31 22:22:00 povilusr_eeepc soo we have this projector and here is a coutch just below it
31 22:23:00 povilusr_eeepc and i want a scrit that will move a mouse around the bottom 100 ish pixles of the screen
31 22:23:00 povilusr_eeepc soo my cat can play with it
31 22:23:00 povilusr_eeepc a mouse pointer sized object
31 22:24:00 povilusr_eeepc caue right now we have to mannualy play with cat on the projector
31 22:25:00 tommost Laser pointer + stepper motor ;)
31 22:26:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah that is an option but we already have the projector
31 22:26:00 povilusr_eeepc also it allows 2d motion
31 22:26:00 tommost Laser pointer + stepper motor + servo ;)
31 22:26:00 povilusr_eeepc youd need 2 steppers and a micro
31 22:29:00 auchter povilusr_eeepc: this might be a good starting point: http://www.suckless.org/programs/swarp.html
31 22:30:00 povilusr_eeepc that could work
31 22:30:00 povilusr_eeepc if i were using nix, unfortuntly i am running windows
31 22:31:00 povilusr_eeepc and it should not warp but move slowly ish
31 22:31:00 auchter well, the source could be modified to slew it easily
31 22:31:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah
31 22:31:00 tommost What about AutoHotkey?
31 22:31:00 auchter or you could just script it
31 22:31:00 tommost http://www.autohotkey.com/
31 22:32:00 auchter better question: why are you running windows?
31 22:33:00 povilusr_eeepc its a projector driver so all we use it for is watchin videoes
31 22:33:00 povilusr_eeepc i may out ubuntu on it
31 22:33:00 povilusr_eeepc put*
31 22:34:00 povilusr_eeepc auto hotkey may work
31 22:34:00 povilusr_eeepc but wintirely random is better
31 22:36:00 tommost I can't figure out what that last line is supposed to mean.
31 22:36:00 povilusr_eeepc entirely random
31 22:37:00 tommost As opposed to pseudo-random? I don't see how your cat would care.
31 22:37:00 povilusr_eeepc like bouncing cuumb
31 22:37:00 tommost http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/Random.htm
31 22:37:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah
31 22:37:00 povilusr_eeepc i just dont want to have to record it
31 22:38:00 tommost I was thinking that you could script movement of the mouse pointer.
31 22:38:00 povilusr_eeepc bounncing cube screensaver
31 22:38:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah that would work
31 22:38:00 povilusr_eeepc but only in the bottom 100-200 pixles
31 22:39:00 auchter andy753421: is there a cpdir equivalent for mv? it's ridiculous that mv doesn't support moving directories.
31 22:39:00 Morasique er. since when does move not support moving directories?
31 22:40:00 Morasique or is this a plan9 thing
31 22:40:00 tommost Doubtless.
31 22:40:00 auchter plan9 mv does not support moving directories
31 22:40:00 Morasique ah
31 22:40:00 tommost Why?
31 22:41:00 auchter no bloody idea; i see the rationale for cp, but not really for mv
31 22:41:00 auchter actually, i kind of can
31 22:43:00 tommost What would that be?
31 22:55:00 auchter implementing mv as it is on linux, for example, wouldn't be fun for 9p
31 22:55:00 auchter for renaming you could just do a wstat to change the name of the file
31 22:56:00 auchter but that wouldn't work for changing the path of a file
31 23:07:00 andy753421 um, it should be me, mike, tom, and jay
31 23:09:00 Mishtal was my name said in reference to someone else?
31 23:10:00 tommost Mishtal: Auchter
31 23:10:00 auchter right, just refer to me as "auchter" from now on, it will alleviate confusion
31 23:10:00 tommost I already do. :D
31 23:10:00 Mishtal everyone does
31 23:11:00 auchter as do most people; there are exceptionally few people who call me mike
31 23:12:00 andy753421 oh, so i totally posted that to the wrong channel
31 23:14:00 octavious LUG have an appearance at the Activities Fair?
31 23:14:00 tommost That's Wednesday, right?
31 23:14:00 octavious or is it wrapped up with the Robotics stuff
31 23:14:00 auchter i'll be there for robotics, we'll likely take the table behind the robotics table for lug
31 23:14:00 auchter that's what we did last year at least
31 23:14:00 octavious yeah. wed at 7
31 23:15:00 auchter anyone else want to come for LUG?
31 23:15:00 andy753421 i'll be there for both
31 23:15:00 tommost I'll be there for both.
31 23:15:00 octavious i will likely be there
31 23:15:00 octavious too bad we have no LUG apparel..
31 23:15:00 auchter spray paint + t-shirt + stencil
31 23:16:00 andy753421 indeed, you're forgetting the power of a sharpie
31 23:16:00 andy753421 .. and blood drive t-shirs :)
31 23:17:00 auchter speaking of IDs, the lug should buy an RFID reader/writer for the frequency our cards use
31 23:17:00 tommost auchter++
31 23:18:00 tommost Any particular plans for that?
31 23:18:00 auchter uh, making a mockery of the whole thing?
31 23:19:00 auchter i suppose it depends on how the cards actually work, which i'm interested in finding out
31 23:27:00 Morasique auchter: i've always wanted to fiddle with the cards, so i'm a fan. and i'll be at the activities fair
31 23:27:00 auchter should we have more than a bunch of people and a sign-up sheet?
31 23:28:00 tommost Large pictures of Tux and Glenda, of course.
31 23:28:00 tommost And a sign.
31 23:28:00 andy753421 was tommost making a poster?
31 23:28:00 auchter he is now
31 23:28:00 andy753421 ubuntu cd's?
31 23:28:00 tommost Er, yeah. Once I regain access to a mouse.
31 23:28:00 auchter tommost: see the topic
31 23:29:00 tommost Inkscape require mouse!
31 23:29:00 Morasique lies
31 23:29:00 andy753421 echo -n > /dev/event?
31 23:29:00 Morasique :D
31 23:29:00 tommost andy753421--
31 23:29:00 Morasique andy753421++
31 23:31:00 auchter we should have this printed by that poster printer: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/img/spaceglenda300.jpg
31 23:31:00 tommost Yes.
31 23:31:00 auchter i'd pay for it if i get to keep it ;)
31 23:31:00 tommost Kinkos.
31 23:32:00 andy753421 um, we have a print shop?
31 23:32:00 Morasique i'll weigh in in a few minutes when it finishes loading
31 23:32:00 tommost Morasique: It's on the wiki.
31 23:32:00 auchter yeah, i was thinking the print shop
31 23:32:00 Morasique ah, that thing
31 23:32:00 tommost Where is that?
31 23:33:00 andy753421 under the mail room and in the upstairs of myers
31 23:33:00 Morasique the print shop is in the facilities building, but there's a guy in myers that will do it too, he does big posters
31 23:33:00 andy753421 oh, did it used to be under the mailroom?
31 23:33:00 Morasique yeah, they moved it two years ago i think
31 23:33:00 andy753421 ah, alright
31 23:34:00 auchter myers, right at the top of the stairs
31 23:34:00 andy753421 i think it's like $10 or something for a 3x4 foot poster?
31 23:35:00 andy753421 we did that for tech comm
31 23:35:00 auchter yeah, it's pretty reasonable.
31 23:35:00 tommost Is that glossy?
31 23:35:00 andy753421 maybe, i don't remember
31 23:36:00 auchter oh, apparently the print shop is in facilities
31 23:36:00 Morasique ours wasn't, but they might be able to do glossy
31 23:36:00 auchter but there are plotters in that myers room, which is i think where they're actually printed
31 23:36:00 Morasique auchter: that print shop can't do big posters
31 23:37:00 Morasique afaik they're not related
31 23:37:00 tommost We also need one of Tux.
31 23:37:00 auchter ah, ok
31 23:37:00 auchter well, who wants a tux poster?
31 23:37:00 tommost For that matter, where do we get a high-resolution image of Tux?
31 23:37:00 Morasique auchter: who doesn't want a tux poster?
31 23:37:00 Morasique tommost: you can make one. in vim
31 23:38:00 tommost Morasique--
31 23:38:00 andy753421 http://images.google.com/images?q=tux&gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=G&imgsz=huge
31 23:38:00 andy753421 oh, those images suck
31 23:38:00 tommost Well, the first one is just the little one scaled up.
31 23:39:00 andy753421 http://lxvista.org/Tux.jpg that's pretty good
31 23:39:00 auchter http://gondolin.piglets.org/serendipity/uploads/tux-nabaztag.jpg uh, is that glenda?
31 23:39:00 tommost Not too bad, but still kinda small.
31 23:39:00 andy753421 i think wikipedia has a svg version of tux
31 23:40:00 tommost Ooo... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Tux.svg
31 23:40:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~watt/rh330/myerspr.htm : "The maximum printing width is 34.75 inches and the cost of printing is $1.00 per square foot. "
31 23:41:00 tommost That image looks cool in Firefox with gradual loading.
31 23:41:00 andy753421 http://www.marcreichelt.de/spezial/tuxgrafiken/ they have tux at 4000x4707
31 23:41:00 andy753421 (and the svg it's from)
31 23:42:00 tommost auchter: No, that's not Glenda.
31 23:42:00 tommost Wikipedia's is the same, but with a shadow.
01 00:33:00 Morasique i didn't know regular expressions supported non-grouping parentheses for ages, i really should've figured this out sooner
01 00:33:00 tommost Yes, they are wonderful.
01 00:39:00 Morasique is there a python method that takes a list of keys and a list of values and returns the dictionary connecting them? i thought there was but i can't find it now
01 00:40:00 tommost Yes. dict(zip(keys, values))
01 00:40:00 Morasique oh, i didn't think of using zip. thanks
01 00:40:00 tommost Use itertools.izip if you don't want to create the intermediary list.
01 00:56:00 Morasique score. bandwidth monitors in my awesome bar. take that iait
01 00:57:00 tommost Ooo...
01 01:00:00 auchter so http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/printers/ was updated with a printer in moench commons, but it looks like they failed at putting in the hostname
01 01:01:00 tommost Ticket filed.
01 01:02:00 Morasique tommost: are you going for some sort of record?
01 01:02:00 tommost Maybe. ;)
01 01:03:00 tommost I think that was the fastest ticket filing I've ever done. I'm proud.
01 01:04:00 auchter i'd be careful about every bringing your laptop in for service
01 01:04:00 auchter s/y//
01 01:06:00 Morasique damn. i was being really careful to not go over my limit for checking my bandwidth usage, and then i messed up in my awesome script and requested once per second for about a minute
01 01:06:00 tommost Fun.
01 01:07:00 tommost They really should make that information available in a more useful fashion.
01 01:07:00 tommost Putting it in a MySQL database is just odd.
01 01:07:00 Morasique it's available from a mysql database?
01 01:08:00 tommost Not that I'm aware of.
01 01:08:00 Morasique er. didn't you just say that?
01 01:08:00 tommost We only know that it's from a database because of that time they broke it an PHP showed us interesting error messages.
01 01:08:00 Morasique ah
01 01:10:00 tommost I'm really wondering how they brought MySQL into it. It seems like a terribly sub-optimal way to do it.
01 01:11:00 Morasique what's wrong with it?
01 01:12:00 tommost Well, it's clearly not really efficient or they wouldn't need to throttle our use of it so severely.
01 01:13:00 tommost Yahoo and Google don't stuff their live bandwidth monitoring information into a general-purpose database.
01 01:16:00 tommost http://graphite.wikidot.com/whisper
01 01:16:00 Morasique i really have no idea what yahoo and google do, but i don't think there's any reason for the rate limiting at all. every student on campus could request their bandwidth info every second and not overload a single mysql database
01 01:16:00 tommost Good point.
01 01:17:00 Morasique and i suspect about 30 students on campus even know that page exists
01 01:17:00 tommost No, pretty much everyone does.
01 01:17:00 Morasique really? i would think only CS type people would care
01 01:17:00 Morasique i guess people torrent stuff
01 01:17:00 Morasique glares at freshmen
01 01:17:00 tommost No. Everyone uses it, only CS types scrape it. :D
01 01:18:00 Morasique awesome bar!
01 01:18:00 tommost I'm going to want that script once I'm back on campus.
01 01:18:00 Morasique did you ever get the clock in your awesome bar? you should start there :)
01 01:19:00 tommost ...
01 01:19:00 Morasique you kept talking about how you wanted a clock in your awesome bar but were too lazy to figure it out
01 01:19:00 tommost ...
01 01:19:00 Morasique i think?
01 01:19:00 tommost ...
01 01:20:00 tommost *awkward silence*
01 01:20:00 Morasique i'm totally confused
01 01:20:00 tommost Do you not understand the significance of the ellipsis?
01 01:20:00 Morasique not by itself, no
01 01:20:00 Morasique also, the first log entries for this month are povilusr misspelling many things. yay
01 01:21:00 tommost kleinjt won last month's karma medal.
01 01:22:00 auchter speaking of bandwidth, what computer has 00:05:5d:d0:80:b8?
01 01:23:00 auchter oh wait, that's the plan9 box
01 01:24:00 auchter i was wondering why two entries were showing up on the bandwidth monitor, i was pretty sure i only had one computer on campus
01 01:24:00 tommost http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/15198
01 01:25:00 auchter cool, but that likely requires something i don't want to install
01 01:25:00 tommost What, Greasemonkey?
01 01:26:00 auchter yes; plus, i just wrote a script to dump my usage to a terminal, which is more useful to me anyway
01 01:26:00 tommost Well, I can't argue with that.
01 01:28:00 Morasique auchter: i wrote the same thing, awesome bar just uses that
01 01:30:00 Morasique tommost: i like the bars that greasemonkey script makes
01 01:33:00 tommost I need to write a script that tracks that stuff in a database so I can graph it over time.
01 10:33:00 auchter delvin's course actually sounds like it could be pretty interesting
01 10:36:00 auchter although i'm not liking the numerous mentions of java on that page
01 10:36:00 auchter but, as well all know, java invented garbage collection!
01 10:36:00 auchter </sarcasm>
01 11:53:00 auchter fossil + venti is awesome
01 11:54:00 auchter automatic hourly snapshots, permanent daily snapshots... this is how things should be done
01 12:00:00 Morasique i think this freshmen class may be the slowest yet. we had more laptop orientation problems than all other years put together
01 12:00:00 auchter care to elaborate?
01 12:01:00 Morasique they suck. at computers. things like turning on wireless, or typing
01 12:01:00 Morasique more than one person in my room said their "mouse was broken". they didn't plug them in
01 12:02:00 tommost is sad
01 12:02:00 tommost I think that you just convinced me to never do laptop orientation.
01 12:02:00 Morasique the one girl said her network password wasn't right, we had her try it like four times until she snapped at us that she was typing it right, and finally we got an iait person to come look at it. she was typing it wrong
01 12:02:00 Morasique also, girls really suck at computers. i now feel that stereotype is justified
01 12:03:00 auchter wow, sounds like a class of winners
01 12:03:00 tommost dies inside
01 12:03:00 Morasique in a room of 80% guys, 95% of the problems were from girls
01 12:03:00 Morasique iait also messed up the move from \\tibia to \\print, so there are printers missing
01 12:04:00 Morasique not sure how they managed that
01 12:04:00 tommost Why did they change that?
01 12:04:00 Morasique no idea
01 12:04:00 Morasique but they failed
01 12:04:00 Morasique bsb and mees are both missing from \\print
01 12:04:00 tommost Are you in BSB again?
01 12:05:00 Morasique no, but the freshmen are, they were trying to add printers from \\print
01 12:05:00 Morasique and couldn't find them
01 12:05:00 tommost I thought IAIT wanted everyone to use direct printing anyway.
01 12:05:00 auchter no, i want everyone to use direct printing, smb is dumb
01 12:05:00 Morasique oh, and on the slide that says to try logging into angel, they forgot to say what to do when IE pops up the phishing filter dialog. mass panic
01 12:06:00 Morasique we had 5 (*five*) people accidentally shut their machines down instead of logging off
01 12:08:00 Morasique the wireless switch was downright funny, the slide said to "gently tap the switch". we had people pushing it with so little force i don't think i could've felt it if they were pushing my arm, and looking around wondering what was wrong
01 12:09:00 Morasique tommost: iait always tells people to go through samba
01 12:10:00 tommost "Direct printing is the preferred printing method for long-term printer use."
01 12:13:00 tommost Well, time to head back to Rose.
01 12:34:00 Morasique oh. odd. i wonder why they make everyone go through samba then
01 12:34:00 Morasique well, not make. encourage
01 12:56:00 Morasique http://trunks.fireball20xl.com/twats/comic/comics/096.jpg
01 15:51:00 kleinjt "Everything can be done without mouse!"?
01 15:51:00 kleinjt is mouse the plural form of mouse?
01 16:28:00 Morasique kleinjt: start here: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-08.log#line-6690
01 17:23:00 collinjc auchter: Any idea how to reset a password on the plan9 server? I haven't got the slightest idea what it is, seeing as I haven't logged on in several months.
01 17:26:00 Morasique collinjc: this is why you should just use the same password for everything
01 17:26:00 Morasique make it something easy to remember, like your username
01 17:26:00 Morasique or just leave it blank
01 17:27:00 collinjc And run the risk of someone stealing all of the important data I have stored on the plan9 server? Hell no.
01 17:27:00 Morasique good point
01 17:28:00 collinjc I'm afraid it is a bit too late for sensible passwords.
01 17:29:00 Morasique i've been slowly converting mine over the last couple months, i've been randomly generating them and storing them in a truecrypt file, i just replace weak passwords as i login to the websites
01 17:30:00 collinjc I've been doing the same, only attempting to memorize mine. So far, the plan9 one is the only one I have managed to forget.
01 18:06:00 Morasique is anybody on waste?
01 18:11:00 auchter collinjc: i'll look into changing it later, but it's not really worth bothering with for now
01 18:11:00 auchter in a week or two, i plan on redoing everything
01 18:12:00 collinjc Sounds good.
01 18:12:00 auchter wait, there's a spirit club?
01 18:13:00 auchter wow: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~sedoffja/SpiritClub/Constitution.html
01 18:13:00 Morasique er. i get question marks all over that, is that my problem or the pages?
01 18:14:00 auchter that's the page
01 18:14:00 auchter that was partly why i said "wow"
01 18:14:00 Morasique the fact that there's a spirit club is wow-worthy by itself
01 18:15:00 auchter the voting membership section is hilarious
01 18:17:00 Morasique :D wow
01 18:17:00 Morasique i doubt jakubowski could recite dear ole rose on request
01 18:17:00 auchter we should have some absurd requirement hidden in our constitution
01 18:17:00 auchter i had never even heard of it until now
01 18:18:00 Morasique i've heard it before, but i certainly don't remember it
01 20:03:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/internet_connections/network_statistics/ that made my day
01 20:03:00 auchter you see, SGA was stupid and went about the bandwidth problems the wrong way
01 20:04:00 auchter instead of having them reinstated, they should have pushed to double our bandwidth; 100Mb/s would be reasonable for a campus our size, 45Mb/s is not
01 21:45:00 andy753421 hey, lug shows up on the rose-hulman search now: http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/rhit?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=LDAP&btnG=Search
01 21:47:00 auchter that's pretty nifty
01 21:47:00 auchter the first result for my name is entertaining
01 21:48:00 auchter hah, the logs are indexed too... i can see that being bad
01 21:57:00 auchter andy753421: in rc, what does @{ } mean?
01 21:58:00 auchter oh, never mind, i skipped over it last time i looked in the manpage
01 23:47:00 Morasique awesome, i'm under 100% usage on my 3 day
02 00:06:00 octavious was someone getting tux printed on a poster for the activities fair?
02 00:06:00 Morasique i think tommost. maybe
02 00:23:00 Morasique tommost: are you printing a poster for the activities fair?
02 00:24:00 tommost I expect so.
02 00:29:00 tommost Who here is at Rose currently?
02 00:29:00 tommost Morasique: Did we figure out how the printing works?
02 00:30:00 auchter i think you just send gary burgess a postscript file with desired dimensions
02 00:30:00 andy753421 tommost: i am
02 00:31:00 tommost That sounds good.
02 00:31:00 tommost auchter: Are you here yet?
02 00:31:00 andy753421 tommost: are you at rose?
02 00:31:00 tommost Yes, I got here a few hours ago.
02 00:31:00 andy753421 I guess here means yes.
02 00:31:00 andy753421 ok, are you living over in percopo this year?
02 00:33:00 auchter tommost: no, i'll be at rose wednesday afternoon
02 00:33:00 tommost Yeah, rooms 205/7.
02 00:33:00 tommost (Yes means yes. ;) )
02 00:35:00 tommost Do you want your flash drive?
02 00:36:00 andy753421 eh, sometime, but i don't want to walk over there right now
02 00:45:00 Morasique is anybody running waste natively? it segfaults when i run it
02 00:47:00 andy753421 native waste sucks
02 00:47:00 andy753421 i assume you're trying to use the wx port?
02 00:48:00 andy753421 the UI is terrible and i think it has some connection problems
02 00:49:00 andy753421 auchter: did we ever figure out gnunet?
02 00:52:00 andy753421 because tom's scared of IAIT
02 00:52:00 Morasique er. they know we run.....*IT*
02 00:52:00 andy753421 yea, i'm pretty sure waste isn't much of a secret
02 00:53:00 Morasique s/waste/*IT*/
02 00:53:00 andy753421 ?
02 00:53:00 Morasique we're speaking in code
02 00:53:00 tommost Well, port 1337, yeah.
02 00:53:00 Morasique to keep iait in the dark
02 00:53:00 andy753421 ...
02 00:53:00 auchter andy753421: nope, just as lost as before on gnunet
02 00:54:00 andy753421 auchter: alright
02 00:54:00 auchter andy753421: i think we need to come up with a solution involving inferno
02 00:54:00 andy753421 auchter: haha
02 00:56:00 Morasique the main problem with not-waste is it's kind of useless if most of the campus isn't using it
02 00:57:00 auchter of course, but waste has the anonymity issue
02 00:58:00 andy753421 yea, if you want to get people to use non-waste now is the time
02 00:59:00 andy753421 i bet if you just compiled a list of waste users and e-mailed everyone telling them that waste isn't anonymous they would switch
02 00:59:00 tommost_aorist andy753421++
02 01:02:00 Morasique you wouldn't even need to, you could just send out a global waste message. i'll try fiddling with gnunet; what's the problem with it?
02 01:03:00 andy753421 Morasique: that would sort of defeat the purpose..
02 01:07:00 Morasique er. why?
02 01:08:00 Morasique it's equivalent to making a list of waste users and e-mailing them
02 01:08:00 andy753421 except an e-mail proves how easy it is to make a list of waste users (and probably gets peoples attention a little bit more)
02 01:09:00 Morasique oh. i suppose
02 01:09:00 andy753421 would also work for people that aren't continously signed on
02 01:11:00 andy753421 in other news, google is making a web browser
02 01:11:00 auchter s/web browser/operating system/
02 01:11:00 andy753421 auchter: perhaps :P
02 01:12:00 andy753421 but it's using webkit which is pretty cool
02 01:37:00 Blazeix yeah, it looks like every tab is a separate process in the google browser. that sounds pretty cool.
02 15:07:00 Morasique awesome, our mailbox sizes are increasing from 200mb to 500mb. thus i can continue to ignore these warning e-mails
02 15:07:00 tommost Hehe.
02 15:12:00 Morasique we got an e-mail intended solely for people attending medical, dental, optometry, pharmacy, or veterinary school. somebody reply and ask if anybody here is attending any of those, ever
02 15:18:00 Morasique does anybody know if awesome is ewmh compliant? xpra is claiming it isn't
02 15:23:00 tommost Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there.
02 15:24:00 tommost You could ask in #parti.
02 15:27:00 Morasique well, i'll mess with it more first. i should try with another wm probably
02 15:27:00 Morasique i tried commenting out the check but then i can't get xpra to show any windows
02 15:27:00 tommost I know it works with Metacity.
02 15:42:00 auchter erm, this cheerleading email is scaring me "We're going co-ed"
02 16:06:00 tommost So how big will they print posters?
02 16:08:00 tommost (The print shop.)
02 16:27:00 auchter tommost: i think i recall 34" is the width of their plotter
02 16:30:00 tommost But no limit on length?
02 16:30:00 auchter well, within reason i don't think so. usually the paper comes on rolls
02 16:31:00 tommost Okay then.
02 16:33:00 tommost They changed the certificate on the LDAP server?
02 16:40:00 tommost Go here in FIrefox: http://www.marcreichelt.de/spezial/tuxgrafiken/tux.svg
02 16:40:00 tommost Type Ctrl-Shift-S
02 16:40:00 Morasique what does that do?
02 16:41:00 tommost For me it makes Tux show up as a silhouette.
02 16:41:00 tommost It doesn't seem to do that for Jay, though. (Of course, he's on Windows.)
02 16:44:00 auchter doesn't do that for me
02 16:45:00 tommost I wonder what's going on, then.
02 17:07:00 tommost How's this? http://daishi.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/poster.svg
02 17:10:00 auchter i'm guessing firefox just sucks at rendering svg: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-02_21:06:43_1920x1200.png
02 17:10:00 auchter not a fan of "C.S." as opposed to "CS"
02 17:12:00 Morasique firefox and eog are both cutting off the right side
02 17:12:00 auchter also, i'm beginning to think that you're obsessed with U+2638.
02 17:12:00 tommost auchter: You don't have the font I used for the second line of text.
02 17:13:00 auchter ah, that explains why it looked so horrible
02 17:13:00 tommost I'll make it a path... just a sec.
02 17:13:00 Morasique can you export a png or something? i'm having issues
02 17:14:00 tommost Sure.
02 17:14:00 Morasique eog isn't showing glenda at all
02 17:14:00 tommost Just a sec.
02 17:14:00 tommost http://daishi.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/poster.png
02 17:14:00 Morasique much better, thanks
02 17:15:00 auchter looks good, except that bloody wheel
02 17:15:00 auchter and maybe s/C\.S\. lab/F225/
02 17:15:00 tommost I wondered if you wouldn't like that. :) I'll remove it.
02 17:15:00 tommost Okay.
02 17:15:00 auchter freshman may not exactly know where the CS lab is
02 17:16:00 Morasique they didn't have trouble finding it last year when they wanted to steal our couches
02 17:16:00 auchter right, that sucked
02 17:17:00 auchter but they're hardly as annoying as some members of my class, who seem to think it's ok to watch anime in the CS lab. without headphones.
02 17:17:00 Morasique we should put the time in GMT; time zones are for losers ;)
02 17:17:00 tommost Okay, check now.
02 17:18:00 auchter F225
02 17:18:00 Morasique is it 222?
02 17:18:00 Morasique yeah, i think they're F217 and F225; i'll take auchter's word for it that we meet in the latter
02 17:19:00 tommost Okay.
02 17:19:00 auchter hah, F222 is curt's office
02 17:19:00 tommost Okay, no we're not the MUG. :)
02 17:19:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/users/groups/Facilities/HTML/building_layouts/Moench2.pdf for reference
02 17:20:00 Morasique damn, i was just pasting that link
02 17:21:00 Morasique i should auto-delete any e-mail with "Reminder" in the subject
02 17:21:00 auchter why is there a line above glenda in the png?
02 17:22:00 tommost Oh, I think that's just Inkscape getting confused at non-pixel boundaries.
02 17:22:00 Morasique glenda has a white background, everything else is transparent, it looks like that causes it
02 17:23:00 Morasique were we going to distribute CDs at the fair?
02 17:23:00 tommost It must be antialiasing to the black transparent background.
02 17:23:00 auchter i think that's a mistake
02 17:23:00 tommost That should be easy to fix.
02 17:23:00 auchter distributing CDs, that is
02 17:24:00 auchter people can download them themselves, it's not like they're idiots
02 17:24:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#line-206
02 17:24:00 Morasique but ok. just making sure we had some available if we were planning to distribute them
02 17:24:00 tommost Morasique++
02 17:25:00 auchter hey, if you want to distribute them, go for it
02 17:25:00 auchter just make sure they're gentoo disks ;)
02 17:35:00 Morasique i'm remote desktoped over my 56k connection. it's pretty interesting
02 17:47:00 auchter Morasique: when i got limited to 56k freshman year, i just ssh -D'd into addiator.
02 17:48:00 Morasique addiator limits you the same way i thought
02 17:48:00 Morasique i thought i tried once
02 17:48:00 Morasique oh, no, i tried to see if it monitors your bandwidth usage, and it does. i would think it limits you too though
02 17:50:00 auchter how does it manage that?
02 17:50:00 auchter i'm positive that it didn't last time i tried.
02 17:55:00 auchter Morasique: before 20MB downloaded: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-02_21:49:27_1920x1200.png after: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-02_21:51:11_1920x1200.png
02 17:58:00 auchter in fact, i don't know how they would even keep track of it
02 18:05:00 Morasique i swear it used to, i wget-ed a 50mb file on addiator and it showed up before
02 18:06:00 Morasique i don't know how they do it, i'm not sure how they do normal bandwidth monitoring
02 18:08:00 andy753421 um, they monitor it but by hand
02 18:08:00 tommost So is everyone okay with that poster?
02 18:09:00 andy753421 freshman winter break I used netcat to forward ssh from my house to my server at school via addiator and got an e-mail from some guy asking why I was running netcat and addiator was using ~5Gb of bandwidth
02 18:09:00 andy753421 actually i guess that was sliderule back then
02 18:09:00 andy753421 poster looks fine
02 18:10:00 andy753421 did you change the font? so it's not using funny characters?
02 18:10:00 tommost No funny characters, no.
02 18:10:00 andy753421 ok
02 18:16:00 tommost So I just e-mail this to Gary Burgess?
02 18:40:00 auchter tommost: yeah, i think so, according to this: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~watt/rh330/myerspr.htm
02 18:40:00 auchter looks like they want postscript
02 18:40:00 tommost Yeah, I'm working on getting a nonbroken PS file.
02 18:44:00 auchter should we put lug.rose-hulman.edu on the poster?
02 19:16:00 tommost auchter: Good idea.
02 19:44:00 Morasique they take anything they can open, i send them a publisher file last year
02 19:44:00 Morasique they have it set up as a normal printer
02 20:18:00 dpick how do i connect to the rose printers?
02 20:20:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Cups
02 20:23:00 Morasique i was quite misusing the "force user" samba configuration option. i should read documentation
02 20:29:00 dpick morasique: its asking me for a user/pass when i add the printer and my kerberos stuff doesn't work
02 20:30:00 andy753421 dpick: that's you're username/password on linux
02 20:30:00 Morasique er. what command are you running?
02 20:30:00 Morasique you're printing directly, so you should never need your kerberos password
02 20:30:00 dpick ahh, thanks andy753421
02 20:34:00 dpick if i have comp arch with chidanan, do i need any windows programs?
02 20:35:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Course_List#CSSE232_-_Computer_Architecture_I
02 20:35:00 dpick morasique: i read that, but i heard it depended on your prof
02 20:35:00 Morasique i don't think she uses dyknow; everybody uses cadence and xilinx though
02 20:36:00 Morasique i think there's a linux version of cadence, i'm not sure about xilinx
02 20:36:00 andy753421 you can use geda if you want to
02 20:36:00 andy753421 xilinx has a linux version, cadence does not
02 20:36:00 andy753421 well, it does but we don't have a license for it
02 20:36:00 dpick would it be easier than virtualising windows?
02 20:37:00 Morasique the main disadvantage would be you'd have to learn it yourself
02 20:37:00 andy753421 dpick: using the linux version of xilinx will be the easiest
02 20:37:00 andy753421 the new versions do simulation as well so you don't really need cadence
02 20:37:00 dpick andy753421: wouldn't i still need cadence though?
02 20:39:00 andy753421 dpick: when I took it cadence was only used for simulation so you might not need it
02 20:42:00 dpick alright, maybe i'll just switch back to windows, this getting to be a big pain
02 20:43:00 andy753421 using linux for comparch?
02 20:43:00 dpick getting linux to work with rose's stuff
02 20:44:00 andy753421 yea, some of it is a pain
02 20:44:00 auchter dpick: i took comparch with purely linux
02 20:44:00 auchter there's linux cadence and linux xilinx
02 20:44:00 auchter cadence is installed on addiator as well
02 20:44:00 andy753421 although, for comparch xilinx simulation was actually way better than cadence
02 20:44:00 dpick i can't get tibia working either
02 20:44:00 andy753421 and geda was better than that :)
02 20:44:00 auchter andy753421: really? i hated xilinx and actually didn't use it
02 20:45:00 auchter i only used cadence
02 20:45:00 andy753421 auchter: did you use cadence for writing the actual code, and what about the compiling?
02 20:45:00 auchter andy753421: i wrote code in vim, simulated on cadence, and we actually never ran our code on an FPGA (larry...)
02 20:46:00 auchter dpick: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Cadence_IUS
02 20:46:00 andy753421 auchter: alright, i used vim for writing and xilinx for simulation mostly as well
02 20:46:00 andy753421 the xilinx simulation seemed simpler to me (less buttons to click and such)
02 20:46:00 andy753421 although, gtkwave++
02 20:47:00 auchter andy753421: with that makefile, i typed "make sim" and a window popped up, ran my code for 10000 units, and showed me all the signals i cared about ;)
02 20:48:00 auchter none of that crazy "click the airplane!" and "click the paperclip!" stuff, haha
02 20:48:00 andy753421 haha, i remember that
02 20:49:00 auchter back to packing...
02 23:24:00 andy753421 has anyone ever configured cups as a print server so that the printer shows up when other computers search for printers?
02 23:29:00 auchter andy753421: once, but it was a long time ago
02 23:30:00 andy753421 auchter: do you remember what you had to do? (and was it on the rose network?)
02 23:32:00 auchter it was on my own network, and i thought it consisted of just setting one option in cupsd.conf
02 23:34:00 andy753421 hm.. ok
02 23:34:00 andy753421 print server seem way to complicated
02 23:46:00 Morasique auchter: way to take down the iait hating from the wiki :)
02 23:47:00 auchter Morasique: well, they were being rather helpful for the past year, and at least trying to get public key login going
02 23:47:00 Morasique it's a trick. an evil trick
02 23:47:00 auchter they've still failed at it though
03 00:16:00 Morasique tommost: http://pastebin.com/m626e5620
03 00:18:00 tommost Morasique: die() is broken; you don't import exit().
03 00:19:00 Morasique er. since when do you have to import exit
03 00:19:00 tommost Since always?
03 00:19:00 Morasique i've never imported it, it works fine
03 00:19:00 Morasique if i open a python shell and type exit(1) it works
03 00:20:00 tommost That's because it's an interactive shell.
03 00:20:00 Morasique well, it works in the script too, i've tripped my rate limit testing it
03 00:20:00 tommost Wow.
03 00:20:00 Morasique what do you import it from? sys?
03 00:20:00 tommost Yeah.
03 00:20:00 Morasique hmm
03 00:21:00 tommost I'm confused, since it's not here: http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html
03 00:47:00 andy753421 i bet Morasique's python is from the future...
03 02:30:00 Morasique wow. i've never heard of this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001167.html
03 02:39:00 tommost It amazes me that he was stupid enough to write an HTML sanitizer using simple regular expression replacements. That's practically guaranteed to fail.
03 02:40:00 Morasique all homegrown html sanitizers fail, there's so many ways to trick them
03 02:40:00 Morasique adding null characters beats most of them
03 02:41:00 tommost I've never heard of that particular attack.
03 02:41:00 andy753421 does s/<[^>]*>//g not work? (assuming [^>] matches newlines?)
03 02:42:00 tommost Maybe, but that's not really what we're talking about.
03 02:42:00 tommost You use a sanitizer when you want to allow a small subset of HTML.
03 02:42:00 andy753421 oh, that's what I assume a html sanatizer is
03 02:43:00 tommost Nah, why strip tags? You can just escape it all, and then you won't confuse people so much.
03 02:43:00 andy753421 perhaps
03 02:45:00 tommost It drives me crazy when web developers set up their comment forms to strip tags—how are you supposed to talk about HTML? They generally want you to escape it, but why should you need to when you can't write HTML anyway?
03 02:46:00 andy753421 < ?
03 02:46:00 Morasique that gets old fast
03 02:46:00 tommost Very fast.
03 02:46:00 andy753421 i guess it's a good things I don't post on web development forums anymore :)
03 02:47:00 tommost Oh, I was talking about blogs.
03 02:47:00 tommost Forums usually use that BBCode stuff, right?
03 02:47:00 Morasique there's lots of stuff like that, i'm not really a fan of any of them
03 02:47:00 Morasique markdown is the same idea
03 02:48:00 tommost Markdown is the best one I've found for HTML-only output.
03 02:48:00 tommost I also like reStructuredText.
03 02:48:00 tommost But it uses indentation for some things, so it isn't very suited to the pathetic text editor a browser provides.
03 02:49:00 tommost It amazes me that nobody has created a plugin that replaces all <textarea>s with an embedded vim or emacs.
03 02:51:00 andy753421 tommost there's a plugin where you can click a button and it pops out a vim with the text
03 02:51:00 tommost Yeah, I have that one, but it really sucks.
03 02:51:00 andy753421 yea..
03 02:51:00 Morasique http://www.mrozekma.com/recent_entries.png
03 02:52:00 tommost Heh, you'd think that they would have learned something from Safari. :)
03 02:52:00 Morasique i think it's the same bug, it looks like they just used an older version of webkit
03 02:52:00 Morasique that bug just got patched like a month ago
03 02:53:00 tommost Speaking of WebKit, did you ever find a stable rev, andy753421?
03 02:54:00 andy753421 tommost: nope, they all segfault
03 02:55:00 tommost How is anyone supposed to use this thing if they don't have releases and they don't keep the trunk stable?
03 02:55:00 andy753421 anyone looked at the chromium source code to see if it uses the gtk+ port?
03 02:55:00 andy753421 tommost: um, it's still in development?
03 02:55:00 jboticsource yea is that out?
03 02:55:00 tommost is confused
03 02:55:00 tommost Did you mean Chrome?
03 02:56:00 tommost Chromium is very different.
03 02:56:00 jboticsource http://code.google.com/chromium/
03 02:56:00 tommost They totally ripped off http://chromium.sourceforge.net/
03 02:57:00 Morasique well, since chromium doesn't have 'source code' really i'd say he probably meant chrome. supposedly they're working on linux and mac versions
03 02:57:00 tommost Couldn't Google at least Google the name before using it?
03 03:04:00 jboticsource or SEARCH the name that they want to use
03 03:05:00 Morasique er. or that
03 03:05:00 tommost sighs
03 03:05:00 Morasique tommost++
03 03:29:00 andy753421 i've come to the conclusion that any protocol that includes the work 'simple' is far from it
03 03:29:00 tommost SOAP?
03 03:30:00 andy753421 never used soap, but i was referring to snmp
03 03:30:00 tommost Does that have XML?
03 03:31:00 andy753421 i highly doubt it
03 03:32:00 tommost Then SOAP is automatically worse. ;)
03 11:51:00 collinjc Should I try to dump off some of the Ubuntu discs I have tonight at the activities fair or save that for installfest?
03 12:08:00 Morasique auchter was opposed: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#line-391
03 13:34:00 Blazeix Does anyone know of a way to tell if a remote system is recognizing a PS/2 keyboard?
03 13:58:00 Morasique if it gets past the bios i would say yes
03 14:45:00 collinj1 Morasique: Well, I already have them, so I guess I'll just bring them for the hell of it. I'd like to get rid of some.
03 14:45:00 collinj1 7 in the SRC, correct?
03 14:49:00 collinj1 Speaking of CDs... --Looks at tommost--
03 14:55:00 tommost feels guilty
03 15:01:00 collinj1 Haha! Just get it back to me at one of the meetings. I have a server which unexpectedly crashed.
03 15:09:00 tommost No problem.
03 15:18:00 tommost Apparently fair setup is at 6:30, not 7:00.
03 15:19:00 tommost Also, does anyone have a books for Honors Chem or Comp Arc that they would lend/rent/sell me?
03 15:29:00 Morasique i should get textbooks probably. i've been ignoring that
03 15:34:00 tommost Our poster is now printing.
03 15:53:00 Morasique i really hate my work's webmail. the cookie times out after three minutes. not three minutes of inactivity, three minutes. if i have a few dozen e-mails, or god forbid i need to reply to one, i have to keep relogging in
03 16:18:00 Morasique anybody know if the linux VMs on phantom are supposed to support kerberos logins? i thought they used to, but mine isn't working
03 16:34:00 auchter Morasique: they never got it working
03 16:35:00 Morasique brilliant
03 16:35:00 auchter tommost: if you had said something about 8 hours ago about the books, i would have brought my comparch book
03 16:35:00 tommost :(
03 16:35:00 Morasique i have the chem honors book, but it's about 7 hours away
03 16:35:00 tommost :'(
03 16:40:00 Morasique awesome. the networking still doesn't work in the VMs
03 16:49:00 jboticsource http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html?open
03 16:56:00 tommost I have the poster. $12
03 16:57:00 Morasique score
03 16:59:00 Morasique i should go back to my room, but the internet in here is crazy fast
03 17:00:00 tommost Wow, Glenda is huge.
03 17:01:00 tommost She'd look really awesome embroidered.
03 17:04:00 auchter ooh, awesome idea
03 17:17:00 Morasique nice: http://neil.fraser.name/news/2008/06/29/
03 17:26:00 tommost His JavaScript BMP library is cooler.
03 17:27:00 Morasique that seems fairly simple to do
03 17:27:00 tommost Yup.
03 17:28:00 tommost Whoa... it's raining.
03 17:29:00 Morasique damn it, i thought it sounded like rain
03 17:29:00 Morasique i was really hoping i was wrong
03 17:29:00 tommost I'm glad. It was far too humid.
03 17:29:00 collinj2 Personally, I think it is about time we get some rain.
03 17:29:00 Morasique personally, i wish it hadn't started raining the first time i've been away from my room in like a week
03 17:29:00 collinj2 I'm a bit saddened that it will remove the face that I drew on the dirt on the hood of my car, however.
03 17:40:00 Morasique Blazeix: http://trey-jackson.blogspot.com/2008/09/web-interface-is-morphing-into-emacs.html
03 17:49:00 Morasique somebody who knows awk well should give a presentation on it, i don't think we've done that
03 17:49:00 Morasique the only thing i ever use awk for is printing certain fields
03 18:21:00 Morasique :D if you enter the konami code in google reader you get a ninja background
03 18:26:00 Morasique ]
03 18:26:00 Morasique er. ignore that
03 18:32:00 collinj2 What time do we need to be down there to claim a couple tables?
03 18:37:00 tommost 6:30
03 18:37:00 tommost We're headed down now.
03 20:38:00 octavious good work team
03 20:38:00 Mishtal there wasnt all that much to it
03 20:42:00 Morasique well, holding the sign took effort :)
03 20:43:00 Morasique and we had to talk to girls several times, that was uncharted territory
03 20:56:00 octavious alot of the questions i got were very specific
03 20:56:00 Morasique about linux?
03 20:56:00 octavious about specific problems people were having. makes me think we need some sort of forum.
03 20:57:00 Morasique generally people just use the channel, but that's not a bad idea
03 20:57:00 octavious well, i suggested the channel, but i dont believe most people use IRC.
03 20:59:00 Morasique that's true
03 21:38:00 Morasique i can't figure out why xpra doesn't work anymore, it definitely did over the summer
03 22:34:00 andy753421 $ time /bin/false # real 0m0.002s
03 22:34:00 andy753421 why the hell is everyone complaining about about spawning multiple processes/threads being slow?
03 23:04:00 Morasique where did that come from?
03 23:05:00 andy753421 the latest slashdot story
03 23:07:00 Morasique oh. i pretty much stopped reading slashdot. are they talking about windows? i think process creation is much slower on windows
03 23:08:00 andy753421 it's about chrome so maybe
03 23:09:00 Morasique the benefits outweigh the slowness, i've never understood why all browsers don't use separate processes for each tab
03 23:09:00 auchter tommost: you have a flash drive that should eventually be in my possession
03 23:10:00 tommost auchter, andy753421: You have $22 that should eventually be in my possession.
03 23:10:00 andy753421 not with me
03 23:10:00 andy753421 but i'll get it to you within a week or so
03 23:11:00 tommost Okay. I'll bring them to the LUG meeting.
03 23:11:00 tommost Who's presenting?
03 23:11:00 auchter good question. probably too early to have an actual presentation
03 23:12:00 auchter any takers for a presentation next week?
03 23:12:00 auchter i know Morasique wanted one on awk, if anyone knows it well enough
03 23:12:00 tommost I'm committed to do one on Greasemonkey.
03 23:13:00 auchter i'll do one on 9P at some point
03 23:14:00 andy753421 i can talk about awk for a few minutes
03 23:14:00 andy753421 but I think most of the meeting will be planning and such anyway
03 23:14:00 Morasique we wanted to have an installfest asap, so we'll probably talk about that
03 23:15:00 tommost <subliminal>Dorm wireless networks</subliminal>
03 23:15:00 Morasique what about them?
03 23:15:00 Morasique i'm sure you've mentioned it before, i just don't remember
03 23:15:00 tommost The LUG should run them.
03 23:16:00 Morasique oh. why? there's networks everywhere already
03 23:16:00 tommost There are too many—the take up all of the spectrum, making throughput pathetic.
03 23:16:00 Morasique so you want to convince people to stop running them?
03 23:17:00 tommost Yes. I doubt most people would bother if there were already one there.
03 23:18:00 Morasique i suppose we could do that once we had aps running. we'd need a lot of them though
03 23:19:00 Morasique and as andy753421 pointed out, we don't have the money for t-shirts let alone access points
03 23:19:00 tommost Mmm.
03 23:25:00 Morasique auchter: did you e-mail Blazeix the list? he should probably e-mail people as soon as possible since we're meeting in ~18 hours
03 23:26:00 auchter Morasique: thanks for the reminder, i just sent it
03 23:26:00 Blazeix got it, I'll add them to the list and send an email
03 23:28:00 tommost http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/archives/2008/09/tracemonkey_update.html
03 23:29:00 Morasique i have no idea what v8 or tracemonkey are
03 23:30:00 tommost V8: JavaScript VM in Google's Chrome. TraceMonkey: JIT tracing additions to Mozilla's Spidermonkey JavaScript interpreter, to be in Firefox 3.1.
03 23:32:00 Blazeix The CS lab that we meet in is F225, right?
03 23:32:00 auchter Blazeix: yep
03 23:33:00 Morasique tommost: ah. well, suck it google
03 23:35:00 auchter again with the non-standard date formats...
03 23:36:00 Morasique :D did you just criticize your own topic?
03 23:36:00 auchter no, my topic uses a standard (and sane, i might add) date format
03 23:36:00 auchter the email just sent out does not
03 23:38:00 Morasique oh, i didn't notice the e-mail. bad Blazeix!
03 23:39:00 Blazeix Every reminder email I send out now will have a differently formatted date.
03 23:40:00 Blazeix I'll have to get creative later on, I think.
03 23:40:00 auchter the ISO standard actually does specify some weird ones
03 23:40:00 tommost Blazeix: ASCII art is where you'll eventually end up.
03 23:41:00 Morasique Blazeix: did you add the mailman footer or does it do that automatically?
03 23:41:00 Blazeix I'll embed the date in animated gifs
03 23:41:00 tommost It does that automatically.
03 23:41:00 Blazeix It adds that automatically, but I turned the option on
03 23:41:00 Morasique heck yes. full page graphics is where it's at
03 23:41:00 Morasique ah
03 23:42:00 auchter a quick google will reveal rr72's name, and he's not on the LUG list surprisingly
03 23:44:00 tommost Someone should forward it to him.
03 23:44:00 Morasique tommost--
03 23:45:00 tommost Aw, now I'm at zero.
03 23:45:00 Morasique tommost++
03 23:45:00 tommost :D
03 23:45:00 Morasique actually, it shows you at zero now
03 23:46:00 tommost :(
03 23:47:00 Morasique sorry, i already gave you your pity point for the day
03 23:47:00 tommost Well, I forwarded it to him. ;)
03 23:47:00 Morasique you're a terrible person
03 23:48:00 auchter well, i'm rather intrigued
03 23:49:00 Morasique i forgot, i intended to get 1x set up sometime before classes start
03 23:49:00 Morasique fail
03 23:49:00 andy753421 Morasique: um, it's not really hard at all
03 23:49:00 andy753421 well, maybe if you try to use one of htose crazy GUI things
03 23:50:00 Morasique ok, good. i haven't done it in about a year when i failed on ubuntu
03 23:50:00 tommost Is it your laptops that have the world-of-fail wireless chipset?
03 23:50:00 Morasique yeah
03 23:50:00 Morasique broadcom
03 23:50:00 Morasique my laptop has developed the oddest problem where it can't get an ip if it's directly plugged into the wall, so if it keeps doing that in the classrooms i really need wireless to work
03 23:51:00 auchter the b43 drivers work well for me
03 23:51:00 Morasique they work well for everything except the rose networks for me
03 23:51:00 Morasique but i haven't tried on gentoo yet
03 23:51:00 auchter i need to get 1x working as well
03 23:52:00 andy753421 the b43 in the past few kernel releases have been fantastic
03 23:53:00 auchter i've had some issues with it reporting an access point 15cm away from me as being out of range and dropping my connection, but i haven't actually determined if that was the network card's fault or the AP's fault
03 23:53:00 andy753421 ah, does 802.11 have a minimum range?
03 23:54:00 Morasique i don't think so
03 23:54:00 Morasique i sit next to access points all the time
03 23:55:00 auchter this made me laugh, from the RHIT-1X wiki page: ``AES encryption standard''
03 23:55:00 tommost Hehe.
03 23:56:00 andy753421 auchter: hey shut the hell up, i think i wrote that :/
03 23:56:00 andy753421 (goes to check)
03 23:56:00 auchter haha, it's fine, and probably good for people who haven't heard of the Advanced Encryption Standard
03 23:57:00 andy753421 nope, it was fuqua (on the first edit)
03 23:57:00 Morasique good, insulting Blazeix is fine by all
03 23:57:00 Morasique tangent: are we getting pizza tomorrow? somebody is asking me :)
03 23:57:00 andy753421 which means myself, josh, will, tom, and some other guy who didn't log in have all edited the page since then and not changed it :)
03 23:57:00 andy753421 Morasique: only if you're paying
03 23:58:00 Morasique that sounds unhappy
03 23:59:00 Blazeix hmm, and i'm pretty sure I copied the description of rhit-1x from iaits web page on it
03 23:59:00 Morasique never a good idea
03 23:59:00 Blazeix although, I can't find the page at the moment to substantiate my outlandish claims
04 00:00:00 auchter Blazeix: you're not alone: `` Results 1 - 10 of about 13,400 for "AES encryption standard". (0.31 seconds) ''
04 00:01:00 andy753421 they posted something close in the 2007-08 kernel `with AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) encryption'
04 00:02:00 auchter well, that's not as bad
04 00:41:00 auchter also, does anyone know much about FUSE? i'd be interested in learning more about that (actual implementation of a new filesystem)
04 00:42:00 andy753421 I did a tutorial in it using ruby once
04 00:42:00 andy753421 that was a long time ago though
04 00:44:00 Morasique there's a list of ideas here i forgot about: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Presentations
04 00:44:00 Morasique i added the ones we mentioned recently
04 00:44:00 andy753421 auchter: screw userspace, read though this instead: http://www.faqs.org/docs/kernel/
04 00:48:00 auchter i read the first 5 chapters of that linux device drivers book this summer, then i apparently forgot about it until now
04 00:48:00 andy753421 eh, those were the interesting chapters anyway
04 00:49:00 andy753421 i think i skipped most of the end, at that point in time I was mostly interested in system calls
04 00:50:00 auchter i was interested in writing a driver for the smart card reader in the nw8440
04 01:29:00 andy753421 speaking of drivers, i want to write a bcm47xx driver for plan 9 but I don't think i have the time to start that project at the moment :/
04 08:47:00 Morasique any idea why my wireless only works once when i boot? it does this with all APs, once i've connected if i disconnect and try to reconnect again dhcpcd times out
04 09:44:00 Morasique apparently nobody can log on to the mac in 225. people are very concerned
04 09:45:00 andy753421 the one over here is working..
04 09:46:00 andy753421 (F217
04 09:46:00 andy753421 )
04 09:49:00 Morasique well, don't tell anybody
04 10:32:00 povilusr_eeepc anyone know how to install virtualbox kernel modules on the eeepc linux kernel?
04 10:32:00 Morasique is it different from other machines?
04 10:33:00 Morasique virtualbox did it for me automatically on ubuntu and gentoo, i just had to modprobe them
04 10:33:00 povilusr_eeepc yah it has a custom kernal
04 10:33:00 Morasique does virtualbox not do it for you then? it should work with any kernel i would think
04 10:33:00 povilusr_eeepc dunno
04 10:33:00 Morasique try sudo modprobe virtualbox and see if it works
04 10:33:00 povilusr_eeepc i says it needs vitualox-ose-modules
04 10:33:00 Morasique hmm
04 10:34:00 Morasique i'm not sure what those are
04 10:34:00 Morasique oh, it's the ubuntu name for it. did you try apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules?
04 10:35:00 povilusr_eeepc they are all kernel specific
04 10:35:00 povilusr_eeepc none of them are .21 nor are they eeepc
04 10:36:00 Morasique oh, right
04 10:36:00 povilusr_eeepc is there a source package for that sort of thing or is thre something else i have to do
04 10:37:00 Morasique you could build it manually, i don't know if the source is in apt but you could just download it from virtualbox's website
04 10:37:00 Morasique i don't remember the command to try getting it from apt, i think it's apt-get source or something like that
04 10:37:00 Morasique eeeuser.com recommends using the closed version instead of the ose
04 10:38:00 povilusr_eeepc ah
04 11:03:00 auchter didn't someone say MSDNAA access was only given when you're enrolled in a CS class?
04 11:04:00 auchter oh, apparently i only have restricted access to it.
04 11:05:00 auchter actually it looks like i have full access to it.
04 11:05:00 auchter i'm sad that i'll need this for pspice...
04 11:25:00 povilusr_eeepc you get it for cs or ee i think
04 11:25:00 povilusr_eeepc ha ha
04 11:25:00 povilusr_eeepc what class?
04 11:26:00 povilusr_eeepc 250?
04 11:26:00 povilusr_eeepc anyone got orcad 16?
04 11:30:00 octavious someone presenting at the LUG tonight?
04 11:31:00 Morasique i think andy753421 might be talking about awk for a few minutes, but i'm not sure
04 11:32:00 auchter yeah, that's probably the extent of the interesting presentations tonight
04 11:32:00 auchter we probably should talk about what we're going to do this year (installfest, etc.)
04 11:34:00 auchter povilusr_eeepc: yeah, 250. i can already tell how much i'm going to love it
04 11:35:00 collinj1 auchter: Just wait until Halloween. That's when things really get interesting.
04 12:03:00 hollanbm_ so whose done with classes today?
04 12:04:00 auchter looks at his schedule with disdain
04 12:05:00 hollanbm_ lol
04 12:07:00 MrBucket101 i've got one more then im free
04 12:07:00 Morasique auchter: way to have a schedule that blows
04 12:12:00 povilusr_eeepc computer grapics almost lookis like its gunna be interesting
04 12:12:00 povilusr_eeepc anyone in it?
04 12:12:00 povilusr_eeepc how do i get the windo manager to do it thing
04 12:14:00 povilusr_eeepc its not windowing stuff
04 12:14:00 auchter povilusr_eeepc: what?
04 12:14:00 povilusr_eeepc https://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse351/examplePrograms/testline.c
04 12:15:00 povilusr_eeepc has no windo manager stuff, menues, the x at the top mostly
04 12:15:00 MrBucket101 anybody here happen to have a copy of Norton Ghost???
04 12:17:00 povilusr_eeepc what for?
04 12:17:00 povilusr_eeepc will gparted replace it for what you need it for?
04 12:19:00 MrBucket101 well, my XP install is kinda messed up...i used virtualbox to make a virtual copy of my HD, and then i booted up my XP install inside the VM, and so now i cant run my XP natively, only inside a VM...whenever it boots it just hangs before the log-in screen
04 12:20:00 MrBucket101 so i was just going to get my computer re-imaged, and then make an image of my XP install so i can reimage the drive myself and not need to re-do my linux install
04 12:21:00 MrBucket101 and partimage, doesn't have any NTFS support so i thought i might try ghost
04 12:22:00 povilusr_eeepc gparted did that i thought
04 12:23:00 MrBucket101 im not trying to copy the partition, im trying to make an image of it
04 12:25:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah, you should be abl to image it to a network drive? i think. what are you trying to image it to
04 12:26:00 MrBucket101 my external
04 12:27:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah that should work i think, dunno
04 12:27:00 MrBucket101 i dont even see any options in the GUI, to do that
04 12:28:00 MrBucket101 (sigh) i have to go to class
04 12:30:00 tommost hollanbm_: I'm done.
04 13:54:00 tommost Morasique: Have you found a way to get messages from awesome when you make syntax errors in .awesomerc?
04 13:56:00 Morasique you mean how to find out that it's wrong? you could use awesome -k
04 13:56:00 tommost Awesome! ;)
04 13:57:00 Morasique i have a bad habit of not checking, reloading my configuration and killing X
04 13:57:00 tommost Really? For me it just uses a default config where I don't seem to be able to run awesome-menu to open Pidgin to ask you this question. :D
04 13:58:00 Morasique hmm. if mine is bad awesome just closes, so then X closes
04 14:01:00 Morasique i just got my "
04 14:01:00 Morasique welcome back to msdnaa" e-mail. it has my password in plaintext
04 14:02:00 tommost Me too.
04 14:02:00 Morasique next time i think to myself "who would be stupid enough to store passwords in plaintext?", i'll remember, "oh yeah. microsoft"
04 14:03:00 tommost Did you set that password yourself? Because mine doesn't look familiar to me.
04 14:03:00 tommost They may just autogenerate them.
04 14:03:00 Morasique they issued them but you can change them
04 14:03:00 Morasique mine is what i changed it to
04 14:03:00 tommost Microsoft--
04 14:03:00 Morasique indeed
04 14:04:00 tommost I wish there were a way to give windows titlebars in Awesome.
04 14:07:00 Morasique it's called "titlebar"
04 14:08:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/User:MoraSique/.awesomerc
04 14:08:00 tommost Oh, I was wondering what that did. I assumed it had to do with the stuff at the bottom of your screen.
04 14:09:00 Morasique no, that's "tasklist"
04 14:10:00 tommost I suspect that I'm far too tired to be doing anything computer-related right now. The Percopo fire alarm went off at 4:30 and I had to get up at 5:30 for SRC orientation—I got little sleep.
04 14:10:00 Morasique what set off the fire alarm?
04 14:11:00 tommost No idea.
04 14:11:00 Morasique odd
04 14:11:00 tommost Given that it was 4:30, the usual suspect—a drunk person—seems unlikely.
04 14:23:00 auchter anyone have an ECE250 or ECE300 book they want to get rid of, or let me borrow for a quarter?
04 14:25:00 auchter ``Solution: No Problem was found with current power supply.'' gee, thanks IAIT
04 14:25:00 Morasique that's their new favorite solution
04 14:25:00 tommost What's wrong with it?
04 14:25:00 Morasique well, not new
04 14:27:00 auchter the cord is broken where it connects to the coaxial plug
04 14:27:00 auchter if it's not in the correct position, it doesn't let power through
04 14:54:00 Morasique we're talking in AI about how stupid people can be. the urge to share laptop orientation stories is overpowering
04 14:54:00 tommost Do it.
04 15:10:00 Morasique wow, i was on the bad side of the netsplit. i think that's the first time
04 15:16:00 auchter good, after demonstrating my problem, my power supply was promptly replaced
04 15:30:00 Morasique the guy on the couch in 225 is talking about how it'd be interesting if you could tell what OS a person is running when they visit a webpage
04 15:33:00 tommost Failure.
04 15:34:00 Morasique he also asked if facebook runs on linux
04 15:34:00 tommost It's either Linux or BSD, right?
04 15:35:00 Morasique i'm too used to typing on a keyboard with fn between ctrl and super, i'm sucking on the dock keyboards
04 15:36:00 tommost That affects your typ... oh, emacs.
04 15:36:00 Morasique actually i keep messing up my awesome shortcuts, they all use super
04 15:37:00 tommost I feel your pain. I actually want to remap most of those, myself.
04 15:38:00 tommost Especially the ones that combine 3 modifier keys.
04 15:38:00 Morasique i got used to them, and it's not a problem hitting them (i am an emacs user after all), but now i'm used to the position my hand makes hitting them on my laptop and it's different on normal keyboards
04 15:38:00 Morasique i use my thumb and pinky to do it, which works well when they're the expected distance apart, and not when they're right next to each other
04 15:43:00 Morasique collinjc_server was hacking the cs department
04 15:46:00 collinjc Morasique: I claim no responsibility. And neither does collinjc_server.
04 15:47:00 Morasique well, daryl says it was you, and i trust his technical expertise
04 15:47:00 collinjc auchter: What's the title of the 250 book?
04 15:57:00 auchter collinjc: Microelectronic Circuits
04 15:58:00 collinjc I'll see if I've got that at my apartment. If so, you are free to borrow it.
04 15:58:00 auchter that'd be great
04 16:01:00 collinjc That doesn't happen to be Sedra and Smith does it?
04 16:01:00 collinjc If so, that book carries over to analog this quarter.
04 16:02:00 auchter yeah, it is, sadly
04 16:02:00 collinjc Well, if you can't find anyone, let me know. I may know a couple of people who I took 250 with who are not taking analog this quarter.
04 16:03:00 auchter well, i'll likely end up buying it at the bookstore if i don't find one today or tomorrow
04 16:05:00 collinjc I actually don't recall using it too much in Herniter's class. He tends to stick more to his notes than anything else.
04 16:05:00 collinjc Though the book serves as a decent reference when those notes don't make sense.
04 16:08:00 collinjc I believe the notes are available in the bookstore as well. Sadly, however, when I purchased them, I was unaware that they were available for download at http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~herniter/Rose_Classes/ECE250/notes/ECE250%20Lecture%20Notes%20Complete.pdf . What sucks about them though is that they are handwritten, and thus impossible to grep through.
04 16:08:00 Morasique you should take one for the team and retype them all
04 16:09:00 Morasique hey, there's an official channel lineup after all, hayes just sent it out5
04 16:09:00 Morasique s/5//
04 16:09:00 collinjc 523 pages? I think not. I've done my time. I pass that torch on to the new generation of ECE250.
04 16:33:00 auchter pizza?
04 16:45:00 Morasique yes
04 16:49:00 Morasique i can hear the girl behind me trying to connect to this channel. so if somebody shows up, it's her
04 16:58:00 Morasique you all suck at pizza-related decision making
04 16:58:00 tommost Well, I'm going to dinner right before the meeting.
04 16:58:00 Morasique you know the meeting is in 15 minutes
04 16:59:00 tommost I'm opposed to pizza on the grounds that it will make me feel like the food I'm now leaving to eat is sucky.
04 16:59:00 Morasique deal
04 17:52:00 jboticsource seems that i slept through the meeting
04 17:56:00 octavious way to go
04 17:57:00 octavious even i went haha
04 19:03:00 TBoneULS cody: looks like we might have a 250 book you can borrow
04 19:15:00 auchter TBoneULS: that was me, and that'd be awesome
04 19:22:00 TBoneULS that was you?
04 19:22:00 TBoneULS i was confused
04 20:06:00 Morasique wow, it's TBoneULS
04 20:17:00 Morasique ooo. new person
04 20:18:00 andy753421 Morasique: good job scaring him off
04 20:18:00 cgiirc523 hello
04 20:18:00 mcarberry ah
04 20:18:00 Morasique andy753421: sorry :)
04 20:18:00 mcarberry there it is
04 20:18:00 octavious what up
04 20:19:00 mcarberry for some reason i can't get pidgin or xchat to connect to freenode.
04 20:19:00 mcarberry so i'm using the cgi client
04 20:19:00 Morasique on ubuntu?
04 20:19:00 octavious hmm.. does it give you an error or something?
04 20:19:00 mcarberry windows
04 20:19:00 mcarberry just "connection refused"
04 20:19:00 Morasique hmm. irc.freenode.net?
04 20:20:00 mcarberry yea,
04 20:20:00 andy753421 mcarberry: firewall?
04 20:20:00 Morasique evil windows firewall
04 20:20:00 Morasique evil evil
04 20:20:00 mcarberry 6660-6669 are forwarded through myrouther
04 20:20:00 mcarberry *router
04 20:20:00 Morasique if windows firewall is blocking them it still won't work
04 20:21:00 Morasique are you a freshman? it's on by default on the iait image
04 20:21:00 mcarberry =and it started it on the localmgr account
04 20:21:00 mcarberry and clicked allow
04 20:21:00 andy753421 mcarberry: that shouldn't matter, you connect from a random high number port
04 20:21:00 mcarberry when the windows firewall thing popped up
04 20:21:00 andy753421 i'd try killing the firewall for a few minutes and try connecting to see if that works
04 20:22:00 mcarberry one second
04 20:22:00 andy753421 then you can turn it back on afterwards
04 20:22:00 Morasique or leave it off forever
04 20:24:00 Morasique good sign?
04 20:25:00 octavious has anyone used chrome yet?
04 20:26:00 Morasique you should probably try the windows users group :)
04 20:26:00 Morasique i'm told it's good
04 20:27:00 carberry hey
04 20:27:00 carberry fixed
04 20:27:00 carberry well
04 20:27:00 carberry not really
04 20:27:00 carberry avoided
04 20:29:00 carberry well, maybe not, can you hear me?
04 20:29:00 kleinjt yes
04 20:29:00 carberry cool.
04 20:32:00 octavious welcome.
04 20:34:00 carberry thanks
04 20:34:00 carberry using bitchx
04 20:34:00 carberry for the first time. sorry. i shouldn't be breaking up things like that.
04 20:38:00 Morasique i hear bitchx is good; i've never tried it
04 20:41:00 kleinjt_eeepc haha, no I am escused of all typos
04 20:44:00 auchter kleinjt: is the 10" better in regard to typing? povilusr_eeepc's eeepc was rather painful to type on; i gave up after 5 minutes
04 20:45:00 Morasique you just need more flexible hands. i recommend using emacs for a while
04 20:45:00 kleinjt auchter: I don't have a problem with it, I'll bring it to the next robotics meeting or something if you want to try it
04 20:45:00 auchter kleinjt: yeah, definitely
04 20:46:00 kleinjt it works pretty well
04 20:46:00 kleinjt I'm using it because my room has no grounded outlets, which the HP needs...
04 20:47:00 auchter s/needs/"&"/
04 20:51:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah emacs for the win
04 20:51:00 collinjc auchter: The 10" has a keyboard which is actually quite comparable to a standard laptop.
04 20:51:00 auchter http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Presentations
04 20:52:00 povilusr_eeepc the 901 is just barley smaller
04 20:52:00 auchter nice typo
04 20:53:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah i dont know how to spell that
04 20:53:00 collinjc povilusr_eeepc: I don't know. It is about an inch and a half smaller horizontally and scaled appropriately vertically, which leads to a decent reduction in overall area. I do like the 901 for its size though.
04 20:54:00 collinjc Overall, however, I wanted something that wouldn't require getting used to for typing.
04 20:54:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah thats fair
04 20:54:00 povilusr_eeepc i pretty much like the fact that you can carry it in a cargo pants pocket
04 20:56:00 collinjc Yeah. I can't exactly say that about my 1000, and that disappoints me to an extent.
04 20:56:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah, how much those weigh
04 20:57:00 kleinjt auchter: I've tried playing with your regex using sed and I've failed at getting it to do anything interesting. mind explaining it?
04 20:57:00 collinjc 2lb, 15oz according to Wikipedia.
04 20:57:00 collinjc Compared to 2lb 8oz.
04 20:58:00 collinjc Which seems a bit shocking to me. I would imagine there is more of a difference there.
04 20:59:00 auchter kleinjt: it should work fine, but & refers to the entire match
04 20:59:00 auchter are you quoting the expression with single quotes?
04 21:00:00 kleinjt oh, no, it works now
04 21:01:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah me to
04 21:02:00 kleinjt to me weight wasn't much of an issue. I mostly got the eeepc for it's awesome battery life and near-ideal size for airplanes. I can use the eeepc and a trackball mouse on a tray table.
04 21:03:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah, i like it for class though i think i can bring just it
04 21:03:00 povilusr_eeepc that would e cool
04 21:18:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure was....*IT* keeps crashing my desktop
04 21:19:00 auchter eh?
04 21:19:00 Morasique whispers: waste
04 21:20:00 MrBucket101 your having probs with waste?
04 21:20:00 Morasique i think it's waste, since i started running it yesterday my desktop has frozen three times
04 21:21:00 MrBucket101 are you running it natively or under wine?
04 21:21:00 Morasique wine
04 21:21:00 MrBucket101 odd
04 21:21:00 Morasique yeah. i'm doing it through vnc, that might be causing it too. i'm not sure
04 21:22:00 MrBucket101 i havn't had one problem with waste, other than my external changing names and waste not knowing
04 21:22:00 MrBucket101 (im under wine)
04 21:22:00 Blazeix Morasique: Thats the same problem I had when I ran it under wine. It'd use more and more memory until it crashed.
04 21:22:00 Morasique Blazeix: well, it's not crashing so much as it is somehow taking my desktop down
04 21:22:00 Morasique suddenly i can't ssh anymore and i restart it
04 21:22:00 Blazeix nice
04 21:23:00 Morasique yeah. i should get unlazy and connect a monitor to watch it
04 21:23:00 Blazeix I think waste/wine would take out compiz on my machine sometimes.
04 21:23:00 Morasique i'm running metacity in vnc
04 21:23:00 MrBucket101 your both using gentoo correct?
04 21:24:00 Blazeix I'm using Arch.
04 21:24:00 Morasique i am
04 21:25:00 MrBucket101 hmm
04 21:25:00 MrBucket101 i've got nothing...sorry guys
04 21:25:00 Blazeix Running it natively worked well for me.
04 21:25:00 Morasique it segfaults when i try to run it natively
04 21:26:00 MrBucket101 lol why not run waste under a VM?
04 21:26:00 auchter windows under a VM is painful. it's just like the real thing
04 21:27:00 auchter (i just finished installing it, and i'm rather mad at it right now)
04 21:27:00 MrBucket101 haha i know...right now i can only use my windows install under VM
04 21:27:00 Morasique i shouldn't need to, making a windows vm just for waste is ridiculous
04 21:27:00 MrBucket101 why not make a ubuntu one?
04 21:28:00 Morasique virtualizing linux on linux to run a windows program is more ridiculous
04 21:28:00 auchter and stupid, i might add
04 21:28:00 MrBucket101 yea i know, but its so crazy it just might work
04 21:28:00 collinj1 No one wants all of that nasty Windows overhead when it isn't needed.
04 21:28:00 auchter glares at orcad
04 21:29:00 collinj1 Agreed.
04 21:29:00 collinj1 Are you installing the full version or the lite version?
04 21:29:00 auchter likely the full version
04 21:29:00 collinj1 From Tibia?
04 21:30:00 auchter i haven't gotten that far yet
04 21:30:00 Blazeix Has anyone tried orcad under wine?
04 21:30:00 Blazeix It has a bronze rating, but that was from a year ago.
04 21:30:00 collinj1 I suggested that auchter try it, but it doesn't look like that is happening.
04 21:30:00 MrBucket101 side note: does anyone know the server name for dyknow
04 21:31:00 Morasique dyknow.cs.rose-hulman.edu
04 21:31:00 auchter Blazeix: i've got lab tomorrow morning, so i just want to get something working tonight
04 21:31:00 MrBucket101 thx
04 21:31:00 auchter i'll mess with trying to get it working under wine later
04 21:32:00 collinj1 If it happens to work, I will be greatly relieved as that is currently my only reason for having that ridiculous virtual drive sitting on my laptop.
04 21:35:00 auchter orcad's only available through tibia?
04 21:36:00 collinj1 The smaller, more manageable version which is probably all you need in 250 is on the book's CD.
04 21:36:00 collinj1 Oh, wait... you don't have that. Hmm.
04 21:36:00 collinj1 Well, I'm nearby. Want to borrow it?
04 21:37:00 auchter sure
04 21:37:00 Zaszamonde you'll probably want the full version
04 21:37:00 collinj1 The small version has the added benefit of not requiring a network connection.
04 21:37:00 Zaszamonde the demo in the book can't handle a lot of parts
04 21:37:00 collinj1 Zaszamonde: In 250?
04 21:37:00 auchter eh, i guess i'll just head to campus
04 21:37:00 auchter i'll likely need it for future classes though
04 21:37:00 Zaszamonde collinj1: I think it maxes at two opamps
04 21:37:00 Zaszamonde collinj1:but don't quote me on the number
04 21:38:00 collinj1 It does. However, I don't recall that being an issue in 250.
04 21:38:00 collinj1 In fact, I know it isn't since it is covering diods, BJTs and MOSFETs.
04 21:38:00 Zaszamonde it's been a while, so I'm not too sure
04 21:38:00 Zaszamonde You're probably right on that
04 21:39:00 Zaszamonde But, if you take EDM, you'll probably want the full version anyway
04 21:39:00 auchter EDM? as in electronic device modelling? (ece250)
04 21:39:00 collinj1 Do you mean analog?
04 21:39:00 Zaszamonde errr, isn't 250 analog?
04 21:39:00 collinj1 No, that's 351.
04 21:39:00 Zaszamonde now i am confused.
04 21:40:00 collinj1 Analog is 351, EDM is 250.
04 21:40:00 Zaszamonde Ah, then you'll be fine.
04 21:40:00 auchter alright, glad that's sorted
04 21:52:00 collinj1 Ever since Sun acquired VirtualBox, it seems to have all gone to hell. I don't recall it having nearly as many problems before.
04 21:53:00 auchter it complained about me having KVM compiled into my kernel, so now i'm just using kvm
04 21:53:00 auchter i'm going to try to get scope capture working under linux (i don't think i need it for tomorrow) so i don't really need USB passthrough
04 22:01:00 auchter windows is telling me ``Your computer may be at risk''
04 22:03:00 collinj1 That's because Windows is self-aware and realizes that it is a risk in itself.
04 22:03:00 auchter that's terrifying
04 22:05:00 collinj1 Don't worry. When it crashes, it will forget everything.
04 22:07:00 collinj1 Oooh, rr72's facebook page.
04 22:08:00 carberry Who is rr72?
04 22:12:00 auchter hm, speaking of ece250 labs, does anyone here have the pspice book?
04 22:12:00 auchter not a good time to realize that i need it at 8:00 tomorrow...
04 22:14:00 collinj1 I've got that somewhere as well.
04 22:14:00 collinj1 carberry: We're not entirely sure.
04 22:15:00 auchter collinj1: that'd be excellent if i could borrow it for tomorrow morning
04 22:15:00 collinj1 Absolutely. Let me find it.
04 22:15:00 auchter great, thanks
04 22:28:00 Blazeix carberry: read the logs for rr72.
04 22:29:00 TBoneULS i have the pspice book
04 22:30:00 TBoneULS if someone else can't locate it
04 22:32:00 TBoneULS also, my full version of cadence never required a network connection
04 22:32:00 TBoneULS some liscensing thing crashed when it started though, so maybe that was why it didnt
04 22:33:00 collinj1 TBoneULS: Mine definitely does. I'm not as lucky with unwanted components crashing, I guess.
04 22:33:00 Blazeix tommost_aorist: I like your addition to the OOXML page on the wiki.
04 22:34:00 auchter begins burning CDs for a native windows install
04 22:35:00 auchter cringes
04 22:36:00 TBoneULS collinj1: i guess i just won then
04 22:36:00 Morasique auchter--
04 22:36:00 auchter ece250--
04 22:36:00 collinj1 TBoneULS: Indeed you did. I want your copy of cadence.
04 22:37:00 Blazeix So Zaszamonde wants a demonstration of karma
04 22:37:00 Blazeix Morasique--
04 22:37:00 Zaszamonde Fuck, now it's my fault?
04 22:37:00 auchter ooh, i'll help: Morasique--
04 22:38:00 Blazeix auchter++
04 22:38:00 Blazeix I think Zaszamonde has started something
04 22:38:00 auchter Blazeix++
04 22:38:00 Zaszamonde I declare myself free from blame!
04 22:38:00 Morasique Blazeix--
04 22:38:00 Morasique ....bitch
04 22:38:00 Morasique also: http://mrozekma.com/rr72.jpg
04 22:38:00 Morasique i think we should put it on the poster
04 22:38:00 Morasique between glenda and tux
04 22:38:00 Blazeix aww. I'm neutral again.
04 22:38:00 Morasique Blazeix--
04 22:38:00 Morasique you're welcome
04 22:39:00 Blazeix whee!
04 22:39:00 Morasique i think i was positive last month, which boggles my mind
04 22:40:00 auchter oh, wait... instead of installing windows, i should ideally be able to dd over this image onto an actual partition and tell lilo to boot that...
04 22:40:00 auchter two windows installations would be too much pain and suffering for today
04 22:41:00 collinj1 I may try playing with getting the scopes to communicate with VirtualBox. I have severe doubts about it working though.
04 22:41:00 auchter i think there was a tool to do it for linux, but i had problems with it last year
04 22:41:00 auchter (i think andy753421 tried it as well)
04 22:43:00 andy753421 scopes on linux? I never got that working :/
04 22:44:00 andy753421 i only had to use them a couple times so I didn't really try to hard
04 22:44:00 collinj1 Well, we'll see how long I can hold out before giving up. I've only got one class tomorrow, so it shouldn't be too bad.
04 23:07:00 Blazeix someone just said in the hallway outside our room "I just installed linux, and I don't know what the fuck I'm doing"
04 23:07:00 Blazeix I can barely restrain myself from leaping out of my room yelling "LUG member to the rescue!"
04 23:07:00 Zaszamonde you need some type of costume
04 23:08:00 Blazeix penguin-beak hat ftw
04 23:15:00 Morasique i think our room might have the highest concentration of lug members on campus
04 23:15:00 Zaszamonde i'm not a member
04 23:16:00 Zaszamonde I'm just a heckler with nothing better to do
04 23:16:00 Morasique yes, thanks. Blazeix and i are
04 23:16:00 Zaszamonde That's the most?
04 23:16:00 Zaszamonde Wow, that's sad.
04 23:17:00 collinj1 I wonder what the on campus vs off campus ratio is.
04 23:17:00 Morasique i don't know of any other rooms with two
04 23:18:00 auchter TBoneULS and povilusr_eeepc?
04 23:18:00 Morasique on campus
04 23:18:00 Zaszamonde How many people in this chat are actually on campus?
04 23:19:00 MrBucket101 ME!
04 23:19:00 Blazeix Zaszamonde: I am :)
04 23:19:00 Zaszamonde No shit Will.
04 23:19:00 jboticsource campus is over rated
04 23:19:00 Morasique map whois `/names` | grep '.rose-hulman.edu' | wc -l
04 23:19:00 Morasique bam
04 23:19:00 MrBucket101 lol you lost me
04 23:19:00 auchter Morasique: my computer's on campus, that doesn't mean that i am ;)
04 23:19:00 Morasique good call
04 23:19:00 MrBucket101 where did you set up a computer on campus and leave it?
04 23:20:00 Morasique $((`!!` - 1))
04 23:20:00 auchter MrBucket101: my secret lair
04 23:20:00 Morasique MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
04 23:20:00 Morasique insanity++
04 23:20:00 Zaszamonde MrBucket101: The Batcave.
04 23:20:00 collinj1 Morasique: I have two off campus, so you'll need to take that into account as well.
04 23:21:00 collinj1 So in reality, it balances out without adjustment.
04 23:21:00 MrBucket101 lol im not looking to go jack your shit, but i just cant think of a place i would leave my computer and feel safe ab it
04 23:21:00 Morasique auchter: i'm looking to jack your shit
04 23:21:00 auchter that's why my lair is locked. actually, i don't think i even have access to it right now
04 23:22:00 Morasique we should move those machines to the cs lab. did anybody ever ask daryl about it?
04 23:22:00 Morasique we should ask before he sees the mac and gets pissed off
04 23:22:00 MrBucket101 lol just tell me this is outrageous, teachers office?
04 23:22:00 Morasique we actually move them every night
04 23:22:00 Morasique under the cover of darkness
04 23:22:00 Zaszamonde Ninja computers!
04 23:22:00 collinj1 Eh. He'll get over it. It's not like it was installed, sadly.
04 23:23:00 Blazeix We each only know part of the plan, so no one person knows everything.
04 23:23:00 collinj1 Either that or I'll be blamed since I am apparently hacking the CS lab.
04 23:23:00 Morasique maybe if tommost_aorist had gotten sshd running, i could install it remotely
04 23:23:00 MrBucket101 lol you guys are killin me
04 23:23:00 Morasique collinj1: ooo, good point. you're completely going to take the fall for this
04 23:23:00 MrBucket101 lol how are you hacking the CS lab cody
04 23:23:00 Morasique i might have to hang around daryl's office and drop hints
04 23:23:00 Morasique "i saw cody messing with the mac. i'm not saying he did anything, but there were pentagrams involved"
04 23:24:00 MrBucket101 lol
04 23:24:00 collinj1 MrBucket101: My IP address was found to be scanning one of their servers governing the UPS system.
04 23:24:00 MrBucket101 lol
04 23:25:00 MrBucket101 i wonder what they would do if we somehow scanned the network through tor
04 23:25:00 Morasique we could scan the network through nmap
04 23:25:00 Morasique and based on daryl's reaction: nothing
04 23:26:00 auchter i nmap'd 137.112.0.0/16 last year
04 23:26:00 Morasique collinj1: stop haxoring everyone
04 23:26:00 Morasique bring them back
04 23:26:00 Zaszamonde Heh, I just killed Will
04 23:26:00 Morasique you bitch
04 23:27:00 MrBucket101 lol
04 23:27:00 Blazeix that was odd. I was disconnected from rhlug, but not my other channels
04 23:28:00 Zaszamonde It was a stealth kick actually
04 23:28:00 Morasique yeah, i wonder who could be responsible
04 23:28:00 MrBucket101 ask zasza about it
04 23:28:00 Morasique s/.*/it was collinj1/
04 23:28:00 MrBucket101 what are the benefits to nmap'ing the network?
04 23:28:00 collinj1 Haha!
04 23:28:00 Morasique find out what hosts are available
04 23:28:00 Morasique although a zone transfer would be easier. i'm surprised they haven't noticed those
04 23:28:00 Blazeix you should definitely nmap scan the entire network from your laptop
04 23:29:00 Morasique everyone run it at midnight
04 23:29:00 auchter Morasique: you can't do zone transfers anymore
04 23:29:00 MrBucket101 i'd do it if i didn't want to get an email saying my computer has a virus
04 23:29:00 Morasique auchter: since when? we just did it over the summer
04 23:29:00 auchter last year they were disabled
04 23:29:00 Morasique MrBucket101: we get those anyways
04 23:30:00 Morasique auchter: oh, right, i downloaded andy753421's backup
04 23:30:00 MrBucket101 what do u mean?
04 23:30:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AXFR
04 23:31:00 MrBucket101 ^ thats way over my head
04 23:32:00 Morasique it's a dns request that reveals all the hosts stored on the dns server, but they disabled it so you can't do it anymore
04 23:32:00 MrBucket101 o
04 23:33:00 MrBucket101 im still not understanding what you could do with the hosts, i dont really think we have the resources to DDoS...so is it just to mess with IAIT basically
04 23:33:00 Morasique mostly to poke around and see what stuff is on the network
04 23:33:00 Morasique like the terrible broken cs machine hosting django or whatever it was
04 23:33:00 Blazeix Morasique: CS machine hosting django? Which one?
04 23:33:00 Morasique annoying iait is good too, but tommost_aorist is in charge of that department
04 23:34:00 Morasique Blazeix: was it django? whatever that terrible replacement for the cs website was running on
04 23:34:00 MrBucket101 so tom works for IAIT?
04 23:34:00 Blazeix no, it wasn't django, I thought it was a "blogging engine" or whatever
04 23:34:00 collinj1 Hell no. Hahaha!
04 23:34:00 Blazeix MrBucket101: no, he just complains
04 23:34:00 Blazeix although he has every reason to
04 23:34:00 Morasique rumor has it somebody in here works for iait though
04 23:34:00 Morasique spying on us. ever watchful
04 23:34:00 Blazeix whistles
04 23:35:00 Morasique Blazeix: shut up, i'm listening for the iait spy
04 23:35:00 Blazeix sorry
04 23:35:00 Morasique Topic for #rhlug: Rose-Hulman Linux Users Group | Wiki: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/ | Logs: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/ | Meetings every Thursday, 5:15PM in F225 | Everything can be done without mouse!
04 23:35:00 Morasique er. wtf
04 23:36:00 Morasique there we go
04 23:36:00 MrBucket101 LOL, if theres one thing i want to figure out how to get around thats the bandwidth limit...for a while i was switching my macs constantly...and then magically my ethernet port shutoff
04 23:36:00 Morasique you say magically like there's no way that could be connected
04 23:36:00 MrBucket101 lol it was intentional im sure of it
04 23:36:00 Morasique "for a while i was erasing random files on my hard drive...and then magically my machine wouldn't boot anymore"
04 23:36:00 MrBucket101 i had leeched probably 10GB in less than a day on 5 or 6different macs
04 23:37:00 Morasique you're cloning other people's macs?
04 23:37:00 collinj1 andy753421 is the expert in that field.
04 23:37:00 MrBucket101 i was for a while
04 23:37:00 MrBucket101 but i stopped after they shut off my jack
04 23:37:00 Morasique maybe if i turn you in iait will reward me with infinite bandwidth
04 23:37:00 MrBucket101 lol im sure they have the logs to do so
04 23:38:00 MrBucket101 but i would DL like 2 gigs on one mac
04 23:38:00 MrBucket101 then swap
04 23:38:00 MrBucket101 so nobody got emails, and i got y data
04 23:38:00 MrBucket101 but i guess since i changed so many macs in such a short time with such hig data they were like hmmm.....
04 23:39:00 MrBucket101 but yea, like i said i had to physically switch ethernet jacks to get internet, i had like a 20 ft cable running into the ktichen for a spare jack
04 23:39:00 MrBucket101 so i dont do that anymore
04 23:39:00 collinj1 That cable is 100 ft. I am very proud of that cable.
04 23:39:00 MrBucket101 lol, my bad
04 23:41:00 collinj1 povilusr_eeepc: How much cable do you have left?
04 23:41:00 Zaszamonde Angel is down: go IAIT!
04 23:41:00 collinj1 I could use about ten or so ten foot cables.
04 23:41:00 Morasique is Jack's complete lack of surprise
04 23:42:00 MrBucket101 (angels working on my end)
04 23:42:00 Morasique has anybody else not started their homework yet? we should play homework chicken; first person to start working loses
04 23:42:00 Zaszamonde That was oddly quick
04 23:42:00 MrBucket101 i did one problem for E-Sys
04 23:42:00 auchter Morasique: i'm installing window, is that pain?
04 23:42:00 Blazeix it showed me the lovely IIS error page for a second, but now its up again.
04 23:42:00 MrBucket101 i had to converted mi/kg in ft/lbs
04 23:42:00 collinj1 Morasique: I printed mine out, looked at it, and tossed it aside.
04 23:42:00 MrBucket101 and then i quit
04 23:43:00 Zaszamonde E-Sys? I think I slept through that class
04 23:43:00 Morasique auchter: way to fail
04 23:43:00 MrBucket101 please tell me its VERY easy
04 23:43:00 MrBucket101 i have Dr. Mu, so i have to like focus very hard to understand
04 23:43:00 Zaszamonde It depends on how good you are with circuits
04 23:43:00 MrBucket101 so-so-ish
04 23:43:00 Morasique it'll be so-so then
04 23:44:00 Zaszamonde Ah, well, I had Walter and I'm good with circuits, so really: you're fucked
04 23:44:00 Blazeix "It depends on how good you are with circuits"
04 23:44:00 Blazeix Isn't that most CPE classes?
04 23:44:00 Zaszamonde you'd think that
04 23:44:00 Blazeix yes. yes i would.
04 23:44:00 Morasique better than SE classes: it depends on how good you are with bullshit
04 23:44:00 Zaszamonde Comp Arch II and Signals has no circuit work
04 23:45:00 Blazeix true. I found that a depressingly large amount of bs goes on in the real world at my internship.
04 23:45:00 Blazeix I had to write design docs, requirements capture, all that stuff
04 23:45:00 Morasique Blazeix: and just think, we have a whole year of that ahead of us
04 23:45:00 Morasique i nominate you for official bs work
04 23:45:00 Morasique i'll do the programming
04 23:45:00 Morasique you can watch
04 23:45:00 Zaszamonde Isn't that Spoon's job?
04 23:45:00 Blazeix Isaac isn't in here. I say we delegate it to him
04 23:45:00 auchter also, ece people, what is this electronic concept inventory exam?
04 23:46:00 collinj1 Electronic?
04 23:46:00 Blazeix Also we have Chenoweth, so we probably could take our 372 documents, replace the title, and be good to go
04 23:46:00 Zaszamonde auchter: It's a fucking annoying test you have to take at the beginning and the end of some classes
04 23:46:00 Morasique Blazeix: curt will probably glance at them though
04 23:46:00 Morasique hey, angel is down
04 23:46:00 Morasique 500.13 web server is too busy
04 23:46:00 Morasique i blame Blazeix
04 23:47:00 collinj1 Typically the concept inventory is a load of crap which basically is used to judge your understanding of the class by making you take it before and after quarter.
04 23:47:00 Zaszamonde I blame freshmen
04 23:47:00 Morasique it's probably MrBucket101 overloading angel with his 45 mac addresses
04 23:47:00 collinj1 I blame collinjc_server.
04 23:47:00 Blazeix Morasique: yeah, its been going up and down a lot. I think my dropbox item was successfully submitted, but i'm not sure
04 23:47:00 Zaszamonde Kill MrBucket101!
04 23:47:00 Morasique i blame luglog
04 23:47:00 Morasique Blazeix: e-mail it to me and i'll submit it for you
04 23:48:00 andy753421 MrBucket101: are you `pc-mach-speed' by any chance?
04 23:48:00 Morasique er. what?
04 23:48:00 Zaszamonde Ah Angel, just when you think it couldn't get worse
04 23:48:00 Morasique Zaszamonde: that may be angel learning's motto
04 23:50:00 Blazeix Morasique: I sent you my article
04 23:50:00 Zaszamonde I sense a Rick Roll
04 23:50:00 Morasique Blazeix e-mailed me his "article review" and then i can hear him and Zaszamonde laughing in the next room
04 23:51:00 Blazeix err no. We were laughing at something else
04 23:51:00 Zaszamonde Uh, I just ran into a funny site
04 23:51:00 Blazeix It was not suspicious
04 23:51:00 Zaszamonde Stumble! That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
04 23:51:00 Blazeix its not goatse
04 23:51:00 Morasique Blazeix: we should actually scatter lipsum paragraphs throughout our assignments to see if he notices
04 23:51:00 Morasique i guarantee steve wouldn't
04 23:52:00 Morasique we should do it in 497, curt would have a sense of humor about it
04 23:56:00 Morasique there's an ap nearby with the ssid "Jordan (stay away from router!)"
05 00:00:00 Morasique apparently Blazeix can sense linux machines booting up
05 00:01:00 Blazeix Somebody got blasted by the Ubuntu start up noise
05 00:01:00 Blazeix I could hear it from a few rooms over,
05 00:01:00 Blazeix s/,/./
05 00:02:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse221/200910/csse221-200910-Syllabus.htm
05 00:02:00 Morasique fail
05 00:02:00 Morasique both in content and in that entirely over-specified url
05 00:02:00 Blazeix good xhtml programming, though
05 00:02:00 Blazeix its rare to see that
05 00:03:00 Blazeix ooh, <font color=red>
05 00:03:00 Blazeix points off for that.
05 00:03:00 Morasique apparently the cost of the world cup qualifier tickets varies if you have a graphical or text-only e-mail client
05 00:04:00 Blazeix what an odd choice for a background graphic
05 00:04:00 Blazeix in the world cup email
05 00:04:00 Morasique background graphic?
05 00:04:00 Blazeix in the world cup email
05 00:05:00 Blazeix hopefully, by repeating myself it will become more clear
05 00:05:00 Morasique yeah, i caught that. i see no background graphic
05 00:25:00 tommost My laptop has suddenly stopped automatically detecting an external monitor when X starts. It's awesome in the way only ATI can be.
05 00:26:00 tommost Oh, and my nub mouse isn't working.
05 00:27:00 auchter tommost: file a ticket
05 00:28:00 auchter and that thumb drive is proving itself useful: i'm installing windows on it
05 00:28:00 kleinpa This is Peter Klein from the LUG, just trying out this IRC thing
05 00:28:00 tommost Hello!
05 00:28:00 auchter you're going to confuse us all... kleinjt, kleinpa...
05 00:28:00 tommost Yeah.
05 00:28:00 auchter but hello indeed
05 00:29:00 kleinpa i'll try to think of a new name
05 00:29:00 tommost Using this touchpad with your circular scrolling config is slightly difficult...
05 00:29:00 Zaszamonde that or you two will have to fight to the death
05 00:29:00 auchter tommost: you get used to it after a while
05 00:29:00 tommost kleinpa: You don't want to fight kleinjt. He has markbot.
05 00:29:00 auchter until you're giving a presentation using xpdf, and you accidentally scroll through the entire thing
05 00:30:00 kleinpa i'm unfamiliar with IRC, should I know what a markbot is?
05 00:30:00 auchter no, you shouldn't. it's a Markov chain bot that kleinjt wrote
05 00:30:00 tommost It's aggressive.
05 00:30:00 auchter it's really annoying; doubly so since he wrote it in java
05 00:31:00 kleinpa crazy
05 00:31:00 kleinpa well, i'm out for tonight, still figuring what hours of sleep my body can put up with, but i'll see you all around.
05 00:31:00 tommost Okay, weird, now circular scrolling isn't working.
05 00:31:00 tommost I wonder if my xorg.conf got corrupted.
05 00:32:00 Morasique tommost: you should keep backups
05 00:32:00 tommost Yeah, I have like 30 xorg.conf files in that directory. It won't be a problem.
05 00:32:00 auchter venti + fossil...
05 00:34:00 tommost I'm installing DyKnow in a VM for chem. I wonder what DeVasher is going to think of the crazy size of my "screen".
05 00:34:00 Morasique i originally made my xp vm for dyknow
05 00:34:00 Morasique evil program
05 00:35:00 Zaszamonde Does any prof actually use DyKnow for what it was made to do?
05 00:35:00 auchter windows apparently fails at installing to a USB key.
05 00:35:00 Morasique i think some at least use the interactivity features
05 00:35:00 tommost DeVasher's use seems in keeping with its intent.
05 00:35:00 Morasique s/at installing to a USB key.//
05 00:36:00 auchter gah, i don't have the patience for this shit.
05 00:43:00 auchter wow, trying to find solutions to problems with windows is depressing
05 00:44:00 auchter You may have a corrupt MBR (master boot record)!! You will need to reformat and do Fdisk /mbr to delete the master boot record!! Save all data first as this will not allow you to access any of your data as all file location addresses are located in the MBR!!
05 00:44:00 tommost Wait... what?
05 00:45:00 auchter ``that's advice i found on a forum
05 00:45:00 tommost Beautiful.
05 00:56:00 auchter windows is pure evil. now onto my second native install for the night; hopefully this one will actually boot.
05 00:57:00 Zaszamonde It's not evil, it's just misguided and stupid
05 00:57:00 Zaszamonde Evil means there is a coherent purpose and logic behind it
05 00:57:00 auchter oh, awesome. after sitting through the install loading screen for about 5 minutes, it tells me that it can't find any disks
05 00:57:00 auchter bloody wonderful
05 00:58:00 auchter do we need special drivers for the XP installer?
05 01:03:00 tommost You need to enable ATA emulation or something.
05 01:06:00 auchter oh dear god this book is horrible
05 01:06:00 auchter it's telling me, with a screen capture for each step, how to locate the start menu
05 01:06:00 auchter i thought that was bad, but i turned the page
05 01:07:00 auchter now, it's telling me what to do if i don't see the start menu
05 01:08:00 auchter three bloody pages explaining how to launch orcad capture
05 01:09:00 Blazeix auchter: Zaszamonde was talking about that back when he took the class too.
05 01:40:00 auchter potential disaster averted: usb passthrough works in kvm
05 01:57:00 Morasique clark assigned us a reading for tomorrow, which says to read three more things, each of which also say to read one more thing. it's very much like package dependencies
05 09:58:00 Morasique my first class started at 9am. i set my alarm for 9am
05 09:59:00 Morasique not the greatest plan
05 10:00:00 Mishtal I wouldnt imagine that that was the best method of approach
05 10:08:00 collinjc Would anyone be interested in helping a couple people from Dr. Defoe's class install Linux sometime before next Friday?
05 10:09:00 andy753421 oh, we forgot to talk about the install fest
05 10:09:00 Morasique andy753421: we said next saturday, but that's about it
05 10:09:00 collinjc Well, we talked about it for a bit, but not in detail.
05 10:09:00 Morasique time, place, etc. would be good
05 10:09:00 Morasique collinjc: can we do it at the lug meeting?
05 10:09:00 Morasique or should we meet another time
05 10:09:00 collinjc Easily. There won't be more than 4 people or so he said.
05 10:10:00 Morasique ok. i imagine we'll have cds burned by then for the installfest, so they can use those
05 10:11:00 Morasique is this the garbage collection class?
05 10:11:00 collinjc Yeah, I think that will work.
05 10:11:00 collinjc Yes, it is.
05 10:11:00 Morasique any idea what they're using linux for?
05 10:11:00 Morasique just curious
05 10:11:00 collinjc He said that they are using it to get a feel for different methods of memory management.
05 10:17:00 Morasique 2 points to charity mouck for being the first person of the quarter to fuck up a date in an all campus e-mail
05 10:18:00 Mishtal I'm currently auditing defoes class
05 10:19:00 Mishtal he wants linux on everyone's 'tops because his reasoning is that its the only type of environment that is acceptable for CS research. and that windows is very unfriendly to it.
05 10:19:00 Mishtal i dont know that linux is the best, but i know windows is the worst
05 10:20:00 Morasique that makes sense, i can see messing with that stuff being hard on windows
05 10:21:00 Mishtal I dont have any CD's to burn with, but if anyone happens to have a copy of 8.04 that they can give to me, i can do some of the installing during todays session
05 10:21:00 Morasique i think we were going to do it during the lug meeting, he probably doesn't want you doing it in class
05 10:22:00 collinjc Yeah, I already told him that was the plan.
05 10:22:00 Mishtal more than likely he wasnt expecting it during class, but theres really only 6 people... and only 3 are enrolled. heh
05 10:22:00 Mishtal the next meeting works fine.
05 10:33:00 Morasique ifplugd is very cool. everyone-- for not telling me about this
05 10:33:00 auchter can we reserve new olin rooms on weekends?
05 10:33:00 auchter Morasique: i thought everyone used it already.
05 10:33:00 Morasique i think so. and no, i did it manually before
05 10:34:00 Morasique i was fine with that, the best part is not having to wait for dhcp during boot now
05 10:34:00 Morasique who usually gets the room?
05 10:38:00 auchter i think i got it the last time, but someone else had done it before
05 10:39:00 auchter what time do we want to have it?
05 10:42:00 collinjc Probably sometime in the afternoon.
05 10:42:00 collinjc Speaking of which, we should probably get signs printed or something.
05 10:43:00 auchter flyers would be a good idea
05 10:43:00 auchter i'm sure it'd be trivial to adapt tommost_aorist's SVG for the purpose
05 10:43:00 collinjc Yes, definitely.
05 10:43:00 collinjc How do you get added to those napkin holder things in the ARA?
05 10:44:00 auchter isn't that stuff taken from the campus calendar?
05 10:44:00 collinjc Possibly. But I wonder who we'd need to talk to in order to make an addition.
05 10:44:00 collinjc That will get a lot of freshmen.
05 10:46:00 auchter isn't it dale long who sends those out?
05 10:46:00 Morasique yeah, but i don't know if he's in charge of adding stuff
05 10:46:00 auchter right. i'm sure the public relations guy would know
05 10:46:00 Morasique i don't think the napkin holders are automatically generated from the calendar, i think clubs make them individually
05 10:47:00 Morasique oh wait, you're talking about the weekly summary thing
05 10:47:00 Morasique i was thinking of the whole page dedicated to one event thing
05 10:47:00 auchter right. well, i'm leaving now.
05 11:48:00 collinjc Sadly, it doesn't look like anyone has touched the mac all day.
05 11:49:00 collinjc ...Wow, did I just say that? I suppose this could be looked at as a positive thing.
05 11:51:00 collinjc jboticsource: If you want to be filled in about the important things from the meeting yesterday, take a look at the Mac. But keep nice and quiet about it.
05 11:53:00 jboticsource hush hush
05 11:53:00 auchter i saw daryl moving things around in F225 this morning
05 11:56:00 jboticsource you guys are lame just sticking with the live cd
05 12:00:00 Morasique jboticsource: feel free
05 12:02:00 Morasique somebody should start nmap on the mac scanning the CS ports, i want to see daryl investigate again
05 12:04:00 collinjc It looks as though jboticsource is bringing the mac down for installation at the moment, so that could be a little difficult.
05 12:05:00 Morasique er. seriously?
05 12:06:00 Morasique we should definitely not install ubuntu on that mac
05 12:07:00 jboticsource why not?
05 12:07:00 Morasique because curt, sriram, daryl, and mcleish would flip out
05 12:07:00 Morasique in that order
05 12:07:00 Morasique if you're going to install ubuntu install it on the PC
05 12:13:00 Morasique it concerns me that he stopped responding
05 12:13:00 Morasique this is like when somebody decided we only needed linux on phantom and killed the windows partition. notice how there is no linux on that machine anymore
05 12:16:00 Morasique oh very cool. i'm using the latex mode in emacs and i accidentally typed "" instead of ``''; it automatically fixed it
05 12:16:00 Mishtal Morasique: Did we ever resolve the issue with the two former linux boxes in the department?
05 12:17:00 Blazeix no, I think we should write an actual letter. That may be something to discuss next week.
05 12:17:00 Blazeix speaking of which, should I notify Chris of his coreutils presentation, or has somebody already done that?
05 12:17:00 auchter a letter and not pissing them off would be good
05 12:17:00 auchter wow, failure
05 12:17:00 Mishtal Blazeix: A letter to the department in general? Or to someone specific?
05 12:17:00 auchter the department had nothing to do with it
05 12:17:00 Blazeix I was thinking darryl/mcleish
05 12:17:00 collinjc Morasique: How did you manage to get that stupid drive to eject.
05 12:18:00 auchter they supported having linux on the machines
05 12:18:00 Mishtal auchter: so do you want to mock up a draft?
05 12:18:00 Blazeix maybe they could password protect grub, so some asshole doesn't mess with it again.
05 12:18:00 Morasique collinjc: we still have no idea, it just ejected suddenly
05 12:18:00 Morasique if it's still in ubuntu `eject' works
05 12:19:00 Blazeix from the livecd it ejected flawlessly
05 12:19:00 collinjc Well, I only have so long for that to happen.
05 12:19:00 Morasique ?
05 12:19:00 collinjc True. I'll boot it back into Ubuntu.
05 12:21:00 Blazeix collinjc: what happened to jboticsource?
05 12:22:00 jboticsource i am here
05 12:23:00 jboticsource cody is playing with the mac now
05 12:23:00 Morasique Blazeix: it sounds like collinjc disarmed him
05 12:25:00 collinjc Well, the disc has been removed, but it is still sitting there spinning away.
05 12:25:00 collinjc And of course, it is following true Mac form by not giving any indication as to what is going on and why it could potentially not be booting.
05 12:26:00 auchter but it's white and elegant when it doesn't work. pcs are ugly and spew text all over.
05 12:27:00 Morasique especially linux, with all it's "information"
05 12:27:00 Morasique s/'//
05 12:27:00 auchter oh, residence hall SGA senator elections...
05 12:27:00 auchter we need to discuss this with the freshmen in LUG
05 12:29:00 Blazeix was the installation actually started?
05 12:29:00 jboticsource no
05 12:30:00 Morasique i'm imagining collinjc inching towards the mac while jboticsource sits with the mouse on the Install icon
05 12:30:00 Morasique "just close the window. everything is going to be fine" "back AWAY! I'LL DO IT!"
05 12:31:00 collinjc Hahaha! It never even made it to the bootsplash from what I saw looking up from my PSpice waveforms.
05 12:32:00 auchter damn that mac is stupid
05 12:32:00 Morasique you should've waited till it was about to format the drive before you dived across the table and pulled the plug
05 12:32:00 Morasique would've been much more dramatic
05 12:34:00 Mishtal Oh, but he should have written a counter formatting virus specifically to counteract the formatting, and cursed about how the formatting program was going faster than he could write the counter program, ultimately saving the day in a dramatic display of heroism by some ultra secret knowledge of computers that no one knows about.
05 12:34:00 collinjc Indeed it would have. Next time I'll make sure to keep that in mind.
05 12:34:00 collinjc Perhaps with some crazy ninja-esque moves worked in.
05 12:35:00 collinjc Perhaps we should consult MUG. Maybe they know how to deal with this whole white screen non booting issue.
05 12:35:00 Mishtal when is installfest for defoes class?
05 12:36:00 collinjc Next Thursday's meeting.
05 12:36:00 Morasique :D "a counter-formatting virus"? rm =fdisk
05 12:36:00 Zaszamonde so who here thought that mishtal's statement was the dumbest thing they'd heard all week?
05 12:44:00 Morasique well, rr72 hasn't been in all week, so it's not really fair
05 12:44:00 Zaszamonde ah, i see
05 12:47:00 Morasique i forgot to mention tommost and i went by his room after lug, but he wasn't there. we should organize lug field trips
05 12:48:00 Zaszamonde to where?
05 12:50:00 Morasique rr72's room
05 13:14:00 octavious did we ever figure out who rr72 is?
05 13:16:00 Morasique ryan moss
05 14:55:00 jboticsource what is the pop server for rose's email?
05 14:57:00 auchter pop is stupid, use imap
05 14:57:00 jboticsource what i do is i have gmail grab my rose mail
05 14:57:00 jboticsource and delete it off of the server
05 14:57:00 jboticsource for the record, i use imap on gmail
05 15:01:00 collinjc jboticsource: exchange.rose-hulman.edu for both pop and imap.
05 15:01:00 jboticsource thanks
05 15:27:00 auchter would anyone happen to have a socket-A heatsink and fan?
05 15:31:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/cs/csse413/assignments/eliza.html
05 15:31:00 Morasique take that vim
05 15:40:00 auchter only in emacs would you need a function that listens to how depressed you are and offers help
05 16:03:00 Morasique :). awk would actually be great for writing this, i'm considering it
05 16:14:00 auchter yeah, that's actually a pretty good idea
05 16:18:00 jboticsource i know that there is an email address list on exchange. is there a way that i can download that?
05 16:19:00 Morasique i think you could run an ldap query that did it
05 16:19:00 Morasique i'm not sure, i think there's a limit on how many results you can get
05 16:21:00 auchter why do you need the whole list?
05 16:22:00 jboticsource i want to import it to my gmail account
05 16:24:00 auchter ah, ok. out of curiousity, what format does gmail use for address book entries?
05 16:24:00 jboticsource csv
05 16:28:00 tommost Gee, thanks, ASME. Nice to know when I need to submit my resume by.
05 16:34:00 Morasique asmecis@gmail.com? seriously?
05 16:52:00 tommost Perhaps we should all reply, pointing out the fact that there is an all-ME mailing list?
05 16:52:00 Morasique i've given up, they don't care
05 16:53:00 Morasique i would be annoyed if i was the iait guy that set up the 10000 lists we have; everyone uses the same like three
05 16:58:00 tommost Hehe, yeah.
05 17:08:00 TBoneULS auchter: i believe i do have a socket a heatsink around somewhere
05 17:08:00 tommost So do I.
05 17:08:00 tommost checks the log
05 17:11:00 Morasique sigh. i'm running waste in a windows vm. this is depressing
05 17:11:00 tommost It works just fine under Wine for me...?
05 17:12:00 Morasique good for you
05 17:12:00 Morasique it crashed my desktop three times in eight hours
05 17:12:00 tommost Yikes.
05 17:12:00 Morasique and the wx version segfaults immediately. i can't figure out what's wrong with either of them
05 17:13:00 tommost God, the Internet connection is saturated. I can't watch the Daily Show.
05 17:14:00 tommost Now that I'm a sophomore I can appreciate the #rhlug tradition of blaming the freshman.
05 17:15:00 Morasique what the hell is wrong with this program
05 17:15:00 Morasique how did it crash my computer from within a virtual machine running as a normal user, in about 30 seconds
05 17:16:00 tommost Do you feel motivated to write a replacement? ;0
05 17:17:00 Morasique the protocol probably isn't hard, i wonder if there's documentation on it
05 17:18:00 Morasique i now have less than 12 hours of 56k internet left
05 17:18:00 Morasique i may get up at 5am to use normal internet
05 17:19:00 Blazeix Does anybody in here run a mailserver on campus that uses emailrelay.rose-hulman.edu as a relayhost?
05 17:19:00 TBoneULS they really did that the first time you went over?
05 17:19:00 TBoneULS Blazeix: i may be soon (1-2 days)
05 17:19:00 TBoneULS i did before and it worked if i recall correcly
05 17:19:00 Blazeix I think something might be wrong with their settings since its no longer excepting email from my server
05 17:19:00 Blazeix it worked yesterday, but not today
05 17:19:00 TBoneULS ya probably
05 17:20:00 Blazeix It seems to close the connection as soon as I telnet to port 25
05 17:24:00 collinjc tommost: Do you have some sort of a script that changes printer displays? I have a newly acquired network printer.
05 17:24:00 tommost Yes. Just a minute.
05 17:25:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/printermsg.py
05 17:26:00 collinjc Awesome. I've been randomly poking around with telneting into it, but haven't been able to do anything more than get it to spit out random sheets of paper.
05 17:27:00 tommost Someone should change the Percopo printers' displays to "Now property of Percopo 2".
05 17:27:00 Morasique collinjc: that could be entertaining
05 17:28:00 collinjc It was until I managed to get it stuck to the point where it would no longer accept input, forcing me to power it off.
05 17:28:00 Morasique tommost: http://awurl.com/IJX0aZeBg
05 17:28:00 Morasique nice
05 17:30:00 tommost :)
05 17:32:00 Morasique jackpot: http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/j-waste/waste_documentation-1.1.pdf
05 17:33:00 collinjc tommost: Interesting. So apparently trying to make it display "TEST" makes it attempt to scan.
05 17:36:00 collinjc Obviously this printer's display works a little differently from most.
05 17:36:00 collinjc Currently it displays the time and date, and I feel that a printer has no business being a clock.
05 17:43:00 Morasique i'm trying a fork of waste. there's a tiny chance it may work
05 17:52:00 povilusr_desktop auchter you get that email i hope you dont mind
05 18:16:00 auchter povilusr_desktop: yeah, i got it, and of course i don't mind
05 18:16:00 auchter povilusr_desktop: probably won't do it either, though
05 18:19:00 auchter collinjc: setting the display is just PJL, HP has a good manual on it somewhere (along with the other things you can do with PJL, none of which are particularly interesting really)
05 18:20:00 carberry Hey, trying to get Thunderbird working with my account. When I try to check mail it pops up an error. "The current command did not succeed. The mail server responded: Duplicate folders"Junk E-mail" were detected in the mailbox. Therefore the user's connection was disconnected.." I didn't see this problem on the wiki.
05 18:20:00 auchter TBoneULS, tommost: i'll buy from the lowest bidder (or if one of you wants to give me one, they can do that too)
05 18:21:00 collinjc auchter: Cool. I wasn't aware of that. I'm downloading that manual now.
05 18:24:00 auchter carberry: i'm not sure what would cause that, but one thing that comes to mind is the subscription to folders
05 18:24:00 auchter right click on your account name, go to subscribe
05 18:25:00 auchter try messing around with toggling the junk email folder...
05 18:26:00 carberry Toggled it off. Also eliminated junk mail settings in options.
05 18:26:00 collinjc This manual needs an "I don't care, I just want to change my display," section.
05 18:26:00 auchter there should be a section covering RDYMSG
05 18:27:00 collinjc Awesome. Found it.
05 18:27:00 auchter collinjc: also, what kind of printer is it?
05 18:27:00 collinjc It's an Officejet Pro L7590.
05 18:28:00 auchter ok, because not all printers speak PJL
05 18:29:00 collinjc This may very well be one of those, seeing as giving it PJL seems to make it do very strange things.
05 18:32:00 collinjc If RDYMSG is precisely accurate in its wording, then this will definitely not work since this printer does not have a 'ready' message.
05 18:32:00 collinjc Just a clock and diagnostics.
05 18:34:00 carberry I talked to someone in my class. Apparently, he too had two junk email folders. He said we had webmail (I didn't know) and that I could delete it from there. Weird
05 18:36:00 collinjc auchter: Looks like the Officejet line isn't supported by PJL. That's disappointing. Oh well. I guess I just have one more clock now.
05 18:36:00 collinjc It isn't listed in their supported products.
05 18:38:00 collinjc However other things say it does...
05 18:39:00 collinjc I give up on this venture for now.
05 18:58:00 tommost Okay, the wiki's RSS feed is getting out of hand.
05 19:00:00 auchter why?
05 19:01:00 tommost Old changes keep coming up as new, in random order, or even show up as new pages.
05 19:01:00 tommost At least half of the entries are complete junk.
05 19:03:00 tommost Morasique: Was the peaplabel what broke wireless for you?
05 19:18:00 Morasique no, wpa_supplicant gives me errors about unsupported operations
05 19:18:00 Morasique i thought i fixed peaplabel on the wiki page
05 19:19:00 tommost Yeah, I was wondering if you had copy-and-pasted it and it caused you issues.
05 19:20:00 auchter Morasique: i get unsupported operation errors as well. i just ignore them, and it works fine
05 19:23:00 Morasique well, after that is the freezing, but i'll mess with it again later
05 20:12:00 Morasique ooo. the gentoo i'm installing in a vm actually listens to my GENTOO_MIRRORS setting. why can't i get my laptop to do that
05 20:22:00 MrBucket101 hey guys, is this working?
05 20:22:00 auchter everything is work
05 20:22:00 MrBucket101 I found an IRC client for my iPhone
05 20:23:00 MrBucket101 kool! it works
05 20:23:00 Morasique hisses at the apple user and leaps away
05 20:23:00 MrBucket101 LOL its just an iPhone nothing more
05 20:25:00 Morasique it starts with an iphone. and then ipods are ok, and next thing you know we're all using objective c
05 20:25:00 hollanbm er it is
05 20:25:00 hollanbm now I
05 20:25:00 hollanbm mean
05 20:27:00 hollanbm so am I the only iPhone user in the room?
05 20:29:00 Morasique is that just the biggest coincidence ever?
05 20:29:00 Morasique or is that the same person
05 20:29:00 hollanbm I'm not sure I'm following you
05 20:30:00 Morasique are MrBucket101 and hollanbm the same person?
05 20:30:00 hollanbm yes I am
05 20:31:00 Morasique ah. then yes, i'm pretty sure you're the only iphone user
05 20:31:00 hollanbm I changed my nick, I thought it showed every1 that I did
05 20:31:00 Morasique no, you're in here as both right now
05 20:31:00 hollanbm or was it just my client?
05 20:31:00 Morasique /whois MrBucket101, it's still connected
05 20:31:00 hollanbm wth
05 20:31:00 Morasique if it's registered you can ghost it
05 20:32:00 hollanbm I'm on my iPhone, hollanbm was my Alt nick.... I'm not sure what's going on
05 20:32:00 Morasique er. well, you're talking as hollanbm right now
05 20:33:00 Morasique i blame apple
05 20:33:00 Morasique go find a linux computer, you wouldn't have this problem
05 20:33:00 Morasique one of the kernel configuration options is "torture tests". i'm considering turning it on
05 20:34:00 hollanbm isn't mac os based off Linux of some sort?
05 20:35:00 Morasique it's based off bsd
05 20:39:00 hollanbm meh that's almost Linux
05 20:39:00 auchter erm, no
05 20:40:00 andy753421 s/linux/unix
05 20:40:00 Morasique hollanbm--
05 20:41:00 andy753421 i suppose it depends on the definition of 'almost'..
05 20:41:00 hollanbm I'm still new to this, what's those dashes mean
05 20:42:00 Morasique andy753421: good call. mac os is almost like linux, for sufficiently liberal definitions of almost
05 20:42:00 Morasique hollanbm: it's like minus one point. the logs keep track of how many points everyone has
05 20:42:00 andy753421 well, when compared windows..
05 20:44:00 hollanbm oh wow, I feel dumb for not picking up on the --
05 20:44:00 Morasique it's not standard irc or anything
05 20:44:00 Morasique hey, i'm in last karma-wise. go me
05 20:44:00 hollanbm yea that's what I was thinking at first but I made the connection
05 20:45:00 hollanbm whose in 1st?
05 20:45:00 Morasique auchter and andy753421 are tied at 1
05 20:45:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#scoreboard
05 20:46:00 hollanbm can I ++ myself?
05 20:46:00 Morasique i don't think so
05 20:46:00 andy753421 no, you can only ++ other people
05 20:46:00 Morasique you could join as another nick and do it, but nobody cares enough
05 20:47:00 andy753421 yea, there's also a nick mapping files
05 20:48:00 hollanbm well I've kinda got 2 but
05 20:48:00 hollanbm it wasnt on purpose
05 20:49:00 Morasique i think andy753421 just linked your nicks
05 20:49:00 Morasique they show up as one now
05 20:49:00 hollanbm to you guys or in the logs?
05 20:49:00 andy753421 yea, i'm not exactly sure how the linking works, i don't think it's directional
05 20:50:00 Morasique i would imagine not, that wouldn't make sense
05 20:50:00 Morasique hollanbm: in the logs, hollanbm and mrbucket101 show up under the same entry in the scoreboard now
05 20:50:00 andy753421 directional would let you specify the primary nick
05 20:50:00 Morasique i think it's the nick that's spoken most
05 20:50:00 hollanbm oooo, damn and I was at 0...
05 20:51:00 andy753421 perhaps, or maybe the first one?
05 20:51:00 andy753421 spoken is probably more likely though
05 20:51:00 Morasique i'm not sure. tommost mentioned it once but i'm too lazy to find it in the logs
05 20:51:00 andy753421 agreed
05 20:51:00 hollanbm ctrl+f ftw
05 20:51:00 Morasique tommost: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/log/luglog.js
05 20:52:00 Morasique i like "Do stuff!!!"
05 20:52:00 Morasique that should probably be in the logview repo instead of in your afs space, unless there's a reason to put it there
05 20:52:00 Morasique hollanbm: grep ftw, but i'm not sure what to search for
05 20:53:00 Morasique nor am i particularly concerned since i only have one nick anyway
05 20:53:00 hollanbm what is grep?
05 20:53:00 Morasique it's a *nix tool for searching through text
05 20:54:00 Morasique we'll probably talk about it in the coreutils presentation
05 20:54:00 Morasique i meant to ask crr about that. oops
05 20:54:00 hollanbm when's that?
05 20:54:00 Morasique i thought it was in two weeks, but it's not on the schedule
05 20:55:00 hollanbm How's being a member work anyway, just show up?
05 20:55:00 andy753421 it's in the constitution: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Constitution
05 20:56:00 hollanbm LOL
05 20:57:00 Morasique i was going to run for something this year, elections mid-winter = fail
05 20:59:00 hollanbm whose the pres?
05 21:00:00 andy753421 it's in the about page: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/RHLUG:About
05 21:02:00 hollanbm I was going to guess you were SA
05 21:03:00 hollanbm @ andy
05 21:07:00 hollanbm anyways I'm out, phones about to die
05 21:07:00 hollanbm later guys
05 21:07:00 Mishtal yay, routerness!!!
05 21:13:00 tommost It's the nick that has spoken most.
05 21:13:00 tommost Morasique: It's on AFS so that I can change it without having to get andy753421 to svn up.
05 21:15:00 tommost It is directional in the sense that only the nick that is mapped to affects the generated color.
05 21:48:00 Morasique damn it! i still failed at getting gentoo set up right first try
05 21:49:00 tommost I've failed at setting up Ubuntu. Of course, that was caused by bad hardware.
05 21:50:00 Morasique i mixed up my partition numbers and told it my root partition was my swap space
05 21:50:00 Morasique it didn't like that
05 21:50:00 tommost I would suspect not.
05 22:04:00 Morasique oh, i forgot to add the network card to the kernel. double fail
05 22:04:00 Morasique although the first time i installed gentoo i forgot to set the processor, so i'm still beating that
05 22:12:00 Morasique "You should stop using /etc/hostname and use /etc/conf.d/hostname"
05 22:12:00 Morasique go to hell gentoo, i'll do whatever i want
05 22:13:00 tommost Tell 'em, Morasique.
05 22:43:00 Morasique does gentoo not use pam by default?
05 22:44:00 Morasique i just installed sudo and it installed pam as a dependency; i assumed it was already installed
05 23:33:00 Mishtal is it possible to boot a live CD from a flashdrive? if so, how do i "burn" the image to the drive?
05 23:33:00 Mishtal (which is actually an SD card in a USB adapter)
05 23:33:00 tommost Yes. pendrivelinux.com
05 23:34:00 tommost There are also directions on the Ubuntu wiki, I think.
06 01:01:00 Morasique cool, i just discovered smbstatus. now i can stalk people watching my tv shows
06 02:27:00 Morasique dear mutchler: you're slow. http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse221/200910/csse221-200910-Syllabus.htm
06 12:54:00 auchter tommost: how do you move trac pages? (i didn't realize that there was an igcv/ directory for the subteams)
06 13:05:00 kleinpa what does it mean if ls cant access a directory to show permissions
06 13:05:00 kleinpa ls: cannot access afs: Permission denied
06 13:05:00 kleinpa total 20
06 13:05:00 kleinpa d????????? ? ? ? ? ? afs
06 13:06:00 kleinpa (sorry about the multi-lined thing, I didnt thing IRC would do that)
06 13:10:00 tommost auchter: I haven't figured that out. Worse, you don't seem to be able to delete them unless you have special permissions, which I haven't given anyone yet.
06 13:10:00 tommost When I moved things I just blanked the old page and put the content at a different URL.
06 13:10:00 tommost Note that URLs should be all lower-case, with hyphens instead of spaces.
06 13:13:00 Morasique kleinpa: the network connection dropped
06 13:13:00 Morasique you need to remount it
06 13:15:00 auchter tommost: why hypens instead of underscores?
06 13:17:00 Morasique OMG FAST INTERNET
06 13:19:00 auchter ?
06 13:19:00 tommost He was on 56k.
06 13:23:00 auchter andy753421: do you have anything on the plan9 box that you need?
06 13:51:00 Morasique apparently awesome 3 is unmasked in portage now, but the 20 packages it depends on all aren't
06 13:52:00 auchter Morasique: and you ask why i prefer dwm
06 13:52:00 Morasique well i'm not like you, i don't care if a program depends on stuff, i just don't understand why the maintainers did that
06 13:53:00 Morasique compiz is the same way in portage, it depends on a hundred things that are all masked, but compiz itself isn't
06 13:53:00 auchter don't you think 20 dependencies for a window manager is a bit steep?
06 13:53:00 Morasique well, i don't actually know how many it has, i'm not actually going to upgrade to 3 at the moment
06 13:54:00 Morasique speaking of which, is there a way to mask packages manually?
06 13:55:00 Morasique or otherwise tell portage i don't want to upgrade
06 13:55:00 auchter Morasique: packages.mask?
06 13:56:00 auchter or you could use package.keywords to specify a specific version
06 13:56:00 Morasique in /etc/portage? i don't have one, am i supposed to make a new one?
06 13:56:00 auchter i'm not sure about package.mask (i've never used it, i might be way off on it)
06 13:57:00 auchter but package.keywords you'll likely need to create if you don't have one
06 13:58:00 Morasique yeah, i have package.keywords, i'm trying package.mask. it seems to be working
06 13:58:00 auchter package.mask is a directory in my /etc/portage
06 13:59:00 Morasique oh, i just made a file and added the package name and it worked
06 14:00:00 Morasique although i brilliantly masked awesome-3.0_r6, so then portage tried to do r5 instead
06 14:01:00 auchter use >=?
06 14:02:00 Morasique yeah, i fixed it. thanks
06 14:04:00 Morasique oh, and are .config files normally not backwards compatible? my 2.6.24 file doesn't work with 2.6.25. is there a way to convert it or do i just have to make it again
06 14:07:00 auchter i normally copy mine over just fine
06 14:09:00 Morasique hmm. maybe i just did it wrong, i'll try on my laptop after i get .25
06 16:02:00 andy753421 auchter: no
06 16:11:00 auchter good, because it's all gone ;)
06 16:12:00 auchter i have a fresh install on fossil+venti, but i don't have time to work on it until sometime this week (i got sidetracked working on robotics stuff)
06 16:14:00 tommost auchter++
06 16:14:00 auchter i'll take it that's for working on robotics, not the plan9 stuff
06 16:17:00 tommost ;)
06 16:54:00 Morasique i got tired of checking the 221 syllabus to see if mutchler finally updated it, so i've resorted to running a script on addiator that e-mails me when the file changes
06 16:57:00 Morasique are they kidding about iron man tomorrow? it starts at "dusk"? i'm pretty sure dusk has no defined meaning, it's like "kinda dark"
06 16:57:00 Kratos1 anyone here done any matlab and linux?
06 16:57:00 Morasique Kratos1: i ran it last year, i don't anymore
06 16:57:00 Kratos1 did you use the copy IAIT gives out?
06 16:58:00 Morasique yeah
06 16:58:00 Kratos1 and that has the limitation of phoning home on startup correct?
06 16:58:00 Morasique it does it continuously, but yes
06 16:58:00 Kratos1 wonderful how they cripple our version
06 16:59:00 Morasique the windows version does that too
06 16:59:00 Kratos1 I thought it didn't....but ok
06 16:59:00 Kratos1 I need OrCAD and Pspice as well, so guess I'll have to use windows for those
06 16:59:00 tommost Well, they do cripple our version of Maple, if it makes you feel better. ;)
06 17:00:00 Kratos1 lol.....yeah
06 17:00:00 Kratos1 luckily I don't need maple that often anymore
06 17:00:00 auchter curses pspice
06 17:01:00 Kratos1 yeah....
06 17:02:00 Kratos1 thank you EDM
06 17:02:00 auchter indeed, it's awful
06 17:03:00 Kratos1 haha, yeah....no looking forward to that install....
06 17:04:00 Kratos1 hey auchter you got a lab partner yet for signals?
06 17:09:00 Kratos1 bah, just gonna reboot into windows to do this...
06 17:15:00 MrBucket101 hey guys what's up
06 17:28:00 andy753421 .. the normal force
06 17:28:00 tommost andy753421++
06 20:44:00 shadghost hi!
06 21:02:00 kleinjt shadghost--
06 21:29:00 tommost kleinjt++
06 21:29:00 Morasique tommost+-
06 21:29:00 tommost :-/
06 22:21:00 Morasique i now have the best setup ever. i'm vnced into my desktop, which is running an xp virtual machine, which is vpned into my work network so i can remote desktop to my work machine
06 22:21:00 tommost How's the lag?
06 22:26:00 Morasique it works great, actually
06 22:26:00 Morasique although i might just be acclimated to 56k
06 22:27:00 tommost I'm VNC'd into a server in the room next door, and that is rather painful. So is rdesktop for the campus terminal server.
06 22:28:00 tommost (Of course, I use that for Outlook, so it's not really doing simple drawing.)
06 22:29:00 tommost_aorist Are you using compression or something?
06 22:33:00 auchter i rdesktop from off campus to the terminal servers, and the performance is quite good
06 22:35:00 auchter hah, i like how most conventions have fewer people and more bandwidth than rose
06 22:35:00 tommost What are you referring to?
06 22:36:00 auchter recent slashdot story
06 22:44:00 Morasique tommost: i don't think i'm doing anything special and everything seems to be fine. i don't use the campus terminal servers much but they work fine too iirc
06 22:45:00 tommost Yeah, all of my issues with them are with Outlook drawing it's pretty gradients slowly.
06 22:45:00 tommost And I use them at pretty high resolution, too.
07 01:38:00 tommost Ah, glorious ATI. Apparently I'm only entitled to a video overlay on *one* of my monitors.
07 02:11:00 tommost I think that I may need to start running my applications in a local xpra session—I have to restart X so often because of ATI.
07 02:16:00 auchter tommost: why do you need to restart X that much?
07 02:16:00 tommost Because sometimes I want a second monitor. Sometimes I want an overlay on the other monitor. Etc.
07 02:17:00 auchter ah. that sucks.
07 02:17:00 tommost Indeed. I need to set up a desktop for hosting monitors.
07 02:17:00 tommost Like I had last year.
07 02:18:00 tommost I may end up cannibalizing my server.
07 02:18:00 tommost Except that it doesn't have SATA.
07 02:18:00 tommost SATA is a never-ending problem for me.
07 02:20:00 Morasique you can't use xrandr?
07 02:20:00 tommost Nope, ATI.
07 02:20:00 tommost ATI--
07 02:20:00 Morasique i don't know anything about ATI, but i take it xrandr doesn't work with it
07 02:20:00 tommost Yeah.
07 02:20:00 Morasique sadness
07 02:21:00 tommost auchter: Have you experimented with the open-source driver lately?
07 02:22:00 auchter tommost: it's been a few months since i last used it. i didn't have any problems with it though
07 02:22:00 tommost Hmm. Do you know if it supports video overlays?
07 02:22:00 tommost (Or OpenGL.)
07 02:23:00 auchter no idea
07 02:23:00 auchter they have a pretty good wiki somewhere that probably covers it
07 02:23:00 tommost Any idea where I would find that?
07 02:24:00 auchter not off the top of my head, but i imagine searching for radeonhd might turn up some servicable results
07 02:24:00 tommost Thanks.
07 02:59:00 tommost Well, the version of radeonhd in the Ubuntu repositories doesn't appear to do dual head.
07 02:59:00 tommost Maybe I'll build a more recent version some day when I feel adventurous.
07 11:34:00 auchter woah, two new mersenne primes may have been found
07 13:08:00 Morasique neat, my 221 syllabus e-mail worked
07 13:09:00 auchter Morasique: heh, i just walked by mutchler's office and he was there
07 13:09:00 Morasique he just updated the page an hour ago, so apparently he decided to buckle down
07 13:19:00 Morasique i tried to open a help page on angel. i don't know why i'm surprised: http://www.mrozekma.com/angel.png
07 13:22:00 Morasique so the reason i've been waiting for the 221 syllabus is i told mutchler i would set up the gradebook for him on angel since he never uses angel. i should've expected something like this: http://pastebin.com/m7daeee5
07 13:23:00 tommost Mutchler++
07 13:29:00 auchter that is the craziest thing i've ever heard
07 13:34:00 Morasique i searched for "angel instructor's manual" on google, we're the second result. i'm starting to wonder if anybody else uses angel
07 13:36:00 auchter i know MSU does
07 13:36:00 Morasique i wish professors would stop putting font tags in the course titles. it doesn't work in the browser titlebar
07 13:36:00 Morasique auchter: good, at least we're not the only ones. everyone i know at other schools uses blackboard
07 13:39:00 tommost Does that suck less?
07 13:40:00 Morasique probably
07 13:40:00 Morasique it would be hard to suck more
07 13:40:00 Morasique as far as i can tell angel will let me specify a formula for each category, but not for the overall grade
07 13:40:00 Morasique that's inconvenient
07 13:43:00 Morasique i didn't know this, angel has variables you can use to embed information about the current user in the content. i would abuse that
07 13:51:00 Morasique this help page is even better: http://www.angellearning.com/Support/documents/end-users/angel_73/environmentvariables.asp
07 13:53:00 auchter Morasique: just read the source. oh, wait..
07 14:01:00 Morasique :)
07 15:41:00 TBoneULS tommost: completly random, but i have quite a few SATA pci cards if you want one
07 16:02:00 andy753421 so, installfest 2008-09-16?
07 16:03:00 Morasique did anybody ever get a room?
07 16:03:00 andy753421 and then an intro to linux session on 2008-09-23? (basic usage, etc)
07 16:03:00 andy753421 i have no idea, i'm just proposing the idea
07 16:03:00 andy753421 i remember talking about it but noone took notes for the meeting
07 16:03:00 Morasique well, we agreed on saturday the 13th i thought for the installfest
07 16:04:00 auchter yeah, this saturday
07 16:04:00 andy753421 alright, that works then
07 16:04:00 Morasique this is the first i've heard about an intro to linux session
07 16:04:00 andy753421 when where? i'll update the wiki
07 16:04:00 Morasique we don't have a room yet, i don't think we decided who was in charge of that. want me to get one?
07 16:04:00 andy753421 yes
07 16:05:00 Morasique what time?
07 16:05:00 andy753421 5:00 and we'll order pizza?
07 16:05:00 Morasique ok
07 16:05:00 andy753421 it'll have to be buy your own though :/
07 16:06:00 Morasique we still have no budget?
07 16:07:00 andy753421 nope, I'm not sure when the first SGA meeting is, but we need to go to that
07 16:07:00 Morasique didn't we have pizza last time? i don't remember
07 16:10:00 Morasique the first sga meeting is the 18th
07 16:10:00 Morasique oh, nevermind, this is last years calendar
07 16:11:00 Morasique so what's this intro to linux session?
07 16:13:00 andy753421 ok, sign up: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Installfest20080913
07 16:17:00 andy753421 Morasique: I want all the freshman robotics people on the software team to know how to use linux
07 16:17:00 andy753421 so I figured I'd push that off on the lug :)
07 16:18:00 andy753421 but it'd basically be stuff like how to use bash, what the filesystem is, and other very very general stuff
07 16:19:00 Morasique er. you're a junior now?
07 16:19:00 andy753421 hu?
07 16:20:00 Morasique you put junior on the sign up sheet
07 16:20:00 andy753421 oh, i copy pasted that actually
07 16:20:00 andy753421 we should put down laptop model instead of year
07 16:20:00 tommost TBoneULS: That would solve so many of my problems.
07 16:23:00 andy753421 Morasique: let us know when you find out about the room, we'll need to send out an e-mail about it
07 16:23:00 Morasique ok, i'll go annoy them tomorrow
07 17:33:00 Morasique sigh: http://www.mrozekma.com/angel2.png
07 17:48:00 Morasique i would pay angel learning if they would patch angel to let you have two courses open at once
07 18:11:00 auchter Morasique: i think we pay them enough
07 18:12:00 Morasique ok, we should stop paying angel learning until they patch angel to let you have two courses open at once
07 18:12:00 Morasique i've been known to take two or even three courses at the same time
07 19:14:00 tommost Morasique: If you haven't figured this out yet, Xpra doesn't complain that awesome isn't EWMH-compliant if you build it from the trunk.
07 19:29:00 Morasique oh, ok. i'm just using vnc instead, it serves the same purpose for me
07 19:32:00 TBoneULS tommost: so you would be interested in a SATA card?
07 19:32:00 TBoneULS 2 port enough?
07 19:36:00 tommost Yeah.
07 19:36:00 tommost How did you acquire so many?
07 19:36:00 TBoneULS work a year ago i think
07 19:37:00 TBoneULS what do you think they're work, i was thinking $3-5?
07 19:37:00 TBoneULS i mean't worth, not work, i reread that and it made no sense
07 19:38:00 TBoneULS gah, im typing like sam today
07 19:38:00 tommost :)
07 19:38:00 TBoneULS how do you want to aquire it, ie how soon do you need it?
07 19:39:00 tommost I can use it ASAP, but I don't have a car or anything.
07 19:39:00 TBoneULS where do you live? i can prob drop it by tomorrow
07 19:39:00 tommost Percopo 207.
07 19:40:00 tommost If you have one that's low-profile, that would be great.
07 19:40:00 TBoneULS i think they are, im not sure
07 19:40:00 TBoneULS let me go locate one
07 19:43:00 TBoneULS it is low profile, but doesn't include the shorter bracket if that makes any sense
07 19:44:00 tommost Yeah, that's fine.
07 19:44:00 tommost I don't have a proper low-profile case anyway.
07 19:44:00 TBoneULS will you be around either around 11:30 or around 1:30?
07 19:44:00 TBoneULS tomorrow
07 19:46:00 tommost I get out of class at 11:45, eat lunch, and then I'll be in my room all afternoon.
07 19:46:00 TBoneULS k, i get out of class at 1:30 so ill drop it by on my way home
07 19:46:00 tommost Okay.
07 19:48:00 tommost What command would I use to set the title of a terminal window?
07 19:51:00 Morasique you use escape characters for it
07 19:52:00 Morasique echo -ne "\033]0;TITLE\007"
07 19:52:00 Morasique or you could leave. that's cool too
07 19:52:00 Morasique echo -ne "\033]0;TITLE\007"
07 19:52:00 tommost Cool, thanks.
07 19:53:00 tommost (I was restarting Pidgin to make its tray icon appear.)
07 19:53:00 Morasique ah
07 19:54:00 tommost Cool, screen even maintains the title when you disconnect.
07 19:54:00 tommost I think that I may start running everything in Xpra so that I can change my video settings more easily.
07 19:54:00 Morasique i run as much as possible on my desktop now in vnc sessions
07 19:55:00 tommost All Xpra needs now is clipboard sharing.
07 19:55:00 tommost I wonder how difficult that would be to add...
07 19:56:00 auchter step 1. consider how horrible clipboards are in linux
07 19:56:00 tommost I also need a way for awesome to remember where everything is.
07 19:56:00 Morasique like, which tag?
07 19:56:00 Morasique it can do that
07 19:56:00 tommost When I kill X?
07 19:57:00 Morasique oh, no. you can tell it to put certain things on certain tags, that's what i do
07 19:57:00 Morasique you could write a script to do it i bet, awesome-client and get and set information like that
07 19:57:00 Morasique s/and/can/
07 19:57:00 tommost Hmm.
07 19:59:00 tommost Couldn't I just run awesome in an Xpra session?
07 20:00:00 Morasique but run the windows on your laptop? they would still die when you closed X
07 20:01:00 tommost I'm running the windows in a screen session.
07 20:01:00 Morasique you could run everyone on your remote machine if you want, but then your laptop is just a really expensive dumb terminal
07 20:01:00 tommost Yeah, and considering it's the fastest machine I have...
07 20:01:00 Morasique why do you need to switch X configurations so often?
07 20:02:00 tommost Addition/removal of monitors, mainly. Also wanting the video overlay to work on the other monitor.
07 20:03:00 Morasique you could have it just act like the other monitors are always there. i don't know what's wrong with your video overlay
07 20:04:00 tommost The ATI drivers only allow an overlay on one monitor.
07 20:04:00 Morasique very windows-y
07 20:05:00 tommost Indeed.
07 20:08:00 Morasique i used to have 4 virtual desktops on ubuntu, and that was sufficient, i used all of them but never thought "i need more". and now i have nine tags, and i use all of them. i should keep increasing my tags to see how many i'll actually use
07 20:11:00 andy753421 I have unlimited tags, but i only really use one at a time..
07 20:12:00 andy753421 although, i think that's because wmii has somewhat of a 'minimize' feature
07 20:12:00 Morasique how do you have unlimited tags?
07 20:13:00 Morasique ah. i used to miss minimize, but now i just throw things on other tags
07 20:14:00 andy753421 I press Alt+t then type a tag name and my desktop switches to that tag
07 20:15:00 andy753421 or i pres Alt+Shift+t then type a tag name to tag the window with that tag
07 20:19:00 Morasique ah. that seems slow, is there a way to get to them directly?
07 20:19:00 Morasique well, i guess it doesn't matter if you only use one at a time
07 20:20:00 auchter just alt-#, same as dwm and awesome
07 20:20:00 auchter alt-t brings up a dmenu with the tag names, so switching to a tag with a name is fast, too (though i only use numbered tags)
07 20:32:00 jboticsourc1 http://pr.willowgarage.com/
07 21:05:00 auchter "The enormous popularity of the Microsoft Windows operating system should attest to the ease of use of a graphics-based interface compared to a text-based interface."
07 21:07:00 andy753421 bitlbee seems pretty cool
07 21:08:00 auchter i've been meaning to give it a try for a while now
07 21:08:00 Morasique auchter: where is that satanic quote from?
07 21:09:00 auchter "Schematic Capture with Cadence PSpice"
07 21:10:00 auchter so, my EDM professor.
07 21:11:00 auchter also, on the homework, he says: "The use of Maple or the big gun is prohibited."
07 21:11:00 auchter i'm assuming that "big gun" means pspice, but i'm not entirely sure.
07 21:15:00 Morasique it's the iphone!
07 21:15:00 MrBucket101 how can you tell
07 21:15:00 Morasique i could feel hatred when you joined
07 21:15:00 Morasique it gave it away
07 21:15:00 MrBucket101 when I'm mobile or not? my IP?
07 21:15:00 auchter of course
07 21:15:00 auchter and we know it's the iphone, because you can't tether the damn thing and use a decent irc client
07 21:16:00 Morasique the 'mobile' username
07 21:16:00 MrBucket101 im not running too bad of a client colloQ, only thing I can't see is the membernlist and topic
07 21:16:00 Morasique MWAHAHAHAHAHA
07 21:17:00 MrBucket101 scratches head
07 21:18:00 Morasique MrBucket101: i banned everyone with the 'mobile' username
07 21:18:00 Morasique try /names to get the memberlist and /topic to get the topic
07 21:18:00 MrBucket101 that's what I thought, but I
07 21:18:00 MrBucket101 didn't get kicked
07 21:18:00 Morasique you don't get kicked if you're banned, you just can't join
07 21:18:00 MrBucket101 LOL so
07 21:18:00 MrBucket101 when I
07 21:18:00 MrBucket101 leave I'm fucked
07 21:19:00 kleinjt he removed the ban
07 21:19:00 Morasique well, i unbanned it about 5 seconds later, so you're good
07 21:19:00 MrBucket101 haha okay hood
07 21:19:00 MrBucket101 good***
07 21:21:00 MrBucket101 (/names and /topic do nothing)
07 21:23:00 Morasique suck
07 21:24:00 MrBucket101 yea but at least I got something to do on my 14 he bus ride home
07 21:24:00 MrBucket101 hr*** damn spellcheck
07 21:24:00 kleinjt 14 hour bus ride? pfft. that's nothing.
07 21:25:00 auchter here we go..
07 21:25:00 MrBucket101 we drove around lake Michigan this weekend I don't wanna hear it
07 21:25:00 Morasique oops
07 21:25:00 Morasique MrBucket101: /raw NAMES #rhlug
07 21:25:00 Morasique that works?
07 21:26:00 kleinjt when I drove down for freshman year, it took me seven days
07 21:26:00 MrBucket101 I'm on a bus! top speed 60
07 21:27:00 Morasique maybe you should live in the continental united states
07 21:27:00 kleinjt in canada they don't have roads, you take polar bear taxis
07 21:27:00 MrBucket101 lol
07 21:27:00 kleinjt and if you don't tip well, you get eaten
07 21:27:00 MrBucket101 your Canadian I didn't know that
07 21:27:00 kleinjt I'm not canadian
07 21:27:00 MrBucket101 sooo?
07 21:28:00 kleinjt soo? I drove through it to get here
07 21:28:00 auchter MrBucket101: he's russian
07 21:28:00 Morasique i *knew it*
07 21:29:00 MrBucket101 wth you drove
07 21:29:00 MrBucket101 from Russia?
07 21:29:00 MrBucket101 why
07 21:29:00 Morasique MrBucket101--
07 21:29:00 Morasique -- -- -- --
07 21:29:00 MrBucket101 LOL
07 21:29:00 Morasique tommost: can i stack --'s?
07 21:29:00 auchter MrBucket101: god (dmr) says no.
07 21:29:00 kleinjt auchter: my car only does 10mph over the Bering Staight
07 21:29:00 kleinjt s/staight/straight
07 21:30:00 auchter s/straight/strait/
07 21:30:00 Morasique wow
07 21:30:00 MrBucket101 LOL, I meant like flew from Russia to Canada or whatever
07 21:30:00 MrBucket101 not drive across water
07 21:31:00 MrBucket101 MrBucket101 ++ ++
07 21:31:00 MrBucket101 LOL even though it won't work of makes me feel vetted
07 21:31:00 MrBucket101 s/vetted/better
07 21:32:00 Morasique especially with the spaces
07 21:33:00 Morasique for science: tommost------------
07 21:33:00 Morasique damn
07 21:33:00 Morasique it didn't even deduct one, that's odd
07 21:34:00 Morasique :D shadghost is at -1 and he's said 3 characters
07 21:34:00 MrBucket101 oh well I'm not getting back till around 7am... so my trip is worse
07 21:34:00 kleinjt you are on a bus right now?
07 21:35:00 Morasique yeah, but his destination is worse. do you know how cold it gets in russia?
07 21:35:00 auchter shadghost--
07 21:35:00 tommost Morasique: Bad syntax won't get you anywhere. For science: --Morasique--
07 21:35:00 kleinjt s/you/are you
07 21:36:00 Morasique kleinjt: you were right the first time
07 21:36:00 Morasique auchter++
07 21:36:00 kleinjt Morasique: No, I don't. All the thermometers break.
07 21:37:00 Morasique it's a common problem
07 21:37:00 Morasique according to my russian friends
07 21:37:00 kleinjt Morasique: I was? I figured I'd rephrase my question so it does imply that I'm assuming an outcome.
07 21:38:00 Morasique you rephrased it to "are you are on a bus right now?"
07 21:38:00 MrBucket101 yes I'm on a bus right this second
07 21:38:00 kleinjt Morasique: thanks for pointing that out. I only needed to change the word order
07 21:39:00 Morasique we should adopt vim syntax for fixing typos
07 21:39:00 Morasique dawwP
07 21:39:00 MrBucket101 meh I like gediy better
07 21:40:00 Morasique i use emacs, i was kidding
07 21:40:00 MrBucket101 I
07 21:41:00 MrBucket101 oh** I hate how this autocorrects as I type
07 21:41:00 Morasique you hate how an apple product assumes you're stupid and actively makes you less productive? interesting
07 21:42:00 auchter Morasique++
07 21:42:00 kleinjt s/apple product/gnome
07 21:44:00 hollanbm I didn't leave
07 21:44:00 hollanbm gah it happened again
07 21:44:00 Morasique ...?
07 21:44:00 hollanbm my client auto switched my name.. again
07 21:44:00 Morasique oh. strange
07 21:45:00 andy753421 ircsrv is being strange..
07 21:45:00 hollanbm insert apple comment by morasique
07 21:45:00 hollanbm andy: really I thought it was on my end
07 21:45:00 Morasique i think colloQ is non-apple actually
07 21:45:00 andy753421 hollanbm: what?
07 21:46:00 Morasique andy753421: he thinks you're talking about his nick changing
07 21:46:00 andy753421 oh, i'm talking about two copies of irc acting strangly together
07 21:46:00 andy753421 and also ignoring private messages :(
07 21:46:00 hollanbm oh
07 21:47:00 hollanbm morasique: I normally use X-Chat anyways
07 21:48:00 Morasique i like xchat
07 21:48:00 MrBucket101 what client do u use
07 21:49:00 MrBucket101 like as in use it?
07 21:49:00 auchter irssi ftw
07 21:50:00 kleinjt1 My connection is not very reliable...
07 21:52:00 MrBucket101 I figured out why my nick changes
07 21:52:00 Morasique i use irssi now because i keep it in a screen session, but i used to use xchat
07 21:52:00 Morasique kleinjt: no kidding, you're using verizon
07 21:52:00 Morasique :)
07 21:52:00 MrBucket101 it happens when I loose service but don't properly disconnect
07 21:53:00 kleinjt Morasique: yep.. I wish I was back on GCI
07 21:54:00 MrBucket101 why are you using verizon for Internet Klein?
07 21:54:00 Morasique they have a monopoly in russia
07 21:54:00 kleinjt MrBucket101: because I haven't set up a freespace optical or acoustically coupled modem link to my server in Myers yet.
07 21:54:00 Morasique (i should really stop)
07 21:55:00 MrBucket101 I really wish I knew what those are, they sound kool
07 21:55:00 auchter time warner's business class cable is rather nice
07 21:56:00 kleinjt auchter: What is the monthly rate?
07 21:56:00 auchter more than i care to remember right now
07 21:57:00 Morasique auchter: is it more difficult to remember higher numbers?
07 22:04:00 andy753421 hey, i think it's actually working this time
07 22:12:00 andy_plan9 if anyone wants to play with biltbee feel free to connect to andy753421.ath.cx:6667
07 22:12:00 andy_plan9 although, i don't know how authentication works so you might get all your passwords stored on my server in plain text..
07 22:18:00 andy_plan9 auchter: have you done anything with reinstalling the plan9 server?
07 22:22:00 jboticsourc1 this is knida funny
07 22:22:00 jboticsourc1 http://teddziuba.com/2008/09/a-web-os-are-you-dense.html
07 22:27:00 tommost Quite amusing.
07 22:30:00 andy_plan9 alightly amusing, although tye still missed the point that html/javascript/css just sucks at application development
07 22:31:00 tommost Depends on the application. But yeah, online "office suites" are lame.
07 22:31:00 tommost And it isn't really any easier.
07 22:31:00 tommost What web developers call web apps and what he's talking about aren't really the same thing.
07 22:40:00 auchter andy_plan9: no, i haven't had the time yet
07 22:41:00 auchter i'm going to set that machine up as a file server (though the hard drive's a bit small, only 80GB)
07 22:42:00 auchter once tom gets me the other machine, i'll set it up as a cpu/auth server
07 23:10:00 tommost Well, that was fun. Apparently Pidgin in Xpra on my server doesn't like scrolling.
07 23:34:00 kleinjt2 My internet is failing hard tonight, I think I'll give up for the night.
07 23:45:00 Morasique wow. my screen is filled with tommost and kleinjt connecting and disconnecting
07 23:45:00 tommost kleinjt should do his IRC on addiator or something.
08 00:01:00 auchter pidgin lightweight? hah! even my terminals aren't lightweight enough for me!
08 00:01:00 tommost ref: https://rhitrobotics.org/wiki/internal/joining-irc
08 00:02:00 tommost A terminal is involved: https://rhitrobotics.org/attachment/wiki/internal/joining-irc/screenshot2.png
08 00:02:00 auchter ctxt: http://rafb.net/p/YHWTdR58.html
08 00:02:00 shadghost wtf is with this karma giveing out to me when i have not even talked
08 00:02:00 auchter shadghost--
08 00:03:00 shadghost karmastats
08 00:03:00 shadghost #karmastats
08 00:03:00 shadghost luglog: karma
08 00:03:00 tommost What are you doing?
08 00:03:00 shadghost to retreave karmastats
08 00:03:00 auchter shadghost: meet luglog: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/luglog.sh
08 00:04:00 tommost We don't have a bot that does that. Good idea, though.
08 00:04:00 auchter we try to not bloat it
08 00:04:00 shadghost karmastats in my expriance gave the highest and lowest
08 00:07:00 andy753421 the closest I've come to bloating luglog was when I was thinking about it wgetting any links to youtube and kickbanning anyone who posted a link to a rick roll
08 00:08:00 Morasique tommost: not a good idea. i wrote that bot before the tracking was in logview, and decided we didn't need any more bots in here and never used it
08 00:08:00 auchter i like the idea of a bunch of specialized bots, a herd if you will
08 00:08:00 tommost You should have done that.
08 00:08:00 shadghost_eeepc like jon!
08 00:08:00 tommost Yeah, Jon needs to get off his ass and harass us.
08 00:10:00 Morasique a pluggable bot would be cool, one bot that anybody could submit scripts to to add functionality
08 00:10:00 andy753421 yes, because that would be secure :P
08 00:10:00 andy753421 (actually, i was planning to do something like that at one point)
08 00:10:00 tommost andy753421: Actually, you are the perfect person to implement it. ;)
08 00:17:00 Morasique well, i feel #rhlug is trustworthy :)
08 00:17:00 Morasique except shadghost_eeepc of course
08 00:30:00 shadghost_eeepc and shadghost_eeepc does not know how to code
08 00:33:00 tommost Well then, it's settled. Morasique will build a bot that embeds Spidermonkey to allow us to script it in JavaScript.
08 00:33:00 andy753421 and I will kill -9 it..
08 00:33:00 Morasique if i was going to write a bot, it would not accept javascript input
08 00:34:00 tommost Why not?
08 00:34:00 Morasique because i avoid javascript outside of webpages
08 00:34:00 tommost You don't like it?
08 00:35:00 Morasique not particularly
08 00:35:00 Morasique it might not be bad if i learned it more
08 00:35:00 andy753421 are there any decent non-web-browser implementations?
08 00:35:00 andy753421 and can it actually no non-web-browser stuff?
08 00:35:00 andy753421 (like fopen?)
08 00:35:00 tommost Oh, certainly.
08 00:36:00 tommost I'm not aware of any implementations that are useful for shell scripting or anything, though.
08 00:36:00 andy753421 s/shell scripting or//
08 00:36:00 tommost No, it's useful for embedding.
08 00:36:00 shadghost_eeepc woot $2k+ newegg order
08 00:37:00 shadghost_eeepc (80% not for me)
08 00:37:00 tommost shadghost_eeepc--
08 00:38:00 tommost Rhino can be used to embed it in Java programs. SpiderMonkey can be used to embed it in C, C++, Python, Perl, etc.
08 00:38:00 tommost (Spidermonkey is Mozilla's C implementation of JavaScript.)
08 00:39:00 kleinjt shadghost_eeepc--
08 00:39:00 shadghost_eeepc WOW@@@
08 00:40:00 Morasique kleinjt++
08 00:40:00 tommost JavaScript is sort of like Lua; who uses Lua for shell scripting?
08 00:44:00 shadghost_eeepc should have never introduced karma
08 00:44:00 tommost Well, the results fully in keeping with the spirit of karma.
08 01:07:00 Morasique tommost++
08 01:07:00 Morasique .... shadghost_eeepc--
08 01:21:00 tommost swansom++
08 01:34:00 Morasique i like this new anarchic karma system
08 08:02:00 andy_plan9 I think drawterm + ircsrv + bitlbee is going to be quite nice for going between classes
08 09:15:00 tommost imagines a world where Xpra works well with Pidgin
08 10:05:00 Morasique so according to the annoying woman in the registrar that also likes to tell me i can't switch classes, we need a faculty member to get a new olin room. i tried telling her this rule has never existed, but she's rather adamant. do we usually get mellor to lie and say he'll be there?
08 10:11:00 octavious yeah, i just told her mellor would be there at one point, heh
08 10:23:00 Morasique do we generally let mellor know?\
08 10:36:00 Morasique i updated timezone-data and my clock jumped forward an hour, i was wondering how it was already 11:30
08 11:31:00 collinjc Did we ever get a room set for this Saturday? If we can't get O259, maybe we should just do it in the CS lab.
08 11:32:00 collinjc We can always have installation instructions on the projector.
08 11:32:00 collinjc I'm not sure if the tablets are in 259 anyway.
08 11:36:00 Morasique collinjc: i got in an argument with the registrar, according to octavious i'm just supposed to lie to her
08 11:36:00 collinjc Morasique: Sounds fine to me. I'm okay with that.
08 11:36:00 collinjc We need to get an email out soon, which requires a room.
08 11:37:00 collinjc Or we could follow campus tradition and send out multiple emails with the first being a notification of the event, and the second being a correction to the first, including the correct room.
08 11:41:00 collinjc We can even take things further like Cary Laxer here and send out a reminder on the day of the event.
08 11:48:00 Morasique i really wish they would stop those reminder e-mails
08 11:48:00 Morasique and yeah, i'm going back to the registrar soon so i'll let you know about the room
08 11:49:00 auchter speaking of correction emails...
08 11:49:00 auchter glares at tommost
08 11:49:00 tommost cowers
08 11:50:00 tommost I just got another e-mail from someone asking where the meeting is.
08 11:51:00 tommost Ooo... and an unsubscribe notification.
08 11:52:00 collinjc Obviously the email titled [RT] Meeting location is being buried under other emails. You should send five more copies to just that person. That way it will stick out in the inbox.
08 11:53:00 auchter we can be assholes to them after they join
08 11:53:00 tommost I think that I should write a script to do my job with regards to e-mails. It would have a form that requires me to enter all of the essential information so that I can't forget any of it.
08 11:53:00 tommost Then we could use it to replace Blazeix for the LUG.
08 11:55:00 tommost I could even make it be fed by an iCalendar file.
08 11:58:00 collinjc tommost: I'm not sure if this could be awesome or horribly bad.
08 12:02:00 collinjc On an unrelated note, where is the best place to buy CD-Rs in Terre Haute? I had planned to start burning discs yesterday, but quickly found that all of mine are DVD-Rs.
08 12:03:00 octavious wow, 1X works alot better than the last time i tried it
08 12:03:00 octavious at least my keyboard still works
08 12:04:00 auchter yeah, 1x has been great for me this year
08 12:04:00 auchter i had a ton of issues last year
08 12:05:00 auchter not sure if this can be attributed to better drivers or IAIT
08 12:10:00 tommost Note to self: never ever ever use the word "tomorrow" in a meeting notification, even in conjunction with a date that makes it seemingly unambiguous.
08 12:37:00 Morasique tommost: you need to overspecify the date as much as possible, that maximizes the opportunities to screw up. don't you know anything about rose e-mail?
08 12:37:00 Morasique say "tomorrow, wednesday september the 14th"
08 13:02:00 tommost I said "tomorrow, 9 September" in an e-mail set just after midnight.
08 13:19:00 Morasique we've got O259 Saturday at 5pm
08 13:20:00 Morasique I'll get Blazeix to send out an e-mail when I see him next if he doesn't join anytime soon
08 13:20:00 Morasique It should probably mention the wiki page where we're doing sign ups
08 13:53:00 auchter anyone know if the ECE department has any desoldering irons or anything?
08 13:56:00 collinjc I don't know if they do or not, but I have one at my apartment.
08 14:45:00 Morasique oh no, angel forums went web 2.0
08 14:46:00 Morasique hey, i found a bug. that took all of 15 seconds
08 14:47:00 tommost Angel++~
08 14:55:00 Morasique so far this hour wollowski has made fun of people who don't believe in global warming and said emacs is the only editor worth using
08 14:55:00 Morasique i love this guy
08 15:00:00 auchter boo for the emacs comment
08 15:08:00 Morasique crr and i are fighting over the best first move to make in tic tac toe
08 15:08:00 Morasique crr--. take that
08 15:09:00 tommost Sorry, it doesn't like punctuation.
08 15:09:00 Morasique what the heck :)
08 15:09:00 Morasique this seems not hard to write, /[valid-usernames](++|--)/
08 15:09:00 auchter what's there to argue about, corner's rock
08 15:09:00 Morasique wtf, no, center is the best move
08 15:09:00 Morasique i can't believe this is happening :)
08 15:09:00 tommost That wouldn't be too difficult to fix. The case that I was trying to avoid was a long dash between words.
08 15:09:00 Morasique ah
08 15:10:00 auchter crr++
08 15:10:00 auchter (if he's sane and arguing for corner
08 15:10:00 Morasique crr-- since my first one didn't count apparently
08 15:10:00 Morasique yahoo answers says center. that proves it
08 15:10:00 tommost Morasique--
08 15:11:00 Morasique i need to rig it so i automatically downvote anybody that downvotes me
08 15:11:00 tommost Morasique--
08 15:11:00 Morasique :'(
08 15:11:00 tommost Morasique++
08 15:11:00 Morasique i'm approaching shadghost-levels
08 15:11:00 tommost pities you
08 15:11:00 auchter http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080808104754AADzFEQ yahoo answers ftw
08 15:11:00 Morasique yeah, i get that a lot
08 15:11:00 tommost auchter--
08 15:12:00 Morasique tommost: you should click the link first
08 15:12:00 auchter yeah. i expect karma in return
08 15:12:00 tommost ++auchter++
08 15:13:00 tommost "Quantavious"
08 15:14:00 auchter shadghost--
08 15:14:00 Morasique auchter++
08 15:14:00 tommost Morasique: Better idea: rig a bot do downvote shadghost every time you get downvoted.
08 15:15:00 tommost s/do/to
08 15:15:00 shadghost auchter--
08 15:15:00 shadghost auchter--
08 15:15:00 tommost ++auchter++
08 15:16:00 auchter apparently the logview doesn't support pre and postfix incrementation
08 15:17:00 auchter Morasique++
08 15:17:00 Morasique that was strangely cathartic
08 15:17:00 Morasique oh. oops
08 15:17:00 Morasique just in case
08 15:17:00 tommost You can do more than one at once, you know.
08 15:17:00 Morasique tommost: i did
08 15:18:00 auchter i tried and it failed
08 15:18:00 tommost Ah.
08 15:18:00 Morasique the protocol only supports one at a time, so i guess it's client-side
08 15:19:00 Morasique although i thought we both used irssi, so that's odd
08 15:20:00 auchter oh, i used /mode +v instead of /voice
08 15:20:00 Morasique oh, no, only one of mine worked. i assumed since i got no error it had done them all
08 15:20:00 Morasique i did too
08 15:20:00 tommost The Myers 2 printer fails at printing.
08 15:20:00 auchter i think /voice will let you voice multiple
08 15:20:00 Morasique ah
08 15:20:00 auchter tommost: it's out of paper
08 15:20:00 tommost That explains it.
08 15:20:00 Morasique why are people in myers all the time? i think i've been in myers 3 times ever
08 15:20:00 tommost I'm in the robotics lab.
08 15:26:00 tommost I don't have a desk in my dorm room because I haven't finished building it yet.
08 15:27:00 tommost OMG Angel knows about the <label> tag!
08 15:28:00 tommost I am impressed.
08 15:59:00 Morasique tommost: that tag is shamefully underused
08 16:04:00 shadghost stabes Morasique
08 16:13:00 tommost Stabeing... scary.
08 16:13:00 shadghost gives tommost a cookie
08 16:14:00 tommost Oh, that's all I need. Another thing for logview to count.
08 16:14:00 shadghost !!!
08 16:15:00 shadghost so now cookies and karma!
08 16:15:00 tommost I'm going to defer this one to someone taking AI.
08 16:15:00 tommost looks at Morasique
08 16:16:00 shadghost hugs Morasique
08 16:16:00 tommost Not another one!
08 16:17:00 shadghost hugs tommost
08 16:19:00 shadghost hugs jboticsource
08 16:26:00 MrBucket101 http://trunks.fireball20xl.com/twats/comic/comics/096.jpg
08 16:26:00 MrBucket101 i saw that and thought of all the shit you guys gave me about my iPhone
08 16:26:00 shadghost hugs MrBucket101
08 16:27:00 tommost You're a bit late with that link; it has come up before.
08 16:29:00 MrBucket101 aww really
08 16:29:00 MrBucket101 well it was new to me
08 16:30:00 Morasique i'd forgotten about the hugging
08 16:30:00 tommost Yes, shadghost isn't all bad.
08 16:30:00 tommost Sometimes he's creepy too. ;)
08 16:31:00 MrBucket101 haha
08 16:32:00 MrBucket101 isnt he the guy whose only said 3 lines?
08 16:32:00 shadghost i have said more
08 16:32:00 shadghost just before your time
08 16:32:00 tommost 25.
08 16:32:00 tommost http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#scoreboard
08 16:34:00 MrBucket101 thx for the voice?
08 16:34:00 tommost auchter: Don't want him taking your place on the scoreboard?
08 16:34:00 auchter of course not
08 16:34:00 MrBucket101 lol you gave every one but ghost voice i just noticed
08 16:34:00 tommost LOL you said lol...
08 16:34:00 Morasique LOL!!!!!
08 16:35:00 auchter ugh.
08 16:35:00 tommost I am cruel.
08 16:35:00 Morasique i'm seriously going to organize torture auchter days
08 16:35:00 Morasique one of our activities will be saying LOL!!! all the time
08 16:38:00 MrBucket101 is there a movement against lol in here?
08 16:38:00 MrBucket101 i have a bad habit of using it too much
08 16:39:00 tommost Our recently departed friend does, too.
08 16:39:00 Morasique many people do, that's the argument
08 16:39:00 Morasique my dad ends every sentence in his e-mails with "lol". i'm not sure he even knows what it stands for
08 16:39:00 MrBucket101 haha
08 18:04:00 collinjc Morasique: What just happened?
08 18:13:00 TBoneULS tommost: i give the card to your suitemate, as you were not there when i stopped by
08 18:20:00 tommost Oh, thanks. Sorry about that.
08 18:21:00 tommost Did he give you money?
08 18:27:00 Morasique collinjc: auchter made the channel moderated
08 18:27:00 Morasique it's an anti-shadghost measure
08 18:27:00 Morasique shadghost--
08 18:27:00 auchter Morasique++ shadghost--
08 18:36:00 Morasique auchter: risky move
08 18:43:00 auchter i just had a superb dinner, so i'm in a rather good move
08 18:44:00 auchter s/v/d
08 18:45:00 tommost Puns‽
08 18:52:00 shadghost hugs everyojne
08 19:00:00 Mishtal http://www.core77.com/challenge/humanpower/pages/1155_2.htm
08 19:00:00 Mishtal fascinating
08 19:01:00 tommost Link certified safe.
08 19:09:00 auchter s/safe/unrealistic/
08 19:09:00 auchter tommost: and very nice pun by the way
08 19:11:00 tommost Well, by safe I meant "it isn't a pig being hacked up with a chainsaw". I'm not exactly vouching for its quality. And thank you.
08 19:23:00 Mishtal lmao
08 19:23:00 Mishtal tommost are you still working on the cyan project?
08 19:24:00 tommost No, I'm TAing this quarter. I'm hoping to return winter quarter, though, circumstances permitting.
08 19:25:00 Mishtal ok. i ask because cyan just stole one of my teammates. lol.
08 19:26:00 tommost Who?
08 19:28:00 Mishtal JP verkamp
08 19:28:00 tommost Hmmm... not sure who that is.
08 19:29:00 Morasique does anybody use bridge networking? i can't figure out how to do the routing tables right
08 19:29:00 Mishtal he was my roommate last year
08 19:29:00 tommost I'm guessing that I know who he is, I just don't know his name.
08 19:29:00 kleinpa bridge networking shouldnt use routing tables at all
08 19:30:00 Morasique all networking uses routing tables, the bridge is just screwing them up somehow
08 19:31:00 kleinpa if it is truely bridged, it should be entire layer 2
08 19:31:00 kleinpa what is your setup?
08 19:31:00 Morasique i'm trying to get virtualbox to get a separate ip address, so i pretty much copied the configuration from the gentoo wiki article on virtualbox
08 19:32:00 tommost I don't see why you'd need routing tables for that.
08 19:33:00 Morasique well, i don't know what the issue is. when i start the bridge it gets a separate IP, and then i can't do anything, i can't ping anywhere
08 19:35:00 Morasique i am a moron
08 19:35:00 Morasique i forgot to disable eth0
08 19:36:00 Morasique i'm going to go finish setting it up, thanks for the help
08 19:37:00 tommost kleinpa: Well, that was easy. :)
08 19:37:00 kleinpa yay for my minor knowledge of networking
08 19:38:00 kleinpa and past experience of getting really pissed at bridging
08 19:40:00 bolandmg Explaining that pounds are really slugs times feet per second squared to a European is an interesting adventure.
08 19:40:00 Morasique any idea why my ip address won't stay constant?
08 19:40:00 auchter english units--
08 19:40:00 Morasique i get a different one everytime i run dhcpcd
08 19:41:00 auchter Morasique: then stop running it
08 19:41:00 Morasique auchter: very helpful :)
08 19:41:00 auchter actually i had the same problem recently on a bridged interface
08 19:41:00 Morasique did you fix it?
08 19:41:00 auchter it worked fine at home with openbsd's dhcpd, but here with a crappy router it's changed twice on me in a few days...
08 19:42:00 auchter no, i haven't
08 19:42:00 Morasique hmm
08 19:42:00 Morasique i choose to blame rose
08 19:42:00 auchter i didn't even realize it was happening until now, actually
08 19:42:00 Morasique i don't restart my desktop very often, i can just ignore it i guess
08 19:44:00 auchter i don't either, i think my server may have picked up a new IP when its lease expired... i'll have to look into this some more
08 19:44:00 auchter another likely option is that i'm imagining the whole thing
08 19:45:00 Morasique well it's not a lease thing, i can keep restarting the connection and getting new ips, that didn't happen with eth0, i always got the same one
08 19:46:00 TBoneULS tommost: he did not give me money. we can work that out on thursday, something cheap will suffice
08 19:47:00 tommost Sure. Do you want cash or hardware?
08 19:47:00 TBoneULS hmm we'll talk on thursday, a few dollars should work, unless you have something i can use...
08 19:47:00 tommost Okay.
08 20:11:00 tommost Can I get IAIT to replace my trackpoint nub?
08 20:11:00 tommost It just lost all rubber in the center.
08 20:11:00 auchter file a ticket asking them
08 20:11:00 tommost Of course. :D
08 20:11:00 andy753421 it might be easier to just walk down and ask
08 20:11:00 andy753421 since it's less work for them to just give you another nub than to deal with a support ticket..
08 20:11:00 auchter they've replaced my nub when i brought it in for an unrelated issue
08 20:12:00 auchter so i imagine they would
08 20:12:00 tommost Yeah, and they've been slow to respond to tickets lately.
08 20:13:00 tommost I'll do that tomorrow.
08 20:13:00 auchter the ticket suggestion was a joke, i was wondering if you realized that or not
08 20:13:00 tommost I need to increase the sensitivity of it. It's painful to use, which is doubly painful since the pad is configured for circular scrolling only.
08 20:14:00 tommost auchter: Did your config include really unsensitive settings for the trackpoint?
08 20:14:00 auchter by trackpoint, do you mean the nub or the pad?
08 20:15:00 tommost The nub.
08 20:16:00 auchter i don't have the nub enabled
08 20:16:00 tommost Hmm. Must be the default, then.
08 20:38:00 auchter so if the installfest is 5:00 saturday, i can forsee quite a few people (likely freshmen mostly) not coming because of the lack of food
08 20:38:00 tommost Yeah, why is it Saturday?
08 20:39:00 auchter we decided on saturday at the last meeting
08 20:39:00 auchter but i think 5PM is a tad late
08 20:39:00 tommost Yeah, that was silly.
08 20:39:00 auchter so, do you have a better suggestion?
08 20:41:00 tommost Are you addressing me?
08 20:41:00 auchter yes
08 20:42:00 tommost I vote 2:00 p.m., because then I could attend.
08 20:42:00 tommost Then we could just have cookies.
08 20:42:00 tommost Which are cheaper than real food.
08 20:43:00 tommost Or we could have it on a weekday, like Thursday.
08 20:43:00 tommost Which is just better all-around.
08 20:43:00 auchter well, we're kind of having one on thursday
08 20:43:00 andy753421 we are?
08 20:43:00 tommost We're having two?
08 20:43:00 auchter speaking of which, should i burn some ubuntu cds?
08 20:43:00 auchter checks the log
08 20:44:00 andy753421 are the ones from the last installfest still up-to-date?
08 20:44:00 tommost Yeah, we're still on 8.04.
08 20:44:00 tommost Someone should work on those Roseification scripts, though.
08 20:44:00 andy753421 alright, i can get those from Dr. Defoe tomorrow
08 20:44:00 andy753421 but we may want a few more
08 20:44:00 auchter http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#line-1347
08 20:44:00 Mishtal @ lug in general. id like to mention that one of the assignments for Dynamic Memory Reclamation is to have linux installed. thats due this friday. just a heads up
08 20:45:00 andy753421 could we just have the installfest after the regular meeting? (around 6:00 or so?)
08 20:46:00 Morasique er. wtf, didn't somebody tell him we were doing it saturday?
08 20:46:00 auchter that will probably be better
08 20:46:00 Mishtal no. he most certainly said in class today that it was thursday @ 5:15
08 20:46:00 tommost I like that idea.
08 20:47:00 Morasique except that 5:15pm is our meeting time
08 20:47:00 auchter do we want to still have it in a new olin room, or just stick with the cs lab since we'll be there anyway
08 20:47:00 andy753421 i like olin
08 20:47:00 Morasique i'm glad i double checked the date and time we were having it before i reserved the room for saturday then
08 20:48:00 tommost Morasique++
08 20:48:00 tommost Double-checking is important.
08 20:48:00 auchter Morasique++, i'll reserve the room
08 20:48:00 Morasique and effective, apparently
08 20:48:00 tommost Trust me.
08 20:48:00 Morasique so are we skipping the normal meeting then?
08 20:48:00 auchter no, i think having it afterwards would be better
08 20:49:00 tommost Ooo... I get time to prepare, then.
08 20:49:00 andy753421 I think we're having the normal meeting from 5:15-6:00 then the installfest from 6:00-????
08 20:49:00 Morasique somebody should update defoe then
08 20:49:00 Morasique although that didn't seem to work last time
08 20:49:00 auchter i don't want to miss the greasemonkey presentation. though, it might be good if people started partitioning, etc.
08 20:50:00 tommost Can anyone recommend a slideshow program that sucks less than ooimpress but is easier to make pretty than LaTeX?
08 20:50:00 andy753421 tommost, latex is insanely easy to make pretty
08 20:50:00 auchter beamer in latex is pretty easy
08 20:50:00 Morasique keynote
08 20:50:00 Morasique :)
08 20:50:00 tommost Morasique--
08 20:50:00 auchter Morasique--
08 20:50:00 TBoneULS Morasique--
08 20:51:00 Morasique Morasique--
08 20:51:00 TBoneULS yes
08 20:51:00 andy753421 tommost: check out the 'solutions' directory in the beamer package, the recommended way is to just modify one of those
08 20:52:00 tommost Awesome.
08 20:52:00 andy753421 so, i'm changing the time/date on the wiki for the installfest to Thursday at 6:00
08 20:55:00 tommost Where's the customary place to put LaTeX stuff?
08 20:55:00 andy753421 $home ?
08 20:55:00 tommost There isn't some sort of search path?
08 20:56:00 andy753421 oh, you mean if you install a new class?
08 20:56:00 tommost Yeah, like beamer.
08 20:56:00 andy753421 is there not an ubuntu package for beamer?
08 20:56:00 tommost Preferably somewhere user-specific.
08 20:56:00 andy753421 gentoo puts it in /usr/share/texmf-site/tex/latex/beamer/
08 20:56:00 tommost Oh, there is.
08 20:57:00 tommost And I already had it installed.
08 20:57:00 tommost Fancy that.
08 20:58:00 auchter tex's directory layout hurts
08 20:58:00 andy753421 yes, ok date changed
08 20:58:00 auchter kleinj2: get a better internet connection
08 20:58:00 andy753421 let us know when the room is reserved, since moved the date closer we need to send out an e-mail as soon as possible
08 20:59:00 auchter i'll send her an email in a few minutes
08 20:59:00 andy753421 did anyone e-mail defoe on the update?
08 20:59:00 auchter Mishtal: email defoe
08 20:59:00 Mishtal ok
08 20:59:00 Mishtal i will right now
08 21:00:00 Mishtal i wasnt paying attention
08 21:00:00 Mishtal what date / time / room
08 21:00:00 auchter Mishtal: tentatively, thursday at 6:00 in o259
08 21:01:00 Morasique high five for Blazeix forgetting to send the all campus e-mail about saturday
08 21:02:00 andy753421 well, we didn't have a room yet anyway :/
08 21:02:00 Morasique yes, we did
08 21:02:00 auchter Blazeix++
08 21:02:00 andy753421 oh, n/m then
08 21:02:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-09.log#line-2172
08 21:04:00 andy753421 i propose that we post status updates (such as having a room reserved) on the talk page of the wiki
08 21:05:00 Mishtal Defoe has been notified
08 21:05:00 tommost I haven't gotten any new e-mail in hours. I'm disappointed by Rose. I expect to be spammed my every waking moment.
08 21:06:00 Morasique i have an angel agent that e-mails me everytime somebody in 221 submits a survey, it's getting mildly annoying
08 21:06:00 andy753421 i filter out angel e-mail :/
08 21:06:00 andy753421 well, redirect them to a different mailbox
08 21:07:00 tommost The SRC switched to using Angel for managing hours and stuff because the server upgrades broke their old scheduling system. It's horrible.
08 21:07:00 Mishtal Morasique: you should modify it to broadcast to the entire class every time someone fills out an anon survey
08 21:07:00 tommost I'm tempted to quit.
08 21:07:00 Morasique nice
08 21:08:00 Mishtal tommost
08 21:08:00 Mishtal you should work at ventures
08 21:08:00 tommost Yes. They use the Massman style of Angel use: put everything in a proprietary document (in his case, a DOCX, in the SRC's case, Excel files).
08 21:08:00 tommost Mishtal: I only have 5 hours a week at the SRC; it's TAing that prevents me from working at Ventures.
08 21:09:00 Mishtal hmmm
08 21:09:00 Mishtal that is a problem
08 21:09:00 tommost No, not a problem.
08 21:09:00 Mishtal you should hire someone to TA for you for a dollar less than you get paid, and then work at ventures :-D
08 21:09:00 tommost ...
08 21:10:00 tommost I *want* to TA.
08 21:10:00 Mishtal it seems pretty straight forward to me. subcontracting is legit
08 21:10:00 Mishtal oh
08 21:10:00 Mishtal well, TA then
08 21:10:00 tommost I need to know how much Python the freshman know.
08 21:10:00 Morasique being that they're on their third day, not much
08 21:11:00 tommost Morasique: You are correct.
08 21:12:00 auchter they still teaching freshmen something sane (C) ?
08 21:12:00 Morasique i'm still not a big fan of starting with python, i would think starting with a dynamically typed language would be really confusing
08 21:12:00 Morasique auchter: they cover it for a couple weeks at the end of 120
08 21:12:00 tommost Not if you don't learn any of the dynamic features.
08 21:13:00 Morasique last time they taught it they didn't get to pointers, so that should give you some idea of the comprehensiveness
08 21:13:00 tommost I don't think that they even cover first-class functions.
08 21:13:00 auchter erm, what can you do in C without pointers?
08 21:13:00 Morasique auchter: precisely
08 21:14:00 tommost They covered pointers in 221 when I took it.
08 21:14:00 tommost And we only had 2 weeks of it.
08 21:14:00 Morasique they do C in 221?
08 21:14:00 tommost Yeah.
08 21:14:00 Morasique i thought they only did it in 120, although i guess that makes sense
08 21:15:00 tommost They should to 230 in C.
08 21:16:00 auchter tommost++
08 21:16:00 Morasique tommost++
08 21:16:00 auchter or any language that's not java, really
08 21:17:00 Morasique C is particularly apt though
08 21:17:00 auchter it is. you would learn a hell of a lot more about actually *implementing* data structures
08 21:17:00 auchter because what we did was a joke
08 21:17:00 Morasique i don't remember what we did at all
08 21:18:00 auchter i do: import java.util.HashMap;
08 21:18:00 Morasique woo!
08 21:18:00 auchter yay, data structures!
08 21:19:00 Morasique hey, those hash maps don't fill themselves, we had to write code to put stuff in them
08 21:19:00 Morasique that was grueling
08 21:19:00 tommost With Anderson it seemed to be more about doing the math to prove stuff about them.
08 21:19:00 auchter oh, there was a ton of that as well
08 21:20:00 auchter that was the part i enjoyed most, actually
08 21:20:00 tommost It made me glad I didn't have to take it.
08 21:21:00 auchter you're going to have to at some point
08 21:22:00 auchter and i think the homework is pretty well standardised for that class
08 21:22:00 tommost Yeah. Design & Analysis of Algorithms.
08 21:22:00 auchter that's a different class
08 21:22:00 tommost I don't have to take 230; I took 221.
08 21:22:00 Mishtal i thought that 230 was the most useful class ive taken so far, aside from OS
08 21:23:00 auchter oh, you took the AP AB exam. i envy you.
08 21:23:00 tommost Yup. They should have made me take 230; I would have learned more.
08 21:23:00 Mishtal it definitely beat the socks of of 220
08 21:23:00 auchter the AP A exam was insanely easy (except the fact that the proctor wouldn't let me bring coffee in. that was the only AP exam i had to do without coffee)
08 21:24:00 tommost AP AB is the way to go for a CS minor, though.
08 21:24:00 tommost AB was easy too.
08 21:24:00 auchter heh, i just got my cs minor paperwork yesterday
08 21:24:00 tommost I took it on 3 hours of sleep and with pink eye.
08 21:24:00 tommost 5.
08 21:24:00 auchter yeah, my teacher said that only one person of 20 the year before me passed the AP AB exam, so he made us all take the A exam
08 21:25:00 auchter looks at octavious
08 21:25:00 Morasique they finally changed that rule, you can't get out of 230 now
08 21:25:00 tommost Good.
08 21:26:00 Morasique i think you get out of 221 with a good ab score, you start in 230
08 21:26:00 auchter that actually makes sense
08 21:26:00 tommost Indeed.
08 21:35:00 Morasique on the dhcp registration login screen they have a * next to required fields. Username is required; password isn't
08 21:44:00 Morasique if you change a mac address does it stay changed forever?
08 21:47:00 Mishtal isnt a mac address hard-wired....?
08 21:48:00 Morasique no, you can change them, i just wasn't sure if it persisted if you power off. i found out how to change it in the net configuration file though, so it doesn't matter
08 21:50:00 Mishtal well, i know that mac spoofing is relatively easy. my impression was that mac-addresses are pretty much hardwired. i guess if you can tell hardware to change it, that if you lose power you end up with the default...? similar to the chmos jumper on bios..?
08 21:52:00 Morasique oh. i don't know what goes on behind the scenes when you change a mac, i think it's just a software thing
08 21:53:00 Morasique it's not really relevant for me, i just need iait to see a different mac, i think that's my ip problem
08 21:54:00 Mishtal k
08 22:20:00 Morasique http://www.tuaw.com/2007/05/14/anzan/
08 22:20:00 Morasique i'm baffled. it's a $20 program that allows you to transfer files, only on the local network
08 22:21:00 tommost Someone should spend twenty minutes making an open-source clone of it, just to show how silly it is.
08 22:22:00 Morasique they're mac users, they have scp built in
08 22:23:00 tommost Well, this thing is probably using Rendevous or something for detecting other computers.
08 22:29:00 bolandmg The author of that program chimes in in the comments and defends it well enough, but it still seems dead simple and not worth $20.
08 22:29:00 bolandmg Also, when it started out "Hi, I'm the author of Anzan", I expected it to be a rant ending in "I GUARANTEE IT"
08 22:31:00 bolandmg But apparently it died a terrible bloody death, because the domain is now being ad-squatted.
08 22:31:00 Morasique it's not even a flat $20, that's for two seats. you have to buy licenses per machine
08 22:31:00 Morasique yay!
08 22:31:00 tommost WTF‽
08 22:33:00 carberry Ah. Rain.
08 22:33:00 Mishtal A logician trying to explain logic to a programmer is like a cat trying to explain to a fish what it’s like to get wet.
08 22:57:00 Morasique Mishtal: did you make that up?
08 22:58:00 Mishtal no, of course not
08 22:58:00 Mishtal taken from a unix hacker quote site
08 22:58:00 carberry Heh. Which one?
08 23:00:00 Mishtal not sure
08 23:00:00 Mishtal i can look in my history if you want the link
08 23:02:00 carberry not a big deal
08 23:03:00 Morasique hearts latex
08 23:03:00 Morasique just thought i'd let you all know
08 23:04:00 carberry Heh. I tried to learn latex. Then I realized I never really had any use for it.
08 23:04:00 auchter someone who doesn't think thunderbird/sunfire suck: how the hell do i get tasks to be displayed in my calendar?
08 23:05:00 Morasique view -> current view -> show tasks in calendar
08 23:05:00 auchter carberry: latex's pretty easy after you spend an hour or two learning the basics. it's a lifesaver if you ever have to do a group project or type up anything with equations
08 23:05:00 collinjc I don't think it is possible for someone not to have a use for latex.
08 23:05:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, that's rather obvious, and it obviously doesn't work.
08 23:06:00 Morasique auchter: well, i just assumed you were slow. it shows the tasks as starting on the start date and ending on the due date, do you have both set and are they different?
08 23:07:00 tommost I am writing my Disco notes in pseudo-LaTeX.
08 23:08:00 auchter i have no start dates, as i normally don't plan out in advance when i'm going to start something. the end dates are present, however
08 23:08:00 Morasique i think it either doesn't show them or shows them as the smallest entry it can
08 23:08:00 Morasique the point of showing it in your calendar is if you have a block of time set aside for it
08 23:08:00 Morasique it shows up like an event does
08 23:09:00 carberry i never really had to embed equations into a document.
08 23:09:00 auchter that sucks. i might just write a calendar program that doesn't suck and works for me
08 23:10:00 auchter carberry: you will, believe me. and you'll suffer if you use word's equation editor
08 23:10:00 tommost auchter++
08 23:10:00 tommost Word's latest equation editor isn't that bad, but LaTeX is much easier.
08 23:10:00 Morasique word's equation editor is awful. i love openoffice and latexs'
08 23:11:00 tommost I, too, am searching for a calendar program that doesn't suck.
08 23:11:00 collinjc carberry: It does so much more than just that. The fact that you can create files to handle your styling and then use flat text files for input and have the ability to reorder those files as you please is what I find most useful.
08 23:11:00 auchter http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2006/10/20/equation-numbering.aspx
08 23:11:00 carberry Yea. I'll probably end up learning LaTeX. I just tried to learn it without having any project to use it for and couldn't do it.
08 23:11:00 tommost I hate Sunbird so much that I use Outlook. That's how sad the calendar situation is.
08 23:11:00 Morasique Blazeix and i are on the same senior project team so i suspect we can force our teammates to use latex
08 23:12:00 Morasique i'm looking forward to it
08 23:12:00 auchter the calendar program i want would be very simple. i would be able to type "acal week" and have it nicely show all the tasks and events for the week, or "acal today" to show tasks due today, etc.
08 23:12:00 Morasique tommost: i still maintain that outlook is one of the best program's microsoft came out with. it was slow and graphicsy like all their stuff, but it's hugely useful
08 23:12:00 Morasique s/'//
08 23:13:00 tommost carberry: You should start taking your math notes in LaTeX. As long as your prof doesn't draw stuff all the time, you'll be fine (don't do this for calc III).
08 23:13:00 tommost Morasique: Yeah, that and Excel.
08 23:13:00 carberry I'm in Calc III.
08 23:13:00 tommost Who do you have?
08 23:13:00 auchter i take notes in latex, and draw diagrams on paper (with references to the figures in my latex notes)
08 23:13:00 Morasique well fail
08 23:13:00 Morasique just draw the diagrams in vim
08 23:13:00 Morasique obviously
08 23:13:00 carberry I also don't really take notes. I probably should start doing that.
08 23:14:00 auchter it'
08 23:14:00 carberry How difficult is Calc III.
08 23:14:00 tommost I started taking notes in LaTeX because I forgot to bring paper to class.
08 23:14:00 auchter s likely worthless unless you want to get good at latex
08 23:14:00 auchter carberry: easier than calc ii
08 23:14:00 tommost carberry: It's not really too difficult, but you have to memorize some really annoying crap.
08 23:14:00 auchter laughs at everyone who had to take calc ii at rose
08 23:14:00 tommost cowers
08 23:15:00 auchter math really just starts getting easier after calc ii, which is just pure pain from memorization
08 23:15:00 Morasique calc is painful at the beginning, i liked it later on
08 23:15:00 carberry Awesome. I think the biggest problem for me is going to be 8AM Calculus.
08 23:15:00 carberry Just getting going at that time.
08 23:16:00 Morasique i've now been late for two of the three logic classes i have second hou
08 23:16:00 Morasique r
08 23:16:00 Morasique it's pretty impressive
08 23:16:00 carberry Heh. What's logic about? I think I have to take Intro to Logic Design sometime this year.
08 23:16:00 carberry Is it microcontroller programming stuff?
08 23:16:00 tommost Probability is hell for memorization if you get a prof who doesn't give you a sheet. (Massman doesn't, BTW.)
08 23:17:00 carberry I'll try to avoid him.
08 23:17:00 auchter carberry: intro to logic design is pretty much over digital logic
08 23:17:00 auchter carberry: you do some programming of fpgas
08 23:17:00 tommost Logic Design deals with FPGAs, but not really as such.
08 23:17:00 auchter Morasique was talking about his CS logic course
08 23:17:00 carberry Ah.
08 23:18:00 Morasique i actually kind of liked logic design, it was entertaining
08 23:18:00 auchter especially if you have a prof who reminds you of kermit the frog
08 23:19:00 Morasique as opposed to a prof so timid you're not sure if she's speaking or crying
08 23:20:00 carberry Overall, everything seems relatively ok except German.
08 23:20:00 carberry Auchter, how's that going for you?
08 23:20:00 Morasique clearly you should've taken japanese
08 23:20:00 carberry Am I the only one that's fairly lost?
08 23:20:00 auchter carberry: oh, that's you. i didn't place a name to a face
08 23:20:00 carberry Yea. It's ok, I don't know your name either.
08 23:20:00 auchter carberry: i just realized we had stuff to do in there. so far it's been going rather well
08 23:21:00 carberry I mean, the homework is fine.
08 23:21:00 carberry Just the in class stuff.
08 23:21:00 auchter i haven't found it too bad, actually
08 23:21:00 carberry Whenever she goes into kind of rapid-fire german for a while.
08 23:21:00 carberry Gah.
08 23:22:00 auchter eh, it's not that bad. have you had german before?
08 23:23:00 carberry No. None.
08 23:23:00 auchter it seems like most people in that class have. i haven't had a german class either
08 23:24:00 carberry At least those guys that look like douches on the near the front at the right of the class.
08 23:24:00 carberry Your right.
08 23:24:00 auchter haha, yeah, they seem rather arrogant
08 23:25:00 Morasique tommost: grammar attack!
08 23:25:00 tommost Sitting in a room where there are three people talking about ConApps when you don't have to take it is pleasing.
08 23:25:00 Morasique i roomed with three people that took it, even better
08 23:25:00 carberry Whoops.
08 23:26:00 tommost Morasique: Exactly the same situation here.
08 23:26:00 Morasique ah. it's so satisfying
08 23:26:00 tommost If only I had a little less chem homework... I could be going to bed now. It would be delicious.
08 23:27:00 Morasique it was the one quarter where everyone switched from "HAHA, everyone look at the CS doing work, we're going to sleep" to "No, we're working!!!! CSes never do anything!!!"
08 23:27:00 carberry Heh.
08 23:27:00 carberry How hard is it to get a double major in CS and EE.
08 23:27:00 carberry *?
08 23:28:00 Morasique awesome: http://www.csse.rose-hulman.edu/
08 23:28:00 tommost Score!
08 23:28:00 auchter carberry: switch to CPE, you'll be in less pain (especially if you don't like analog electronics, and no one does)
08 23:28:00 tommost carberry: Probably pretty difficult.
08 23:29:00 tommost But then, I have a cheap double major.
08 23:29:00 tommost SECS is the way to go!
08 23:29:00 carberry I kind of want to stick with EE because of the generality of it.
08 23:29:00 Morasique except CSSE
08 23:30:00 tommost Morasique: No, SECS is better because you have to take fewer math classes.
08 23:30:00 Morasique math classes++
08 23:30:00 carberry For some reason, that link is giving me a Forbidden.
08 23:31:00 tommost carberry: That's what's so amusing.
08 23:31:00 auchter pronouncing SECS is just plain humorous as well
08 23:31:00 tommost The dept. web site has hit a new low.
08 23:32:00 Morasique tommost: actually, it's about the same level of badness
08 23:32:00 carberry Who maintains it?
08 23:32:00 tommost Good question.
08 23:33:00 carberry I assume the answer is "no one".
08 23:33:00 auchter it claims that mcleish is the webmaster now
08 23:34:00 tommost Where?
08 23:35:00 auchter on the cs website, someone pointed it out to me earlier today
08 23:35:00 tommost Isn't this "Forbidden" I'm looking at the CS web site?
08 23:35:00 auchter it was up earlier today.
08 23:39:00 carberry How could someone do that?
08 23:41:00 Morasique break the website? mcleish specializes in such things
08 23:41:00 carberry Who is mcleish?
08 23:41:00 Morasique the cs/math systems administrator
08 23:41:00 tommost auchter: Do you have to take PLC as a CPE? 230?
08 23:41:00 carberry I mean what kind of person is he?
08 23:42:00 auchter tommost: neither. i took 230 though because it's an interesting class
08 23:42:00 Morasique carberry: i'm not sure what you mean
08 23:42:00 auchter i wish i had room to take PLC (and compilers) but i don't.
08 23:43:00 carberry Is he one of those nice people that ends up fucking things up or one of those arrogant people who ends up fucking things up?
08 23:44:00 Morasique oh. i don't know, i'm not sure i've ever spoken to him. he's notoriously hard to find
08 23:44:00 Morasique i don't think he intentionally breaks things
08 23:44:00 auchter i like mcleish
08 23:44:00 carberry Well who does?
08 23:45:00 Morasique he's much better than iait anyway
08 23:45:00 carberry Cool.
08 23:45:00 carberry Oh yea, did anyone ever figure out what happened to the mac with the livecd?
08 23:45:00 tommost Is it still running?
08 23:46:00 carberry I don't know. Some people said they were going to look in the next day.
08 23:46:00 carberry But I don't know if anyone ever did.
08 23:46:00 Morasique i haven't been in that lab since thursday
08 23:46:00 Morasique i thought kleinjt pulled it
08 23:47:00 carberry Ah, lame.
08 23:47:00 auchter i've been in the lab every day, and i've been pretty good at ignoring the mac
08 23:47:00 Morasique over time i hear you can train yourself to not see it at all
08 23:47:00 carberry What's with the whole superduper anti-mac thing.
08 23:47:00 Morasique they blow
08 23:47:00 carberry Why?
08 23:47:00 Morasique because mac users like it that way
08 23:47:00 auchter i was typing up a more eloquent response, but really Morasique hit the nail on the head
08 23:48:00 carberry What about them blows?
08 23:48:00 tommost I don't hate Macs.
08 23:48:00 Morasique tommost: you do. deep down
08 23:48:00 tommost But they're damn fun to make fun of.
08 23:48:00 Morasique everyone does
08 23:49:00 Morasique i think the difficulty we had accomplishing anything on it thursday is a good summary of why i hate them
08 23:49:00 Morasique they take shielding the user from the OS to a whole new level
08 23:49:00 Morasique like "why show what's going on when we can show a sexy white screen"
08 23:52:00 carberry What is hidden that can't be easily found if sought?
08 23:52:00 tommost Well, that Mac's locked down, so quite a lot.
08 23:53:00 carberry What should be available to a limited user on that that isn't?
08 23:54:00 carberry I'm not being arguementative. I'm honestly curious.
08 23:55:00 tommost Er, welllll... as CS students, we just find it a pain to not be able to fix it when it's broken.
08 23:55:00 carberry Ah.
08 23:55:00 carberry What ends up breaking the most?
08 23:58:00 tommost You currently can't log in. So everything.
08 23:58:00 carberry Hahaha. Why? IAIT never thought that would be a useful feature?
08 23:59:00 tommost The CS department is actually responsible for most of its own tech, including the Macs.
08 23:59:00 carberry Why did the CS department buy macs?
08 23:59:00 andy753421 Curt.
09 00:00:00 carberry A fanboy with sway?
09 00:00:00 tommost Ask Morasique about Curt and Macs. ;)
09 00:01:00 carberry I assume that would be the start of a long rant?
09 00:02:00 tommost Maybe. Ask him about his senior project.
09 00:02:00 carberry I'll bite.
09 00:07:00 carberry Also, does anyone know how to make a gentoo usb stick for a computer without a cdrom drive. I was trying to do it but the instructions in the gentoo wiki don't work correctly.
09 00:08:00 carberry At least the ones I found.
09 00:08:00 andy753421 do it the same way as a regular gentoo install, except on a USB stick
09 00:08:00 carberry I mean, to make the USB stick.
09 00:09:00 carberry Like, fit the livecd onto a bootable usb stick.
09 00:10:00 carberry I apologize for my ignorance.
09 00:10:00 andy753421 oh, you can just do a regular install on gentoo install to the usb stick and then use that to boot the box and then do a regular install from there
09 00:10:00 carberry Ah.
09 00:10:00 andy753421 you don't really need the gentoo livecd to install gentoo, you just need something that will boot
09 00:10:00 tommost The zen of Gentoo: Something that will boot.
09 00:11:00 andy753421 if you check the right kernel options for both the machine your on now and the machine you want to install gentoo on it will be way easier
09 00:12:00 carberry Ok. I'll try that wednesday.
09 00:12:00 andy753421 that way once you have the usb key done, you can just boot the new computer and `cp -ax /mnt/usb/* /'
09 00:13:00 andy753421 well i guess it would be the other way around.. `cp -ax / /mnt/hda'
09 00:13:00 andy753421 plus, configure grub and such
09 00:13:00 carberry Gah. Is the installfest this saturday or next?
09 00:13:00 auchter neither
09 00:13:00 carberry Ah.
09 00:13:00 auchter thursday at 6
09 00:13:00 carberry When is it?
09 00:13:00 carberry Ok.
09 00:14:00 carberry I suppose I'll attempt it wednesday. I'm not really hopeful though.
09 00:14:00 andy753421 out topic is getting to long..
09 00:15:00 auchter well, except for the mouse bit, it's all pretty useful
09 00:15:00 andy753421 yea, i suppose
09 00:16:00 tommost is sad
09 00:16:00 andy753421 the wiki logs sections can be compressed
09 00:17:00 andy753421 although, i can't think of a good way to do it
09 00:17:00 auchter yeah, i'd like to keep them clickable
09 00:18:00 andy753421 it should also be noted that on the rose network you can just type http://lug/
09 00:18:00 carberry Not clickable for me.
09 00:19:00 carberry Whatever.
09 00:19:00 andy753421 oh, maybe that's just my dhcp client
09 00:19:00 auchter lug works fine for me
09 00:19:00 carberry Might just be the fact that i'm using mirc
09 00:19:00 carberry I mean, definitely the fact that I'm using mirc.
09 00:19:00 andy753421 $ echo search rose-hulman.edu >> /etc/resolv.conf
09 00:21:00 carberry The link works. mIRC just doesn't recognize it as a link.
09 00:21:00 auchter oh, ok.
09 00:21:00 auchter well, another point for irssi (well, i guess for rxvt-unicode in this case)
09 00:21:00 Morasique ha! take that iait
09 00:22:00 carberry Morasique: What's up with macs and curt?
09 00:22:00 Morasique he likes them. which is confusing, because he's fairly intelligent
09 00:23:00 carberry Why did the CS lab end up buying Macs?
09 00:23:00 Morasique because of him
09 00:23:00 Morasique and sriram, but mostly him
09 00:23:00 carberry What was there arguement?
09 00:23:00 carberry *their
09 00:23:00 Morasique they're professors, they don't need to clear things with us
09 00:24:00 andy753421 apparently the macs were getting the most use
09 00:24:00 carberry Odd.
09 00:24:00 andy753421 er, the mac was getting the most use, which is why the got a new one
09 00:24:00 Morasique the balance has shifted somewhat since one of the macs started refusing to let anybody log in
09 00:25:00 andy753421 yea, i think that was mostly because it was always logged in as `guest' so people didn't have to log in themselves
09 00:25:00 carberry Why wasn't it fixed?
09 00:25:00 Morasique because of what andy753421 just said i imagine
09 00:26:00 carberry I don't follow.
09 00:28:00 Morasique it was always logged in as guest, and the kind of people that use the mac aren't the kind that would care about having access to afs
09 00:28:00 carberry So no one bothered to set it up correctly.
09 00:28:00 andy753421 yea, i don't think it ever actually got used for work
09 00:29:00 carberry That's stupid.
09 00:30:00 andy753421 it was actually somewhat nice, if we ever get linux machines back in the lab it would be nice to have it autologin as guest but also allow switching to a normal rose user
09 00:31:00 carberry What's the use of the guest account?
09 00:31:00 andy753421 check email?
09 00:31:00 Morasique internet mostly i imagine
09 00:31:00 andy753421 google something, ssh, etc
09 00:32:00 carberry I suppose.
09 00:32:00 Morasique i used voodoo last week to get on irc quickly to tell everyone the room was reserved
09 00:32:00 Morasique if everyone didn't know 'voodoo' was a computer that would be an odd sentence
09 00:38:00 Morasique luglog++
09 00:42:00 shadghost Shippihi
09 00:42:00 shadghost hi
09 00:42:00 shadghost any one willing to help a poor young person
09 00:44:00 tommost shadghost--
09 00:44:00 Morasique i assume you're not referring to yourself
09 00:44:00 shadghost [ 5327.314633] VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb.
09 00:44:00 shadghost but it is formated as a ext3
09 00:44:00 shadghost and it cliped off the one for sdb1
09 00:44:00 tommost That sounds not fun. I'm going to do homework.
09 00:45:00 Morasique check fdisk?
09 00:47:00 shadghost /dev/sdb1 * 1 60801 488384032 83 Linux
09 00:48:00 shadghost and type 83 is ext3
09 00:49:00 shadghost do i need to reboot after formating?
09 00:49:00 Morasique oh, did you just format this?
09 00:49:00 Morasique no, you don't need to reboot
09 00:50:00 shadghost ya it is a fresh drive
09 00:50:00 Morasique you did mke2fs -j?
09 00:53:00 shadghost no
09 00:53:00 Morasique how did you format it?
09 00:54:00 shadghost fdisk /dev/sdb
09 00:55:00 Morasique oh. that doesn't format it, it just partitions
09 00:55:00 Morasique you have to do mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1
09 00:55:00 shadghost Morasique++ #(if this works)
09 01:00:00 shadghost Morasique,,
09 01:00:00 shadghost Morasique++
09 09:53:00 Morasique :D one of the messages from my portage update is "QA: stop using the bindnow-flags function ... simply drop it from your ebuild"
09 09:56:00 octavious one thing i have noticed about emerge/portage recently is that they have apparently integrated revdep-rebuild into emerge
09 09:57:00 Morasique wow, i just started running that and then switched to irc and saw the same command, i was very confused
09 09:58:00 octavious at least, when i did a big upgrade yesterday it told me what specific packages would need to be rebuilt and gave the option to do it right then
09 09:58:00 Morasique oh, interesting, mine didn't
09 09:58:00 octavious ~arch?
09 10:00:00 Morasique no, stable
09 10:02:00 Morasique damn it, it's rebuilding gcc. this takes forever
09 10:07:00 Morasique anybody know if the freshmen have pdf995 on their laptops?
09 10:09:00 collinjc Morasique: Yes, they do.
09 10:09:00 collinjc Or at least that is what they were told during orientation.
09 10:10:00 Morasique well, i'll assume iait is right about the software they installed. maybe
09 10:10:00 Morasique thanks
09 10:10:00 auchter i had to install some ad-addled version of pdf995 the other day, because my windows vm refused to print to any networked printers
09 10:11:00 auchter i gave up and printed to pdf and scp'd to another computer
09 10:11:00 auchter and that reminds me, i should update my laptop. except, i have no space left on /, which complicates matters a bit
09 10:11:00 Mishtal I ran into that same problem. my solution was to email the file to someone else and have them print it.
09 10:12:00 Morasique auchter: i think non-ad pdf995 is on tibia
09 10:13:00 auchter Morasique: good to know, i'll definitely be installing that next time
09 10:17:00 Morasique wait, we use mouse now?
09 10:17:00 Morasique Mishtal: did defoe correct the time in class today?
09 10:17:00 Morasique assuming you've had it i guess
09 10:17:00 Mishtal class is not until 5th hour.
09 10:17:00 Mishtal i will make sure that he tells the class today
09 10:25:00 collinjc Who changed the installfest page to laptop year rather than model?
09 10:26:00 Mishtal not i. But thats the beauty of Wiki, it has a record of it, if you only as
09 10:26:00 Mishtal ask*
09 10:26:00 collinjc Indeed it does. However, people seem to be editing without logging in.
09 10:29:00 collinjc In any case, I fixed the years to be current with this year since they seem to have been pasted from last year, so if anyone is on the RSVP, you may want to double check to ensure that your laptop model matches.
09 10:29:00 collinjc I simply incremented everyone by one year.
09 10:30:00 auchter oh, we need to get an email sent out
09 10:30:00 auchter looks at Blazeix
09 10:31:00 auchter collinjc: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Installfest20080913
09 10:31:00 collinjc auchter: http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Installfest_RSVP
09 10:31:00 collinjc To me this seems confusing.
09 10:32:00 auchter yes, i could tell you were confused
09 10:32:00 auchter something should probably be done about those names
09 10:32:00 collinjc I agree. We should not have two pages for the same thing.
09 10:32:00 auchter i prefer the one i linked to, as it's more informative and less confusing than Installfest_RSVP
09 10:33:00 auchter well, the page you linked to was for last year's installfest in march
09 10:33:00 auchter the page should be moved to reflect that
09 10:33:00 collinjc I prefer that one as well. I had thought it had been replaced by the horrible one I just linked you to.
09 10:34:00 collinjc Someone updated that page for this year though.
09 10:35:00 collinjc Whoever 137.112.116.139 is.
09 10:37:00 collinjc It should probably just redirect.
09 10:38:00 collinjc That way we can have a static RSVP page that can link to something for a specific event which can be changed.
09 11:25:00 Morasique auchter: i think you're the one that said you can just copy .config; did that work going from 2.6.24 to 2.6.25? i had the same problem on two machines, i get a bunch of "trying to assign nonexistent symbol" errors
09 11:26:00 Morasique oh, "make oldconfig". neat
09 11:27:00 Morasique oh. maybe not. i think this is only for revision changes
09 11:30:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, i usually copy my old config without issue
09 11:31:00 auchter oh, 2.6.26.5 came out yesterday
09 11:31:00 auchter this is getting ridiculous with them going out to four places.
09 11:32:00 auchter and wow that's a small changelog
09 11:34:00 andy753421 what about 2.6.27-rc5-git10 :P
09 11:34:00 Blazeix auchter: about the email, do we have a room reserved for the correct date/time?
09 11:34:00 Blazeix I know we got one for the old time.
09 11:35:00 auchter i asked for it 6PM thursday in o259, and this is the last email i got: http://rafb.net/p/qudYoo91.html
09 11:35:00 auchter to which i responded 8PM or 9PM. i haven't heard back, but i assume we're all set
09 11:36:00 Blazeix o.k., I have work now, but I'll get the email sent out soon.
09 11:36:00 auchter ok
09 12:20:00 Blazeix I sent the email to mellor, hopefully he should send it out soon.
09 12:23:00 Morasique you made sure to get the date wrong, right?
09 12:25:00 Blazeix Don't worry, we're all set for Saturday.
09 12:26:00 Blazeix I'm kidding of course, before anyone has a heart attack.
09 13:14:00 Morasique awesome, dropbox came out with a linux client
09 13:51:00 auchter "Ubuntu 9 Is Jaunty Jackalope"
09 13:51:00 auchter laughs at the ubuntu users
09 14:15:00 octavious how do we go about adding people to the mailing list. one of the guys on my floor would like to be added: blissdw
09 14:26:00 auchter octavious: http://mailman.rose-hulman.edu/mailman/listinfo/lug
09 14:57:00 auchter yay, all campus email with all details correct
09 14:58:00 Morasique i think the apostrophe is in the wrong place
09 14:58:00 Morasique but we'll let that go
09 15:02:00 Blazeix yeah, I can never remember where the apostrophe should go. I guess users' or users are correct.
09 15:02:00 Blazeix just not user's
09 15:02:00 auchter i think "Users" is incorrect, but that's our official one i think
09 15:02:00 auchter "Users'" should be right
09 15:03:00 Morasique i always pictured it as a group of linux users: Linux Users Group
09 15:03:00 Morasique if it's a group belonging to linux users it's what you said
09 15:07:00 auchter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_User_Group
09 15:08:00 auchter also, the wikipedia installfest description sounds better than ours
09 15:10:00 auchter also, would anyone be interested in going to CINLUG (http://www.cinlug.org/) one month? (first wednesday at 6:30PM)
09 15:40:00 Morasique auchter: it's on tuesday: http://www.cinlug.org/taxonomy/term/3
09 15:41:00 Morasique oh, you said one month, i read it as next month. well, next month is on tuesday :)
09 15:43:00 tommost Yeah, that apostrophe really confused me.
09 15:43:00 tommost I.e. the lack thereof.
09 15:43:00 tommost http://avalonstar.com/blog/2008/sep/9/web-framework-ponies/
09 15:44:00 tommost Definitely click on the "Django is now awesome" link.
09 15:46:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/pony/
09 15:52:00 Morasique gentoo is good in many respects, but i can't believe what a pain getting mod_ldap to work is
09 15:53:00 tommost It was a pain for me on Ubuntu too, but most of that was the numerous conflicting example configurations I found—apparently they changed stuff but all of the old HOWTOs are still around.
09 15:54:00 Morasique it's supposed to be blindingly easy, there's a special "ldap" use flag for it
09 15:55:00 tommost (By "they" I believe that I'm referring to the upstream source, not anything specific to Ubuntu.)
09 15:59:00 Morasique i can't even get a consensus on if it's AUTH_LDAP or AUTHNZ_LDAP, it appears to be fifty-fifty
09 16:00:00 Morasique so either it's both or half these people didn't test their configurations before posting blogs about them
09 16:00:00 tommost Yeah. I think that I'm using authz
09 16:01:00 Morasique i don't think i've ever had the internet fail me quite this badly
09 16:01:00 tommost What are you trying to authenticate against?
09 16:02:00 Morasique rose
09 16:02:00 Morasique but i can't get ldap to work at all, apache gives me "unknown authn provider: ldap"
09 16:02:00 tommost Is the module enabled?
09 16:03:00 Morasique i really have no idea. supposedly i don't need a loadmodule or addmodule or any of that, it's just supposed to work. if i try a loadmodule i get a thoroughly cryptic error
09 16:04:00 Morasique i thought ldap support was getting compiled into apache, that should be what the use flag does
09 16:07:00 Morasique i think i no longer care enough
09 16:09:00 Morasique awesome, iait is going to break the internet again
09 16:11:00 tommost IAIT++~
09 16:11:00 tommost Lot of warning they're giving us.
09 16:11:00 Morasique wow. trac does not fail gracefully if mysql is down
09 16:12:00 tommost Are you setting up stuff for your senior project?
09 16:14:00 Morasique yeah
09 16:19:00 Morasique .... ncw000--
09 16:25:00 tommost_aorist ncw000++
09 16:35:00 Morasique i think i like this way more, i got trac and subversion to authenticate against the local logins, so once i give everyone accounts on this machine everything should work magically
09 16:35:00 Morasique magic++
09 17:37:00 Morasique iait took down the internet somewhere in the 20 seconds while my machine was rebooting after switching kernels
09 17:38:00 Morasique i couldn't figure out how'd i'd broken my networking
09 18:02:00 Mishtal http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2827383926_5192a521b8_b.jpg
09 18:02:00 Mishtal the noodly appendage has appeared.
09 18:06:00 jboticsource yay flares
09 18:43:00 Mishtal EA Fails ::: http://www.crymod.com/thread.php?threadid=34805
09 18:48:00 tommost Ladies and gentlemen, yet another reason I don't play video games.
09 18:49:00 auchter i find just one reason sufficient
09 19:25:00 auchter grr, slashdot summaries need to stop giving times in crazy timezones
09 19:49:00 Blazeix I think I'm going to start updating the install guide for ubuntu 8.04
09 19:50:00 Blazeix Shouldn't need much changing, but I'll integrate it with the "Hardy differences" page
09 20:14:00 Blazeix how are we on ubuntu install disks? Should I burn a couple?
09 20:15:00 auchter did anyone get them from delvin?
09 20:19:00 Blazeix also, is anyone on the rose network hosting 8.04 isos?
09 20:48:00 Morasique Blazeix: i have it
09 20:49:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
09 21:20:00 Blazeix awesome. thanks.
09 21:20:00 Blazeix Take a look at ubuntu's 8.04 partitioner: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~fuquawa/partition.png
09 21:21:00 Morasique damn it, if they keep making it more user friendly they're going to phase out the need for us to help completely
09 21:27:00 Morasique Blazeix: i fixed trac, i discovered the secret configuration file :)
09 21:31:00 Blazeix Morasique: secret config files are fun. By the way, "passwd -e" was the command you were looking for earlier.
09 21:32:00 Morasique oh. that's much easier. thanks
09 21:40:00 Morasique ah, that's what that field is in shadow that has all 9s for everyone
09 21:44:00 Blazeix Mellor just cc'd me on an email; a potential installfest attendee was wondering if we would have a SUSE dvd available.
09 21:44:00 Morasique Blazeix: i'm sure we could get our hands on one
09 21:44:00 Blazeix mellor said that the student could borrow his suse dvd
09 21:44:00 Morasique i've got contacts that can hook me up with any linux distro
09 21:44:00 Morasique and i hear you can buy them from best buy for only $20
09 21:45:00 Blazeix That's really expensive, I can get them for you at $10 a pop.
09 21:45:00 Morasique they're probably pirated, mine are genuine
09 21:45:00 Morasique you've got to run the linux genuine advantage wizard
09 21:46:00 Morasique there are scary people on the suse homepage
09 21:46:00 Blazeix everyone has seen this, right? http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/
09 21:46:00 Morasique oh wow. i was kidding
09 21:55:00 Morasique latex can typeset musical scores. nice
09 22:25:00 Blazeix Hmm. I'm going through the update stage of the install, and there are a ton of updates. We should probably burn CDs using the 8.04.1 image (the most recent version), rather than plain 8.04.
09 22:26:00 tommost Yeah, definitely.
09 22:26:00 auchter i'll bring at least 5 copies of 8.04.1
09 22:26:00 auchter do we want 32-bit or 64-bit?
09 22:27:00 tommost Let's have some of both.
09 22:27:00 Blazeix In the meeting we decided we wanted both; although I would bring more 32 bit than 64 bit.
09 22:27:00 auchter i'll bring 5 32-bit
09 22:28:00 Blazeix I can bring 3 32-bit and 3 64-bit
09 22:31:00 Blazeix what the hell. over the past few days I've been having tons of connection problems
09 22:36:00 Morasique Blazeix: it's arch
09 22:36:00 Morasique good call going through the install btw
09 22:37:00 Morasique Blazeix++
09 22:37:00 Morasique that just blew your mind
09 22:39:00 andy753421 anyone know of a program to read a password from the command line?
09 22:39:00 andy753421 so like `read' except without echoing
09 22:41:00 Morasique read -s
09 22:41:00 auchter uh, why is that not in the man page
09 22:42:00 Morasique i don't know, the only reason i knew about it is i needed to do the same thing in a script
09 22:45:00 andy753421 apparently it's bash's read not posix read
09 22:45:00 andy753421 so it's in man bash
09 22:46:00 Morasique oh, that makes sense
09 23:26:00 auchter ``mutchler pts/19 faculty-03.csse. 22:30 2.00s 0.34s 0.24s vim instructions.htm'' yeah, i need to take a class with him.
09 23:26:00 Morasique mutchler--
09 23:28:00 andy753421 vim++
09 23:42:00 Blazeix Do we want to include the pulseaudio stuff in the ubuntu install tutorial? From what I've heard, its a bit of a mess under ubuntu.
09 23:43:00 Blazeix Does it give enough concrete improvements to be worth the hassle for new people?
09 23:43:00 tommost Why would we need to include it? It's installed by default.
09 23:43:00 Blazeix Oh, I'm looking at the "Hardy Differences" wiki page, which implied it wasn't
09 23:44:00 tommost It wasn't under Gutsy; I had to install it myself.
09 23:44:00 tommost And I think I ran into oddness when I upgraded, since the configuration in Hardy is quite different (system-wide daemon vs. userspace process).
09 23:44:00 auchter this is amazing: `` Ching-Chen Ma Macintosh iBook mac@rose...''
09 23:45:00 andy753421 anyone ever had the problem with ubuntu where you log into GDM but it stalls before starting up gnome?
09 23:50:00 Morasique does gnome-panel go black?
09 23:50:00 Morasique i had that issue if i restarted gdm too many times; it never happened on a normal boot
09 23:51:00 Blazeix Morasique: On the wiki, I'm going to point the link to http://mrozekma.com/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso (the +1 version). I'll give you the iso later tonight/early tomorrow.
10 00:03:00 Morasique ok
10 00:45:00 andy753421 (from #rhrt) we should make a series of intro to linux pages on the wiki
10 00:45:00 andy753421 although, i don't know if I like that idea in general because it's not really related to rose :/
10 00:45:00 Morasique andy753421++
10 00:45:00 Morasique does it need to be?
10 00:45:00 Morasique none of our presentations are either
10 00:45:00 andy753421 that's a good point
10 00:45:00 tommost Yeah. Half the pages on the wiki aren't even related to Linux.
10 00:46:00 Morasique depressingly true
10 00:46:00 andy753421 i suppose that's just my preconception of the wiki because back freshman year when I started it it was supposed to be for anything rose-hulman related
10 00:46:00 andy753421 although, i guess it sortof switched into being the linux wiki these days
10 00:46:00 tommost Oh, really?
10 00:48:00 andy753421 yea, that was the goal, but I don't think it was ever actually used for anything non rose related
10 00:49:00 andy753421 s/rose/linux/
10 00:49:00 tommost Cable channels, recipes, and eateries are Linux related?
10 00:49:00 andy753421 yea, i guess you have a point there
10 00:50:00 Morasique it was true before this summer
10 00:50:00 andy753421 it's funny that it became non linux related only after it became the official website of the LUG :)
10 01:18:00 Blazeix wow fluxbox 1.1 just came out. They added a whole bunch of new features.
10 01:18:00 Blazeix You can have if statements in your keybindings now.
10 01:19:00 tommost Fluxbox has versions? I thought that it was like most window managers, and existed in a sort of eternal suspension after initial development had ceased.
10 01:19:00 tommost Cool.
10 01:19:00 tommost There should be a Ruby window manager; the block syntax would make for an awesome config file.
10 01:19:00 Blazeix tommost: yeah, it went 1.0 about a year ago, this is the first post-1.0 release
10 01:21:00 tommost Wow, lots of signups for the installfest.
10 01:24:00 Blazeix cool. They managed to handle wiki-table syntax this time around.
10 01:25:00 Morasique one guy is bringing a mac
10 01:25:00 Morasique bold move
10 01:28:00 tommost He has expressed interest in the Robotics Team. Don't be mean.
10 01:28:00 Morasique ah. well, i wouldn't want to insult any robotics people. that would be wrong
10 01:32:00 jboticsource Morasique RHRT will send the Terminator after you
10 01:32:00 jboticsource is the guy bringing the mac preston sego?
10 01:33:00 tommost No.
10 01:33:00 tommost His username is actually mac, BTW.
10 01:33:00 Morasique ching-chen ma
10 01:34:00 jboticsource is he a freshman?
10 01:34:00 tommost I expect so.
10 01:34:00 Morasique yeah
10 01:35:00 jboticsource i think i know him or have seen him
10 01:35:00 jboticsource i think he is from shanghi
10 02:22:00 Blazeix I should download more stuff at night. I'm getting excellent 2.2 Mb/sec on the ubuntu 64-bit iso
10 02:22:00 Blazeix I can't even play the all important urbanterror during the day.
10 02:26:00 Morasique we should install urbanterror on all the installfest machines
10 03:34:00 Morasique there's pretty much nothing more entertaining than running eject -t and hearing the cdrom drive retract from across the room
10 10:37:00 octavious professional development is BS.
10 10:37:00 octavious leave it to the ECE department to come up with that requirement
10 10:43:00 auchter i take it you're going to that microcontroller thing tonight?
10 11:42:00 octavious cant actually.
10 13:01:00 Morasique i'd like to thank virtualbox-ose-additions for deciding they need to show the license agreement and block emerge from continuing. that doesn't work well when i'm running it overnight
10 13:09:00 ZetaSyanthis ouch, fail
10 14:09:00 Morasique badass. i wrote a run script that starts two vnc servers on boot, each of which automatically launch one of the virtual machines i use normally. i love this OS
10 14:52:00 andy753421 does rose still have any public solaris machines?
10 14:52:00 andy753421 and/or auchter: does solaris 10 have gtk+-2.0 on it?
10 15:00:00 auchter andy753421: of course, the default desktop for solaris is gnome
10 15:00:00 andy753421 ah, didn't know that
10 15:00:00 andy753421 I think the old solaris machines defaulted to CDE
10 15:01:00 auchter yeah, they did
10 15:01:00 kleinjt http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/rss.xml <-- good RSS feed
10 15:33:00 Morasique kleinjt: Blazeix sent me that yesterday, i like the source code
10 15:36:00 andy753421 This may also be of interest: http://qntm.org/?board
10 15:43:00 Morasique "geocide" is a great wor
10 15:43:00 Morasique d
10 16:08:00 Blazeix I just put the meeting notes into a 'Minutes' category on the wiki.
10 16:08:00 Blazeix Does anyone know how to make this look better? http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Category:Minutes
10 16:09:00 Blazeix its a little ridiculous to have everything under 'M'
10 16:09:00 Morasique i don't think you can customize those pages
10 16:10:00 Morasique you could use a template box on each meeting page instead of the category page, but you'd have to update it manually
10 16:10:00 tommost For recipes I made the category page a redirect to the manually-updated index page.
10 16:11:00 Blazeix hmm, I really don't want to manually update the page.
10 16:11:00 Morasique make a bot to do it :)
10 16:11:00 Blazeix Maybe I'll mess around with 'sort keys.' that looks promising
10 16:11:00 Morasique ooo, we could have a cron job on andy753421's machine
10 16:12:00 Morasique he loves cron jobs
10 16:12:00 Blazeix We should have it fire every minute so its almost always up to date!
10 16:13:00 Morasique perfec
10 16:13:00 Morasique t
10 16:13:00 Morasique damn it, why do i keep dropping letters
10 16:15:00 andy753421 I think the preferred way would be to make a Meetings page and then have Meetings/2008-01-01
10 16:15:00 Morasique that would make more sense
10 16:16:00 andy753421 that way it will automatically put the `< Meetings' link at the top of the page as well
10 16:16:00 Morasique if we want to keep using categories you can specify how the page will show up on the category page, so on Meeting011008 you would do [[Category:Minutes|2008-01-10]]
10 16:16:00 Morasique actually, nm, the indexing would still be stupid
10 16:16:00 Morasique i was picturing it categorizing under "2008", but it would be under "2"
10 16:17:00 auchter
10 16:20:00 Blazeix I think I'm going to have subcategories for years, that way you can drill down and the meetings will be in order.
10 16:20:00 jboticsource http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080910-odd-particl-AP.html
10 16:23:00 auchter all of the meeting pages should be moved to sane locations
10 16:23:00 auchter as in Meeting20080904
10 16:23:00 andy753421 auchter: Meetings/2008-09-04 with or without the hyphens..
10 16:24:00 auchter even better
10 16:24:00 auchter oh, that's what i get for not reading the backlog
10 16:31:00 tommost Morasique: I have a clock now. I'm proud.
10 16:38:00 andy753421 So, why does GNU start with G?
10 16:39:00 auchter because a gnu is an animal?
10 16:39:00 jboticsource g could mean great
10 16:40:00 auchter jboticsource: that'd be arrogant and misleading
10 16:40:00 andy753421 stallman did name it..
10 16:40:00 auchter oh, because he looked in the mirror one day and thought there was a gnu staring back at him?
10 16:41:00 tommost Tuesday at 7:30 also conflicts with the Ballet on Jan 13.
10 16:44:00 Morasique tommost++ (for the clock)
10 16:44:00 tommost :D
10 16:45:00 tommost It's inline in my .Xsession file, which pleases me greatly for some reason.
10 16:45:00 Morasique now add more stuff. the goal is to clutter it enough that auchter says something
10 16:45:00 auchter all the cool kids aren't using .Xsession files
10 16:47:00 Morasique i don't even know what it's for. i use .xinitrc
10 16:48:00 Morasique although the awesome bar stuff isn't inline since that script is about 150 lines long
10 16:49:00 Morasique i wrote up all the senior project meeting notes in org-mode and then realized my teammates either hate emacs or haven't heard of it
10 16:49:00 Morasique sadness
10 16:51:00 auchter i don't even have an .xinitrc, how hardcore is that?
10 16:52:00 tommost I think that .Xsession is a Debianism.
10 16:52:00 Morasique auchter: what do you use?
10 16:52:00 auchter i've got an rc script that sets up my namespace, starts things i want, then starts X
10 16:53:00 Morasique that sounds suspiciously like exactly what .xinitrc is for
10 16:53:00 auchter except i can't use rc.
10 16:53:00 Morasique bonus
10 16:54:00 Morasique you can start X stuff before X starts?
10 16:57:00 auchter no, which is why i start X before starting programs that need x
10 16:57:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/JG6U3t14.html
10 16:59:00 tommost auchter: Why not "exec wmii"?
10 16:59:00 auchter i had a reason, but i forgot it
10 17:00:00 Morasique what's the difference? i just run awesome too
10 17:00:00 tommost I thought that you didn't keep around the old process when you exec something, so it would save memory, which would be why auchter would do it.
10 17:49:00 Morasique damn it. i had \def\var instead of \def\var{} in a latex file. you would not believe the confusing problems that can cause
10 17:57:00 tommost I'd believe it. After all, pretty much any Latex error I've ever encountered qualified as confusing, of not downright opaque.
10 17:57:00 Morasique it caused completely unrelated problems, i still don't know how
10 18:03:00 Morasique anybody know how when defining a new command to make it evaluate function calls within the definition immediately instead of when the function is called?
10 18:03:00 Morasique i know there's a way but i can't remember what it is
10 18:06:00 Blazeix awesome, most of the new freshman added themselves to mailing list.
10 18:22:00 tommost Can anyone else connect to exchange?
10 18:26:00 Morasique tommost: seems to be fine
10 18:26:00 tommost Hmm.
10 18:27:00 Morasique i just realized, does everyone else see Blazeix's LUG e-mail as arriving an hour later than it did?
10 18:28:00 tommost It shows up as 6:09 in exchange webmail.
10 18:28:00 Morasique hmm
10 18:30:00 Morasique oh, i just realized my desktop's clock is an hour behind too
10 18:30:00 Morasique stupid timezones
10 18:31:00 tommost Morasique++
10 18:36:00 auchter UTC ftw
10 18:52:00 tommost The terminal server has been nagging me all day that it needs to be restarted. I'd happily click the "Restart now" button to make it go away, except it's ghosted.
10 18:52:00 tommost Moral: Windows fails.
10 18:53:00 Morasique that sounds like an iait failure, but i'm ok with blaming both
10 18:56:00 tommost I've filed a support ticket, but they're being so slow to respond lately that I may have to deal with it for days now.
10 19:00:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/cs/csse497/
10 19:01:00 Morasique why don't people know about 301 codes?
10 19:56:00 auchter tommost: i can't connect to exchange either.
10 20:09:00 Blazeix so, next version of ubuntu is "Jaunty Jackalope"
10 20:09:00 Blazeix Apparently its going to focus on "web applications"
10 20:09:00 Blazeix this worries me.
10 20:10:00 auchter i heard that it's bumping the web up a full version
10 20:10:00 auchter but instead of web 3.0, they've adopted codenames
10 20:10:00 auchter this one will be "writhing weasel"
10 20:10:00 Blazeix "Blurring of web services and desktop applications" was another goal Shuttleworth listed
10 20:11:00 Blazeix I was hoping for Jaundiced Jabberwock
10 20:17:00 Morasique "jaundiced"? nice
10 20:17:00 Morasique wow, python detects if you use an assignment within a map() call
10 20:17:00 Morasique i know you're not supposed to, but i figured i'd do it anyway
10 20:19:00 Morasique oh wait, no. it was because i misused python's terrible lambda
10 20:19:00 auchter *gasp* how dare you insult python! </mock outrage>
10 20:20:00 Morasique python's lambda is a travesty
10 20:25:00 tommost Using lambda and map together generally indicates that you're doing something wrong already.
10 20:26:00 Morasique er. i almost always use lambda with map
10 20:26:00 Morasique and this doesn't really have anything to do with map anyway, lambda is broken in general, not just in this case
10 20:32:00 Morasique can you break out of more than one loop with continue?
10 20:32:00 Morasique it's looking like no
10 20:32:00 tommost Yeah, I don't think so. You have to use exceptions.
10 20:33:00 Morasique yeah....no. i'll find another way :)
10 20:35:00 tommost Tell me when you do.
10 20:35:00 tommost I'm curious what you'll come up with. ;)
10 20:35:00 Morasique well, i'm not getting around it, i just rewrote that block to not have a double loop. it was stupid anyway, i was just being lazy
10 20:36:00 tommost Morasique++
10 20:36:00 Morasique it ended up being one line when i rewrote it, so apparently the first way was exceptionally stupid
10 20:37:00 tommost Yeah, things do tend to work out like that.
10 20:39:00 Morasique i'm awful at remembering to do self.x instead of x
10 20:39:00 Morasique which makes no sense, because i always do this.x in java
10 20:39:00 tommost I tend to swap them because I use both self and this in JavaScript.
10 21:04:00 Mishtal to the conversation i missed about webapplications and ubuntu blurring their line between desktop apps.
10 21:04:00 Mishtal the day that happens, is the day i switch to a different distro
10 21:10:00 Morasique :D google's logo today is the LHC
10 21:12:00 auchter yeah, i just saw that
10 21:16:00 Blazeix Mishtal: how about today?
10 21:18:00 auchter Blazeix++
10 21:26:00 auchter andy753421: when you get a chance, could you send me the output of lspci on lug.rose-hulman.edu? i'm trying to get dma working under plan9 on the other machine
10 21:47:00 Mishtal Blazeix: what do you mean?
10 21:59:00 Blazeix Mishtal: nothing, I was just taking a swipe at Ubuntu
10 22:01:00 Mishtal Actually, i have been meaning to try other distrobutions. maybe tomorrow during the install fest someone can help me re-do my whole system. i need to have windows back on here *shudder*. im getting really stressed out not being able to play the occasional game without having to jump through hoops. and i figure i should know about different distros anyway. i was hoping someone could tell me if red-hat, suse, gentoo, or slackware would be w
10 22:02:00 Mishtal good thing i got this harddrive working temporarially thanks to Jay, i wont need to do any backup, cause im doing to dump all my important data onto it tonight and w/e i end up doing tommorow goes on my 320 gig
10 22:04:00 Morasique Mishtal: urban terror
10 22:04:00 Morasique ftw
10 22:05:00 Mishtal not the biggest fan of online shoots
10 22:06:00 Morasique well, you're wrong
10 22:09:00 Mishtal in unrelated news....... does anyone know how to get angel to stop failing at life? all of my professors use the built in angel calendar.. and its annoying to have to go to each different course to check for assignemnts.... anyone know of a way to just get auto calendar updates to some local program?
10 22:09:00 Morasique laughs
10 22:10:00 Morasique wait....are you serious?
10 22:10:00 Mishtal yes. i am serious
10 22:10:00 Morasique we've been talking about how horrible angel is for a year
10 22:11:00 Mishtal ive looked for the past 15 minutes to find some way to merge them all inside angel and am failing
10 22:11:00 Mishtal well, no shit
10 22:11:00 Mishtal doesnt anyone have even a little anti-fail for it...???
10 22:11:00 Morasique ok, i'll rephrase: no
10 22:11:00 Mishtal pretty please...?
10 22:11:00 Mishtal :-(
10 22:17:00 auchter why the hell can't you subscribe to an ical feed?
10 22:19:00 auchter angel is confusing, i'm glad none of my profs this quarter are using it
10 22:39:00 Mishtal All of mine are, it makes me sad
10 22:40:00 Mishtal unrelated question: what would you guys use to store program states from session to session? a just a file that gets read at each start up and changes dumped appropriately?
10 22:41:00 auchter in general, or are you talking about some specific program?
10 22:43:00 Mishtal one that ive been meaning to write.
10 22:43:00 Mishtal a CLI to-do list manager
10 22:43:00 Mishtal i want it to be very simple
10 22:44:00 Mishtal and was going to just have it generate a to-do list file on first run, and subsequently just read it in, and dump it back out every time a change is made.
10 22:44:00 Blazeix Mishtal: yeah, I would just store it in a file.
10 22:44:00 Blazeix although, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few existing cli todo list programs
10 22:45:00 Mishtal could you tell me the names of them? i did a general google search, and poked around in synaptic and a few forums without any luck
10 22:45:00 Morasique org-mode!!!
10 22:46:00 Mishtal ok?
10 22:46:00 Morasique emacs -f org-mode
10 22:46:00 Morasique no
10 22:46:00 Morasique er. ignore that
10 22:46:00 auchter Mishtal: remind
10 22:46:00 Morasique but yeah. try org-mode, it's happy
10 22:47:00 Morasique we were talking about a terminal todo program in here once, i don't remember what it was called though
10 22:48:00 auchter that was probably me, and i was probably talking about wyrd
10 22:48:00 Blazeix Morasique: Yeah, I was looking for that. I think we were talking about remind
10 22:48:00 auchter which uses remind
10 22:48:00 Blazeix ah
10 22:48:00 Blazeix a google search turned up something called todo.sh
10 22:48:00 auchter also, plan9's calendar(1)
10 22:48:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/irc/logview/2008-07.log#line-356
10 22:58:00 Morasique when i set a reminder on a recurring event in thunderbird it likes to immediately pop up the reminder for the most recently passed occurrence. you'd think it would assume i want it to start reminding me only for future occurrences
10 23:00:00 Morasique i continue to be convinced that code is naturally elegant, all the things i didn't like about this are going away as i keep writing
10 23:06:00 auchter Mishtal: what?
10 23:06:00 auchter erm, that should have been directed at Morasique
10 23:10:00 Morasique auchter: as i keep writing code for this assignment and changing things, i'm finding that all the stuff i disliked when i originally wrote it is disappearing as a side effect. my conclusion is that the right code is also elegant automatically, which is a comforting thought
10 23:11:00 Morasique according to the search tool chenoweth's username is "chenowet", but it's not. i'm not sure how that happens
10 23:11:00 Morasique it's "chenoweth" like all the other faculty
10 23:12:00 Morasique er. maybe. it's "chenowet" on the schedule lookup page too. his email is "chenoweth" though
10 23:12:00 Morasique wtf
10 23:19:00 Blazeix Morasique: We have a lot of email aliases set up by default. chenowet is probably his kerberos name, and chenoweth is an alias.
10 23:19:00 Morasique ah. that still raises the question of why his kerberos name is chenowet; aren't the professors always just their last name?
10 23:21:00 Blazeix yeah, I think they usually are. Maybe its related to the fact that chenowet is an 8 character cutoff,
10 23:21:00 auchter "Doo, doo doo doo doo doo doooooo!"
10 23:23:00 Morasique oh yeah, i guess it is limited to 8 for professors too. i never noticed that
10 23:23:00 Morasique auchter--
10 23:24:00 auchter shadghost--
10 23:24:00 Morasique auchter++
10 23:24:00 auchter hmm... shadghost--
10 23:24:00 Morasique auchter++
10 23:24:00 Morasique there's a conservation of karma between you two
10 23:24:00 auchter i was just performing an experiment to verify that
10 23:25:00 auchter the con aps profs would be happy
10 23:26:00 auchter heh, so i'm installing orcad in my vm which is running in kvm.
10 23:27:00 auchter the installer is 4 cds, so i have four isos. kvm only supports one cdrom drive at a time
10 23:27:00 auchter so whenever the installer prompts me for the next cd, i hibernate, switch the iso, and restart, which is getting annoying
10 23:28:00 auchter which would have worked alright if i wasn't getting a crc error in the installer now
10 23:32:00 Morasique you can't switch the cdrom while it's running?
10 23:32:00 Morasique that's weird
10 23:33:00 auchter not as far as i can tell
10 23:35:00 auchter it's scary that our irc logs come up on the second page when i googled for ``hip4081 pspice''
10 23:37:00 Morasique it's scary that our logs are on google at all
10 23:41:00 shadghost auchter-- #unless you tell me why i deserved taht
10 23:43:00 auchter Morasique++
10 23:43:00 Blazeix Morasique: for our senior project, have you seen gnupdf?
10 23:44:00 Blazeix They haven't actually released any code, but it seems to be heavily developed.
10 23:44:00 Morasique no, but that sounds suspiciously like a gnu project, which would be anti-commercialization
10 23:45:00 Morasique oh wait, is gnu the one that lets you use stuff but you have to release changes?
10 23:45:00 Morasique shadghost--
10 23:46:00 auchter Morasique: what do you mean "use stuff"?
10 23:47:00 Morasique i think you can use gnu stuff in your code and keep your code closed, but if you change the gnu code you have to release the changes as open source
10 23:47:00 Blazeix right, that's my understanding
10 23:47:00 Morasique ok
10 23:47:00 Morasique also, this isn't encouraging: http://gnupdf.org/Lib:Roadmap
10 23:47:00 auchter that's not my understanding
10 23:47:00 Morasique suck
10 23:47:00 Morasique that might be another license, i can't keep them straight
10 23:47:00 auchter i'm likely wrong though
10 23:49:00 Blazeix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#The_GPL_in_court
10 23:50:00 Blazeix the first couple sentences make it sound like the issue is undecided.
11 00:03:00 Blazeix hmm, I wonder if it would be worth writing our own overlay system for pdfs.
11 00:09:00 Morasique it would depend on the toolkit, but i figured it'd be pretty simple to have the toolkit paint the pdf on a window so we can just draw over it
11 00:09:00 andy753421 auchter: http://pastie.org/270200
11 00:10:00 auchter andy753421: thanks
11 00:10:00 andy753421 Morasique: I thinks there's a quote somewhere that states that the longer you look at the same code the better it starts to look
11 00:10:00 andy753421 or more precisely, the more you contribute/add to the codebase
11 00:12:00 Morasique i would think it would be a reverse effect
11 00:13:00 auchter the more i look at my code the greater the urge to rewrite it
11 00:15:00 auchter andy753421: could i get a lspci -vvvx?
11 00:16:00 andy753421 auchter: $ nc lug.rose-hulman.edu 12345 > /tmp/lspci.txt
11 00:16:00 auchter haha, you're insane
11 00:17:00 auchter you need the nopaste script, so you could do lspci -vvvx | nopaste
11 00:17:00 Morasique i should learn how to do that
11 00:17:00 andy753421 ooh
11 00:17:00 Morasique presentation opportunity :)
11 00:18:00 Morasique for about 30 seconds
11 00:18:00 MrBucket101 hey guys, when is installfest going to end
11 00:18:00 Morasique when everyone is done installing
11 00:18:00 Morasique we have the room for 2 or 3 hours i think
11 00:18:00 MrBucket101 estimate? I've got soccer practice at 4:30, so im trying to see if i can make it
11 00:18:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, that gave me a truncated lspci
11 00:18:00 Morasique 2 or 3 hours
11 00:19:00 andy753421 hold on, i'm emerging nopaste
11 00:19:00 MrBucket101 ok, sweet, is it just for ppl who need help installing or can i show up for help with something else
11 00:19:00 auchter oh, it's in portage?
11 00:19:00 Morasique it's officially for installing but i'm sure we can look at anything
11 00:19:00 andy753421 yea, apparently it needs ruby
11 00:19:00 Morasique you know where else it is? the internet
11 00:20:00 auchter i used the script in /n/sources/contrib/fgb/rc/nopaste (i think that's the path)
11 00:20:00 auchter it uses rc, tr, sed, and hget.
11 00:20:00 andy753421 http://rafb.net/p/HxQh4l74.html
11 00:20:00 MrBucket101 i virtualized my HD for use in a virtual machine, and after i booted into windows from the HD inside a VM, i can no longer natively boot, do you think you guys can help me fix that, or should i just get my computer imaged
11 00:21:00 MrBucket101 natively boot windows***
11 00:22:00 Morasique it sounds like a windows problem, but we can try
11 00:23:00 MrBucket101 ill try and stop by then, thx...back to HW
11 00:24:00 Blazeix What does it do when you try to boot? Does it partially load windows?
11 00:28:00 auchter andy753421: i don't see the SATA controller's id listed in http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/sdata.c (around atapnp)
11 00:29:00 auchter (8086 2651)
11 00:29:00 auchter the ide controller seems to be there, though (8086 266f)
11 00:29:00 andy753421 auchter: does it support ahci?
11 00:29:00 andy753421 http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/sdiahci.c
11 00:30:00 auchter i'm sure it does, what do you have to do to use that? is that not in the default conf?
11 00:30:00 andy753421 I don't think so, there's usually a bios setting
11 00:32:00 auchter it looks like that's in the default kernel: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/pc
11 00:32:00 auchter i'll give a try to adding that device id to sdata.c, what's the worst that can happen ;)
11 01:01:00 Morasique interesting. apparently ctrl+m does a newline in emacs, and rebinding ctrl+m to do something else also causes the enter key to do that thing too
11 01:01:00 Morasique that's strange
11 01:02:00 auchter Morasique: try ctrl-m in a terminal...
11 01:03:00 Morasique well that doesn't tell me much, i can think of at least two other hotkeys that feed a line too
11 01:03:00 andy753421 Morasique: ever opened a dos file in unix ;) you'll get ^M's at the end of all the lines
11 01:03:00 Morasique yeah, that probably should've tipped me off
11 01:57:00 Morasique tommost: i was testing if you could receive stuff, that was from when you said you couldn't connect to exchange
11 01:57:00 tommost Oh. I though that you had just configured GPG or something.
11 01:57:00 Morasique no, although i didn't have your key apparently
11 02:04:00 tommost Yeah, I didn't have yours, so I assumed.
11 02:07:00 Morasique damn it. Blazeix did like half our senior project in the last 8 hours
11 02:07:00 Blazeix Well, its a proof of concept. we should try to phase out that Gimp part of it.
11 02:08:00 Blazeix by the way, pyPdf is BSD Licensed, so we're good to go on that one.
11 02:08:00 tommost What are you guys using for a GUI toolkit?
11 02:10:00 Blazeix we haven't decided, I'm pushing for Qt or wxWidgets
11 02:11:00 tommost In my experience, WX is crummy on Linux.
11 02:11:00 tommost GTK+ would be nice.
11 02:11:00 Blazeix yeah, QT also seems to be pretty promising, based on what I've read about it.
11 02:12:00 tommost How's the Python interface?
11 02:13:00 andy753421 I'd like to use GtkBuilder and Glade for ours, but I'm not sure if that's going to happen..
11 02:13:00 Morasique all i remember about glade was thinking it was very cool
11 02:13:00 tommost It is.
11 02:13:00 tommost It's nice from Python, too.
11 02:14:00 tommost I'm using it for our robot's GUI.
11 02:14:00 Blazeix tommost: not bad, here's a test app I wrote earlier today: http://pastebin.com/m5e1d3299
11 02:15:00 Blazeix I used GTK+/glade for an app a while ago. I really liked it, although I couldn't find any information on the Mac look&feel. That's pretty important for our project
11 02:15:00 tommost sighs
11 02:15:00 Blazeix I seem to recall substandard looks under windows, as well, although that was a while ago.
11 02:15:00 tommost No, it looks totally native under Windows now.
11 02:15:00 Morasique we should use tkinter
11 02:15:00 Morasique ....
11 02:15:00 tommost Morasique--
11 02:16:00 andy753421 i think the mac port is basically `Use X11' although i think they are/were working on an aqua port
11 02:17:00 Morasique curt said python uses cocoa directly now
11 02:17:00 Morasique supposedly
11 02:17:00 andy753421 http://developer.imendio.com/projects/gtk-macosx/
11 02:18:00 Blazeix Morasique: yeah, although I dislike the idea of having separate GUIs
11 02:18:00 Blazeix It'd be interesting to learn cocoa, though, I've been hearing a lot about it recently
11 02:18:00 Morasique yeah, avoiding that would be good, but if a unified gui is going to suck i would rather have separate ones
11 02:19:00 Morasique we should have a channel for this. i wonder if we could talk isaac and kris into using irc
11 02:19:00 Blazeix It sounds like Kris doesn't even have IM, so probably not.
11 02:20:00 tommost How to you pick groups for senior projects?
11 02:20:00 Morasique you choose them yourself
11 02:21:00 Morasique i think strictly speaking they're assigned, but you always get who you say you want to be with
11 02:22:00 Blazeix Oh, cool. Apparently Qt and parts of wxWidgets use native OS controls
11 02:22:00 Blazeix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(toolkit)#Use_of_native_UI-rendering_APIs
11 02:23:00 Morasique oh, good
11 02:26:00 tommost I have managed to create an assembly file that confuses SPIM greatly: http://dpaste.com/77381/
11 02:26:00 tommost J.P. is confused, too.
11 02:26:00 tommost I have tried spim, xspim, and pcspim under wine.
11 02:28:00 Morasique what happens?
11 02:28:00 tommost Nothing. It says that it loaded it successfully, but nothing changes.
11 02:29:00 Morasique none of the registers change?
11 02:31:00 tommost Nope. Nor does the list of instructions or the data.
11 02:32:00 Morasique i have no idea. try commenting out blocks to see when it starts working, maybe you can find one particular line that's causing it
11 02:33:00 tommost Good idea.
11 02:37:00 tommost Okay, FYI, SPIM requires \r\n line endings. Even on Linux.
11 02:37:00 Morasique wow
11 02:39:00 Morasique it's amazing how (like so many similar things) we just accept that. windows ends in \r\n, linux in \n, mac os in \r
11 02:39:00 Morasique when you think about it it's utterly absurd that they couldn't even agree on what character to end lines with
11 02:39:00 tommost No, I think that it's blindingly stupid.
11 02:39:00 tommost And does mac still use \r?
11 02:39:00 Morasique i thought so
11 02:39:00 Morasique i don't really keep up with mac stuff
11 02:40:00 tommost It seems like they'd have to patch everything to heck to make all the Unix utilities work.
11 02:42:00 Blazeix interesting. Apparently if you want to commercial with Qt, you have to pay licensing fees.
11 02:42:00 Blazeix wxWidgets, is licensed under a LGPLish license, so its not a problem for proprietary/commercial software
11 02:42:00 Blazeix s/,//
11 02:45:00 Morasique hmm. is there a reason we're ignoring gtk?
11 02:45:00 tommost Yeah, shame about the lameness of Mac GTK+. Are there any other toolkits around?
11 02:46:00 Morasique oh yeah, i forgot mac didn't have gtk
11 02:46:00 tommost It does, it just doesn't look macish.
11 02:47:00 Morasique ah
11 02:47:00 Morasique and there's the porting thing andy753421 linked too, but i don't know how far along that is
11 02:47:00 Morasique not-macish++
11 02:47:00 tommost Yup. It's not a bug; it's forward compatibility. ;)
11 02:51:00 Morasique one of my homework problems randomly ends with "Turn in your answers to your instructor"
11 02:51:00 Morasique yes, i know. i've done homework before
11 02:52:00 tommost Hey, the CSSE dept web site is back up.
11 02:53:00 tommost And it looks like someone fails at mod_rewrite.
11 02:54:00 Morasique er. wtf
11 02:54:00 Morasique who does that?
11 02:54:00 Morasique ever?
11 02:55:00 Morasique the cs department is that dangerous group that knows enough to try and do non-trivial things, but doesn't know enough to pull it off
11 02:56:00 Blazeix I'm going to send out the email reminder to people who signed up for the installfest.
11 02:57:00 Blazeix I think I'll send it to LUG as well, under the theory that spam is good.
11 02:57:00 Morasique ok. you might as well copy lug
11 02:57:00 Morasique oh. yeah, good call
11 02:57:00 tommost Blazeix++
11 02:57:00 Morasique and then forward it to all campus
11 02:57:00 Morasique :)
11 03:02:00 Blazeix I bcc'd the emails of the attendees, by the way, so its not just to lug.
11 03:02:00 Morasique ooo, you used "today". bold move
11 03:02:00 Blazeix I also assumed that they had backups. I'm living dangerously.
11 03:02:00 Morasique and a hard drive
11 03:14:00 Morasique we have to convert english sentences to logical expressions: "Sean or Brad admires Meryl and Harrison"
11 03:14:00 Morasique ....what? who would write that?
11 03:16:00 Blazeix Chenoweth or Wollowski writes that and more.
11 05:33:00 Morasique i clicked a link in angel, and i was thinking "wow, it's going to suck to move my mouse all the way over to the download link". but no! after a mere 5 seconds, angel clicked the link for me. thanks angel!
11 05:33:00 Morasique i should e-mail that to angel learning, maybe they'll put me on their homepage like a testimonial
11 08:35:00 andy_plan9 auchter: drawterm on an FPGA
11 08:39:00 auchter andy_plan9: this intrigues me...
11 08:39:00 auchter how'd you come up with that idea?
11 08:40:00 andy_plan9 i was thinking of setting up my laptop to boot directly into drawterm and realized the complete waste of hardware
11 08:40:00 andy_plan9 are they doing the diglent competition again this year?
11 08:41:00 auchter probably. that sounds like it'd be a lot of work, though
11 08:41:00 andy_plan9 yea.. you'd have to find a tcp/ip stack to use
11 08:41:00 auchter or make my own il stack!
11 08:41:00 auchter </joke>
11 08:42:00 auchter yeah, i'd have to look into how drawterm works again
11 08:44:00 octavious opencores.org? for TCP/IP stack?
11 09:00:00 auchter i think the easier and more useful thing would be to get the plan9 kernel running on the beagle board
11 09:55:00 andy_plan9 If you implemented in an fpga without a reall OS, would you theretically be able to print it on a single IC?
11 09:56:00 ZetaSyanthis should be able to... altera actually makes a line of fpga-like asics that you program once like an fpga and permanently perform that function
11 10:28:00 povilusr_desktop what is the svn client for linux
11 10:29:00 Morasique ...svn :)
11 10:29:00 povilusr_desktop thats not working in ubuntu i dont thin
11 10:29:00 Morasique you don't use tortoise or any of that nonsense, you use svn directly
11 10:29:00 Morasique ubuntu definitely has a package for it, i don't remember the name
11 10:29:00 Morasique i would think 'subversion
11 10:29:00 Morasique '
11 10:30:00 povilusr_desktop oh yeah svn is a acronim
11 10:43:00 Morasique i hadn't truly experienced awful UI until i tried to reset my ieee.org password
11 10:43:00 Morasique why the hell do they use POST for everything?
11 10:43:00 Morasique who does that?
11 10:44:00 Morasique also hooking onKeyDown to watch for enter and submitting the form on the page, regardless of where i am when i press enter. that's awesome
11 11:04:00 Morasique i suspect wollowski uses copy/paste on our schedule: http://mrozekma.com/logic.png
11 11:26:00 Morasique good news: if you try to use cdrecord to blank your hard drive, it won't work. just in case that ever comes up
11 11:27:00 octavious new ReverseEngineering subreddit...seems pretty cool
11 11:28:00 octavious i think i will read this instead of paying attention in class
11 11:53:00 Morasique octavious: that is always a good plan
11 11:53:00 Morasique i'm horribly behind on my rss feeds, i need to stop doing homework
11 12:01:00 Morasique wow, the RE subreddit has a lot of subscribers for being 11 hours old
11 12:01:00 octavious Morasique: it was posted to the programming subreddit
11 12:02:00 Morasique ah. i remember when i used to read that. before i had *homework*
11 12:02:00 Morasique glares at professors
11 12:02:00 tommost I got online and was interested by the new regular expression subreddit. Then I read the log and was disappointed.
11 12:02:00 Morasique tommost: you should start it :)
11 12:03:00 tommost I, too, have homework.
11 12:03:00 tommost And a Greasemonkey presentation to make.
11 12:03:00 Morasique don't be silly, you're a sophomore CS. they don't do anything
11 12:03:00 Morasique :)
11 12:03:00 Morasique oh wait, you're an SE
11 12:03:00 Morasique they really don't do anything
11 12:03:00 tommost I have Honors Chem this quarter.
11 12:03:00 tommost It sucks up a surprising amount of time.
11 12:03:00 Morasique i loved that class. i will do your homework for 1 cookie per day
11 12:04:00 tommost Um... what type of cookie? ;)
11 12:04:00 Morasique we'll start with banking sites and go from there
11 12:05:00 tommost What would actually be useful—i.e., the part that is actually difficult for me—is if you could memorize stuff for me, then inject your preprogrammed brain matter into my skull.
11 12:05:00 Morasique i'm not sure how that works. somebody do a presentation on it
11 12:05:00 Morasique if your brain were running linux i bet we could do it
11 12:06:00 auchter andy_plan9: doing anything on the scale of drawterm on an fpga would be extremely time intensive
11 12:06:00 Morasique fun fact: cdrecord goes faster if you change the -speed switch to a higher number
11 12:07:00 auchter Morasique: erm, you didn't know that?
11 12:07:00 auchter please tell me you're using driveropts=burnfree too
11 12:07:00 Morasique no, i was aware :). i'm making fun of myself, i accidentally used a way-too-low number on my first burn (i'm burning ubuntu cds)
11 12:07:00 Morasique and no; should i be?
11 12:07:00 Morasique i don't know what that does
11 12:07:00 auchter prevents buffer underruns
11 12:07:00 Morasique that sounds like it should be a default
11 12:08:00 auchter "The default is to turn BURN-Free off, regardless of the defaults of the drive."
11 12:08:00 Morasique odd
11 12:08:00 Morasique will it fail visibly if there is a buffer underrun?
11 12:08:00 auchter likely
11 12:08:00 Morasique ok, 'cause i'm too lazy to check these discs to make sure they're burning correctly
11 12:08:00 Morasique i'll add it on my next burn though, thanks
11 12:09:00 auchter yeah, i don't think buffer underruns are too common these days, but 8 or so years ago i remember burning coasters all the time
11 12:14:00 auchter wow, two of the three books in the HSS book club i've read and are among my most hated books
11 12:14:00 octavious bookclub--
11 12:15:00 Morasique hss--
11 12:33:00 Morasique it seems to be 50/50 when i click "reply" in an ANGEL forum if the original post text is going to show up or just say "null"
11 13:35:00 tommost Does OpenOffice Impress seriously not have a keyboard shortcut for inserting a slide?
11 13:41:00 auchter openoffice is pretty horrible
11 13:41:00 auchter which is why we use latex
11 13:42:00 tommost Yeah, this is a level of fail equivalent to Microsoft's failure to add a new folder keyboard shortcut to Explorer.
11 13:43:00 auchter <9fans>you've got the source, add it yourself</9fans>
11 13:43:00 auchter <apple>His Holiness said we didn't need it, and that's good enough for me.</apple>
11 13:44:00 tommost Frankly, I'm surprised that they didn't just clone the shortcut in PowerPoint, which is perfectly reasonable.
11 13:45:00 tommost It's not like the OO.o folks usually display any inclination to *improve* on Microsoft's interface; they could at least not make it worse.
11 13:51:00 auchter so can people stop sending out dumb emails?
11 13:54:00 tommost Can people stop using JPEG to send us e-mails that are nothing but text? If you feel obligated to sink to using an image, please use a PNG.
11 14:33:00 Morasique auchter: alt+i, e :)
11 14:38:00 auchter Morasique: ?
11 14:39:00 auchter also, shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost--
11 14:41:00 Morasique auchter: to insert a slide
11 14:41:00 Morasique auchter++ shadghost--
11 14:43:00 auchter that was tom who was complaining, i don't use OO
11 14:43:00 Morasique oh, right
11 14:43:00 Morasique tommost: !-4
11 14:44:00 tommost That doesn't really count.
11 14:44:00 Morasique heck yes it does, i do stuff like that all the time
11 14:44:00 Morasique i couldn't open the font dialog anymore in office 2007 because i used the hotkey ctrl+o, enter, and it wouldn't work anymore
11 14:44:00 Morasique s/ctrl/alt/
11 14:45:00 tommost Well, of course it can do that. You can insert a folder in Explorer that way too. That doesn't make it not fail.
11 14:45:00 Morasique it makes it fail less :)
11 14:45:00 tommost There are 26 letters on the keyboard. Therefore there should be at least 26 Ctrl+letter combinations.
11 14:47:00 Morasique new solution: use emacs
11 14:48:00 tommost I don't have time to figure out why beamer isn't working before I need to present.
11 14:48:00 tommost That's the only reason I'm using this world of fail program.
11 14:49:00 tommost There doesn't seem to be any way to insert formatted (i.e. colored) text. At all. I'm screenshotting my code in a pastebin and inserting it as an image.
11 14:49:00 Morasique that's depressing
11 14:49:00 Morasique i think we ran into that on our plp presentation
11 14:51:00 Morasique tangent: did we abandon the idea of pizza at the installfest?
11 14:51:00 Morasique i think the no-budget killed it, but we never really said
11 14:51:00 tommost The installfest is now a potluck.
11 14:52:00 Morasique mmk
11 14:53:00 auchter actually, since i don't have the time to make anything, i was thinking of picking up a pizza
11 15:19:00 Morasique some random guy just walked in and then backed out. i can't believe how often that happens
11 15:19:00 tommost Where?
11 15:19:00 Morasique O233
11 15:20:00 tommost You're in class?
11 15:20:00 Morasique no, i just hang out in classrooms sometimes
11 15:20:00 Morasique it's lonely in my room
11 15:20:00 Morasique HA! now i'm not in class. yay bell
11 15:28:00 Morasique i was in line behind a girl at the mail center counter who was picking up a package, who for a solid 30 seconds would not say anything but "package". they would say "mailbox number?", and she would say "no, package". over and over
11 15:29:00 tommost Impressive.
11 15:30:00 Morasique and a guy in the lab just confused a blackberry with an iphone
11 15:30:00 Morasique it's like screaming "this is in no way my lab"
11 15:33:00 Morasique aww, mac os is back on the mac. somebody bring me an ubuntu cd, quick!
11 15:40:00 Morasique i like bullet #1: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Comparison_of_Mail_Servers#Sendmail
11 15:40:00 Blazeix Morasique and I will be bringing 14 8.04.1 install disks to the installfest. (10 32-bit, 4 64-bit)
11 15:40:00 Morasique Blazeix: i gave you all my discs, i have nothing
11 15:40:00 Blazeix are we going to have any others.
11 15:40:00 Blazeix Morasique: yeah, I was counting those.
11 15:41:00 Morasique ok
11 15:42:00 auchter i've got two ubuntu CDs and 4 blank
11 15:43:00 Blazeix I have the 32-bit and 64-bit ISOs on my flash drive, so we can burn more at LUG if we need to.
11 15:56:00 Morasique you all should hear the discussion going on in the lab
11 15:56:00 tommost It's quite amusing.
11 15:56:00 Morasique this guy is explaining how you can get the javascript out of webpages. not using view -> source, some other convoluted mechanism
11 15:56:00 Morasique they also said there's no way they can use php; i missed why, but i was close to jumping in
11 15:56:00 Morasique something about security
11 15:57:00 tommost I think that he's talking about typing "javascript:function_name" to see the source. No duh.
11 15:57:00 tommost Well, security !== PHP.
11 15:57:00 Morasique ah. yeah, you can view the source too. somebody should tell them about javascript, they'll never write web apps again
11 15:57:00 Morasique er. s/javascript/wget/
11 15:57:00 tommost When you can't even write an HTML escaping function without security issues...
11 15:57:00 Morasique that's a low blow, html escaping is a huge pain
11 15:58:00 Morasique i think we've had this conversation before
11 15:58:00 tommost I was talking about htmlspecialchars(). There's nothing complex there.
11 15:58:00 Morasique oh. what was wrong with it?
11 15:59:00 tommost It had buffer overflow vulnerabilities or something.
11 15:59:00 Morasique nice. i blame C
11 15:59:00 Morasique glares at auchter
11 16:00:00 tommost http://www.novell.com/linux/security/advisories/2006_67_php.html
11 16:01:00 Morasique well that's depressing. at least it's most secure than javascript though, according to recent rumors you can get the source code if you're h4x0r enough
11 16:04:00 tommost Yes, apparently being able to see the source code makes something insecure.
11 16:04:00 tommost Someone should tell these guys what a disassembler is.
11 16:05:00 Morasique don't tell anybody, but i actually have the source code to linux on my machine
11 16:05:00 Morasique i'm using it right now to crack your machines
11 16:05:00 auchter i'm sad i'm missing this
11 16:06:00 jboticsourc1 THE SOURCE CODE TO LINUX? IMPOSSIBLE! YOU MUST BE 1337 LEET UBAR HAXORZ.
11 16:07:00 Morasique jboticsourc1: oh. i am
11 16:08:00 Morasique they stopped talking about technology because his mom called
11 16:08:00 Morasique i'm sad
11 16:08:00 Morasique ooo, he just said his mom's e-mail out loud. i should e-mail her
11 16:10:00 tommost I stopped paying attention for a minute. I regret this.
11 16:10:00 Morasique tommost left his computer unlocked
11 16:10:00 tommost Morasique++ Morasique++ Morasique++ Morasique++
11 16:10:00 Morasique thanks tommost!
11 16:11:00 tommost Aww.
11 16:11:00 tommost Why is there a copy of "Entertainment" on the CS lab coffee table?
11 16:11:00 Morasique i'm sitting next to a copy of "cocoa programming for mac os x". i'm hoping nobody notices
11 16:12:00 auchter tommost: you can fix that
11 16:13:00 tommost I set it next to Morasique.
11 16:13:00 Morasique now entertainment is cloaking the mac programming book. i'm not sure if this is better or worse
11 16:16:00 Morasique they're talking about whether or not they should use acrnoyms -- they're leaning towards using them but building in a google search box on the page to facilitate looking them up quickly
11 16:16:00 tommost I guess they haven't heard of <abbr>.
11 16:16:00 Morasique it sounds like they haven't heard of a lot of stuff
11 16:17:00 Morasique oh god no
11 16:17:00 tommost Now they're talking about doing it with JavaScript.
11 16:17:00 Morasique i was going to jokingly say they should have the words link to their definitions, i hate sites that do that. they just seriously suggested it
11 16:17:00 tommost On double-click.
11 16:17:00 tommost Now its ...browser gestures?
11 16:18:00 Morasique he hates mouse gestures because he kept accidentally doing them? solution: don't hold down the right mouse button and drag at random
11 16:18:00 tommost Okay, good, they don't like them.
11 16:18:00 Morasique that's like "i hate keyboards because i type randomly when i set books on them"
11 16:18:00 tommost Good point.
11 16:18:00 Morasique tommost: mouse gestures own
11 16:18:00 Morasique tommost--
11 16:19:00 Morasique auchter is making fun of my mac book :'(
11 16:19:00 Morasique auchter--
11 16:19:00 tommost Morasique--
11 16:20:00 Morasique everytime somebody mods me down i'm going to mod them down twice. escalation
11 16:21:00 tommost This syntax works too: --Morasique--
11 16:26:00 jboticsourc1 mishtal wanted me to forward this to LUG
11 16:26:00 jboticsourc1 (16:24:38 PM) Michael Zachary Jones: could you forward a message to LUG chat on IRC and let them know im bringing my 320 gig external if anyone needs backupness
11 16:26:00 jboticsourc1 (16:24:46 PM) Michael Zachary Jones: i dont have access to IRC here for some reaosn
11 16:38:00 Morasique auchter-- for laughing at my mac book
11 16:38:00 Morasique on second thought, auchter++
11 16:39:00 Morasique http://go.dzil.la/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/linuxgeek.png
11 16:39:00 auchter andy_plan9: adding the vendor id to sdata.c lets me enable dma
11 16:39:00 auchter so that box is now actually fast
11 16:44:00 Morasique that senior project group is sitting at a table in front of four computers, looking around complaining that there's no clock in here
11 16:46:00 auchter Morasique: my flatmate is in that group
11 16:47:00 auchter the ones behind me, right?
11 16:47:00 Morasique congratulations
11 16:47:00 Morasique yes
11 16:47:00 auchter well, he's not actually there right now
11 16:47:00 tommost povilusr_desktop: Bring Ethernet cable!
11 16:47:00 Morasique povilusr_desktop--
11 16:47:00 Morasique shadghost--
11 16:47:00 Morasique for not reminding povilusr
11 16:47:00 auchter shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost--
11 16:48:00 Morasique what did you say? i missed that
11 16:48:00 Morasique shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost--
11 16:48:00 Morasique shadghost-- shadghost-- shaghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shahdghost--
11 16:48:00 Morasique ?
11 16:48:00 Morasique something like that?
11 16:49:00 auchter so, anyone for pizza?
11 16:49:00 Morasique are you paying?
11 16:49:00 auchter partially
11 16:49:00 Morasique auchter+-
11 16:53:00 auchter we need to convince the indian restaurant to have a dish called Haskell Curry
11 16:57:00 Morasique http://mrozekma.com/doesshadghosthavepositivekarma.php
11 16:57:00 Morasique auchter++
11 17:05:00 auchter anyone else for pizza
11 18:03:00 Morasique auchter: coming?
11 18:12:00 quark do you guys know how to print on a samba printer on the network
11 18:12:00 quark you guys are all at the lug I bet
11 18:12:00 Morasique we're all at the installfest
11 18:13:00 Morasique andy753421: you should come :)
11 18:13:00 andy753421 hey, i'll be over around 6:30
11 18:13:00 quark yeah
11 18:13:00 quark but you are on irc
11 18:13:00 quark so you can still help!
11 18:13:00 andy753421 how's the meeting/installfest going?
11 18:15:00 tommost Okay.
11 18:15:00 tommost There are lots of people here.
11 18:17:00 andy753421 ok, i've got about 6 liters of chili and some corn bread that'll be done in ~10 minutes
11 18:19:00 andy753421 does anyone have bowls?
11 18:19:00 jboticsource I have a 2.4 Liter engine in my car. you could run my car though 2.5 full cycles to pump the chili
11 18:20:00 tommost jboticsource: You win the randomness award.
11 18:20:00 tommost I have a bowl. I am alone in that, however.
11 18:21:00 andy753421 ok, we need something paper/styrofoam
11 18:21:00 jboticsource if u despritely need bowls, i can run back to my apt and get a stack
11 18:28:00 andy753421 jboticsource: do you have disposable bowls?
11 18:28:00 tommost He says no.
11 18:29:00 andy753421 ok
11 18:38:00 andy753421 alright, i'm heading over in a couple minutes
11 19:11:00 kleinpa how is the installfest going?
11 19:11:00 jboticsource installiful
11 19:12:00 kleinpa is it still going?
11 19:12:00 kleinpa and likly to continue going
11 19:14:00 jboticsource yes, it si still going
11 19:14:00 jboticsource LINUX POWER
11 19:49:00 Morasique /quit brb
11 19:50:00 Morasique er. fail
11 20:43:00 Morasique anybody know who that guy was installing gentoo? we should have him come to lug next week, we could probably do it in the course of a meeting
11 20:48:00 auchter Morasique: from the back looking towards the front: the one on the right side of the room, or on the left side?
11 20:50:00 Morasique the left, the one that was partitioning the whole time
11 20:50:00 Morasique actually, i suppose they both were
11 20:50:00 Morasique they didn't get far
11 20:50:00 tommost Why would Gentoo partitioning take longer than Ubuntu's?
11 20:50:00 auchter the one on the left is in my german class, and in here too (i think his username is carberry)
11 20:50:00 Morasique it doesn't, they both came late
11 20:51:00 Morasique auchter: ok
11 20:51:00 tommost Okay, I was confused.
11 20:51:00 auchter tommost: yeah, they were using ubuntu's partitioner anyway
11 20:51:00 Morasique for some reason both of the people installing gentoo came a good 90 minutes after we started
11 20:51:00 auchter so on my required list of lab parts for tomorrow, i need hemostats
11 20:52:00 auchter i'm wondering if there's going to be much blood in this lab.
11 20:54:00 Morasique i can't imagine what cpe lab would require surgical equipment
11 20:59:00 povilusr_desktop collinjc and or anyone else who knows mosfet =tions what is r(pi) for a mosfet?
11 20:59:00 povilusr_desktop im inclined to assume infininty
11 21:01:00 Blazeix povilusr_desktop: beally says he thinks it's infinity
11 21:04:00 povilusr_desktop yeah thats what im thinking, thanx
11 21:12:00 povilusr_desktop i hate it when profesors ask questions with super obvious questions
11 21:14:00 Mishtal quick question: how to register domain = EternalOrb.com ?
11 21:16:00 Morasique go to a registrar?
11 21:17:00 Mishtal Dont know what a registrar is...
11 21:17:00 Mishtal which is why i asked
11 21:17:00 Morasique godaddy.com is one, i don't know what most people use
11 21:17:00 Morasique that's what i use
11 21:17:00 collinjc povilusr_desktop: Yes I believe it is infinity as well.
11 21:17:00 tommost Don't use godaddy; it's evil. So is Network Associates.
11 21:17:00 Morasique yeah, everyone says that, i've had 0 problems
11 21:17:00 Morasique similar to the "how could you use tigerdirect? they're so awful!" people
11 21:18:00 tommost Mishtal: Are you going to be buying hosting as well?
11 21:18:00 povilusr_desktop collinjc why did she ask that question
11 21:18:00 tommost Morasique: They are. I vaguely remember pain.
11 21:18:00 Mishtal no. i will not be buying hosting
11 21:19:00 collinjc povilusr_desktop: She seems to ask a lot of dumb questions. Just look at the prelab for example.
11 21:19:00 Mishtal i just want EternalOrb.com to point to w/e i tell it to
11 21:19:00 Morasique you just need a registrar then, you don't need hosting
11 21:19:00 Mishtal I am my own host. of course i dont :-D
11 21:19:00 Mishtal recomended registrar?
11 21:19:00 Morasique tangent: 2 karma to whoever goes and registers it i distract him
11 21:20:00 Mishtal asswhipes
11 21:20:00 Morasique like i said, i like godaddy, but lots of other people don
11 21:20:00 Morasique 'tt
11 21:20:00 Morasique wow. fail
11 21:20:00 Morasique don't
11 21:20:00 Mishtal its all in good fun
11 21:20:00 Mishtal sorry, didnt mean to sound pissed
11 21:20:00 Morasique i'm talking about my typing
11 21:20:00 Mishtal i forgot the emoticon thingy
11 21:20:00 Mishtal oh
11 21:20:00 Mishtal k
11 21:20:00 Morasique i am unable to type "don't" apparently
11 21:20:00 Mishtal of course not
11 21:20:00 Morasique but yeah, google "registrar" and you'll find tons
11 21:21:00 Mishtal ok
11 21:22:00 Mishtal i was hoping for someone to just tell me one that wont rip me off.. but ill shop around.
11 21:22:00 Mishtal thanks for the info
11 21:24:00 auchter 01:14 < Mishtal> quick question: how to register domain = EternalOrb.com ?
11 21:24:00 auchter 01:16 <@Morasique> go to a registrar?
11 21:24:00 auchter 01:16 < Mishtal> Dont know what a registrar is...
11 21:24:00 auchter 01:16 < Mishtal> which is why i asked
11 21:24:00 auchter gah, copying and pasting is too easy in linux
11 21:25:00 Mishtal yes. but once i got the reply for my first question, i asked a second question
11 21:25:00 auchter erm, what?
11 21:26:00 Morasique Mishtal: anything under $10 is decent
11 21:27:00 Mishtal auchter: (21:18:37) Mishtal: I am my own host. of course i dont :-D
11 21:27:00 Mishtal (21:18:43) Mishtal: recomended registrar?
11 21:27:00 Mishtal (21:18:54) Morasique: tangent: 2 karma to whoever goes and registers it i distract him
11 21:28:00 auchter either i'm completely out of it, or the past 5 minutes in here have made absolutely no sense
11 21:29:00 Morasique i am now totally confused
11 21:30:00 auchter i have no idea what the hell just happened
11 21:32:00 Mishtal Morasique: you said you've used GoDaddy.com?
11 21:32:00 Mishtal you said 10$ is a decent price for a year. any specific problems youve run into with them?
11 21:33:00 Morasique no, but others have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Daddy#Controversies
11 21:44:00 jboticsource oh btw, i have a ubunut cd that was left at the fest
11 21:46:00 Morasique jboticsource: if it's a cd-rw it's Blazeix's
11 21:47:00 jboticsource it is all fancy and printed with the logo and a nice case
11 21:47:00 jboticsource it looks like it came from the ubuntu people
11 21:48:00 Blazeix no, that's not mine. It might be povilusr's
11 21:48:00 Blazeix povilusr_desktop's
11 21:48:00 collinjc 64-bit?
11 21:48:00 jboticsource yes
11 21:49:00 collinjc It is mine. You can have it if you like, however. Or give it to someone with a 64-bit machine.
11 21:50:00 jboticsource thanks for the offer, but i don't need it. I will drop it in the lab then.
11 21:51:00 collinjc That works. We should just leave it in there to live boot the mac.
11 21:51:00 jboticsource live boot the mac........
11 21:54:00 tommost Mac + Ubuntu CD + spot welding = :D
11 21:54:00 jboticsource spot welding?
11 21:55:00 jboticsource oh to keep the disk in lol
11 21:55:00 jboticsource you could just do the right thing.......
11 21:56:00 jboticsource smokey the linux bear wants to remind YOU that only YOU can install Linux and FOSS
11 21:56:00 collinjc Or just remove the stupid eject key from the keyboard. I don't think mac users would know how to do it without the key.
11 21:56:00 collinjc Unless dragging it to the trash can still works. Which was even more horrible than the keyboard thing.
11 22:00:00 Morasique they're doing fire drills, btw
11 22:01:00 jboticsource where?
11 22:01:00 Morasique on campus, everywhere
11 22:01:00 Morasique they do them all the same night, they just go from dorm to dorm
11 22:01:00 jboticsource lol i live vq
11 22:02:00 auchter jboticsource: i could arrange a test of your fire alarms.
11 22:02:00 auchter we'll see how fast the thfd responds
11 22:03:00 jboticsource hmmm. i would like that to be avoided
11 22:04:00 auchter i'm pretty sure the vq doesn't actually test the fire alarms.
11 22:04:00 collinjc They tested ours last year.
11 22:05:00 auchter ah, cool.
11 22:07:00 collinjc Not really. They woke me up in the process.
11 22:08:00 auchter oh. yeah, it's weird when they are randomly in your apartment unexpectedly.
11 22:10:00 jboticsource do they really do that?
11 22:10:00 auchter yay windows: http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-12_02:06:22_1920x1200.png
11 22:10:00 Morasique nice
11 22:12:00 jboticsource http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
11 22:19:00 tommost Morasique: Thanks for the heads-up.
11 22:20:00 tommost auchter: That looks nasty.
11 22:20:00 auchter surprisingly windows actually did end up booting
11 22:21:00 Morasique yeah, once it repaired all the damage it caused
11 22:21:00 Morasique you'd think they would worry that it's possible for files on their filesystem to end up orphaned
11 22:21:00 Morasique there should be no need for a check like that
11 22:22:00 auchter is there a way to draw a line with gimp?
11 22:22:00 andy753421 speaking of stuff breaking, steve told us today that our client probably won't mind if our software crashes because they can always just restart it :)
11 22:22:00 Morasique wow
11 22:22:00 andy753421 auchter: point, hold shift, next point
11 22:22:00 Morasique also, i hear you're writing in java. that amused me thoroughly
11 22:23:00 auchter andy753421: thanks.
11 22:25:00 andy753421 um, the guy said that java might be good, but he's not requiring it
11 22:25:00 andy753421 i want to do GTK+ using glade for the UI
11 22:25:00 Morasique oh. darn
11 22:26:00 andy753421 and then c/python/ruby/something for the backend
11 22:26:00 andy753421 but i forgot to mention that today
11 22:31:00 auchter Morasique: you're doing cocoa, so i don't think you have much room to critcise
11 22:33:00 Morasique we're not, curt thinks we are
11 22:33:00 Morasique we're going to break the news over time :)
11 22:34:00 Morasique the 221 schedule page has all the wrong dates and reading assignments. i feel very bad for the students in that class
11 22:39:00 tommost My chemistry schedule/checklist is the same way. I have almost not done assignments because of it.
11 22:40:00 tommost Awesome, Thunderbird has managed to get a Rose e-mail before Outlook.
11 22:40:00 jboticsource could have something to do with it not sucking
11 22:41:00 tommost Okay, now Thunderbird has a two e-mail lead.
11 22:42:00 tommost jboticsource: No, both suck for different reasons.
11 22:43:00 jboticsource what is wrong with TB?
11 22:44:00 Mishtal @ the firealarm conversation from before... Im pretty sure i unplugged my fire alarm. it wouldnt stop blaring at me, so i unplugged it. *shrug*
11 22:46:00 tommost It's UI generally sucks.
11 22:46:00 Morasique we did that sophomore year, it kept going off
11 22:46:00 tommost It pops up boxes all the time.
11 22:46:00 tommost It's just annoying.
11 22:47:00 Morasique tommost: that's why you banish it to a separate tag: rule { name = "Thunderbird" tags = "nine" }
11 22:47:00 tommost I have it on two.
11 22:48:00 tommost It still likes to pop up password boxes whenever Gmail refuses to talk to it... with the "remember this password" box unchecked, despite the pre-filled password.
11 22:49:00 Morasique yeah, i can never get it to remember my password
11 22:49:00 Morasique although i had that problem with outlook too
11 22:49:00 Morasique i can't add ldap servers either, i don't know what happened
11 22:49:00 Morasique i fill out the add dialog, hit "Ok", and nothing
11 22:55:00 Mishtal the thing that bothers me about thunderbird is that i keep getting messages dated from several days before, and they end up halfway up the list
11 22:58:00 Morasique that sounds like a mailserver problem
11 23:04:00 Mishtal I would agree, but i never see this problem on web-access. no big deal
11 23:04:00 tommost If I didn't care about being able to read HTML e-mail I'd probably be using mutt or something by now.
11 23:07:00 jboticsource i am not sure how you are accessing the rose mail servers. But what i do is that i have my gmail acoount go and pull all the email off of the rose servers. once pulled gmail tags and filers teh incoming mail. i have noticed the same problem as you. i have noticed that gmail has done that late download thing you are talking about.
11 23:07:00 jboticsource i am pretty sure it is a problem with the rose servers
11 23:07:00 Mishtal more than likely
11 23:08:00 Mishtal it used to take RH-V about an hour to get emails for rose students, but non-rose students (aka, the two isu students working there in some retarded terre haute gayness thingy) would get them right away
11 23:08:00 Mishtal i stopped having gmail pull my rose emails
11 23:08:00 Mishtal it just started to get annoiyng
11 23:09:00 jboticsource i like having all of my email in one place. i only need to set up one account
11 23:09:00 Mishtal yea
11 23:09:00 Blazeix Mishtal: the email server I administer had the same problem (but more like a 20 minute delay for rose students).
11 23:09:00 tommost I need to finish setting up my server to do my e-mail for me.
11 23:10:00 Blazeix Suddenly, on Monday everything started working correctly.
11 23:10:00 Mishtal Blazeix: which email server do you administer...?
11 23:10:00 Blazeix apo
11 23:10:00 Mishtal huh
11 23:10:00 Mishtal ok
11 23:11:00 Mishtal i try to avoid having much personal stuff dependent on web services
11 23:11:00 Mishtal it makes me nervous having one place with too much of my information... not that it really matters. i just like the comfort of fooling myself
11 23:12:00 jboticsource i do just the opposite
11 23:12:00 jboticsource google wont go down or die or suffer from iait
11 23:12:00 Mishtal you and JP-Verkamp
11 23:12:00 jboticsource i know that it works
11 23:14:00 tommost It doesn't; that's what's scary. Google IMAP once went down for several days for me.
11 23:15:00 jboticsource but you can just log on to the google site and do stuff there
11 23:15:00 jboticsource worst case
11 23:18:00 tommost Oh, also, another thing I don't like about Thunderbird is that it doesn't save it's labels on the IMAP server, so none of that stuff gets persisted when it decides that it wants to hose your profile.
11 23:18:00 auchter are labels actually part of the IMAP rfc?
11 23:19:00 tommost I wouldn't expect so.
11 23:19:00 tommost Thunderbird uses pseudo-headers to store them in the mbox, I believe. Couldn't it just send the modified message back to the server?
11 23:19:00 Blazeix povilusr_desktop: You just made beally quite angry.
11 23:19:00 jboticsource yea i may have noticed that. but you can shift email around in TB and sync it to the server. It just means that you set up your folders on teh server.
11 23:19:00 tommost Speaking of mbox, that's another thing I hate about Thunderbird.
11 23:20:00 Blazeix He just read your comment in the log about "=tions"
11 23:20:00 tommost Folders don't colorize stuff in my inbox.
11 23:20:00 Blazeix "=tions" == "Equations", right?
11 23:23:00 jboticsource wow, i am not even that bad
11 23:25:00 tommost Although actually, now that I think about it, the reason that I want everything to be in a stream in my inbox is that TB doesn't make it simple to keyboard navigate between folders. Also, its search feature sucks.
11 23:25:00 jboticsource i am sure that there is a hotkey extension that you could get for it. never had a problem with the searching
11 23:43:00 tommost I have had it fail to find a straight substring match. I just log into Gmail when I need to find e-mail now.
11 23:52:00 Morasique tommost: are you sure you had the right search category selected? it defaults to sender/subject i think
11 23:52:00 Morasique i've never had a problem with the search
11 23:52:00 tommost Yes, I know. I always change it to full text.
11 23:52:00 tommost But it's so sloooow.
11 23:53:00 Morasique ah. get a faster computer :)
11 23:53:00 tommost Or a less-sucky e-mail client.
11 23:54:00 tommost I could probably do better with grep on a maildir.
11 23:57:00 auchter ok, i need windows help
11 23:58:00 auchter i go to install the pdf995 printer program, this install completes successfully, but no printers show up in ``Printers and Faxes''
11 23:58:00 auchter furthermore, clicking on ``Add a printer'' causes nothing to happen
11 23:58:00 Blazeix auchter: easy. /etc/rc.d/cups restart
11 23:58:00 Morasique it's /etc/init.d/cups restart
11 23:58:00 Morasique but yes
11 23:59:00 auchter thanks, #rhlug.
11 23:59:00 Morasique i think "<@auchter> ok, i need windows help" made my day
11 23:59:00 jboticsource only the finest in here
11 23:59:00 Morasique try #rhwin
12 00:00:00 Blazeix I was just in rhwin, but Morasique BSOD'd me.
12 00:00:00 jboticsource same
12 00:00:00 Blazeix ncurses.
12 00:00:00 Morasique this is fun :)
12 00:00:00 Morasique auchter joined to say ":(" and left again :)
12 00:03:00 tommost auchter: Try PDFCreator instead.
12 00:03:00 auchter will that let me print to it?
12 00:05:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-12_04:01:26_1920x1200.png yes, windows, i noticed. thanks, though
12 00:05:00 Morasique i think they missed the point of the unobtrusive information bar
12 00:06:00 jboticsource auchter : did you miss the bar?
12 00:07:00 Morasique "Testing an argument with 14 atomic sentences would take a table containing over 16 thousand rows. You could probably get a Ph.D. in logic for building a truth table that size."
12 00:07:00 Morasique tempting
12 00:07:00 auchter the bar crashed IE.
12 00:08:00 jboticsource Morasique: why not just have a computer do it? :)
12 00:10:00 Blazeix I have very sad news.
12 00:10:00 Blazeix the new xkcd.com has no title-text.
12 00:10:00 Blazeix err, xkcd comic, not website
12 00:10:00 Morasique Blazeix: heresy
12 00:12:00 jboticsource it has text "Further Boomerang Difficulties"
12 00:13:00 Morasique alt text doesn't count, they always have the title in the alt
12 00:13:00 jboticsource xkcd has gone down hill anyway
12 00:14:00 Morasique gasps
12 00:14:00 auchter i liked it before it was cool</needless snobbery>
12 00:14:00 Morasique i liked it way before auchter
12 00:14:00 Morasique like, 7 before
12 00:14:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-12_04:10:39_1920x1200.png
12 00:14:00 Morasique windows--
12 00:15:00 Morasique abort, retry, fail?
12 00:15:00 Morasique just keep hitting ignore until it finishes
12 00:15:00 Morasique that always works
12 00:16:00 auchter i did, and it didn't work.
12 00:16:00 jboticsource pray
12 00:16:00 auchter right, because that always yields results
12 00:17:00 jboticsource i dont know what else would work in windows
12 00:17:00 jboticsource pray.exe
12 00:17:00 jboticsource it does not run under wine because it does not need to
12 00:23:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/shots/2008-09-12_04:19:19_1920x1200.png this is painful and absurd
12 00:30:00 Mishtal i had the windows kernel seg-fault on me today when i was powering down... nothing involving windows is absurd... just microsoft
12 00:31:00 Morasique auchter: you and windows just don't get along
12 00:52:00 tommost auchter: I've been getting a similar "not a valid image" error on my VM, though with a different DLL.
12 00:54:00 auchter searching for help on windows problems can be fun, just look at this awesome page: http://www.updatexp.com/aboutme.html
12 00:55:00 Morasique "an absolute marvel at MS Excel spreadsheets :-)"
12 00:55:00 Morasique wow, i'm not sure which of her "favorite phrases" is worst
12 00:59:00 auchter take some time to look around the site, it's hilarious
12 01:06:00 andy753421 I need to make myself a gentoo overlay :/
12 01:17:00 Morasique why?
12 01:18:00 andy753421 because i'm tired of adding new ebuilds to /usr/portage and having them get deleted the next time I emerge --sync :)
12 01:18:00 Morasique oh. yeah, i don't think you're supposed to do that :)
12 01:18:00 Morasique is it hard?
12 01:18:00 andy753421 adding an overlay?
12 01:18:00 Morasique making one
12 01:19:00 andy753421 no, it's pretty trivial, i've just never bothered to do it
12 01:20:00 andy753421 # mkdir /usr/local/portage; sed -i 's/#\(PORTDIR_OVERLAY\)/\1/' /etc/make.conf
12 01:21:00 andy753421 then just add ebuilds there and use `ebuild foo.ebuild digest' to make them available
12 01:21:00 Morasique ah. neat
12 01:21:00 andy753421 i mostly just use it for version bumping :)
12 01:55:00 andy753421 did someone mention something a while back about making emerge's dependency checking run faster?
12 02:07:00 auchter andy753421: not me, octavious maybe?
12 02:14:00 Morasique i did, you can back it with sqlite instead of a flat file
12 02:14:00 andy753421 ok, how much of a speed improvement did you get from that?
12 02:15:00 andy753421 i'm did that but it doesn't seem all that much faster
12 02:15:00 Morasique not much actually
12 02:15:00 tommost How is it that someone hasn't come along and rewritten emerge in C?
12 02:24:00 andy753421 tommost: they have
12 02:24:00 tommost Did it not help?
12 02:25:00 andy753421 i don't think it's really stable
12 02:25:00 tommost Ah.
12 08:40:00 auchter loading the agilent driver GPIB driver in a vm pegs my cpu
12 08:41:00 auchter windows is even more fun when it lags behind your input by about 7s
12 08:44:00 andy_plan9 does virtual memory (shown by ps/top/htop) include mmapped files?
12 08:54:00 auchter does chauncy's have a website that lists their dvds? if not, being able to talk to a bot only sounds frustrating
12 09:52:00 Morasique auchter: what bot?
12 09:52:00 Morasique i don't think there's a website
12 09:52:00 Morasique oh, i should read my e-mail
12 09:53:00 Morasique damn, i thought they actually wrote a bot, that would be cool
12 09:53:00 Morasique they have people staffing it
12 09:57:00 auchter oh, you're joking.
12 09:58:00 Morasique i wonder if they at least have it set up to make noise when they get an IM, i'm picturing somebody sitting in front of the terminal for 8 hours staring at the message window
12 09:58:00 Morasique we should offer to write a bot, but i imagine they don't store their rental records electronically
12 10:00:00 auchter so really, each time i ask for a movie someone gets up and physically looks for it?
12 10:01:00 Morasique yes. we should DoS it :)
12 10:01:00 Morasique they might check the paper records
12 10:01:00 Morasique it's probably equally easy
12 10:01:00 Morasique s/easy/hard/
12 10:01:00 auchter indeed. i wonder what they'll do when i ask if they have any movies my a specific director...
12 10:01:00 Morasique tell you they don't know :)
12 10:01:00 auchter well, it's worth a try.
12 10:02:00 andy753421 they used to have a website that did that but I think it's crashed a long time ago
12 10:03:00 auchter wow, surprising.
12 10:05:00 Morasique that's encouraging though, maybe they do keep the records electronically
12 10:06:00 Morasique they might be able to come up with enough stuff to make a 37{1,2} project out of it
12 10:07:00 auchter database entry and creating a simple website is sufficient for a 37[12] project?
12 10:07:00 Morasique that's pretty much what my 372 project was
12 10:16:00 Morasique they made dropbox public 5 dates after they came out with the linux client i was patiently waiting for with my beta key
12 10:16:00 Morasique s/dates/days/
12 10:23:00 auchter what's dropbox?
12 10:26:00 Morasique it's like an automatic svn
12 10:26:00 Morasique you can flag a folder and it will keep it in sync with the dropbox server, and you can have the folder checked out on multiple machines
12 10:26:00 Morasique it's not sufficiently different from svn for me to have actually tried it yet
12 10:26:00 Morasique it looks nice though
12 10:26:00 Morasique except the linux version is a nautilus plugin
12 10:27:00 auchter why is that better than rsync?
12 10:27:00 Morasique it keeps a history of past states of the file, and has a web interface
12 10:28:00 auchter i see...
12 10:28:00 auchter their website doesn't inspire a lot of confidence
12 10:29:00 auchter i'm using rsync.net for offsite backups, it's excellent.
12 10:29:00 Morasique the video shows essentially how it works
12 10:29:00 Morasique oh, i've never seen that
12 10:29:00 Morasique so you pay for it?
12 10:29:00 auchter yeah, there's a student discount though
12 10:29:00 auchter which is 50% off
12 10:34:00 Morasique http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/710pm/why_the_xscreensaver_password_dialogue_doesnt_use/c05ehlh
12 10:35:00 Morasique i thought he was joking at first. he's not
12 10:45:00 Morasique sighs
12 10:45:00 Morasique look at the turnin dates on this: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/cs/csse413/assignments/forestfire.html
12 10:45:00 Morasique "Tuesday, September 16" for the first part, and two lines later, "Wednesday September 18th"
12 10:46:00 Morasique besides factual problems, he should learn how to write dates consistently
12 10:46:00 andy753421 maybe he wants you to start turning it in in Wed. and finish turning it in on the 18th
12 11:52:00 auchter hah, from the article linked to by Morasique's link: ``That's obviously a bad thing, as it results in people typing their passwords into IRC channels.''
12 12:31:00 Morasique i just realized, wollowski's e-mail is wollowski@rose-hulman.edu even though that's nine characters. i conclude that iait is just stupid
12 14:47:00 auchter tommost: so, how about that plan9 computer?
12 14:47:00 tommost Oh, yeah. You want that tomorrow?
12 14:49:00 auchter sure
12 14:53:00 andy753421 Morasique: his username is still `wollowsk', and we all have >8 character e-mails as well (andrew.l.spencer@rose.. for example)
12 14:53:00 Morasique oh yeah, i forgot about the e-mail aliasing thing, Blazeix mentioned that
12 15:02:00 jboticsource the first lost and found email is here!
12 15:20:00 Morasique who is ncw000? that's the third time that's happened
12 15:21:00 tommost Natan Weiss (sp?) I think. He's on the robotics team and was at the installfest last night.
12 15:29:00 tommost s/Natan/Nathan/
12 15:29:00 tommost Also, has anyone else been amused by the way all of their teachers' laptops have been prompting them to restart all day?
12 15:43:00 Morasique tommost: tell him to learn how to connect for more than a second
12 15:44:00 Morasique this school has way too many CPEs :)
12 15:44:00 minifig904 Next time you play nexuiz, look for minifigNet. I'll eventually have a firewall preventing off-campus use, but for now, anyone can play anywhere.
12 15:45:00 tommost Who are you, David?
12 15:45:00 Morasique i think crr was the one who plays that; he's not here
12 15:45:00 minifig904 tommost, yeah, I'm David.
12 15:45:00 Morasique tommost: n=blissdw@blissdw-1.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu
12 15:46:00 tommost I think that the way I wrote "David" indicates that I've already LDAP'd him. I was looking for actual information.
12 15:46:00 minifig904 Ah.
12 15:46:00 minifig904 CPE, Freshman, BSB130.
12 15:46:00 Morasique oh, i read it as you guessing his name was david
12 15:46:00 andy753421 auchter: daryl just stopped by and said that the LUG can pick up one of the Sun Blades and try installing linux on it during our meeting on thursday
12 15:46:00 tommost Ah, okay.
12 15:46:00 tommost Cool.
12 15:47:00 minifig904 Ooh, sounds like fun.
12 15:47:00 andy753421 apparently they were trying to install Ubuntu on it and failed, my guess would be the lack of Sparc binaries...
12 15:47:00 tommost Oh, yeah, they discontinued those.
12 15:47:00 tommost Gentoo FTW!
12 15:48:00 andy753421 yep, or debian
12 15:48:00 Morasique or arch
12 15:48:00 Morasique just kidding
12 15:48:00 tommost Morasique++
12 15:54:00 tommost ...would Plan9 run on it?
12 15:55:00 bolandmg Andy says he doesn't think there's a port for the architecture
12 15:55:00 bolandmg (he's next to me poking at the computer right now)
12 15:55:00 tommost I'm surprised.
12 15:57:00 Morasique there's a version of emacs called jemacs. it's exactly what it sounds like
12 15:58:00 tommost Booo.
12 15:58:00 andy753421 whoo, i got a three button mouse as well
12 15:58:00 andy753421 it's a ball mouse, but oh well
12 15:58:00 tommost You swiped a freshman's laptop?
12 15:58:00 andy753421 no, i got a sun mouse
12 15:58:00 tommost Free stuff table?
12 15:59:00 andy753421 no, i asked darryl if I could have one
12 16:02:00 andy753421 also, they're probably going to be selling the 150's for $25-$50
12 16:02:00 tommost 150's?
12 16:02:00 andy753421 the sun blades
12 16:02:00 tommost Oh.
12 16:03:00 tommost Well, those aren't remotely useful, are they?
12 16:03:00 tommost Are there cases nice? And do they have standard power supplies?
12 16:03:00 andy753421 they'll run X and work just fine as a web server
12 16:03:00 andy753421 well, maybe not for logview, but for any sane website :P
12 16:03:00 tommost :D
12 16:11:00 auchter for $25-$50, i'm definitely down for one
12 16:11:00 auchter do they have any blade 1000s or 1500s or 2500s?
12 16:11:00 tommost If it's on the low end, I think that I want one.
12 16:11:00 andy753421 I don't remember ever seeing any of those
12 16:11:00 Morasique andy753421: at the lug meeting we were discussing adding voting capabilities to logview so you could up or down vote each line :)
12 16:12:00 andy753421 what?
12 16:13:00 Morasique TBoneULS was complaining that it takes too long for him to read the logs, so we were talking about adding the ability to vote lines as good or bad in logview. maximum bloat
12 16:14:00 andy753421 Ah, I bet you could improve the speed by asynchronously requesting each line
12 16:14:00 Morasique obviously. logview should mimic digg as much as possible
12 16:19:00 tommost I was thinking that I'd extend logview to parse all the previous logfiles so that karma could be tracked on an all-time basis.
12 16:20:00 tommost Also, I think that a database should be involved.
12 16:20:00 andy753421 see what databases do to you..
12 17:18:00 tommost http://www.requestcomics.com/comic/7.html
12 19:10:00 auchter what's a good name for the plan9 cpu/auth server?/
12 19:11:00 tommost vampira
12 19:12:00 auchter ok. which reminds me, i really need to watch plan 9 from outer space.
12 19:13:00 auchter we should have lug movie night
12 19:13:00 tommost Good idea.
12 19:24:00 andy753421 wow, i just realized that acme doesn't use fixed width fonts
12 19:25:00 auchter not by default, no
12 19:25:00 auchter /lib/ndb/local.complicated makes that painfully obvious with its long list of root nameservers which annoyingly don't line up
12 19:51:00 auchter andy753421: ok, i've got the cpu/auth server pretty much set up: vampira.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu
12 19:52:00 andy753421 auchter: are you over in the lab?
12 19:52:00 auchter andy753421: yeah
12 19:52:00 andy753421 alright
12 19:52:00 andy753421 i may stop by in a little bit
12 19:52:00 auchter ok
12 19:52:00 auchter do you want me to create an account for you?
12 19:53:00 andy753421 not at the moment
12 19:53:00 auchter ok
12 19:54:00 andy753421 random question, does plan 9/fossil/venti have an indexing program? (e.g. locate)
12 19:54:00 auchter no idea
12 20:21:00 Morasique :D there's a file named 'local.complicated'? nice
12 20:25:00 Morasique everytime i slip and hit refresh on an angel page i hate them just a little more
12 20:34:00 Morasique http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/intellectualproperty/protocols/default.mspx
12 20:34:00 Morasique i remain suspicious
12 21:28:00 Morasique holy crap, my opengl works
12 21:28:00 Morasique something during my kernel upgrade magically fixed it
12 21:28:00 Morasique those little spinning gears are the greatest thing ever right now
12 21:31:00 Morasique i think this officially ends the list of issues i need to fix. what am i going to do with myself?
12 21:31:00 Morasique wait, i know: shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost-- shadghost--
12 21:32:00 andy753421 Morasique: sudo rm -f /lib/libc*
12 21:37:00 Morasique strangely tempting
12 21:37:00 Morasique i'm pretty good at breaking things by accident, i don't think i'll need to resort to that
12 21:37:00 Morasique i hate when things fix without me knowing how, now if opengl doesn't work when i wake up tomorrow i have no idea what to do
12 21:37:00 andy753421 it's running nvidia opengl correct?
12 21:38:00 Morasique yeah
12 21:38:00 Morasique all i've done is upgrade from 2.6.24 to .25 and rebuild the module. i rebuilt the module many times on .24 with no success, i'm not sure what changed now
12 21:38:00 andy753421 strange, i know you have to reinstall nvidia-drivers each time you upgrade the kernel, and then use eselect opengl set nvidia..
12 21:40:00 andy753421 might have been a bug or something in 2.6.24, did you enable /dev/agpgart enabled?
12 21:40:00 andy753421 or DRI? I think with nvidia those both cause problems
12 21:46:00 Morasique i'm not sure about dri; i had /dev/agpgart on
12 21:53:00 Morasique oh, i have to change my kerberos password. sadness
12 21:54:00 andy753421 i haven't got that one yet, although i'm going to have to look for ways around it..
12 21:55:00 Morasique last time i added a single character and it was fine with that; i suspect i'll be adopted a similar plan this time
12 21:55:00 Morasique s/adopted/adopting/
12 23:05:00 Morasique fun fact: windows remote desktop will fail if your clock is wrong, it says it can't contact the remote host
12 23:18:00 Morasique yay for the cs department having a gentoo mirror; nexuiz is 273mb and i just got it in 31s
12 23:43:00 Morasique yay launry
12 23:44:00 Morasique laundry
12 23:44:00 Morasique i fail
12 23:44:00 Morasique somebody should volunteer to do my laundry for me
12 23:44:00 Morasique i offer 3 karma
12 23:45:00 Morasique *--
13 00:01:00 andy_plan9 auchter: what (if anything) do you use to access files off of a unix system form plan 9?
13 00:02:00 andy_plan9 i've been trying u9fs and srvssh but neither of them seem to work well..
13 00:05:00 andy753421 if I knew what I was doing, i would do a native port of u9fs that used pam :)
13 00:05:00 andy753421 well, by native i mean that used libixp or something
13 00:22:00 Mishtal http://ufailpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/neverobsolete.jpg
13 00:22:00 Mishtal fail
13 00:23:00 auchter andy_plan9: sftpfs
13 00:43:00 andy753421 I wonder what would happen if I pulled out the usb stick I'm using as swap space...
13 00:44:00 Mishtal find out
13 00:44:00 Mishtal i want to know as well
13 02:02:00 Morasique andy753421: did you ever try it?
13 02:02:00 andy753421 no
13 02:02:00 andy753421 maybe i'll try it next time i need to reboot
13 02:02:00 Morasique i would think sudden loss of active swap space would be fatal, but linux is pretty awesome about that sort of thing
13 02:03:00 andy753421 i'm guessing a kernel panic, or if it's really good, it'll just segfault anything that's swapped out
13 03:35:00 jboticsourc1 i think i just ran out of ram
13 03:39:00 Blazeix Does anybody remember the name of the rose-hulman alumnus who worked on Plan 9?
13 03:40:00 Morasique waves at auchter
13 03:45:00 Morasique i've probably downloaded java from sun's website a hundred times, and i'm still not sure which of the 10,000 different java things i'm supposed to get
13 03:45:00 Morasique they should have "download the jdk" in big text on the homepage
13 12:42:00 auchter tommost: are you done with the plan9 computer yet?
13 13:04:00 tommost Not yet. I still need to pull my stuff off.
13 13:05:00 auchter alright, let me know when you're done
13 15:25:00 Morasique Right now I am on my laptop, VNCed into my desktop, which has an XP VM open, which is VPNed to my work network so I can RDP to my work computer, which is RDPed to another computer at work, which is.....wait for it.....SSHed to my laptop
13 15:25:00 Morasique networking is fun
13 15:43:00 auchter Morasique: how's the latency?
13 15:52:00 Morasique auchter: fine until the second rdp, then it starts to suck
13 19:00:00 andy753421 auchter: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/uriel/mirror/bc.tgz
13 19:00:00 andy753421 that's got some code for broadcom 57xx ethernet drivers
13 19:01:00 andy753421 it's development quality (and only for 5704) but it'll be a good start
13 20:09:00 tommost Are internal SATA drives any less hot-swappable than external ones?
13 20:30:00 auchter andy753421: tg3.c handles the 5704 and 5751, and it looks like (from a quick look at the source) there are a lot more special cases for the 5704...
13 20:35:00 tommost auchter: I'm shutting down the Plan 9 box now.
13 20:37:00 auchter the one that you have?
13 20:38:00 tommost YEs.
13 20:39:00 auchter alright, no hurry tonight as i'm not going to do anything with it now
13 20:40:00 tommost Okay.
13 20:41:00 tommost After robotics tomorrow you can drop by and pick it up.
13 20:41:00 auchter ok, i'll do that
13 22:25:00 tommost /dev/disk/by-label is awesome.
13 22:29:00 andy753421 by-label? is that some voodoo in 2.6.26?
13 22:30:00 tommost I think that it has been around for longer than that.
13 22:30:00 tommost It's like /dev/disk/by-uuid, but meaningful.
13 22:31:00 andy753421 yea, i have /dev/disk/by-{id,path,uuid} but not label
13 22:31:00 tommost Hmm.
13 22:31:00 andy753421 actually, that's probably done by udev and not the kernel
13 22:32:00 tommost I have 2.6.22-14
13 22:34:00 Morasique i have by-label; i think it won't show up if you don't label your partitions, which you probably don't
13 22:34:00 Morasique the only one i have that's labeled is DellUtility, which i should get rid of
13 22:34:00 andy753421 probably not, i think it might depend on device mapper as well
13 22:35:00 tommost I have both an ext3 and two NTFS drives there.
13 22:35:00 andy753421 $ grep -R 'by-label' /etc/udev
13 22:36:00 Morasique it shows up in device mapper and persistent storage
13 22:36:00 Morasique i should learn udev rules
13 22:36:00 tommost tomwm@jame:/dev/disk/by-label$ grep -R 'by-label' /etc/udev
13 22:36:00 tommost /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules:# persistent storage links: /dev/{disk,tape}/{by-id,by-uuid,by-label,by-path,by-name}
13 22:36:00 tommost /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules:# by-label/by-uuid (filesystem properties)
13 22:36:00 tommost /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules:ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other", ENV{ID_FS_LABEL_ENC}=="?*", SYMLINK+="disk/by-label/$env{ID_FS_LABEL_ENC}"
13 22:36:00 tommost /etc/udev/rules.d/65-dmsetup.rules:# by-uuid and by-label symlinks
13 22:36:00 tommost /etc/udev/rules.d/65-dmsetup.rules: SYMLINK+="disk/by-label/$env{ID_FS_LABEL_ENC}"
13 22:36:00 tommost Er, once again, Linux copy and paste fails.
13 22:36:00 octavious tommost--
13 22:36:00 Morasique tommost: pastebin is your friend
13 22:36:00 tommost I totally had a URL highlighted for that.
13 22:37:00 Morasique sure :)
13 22:37:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/77947/
13 22:37:00 andy753421 hm.. that was a rhetorical bash command but oh well..
13 22:40:00 andy753421 these disk labels look confusing
13 22:40:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/77950/
13 22:40:00 tommost What's confusing?
13 22:41:00 andy753421 where are the labels stored?
13 22:41:00 andy753421 and how do you add/edit them?
13 22:41:00 Morasique they're just partition names i thought
13 22:41:00 tommost I've been wondering about the second one.
13 22:42:00 tommost "Tom's Maxtor" is annoying because it contains spaces.
13 22:42:00 andy753421 Morasique: um, so where are the partition names stored?
13 22:43:00 Morasique no idea, some special place on the drive. ask a cpe
13 22:43:00 Morasique tommost: i think fdisk can change the names
13 22:43:00 andy753421 i'd think that's more a cs question than a cpe question
13 22:43:00 tommost Non-destructively?
13 22:43:00 Morasique i don't worry about where stuff is physically stored, i like to think the cpes know that sort of thing, but i suspect they don't either
13 22:44:00 Morasique at some point we probably learned it in os
13 22:44:00 andy753421 that's an operating systems topic, wich is CS not cpe
13 22:44:00 andy753421 ha, you think we actually learned anything in OS?
13 22:44:00 tommost Don't they have to take OS too?
13 22:44:00 Morasique oh, it's e2label btw
13 22:45:00 Morasique or reiserfstune
13 22:45:00 Morasique and according to this random website the partition name is stored at the end of the mbr
13 22:46:00 andy753421 hm.. i think it's time to read the udev source code :/
13 22:46:00 tommost Morasique: I'm guessing that won't work for NTFS, though.
13 22:47:00 tommost I'd probably need a Windows machine or something.
13 22:47:00 Morasique ah. probably not so much
13 22:47:00 andy753421 fdisk can do `bsd disklabels' with `b' as well as `Sun disklables' with `s'
13 22:47:00 Morasique there's a whole set of ntfs utilities for linux
13 22:47:00 Morasique i imagine one of them can do it
13 22:47:00 tommost Oh well. I can just make the mountpoint something else; it isn't much of an issue.
13 22:49:00 andy753421 someone try with labels try `/lib/udev/ata_id /dev/<disk>'
13 22:50:00 tommost Nothing.
13 22:50:00 Morasique same
13 22:50:00 Morasique oh, running as root worked
13 22:50:00 Morasique it fails silently apparently
13 22:51:00 andy753421 oh, vol_id /dev/sda1 seem to be it
13 22:51:00 tommost Yeah, now I get stuff.
13 22:51:00 Morasique vol_id is lots of stuff, it includes the label though
13 22:52:00 andy753421 udev/extras/volume_id has all the info about it
13 22:54:00 andy753421 wow, it takes 5559 lines of C code to implement by-label, that's a complete fail
13 22:55:00 tommost What does it all do?
13 22:55:00 andy753421 apparently they have separate code for each filesystem
13 22:56:00 tommost Then it can't be stored in the MBR, can it?
13 22:57:00 andy753421 apparently not? or maybe it can be, but they want to use the non mbr version for some reason
13 23:06:00 andy753421 this is why plan 9 is better: "The [partition] table is a sequence of lines of the format part name start end, where start and end name the starting and ending sector."
13 23:48:00 auchter also, being able to partition a disk with cat(1) is fun
13 23:52:00 tommost Is there any reason that a computer should take a ridiculous (>10 min. so far) amount of time to boot from a flash drive?
13 23:53:00 tommost Oooo... it just got past grub.
13 23:53:00 andy753421 tommost: no
13 23:54:00 tommost Well, I'm quite mystified. The last time I booted it I assumed that it had frozen up and just left it for a while and came back to find that it had booted.
13 23:58:00 andy753421 is everything going slow? or just some things? also what is the transfer speed of that port/drive normally?
14 00:00:00 tommost It's the same drive that you have. Once it has booted I don't notice any unusual slowness.
14 00:01:00 auchter tommost: i wasn't able to boot windows xp from that drive, though i'm not sure whos fault that was
14 00:01:00 tommost Well, this is Mythbuntu 8.04.1
14 00:18:00 carberry I ended up installing debian on my laptop.
14 00:18:00 auchter aw, why not gentoo?
14 00:19:00 carberry More comfortable with debian, and I kind of wanted a working installation.
14 00:19:00 carberry I don't know shit about gentoo.
14 00:19:00 carberry I might bring another computer back with me after thanksgiving break.
14 00:19:00 auchter that's a fair enough reason i suppose
14 00:19:00 carberry I figured debian was a fair compromise between ubuntu and gentoo.
14 00:19:00 auchter well, it's a hell of a lot better than gentoo
14 00:20:00 auchter s/gentoo/ubuntu/
14 00:20:00 tommost Wait, what?
14 00:20:00 auchter i really need to stop that.
14 00:20:00 carberry Only problem is, debian doesn't have a package in the repository for the new nvidia-glx drivers.
14 00:20:00 carberry They're versions behind.
14 00:21:00 carberry So I'll have to jump through hoops to get it workings.
14 00:21:00 auchter i don't like using package management for drivers anyway
14 00:21:00 carberry I'm using the vesa drivers now.
14 00:21:00 auchter jump through hoops? just download the driver installer from nvidia and run it
14 00:21:00 auchter it's dead simple
14 00:21:00 carberry it's throwing up errors
14 00:22:00 auchter do you have the sources for the kernel you're running?
14 00:28:00 carberry not sure
14 00:28:00 carberry i was trying it at like 3 in the morning
14 00:29:00 carberry The time at which I make all stupid mistakes.
14 00:29:00 auchter ok, that'd be a good thing to check for. it will likely complain if it doesn't at least have the headers
14 00:30:00 carberry Cool. Also, is there an ntp server locally?
14 00:30:00 auchter dna.rose-hulman.edu
14 00:30:00 tommost {ticker,tocker}.rose-hulman.edu
14 00:30:00 tommost auchter is wrong.
14 00:30:00 tommost But apparently those are terrible, so you shouldn't use them, anyway.
14 00:30:00 carberry ok.
14 00:31:00 auchter dna always used to serve ntp...
14 00:31:00 tommost Really?
14 00:31:00 auchter and it still does
14 00:31:00 tommost How random.
14 00:31:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/KhV7X357.html
14 00:33:00 carberry When i installed the old nvidia-glx package it installed a different kernel
14 00:33:00 carberry that was i468
14 00:33:00 tommost Er, huh?
14 00:33:00 carberry like, through synaptic
14 00:33:00 carberry there was a nvidia-glx package
14 00:34:00 tommost Yeah. That's just odd. Switch to Ubuntu. ;)
14 00:34:00 auchter carberry: $ uname -a, then see if you have a matching version in /usr/src
14 00:34:00 carberry that would result in an unusable black screen when I booted up.
14 00:34:00 auchter and make sure the symlink /usr/src/linux points to that
14 00:37:00 auchter carberry: also, did i miss anything in german friday?
14 00:38:00 andy753421 ticker and tocker are aliases to dna and rna..
14 00:39:00 auchter tommost: hah, i win
14 00:39:00 carberry You missed the teacher asking me if i was good looking in german.
14 00:40:00 carberry We reviewed the alphabet and numbers mostly.
14 00:40:00 auchter haha, alright
14 00:40:00 carberry she was asking about hair color and stuff
14 00:43:00 carberry I got my little mini-itx box outputing to the tv in my room.
14 00:43:00 carberry So I'm watching movies other people are sharing via samba on it.
14 00:43:00 auchter ah, unsecured samba shares are fun
14 00:43:00 carberry Eh, it wasn't unsecured. I know the guy.
14 00:44:00 tommost auchter: You already had.
14 00:44:00 Morasique tommost: but now he wins more
14 00:44:00 tommost auchter++
14 00:44:00 carberry But it wasn't working properly. For some reason using the username and password under windows allows you to browse the entirity of the public share
14 00:45:00 carberry However, when I used smbmount with the same credentials i was able to enter the public directory, but wasn't able to enter any subdirectories.
14 00:46:00 carberry And ls -l showed his symbolic links. to /storage
14 00:46:00 carberry Blah.
14 00:47:00 auchter samba's weird, if he's on a linux machine just use nfs instead
14 00:47:00 carberry Yea, that's what I told him. He's not biting.
14 00:47:00 carberry He gave me an account on the machine.
14 00:47:00 andy753421 sshfs?
14 00:47:00 carberry Going to try sshfs
14 00:47:00 auchter it takes all of two seconds to set up nfs
14 00:49:00 carberry He thought this was easier.
14 00:49:00 carberry I don't know.
14 00:58:00 tommost SSHFS is far easier to set up than anything. I wish that my roommates could use SSHFS from their Windows machines.
14 00:58:00 tommost I'm going to have to set up samba. :(
14 01:00:00 Morasique this has come up before; i maintain that samba is trivial to set up
14 01:00:00 auchter Morasique: it takes one line to set up an nfs share.
14 01:01:00 Morasique good point. it really isn't that hard though, people talk about it like it's a several-day affair
14 01:02:00 tommost I'd have to read a man page.
14 01:02:00 auchter oh, no, it's not difficult, but it's annoying
14 01:02:00 tommost For SSHFS I have to add users.
14 01:03:00 Morasique you probably do for samba too unless you're letting people connect with your permissions
14 01:03:00 tommost Precisely. SSHFS: add users. samba: add users + configure samba
14 01:04:00 Morasique well yes, but sshfs: windows users get confused and hurt themselves. samba: windows users click friendly icons
14 01:08:00 tommost Solution: AFS.
14 01:08:00 Morasique tommost--
14 01:09:00 tommost :'(
14 01:09:00 tommost Today is not a good day.
14 01:12:00 Morasique you can't have abstract static methods in java
14 01:12:00 Morasique that makes no sense
14 02:00:00 andy753421 anyone know how to make `su' give you a login shell but not change directories to /root?
14 02:02:00 auchter andy753421: sudo bash -l?
14 02:02:00 auchter nevermind
14 02:06:00 Morasique er. mine doesn't do that unless i'm misunderstanding
14 02:06:00 andy753421 Morasique: are you using 'su' or 'su -' or 'su -l'?
14 02:07:00 andy753421 plain 'su' won't chdir you, but that doesn't read root's profile and such
14 02:07:00 Morasique oh, just su. su - does switch me
14 02:07:00 Morasique it doesn't matter for me since i have root's profile symlinked to mine :)
14 02:08:00 andy753421 I assume you also have su/sudo set to not ask for a password then?
14 02:08:00 Morasique er. no, why?
14 02:08:00 andy753421 oh, just wondering..
14 02:09:00 Morasique i just stay logged in as root all the time. much more efficient
14 02:11:00 Morasique i originally had my desktop and laptop set up so i could ssh to root on either from my user account on either, until it occurred to me that somebody could ssh to root on one and immediately ssh back to root on the other without entering any passwords. not that anyboy would know to do that
14 02:11:00 andy753421 (echo '[ $UID = 0 ] && rm -rf /' >> ~/.profile)
14 02:11:00 Morasique oh, i didn't even know about $UID
14 02:11:00 Morasique i use whoami
14 02:44:00 andy753421 sed -i 's!/usr/local/!/usr///////!g' /usr/bin/qemu* :)
14 02:46:00 auchter eh?
14 02:48:00 andy753421 qemu only supports gcc-3.x so I made an ebuild that uses the binary package
14 02:48:00 andy753421 but the binary ones installs to /usr/local/bin/ which is annoying
14 02:49:00 andy753421 and when you change it to install to /usr/bin all the file paths get messed up, and since the binaries use offsets you have to keep the file paths the same length (or pad the end with null characters, which is harder to do in sed)
14 02:50:00 auchter ah, that makes more sense
14 03:06:00 andy753421 arg, apparently modifying /dev/sda4 doesn't actually effect /dev/sda until you reboot
14 03:07:00 carberry Anyone knows why installing fuse-utils didn't make a /etc/fuse.conf file?
14 03:11:00 carberry or why
14 03:11:00 carberry fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory
14 03:11:00 carberry shows up
14 03:16:00 tommost You don't have the fuse module loaded?
14 03:16:00 carberry uninstalled and reinstalled
14 03:16:00 tommost Did you modprobe it?
14 03:16:00 carberry one line caught my eye
14 03:16:00 carberry udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
14 03:17:00 carberry ok
14 03:17:00 carberry that worked
14 03:17:00 tommost Add it to /etc/modules to make it automatic.
14 03:17:00 carberry I need to learn a lot more about linux. I mean, I think I basically know what modules are, but why wouldn't it automatically do that in the installation.
14 03:17:00 carberry How was I supposed to know to do that.
14 03:19:00 tommost Well, I'm guessing that that would be distro-specific. I've never known Debian/Ubuntu to add modules to /etc/modules. Or to modprobe them.
14 03:19:00 carberry Ok.
14 03:19:00 carberry I'm just wondering why it wouldn't.
14 03:21:00 tommost Well, for fuse I can't think of a reason. But for other modules you may not want to, though I can't think of a specific example.
14 03:26:00 carberry Ok.
14 03:26:00 carberry What are you up to?
14 03:28:00 Morasique i've never heard of an installer on any distro automatically modprobing a module; if you're using a module it assumes you don't want it automatically installed, or you'd just build it into the kernel
14 03:29:00 Morasique carberry: i've been meaning to mention, if you do ever want to try gentoo we could probably get it installed in the course of a lug meeting if you just come to one of those
14 03:31:00 carberry Ok. I'd be willing to dive into the rabbit hole.
14 03:32:00 tommost Sorry, I just thought it was relevant.
14 03:33:00 carberry Heh.
14 03:34:00 carberry I think Alice in Wonderland is an approprate metaphor for linux.
14 03:34:00 tommost Indeed.
14 03:36:00 carberry Well, I'm off.
14 03:37:00 tommost Good night.
14 13:41:00 Morasique eclipse just warned me that i was erasing a file with unsaved changes, and asked me if i wanted to save before deleting it
14 13:42:00 tommost Wow.
14 14:33:00 auchter my lights are flickering, which frightens me
14 14:34:00 auchter tommost: i'm going to be leaving for campus in a few minutes, should i stop by to pick up the plan 9 box?
14 14:35:00 tommost Sure.
14 14:35:00 tommost Percopo 205.
14 14:35:00 tommost (The end by White Chapel.)
14 16:37:00 Morasique Blazeix found this; now we know javascript is useful: http://safalra.com/web-design/javascript/mac-style-dock/demonstration.html
14 18:07:00 andy753421 we should talk to Mike McLeash about getting some lab space for the LUG
14 18:08:00 auchter andy753421: for what purpose?
14 18:09:00 auchter also, i heard talk of some of the lab being turned into a "usability lab" which sounded incredibly worthless to me
14 18:09:00 andy753421 mostly to put servers
14 18:09:00 andy753421 yea.. i think that's to make the SE's happy because they don't do any real code :P
14 18:09:00 tommost andy753421--
14 18:09:00 auchter andy753421++
14 18:10:00 tommost I saw that coming.
14 18:10:00 tommost shadghost-- shadghost--
14 18:10:00 auchter back to rational discussion...
14 18:10:00 auchter i think he would probably be more open to the idea if the computers were contained in a rack
14 18:10:00 andy753421 yea, speaking of which, that have that nice rack down there at the moment
14 18:11:00 auchter a pile like we have going in the robotics lab probably wouldn't go over too well
14 18:11:00 auchter down where?
14 18:11:00 tommost In the corner of the room.
14 18:11:00 auchter in use? or is it for senior projects?
14 18:11:00 tommost Are those senior project servers on there?
14 18:11:00 andy753421 i'm in senior project and I haven't heard anything about senior project servers
14 18:12:00 andy753421 so I assume they're broken or something
14 18:12:00 andy753421 and I heard they're migrating to all VM's so maybe they're just not going to use them anymore
14 18:13:00 Morasique those have held senior project stuff in the past; i imagine they don't at the moment since none of us have requested servers yet
14 18:14:00 Morasique they have migrated to vms, but i think those are the machines that host them
14 18:14:00 Morasique at least one of them is, i've used it before
14 18:15:00 andy753421 alright, someone remind me and I'll ask Darryl about it tomorrow
14 18:16:00 tommost Why do they keep them in the lab? If you don't have access to a physical machine wouldn't it be easier to keep them all in the server room?
14 18:18:00 andy753421 keep it all in the same place mabye?
14 18:27:00 Morasique tommost: they have the kvm rigged somehow to connect to the vms
14 18:27:00 tommost Ooo... voodoo.
14 18:28:00 andy753421 for senior projects?
14 18:29:00 Morasique some of them; i used one for 372
14 18:29:00 andy753421 i thought that in previous years all the senior projects got real hardware?
14 18:30:00 andy753421 also, kvm should not be the name of both a kernel module and a piece of hardware
14 18:30:00 Morasique you might be able to ask; i know we were on a vm
14 18:30:00 andy753421 yea, us too, but I thought that was because we were 372 not 497
14 18:31:00 Morasique possibly, i'm not sure
14 20:02:00 Morasique andy753421: do we not have any reading or homework for logic? i can't find any, i'm suspicious
14 20:03:00 andy753421 did we turn in homework on friday?
14 20:03:00 andy753421 I never saw a dropbox for it
14 20:03:00 Morasique there wasn't, but we had some assigned; i just e-mailed it to him
14 20:03:00 andy753421 ok
14 20:04:00 andy753421 Morasique: have you tried that silly software stuff on wine?
14 20:33:00 Morasique andy753421: yeah, it seems to work fine except i'm missing a font or something so some of the logic symbols show up as squares
14 20:33:00 Morasique i haven't bothered to look into it, but i assume installing a missing font will fix it
14 20:54:00 shadghost tommost--
14 20:54:00 shadghost tommost--
14 20:59:00 Morasique tommost++ tommost++
14 20:59:00 Morasique .... shadghost--
14 21:00:00 Morasique finally
14 21:00:00 Morasique auchter++
14 21:00:00 tommost I wish that I were still a mod in #rhrt.
14 21:00:00 Morasique :)
14 21:00:00 Morasique he's not in there too, is he?
14 21:00:00 tommost You bet he is.
14 21:01:00 Morasique wow, he really is like a plague
14 21:01:00 auchter he had his chance to contribute meaningfully
14 21:02:00 Morasique i doubt anybody does this, but does anybody have an xbox 360 they stream to on linux?
14 21:02:00 Morasique i found a couple programs that supposedly do it, i'm just curious if anybody has experience
14 21:02:00 tommost Use ushare.
14 21:03:00 auchter Morasique: boland may have done it last year
14 21:03:00 andy753421 wait, why does everyone hate shadghost? I must have missed that conversation
14 21:03:00 tommost I don't hate him.
14 21:03:00 tommost I just don't think that he should be in #rhrt.
14 21:04:00 tommost I'm afraid that he'll start the karma plague there as well.
14 21:04:00 andy753421 so why did he get banned here?
14 21:05:00 Morasique tommost: way to hate on the karma
14 21:05:00 auchter eh, i suppose he could be unbanned
14 21:05:00 auchter my rationale was that he doesn't go to rose, he has no intention of going to rose
14 21:05:00 Morasique gasps
14 21:05:00 Morasique i would say he's incapable of going to rose, but then there's rr72
14 21:06:00 tommost The LUG should send rr72 a fruit basket.
14 21:06:00 Morasique yes, with our money
14 21:07:00 tommost No, with the ARA's fruit.
14 21:08:00 tommost Dang it, I shouldn't have given away my basket.
14 21:08:00 auchter tommost: and here i thought you were trying to be nice
14 21:08:00 auchter now i see you just want to poison him
14 21:10:00 tommost We could take a cardboard box and use markers on it to make it look like a basket.
14 22:19:00 auchter command-line maple really needs the equivalent of vim's showmatch
14 22:20:00 andy753421 solution: edit maple in vim
14 22:20:00 auchter that's a bit too cumbersome
14 22:20:00 andy753421 lies!
14 22:22:00 auchter i remember you posting some vim-maple madness before, but i don't seem to have it anymore
14 22:29:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Maple#Editing_maple_in_Vim
14 22:29:00 andy753421 there, no you have no excuse
14 22:29:00 andy753421 *now
14 22:38:00 auchter oddly enough running maple_vim starts a new login shell for me.
14 22:39:00 auchter s/maple_vim/& from within vim/
14 22:39:00 andy753421 try chainging /bin/env bash to /bin/sh
14 22:40:00 auchter i tried it with /bin/bash, and now with /bin/sh, and i get the same result
14 22:41:00 auchter it works fine when i'm not in vim
14 22:41:00 andy753421 from vim run :set sh
14 22:41:00 auchter yep, that was it. it was running it with tcsh, and my .cshrc runs bash...
14 23:21:00 kleinjt I'm making oatmeal in my rice cooker and it has been 25 minutes and it remains on, and has yet to give the 10 minute until done warning. I'm scared.
14 23:22:00 andy753421 kleinjt: Mmm, rice mush!
14 23:22:00 auchter i'm not up on oatmeal, how long does it usually take?
14 23:22:00 andy753421 er, oatmeal much!
14 23:22:00 andy753421 er, oatmeal mush!
14 23:22:00 kleinjt auchter: less than ten minutes for stovetop
14 23:23:00 kleinjt auchter: less than a minute for microwave
14 23:23:00 auchter so far the worst thing i've made in my rice cooker is rice porridge.
14 23:23:00 auchter i advise you against ever making it
14 23:23:00 kleinjt I'll try that next
14 23:23:00 auchter sounds good
14 23:24:00 andy753421 auchter: you mean rice pudding?
14 23:24:00 auchter andy753421: no, this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congee
14 23:25:00 tommost Yeah, I've had rice pudding before. It's good. So is sticky rice.
14 23:25:00 auchter i think i like rice pudding, though it's been a while since i've last had it
14 23:25:00 auchter tommost: do you mean glutinous rice?
14 23:25:00 auchter or just white rice that's sticky?
14 23:25:00 tommost Sweet, sticky rice.
14 23:25:00 kleinjt I still have bread pudding left over from when I last made it in my rice cooker..
14 23:26:00 tommost Mmm.
14 23:26:00 tommost I'm tempted to live off campus just so I can eat real food. Except I'd starve, because I'd have no way to get to the grocery store in the winter.
14 23:27:00 kleinjt I think it would have tasted better if I didn't use my roommate's walmart artifical vanilla flavoring immitation, I think that was the limiting factor on awesomeness.
14 23:27:00 auchter is rhubarb out of season?
14 23:27:00 tommost shudders at artificial vanilla
14 23:28:00 andy753421 tommost: skinner
14 23:29:00 tommost Yeah.
14 23:29:00 tommost Or the apartments.
14 23:29:00 kleinjt auchter: Is it ever out of season in the summer?
14 23:29:00 andy753421 apartments still require you to have a meal plan
14 23:29:00 tommost But getting into skinner next year would be a sure thing next year, wouldn't it?
14 23:29:00 auchter is it summer?
14 23:29:00 tommost Really?
14 23:29:00 kleinjt my experience with seasons are summer and winter
14 23:29:00 tommost Well, I'd still probably want a very small meal plan.
14 23:29:00 kleinjt it isn't snowing, so it is summer
14 23:30:00 andy753421 tommost: yes, skinner is the only one that doesn't require a meal plan, or you can get a commuter meal plan
14 23:30:00 tommost Why does Rose let Aramark screw us all the time?
14 23:30:00 kleinjt auchter: 8 months of the year, it'd be winter...
14 23:30:00 andy753421 There's going to be a lot of seniors in skinner next year I believe (because of the tri-delts)
14 23:31:00 tommost Oh, I thought that everyone there was already there last year, so they would be graduating this year.
14 23:32:00 andy753421 yea, a bunch of sophomores were there last year
14 23:34:00 auchter the only thing i miss about being on campus (well, particularly BSB) is the ability to wake up 5 minutes before class and still get there on time
14 23:34:00 tommost Yes.
14 23:34:00 auchter the few times i've tried that from off campus have not turned out so well
14 23:34:00 tommost Unfortunately, Percopo sucks in that respect.
14 23:34:00 andy753421 ahh deming :)
14 23:35:00 tommost Deming sucks for other reasons.
14 23:36:00 kleinjt I'll use karma as a tool to promote people I agree with, so, tommost++
14 23:36:00 minifig904 wait... is there a karma bot here?
14 23:36:00 tommost minifig904: Nope.
14 23:36:00 minifig904 Huh,
14 23:37:00 tommost I haven't written it yet.
14 23:37:00 kleinjt law of conservation of karma: shadghost--
14 23:37:00 minifig904 supybot
14 23:37:00 auchter well, there's still karma though, but it's in the awful and bloated logview
14 23:37:00 tommost Yup.
14 23:37:00 tommost Does anyone have ideas for making it more bloated?
14 23:37:00 minifig904 (11:36:39 PM) minifig904: bot1st: help karma
14 23:37:00 minifig904 (11:36:39 PM) bot1st: minifig904: (karma [<channel>] [<thing> ...]) -- Returns the karma of <text>. If <thing> is not given, returns the top three and bottom three karmas. If one <thing> is given, returns the details of its karma; if more than one <thing> is given, returns the total karma of each of the the things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
14 23:37:00 minifig904 That's from #firstrobotics
14 23:38:00 tommost I was thinking that dynamically-generated graphs would be a good thing.
14 23:38:00 auchter karma has destroyed this channel... there's a goodr reason why slashdot got rid of it
14 23:38:00 minifig904 For a website, yes.
14 23:38:00 minifig904 that was @tommost
14 23:38:00 kleinjt tommost: how about a color scheme for improperly adjusted CRTs? I had a hard time reading it at work.
14 23:38:00 andy753421 tommost: add reverse karma and calculate how the +- karma you've gave to other people
14 23:38:00 tommost minifig904: You're a genius. The bot can provide ASCII art graphs to the room!
14 23:39:00 auchter tommost--
14 23:39:00 minifig904 tommost: FLOOOD!
14 23:39:00 kleinjt minifig904--
14 23:39:00 minifig904 Huh?
14 23:39:00 auchter kleinjt++
14 23:39:00 kleinjt we don't want to give tom ideas :/
14 23:39:00 minifig904 For showing part of what a supybot could do?
14 23:39:00 tommost kleinjt: I could add a way to disable the coloring.
14 23:40:00 auchter i rest my case on why karma's bad.
14 23:40:00 tommost I think that karma's bad, too.
14 23:40:00 minifig904 auchter: I wasn't around for that.
14 23:40:00 minifig904 All I know is that it works decently in #firstrobotics, but that's mostly HS students....
14 23:41:00 minifig904 Anyway, I should go....
14 23:41:00 tommost Good night.
14 23:41:00 minifig904 Not what I was thinking, but just might be true.
14 23:41:00 kleinjt My oatmeal is still cooking :/
14 23:42:00 auchter kleinjt: you should open up the rice cooker and grind some coffee in it
14 23:42:00 tommost kleinjt: What type is it? Instant, quick, or real?
14 23:42:00 tommost auchter: That sounds disgusting?
14 23:42:00 tommost s/?/.
14 23:42:00 kleinjt tommost: rolled oats, kroger didn't have steel cut
14 23:43:00 tommost Sad.
14 23:43:00 tommost Now I feel hungry.
14 23:43:00 kleinjt auchter: I already have cinnamon and brown sugar
14 23:43:00 tommost Not having Internet access in the kitchen sucks royally.
14 23:43:00 auchter tommost: you don't like coffee at all, so your opinion is really irrelevant
14 23:43:00 kleinjt tommost: well, they aren't instant or quick, the are ~normal
14 23:43:00 kleinjt Anyone have any recipies for tea in rice cookers?
14 23:43:00 auchter i'm very distrustful of those who don't like coffee
14 23:44:00 auchter it just seems wrong to me
14 23:44:00 auchter kleinjt: i had some damn good tea tonight
14 23:44:00 tommost I'm glad to know that you don't trust me. Unfortunately, I don't trust people who like coffee, so I think you may be lying about that.
14 23:44:00 auchter a huang jin gui, prepared gong fu cha style
14 23:45:00 auchter tommost: well played
14 23:47:00 kleinjt I took the oatmeal out of the rice cooker, and the half that isn't baked onto the bottom of my shiny new nonstick pot tastes good.
14 23:48:00 auchter so i think i'm going to start hacking my espresso machine
14 23:48:00 tommost That didn't take long.
14 23:48:00 auchter i'd really like an LCD on it for telling me the temperature of the grouphead
14 23:49:00 kleinjt auchter: That shouldn't be too difficult to do with an AVR
14 23:49:00 auchter and, even better would be to use an SSR to switch on and off the heater, so i can control the temperature
14 23:49:00 auchter kleinjt: indeed, i just have to actually get around to doing it
14 23:49:00 auchter plus, i really like the way my machine looks right now, so i'd have to find some slick way of doing it
14 23:52:00 auchter even better would be to put it on my network, so i could get a notification when it's up to temperature, turn it on remotely, etc.
14 23:53:00 tommost That would be awesome, but for a rice cooker.
14 23:54:00 auchter tommost: i was considering that, but my rice cooker actually does pretty much everything i need
14 23:54:00 auchter i can set a timer for when i want the rice completed by, and it beeps loudly.
14 23:54:00 andy753421 wow, congratulations to angel, they just killed the only halfway decent feature (discussion forums)
14 23:55:00 auchter apparently someone from angel is coming in to speak to the 37[12] classes soon
14 23:55:00 tommost Well, the next step would be to automate putting ingredients in the rice cooker.
14 23:56:00 andy753421 oh wow, i might actually want to sit in on that
14 23:56:00 auchter we should invite him to the lug meeting...
14 23:56:00 tommost OOO.... fruit basket.
15 00:05:00 Morasique we've always had some sort of karma, for a while we did voice/devoice for it; now we just keep track of it
15 00:05:00 Morasique and it works ok except for shadghost
15 00:05:00 Morasique everyone is mean to shadghost
15 00:07:00 tommost Yeah, I've been meaning to track voice/devoice as karma points.
15 00:07:00 tommost shadghost--
15 00:07:00 tommost Er, not what I meant.
15 00:09:00 Morasique well, it doesn't work so well anymore since not everyone is op
15 00:13:00 tommost Yeah. But I'd like to point out that shadghost is not an op, either.
15 00:13:00 Morasique i remember when he was. he kicked me :'(
15 00:13:00 tommost I now depart to make eggs.
15 00:14:00 tommost Because I have no bread.
15 00:26:00 auchter irc as root = fun
15 00:31:00 Morasique povilusr_desktop does that too, although he's on windows so it's understandable
15 00:56:00 octavious wow. "algarithymes"
15 00:56:00 octavious someone sucks at spelling
15 02:34:00 carberry What's the most recent way to open docx files in linux.
15 02:34:00 carberry *most current
15 02:34:00 Morasique openoffice probably
15 02:34:00 Morasique antiword works on doc but not docx
15 02:34:00 carberry Doesn't seem to be working. Might be debian being idealist.
15 02:34:00 carberry *idealistic.
15 02:34:00 Morasique it's semi-new, your oo version might be too old
15 02:35:00 Morasique actually, i think it wasn't built in till oo3, which is still in development i think
15 02:35:00 Morasique you can get a thing that makes it work with oo2 though
15 02:35:00 Morasique http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/wiki/Office_Open_XML
15 02:36:00 carberry ah
15 02:37:00 carberry Too much work for 2:30.
15 02:37:00 Morasique :)
15 02:37:00 carberry Screw that format up the ass.
15 02:38:00 carberry I forget what state it was, but I remember some legislator essentially said "I have no idea what this means, what do you want me to do."
15 02:39:00 carberry I like that guy.
15 02:39:00 carberry He knows the limitations of his knowledge.
15 02:39:00 Morasique fortunately, more intelligent professors tend to stick with pdf
15 02:40:00 carberry Yea. Unfortunatly Minster provided a docx. However, it is very pretty.
15 02:40:00 carberry I'm logging back into windows, brb.
15 02:43:00 octavious hmm. i just use one of the public remote desktop machines for docx...
15 02:43:00 andy753421 for the record: http://docx2txt.sourceforge.net/
15 02:44:00 andy753421 it sucks at formatting though
15 02:54:00 Morasique somebody should offer an e-mail service that just takes a docx attachment, throws it at openoffice to print as a pdf and replies with the pdf
15 03:09:00 andy753421 reading though abiwords `./configure --help'.. `--enable-vi-keybindings' :)
15 11:28:00 Morasique wtf: http://pupnp.sourceforge.net/
15 11:28:00 Morasique try clicking. anywhere
15 11:33:00 minifig904 ...except the margin. lol
15 12:06:00 povilus how do i get every thing at http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse351/examplePrograms/ ending in .c
15 12:07:00 povilus with wget
15 12:12:00 Morasique povilus: i would probably just mount afs and copy it that way
15 12:13:00 auchter Morasique: you beat me to it
15 12:13:00 auchter povilus: if you really want to use wget for some reason, look at the man page at the -r and -d switches
15 12:13:00 auchter (i think)
15 12:13:00 Morasique oh, there's only 9 files. wow you're lazy :)
15 12:15:00 Morasique wget http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse351/examplePrograms/{brownian,colormap,gasket2_partial,marching_squares,maxwell,menu,picksquare,rotate,testline}.c
15 12:15:00 Morasique there
15 12:16:00 auchter Morasique: if we're going for absurdity, might i suggest this: wget `hget http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse351/examplePrograms/ | htmlfmt | grep '\.c' | cut -d' ' -f1 | sed 's|.*|http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse351/examplePrograms/&|'`
15 12:17:00 Morasique nice
15 12:19:00 Morasique actually, i suppose scp addiator.rose-hulman.edu:'/afs/rh/class/csse/csse351/examplePrograms/*.c' would've been rather easy too
15 12:20:00 auchter Morasique: that was implied by your afs answer
15 12:20:00 auchter i was in the process of typing that when i saw your message
15 12:20:00 Morasique well, i guess, i meant mounting it using sshfs, that's what i do to get stuff off afs
15 12:20:00 Morasique but if you don't already have that set up scp is faster
15 12:32:00 povilus why does scp not ask you your passsword and just silently fail if you dont put in "-v"
15 12:32:00 povilus thats retarded functonality
15 12:50:00 Morasique tommost: ushare works great, thanks
15 12:50:00 Morasique tommost++
15 12:50:00 tommost No problem.
15 13:01:00 Morasique i wonder if they're kidding when they send chemistry safety seminar notices to all campus
15 13:02:00 Morasique no doubt they get huge turnout from people not required to go for a chemistry class they're in
15 13:02:00 tommost I'm pretty sure that I'm not required to go, and I'm in a chemistry class.
15 13:04:00 Morasique that was pure speculation, i don't know why else they would hold the things unless at least some people were required to go
15 13:04:00 Morasique it's even worse if they really just expect people to show up
15 13:06:00 tommost This is interesting: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0359/
15 13:07:00 Morasique "This PEP was withdrawn at Guido's request. Guido didn't like it"
15 13:07:00 tommost Yeah.
15 13:08:00 tommost I haven't yet figured out why not.
15 13:08:00 Morasique well, he also didn't like switch, so maybe it's just that he doesn't like good things
15 13:08:00 Morasique it more annoys me that he has a tyrannical control over python
15 13:09:00 tommost I keep getting mixed messages about adding new syntax to Python. Andy makes fun of the with statement, yet they seem to be extremely reluctant to add new syntax in general.
15 13:10:00 Morasique what's wrong with with? (between the four w's and the double with that was fairly confusing)
15 13:10:00 tommost I like with.
15 13:10:00 Morasique well, why doesn't andy like it i mean
15 13:10:00 Morasique i missed that conversation i think
15 13:10:00 tommost I'm not sure.
15 13:10:00 tommost It happened at robotics.
15 13:10:00 Morasique ah
15 13:11:00 tommost It's probably partially because it doesn't have a direct parallel in Java, so people aren't likely to understand what it does coming in.
15 13:11:00 tommost Except it's pretty much just a shortcut for try: ... finally: ...
15 13:21:00 tommost Oh, apparently Guido came up with make in the first place.
15 14:23:00 auchter andy should set up a caldav or some sort of ical thing on the lug server
15 14:23:00 auchter we need a calendar for free food on campus
15 14:24:00 auchter already there are two free food deals this week, it'd be nice to aggregate them all into once place
15 14:43:00 Morasique for some reason wollowski insists on using transparencies while the projector shows his desktop all period
15 14:53:00 Morasique we just spent 20 minutes stumbling through a minimax search, at the end of which wollowski proclaimed "now you see how this can make our lives easier"
15 15:11:00 auchter woo, plan 9 is installed on the fs server
15 15:45:00 auchter andy753421: do you know what kernel to use on a dedicated fs server?
15 15:45:00 auchter on my cpu/auth/fs server i'm using pccpuf
15 15:45:00 auchter but i'm not sure that's the recommended one
15 17:29:00 auchter ok, vampira.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu is now set up as a cpu/auth/fs server, and dhcp-137-112-99-65.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu (bela) is now set up as a cpu server netbooted from vampira
15 17:29:00 auchter the reason for the screwy name of bela is that (i think) 9load sends the dhcp request and does not/cannot specify the hostname
15 17:49:00 andy_plan9 ough, trying to use drawterm from the mac
15 17:49:00 andy_plan9 and I thought two button mice were bad :'(
15 17:50:00 andy_plan9 anyway, auchter: I think you can request a name with ip/ipconfig and then rose will default to that later if you (9load) don't specify one
15 17:51:00 auchter andy_plan9: i did an `{ip/ipconfig -h bela} prior to rebooting, but it still came up with that crazy dhcp-... one
15 17:51:00 auchter maybe i did something wrong, i'll look into it when i don't have so much work to do
15 17:52:00 andy_plan9 did host/dig show it as bela after the ip/ipconfig -h?
15 17:53:00 auchter yeah, i'm pretty sure it did, though it might not have
15 17:53:00 auchter actually, that might have been prior to registering the mac
15 18:24:00 hollanbm hey guys, i got a quick question, im sharing thunderbird profiles between windows and ubuntu, i shut down windows with tbird running and now in linux i get a message saying tbird is still running, is there an ez way to fix this w/o rebooting into windows?
15 18:34:00 Morasique er. that should be unrelated, try pgrep thunderbird
15 18:41:00 hollanbm i excuted the command in a terminal, what should happen?
15 18:45:00 Morasique it should show any thunderbird processes that are running
15 18:45:00 Morasique if it didn't say anything there aren't any
15 18:45:00 hollanbm hmmm
15 18:45:00 Morasique maybe it does lock your profile somehow, i've never seen that before
15 18:45:00 Morasique thunderbird -ProfileManager might help
15 18:46:00 hollanbm that opens but when i click start i still get the error
15 18:47:00 Morasique try googling the error i guess
15 18:47:00 hollanbm thats what i was going to do
15 18:47:00 hollanbm but i was hpoing someone here had encountered it
15 18:49:00 hollanbm it does do a profile lock...
15 18:49:00 Morasique i've killed thunderbird before without problems; i blame windows
15 18:50:00 hollanbm google helped, i turned off my laptop while inside windows without properly shutting down, so the result ended up being unable to mount my windows drive
15 18:50:00 hollanbm similar to the safely remove bug i think
15 18:51:00 Morasique oh. that would be a problem
15 18:51:00 hollanbm yea
15 18:53:00 hollanbm anyways, have you ever heard of "Tiny_XP"
15 19:00:00 tommost Why is lug.rose-hulman.edu still registered to me?
15 19:03:00 Morasique er. why is it registered to anybody, don't we run our own dns server?
15 19:03:00 Morasique oh, you mean registered with iait
15 19:10:00 tommost Morasique: Here's another nice option: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-October/057419.html
15 20:11:00 andy753421 reads the log
15 20:12:00 andy753421 Morasique: There's no reason for `with' to be a keyword except the fact that it's hard to use anonymous functions in python: see http://rafb.net/p/fXgNAw54.html for some sane ways to implement the same thing
15 20:12:00 andy753421 auchter: webdav (for ical) is a good idea, I have that running on my server at the moment so it should be easy to set up on lug.rose, also i would guess pcf would the the correct kernel
15 20:13:00 Morasique andy753421: you implemented it in ruby, scheme, and a fictional python with good lambdas. none of those are python
15 20:13:00 andy753421 exactly, that's why I don't like python and it's with statement :)
15 20:14:00 andy753421 i.e. they need to fix python instead of making up more keywords :)
15 20:14:00 andy753421 well, at least that would lead to a language that I would personally like more
15 20:15:00 Morasique that would be nice, but guido might object, and that's all that matters
15 20:23:00 andy753421 hm.. somebody was supposed to remind me to do something today..
15 20:23:00 auchter andy753421: i think pcf is for terminals with a fossil
15 20:23:00 auchter andy753421: try to get 9.rose-hulman.edu?
15 20:23:00 andy753421 oh, maybe that was it
15 20:23:00 auchter or no, i forget. but i was definitely the one who was supposed to remind you
15 20:23:00 auchter andy753421: lab space in the lab! that was it.
15 20:23:00 andy753421 well, i reminded you to remind me, so now it's your fault
15 20:23:00 andy753421 ah, ok
15 20:24:00 andy753421 well, remind me again tomorrow
15 20:24:00 andy753421 also, i got a monitor with a vga cable and put in F225 for the sun machine
15 20:24:00 auchter ok, will do
15 20:24:00 andy753421 it's a crap monitor though so it's only good for installing
15 20:24:00 auchter ah, great. did you decide on debian or gentoo
15 20:24:00 auchter andy753421: is it the monitor that was on the free table today?
15 20:25:00 andy753421 no, i stole it from underneath the ECE staircase
15 20:25:00 auchter ah, even better
15 20:25:00 andy753421 was the free stuff table one any good?
15 20:25:00 Mishtal auchter: jboticsource swipped that one
