31 20:01:00 tommost I'm not quite sure how to arrange them.
31 20:02:00 tommost We should have T-shirts with Glenda and Tux.
31 20:02:00 jboticsourc1 for
31 20:02:00 jboticsourc1 RT or LUG?
31 20:02:00 tommost LUG.
31 20:02:00 jboticsourc1 could be cool
31 20:02:00 tommost RT needs T-shirts too, of course.
31 20:02:00 jboticsourc1 what is glenda's origion/significance
31 20:03:00 jboticsourc1 btw i am on RT shirts
31 20:03:00 tommost http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/glenda.html
31 20:03:00 jboticsourc1 oh ic
31 20:06:00 tommost When is the activities fair?
31 20:08:00 jboticsourc1 good question
31 20:08:00 jboticsourc1 it is like first week ish
31 20:13:00 jboticsourc1 so yea
31 20:13:00 jboticsourc1 we need to be there
31 20:13:00 tommost Definitely.
31 20:14:00 auchter yeah, someone let me know when that is... hopefully it's after classes start
31 20:14:00 tommost Yeah.
31 20:14:00 auchter though i don't think it is...
31 20:14:00 jboticsourc1 well
31 20:14:00 jboticsourc1 worst case
31 20:14:00 jboticsourc1 i will be in town
31 20:15:00 jboticsourc1 if no one else is there i can fly it solo if need be
31 20:15:00 auchter it's the third.
31 20:15:00 auchter so i'll probably be in terre haute then
31 20:15:00 jboticsourc1 yea
31 20:15:00 jboticsourc1 hopefully we all will be
31 20:15:00 tommost Yeah, hopefully.
31 20:15:00 auchter yeah, well i was planning on moving in that day
31 20:19:00 tommost So my roommate's HDTV came today and I'm discovering that we get a bunch of channels only in HD‽
31 20:20:00 jboticsourc1 nice
31 20:20:00 tommost Yeah, real channels, too. HDNet, HDNet movies, A&E, PBS in HD, etc.
31 20:20:00 jboticsourc1 i dont get any tv in my apt lol
31 20:21:00 jboticsourc1 but i dont have time to watch it anyway
31 20:22:00 auchter yeah, we're foregoing the cable tv this year as well
31 20:22:00 auchter that way more money can be poured into our internet connection...
31 20:22:00 tommost My roommate is in favor of a cable box. I have to say I'm tempted; BSG in HD...
31 20:23:00 auchter BSG?
31 20:23:00 jboticsourc1 oh man....i love bsg....
31 20:23:00 jboticsourc1 i am an addict [shoots up bsg]
31 20:23:00 tommost Indeed.
31 20:35:00 jboticsourc1 who is your roomie next year tom
31 20:36:00 tommost Brian Hulette. Nick Wahl and Mark Swanson.
31 20:36:00 tommost are my suitemates.
31 20:36:00 tommost The first two are on the robotics team.
31 20:36:00 jboticsourc1 yes
31 20:36:00 jboticsourc1 i reconize them
31 20:37:00 tommost They should have their rubix cube solver ready by the activities fair, too.
31 20:37:00 jboticsourc1 ohhh
31 20:37:00 jboticsourc1 that will be nice
31 20:37:00 tommost auchter: BSG: Battlestar Galactica
31 20:38:00 tommost auchter: Also, how are your electronics plans coming?
31 20:55:00 jboticsourc1 my audio just died
31 20:55:00 jboticsourc1 how do i restart it?
31 20:55:00 tommost I'm not sure. That happened to me once; I just restarted the computer and it came back.
31 20:56:00 jboticsourc1 how do i restart teh module?
31 20:59:00 tommost Maybe sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
31 21:05:00 tommost jboticsourc1: Did that work?
31 21:06:00 jboticsourc1 just a sec
31 21:07:00 jboticsourc1 ok so termanal
31 21:07:00 jboticsourc1 is not working
31 21:07:00 jboticsourc1 so i really need to reboot
31 21:07:00 jboticsourc1 just a sec
31 21:11:00 jboticsourc2 back
31 21:53:00 collinjc tommost: Do you still have my Ubuntu server disc?
31 21:53:00 tommost Um, I may.
31 21:53:00 tommost Do you want me to find it?
31 21:54:00 collinjc It isn't a big issue at the moment, so at your convenience.
31 21:54:00 collinjc I just have a server that I need to nuke before the end of the summer.
31 22:05:00 Mishtal has anyone given a thought to the mountable waste-esq file sharing system thing?
31 22:22:00 kleinjt The front page gets space bunnies but no BSD Daemon?
31 22:26:00 tommost_aorist sighs
31 22:26:00 tommost_aorist Okay, I'm on it.
31 22:32:00 kleinjt Is there any chance we could change the bot checker on the wiki for edits from addition to integration? That would be awesome.
31 22:32:00 auchter the front page of the wiki gets a daemon, but no puffer fish?
31 22:33:00 jboticsourc2 pandora's box was just opened
31 22:33:00 auchter larry the cow should definitely be on the front page, too
31 22:34:00 auchter but really, it should probably just be left at tux and glenda
31 22:37:00 kleinjt How about a daemon holding a triangular flag of a pufferfish?
31 22:37:00 auchter kleinjt: good idea, but i think integration might be too easy. i suggest changing it to the laplacian
31 22:38:00 auchter but does anyone in here use bsd? i mean, i use openbsd, but the daemon hardly represents openbsd
31 22:40:00 kleinjt About every year or so I'll use a BSD for a week or two before running back to Linux.
31 22:41:00 auchter iptables makes me run back to openbsd...
31 23:50:00 kleinjt awesome. student affairs sent me an email asking why I wanted $240 for 4 nights at a hotel for the robotics competition when it only cost $131. I just checked my statement and SGA was right, the hotel only charged me $131 for 4 nights.
31 23:51:00 kleinjt whatever y'all told the hotel about us not wanting the extra room they tried charging us for worked great, good work tom and jay :)
01 00:28:00 Morasique what was this about a mountable file sharing system a few hours ago? i don't remember hearing about this
01 00:34:00 auchter i think the implication was that someone should implement one
01 00:36:00 Mishtal Morasique: it was a discussion we had during a lug meeting for... maybe 10 minutes. the idea is that it would be similar to a massivly decentralized RAID system. each user would have a chunk (say... 5 % of total space, or w/e they are willing to sacrifice) of their drive set aside, either as a partition, or as a page file-esque thing. users who are members of the darknet push the files they want to share onto the system and using some typ
01 00:37:00 auchter the problem of maintaining data integrity when nodes disconnect comes to mind
01 00:38:00 Mishtal thus my automagic algorithm that i havnt thought of yet
01 00:43:00 Morasique oh, that thing. ok
01 00:54:00 kleinjt I nominate auchter to write all the checksum algorithms
01 03:12:00 Morasique tommost is first in the logs again. i think he plans it
01 03:13:00 Morasique i didn't know it was possible to fit this many buries into a single digg article: http://digg.com/comics_animation/xkcd_Cautionary_2
01 05:27:00 andy753421 auchter: so Plan 9 is installed but doesn't quite work yet
01 05:28:00 andy753421 so far what i've done is: booted a recovery disk (http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ it's actually a quite nice disk) and used that to install gentoo
01 05:31:00 andy753421 then installed qemu and installed plan 9 from there onto the hard disk
01 05:31:00 andy753421 the problem now is that it doesn't detect the USB keyboard when it boots so I think I need to edit plan9.ini
01 05:31:00 andy753421 although that's proving to be rather difficult..
01 06:20:00 auchter andy753421: oh yeah, usb keyboards are fun in plan9
01 11:49:00 Morasique it would be worth never using c++ again just to escape linker errors
01 12:53:00 Morasique this is genius: http://www.awesomehighlighter.com/
01 16:31:00 auchter rather dead in here today
01 16:50:00 Morasique auchter: i blame you
01 16:54:00 auchter the topic of distributed filesystem p2p thing got me thinking last night
01 16:56:00 auchter it'd be interesting if people did dedicate a certain amount of space that's essentially world-writable
01 16:57:00 auchter when someone wants to share a file, it gets broken up into moderately small sized chunks and each chunk is hashed
01 16:57:00 auchter the chunks get sent out randomly and stored to people's writable shares
01 16:58:00 auchter as a whole, there'd be several copies of each chunk
01 16:59:00 auchter so to grab the file, it's pretty much just how bittorrent works
01 17:00:00 auchter it'd be interesting to assign like a ttl to each chunk stored on each persons share
01 17:01:00 auchter it decays normally, but the value is increased whenever it's fetched
01 17:12:00 Mishtal auchter: that actually was how i was thinking that it would work.
01 17:12:00 Mishtal when someone downloaded a file, say "awesome.mp3"
01 17:12:00 Mishtal the file would actually be stored inside the persons reserved space
01 17:12:00 Mishtal and would be symlinked to by the place that they wanted to download it to
01 17:13:00 Mishtal it ensures propagation by making sure there are more portions to download from the more popular a file is
01 17:13:00 Mishtal potentially a user can flag files as "never store locally"
01 17:13:00 Mishtal and would allow unpopular files to die off
01 17:14:00 auchter except that unpopular files shouldn't die off, and ideally people should not easily be able to tell/control what is in their shared area
01 17:15:00 Mishtal that was my other thought on it
01 17:15:00 Mishtal the only problem i havnt thought of a solution to is how to ensure that a particular file is downloadable in most cases
01 17:15:00 auchter even better if all the blocks are encrypted, and the key is in the "torrent"
01 17:15:00 Mishtal would be nice
01 17:16:00 Mishtal i was thinking to impliment a public private keypair similar to how waste does it
01 17:16:00 auchter it obviously doesn't solve the key problem with waste, which is anonymity
01 17:16:00 Mishtal but i suppose that a per-file basis would work
01 17:16:00 Mishtal sorry, say again?
01 17:20:00 Mishtal auchter: what did you mean by "it obviously /........./ anonymity"
01 17:24:00 Morasique i hope the irony of "what did you mean by 'it obviously ...'" hasn't escaped anyone :)
01 17:25:00 Mishtal yea, it completely escaped me. explain to me please?
01 17:25:00 Mishtal onh
01 17:25:00 Mishtal so i misread what you wrote
01 17:25:00 Mishtal uhhh
01 17:25:00 Mishtal yea thats pretty freakin ironic -.-
01 17:29:00 auchter Mishtal: waste isn't anonymous, which is the biggest problem with it
01 17:29:00 Mishtal ah, ok, yea that makes a lot more sense now. took me a while
01 17:30:00 Mishtal yea, i was hoping that, if not complete anonymity, than at least this type of system: where you dont know what you have and they dont know what they have, would help a bit with being able to recognize folk's usernames on waste..
01 18:02:00 tommost Regarding the chunking of files for p2p: it would be nice to do this intelligently for files with frequently-edited metadata like mp3s.
01 18:02:00 tommost You could put the (unchanging) audio data in separate chunks from the metadata so that it has increased redundancy.
01 18:03:00 tommost Morasique: I don't plan it.
01 18:20:00 tommost FYI, if a computer without a floppy drive is failing to boot a live CD due to buffered I/O errors on fd0, replace the CD-ROM drive.
01 18:28:00 tommost So, now I'm working on making a case for my now-booting computer out of cardboard.
01 18:28:00 andy753421 tommost: is it a new one?
01 18:29:00 andy753421 you could do like kevin and just screw it into the box that it came in ;)
01 18:30:00 tommost No, not new.
01 18:30:00 tommost It's old and noisy.
01 18:30:00 tommost I'm hoping that enough cardboard will make it quiet.
01 18:30:00 tommost I'm mounting one box inside another to completely isolate it.
01 18:31:00 tommost It's gonna be a bit large.
01 18:36:00 auchter tommost: i have a computer in a cardboard box. the power supply is epoxied to the side, motherboard is screwed into the bottom, etc.
01 18:36:00 auchter it works pretty well
01 18:37:00 tommost Any issues with resonance?
01 18:37:00 tommost I've heard that's an issue with wood.
01 18:37:00 andy753421 I'd think that it would be less of an issue, wood/cardboard should be a better damper than steel
01 18:38:00 tommost Apparently thin wood can resonate horribly if the fan is directly against it.
01 18:38:00 auchter no issues. it only has one fan (it's a via 600mhz) and it lives in a closet
01 18:39:00 andy753421 alright, i guess I could see that since wood is used in a lot of instruments
01 19:12:00 Mishtal tommost : my original assumption was that once a file is pushed unto into the darknet, its no longer modifiable.
01 19:12:00 Mishtal though, your comment has given me an idea
01 19:13:00 Mishtal it wouldnt be a bad idea to see if there would be any way to match repeated pieces of information among multiple different files
01 19:13:00 Mishtal or different versions of the same file that are pushed into the darknet
01 19:14:00 Mishtal i dont know exactly how that would happen... perhaps a cpu cycle or two (thousand) when the host computer isnt active could check different chunks for redundancy
01 19:15:00 Mishtal .... though out of curiosity... how often do MD4 / MD5 / MD6 hashes return the same hash for two different files?
01 19:15:00 andy753421 if each file is a bunch of separate chunks you could just pull in arbitrary chunks to make a file
01 19:16:00 andy753421 Mishtal: define often
01 19:17:00 Mishtal often : does it ever happen? does it happen less than once / thousand files? once / million files? once / 10 files?
01 19:17:00 andy753421 the point is that it "doesn't" happen
01 19:17:00 auchter md4, md5, sha1 have problems.
01 19:17:00 auchter it's not as hard as it should be to generate collisions
01 19:18:00 auchter sha256, sha512, whirlpool are all much better
01 19:18:00 andy753421 either way there's also a limited number of md5sum possible so there's bound to be collisions
01 19:18:00 Mishtal interesting
01 19:19:00 auchter of course, but md5 has some design flaws that make it much easier than it should be
01 19:20:00 andy753421 agreed
01 19:21:00 andy753421 also, I don't think MD6 exists
01 19:21:00 auchter i didn't comment on it because i had never heard of it..
01 19:22:00 andy753421 neither has wikipedia
01 19:22:00 Mishtal more than likely not, i think that i heard of it presented as a "well, if MD6 existed" and didnt really pay attention
01 19:24:00 auchter well, of course. you're mapping something on the order of 2^64 bytes to 20 bytes.
01 19:24:00 auchter if there weren't collisions, the universe would be a scary place
01 19:34:00 tommost Mishtal: I was thinking of cases where files are pulled from the net, modified, and put back on, which I think is a pretty common case.
01 19:36:00 Mishtal your right, it would be pretty common
01 19:37:00 Mishtal i was hoping that the user wouldnt be stupid enough to pull a file off, rename it, and shove it back in
01 19:37:00 Mishtal but i guess users arnt that bright
01 19:37:00 auchter i'd do that, because people suck at naming and tagging files.
01 19:37:00 Mishtal yea
01 19:37:00 tommost Indeed.
01 19:38:00 Mishtal but thats why i thought that it wouldnt be an issue if there was a way to reduce redundant chunks
01 19:38:00 tommost Also, are you intending to use md5 etc. as a way of detecting identical blocks, or in a cryptographical way?
01 19:38:00 tommost Because the collisions don't really matter for the former case.
01 19:38:00 tommost 128 bits should be enough.
01 19:39:00 auchter basically what i was envisioning was a distributed, redundant version of this: http://cm.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/venti.html
01 19:39:00 Mishtal i was thinking that a hash check would be used to check if two chunks MIGHT be identical, a byte by byte check if a collision happens wouldnt be unreasonable
01 19:39:00 andy753421 tommost: disagree, you don't want people to be able to inject malicious code into valid files
01 19:39:00 auchter except the whole append only part
01 19:40:00 auchter yes, collisions are a bad thing, and md5 is too vulnerable.
01 19:40:00 Mishtal auchter: fuck... someone beat me to an archive file-system. but, your right. very similar
01 19:41:00 auchter yeah. you're only 20 years behind the game
01 19:41:00 Mishtal heh. well.. some of the things this paper talks about i decided to go a different way with
01 19:42:00 auchter then you're likely wrong
01 19:42:00 Mishtal potentially
01 19:44:00 Mishtal but venti might not be a bad place to start at all
01 19:44:00 auchter it would be, because venti's designed for archival, which is not what a filesharing system should be aiming for
01 19:44:00 Mishtal ok, granted
01 19:45:00 auchter the indexing approach it takes would be useless for file sharing as well
01 19:45:00 auchter and, it's not distributed nor redundant
01 19:45:00 Mishtal i can see that.
01 19:45:00 Mishtal well, the distributed & redundant was what needed to be added.
01 19:45:00 Mishtal with the bittorrent like distributed chunks
01 19:46:00 Mishtal were your thoughts towards fixed size chunks? or variable sized?
01 19:46:00 auchter my thoughts are purely for the fun of it, as i see no chance of this being implemented
01 19:47:00 Mishtal no chance because its impractical? or no chance because you personally wont be doing work on it?
01 19:48:00 auchter i just find it unlikely that anyone will pursue such a thing
01 19:48:00 auchter anyway, i'm off to overpay for a hard drive so i can finally migrate from solaris to linux...
01 19:49:00 Mishtal my intention is to eventually put some work into it, but that doesnt mean that it will ever get done
01 19:49:00 Mishtal peace
01 19:50:00 andy753421 I want to say ITS did version control on any files that began with some special character
01 19:50:00 andy753421 but I don't remember where I read that..
01 19:51:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, i'm sure kenfs wasn't the first
01 20:38:00 auchter ok, now for the task of finding a filesystem that solaris, linux, and plan9 support...
01 20:38:00 andy753421 fat!
01 20:38:00 auchter and that suports large files...
01 20:38:00 auchter is there a fat 64? haha
01 20:39:00 andy753421 i thought you were going to stop using solaris?
01 20:39:00 auchter woah, there actually is.
01 20:39:00 auchter i am, but i need to get files off my solaris box
01 20:39:00 andy753421 ah, ok
01 20:39:00 andy753421 doesn't vfat support fat*?
01 20:39:00 auchter according to wikipedia, fat64 was introduced with vista sp1...
01 20:40:00 auchter so i doubt it's well supported anywhere
01 20:40:00 auchter and i can't use fat 32...
01 20:42:00 andy753421 does solaris support fuse, or is that freebsd?
01 20:42:00 auchter i think freebsd does, i'm not sure about solaris
01 20:43:00 auchter i was just about to settle on ext2, but apparently solaris can't write to that.
01 20:43:00 andy753421 really? that surprises me
01 20:43:00 auchter me too
01 20:43:00 auchter i suppose my best options are either ufs, or just copy files from my fileserver to this disk mounted in my laptop.
01 20:48:00 auchter andy753421: regarding the parallel thing in #plan9, this might interest you: http://canto.hopto.org/wiki/A_Simple_Grid/index.html
01 20:52:00 auchter ok, settled on the sane choice: reiserfs + rsync
01 21:42:00 auchter anyone here (probably with the '06 nw8440) using the tg3 driver able to get the MTU set higher than 1500?
01 21:44:00 andy753421 from wikipedia: "For example, a 1500 byte packet, the largest allowed by Ethernet at the network layer"
01 21:44:00 andy753421 might have something to do with it
01 21:44:00 auchter not for gigabit, a lot of hardware supports at least 9000 byte packets
01 21:44:00 auchter ipv4 is limited at 64KB
01 21:45:00 andy753421 in that case I don't know, but i'm using tg3 on a dell and have the same limit
01 21:49:00 andy753421 you might check /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/tg3.c:11430
01 21:50:00 auchter i've got a 5753, so it looks like it's jumbo frame capable
01 21:54:00 auchter it looks like broadcom used to maintain their own driver for the cards, but looking at the readme it was last tested with 2.6.13...
01 21:54:00 auchter so i'm guessing that it won't compile, but i'll give it a shot
01 21:55:00 auchter crazy developers making huge changes in the stable branch of the kernel...
01 21:56:00 auchter yup, i got a few consoles worth of errors from gcc.
01 23:19:00 andy753421 argh, venti is annoying
01 23:20:00 auchter why's that?
01 23:20:00 andy753421 it's really great at not working and getting corrupted
01 23:20:00 auchter heh, that sucks.
01 23:20:00 andy753421 and something about needing a DNS server to mount my root partition
01 23:21:00 auchter ...
01 23:21:00 auchter complain to 9fans
01 23:26:00 auchter well, let me know if you have any success with it (if you haven't given up), as i'm looking to start using it in about a week
01 23:27:00 auchter but i might be using p9p instead of a native install
01 23:27:00 andy753421 yea.. i imagine it would be a lot easier if i had a normal IDE controller and a PS/2 port
01 23:29:00 auchter yeah, i don't know if my sata controller is supported under plan9, and i furthur don't know if plan9 will do raid
01 23:29:00 andy753421 what sata controller is it?
01 23:32:00 auchter i forget, and i can't remember how to check under solaris
01 23:33:00 auchter i'll figure it out next week when my files finish copying...
01 23:34:00 andy753421 http://cm.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/pc/sdiahci.c under didtype() is the relevant part of the kernel
01 23:35:00 andy753421 although if that doesn't work, i think you can probably run it in IDE compatibility mode
01 23:35:00 auchter yeah, i can tell you right now it's not an intel controller
01 23:37:00 andy753421 well in that case, unless it's a amd SB600 i think you're out of luck
01 23:38:00 auchter hah, probably. i was planning on using linux on this machine anyway, so i'll just use p9p
02 00:43:00 andy753421 yay, it booted
02 00:43:00 andy753421 now i just need to get the keyboard/mouse/video card working ;)
02 00:46:00 auchter i had problems with usb mouse in plan 9, even after running usb/usbmouse
02 00:46:00 auchter i eventually just gave up on that ad drawterm'd in
02 00:46:00 andy753421 hey, that's a good idea
02 00:47:00 andy753421 maybe if i recompile the kernel without usb support it will work in the legacy mode
02 00:48:00 andy753421 but yea, drawterm beats using qemu,
02 00:48:00 auchter yes, significantly
02 00:48:00 andy753421 'cept it's probably not getting a ip address
02 00:48:00 auchter ah.
02 00:48:00 auchter and yeah, building a kernel under plan 9 is a very pleasant experience
02 00:48:00 andy753421 the network in my apartment is probably the worst i've ever seen :'(
02 00:49:00 auchter mk CONF='...'
02 00:49:00 auchter yeah, why's that?
02 00:49:00 andy753421 well to begin with you have to register the network card
02 00:49:00 andy753421 and the registration page only works about ~10% of the time
02 00:50:00 auchter at least it doesn't discriminate against people like rose's...
02 00:50:00 andy753421 it says 'you're already registered, please restart your web browser'
02 00:50:00 andy753421 as if for some reason restarting a web browser would renew the dhcpcd registration
02 00:51:00 auchter a brilliant non-sequitur indeed
02 00:51:00 andy753421 yea, clicking 'guest' lets you use it for.. a day
02 00:51:00 andy753421 and the default DHCP lease time is 60 seconds
02 00:52:00 auchter why would they do such a thing?
02 00:53:00 andy753421 and then once you do actually get it working, (and they actually respond to the dhcp request, which is about ~20% of the time) it cuts out for a couple minutes every 10 minutes or so
02 00:53:00 andy753421 also, the ethernet jack in my room is broken (mii-tools shows no connection) so i have a cable running down the hall at the moment
02 00:54:00 auchter i feel bad about complaining about IAIT now
02 00:54:00 andy753421 yea, an no real IP addresses either
02 00:54:00 auchter all NAT'd?
02 00:55:00 andy753421 yep, but when everything does actually work the download speeds are about ~5MB/s and no transfer limit
02 00:55:00 auchter i see... i still would not like not having a public ip
02 00:55:00 auchter it is still very ridiculous that rose has a /16.
02 00:56:00 andy753421 hehe, to bad we can't be like MIT and have a /8
02 00:56:00 andy753421 i really wonder what they do with all those addresses, do they assign a /16 to every building or something? maybe each room gets a /24 ;)
02 00:56:00 auchter we already have a good 16 times the number of ips we need
02 00:57:00 andy753421 yea, i've been tempted to VPN into rose just to get a 137.112 address before
02 00:58:00 auchter http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/
02 00:59:00 auchter some of the companies on there surprise me
02 00:59:00 andy753421 such as?
02 01:00:00 auchter prudential for one
02 01:15:00 andy753421 sweet, *nousbprobe=1 in plan9.ini fixed the keyboard issue
02 01:53:00 andy753421 auchter: is there a way to make a terminal in rio auto-scroll to the bottom?
02 02:26:00 andy753421 anyway, getting rio working was pretty simple, just had to set the monitor to vesa
02 02:26:00 andy753421 still no luck with the mouse though, it seem to not detect the usb drive correctly or something
02 10:36:00 auchter andy753421: middle click, select "scroll"
02 10:38:00 auchter there's also some flag that you can start rio with to make it scroll the terms, maybe '-s'
02 10:43:00 auchter awesome, apparently solaris is messing up the fact that my files are named in utf-8. i just found a directory called: "友川かずき - (1993) 花々の過失
02 10:43:00 andy753421 what about it?
02 11:18:00 auchter oh, so it's apparently my terminal that's messed up. how have i not noticed this until now...
02 12:21:00 Morasique does anybody else in lug use emacs besides me?
02 12:21:00 andy753421 povilusr_desktop: does
02 12:21:00 andy753421 and mellor, if he counts
02 12:22:00 Morasique mmk. just wondering
02 13:18:00 tommost octavious: I think that you need a screen session on Addiator. Really.
02 13:19:00 octavious heh. i use a screen session on my desktop here, but apparently my connection sucks
02 13:19:00 octavious it only happens when i am not sitting at my computer..
02 13:19:00 octavious you're right though. does irssi exist on addiator, or do i have to build it myself
02 13:24:00 tommost I think that auchter is using it on there, so I'm guessing that it's in /scratch/apps
02 15:14:00 andy753421 tommost: can greasemonkey download files to your hard disk?
02 15:14:00 tommost No.
02 15:15:00 tommost That seems to be the question everyone asks; I actually added it to the FAQ because it's so common.
02 15:16:00 andy753421 haha, yea my friend was asking me
02 15:16:00 andy753421 is that disallowed for all extensions?
02 15:16:00 tommost No, not at all.
02 15:16:00 andy753421 alright
02 15:16:00 tommost GM has its own security model for user scripts—generally, they don't get extension level privileges.
02 15:16:00 tommost The theory being that a script has less trust than an extension.
02 15:17:00 tommost If you want to write stuff to disk you can run a web server and GM_xmlHttpRequest() the data to it.
02 15:17:00 andy753421 screw that, i'll use wget
02 15:18:00 andy753421 although, i'm not the one wanting the script
02 15:18:00 tommost Ah, yeah, if you don't need the interactivity that GM permits then just doing it outside of Firefox will be easier.
02 15:18:00 tommost Personally, I like BeautifulSoup for screen scraping.
02 15:20:00 andy753421 speaking of html/xml parsing: http://bashcurescancer.com/
02 15:22:00 tommost Nice.
02 18:54:00 Morasique http://bashcurescancer.com/10-linux-commands-youve-never-used.html
02 18:54:00 Morasique i've used 9 of those; those lists are always disappointing
02 19:00:00 tommost What's the point of pstree when htop exists?
02 19:02:00 Morasique i've used it before to quickly check what threads a process is running, but there isn't really ever a need
02 19:08:00 tommost I find his screenshots especially strange. Windows‽
02 19:17:00 Morasique oh yeah, i didn't even notice
02 19:52:00 Morasique tommost: are you going to make that tv channels page you linked off the wiki homepage?
02 20:12:00 tommost Yeah.
02 20:12:00 tommost I just ran to taco bell when I was in the middle of finishing it.
02 20:13:00 tommost I'm not completely sure what some channels are yet.
02 20:14:00 tommost WTF is channel 9?
02 20:15:00 Morasique i don't think i've watched cable at rose since freshman year except the news
02 20:15:00 Morasique rose doesn't have a channel list somewhere?
02 20:16:00 tommost I don't know. It didn't occur to me to check.
02 20:17:00 tommost I would expect that it doesn't include the digital channels, though.
02 20:19:00 tommost Okay, I've saved it.
02 20:48:00 Morasique andy753421: what do you use for wireless?
02 20:48:00 andy753421 um, b43
02 20:48:00 Morasique ok. i think i used to use ndiswrapper on ubuntu, i wasn't sure if b43 worked
02 20:49:00 andy753421 yea, b43 is nice
02 20:49:00 andy753421 i haven't used ndiswrapper for a year or two
02 20:50:00 andy753421 it's changing a lot so a new kernel is usually good
02 20:54:00 andy753421 Morasique: so did you never use RHIT-1X?
02 20:56:00 Morasique i always had problems with it, the connection dropped constantly
02 20:56:00 Morasique i never had problems with any other network so i just kind of gave up on it
02 21:00:00 auchter i use b43 and i still occasionally have problems with RHIT-1X
02 21:00:00 auchter (also, i have not once been able to use the RHIT access points. never.)
02 21:01:00 andy753421 i got those working once freshman year but it was pretty terrible, -1X usually works a lot better for me
02 21:06:00 tommost Not really related, but I have a magical Linksys access point that no Windows computer can connect to.
02 21:06:00 tommost It amuses me.
02 21:10:00 Morasique tommost: it's a feature
02 21:11:00 auchter haha, channel 9. the number of televangelists on rose's cable is really amusing
02 21:11:00 tommost Yes. I'm curious whether it's specific to my encryption settings. If not, I'll be leaving it unencrypted in Percopo this fall. :D
02 21:12:00 auchter ergh, it drives me nuts when people have their access points on campus encrypted...
02 21:12:00 Morasique most of them are 'cause people don't know how to set it up to not use their bandwidth
02 21:12:00 auchter well they fail at life, because it's rather annoying to try to find a network jack somewhere
02 21:13:00 auchter especially when you see twenty access points in range...
02 21:13:00 tommost I have it set up as a switch, but I'm scared to change my settings lest it break. Aside from the way it hates Windows there's not a whole lot to recommend this AP.
02 21:14:00 tommost But yeah, if I can get the area around me to just use my AP instead of setting their own I'll get much better performance.
02 21:14:00 tommost It was miserable in Speed because of spectrum crowding.
02 21:15:00 tommost I couldn't stream videos when my AP was 10 feet away.
02 21:15:00 auchter that's when you just get an amplifier and a bigger antenna
02 21:15:00 tommost :D
02 21:15:00 auchter as a bonus, if you do it right, you can cook food with it.
02 21:16:00 tommost It would be nice if we could set up a unified student network in the dorms so that everyone doesn't need their own.
02 21:17:00 auchter the LUG should take up covering the entire campus with wifi.
02 21:17:00 tommost Indeed.
02 21:17:00 Morasique auchter: that probably wouldn't be hard
02 21:17:00 Morasique IAIT covers everything except the dorms
02 21:17:00 auchter we could mount antennae on those completely unnecessary siren towers we now have
02 21:18:00 tommost Would consumer-level hardware work? Or would we need something better?
02 21:20:00 auchter consumer level would likely work, for specific values of consumer level
02 21:20:00 tommost I wonder if we could get RHA do pay for it?
02 21:21:00 auchter doubtful
02 21:22:00 auchter also, what kind of a budget will we be able to get this year?
02 21:25:00 andy753421 i'm hoping for ~$1000 but I don't really know at all
02 21:25:00 andy753421 however much we can get out of them ;)
02 21:26:00 tommost smiles
02 21:26:00 andy753421 also, i had my router encrypted last year because the apartment below me would just leave several computers running the entire time connected to wast which completely maxed out the wireless connection and made everything else suck
02 21:27:00 tommost Yeah, if the LUG does WiFi we should block WASTE.
02 21:39:00 Mishtal well, block it on the WIFI anyway.
02 21:39:00 tommost Of course.
02 21:40:00 tommost Also bittorrent.
02 21:43:00 Morasique weren't we complaining about iait crippling bittorrent?
02 21:43:00 tommost Not over wireless.
02 21:44:00 Morasique well no, over everything, which would encompass wireless
02 21:44:00 Morasique what's the command-line mechanism for listing available wireless networks? i always used the gnome applet for this stuff
02 21:44:00 Morasique and i can't get kismet working for some reason
02 21:44:00 tommost Morasique: nm-applet
02 21:45:00 tommost ;)
02 21:45:00 Morasique thanks so much :)
02 21:45:00 auchter Morasique: iwlist <interface> scanning
02 21:45:00 Morasique ah, thanks
02 21:49:00 tommost I have to say that I'm terribly disappointed in Rose. WTF do we only get one C-SPAN?
02 21:50:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure that's not an accepted use of WTF
02 21:50:00 auchter tommost: i agree, rose needs more comedy channels.
02 21:51:00 tommost Yeah, I'm pissed that we don't get Jon Stewart (a.k.a. Comedy Central).
02 21:51:00 tommost What does a cable box gain you?
02 21:51:00 auchter although really c-span is much more of a black comedy.
02 21:52:00 tommost :D
02 21:52:00 tommost Sometimes Book TV is good.
02 21:55:00 andy753421 Morasique: that works, please see '$ wtf is wtf'
02 21:56:00 andy753421 also, did you set source=bcm43xx?
02 21:56:00 auchter hah, i just tried wtf on addiator (i don't have it installed here): /afs/rose-hulman.edu/@sys/cadence/IUS61/tools.lnx86/bin/wtf: Permission denied.
02 21:56:00 andy753421 (for kistmet.conf)
02 21:57:00 Morasique i usually just do kismet -c bcm43xx,wlan0,wireless and it works, but now i'm getting that wlan0 isn't a known interface for some reason
02 21:59:00 Morasique oh, i guess -c sets the source config option. i don't know why i didn't just set that
02 22:00:00 andy753421 hm, udev did register the interface a wlan0 correct?
02 22:01:00 Morasique yeah, it shows up fine for anything else, kismet is the only thing that doesn't see it
02 22:01:00 auchter udev frightens and confuses me
02 22:02:00 andy753421 auchter: yes, as do hotplug and coldplug, i still have no idea what those to services do
02 22:02:00 Morasique what does "network is down" mean from iwlist? i assume it's not the same as not connected to a network
02 22:02:00 auchter yup, that's one big portion of linux which i really know nothing about
02 22:03:00 andy753421 yea, i bet pretty soon ubuntu is going to invent a 'up-plug' and a 'start-plug' to replace them
02 22:04:00 tommost Hm?
02 22:04:00 andy753421 anyway, i need to pack seeing as how i'm supposed to move today
02 22:06:00 Morasique oh, i'm missing the broadcom firmware. that would explain my constant wireless problems
02 22:06:00 Morasique dmesg has the same error message about a hundred times telling me to go download it
02 22:19:00 Morasique cool, kismet works now
02 22:19:00 Morasique iwlist still hates me
02 22:22:00 andy753421 you might have to run ifconfig wlan0 up first
02 22:23:00 Morasique ah. yes, that would explain the network is down error i was getting, although now i get that scanning "is not supported"
02 22:23:00 Morasique kismet listing all the wireless networks near me seems to refute that error
02 22:26:00 Morasique i'm surprised how many ubuntu people do wireless stuff manually, everytime i search for an error message i find ubuntu forum posts
02 22:27:00 tommost I think that Ubuntu Forums does some sort of magic to make it always come up first in Google searches, even if it's completely useless and non-relevant.
02 22:27:00 Mishtal dont be surprised.. if the gui ap works for enough people, they arnt going to bother trying to make it more useful
02 22:28:00 Morasique hmm. i reprobed b43 and now it works
02 22:43:00 tommost TheBrickWahl: Hello.
02 22:43:00 TheBrickWahl hi
02 22:43:00 Mishtal Link to a science website about nano-tech. http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-nanoradio.html interesting stuff.
02 22:44:00 tommost all: I have verified that the link is safe.
02 22:44:00 Mishtal lmao
02 22:47:00 Mishtal tom
02 22:47:00 Mishtal maybe you know the answer to my confusion
02 22:47:00 Mishtal recently i did something to my laptop that completely fuxed my tty 1 2 - 5 6
02 22:47:00 Mishtal but the graphical environment still works
02 22:48:00 Mishtal if i switch to tty1, via alt + ctrl + f-1
02 22:48:00 Mishtal my screen looks like the top of a wall of an old castle
02 22:48:00 Mishtal (paraphet..? something like that)
02 22:48:00 Mishtal its identical to all of them except 7
02 22:49:00 Mishtal heres the link to a photo i just took of my screen, if you care to see what im talking about. http://24.160.201.84/tty1.jpg
02 22:51:00 tommost #rhlug: The link is safe.
02 22:51:00 tommost Mishtal: No idea.
02 22:51:00 Mishtal lmao
02 22:51:00 Mishtal yea, oh well
02 22:52:00 Mishtal i think i will just reinstall and hope for the best
02 22:55:00 Morasique Mishtal: did you switch to a framebuffer or something?
02 22:56:00 Mishtal no
02 22:56:00 Mishtal i really didnt do anything
02 22:56:00 Mishtal except uninstall evolution
02 22:56:00 Morasique odd
02 22:57:00 Mishtal potentially it happened when i asked grub to boot into an older kernal out of curiousity
02 22:57:00 Morasique is it messed up when you first boot?
02 22:57:00 Mishtal but ive been booting my most recent one since
02 22:57:00 Mishtal and, no
02 22:57:00 Mishtal that only happens when X starts
02 22:57:00 Mishtal until then i get normal info
02 22:58:00 Morasique hmm. i'm not sure how X could screw up your ttys, but i don't really know anything about it
02 22:58:00 Mishtal ye
02 22:58:00 Mishtal a
02 22:58:00 Mishtal meh. tomorrow i hope to wipe and reinstall, so i dont think it will be a problem
02 23:05:00 auchter yet another ubuntu feature: uninstall evolution and get a free castle-looking thing on your consoles!
02 23:06:00 Mishtal lmao!
02 23:06:00 Mishtal yes! yes!
02 23:06:00 auchter finally, a rational explanation for the people who want to uninstall evolution in real life: they're doing it for the castles
02 23:06:00 Mishtal if i can humbly bed the great auchter's tutelage.. i would like knowledge of gentoo
02 23:07:00 auchter meh, i suck at gentoo
02 23:08:00 tommost Whaaaaat‽
02 23:09:00 auchter hmm?
02 23:11:00 auchter tommost: looking at your username on the wiki, you do know it's pretty much required that you make your own window manager, right?
02 23:15:00 tommost Hm?
02 23:15:00 tommost Oh.
02 23:15:00 tommost Indeed.
02 23:16:00 tommost LMAO
02 23:17:00 auchter ...?
02 23:17:00 tommost I wish that twm were less crappy.
02 23:38:00 tommost I can't believe myself. I was working on my wiki user page and thought that linking "LUG's Server Turner-Oner" to a line in logview with someone asking me to restart the servers would be a good idea.
02 23:38:00 tommost I just spend five minutes searching for a line asking me to to just that.
02 23:43:00 Morasique smooth
02 23:43:00 Morasique tommost: restart the lug server
02 23:43:00 Morasique there you go
02 23:44:00 tommost Thanks.
02 23:46:00 auchter tommost: go turn on freya
02 23:46:00 tommost It's on! I swear!
02 23:46:00 tommost But okay.
02 23:46:00 auchter haha, i believe you that it's on
02 23:46:00 auchter you don't have to do it today, just when you get around to it
02 23:47:00 auchter mainly that was just another thing you could put on your user page: "Starting up computers that would rather not be on"
02 23:59:00 tommost Okay, I restarted it.
02 23:59:00 tommost I also watched it boot up. It replayed the journal and seemed to come up just fine.
03 00:01:00 auchter tommost: awesome, thanks
03 00:37:00 Morasique TheBrickWahl1: rose?
03 00:37:00 tommost Morasique: Robotics Team.
03 00:37:00 Morasique ah
03 00:38:00 Morasique silly robotics team
03 00:39:00 tommost Morasique: 'cmon. You know you want to.
03 00:40:00 Mishtal i was hoping to tag along with the robotics people this year, if i could beg for tommost's permission
03 00:40:00 Morasique well, i'm emerging vim and installing vista on my desktop right now, but after i'm done with that i'm all over robotics club
03 00:40:00 tommost Morasique: ROFL.
03 00:41:00 tommost Mishtal: Fine by me.
03 00:41:00 tommost Just show up!
03 00:42:00 Mishtal hokay
03 00:45:00 tommost Mishtal: Do you know Python or C well?
03 00:46:00 Mishtal Python: no. C: my favorite language.
03 00:46:00 tommost Excellent.
03 00:46:00 tommost You'll need to pick up some Python.
03 00:47:00 Mishtal though i assume that working on Treck will have tainted my standard C ability :-P
03 00:47:00 tommost I recommend reading the first few chapters of Dive Into Python.
03 00:47:00 Mishtal meh
03 00:47:00 Mishtal ok
03 00:47:00 Mishtal i dont own a copy of that
03 00:47:00 Mishtal but, i assume that clifton will let me borrow his or something
03 00:47:00 tommost Oh, it's online.
03 00:47:00 tommost http://diveintopython.org/
03 00:48:00 Mishtal hey! look at that!
03 00:48:00 Mishtal woot!
03 00:50:00 Mishtal what does the robot have running on it now?
03 00:50:00 tommost Debian stable.
03 00:51:00 tommost Though Andy updated the kernel to get the Ethernet port working.
03 00:51:00 Mishtal ok. so, what is the robot supposed to do ATM?
03 00:52:00 tommost It's for the Intelligent Ground Vehicle Competition. Basically, it has to navigate a course with lanes defined by white/yellow lines and various obstacles as quickly as possible.
03 00:53:00 tommost http://www.igvc.org/
03 00:53:00 Mishtal oh
03 00:53:00 Mishtal ok
03 00:54:00 tommost It's actually quite difficult.
03 00:54:00 Mishtal they dont have photos of us participating in 07?
03 00:55:00 tommost They don't seem to have updated the site at all since the competition.
03 00:55:00 Mishtal oh
03 00:55:00 Mishtal fun
03 00:55:00 tommost Yeah.
03 00:55:00 tommost I have tons of photos, though.
03 00:55:00 tommost Several GB.
03 00:55:00 Mishtal it looks really fun
03 00:56:00 Mishtal im guessing weve worked out how to detect / stay within the lines...?
03 00:56:00 andy753421 heh heh
03 00:56:00 Mishtal ?
03 00:56:00 Mishtal is that a no?
03 00:56:00 andy753421 theoretically it sortof works
03 00:56:00 tommost Well, it's hard to know since we don't have working motor controllers.
03 00:56:00 Mishtal fun...?
03 00:57:00 tommost No, anger.
03 00:57:00 tommost glares at auchter
03 00:57:00 andy753421 yea, since the robot doesn't actually move we haven't been able to do much testing
03 00:57:00 Mishtal im guessing some sort of optical input sees where it thinks the line is and then plots a path that keeps it moving where it thinks it should but that avoids running past the line?
03 00:59:00 tommost Yeah, we have an awesome camera.
03 00:59:00 Mishtal only one?
03 00:59:00 tommost Yeah.
03 01:00:00 tommost http://www3.elphel.com/index.php
03 01:00:00 Mishtal how do you do distance finding?
03 01:00:00 Mishtal how do you know how far away you are from the line?
03 01:00:00 tommost If you have any interest in making the motor controllers work it would be awesome to make the robot move sometime this summer. (You're a CPE, right?)
03 01:00:00 Mishtal SE...
03 01:00:00 Mishtal lol, bit of a difference
03 01:00:00 Morasique not to CSes there isn't
03 01:00:00 Morasique :)
03 01:00:00 tommost Oh, sorry, I was confused about which person whose name shows up in pink you were. :D
03 01:00:00 Morasique you're all equally inferior
03 01:01:00 Mishtal between software engineering and cpe?
03 01:01:00 Mishtal large difference
03 01:01:00 tommost Indeed.
03 01:01:00 Mishtal im doubleing as a CS. SE as primary is just the best way to get both majors, in my opinion
03 01:01:00 tommost I agree. I'm doing the same thing.
03 01:02:00 Mishtal it also conviently places me closer to a Math tertiary
03 01:02:00 Mishtal though i doubt that i have the time to get it
03 01:02:00 Morasique scoffs disbelievingly
03 01:02:00 Morasique i was going for the math triple major for a while but i dropped it
03 01:02:00 Mishtal but tom how do you guys find out how far away the line is?
03 01:03:00 andy753421 one of these days I'm going to register http://wheresyourmathnow.com and post about how much math sucks
03 01:03:00 tommost We don't, really. We look for where it is clear and steer in that direction.
03 01:03:00 Mishtal i dislike most of how rose goes about teaching math.
03 01:03:00 tommost I'm thinking that we could use some improvement in that area.
03 01:03:00 andy753421 Mishtal: that's actually rather easy (if we were doing it) since the camera is in a relatively known position
03 01:04:00 Morasique at least people have started to realize that the whole "CSes are math majors with computers" thing is wrong, it took a while
03 01:04:00 Mishtal i know that we offer math majors... but the math department at an engineering school shouldnt be teaching math for math majors, it should be teaching math for engineers....
03 01:04:00 tommost Morasique: Yeah, thank God.
03 01:05:00 Mishtal andy753421: the camera being low helps find the distance from the line using what algorithm? i was under the impression that it would have to be done with two points of reference, otherwise you need to know some other information about the arena
03 01:05:00 andy753421 i've always thought of it as "SE's are CS's that have to deal with annoying customers"
03 01:06:00 auchter i've always thought of it as "SE is a managerial degree"
03 01:06:00 Mishtal i agree with andy. thats basically what we are. but, i believe it will help my job prospects with my primary being SE instead of CS, as i want to start a company at somepoint
03 01:06:00 Morasique when i was applying to college nobody could tell me the difference between SE and CS, i pretty much picked CS because i'd heard of it first
03 01:06:00 Morasique people could barely tell me the difference between CS and CPE, it was stunning
03 01:06:00 andy753421 Mishtal: the camera is somewhat high so if we assume the ground is flat (which it mostly is) we can use the camera position along with the robot orientation (from the accelerometer) to calculate positions on the ground
03 01:07:00 tommost Yeah. Plus, once we mount the accelerometer on the camera we'll know exactly what direction it is pointed relative to down.
03 01:07:00 andy753421 Mishtal: stereo vision is rather difficult and processor intensive, if we wanted to do it the 'right way' we'd need a laser rangefinder
03 01:07:00 Mishtal Morasique: you should really let jajcay, barg ( if he didnt get fired...), and loutsenhizer know that CS's arnt math majors for computers. they dont seem to understand the concept that non math majors care about things other than math.
03 01:08:00 Morasique i have no idea who those people are
03 01:08:00 Mishtal andy753421: true, and true.
03 01:08:00 Mishtal Morasique: math professors. all from that list, save loutzy,are horrible
03 01:09:00 tommost It would be awesome if we could do binocular vision by hooking up two sensors to the Elphel.
03 01:09:00 auchter i disagree. computer science was around before computers were invented
03 01:09:00 Mishtal computational science, as opposed to computer science?
03 01:09:00 andy753421 computer didn't mean electronic computers originally
03 01:10:00 andy753421 I wan't to say that the original programmers were actually called 'computers'
03 01:10:00 Mishtal tommost andy753421, my initial thought was that each camera would find the line in its field of view, and knowing the angle between the camera's could find the distance from the difference of where the see the line & trig
03 01:11:00 Mishtal computers were actually humans that did calculations
03 01:11:00 Mishtal the original ones, anyway
03 01:11:00 Morasique i'm sure everyone has seen this before, but: "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes"
03 01:11:00 Morasique (Dijkstra)
03 01:11:00 auchter damn, i was just typing that out
03 01:11:00 Morasique mwahahahaha
03 01:11:00 Morasique copy paste
03 01:12:00 Mishtal good for dijkstra. i think ill stick with my nice sexy 3 gigs of ram and dual core processor... thank you
03 01:12:00 auchter i'll stick with dijkstra
03 01:13:00 tommost andy753421: Are we going to want a telecentric lens to remove perspective distortion?
03 01:13:00 auchter even if i still don't know how to pronounce his name
03 01:13:00 auchter and speaking of unpronouceable cs names, is Hoare pronounced the way it looks?
03 01:13:00 Mishtal tommost, i dont know what that is, or does... explain?
03 01:13:00 Morasique auchter: i believe so
03 01:13:00 tommost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecentric_lens
03 01:13:00 auchter i realized that something i said at work about Hoare may not have been clear, haha
03 01:14:00 Mishtal yay! wikipedia
03 01:14:00 Morasique and dijk is pronounced "dike"
03 01:14:00 tommost I was already there to make sure I spelled it right. ;D
03 01:14:00 Morasique through some magic
03 01:14:00 auchter dutch magic
03 01:16:00 Mishtal ah, makes sense what it does now
03 01:16:00 andy753421 tommost: removing perspective distortion is pretty easy to do in software
03 01:17:00 tommost Okay then. I take it that's not what we were doing earlier in the year with the Matlab stuff?
03 01:17:00 Mishtal wow... Japanese women cannot sing in English what so ever...
03 01:17:00 andy753421 sort of, but it's a lot easier if we only have one camera
03 01:18:00 andy753421 you only have to deal with the intrinsic parameters and not the extrinsic ones
03 01:18:00 tommost Er. Okay.
03 01:18:00 tommost I'm still not sure what we were doing...
03 01:19:00 tommost It makes me want to take Computer Vision, but also makes me not want to.
03 01:19:00 Mishtal i dont really know much about image - req as of yet, but i think i can manage to do whatever you want me to with the data that image - reqing gives you..
03 01:20:00 andy753421 .. that last sentence makes me want to kill myself for using stupid terminology
03 01:20:00 Mishtal lol
03 01:21:00 andy753421 basically, we don't have to figure out the orientation of the camera, so all we only need a single image of a checkerboard
03 01:21:00 andy753421 at least if i'm remembering correctly
03 01:21:00 Mishtal checkerboard? i think you might have missed a word or two, i dont understand
03 01:22:00 tommost Mishtal: Photos of a checkerboard pattern are used to figure out what needs to be compensated for when de-distorting images from the camera.
03 01:23:00 andy753421 Mishtal: basically it tells you what is square in real life, so from that you can distort the image to make it appear square to the computer as well
03 01:23:00 Mishtal ah!, you compare the checkerboard image taken with the camera with what it should be to see what level of distortion there is and then use that to un-distort any subsequent images
03 01:24:00 andy753421 yep
03 01:24:00 Mishtal sometimes its pretty aweome how easy things can be
03 01:27:00 tommost Do we need to come up with an implementation of that undistortion or does OpenCV provide it?
03 01:27:00 andy753421 I think OpenCV does iti
03 01:27:00 tommost Awesome.
03 01:29:00 tommost Also, I think that we need some setup for saving configuration information like that without hard-coding it.
03 01:29:00 andy753421 agreed
03 01:30:00 tommost I'm thinking an ini-file?
03 01:31:00 andy753421 Yaml
03 01:31:00 tommost Good idea.
03 01:33:00 Morasique obviously you should use xml
03 01:33:00 andy753421 XML kills babies
03 01:33:00 auchter well done
03 01:33:00 andy753421 i have to generate about 2 Gb of XML data this summer
03 01:33:00 andy753421 it makes me sad :'(
03 01:34:00 tommost What's that for?
03 01:35:00 andy753421 the input for the learning software i'm working with is a bunch of XML files
03 01:35:00 tommost Ouch.
03 01:35:00 Mishtal you have to generate that by hand?
03 01:35:00 Mishtal *shudders*
03 01:35:00 andy753421 apparently it takes python over 32 Gb of ram to parse a 150Mb xml file
03 01:35:00 Mishtal ...?
03 01:35:00 tommost It depends on the parser you use.
03 01:36:00 tommost I doubt that cElementTree would take that much RAM.
03 01:36:00 Mishtal how much information does this file contain...?
03 01:36:00 andy753421 yea, i've been told that they used the one with the best documentation, which probably also happens to be the slowest
03 01:36:00 Mishtal ha...
03 01:37:00 andy753421 roughly 3000 * 1200 * 5 data points
03 01:37:00 tommost Strange. I mean, there are 3 in the standard library alone.
03 01:37:00 tommost And none are really poorly documented.
03 01:37:00 Mishtal what company are you working for?
03 01:37:00 tommost ElementTree is a bid odd compared to most, though..
03 01:37:00 andy753421 Mishtal: i'm doing research at the university of oklahoma
03 01:38:00 Mishtal oh. gotcha
03 01:38:00 Mishtal kiwis are delicious...?
03 01:40:00 tommost ?
03 01:41:00 Mishtal i bought kiwis from wallmart today.. 50 cents each
03 01:41:00 Mishtal they are delicious
03 01:42:00 tommost You bought produce from Wallmart? I hope the food poisoning passes swiftly.
03 01:42:00 Mishtal ill be ok
03 01:42:00 Mishtal kiwis are inside of a thick skin for a reason...
03 01:42:00 Mishtal it means you have to remove it before you can eat
03 01:43:00 Mishtal and with it, like 2 % of the poison! :-D
03 01:43:00 tommost I, on the other hand, have brownies and cranberry juice. Delicous.
03 01:44:00 Mishtal brownies = awesome. cranberry juice... meh
03 01:44:00 tommost cranberry juice > brownies
03 01:44:00 auchter you would think that as frequently as i use route(1) i wouldn't have to look at the man page every time i use it.
03 01:45:00 auchter i suppose it doesn't help that openbsd's version is different from linux's
03 01:46:00 auchter also, is there a way to get ifconfig to *not* mess with my routing table?
03 01:46:00 Mishtal no
03 01:46:00 Mishtal that would just be...
03 01:47:00 Mishtal preposterous
03 01:47:00 auchter thanks for the help
03 01:47:00 Mishtal most welcome
03 01:49:00 auchter so last night i took my solaris file server off my network and hooked it up directly to my laptop to copy files over
03 01:49:00 auchter looks like the dhcp lease timed out in the meantime...
03 01:55:00 Morasique auchter: you can define routes in /etc/conf.d/net i think, that might help
03 01:56:00 auchter well, my problem was that when i did something like "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.200", it seemed to add a route for eth0 to 192.168.1.0, which i did not want
03 01:57:00 auchter as in "192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0"
03 02:11:00 tommost octavious: He's the new you.
03 11:58:00 auchter anyone have any suggestions for a livecd that has a serial console enabled by default?
03 11:58:00 auchter i'm going to need to install gentoo at some point this week, and i don't have
03 11:58:00 auchter i'm going to need to install gentoo at some point this week, and i don't have any monitors or keyboards
03 12:47:00 octaviou2 damn my connection.
03 12:52:00 jboticsourc1 octavious: are u in the depths of being a total tool?
03 12:55:00 octavious always.
03 12:59:00 jboticsourc1 i am glad that i am not alone
03 13:07:00 Morasique octavious: i don't know if anybody answered you before, but irssi is on addiator at /scratch/apps/irssi if you want to use it
03 13:18:00 octavious yeah. its about time i do so
03 13:24:00 octavious much better.
03 13:25:00 octavious although, there is something bothersome about running apps someone else compiled from /scratch/apps...
03 13:25:00 octavious maybe i can ssh in from work...
03 13:41:00 TheBrickWahl jboticsourc1: did Tom tell you what he and I discussed last night?
03 13:43:00 jboticsourc1 TheBrickWahl: please enlighten me
03 13:44:00 jboticsourc1 TheBrickWahl: nice to see you in chat 2
03 13:48:00 TheBrickWahl Tom said he would like a more rounded frame for the robot next year
03 13:49:00 auchter octavious: don't worry, i was the one who compiled it
03 13:49:00 auchter laughs evilly
03 13:49:00 TheBrickWahl so it can turn without the corners hitting anything
03 13:49:00 Morasique when i think trustworthy, i think auchter
03 13:49:00 Morasique gives a thumb up to the camera
03 13:49:00 auchter wait, there are cameras here?
03 13:49:00 jboticsourc1 TheBrickWahl: ahh yes. tom has mentioned this to me. thank you for passing it on.
03 13:50:00 octavious haha, well now you probably know my password for Nickserv...damn.
03 13:50:00 TheBrickWahl he asked me if I could work on a design over the summer
03 13:50:00 TheBrickWahl I said sure, but I wanted to make sure we were all on the same page first
03 13:51:00 Morasique s/camera/luglog/
03 13:53:00 auchter robotics people: it's a shame that the robot won't be on a hard, flat surface, this would be an awesome drivetrain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPmC4KPvOfg
03 13:54:00 auchter note: mute your audio prior to watching that if you want to avoid feeling the need for a lobotomy
03 13:54:00 jboticsourc1 making the robot circular is a big decision. i think it is a great idea. and i will push for it when the time comes. But the rest of the team needs to be consulted. But having a plan on how the circular design will work will make it more appealing. So I encourage you to put together some ideas so that we can make a case for the design.
03 13:56:00 TheBrickWahl jboticsourc1: I don't know how much Tom told you, but he was thinking 2 drive wheels in the middle with casters in front and back
03 13:57:00 jboticsourc1 TheBrickWahl: cool. sounds logical
03 13:59:00 TheBrickWahl joboticsourc1: we said we should make it as small as we can within the requirements for width and length, but make it taller than last year to mount the camera so it can look down. It would have multiple tiers with the heaviest stuff on the bottom and the electronics and sensors up on top.
03 14:07:00 jboticsourc1 TheBrickWahl: I need to go. I will talk to you later :)
03 14:38:00 tommost robotics people: http://www.automow.com/
03 14:39:00 tommost auchter: I can't seem to view that video, but I'd like to point out that sumo robots operate on a flat surface. ;-)
03 15:05:00 tommost_aorist Does anyone know where the nautilus trash folder is? My disk is full for no obvious reason and I'd like to empty it.
03 15:06:00 auchter is baffled that people still use nautilus
03 15:06:00 auchter i thought that died years ago
03 15:07:00 tommost_aorist I use it to browse videos and pictures because of the thumbnails.
03 15:08:00 tommost_aorist I'm totally open to using a different file manager as long as it has that feature. I'm tired of adding "--no-desktop" to stop it from taking over my screen.
03 15:08:00 tommost_aorist And this isn't the first time it has done weird stuff with my trash.
03 15:08:00 auchter i've used thunar before, but i remember it sucking and also am not sure if it thumbnails
03 15:09:00 tommost_aorist I just finished purging its config crap from my computer.
03 15:24:00 tommost_aorist To answer my own question, it's in .local/share/Trash
03 15:35:00 auchter people's internet connections are really failing today
03 15:39:00 andy753421 mine's not, i'm screwing with my buddy list
03 15:40:00 tommost You use Pidgin for IRC?
03 15:40:00 andy753421 yea
03 15:40:00 tommost Score!
03 15:40:00 andy753421 mostly i just like having the chat windows get merged
03 15:40:00 tommost It's nice to know that someone sees my em dashes.
03 15:45:00 auchter why are you assuming people who don't use pidgin don't?
03 15:45:00 tommost I'm assuming that people using a console IRC client don't get to appreciate them because they are displayed in a monospace font.
03 15:46:00 tommost It's typically difficult to tell em dashes, en dashes, and hyphens apart at a glance in a monospace font.
03 15:46:00 auchter that'd be a good assumption
03 15:46:00 auchter additionally, i'd probably yell at anyone stupid enough to not use a monospace font for their terminals
03 15:47:00 tommost Indeed.
03 15:47:00 tommost However, I find that this makes a terminal an unsuitable place for an IRC client.
03 15:48:00 auchter for reading large pieces of text continually, i do like variable spaced fonts for obvious reasons. irc doesn't fall into this category
03 15:48:00 auchter most monospaced fonts are quite good
03 15:49:00 tommost I prefer something more compact, since I typically relegate IRC to a small corner of my screen.
03 15:51:00 auchter so apparently i have some sort of affinity for putting things in the refridgerator. last week it was ice cream, and today i just found the rosemary that i had been frantically searching for in there.
03 15:52:00 tommost What are you using the rosemary for?
03 15:53:00 auchter i was going to have goat cheese, olive oil, and rosemary some bread, but i've decided to forego the rosemary now, as it's likely no good.
03 15:54:00 tommost Oh, speaking of cheeses, where do I get Greek yogurt?
03 15:55:00 auchter the asian market has it (and i don't actually know the difference between greek yogurt and plain yogurt, either. there might not be any)
03 15:55:00 auchter baesslers has greek yogurt too
03 15:55:00 tommost Strange. I didn't find it either place.
03 15:56:00 tommost Would it just be by the regular yogurts in Baesler's?
03 15:57:00 auchter i believe so
03 15:57:00 tommost Hm. Well, I'll look harder next time I'm there.
03 15:58:00 auchter i'm not looking forward to having to deal with terre haute's pathetic cheese selection again...
03 15:59:00 tommost Yes, it pains me.
03 15:59:00 tommost Strangely, Kroger brand Muenster is the best that I've found.
03 16:01:00 auchter i'm not a fan of muenster. i mostly eat goat chese and brie, as well as various semi-hard sheeps milk cheeses
03 16:03:00 tommost I like muenster with salami—a dry sandwich keeps nicely when made in the morning. Unfortunately, Baesler's doesn't seem to have any that isn't sliced (expensive) and the brand carried by Wallmart is too sweet (unsurprisingly).
03 16:04:00 auchter yeah, the cured meat selection in terre haute is also pathetic
03 16:04:00 auchter i've not found one place that sells prosciutto
03 16:05:00 tommost I don't have any idea what that is, but I'd probably like to try it. Which Terre Haute prevents.
03 16:05:00 auchter nor a decent sopressata, or any decent salami, etc.
03 16:06:00 auchter lexington's not much better in the cured meat department, but i can at least get decent cheese here
03 16:07:00 tommost I can't buy decent crasins here at all, from what I've seen.
03 16:08:00 auchter i don't really like dried cranberries much, but i love dried cherries. and there is no availability in terre haute.
03 16:09:00 auchter i get my fill of those from eastern market in detroit ;)
03 16:11:00 tommost I was tempted to bring stuff to Terre Haute from the King Sooper's in Fort Collins—they had all sorts of stuff there. All the produce was excellent, including the fresh cherries.
03 16:13:00 auchter everytime i come from detroit to terre haute, i bring several bags worth of food
03 16:14:00 auchter which mostly solves the problem. however, it doesn't solve the problem of the complete inavailability of fresh fish in terre haute
03 16:36:00 tommost I'm going to set up the robotics team's server with Samba, unless someone objects.
03 16:36:00 tommost I think that it would be helpful for Windows users. ;)
03 16:37:00 auchter can we get NFS too?
03 16:38:00 tommost Isn't NFS insecure? Or at least unencrypted?
03 16:38:00 andy753421 yes, NFS is unencrypted
03 16:38:00 tommost I'm partially interested in Samba because it has some tools for administering LDAP and I haven't found anything similar for straight-up Linux user administration.
03 16:39:00 andy753421 administering ldap though samba seems rather scary
03 16:39:00 auchter well, i agree that we need samba
03 16:39:00 andy753421 u9fs!
03 16:39:00 andy753421 or we could just use sshfs..
03 16:40:00 auchter isn't smb insecure too?
03 16:40:00 tommost Windows users can't do that easily.
03 16:40:00 auchter i heard u9fs sucks.
03 16:40:00 tommost I thought that it was encrypted?
03 16:40:00 andy753421 smb might be encrypted, I don't know
03 16:40:00 tommost Or at least authentication is.
03 16:41:00 andy753421 yea, i don't really care if the data is unencrypted
03 16:41:00 auchter i think authentication *can* be
03 16:41:00 tommost And it wouldn't be directly through samba; it would be through smbldap tools.
03 16:41:00 auchter i also think that rose doesn't support encrypted authentication on their servers (as a side note)
03 16:41:00 tommost Yeah, data encryption doesn't really matter.
03 16:42:00 tommost auchter: Really‽
03 16:42:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/net_fs/afs/accessing/alternate_access_methods/
03 16:42:00 auchter in particular, the bottom of the page
03 16:42:00 auchter oh, well, they discontinued it
03 16:44:00 tommost Yeah, and it was probably just using the password directly to mount it or something. I'm quite sure that that isn't the norm for Samba.
03 16:45:00 auchter so... nfs? :)
03 16:45:00 andy753421 I don't particularly care all that much
03 16:45:00 tommost I don't know how to set up NFS>
03 16:46:00 auchter eh, forget it then, i'll just use sshfs
03 16:46:00 tommost Okay.
03 16:47:00 andy753421 yea, i don't think i'll be using it that much anyway, we mostly just use SVN
03 16:48:00 auchter indeed
03 16:48:00 auchter or we can be crazy and use something like GFS and AoE
03 16:48:00 tommost Yeah. I was mainly thinking about how to distribute all the photos I took at the competition.
03 16:48:00 tommost auchter: What are those?
03 16:48:00 andy753421 AFS AFS!
03 16:51:00 auchter i need to give using git or mercurial a try speaking of svn
03 16:53:00 tommost Yes, me too.
03 17:04:00 auchter hah, this dvd i'm watching just mentioned "30 engineers from Bell Labs"
03 17:55:00 tommost From dpkg-reconfigure samba: To be compatible with the defaults in most versions of Windows, Samba must be configured to use encrypted passwords.
03 17:55:00 tommost This requires user passwords to be stored in a file separate from /etc/passwd.
03 17:55:00 tommost This file can be created automatically, but the passwords must be added manually by running smbpasswd and be kept up-to-date in the future.
03 17:55:00 tommost So apparently IAIT was just lazy.
03 18:03:00 Morasique er. i thought windows passwords had to be unencrypted
03 18:34:00 andy753421 yay, drawterms working, i can now use the mouse ;)
03 18:36:00 auchter haha
03 19:21:00 tommost povilusr-laptop: I NEED ETHERNET CABLES!!!
03 19:28:00 Mishtal ditto
03 19:29:00 TheBrickWahl andy753421a: I have some questions about mounting the camera on the robot
03 19:31:00 TheBrickWahl andy753421: specifically, how high and should it be over the middle or toward the front?
03 19:31:00 andy753421 it should be in the front, higher is bette
03 19:31:00 andy753421 *better
03 19:35:00 Morasique how are you people always out of ethernet cables? you know they're reusable, right?
03 19:35:00 tommost Morasique: I don't have one long enough.
03 19:36:00 tommost I also have 4 Sun Rays.
03 19:36:00 Mishtal i own one 15 foot ethernet cable, and 2 5 foot ethernet cables... i require several cables longer than 10 feet
03 19:36:00 Morasique do sun rays eat cables?
03 19:37:00 tommost Yes. I've lost three already.
03 19:37:00 auchter those things are evil spawn
03 19:38:00 tommost There isn't an Ethernet jack in my living room so I need a long one for my media server.
03 19:44:00 TheBrickWahl andy753421: I've been looking through old design reports from other teams and it seems like most have the cameras around 3 ft or lower; the highest I saw was around 5 ft
03 19:44:00 TheBrickWahl do you want it to be as high as 5 ft?
03 19:45:00 tommost I think that we do.
03 19:46:00 tommost Most teams when we were there definitely had them higher than three feet.
03 19:47:00 TheBrickWahl these were the 2007 reports so teams probably decided to make them higher this year
03 19:48:00 tommost Guess so.
03 19:48:00 tommost Most of them had them up on booms.
03 19:53:00 andy753421 if we can have the camera higher than the cross bars on the barriers it would be good
03 19:54:00 TheBrickWahl about how high are those?
03 19:56:00 andy753421 i dont remember for sure, it might be listed on the website
03 22:16:00 Morasique you can't enroll in a group on angel from the group's page
03 22:16:00 Morasique you have to search for it
03 22:16:00 Morasique i hate angel learning. with a passion
03 22:20:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/software/documentation/applications/afs_for_laptops/
03 22:21:00 tommost "AFS for Laptops is a set of three programs that provide network drive access."
03 22:21:00 tommost They list two.
03 22:24:00 Morasique leash is the other i think, they just don't have the licensing info there
03 22:25:00 tommost shrugs
03 22:25:00 tommost It was good for a support ticket.
03 22:28:00 Morasique you filed a support ticket for that? they must hate you
03 22:29:00 tommost Usually they thank me when I file tickets on their web site, actually.
03 22:30:00 Morasique well, deep down they hate you
03 22:31:00 tommost Well, they probably hate me for filing two separate tickets for a broken default encoding on www.rose-hulman.edu and rhventures.org :D
03 23:14:00 tommost LDAP works! Now for PAM.
03 23:18:00 Morasique http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/0/b/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_2_by_willwill100.png
03 23:18:00 Morasique it has mac menus, the mac taskbar and the vista sidebar. i'm scared
03 23:18:00 tommost Don't be. You run awesome!
03 23:19:00 Morasique well, i'm scared for ubuntu anyway :)
03 23:19:00 auchter i looked at that link and thought "what the hell would be named `intrepid ibex'?"
03 23:19:00 auchter then i clicked the link, and all became clear
03 23:19:00 Morasique you're never heard the new codename?
03 23:19:00 andy753421 mac menu's? isn't that how gnome has always looked?
03 23:19:00 tommost Yeah.
03 23:20:00 tommost The change is the Mac bottom panel thing.
03 23:20:00 Morasique no, the menus definitely look different
03 23:20:00 auchter that hard drive icon is what strikes me as most mach0ish
03 23:20:00 Morasique http://linux.dsplabs.com.au/files/p79-ubuntu/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-beta-screenshots-menu-brasero-disc-burning-small.png
03 23:20:00 andy753421 i though mac menus were characterized by changing depending on the application
03 23:20:00 tommost Yeah.
03 23:20:00 Morasique yeah, i meant the style, the curved menu
03 23:20:00 tommost Those are just the same gnome menus with rounded corners.
03 23:20:00 Morasique which i think is mac-ish, but i'm not positive
03 23:20:00 andy753421 yea, i don't think the GTK theme maters, there's plenty of curvy gtk+ themes
03 23:20:00 Morasique tommost: and a bgcolor, although that's not mac
03 23:21:00 tommost I rather like the look of the menus. I don't like the OSX panel thing.
03 23:21:00 Morasique well yeah, and i'm sure the sidebar is optional, i know the thing at the bottom is, i think it's called awn, but it concerns me that the default ubuntu desktop is a cross of mac and vista
03 23:21:00 tommost It seems as useless as a Windows taskbar, but more confused.
03 23:22:00 andy753421 is that the default? or is that just some random bloggers idea of what he thinks should be the default?
03 23:22:00 Morasique it's not really a taskbar, it's a shortcut bar, it's identical to the mac one really
03 23:22:00 Morasique it's a mockup of what it might look like, there isn't an ibex design yet
03 23:22:00 tommost I thought that it put running probrams there?
03 23:22:00 auchter ubuntu will probably function as well as a cross between mac and vista
03 23:22:00 Morasique tommost: mac does both
03 23:22:00 tommost Yeah, that's what I thought.
03 23:23:00 tommost That's what I meant by "more confused".
03 23:26:00 Morasique well, i don't think this one shows running tasks, at least awn doesn't, it's just a shortcut bar
03 23:27:00 tommost Well, +1 on not showing running tasks.
03 23:27:00 tommost -1 letting people minimize stuff.
03 23:27:00 Morasique where did minimizing stuff come from?
03 23:28:00 Morasique minimizing can be useful, although i've just replaced it with throwing windows onto random unused tags
03 23:28:00 tommost Two things I think are stupid: taskbars ad minimizing stuff.
03 23:28:00 tommost s/ad/and/
03 23:29:00 tommost If you're not going to show running tasks you should remove minimization, since most people are going to be unable to re-find windows once they minimize them.
03 23:29:00 Morasique i can't live without taskbars, if only to see demands attention notices
03 23:29:00 tommost Not so great for usability.
03 23:29:00 auchter the last thing my computer should be doing is demanding my attention
03 23:29:00 tommost The only thing that I have that demands attention is Pidgin, and that's what stalonetray is for.
03 23:30:00 tommost I would remove the task list from awesome if I weren't too lazy to.
03 23:31:00 Morasique :D it would involve commenting out the tasklist {} section, it would take like 5 seconds
03 23:32:00 tommost No, it would involve replacing it with something useful, like a clock. Every time I have tried that in the past it hasn't worked.
03 23:32:00 Morasique oh, it's on the top bar by default isn't it
03 23:32:00 Morasique i forgot about that, i moved it to the bottom bar
03 23:32:00 tommost Yeah, I don't really care as long as it doesn't take any extra space.
03 23:32:00 Morasique you could put fun things there though
03 23:33:00 Morasique like a clock
03 23:33:00 tommost I would like a clock.
03 23:33:00 Morasique http://lug.phire.org/wiki/User:MoraSique/.awesomerc
03 23:33:00 tommost Yeah, I saw that. I will be implementing a clock as soon as I am done with this PAM stuff.
03 23:34:00 tommost However, I tend to regard awesome as a temporary waypoint between Compiz and Parti.
03 23:34:00 Morasique what's this PAM stuff? i was too lazy to go check the log
03 23:34:00 tommost The Robotics Team's server.
03 23:34:00 tommost LDAP authentication.
03 23:34:00 tommost :(
03 23:35:00 tommost I'm more or less copy and pasting from an online HOWTO and hoping it works.
03 23:36:00 Morasique ah. is that hard? i thought the lab machines were set up to do that
03 23:36:00 tommost I had to set up the LDAP server.
03 23:36:00 tommost That is a *pain*.
03 23:36:00 tommost Also, samba.
03 23:36:00 Morasique oh, i thought you were authenticating with rose's server
03 23:37:00 auchter or we could forget samba and just make everyone use something semi-sane
03 23:37:00 auchter samba is a hack, and a poor one at that
03 23:37:00 tommost What are you suggesting? AFS?
03 23:38:00 auchter semi-sane? probably just use sftp and whatever interface they like
03 23:38:00 Morasique if you have windows users you probably want samba
03 23:38:00 Morasique if not, sshfs is quite good
03 23:38:00 tommost Yes, we have Windows users.
03 23:39:00 tommost Well, PAM works.
03 23:39:00 auchter they can use sftp just fine
03 23:43:00 auchter i think those ubuntu screen shots made me bitter... a few hours ago i was advocating samba.
03 23:44:00 Morasique glad i could help
03 23:44:00 tommost Yes. I'm getting very mixed messages.
03 23:44:00 tommost I've decided to not solicit input any more.
03 23:44:00 Morasique i'm not sure where the anti-samba comes from, samba is really simple to setup and works perfectly
03 23:44:00 tommost If I get it into my head to install X on this server, I'll do it without asking.
03 23:45:00 tommost Yeah, samba isn't the scary part at all.
03 23:46:00 auchter samba's easy to setup, but it's stupid
04 00:40:00 andy753421 gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --send-keys $(gpg --list-keys --list-options show-uid-validity | sed -n '/^pub/N; s!^pub.*/\([[:xdigit:]]*\).*\[ full \].*!\1!p')
04 00:44:00 Morasique uploading keys you trust fully?
04 00:45:00 andy753421 yup, you should all do that
04 00:45:00 andy753421 after signing mine of course ;)
04 12:57:00 andy753421 does anyone know how to create a direct ssh tunnel between two hosts that are both subnetted?
04 16:26:00 auchter apparently i pressed the wrong key combination in screen, as it said this: "Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! - You die..." and then killed everything.
04 16:52:00 octavious auchter: sounds like a nethack reference
04 16:53:00 octavious which is a sweet game by the way
04 16:53:00 andy753421 speaking of which, i think the lug should run a server
04 16:53:00 andy753421 i'll have to set that up when I get home
04 16:54:00 octavious ha. yeah, that would be sweet.
04 16:56:00 Morasique if screen is compiled with the NETHACK flag you can have it use entirely nethack-related messages
04 16:57:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, i just discovered that
04 16:57:00 auchter and i've never played nethack, but i can't imagine that starting to play it would be a good thing...
04 17:04:00 octavious nethack is a great game. and not just because it uses vim-like keybindings
04 17:43:00 tommost Wheee netsplits.
04 17:44:00 andy753421 you should probably avoid kubrick
04 17:45:00 tommost What would you recommend?
04 17:46:00 andy753421 oh wait, maybe not, i don't know
04 17:48:00 Morasique andy753421: i think kubrick is what you're on, when i see netsplits it shows the other group as "irc.freenode.net"
04 17:48:00 andy753421 yea, i thought about it a bit more and realized that that's probably right
04 18:53:00 octavious you guys ever do any project euler problems?
04 18:53:00 auchter i did a couple last year
04 18:57:00 auchter some of the problems are pretty cool and remind me of stuff we did in cryptography
04 18:57:00 octavious sum of primes below 2 million...
04 18:57:00 auchter yeah, that's easy though
04 18:58:00 auchter at least if you don't want it to be fast...
04 18:58:00 octavious yeah, i am jut getting started. i should generate a bunch of primes an save them somewhere
04 19:05:00 auchter % { primes 1 2000000 | sed 's/$/+/'; echo p } | dc >[2]/dev/null
04 19:05:00 auchter 142913828922
04 19:06:00 octavious heh, i should find this magical primes program
04 19:06:00 auchter it comes with plan9port ;)
04 19:07:00 auchter but implementing the sieve of erosthatones (yeah, i botched that) is fun anyway
04 21:44:00 tommost Would anyone happen to have a recommendation for an HD tuner?
04 23:08:00 tommost Well, I've just rearranged all of my network stuff so that I can connect the server in my living room.
04 23:08:00 tommost povilusr-lapto1: ETHERNET CABLES!!!
04 23:08:00 tommost I don't like daisy-chaining switches.
04 23:13:00 Morasique tommost: there are other suppliers of ethernet cables. just hang around dodgy streetcorners looking for guys in trenchcoats
04 23:13:00 tommost povilusr-lapto1 is dodgy enough for me, thank you.
04 23:13:00 Morasique yeah, but you've been demanding cables from him all summer, so either you're going through them really fast or he's ignoring you
04 23:13:00 Morasique i assumed it was the latter
04 23:14:00 tommost More like he's so focused on Eve that me giving him *real* money never enters his mind.
04 23:16:00 auchter go knock on his door
04 23:16:00 Morasique just break in and take it
04 23:16:00 auchter indeed, look in the log around october-november for his address ;)
04 23:19:00 tommost Meh, I'm too busy trying to convince an Ubuntu live CD to run the binary Nvidia drivers.
04 23:22:00 Morasique all 2 KDE programs i have are refusing to run. i think it's a sign
04 23:22:00 Morasique tommost: don't you have an ATI machine?
04 23:23:00 tommost This is my media box.
04 23:23:00 Morasique ah
04 23:23:00 tommost Sadly, it lacks a hard drive at the moment.
04 23:23:00 tommost I want to check whether it's crashy before I do anything so serious with it.
04 23:28:00 tommost Strangely, this machine is refusing to SSH anywhere.
04 23:34:00 Morasique refusing?
04 23:51:00 andy753421 does anyone know of any decent distribution designed for subnotebooks?
04 23:52:00 andy753421 all the ones i've heard about are dumbed down to the point of being annoying and useless
05 00:01:00 auchter what do you mean by "designed for?"
05 00:02:00 andy753421 basically something that works well with a small keyboard and screen
05 00:02:00 auchter wouldn't that be more dependent on the window manager than anything?
05 00:03:00 andy753421 mostly but other things like fonts, icons, etc would matter as well
05 00:03:00 andy753421 this isn't for me, as I would use wmii anyway
05 00:07:00 andy753421 i guess it'd also have to have things like good auto configuration for wireless cards and such
05 00:45:00 andy753421 also, someone should write a book on linux desktops for people who don't want to do coding but still want to do more than just surf the web
05 01:13:00 Morasique there are things besides coding and surfing the web?
05 01:14:00 Morasique i suppose there's irc. that must be what you meant
05 01:40:00 Morasique why do websites ask what country i'm in? how come ads can pinpoint what city i'm in but then professional websites can't figure out what country i'm in without asking
05 01:41:00 andy753421 i can see a default being nice..
05 07:44:00 auchter ah, comments in SGML: seven characters and they don't nest.
05 07:51:00 andy753421 yea, but you can have multi-comment comments :P
05 07:59:00 auchter i fear that i don't want to know more...
05 08:01:00 andy753421 haha, I don't remember exactly (tom probably does) but I think <! > denotes a comment block
05 08:01:00 andy753421 and `-- foo --' denotes a comment
05 08:01:00 andy753421 <! -- so you can have multiple comments --
05 08:01:00 andy753421 -- inside.. --
05 08:01:00 andy753421 -- one comment block! -- >
05 08:55:00 auchter wow, it's worse than i had imagined: http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/SGMLComments.html
05 09:10:00 Morasique wow. that's ridiculous
05 09:51:00 octavious http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/SGMLComments.html
05 09:51:00 octavious heh. stupid putty
05 10:39:00 Morasique buries as dup
05 10:42:00 Morasique "Dan Noland [10:38 AM]: Damnit. Why are all my problems traceable to someone in the MSVS team making a bad decision."
05 10:42:00 Morasique it's comforting that my coworkers hate microsoft too
05 10:51:00 auchter why are all of my problems traceable to java obviously not doing what it's told?
05 10:52:00 Morasique maybe you should stop using java
05 10:53:00 auchter i wish i could, i don't really have a choice
05 10:54:00 auchter i'm looking at a trace with wireshark, it's obvious that java's ignoring the first 6 bytes of data i send it.
05 10:54:00 auchter oh, even cooler, it thinks it's still receiving data after i stop sending it. awesome, java.
05 11:04:00 octavious my project has dependencies on multiple stacks of alpha software and hardware...makes things very frustrating..
05 13:00:00 Morasique you can drag tabs between different firefox windows. that's excellent
05 13:00:00 Morasique i was just going to say you should be able to do that and i realized i'd never actually tried
05 13:36:00 andy753421 the GTK tab grading operations are actually really nice, I wish firefox would use those instead of writing their own
05 13:39:00 auchter there is no GTK, there is only XUL
05 20:29:00 Morasique :D i think my new hobby is finding absurd "citation needed"s on wikipedia
05 20:29:00 Morasique "The melting point of cocoa butter is high enough to keep white chocolate solid at room temperature, yet low enough to allow white chocolate to melt in the mouth[citation needed]"
05 20:29:00 Morasique ...*eat it*
05 20:29:00 auchter no, white chocolate is a disgrace
05 20:29:00 Morasique well, you can eat it once for citation purposes
05 20:30:00 auchter no original research
05 20:30:00 Morasique or trick tommost into eating it
05 20:30:00 Morasique ah yes, i do love that rule
05 20:34:00 andy753421 I'm still waiting for the "You can improve this article by suggesting ways to improve this article."
05 20:38:00 auchter isn't that essentially what "citation needed" is?
05 21:03:00 Morasique i just reset my twitter password 3 times in about 5 minutes; that probably looks suspicious
05 21:03:00 Morasique turns out i forgot my username
05 21:05:00 Morasique in the 266mb of random programming books i have, i have 0 mac books. i'm rather proud of myself
05 21:12:00 auchter i really don't have much in the way of programming books. i've got the camel book, k&r, and taocp. that pretty much covers it for me
05 21:13:00 auchter oh, scip too, but i haven't actually read much of it yet
05 21:14:00 Morasique i have a bunch downloaded from waste, i really have no idea what's in there
05 21:15:00 Morasique what's the word on virtualizing mac os? does that work? i've never known anyone to, because i would probably not talk to them anymore if they did
05 21:16:00 auchter speaking of books, whoever interacts with freshman before classes start, tell them to buy my books off the SGA exchange
05 21:18:00 Morasique well, i charge a 20% commission
05 21:20:00 Morasique wow, phpbb? i'm sure they keep that up to date
05 21:20:00 auchter heh, just as long as they're gone
05 21:21:00 Morasique your post says they're only for sale until 2008-05-19
05 21:23:00 auchter that's when i left terre haute for the summer, but they'll be available 2008-09-03
05 21:24:00 auchter as a side note, my laptop randomly shut off a minute ago; i suspect this might have had something to do with me resting my hand on the power button...
05 21:25:00 Morasique power buttons do do that
05 21:26:00 Morasique and i was saying you should probably update the post
05 21:28:00 auchter well, seeing as how my computer just shut off again, i'm guessing it actually wasn't the power button
05 21:28:00 auchter in fact, my power cord is just about broken...
05 21:29:00 Morasique does your battery have a thing to check the charge?
05 21:29:00 auchter my battery no longer exists
05 21:29:00 Morasique hmm. you should look into that
05 21:29:00 auchter oh, it's been dead for a year
05 21:29:00 Morasique awesome
05 21:30:00 Morasique my 40m charge feels pretty good right now
05 21:30:00 auchter mine died three months out of warranty
05 21:30:00 Morasique way to fail
05 21:30:00 auchter curses the battery manufacturer conspiracy (aka, chemistry)
05 21:41:00 Morasique is there a way to control the wifi/bluetooth leds? i thought i read somewhere that there was, but i can't find it now
05 22:07:00 jboticsource i am at NI Week right now. I am working on getting us a LIDAR donated
05 22:11:00 Morasique cool. i figured out how to change the lcd brightness from the command line. i think i'm going to have it fade in and out over and over until my screen breaks, which probably won't take very long
05 22:23:00 auchter sounds like a good wiki page: "Making the most of your warranty."
05 22:27:00 Morasique I prefer "How to make IAIT sad", but I'll just make it a redirect
05 23:56:00 Morasique somehow i managed to completely break my touchpad
06 09:02:00 auchter gah, why did java have to be different from C and use `null' instead of `NULL'?
06 09:09:00 Morasique auchter: because it's a keyword, and keywords are lowercase. C doesn't actually have null, it's just #defined
06 09:10:00 Morasique it continues to annoy me that python uses True and False; they should be true and false
06 09:12:00 auchter yes, but those are just conventions
06 09:16:00 auchter and actually, i usually use True and False: typedef enum { False = 0, True } Bool;
06 09:16:00 auchter though i might have to stop that now that i know python uses the same capitalization...
06 10:29:00 Morasique i wonder if iait is aware that banner's search box has never worked
06 12:28:00 Morasique nice: http://www.cs.rose-hulman.edu/
06 12:30:00 andy753421 don't worry they're switching to joomla, it works much better... http://joomla.cs.rose-hulman.edu/
06 12:31:00 Morasique :'(
06 12:31:00 Morasique where's the thing you presented at the one lug meeting?
06 12:31:00 Morasique i can't remember what it was called
06 12:31:00 andy753421 plone, yea that's down at the moment until i get back to school
06 12:32:00 Morasique ah, ok
06 12:32:00 octavious what about that nethack server, huh? better yet, i should just build nethack on addiator...
06 12:32:00 andy753421 octavious: yea, i think addiator would be the better idea
06 12:33:00 andy753421 does nethack actually do networking?
06 12:34:00 Morasique nethack is like angband from what i recall
06 12:35:00 octavious no. but i think there is an extension that allows for others to watch you play
06 12:35:00 octavious there is a public nethack server that is set up that way..
06 12:35:00 Morasique it's called a shared screen session
06 12:38:00 octavious yeah, but there is also a collective top 10 list, ability to track other users offline games..
06 12:57:00 andy753421 hm.. what's the text based game where you can walk around and shoot arrows at each other?
06 13:12:00 Morasique http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/spreadsheet/sty4_bis.gif
06 13:12:00 Morasique apparently you're screwed if you want more than 3 conditions
06 13:12:00 Morasique and by you, i mean me
06 13:14:00 Morasique odd. apparently the actual mechanism supports infinite conditions, but whoever wrote the gui was lazy or something, people have written macros to let you add more
06 14:09:00 auchter Morasique: i'm in powerpoint right now, so i have no pity for your openoffice woes
06 14:10:00 auchter this program sucks, i apparently got it into a state where it believes a layout is applied to this slide, but it isn't, and it fails at changing it.
06 14:10:00 auchter i now remember why i use latex for my presentations...
06 14:15:00 Morasique i rather like powerpoint, impress is probably my least liked openoffice program, it's a pain
06 14:16:00 andy753421 i use impress if i'm low on time, but latex if I wan't it to look decent
06 14:25:00 Morasique what does latex generate? just pdfs?
06 14:25:00 andy753421 yep
06 14:26:00 Morasique i should look into learning that i suppose
06 14:26:00 andy753421 it's PDFs are actually a lot nicer to use than word, all the things are hyperlinked, by default, etc
06 14:26:00 andy753421 s/word/powerpoint/
06 14:27:00 andy753421 i'm not sure, but I think it can use pdf transitions and such as well (if you wan't to be evil that is..)
06 14:51:00 auchter i'd guess it depends on what package you use for the presentations
06 14:51:00 auchter i use beamer, which works well (links, etc.)
06 14:52:00 auchter powerpoint's too distracting: text moving all over the place, changing sizes, etc.
06 15:23:00 Morasique when you reassign a bug in bugzilla it auto-fills the new assignee text field with the current assignee. there couldn't be a less helpful choice
06 15:27:00 auchter hey, something that i hate even more than powerpoint: dia
06 15:28:00 Morasique glares at Blazeix
06 16:56:00 Morasique :D i'm searching for an openssl error i'm getting, and i found a post where a guy is trying to use a 2048-bit key but openssl is reporting that it's 256 bytes
06 16:58:00 auchter haha
06 16:58:00 auchter openssl is cool, but a bit weird at times...
06 16:59:00 auchter (that wasn't related to your comment)
06 17:00:00 Morasique i'm reading an openssl guide on scribd. yay scribd!
06 17:01:00 auchter openssl's man pages leave much to be desired, particularly when half the functions aren't even covered...
06 17:01:00 Morasique i like that they make you sign up to download a pdf, it shows that they're well aware of what their customers want. it's like how itunes will sell drm-free music but it costs more
06 17:01:00 Morasique openssl has a bunch of man pages depending on what you're doing, but they are pretty bad
06 17:02:00 auchter i was looking for one on its DER functions and came up empty
06 20:34:00 auchter so yesterday i ran `make menuconfig' and then quit a while later... it's still running and using 100% of one core
06 21:03:00 Morasique er. kill it?
06 21:03:00 Morasique it's very intolerant of resizing the window it's in, which is unfortunate in a tiling window manager
06 21:05:00 andy753421 why does rsync suck so much at putting things in the correct directory?
06 21:12:00 Morasique er. it does?
06 21:13:00 andy753421 `rsync -a foo bar' and `rsync -a foo/ bar' are different
06 21:20:00 auchter i like that feature ;)
06 21:23:00 andy753421 i guess it's also strange that 'cp -R start end; cp -R start end' will make two copies of everything in start/
06 21:26:00 auchter ok, now that's just weird
06 21:26:00 auchter i had never known that
06 21:26:00 andy753421 oh, i've got to try something now
06 21:27:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, i guess that explains why my laptop's fan was the first thing i noticed when i came home today...
06 21:28:00 andy753421 oh boo, i was hoping plan 9 would let me copy directories with cat
06 21:29:00 auchter complain to 9fans
06 21:29:00 auchter you've also got to love the lack of `cp -R' onder plan 9... i wonder if there was a paper, `cp -R: considered harmful'
06 21:30:00 andy753421 theirs cptree or something or another isn't there?
06 21:30:00 auchter dircp
06 21:35:00 Morasique er. why would there be separate commands?
06 21:37:00 andy753421 because it's not gnu?
06 21:37:00 auchter http://gaul.org/files/cat_-v_considered_harmful.html
06 21:41:00 andy753421 plan9: cp = 177 lines, GNU: cp.c, cp-hash.c, cp-has.h = 1313 lines
06 21:41:00 andy753421 which would you rather modify ;)
06 21:43:00 auchter and why pollute cp with more code when you can do this: http://netlib.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/rc/bin/dircp
06 21:44:00 andy753421 turns out even on GNU tar is faster than cp -R
06 21:47:00 Morasique i didn't even know cat could do all that stuff
06 21:47:00 Morasique that makes nl rather useless
06 21:49:00 andy753421 points Morasique towards perl
06 21:49:00 andy753421 that makes unix rather useless
06 21:51:00 auchter hah, you sound like rob pike
06 21:51:00 auchter he said the exact same thing in a slashdot post
06 23:29:00 Morasique for interested people, the black hat slides on the dns vulnerability are out: http://www.doxpara.com/DMK_BO2K8.ppt
06 23:31:00 auchter ppt? for shame
06 23:31:00 Morasique :) sorry
06 23:33:00 auchter we should set up a bot that takes in all of the all.campus spam, converts the attachments to something sane, then sends it out to all.campus
06 23:33:00 Morasique that'd be interesting, actually
06 23:33:00 Morasique pass word documents through antiword, that sort of thing
06 23:34:00 auchter do normal users still have the ability to send to all.campus? or did my class end that?
06 23:34:00 Morasique they never did, but i think you could just send to all the users in the group individually
06 23:35:00 auchter i seem to recall a ton of emails being sent to all.somethingorother the first week we got our laptops
06 23:35:00 Morasique maybe your class? i'm not sure if we can e-mail to that
06 23:35:00 Morasique i know dorms can e-mail dorm-wide, so classes might be able to do the same
06 23:35:00 auchter possibly
06 23:36:00 auchter it was bad... it's like a bunch of people were using email for the first time
06 23:36:00 Morasique there was a minor problem last year 'cause i lived in bsb, some guy kept e-mailing out about some club he was starting
06 23:37:00 Morasique my room was fairly unkind to him
06 23:37:00 auchter the most memorable thread was someone asking for a ride to church. 50 replies-to-all later saying "no, sorry, i hope someone else can help you!" and i was ready to throw my laptop out the window
06 23:37:00 Morasique :D
06 23:37:00 Morasique i ended up filtering out the stupid club e-mails after a while
06 23:37:00 auchter probably a good choice, i should do that
06 23:37:00 Morasique we pressed him for details for a day or two asking increasingly ridiculous questions, then i tired of it
06 23:37:00 auchter haha
06 23:38:00 auchter i just had an excellent idea
06 23:39:00 Morasique doubtful
06 23:39:00 auchter we should start a plan 9 users group
06 23:39:00 Morasique as i thought
06 23:39:00 auchter no, if everyone from LUG attends, but we keep them somehow distinct...
06 23:39:00 auchter 2x money from SGA
06 23:39:00 Morasique enticing. although i'd be associating with the P9UG
06 23:39:00 Morasique we'd be the first club with a number in the acronym i suspect
06 23:40:00 auchter we could do inferno too
06 23:40:00 auchter then we could be like TIP9UG, but RIP9UG
06 23:40:00 Morasique they might start to catch on after a while :). ubuntu users group, arch users group, gentoo users group
06 23:40:00 auchter feh, no one likes arch
06 23:40:00 Morasique glares at Blazeix again
06 23:41:00 auchter we should give it a try to see how far we can get...
06 23:41:00 Morasique you'd have to find a faculty sponsor; mellor might frown on it
06 23:41:00 Morasique the p9 group isn't a bad idea
06 23:43:00 auchter archana seemed mildly interested in plan 9 earlier this year, though i suspect this may have just been to get me to go away
06 23:43:00 Morasique i frequently feign interest in your schemes for the same reason
06 23:44:00 auchter thanks for the encouragement
06 23:44:00 Morasique that's mainly why i'm here
06 23:44:00 Morasique positive reinforcement
06 23:44:00 andy753421 make sure the LUG gets a server from SGA before you go and piss them off
06 23:44:00 Morasique there's enough of us to have two or three distinct sets of people going to SGA with clubs
06 23:44:00 auchter they'll never see the connection
06 23:45:00 Morasique do they have our membership list?
06 23:45:00 auchter and i'll probably forget about this by tomorrow anyway
06 23:45:00 Morasique that's what luglog is for
06 23:45:00 auchter i can't grep luglog
06 23:45:00 auchter glares at andy753421
06 23:45:00 Morasique wget
06 23:45:00 auchter that's stupid
06 23:46:00 Morasique curl
06 23:46:00 auchter ever try to tail -f curl?
06 23:46:00 auchter doesn't work particularly well
06 23:46:00 Morasique probably not. tail -f luglog is equivalent to opening an irc client, you have that covered
06 23:47:00 auchter no, i can actually write to the channel with an irc client
06 23:47:00 auchter i think we can all agree that this channel would be better if that weren't the case
06 23:48:00 Morasique intriguing
06 23:48:00 Morasique question on this dns vulnerability: what's to stop you from sending a dns request to your isp, and then immediately responding with the forged response and poisoning your isp's cache
06 23:49:00 auchter question on GNU: why does tail have a --pid option?
06 23:49:00 andy753421 you don't know the port the server is wanting the response on
06 23:50:00 andy753421 apparently, so you can terminate when a process dies :P
06 23:50:00 auchter i see. well, export PATH=$PLAN9/bin:$PATH fixes all of my problems.
06 23:51:00 Morasique that tail feature is actually kind of neat. and i thought you set the port in your request
06 23:52:00 Morasique oh, i see, i was confused about who defined the txid and port
07 00:02:00 Morasique oh, no, they do talk about it later, i'm not insane
07 00:07:00 Blazeix auchter: I did get Zeta to switch from Ubuntu to Arch Linux. So there is at least two of us now.
07 00:08:00 Blazeix First Zeta, then the world.
07 00:11:00 Blazeix what the hell am I still doing awake?
07 00:13:00 auchter that's the same question i ask myself half of the day
07 00:21:00 auchter someone sadistic should write a 9p interface to x11
07 00:21:00 auchter then, write a window manager in rc
07 00:22:00 andy753421 wmii has a 9p interface
07 00:22:00 auchter i know, i'm using it ;)
07 00:22:00 auchter but that's hardly evil enough
07 00:22:00 andy753421 haha alrigh
07 00:22:00 andy753421 *t
07 00:23:00 auchter hah, apparently suckless.org improved itself: they removed the vowels in their title
07 00:31:00 tommost I look forward to the coming school year, when a whole new crop of Ubuntu users will be born.
07 00:31:00 tommost Apparently the end of the year will be a time of sadness, however, as half of them will no longer be using Ubuntu. :'(
07 00:34:00 Morasique i wonder how many people actually stick with linux. we should do follow-up studies
07 00:34:00 andy753421 hmm.. we could hack the boot record when the install so that if they ever try to install it will 'magically' reappear after a few days ;)
07 00:35:00 andy753421 *uninstall it it will
07 00:35:00 auchter i suspect the incessant cube-spinning does wear off after a while
07 00:35:00 tommost Yes. I am curious how much of a difference being in college makes, since there are lots of people to ask when you run into trouble.
07 00:35:00 Morasique auchter: what? never
07 00:35:00 tommost auchter: NEVER!!!
07 00:36:00 auchter Morasique: aren't you using awesome
07 00:36:00 tommost In fact, I am running Compiz right now.
07 00:36:00 auchter tommost: aren't you using awesome
07 00:36:00 auchter gah,
07 00:36:00 tommost Too late.
07 00:36:00 Morasique yes. but sometimes i miss staring at the spinning cube
07 00:36:00 Morasique what will i do in class? i'll have to listen to steve talk
07 00:36:00 auchter you should submit a patch for awesome
07 00:36:00 Morasique yes. yes i should
07 00:36:00 auchter then i can laugh at it even more
07 00:36:00 tommost Awesome needs compositing. Obviously.
07 00:37:00 auchter s/Awesome/nothing/
07 00:37:00 Morasique priority: blocker. steps to reproduce: try to spin the cube. expected result: cube spins in a pleasing manner. actual result: nothing happens
07 00:38:00 andy753421 $ ico -sleep 0.05 -obj cube
07 00:38:00 Morasique ironically, i stopped using the cube a few months before i switched to awesome anyway
07 00:38:00 tommost Yeah, I've never used it.
07 00:38:00 Morasique "the cube" should really be the name of a drug, and using it should be called "spinning the cube". that would make this conversation much more entertaining
07 00:39:00 auchter Morasique: time to befriend a ChemE
07 00:39:00 Morasique andy753421: oooooooooo
07 00:39:00 auchter i'm reasonably sure that's the reason for most of them choosing their major
07 00:40:00 Morasique ico is a fine substitute for compiz in class, this can keep me entertained for a period
07 00:40:00 auchter Morasique: you need to just quote steve repeatedly
07 00:40:00 auchter i laugh quite hard at what he says sometime
07 00:41:00 auchter i suspect because my reading it is completely voluntary
07 00:41:00 Morasique there's an episode of the office where they're watching a dvd player's screensaver waiting for the logo to bounce directly off a corner; i'll do that with ico
07 00:41:00 Morasique he does say ridiculous things
07 00:41:00 Morasique i only have him for senior project this year though, which doesn't meet often
07 00:41:00 Morasique and i suspect sriram will do most of the talking
07 00:41:00 auchter that just gives him more time to come up with clever things to say
07 00:43:00 Morasique scary thought
07 00:48:00 Morasique oh, you can set irc up so it won't auto-op you. i never knew that
07 17:17:00 tommost Wow. Hasn't anyone said anything all day?
07 17:18:00 auchter no, actually
07 17:20:00 Morasique i blame both of you
07 17:21:00 auchter i wasn't at a computer today
07 20:29:00 auchter i just took a look through my spam folder
07 20:29:00 auchter it really made me hope that all of those emails were generated by a markov program
07 20:30:00 tommost Yeah.
07 20:31:00 tommost I scan my spam folders for false positives regularly and it doesn't take much to identify spam.
07 20:31:00 auchter my favourite one had the subject of: "Worm out at once!"
07 20:37:00 auchter "Do not want to buy unknown in the stores?"
07 20:38:00 tommost Spam in Google Groups has been awful recently, too.
07 20:38:00 auchter "Elton John dies in rocket ship"
07 20:38:00 tommost greasemonkey-users kept getting manga spam.
07 20:38:00 auchter i really need to read my spam more, this is actually rather entertaining
07 20:38:00 auchter ouch
07 20:39:00 tommost Yeah, they had to start moderation of all new posts.
07 20:40:00 tommost I wish that Thunderbird had a less crappy filter system; they would have been really easy to filter since they all came from addresses in the form of {MangaName}{numbers}@gmail.com
07 20:40:00 tommost I guess it's a symptom of Google's broken CAPTCHA.
07 20:41:00 auchter captchas need to move to something less easy for a machine to recognize, and easier for humans than those distorted blobs of letters and numbers
07 20:42:00 tommost Indeed.
07 20:43:00 tommost Trouble is, whatever Google moves to will instantly become the main target.
07 20:44:00 tommost Lots of the really effective, yet [blind] user friendly captchas aren't really strong enough to not be broken.
07 20:44:00 auchter speaking of abusing google, has anyone used gmailfs
07 20:45:00 tommost I was talking to someone who had the other day... Mistal?
07 20:45:00 tommost He said it was really slow.
07 20:49:00 auchter last time i used it it crashed incessantly
07 20:49:00 tommost That's impressive.
07 20:50:00 tommost I don't know how you'd manage that one.
07 20:50:00 auchter well, it *was* python
07 20:50:00 tommost Hey now, the author's new to Python.
07 20:50:00 tommost His code made my eyes hurt.
07 20:52:00 tommost I don't see why you beat on Python so much. It's not like I beat on rc.
07 20:55:00 auchter yeah, i'm not entirely sure why i do either
07 20:56:00 auchter of course, what's not to like about rc?
07 20:56:00 tommost I have no idea; but I do not doubt that it is an improvement over Bash.
07 20:56:00 auchter yeah, i still don't know half of bash's syntax
07 20:57:00 auchter rc is so simple and consistent
07 20:58:00 tommost I was impressed by the succinctness of your cups config generation script.
07 21:10:00 auchter that was rather hackish, and probably would have been better in awk, except i don't know awk
07 21:11:00 auchter but even something like this from the other day: % { primes 1 2000000 | sed 's/$/+/'; echo p } | dc >[2]/dev/null
07 21:11:00 auchter i have no idea how to do that in bash
07 21:12:00 auchter oh wait, now i do after reading the man page
07 21:13:00 auchter why does bash use () for command grouping?
07 21:14:00 auchter blames algol
07 21:14:00 tommost Is that summing primes?
07 21:14:00 auchter yeah, octavious had mentioned one of the project euler problems
07 21:21:00 octavious what abot it
07 21:43:00 Morasique auchter: i have no idea about the (), i just discovered that recently, it really shouldn't be used for grouping
07 21:44:00 auchter octavious: i was just referencing that as a solution to one of the problems you talked about, as i didn't know how to do it in bash
07 21:45:00 auchter Morasique: bash is indeed insane
07 21:48:00 Morasique for the longest time i didn't know how to run multiple commands in the background, like (sleep 10; do_something)&, i think i finally saw it in another script
07 21:48:00 tommost Ooo... that's useful.
07 21:48:00 auchter it's one of the helpful examples in the rc paper
07 21:48:00 auchter i just never knew how to do it in bash
07 22:08:00 Morasique all the bind installation guides i'm finding are for ubuntu. who runs a nameserver on ubuntu?
07 22:09:00 auchter the robotics team will be, unfortunately
07 22:12:00 tommost Speaking of our server, LDAP login in Apache is a pain.
07 22:12:00 tommost My pain.
07 22:12:00 tommost And Jay may have found us a lidar.
07 22:13:00 auchter ooh
07 22:14:00 tommost Yes. So once I get things working we need to fill the wiki with stuff that makes us look good so the Syck guy can see it.
07 22:26:00 Mishtal woot! my license gets stolen... and then my vehicle registration sticker is a week late to be delivered to my apartment via first class mail...
07 22:29:00 auchter hah, you should tear up your proof of insurance and go drive around
07 22:30:00 Mishtal no
07 22:30:00 tommost yes
07 22:30:00 Mishtal and as fate would have it i can no longer find my cellphone, even though i used it less than 10 minutes ago
07 22:31:00 Mishtal would someone mind calling it? i need to step out and dont want to go without it as im expecting a call.....
07 22:31:00 Mishtal nvm someone else is going to
07 22:57:00 tommost Awesome, working LDAP.
07 23:12:00 tommost Behold! http://www.rhitrobotics.org/
07 23:15:00 Morasique doesn't that only work on campus?
07 23:15:00 tommost How would I know?
07 23:16:00 Morasique i figured you would be aware if you run the site
07 23:16:00 Morasique i thought it had been mentioned in here before
07 23:16:00 Morasique i can't get to it, anyway
07 23:16:00 tommost Andy did the domain stuff. It's a bit of a mystery to me.
07 23:16:00 tommost http://137.112.99.22/
07 23:17:00 Morasique that works. i assumed the machine wasn't accessible off-campus, that's odd
07 23:17:00 tommost I think he said something about not getting port 53 off campus or something.
07 23:18:00 Morasique logview should have previous/next month buttons
07 23:18:00 tommost I'll put that on my list of features to add.
07 23:19:00 Morasique ah, yeah, he said something about :53 not working
07 23:34:00 Morasique http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=270121
07 23:34:00 Morasique so many macs
07 23:34:00 Morasique running emacs. not good for my case
07 23:36:00 Morasique http://www.linux.com/feature/143570
07 23:36:00 Morasique apparently gentoo is "back"
07 23:37:00 tommost It was ever "out"?
07 23:37:00 auchter apparently the whole world loves ubuntu
07 23:37:00 tommost The nature of Gentoo would seem to preclude it ever actually getting out of date.
07 23:38:00 auchter i was talking to some people at lexmark today, who told me their entire department runs ubuntu
07 23:38:00 tommost It's gotta be easier to administer than Gentoo.
07 23:38:00 auchter i then proceeded to make fun of debian's openssl issue
07 23:38:00 tommost Of course.
07 23:38:00 Morasique i had no problems with ubuntu, so i can see why people run it
07 23:38:00 auchter that's what i was told, and i wouldn't suggest gentoo
07 23:39:00 Morasique well, i had my typical problems, but that's me. i suspect computers just don't like me
07 23:39:00 Morasique and the hardy heron hell, as i've decided to call it, but i'll blame that on the upgrade process
07 23:40:00 auchter yeah, but i was surprised as it seems like the rest of lexmark likes rhel and freebsd
07 23:40:00 tommost RHEL.
07 23:40:00 tommost /me shudders
07 23:40:00 auchter rhel >> ubuntu
07 23:40:00 auchter at least they have maintainers who know what the hell they're doing...
07 23:40:00 Morasique addiator runs rhel
07 23:40:00 auchter addiator is also running 2.6.9 and administered by IAIT
07 23:40:00 auchter not exactly a good example
07 23:40:00 tommost Oh, yeah, I suppose.
07 23:41:00 tommost It is what I think of when REL comes to mind. That and the old robotics server.
07 23:41:00 Morasique updating? don't be silly
07 23:41:00 Morasique php 4/mysql 3 ftw!
07 23:41:00 auchter that was old and administered by an ME
07 23:41:00 tommost Point taken.
07 23:41:00 Morasique you let an ME touch your machines?
07 23:42:00 tommost He was pretty much the only effective officer.
07 23:42:00 auchter oh yes, and he wrote a ton of code for them...
07 23:42:00 tommost shudders violently
07 23:42:00 tommost Load balancing...
07 23:42:00 Morasique vb macros ftw
07 23:42:00 andy753421 for the record, i don't think the robotics servers ever ran RHEL, they ran gentoo, then fedora, then ubuntu
07 23:42:00 auchter wait, serving a webpage from a samba share is load balancing?
07 23:43:00 andy753421 fedora was only chosen because it was what the CSSE dept was installing
07 23:43:00 Morasique what computer goes from gentoo to fedora to ubuntu? that's backwards
07 23:43:00 tommost Round-robin DNS between the two machines == "load balancing".
07 23:43:00 tommost I thought that fedora == RHEL.
07 23:43:00 andy753421 Morasique: gentoo's not exactly the perfect distro for a production machine
07 23:43:00 auchter i thought having both rhitrobotics.org and rhitrobotics.com was load balancing ;)
07 23:44:00 andy753421 haha, if the load is 'loosing the DNS registrar password'
07 23:44:00 auchter good times...
07 23:44:00 tommost Indeed.
07 23:44:00 tommost andy753421: Any idea how to fix DNS?
07 23:44:00 andy753421 i think we need to blaim IAIT
07 23:45:00 andy753421 actually something i wan't to talk to kevin about...
07 23:45:00 tommost Okay, could you file a ticket?
07 23:45:00 andy753421 see if he had to do anything when he configured it last time
07 23:45:00 auchter oh, speaking of DNS, did you email jp about talking to IAIT for lug.rose-hulman.edu?
07 23:46:00 andy753421 yes and JP e-mailed IAIT and in typocal IAIT fashion they haven't responded
07 23:46:00 auchter excellent
07 23:46:00 auchter i wonder if it will take them more than a year for them to resolve my ticket about public key login on dfs.rose-hulman.edu...
07 23:46:00 auchter it's getting close to that
07 23:59:00 Morasique there's an article on hackaday about california's automated toll booths that determine who you are by an rfid token you have. the tokens just broadcast a specific ID, it doesn't change, so you can just figure out somebody's ID and spoof it. how do these things get invented?
08 00:03:00 tommost auchter, andy753421: Could you try logging into trac?
08 00:04:00 andy753421 tommost: works for me
08 00:04:00 tommost Awesome.
08 00:11:00 andy753421 i just read xkcd and died a little inside
08 00:11:00 Morasique i can't remember the last time i saw a change password page on a website that didn't require the old password, but apparently my credit card provider feels it's ok
08 00:12:00 Morasique andy753421: ?
08 00:13:00 andy753421 the terrible terrible puns
08 00:14:00 auchter the hover text is what made me sigh the most
08 00:15:00 auchter it just occurred to me that i have an irrational hatred of several things; notably ubuntu, compiz, and python
08 00:15:00 tommost I'm putting this episode in the "hit" category.
08 00:16:00 auchter ubuntu probably stems from when i first tried it (4.something?) and it was horribly bloated
08 00:16:00 Morasique auchter: i'd noticed this hatred
08 00:16:00 auchter i suppose the openssl incident just made me rationalize it more, but it's probably still irrational
08 00:17:00 auchter my hatred of compiz, on a second reflection, is not irrational at all
08 00:17:00 auchter i simply cannot understand why people use it
08 00:17:00 auchter they need to admit to themselves that they just have to use what the Mighty Steve hath delivered to them
08 00:17:00 Morasique the plugins are great, you're focusing on people that sit in class for 50 minutes and spin the cube
08 00:17:00 Morasique or whatever you kids are calling it
08 00:17:00 auchter python, i should probably just learn it, though i doubt i'd actually use it that often
08 00:18:00 auchter perl is still what i use when i have to do something quickly, but frankly it's annoying for math stuff
08 00:19:00 Morasique s/math/all/
08 00:20:00 auchter from what, admittedly little, i've seen of python, it can't compare to perl in the text manipulation field
08 00:20:00 andy753421 psh, awk + sed
08 00:20:00 Morasique that's probably true, although that's also probably true of all other languages
08 00:20:00 tommost Yeah.
08 00:21:00 Morasique tommost: thanks for your help :)
08 00:21:00 auchter andy753421: i'm not masochistic enough to program stuff in sed
08 00:21:00 Morasique ....yet
08 00:21:00 auchter i use it daily, but not for anything large
08 00:21:00 andy753421 text manipulation is pretty easy though
08 00:21:00 tommost And Python's a bit verbose when you want to bang something bash-like out really quickly.
08 00:21:00 auchter it's just very elegant in perl... you could treat it like sed, as a matter of fact
08 00:21:00 auchter the syntax is essentially the same
08 00:22:00 andy753421 and if sed fails there's always `vim +"command" +wq *.foo'
08 00:22:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, you can't even validly criticise perl anymore
08 00:22:00 Morasique my happiness level is decreasing with each new suggestion
08 00:23:00 Morasique python -> perl -> vim
08 00:23:00 Morasique sed/awk was out of order, i rank that above perl
08 00:23:00 auchter -> ed
08 00:23:00 andy753421 what, +'g/observes/norm 2dat'.. delete every xml tag containing the string 'observes' ;)
08 00:23:00 andy753421 (and it's parent tag)
08 00:24:00 Morasique somebody should invent a non-programmer-friendly text manipulation tool
08 00:24:00 auchter well, anything to get rid of XML
08 00:24:00 Morasique i die inside when i see non-programmers editing text by hand
08 00:25:00 Morasique does vim have on the fly macros?
08 00:25:00 andy753421 Morasique: please define 'on the fly macros'
08 00:26:00 Morasique macros you can make on the fly
08 00:26:00 andy753421 yes, i can make macros while in an airplane
08 00:26:00 Morasique you hit the "start macro" button, do stuff, hit the "end macro" button, and keep hitting the "do macro" button to keep repeating it
08 00:26:00 andy753421 yep, that's what 'q' is for
08 00:26:00 auchter vim's scripting language is turing complete, so...
08 00:27:00 andy753421 also, you can repeat the last single command with '.'
08 00:27:00 andy753421 so I<insert_text><Esc> to insert on the start of the line, then repeat on any line with '.'
08 00:28:00 Morasique mmk. i use macros in emacs constantly, i think they alone would warrant using it over some normal text editor
08 00:29:00 tommost How do you create a vim keybinding that works in all modes?
08 00:29:00 andy753421 eh, i don't particularly like macros, they take to long to record and replay, 3 keys to record one, and 2 to replay it
08 00:29:00 auchter i use modality constantly, and no editor should be without it
08 00:29:00 tommost Most things are negotiable, but Ctrl-S is not.
08 00:29:00 auchter ctrl-s?
08 00:29:00 auchter that's to freeze your terminal
08 00:29:00 tommost Save.
08 00:29:00 auchter no
08 00:29:00 tommost It's built into my typing style.
08 00:29:00 auchter stop it
08 00:30:00 Morasique tommost: stop speaking emacs nonsense
08 00:30:00 Morasique :)
08 00:30:00 tommost Not really possible.
08 00:30:00 auchter soon you'll start twitching <esc>:wq
08 00:30:00 auchter every time i use an editor besides vim that creeps in...
08 00:30:00 andy753421 tommost: :help map-modes
08 00:30:00 tommost I hit it in FIrefox all the time.
08 00:30:00 Morasique i keep doing it in visual studio and deleting stuff by mistakes
08 00:30:00 Morasique s/s$//
08 00:31:00 tommost I need to make a Greasemonkey script that suppresses it...
08 00:31:00 Morasique tommost: there's a firefox plugin for editing the key bindings
08 00:31:00 auchter ..and here we get to the root problem of firefox
08 00:31:00 tommost Yeah, but I only want to disable it in text areas.
08 00:31:00 andy753421 Morasique: usually when I need to make multiple edits i either use a regex, replay a single command, or use visual block more.. i rarely need something as fancy as macros
08 00:32:00 tommost Plus it's easiest for me to do it in GM.
08 00:32:00 tommost I'm already working on a script to give me Vim scrolling.
08 00:32:00 auchter ah yes, visual blocks rock, especially for C++ style comments
08 00:32:00 Morasique andy753421: ah. running a macro is easier than repeating the last command in emacs for some reason
08 00:32:00 tommost I'm having some difficulty emulating the up/down arrows, though.
08 00:32:00 Morasique running a macro is e, running the last command is C-z, x
08 00:32:00 andy753421 Morasique: how does 'e' not insert 'e'?
08 00:32:00 Morasique er. C-x, z
08 00:33:00 Morasique you have to do C-x, e the first time, then you can keep hitting e to keep rerunning the macro until you hit something else
08 00:33:00 auchter wow, so much for no modality
08 00:33:00 andy753421 oh, ok do you have to record it the first time?
08 00:33:00 Morasique yeah, C-x, ( to start and C-x, ) to end
08 00:33:00 andy753421 also, 10@a to repeat the command stored in the 'a' register 10 times :)
08 00:33:00 Morasique yeah, you can do C-u 10 C-x e
08 00:33:00 Morasique or C-u 0 C-x e to run it infinitely until an error happens
08 00:34:00 auchter my hand just cowered in fear at seeing that.
08 00:34:00 tommost is lost and therefore headed to bed
08 00:34:00 auchter yes, i too should sleep
08 00:34:00 auchter but all this talk of emacs led me back to stallman.org
08 00:35:00 andy753421 this cannot end well
08 00:37:00 auchter awesome, he calls the british government "The Clown regime"
08 00:39:00 auchter also, "U SAP AT RIOT"... it appears he's gotten more clever, as before he simply called it "PAT RIOT"
08 00:40:00 Morasique "more clever" is a very relative term apparently
08 01:11:00 Morasique "8-15 characters with at least one letter and one number. No spaces or special characters."
08 01:12:00 Morasique that's my other credit card. why do my credit cards have the worst password requirements?
08 01:12:00 Morasique not even requirements, they actively prohibit you from using good passwords
08 01:44:00 Morasique !!!
08 01:45:00 Morasique linux works on my pocketpc
08 01:47:00 andy753421 I think 15 random a-zA-Z0-9 characters is still pretty impossible
08 01:49:00 Morasique well, ok, maybe "prohibit you from using good passwords" was harsh, but why can't i have a 255 character password with random symbols in it if i feel like it? why do they restrict it?
08 01:52:00 andy753421 if I did my math correct.. it would take 48763 years to brute force a 15 character password on Blue Gene/L assuming that checking one instance is a floating point operation
08 01:52:00 andy753421 but year, the upper limit is silly, although you might be able to make an argument about memory vs. writing it down
08 01:53:00 andy753421 *but yea
08 03:32:00 Morasique this is incredibly cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVMrV_ZE6A
08 10:46:00 jboticsource
08 10:46:00 jboticsource Hi Andy,
08 10:46:00 jboticsource A member of Precise Path forwarded me this email from another LUG type group. He suggested that we speak there sometime.
08 10:46:00 jboticsource -Jay Kinzie
08 10:46:00 jboticsource -------- Original Message --------
08 11:18:00 Morasique jboticsource: pastebin
08 11:18:00 Morasique ftw
08 11:19:00 jboticsource how do i do that?
08 11:32:00 jboticsource http://pastebin.com/m2e43e1cc
08 12:30:00 Morasique i write code about 10 times faster than the lead developer reviews it, and about 100 times faster than my project manager approves it
08 12:30:00 Morasique in short, i spend a lot of time reading rss feeds
08 18:36:00 Blazeix what the hell. My high school junior-level english teacher just friended me on facebook.
08 18:36:00 Blazeix That might be the most random request ever.
08 18:36:00 tommost Hehe.
08 18:36:00 tommost There's a guy from my high school that I don't recognize who keeps trying to friend me. Again and again and agani.
08 18:56:00 Blazeix I'm in iowa right now, and the state fair is going on right now. Apparently they are very proud of their 'life-sized cow made of butter'
08 18:56:00 Blazeix this is an annual attraction.
08 18:57:00 Blazeix Never thought I'd say this, but I miss Terre Haute and its absence of life-sized cows made of butter.
08 18:58:00 Blazeix For those of you who feel left out:
08 18:58:00 Blazeix http://www.iowastatefair.com/entertainment/buttercow.php
08 19:05:00 Blazeix scared him away, I guess.
08 21:16:00 auchter Blazeix: i pity you. i drive by something even larger and more ghastly that appears to be made of butter as well...
08 21:16:00 Blazeix you've piqued my curiosity...
08 21:16:00 auchter http://www.solidrockchurch.org/images/king_fount.jpg
08 21:17:00 auchter it's yellower in person.
08 21:18:00 Blazeix Wow. is that near i465? I think I may have seen that before.
08 21:18:00 auchter no, it's on I-75 outside of dayton
08 21:18:00 Blazeix oh.
08 21:18:00 Blazeix It seems like there should be some good pranks you could do to that.
08 21:19:00 auchter the thought had occurred to me...
08 22:11:00 octavious my roomate just referred to it as "touchdown jesus"
08 22:11:00 auchter octavious: indeed, i've heard that as well
08 22:29:00 auchter hah, i just came across this website: http://www.freebase.com/ a rather unfortunate choice of name
08 22:50:00 Blazeix thank god for urban dictionary. That is an unfortunate name.
08 22:51:00 Blazeix Their product can't be very good; Right off the bat it notifies me that my browser isn't supported.
08 22:51:00 tommost WTF?
08 22:51:00 tommost Opera?
08 22:51:00 Blazeix yeah
08 22:51:00 Blazeix Its odd that they chose to put that notification on their homepage.
08 22:51:00 tommost Lame of them.
08 22:51:00 tommost How the heck can it actually matter?
08 22:52:00 tommost I mean, Opera 9.5 fixed most of the esoteric Ajax issues. There aren't many real issues left.
08 22:52:00 Blazeix yeah, I'd imagine they have a whitelist based approach, and just haven't though of opera yet.
08 23:19:00 auchter i used opera freshman year, until octavious mentioned vimperator... now i can't go back
08 23:23:00 Blazeix auchter: funny you should mention that
08 23:23:00 Blazeix http://my.opera.com/Blazeix/blog/2008/07/04/vimperator-for-opera
08 23:25:00 auchter Blazeix: cool, but no marking...
08 23:25:00 Blazeix yeah, I never used them
08 23:25:00 auchter no buffer either
08 23:25:00 auchter ah, i use them all the time
08 23:26:00 Blazeix auchter: you and octavious were thinking of making a browser of the summer right? Did anything ever happen with that?
08 23:27:00 auchter hah, no
08 23:28:00 Blazeix shame, I'm in the market for a good light-weight browser, and none of them are satisfactory
08 23:28:00 auchter at the time we were discussing it, i was playing around with webkit. webkit is the opposite of light-weight
08 23:29:00 auchter i use elinks, abaco, and dillo (in that order) for lightweight browsers
08 23:29:00 auchter of course, i still mostly use firefox, but elinks is actually a close second
08 23:29:00 Blazeix Yeah, I've looked at epiphany, kazehakase (sp?), and midori
08 23:30:00 Blazeix I guess by light-weight, I mean 'lighter than firefox'
08 23:30:00 Blazeix midori has some promise, but it segfaults a ton.
08 23:30:00 auchter don't all of those use either webkit or gecko though?
08 23:31:00 Blazeix yeah, but most of them were still very fast.
08 23:31:00 auchter and think, the whole point of splitting firefox (firebird, or phoenix, or whatever it was called at the time) off of mozilla was for a lightweight browser...
08 23:31:00 auchter and now look where we are a few years later
09 00:42:00 Morasique Blazeix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJdgIpK--c
09 00:44:00 Morasique auchter: did you just completely switch sides? you went from "the main problem with firefox is you need plugins" yesterday to "firefox is too bloated" today
09 00:49:00 Blazeix Morasique: that video's pretty good. I followed a link about the butter cow, and the butter cow lady endorsed Obama a while back. This was apparently Big News, not sure how I missed it.
09 00:50:00 auchter Morasique: you need plugins to change something as basic and fundamental as key bin dings
09 00:50:00 auchter woah, inserting a space there llooks weird
09 00:54:00 Morasique auchter: yes, that's the point, because people that feel no need to edit key bindings don't need that functionality. editing key bindings it not critical to a browser, it would be weird if firefox needed a special plugin to load webpages
09 01:00:00 Morasique i want glowing status bears: http://www.globalnerdy.com/2008/08/01/build-status-interfaces/
09 01:24:00 Morasique er, holy crap. i just realized i have the load cycle count problem ubuntu people were complaining about like 6 months ago, except on gentoo
09 01:29:00 auchter hmm?
09 01:34:00 Morasique people that run ubuntu on laptops had a problem where their hard drive's load cycle count would go up 3 or 4 times a minute, it kills the drive. i never had that problem, but now i do on gentoo for some reason
09 01:34:00 Morasique usually it's the laptop power saving mode that does it, but i don't even have laptop-tools installed
09 01:36:00 Morasique my friend just booted an old windows xp machine, it's infected with blaster
09 02:41:00 Blazeix Morasique: An excellent start to a xkcd malware aquarium
09 02:55:00 Morasique it would actually be entertaining to start one of those. it might work now, most viruses don't destroy the computer anymore
09 02:58:00 Morasique wow. i started getting rose "your mailbox is over its size limit" messages starting 08/08/08 at 8pm
09 02:58:00 Morasique i am obviously awesome
09 13:05:00 Morasique good news: word is the dns fix isn't sufficient
09 16:00:00 Morasique damn it. firefox just crashed right in the middle of me typing a url, i thought i'd fixed this
09 16:33:00 Blazeix Morasique: Yeah, after some instability with Opera, I'm using epiphany right now.
09 16:33:00 Blazeix In the true gnome fashion, its completely inconfigurable, but its fast
09 16:33:00 tommost Yup, that's Gnome.
09 16:34:00 Blazeix It does have some sort of extension framework for writing extensions in a mixture of Python and C, but there is little to no documentation for the current version.
09 16:35:00 tommost Yeah, and apparently they don't have access to the DOM, so that's not too useful.
09 16:41:00 Morasique well, based on auchter saying he never has problems i'm still convinced it's my plugins, i just apparently didn't disable the right ones
09 16:41:00 tommost How many do you have?
09 16:42:00 auchter also, i'm using 2.0.0.15
09 16:42:00 tommost Oh, well, that's just cheating.
09 16:43:00 auchter it didn't look like there was anything better about 3, so i've never used it
09 16:44:00 Morasique i don't use 3 either, i use 2.0.0.16
09 16:44:00 Morasique i have 33 plugins, 20 are enabled at the moment
09 16:45:00 andy753421 i've slowly started using less and less plugins in firefox..
09 16:45:00 auchter yeah, uh, i use two: adblock plus and vimperator
09 16:47:00 auchter is there any compelling reason to use firefox 3, or is it how i think of it: firefox vista
09 16:48:00 andy753421 so ECE people, how come USB->PS/2 converters are really small and cheap but PS/2->USB converters are big and expensive?
09 16:49:00 auchter andy753421: ps2->usb converters need to have a chip implementing full usb slave support
09 16:49:00 auchter usb->ps2 converters can probably just do signal level shifting, if that's even needed
09 18:01:00 Blazeix auchter: one reason to use ff3 is because the current and next versions of vimperator are for ff3 only
09 18:01:00 Blazeix thats really the only reason I upgraded
09 18:02:00 Blazeix that and the awesome bar of course. Can't forget the shiny new awesome bar ~
09 18:02:00 tommost I like the awesome bar.
09 18:04:00 Blazeix I've never really seen the point of it. It takes up a lot of room. The main reason I'm poking fun of it is because whenever you see a ff3 article, it always makes a Big Deal about the awesome bar.
09 18:07:00 Blazeix tommost: epiphany does have its own version of greasemonkey though, so you have access to the dom that way
09 18:08:00 auchter Blazeix: yeah, i guess i haven't looked into what's improved in the new versions of vimperator
09 18:11:00 Blazeix yeah, I haven't noticed too much of a difference, although last time I looked at it, it appeared to have zero documentation
09 18:11:00 Blazeix whereas the ff2 version had excellent docs
09 18:20:00 Morasique the awesomebar is just another one of those things i have to get used to, at the moment it just gets in my way on my work machine
09 18:30:00 auchter someone should fork firefox so stupid things like this so-called "awesomebar" wouldn't even be considered
09 18:34:00 Morasique well, it's not necessarily bad, i'm just not used to it
09 18:35:00 Morasique i'm used to typing the things that make the firefox 2 address bar show what i want, which usually doesn't work with awesomebar
09 18:54:00 Blazeix hm. #purduelug only has 6 people in it. Thanks to luglog, we win!
09 18:58:00 Morasique luglog counts for at least 2 anyway
09 18:58:00 Morasique sometimes when i'm the only person in here, it talks to me
09 18:59:00 Morasique (it tells me to ban all of you)
09 19:00:00 Morasique Blazeix: ask them if they meet over the summer, i'm 10 minutes away from purdue and very bored
09 19:00:00 Morasique :)
09 19:00:00 Blazeix Hm. I should sic my little brother on you. He's at purdue right now.
09 19:01:00 Morasique you let your brother go to purdue?
09 19:01:00 Blazeix Yeah, he was deciding between purdue and "miami university of ohio"
09 19:02:00 Morasique i didn't even know there was a miami, ohio
09 19:02:00 Blazeix Then he learned that MUO has the highest rate of bulimia in the country
09 19:02:00 Blazeix so he stuck with purdue
09 19:02:00 Morasique so you're saying the girls are hot then
09 19:03:00 Blazeix that was the gist of my point.
09 19:04:00 Morasique i can't believe they even measure rates of bulimia at colleges
09 19:09:00 auchter we should invade #purduelug
09 19:10:00 Blazeix auchter, you should join their channel, and then change you nick to rr72 a whole bunch of times.
09 19:10:00 Blazeix seemed to work well last time.
09 19:10:00 auchter that worked less well when i realized i was in other channels...
09 19:11:00 Blazeix I'm poking around on MUO's website, and I found this depressing page:
09 19:11:00 Blazeix http://www.units.muohio.edu/saf/scs/mental_health/self_esteem.php
09 19:13:00 auchter i find the arrangement of the bar on the left side of the page amusing: "Student Counseling Services: Depression, Suicide..."
09 19:14:00 auchter i wonder what other helpful services they offer
09 19:14:00 auchter and they godwinned themselves on the suicide page (subtlely)
09 19:20:00 crr I wouldn't count myself when enumerating active people in this channel
09 19:21:00 tommost andy753421: What type of pie pan is necessary for your pizza?
09 19:28:00 Morasique crr: you're the 12th most active person this month. not too shabby
09 19:29:00 crr there must only be 12 regulars in here then :)
09 19:30:00 Morasique yeah, you're actually at the bottom of the list. but you beat all those losers that haven't spoken at all
09 19:30:00 Morasique glares at luglog
09 19:31:00 auchter damn, i need to stop talking
09 19:31:00 Morasique :)
09 19:39:00 Morasique i'm very tempted to join #purduelug, but then they might see what channels i'm in and join here
09 19:40:00 andy753421 tommost: it doesn't particularly matter, i've made it on a pizza dish, a cookie sheet, and in a cast iron skillet
09 19:40:00 andy753421 just don't use something that has holes in the bottom
09 19:41:00 Morasique somebody join #purduelug and make fun of them for using tables for their website layout
09 19:41:00 auchter i nominate tommost
09 19:41:00 Morasique it does seem a task he'd be good at
09 19:42:00 Morasique hey, they have membership cards. i demand an rhlug membership card
09 19:42:00 auchter no
09 19:42:00 Morasique awesome, their next installfest is set for october 28th, 2000
09 19:42:00 Morasique we should check it out
09 19:42:00 andy753421 i don't understand the whole purdue-rhit thing
09 19:43:00 Morasique you mean the thing where we don't like them?
09 19:43:00 andy753421 yea
09 19:43:00 Morasique i suspect it's sports-related, that's how these things usually come about
09 19:43:00 andy753421 i suppose, in which case i guess it doesn't effect me
09 19:43:00 Morasique although i've been on their website for a minute or so and i'm quickly compiling my own reasons
09 19:44:00 andy753421 i cant imagine it being much worse than rose's website..
09 19:44:00 Morasique they highlight text in the exact same shade of blue as links, so there are things that look like links but aren't
09 19:44:00 Morasique high five there
09 19:44:00 Morasique andy753421: well, i mean specifically the lug website, i haven't been to purdue's website
09 19:45:00 auchter rose fails at having a decent website
09 19:46:00 Morasique they don't have ubuntu or gentoo on the distro list, although to be fair, neither existed the last time this site was updated
09 19:46:00 andy753421 Morasique: what URL are you looking at?
09 19:46:00 Morasique 1http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/PLUG/
09 19:47:00 andy753421 ok, there seems to be urls for http://plug.purdue.org and http://plug.student-orgs.purdue.edu/ as well
09 19:47:00 andy753421 not sure whether they are any more recent though as none of the three seem to work for me
09 19:48:00 Blazeix Its not loading for me. maybe we can take credit for taking down their webserver
09 19:48:00 Morasique oh. maybe i'm looking at an old version, but yeah, i can't load it either
09 19:48:00 auchter yeah, none of those links work for me
09 19:48:00 Morasique congratulates #rhlug on our first DoS attack
09 19:49:00 auchter never blame malice (ours) when you can blame incompetence (theirs)
09 19:49:00 Blazeix But if its our malice, its awesome.
09 19:49:00 andy753421 does not understand why that would be awesome
09 19:50:00 Blazeix rhlug takes down rival school's lug
09 19:50:00 Blazeix Rose vs purdue sort of thing
09 19:50:00 Morasique using 1337 h4x0r5 skillz
09 19:50:00 andy753421 shouldn't the LUGs be working together?
09 19:51:00 auchter andy753421: in a rational world, yes
09 19:51:00 andy753421 you know, vs. M$ or something
09 19:51:00 auchter apparently rose and purdue are zones of irrationality
09 19:51:00 Blazeix I'm not being exactly 100% serious
09 19:51:00 Morasique andy753421: if it helps, i'm pretty sure we didn't take down their server, it's probably been down for about forever
09 19:51:00 Morasique google crawled it one too many times and it couldn't cope
09 19:51:00 andy753421 yea that's what I figured, i guess i just don't have the same sense of humor..
09 19:52:00 Morasique it's your acceptance of purdue, it's downright fishy
09 19:52:00 andy753421 although, doing a penetration test with other LUGs would be a fun activity
09 19:53:00 andy753421 (my roommate this summer was from purdue, he seemed alright)
09 19:53:00 Morasique he wasn't. he wanted you to think that
09 19:53:00 Morasique did he mention any manifestos? that's the first clue
09 19:53:00 andy753421 apparently they are somewhat unaware of this competition
09 19:53:00 Morasique true. somebody join #purduelug and say "first group to take down the other's website wins"
09 19:54:00 Morasique and i'll join and say "we win"
09 19:54:00 auchter from what i've heard from the purdue interns at lexmark, they're aware
09 19:54:00 andy753421 hm, perhaps it varies between departments and such
09 19:55:00 andy753421 although, i could see my roommate being one who wouldn't be aware of 'popular' things there
09 19:56:00 Morasique their mailing list archive goes through january of this year, so apparently the website is slightly maintained
09 19:56:00 auchter i do get the impresison that it's much more of a rose thing though
09 19:56:00 auchter and i have yet to understand it, i tend to look at it as "no one has heard of use, ergo we're much cooler than you are"
09 19:56:00 auchter s/se/s/
09 19:58:00 Morasique apparently they use banner at purdue, and it doesn't work with linux
09 19:58:00 Morasique there's a mailing list post complaining that their version of iait refuses to support linux
09 19:58:00 Morasique i'm feeling nostalgic
09 19:58:00 auchter we need a mailing list
09 19:59:00 Morasique we don't send e-mails
09 19:59:00 crr except for the fact that we're smarter than them, there's a lot we have in common
09 19:59:00 Morasique it's pretty much this room's log
09 20:00:00 andy753421 can i convert a virtual partition to a primary partition by editing the bootsector?
09 20:00:00 andy753421 i think that will work, but i don't know for sure..
09 20:00:00 auchter you mean an extended partition?
09 20:01:00 andy753421 yea, that the one
09 20:01:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure you can't
09 20:01:00 auchter i thought those were partitions created within a primary parition
09 20:01:00 auchter but i'm likely wrong on that
09 20:02:00 andy753421 i think if i edit the start and ends right it should work..
09 20:02:00 Morasique i don't know, i just know partition editors i've used have never supported it, but you might be able to do it manually
09 20:08:00 tommost andy753421: Well, I have a cast-iron pan. I'll use that. Anything I should know about it?
09 20:09:00 andy753421 tommost: how big is it? (the one i used is ~11 inches)
09 20:10:00 tommost About 11.5" at the top.
09 20:11:00 andy753421 alright, the recipe i posted was originally for a cookie tray sized pizza so if you make it in a 11.5 inch pan it will be a lot thicker so you'll want to cook it a little cooler and longer
09 20:11:00 tommost Okay, no problem.
09 20:11:00 tommost It'll be quite deep, right?
09 20:12:00 andy753421 if you make the full recipe it'll be about an 1.5 or 2 inches thick
09 20:12:00 tommost I may need more toppings, then.
09 20:13:00 andy753421 (that was including toppings, the crust will probably be an inch or so
09 20:13:00 andy753421 )
09 20:13:00 tommost Oh, wow, that is thick.
09 20:13:00 tommost Would it work to take some of the dough and put it on top?
09 20:14:00 andy753421 probably
09 20:14:00 andy753421 or just make a half recipe or something
09 20:14:00 tommost Mmm.
09 20:15:00 tommost Would it be less risky in a cookie sheet?
09 20:15:00 andy753421 probably
09 20:16:00 tommost That's tempting.
09 20:16:00 andy753421 i mean, cooking (at least for me) isn't exactly a science
09 20:16:00 tommost Nor for me.
09 20:16:00 andy753421 so it will work either way, it just depend on how thick you want it ;)
09 20:17:00 tommost I would probably like the thicker version. I'll try that.
09 20:18:00 andy753421 another think you could try if you like is to cook the crust by itself for a few minutes before putting the toppings on
09 20:18:00 tommost Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
09 20:19:00 tommost I'll ask my father about it. (He once owned a bakery.)
09 20:19:00 auchter speaking of cooking, since fall is approaching, people should post soup recipes
09 20:19:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure the more I cook the more i just throw things together randomly
09 20:20:00 auchter i'll post a simple one for lentil soup
09 20:20:00 andy753421 eh, i'm not a big fan of soups
09 20:20:00 auchter yeah, that normally turns out best
09 20:20:00 andy753421 depends on the soup though, but most of the time I don't feel like cooking soup and something else so all i have is soup which isn't much of a meal
09 20:20:00 tommost auchter: You should post one involving kimchi. I didn't like it much on rice.
09 20:21:00 auchter i don't know any kim chi soups, i've only had it in a restaurant
09 20:21:00 auchter i eat kimchi with rice, and you should try some other varieties
09 20:21:00 auchter i'm not particularly fond of the napa cabbage, which is by far the most common
09 20:21:00 auchter my favourite is striped radish
09 20:21:00 tommost Yeah, I found it rather tough..
09 20:22:00 auchter it definitely shouldn't be tough
09 20:22:00 auchter i should just learn how to make kimchi
09 20:51:00 Morasique i'd forgotten i'm taking a humanities class in the fall. now the sadness has returned
09 21:07:00 Morasique portage has ebuilds for vmware-workstation 5.5.6 and 5.5.7, but only the distfile for 5.5.5. it's like some sort of conspiracy to deny me vmware
09 21:13:00 tommost Morasique: Are the humanities class and VMware somehow connected?
09 21:21:00 Blazeix tommost: well, they are three clicks apart on wikipedia. That's a good enough connection for me.
09 21:21:00 Blazeix in unrelated news, I have way to much spare time today
09 21:21:00 Blazeix s/to/too/
09 21:22:00 Morasique tommost: should they be?
09 21:23:00 tommost I couldn't think of a reason they would be.
09 21:23:00 Morasique they're not. i'm a multitasker
09 21:25:00 tommost What saddening humanities class are you taking?
09 21:26:00 auchter hah, i'm taking two humanities this fall
09 21:26:00 Morasique humans and culture
09 21:26:00 Morasique auchter: good, i feel better now
09 21:27:00 auchter one could really suck depending on if they chose awful works, it's called "Major British Authors" or somesuch
09 21:27:00 tommost I've taken a humanities every quarter I've been at Rose, and this fall is no different.
09 21:27:00 auchter which has the potential to be really good, as I rather like some british writers
09 21:28:00 auchter but it also has the potential to be incredibly saddening
09 21:32:00 Morasique i tend to skip the reading in those classes when i get busy, which doesn't go well
09 21:33:00 auchter yeah, but i like to read, and i really don't during the school year as i spend my time on other class related things instead
09 21:33:00 auchter so this gives me a very good excuse
09 21:34:00 Morasique i'm a fan of classes involving essays, 'cause rose people suck at essays
09 21:36:00 auchter wow, that was a failure.
09 21:36:00 rhlug the eeepc distro is shit
09 21:36:00 Morasique er. why is povilusr named rhlug?
09 21:37:00 tommost I'm wondering that too.
09 21:37:00 rhlug huh?
09 21:37:00 Morasique your nick is "rhlug"
09 21:37:00 rhlug my screen is showing up as povilusr_eeepc
09 21:37:00 Morasique ...no
09 21:37:00 auchter i was content thinking that he didn't know how to use his irc client
09 21:37:00 rhlug wierd ill look
09 21:37:00 rhlug im using pidgin'
09 21:37:00 auchter looks like i was correct
09 21:37:00 rhlug in an eeepc
09 21:38:00 Morasique http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-08.log#line-1847
09 21:38:00 auchter ah, one of the newer ones?
09 21:38:00 rhlug my nick name is povilusr_eeepc but my id is rhlug
09 21:38:00 Morasique pidgin lets you set a local alias, i suspect that's what you did
09 21:38:00 rhlug thats confusing
09 21:39:00 rhlug yesh i thoght thats was id
09 21:39:00 Morasique /nick will tell you your nick
09 21:39:00 auchter ...crazily enough, that's also you you set your nick
09 21:40:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah
09 21:40:00 auchter s/you/how/
09 21:41:00 tommost s/(?<=how )how/you/
09 21:41:00 auchter what?
09 21:41:00 tommost Or does sed only replace the first match?
09 21:42:00 auchter no idea, i use perl syntax
09 21:42:00 tommost Does perl?
09 21:42:00 auchter only the first match, but i'm prett ysure sed does that doo
09 21:42:00 povilusr_eeepc i use sam syntax
09 21:42:00 auchter s/doo/too/
09 21:42:00 povilusr_eeepc saym tiny keyboard syntax
09 21:42:00 Morasique tommost: you add a g after the trailing /
09 21:42:00 auchter povilusr_eeepc: i didn't know you used plan 9!
09 21:42:00 tommost auchter: Don't get your hopes up.
09 21:42:00 auchter http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/sam.html
09 21:43:00 Morasique auchter: i was totally lost for a moment there :)
09 21:43:00 povilusr_eeepc i now have an excucuse for bad typing
09 21:43:00 auchter i don' tthink the keyboard caused you to type "cu" twice
09 21:44:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah it did
09 21:44:00 povilusr_eeepc there super close to eachother
09 21:44:00 auchter and i should probably stop criticising people for their typing ,as it seems i'm failing tonihgt
09 21:44:00 auchter or your bloody horrible grammar
09 21:44:00 auchter s/there/they're/
09 21:45:00 Blazeix auchter, you're going to be doing a lot of those
09 21:45:00 povilusr_eeepc blazix, ther apo server up, i toold ill steve 3 of 4 time i think he may have gotten it
09 21:46:00 auchter so, uh, does pidgin not support tab completion of usernames?
09 21:46:00 andy753421 auchter: it does
09 21:46:00 povilusr_eeepc it does i fotgot'
09 21:46:00 Blazeix povilusr_eeepc: hmm, I can't ping it
09 21:46:00 povilusr_eeepc lame
09 21:46:00 Blazeix I think that might be the least of his worries.
09 21:47:00 povilusr_eeepc topmost just got owned
09 21:47:00 povilusr_eeepc and yes sthat was on purpuse
09 21:48:00 Blazeix povilusr_eeepc: I don't suppose you have steve's aim sn, do you?
09 21:48:00 povilusr_eeepc no
09 21:48:00 povilusr_eeepc sadly
09 21:49:00 povilusr_eeepc he tried 1nce and he couldent get it on but he was hungover at the time
09 21:50:00 povilusr_eeepc may be bad power supply though
09 21:50:00 Morasique ok, was "1nce" intentional? it's hard to get further apart than "1" and "o"
09 21:50:00 Blazeix hmm, I don't want hungover people near the server
09 21:50:00 ZetaSyanthis I was just thinking that, morasique
09 21:50:00 povilusr_eeepc hungover not that bad
09 21:50:00 povilusr_eeepc yeah i realised that after i hit enter
09 21:51:00 Morasique Blazeix: for a terrifying moment i thought you were talking about steve chenoweth
09 21:51:00 Blazeix If you accept british spelling, that was a reasonably well-typed sentence for povilusr_eeepc.
09 21:52:00 Blazeix Morasique: I'd rather have hung-over steve torno, then lucid chenoweth
09 21:52:00 povilusr_eeepc im a badass
09 21:52:00 auchter z's are dumb anyway
09 21:53:00 Morasique auchter: you're probably hurting blazeix's feelings
09 21:53:00 povilusr_eeepc they are and it pronounced zed's
09 21:53:00 Blaseix :)
09 21:53:00 Morasique er. "they are when they're pronounced zed"?
09 21:53:00 Morasique Blaseix: much better
09 21:53:00 povilusr_eeepc they are dumb ut its pronounced zed
09 21:54:00 Morazique povilusr_eeepc: i'm completely lost
09 21:54:00 Blaseix *but*, maybe? Still doesn't make sense
09 21:54:00 povilusr_eeepc joke, in englan you pronounce z zed
09 21:54:00 Morazique it does look like he's trying to say they're pronounced zed, which is a british thing
09 21:54:00 Morazique ah. yes
09 21:55:00 povilusr_eeepc a joke or the stargate atlantis watchers amung us
09 21:55:00 auchter i prefer sed to zed
09 21:55:00 auchter i think he's given up on us
09 21:56:00 Morazique vmware is the worst product ever made, this is such a pain in the ass
09 21:56:00 Blazeix good news, crr, you aren't last anymore
09 21:56:00 auchter Blazeix: what is the origin of your name anyway
09 21:57:00 Blazeix random nonsense word generator from about 8 or 9 years ago
09 21:58:00 Blazeix Unfortunately, recently I've learned that it has marijuana connotations
09 21:58:00 auchter actually, i'd just always assumed that
09 21:58:00 Morasique everything has marijuana connotations
09 21:58:00 auchter that's why i asked, hah
09 21:58:00 Blazeix auchter: excellent. That's definitely what I'm going for.
09 21:59:00 Morasique "blazix" is a java web server. so you can be associated with marijuana or java, your choice
09 21:59:00 Blazeix damn. I have to find a pythony name.
09 21:59:00 auchter "snakeoil"
09 22:01:00 Morasique just be PyBlazeix, then everyone will know
09 22:03:00 Morasique Blazeix: do you use vmware? i think you do for some reason
09 22:03:00 Blazeix nope, I use virtualbox
09 22:03:00 Morasique well you're useless
09 22:03:00 ZetaSyanthis I've used it a little in the past, morasique
09 22:03:00 ZetaSyanthis Anything I can help with?
09 22:04:00 Morasique i have a vmware image but i can't get vmware to play it, workstation requires a serial i don't have and the player says the image was made with a version of vmware with more features, which is apparently a problem
09 22:05:00 Blazeix I'm playing with a random name generator. One of names it suggested was "Webmerica"
09 22:06:00 povilusr_eeepc Morasique: vmware server dosent need a searal and can play images
09 22:07:00 Blazeix It also suggested "Organograf". These are the worst names ever.
09 22:10:00 ZetaSyanthis hmm, what was the vmware image made with?
09 22:11:00 ZetaSyanthis you can get a vmware server install/key free
09 22:11:00 ZetaSyanthis that's what I use whenever I use vmware
09 22:11:00 crr Blazeix: I've had good success with generating names by going to Wikipedia and clicking "Random Article" until one has a good title
09 22:11:00 crr I've gotten great names like "Major Disambiguation", "Flyover", and "Hornbad Weinberg" this way
09 22:13:00 Morasique oh, maybe i'm using the wrong thing. i'll try that
09 22:14:00 tommost Well, VirtualBox fails. It stole my keyboard input and then errored out because kvm was loaded. It did not relinquish my keyboard, however. I had to restart my laptop.
09 22:14:00 Blazeix crr, using the wikipedia method, i've decided my new name will be "Providence High School (North Carolina)"
09 22:15:00 crr See? It works! And if you don't like that one, you can continue to click "Random Article" until you find a better one.
09 22:16:00 Morasique tommost: you probably could've gotten away with restarting x
09 22:16:00 tommost Yeah, originally I logged out, but GDM didn't start. It probably had something to do with the USB tuner I had plugged in, as my laptop wouldn't boot until I removed it.
09 22:16:00 Morasique wow, my first random article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szczakowianka_Jaworzno
09 22:16:00 Morasique perfect
09 22:17:00 Blazeix random article "List of nicknames used by George W. Bush"
09 22:17:00 Szczakowianka sadly, i don't think the full name will fit
09 22:17:00 Szczakowianka Blazeix: you should steal his nicknames
09 22:17:00 Szczakowianka switch daily
09 22:17:00 Blazeix Pootie-Poot - Vladimir Putin, President of Russia
09 22:18:00 Morasique i'm coming to the conclusion that wikipedia article titles are ill-suited to be nicks
09 22:20:00 Blazeix I've seen a few good ones go by.
09 22:21:00 Blazeix well, maybe not *good*, but *acceptable*
09 22:22:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: you suck, server needs a serial
09 22:22:00 Blazeix Shastasaurus, Svitovyd, "Porthmadog railway station"
09 22:23:00 Blazeix http://www.vmware.com/download/server/open_source.html
09 22:23:00 Blazeix "register for your free serial number(s)"
09 22:23:00 Morasique ooo, score
09 22:24:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: i take it back. maybe
09 22:24:00 tommost Why do you insist on using VMWare?
09 22:25:00 Morasique tommost: i said earlier, i have a vmware image i downloaded
09 22:25:00 auchter kvm ftw
09 22:25:00 Morasique i use virtualbox normally
09 22:25:00 tommost Ah, okay.
09 22:26:00 crr some names: Herblay, Sarybulak,Necho,Big John @ Breakfast,Whaling-foreman,Ichthyomyzon
09 22:26:00 tommost I'm currently trying to get VirtualBox to work so that I can watch Netflix streaming videos. Sadly, kvm can't do that.
09 22:27:00 tommost What's the command to unload a module?
09 22:27:00 auchter rmmod or modprobe -r
09 22:27:00 tommost Thanks.
09 22:28:00 auchter another name: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
09 22:28:00 Morasique ah good. "configuration file was created by a vmware product with more features than this version". jackpot
09 22:28:00 tommost Sweet. It boots.
09 22:28:00 Blazeix go find the configuration file and remove those lines. Nothing bad will happen. honest.
09 22:29:00 tommost Stupid Windows needs to be reactivated now.
09 22:29:00 crr Yu-5 torpedo,Punamusta,Xbox Linux,Partner (horse),Morazán,WKRK,Abductor wedge
09 22:29:00 Morasique Blazeix: i'm thinking about it
09 22:30:00 blazeix aww, can't have spaces in the nick
09 22:30:00 tommost The activation number is 888-571-2048. I want those last four digits.
09 22:31:00 Morasique tommost: er. what?
09 22:32:00 tommost It's a phone number.
09 22:32:00 auchter my phone number is godly
09 22:32:00 Morasique i see
09 22:32:00 auchter the last four digits are two times the first three digits
09 22:33:00 Morasique that's handy
09 22:33:00 tommost It's instructing me to enter a number that isn't displayed on the screen. There's a blank space where it should be.
09 22:33:00 tommost Microsoft's hold music is strange.
09 22:33:00 auchter ok, i'm going to attempt to move my laptop and hope that it doesn't short out and shut off
09 22:34:00 Morasique tommost: i know, i got to listen to it for ~an hour when i canceled my xbox live account
09 22:37:00 auchter well, i failed
09 22:38:00 tommost Apparently I need my serial number to activate Windows. Which means I need to find it. Crap.
09 22:38:00 auchter isn't it on the bottom of your laptop?
09 22:41:00 tommost Oh, yeah, I suppose that I could use that one.
09 22:42:00 Morasique tommost: yeah, i reinstalled my VM copy. unfortunately, the CS department is rather prompt about evicting people from MSDNAA, so i have no access to my key
09 22:42:00 tommost Why would you not have access to MSDNAA?
09 22:44:00 Morasique you only have access if you're enrolled in a cs class
09 22:44:00 Morasique which at the moment i'm not
09 22:44:00 tommost Oh.
09 22:44:00 tommost I thought that it was major-based.
09 22:46:00 tommost Oh, nice. Windows generated an installation ID this time.
09 22:47:00 Morasique jackpot. so the vmware image i'm trying to run is mac os, i got it to start, it showed the mac logo for a few seconds and then an impressive number of errors
09 22:48:00 auchter i've never been more tempted to kick you
09 22:49:00 Morasique fortunately i'm far away
09 22:50:00 Morasique my senior project team is developing a mac app, i'm trying to figure out how i'll do it without living on the mac in the cs lab
09 22:50:00 Morasique as that would require me to be seen on the mac in the cs lab
09 22:50:00 Morasique i have a reputation to uphold
09 22:52:00 tommost What app are you developing?
09 22:53:00 Morasique i don't remember, actually. i'm mostly focused on the mac-ness
09 22:53:00 Morasique i think it's something for TAs
09 22:53:00 tommost Not TAs at Rose, surely.
09 22:54:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m70688d4c
09 22:55:00 Morasique yes. they all use macs
09 22:55:00 Morasique it's run by curt, that's where the mac-ness comes from
09 22:56:00 tommost You should make it cross-platform.
09 22:56:00 tommost Use GTK.
09 22:56:00 Morasique we could write it in java :)
09 22:57:00 Morasique :)
09 22:57:00 tommost auchter: Happy now?
09 22:57:00 auchter quite
09 22:57:00 auchter but please don't encourage the proliferation of macs
09 22:57:00 Morasique i'm going to screenshot that
09 22:59:00 Morasique i'm actually not sure what we'll write it in, since none of us know mac stuff. i'm not even sure what languages my teammates know
09 23:00:00 iAuchter Morasique: i'm sure they know java
09 23:00:00 Morasique well yes, but as tommost very effectively pointed out, java isn't the best
09 23:00:00 iAuchter lies, java is everything to everyone
09 23:00:00 Morasique i would prefer to write it natively, but nobody knows objective c
09 23:01:00 tommost Yeah, and that would make cross-platformness difficult, wouldn't it?
09 23:01:00 Morasique true. i suppose it really should be cross-platform, or nobody will be able to use it but curt
09 23:01:00 Morasique so it probably will end up being in java
09 23:01:00 tommost No!!!
09 23:01:00 iAuchter i would think C would have the best support for stuff like PDF
09 23:02:00 tommost Yeah. Do the GUI in PyGTK and the backend in C.
09 23:02:00 Morasique by C you of course mean C++, and i'd be for that too
09 23:02:00 iAuchter no, C++ is evil.
09 23:02:00 Morasique i like c++, c makes me want to stab myself in the face
09 23:03:00 Morasique it would actually be really cool if we split it up like linux programs tend to be, with a command line tool and a gui that interacts with it
09 23:03:00 Morasique maybe i'll try to talk my team into that
09 23:03:00 tommost Er, I wouldn't go that far. Dividing things like that often makes for a crappy GUI.
09 23:03:00 tommost Most of what you're doing looks GUI-intensive.
09 23:03:00 Morasique tommost: nonsense
09 23:03:00 Morasique well, i don't actually remember what we're doing
09 23:04:00 Morasique i didn't read the description, i just threw it on pastebin and copied the link
09 23:04:00 tommost Certainly, though, you should divide it up so that it is easy to add a web-based frontend two years from now.
09 23:04:00 Morasique don't say web-based, that's all i need is for this to turn into a web project
09 23:04:00 iAuchter no good can come from the internet
09 23:05:00 tommost As someone who might have to use this program, I can say that the current plans are not good.
09 23:05:00 Morasique everytime iAuchter talks i shudder
09 23:07:00 tommost OMG, Microsoft has redesigned their web site. It's scary.
09 23:07:00 Morasique why is their porn on the homepage
09 23:08:00 Morasique s/their/there/
09 23:08:00 Morasique wow
09 23:08:00 Morasique i suppose it worked the other way too. just not how i intended
09 23:09:00 andy753421 Morasique: you might want to look into using xournal for the PDF/pen based stuff
09 23:09:00 Morasique ooo. cool
09 23:11:00 tommost This one is cool too, though I'm not sure if you would find it useful: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/index.html
09 23:12:00 Morasique possibly. i originally planned on using pdftk, but that's just because it's what i normally use
09 23:12:00 tommost Speaking of PDF: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2008/07/04/adobe-9
09 23:55:00 blazeix Morasique: I was AFK while you were talking about our project, I'd like to steer away from java
09 23:55:00 blazeix It might be interesting to mess around with qt or wxwidgets, both of which are cross-platform
09 23:56:00 Morasique well yeah, so would i, but i imagine our teammates don't know many other languages
09 23:56:00 Morasique isaac at least only knows java afaik
09 23:56:00 blazeix well, screw him
09 23:56:00 blazeix He can learn
09 23:57:00 Morasique works for me
09 23:57:00 blazeix I made him learn XUL for 370-something
09 23:57:00 Morasique is your nick lowercased intentionally?
09 23:57:00 blazeix no
09 23:58:00 Blazeix The logview is smart enough to handle it, though
09 23:58:00 povilusr-laptop gah the wifi on xantros sucks
10 00:00:00 Blazeix I think you can get a lot of different OSs for the eeepc.
10 00:02:00 povilusr-laptop yeah, but i want it tonite and i only have xubuntu on my sd card
10 00:02:00 povilusr-laptop and i have no sd card reader
10 00:03:00 Blazeix Can't you install off of usb?
10 00:03:00 povilusr-laptop and wi fi isent even detected under xubuntu
10 00:03:00 povilusr-laptop yeah i can but i have no usb cards ither
10 00:04:00 Blazeix no, I mean a flash drive.
10 00:04:00 povilusr-laptop im in a days in in colorado and there wi fi is refusing t work with the eeepc
10 00:04:00 povilusr-laptop yeah, the only memory i have is 1 sd card
10 00:04:00 Blazeix oh
10 00:04:00 povilusr-laptop 2 gig
10 00:32:00 Morasique DeckElec: rose?
10 00:41:00 DeckElec no.. sorry
10 00:45:00 Morasique :D i think i can forgive you. just wondering
10 00:46:00 povilusr-laptop sooooo the eeepc 901 is new enough, ubuntu is even a pain on it
10 00:46:00 dpick1 hey everybody
10 00:47:00 andy753421 dpick1: hello
10 00:47:00 DeckElec hi
10 00:50:00 Morasique i didn't even know we still had that thing
10 00:51:00 tommost Wow, now we're really beating Purdue.
10 00:51:00 Morasique heck yes
10 00:51:00 povilusr-laptop Morasique: heck, really?
10 00:52:00 Morasique is the complaint that i didn't say hell?
10 00:52:00 Morasique i say "heck yes" all the time
10 00:52:00 tommost Yeah, "heck" sounds better there than "hell".
10 00:52:00 tommost Something about the "k".
10 00:52:00 Morasique i curse plenty in this channel as it is
10 00:52:00 Mishtal tommost: why are we beating perdue... i dont see your reasoning
10 00:52:00 Morasique also outside it
10 00:52:00 Morasique we have more people in our channel
10 00:52:00 Mishtal oh
10 00:53:00 tommost There are ~5 people in #purduelug.
10 00:53:00 Morasique #purduelug had 6 last i heard
10 00:53:00 tommost Yeah, I just popped in and it's fewer now.
10 00:53:00 Morasique isn't there a way to check without joining?
10 00:53:00 povilusr-laptop fuck, hell, hizell, all better than heck
10 00:53:00 Mishtal i couldnt tell that, for some reason my channel list died a while ago
10 00:53:00 Morasique i don't forsee heavy usage of "hizell" in my future
10 00:54:00 DeckElec hizell no
10 00:54:00 tommost I vote we dub "hizell" the official minced oath of the Rose-Hulman Linux Users Group.
10 00:54:00 Mishtal no
10 00:54:00 dpick1 i'm gonna agree with Mishtal, no
10 00:55:00 povilusr-laptop you guys are gangsta--
10 00:55:00 tommost There doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia page for it. And Urban Dictionary has let me down as well.
10 00:55:00 povilusr-laptop ti's site isent working for me
10 00:55:00 Mishtal that would be because it isnt a word
10 00:55:00 povilusr-laptop http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tusb2077a.html can anyone get the datasheet there?
10 00:56:00 tommost Yes.
10 00:56:00 povilusr-laptop wierd
10 00:56:00 povilusr-laptop under nix i assume
10 00:56:00 tommost Of course.
10 00:56:00 Morasique works for me too
10 00:56:00 Morasique do you have a pdf viewer?
10 00:57:00 tommost Yes, the EEE comes with a PDF viewer.
10 00:57:00 povilusr-laptop yeah, im not on the eee
10 00:57:00 povilusr-laptop it comes with adobe actually
10 00:57:00 povilusr-laptop but the wifi isent working verywell right now
10 00:57:00 tommost Ouch.
10 00:57:00 Morasique http://71.98.91.137/datasheet.pdf
10 00:57:00 povilusr-laptop the chip is some random ass chip
10 00:57:00 Morasique er. http://71.98.91.137/datasheet.png
10 00:57:00 povilusr-laptop cool thanx Morasique
10 00:58:00 povilusr-laptop no, i have a pdf reader it just hates me
10 00:58:00 Morasique oh. well, i made it a png
10 00:58:00 povilusr-laptop thand
10 00:58:00 Morasique which will probably work
10 00:58:00 povilusr-laptop is that it
10 00:59:00 povilusr-laptop lame, no app notes
10 00:59:00 povilusr-laptop well, now firefox i just fubar
10 01:00:00 tommost Fubar: Official Obscenity of RHLUG.
10 01:00:00 tommost Does anyone know who that was?
10 01:00:00 povilusr-laptop tommost: i agree
10 01:02:00 povilusr-laptop gah xfce crash, how get back
10 01:02:00 povilusr-laptop no menues anywhere
10 01:02:00 iAuchter uh, run xfce from a terminal?
10 01:02:00 Morasique generally desktop managers reload themselves
10 01:02:00 Morasique iAuchter: he probably can't open one
10 01:02:00 povilusr-laptop negative terminals
10 01:02:00 iAuchter ctrl-alt-2
10 01:03:00 iAuchter s/2/f2/
10 01:03:00 auchter gah
10 01:03:00 povilusr-laptop whats the actual app "xfce4-?"
10 01:04:00 Morasique can you run it from a tty? i would think it wouldn't work
10 01:04:00 povilusr-laptop it dosent i think
10 01:04:00 auchter DISPLAY=:0 xfce4-whatever
10 01:06:00 povilusr-laptop eh, im sleeping
10 01:06:00 povilusr-laptop nite all
10 01:06:00 Morasique quitter
10 01:07:00 Morasique QUITTER
10 01:08:00 Morasique i think the #rhlug topic may be permanent
10 01:19:00 Morasique way to un-quit
10 01:21:00 tommost Can anyone remember the name of that Windows tool that you use to get Windows to check whether system files have been corrupted and fix them?
10 01:22:00 andy753421 chkdsk or something?
10 01:22:00 tommost No, the one that checks files against hashes.
10 01:25:00 Blazeix tommost: sfc /scannow
10 01:25:00 tommost Yes, that's it. Thanks.
10 01:27:00 Morasique Blazeix: it was a trick, the right answer was "i don't know any windows commands"
10 01:30:00 tommost It is damn cold here in Percopo.
10 01:31:00 Blazeix ooh. You're in percopo, can I get you to boot the APO server?
10 01:32:00 tommost Has the situation with the padlock changed?
10 01:32:00 Blazeix yeah
10 01:32:00 tommost Okay, sure.
10 01:32:00 Morasique Blazeix: you have an awful lot of problems with that thing
10 01:33:00 Blazeix no, just 1
10 01:33:00 Blazeix I've contacted 7 people trying to get them to go down there over the course of the past 2 months
10 01:33:00 Morasique oh, wow
10 01:34:00 tommost Hey, I actually did.
10 01:34:00 Blazeix yes, you're the only one
10 01:34:00 Blazeix that was my fault, I forgot they changed the keycode
10 01:35:00 Blazeix but everyone else has promised that they would get to it and didn't
10 01:35:00 Blazeix so probably what will happen is that at the end of august everyone will remember and the server will be needlessly rebooted a bunch of times
10 01:40:00 Morasique Blazeix: not to worry, they've probably all forgotten by now :)
10 01:46:00 tommost It won't turn on.
10 01:49:00 Blazeix hm. That is not welcome news.
10 01:49:00 Blazeix I'll have to go down next weekend then.
10 01:50:00 tommost I opened it up, but it didn't offer me any insight other than that nothing seems to have exploded.
10 01:50:00 tommost It was definitely plugged in properly, too.
10 01:50:00 Blazeix Thanks.
10 01:51:00 Blazeix Luckily, I set up a raid 1 on that thing
10 01:51:00 Blazeix so I'm not too worried.
10 01:55:00 Morasique tommost: i suspect you break computers by touching them
10 01:55:00 tommost vehemently denies this
10 01:56:00 Morasique mmm. sure. just stay away from my desktop
10 03:10:00 andy753421 bah hahaha
10 03:11:00 andy753421 so to counteract all the fancy recipes on the wiki I added a recipes on how to microwave a cake
10 10:27:00 Morasique "Tips: Brown sugar is delicious"
10 10:27:00 Morasique nice
10 11:51:00 Morasique auchter: sure, now you fix the recipe. i just finished buying a bunch of flowers from the store
10 11:53:00 auchter Morasique: trust me, i made the same mistake. you don't want to eat the result of following the broken recipe...
10 11:59:00 Morasique i like step 2, which instructs me to mix the cake batter until it forms a 'cake batter' like consistency
10 14:47:00 povilusr_online soo i have ubuntu running off a sd card on my eeepc
10 14:47:00 povilusr_online and there is a new kernel image custom to it, but because it is live booting off the live sd card it wont install an new kernel to itself, can i just repace a file or is there some way to make it modify itself
10 14:49:00 andy753421 most likely you can just replace the kernel image (located in /boot somewhere)
10 14:49:00 andy753421 and hope that ubuntu isn't doing anything crazy with the initrd
10 14:53:00 povilusr_online so boot it on the eeepc then "mv /cdrom/linux-image... /boot/"?
10 14:54:00 povilusr_online or do that on a dirrerent computer then boot on it
10 14:54:00 povilusr_online because its running in wierd thinks its a cd live mode
10 14:54:00 andy753421 um, good luck moving things that are on the CDROM
10 14:54:00 povilusr_online its not actually a cdrom though
10 14:54:00 andy753421 wait, the sd disk thinks it's a livecd?
10 14:54:00 povilusr_online its made with UNetBootIn
10 14:55:00 povilusr_online is there a usb ubuntu image?
10 14:57:00 andy753421 so ubuntu isn't actually installed at all?
10 14:58:00 povilusr_online no
10 14:58:00 andy753421 ok
10 14:58:00 povilusr_online i want to "install" it to a usb sd card
10 14:58:00 povilusr_online bassically
10 14:58:00 andy753421 yes, you can boot ubuntu off of a usb drive
10 14:59:00 povilusr_online yeah i am, but it thinks its a ive cd and the file system is wierd
10 14:59:00 povilusr_online i have it booted, i just thinkgs its a live cd, so i cannot modify its kernel
10 14:59:00 andy753421 i'm so totally confused
10 15:00:00 andy753421 does what you're booted off of now have a 'install' button anywhere?
10 15:00:00 povilusr_online yeah, but it cannot install to itself can it?
10 15:00:00 andy753421 probably not
10 15:01:00 andy753421 you need to boot off of a usb thumb drive or a cdrom or something and then install it onto the sd card
10 15:02:00 andy753421 (although, you might be able to create a ramdisk and copy the contents of the sd card to the ramdisk then pivot root to that and unmount the sd card and then actually install it back to the sd card)
10 15:02:00 andy753421 but that would be tricky
10 15:03:00 povilusr_online yeah but i only have 1 sd card
10 15:03:00 andy753421 you would only need one if you used a ramdisk while installing (assuming you have enough ram for that)
10 15:04:00 andy753421 but that's probably a lot harder
10 15:05:00 andy753421 i'd suggest just getting a bootable usb image and then booting that and installing it to the sd card
10 15:05:00 povilusr_online yeah i have a gig
10 15:05:00 andy753421 or put the sd card in another computer that has a CDROM and install it form there
10 15:05:00 povilusr_online but would be a pain il look for a usb stick shouldent be that much money
10 15:06:00 andy753421 you could also try to netboot, but that might be even more tricky
10 15:06:00 povilusr_online kk il be afk
10 15:48:00 auchter i was just reading an interview with an xorg developer
10 15:48:00 auchter apparently he's all excited because they're going to add a "blue screen of death" to X
10 15:51:00 auchter on the bright side, when asked about any easter eggs in X, he responded that when he was working on Xscreensaver in the early 90s, every 300-400 times it was run, instead of bouncing around an X, it would bounce around an image of "bob" dobbs
10 17:12:00 tommost The dough is rising.
10 17:50:00 auchter maybe some bleach would stop it?
10 17:50:00 tommost That it would.
10 18:05:00 tommost Time to go make the toppings.
10 18:06:00 Morasique auchter: some sort of error screen isn't a bad idea, instead of just dying
10 18:08:00 auchter he also mentioned a desire to move more graphics stuff into the kernel
10 18:08:00 Morasique why?
10 18:09:00 auchter i recall some mention of inane things like 'fast user switching'
10 18:12:00 Morasique er. it's called start another X session
10 18:34:00 auchter heh, i'm slow. i just realized the connection between the duff of duff's device, and the duff of plan 9's rc...
10 18:41:00 crr does that imply plan 9's rc is horribly difficult to understand?
10 18:44:00 Morasique no, the "plan 9" part implies that
10 18:46:00 auchter it's a hell of a lot easier to understand than bash...
10 18:46:00 auchter evidence: i've used rc for a few months, and know it completely. i've used bash for a few years and it still surprises me
10 19:06:00 bembry hey, anyone have any experience w/ gigabit nics and the kernel?
10 19:06:00 bembry I'm looking to buy a new mombo for my server and I'm finding the kernel drivers are kinda flaky.....
10 19:06:00 andy753421 bembry: i assume you're speaking of the linux kernel, and it depends on what devices
10 19:06:00 andy753421 the ones i've tried seem alright, what are you looking at?
10 19:06:00 auchter i've used a few gigabit nics (ee1000 and rtl8169)
10 19:07:00 bembry I'm looking at a few boards, one using a Realtek
10 19:07:00 bembry sec, let me dig up some links
10 19:07:00 bembry Realtek 8111C
10 19:07:00 auchter realtek's stuff is usually pretty cheap
10 19:07:00 bembry http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128351
10 19:07:00 bembry ya, I know
10 19:08:00 auchter intel's seem to be the best performing
10 19:08:00 bembry I know the Intel stuff is the best
10 19:08:00 bembry haha, beat me to it
10 19:08:00 bembry the other brad that seems to have cropped up is called Marvell
10 19:08:00 auchter yeah, i have no experience with any of their chips
10 19:08:00 bembry never heard of it, but this one board (dual nics) used the sky2 driver for one, and the skge driver for the other
10 19:09:00 bembry and basically there might be a possible issue with the two driver not liking each other
10 19:09:00 andy753421 the board i recently got has a marvell pata controller
10 19:09:00 bembry and my server needs 2x PCI, and that board came w/ 2....so I couldn't use a old PCI for connecting to the rose net
10 19:10:00 auchter is there a reason you need two nics?
10 19:10:00 bembry router
10 19:10:00 bembry rose lan, my lan
10 19:11:00 bembry it's also my fileserver
10 19:11:00 bembry so I need atleast 6x SATA
10 19:11:00 bembry and sadly I already bought a e8400, so I'm stuck intel....I had no problems finding a AMD board to fit my build requirements
10 19:11:00 auchter why not separate the two? i wouldn't want my fileserver doing routing, and it seems like that machines is overkill for routing 100Mb/s
10 19:12:00 bembry I know I can separate them......but why have more then one box when I don't need it.....
10 19:12:00 bembry it's also my myth box
10 19:14:00 bembry so if anyone would like to make some recommendations?....I know I can get a PCI-Express Intel for like 40 bucks...but I'd rather not spend that 40 bucks unless I absolutely have to
10 19:14:00 bembry well, 50 including shipping
10 19:14:00 auchter i haven't bought a motherboard in over a year, so i haven't really kept up on what's out there
10 19:14:00 bembry ya, this is my first mombo in about 3
10 19:16:00 bembry it's just frustrating b/c it's not like this stuff is "that" new
10 19:17:00 auchter just look for server boards, those are guaranteed to be well supported
10 19:22:00 tommost Well, pizza's done.
10 19:23:00 andy753421 auchter: and guaranteed to be expensive
10 19:23:00 bembry exactly why I don't want a server board
10 19:24:00 bembry I already have a antec p180 case
10 19:27:00 andy753421 man believe it or not, i'm looking forward to getting back to Rose's network
10 19:27:00 tommost gasps
10 19:28:00 bembry do you need your head checked?
10 19:29:00 andy753421 well, if i could get more than 10K/s download speeds, and perhaps less than 150ms ping times..
10 19:30:00 andy753421 oh, and if all my pings actually returned, that would be nice too
10 19:30:00 bembry who's your ISP?
10 19:31:00 andy753421 university of oklahoma apparently
10 19:31:00 bembry lol
10 19:31:00 andy753421 i can't even traceroute to figure out what's the problem because none of the packets return
10 19:31:00 bembry wow
10 19:33:00 andy753421 http://pastebin.com/m6a696325 :'(
10 19:33:00 tommost Ouch.
10 19:33:00 auchter nice prompt you have there
10 19:39:00 tommost Wait... he was here?
10 19:39:00 tommost Dang it. I wanted to tell him about his plant.
10 19:45:00 tommost povilusr_online: Congratulations on being online.
10 20:07:00 povilusr_online it because im using a web based client
10 20:09:00 tommost Again, congratulations.
10 20:20:00 Morasique how do a make an iso with normal (not 8.3) filenames? i'm using mkisofs -udf -o some.iso source/, but it truncates all my filenames
10 20:22:00 andy_not_online um, that command works fine for me
10 20:22:00 tommost -joliet-long?
10 20:23:00 Morasique tommost: no, joliet-long is for especially long filenames, the default should work fine
10 20:23:00 Morasique i'm not sure why it isn't
10 20:29:00 Morasique erm. it works if i add -r
10 20:29:00 Morasique which is a totally unrelated switch
10 20:30:00 tommost Bitmasking gone bad, perhaps?
10 20:33:00 Morasique i have no idea, but i'm going with it
10 20:56:00 tommost OMFG Bush is being interviewed as part of NBC's Olympic coverage.
10 20:56:00 tommost [mute]
10 21:18:00 tommost I wonder if the poor quality of the MPEG-2 encoding for the Olympics is because it's being done in real time.
10 21:27:00 andy_not_online i'd bet that NBC can afford a decent mpeg encoder
10 21:27:00 andy_not_online my guess would be to save bandwidth
10 21:28:00 andy_not_online (are you watching online?)
10 21:28:00 andy_not_online probably also to get you to watch on TV..
10 21:28:00 tommost No, TV.
10 21:29:00 tommost It's not like there are any subcarriers, either.
10 21:29:00 andy_not_online hm.. looks fine to me
10 21:29:00 andy_not_online are you watching on an HD tv or anything?
10 21:29:00 tommost Yeah.
10 21:30:00 andy_not_online oko
10 21:31:00 andy_not_online i guess that means i'll have to trade you TVs, you know, that way the MEPG compression won't look so bad for you
10 21:31:00 auchter it makes me mad the NBC has exclusive coverage in the US
10 21:31:00 auchter ooh, on the bright side i'll be back in detroit friday... CBC usually at least has decent coverage.
10 21:32:00 tommost You get their signal in Detroit?
10 21:32:00 auchter yeah, and all of the cable carriers have it too
10 21:33:00 tommost Nice.
10 21:34:00 tommost Damn it, they keep screwing up.
10 21:34:00 auchter damn it, they keep broadcasting sports i don't care about
10 21:35:00 tommost You don't like gymnastics?
10 21:35:00 auchter not particularly, and yet it's on my tv right now
10 21:36:00 andy_not_online auchter: what do you prefer?
10 21:36:00 tommost Holy shit!
10 21:36:00 auchter badminton, table tennis, shooting, sailing, rowing, etc.
10 21:38:00 tommost Do they put the less popular sports on cable channels I don't get?
10 21:38:00 tommost I'd like to see fencing.
10 21:38:00 andy_not_online gymnastics is impressive though, i can shoot a gun and row a boat (given, not that well) but I can't do any of that flipping stuff
10 21:38:00 andy_not_online tommost: fencing was on yesterday
10 21:38:00 tommost What‽ Damn.
10 21:38:00 tommost Must have happened when I was moving to Percopo.
10 21:39:00 andy_not_online i don't remember what channel it was on, i've been watching NBC, CNBC, and MSNBC
10 21:40:00 Morasique don't they all show the same footage?
10 21:40:00 andy_not_online Morasique: i haven't seen anything being duplicated yet, but they might show the same thing but just at different times
10 21:42:00 auchter yeah, i have to agree, gymnastics is pretty impressive... boggles my mind how they do some of this stuff
10 21:43:00 octavious during the winter olympics, i always find myself watching curling...
10 21:44:00 auchter octavious: yeah, i do too... it's an oddly captivating sport
10 21:44:00 andy_not_online yea, i tried doing curling once, it was fun, but none of us know how to use the brooms correctly
10 21:45:00 octavious my RA freshman year knew way too much about curling. i would watch it with him and he would go on about techniques, scoring, history, etc...
10 21:46:00 andy_not_online haha, who was that?
10 21:46:00 octavious John Meyer
10 22:02:00 auchter andy_plan9: ?
10 22:03:00 andy_plan9 yep, via ircc
10 22:03:00 andy_plan9 although, i'm not seeing anyone else talking, which is a bit strange..
10 22:03:00 auchter how do you mean?
10 22:04:00 andy_plan9 i see your text showing up on my laptop, but only my words are being echoed by ircc
10 22:04:00 auchter odd
10 22:04:00 auchter i've only used ircrc on plan9
10 22:05:00 andy_plan9 i figured i would try them both and see which I liked better
10 22:06:00 auchter ircrc fascinated me because it was pure rc ;)
10 22:07:00 andy_plan9 oh, well there's your text, it was only a few minutes late
10 22:08:00 andy_plan9 i don't know whether to blame ircc or my network connection, or both
10 22:18:00 auchter andy_not_online: so i take it you got your venti (or was it fossil?) issues figured out?
10 22:21:00 andy753421 auchter: different computer ;)
10 22:21:00 andy753421 auchter: i think it's a problem with the sdahci driver so i'll probably have to recompile the kernel and try to debug that somehow
10 22:21:00 andy753421 i e-mail some guy who worked on it but haven't gotten an answer :/
10 22:22:00 auchter erik, by any chance?
10 22:22:00 tommost http://137.112.99.22/wiki/igvc/hardware/chassis
10 22:22:00 andy753421 `dd -if /dev/sdE0 -of /dev/null' usually errors before around 2000 bytes
10 22:22:00 andy753421 auchter: yea that guy
10 22:23:00 auchter ok, because i saw that he had a sdahci.c on his website
10 22:23:00 auchter i didn't know the difference between his and the one in the distribution, though
10 22:24:00 andy753421 i believe they are the same
10 22:24:00 auchter ok, i didn't take the time to do a diff
10 22:24:00 andy753421 yea, i haven't either, there might be some version differences but i think he wrote the one in the distrobution
10 22:25:00 auchter i think i'm likely just going to do venti under plan9port once i switch from solaris
10 22:25:00 auchter i really doubt that my sata controller will be supported
10 22:25:00 andy753421 does your sata controller support ahci?
10 22:26:00 andy753421 if it does, it 'should' work but just hasn't been tested yet
10 22:26:00 auchter no idea, i'm not sure what controller i have
10 22:27:00 auchter tommost: ooh, and octagon
10 22:27:00 auchter s/d//
10 22:28:00 tommost Nick's also looking into camera stabilization. andy753421: How stable does the camera need to be?
10 22:29:00 andy753421 probably depend on the definition of stable, but i don't really know yet
10 22:33:00 tommost I think that he meant "stable" to mean "without sudden changes in position".
10 22:35:00 andy753421 i don't really know what that means either..
10 22:36:00 tommost He gave the mechanics of the steadicam camera stabilization system as an example. I told him to ask you about it, so he'll probably be in here tomorrow doing so.
10 22:37:00 andy753421 alright, i don't really know much about mechanical engineering so I'm not sure
10 22:40:00 octavious i cant use addiator to tunnel my traffic via ssh, can I?
10 22:41:00 octavious i need to access some IEEE stuff, and i am too lazy to set up VPN, heh
10 22:41:00 auchter octavious: ssh -D
10 22:43:00 octavious awesome. much cheaper solution than setting up VPN
10 22:44:00 tommost There should be a page on the wiki that lists ssh -D commands for common stuff like that.
10 22:46:00 andy753421 I don't know how well -D will work for that..
10 22:46:00 octavious worked fine, actually
10 22:46:00 andy753421 oh, alright then
10 22:47:00 andy753421 what were you accessing?
10 22:47:00 octavious but apparently we only have access to articles writen in 1998 or later
10 22:47:00 auchter i've had troubles accessing *any* IEEE articles at rose...
10 22:47:00 octavious i am doing some research on multi-touch computing, and was looking for a paper written in 1961
10 22:48:00 octavious on PLATO
10 22:48:00 octavious one of the first computers to have a 16x16 touchscreen interface
10 22:49:00 octavious the PLATO IV anyway..
10 22:50:00 auchter heh, that's pretty cool
10 22:51:00 octavious yeah, i have to write a paper for ECE361, which i am enrolled in over the summer...figured it would be an interesting topic
10 22:52:00 octavious also, i am writing it using LaTeX, which I found IEEE format document classes...
10 22:52:00 octavious now i need to learn the bibtex format.
10 22:53:00 auchter bibtex is easy and excellent, especially when you're researching through sites which automatically generate bibtex citations (like jstor)
10 23:34:00 povilusr_online so i just got a 8Gb flash thumb drive for 20$
10 23:35:00 povilusr_online office max, but they may be out
10 23:41:00 Morasique povilusr_online: mibbit.com? you can't find an irc client?
10 23:47:00 povilusr_online no, im on my moms machine
10 23:47:00 povilusr_online im at a hotell at nite her apr is really small
10 23:47:00 povilusr_online apartment*
10 23:47:00 povilusr_online but im helping her move
10 23:50:00 Morasique i see
11 00:04:00 Blazeix povilusr_online: Nice, I've been eyeing an 8 gb flash drive from sandisk for a while.
11 00:04:00 Blazeix Its amazing how fast the prices are coming down.
11 00:05:00 povilusr_online that was a special deel just this week
11 00:05:00 povilusr_online it was sandisk
11 00:05:00 povilusr_online office max
11 00:06:00 povilusr_online is was suposed to be 30 in the add but the store said 20 os i payed less
11 00:06:00 Blazeix I bought a 1 Gb flash drive a few years ago for about $50 dollars, now amazon is selling the same model except 2 Gb for $12
11 00:06:00 povilusr_online yeah
11 00:07:00 Blazeix cool, what model?
11 00:08:00 povilusr_online cruser
11 00:08:00 povilusr_online micro
11 00:09:00 povilusr_online sdcz6-8192rb?
11 00:09:00 povilusr_online im installin ubuntu on it as we speek
11 00:09:00 Blazeix nice.
11 00:10:00 Blazeix I tried to install ubuntu on my roommates laptop last night. It was a total abject failure.
11 00:10:00 Morasique Blazeix: i held out forever and finally bought a dvd burner, right before they like halved in price
11 00:10:00 povilusr_online 8 gb is almos half the size of the eeepc's hdd so i can have 2 linuxes
11 00:10:00 Morasique did you ask him, or was it a stealth install while he was sleeping
11 00:10:00 povilusr_online Morasique: arent those in our laptops
11 00:11:00 Blazeix my roommate doesn't have a working cd drive, so we tried a usb installed, which failed, and the new Wubi thing, which also failed.
11 00:11:00 Blazeix s/installed/install/
11 00:11:00 Mishtal i bought a 4 gig kingston flashdrive for 50 dollars, now i can purchase a 16 gig drive for 20. :-(
11 00:12:00 povilusr_online there are no 16gigs our there for under 50
11 00:12:00 Blazeix Yeah, I held out on buying a 4 gig since you can't quite fit a dvd image on there, which is the main reason I'd upgrade from a 1 gig.
11 00:12:00 Mishtal well, the lesson i learned was "dont buy flash drives"
11 00:13:00 povilusr_online the lesson should be wait for them to come on sale, or buy not top of the line
11 00:14:00 tommost Yeah, well that's just a general technology purchasing rule.
11 00:15:00 tommost http://www.rhitrobotics.org/wiki/internal/joining-irc
11 00:15:00 povilusr_online true dat
11 00:17:00 kleinjt tommost: http://www.rhitrobotics.org/ fails to load for me, do I need to be on the rose-hulman network?
11 00:18:00 povilusr_online fo shizzle my nizzle
11 00:18:00 tommost Oh, yeah. andy753421: What's going on there?
11 00:18:00 andy753421 bah, i don't know
11 00:18:00 tommost http://137.112.99.22/wiki/internal/joining-irc
11 00:19:00 povilusr_online we should have a ebonics day on lugchat
11 00:20:00 tommost ebonics?
11 00:20:00 Morasique tommost: you poor, sheltered white guy
11 00:20:00 povilusr_online http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=darth%20vader%20ebonics&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#
11 00:21:00 Morasique or you could just read wikipedia
11 00:21:00 tommost Er, I meant that what he said made no sense.
11 00:21:00 Morasique oh. approximately 90% of all things povilusr says make no sense
11 00:22:00 Morasique there's an #rhrt?
11 00:22:00 povilusr_online dont tell me that video is not hilareous
11 00:22:00 tommost Honestly, I hadn't clicked onit.
11 00:22:00 Morasique neither did i
11 00:22:00 povilusr_online it is truly funny
11 00:22:00 kleinjt I checked it, it is a rick roll
11 00:22:00 Morasique i say "dather vader ebonics" and decided to pass
11 00:22:00 povilusr_online you have to see it once
11 00:24:00 Morasique tommost: skip it
11 00:24:00 tommost Too late. I experienced about thirty seconds of it before I decided it wasn't funny.
11 00:25:00 Morasique sorry, i tried :)
11 00:25:00 povilusr_online you guys have no sence of humor, my 50 yo mom thinks its funny
11 00:27:00 Morasique well, normally my sense of humor does mirror 50 year old women's, but it must be off tonight
11 00:29:00 tommost With the other officers' approval, I'm going to register #rhrt.
11 00:30:00 povilusr_online i aprove, but we have no money so i have no say
11 00:30:00 tommost povilusr_online: Um, huh?
11 00:30:00 povilusr_online i am treasurer
11 00:30:00 andy753421 tommost: #rhitrobotics ?
11 00:30:00 tommost Not of the Robotics Team you're not.
11 00:30:00 povilusr_online oh
11 00:30:00 povilusr_online though that was for lug
11 00:31:00 povilusr_online getting a nother channell
11 00:31:00 tommost andy753421: Er, well, I just took a bunch of screenshots involving #rhrt.
11 00:31:00 povilusr_online for wierd discusson
11 00:31:00 tommost See the above link.
11 00:31:00 kleinjt don't make tom boot up windows again
11 00:31:00 shadghost lol
11 00:31:00 shadghost windows--
11 00:31:00 andy753421 alright
11 00:32:00 shadghost how is everyone doing?
11 00:32:00 andy753421 so you weren't so much asking as telling ;)
11 00:32:00 tommost Well, I have been hanging out there for the last month ;)
11 00:32:00 shadghost kleinjt: how is the eee
11 00:32:00 andy753421 oh, i didn't even know it existed
11 00:33:00 Morasique we should have #rhlug2, this one is so overcrowded
11 00:33:00 andy753421 have you mentioned this before when i was offline?
11 00:33:00 shadghost you should see squarebanks some times
11 00:34:00 Morasique shadghost: i was kidding :)
11 00:34:00 tommost Dang it, this form is confusing.
11 00:34:00 Morasique we go all day without anybody speaking
11 00:34:00 Morasique kleinjt joined #rhlug2, sent me a frowny face and left
11 00:35:00 kleinjt Morasique: The frowny face was to the channel, for being unhappy and empty
11 00:35:00 Morasique well, i am the channel at the moment
11 00:35:00 Morasique we're up to 3 people. this is exciting
11 00:35:00 Morasique povilusr_online just joined and said "first post"
11 00:36:00 povilusr_online its easy because it only requires a click
11 00:36:00 shadghost said =P
11 00:36:00 Morasique apparently missing my message from 20 seconds ago where i said kleinjt posted a frowny face
11 00:36:00 povilusr_online wow my humor is waaaaaayyy over your heads =P
11 00:36:00 kleinjt wow, linking first post to a mouse click is an amazing idea. somebody should write a plugin for firefox for slashdot first posting though
11 00:37:00 Morasique povilusr_online: yes, your wit frequently escapes us all
11 00:37:00 povilusr_online no, adding a channel in this online client requires a click
11 00:38:00 shadghost kleinjt++
11 00:39:00 kleinjt shadghost: I don't understand. --shadghost ?
11 00:40:00 shadghost in the two main channles that i am in it gives karma points
11 00:40:00 tommost Is there something magical about midnight that makes Alaskans appear?
11 00:40:00 shadghost midnight?
11 00:40:00 kleinjt tommost: It isn't midnight..
11 00:40:00 shadghost way off
11 00:40:00 tommost It is here.
11 00:40:00 shadghost no but if you bring alchoal it brings fairbanks people arround
11 00:40:00 kleinjt It is ~8:40 here, if you can't do the conversion in your head
11 00:41:00 kleinjt and I'm not in fairbanks
11 00:41:00 shadghost There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?
11 00:41:00 Blazeix hahahahahhahahah ~
11 00:41:00 shadghost should have not drank last night
11 00:42:00 kleinjt fairbanks isn't as civilized as anchorage
11 00:42:00 shadghost The first time you sell a gun is a lot like the first time you have sex. You have absolutely no idea what you're doing, but it is exciting…and one way or another it's over way too fast.
11 00:42:00 shadghost no anchorage is just a suburb of seattle
11 00:43:00 kleinjt it is a pretty long commute, and uh.. lets continue this arguement on MSN
11 00:43:00 Morasique is shadghost in some sort of trivia mode?
11 00:43:00 tommost No, he's broken.
11 00:43:00 shadghost no just watching lord of war
11 00:43:00 Morasique same thing
11 00:43:00 shadghost i love the opening of it
11 00:44:00 Morasique we should have karma points here, except then i would have 0 and be sad inside. i suppose we can stick with our voice/devoice mechanism
11 00:44:00 povilusr_online going back to my hotel room, nite
11 00:44:00 shadghost is not on msn
11 00:45:00 Morasique you know irc supports private messaging, you could use that if you want
11 00:45:00 tommost Personally, I am mildly entertained by shadghost.
11 00:45:00 Morasique it doesn't matter to me, but kleinjt wanted him to get on msn so they could talk
11 00:45:00 shadghost is done with random quotes
11 00:45:00 Morasique they could just talk on irc
11 00:45:00 shadghost unless if it is firefly
11 00:46:00 tommost Firefly!
11 00:46:00 Morasique i still haven't seen firefly, i should work on that
11 00:46:00 shadghost ok i have centerim installed now
11 00:46:00 shadghost WHAT!
11 00:46:00 Morasique tommost: interrobang, quick!
11 00:46:00 shadghost if only i could get a ftp out of the network
11 00:46:00 tommost ‽
11 00:46:00 Morasique that is not an interrobang
11 00:46:00 shadghost is still on uaf network
11 00:47:00 tommost That is.
11 00:47:00 Morasique oh. apparently it displays as a ? for me
11 00:47:00 tommost More importantly, how have you not yet seen Firefly?
11 00:47:00 shadghost yes
11 00:47:00 kleinjt yes, he has seen it
11 00:47:00 tommost Morasique: I'm sad for you. I use them all the time. You're missing out.
11 00:47:00 shadghost any one have a ftp server i can up load firefly onto for him
11 00:47:00 Morasique shadghost: i'm perfectly capable of getting my own firefly if i want
11 00:47:00 Morasique i'll watch it sometime
11 00:48:00 Morasique tommost: i'm sad too :'(
11 00:48:00 tommost I have DVDs.
11 00:48:00 tommost is proud
11 00:48:00 shadghost me too
11 00:48:00 Morasique i may borrow those. i'm sure it's on waste too
11 00:48:00 Blazeix I haven't seen it either. I think Joel has DVDs, so we can watch it at school
11 00:48:00 shadghost has the dvd and on comp
11 00:48:00 Morasique score
11 00:48:00 Blazeix Or maybe its ZetaSyanthis that has dvds
11 00:48:00 tommost It's also on Hulu.
11 00:48:00 tommost Yeah, I have VOBs too.
11 00:48:00 Morasique hmm. so we're definitely covered then
11 00:49:00 Morasique firefly is available for all
11 00:50:00 shadghost firefly++
11 00:52:00 karma gives firefly karma
11 00:52:00 tommost Morasique: Do you have a script for joining IRC and saying something one-off yet?
11 00:53:00 Morasique i was just thinking that i should do that
11 00:53:00 kleinjt tommost: You just gave me an idea. I could make markbot kick a person every time they say something.
11 00:53:00 Morasique it doesn't come up very often, but it would be handy
11 00:53:00 Morasique er. anytime they say anything? that might be bad
11 00:54:00 tommost kleinjt: How is that not the first thing that it occurred to you to make markbot do?
11 00:54:00 tommost And where is he, anyway? Did you get him running on that embedded Linux system yet?
11 00:54:00 kleinjt tommost: lack of insight
11 00:55:00 Morasique i wonder if we could convince it to kick itself
11 00:55:00 jboticsource kleinjt: what day do you come back 2 rose?
11 00:55:00 tommost Yes, markbot should track karma.
11 00:55:00 kleinjt tommost: and no, I've been busy not working on other projects like building an acoustically copuled modem to get around paying for data packages
11 00:55:00 kleinjt jboticsource: ~September 3rd
11 00:55:00 tommost kleinjt: Tell me more.
11 00:56:00 shadghost should be in denali np in that time frame
11 00:57:00 kleinjt tommost: Something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_coupler, basically a device with a speaker and a microphone which you stick on the phone. The circuit I've got drawn up will permit for a blazingly fast 300 baud connection.
11 00:57:00 jboticsource kleinjt: we were hoping to have a moving robot for teh career far, dang
11 00:57:00 tommost auchter: When will you be in Terre Haute?
11 00:57:00 tommost kleinjt: Is this for your cell phone?
11 00:58:00 Morasique you mean the activities fair?
11 00:58:00 tommost Morasique: He does.
11 00:58:00 Morasique mmk
11 00:58:00 jboticsource oops sry, yea activites fair
11 00:59:00 tommost auchter, kleinjt: Put things up on the wiki! Make us look like we exist!
11 00:59:00 kleinjt tommost: Yes, or a amateur radio, or loudspeakers, or modulated light
11 00:59:00 tommost kleinjt: Cool.
11 00:59:00 shadghost tommost++
11 00:59:00 shadghost that was funny
11 00:59:00 tommost shadghost: We lost a lot of stuff in two hard drive failures this summer. Our web site is rather bare.
11 01:00:00 kleinjt ‽
11 01:00:00 shadghost at the same time?
11 01:00:00 kleinjt We lost two hard drives?
11 01:00:00 tommost kleinjt++
11 01:00:00 tommost Yeah.
11 01:00:00 shadghost wow
11 01:00:00 kleinjt do we have a server?
11 01:00:00 shadghost not even raid 5 would like that
11 01:00:00 tommost Yes—however, its disk is about 5 years old.
11 01:01:00 tommost It's scary.
11 01:01:00 tommost http://137.112.99.22/
11 01:01:00 shadghost 5 years!
11 01:01:00 shadghost do you realise how many years of uptime they design hd's for
11 01:01:00 tommost The 1 year old one died.
11 01:01:00 Morasique tommost: you should add the ++/-- check to logview and show the count in the summary table
11 01:01:00 tommost Morasique: I'll add it to my list.
11 01:01:00 Morasique yay!
11 01:02:00 Morasique how long is this list?
11 01:02:00 kleinjt feel free to use my black box as a server. since I can't access it..
11 01:02:00 tommost http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Logview
11 01:02:00 tommost Well, I think we're set for the moment.
11 01:03:00 Morasique oh, i had no idea there was a wiki page
11 01:03:00 shadghost where is this lung log?
11 01:03:00 Morasique i recall you adding other things i mentioned to the list; i'm suspicious
11 01:03:00 tommost I'm going to set up a very frequent backup job as soon as I get to it.
11 01:03:00 tommost Morasique: The list didn't actually exist until 30 seconds ago.
11 01:03:00 Morasique yes, that was my suspicion
11 01:04:00 tommost shadghost: http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-08.log
11 01:04:00 andy753421 Morasique: ln -s /dev/null luglog/list.txt
11 01:05:00 tommost Yeah, andy753421 doesn't like feature creep.
11 01:05:00 shadghost needs to get higher in the score board
11 01:05:00 tommost andy753421: Did you file a ticket with IAIT about DNS?
11 01:05:00 Morasique bah. his opinion doesn't matter
11 01:05:00 tommost Morasique: He's the one that has to do "svn up".
11 01:06:00 Morasique you could ask very nicely
11 01:06:00 andy753421 auchter: badminton is on CNBC if you didn't know
11 01:07:00 Morasique i didn't even know badminton was an olympic sport
11 01:14:00 tommost Oh no.
11 01:14:00 povilusr-laptop soo even after a reeboot the xfce menubars at the top and bottom of the screen are not loading
11 01:15:00 povilusr-laptop the desktop is showing up though
11 01:15:00 andy753421 tommost: have not asked yet
11 01:25:00 povilusr-laptop anybody got any ideas on the xfce menue not loading thing?
11 01:26:00 povilusr-laptop also-> http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ ausome
11 01:50:00 povilusr-laptop on the 20$ 8 gb stick note, check woot.com
11 02:43:00 andy753421 tommost: ticket submitted
11 02:43:00 andy753421 I think i'll ask for an update on lug.rose-hulman.edu as well
11 03:36:00 andy753421 woo, i updated the kernel on the new machine and now the ahci drivers don't error and the mouse works =D
11 11:18:00 Morasique i freed a bunch of space on my rose mailbox, but i keep getting sporadic e-mails saying I'm over. I won't get one for like a day, and then I get one, and no more after that even though I'm not touching my mailbox
11 11:40:00 andy753421 lame, they're not going to delegate the lug.rose-hulman.edu domain to us so we're going to have to use some silly client software that they install on addiator
11 11:43:00 jboticsourc1 what was the reasoning behind that?
11 11:43:00 andy753421 something about the infoblox software they're using for dns/dhcp things
11 11:45:00 auchter ...tell them to get a sane dhcp and dns servers?
11 11:47:00 auchter so what is this software that we'll have to install?
11 11:49:00 andy753421 i don't think we have to install anything, they're going to put some infoblox client on addiator that we can use to manage the subdomain
11 11:50:00 andy753421 (maybe there'll be an option to add a NS record, heh heh)
11 11:51:00 auchter ah, ok, the addiator part confuse[ds] me
11 11:53:00 andy753421 they said they didn't want other DNS servers running on the network (for whatever reason..) so I don't know what that's going to mean for rhitrobotics.org
11 11:53:00 andy753421 i filed a separate ticket about that but haven't got a response yet
11 12:03:00 Morasique i would bet that addiator tool will let you add an NS record and they'd never notice
11 12:03:00 jboticsourc1 what is ns record?
11 12:04:00 Morasique it says what nameserver handles a request
11 12:05:00 Morasique so he could tell the rose dns server that lug.rose-hulman.edu is handled by our nameserver instead of theirs
11 12:05:00 jboticsourc1 oh ic...nifty
11 12:06:00 Morasique one of my blog posts got redditted today: http://71.98.91.137/graph.png
11 13:12:00 Morasique http://www.lindependence.net/
11 16:39:00 auchter woah, what the hell did they do to sourceforge
11 16:39:00 andy753421 they web 2.0'd it
11 16:40:00 auchter bastards
11 16:40:00 andy753421 yea, the download page still won't give you a direct link
11 16:41:00 andy753421 personally, i prefer 'Index of: /'
11 16:41:00 auchter i'm sure they're still doing that crazy roundrobin dns thing they do, too
11 16:42:00 auchter usually the first thing i do is put an entry for dl.sourceforge.net in my hosts file so it actually works reliably...
11 16:56:00 Morasique i noticed the orange theme earlier today but i didn't realize they'd completely changed stuff
11 16:57:00 andy753421 this codebase makes me sad.. http://pastebin.com/m7217f188
11 17:00:00 Morasique :D that's awesome
11 17:09:00 auchter looks like a whole lot of java that i see...
11 17:19:00 Mishtal1 for those of you who like converting your friends, it might be worth taking a look at warzone2100, bos wars, globulation2, and vegastrike
11 17:25:00 tommost Are pretty much all USB flash drives bootable?
11 17:25:00 tommost I'm eyeing the Woot one.
11 17:25:00 andy753421 tommost: yes
11 17:25:00 auchter converting them into what? unproductive game playing drones? if so, sign me up
11 17:26:00 andy753421 tommost: do you get a shipping discount for ordering multiple stuffs off woot?
11 17:26:00 auchter strange that woot explicitly mentions 2.6...
11 17:26:00 tommost In the sense that the shipping is the same no matter how many you order, yes.
11 17:27:00 tommost Morasique: No edit war necessary.
11 17:27:00 andy753421 tommost: if you get one, you should get one for me as well
11 17:28:00 andy753421 and then i'll pay you back when school starts
11 17:28:00 tommost Sure.
11 17:28:00 andy753421 my 128 mb flash drive is getting a little old
11 17:28:00 tommost Anyone else what me to get them one?
11 17:28:00 andy753421 ah, if only the lug had money ;)
11 17:29:00 auchter eh, sure, for $22
11 17:30:00 tommost Okay.
11 17:30:00 andy753421 i've been waiting till +5.7Gb ones became cheapish
11 17:30:00 auchter indeed, there's something to be said about storing a dvd on a thumb drive...
11 17:33:00 tommost Okay, I've ordered them.
11 17:33:00 auchter send me a bill, i'll likely forget otherwise
11 17:34:00 andy753421 don't worry about sending me a bill, you can just pay for it instead :P
11 17:34:00 auchter heh, looking through my email, it appears that i owe collinjc a dollar yet...
11 17:34:00 andy753421 somebody owes me a bunch of money
11 17:34:00 andy753421 glares at jboticsource
11 17:35:00 collinjc Haha! I had totally forgotten about that.
11 17:35:00 auchter collinjc: as had i... it was likely due to once of the pizza incidents
11 17:35:00 auchter my head still hurts from ordering pizza, we need a script to do this for us
11 17:35:00 collinjc I believe it was.
11 17:36:00 collinjc My little brother claims to be working on such a script.
11 17:36:00 auchter tommost: good job on making the lug black market obvious to IAIT
11 17:36:00 tommost Yeah, sorry about that.
11 17:36:00 collinjc He says that it will order pizza based on a cron job and that it will randomly choose topings.
11 17:37:00 auchter collinjc: that sounds like an incredibly bad idea
11 17:37:00 tommost I blame Thunderbird and Enigmail for making it impossible to set that account to be PGP'd by default.
11 17:37:00 collinjc I said the same. I wish he, his credit card, and his taste buds the best.
11 17:37:00 tommost We need to make a robot that makes pizza according to Andy's recipe.
11 17:39:00 auchter no, we need a website that sells shares in pizza
11 17:39:00 andy753421 didn't Morasique post a pizza script the other day?
11 17:39:00 collinjc I say that the robotics club ditches the idea of an autonomous robot which simply travels through an obstacle course in favor of an autonomous pizza bot.
11 17:39:00 auchter i'm thinking something like intrade, but for pizza
11 17:39:00 andy753421 you could just try putting all the ingredients in a break maker and see what happens ;)
11 17:40:00 andy753421 *bread maker
11 17:42:00 tommost My dad makes pizza crusts in a bread maker; I doubt that the rest would do so well, though.
11 17:43:00 auchter we need a cracker-crust pizza making robot...
11 17:52:00 tommost Perhaps this should be a LUG and robotics team joint venture.
11 17:52:00 tommost Two promotional budgets are larger than one.
11 17:52:00 auchter perhaps we should just stay focused on our individual goals...
11 17:53:00 andy753421 just pawn it off as someone's senior project
11 17:53:00 auchter hey, i'm going to need one of those.
11 17:53:00 tommost LUG goal: eat pizza (and use Linux)
11 17:53:00 tommost RHRT goal: eat pizza (and make robots)
11 17:53:00 tommost solution: pizza-making robot that runs Linux
11 17:54:00 auchter speaking of pizza-based clubs, i hear the thorn gets quite a bit of pizza...
11 17:55:00 tommost Yes.
11 17:55:00 tommost Lots.
11 17:55:00 andy753421 promotional budget, or do they have some other source of funding?
11 17:55:00 tommost Ads.
11 17:55:00 auchter apparently they don' tget SGA funding...
11 17:55:00 andy753421 ah, ok
11 18:01:00 tommost Speaking of robots, how are the electronics for ours coming along?
11 18:03:00 auchter there are plans, and then there's the result of the plans
11 18:03:00 auchter the latter do not exist
11 18:03:00 auchter anyway, i'm going to get pizza. i'll think about this.
11 18:04:00 Morasique yeah, me too
11 18:04:00 Morasique er. ignore that
11 18:04:00 Morasique irc needs a /retract
11 18:17:00 auchter ok, so more electtronics progress will be made once i have access to tools again
11 18:17:00 tommost You need access to physical tools? Why?
11 18:18:00 auchter because i've grown tired of stripping wires to my teeth and soldering with my stove
11 18:18:00 auchter s/to/with/
11 18:19:00 tommost Oh, so your plans are complete?
11 18:19:00 auchter oh no
11 18:19:00 auchter but some tests are necessary
11 18:19:00 tommost Well, best put stuff up on the wiki now.
11 19:09:00 Morasique http://www.seriosity.com/attent.html
11 19:10:00 Morasique it would entertain me to see the effect that system would have on all campus e-mails
11 19:13:00 tommost I don't think that it would work since the number of people who can send all-campus e-mails is tiny compared to the number of people who have to receive them.
11 19:20:00 Morasique well, i think you use more points the more people you send to, so they would either have to ration their e-mail usage or send to more focused groups that actually care
11 19:21:00 tommost I think that they would more likely end up with an extra allotment of points to compensate for the "need" to send important all-campus e-mails.
11 19:22:00 tommost I still think that an "undo" button would be a good solution for 1/3 of all-campus e-mails, which are corrections to previous all-campus e-mails.
11 19:22:00 auchter i stopped reading after the second trademarked logo
11 19:23:00 Morasique actually, exchange does support e-mail retraction, but nobody ever uses it
11 19:23:00 tommost Yeah, I can't say I read most of it. Summary: market solution to useless e-mail.
11 19:23:00 tommost Oooo... it does?
11 19:24:00 auchter yeah, who cares about rfc2822? it's just a stupid piece of paper
11 19:24:00 Morasique i think you have to use outlook though, i doubt other clients support it
11 19:24:00 tommost Well, pretty much all of them use Outlook, so that's not an obstacle.
11 19:24:00 Morasique and it doesn't auto-delete the e-mail, it prompts the recipient first, which removes some of the usefulness
11 19:25:00 Morasique http://secretstate.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/recall-mail-outlook-retract/
11 19:30:00 auchter tommost: did you ever get around to adding me to wheel on rt-black?
11 19:31:00 tommost There doesn't appear to be a wheel.
11 19:31:00 tommost Just su to rtadmin.
11 19:31:00 auchter no, i want sudo
11 19:31:00 tommost sighs
11 19:31:00 tommost Okay, I'll set it up.
11 19:32:00 auchter and what/why is rtadmin?
11 19:32:00 tommost The administrator user.
11 19:32:00 auchter uhh...
11 19:32:00 tommost A user not dependent on LDAP.
11 19:32:00 auchter root is dependent on LDAP?
11 19:32:00 tommost No.
11 19:33:00 tommost Root is sudo su.
11 19:33:00 auchter oh. right. ubuntu.
11 19:34:00 Morasique i detect a certain amount of contempt
11 19:34:00 tommost As do I.
11 19:36:00 auchter and do you have a plugin to capitalize for you? i've never seen anyone capitalize 'root' (nor should it be...)
11 19:36:00 Morasique he capitalizes his sentences
11 19:36:00 Morasique like an english major or something
11 19:37:00 auchter so i've noticed, but that doesn't excuse capitalizing 'root'
11 19:37:00 tommost sniffs arrogantly
11 19:37:00 tommost Honestly, I do it automatically.
11 19:37:00 tommost I have to think about not capitalizing, and I failed.
11 19:37:00 auchter that must with OSes that are case sensitive...
11 19:38:00 Morasique i don't capitalize on aim/irc, but i do in e-mails, and i don't think about either. i'm not sure how it works
11 19:39:00 auchter yeah, typing emails or papers or what-have-you, i automatically capitalize
11 19:39:00 tommost Yeah, I even backspace to correct capitalization without thinking about it... and then when I'm correcting it I think, why did I bother?
11 19:39:00 auchter i also seem to type faster then.... there might be a connection
11 19:40:00 Blazeix hmm. I upgraded my kernel, now starcraft via wine freezes my computer to the point where the magic sysrq keys don't work
11 19:40:00 Blazeix :( No starcraft for me.
11 19:40:00 auchter so sad
11 19:40:00 auchter i'm losing faith in ubuntu if it takes this long to add a user to sudoers...
11 19:41:00 tommost Huh? Oh. I was watching the News Hour.
11 19:41:00 tommost ...in HD.
11 19:41:00 Morasique auchter: i'm pretty sure it's the same :)
11 19:42:00 auchter i'm listening to music and that hasn't made me forget about getting sudo access
11 19:43:00 Morasique obviously tommost hates you
11 19:43:00 auchter yes, i've begun to suspect as much
11 19:44:00 tommost Okay, you've been added.
11 19:46:00 auchter erm... http://rafb.net/p/I5xByQ32.html
11 19:46:00 auchter that's not exactly the result i had in mind...
11 19:46:00 tommost Hmm.
11 19:47:00 tommost Yeah, same for me.
11 19:47:00 auchter you're quicking making your point about how awesome^Whorrible ubuntu is
11 19:47:00 tommost Oh, I see. I think that I made a syntax error in sudoers.
11 19:48:00 tommost Or not.
11 19:48:00 tommost If you haven't picked this up I don't actually know how to edit sudoers.
11 19:48:00 Morasique you shouldn't even be editing sudoers, you should be adding auchtemm to the wheel group
11 19:48:00 Morasique /etc/group, there's a line that starts with "wheel"
11 19:49:00 tommost Actually, what I probably should be doing is adding him to the admin group.
11 19:49:00 tommost Which has sudo access.
11 19:49:00 Morasique oh. or that
11 19:49:00 tommost I'm just not sure how that will interact with LDAP.
11 19:49:00 Morasique i assume ldap is just a pam module, so it shouldn't do anything
11 19:49:00 auchter you are using visudo, right?
11 19:49:00 tommost No, duh.
11 19:50:00 auchter your sudoers file doesn't have this massive warning at the top? `# This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.'
11 19:51:00 tommost Indeed it does. Which would be why I use visudo to edit it. As root.
11 19:51:00 auchter i think i missed some hidden sarcasm there
11 19:51:00 Morasique confusion aside, i maintain that sudoers has nothing to do with this
11 19:52:00 tommost Yes, it was cleverly hidden in the word "duh".
11 19:52:00 auchter as do i, hence my original request
11 19:54:00 tommost I can't add users not in /etc/passwd to the admin group, but the group doesn't exist to the LDAP users.
11 19:55:00 Morasique you can't just add his username to the list in /etc/group?
11 19:55:00 Morasique or does that not work
11 19:55:00 tommost I suppose that I can try that.
11 19:55:00 auchter i don't know if that will work...
11 19:56:00 Morasique i would think it has to check your signed in username regardless of how you authenticated, otherwise nothing will work
11 19:57:00 tommost It didn't work for me.
11 19:57:00 auchter i would think it does it by uid, and i don't know how LDAP works with that
11 19:57:00 Morasique what's your userid?
11 19:58:00 Morasique you can run 'id' to check
11 19:58:00 auchter auchter: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_secure_OpenLDAP_network#Sudo_schema
11 19:58:00 auchter erm, tommost, that is
11 20:00:00 Morasique addiator lists afs usernames in /etc/group, so i would think ldap will work the same
11 20:00:00 tommost I tried the username and it didn't work; now I'll try the UID.
11 20:01:00 auchter which group did you add it to? i see a sudo group, which looks promising
11 20:01:00 tommost admin
11 20:01:00 tommost That's the only one mentioned in the sudoers file. Maybe you need both.
11 20:01:00 auchter tommost: it's comma separated, not : separated
11 20:02:00 auchter : are for field separation
11 20:02:00 tommost Okay.
11 20:03:00 tommost Nice, it worked.
11 20:03:00 tommost Okay, you have sudo.
11 20:03:00 auchter yay
11 20:10:00 Morasique dances
11 20:10:00 tommost Morasique: Not you.
11 20:10:00 tommost Unless you plan to join the team...?
11 20:10:00 auchter is surprise he's not being yelled at yet
11 20:13:00 tommost Damn p9p.
11 20:15:00 tommost You just had to build it, didn't you?
11 20:15:00 auchter why are there 50,000 apache2 threads?
11 20:15:00 auchter tommost: make is stupid.
11 20:16:00 tommost I didn't say anything about make. I deliberately avoided the word.
11 20:16:00 tommost Because apache2 wants 50,000 threads.
11 20:18:00 auchter and i don't know who was criticising pstree the other day, but whoever it was is mad
11 20:18:00 tommost htop FTW.
11 20:18:00 auchter watch -n1 pstree
11 20:19:00 Morasique er. if you're going to watch it then htop probably is better
11 20:19:00 tommost Yeah, this seems lame.
11 20:19:00 auchter nah, pstree's like a bloody spider all over the place
11 20:19:00 tommost It can kill things.
11 20:19:00 tommost /me cackles
11 20:20:00 auchter scarily enough, p9p's build completed just as you said that...
11 20:20:00 tommost Ooo, vim.
11 20:20:00 tommost Big surprise.
11 20:21:00 Morasique tommost: you're very big brother today
11 20:21:00 tommost Hey, he's watching me too.
11 20:24:00 tommost Ah, public key login.
11 20:24:00 tommost How beautiful it is.
11 20:24:00 auchter you scare me
11 20:30:00 tommost Who watches the watchers, eh?
11 20:32:00 auchter i have to admit, one of the names under the admin group scares me...
11 20:32:00 tommost :D
11 20:32:00 tommost Me too.
11 20:32:00 tommost Don't mention it.
11 20:32:00 auchter you sure you didn't confuse that username with another that starts with a `k'
11 20:32:00 tommost Oh, yes, he should be there.
11 20:33:00 auchter so... how are those automated backups coming along? ;)
11 20:33:00 tommost I haven't gotten to that yet.
11 20:33:00 tommost I've been thinking about it today.
11 20:34:00 auchter great, then giving everyone sudo access sounds like an excellent plan
11 20:34:00 auchter haha
11 20:34:00 Morasique dances
11 20:35:00 Morasique tommost: i like "mount-and-stay-mounted-dang-it"
11 20:36:00 tommost Thank you. I'm glad that someone finally noticed.
11 20:38:00 auchter reminds me of the proxy server i ran during high school
11 20:38:00 auchter i had *.phire.org pointed to my server, so i made up absurdly long subdomains insulting the sysadmins
11 20:38:00 tommost Hehe.
11 21:32:00 andy753421 auchter: do you know if there's anything like screen/vnc for plan 9?
11 21:33:00 auchter andy753421: plan9 has a vnc server
11 21:34:00 auchter i'm guessing there's nothing like screen
11 21:34:00 andy753421 hm, ok.. it'd be nice if you could bind together multiple rio sessions
11 21:35:00 auchter yeah, it'd be nice if you could do a lot of things...
11 21:36:00 auchter i think plan b or octopus or something was aiming to give persistent sessions
11 21:36:00 auchter though i'm probably getting confused
11 21:56:00 octavious i wish i knew legalese
11 21:59:00 auchter any reason why?
11 22:00:00 Morasique to confuse people who don't
11 22:00:00 octavious heh, deciphering an NDA. i dont think a company should ever have the right to what i design/invent off-the-job outside of the scope of the company's business
11 22:01:00 Morasique i argued with my company about mine, it basically said they had the right to anything i think of while working there, even if i'm not on the job
11 22:01:00 octavious yeah. that irks me.
11 22:01:00 auchter heh, reminds me of a quote from a movie
11 22:01:00 octavious i wonder how legally-sound or enforcable they are
11 22:02:00 auchter paraphrased: in nazi germany, oppression was out in the open and very obvious. in america, it's in the fine print of contracts
11 22:02:00 tommost Indeed.
11 22:03:00 auchter what's almost is bad is the "contamination period" for some things as well
11 22:12:00 andy753421 auchter: http://www.mail-archive.com/9fans@cse.psu.edu/msg15823.html
11 22:12:00 andy753421 any idea how those commands work?
11 22:19:00 auchter andy753421: no, i don't
11 22:20:00 auchter the piping to echo 0 is confusing me
11 22:21:00 andy753421 yea.. redirecting standard input from standard out confuses me as well..
11 22:23:00 auchter i thought i had an explanation for that, but upon typing it out it made no sense
11 22:25:00 andy753421 my best guess was that the echo creates the file and then the gets standard input connected from it.. or something..
11 22:28:00 auchter well, it definitely works...
11 22:31:00 auchter ah, i didn't realize that files created in /srv were not confined to the parent process's namespace
11 22:32:00 auchter that makes sense.
11 22:33:00 andy753421 are any files confined to the parent processes namespace?
11 22:34:00 andy753421 I thought that only applied to mount/bind things
11 22:34:00 auchter yes, you're right. and i think i'm going to end on a high note and go to sleep now
11 22:35:00 auchter three more days of work...
11 22:41:00 andy753421 yea.. i confuse that sometimes too
11 22:57:00 tommost Look who's here right on schedule.
11 22:58:00 Morasique looks
11 22:58:00 kleinjt looks around
11 22:59:00 jboticsource looks about
11 23:02:00 Morasique looks down on jboticsource's non-action
11 23:02:00 tommost leers
11 23:03:00 jboticsource ?
11 23:03:00 Morasique scoffs at jboticsource's confusion
11 23:05:00 jboticsource who is watching the olympics? [raises hand]
11 23:05:00 tommost Is there something interesting on?
11 23:06:00 jboticsource gynamasitcs
11 23:07:00 tommost turns on his tv
11 23:09:00 tommost Ooo... swimming.
11 23:10:00 Morasique er. something's wrong here :)
11 23:10:00 tommost Swimming is much better than gymnastics.
11 23:11:00 jboticsource archery is better than both
11 23:11:00 jboticsource combined
11 23:11:00 jboticsource with a cherry on top
11 23:11:00 Morasique i might actually watch archery if i had a tv
11 23:11:00 Morasique most olympic sports seem boring
11 23:11:00 tommost Have the women's gymnastics finals happened yet?
11 23:12:00 jboticsource dont know
11 23:12:00 tommost I'm curious if they're going to keep screwing up.
11 23:14:00 tommost Aw, gymnastics again.
11 23:14:00 tommost mutes
11 23:14:00 tommost unpauses Stargate
11 23:15:00 jboticsource nice
11 23:15:00 jboticsource i gots to go 2 bed. i need to be up extra early tomorrow to go take some data on the range.
11 23:31:00 auchter just as i decide i'm unable to sleep, everybody leaves
11 23:37:00 Morasique HI AUCHTER!
11 23:37:00 auchter why thank you
11 23:37:00 Morasique that was it. go watch the olympics
11 23:37:00 tommost I'm here too!
11 23:37:00 auchter ...for furthur encouraging me to be a zombie tomorrow
11 23:37:00 tommost Although I never really counted as awake.
11 23:37:00 Morasique what time zone are you in?
11 23:38:00 Morasique it's 11:30 here
11 23:38:00 auchter indeed, but i get into work by 7 so i can leave at a reasonable time before i go mad
11 23:38:00 Morasique ew
11 23:38:00 auchter and, i average about 3 hours of sleep per night
11 23:38:00 Morasique ...double ew
11 23:39:00 auchter except on the weekend, that brings me up to a respectable amount of sleep.
11 23:39:00 Morasique i sleep normal amounts during the week, and excessively on the weekend
11 23:48:00 Morasique somebody agree with me that cats are awesome
11 23:49:00 tommost I agree that poodles are awesome.
11 23:49:00 Morasique wrong
11 23:49:00 tommost They're sort of like cats, except intelligent and much cuter.
11 23:49:00 Morasique i hate you
11 23:50:00 Blazeix Morasique: cats are awesome, but I've stumbledupon way to many cat pictures today
11 23:50:00 Blazeix s/to/too/
11 23:50:00 tommost What brings up cats? (Aside from their inherent inferiority to poodles.)
11 23:51:00 Morasique i'm arguing with my friend about the awesomeness of cats
11 23:51:00 Morasique which i assumed everyone agreed with
11 23:51:00 Morasique but apparently there are dissenters
11 23:51:00 Blazeix I'm sure, if need be, you could find 20,000 websites arguing your case
11 23:51:00 tommost I never said cats aren't awesome. They are simply nowhere close to poodles.
11 23:52:00 tommost Add a zero to that number.
11 23:52:00 Blazeix yeah
11 23:52:00 Morasique catsareawesome.com is unregistered
11 23:52:00 Morasique i should get it
11 23:52:00 Blazeix http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Cats+are+awesome%22&word2=%22Dogs+are+awesome%22
11 23:53:00 Blazeix far less results than I would have imagined
11 23:55:00 tommost If it helps, the girl in this episode of Stargate has eyes the color of a cat's.
11 23:55:00 tommost It's freaking creepy.
12 04:10:00 andy753421_ircsr yay mountable irc clients ;)
12 04:19:00 andy753421_ircsr (test)
12 04:39:00 shadghost (test failed)
12 04:47:00 andy753421_ircsr nope, test succeeded, ircsrv mounted and drew a window when i logged in with drawterm :)
12 10:09:00 Morasique I've had the "They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard" thing stuck in my head for like a day. I can't even remember the last time I saw it
12 10:35:00 auchter make sucks
12 10:36:00 jboticsource so what, it works
12 10:38:00 jboticsource tommost: can u link me to that solid edge cad file of the new proposed design?
12 10:42:00 auchter check the logs
12 10:43:00 jboticsource how do i do that?
12 10:43:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/irc
12 13:36:00 Morasique ooo: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
12 13:36:00 Morasique i like to hope this will magically fix my flash player problems
12 13:49:00 auchter glares at autoconf
12 14:07:00 Morasique you really hate the gnu build process
12 14:14:00 auchter it checks the settings of g77. when you're building a program written entirely in C. not bloody fortran.
12 14:15:00 auchter and i just had to trace through one of its generated makefiles, which are absolute hell
12 14:28:00 Morasique well yeah, they're auto-generated, you're not supposed to need to trace through them
12 14:58:00 andy753421 argh, stupid python
12 14:58:00 andy753421 that modules clearly exists, stop telling me that it doesn't
12 15:02:00 andy753421 oh, apparently it doesn't work on that machine
12 15:02:00 andy753421 even those the code is on the exact same nfs volume
12 15:09:00 andy753421 haha, just found in my code: `str = "%ssome text" % str' instead of `str += "some_text"'
12 15:48:00 andy753421 tommost: any idea how you're supposed to store global in python?
12 15:49:00 andy753421 I have a variable named 'quiet' that determines whether to print out a long or short error message, how to I get that to be available in every function/method/class/module?
12 16:03:00 auchter haha, you should make a python preprocessor
12 16:03:00 andy753421 hehe, i could just run it though m4 :)
12 16:03:00 auchter ooh.. make it convert braces to whitespace...
12 16:03:00 auchter you could call it ratpy, rational python
12 16:04:00 andy753421 hm.. what's that a reference to?
12 16:04:00 auchter ratfor, rational fortran
12 16:04:00 andy753421 ah, that's right
12 16:07:00 Morasique andy753421: things declared in the global scope are global automatically
12 16:08:00 andy753421 Morasique: that doesn't seem two work across different modules
12 16:08:00 Morasique if you're declaring it in a local scope you can do "global quiet" to make it global
12 16:08:00 Morasique oh. maybe not, i don't know if there is a truly global scope, i think it's specific to each module
12 16:19:00 Morasique We just got this in an e-mail: "Also, and this may sound silly but it happens a lot: For meal expenses, please claim the amount you pay under 'total' on your reports, not the 'change' you receive back."
12 16:19:00 Morasique wow
12 16:23:00 Morasique http://rmd.atdmt.com/tl/DocumentDotWrite.js
12 17:02:00 auchter Morasique: wow.
12 17:06:00 andy753421 Now that encapsulation!
12 17:06:00 andy753421 *thats.. :(
12 17:23:00 tommost andy753421: If you assign it as an attribute of the __builtins__ module it will be available everywhere, but that's a bad idea.
12 17:24:00 tommost Other than builtins, yes, there is only module-level global scope.
12 17:24:00 andy753421 tommost is there a preferred method?
12 17:24:00 tommost jboticsource: I don't have it.
12 17:24:00 tommost import module
12 17:24:00 tommost module.my_global_attribute
12 17:25:00 andy753421 hm.. `import command_line_flags_module'..
12 17:25:00 Morasique if it's a command-line flag you could just check sys.argv from anywhere
12 17:26:00 andy753421 Morasique: not really, because we don't know the order of the flags
12 17:26:00 jboticsource tommost: i looked through the logs and found the pic
12 17:26:00 Morasique ah. i recomment OptionParser btw, but that's unrelated
12 17:26:00 tommost Yes, totally use OptionParser.
12 17:26:00 Morasique having a GlobalOptions module is probably the best way, like tommost said
12 17:26:00 andy753421 seems we're using getopt at the moment
12 17:27:00 andy753421 yay globals that just take more works ;)
12 20:11:00 auchter ok, what the hell
12 20:11:00 auchter i typed `sl' instead of `ls' on rt-black, and a train went across my screen
12 20:14:00 tommost hAHAHAHAHA!
12 20:14:00 auchter my hatred of this bloody distribution is growing stronger each day.
12 20:14:00 tommost Why?
12 20:15:00 tommost It's not like sl is installed by defau.t
12 20:15:00 tommost *default.
12 20:15:00 auchter well then, i took care of the problem.
12 20:15:00 tommost Curse you!
12 20:16:00 auchter don't worry, i put it back
12 20:17:00 auchter adding `alias sl=ls' to ~/.bashrc seemed like a more sane solution
12 20:18:00 tommost Yup.
12 20:47:00 jboticsource can i kill a process by name?
12 20:52:00 andy753421 jboticsource: pkill and/or killall
12 21:29:00 jboticsource happy birthday klein
12 21:34:00 auchter heh, awesome, i just got my first phishing phone call
12 21:39:00 Mishtal auchter: which scam did they try?
12 21:41:00 auchter an oddly good one, actually; they claimed my card at a bank really close to my house was cancelled, and to call a number
12 21:41:00 auchter problem is, i don't have an account at that bank
12 21:42:00 Mishtal wow
12 21:43:00 Mishtal they did their research
12 21:43:00 auchter indeed; the phone number was in arizona, too.
12 21:43:00 Mishtal oh?
12 21:43:00 Mishtal your not from arizona, right?
12 21:43:00 auchter right
12 21:45:00 Mishtal out of curiosity, if they had said a bank you have an account with, was it believable enough that you would have called the number?
12 21:46:00 auchter nope
12 21:46:00 Mishtal k
12 21:46:00 auchter specifically because my name's not linked to my phone number in any way
12 21:46:00 Mishtal hows that?
12 21:47:00 auchter uh, it's prepaid. even if it wasn't, why would i give it to my bank?
12 21:47:00 Mishtal no reason at all
12 21:47:00 Mishtal i just didnt know it was a prepaid cell
12 21:47:00 Mishtal i thought it might have been a landline
12 22:54:00 jboticsource http://www.customink.com/designs/rev2/8873061-1834056/retrieve
12 22:55:00 jboticsource the back is not displaying right, but it makes the point, qed
12 22:59:00 auchter is the back supposed to have the things on the left? and if so, what are they?
12 22:59:00 tommost What happened to Blue Highway?
12 23:02:00 jboticsource that is blue highway
12 23:02:00 tommost What I'm seeing looks like Arial.
12 23:03:00 jboticsource it is blue highway
12 23:03:00 jboticsource or is supposed to be in any case
12 23:03:00 tommost It is definitely not.
12 23:06:00 tommost I think that you should just slap the SVG file I gave you on the back of a T-shirt.
12 23:06:00 jboticsource which one?
12 23:06:00 tommost The one with the gear and the text to the right of it.
12 23:06:00 jboticsource is it a quarter gear?
12 23:07:00 tommost Oh, yeah, it is. The full gear should be positioned where the quarter one is.
12 23:07:00 jboticsource oh ic what u r thinkin
12 23:10:00 jboticsource what was the name of the program that u talked about for vector stuff?
12 23:10:00 tommost Inkscape.
12 23:11:00 jboticsource check that out, i have that
12 23:15:00 jboticsource i now remember why i did not do that in the first place. the rose-human and the robotics team are over lapped and look odd
12 23:16:00 tommost It should look like the logo on the web site.
12 23:21:00 jboticsource but on the shirt when ppl are looking at it from a distance, it will look odd
12 23:38:00 jboticsource tommost: how do i redo my xorg.conf file?
12 23:38:00 jboticsource what command?
12 23:38:00 tommost sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12 23:39:00 andy753421 jboticsource: or `X -configure'
12 23:47:00 jboticsource it worked
12 23:47:00 tommost What was wrong?
12 23:47:00 jboticsource i had the wrong xorg file
12 23:48:00 jboticsource i had my duel screen one, and i lost my single screen one
12 23:48:00 jboticsource also firefox stopped starting
12 23:48:00 jboticsource so i have been wrangling that
12 23:53:00 Mishtal pkill firefox
12 23:53:00 Mishtal that should let you start it again
12 23:53:00 Mishtal happens to me all the time
12 23:54:00 jboticsource sry mistype, thundered stopped starting
12 23:54:00 Mishtal ah
12 23:54:00 Mishtal possibly the same reason
12 23:54:00 Mishtal though might be a config file or soemthing
12 23:54:00 tommost Yech. Killing Thunderbird is not nice; it's a good way to get corrupt mbox files.
12 23:54:00 tommost Damn mbox files.
12 23:55:00 andy753421 can thunderbird use maildir?
12 23:55:00 tommost Nope.
12 23:55:00 tommost One of the reasons I dislike it so.
12 23:55:00 jboticsource bingo
12 23:55:00 jboticsource it is working again
12 23:57:00 Mishtal what fixed it?
12 23:58:00 jboticsource well, i think it was the xorg thing, as it was the only change then it started again
12 23:58:00 jboticsource i was thinking that it was actually running but not being displayed somehow
13 00:00:00 tommost Yeah, that's usually how Firefox zombies. Thunderbird can do the same thing.
13 00:00:00 tommost It was the restart that fixed it.
13 00:15:00 jboticsource tommost: can u send me an uncrunched version of the logo u sent me previous?
13 00:18:00 tommost It never was crunched.
13 00:18:00 tommost It looks exactly like the one on the web site.
13 00:19:00 jboticsource i am saying that one one on the site lookes cruched for a t-shirt type application
13 00:20:00 tommost It will look fine.
13 00:21:00 tommost I'm going to send you one with the text as a path instead of text.
13 00:21:00 tommost I thought that I'd done that before, but it appears not.
13 00:22:00 jboticsource ok
13 00:23:00 tommost Okay, sent.
13 00:23:00 tommost I'm going to bed now.
13 00:23:00 tommost Good night.
13 00:29:00 shadghost ARGGG
13 00:29:00 shadghost ubuntu_microphone_soupport--
13 00:30:00 jboticsource i am going 2 bed 2, night
13 07:28:00 Morasique http://www.trustedsource.org/blog/142/New-SQL-Injection-Attack-Infecting-Machines
13 07:28:00 Morasique this has infected "several thousand machines"?
13 07:28:00 Morasique apparently i should be a malware writer if it's this easy
13 09:13:00 Morasique i finally got so tired of windows' tab completion i downloaded "windows powershell". turns out it has the exact same tab completion
13 09:24:00 auchter use cygwin
13 09:24:00 auchter that's what i use when i have to use someone's windows box
13 09:54:00 Morasique i can't run windows apps from cygwin though, that's what i'm doing in the shell
13 10:01:00 jboticsource check this shirt out:
13 10:02:00 jboticsource http://www.customink.com/designs/rev3/8930537-1834056/retrieve
13 10:09:00 auchter Morasique: oh, i see. the cygwin people should implement a command like os(1) in inferno's emu, where you can run native commands
13 11:45:00 Morasique it's nice to know student affairs actually reads the e-mails they get before they blanket forward them to us
13 11:49:00 bolandmg Did anyone just notice that scam email forwarded to all students?
13 11:50:00 bolandmg I can't believe that someone would forward something so shady.
13 11:50:00 Morasique yeah, i just commented on it
13 11:50:00 Morasique and i have no trouble believing it
13 11:50:00 bolandmg Yeah, I sent her something too.
13 11:50:00 Morasique i meant i commented in here; i should send her something, but i feel slightly bad
13 11:51:00 bolandmg ah
13 11:51:00 bolandmg I sent her something and she sent out a retraction.
13 11:51:00 Morasique i'm tempted to reply and tell her not to worry because i've auto-deleted her e-mails for years
13 11:51:00 bolandmg I like her response to me though
13 11:51:00 bolandmg Thanks for the heads up. I will send an email out alarming the
13 11:51:00 bolandmg students.
13 11:51:00 bolandmg alarming haha great choice of wording
13 11:52:00 Morasique it's fairly annoying that she clearly didn't click a single one of those links or even glance at the urls first, since they're quite obviously not scholarship sites
13 11:52:00 Morasique or even "sites" for that matter
13 11:52:00 bolandmg yeah, I noticed how shady it was before I even realized Thunderbird had tagged it as a scam
13 11:53:00 Morasique i didn't even realize it was a forwarded e-mail at first, it's written in the first person like she'd actually reviewed the links, e.g. "a personal favorite of mine"
13 11:54:00 bolandmg yeah... all around bad times
13 11:54:00 bolandmg So who wants to take bets on how long it is until she does it again?
13 11:54:00 Morasique blames tommost
13 11:54:00 Morasique i wonder if i still have the iait e-mail about scam e-mails, i should forward it to her
13 14:26:00 Morasique bold move, sending out another scholarship e-mail 3 hours later
13 15:27:00 Morasique Blazeix: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=52560
13 15:37:00 auchter Morasique: i told you that they're a cult, and that thread just reinforces that
13 15:40:00 Morasique but...i want to be in a cult
13 15:40:00 Morasique i crave the acceptance
13 15:43:00 auchter Morasique: here's a cult for you: #rhip9ug
13 19:18:00 Mishtal http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=groundst.rap
13 19:18:00 Mishtal lmao
13 19:19:00 tommost I'm scared of that link.
13 19:19:00 Mishtal it contains no pictures, that im aware of
13 19:20:00 tommost Yes, I just determined that by wgeting it and analyzing it.
13 19:20:00 Mishtal k
13 19:20:00 tommost I'm declaring it safe.
13 19:21:00 Mishtal k
13 19:23:00 tommost Okay, it's actually quite funny.
13 19:23:00 tommost Mishtal++
13 19:23:00 Mishtal ;p;
13 19:23:00 Mishtal lol*
13 19:59:00 auchter indeed, i actually laughed.
13 20:09:00 andy753421 man, tables in latex suck
13 20:21:00 auchter tables are by far the worst thing in latex.
13 20:22:00 auchter the default spacing for them looks horrible
13 20:27:00 shadghost hi
13 20:27:00 shadghost hugs everyone
13 20:29:00 jboticsource tommost: http://www.customink.com/designs/rev3/8930537-1834056/retrieve
13 20:30:00 auchter way too much space between `Robotics' and `Team'
13 20:30:00 auchter `Rose-Hulman' is too space compared to the other text as well
13 20:30:00 auchter too wide
13 20:30:00 tommost There needs to be text on the front. The text on the back should be sized the same way as on the web site; "Rose-Hulman" is too small. And perhaps the back gear should be scaled down.
13 20:30:00 auchter also, i demand text on the front
13 20:31:00 auchter oh, the `Robotics' and `Team' spacing looks the same on the website
13 20:32:00 auchter i thought it was fine before, however now that space looks massive
13 20:32:00 tommost Hmmm... you may be right.
13 20:32:00 jboticsource it is actually, i took what tom gave me last night and threw it on the back
13 20:32:00 jboticsource no mods
13 20:32:00 tommost Hmm... you're right.
13 20:36:00 jboticsource i like the big gear, but i could see the txt growing a bit. I don't like having txt on the front. I think it makes the shirt too cluttered over all. Having a cleaner front looks more professional and neat.
13 20:37:00 auchter we're going to have text on the front
13 20:37:00 auchter one reason i'm so adamant about this is because you spelled `text' as `txt'
13 20:37:00 auchter i was going to assume it was a mistake, but you did it twice
13 20:37:00 auchter hence, i can only assume that it was, indeed, intentional
13 20:38:00 auchter which makes me cringe much like i did several years ago when i first saw a commercial that abbreviated `text' as `txt'
13 20:38:00 jboticsource and that relates to the shirts how?
13 20:38:00 auchter my hopes were that it would not become a trend.
13 20:38:00 auchter hm?
13 20:38:00 auchter oh, i seem to have started ranting at some point
13 20:38:00 jboticsource a bit
13 20:40:00 auchter it relates to the shirts because once you start leaving out letters that you, for some crazy reason, deem unimportant, you start leaving out letters that actually are quite important
13 20:40:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/rt/logo.png How's this?
13 20:40:00 auchter then, we end up with shirts that say "Rose-Human Robotics Team"
13 20:40:00 auchter tommost: much better
13 20:41:00 jboticsource auchter: bite me
13 20:43:00 tommost Okay, I see where the confusion is coming from. You took to things that I just randomly dropped into the same file for convenience and assumed that I'd arranged them in some way. I was *not* suggesting that the gear be placed like that.
13 20:43:00 jboticsource tommost: ok, i did not know that.
13 20:46:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/rt/elements.svg
13 20:53:00 jboticsource tommost: is that the proportions that u would like on the shirt?
13 20:53:00 tommost Yeah.
13 20:53:00 jboticsource ok
13 20:55:00 jboticsource tommost: r u thinking putting the same things on the front as the back?
13 20:55:00 tommost Yeah.
13 20:56:00 jboticsource symmetry
13 20:56:00 tommost Well, I was thinking that it would be smaller on the front. Over the breast.
13 20:59:00 jboticsource i guarantee that someone will wake up and in a hangover put their shirt on backwards
13 20:59:00 tommost I guarantee that I will laugh if I am present.
13 21:02:00 jboticsource how much smaller?
13 21:02:00 jboticsource half?
13 21:02:00 tommost At least.
13 21:02:00 jboticsource 75%
13 21:03:00 tommost Try it.
13 21:03:00 jboticsource as in one of the over the left chest things?
13 21:03:00 tommost Yeah.
13 21:03:00 jboticsource or centered?
13 21:03:00 jboticsource ok
13 21:04:00 jboticsource due to the text
13 21:04:00 jboticsource teh gear is in teh center of the body
13 21:04:00 tommost Then it's still too big.
13 21:06:00 auchter put it on the right chest, everyone puts stuff on the left.
13 21:06:00 jboticsource tommost: http://www.customink.com/designs/rev4/8936984-1834056/retrieve
13 21:07:00 auchter looks good to me
13 21:07:00 tommost I think that the front stuff is a big high up, and still a tad large.
13 21:08:00 jboticsource if the front is any smaller, it will be unreadable
13 21:08:00 tommost I don't think so.
13 21:08:00 jboticsource just look at the picture, it is unreadable at 5 feet
13 21:09:00 tommost sighs
13 21:09:00 tommost Whatever. It's okay./
13 21:09:00 jboticsource again, i vote for the gear of that size or slightly smaller
13 21:10:00 jboticsource btw what sizes should we get
13 21:10:00 jboticsource should we just talley?
13 21:10:00 tommost There should probably be an e-mail.
13 21:11:00 tommost We should ask for feedback from other members, too.
13 21:11:00 jboticsource we should
13 21:12:00 auchter you should make a poll using PHP and XML
13 21:12:00 Morasique hmm. so i wasn't paying attention to this window for the last hour; fortunately, i missed nothing except the hour-long robotics t-shirt discussion
13 21:12:00 tommost auchter--
13 21:12:00 jboticsource how about this
13 21:12:00 tommost Morasique: Yeah, it's almost like we don't have our own channel, isn't it. ;)
13 21:13:00 jboticsource what size does any wear?
13 21:13:00 jboticsource what size does tom wear?
13 21:13:00 jboticsource what size does auchter wear?
13 21:13:00 jboticsource what size does jay wear?
13 21:13:00 auchter jboticsource: #rhrt
13 21:14:00 Morasique jboticsource: what size does {any,tom,auchter,jay} wear?
13 21:23:00 auchter kleinjt: #rhrt
13 22:27:00 octavious jeez. i thought we were talking about LUG shirts...
13 22:27:00 auchter now that's a thought
13 22:27:00 jboticsource we were
13 22:27:00 octavious nice RHLUG black polo shirt would be nice
13 22:27:00 jboticsource we ran away :p
13 22:27:00 auchter we will have a `budget' this year
13 22:27:00 auchter jboticsource: LUG != robotics
13 22:27:00 tommost Yay for shirts!
13 22:27:00 jboticsource we were all here
13 22:27:00 auchter we need an RHLUG logo.
13 22:27:00 tommost Yes.
13 22:28:00 jboticsource yes
13 22:28:00 octavious perhaps
13 22:28:00 auchter then we need a RHIP9UG logo
13 22:28:00 auchter and RHIP9UG shirts!
13 22:28:00 octavious Tux with the R/h logo on his stomach..
13 22:29:00 octavious i think if we get shirts, they should be nice shirts, like i was saying, black embroidered polos
13 22:29:00 auchter yes, simple as well
13 22:29:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/masthead-logo-sprite.png
13 22:29:00 tommost I like that font.
13 22:29:00 auchter what's with the nautical stuff?
13 22:30:00 auchter even just the text would look good embroidered on a polo
13 22:30:00 octavious something simple like tux with the R/h logo on his stomach, embroidered would get the point across
13 22:30:00 octavious Tux needs to be involved somehow :)
13 22:31:00 Morasique tux should be in it, but writing on his stomach probably won't come out well
13 22:31:00 tommost Yeah, I thought about that when I was putting him on the wiki.
13 22:31:00 auchter i think that crazy R that rose uses would work
13 22:31:00 tommost I couldn't see a good way to make it work.
13 22:32:00 Morasique the R or the crest could work
13 22:33:00 Morasique the text won't
13 22:35:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/files/rhtux.jpg
13 22:35:00 auchter someone can do a better job, but i think it works
13 22:35:00 Morasique why is the spacing between the parts of the R so huge?
13 22:35:00 Morasique is that how it usually is?
13 22:36:00 auchter yep, at least on the license plates..
13 22:36:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~finn/images/r.gif
13 22:36:00 Morasique either way, that seems to work
13 22:36:00 auchter ok, so someone can do a better job
13 22:36:00 Morasique i'm a fan anyway
13 22:37:00 tommost Ooo... vector Tux.
13 22:37:00 tommost If it were embroidered it would need to be black and white, though, wouldn't it?
13 22:37:00 auchter you can do colors
13 22:37:00 jboticsource no
13 22:37:00 jboticsource yes
13 22:37:00 octavious no, that would probably be cheaper though
13 22:37:00 auchter my opinion would be to just embrodier the white, red, and yellow
13 22:37:00 octavious but hell, we gotta blow our budget on something..
13 22:38:00 kleinjt I'd rather blow it on servers..
13 22:38:00 Morasique more macs for the cs lab?
13 22:38:00 auchter Morasique--\
13 22:38:00 kleinjt model trains?
13 22:38:00 octavious nice.
13 22:39:00 tommost kleinjt: There's a club for that.
13 22:39:00 octavious #rhmodelrailroadclub
13 22:39:00 octavious take it there.
13 22:39:00 kleinjt tommost -= tommost
13 22:40:00 tommost logview doesn't understand that syntax.
13 22:40:00 auchter so this was my night: "02:39 -!- jboticsource was kicked from #rhmodelrailroadclub by auchter [auchter]"
13 22:40:00 Morasique erm
13 22:42:00 octavious why would gimp require alsa-lib built with midi support?...
13 22:42:00 auchter i'm guessing the same reason why logview now supports postfix increments and decrements
13 22:42:00 octavious doesnt make any sense. why would it require alsa at all..
13 22:42:00 tommost So that it can provide image visualization services to blind users?
13 22:43:00 Morasique auchter: don't be silly, logview doesn't support it yet, it's on the backlog. forever
13 22:43:00 Morasique glares at tommost
13 22:44:00 auchter logview already has enough feature creep as it is
13 22:44:00 Morasique logview is for feature creep, there's a plaintext version if that makes you happy
13 22:45:00 tommost I like to call it bloat, thank you very much.
13 22:45:00 auchter i'm proud to say i've used logview maybe 3 times
13 22:45:00 tommost You are weak. jboticsource didn't use it until today.
13 22:45:00 Morasique me too, except s/logview/plain logs/
13 22:46:00 auchter he didn't know the logs existed until today
13 22:46:00 jboticsource no i knew them
13 22:46:00 tommost auchter: See? He's just better than you.
13 22:46:00 auchter viewing the plaintext logs keeps me from having to pipe code through htmlfmt
13 22:47:00 Morasique and in non-plan9, that is . . .
13 22:47:00 auchter htmlfmt helpfully removes any and all html, leaving you with pure, glorious text
13 22:47:00 Morasique ah. well, that would kind of defeat the point of logview
13 22:48:00 octavious http://www.gimp.org/unix/howtos/gimp-midi.html
13 22:48:00 octavious just in case you were curious
13 22:49:00 Morasique that's fairly cool
13 22:49:00 Morasique i want to see somebody gimp something with a guitar
13 22:49:00 octavious really the only question i have is....WHY?
13 22:49:00 auchter so i was going to make fun of logview for making pages bloated
13 22:50:00 tommost gzip
13 22:50:00 auchter quite.
13 22:51:00 octavious its like a new game. attach any random peripheral device to a random software project
13 22:52:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/SKFgZk93.html
13 22:52:00 auchter hah, logview loses.
13 22:52:00 Morasique er. if you're arguing that logview takes longer than the plain text file that powers it....duh
13 22:52:00 tommost Indeed.
13 22:53:00 tommost It could easily be made faster.
13 22:53:00 auchter let me guess, by using the latest version of python?
13 22:53:00 tommost How'd you know?
13 22:53:00 tommost Most of that delay is CGI startup time, anyway.
13 22:53:00 kleinjt Did you use lambda enough?
13 22:54:00 tommost I used it three times.
13 22:54:00 auchter i made a map function in C the other day at work.
13 22:54:00 auchter it made me happy
13 22:54:00 Morasique i have one in my .zshrc that makes me happy
13 22:55:00 kleinjt I.. get a free hat...
13 22:55:00 tommost kleinjt: ?
13 22:55:00 kleinjt at work, I got a hat
13 22:55:00 tommost Are you at work?
13 22:55:00 Morasique ah. well, the context was obvious there
13 22:56:00 kleinjt indeed, and the hat is awesome
13 22:57:00 kleinjt http://www.jpo.doi.gov/Graphics/Header.gif <-- hat logo. I hope I get to keep the hat
13 23:01:00 Morasique he's quite a fan of that hat
13 23:01:00 tommost Indeed.
13 23:01:00 Morasique ooo: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3529749&Sku=TSD-500H3
13 23:09:00 andy_ircsrv that's not bad, i have a sata controller now, i'm tempted..
13 23:10:00 auchter well, since i just bought a 500GB hard drive to back up my data and realizing later that it wasn't close to being enough..
13 23:21:00 Morasique somebody slap me and tell me not to buy this hard drive
13 23:21:00 tommost slaps Morasique
13 23:21:00 tommost slaps Morasique again for good measure
13 23:23:00 Morasique it's not working!
13 23:23:00 auchter buy it
13 23:23:00 Morasique see, auchter is on my side. way to suck tommost
13 23:23:00 tommost slaps Morasique again
13 23:24:00 andy_ircsrv buy it, and then give it to me because you'll
13 23:24:00 andy_ircsrv feel back about having bought it
13 23:24:00 Morasique that is a solid plan
13 23:24:00 tommost No, give it to me.
13 23:24:00 tommost slaps Morasique again
13 23:24:00 andy_ircsrv Morasique: i'm glad you agree
13 23:25:00 Morasique i'm still resisting buying a kindle, if i caved and bought this it would be cheating the kindle, it was here first
13 23:25:00 Morasique solution: buy both
13 23:25:00 auchter i like how merkle's face is the fourth result for a gis on rose-hulman
13 23:25:00 tommost A Kindle? WTF?
13 23:26:00 Morasique tommost: yes
13 23:27:00 Morasique care to elaborate?
13 23:28:00 tommost $300 for a DRM-encumbered device locked to a specific service.
13 23:28:00 tommost Bad plan.
13 23:29:00 Morasique it's actually more like $360 :)
13 23:29:00 Morasique it supports non-amazon formats
13 23:29:00 tommost By converting them to Amazon's format.
13 23:30:00 tommost Buy a Nokia N810. My 770 is awesome as an e-book reader.
13 23:31:00 Morasique no, you can load other formats on it, or convert them if that makes you happy. i'm hoping somebody will break it so you can convert in the other direction too
13 23:31:00 Morasique that thing is tiny
13 23:31:00 Morasique go away, you're talking me out of my beloved kindle
13 23:31:00 Morasique tommost--
13 23:31:00 tommost :(
13 23:32:00 Morasique tommost++
13 23:32:00 Morasique out of pity
13 23:33:00 tommost :/
13 23:37:00 auchter hm, i wonder if i really need to show up for the first two days of classes.
13 23:38:00 tommost Why?
13 23:38:00 auchter 1. seems like a waste to move down for only two days of class, 2. awesome concert in detroit that saturday
13 23:41:00 Morasique well, after the two days of classes are more days of classes
13 23:41:00 auchter yes, but moving down sunday would be better
13 23:41:00 tommost I think that the activity fair is that weekend.
13 23:41:00 tommost You need to make our robot into a recruitment tool before then.
13 23:42:00 auchter that's not going to happen, as the earliest i'm willing to move back into the hell-hole that is terre haute is wednesday the third
13 23:42:00 tommost :'(
13 23:43:00 andy_ircsrv classes start on the 4th right?
13 23:43:00 auchter yep
13 23:43:00 jboticsource yes
13 23:43:00 tommost yarr
14 08:32:00 auchter stupid gnu ls and its colors.
14 08:34:00 auchter apparently its magical "is it a terminal" code fails when piping to grep...
14 08:35:00 auchter oh, wait, it's gnu grep's fault.
14 08:35:00 auchter apparently its magical terminal detection code fails when piping to rc
14 09:13:00 Morasique auchter: ls --color=never
14 10:07:00 auchter Morasique: easier: 9 ls
14 10:09:00 auchter it just made my mad that it caused about 30 segfaults.
14 10:09:00 auchter s/my/me/
14 10:21:00 octavious auchter: what concert in detroit?
14 10:51:00 Morasique well, i think there's an environment variable to shut off coloring in all gnu apps if you want it that way
14 11:05:00 auchter octavious: some 12-hour thing at MOCAD, there are several performances i'd like to see (zorn's cobra, riley's in c, etc.)
14 11:44:00 Morasique i just had a developer tell me if I do #define ABCDE 1, and then do printf("ABCDE");, it would output 1
14 11:44:00 Morasique i stared numbly and finally said i was pretty sure that wouldn't happen
14 12:23:00 andy753421 http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/ and drawterm: plan9.lug.rose-hulman.edu
14 12:25:00 andy753421 we'll have to set up redirects at some point, but for now i need to go to work
14 12:25:00 Morasique huzzah!
14 12:26:00 octavious nice.
14 12:26:00 octavious i am assuming we still host it ourselves (where is our http server anyway?)
14 12:27:00 Morasique it's still on phire, i have no idea where it's physically located
14 12:27:00 Morasique i think in the robotics lab
14 12:27:00 Morasique that's the impression i got
14 13:01:00 andy753421 yes, it's being hosted at the robotics lab
14 13:01:00 andy753421 currently on one of the plan 9 machines
14 13:01:00 andy753421 we should buy a rack
14 13:02:00 andy753421 we actually had one at the beginning of last year but McLeish threw it out
14 13:14:00 Morasique andy753421: where would we put it? the robotics lab, or will mcleish let us put it in that corner of the cs lab
14 13:15:00 andy753421 i imagine he'd let us put it in the CS lab next to the senior projects servers
14 13:58:00 auchter ah, bloody awesome
14 13:59:00 auchter should i change lug.phire.org to be a CNAME for lug.rose-hulman.edu so links in the logs and such will work?
14 14:01:00 auchter also, are we the only club with a subdomain of rose-hulman.edu?
14 14:05:00 andy753421 auchter: I think we are the only club with a subdomain
14 14:06:00 andy753421 the only subdomains that I know of are {dhcp,cs}.rose-hulman.edu and the old {printer,institute,student}.rose ones
14 14:07:00 andy753421 there's other clubs that have hosts though, but I don't think they have subdomains
14 14:07:00 auchter yeah, i've never seen any except for those
14 14:07:00 andy753421 we should probably try to migrate away from phire.org since we'll have to some time anyway
14 14:08:00 auchter yeah, definitely
14 14:08:00 auchter probably a sed -i 's/lug\.phire\.org/lug\.rose-hulman\.edu/g' *.log is in order
14 14:09:00 andy753421 we can keep the logs the way they are, but we need to update the wiki
14 14:10:00 andy753421 auchter: I think the preferred method is to have lug.phire.org return a HTTP 301 redirect to the same page on lug.rose-hulman.edu
14 14:10:00 andy753421 that `should' make browser caches and search engine results update automatically
14 14:11:00 auchter ah, ok
14 14:12:00 andy753421 (i'll set apache up to do that when I get off work)
14 14:12:00 auchter ah, i just got off of work for the summer
14 14:16:00 auchter andy753421: so how do you like ircsrv?
14 14:17:00 andy753421 it's pretty good
14 14:18:00 andy753421 a little buggy though, i can't get a list of who's in the channel
14 14:25:00 Morasique i'm getting this error from java: "Possible accidental assignment in place of a comparison"
14 14:25:00 Morasique it's right, it is possible that was an accident on my part. except it isn't
14 14:25:00 Morasique and it's not a warning, it's a fatal error. fatal errors should not begin with the word "possible"
14 14:25:00 andy753421 does putting it in parenthesis help? that always makes gcc happy
14 14:26:00 auchter yeah, the inability to ignore those sort of things annoys me
14 14:26:00 Morasique no, i tried that
14 14:26:00 auchter how the hell else are you supposed to sanely traverse a linked list?
14 14:26:00 andy753421 use gcj?
14 14:28:00 andy753421 auchter: did they ever get the gcc port to plan9 working?
14 14:28:00 andy753421 i'd really like to run distcc on there..
14 14:29:00 auchter there was that one really old one...
14 14:29:00 auchter i think people have given up, as a strong hatred of gcc is the impression i get from 9fans
14 14:29:00 auchter but it would be nice to have it on plan9.
14 14:29:00 auchter a possible solution would be to use linuxemu
14 14:30:00 auchter don't know how well it would work, but people are running firefox and opera (and debian?!) under it
14 15:44:00 Morasique fun fact: apparently plan9 compiles for all architectures without using #ifdefs
14 15:49:00 auchter Morasique: if i remember correctly, they have a port/ directory for portable code, then 386/, ppc/, bitsy/, etc. directories for architecture dependent code
14 16:08:00 auchter also, i don't think anyone is using plan 9 on anything but 386 and bitsy (ipaq arm) right now
14 16:08:00 auchter apparently some people are working on the MIPS port for sgi's machines, which i'm rather intererested
14 16:19:00 andy753421 wow, there's a `Blog Indiana' conference coming up..
14 16:20:00 andy753421 if there was ever a conference that I completely didn't care about..
14 16:24:00 auchter i didn't think it could be that bad, but looking at the 'sessions' page has me reconsidering that view.
14 16:26:00 auchter joy, "Web 2.0," "Semantic Web," "Corporate Blog," "blogging culture..."
14 17:26:00 tommost So I get to make a logo?
14 17:27:00 Morasique i remember the days before blog was a word
14 17:28:00 Morasique they were happy days
14 17:31:00 auchter it's only gotten really bad the past few years
14 17:32:00 auchter i think what pushed me over the edge was when i started hearing/seeing that word in my daily life
14 17:32:00 andy753421 i think it was the term 'blogosphere' for me
14 17:33:00 auchter i think we all mourn the creation of that word
14 17:33:00 andy753421 there needs to be a self-help channel on freenode for this situation
14 17:43:00 Morasique i blame xkcd for creating variants like blag, now i hear that used seriously as a synonym
14 17:44:00 andy753421 i just blame 'stupid people' for all of it
14 17:49:00 Morasique that sounds fair
14 18:40:00 collinjc tommost: Just got back. Did you guys already start?
14 20:41:00 andy753421 ok, lug.phire.org now redirects to lug.rose-hulman.edu
14 20:45:00 Mishtal im hoping that was the behavior we wanted
14 20:55:00 Morasique andy753421: when did you change it? i still see a cname to andy753421.ath.cx
14 20:56:00 andy753421 no, http redirect
14 20:56:00 Morasique ah
14 20:56:00 andy753421 DNS redirect wouldn't really matter, but if auchter wants to change it that would be find as well
14 20:57:00 auchter the less i have to do the better
14 20:57:00 andy753421 well, you'll probably want to change it as some point to be a cname to lug.rose-hulman.edu since when I get back to school lug.rose-hulman.edu and andy753421.ath.cx are going to be running on different machines
14 20:58:00 shadghost Hi!
14 20:58:00 Morasique always an apt, insightful comment from shadghost
14 20:59:00 shadghost is angry at ntfs format
14 20:59:00 Morasique er. the file system? why are you using it?
14 21:00:00 shadghost my data hd's were used in windows
14 21:01:00 Morasique you have my pity
14 21:01:00 jboticsource robots with biological brains: http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=1009
14 21:01:00 shadghost i am thinking about stalking this one persons spare hd, format it in ext3, copy my data from my first 500, format it, and then do it to the second and thrid
14 21:04:00 auchter you seem to be an awesome stalker, so that might work
14 21:04:00 shadghost i am a stalker?
14 21:06:00 shadghost (if i was going to stalk anyone it would be lisa )
14 21:07:00 auchter i'm noticing a correlation between the insightfullness of my comments, and my espresso consumption
14 21:08:00 shadghost then you need WAY more expresso
14 21:08:00 Morasique SNAP!
14 21:10:00 auchter i should really kick you for that spelling
14 21:10:00 auchter it's disgraceful
14 21:10:00 octavious wait a second, who's lisa?
14 21:10:00 auchter alaska's govenor?
14 21:10:00 auchter that old apple computer?
14 21:11:00 shadghost lisa is somone up here
14 21:11:00 shadghost (and is in irc but not giveing out the nic)
14 21:11:00 octavious silly shadghost, there are no girls on IRC
14 21:12:00 shadghost i know of 3
14 21:13:00 octavious lies.
14 21:14:00 shadghost fly up to alaska and i will prove it (also i need a rhrt shirt)
14 21:14:00 Morasique "21:05 < shadghost> (if i was going to stalk anyone it would be lisa )
14 21:14:00 Morasique those are the kind of gems that look good in the court transcript
14 21:15:00 octavious shadghost: well you wont get a rhrt shirt from me...
14 21:15:00 Morasique wouldn't being in rhrt be a prerequisite for getting a t-shirt?
14 21:15:00 shadghost Morasique++
14 21:15:00 jboticsource if u pay for it then yea u can have one
14 21:15:00 jboticsource i guess
14 21:16:00 shadghost (what is the cost?)
14 21:16:00 jboticsource 15
14 21:16:00 shadghost !!!!
14 21:16:00 jboticsource and it is embroidered
14 21:16:00 shadghost WOOT!
14 21:17:00 octavious thats more exclamation points in 3 lines than we have seen in the history of #rhlug
14 21:17:00 shadghost wins!\
14 21:17:00 Morasique s/wins/loses/
14 21:17:00 shadghost can not fine his keays
14 21:17:00 Morasique try looking in the couach
14 21:17:00 octavious i wince at your spelling
14 21:18:00 Morasique octavious: you haven't talked to povilusr nearly enough
14 21:18:00 shadghost mplayer /Music Re: \You'r \Brains
14 21:18:00 shadghost Woot!
14 21:18:00 Morasique er
14 21:18:00 shadghost what good song
14 21:19:00 Morasique that looked like a mangled terminal command, not a song
14 21:19:00 shadghost http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlznuyPOeM
14 21:20:00 shadghost but that command does work
14 21:20:00 Morasique goes to click the link, then reconsiders
14 21:20:00 shadghost even if it does look bad
14 21:20:00 shadghost here
14 21:20:00 shadghost youtube re: your brains
14 21:21:00 Morasique wow
14 21:27:00 shadghost you like?
14 21:27:00 Morasique ....no
14 21:27:00 Morasique i'm starting to feel i've been hard on Mishtal's links
14 21:28:00 Mishtal AHHH fuck, when i went to click that link i completely kneed my laptop's CD drive GAH
14 21:29:00 Morasique it's shadghost's fault
14 21:35:00 Mishtal omg
14 21:35:00 Mishtal that was...beautiful
14 21:35:00 Morasique gah! Blazeix just sent me chenoweth's facebook. not something i need sprung on me
14 21:36:00 Mishtal lmao!!!
14 21:36:00 Mishtal he was buzzing around the ventures office today. hes just a tad loony
14 21:38:00 Morasique i was looking at tori wenger's picture for a good 5 seconds wondering why i felt automatic dislike over someone i'd never heard of
14 21:43:00 Mishtal you know... i have absolutely no idea why that would be. it couldnt possibly be that you might know someone who tori wenger reminds you of
14 21:44:00 Morasique er. do you know who tori wenger is?
14 21:45:00 Mishtal no clue, though i was under the impression that you were making a reference to professor bowman
14 21:45:00 Morasique it's her, she got married
14 21:45:00 Mishtal wow
14 21:45:00 Morasique Blazeix: you go to hell. you can't spring steve pictures on me like that
14 21:45:00 Morasique you're getting meatspinned later
14 21:45:00 Morasique meatspun?
14 21:45:00 Mishtal so under any other circumstances my sarcasm would have been spot on
14 21:46:00 Blazeix Morasique: He already got poor Jon atkinson
14 21:46:00 Mishtal now im very upset that it failed in such a horrible way
14 21:46:00 Blazeix Laxer friended me, so I saw steve as a potential proxy friend, and it scared me to death
14 21:48:00 Mishtal Blazeix: ... send me the link to chenowiths profile. im too curious to ignore this now
14 21:48:00 Blazeix You can find it just as easily as I can
14 21:48:00 Mishtal ok
14 21:48:00 Blazeix I've already closed the tab
14 21:48:00 Morasique you don't need to find it....it finds you
14 21:49:00 Blazeix do do do doo dooo doooooo!
14 21:49:00 Blazeix it haunts me
14 21:49:00 Morasique i should record it and make it my alarm clock sound
14 21:49:00 Morasique i'll never oversleep again
14 21:50:00 Morasique although isaac would probably get tired of me waking him up everyday with "OH MY GOD STEVE'S IN HERE, GET HIM AWAY"
14 21:52:00 auchter i have a strong desire to take a class with steve now
14 21:53:00 Morasique i do not understand how, maybe you should reread the last years worth of logs
14 21:53:00 auchter i was laughing really hard at some of the stuff
14 21:53:00 Morasique yes, because you weren't there. the humor is added during transmission to irc
14 21:54:00 auchter eh, i find it hard to believe that he's that bad
14 21:54:00 auchter it's got to be at least a little entertaining
14 21:55:00 Morasique i suppose. calculating how much i was paying him per minute was a big part of the anti-humor, so if you avoid doing stuff like that he can be amusing
14 23:56:00 tommost Congratulations, #rhlug. The logs for the past couple of hours are absolutely hillarious.
14 23:56:00 tommost s/ll/l/
15 00:12:00 octavious everyone++
15 00:14:00 Morasique yay!
15 00:23:00 octavious Morasique: i cant believ you just did that. you are normally the guy that is yelling at others who show any form of excitement
15 00:41:00 Mishtal octavious: but dont you see? pretending to be excited is Morasique's way of showing distaste with this "excitement" thing others do
15 00:42:00 Morasique [12] [mrozekma@etudes-1 /tmp/logs] % grep "<Morasique>.*yay\!" *.log | wc -l
15 00:42:00 Morasique 7
15 00:42:00 Morasique i'm downright festive
15 00:42:00 Morasique 7 times probably beats all the rest of you combined
15 00:43:00 Mishtal my god, hes right!
15 00:43:00 Morasique yay!
15 00:43:00 Mishtal woot! 8 times! wow, we really have a lot of catching up to do
15 00:43:00 Mishtal *sad face*
15 11:47:00 Morasique quite the activity in here today: http://71.98.91.137/irc.png
15 11:48:00 jboticsource i need to boot into windows to use my cad software. that is why i keep signing in and out
15 14:48:00 octavious seeing that screenshot reminded me of how much i hate the default irssi color scheme
15 15:15:00 Morasique octavious: yeah, i have on my todo list to actually customize irssi, i haven't touched it
15 16:33:00 Morasique this is in our payroll system: http://pastebin.com/mfad008f
15 16:33:00 Morasique why?
15 17:26:00 andy753421 it'd be nice if I didn't have to run pdflatex three times in order to get the citations correct
15 17:34:00 auchter mkfile?
15 17:35:00 andy753421 auchter: that's what i'm using, but it's still silly that i have a rules that contains `pdflatex report; bibtex report; pdflatex report; pdflatex report'
15 17:36:00 auchter yeah, it's a pain
15 17:36:00 auchter still better than any alternative
15 17:36:00 Morasique i have a shell script that does it
15 17:36:00 andy753421 true, latex looks nice but i can't say I like how it's organized
15 17:37:00 auchter as you mentioned the other day, tables are the main thing that bother me
15 17:37:00 auchter figures can occasionally be a pain as well
15 17:37:00 auchter but besides that, i think it's excellent
15 17:37:00 andy753421 yea, and figured inside tables really suck ;)
15 17:37:00 auchter i can't say i've done that, but i'm sure it's extremely painful
15 17:38:00 andy753421 indeed, i don't think it's even possible to resize images when you do that
15 17:39:00 andy753421 it'd be nice if someone could somehow refactor how latex is organized while keeping all the rendering code
15 17:39:00 andy753421 but I don't see that ever happening
15 17:39:00 auchter why wouldn't it be? it seems like the resizing would be done before inserting into the table
15 17:39:00 andy753421 you'd think so ;)
15 17:40:00 auchter so i'm wondering if it's tex's fault, or latex's fault...
15 17:40:00 andy753421 actually, it might be multirow's falut
15 17:40:00 andy753421 seeing as how you need to include a separate packages when you wan't a cell that is more than one row high..
15 17:41:00 auchter yeah... tables suck in latex
15 17:41:00 auchter it almost makes me want to learn tex and make my own macros package
15 17:42:00 auchter but then i look at tex and immediately reconsider
15 17:54:00 Mishtal http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGrasse_Tyson_Death_by_Black_Hole
15 17:54:00 Mishtal cool stuff.
15 18:50:00 Blazeix Yeah, that was a pretty good presentation
15 21:21:00 shadghost hi
15 21:21:00 shadghost can people help mount ntfs hd's
15 21:22:00 Blazeix http://www.techonthenet.com/linux/mount.php
15 21:22:00 shadghost in fstab
15 21:22:00 shadghost http://www.miraclesalad.com/webtools/clip.php?clip=1f40
15 21:24:00 Blazeix do you get some sort of error?
15 21:24:00 shadghost fuse: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/hda1: No such file or directory
15 21:24:00 shadghost all the way down
15 21:25:00 Blazeix make the directory
15 21:25:00 shadghost (except cleo but that comp is offline)
15 21:25:00 shadghost one still fails
15 21:26:00 Blazeix what's the error message on that one
15 21:26:00 shadghost woot
15 21:26:00 shadghost nm
15 21:26:00 shadghost it was me being stupid
15 21:27:00 shadghost thankes
15 21:27:00 Blazeix welcome
15 21:27:00 shadghost now have you shared ntfs hd;s as network shairs before?
15 21:28:00 Morasique "shairs". nice :)
15 21:29:00 Morasique using samba presumably?
15 21:29:00 shadghost ya
15 21:29:00 Blazeix http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/
15 21:30:00 Blazeix I've never automounted with fstab, I usually just mount them manually
15 21:30:00 Morasique Blazeix: er. i think that's the other way around. he wants to set up samba shares, not use them
15 21:30:00 Blazeix err, yeah. I should try reading what he's saying
15 21:30:00 shadghost Morasique: i want to do both, but i got samba working for mounting just not shairing
15 21:31:00 Morasique did you set up /etc/samba/smb.conf?
15 21:31:00 Blazeix /etc/samba/smb.conf is pretty readable, with a ton of comments
15 21:32:00 Morasique here's mine if it helps: http://pastebin.com/m72683d9f
15 21:32:00 Morasique and you have to enable a samba user with smbpasswd
15 21:36:00 shadghost do i need to reboot to get samba working
15 21:36:00 Morasique you have to start it
15 21:36:00 Morasique /etc/init.d/samba start
15 21:36:00 shadghost smb?
15 21:47:00 shadghost username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
15 21:47:00 shadghost i do not have that file
15 21:47:00 shadghost do i need to make one?
15 22:50:00 auchter doesn't understand all the love for smb
15 22:51:00 Morasique it lets you share with windows machines
15 22:52:00 auchter sounds about as fun as sharing a needle with an aids infected heroin addict
15 22:56:00 shadghost wow
15 22:56:00 shadghost your smb config is big compared to mine
15 22:57:00 Morasique well, when you're all grown up yours will be as big as mine
15 22:58:00 auchter is happy Morasique acted on that perfect opportunity
15 22:59:00 shadghost http://pastebin.com/m6373e5f7
15 22:59:00 shadghost mine
15 23:00:00 Morasique well, yours are public shares, you don't need to change defaults
15 23:00:00 Morasique all mine are private
15 23:01:00 shadghost ya, it was confusing working off of yours
15 23:03:00 Morasique that was my goal
15 23:04:00 auchter has anyone installed linux (specifically gentoo, i suppose) on a sparc64?
15 23:05:00 shadghost off to play games in wine
15 23:05:00 Morasique i remember when i used to play games. when opengl worked
15 23:06:00 tommost date
15 23:06:00 Morasique glares at his laptop
15 23:06:00 shadghost ya this is going to be strange
15 23:06:00 shadghost most people at the lan will be running xp
15 23:06:00 shadghost a few will be with vista
15 23:06:00 tommost ...I really need to add a clock to awesome.
15 23:06:00 Morasique oh wow, you're going to a lan party? i dual booted windows for that
15 23:06:00 shadghost and me all alone with ubuntu
15 23:06:00 Morasique tommost: you keep saying that, it takes like 2 minutes
15 23:07:00 tommost looks dejected
15 23:08:00 Morasique no, that was encouraging, it's trivial
15 23:08:00 andy753421 tommost: xclock
15 23:08:00 tommost andy753421: GAAAH!!! The ugliness!
15 23:09:00 andy753421 tommost: xclock -render
15 23:09:00 auchter tommost: xterm -e 'while true; do date; sleep 1; clear; done'
15 23:09:00 tommost That looks exactly the same.
15 23:10:00 Morasique you can customize xclock a lot, but i still wouldn't want to leave it open all the time when you can just put the date in a statusbar
15 23:10:00 andy753421 auchter: xterm -e 'watch -t date'
15 23:10:00 andy753421 tommost: xclock -d
15 23:11:00 tommost That's a gigantic waste of space.
15 23:11:00 auchter i need to stop forgetting about watch
15 23:11:00 Morasique i'm starting to suspect these suggestions are serious
15 23:11:00 Morasique this scares me
15 23:11:00 tommost Me too.
15 23:11:00 andy753421 i used xclock -d for abut 2 years
15 23:11:00 Morasique ...why?
15 23:11:00 andy753421 no, 1.5 years probably
15 23:11:00 Morasique oh. well that's sane then
15 23:11:00 andy753421 because i needed a clock, and i was using X?
15 23:11:00 auchter i run date in a while loop, which writes to a fifo which dwm reads from (when i use dwm)
15 23:12:00 andy753421 that's what I do these days as well, except it writes to standard out, and the script gets called automatically by wmii
15 23:12:00 tommost When do you not use dwm?
15 23:12:00 auchter wmii's still mostly voodoo to me since i haven't taken the time to really look at it
15 23:13:00 auchter tommost: i use wmii now
15 23:13:00 Morasique i do it in awesome with echo "0 widget_tell topbar clock text `date +\"%a, %e %b %Y :: %H:%M:%S (%s)\"`" | awesome-client in a loop
15 23:13:00 andy753421 yea.. date's default formatting works just fine for me
15 23:14:00 andy753421 although, i do use +%s on occasion
15 23:14:00 Morasique well, the format string wasn't really relevant, it was more telling tommost how trivial it is in the hopes that he finally does it
15 23:14:00 auchter date's default formatting sucks
15 23:14:00 tommost Indeed.
15 23:15:00 andy753421 what's wrong with it?
15 23:15:00 auchter date +%F%t%R
15 23:15:00 tommost Really, I only brought this up as an explanation for why I typed "date" into IRC.
15 23:17:00 andy753421 way to kill the topic
15 23:17:00 andy753421 Jerk.
15 23:18:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/files/2008-08-16-031552_1920x1200_scrot.png
15 23:18:00 auchter yay gentoo
15 23:18:00 Morasique i like to think i killed it with my obviously superior awesome solution
15 23:18:00 tommost Why must bash loops end with "done"? Seriously, I never remember it. "loop", "next", or "elihw" would all be easier.
15 23:19:00 auchter because algol is dumb
15 23:19:00 andy753421 well, they start with do, so i remember done
15 23:19:00 Morasique i'm rather partial to wend, but sadly nobody else is
15 23:19:00 andy753421 but yea, esac ftw
15 23:20:00 andy753421 I think we can conclude from that picture that #rhlug represents roughly 2/3's of auchter's life
15 23:20:00 tommost Which makes robotics the other third?
15 23:22:00 Morasique it looks like gentoo is the other third
15 23:22:00 andy753421 evince needs 'fit to text width'
15 23:23:00 tommost Indeed.
15 23:23:00 auchter i was away from #rhlug entirely too much today
15 23:23:00 andy753421 unfortunately, when I tried looking up how that would be implemented i got lost in a maze of about 13 different layers of abstraction
15 23:23:00 Morasique you could use adobe reader, but i suspect that's not a solution that appeals to you :)
15 23:23:00 auchter the abstractions make everything better, the provide a simple interface
15 23:24:00 auchter at least that's what i've been told by OO advocates
15 23:25:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/files/2008-08-16-032152_1920x1200_scrot.png
15 23:25:00 auchter i'm going to go ahead and blame gentoo's crazy colorings and screen's crappy terminal emulation for that mess
15 23:26:00 andy753421 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169676
15 23:47:00 Morasique http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154
15 23:49:00 tommost Octal numbers? What an ass.
15 23:51:00 auchter i like octal, it's easier for me to convert to/from binary than anything else
15 23:51:00 auchter my only complaint is that 8/3 is not integral
15 23:52:00 auchter s/easier/the easiest/
15 23:52:00 auchter i should really get around to filing a bug report for that problem
15 23:57:00 Morasique from netflix: "We pride ourselves in delighting you, and we've let you down." I want to reply and let them know i'm not nearly as aggrieved as they seem to think
15 23:58:00 andy753422 has anyone ever figured out why latex has \begin{foo}..\end{foo} as well as \foo{..}?
15 23:58:00 Morasique the former is an environment, the latter is a function call
16 00:48:00 jboticsource http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/13/dell-introduces-laptops
16 01:38:00 tommost andy753422: I've added replacement of lug.phire.org with lug.rose-hulman.edu in links in logview and checked it in.
16 01:38:00 andy753422 what?
16 01:39:00 tommost When linking links it will replace "lug.phire.org" with "lug.rose-hulman.edu" in the href (not the visible part).
16 01:39:00 andy753422 alright
16 01:40:00 tommost It's not compatible with Python 2.4, though.
16 01:42:00 andy753422 alright
16 01:43:00 tommost Oh, has 2.5 moved into stable with the Gentoo release?
16 01:43:00 andy753422 no, i'm starting to get a bit annoyed about that actually
16 01:44:00 andy753422 i might update it anyway, since it's not actually running on my server anymore
16 01:44:00 tommost Yeah, 2.6 is nearly out. What is the criteria for "stable"?
16 01:44:00 andy753422 i have no idea, i think the gentoo python team is just lazy or something
16 01:44:00 tommost Must be.
16 01:45:00 andy753422 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148333
16 01:45:00 andy753422 that has the list of blockers
16 01:46:00 andy753422 my guess is that none of the gentoo developers care enough about python to write patches for the broken applications
16 01:47:00 andy753422 looks like it's because of people trying to use stuff from the future :P
16 01:47:00 tommost Where do you see that?
16 01:47:00 andy753422 the bug descriptions for the last two blockers
16 01:48:00 andy753422 "SyntaxError: from __future__ imports must occur at the beginning of the file"
16 01:48:00 tommost Heh. That's a silly error.
16 01:48:00 tommost That has to be one simple patch.
16 01:48:00 andy753422 as i said, apparently none of the gentoo developer care ;)
16 01:49:00 tommost Oh, and that's an ancient future import, too. Nested scopes have been on by default for like 3 releases.
16 01:50:00 tommost Does Gentoo not support multiple parallel installations of Python?
16 01:50:00 andy753422 tommost it does
16 01:54:00 tommost But I take it that there aren't 2.4 and 2.5 versions of libraries? For example, I believe that Ubuntu has 2.4 and 2.5 compatible versions of wxpython.
16 01:54:00 andy753422 you can install both wxpython 2.6 and 2.8 if that means anything to you
16 01:55:00 andy753422 i imagine that when you install either it just uses (links against?) the largest version library
16 01:55:00 tommost I don't think that's the same; wx is one of those projects that seems to have several mutually incompatible APIs out there that just won't die—2.6 being that one.
16 01:56:00 andy753422 you have to run some silly python updater script whenever you install a new version of python so that the it makes all the python packages use the new version of python
16 01:56:00 tommost Weird. I wonder if apt is doing that behind the scenes.
16 01:57:00 andy753422 don't know, it seems silly, especially since ld has handled that with compiled libraries for who knows how long
16 01:58:00 tommost Yeah, it doesn't quite fit with my understanding of how Python libraries work, either.
16 01:58:00 andy753422 i guess that's what you get for trying to put everything into a single large library though, you cant fine tune the compatibility numbers for individual packages
16 01:59:00 andy753422 well, for one python want's all it's libraries installed in /usr/lib/python2.?/site-packages/
16 01:59:00 tommost Actually, on Ubuntu you can. There are separate site-libraries directories for 2.4 and 2.5.
16 01:59:00 andy753422 so everything is in the wrong place when you update
16 02:00:00 andy753422 yea, i hate programs that put libraries under the prefix of some other library, like tex for example
16 02:00:00 andy753422 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/.. WTF?
16 02:01:00 andy753422 why not install just cp to /usr/libexec/things_that_use_linux/things_that_use_c/things_that_are_part_of_coreutils/bin
16 02:02:00 andy753422 /rant
16 02:04:00 tommost A lot of the stuff in my version-specific /usr/lib/python2.?/site-packages directories seems to be symlinks to other places.
16 02:08:00 andy753422 that reminds me of gnu stuff..
16 02:08:00 andy753422 why union directories are better: http://pastie.org/254036
16 02:09:00 tommost Mmmm.
16 02:09:00 tommost I'm wondering if this is a Debian thing or the standard way of doing it on Linux.
16 02:10:00 andy753422 the python stuff?
16 02:10:00 tommost Yeah.
16 02:10:00 tommost From what you're saying I take it that GNU stuff is always done like that.
16 02:10:00 andy753422 my guess is debian/ubuntu, i think those types of things are usually handled by the distributions
16 02:11:00 andy753422 i don't even know, infact, i don't particularly care to
16 02:11:00 andy753422 gentoo have some funny `eselect' utility that manages multiple copies of everything by moving around symlinks
16 02:12:00 tommost Same here. This is why I don't want to do Linux from scratch.
16 02:12:00 andy753422 this is why i don't what to do linux ;)
16 02:12:00 andy753422 if you do LFS you don't have multiple copies of things
16 02:12:00 andy753422 because you _know_ which one you want
16 02:13:00 andy753422 i imagine the BSDs are probably better at these sorts of things, but I've never used them so I don't know
16 02:13:00 tommost I suppose. But that doesn't solve the Python thing—the official way to have absolute backwards compatibility is to use an older interpreter.
16 02:14:00 andy753422 then just don't use programs that aren't forward compatible ;)
16 02:14:00 andy753422 that'll show those arrogant developers :P
16 02:14:00 tommost :D
16 02:15:00 andy753422 you know, we could always just turn linux into IE
16 02:16:00 tommost Heh.
16 02:16:00 shadghost ARGG
16 02:16:00 andy753422 ARGV
16 02:16:00 shadghost fing stupid networking people
16 02:17:00 shadghost they thought that if they connected two routers via the wlan port that it would all act as one network
16 02:17:00 andy753422 i wonder if argv was chosen over arga (array) and argl (list) because v is closer to c..
16 03:00:00 Morasique i always assumed the v in argv stood for values, apparently it's "vector"
16 03:08:00 andy753422 :w
16 03:34:00 Morasique that was odd. 5 portage mirrors in a row were missing the file i was trying to download
16 23:51:00 Mishtal wow, this is the deadest ive seen lugchat for a long time
17 01:40:00 Morasique Mishtal: we actually almost made it a full day without anyone saying anything
17 01:43:00 Mishtal Morasique: oh... sorry. my bad
17 01:43:00 Morasique er. no, it's not like we were going to win a prize or something if we made it
17 01:43:00 Morasique afaik
17 01:44:00 Mishtal well, yea, but i guess that officially makes me the only one to say anything yesterday. it would have been cool to tell the grandkids one day "and one day, the lug channel had no words spoken for an entire 24 hours" it would blow their little cyborg minds to try to imagine
17 01:52:00 Morasique there was some talking early yesterday, it would've been 24 hours at 3am, so you're safe there
17 02:13:00 bolandmg Good news, everyone! It's quite simple to rip the stupid touch stick out of an nw8440!
17 02:13:00 bolandmg Unfortunately, the spot for the B key on the board is shaped differently from all the others
17 02:14:00 bolandmg so after rearranging my keys to Dvorak layout, my X and B have to be switched
17 02:15:00 bolandmg typing in Dvorak is such a mindfuck
17 02:17:00 Morasique why are you doing it?
17 02:18:00 bolandmg 1) Shits
17 02:18:00 bolandmg 2) Giggles
17 02:19:00 bolandmg I suppose I should elaborate on the process on the off chance that someone comes across this in the backlog in the future and wishes to attempt it, because I know some people (like me) hate that damn thing anyway
17 02:20:00 bolandmg (Make sure you unplug the computer and remove the battery before doing this. Also, just to be on the safe side, touch a piece of grounded metal.)
17 02:20:00 bolandmg Step one: If it didn't fall off years ago like mine, remove the cap from the touch stick
17 02:21:00 bolandmg Step two: Flip the computer over and remove the two screws with the keyboard signs next to them (it's a Torx head of some sort - I dug through bits until I found one that fit)
17 02:21:00 bolandmg Step three: On the keyboard, slide down the four black bars in between the sets of F keys. This should release the keyboard from the rest of the computer and you can lift it up, but be careful of the connecting ribbon.
17 02:22:00 bolandmg Step four: Carefully disconnect the ribbons that go from the keyboard and touch stick controller to the computer.
17 02:23:00 bolandmg Step five: Pop off the keys from around the touch stick and remove the three tiny black screws around it. (Small Philips-head screws)
17 02:24:00 bolandmg Step six: On the back of the keyboard assembly, there is a plastic sheet covering the touch stick daughterboard. Peel up one side of it so it can be moved out of the way (or remove if all the way if you like, but I wanted to be able to reattach it easily later).
17 02:25:00 bolandmg Step seven: Carefully pry the daughterboard from the back of the keyboard. The circuit board itself is on a tiny metal rack, and the rack is held to the keyboard only by glue since we removed the screws a few steps ago. Get some leverage and pry it off. The glue isn't that strong, but be careful not to snap your keyboard.
17 02:26:00 bolandmg Step eight: The board should be off now. Simply peel the ribbon coming from it off the back of the keyboard assembly. Your touch stick should now be removed. Discard / eat / place somewhere safe. I am not responsible for the result of you eating it (or the results of you doing any of this stuff, for that matter).
17 02:27:00 bolandmg Step nine: Reassemble by (gasp) doing the disassembly in reverse and enjoy your new life without that stupid annoying touch stick. Use your newfound freedom to rearrange your keys into something new and exciting! Or not. Just remember that B has to stay where it is due to its unique shape among the letter keys.
17 02:28:00 bolandmg That was not typed on Dvorak because that would have taken twelve months at my current Dvorak speed. It's nice to know that I know qwerty by feel, though.
17 02:31:00 bolandmg I wonder what IAIT would say if I took my laptop to them now
17 02:36:00 bolandmg Unforseen consequence! All of my keyboard shortcuts now feel different! Anyway, nobody wants to hear me rant anymore. A dieu.
17 16:52:00 Blazeix So, I went to Circuit City to get a replacement power supply for a server
17 16:52:00 Blazeix The employee led me to the laptop battery section
17 16:52:00 Blazeix then, realizing his mistake, led me over to the power cord section.
17 17:30:00 Morasique Blazeix: think if you'd gone to best buy, you would've walked out with an xbox or something
17 17:43:00 Morasique python people (maybe just tommost): this is interesting: http://arvindn.livejournal.com/68137.html
17 17:56:00 tommost Cute.
17 17:56:00 tommost He wants to use functools.partial() for pSplit
17 17:57:00 auchter actually, that looks cool
17 17:58:00 auchter plus, with a name like that, how can you go wrong?
17 19:42:00 Morasique add ripping and burning to the list of things that are way better from the command-line than a gui
17 19:56:00 tommost Ripping, yes. But Nautilus makes burning so trivial that I've never bothered to figure out how to do it from the command line.
17 19:58:00 Morasique tommost: well, i don't have nautilus, but i'm a huge fan of scripted burning, it's really fast to burn a whole bunch of stuff
17 19:58:00 tommost What do you use to do that?
17 19:58:00 Morasique i actually should just change my script to take a whole directory and just break it up into disc-sized pieces automatically
17 19:58:00 Morasique cdrecord
17 19:59:00 Morasique i'm watching the new posts on pastebin because i'm bored, there's a guy really sucking at developing a php application, i want a way to contact him to help
17 20:00:00 Morasique i should make something that scrapes the pastebin new posts and displays them automatically that i could just leave open in a terminal. it's pretty entertaining
17 20:00:00 tommost Is there a feed for pastebin?
17 20:02:00 Morasique no, normal people don't read all the posts, but there's a recent posts things on the left
17 20:05:00 Morasique impressive copy/pasting action: http://pastebin.com/m419cdd0e
17 20:07:00 tommost You are painfully bored.
17 20:08:00 tommost Here, read this: http://damienkatz.net/2008/08/rest-i-just-dont-get-it.html
17 20:08:00 Morasique i have, actually
17 20:10:00 Morasique i do believe this is a guide to beating a guitar hero song: http://pastebin.com/d154e93e5
17 20:12:00 Morasique cool, WEP key: http://pastebin.com/m6650b142
17 20:12:00 Morasique i keep waiting for somebody to post a password
17 20:15:00 tommost How did you come to read that? I'm curious.
17 20:16:00 Morasique what?
17 20:16:00 tommost The Damien Katz thing.
17 20:17:00 Morasique oh. it was on reddit
17 20:17:00 tommost Oh, that explains it.
17 20:17:00 tommost Here, read this: http://www.terrorisland.net/strips/001.html
17 20:20:00 Blazeix is the rose LDAP down? I'm not sure if the server is down or if I configured something incorrectly.
17 20:22:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mrozekma/LDAP/ says no
17 20:22:00 Morasique oh wait. maybe yes
17 20:22:00 Morasique i didn't get an error, but it didn't return anything
17 20:22:00 Morasique odd
17 20:23:00 Blazeix I'm getting results, so it appears to be up
17 20:24:00 Morasique oh, yeah, it works now. i wonder why it didn't the first time
17 20:25:00 Morasique on an unrelated note, it concerns me that i'm apparently still in the math major group. i was under the impression i dropped that major some time ago
17 20:29:00 Blazeix Yeah, it still seems to list all the graduated seniors as still enrolled
17 20:29:00 Blazeix well, some of them at least
17 20:32:00 Morasique tommost: please tell me your computer is not named after the thimble in this comic
17 20:34:00 Morasique "All of my computers are named after characters from Terror Island, a wonderful webcomic populated entirely by gamepieces. "
17 20:34:00 Morasique oh dear
17 20:39:00 Morasique i was wondering why iait would be editing addiator's ldap configuration. and then i realized it was Blazeix
17 20:46:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis1: i'm sensing you might be running as root :)
17 20:48:00 Blazeix On windows, no less
17 20:50:00 tommost Morasique: You bet it is.
17 20:50:00 tommost Also, all of my other computers.
17 20:50:00 tommost And one of my hard drives.
17 20:50:00 tommost And my cell phone.
17 20:55:00 Morasique tommost: you worry me
17 20:57:00 Blazeix Morasique: Are you connecting to dc-1.rose-hulman.edu
17 20:57:00 Blazeix in that LDAP script
17 20:58:00 Morasique the code is at the bottom
17 20:58:00 Morasique i think so
17 20:58:00 Blazeix oh, I should have seen that, thanks
17 20:59:00 tommost Morasique: You're the one reading every paste.
17 21:00:00 Morasique touche
17 21:37:00 Morasique hmm: http://pastebin.com/m4f44180d
17 22:34:00 tommost collinjc: 5:30, right?
17 22:34:00 collinjc I believe so. Do you know where we are meeting?
17 22:34:00 Morasique the ratio of weekdays in a week to days in a month? yes
17 22:35:00 tommost The circle in front of admissions.
17 22:36:00 collinjc Okay. Sounds good.
17 22:39:00 tommost collinjc: #rhrt
17 22:43:00 collinjc Is that the robotics team channel?
17 22:43:00 jboticsource yes
17 22:43:00 Morasique in theory
17 22:44:00 tommost In actuality.
17 22:44:00 collinjc Cool. Now if only I could remember how to configure Pidgin to use it.
17 22:45:00 jboticsource buddies > add chat
17 22:45:00 tommost http://137.112.99.22/wiki/internal/joining-irc
17 22:46:00 Morasique i think pidgin supports /join
17 22:46:00 tommost It does.
17 22:47:00 collinjc It does, but I quite like the autojoin functionality.
17 22:50:00 collinjc povilusr_desktop: You have an Eee 901, right?
17 22:59:00 tommost Oooo... ahead of schedule.
17 23:08:00 kleinjt eh?
17 23:13:00 Morasique can somebody with nothing better to do try playing this: http://www.soundsnap.com/node/35247
17 23:13:00 Morasique when i download it and play it in mplayer it sounds different from when i play it on the webpage
17 23:18:00 Mishtal http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1598858/robot_power_suit/ cool stuff
17 23:18:00 Mishtal download as mp3?
17 23:18:00 Mishtal Morasique: ?
17 23:19:00 Morasique doesn't matter for me
17 23:19:00 Morasique all the clips have the same problem, the downloaded copy plays too fast at the beginning
17 23:20:00 Mishtal in unrelated questions, does anyone have an idea why starting firefox will make wine's virtual desktop open...?
17 23:21:00 Mishtal Morasique: the sound sounds the same for me on the webpage as with VLC
17 23:22:00 Morasique maybe it's mplayer. i'll think about getting vlc
17 23:22:00 Morasique thanks
18 10:30:00 Morasique i'm scared: http://www.mrozekma.com/omnom.png
18 11:00:00 auchter i'm more scared that you seem to have acquired a domain name
18 11:02:00 Morasique i've had it for months, i just never changed it to point to my apartment. fortunately i got on that just in time to go back to rose
18 11:03:00 auchter excellent. interesting naming scheme you have for your computers, too
18 11:38:00 auchter man, trying to dial in my grinder to pull a good shot of spresso is a dangerous process; half hour in and i've already had three double shots
18 11:38:00 auchter s/spresso/e&/
18 11:43:00 Morasique well, i was going to name them after gamepieces from a webcomic, but that was taken
18 11:43:00 Morasique s/dangerous/delicious/
18 11:47:00 auchter no, that substitution doesn't work; my grinds on the past three have been way too coarse, so the shots have been taking about 10s, which is way too fast
18 11:53:00 Morasique oh. well, stop failing
18 12:27:00 Morasique i'm looking at algebra i scrolled on a piece of paper during a meeting on friday, it's stunningly wrong. i can't believe i wrote this
18 12:28:00 Morasique s/scrolled/scrawled/
18 12:32:00 auchter Morasique: i've just started to blame maple for those kind of situations
18 12:32:00 auchter s/kind/&s/
18 12:35:00 Morasique i'm a fan of that
18 13:28:00 Morasique wow. i just had a bug in my java program because i used == instead of .equals. i hate myself
19 00:11:00 ZetaSyanthis http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html
19 00:11:00 ZetaSyanthis cool little gizmo
19 00:14:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: yeah, i've been interested in that since yoder mentioned it last year
19 00:14:00 auchter didn't you do a project with one?
19 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis I wa debating using it
19 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis At the time I was concerned with its state of development
19 00:16:00 ZetaSyanthis and whether it'd be ready in time for my senior design project to be completed
19 00:16:00 auchter ah, i see.
19 00:17:00 ZetaSyanthis We ended up not using it, but it looks like they've come a long way remarkably fast
19 00:17:00 ZetaSyanthis Yoder was my connection to it at rose
19 00:17:00 auchter i'll likely pick one up soon... any rose discounts? ;)
19 00:17:00 ZetaSyanthis If you can pull off using it for some senior design project or something, padgett can get it free
19 00:17:00 ZetaSyanthis he worked for ti for a while
19 00:18:00 ZetaSyanthis their IRC channel is actually #beagle
19 00:18:00 ZetaSyanthis on freenode
19 00:18:00 auchter yeah, i was thinking about using it for a car computer
19 00:19:00 ZetaSyanthis That price for feature ratio is nuts though
19 00:19:00 ZetaSyanthis ah, cool
19 00:19:00 ZetaSyanthis That POP package is the coolest thing I've seen, I think
19 00:20:00 ZetaSyanthis the triple processor/ram/flash stack as one chip
19 00:20:00 auchter that's madness
19 00:20:00 ZetaSyanthis Though I worked on a project this summer that makes that board look poor and inadequate... http://www.altera.com/products/ip/processors/nios2/tools/c2h/ni2-c2h.html
19 00:21:00 auchter oh, c6000? you mean i can actually go through the pain of hand-optimizing loops again?
19 00:21:00 ZetaSyanthis haha
19 00:21:00 ZetaSyanthis only if you want
19 00:21:00 ZetaSyanthis I basically did that all summer :/
19 00:21:00 ZetaSyanthis on a related note FFTs are nasty
19 00:21:00 auchter actually, it'd be cool to be able to actually use that
19 00:22:00 ZetaSyanthis the c6k, or the c2h?
19 00:22:00 auchter c6k
19 00:22:00 auchter c2h scares me as much now as when you previously mentioned it
19 00:22:00 ZetaSyanthis nods
19 00:23:00 ZetaSyanthis that c2h compiler is buggy as fuck, but now that I know how to work it, it's crazy
19 00:23:00 ZetaSyanthis very very cool for specific apps
19 00:23:00 ZetaSyanthis but the 48+ hour compiles suck ass
19 00:23:00 auchter you need to join the robotics team
19 00:24:00 ZetaSyanthis I was on it at some point
19 00:24:00 ZetaSyanthis then it kinda fell apart and I left
19 00:24:00 auchter well, it's less fallen apart now
19 00:24:00 ZetaSyanthis poke me when meetings are and I'll show up
19 00:24:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm working on a quadruped robot for senior design, so I think I'm interested :P
19 00:24:00 auchter ah, awesome
19 00:25:00 Morasique auchter said "that's madness" and not one person made a 300 joke? this channel blows
19 00:25:00 ZetaSyanthis "that's" and "this is" are different words :)
19 00:25:00 ZetaSyanthis phrases, even
19 00:25:00 auchter 300 is an awful, horrible movie
19 00:26:00 ZetaSyanthis haha, and that's what makes it awesome :P
19 00:26:00 ZetaSyanthis it's kinda like a brain cleaner, just lets you not think for like 2.5 hours
19 00:28:00 ZetaSyanthis anyways, we were going to use that beagleboard to do normal processing on the arm core and video processing on the c6k core
19 00:28:00 ZetaSyanthis it's very good for that, but the toolchain is very complicated
19 00:28:00 ZetaSyanthis we simply didn't have time to deal with it within 2 quarters
19 00:28:00 auchter yeah, i was wondering how easy it would be to utilise the c6k
19 00:28:00 ZetaSyanthis it's... different
19 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis We abandoned it fairly quickly when it became evident that running it without some form linux would be nearly impossible
19 00:29:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm a fan of linux, but we didn't have time to deal with it
19 00:31:00 ZetaSyanthis I feel as though I have alienated myself from this channel with that comment :/
19 00:36:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: no, we never liked you
19 00:37:00 ZetaSyanthis I shall build a Linux-powered robot to atone for my shame.
19 00:38:00 auchter no, simply join the robotics team and work on a semi-existing linux-powered robot
19 00:38:00 Morasique i've started to suspect that lug is just a recruiting ground for robotics
19 00:38:00 Morasique or maybe it's the other way around. i'm not sure
19 00:39:00 ZetaSyanthis That works, auchter
19 00:39:00 ZetaSyanthis When are the meetings?
19 00:40:00 ZetaSyanthis I think it's just that true computer enthusiasts build both robots and use linux
19 00:40:00 ZetaSyanthis so we're drawn to both
19 00:41:00 shadghost yo
19 00:41:00 shadghost i can not rember how to start the samba server
19 00:42:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: rather sporadically, uh, tuesdays at 8, i think
19 00:42:00 ZetaSyanthis ' /etc/init.d/samba restart
19 00:42:00 auchter maybe 8:30, depending on whether or not tommost was confused
19 00:42:00 shadghost ZetaSyanthis: thanks
19 00:42:00 ZetaSyanthis I should be able to make those
19 00:42:00 ZetaSyanthis depends on korean team meetings a bit, as we meet about that time usually
19 00:42:00 ZetaSyanthis 13 hour time differences suck
19 00:43:00 auchter tom's responsible for sending out the meeting reminder emails, which apparently serve only to confuse everyone about the actual meeting time
19 00:43:00 ZetaSyanthis haha, excellent
19 00:43:00 ZetaSyanthis well, I should sign up for those
19 00:44:00 ZetaSyanthis where do I go for that? to a meeting first, I imagine?
19 00:44:00 jboticsource he does that for the robotics team also. He takes great care in his emails. They are so good that they confuse us.
19 00:46:00 auchter jboticsource: we're actually talking about the robotics team...
19 00:46:00 auchter ZetaSyanthis: http://mailman.rose-hulman.edu/mailman/listinfo/arc
19 00:46:00 jboticsource explains alot
19 00:47:00 Morasique that samba command better not have helped, because i said that exact thing days ago :)
19 00:47:00 ZetaSyanthis haha
19 00:50:00 auchter one of the classic robotics team meeting reminders: http://dpaste.com/72308/
19 00:56:00 ZetaSyanthis That message is indeed confusing
19 00:56:00 ZetaSyanthis and at the same time, amusing
19 01:00:00 Morasique Well now Blazeix's LUG reminders suck by comparison
19 01:02:00 auchter this one was considerably less confusing, yet even more tangential: http://dpaste.com/72309/
19 01:02:00 Morasique i like that one
19 01:09:00 ZetaSyanthis that one is quite good too
19 01:10:00 kleinj1 Does anyone have an idea where the logview source might be hiding? There is a bugfix/feature I'd like to take a stab at adding, but I'm afraid if I told tom he'd fix it/add the feature before I got a shot at it.
19 01:10:00 kleinj1 This has nothing to do with rigging the scoreboard.
19 01:11:00 kleinj1 I thought i'd clear that up now
19 01:13:00 auchter i know it's in a subversion repository somewhere
19 01:14:00 auchter kleinj1: https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/rhlug-web/trunk/irc/logview/
19 01:15:00 kleinj1 auchter: thanks
19 01:16:00 Morasique i don't think andy753421 has updated in the last forever, so i don't think the bugfix will do much :)
19 01:18:00 Morasique oh, karma is in there
19 01:21:00 kleinj1 er.. after looking at the source code what I was thinking about wasn't a bug, never mind
19 18:19:00 auchter woo, suspend to ram works on my laptop with 2.6.26.2
19 18:29:00 Morasique wow: http://sleep.fm/
19 18:29:00 Morasique i am hard pressed to think of something less useful
19 20:47:00 auchter i'm guessing solaris saying "panic: no entry point in kernel/amd64/unix" is a bad thing.
19 21:37:00 dpick hey
19 21:55:00 auchter hello
19 22:05:00 Morasique well that was exciting
19 22:06:00 auchter dpick: you go to rose, i assume?
19 22:13:00 Morasique auchter: you broke him
19 22:14:00 auchter well, that means i've broken two things in the past two hours
19 22:14:00 Morasique you got suspend to ram working though, so that counts for something
19 22:15:00 auchter i didn't actually do anything to get it working, i just tried it and it worked
19 22:15:00 auchter i just got a new battery for my laptop yesterday, so i finally had cause to try
19 22:16:00 Morasique oh. well, in the future pretend like it was an epic struggle
19 22:22:00 auchter well, if it makes it seem more difficult, i do remember it not working the last time i had tried
19 22:37:00 dpick sorry you guys weren't answering and i left
19 22:37:00 dpick yeah i go to rose
19 22:38:00 Morasique i blame tommost, he does the talking
19 22:38:00 dpick alright i'll blame him too
19 22:39:00 Morasique what year/major?
19 22:39:00 dpick soph SE
19 22:39:00 dpick you guys?
19 22:41:00 Morasique senior cs
19 22:41:00 ZetaSyanthis senior cpe
19 22:42:00 auchter junior cpe
19 22:42:00 dpick anyway i did actually come here with a question
19 22:42:00 dpick i've xubuntu running on my laptop
19 22:43:00 dpick everything works great expect i get about 1/4 of the battery life compared to windows
19 22:44:00 dpick any ideas or known issues?
19 22:44:00 Morasique you can try apt-get install laptop-mode, although i think there are downsides to that
19 22:44:00 Morasique i never used it
19 22:44:00 Morasique but it turns on power-saving stuff
19 22:45:00 dpick hmm i'll check it out
19 22:45:00 dpick thanks
19 22:46:00 Morasique if you cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info you can see the design capacity and max full capacity to see if it's not charging properly, but if it was working on windows that shouldn't be a problem
19 22:48:00 dpick no BAT0, only C1BD and C1BE
19 22:48:00 auchter dpick: check out intel's powertop, too. it gives some useful suggestions for reducing power use
19 22:48:00 auchter dpick: C1BE is your main battery
19 22:49:00 Morasique oh. crazy sophomore/junior laptops
19 22:49:00 auchter here's mine for reference: http://dpaste.com/72591/
19 22:49:00 Morasique all that really matters is the last full capacity gets somewhere near the design capacity
19 22:50:00 dpick the last full and design are the same
19 22:50:00 Morasique unlike my very impressive 1474 last full out of 7200 design
19 22:50:00 Morasique ok, so it's just draining too fast. laptop-mode should help
19 22:50:00 auchter yeah, but if his battery life is significantly less than in windows, the present rate of discharge is important
19 22:51:00 Morasique oh, that's in state. i forgot about that
19 22:51:00 auchter i'm not yet using laptop mode, but using the ondemand frequency scaler helps a lot
19 22:51:00 dpick alright
19 22:51:00 Morasique yeah, it might be worth checking that to see if it's ridiculous
19 22:51:00 dpick i'll give both of those a try
19 22:52:00 dpick something strange is going on though, cause the xubuntu battery meter tends to give me crazy readings
19 22:52:00 dpick if i've just come off of a charge it reports about the right amount of time
19 22:52:00 dpick and then it drops really quickly
19 22:53:00 Morasique is it accurate?
19 22:53:00 dpick its a little lower than windows usually ways but it was in the right range
19 22:53:00 dpick was
19 22:53:00 Morasique i mean when it gets to 0 does the machine die?
19 22:53:00 dpick yeah
19 22:53:00 Morasique or is it showing the wrong value
19 22:53:00 dpick it dies
19 22:54:00 Morasique nothing's wrong with the meter then, just ubuntu is draining your battery more. probably do whatever auchter said, he has basically the same model
19 22:54:00 dpick alright
19 22:54:00 dpick thanks
19 22:54:00 Morasique and if you get desperate just steal tommost's laptop, he's cool with that
19 22:55:00 dpick eh its not like anywhere is far from a plug on campus
19 22:57:00 dpick auchter: how would i go about enabling the on demand frequency scaler?
19 22:58:00 auchter in your kernel config: power management->cpu frequency scaling
19 22:58:00 auchter you can chose the default scaler, etc.
19 22:59:00 dpick k
19 23:01:00 Morasique i think ubuntu does cpu frequency scaling automatically if i recall correctly
19 23:04:00 dpick it was set to on demand already
19 23:04:00 dpick so i'm guessing it does
19 23:05:00 auchter ah, ok. i didn't know what ubuntu did by default
19 23:10:00 auchter also, if you want a semi-good approximation of remaining battery life (in hours): (cat /proc/acpi/battery/C1BE/state | sed -n 's/.\+: \+\(.*\) mAh\?/\1/p'; echo '10kr/f') | dc
19 23:14:00 dpick thanks
19 23:14:00 dpick what distros are you guys running?
19 23:14:00 auchter gentoo
19 23:15:00 auchter really, i think it's a pretty even split between gentoo users and ubuntu users here (though the ubuntu users may still be winning)
19 23:15:00 auchter we do have one or two sad cases of people using arch, though
19 23:17:00 dpick ah
19 23:17:00 dpick i tried gentoo a few years ago
19 23:17:00 dpick but got too frusturated when i couldn't make everything work right :P
19 23:17:00 auchter seems to be common, for some reason
19 23:18:00 dpick haha who would have guessed
19 23:18:00 auchter i've had the exact opposite experience; gentoo makes things so easy that i don't have to muck around with my computer
19 23:18:00 auchter i used to use slackware (and then crux), but the lack of decent package management ended up frustrating me
19 23:19:00 dpick yeah i could see that
19 23:19:00 auchter then last year i gave arch a try, and it reminded me why i stopped using binary distributions years ago
19 23:19:00 dpick i dunno maybe i'll try gentoo again, after comp arch, hopefully then i'll know a little more about whats going on with the hardware
19 23:20:00 auchter comp arch won't really give you any useful knowledge for gentoo
19 23:20:00 dpick haha ok
19 23:20:00 auchter an incredibly fun course, though
19 23:20:00 Morasique auchter: i think if we count both my machines ubuntu and gentoo are split
19 23:21:00 Morasique that's what somebody said a few months ago anyway
19 23:21:00 auchter gentoo: auchter Morasique octavious luglog
19 23:21:00 dpick i've got 2 running ubuntu
19 23:21:00 Morasique and don't tell lies about comp arch
19 23:22:00 auchter ubuntu: dpick ferrelaj_work tommost_aorist ZetaSyanthis (or are you using arch?)
19 23:22:00 auchter and i'm just assuming that povilusr_desktop is running windows
19 23:22:00 Morasique well, andy753421 is usually here, he runs gentoo
19 23:22:00 auchter rr73's a wildcard too, i suppose
19 23:22:00 ZetaSyanthis arch atm
19 23:22:00 auchter splitter
19 23:22:00 ZetaSyanthis ubuntu's pissed me off
19 23:22:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis: what has Blazeix done to you?
19 23:23:00 ZetaSyanthis nothing, it's just better
19 23:23:00 ZetaSyanthis ubuntu is a little too bloaty
19 23:23:00 auchter i've use arch. it's awful
19 23:23:00 Morasique i planned on trying arch if i didn't like gentoo
19 23:24:00 ZetaSyanthis arch is about halfway between debian and gentoo
19 23:24:00 ZetaSyanthis as far as I can tell
19 23:24:00 auchter arch is about halfway between windows and mac osx in terms of the pain i experienced while using it
19 23:24:00 ZetaSyanthis rofl, why?
19 23:25:00 Morasique it's scary that a distro is bad enough to invoke mac os comparisons
19 23:25:00 ZetaSyanthis I've no idea where that comparison comes from
19 23:25:00 auchter it was slow, and i'm pretty sure i never got flash working properly
19 23:26:00 ZetaSyanthis erm, no?
19 23:26:00 auchter not many packages available
19 23:26:00 ZetaSyanthis when did you use it?
19 23:26:00 auchter can't install more than one package at a time
19 23:26:00 auchter last year
19 23:26:00 ZetaSyanthis so, all those things are wrong now
19 23:26:00 auchter flash would crash and complain about not being able to find a shared library, which i'm blaming on the binary package management
19 23:27:00 ZetaSyanthis not sure when that changed, but I've had no issues running it on my server or laptop
19 23:27:00 auchter s/crash/not start/
19 23:27:00 ZetaSyanthis aye, I use that as my web-browsing machine, so I use flash
19 23:27:00 ZetaSyanthis no problems whatsoever
19 23:28:00 Morasique he's lying. it's a Blazeix/ZetaSyanthis conspiracy
19 23:28:00 auchter oh, i'm sure you don't, but a program installed through a package manager complaining about not finding a shared library? that's stupid
19 23:28:00 ZetaSyanthis rofl, no
19 23:28:00 dpick arch looks interesting, i might install it in a virtual machine and give it a try
19 23:29:00 auchter well, at least it's better than solaris
19 23:29:00 auchter kicks his file server which is refusing to boot
19 23:29:00 ZetaSyanthis rofl
19 23:29:00 ZetaSyanthis I'm not going to say it :)
19 23:29:00 ZetaSyanthis did you get ZFS going?
19 23:30:00 ZetaSyanthis kinda curious because I've heard good things
19 23:30:00 auchter i've used ZFS for over a year
19 23:31:00 auchter it works fine, except the part about no other operating system except FreeBSD (and some fuse thing which likely doesn't work well) being able to read it
19 23:31:00 ZetaSyanthis :/
19 23:34:00 auchter which, admittedly, i knew about before i started using it
19 23:34:00 auchter just now that i want to migrate to linux, it makes the process painful
19 23:35:00 ZetaSyanthis well, if you ever get zfs working under fuse, you should present on it :)
19 23:35:00 auchter i'm not even going to try, i'm just trying to back my data up across whatever drives i can find, format, and copy back
19 23:36:00 ZetaSyanthis heh
19 23:36:00 Morasique you should demand hard drives from povilusr, he has entirely too many
19 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis I can probably help you with a backup too, if you wait a week
19 23:37:00 ZetaSyanthis 4.6 TB :)
19 23:37:00 shadghost hugs everyone
19 23:37:00 shadghost has 2 tb's
19 23:37:00 dpick wow you beat me only 3.75 TB
19 23:38:00 Morasique is concerned about shadghost's need to constantly hug everyone
19 23:38:00 Morasique and wtf could you all possibly need that much space for
19 23:39:00 dpick movies and tv shows :P
19 23:39:00 ZetaSyanthis well, lets start with every scifi tv show and then go from there
19 23:39:00 shadghost movies tv shows animaes
19 23:39:00 ZetaSyanthis nope, no anime
19 23:39:00 shadghost games
19 23:39:00 ZetaSyanthis oh yeah, games/other isos
19 23:40:00 shadghost some for xp
19 23:40:00 shadghost backing up random people computers
19 23:40:00 ZetaSyanthis and I use half for a mirror copy because I'm too lazy to deal with RAID for now
19 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis RAID's a bit nasty with the whole upgrading thing
19 23:41:00 ZetaSyanthis and I seem to do a lot of that
19 23:43:00 Morasique damn, they came back
19 23:43:00 auchter that was a massive netsplit
19 23:43:00 Morasique you and octavious were on the bad side
19 23:44:00 auchter yeah, i had a nice one-sided conversation
19 23:45:00 Morasique we made fun of you while you were gone
19 23:45:00 Morasique as usual
19 23:46:00 auchter hah, looks like luglog disproves that
19 23:47:00 Morasique yeah, luglog was making fun of you too, it's been in on it for ages
19 23:47:00 Morasique it has very selective hearing
19 23:47:00 Morasique i'm not sure if andy753421 programmed it that way or if it's becoming sentient on its own
19 23:48:00 ZetaSyanthis I'd be very afraid of any entity this chatroom spawned
19 23:49:00 ZetaSyanthis Though I suppose it's better than many others / the internet in general
19 23:49:00 shadghost look at makebot
19 23:49:00 auchter if it's from alaska, it's irrelevant
19 23:50:00 shadghost auchter--
19 23:50:00 Morasique next time andy753421 leaves his computer unlocked somebody svn up logview
19 23:51:00 shadghost yes lets all announce it to him
19 23:52:00 Morasique i was not so subtly telling him to update
19 23:52:00 ZetaSyanthis plus we'd have to figure out how he's got that crazy system set up in the first place
19 23:53:00 ZetaSyanthis much easier this way
19 23:53:00 auchter email of the night: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/08/175
20 00:01:00 auchter yep, looks like i was right about povilus_desktop using windows ;)
20 00:04:00 auchter gah, i give up. i have most of my data backed up, so these disks are going to be deleted tonight.
20 00:04:00 Morasique yeah, his quit message does rather flaunt it
20 00:09:00 shadghost lol i should make a quit message
20 00:12:00 auchter or you could just quit now without one
20 00:12:00 Morasique i had pidgin set up for a while to pull from spook, i should figure out how to redo that in irssi
20 00:12:00 auchter that was entertaining
20 00:13:00 Morasique although i never quit anymore since i put gentoo on my desktop
20 00:15:00 shadghost soon the ubuntu server will be back up and no need to quit
20 00:15:00 shadghost we just go the new hd today
20 00:16:00 auchter if i quit, my quit messages would come from plan9's fortune file
20 00:16:00 auchter some rather amusing fortunes in there... `The last good thing written in C was Franz Schubert's Symphony No. 9.'
20 00:17:00 auchter `The "do one thing well" philosophy underlying UNIX is best realized in a fully object-oriented environment. - some Linux guy'
20 00:18:00 Morasique :D the first one is excellent
20 00:19:00 auchter i disagree on both points of it, actually, but i still found it amusing
20 00:19:00 Morasique yes, i know you do. that's what makes me think it's probably accurate
20 00:21:00 auchter i saw schubert's 9th a few months ago. the only good part was when some guy in a green sweater wandered on stage and said something to one of the timpani players
20 00:22:00 auchter i'm still puzzled why someone would even consider doing such a thing
20 00:23:00 Morasique they wanted to give you something memorable
20 00:28:00 auchter hah, another good plan9 fortune: `checking size of char... 1 - gnu configure'
20 00:30:00 auchter that always makes me laugh... a char is, by definition, 1 byte. if it's not, you have some big issues
20 00:37:00 Morasique yeah, we've talked about that before
20 00:37:00 Morasique i still multiply by sizeof(char) in mallocs
20 00:38:00 auchter meh, it's verbose but it doesn't hurt anything.
20 00:39:00 Morasique i imagine it gets optimized out, but i feel bad when i don't include it
20 00:39:00 Morasique it's very odd
20 00:41:00 auchter i don't cast my mallocs, which i suspect would also make you feel bad
20 00:42:00 Morasique yes. yes it does
20 00:42:00 Morasique i'm using c++, it rather frowns on that
20 00:42:00 auchter ah, ok
20 00:43:00 auchter java rather frowns when you do `byte a = 0xff;' instead of `byte a = (byte) 0xff;'
20 00:43:00 Morasique i never understood why they didn't add at least some basic type inference to java, it would avoid so much of the miserable verbosity
20 00:44:00 Morasique at least with generics, i stare at lines like Map<String, Integer> foo = new Map<String, Integer>(); and wonder wtf they were thinking
20 00:44:00 auchter when i stare at large byte arrays (1024 element or so) with 1024 (byte) casts, i tend to get angry
20 00:45:00 Morasique :D that's awesome
20 00:45:00 auchter when i see things like Map<String, Map<String, String>> a = new Map<String, Map<String, String>>(); i think of how awful the syntax is
20 00:47:00 Morasique i learned yesterday that java assumes all explicit numbers without decimals are ints, so if you do long l = 123451234512345 it gets mad because 123451234512345 is an int, you have to tack an L on the end
20 00:47:00 Morasique apparently it can't do that on its own
20 00:47:00 auchter there's something in c++ where that >> comes up too. i was reading something that said gcc didn't support it until recently becasue the parser would see it as a shift
20 00:47:00 auchter Morasique: C does the same thing
20 00:47:00 Morasique does it? what's the reasoning behind that?
20 00:48:00 auchter i'm not exactly sure. but that's the reason you can'
20 00:48:00 auchter t do byte a = 0xff;
20 00:48:00 auchter because java sees 0xff as an 8-bit unsigned int, and byte is a 7-bit signed type
20 00:49:00 auchter er, make that 8-bit signed
20 00:50:00 auchter gcc (C?) adds onto the just `L' suffix of java... i've used `ULL' in a lot of my code for 64-bit unsigned constants
20 00:51:00 Morasique java doesn't have unsigned types for some reason
20 00:51:00 auchter oh, right
20 00:52:00 auchter well, disregard that previous non-sensible semi-rationalisation of java's madness
20 00:53:00 Morasique apparently java's developers claim unsigned types were too confusing
20 00:54:00 auchter well, they sure have me confused
20 00:54:00 Morasique i have no trouble grasping that signed types range from -n to n, but when people start talking about ranging from 0 to 2n i get a headache
20 00:54:00 Morasique fortunately, java protects me from said pain
20 00:54:00 Morasique high-fives java
20 00:55:00 auchter except signed types range from -n to n-1
20 00:56:00 auchter and 0 to 2n - 1
20 00:56:00 Morasique well, the upper bound is exclusive
20 00:56:00 auchter oh, of course
20 00:56:00 Morasique [-n, n); [0, 2n)
20 00:56:00 Morasique you're welcome
20 00:57:00 Morasique Blazeix sent me searchme.com; this is the greatest search engine ever
20 01:01:00 auchter Morasique: go buy an iphone
20 01:02:00 Morasique iphones don't look terrible really, but i never use my cell phone
20 01:36:00 auchter i love how commercials use the word "propreitary" as if it's a good thing
20 09:13:00 Morasique it's not good, they just want you to be aware that shopping around will be useless
20 09:25:00 Morasique just what i've always wanted: http://www.internetling.com/2008/08/18/4-linux-distros-which-look-like-mac-os-x/
20 12:14:00 auchter from Morasique's horrid link: "with the nice-on-the-inside GNU/Linux kernel"
20 12:14:00 auchter that's the most stupid thing i've heard today.
20 12:19:00 Morasique i wonder if rms would be happy or sad to see that
20 12:22:00 Morasique cool. c++0x is adding type inferences and lambdas
20 12:23:00 Morasique they're making this language downright not-painful
20 12:35:00 Morasique i crave python's hash support in other languages
20 12:40:00 auchter hash maps are indeed one of the most useful data structures
20 12:40:00 auchter i still need to find a good standalone library for C... any one have any suggestions?
20 12:42:00 Morasique er. that does what?
20 12:44:00 auchter for hash maps
20 12:46:00 Morasique oh, i see. switch to C++ and use std::map
20 12:46:00 auchter erm, no
20 13:08:00 quark yo fellows
20 13:08:00 quark does anyone know if my laptop supports reading high capacity sd cards?
20 13:09:00 quark i'll be a sophmore this year
20 13:09:00 quark so I got the nw8440
20 13:09:00 quark 02:06.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)
20 13:09:00 quark tahts the device in question
20 13:10:00 Morasique your laptops have built-in card readers?
20 13:11:00 quark haha yeah
20 13:12:00 quark pretty nice ones
20 13:16:00 Morasique well wtf. i feel cheated
20 13:16:00 Morasique waves his arms at auchter since he might actually know the answer
20 13:17:00 quark thats why you feel cheated
20 13:17:00 quark the card reader is pretty pointless
20 13:17:00 Morasique unless you want to read cards. then it's useful
20 13:17:00 quark this is the first time i've ever even thought about using it
20 13:17:00 quark if I were you i'd feel cheated out of processor speed and ram
20 13:17:00 quark but tahts just me
20 13:17:00 Morasique well, i already knew about that and i've accepted it, this is new pain
20 13:18:00 quark right
20 14:06:00 shadghost ARGGG
20 14:06:00 shadghost rma at Crucial "Once the package arrives here it can take 5 to 7 business days to process before the new RAM is sent out."
20 14:06:00 shadghost YAY dead computer for 15-20 days!
20 14:07:00 shadghost whelp they lost my repete buying
20 16:14:00 Morasique whichever server quark is connecting through should stop sucking
20 16:14:00 quark yeah it should
20 16:14:00 quark verne.freenode.net?
20 16:15:00 quark i dunno
20 16:15:00 quark i just /connect irc.freenode.net
20 16:16:00 Morasique yeah, irc.freenode.net connects you to the nearest server, and apparently the one you're on is bad
20 16:18:00 shadghost irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n shadghost
20 16:18:00 shadghost =>
20 16:21:00 Morasique er. thanks?
20 16:21:00 shadghost ya.. .helps nothing
20 16:21:00 shadghost but still
20 16:21:00 shadghost hugs everyone
20 16:22:00 Morasique that hugging thing really is very odd
20 16:24:00 shadghost yes i know i am
20 16:25:00 shadghost but who are you
20 16:50:00 shadghost you never responded Morasique
20 17:01:00 auchter quark: no idea, the largest SD card i've used is 512MB
20 17:05:00 Morasique shadghost: i was going to say something like "wtf" but figured it would probably be easier to just ignore you
20 17:09:00 rr73 auchter~ wild card for what?
20 17:19:00 Mishtal quark: im 3rd year, mine supports a 2 gig card (currently have one in it)\
20 17:19:00 rr73 finch ftw!
20 17:19:00 Mishtal ...
20 17:20:00 Mishtal awesome
20 17:20:00 rr73 its the 3rd bird im client
20 17:21:00 Mishtal explain
20 17:21:00 rr73 duck pigeon and finch
20 17:22:00 rr73 adium, pidgin, and finch)
20 17:23:00 Mishtal thats what i thought you meant by duck
20 17:23:00 Mishtal though, you forgot one
20 17:23:00 Mishtal Carrier
20 17:30:00 auchter the entire rose staff needs to be banned from sending html emails
20 17:30:00 Mishtal hand me something to sign and you have my signature
20 17:43:00 Morasique auchter: file a ticket
20 17:44:00 auchter i'll let tommost do that, i would hate to take away his fun
20 17:54:00 auchter hm, i did a gentoo install on a computer last night, rebooted it a few minutes ago (after compiling xorg) and it's refusing to mount root
20 17:54:00 Morasique did it boot before?
20 17:54:00 auchter i do a reiserfsck on the root partition, and it's complaining about it
20 17:55:00 auchter so i do a rebuild-tree on it, and then i can finally mount it
20 17:55:00 auchter except now i have a directory tree that consissts of lost+found/ with my entire filesystem (names switched to numbers) in it
20 17:55:00 Morasique :D
20 17:56:00 Morasique what is lost+found? it just occurred to me that i have no idea what it's for
20 17:56:00 auchter it's where fsck puts recovered files
20 17:56:00 Morasique ah. that makes sense then
20 17:57:00 auchter so now i'm wondering if i should even try to do another install on this hard drive
20 17:57:00 auchter first solaris didn't boot on it, i blamed solaris (i maintain that blaming solaris is always the right thing to do)
20 17:57:00 auchter but now...
20 18:02:00 auchter i'm wondering if i should try to create the raid array from the gentoo install disk, and then install onto a partition on the array
20 18:02:00 auchter i liked the idea of keeping the data separate from the operating system, but i really don't trust this drive
20 20:29:00 Morasique hmm. i just got six spam e-mails that were all sent june 10th, 2076
20 20:29:00 Morasique conclusion: we never defeat spam, but spammers do learn how to spam *through time*
20 21:03:00 Morasique firefox has crashed 4 times in the last 20 minutes
20 21:03:00 Morasique glares at auchter
20 21:12:00 auchter yeah, i don't know why everyone else's firefox is so unstable
20 21:15:00 auchter mmm, raid: http://dpaste.com/72812/
20 21:24:00 Morasique why are you running on a livecd?
20 21:27:00 auchter i'm doing another install since the hard drive i used last night is broken
20 22:42:00 auchter installing on and booting from a software raid array is considerably less painful that i had expected
20 22:45:00 auchter ...three minutes and four spurious reboots later: s/less/more/
20 22:53:00 povilusr_desktop yeah software raid sucks
20 22:54:00 povilusr_desktop what kind of drives?
20 22:55:00 auchter seagate, and software raid is a much more sane choice than hardware raid
20 22:55:00 povilusr_desktop ?
20 22:55:00 povilusr_desktop on ide?
20 22:55:00 auchter no, sata
20 22:56:00 povilusr_desktop kk better but hardware is almost always better aslong as the cards are comon enough
20 22:56:00 auchter exactly, being tied to a specific model/revision of hardware sucks
20 22:56:00 povilusr_desktop having limited xor resources on x86 sucks more
20 22:59:00 auchter this machine's decent enough to handle a little xoring
20 22:59:00 povilusr_desktop i whish they would add on die xor to certan amd's
20 22:59:00 auchter and at this point i'm content on blaming my ram or something for these failures; this is the second time today that the partition i've installed on gets corrumpted
20 23:00:00 auchter and this one was on a raid1 array, on completely different hard drives than the first time
20 23:00:00 povilusr_desktop i had problems with that when i built my raid, i never confermed what was wrong but ithink it had to do with the number of irq's avalible for that sort of thing
20 23:01:00 auchter well, the first time i wasn't using raid at all (i was going to do the setup after i rebooted)
20 23:01:00 povilusr_desktop wierd then
20 23:01:00 povilusr_desktop dunno
20 23:01:00 auchter yeah, i'm hoping memtest will tell me my memory's bad
20 23:01:00 povilusr_desktop your ram old? run memtest 68?
20 23:02:00 povilusr_desktop er 86?
20 23:02:00 auchter it's a year old, and i'm in the middle of memtest86 now
20 23:02:00 povilusr_desktop ah
20 23:25:00 auchter well damn, memtest claims my ram is fine.
20 23:45:00 povilusr_desktop wierd
20 23:45:00 povilusr_desktop you have smart data on the hdds?
21 00:01:00 Morasique pidgin has a rather bad habit of losing messages at random
21 00:01:00 Morasique i check finch periodically and realize there'll be a message on there i never got in pidgin
21 00:04:00 povilusr_desktop aim server suck
21 00:11:00 octavious http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Computer-Programmer-Posters_i1701523_.htm
21 00:11:00 Morasique well now i want to commit suicide
21 00:12:00 Morasique thanks for that
21 00:12:00 Morasique i think the monitor on the ground by her chair is the exact kind in the CS labs
21 00:13:00 octavious too bad its like $15...otherwise i would buy it
21 00:14:00 auchter that poster should be the first thing bought by the lug
21 00:14:00 octavious put it up in the CS lab?
21 00:14:00 Morasique s/Computer Programmer/Linux User/
21 00:15:00 auchter of course, it would inspire everyone in the lab
21 00:15:00 auchter what it would inspire them to do, i'm not sure
21 00:17:00 Morasique be something?
21 00:18:00 auchter to quote the poster: "Everybody is Somebody"
21 00:18:00 Morasique oh, be somebody. i fail
21 00:27:00 shadghost splish splash i was takeing a bath
21 00:45:00 Morasique i'm really tempted to ban shadghost, but i still feel a tiny bit bad
21 00:46:00 shadghost Morasique: why?
21 00:46:00 shadghost http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/shadghost/Picture335.jpg
21 00:48:00 auchter yay for the same sign on the same horrible restaurants everywhere
21 00:49:00 auchter better sign: http://freya.phire.org/files/img_4346.jpg
21 00:53:00 shadghost auchter: i have never seen the nuke sign
21 00:53:00 shadghost and the person who sent it to me also plays defcon
21 00:53:00 auchter ah, it's on every hard rock cafe
21 00:54:00 shadghost have you ever played defcon?
21 00:54:00 shadghost the only way to win is not to play
21 00:54:00 auchter i'm only familiar with two uses of the word defcon: the conference, and the level
21 00:55:00 Morasique there's a game too
21 00:55:00 Morasique i'm not sure if he's talking about that
21 00:55:00 Morasique or just stringing random words together
21 00:56:00 shadghost the game
21 00:56:00 shadghost Morasique: why you want to ban me?
21 00:56:00 auchter well then, in that case, i've already won
21 00:56:00 auchter we've got a winner
21 01:00:00 Morasique shadghost: you can't be serious
21 01:00:00 Morasique auchter: everyone's a winner in here
21 01:00:00 shadghost Morasique: yes i am
21 01:00:00 shadghost is it because of my spelling
21 01:00:00 Morasique between the hugging and the "splish splash i was takeing a bath"?
21 01:00:00 Morasique it's because of your non-sequitors
21 01:01:00 shadghost the hugging people, i am happy alot
21 01:01:00 shadghost splish splash, i was listing to the song
21 01:02:00 Morasique the explanations don't really matter to me; i could write a bot that pulls random words out of a dictionary file and outputs them to the channel and it would be a fairly accurate simulation
21 01:03:00 shadghost just because i am spontainus does not meen that i am not me
21 01:03:00 shadghost o random is me
21 01:10:00 kleinjt hi
21 01:10:00 dpick hey
21 01:10:00 dpick hows alaska
21 01:10:00 kleinjt fine, I'm in Glenallen right now on a business trip.
21 01:11:00 dpick where's that?
21 01:11:00 kleinjt sorry I didn't respond, I didn't have any ideas and I haven't gotten around to asking #rhlug
21 01:11:00 dpick np, i asked yesterday
21 01:11:00 kleinjt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glennallen,_Alaska <--
21 01:12:00 shadghost kleinjt: why glennallen
21 01:12:00 kleinjt but yeah, I'm having an awesome time. I'm in caravan of civil engineers who are inspecting bridges for the trans-alaska pipeline
21 01:12:00 shadghost there is nothing there
21 01:12:00 kleinjt shadghost: there is a hotel, and it is between fairbanks and valdez
21 01:12:00 dpick thats pretty cool
21 01:13:00 shadghost on your way to fairbanks!!!!!
21 01:13:00 kleinjt nope, I flew into fairbanks this morning, I've been driving south all day :)
21 01:13:00 kleinjt just got to the hotel about fifteen minutes ago
21 01:13:00 shadghost WHAT!
21 01:13:00 shadghost you should have called
21 01:14:00 shadghost even if all i could do is say hi by
21 01:14:00 rr73 kleinjt~ i hate driving south all day too ;)
21 01:14:00 kleinjt I went from the airport to Alyeska's car building
21 01:14:00 kleinjt er.. car fleet building
21 01:14:00 shadghost so did not even have time to eat?
21 01:14:00 rr73 shadghost~ he went down south all day, ofcoarse he did :-P
21 01:14:00 kleinjt we stopped at a truck stop out of town, I had pilot crackers with me so I didn't buy anything
21 01:15:00 rr73 pilot crackers?
21 01:15:00 kleinjt yes
21 01:15:00 rr73 what are those?
21 01:16:00 Morasique http://polar.alaskapacific.edu/mloso/Pilot%20Cracker%20Playboys.html
21 01:16:00 shadghost shivers at the sight of apu
21 01:16:00 kleinjt yep, corrrect
21 01:16:00 kleinjt s/rrr/rr
21 01:16:00 shadghost but pilot crackers are good!!!
21 01:17:00 rr73 you coulda said hardtack
21 01:17:00 rr73 lol
21 01:17:00 shadghost i have a box of em 3/4 gone sitting next to my computer
21 01:17:00 Morasique except he's not a sailor
21 01:18:00 rr73 Morasique~ I thought he pilots submarines all day long, sorry
21 01:18:00 kleinjt they are awesome crackers, I hope I can source them in terre haute
21 01:18:00 rr73 kleinjt~ you going to give out samples?
21 01:19:00 dpick rr73: i wouldn't trust any food kleinjt gives out, it tends to be pretty bad
21 01:19:00 kleinjt rr73: if you send me a stamp I'll stick it on it and mail it you to
21 01:19:00 rr73 kleinjt~ now?
21 01:20:00 kleinjt rr73: well, once I get back to Anchorage. so Saturday
21 01:20:00 rr73 damn classes start in 2 weeks don't thay?
21 01:20:00 shadghost rr73: look at the local store, they probaly will have some
21 01:20:00 rr73 kleinjt~ your in anchorage? why alaska?
21 01:20:00 rr73 loves AK
21 01:20:00 kleinjt rr73: because I live there
21 01:20:00 shadghost loves ak too
21 01:20:00 rr73 kleinjt~ the most perfect answer to why be in a place
21 01:20:00 shadghost lives and goes to school in fairbanks
21 01:20:00 shadghost way better then anchorage
21 01:21:00 rr73 howd you guys find #RHLUG?
21 01:21:00 rr73 has traveled the inside passage :)
21 01:21:00 kleinjt I got to rose-hulman, and shadghost followed me to #rhlug
21 01:21:00 shadghost stalked kleinjt here
21 01:21:00 rr73 lol
21 01:21:00 Morasique kleinjt: remind me to thank you for that someday
21 01:21:00 auchter kleinjt: me too
21 01:21:00 kleinjt Morasique: I tried to ban him, but somebody unbanned him
21 01:22:00 kleinjt shadghost: hi
21 01:22:00 Morasique :D
21 01:22:00 shadghost kleinjt: rember when they gave both of us admin hopeing that we would kick the outher?
21 01:22:00 kleinjt shadghost: yes, good times
21 01:22:00 auchter shadghost: no, i think we were hoping that kleinjt would kick you out
21 01:23:00 kleinjt it was a fair fight
21 01:23:00 auchter kleinjt: well done
21 01:23:00 auchter damn, he found us
21 01:24:00 Morasique i knew we should've set the channel to change names every 30 seconds
21 01:24:00 Morasique we could distribute keyfobs that show the current channel name
21 01:24:00 auchter i've always wanted one of those securid keyfobs
21 01:24:00 Morasique i have one for paypal
21 01:25:00 dpick i had one for work
21 01:25:00 auchter really, i didn't know paypal supported them
21 01:25:00 shadghost has one for your mom
21 01:25:00 kleinjt hrm, sourcing pilot crackers in the haute seems unlikely. wikipedia states that 98% of commercial pilot cracker production goes to alaska.
21 01:25:00 Morasique https://www.paypal.com/securitykey
21 01:26:00 auchter kleinjt: sourcing *anything* in terre haute is likely unlikely
21 01:26:00 Morasique i want one where i have the other half of the key so i could integrate it into my own programs
21 01:26:00 shadghost WHAT
21 01:26:00 shadghost 98%!!!
21 01:27:00 kleinjt yes, I'll have to make my own. we can have LUG meeting on cooking or something
21 01:28:00 kleinjt the cs lab lacks an oven however..
21 01:28:00 auchter the mac might suffice
21 01:28:00 auchter remove the heatsink and cover it with aluminum foil
21 01:28:00 dpick our laptops probably give off enough heat to cook something
21 01:29:00 kleinjt right, we just need to write a script to keep it at a constant 350 degrees
21 01:29:00 shadghost kleinjt: all you need is a stress test program
21 01:29:00 kleinjt we should fork a cooking club to siphon money from the SGA
21 01:30:00 auchter i'm thinking we should just fork bomb SGA
21 01:31:00 Morasique except people would actually spend the money on cooking stuff. we need to fork clubs we have no actual interest in
21 01:31:00 auchter <subliminal>#rhip9ug</subliminal>
21 01:32:00 kleinjt pssh, #rhcooking is better
21 01:33:00 shadghost re cooking
21 01:33:00 Morasique the worst part is shadghost shows up in every channel mentioned, he's like a virus we're spreading throughout irc
21 01:33:00 shadghost http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/~dev2c/wiki/Shadghost%27s_Recipes
21 01:34:00 shadghost Morasique: soon i will reach the cap
21 01:34:00 kleinjt your recipes lack quantities. your mountain man breakfast mentions: eggs, cheese, hash browns
21 01:35:00 shadghost saussage and bacon
21 01:35:00 shadghost also
21 01:35:00 Morasique not to worry, what they lack in quantities they make up for in typos
21 01:35:00 shadghost look
21 01:37:00 Morasique i join every channel i'm told to even though i have no interest in any of them
21 01:39:00 shadghost loves to cook
21 01:39:00 shadghost so there is that one
21 01:39:00 shadghost the outher was because i should go to bed
21 01:40:00 Morasique kleinjt and auchter are having three separate conversations in three different channels
21 01:40:00 Morasique not counting this one
21 01:40:00 shadghost split conversations++
21 01:41:00 shadghost yay over a half of a week uptime
21 01:42:00 Morasique er. that's like nothing
21 01:42:00 shadghost ya
21 01:42:00 Morasique i think my laptop has been on about a week without restarting and i move it around all the time
21 01:43:00 shadghost i have had about 3 months
21 01:43:00 shadghost but then a stick of ram went bad
21 01:43:00 shadghost and it made windows not work
21 01:43:00 shadghost so i installed ubuntu
21 01:43:00 auchter that's more of a sidestep than an upgrade
21 01:44:00 Morasique low blow there
21 01:44:00 shadghost 21:43 < rufis> 21:43:26 up 349 days, 4:31, 12 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.03
21 01:45:00 shadghost auchter: it is a good transition flavor
21 01:46:00 shadghost YAY
21 01:46:00 Morasique addiator's been up an impressive 29 days
21 01:47:00 Morasique er
21 01:48:00 Morasique ah
21 01:48:00 shadghost now i can screen in from any where in the world with internet
21 01:49:00 auchter ok,just finished my third gentoo install on the same bloody computer in 24 hours
21 01:49:00 Morasique yes, we know how the internet works
21 01:49:00 auchter let's hope that nothing else fails.
21 01:49:00 Morasique auchter: maybe you should switch to ubuntu, it sounds more up your alley
21 01:49:00 shadghost Morasique++
21 01:50:00 auchter yeah, just what i want to use, a distro that i have to be in front of my computer to install
21 01:51:00 shadghost i find ubuntu as a good easy to configure flavor
21 01:51:00 kleinjt auchter: then do the text mode using LVM2 and root partition encrpytion
21 01:51:00 kleinjt s/mode/mode install
21 01:51:00 shadghost ueses the alt install cd to install
21 01:52:00 shadghost it is the deblen base installer
21 01:52:00 auchter lvm2, *shudder*
21 01:52:00 kleinjt deblen, *shudder*
21 01:52:00 shadghost kleinjt, *shudder*
21 01:52:00 Morasique mac os, *shudder*
21 01:52:00 auchter debian maintainers, *shudder* *cough*openssl*cough*
21 01:52:00 Morasique there
21 01:53:00 Morasique auchter: you've really got to let that one go :)
21 01:54:00 auchter they just failed so hard that it's hard for me to let it go
21 01:57:00 kleinjt well, I've got to get up early tomorrow, the caravan leaves town at 8:00, and I don't want to get stuck in glenallen
21 01:57:00 kleinjt good night
21 01:58:00 auchter well,
21 01:59:00 shadghost ture there is NOTHING in glenallen but a hotell and gas station
21 02:00:00 auchter alright then, that install seems to have went well.
21 02:01:00 Morasique or it's grown bored with instant-failure and has decided to wait for a while this time
21 02:01:00 auchter perhaps...
21 10:05:00 Morasique apparently you can solve sudoku puzzles by creating a bunch of packages with the right dependencies and blocking rules and having a package manager resolve them
21 11:38:00 Morasique we've been arguing over e-mail about fopen vs. fopen_s for like three days
21 11:45:00 auchter well considering i had never heard of fopen_s until today, and that most of the google results seem to implicate microsoft, i'm inclined to side with the pro-fopen people
21 11:57:00 Morasique it's microsoft-specific, and i'm one of the pro-fopen people
21 11:58:00 Morasique it's basically the developers on the fopen side against the documentation and QA people on the fopen_s
21 11:58:00 Morasique side
21 11:58:00 Morasique you'd think the developers would have more clout in this area
21 11:58:00 Morasique apparently not
21 11:58:00 Morasique i don't get in arguments with the documentation people about how to phrase sentences, i let them deal with it
21 12:37:00 auchter Morasique: i think i see where your problem is
21 12:38:00 auchter the QA and documentation people were somehow able to get ahold of your source
21 12:38:00 auchter you should take steps in the future to prevent this mishap from happening again
21 12:48:00 Morasique QA can see the source, they started it. I have no idea why documentation is taking a side, they have no idea wtf we're talking about
21 12:52:00 auchter i'm sure that "secure" sounds better to documentation people
21 12:57:00 Morasique well, one of the code snippets shows up in the documentation as an example for customers, so they at least are affected
21 12:57:00 Morasique but it's a code snippet, they should take whatever we give them and put it in verbatim
21 12:57:00 Morasique they have a habit of trying to compress the code snippets to fit on further lines, and in the process breaking them
21 12:58:00 Morasique s/further/fewer/
21 12:59:00 auchter heh, i mean, if you were using something like sprintf instead of snprintf, they'd have very good justification in yelling at you
21 13:00:00 auchter but fopen_s doesn't seem to offer much that fopen doesn't
21 13:00:00 Morasique it doesn't, it checks that the input parameters aren't NULL
21 13:00:00 Morasique which they're not, since we're using constant values, we're not even passing it variables
21 13:01:00 auchter yeah, that's some impressive stupidity on their part
21 13:01:00 Morasique they're concerned that using the unsafe functions will make us look bad when customers read the doc. i've tried to explain for 3 days that the function isn't "unsafe", it just doesn't coddle you
21 13:01:00 Morasique my project manager just e-mailed out a compromise: we're going to use fopen in the doc, but include a note explaining that fopen_s is safer so we don't look stupid. so we *don't* look stupid
21 13:01:00 Morasique FAIL
21 13:02:00 auchter hah, i hope your project manager reads the log ;)
21 13:08:00 Morasique me too
21 13:24:00 Morasique tommost_aorist: logview should look for *X* or _X_ and style them
21 13:24:00 Morasique s/or/and/
21 13:47:00 jboticsource http://www.whatjeffkilled.com/
21 13:51:00 Morasique wow. fail: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/?sortby="><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;url='http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/'">
21 15:43:00 Morasique i had an ant build fail and i couldn't figure out why. finally out of desperation i restarted. this fixed the problem
21 15:43:00 Morasique in short, ant blows
21 16:31:00 Morasique wtf. i built with ant 4 or 5 times with no problems, then it failed in the middle of a build and failed at the beginning every time after that. Restarting fixed it again. It's like it gets tired after a while and needs to rest
21 17:22:00 auchter Morasique: ant is the root of all evil
21 17:23:00 auchter tracing through its build process to see what in particular caused something to fail is an exercise in futility
21 17:45:00 Morasique especially if the thing that caused it to fail is absolutely nothing
21 17:57:00 auchter so, has anyone here used xen before?
21 19:01:00 auchter regarding the whole raid5 in software discussion last night, i'm copying over data from an external hard drive onto my raid 5 array, and the process responsible for (presumably) calculating the parity blocks is using ~6% of one core (at around 30MB/s of write speed)
21 19:39:00 Morasique does anybody have vpn setup on gentoo?
21 19:41:00 auchter i think andy did, but he seems to be missing
21 20:16:00 Morasique ooo. i got it to connect for about 5 seconds
21 20:37:00 Morasique does anybody have an xp sp2 key i can borrow?
21 20:39:00 ZetaSyanthis1 Can you even buy that anymore?
21 20:39:00 jboticsource nope
21 20:39:00 ZetaSyanthis1 I'm looking for a copy myself
21 20:39:00 ZetaSyanthis1 damn, didn't think so
21 20:41:00 Morasique i have a legal windows xp key, and i have the disk for windows xp sp2, but apparently the key won't work with that
21 20:41:00 ZetaSyanthis1 Now, I know it's been ganked from stores in general, but is the bookstore deal available?
21 20:41:00 Morasique of course, if i had a normal xp key, it would be perfectly legal for me to use my key with that and then immediately upgarde to sp2
21 20:41:00 Morasique s/upgarde/upgrade/
21 20:42:00 Morasique ZetaSyanthis1: probably
21 20:42:00 ZetaSyanthis1 that's annoying, morasique
21 20:42:00 Morasique it's patent nonsense
21 20:42:00 Morasique microsoft blows at licensing
21 20:42:00 ZetaSyanthis1 well, I think that's a licensing thing in general
21 20:42:00 Morasique why would they use different keys for sp2 disks when people with the old keys can upgrade for free?
21 20:42:00 Morasique there's no reasoning behind it
21 20:43:00 ZetaSyanthis no idea
21 20:43:00 Morasique i might end up just installing vista, i think i have my copy of that around somewhere
21 20:43:00 ZetaSyanthis Actually, that's not a sp2 idea
21 20:43:00 ZetaSyanthis *problem
21 20:43:00 ZetaSyanthis ugh
21 20:43:00 ZetaSyanthis Morasique, you can slipstream sp2 onto non-sp2 discs and then use the same key
21 20:43:00 ZetaSyanthis so it's not a sp2 thing
21 20:44:00 ZetaSyanthis must be a disc's locked out from that key thing, like our laptop discs
21 20:44:00 ZetaSyanthis I have 3 legit keys, only the laptop one works with that set
21 20:51:00 Morasique i've resorted to installing vista instead. well played microsoft
21 20:55:00 Morasique of course: http://www.mrozekma.com/vista.png
21 21:03:00 Morasique damn it, my vista key doesn't work either
21 21:03:00 Morasique no wonder people pirate this OS; it's not the money, it's just a pain in the ass to use it legally
21 21:04:00 ZetaSyanthis haha, yeah
