tommost Verilog needs an "assert" statement.

24 20:49:00 auchter can't you just use if statements for the tests, and have it print out the results?

24 20:50:00 auchter i'm pretty sure that's what we did for testing our ALU, a loop to test possibilities and log the results

24 20:50:00 tommost Hmm, yeah, that would work.

24 20:51:00 tommost That would make exhaustive testing possible, too.

24 21:58:00 Morasique there are a lot of minifigs in here

24 22:01:00 auchter is scared of markbot's eventual return

24 22:41:00 MrTheHat AAHHHH help me

24 22:45:00 tommost Um, okay.

24 22:45:00 MrTheHat IGNORE ME!!!!!!!

24 22:47:00 tommost Okay Sam.

24 22:55:00 MrTheHat Hi guys, This is MIke Jones. Sam and I are working on a Mathmatical Methods of Image processing assignment that requires matlab

24 22:55:00 MrTheHat the problem we are running into right now

24 22:56:00 MrTheHat is that we need to use the "dir" or "ls" commands t

24 22:56:00 MrTheHat to find the size of a file that we save to dick

24 22:56:00 MrTheHat disk

24 22:56:00 MrTheHat (the professor specifically asked us to use this function)

24 22:57:00 MrTheHat so, using the function si=ls("filepath -s")

24 22:57:00 MrTheHat (which should return the results of executing "ls" on bash, or similar)

24 22:57:00 MrTheHat we get a string back

24 22:57:00 MrTheHat we need that to be an integer that we can use for algebraic expressions

24 22:58:00 MrTheHat any suggestions?

24 23:04:00 tommost Welcome back, all.

24 23:08:00 auchter sounds like a job not for matlab

24 23:27:00 Morasique http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help/techdoc/ref/str2num.html

24 23:30:00 MrTheHat No no, That wasn't helpful but I did solve the problem

24 23:36:00 Morasique str2num wasn't helpful for "we get a string back we nee that to be an integer"?

24 23:36:00 Morasique s/nee/need/

24 23:41:00 tommost Apparently ncsim isn't multithreaded.

24 23:47:00 tommost auchter: Your makefile is awesome, BTW.

24 23:48:00 auchter tommost: yeah, we were able to debug our processor so much faster than any other team

24 23:49:00 auchter each time i made a change i could just type ``make sim'' and see the result; it really helped.

24 23:49:00 tommost I'm loving text mode.

24 23:49:00 tommost I wrote my testbench to check for failures and print them.

25 04:35:00 andy753421 tommost: clearly you should be using gEDA, that way you could embed python to do you assertions ;)

25 14:32:00 Morasique my groupmate just said "those uml generating programs, like powerpoint"

25 14:32:00 auchter personally, i'm partial to excel for uml

25 14:37:00 Morasique i just draw them with ascii art

25 14:37:00 Morasique i'm looking at violet right now, it's gotten much less terrible since i last used it

25 14:54:00 andy753421 Morasique: try Dia

25 15:00:00 andy753421 also, dia2code generated code from dia and autodia generates dia from code

25 15:38:00 Morasique anybody have a good program that lets multiple users type in a document at the same time in different places?

25 15:38:00 Morasique i've never found a good one

25 15:45:00 andy753421 Morasique: emacs does it

25 15:46:00 andy753421 i've also tried moonedit

25 15:46:00 andy753421 and maybe google docs?

25 15:47:00 andy753421 ooh abiword

25 15:47:00 andy753421 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor

25 15:48:00 andy753421 and subethaedit is the standard one for Mac's

25 15:49:00 Morasique andy753421: does the emacs one work well? i've never tried it, but i heard bad things

25 15:49:00 Morasique i'll look at that wikipedia page, that looks helpful

25 15:49:00 andy753421 hehe, they pull it off in a bit of a strange way

25 15:49:00 andy753421 i suppose it 'works' ;)

25 15:50:00 andy753421 you're really just running the same instance of emacs, just with two windows on different X11 sessions

25 15:50:00 Morasique interesting

25 16:28:00 Morasique HA! external keyboard. take that, d key

25 16:46:00 auchter this path is depressing: /usr/local/avr/avr/include/avr/

25 16:47:00 Morasique s/depressing/awesome/

25 18:30:00 tommost auchter++

25 21:58:00 Morasique i never realized the /s in sed can be any separator, s/foo/bar/ is the same as s:foo:bar: or szfoozbarz

25 21:59:00 Morasique from now on i will be using zs as my separator, for maximum confusion

25 22:03:00 auchter Morasique: luckily #rhlug is not sed

25 22:05:00 Morasique szluckilyzsadlyz

25 22:06:00 Morasique i may use a different separator every time, come to think of it

25 22:10:00 auchter the only separators i've ever used are /, ; and |

25 23:03:00 Morasique awesome suddenly stopped working again. i'm quite certain i haven't changed anything in days

25 23:05:00 Morasique i think i may be the only person using awesome 3; that would explain how nobody seems to know about the random crashing

25 23:05:00 auchter hint: use wmii

25 23:05:00 tommost Yeah, most of us give up when it doesn't compile.

25 23:05:00 tommost hint: present on wmii

25 23:07:00 Morasique i'm really thinking about it. i like awesome though. apart from the crashing

25 23:07:00 Morasique it looks like it doesn't crash if i don't open any windows

25 23:07:00 Morasique i could stare at my wallpaper for a while

25 23:07:00 Morasique it's pretty

25 23:15:00 auchter i really need to spend more time messing with wmii

25 23:15:00 auchter but i kind of find it hard to motivate myself to do that

26 01:39:00 Morasique where does gentoo hide java installs? eselect claims i have 3 versions of java installed, but i can't find them anywhere

26 01:40:00 Morasique oh. and then it's in the next place i check. nm

26 01:41:00 andy753421 /opt

26 01:41:00 andy753421 i should read second lines from now on

26 01:41:00 andy753421 also, `qlist sun-jdk'

26 01:43:00 andy753421 i would suggest `echo "<dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6" >> /etc/portage/package.mask'

26 01:44:00 Morasique oh, yeah, qlist/equery f should've occured to me

26 01:44:00 Morasique i need 1.4 installed for the moment, it's what's running on the macs in the lab

26 01:46:00 Morasique wow, screw this. 1.4 doesn't have enums or generics

26 01:47:00 Morasique wow. or varargs or foreach. this language was depressing back then

26 01:51:00 Morasique no jokes about how it's still depressing? you disappoint me #rhlug

26 01:52:00 Blazeix I'm getting database errors on the lug wiki

26 01:52:00 Blazeix only on certain subpages, though

26 01:52:00 Blazeix like this one: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/RHLUG_Members

26 01:58:00 Morasique "The table is full"? wow

26 01:58:00 Morasique also, "MediaWikiBagOStuff". nice

26 02:39:00 tommost Heh, yeah, MediaWiki's tables are a bit... odd.

26 05:16:00 Morasique ooo. java has a gtk+ look and feel; finally this program can look non-ugly

26 05:17:00 andy753421 Morasique: I think i tried that once but it sucked, is it better now?

26 05:17:00 Morasique it looks ok except the font size for everything is too big

26 05:17:00 Morasique that's probably something i did wrong though

26 05:19:00 andy753421 out of curiosity, does it actually use GTK+ for drawing the widgets?

26 05:20:00 Morasique it seems to, i'm getting GTK assertion errors in my terminal

26 05:22:00 andy753421 hehe

26 05:35:00 Morasique i'm looking at swt, and i tried running a basic helloworld thing on a mac in the lab, it crashed with this error: "java(4697, 0xa032bfa0) malloc: *** error for object: Non-aligned pointer being freed"

26 05:35:00 Morasique it's not every day i get a malloc error from java

26 05:45:00 andy753421 so the wiki apparently now has 128MB of data

26 05:47:00 Morasique impressive

26 05:47:00 Morasique i suspect wikipedia may be larger than that; why is mediawiki breaking?

26 05:48:00 andy753421 mysql was set to only allow innodb's to autoexpand to 128M

26 05:48:00 andy753421 so i changed it to 1G

26 05:48:00 andy753421 took forever to figure that out though

26 13:55:00 tommost Now my laptop has decided that it won't recognize any external monitors at all from Linux.

26 13:55:00 tommost I hate ATI.

26 14:00:00 tommost_windows Well, it still works under Windows.

26 14:00:00 tommost_windows Now I just hate ATI more.

26 14:03:00 tommost_windows Oh, and of course Windows wants to restart.

26 14:04:00 Morasique it's ok, just close the dialog, i'm sure it won't pop up again

26 14:08:00 tommost_windows glares at Morasique

26 14:17:00 Morasique i found a l&f that makes java programs look like they're running on a mac. i feel sad looking at it

26 14:21:00 tommost Well, apparently Microsoft wants me to run Ubuntu. Otherwise they wouldn't have rebooted my computer into it.

26 14:23:00 tommost Has anyone with a Sophomore laptop tried Intrepid yet?

26 17:59:00 tommost I think that I'll upgrade to Intrepid now.

26 17:59:00 Morasique bold move

26 18:00:00 auchter why not upgrade to gentoo instead?

26 18:10:00 tommost This is gonna take a while...

26 18:10:00 auchter install gentoo instead then

26 18:11:00 tommost That would take longer, I'm sure.

26 18:11:00 auchter doubtful

26 18:12:00 tommost Well, yes, I suppose that there is an up-to-date local mirror available for Gentoo.

26 18:13:00 auchter i'm using IU's mirror right now, actually

26 18:13:00 auchter i can regularly get 1.3MB/s down

26 18:13:00 tommost I'm getting between 80 and 150 kB/s down.

26 18:18:00 auchter sounds like you should use gentoo

26 18:18:00 tommost That sounds like a lot of work for very little gain.

26 18:18:00 auchter just using gentoo automatically doubles your download speed for everything, dontchaknow

26 18:20:00 Morasique speaking of little gain, ibex seems to add depressingly little compared to hardy

26 18:20:00 tommost Well, maybe it's worth it, then. But what about the other side of it: using gentoo automatically increases the amount of time it takes to install software exponentially as a function of the package's LOC.

26 18:21:00 tommost Yeah, they bit off a lot with Hardy.

26 18:21:00 tommost This is what I'm interested in: http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/64

26 18:24:00 auchter i need to spend some time tracking down the bloody shearing that happens to full screen videos on my laptop/

26 18:25:00 tommost That's one of the things that I'm hoping will get fixed. That and everything else.

26 18:25:00 auchter that's the only thing that i have issues with

26 18:26:00 auchter strange thing is that it happens even using the s-video out to a tv...

26 20:29:00 povilusr-laptop what endian is x86

26 20:29:00 povilusr-laptop also is there a read bitmap function for c in a library?

26 20:29:00 auchter little

26 20:29:00 povilusr-laptop thanx

26 20:30:00 andy753421 povilusr-laptop: you might try read(2)...

26 20:30:00 povilusr-laptop ?

26 20:30:00 auchter well, then he'd need to parse the headers and such

26 20:31:00 andy753421 povilusr-laptop: what exactly are you trying to acomplish

26 20:31:00 andy753421 and what type of bitmap are you referring to?

26 20:31:00 povilusr-laptop the type that ends in .bmp

26 20:31:00 povilusr-laptop image

26 20:31:00 andy753421 screw that, convert it to a .xpm and then #include it =D

26 20:31:00 povilusr-laptop use a bmp as a texture in opengl

26 20:32:00 auchter it wouldn't take long to write a simple function to read a bmp file

26 20:32:00 povilusr-laptop yeah, but im lazy

26 20:33:00 povilusr-laptop there is one on google im using

26 20:33:00 povilusr-laptop anyone know how to make umlauts in linux

26 20:33:00 povilusr-laptop i was hopin that there was a standard library for it though

26 20:33:00 auchter i use plan 9 for that, hah

26 20:34:00 auchter oh cool, acme in linux understands rio's character entry as well

26 20:34:00 auchter now i don't have to drawterm to do my german homework.

26 20:35:00 povilusr-laptop is numre a bad variable name for the number of recursions done

26 20:35:00 andy753421 povilusr-laptop: http://nehe.gamedev.net/data/lessons/lesson.asp?lesson=06

26 20:36:00 andy753421 apparently glaux does it

26 20:36:00 andy753421 assume you have that installed

26 20:36:00 auchter i cringed when i saw backslashes in the #include statements

26 20:37:00 auchter i suppose that's better than using them as your namespace separator...

26 20:37:00 andy753421 yea.. it's a bit focused on windows

26 20:39:00 andy753421 there's links at the bottom to linux code, the SDL one is probably easiest

26 20:44:00 povilusr-laptop mark dosent like this:

26 20:44:00 povilusr-laptop http://pastebin.com/m3da0c276

26 20:45:00 auchter what were you thinking?

26 20:45:00 povilusr-laptop im really lazy

26 20:48:00 povilusr-laptop plus its ++ausome

26 20:52:00 auchter svn should have a "banish lines of code from repository forever" option for code like that

26 20:53:00 auchter not only does it remove every trace of it ever existing, it also punishes the user when they try to recommit

26 20:54:00 TBoneULS sam says you don't appreciate his code

26 20:54:00 povilusr-laptop that code is ausome you just cannot see the inner beauty of it

26 20:55:00 auchter TBoneULS: did you look at it?

26 20:55:00 TBoneULS ya, thats the problem

26 20:55:00 TBoneULS yes he's sitting across the table from me, i've seen how bad it is

26 20:55:00 ZetaSyanthisLapt I'm glad to see others think Povilus is a terrible person just as much as I do

26 20:55:00 povilusr-laptop who i minifig9041?

26 20:55:00 kleinjt I don

26 20:55:00 povilusr-laptop is*

26 20:55:00 kleinjt 't see a problem with the code

26 20:55:00 ZetaSyanthisLapt you should look at that link

26 20:55:00 ZetaSyanthisLapt then you will

26 20:56:00 povilusr-laptop lets leav random letters of words no

26 20:58:00 povilusr-laptop how do umlauts in linux

26 20:58:00 auchter use acme, then alt-"-letter

26 21:12:00 Morasique povilusr-laptop: you can use xmodmap to bind a compose key that you use to do stuff like accents

26 21:28:00 povilusr-laptop whats the diffrence betwwen thing.stuff and thing->stuff?

26 21:29:00 auchter thing->stuff when thing is a pointer

26 21:29:00 auchter it's the same as (*thing).stuff

26 21:32:00 povilusr-laptop thanx

26 21:35:00 TBoneULS http://pastebin.com/m3da0c276

26 21:35:00 TBoneULS oops

26 22:17:00 Morasique http://www.davehitt.com/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/christ-bacon.jpg

26 22:17:00 Morasique i'm in

26 23:08:00 auchter ripping cds is no fun

26 23:08:00 auchter i finally decided to start ripping what i bought this summer, it's a rather tedious process

26 23:09:00 auchter i'm using abcde right now, but i'm thinking about writing my own that will encode as it rips...

26 23:10:00 auchter although realistically that probably wouldn't save much time.

26 23:25:00 auchter hm, how long until my 350W power supply gives in with writes to 5 hard drives and reads from 2 cd-rom drives? ;)

26 23:25:00 auchter not to mention both cores being pegged from flac encoding...

26 23:49:00 tommost Wait... pegged from FLAC? How can you get stuff off of the CDs fast enough to peg them?

26 23:57:00 auchter tommost: abcde rips the first track, then begins encoding that track while it's ripping the second track

26 23:58:00 tommost But FLAC encoding is so fast at the default setting... are you using a higher one or something?

26 23:58:00 auchter yes, -8

26 23:59:00 auchter the ripping takes the longest anyway, so it's not a limiting factor

27 00:01:00 tommost Do you save any disk space that way? I didn't when I tried it.

27 00:05:00 auchter i'm not sure, i haven't done many comparisons

27 00:05:00 auchter so far the cd's i've ripped tonight have all been ~250MB compressed

27 00:05:00 auchter but they're all classical, which compress better

27 00:08:00 tommost Have you found a reliable source of metadata for classical music? I haven't been able to motivate myself into re-ripping the classical CDs that I lost when my hard drive was killed because I have to correct all the metadata.

27 00:09:00 auchter nope, i'm using cddb which is horrible, there's absolutely no consitancy

27 00:09:00 auchter i think i've used musicbrainz in the past, which i might do once i get everything ripped

27 00:10:00 auchter to be honest, my classical music folder is a mess. i've pretty much given up on organizing it

27 00:11:00 auchter there's too much to keep track of, too

27 00:12:00 auchter the composer, the conductor, the ensemble, notable soloists, the pieces themselves, etc.

27 00:12:00 tommost Indeed.

27 00:12:00 auchter not to mention the disks with >1 composer

27 00:19:00 auchter speaking of which, i don't know why more orchestras don't sell flac downloads of their concerts

27 00:19:00 auchter it seems like it would be an excellent way for them to raise funds

27 00:19:00 quark bceause flac is useless to most people...

27 00:20:00 auchter ok, s/flac//

27 00:20:00 quark yeah

27 00:20:00 quark that may be true

27 00:20:00 auchter if they were to sell mp3, 16/44.1 flac, and 24/96 flac, at different price levels, that'd be awesome.

27 00:20:00 tommost Well, they'd have to record them, wouldn't they? That's difficult to do (well).

27 00:21:00 auchter the majority record all of their concerts anyway

27 00:21:00 quark yeah

27 00:21:00 quark but who wants to pay for music

27 00:21:00 quark i just acn't bring myself to do it

27 00:21:00 auchter i like music, so i buy music

27 00:22:00 quark i like it too

27 00:22:00 quark but

27 00:22:00 quark i always tell myself I can live without it

27 00:22:00 quark so i just take whats easy and free to me

27 00:22:00 quark i guess I might buy some music, but i wouldn't get near as much of it

27 00:23:00 tommost archive.org is a good place for free (legal) concert recordings.

27 00:24:00 tommost Score! Package download complete!

27 00:25:00 auchter 24 cds ripped so far...

27 00:55:00 andy753421 does anyone know how to package data files for unix installers?

27 00:55:00 andy753421 i.e. so that i looks in $PREFIX/share/<program>/ for them?

27 01:22:00 andy753421 ls

27 01:22:00 tommost andy753421

27 01:22:00 tommost auchter:

27 01:22:00 tommost Morasique

27 01:22:00 tommost octavious

27 01:23:00 tommost :D

27 01:23:00 ZetaSyanthis is confused

27 01:26:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-10.log#line-4583

27 01:27:00 ZetaSyanthis ah, rgr

27 01:28:00 ZetaSyanthis thanks, Morasique

27 01:31:00 tommost Whoo hoo, upgrade complete: time to restart.

27 01:40:00 tommost Well, there was a bit of an issue with my aticonfig-mangled xorg.conf, but otherwise that went pretty well.

27 01:41:00 tommost Oh, and by Bluetooth mouse stopped working. :(

27 08:52:00 andy753421 do block sizes still matter, or does any sequential disk read go at the same speed?

27 08:54:00 auchter i'm not sure how much they matter. i'd still probably go for a smaller block size

27 09:00:00 andy753421 auchter: i was curious if you need them at all

27 09:01:00 auchter physical blocks or logical blocks?

27 09:01:00 andy753421 either?

27 09:01:00 auchter both?

27 09:01:00 auchter well, physical blocks, definitely

27 09:01:00 auchter logical blocks, i guess it would depend on the fs

27 09:01:00 andy753421 i.e. is there a reason that filesystems still like to align files, or would just specifying a start and end byte (or word) offset work just as well

27 09:02:00 auchter well, you're still going to need to read the physical block

27 09:02:00 andy753421 ok, so disks still read things based on blocks?

27 09:02:00 auchter unless something's changed on me

27 09:03:00 andy753421 alright

27 09:03:00 andy753421 i don't really have any idea how low level disk access works so I wasn't sure

27 09:04:00 auchter also, there seems to be another computer on the plan9/lug stack in F217

27 09:05:00 andy753421 hey, that's odd

27 09:06:00 auchter indeed. and the monitors are all messed up.

27 09:41:00 andy753421 auchter: did we get signed up for going to the SGA meeting?

27 09:41:00 auchter andy753421: i'm going to send him the email today, we needed to have our budget ready

27 09:42:00 auchter is that link still valid for the computer?

27 09:42:00 andy753421 should be

27 09:42:00 auchter i'll put it into excel and attach that

27 09:42:00 auchter ok

27 09:42:00 andy753421 we should update http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Budget

27 09:43:00 andy753421 i.e. i'll do that while i'm waiting for curt to get done teaching 120

27 09:59:00 andy753421 do we want to keep those 'Other materials' in the budget?

27 10:00:00 andy753421 i suppose we could just pad it up to a nice even number like $2000 ;)

27 10:01:00 andy753421 we could probably cut flash drives and hard drives from that, but it would be nice to have our own CD's, and quick ref cards sound cool

27 14:02:00 tommost Morasique: How do you use Conky with awesome?

27 14:29:00 Morasique tommost: i don't use them together, they're totally separate

27 14:30:00 tommost I mean, how would you use Conky when you don't really have a desktop?

27 14:30:00 Morasique you have a desktop, there's just nothing on it. it paints on the root x window

27 14:31:00 quark conky is the shit

27 14:31:00 quark i love it

27 14:31:00 tommost Ah, okay. I was thinking that it just put a window under everything else, and that awesome wouldn't like that.

27 14:31:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/bg.png

27 14:31:00 Morasique it can do that too, but i never have

27 14:32:00 quark entropy...lol

27 14:39:00 Morasique wollowski is smelling the projector

27 14:43:00 auchter Morasique: ``seve eigh''

27 14:45:00 Morasique auchter: yeah, and thre. i can't figure out how to fix that, each tag only shows the first four letters

27 14:46:00 Morasique awesome 3 switched from writing out the number to just using the digit, i switched it back to the old way

27 14:46:00 auchter awesome++

27 14:50:00 Morasique there aren't any public linux machines around, are there? voodoo and phantom both still run windows?

27 14:50:00 auchter right.

27 14:50:00 Morasique suck

27 14:51:00 tommost I have four Sun Rays I'd be willing to donate to the cause of making public Linux consoles available. ;)

27 14:51:00 Morasique i'm tired of my broken `d' key, i plan on going to iait soon

27 14:51:00 tommost That it has taken you this long amazes me.

27 14:52:00 Morasique well, it used to sort of work, now i've got a d on my clipboard because the key doesn't seem to work at all

27 14:53:00 quark really?

27 14:53:00 quark that sounds so annoying

27 14:53:00 quark i'd probably just stop using it

27 14:54:00 Morasique the letter `d'? it comes up occasionally

27 14:54:00 auchter an`f' is close enough

27 14:55:00 Morasique my roommates suggested i bind a little-used key to do it, i was tempted

27 14:55:00 auchter caps lock?

27 14:55:00 auchter you should do it, after a few months your mind would be irreversably damaged

27 14:55:00 Morasique i use it for mod3

27 14:56:00 quark insert?

27 14:56:00 zz and how is everyone doing today?

27 14:56:00 quark i never use thoes keys

27 14:56:00 Morasique insert blanks my screen. i think i have every key bound to something useful now

27 14:56:00 zz '`'??

27 14:56:00 zz oh nvm

27 14:56:00 tommost You don't use insert?

27 14:56:00 zz ~ is home

27 14:57:00 Morasique tommost: you do?

27 14:57:00 auchter ` is also open quote

27 14:57:00 tommost Yes.

27 14:57:00 tommost In text editors.

27 14:57:00 auchter tommost: you're wrong then

27 14:57:00 Morasique i've never known anybody to use it

27 14:57:00 auchter `i' is insert

27 14:57:00 zz psh

27 14:57:00 auchter modality ftw

27 14:57:00 Morasique auchter: die. it was worth typing the d

27 14:57:00 tommost I use it to switch to overtype mode.

27 14:58:00 tommost Ironically.

27 14:58:00 Morasique tommost: well, obviously, but i've never found a need for overtype mode

27 14:58:00 zz ok back to class

27 14:58:00 zz we were off on a tangent

27 14:59:00 zz beleive it or not Dr. Mutchler can answer questions for evevr

27 14:59:00 auchter class?

27 14:59:00 Morasique yes, like the ai lecture i should theoretically be listening to

27 15:39:00 auchter we just got a handout in signals

27 15:40:00 auchter it's four pages long. helpfully, at the end of the first page it says "Page 1 of 1", the second page "Page 2 of 2", etc.

27 15:40:00 Morasique should've run it through latex twice :)

27 15:41:00 auchter i'm assuming its word

27 15:41:00 auchter it also says ``Winter 2006'' at the bottom

27 15:41:00 Morasique yeah, i wasn't holding out much hope

27 15:45:00 Morasique i just got an e-mail from an ANGEL recruiter with this line in it: "We wanted to follow up specifically with you since Professors Anderson, Clifton & Mohan recommended you as someone who might be a good fit at ANGEL Learning."

27 15:45:00 Morasique i need to have a few words with them

27 15:45:00 auchter i think curt hates you

27 15:50:00 ZetaSyanthisLapt haha, nice

27 15:52:00 Morasique this is a sudoku solver in J: http://pastebin.com/m31dd258c

27 15:52:00 Morasique that is pretty much the language from hell. i take back everything i ever said about perl

27 15:54:00 auchter yeah, i think i'm going to learn python at some point this year

27 15:54:00 Morasique gasps

27 15:55:00 tommost gasps

27 15:59:00 auchter eh, i don't know perl as well as i once did, so i'm not terribly attached to it anymore

27 16:01:00 Morasique also you realized it's terrible. it's ok, i won't tell anyone

27 16:09:00 tommost FYI, cheerleaders: "!" != "?"

27 16:10:00 auchter no, that worked

27 16:10:00 auchter attention...cheerleading!

27 16:11:00 tommost I suppose that it does if you include "Attention Guys and Gals". I just skipped directly to the big red text, as I imagine most people will.

27 16:16:00 Morasique i look forward to getting reminder e-mails on the 29th, 4th, 5th and 6th

27 16:16:00 tommost Oh, joy.

27 16:18:00 Morasique i just remembered tomorrow is bid tuesday. that should be barrels of fun

27 16:18:00 tommost Gah, well, at least rush will be winding down. There are some terribly ugly posters that I really want to tear down.

27 16:21:00 Morasique i love being in the lab when stupid e-mails like the cheerleading one go around, i get to listen to people mocking it

27 16:22:00 auchter we sadly seem to be in different labs.

27 16:22:00 auchter are there any docking stations in there forthe HPs?

27 16:23:00 Morasique yeah; if you're coming just for the cheerleading discussion, it lasted about 30 seconds

27 16:24:00 auchter no, i'd go for the docking stations

27 16:24:00 auchter as there are none in this lab.

27 16:24:00 auchter s/none/& free/

27 16:26:00 Morasique now auchter is making fun of my awesome tags :'(

27 16:29:00 tommost Morasique++

27 16:30:00 auchter his tags are dumb

27 16:32:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-10-27_20:27:14_1920x1200.png

27 16:32:00 Morasique your FACE is dumb

27 16:32:00 Morasique high fives himself

27 16:32:00 Morasique btw, mutchler++ for the logo e-mail

27 16:32:00 tommost auchter: Are you gonna take that?

27 16:33:00 auchter i found it humorous

27 16:34:00 auchter and yeah, the logo is pretty horrible

27 16:34:00 tommost Yeah, it's pretty bland.

27 16:34:00 auchter Morasique: at first i thought you were referring to the language logo

27 16:34:00 auchter Morasique: i was looking forward to a picture of the turtle

27 16:36:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/ha.png

27 16:36:00 Morasique take that

27 16:36:00 Morasique (it says "auchter makes me cry". you'll have to trust me on that though)

27 16:36:00 Morasique 1 free karma to somebody who figures out how to make awesome 3 display the full tag name, i think that's the only problem i haven't resolved

27 16:43:00 Morasique "HashMap<Assignment, DefaultMutableTreeNode> assignmentNodes = new HashMap<Assignment, DefaultMutableTreeNode>();"

27 16:43:00 Morasique i hate you java. i hate you so much

27 16:44:00 tommost Your senior project?

27 16:45:00 Morasique yeah

27 16:45:00 tommost How's that going?

27 16:50:00 Morasique ok. this is the first week we've really done something, it's been all useless documentation and pdf fiddling

27 16:50:00 Morasique green hills wants to interview me!! i feel so flattered, except i'm already on their interview schedule. they could at least filter the e-mails to not go to people they've already roped in

27 16:52:00 tommost So, wanting to test whether Flash 10 fullscreen video works, I opened up YouTube. Unfortunately, I can't see anything worth watching here.

27 16:53:00 tommost I clicked on "Most Viewed" and it got worse.

27 16:53:00 Morasique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

27 16:53:00 Morasique obviously

27 16:53:00 tommost Sweet. Fullscreen works.

27 16:55:00 tommost Also, that random YouTube Greasemonkey script that I installed during my presentation is quite nice.

27 16:55:00 tommost It provides JavaScript buttons that mean that I don't have to click on the flash video itself to do stuff.

27 16:56:00 auchter obviously: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A40zUK5QfxA

27 16:57:00 tommost auchter: Profound.

27 16:57:00 auchter yeah. he's pretty awesome.

27 16:58:00 auchter so is this green hills thing going to have copious amounts of food?

27 16:58:00 tommost s/$/~/

27 16:58:00 tommost Fixed.

27 16:58:00 Morasique it says they'll have "dinner"; i'm not sure what that means

27 16:58:00 Morasique and they're raffling off an ipod shuffle

27 16:58:00 Morasique !

27 16:58:00 Morasique sidenote for anybody using pidgin: the psychic mode plugin is awesome

27 16:59:00 tommost Oh, yes, it is.

27 16:59:00 tommost I love that thing.

27 16:59:00 tommost Especially with people who are slow typists.

27 16:59:00 Morasique i didn't even realize clients sent typing alerts for the first message, but apparently they do

27 17:02:00 quark what does it do?

27 17:02:00 quark the psychic module?

27 17:03:00 Morasique when somebody starts typing a message to you when you don't have their window open it opens their window and shows the message "you feel a disturbance in the force", so you know when people are about to send you a message before they have

27 17:03:00 auchter quark: actually i don't have it as a module, it's compiled into my kernel

27 17:03:00 quark i don't like pidgin

27 17:03:00 quark i mean its nice

27 17:03:00 quark but I like bitlbee so much more

27 17:03:00 auchter that's because you're likely using it as a module

27 17:03:00 auchter all the modprobing gets old

27 17:04:00 quark i'm not using pidgin...

27 17:04:00 quark irssi+bitlbee for my aim

27 17:04:00 Morasique auchter: don't make fun of the non-gentoo users. just because they can't compile psychic mode into their kernels doesn't mean you get to feel superior

27 17:04:00 quark i can compile a kernel thank you very much

27 17:04:00 auchter Morasique: no, but it does mean that i can tell that they feel inferior on the inside

27 17:04:00 quark i consider myself a slackware user

27 17:05:00 quark even though i'm not currently suing it

27 17:05:00 quark i'm going to install arch linux toinght

27 17:05:00 auchter i've been joking, as that apparently wasn't completely obvious

27 17:06:00 quark nah

27 17:06:00 quark but I didn't think you could compile pidgin modules into your kernel

27 17:06:00 quark that would be kind of stupid

27 17:06:00 quark but since I don't use pidgin....

27 17:06:00 quark meatball subs are the shit btw

27 17:06:00 auchter the coolest thing is when you link your kernel against gtk

27 17:06:00 auchter gtk2 is better, but some say gtk is faster

27 17:07:00 quark i use qt10

27 17:07:00 auchter quark++

27 17:07:00 tommost Well, why not? We have the tux webserver; shouldn't IMing get the same kind of attention to performance? All of those system calls are slowing things down.

27 17:07:00 auchter kernel space ftw

27 17:07:00 Morasique all IM clients should run in kernel space. everyone knows this

27 17:07:00 auchter there should be an aim_send and aim_recv syscall

27 17:08:00 tommost Personally, I find it surprising that Gentoo hasn't come up with a generic way to run programs in kernel space. It would fit right in with all the compiling.

27 17:08:00 Morasique bitlbee looks cool, but i think i would get annoyed having everybody in the same window like that

27 17:08:00 quark no ddude

27 17:08:00 quark its so sweet

27 17:08:00 quark nice

27 17:08:00 quark there are lots of perl scripts for it too

27 17:09:00 quark so you can see when people are typing

27 17:09:00 Morasique appealing to my love of perl. good strategy

27 17:09:00 quark you can send typing notifications

27 17:09:00 quark although I don't

27 17:09:00 Morasique i can send typing notifications in pidgin. by starting to type

27 17:09:00 quark yeah...

27 17:09:00 quark obviously

27 17:10:00 quark i just like using irssi for all my chatting

27 17:10:00 auchter what the hell's with all the damn phones ringing?

27 17:10:00 quark do you use pidgin for irc?

27 17:10:00 quark bceause that is super lame

27 17:10:00 Morasique being able to keep my aim session in my desktop screen would be nice

27 17:10:00 Morasique no, i use irssi, but i see no problem with using pidgin if people like that

27 17:10:00 Morasique auchter: i don't know, that's the third one i've heard today

27 17:10:00 quark i mean I really don't care

27 17:10:00 Morasique and i think the third one i've heard ever in the lab

27 17:10:00 quark i just wouldn't do it personally

27 17:11:00 quark i'm sure you would be fine if I was a mac user

27 17:11:00 Morasique i used to but i prefer irssi so i can keep it in a screen session

27 17:11:00 Morasique i would wonder why you were in here

27 17:11:00 quark i do that too

27 17:11:00 quark so I never remeber to set my away on aim

27 17:11:00 quark but I don't really care

27 17:11:00 tommost I changed my GTK skin, which prompted Pidgin to change the colors it uses for people's nicks. Now quark and auchter are virtually identical... it's confusing.

27 17:11:00 auchter #rhmac

27 17:12:00 quark is that really a channel?

27 17:12:00 quark tommost: yeah colors suck

27 17:12:00 quark i rely on reading

27 17:12:00 Morasique you can do both

27 17:12:00 quark unless someone says my name

27 17:13:00 quark then it becomes yellow

27 17:13:00 Morasique yellow? a color? that's super lame

27 17:13:00 auchter i prefer my nominative pronouns to be green, verbs to be yellow, transitive verbs to be orange, etc.

27 17:13:00 Morasique auchter: that would be the best setup ever

27 17:13:00 Morasique povilusr would completely destroy the syntax highlighter

27 17:14:00 Morasique gah! how did the physics whiteboard problem slip through my filters

27 17:14:00 Morasique oh, she changed the subject. not cool

27 17:15:00 Morasique i wonder if it would be rude to take my laptop to the green hills info session and talk on irc the whole time

27 17:16:00 auchter i'm doing it.

27 17:16:00 quark i eman

27 17:16:00 quark you do it in class....

27 17:17:00 Morasique true, but i'm attempting to get a job from these people

27 17:17:00 Morasique although really i'm not, so i guess it doesn't matter

27 17:17:00 quark its an info session right?

27 17:18:00 quark not an interview

27 17:18:00 quark you might not want to talk on irc during an interview

27 17:18:00 quark but you are pretty much anonmous in an info session

27 17:19:00 auchter they'll likely realize who i am during the interview.

27 17:19:00 quark maybe

27 17:19:00 Morasique yeah, there is that problem. i don't think i've ever gone to an info session before, i'm not quite sure what they'll be informing me about that wasn't in the e-mail they sent out

27 17:19:00 Morasique s/e-mail/five e-mails in two days/

27 18:18:00 Morasique were we threatened via e-mail? i think i'm afraid to sign the petition now

27 18:36:00 Morasique i might actually like bitlbee. i haven't decided yet

27 18:40:00 tommost What's the point of it when screen and finch exist?

27 18:41:00 Morasique i'm using it in screen, i don't really like finch though

27 18:41:00 tommost Yeah, same here.

27 18:42:00 Morasique i leave finch open in a screen session to keep me on aim when my laptop is off, i think i'm going to use bitlbee for that instead

27 18:42:00 tommost They should just make Pidgin capable of reconnecting to X after a disconnect (like Xpra, but natively). That would be perfect.

27 18:43:00 Morasique they should make all X apps do that, i never understood why X apps close when X does, but i don't know much about how X works

27 18:43:00 tommost Agreed.

27 18:43:00 Morasique it seems like there's no reason X apps can't be connected to multiple displays, or none at all

27 18:44:00 tommost Definitely.

27 18:44:00 Morasique oh, bitlbee uses voicing to show if people are away or not. nice

27 18:48:00 quark yeah

27 18:48:00 Morasique "oscar - Error: SNAC threw error: Busted SNAC payload"

27 18:48:00 Morasique interesting

27 19:25:00 Morasique i never knew about this: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3966.txt

27 20:22:00 auchter fortune i just got: parser/decl++.c:1700: warning: empty input file

27 21:35:00 tommost shadghost--

27 21:38:00 auchter tommost: you like provoking incomprehensible tirades, don't you?

27 21:39:00 tommost I just wanted to not have less karma than shadghost.

27 21:39:00 tommost It's a small wish.

27 21:49:00 tommost My new .awesomerc is awesome. I got rid of a lot of that modifier key craziness.

27 21:59:00 tommost Moment of truth: does radeonhd work?

27 22:04:00 auchter ah, i'm glad my irc session isn't tied to my X session.

27 22:16:00 tommost auchter: Yes, that would be nice. I just don't restart X (without loosing network connectivity anyway) for using Xpra locally to really be worth it.

27 22:17:00 tommost Also, score one for dual monitors with radeonhd.

27 22:17:00 tommost And the gnome-display-properties.

27 22:20:00 tommost And I can even watch video at a third of the screen size!

27 22:21:00 auchter tommost: it's been a while since i last used radeonhd, how's the shearing when playing video?

27 22:22:00 tommost Both the radeonhd man page and the pegged CPU on htop say that it doesn't support XVideo yet.

27 22:23:00 auchter right, but how about x11 or sdl?

27 22:24:00 tommost Let me check. (I'm not sure what Totem is using, though I'd guess it's X11.)

27 22:29:00 tommost Something like 1/2 framerate fullscreen x11.

27 22:29:00 auchter weak.

27 22:31:00 tommost SDL -zoom without -fs got the video driver very, very confused.

27 22:32:00 tommost Anything else I should try?

27 22:33:00 auchter not that i can think of

27 22:37:00 tommost I can get almost fully-smooth video on my 1440x900 external monitor with Totem (it looks like X11).

27 22:37:00 tommost This is what I'd been hoping for. :D

27 22:39:00 tommost ls

27 23:05:00 tommost Is anyone presenting this Thursday?

27 23:05:00 auchter i think someone asked crrto

27 23:05:00 tommost What was the topic?

27 23:05:00 auchter i love my spacebar, by the way

27 23:05:00 auchter gaming in linux

27 23:06:00 tommost Ah, cool.

27 23:06:00 tommost We need to queue up Morasique talking about Lua.

28 00:28:00 tommost Okaaaayy... X RandR definitely goes in the "not working" category.

28 00:46:00 Morasique tommost: xrandr didn't work for me for ages; it still doesn't do most of the stuff it's supposed to do

28 00:47:00 auchter it worked perfectly for me on my desktop at work this summer...

28 00:47:00 auchter the monitor, not being able to rotate, was subjected to positioning and pressures it wasn't designed for, but that seemed to work too

28 00:51:00 Morasique the only thing i can use it for is turning on or off my external monitor, but that's also all i want to use it for so i don't really care

28 00:52:00 Morasique http://www.thegamergene.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/guitar-hero-for-mac.jpg

28 00:53:00 Morasique wow. firefox crashed as i was switching tags, i couldn't figure out where it went

28 01:25:00 andy753421 auchter: did you email that guy the budget?

28 01:25:00 andy753421 also, you should learn ruby instead of python

28 01:27:00 Morasique auchter: he's just kidding. you should learn python

28 01:36:00 andy753421 tommost: i noticed on the wiki you're using gnome-settings-daemon, which is evil, why are you using it?

28 07:04:00 tommost andy753421: How is it evil? It puts a pretty picture on my desktop and makes stuff display in the theme I like.

28 07:05:00 andy753421 and why do you need a daemon to do that?

28 07:06:00 andy753421 echo 'include "/usr/share/themes/<your_theme>/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0

28 07:06:00 andy753421 and then use xsetroot or something instead

28 07:07:00 tommost Meh, maybe I'll do that.

28 07:07:00 tommost Anyway, chem test now.

28 08:23:00 auchter andy753421: i'm going to send him the email in a bit. i've got the budget entered into excel, though

28 08:59:00 auchter brutal weather out there

28 09:23:00 andy753421 auchter: sent yet? I'm going to keep bothering you until you send it, seeing how you said you were going to send it yesterday and didn't

28 09:23:00 andy753421 also, attach the excel spreadsheet to the wiki

28 09:25:00 auchter actually, i said i would send it on friday

28 09:25:00 auchter let me rdesktop in again, i saved it as xlsx...