#rhlug for 2008-05

30 22:54:00 Morasique i've been using maximumize to simulate a tiling wm, i feel very auchtery. also, i plan to use the word auchtery on a regular basis

30 22:55:00 auchter auchtery, (adjective): amazing in all regards; godlike

30 22:56:00 Morasique we can all agree to adopt our own definitions, so we can all feel happy when i use it

30 23:06:00 octavious auchtery or autchery?

30 23:06:00 Morasique autchery is the opposite of auchtery

30 23:06:00 Morasique for example: auchter is very autchery

30 23:06:00 auchter Morasique: i think you just broke the universe

30 23:07:00 Morasique /exec $((1/0))

30 23:36:00 povilusr_kaaba junors: if i run for sga will you sign my petetion to get on the ballot?

30 23:37:00 Blazeix Sure.

30 23:37:00 andy753422 povilusr_kaaba: is there bribery involved?

30 23:37:00 Blazeix I withdrawal my "sure" until andy753422's question is answered.

30 23:37:00 Morasique good call

30 23:40:00 auchter so, who's running for freshmen and sophomore classes? we need a complete LUG presidency

30 23:40:00 tommost One again, I nominate Jay for the Freshman class.

30 23:40:00 Morasique :D it would be awesome if we could sweep all the elections, i doubt anybody would notice until it was over

30 23:41:00 auchter tommost: ah, yes, that's obvious. i'm sure he was already planning on running

30 23:41:00 tommost I'd hope so.

30 23:41:00 povilusr_kaaba no briber, but my campaign poster is going to be a picture a name and a I wont waste your money

30 23:41:00 povilusr_kaaba thats it

30 23:41:00 auchter povilusr_: nice

30 23:42:00 octavious i dont know

30 23:42:00 andy753421 hmm.. i suppose i can run for skinner hall representative..

30 23:42:00 Morasique povilusr_kaaba: what will you be spending the money on?

30 23:42:00 octavious there is a candidate running on doing whatever he can do to get free/cheap booze

30 23:42:00 andy753421 Morasique: the lug, obviously

30 23:42:00 Morasique well, i want to hear it from the candidate :)

30 23:43:00 auchter octavious: hm, but i thought sga has pretty good safeguards against that

30 23:43:00 auchter they don't have any safeguards against sam being an ass at every single one of their meetings

30 23:43:00 octavious yeah, the trick is to not pay for it directly

30 23:43:00 andy753421 auchter: i don't remember anything about it in their constitution

30 23:43:00 octavious pay for like cover charges at bars and stuff

30 23:43:00 auchter ah, well i was wrong then

30 23:44:00 octavious after they cover the cover charge, the idea is that the booze would be cheap

30 23:44:00 octavious this years senior class did it somewhere

30 23:44:00 andy753421 they certainly pay for food/drinks for other events, and i doubt they've technically specified a list of 'allowed' and 'not allowed' item

30 23:44:00 Morasique after next year, "$3000 servers" is going to be on the not allowed list

30 23:44:00 octavious where they covered the rediculous cover charge, and then there was 40 cent pitchers of beer

30 23:44:00 Morasique but then it will be too late

30 23:45:00 Morasique sga is a yearlong post, right?

30 23:46:00 tommost povilusr_: If you make it, you should spend your class money on a VPN server.

30 23:46:00 tommost Make all the commuters happy.

30 23:47:00 tommost andy753421: How is that laser following code coming?

30 23:47:00 Blazeix povilusr_ will lead the SGA on a long and bloody crusade against IAIT

30 23:48:00 andy753421 alright, i ended up responding to some e-mail about the PLC server being broken again first though

30 23:48:00 andy753421 and i realized that we never made a python interface for the laser detection code

30 23:48:00 tommost Would you like me to do that?

30 23:48:00 tommost (Anything to put off probablility.)

30 23:48:00 andy753421 nah, i'm almost done with that

30 23:49:00 tommost Oh, I fixed up the example code. It's now beautifully killable.

30 23:49:00 andy753421 alright, which thread library is it using?

30 23:49:00 tommost thread

30 23:49:00 andy753421 alright

30 23:50:00 Morasique bold choice

30 23:50:00 tommost I'm going to do some work on ThreadComponent -- I'll give it a nice method for spawning threads that deals with their exceptions, etc.

30 23:50:00 tommost Morasique: vs. threading, which has a lock that makes threads immortal.

30 23:50:00 tommost Python threading isn't so great...

30 23:50:00 andy753421 wait, what is ThreadComponent?

30 23:50:00 Morasique oh yeah, i actually remember seeing those libraries

30 23:51:00 tommost It's at rb.core.component.ThreadComponent

30 23:51:00 andy753421 er, alright..

01 00:06:00 tommost It's rare, but once in a while you really just want a do..while loop.

01 00:06:00 tommost sighs

01 00:06:00 Morasique i just used one a few days ago, for the first time i can remember

01 00:06:00 andy753421 ahh, real programing

01 00:07:00 andy753421 to bad you can't do assignment in pythons while loop

01 00:07:00 tommost What do you mean?

01 00:07:00 andy753421 glares at python and throws a large stick

01 00:07:00 tommost is very confused

01 00:08:00 andy753421 while line = file.gets():

01 00:08:00 tommost Oh, there.

01 00:08:00 tommost for line in file: pass

01 00:08:00 andy753421 throws a large stick at tommost

01 00:08:00 tommost ducks

01 00:08:00 tommost Hehe.

01 00:08:00 auchter i'm just going to have to take this opportunity to laugh at python

01 00:10:00 Morasique auchter: why are you laughing at python, i liked tommost's way more

01 00:10:00 tommost Still, it's easy enough (and still quite clean) to do what I wanted with a while True.

01 00:12:00 andy753421 Morasique: because tommost's way only works on objects that support 'iterators'

01 00:12:00 auchter i was halfway through typing a response, but andy's was more articulate

01 00:12:00 Morasique python owns at iterators though

01 00:12:00 andy753421 Morasique: that's a complete lie

01 00:12:00 Morasique what? nonsense, that's one of my favorite parts of python

01 00:13:00 Morasique between generators and __iter__ you're pretty much always good to go

01 00:13:00 andy753421 in a better language: between functions and functions you're pretty much good to go

01 00:14:00 tommost He shows his true colors: he wants to write in Lisp!

01 00:14:00 Morasique ok, i'll give you that python's lambdas suck worse than auchter's window manager

01 00:14:00 tommost Phrased that way, I'll agree.

01 00:14:00 Morasique tommost: deep down, everyone wants to write in lisp

01 00:14:00 tommost Yeah, I do to. I need to learn it this summer...

01 00:15:00 Morasique there's a group doing it in plp

01 00:15:00 andy753421 well, i'm not particularly talking about lisp/scheme (i hate the syntax) but you can do just as well with C functions

01 00:15:00 Morasique you'll learn scheme in plc, it's close enough to make you happy

01 00:15:00 tommost Yeah, I was talking about learning Scheme.

01 00:15:00 tommost To make PLC a bit easier, maybe.

01 00:15:00 tommost The quarter I'm planning on taking it looks really intense.

01 00:16:00 Blazeix My quarter might possibly be the best quarter ever.

01 00:16:00 Blazeix I'll have senior project on Wednesday, and only an econ class and AI ther other days

01 00:17:00 auchter Blazeix: i hate you. next quarter is going to be hell for me

01 00:17:00 Blazeix I only need to take 12 credit hours per quarter here on out.

01 00:17:00 Morasique once i deleted all the math major stuff from my schedule i realized my senior year is empty. i should work on that

01 00:18:00 auchter i have 21 more classes that i need to take...

01 00:19:00 Morasique auchter: be a badass, take them all at once

01 00:20:00 auchter i was going to try to overload each quarter next year (3 ECE + 2 HSS), but scheduling that is not easy

01 00:22:00 tommost How can you need to take so many HSS courses?

01 00:22:00 auchter i have 2 GL, 2 SL, and 2 VA classes that i need to take, in addition to RH330

01 00:22:00 tommost Yesh.

01 00:22:00 Morasique wow. that's depressing

01 00:23:00 Morasique i have one GL left to take, they always suck

01 00:23:00 Morasique i recommend a language at some point, it's an easy way to get humanities

01 00:23:00 tommost Morasique: Take Japanes Culture.

01 00:23:00 Blazeix auchter: you should take a language; you can substitute one language in for each slot

01 00:23:00 Morasique tommost: i tried last time it was offered, i didn't get in

01 00:24:00 auchter i've had around 4 years of spanish, but that was a few years ago and i pretty much despised it

01 00:24:00 tommost I did; it's both easy and interesting.

01 00:24:00 tommost auchter: I'm in the same situation with languages.

01 00:24:00 Morasique when is it offered?

01 00:24:00 Blazeix auchter: the spanish here is a joke

01 00:24:00 tommost It was this quarter. I don't know otherwise.

01 00:24:00 Morasique i hate languages too, but it was fairly easy, i only took 2

01 00:24:00 auchter german would be a very logical language for me to learn, as i have family in germany that i visit, and know several people who speak it

01 00:24:00 Blazeix We were still reviewing what I did in high school up to spanish 6.

01 00:24:00 auchter Blazeix: now that sounds good..

01 00:24:00 Morasique i actually liked german when i took it in high school, i probably should've taken it here

01 00:29:00 auchter also, who do i talk to to declare a CS minor?

01 00:29:00 Morasique i imagine mellor

01 00:29:00 andy753421 auchter: you have to climb up the smoke stack and shout it out to the world

01 00:30:00 auchter andy753421: or i could use one of those nifty sirens

01 00:30:00 andy753421 true, in other news.. Who's presenting tomorrow?

01 00:30:00 auchter already asked, everyone dodged the question

01 00:31:00 andy753421 dodged eh..

01 00:31:00 auchter ...by suggesting we should give a presentation on gnunet

01 00:31:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure neither of us has figured out how to use that yet

01 00:31:00 Morasique it's ok, you've got a good 17 hours

01 00:31:00 auchter i too am pretty certain of that fact

01 00:32:00 auchter Morasique: i'm busy figuring out multicycle loops on the c6000

01 00:33:00 auchter i'd much rather be playing with gnunet, though

01 00:44:00 auchter so someone needs to present tomorrow

01 00:44:00 Mishtal i vote auchter

01 00:45:00 quark you guys should ahve a presentation on zfs

01 00:45:00 quark unless thats already been done

01 00:45:00 quark zfs is the shti

01 00:45:00 quark shti*

01 00:45:00 quark dammit

01 00:45:00 Morasique wow

01 00:45:00 auchter it hasn't been, and i'm pretty sure i'm the only one using ZFS (unless you are quark)

01 00:45:00 auchter in which case you should give the presentation

01 00:45:00 quark I vote auchter too

01 00:45:00 quark I've messed with it a very little bit

01 00:46:00 quark I don't know enough to give a presentation

01 00:46:00 auchter nor do i

01 00:46:00 quark :/

01 00:46:00 quark it would be a sweet presentation

01 00:46:00 auchter research it and give a presentation tomorrow

01 00:46:00 quark i'll decline

01 00:46:00 quark I don't even go to your meetings

01 00:47:00 quark not that I don't share the intrest

01 00:47:00 quark i'm just pretty lazy

01 00:47:00 quark and usually forgety

01 00:47:00 quark forget*

01 00:47:00 Blazeix might I add that forgety is an awesome word

01 00:47:00 Blazeix Use that in conjunction with auchtery and you have a winning combination.

01 00:48:00 quark :{

01 00:48:00 quark :P*

01 00:48:00 quark I am having a serious typing problem tonight

01 00:48:00 auchter so, this * business needs to stop

01 00:48:00 tommost Pointers?

01 00:48:00 auchter use regular expressions, that was i can find out easily what's being replaced

01 00:48:00 quark shall I use the s/blah/blah format?

01 00:48:00 quark lol

01 00:48:00 auchter yes, you can even be clever and make use of all the features

01 00:48:00 Morasique remember the trailing slash though, auchter gets sad if you don't

01 00:49:00 quark its not necessary

01 00:49:00 quark unless you need other arguments

01 00:49:00 auchter like this: Buffalo, Buffalo

01 00:49:00 Morasique it is for sed

01 00:49:00 quark but I guess you already knew that

01 00:49:00 auchter s/Buffalo$/New York/

01 00:49:00 quark s/^#/BLANK LINE/

01 00:49:00 quark I do that a lot

01 00:50:00 quark it causes mad parse errors

01 00:50:00 quark erm

01 00:50:00 quark I guess its actually

01 00:51:00 auchter #rhlug : 02/18/08 20:33 <auchter> sed -i 's/private |protected /public /' *.java

01 00:51:00 auchter #rhlug : 02/18/08 20:33 <auchter> that does wonders for cutting down on unneeded code

01 00:51:00 quark s/^$/^#/

01 00:51:00 quark is what I meant

01 00:52:00 auchter i'm pretty sure curt would murder me if he ever saw what i did to all the code he gave us

01 00:52:00 Mishtal what code is this?

01 00:53:00 auchter whatever he gave us in 230 that required me to jump through hoops to try to access variables

01 00:53:00 auchter that he had hidden away in some class somewhere

01 00:53:00 tommost How did you get away with that?

01 00:54:00 tommost Claude has them not modify most of his provided code.

01 00:54:00 tommost And they don't even turn it in.

01 00:54:00 auchter curt didn't have that provision, and the graders were apparently lazy

01 00:55:00 andy753421 no ops until you give a presentation!

01 00:55:00 Morasique :'(

01 00:55:00 auchter andy753421: well done

01 00:55:00 tommost :'(

01 00:56:00 quark shit

01 00:56:00 tommost I can't; Greasemonkey hasn't been released yet.

01 00:56:00 quark I should give a presentation

01 00:56:00 tommost Yes!#rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 <quark> on zfs

01 00:56:00 quark for ops

01 00:56:00 Mishtal can i give a presentation some Other week?

01 00:56:00 Mishtal i have an exam tomorrow

01 00:56:00 Mishtal and also one on friday

01 00:56:00 quark yeah me too

01 00:56:00 Morasique sucks to be you guys

01 00:56:00 quark I have 10 exams

01 00:56:00 Morasique :)

01 00:56:00 quark tommorrow

01 00:56:00 auchter exams are inconsequential

01 00:56:00 quark you should just give me ops anyways

01 00:57:00 Morasique i can give an amusing shell tricks/zsh one tomorrow if nobody else has anything

01 00:57:00 auchter Morasique: sounds good to me

01 00:57:00 auchter andy753421: and when is luglog giving a presentation?

01 00:57:00 tommost I can do a live demonstration: Tom tries to get the Sun Rays working.

01 00:57:00 Morasique i would enjoy that thoroughly

01 00:57:00 tommost I'll need someone to help me carry them to the lab.

01 00:57:00 Morasique cancel that

01 00:57:00 andy753421 depends on the shell tricks, i already gave one on a lot of ZSH stuff

01 00:57:00 auchter tommost: we don't have several hours to watch you suffer and threaten suicide

01 00:58:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Zsh_%28presentation%29

01 00:58:00 Morasique well, this wasn't actually my idea, people wanted me to do one last week for some reason. i can do things that aren't on that list i imagine

01 00:58:00 Morasique if somebody else has another presentation go for it though. we seem to be desperate

01 00:59:00 Blazeix I was mentioning something like that earlier. I was thinking it'd be useful to know stuff about different ZSH options like autocd and whatnot

01 00:59:00 Morasique auchter: i have all the time in the world if it's for watching tommost suffer and threaten suicide

01 01:00:00 Morasique i'm trying to make it a not-zsh specific presentation, except for specific zsh things that happen to be awesome

01 01:00:00 Blazeix and stuff like zsh svn autocomplete

01 01:00:00 Morasique i don't know what the balance will be

01 01:00:00 Morasique autocomplete ftw

01 01:03:00 andy753421 another idea, someone could give a comparison of all these newfangled linux distros (and tell me how to do similar things, such as updating packages, in each)

01 01:03:00 tommost I think that auchter should give a presentation on XUL.

01 01:04:00 Blazeix that'd be cool. I've been meaning to look at XUL

01 01:04:00 tommost Blazeix: You just volunteered!

01 01:04:00 auchter tommost: notice how he has op?

01 01:04:00 tommost auchter: I want you to do it. I have no doubt that XPCOM will pain you immensely.

01 01:05:00 Blazeix I'd have to learn XUL first though

01 01:05:00 auchter the X makes me thing XML is involved

01 01:05:00 tommost You bet.

01 01:05:00 tommost Namespaces and all.

01 01:05:00 tommost XUL -- XML User Interface Language.

01 01:05:00 tommost Of Mozilla fame.

01 01:05:00 auchter i'm sure you know, or can infer, my feelings about XML, right?

01 01:05:00 tommost Yup.

01 01:06:00 Blazeix I recently downloaded SymphonyOS, I've been wanting to try out their Mezzo environment. If its cool, I could give a presentation about that.

01 01:06:00 andy753421 looks XUL up on wikipedia

01 01:06:00 auchter does the same

01 01:06:00 andy753421 while the XML sucks, it is named after ghostbusters...

01 01:07:00 auchter "XUL has no formal specification or interoperable non-Gecko implementations.", "The Gecko layout engine provides the only complete implementation of XUL."

01 01:07:00 auchter uh, yeah, sounds great to me!

01 01:07:00 tommost On a more serious note, someone should give a presentation on Linux sound.

01 01:08:00 tommost And how it is messed up.

01 01:08:00 tommost And how to fix it.

01 01:08:00 tommost And PulseAudio.

01 01:08:00 Morasique i thought your sound worked fine

01 01:08:00 auchter tommost: how is it messed up?

01 01:08:00 Morasique i can give a presentation on pulseaudio and how my machine sucks at using it

01 01:08:00 andy753421 alsa is good, the 30 odd things built ontop of alsa seem to suck

01 01:08:00 tommost Too many "standards".

01 01:08:00 tommost Exactly.

01 01:08:00 auchter alsa works perfectly fine for me

01 01:09:00 tommost Give a presentation on getting 5.1 to work in it.

01 01:09:00 auchter once there's decent music in 5.1, i'll start to care

01 01:10:00 auchter s/in/released in/

01 01:17:00 Morasique so wait, am i going tomorrow or someone else? there was suddenly a flurry of volunteers

01 01:21:00 Blazeix Well, I don't think I'll be able to learn XUL or mezzo overnight, so I probably can't present tomorrow

01 01:21:00 Blazeix I'm willing to present 9th (shudder) week though

01 01:22:00 Morasique wait, planning ahead? what is this nonsense

01 01:22:00 Blazeix Don't worry, I'll make the presentation 10th period the day I'm presenting.

01 01:22:00 Blazeix I'm really just planning procrastination.

01 01:24:00 Blazeix By the power invested in me by the high position of LUG Note taker, I pronounce that you will be giving a presentation on ZSH tomorrow

01 01:24:00 Blazeix If you wish.

01 01:24:00 Morasique good strong finish there

01 01:24:00 Blazeix and its not an inconvenience.

01 01:24:00 Morasique i'm trying not to duplicate andy's presentation, so i'll aim for mostly generic shell stuff

01 01:25:00 Morasique and i'll try not to insult the other shells too much

01 01:25:00 Morasique other window managers are fair game though

01 01:25:00 Blazeix I think Andy's presentation was mostly cross-shell syntax

01 01:25:00 tommost Morasique: You should find a terminal emulator that does fire text.

01 01:26:00 Morasique heck yes i should

01 01:26:00 Morasique Blazeix: hmm. well, i'll have to look at it, i just glanced at the wiki page

01 01:37:00 auchter i'm beginning to suspect that many people in here are no more than mac fanboys

01 01:37:00 Morasique based on the rampant mac hatred?

01 01:37:00 auchter based on the rampant eye-candy praising

01 01:38:00 Morasique eye candy isn't equivalent to macs, i think i resent that :)

01 01:38:00 andy753421 agrees with auchter

01 01:38:00 tommost It's true. I made my window's drop shadows bigger and softer after seeing the ones on the mac.

01 01:38:00 tommost But then I made them light blue.

01 01:38:00 tommost And smaller.

01 01:38:00 Morasique that was a touching story

01 01:38:00 tommost And, well, they're nothing like the mac's.

01 01:39:00 tommost My windows have halos.

01 01:39:00 tommost They are angelic.

01 01:39:00 Morasique you're not helping at all :)

01 01:47:00 Mishtal why dont you give your windows devil horns instead?

01 01:47:00 tommost Morasique: Can emerald do that?

01 01:47:00 Morasique i don't think so, but we could work on it

01 05:11:00 collinjc Fuu...

01 10:44:00 Morasique does anyone else have problems with thunderbird not downloading the entire message? on messages that are just giant images (so....most of them), the image cuts off towards the bottom, and on most attachments, the attachment is corrupted if i try to save it

01 10:45:00 Mishtal not me

01 10:45:00 tommost Not at all.

01 10:45:00 andy753421 Morasique: i used to have that problem

01 10:45:00 Morasique andy753421: know what causes it?

01 10:45:00 Morasique blazeix has it too, we don't know why though

01 10:45:00 andy753421 mozilla sucks?

01 10:45:00 Morasique :'(

01 10:46:00 Morasique i can't keep up with the trend, thunderbird used to be what the cool kids used, and i was ostracized for using evolution

01 10:50:00 tommost Morasique: Evolution sucks more.

01 10:50:00 Morasique yay, i'm cool!

01 10:50:00 tommost No, we're just all lame.

01 10:50:00 Morasique oh. :(

01 10:51:00 tommost If we were cool we'd each write our own e-mail clients. Because that's what *real* programmers do.

01 10:51:00 Morasique heck yes. lug e-mail client

01 10:51:00 tommost Sounds good.

01 10:51:00 Morasique we should write all our own tools, compete with gnu

01 10:51:00 tommost I've got /bin/true covered.

01 10:52:00 Morasique you could really take one for the team and do /bin/false too

01 10:53:00 tommost I'm willing.

01 11:08:00 auchter yeah, i have the same thunderbird problem

01 11:08:00 auchter luckily those emails are pretty much worthless

01 11:08:00 Morasique well, the attachment one is annoying when groupmates send me stuff

01 11:09:00 auchter hm, i don't think i've had that problem

01 11:09:00 Morasique i think it's the same root cause

01 11:10:00 auchter probably. just use mutt instead, it seems to work fine for me

01 11:10:00 Morasique i like thunderbird though. plus i use it for my calendar and todo list too

01 11:11:00 auchter i found sunbird to be much better than lightening

01 11:11:00 Morasique they seemed the same to me, i looked at both of them. what does sunbird have?

01 11:11:00 tommost I find that both of them suck.

01 11:11:00 auchter though it's still bloated as all hell

01 11:11:00 tommost Indeed.

01 11:11:00 tommost And ugly to boot.

01 11:11:00 Morasique well, i don't have quite the same concern with that that you do

01 11:11:00 Morasique you stick with your plain text vim files

01 11:11:00 tommost One or the other would be fine, but the combination is just annoying.

01 11:11:00 auchter lightning was unstable with me

01 11:12:00 Morasique oh. i don't have any problems with it, it's probably gotten better since then

01 11:12:00 auchter Morasique: i use sunbird

01 11:12:00 Morasique oh. well good for you :)

01 11:12:00 Morasique i remember something about vim files

01 11:12:00 Morasique it's possible i invented that because it seems auchtery

01 11:12:00 auchter that's for quick notes

01 11:12:00 Morasique ah

01 11:14:00 tommost I actually use the Gnome post it thing to do some TODO stuff—it sure is lighter weight than Sunbird.

01 11:14:00 Morasique tomboy?

01 11:14:00 Morasique i use it for general notes, like auchter's text files

01 11:14:00 tommost No, it appears to be called "Sticky Notes".

01 11:15:00 tommost I set it so that the note bursts into flame when it is closed, which is fun.

01 11:15:00 Morasique oh yeah. i've never tried that

01 11:15:00 Morasique oooooooo

01 11:15:00 Morasique autchery

01 11:15:00 tommost Not at all.

01 11:16:00 Morasique i think things bursting into flames is probably the opposite of auchter's setup

01 11:17:00 tommost I'd agree, except that auchter doesn't seem to be offended by the use of "auchtery".

01 11:17:00 tommost Perhaps he really does like fire?

01 11:17:00 Morasique we decided yesterday that auchtery means like auchter, and autchery means the opposite

01 11:17:00 tommost Oh, I misread that.

01 11:17:00 Morasique i think that's going to be a big part of the fun :)

01 12:06:00 auchter some very auchtery news: openbsd 4.3 is out

01 12:19:00 Morasique i can hardly contain my glee

01 12:32:00 povilusr no ops?

01 12:32:00 Morasique andy753421 doesn't love us anymore

01 12:33:00 povilusr zeta

01 13:29:00 Zeta_RHIT ?

01 13:35:00 povilusr forgot what i was gunna say

01 14:43:00 auchter povilusr_: no ops until you do a presentation

01 14:44:00 Morasique i'm surprised so few people have done presentations

01 14:44:00 Mishtal presentations are the work of satan

01 14:44:00 auchter Morasique: you too will join the elite club today

01 14:44:00 Morasique oh good

01 15:59:00 auchter oh great, now the ece department's sending stuff out in comic sans

01 16:00:00 quark whats so bad about it?

01 16:00:00 quark I mean

01 16:00:00 quark I've seen that site

01 16:00:00 auchter it's unreadable

01 16:00:00 quark that bashes the fuck out of it

01 16:00:00 quark no it isn't

01 16:00:00 quark I can read it

01 16:00:00 Zeta_RHIT can read it

01 16:00:00 Morasique it's more that it's the most raped font since helvetica

01 16:00:00 auchter yes, it is. it is an insult to typography

01 16:00:00 quark lol

01 16:00:00 quark I guess

01 16:01:00 quark I haven't really thought about it that much

01 16:02:00 quark i think comic sans looks cool

01 16:03:00 quark i mean you shoudln't use it to print a newspaper

01 16:03:00 auchter it looks horrible in all aspects

01 16:03:00 quark not in comics!

01 16:03:00 quark it looks perfect in comics

01 16:03:00 Morasique there was a time when i didn't hate it, but it has no effect anymore, it was way too overused to possibly convey anything anymore

01 16:03:00 quark and it looks normal on the text for beanie baby tags

01 16:03:00 Zeta_RHIT O.o

01 16:04:00 quark i'm looking at the notable uses on the wikipedia page

01 16:04:00 Zeta_RHIT Least valid reason ever?

01 16:04:00 quark it helps people with dyslexia

01 16:04:00 quark you are all anti-dyslexia

01 16:04:00 auchter how does it help people with dyslexia?

01 16:05:00 quark http://www.dfes.gov.uk/curriculum_literacy/access/dyslexia/

01 16:05:00 quark search for comic sans

01 16:07:00 quark i agree though

01 16:07:00 quark it is for little kids

01 16:07:00 quark and the ece department shouldn't be using it

01 16:11:00 auchter computer modern for the win

01 16:11:00 auchter though i've taken a liking to new century recently

01 16:12:00 Zeta_RHIT O.o

01 16:59:00 auchter someone should order pizza

01 16:59:00 tommost Pfft... who needs Pizza?

01 17:00:00 auchter s/needs/doesn't need/

01 17:00:00 andy753421 i have chicken stew, assuming i make it back to skinner in time to eat it

01 17:00:00 rr73 s/Pizza/sex

01 17:24:00 povilusr slaps TBoneULS around with a large trout

01 17:25:00 TBoneULS slaps povilusr around a bit with a large trout

01 17:27:00 auchter so much hate

01 17:28:00 TBoneULS ya

01 17:57:00 povilusr_trying_ it may be less slow ith

01 18:10:00 povilusr __________________

01 18:10:00 povilusr < cowsay is stupid >

01 18:10:00 povilusr ------------------

01 18:10:00 povilusr ^__^

01 18:10:00 povilusr (oo)_______

01 18:10:00 povilusr (__) )/

01 18:10:00 povilusr ||----w |

01 18:10:00 povilusr || ||

01 18:10:00 tboneuls_tablet thank you sam

01 19:36:00 collinjc povilusr_desktop: You're taking 351 next quarter, right?

01 19:36:00 povilusr_desktop prolly

01 19:36:00 povilusr_desktop i relly wanna take it later

01 19:37:00 povilusr_desktop but i think i am

01 19:39:00 povilusr_desktop i guess hudson is the only on teaching it

01 19:42:00 povilusr_desktop whats a csse class that dosent require 230 and is easy?

01 19:42:00 Mishtal um

01 19:42:00 Mishtal databases?

01 19:43:00 povilusr_desktop course number and is it easy?

01 19:45:00 povilusr_desktop aparently it requires 230

01 19:52:00 povilusr_desktop isent computer graphics easy?

01 20:00:00 collinjc povilusr_desktop: I've never had Hudson. Is she any good?

01 20:01:00 povilusr_desktop ive heard shes better than herniter as in still hard but not pain in the ass hard

01 20:03:00 collinjc I think I could take that.

01 20:05:00 collinjc Personally, I'd like to get it over with.

01 20:06:00 povilusr_desktop yeah i was hoping it would be later in the day

01 20:06:00 povilusr_desktop but dunno if thatl happen

01 20:06:00 povilusr_desktop also it prolly wont fill up so itl be nice

01 20:06:00 collinjc Yeah, second hour kind of sucks.

01 20:07:00 collinjc But I plan on shooting for it next quarter anyway.

01 20:07:00 povilusr_desktop 8:00 lab sucks ass

01 20:07:00 collinjc That it does. But after this quarter, I'm used to getting up early every freaking morning.

01 20:10:00 povilusr_desktop yeah i think il take it next quarter but argh i hate early classes

01 20:11:00 auchter the ece department hates us all

01 20:11:00 collinjc Our classes especially since we had to take systems courses.

01 20:16:00 andy753421 auchter: 'set match-hidden-files off'

01 20:17:00 auchter in zsh?

01 20:17:00 andy753421 bash

01 20:17:00 auchter doesn't work

01 20:17:00 andy753421 works for me..

01 20:18:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-001802_1920x1200_scrot.png

01 20:19:00 andy753421 ah, apparently you need to do $ bind 'set match-hidden-files off'

01 20:20:00 andy753421 http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-12/0809.shtml

01 20:20:00 auchter ah, excellent

01 20:23:00 povilusr_desktop so i have 24 signatures

01 20:27:00 auchter how many do you need?

01 20:27:00 povilusr_desktop 25

01 20:27:00 ferrelaj are you on campus?

01 20:27:00 povilusr_desktop no

01 20:27:00 ferrelaj or off?

01 20:27:00 ferrelaj are you at your apt right now?

01 20:28:00 ferrelaj oh wait

01 20:28:00 ferrelaj you're not in my class, nm

01 20:28:00 povilusr_desktop yeah its cool, batys gf can sign or like one of 20 other people i know

01 20:31:00 auchter we need a sophomore to run

01 20:31:00 povilusr_desktop that would be you

01 20:32:00 auchter i already said no to that.

01 20:35:00 octavious baty has a gf?

01 20:57:00 Blazeix octavious: loosely speaking.

01 21:18:00 tommost andy753421: There's a glitch in the log right in the middle of povilusr_desktop's cowsay.

01 21:24:00 andy753421 tommost: that's odd, i have no idea how that could happen

01 21:25:00 andy753421 it looks like 'read' read two lines at the same time from some random reason

01 21:25:00 tommost Yeah, but it's happened before.

01 21:25:00 andy753421 when/where?

01 21:25:00 tommost I recall it happening some months ago.

01 21:27:00 andy753421 that should be better, apparently i should have been using 'read -r line'

01 21:45:00 rr73 deadmines?

01 21:54:00 auchter "Put it this way: It's unwise to make program structure depend on

01 21:55:00 auchter invisible characters." - Rob Pike

01 21:56:00 auchter see, no one likes python

01 21:58:00 Morasique that's my biggest problem with python, i never liked that

01 21:58:00 crr it's funny how otherwise smart people can get hung up on the simplest of things (time to run and hide?)

01 21:59:00 auchter ah, good, i was wondering why no one was flaming me

01 22:00:00 crr normally I wouldn't, but it bothers me that so many people make such a big deal about the indentation thing

01 22:00:00 crr it has not come up for me in a *long* time

01 22:01:00 Morasique well, we were all thinking it

01 22:01:00 Morasique it was festering

01 22:07:00 andy753421 crr: i think one of the reasons the whitespace thing comes up is because its the most glaring example of how the python community works

01 22:08:00 andy753421 I.e. "this way is better, if you think you have another way, you're wrong"

01 22:08:00 Morasique TIMTWWTDI!

01 22:08:00 auchter Morasique: yay perl

01 22:12:00 crr there's a reason for that: in perl code, everyone has their own way of expressing the same thing

01 22:12:00 crr which makes it confusing for people used to one set of idioms, when they see another set

01 22:13:00 crr perl is easier to write, but it's typically considered to be hard to read

01 22:14:00 tommost Yay whitespace!

01 22:14:00 auchter i didn't mean for this to turn into perl vs. python, it's just that morasique brought it up

01 22:14:00 tommost And by whitespace, I mean the little arrows and dots that I use so that I can see whitespace.

01 22:14:00 auchter perl is definitely harder to read, but i don't believe it's because the lack of whitespace enforcement

01 22:15:00 tommost Because tabs vs. spaces matter.

01 22:16:00 crr sure

01 22:17:00 crr the python attitude of "this way is better" is clear - indeed, the python interpreter itself will tell you "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it."

01 22:18:00 crr and I've personally found with python that the way you'd do it is natural enough that it works for me

01 22:19:00 auchter the "one way" idea, you have to admit, comes off a bit elitist compared to the "do what thou wilt" ideaology of other languages

01 22:19:00 crr I can see that

01 22:57:00 tommost If I were to get one of those standalone number pads they sell for people on laptops how difficult would it be to remap the keys on it—and just the keys on that pad alone—to do other things?

01 23:00:00 octavious yes.

01 23:00:00 tommost octavious: That you very much.~

01 23:02:00 tommost Anyone?

01 23:03:00 Morasique it should be trivial, the numpad keys are separate keycodes

01 23:03:00 auchter if it just shows up as another device in /dev/input/event*, it probably wouldn't be hard

01 23:03:00 tommost Okay.

01 23:04:00 tommost To clarify, I want to use it in addition to the keypad on my keyboard.

01 23:04:00 tommost It would provide assorted buttons of usefulness.

01 23:04:00 Morasique oh, wait. that's not good then

01 23:04:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure it won't show up as a separate device

01 23:05:00 Morasique i tried to do the same thing with a full external keyboard and i couldn't get the system to see them separately

01 23:05:00 auchter hm, let me find a usb keyboard...

01 23:05:00 Morasique mine was ps2, but i don't think it matters. let me know if it works though, i wanted the same thing

01 23:06:00 Morasique tommost: if it doesn't work, i recommend a game pad, that's what i ended up getting

01 23:07:00 tommost Hmm... yeah, these do seem to be cheaper.

01 23:07:00 Morasique http://www.trustedreviews.com/gaming/review/2005/12/09/Saitek-Pro-Gamer-Command-Unit/p1

01 23:07:00 Morasique oooooooooooo

01 23:07:00 Morasique game pad + gizmod = python scriptable input

01 23:07:00 andy753421 tommost: take a look at setxkbmap(1) kbd(8) xmodmap(1)

01 23:07:00 auchter it's sad when you find your keyboard in the pantry under the microwave.

01 23:08:00 auchter so, the keyboard i just plugged in shows up as /dev/input/even6

01 23:08:00 auchter s/even/event/

01 23:08:00 Morasique suck, why didn't that work for me

01 23:09:00 Morasique i need to find a usb keyboard

01 23:09:00 auchter it is distinct from my laptop's keyboard, but as of right now keypresses on it still register as keystrokes seen by X/console

01 23:09:00 andy753421 Morasique: were you using /dev/input/mice?

01 23:10:00 Morasique the other keyboard didn't show up separately at all as i recall, and when i tried capturing keystrokes from it with gizmod it had all the same properties as my internal keyboard

01 23:10:00 andy753421 also, if you want event? files, i think you need to enable it in the kernel

01 23:10:00 auchter Morasique: ps/2 is weird, so i don't doubt that it didn't show up separately

01 23:10:00 andy753421 try xev, that's the standard X11 button/key thingey

01 23:12:00 andy753421 but those will probably show up as the same, with setxkbmap and kbd you can specify the device file, so you should be able to do remappings somehow

01 23:12:00 andy753421 there's also xinput, which may be helpful for testing without restarting X

01 23:12:00 tommost This makes me afraid that I'm going to have issues when I start doing serious mucking around with X servers.

01 23:13:00 auchter i can't see how any of this would make you haev problems

01 23:13:00 tommost Okay then.

01 23:13:00 andy753421 just backup xorg.conf and you should be good, also, gnome might try to override your settings..

01 23:13:00 tommost Gizmo looks really interesting.

01 23:14:00 Morasique tommost: it's great

01 23:14:00 tommost Messing with xorg.conf is such a pain; gizmo sounds easier.

01 23:14:00 andy753421 ahh layers of indirection

01 23:14:00 auchter also, i suggest an NES controller for controlling things

01 23:15:00 Morasique that would entertain me

01 23:15:00 auchter the protocol is super easy to bit-bang on a parallel port

01 23:15:00 tommost I already have a Wiimote.

01 23:15:00 tommost auchter: For you, not me.

01 23:15:00 auchter i used to have mine set up controlling mpd

01 23:15:00 auchter tommost: no, it really is simple.

01 23:15:00 Morasique ultimate setup: cube spinning with the NES controller and fire text with the wiimote

01 23:15:00 tommost Wiimote >> anything not a wiimote.

01 23:16:00 andy753421 tommost: except something with a rotational accelerometer

01 23:16:00 tommost The Wiimote has *two* of those, including the nunchuck.

01 23:16:00 tommost Plus an infrared camera.

01 23:16:00 andy753421 tommost: nope

01 23:17:00 tommost Oh, yeah, it has a bunch of them which you can use to do the same thing.

01 23:17:00 andy753421 it has a linear accelerometer, but no rotational accelerometer, (i don't know about the numchuck though..)

01 23:17:00 andy753421 tommost: no, you can't

01 23:17:00 tommost The wiimote and nunchuck each have three linear accelerometers.

01 23:17:00 tommost One for each axis.

01 23:17:00 tommost What can you do with a rotational one?

01 23:18:00 andy753421 decent dead reckoning..

01 23:18:00 tommost Is that what's in the MicroStrain?

01 23:18:00 andy753421 yea, i believe it has a 3-axis rotational and a 3-axis linear

01 23:19:00 auchter yes, but i'd argue that linear accelerometers are, generally, more useful

01 23:19:00 tommost Oooooooooooooo.

01 23:19:00 tommost Cheaper too, I'd bet.

01 23:19:00 auchter though for a pointing device, a combination would be excellent

01 23:19:00 andy753421 yea, the wiimote is pretty usless as a pointing device without the IR sensor

01 23:19:00 tommost With the Wiimote you preferably use the infrared camera to do pointing.

01 23:20:00 andy753421 but that means you need special hardware and can't use it like a normal floating mouse

01 23:20:00 auchter s/camera/photoresistor/

01 23:20:00 tommost auchter: It's actually a camera, to my understanding.

01 23:20:00 tommost andy753421: I mainly want to use it like a TV remote, so no loss there.

01 23:20:00 Morasique forget the wiimote, we need to break out the duck hunt guns

01 23:21:00 andy753421 auchter: i think it actually does have a camera, i don't remember the resolution though

01 23:21:00 tommost ~1 Mpixel.

01 23:21:00 andy753421 Morasique: duck hunt guns don't work on LCDs and projectors

01 23:21:00 Morasique well, we've got CPEs in here, they can figure it out

01 23:22:00 auchter ah, wow, so i was wrong

01 23:22:00 tommost Don't they use the blanking time (or whatever it's called) of the CRT?

01 23:22:00 tommost I don't think that you could emulate that.

01 23:22:00 auchter http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/Wiimote/Technology.html flashbacks to csse461

01 23:47:00 tommost andy753421: You should upload my improved LUG Wiki stylesheets.

01 23:47:00 tommost The font has been fixed in Firefox 3 and there is a variant without the shadows everyone complains about.

01 23:48:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/

01 23:49:00 andy753421 done

01 23:52:00 auchter i decided to give it another try; the flickering and other oddities with the bottom bar are worse than i remember

01 23:53:00 tommost auchter: Upgrade to Firefox 3.

01 23:53:00 tommost They fixed that bug.

01 23:53:00 tommost Also, has anyone found a Webkit browser for Ubuntu? I would like to make the stylesheet compatible with it.

01 23:56:00 andy753421 tommost: Epiphany supports it

01 23:56:00 auchter skipstone too

01 23:56:00 andy753421 is skipstone any good? epiphany/midori both suck when using webkit

01 23:56:00 auchter i haven't actually tried it yet

01 23:56:00 auchter i just recall it from when i was looking for a firefox replacment

01 23:56:00 tommost The version of Epiphany that comes with Ubuntu is still on Geko.

01 23:57:00 tommost s/Geko/Gecko/

01 23:58:00 tommost Midori seems to be available.

02 00:04:00 andy753421 Midori is very incomplete, skipstone seems the same way.. :(

02 00:04:00 auchter which brings us to the next point: why do all current browsers suck?

02 00:04:00 tommost Gah! Midori fucks up widget font colors like Firefox!

02 00:05:00 andy753421 gtkwebkit also doesn't support rose-hulmans SSL certs

02 00:05:00 tommost Yeah, half of the preferences and menu options in Midori are ghosted out.

02 00:05:00 andy753421 tommost: i told you it was 'incomplete' :P

02 00:05:00 tommost I was agreeing with you.

02 00:05:00 tommost And elaborating.

02 00:05:00 andy753421 ah, ok

02 00:05:00 Morasique crr: http://www.xkcd.com/418/

02 00:07:00 tommost andy753421: Would it be possible for you to link the stylesheets on the Wiki directly to the ones on my webspace? It's difficult to debug in Midori when there isn't any way to swap different ones in (like Greasemonkey).

02 00:10:00 andy753421 tommost: can i just put some sort of @import in main.css?

02 00:10:00 tommost That would be perfect.

02 00:10:00 andy753421 what should it link to?

02 00:13:00 auchter i love helpful comments (from midori's source, right above int main()): // -- main function

02 00:13:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/styles.css

02 00:13:00 andy753421 ok, done

02 00:13:00 andy753421 Fail! http://lug.phire.org/mw/skins/tom/main.css?97 (it doesn't seem to work)

02 00:13:00 andy753421 that, or i somehow have it disabled

02 00:19:00 andy753421 ah, apparently the ';' at the end matters for import

02 00:19:00 tommost And http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/styles.noshadow.css for the shadowless variant.

02 00:19:00 andy753421 am i supposed to link them both at the same time or something?

02 00:19:00 tommost No.

02 00:19:00 tommost One needs to go in a different MediaWiki theme.

02 00:19:00 tommost So that people can select the shadowless version.

02 00:19:00 tommost I've fixed the theme for WebKit.

02 00:20:00 andy753421 tommost: i'm deleting all the images off the lug server

02 00:20:00 tommost Okay.

02 00:30:00 auchter the GtkLauncher browser included with webkit is actually not half bad

02 00:31:00 auchter it might not be a bad starting point for a new browser

02 00:31:00 tommost The trouble with using WebKit is that its JavaScript support is sucky compared to Gecko's.

02 00:31:00 tommost s/its/it's/

02 00:32:00 Morasique you were fine the first time

02 00:32:00 auchter yeah, that was a failure of a regex

02 00:32:00 tommost Ooops.

02 00:33:00 crr Morasique: that's awesome

02 00:33:00 Morasique crr: it's very bad that my first thought was "holy crap....i CAN cook bacon whenever i want!"

02 00:33:00 tommost Anyway, an important idea for a new browser: use something better than the Netscape plugin API.

02 00:33:00 tommost So that Flash stuff doesn't swallow events.

02 00:33:00 tommost Better: integrate Flash directly.

02 00:33:00 auchter better: forget flash

02 00:34:00 tommost Avoid all those silly crashes.

02 00:34:00 andy753421 tommost: how does it swallow events?

02 00:34:00 crr I should see about picking some up; I've been missing out for quite some time

02 00:34:00 tommost andy753421: Click on a flash movie.

02 00:34:00 Morasique tommost: that's been on the mozilla buglist for a while, apparently it would be awful to change the architecture to not do that anymore

02 00:34:00 tommost Now try to use Ctrl-T to open a new tab.

02 00:34:00 andy753421 ah, ok

02 00:34:00 crr I remember last year when Sam had a ridiculous amount

02 00:40:00 andy753421 for the record, I am now very scared by MediaWiki

02 00:41:00 andy753421 apparently, skins don't work unless you /don't/ close the <?php ?> tag

02 00:41:00 tommost For the record, I have always been scared of MediaWiki.

02 00:41:00 tommost shivers

02 00:41:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=tomns

02 00:41:00 Morasique there's some technical reason why leaving off closing php tags is a good thing, i don't remember why

02 00:41:00 Morasique i've never done it

02 00:42:00 tommost This situation exemplifies everything that is wrong with PHP.

02 00:44:00 Morasique hugs php

02 00:44:00 tommost mugs php

02 00:44:00 Morasique mugs python

02 00:45:00 tommost hugs perl

02 00:45:00 tommost Ewwww...

02 00:45:00 andy753421 I think the following quote from php.net/implode does a better job at exemplifying what's wrong with php

02 00:45:00 andy753421 "Note: implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order."

02 00:45:00 tommost I don't think that the quote is necessary. The function name speaks for itself.

02 00:45:00 tommost What does it do?

02 00:45:00 Morasique tommost: implode is join in python

02 00:46:00 tommost Morasique: I do know that.

02 00:46:00 andy753421 duh, it's the opposite of explode

02 00:46:00 Morasique and yeah, the worst part of php is its terrible lack of conventions

02 00:46:00 tommost But when I first tried to find explode/implode in PHP I couldn't find them because of their braindead names.

02 00:46:00 Morasique i think there's a split function too that just aliases to explode

02 00:46:00 tommost Yeah, all of its conventions are followed thoroughly, except when they're not.

02 00:47:00 tommost Like naming string functions to start with str.

02 00:48:00 Morasique i can live with the function names being messed up, it's the argument order that kills me

02 00:48:00 tommost Yeah.

02 00:49:00 Morasique strtr and str_replace do similar things; strtr takes $subject, $from, $to while str_replace takes $from, $to, $subject

02 00:49:00 Morasique how does that happen?

02 00:49:00 andy753421 you know, vim will auto complete PHP functions, and tell your the argument orders

02 00:49:00 tommost And there's even a strtok function.

02 00:49:00 tommost Which is practically as stupid as the C version.

02 00:50:00 Morasique andy753421: so will emacs, that doesn't mean it's ok

02 00:50:00 Morasique tommost: i think it is the C version, PHP is written in C

02 00:50:00 tommost Yeah.

02 00:50:00 tommost Lots of fun for the alternate implementations.

02 00:51:00 tommost PHP also lacks any conception of what is appropriate for the standard library. See soundex.

02 00:52:00 Morasique what's wrong with soundex?

02 00:52:00 Morasique you mean it shouldn't be part of the standard library?

02 00:52:00 tommost It, along with metaphone, should not be present in the documentation right alongside string functions that I might actually want to use.

02 00:53:00 Morasique can't forget levenshtein. that one is essential

02 00:54:00 tommost Indeed.

02 00:54:00 andy753421 i'd rather have soundex in the global namespace than have to import time in order to use sleep

02 00:54:00 tommost ...

02 00:55:00 tommost "echo() is not actually a function (it is a language construct), so you are not required to use parentheses with it. echo() (unlike some other language constructs) does not behave like a function, so it cannot always be used in the context of a function. Additionally, if you want to pass more than one parameter to echo(), the parameters must not be enclosed within parentheses."

02 00:55:00 tommost At least they're consistent in how they reference the non-function like it's a function.

02 00:55:00 andy753421 isn't python's print statement the same way?

02 00:55:00 Morasique tommost: use print if it bothers you :)

02 00:56:00 tommost I'm not mocking echo, I'm mocking the documentation, which says that no parenthesis are necessary and that echo isn't a function and then keeps calling it "echo()".

02 00:56:00 tommost Also, Python's print is turning into a proper function in Python 3.

02 00:57:00 andy753421 yea, from what i hear, everything is going to be perfect in the great 'Python 3'...

02 00:57:00 auchter i thought it was python 3000?

02 00:57:00 tommost That's the codename.

02 00:57:00 Morasique same in perl 6. it's going to blow your mind

02 00:57:00 auchter Morasique: the "say" function does blow my mind

02 00:58:00 tommost The difference being that there's already an alpha or two out for Python 3.

02 00:58:00 Morasique damn right it does. no more barbaric print(str+"\n");

02 00:58:00 Morasique tommost: there's something that could be called a beta for perl 6

02 00:58:00 tommost And how long has it been in beta?

02 00:59:00 auchter yay, i have GtkLauncher removed from the WebKit build system

02 00:59:00 andy753421 started on Feb 2005

02 00:59:00 tommost snickers

02 00:59:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/FxorWV47.html now that's a mkfile

02 01:00:00 tommost So you're making your own web browser?

02 01:00:00 Morasique that's not nearly complicated enough to do anything useful

02 01:00:00 andy753421 eh, that's aright, parrot can run python too :P

02 01:00:00 auchter tommost: doubtful, but i can pretend, can't i?

02 01:00:00 tommost You should.

02 01:00:00 auchter i have no experience at all

02 01:00:00 tommost I'd like to see an auchtery web browser.

02 01:00:00 tommost You can just do the UI; leave the rendering to WebKit.

02 01:00:00 andy753421 can it have flaming sheep as the logo?

02 01:01:00 octavious auchter: what is GtkLauncher??

02 01:02:00 auchter octavious: basic gtk browser included with webkit

02 01:02:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-050142_1920x1200_scrot.png

02 01:02:00 tommost There are too many widgets. And the text is anti-aliased. You should fix that.

02 01:02:00 TBoneULS Blazeix: screw you (this is regarding your earlier commment of "loosely speaking")

02 01:03:00 Morasique reads the log

02 01:03:00 Blazeix Yeah, I was disappointed that I didn't get a violent reaction.

02 01:03:00 auchter the code is only 203 lines (excluding the massivity that is webkit)

02 01:03:00 TBoneULS slaps quark around a bit with a large trout

02 01:03:00 TBoneULS um

02 01:03:00 auchter i'll see if i can learn enough about gtk to add tabs, in which case it would be pretty cool

02 01:03:00 Blazeix You missed

02 01:03:00 TBoneULS i have no idea how that happened

02 01:03:00 TBoneULS none

02 01:04:00 TBoneULS i was typing, and apparently i hit some key

02 01:04:00 Morasique you have a special hotkey for slapping people with large trout?

02 01:04:00 Blazeix I, too, slap people with fish enough that I need a bound key

02 01:04:00 TBoneULS i wasn't here earlier, otherwise it would have gotten some sort of response

02 01:04:00 TBoneULS apprently i do

02 01:04:00 octavious auchter: very nice. needs a vimperator-like UI and i am in.

02 01:04:00 octavious :)

02 01:04:00 TBoneULS slaps Blazeix around a bit with a large trout

02 01:04:00 TBoneULS there

02 01:04:00 TBoneULS no more with the missing

02 01:04:00 tommost GTK? Weak. It should use w3m magic to display WebKit's renderings in the terminal. And be totally command-line oriented.

02 01:05:00 auchter octavious: that's exactly what i want, actually

02 01:05:00 octavious sounds awesome.

02 01:05:00 octavious new project?

02 01:05:00 tommost kills auchter's new project in the womb

02 01:05:00 tommost Robot!

02 01:06:00 auchter right now, i don't know enough to do anything useful

02 01:06:00 auchter i'm willing to learn though, and i need something to kill the time that i don't have

02 01:06:00 octavious auchter: for the summer maybe.

02 01:06:00 Blazeix Has anyone here messed around with midori and its lua scripting?

02 01:06:00 andy753421 you should write it in ETK, because.. um.. enlightenment is cool..

02 01:06:00 Blazeix it might be interesting to code up a vimperator plugin for midori

02 01:06:00 Morasique Blazeix: no, but i sense a presentation

02 01:07:00 Blazeix for plp one of my top languages was lua

02 01:07:00 Morasique way to lose on that one

02 01:07:00 Blazeix since then I've encountered about 17 projects that use lua

02 01:07:00 tommost Blazeix: Can you manipulate the DOM with it?

02 01:07:00 Blazeix Not a clue. I don't know lua

02 01:07:00 Morasique lots of game scripting is in lua

02 01:07:00 tommost SciTE uses Lua.

02 01:07:00 octavious auchter: i think it would be a cool project to get in on. i'll have some time during the summer to help

02 01:07:00 Blazeix I think Sam Ostling learned lua for Homeworld 2

02 01:08:00 andy753421 auchter/octavious: i can put a svn (or something else) repo on lug.phire.org if you'd like

02 01:09:00 auchter sure, i think it'd be a rather useful project

02 01:09:00 octavious i would be very interested in doing so

02 01:10:00 auchter andy753421: what are you going to be doing with the server over the summer?

02 01:10:00 andy753421 auchter: beats the hell out of mee

02 01:10:00 tommost I'll host it in my room if I end up on campus.

02 01:10:00 andy753421 i'll have to see if i'm going to have a good network connection in Oklahoma

02 01:11:00 Morasique i should make sure i have a network connection at all in my apartment

02 01:11:00 Morasique that will be important

02 01:11:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, i could put it in the robotics lab too, but it sort of has all my stuff (music, videos, files, etc) on it too so I want it on a local network

02 01:12:00 andy753421 i might just find a different box and put all the LUG stuff on that.. in which case it could stay at rose

02 01:12:00 andy753421 auchter/octavious: repo name?

02 01:14:00 auchter doesn't matter to me

02 01:15:00 tommost auchterbrowse

02 01:15:00 auchter also, if you wanted to install gentoo on freya (or even clone part of your drive)

02 01:15:00 auchter because that's staying on campus

02 01:16:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/svn/auchtery/

02 01:17:00 tommost Score!

02 01:17:00 andy753421 if you want write access let me know

02 01:17:00 andy753421 (right now it's me, auchter, and octavious)

02 01:17:00 auchter i think the name might frighten people

02 01:17:00 tommost Good.

02 01:18:00 tommost They should be afraid.

02 01:24:00 Blazeix Even if I don't end up using midori, I like the theme linked from the homepage.

02 01:24:00 Blazeix Its a very well done black theme. Don't see many of those.

02 01:26:00 tommost Yes, that is very nice.

02 01:26:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-052546_1920x1200_scrot.png gtk is rather cool

02 01:28:00 Blazeix has anyone ever heard of xcodebuild? I need it build midori, but can't find any info about it.

02 01:29:00 Blazeix hmm. From a google it looks like its a Mac tool.

02 01:29:00 auchter it doesn't look like it will be too hard to implement tabs; i have some idea of how to go about it now

02 01:29:00 auchter if i have some time over the weekend i'll give it a go, but i've apparently got a paper due tomorrow

02 01:29:00 andy753421 Blazeix: i don't think i needed that to build midori..

02 01:30:00 andy753421 Blazeix: are you using git?

02 01:30:00 octavious auchter: are you just messing with the GtkLauncher source?

02 01:30:00 Blazeix Arch Linux (my distro) has a pkgbuild for it, and that's what i'm using.

02 01:30:00 Blazeix I'll just build it straight from source.

02 01:31:00 auchter octavious: yeah, for right now, though i think it'd be easier to just start from scratch

02 01:31:00 Blazeix andy753421: did you use git or 0.0.17?

02 01:31:00 octavious auchter: definitely, just curious

02 01:31:00 andy753421 i think i used 0.0.17 but i think that doesn't work with current webkit

02 01:31:00 auchter octavious: yeah, it's at least small and easy to understand

02 01:31:00 andy753421 i just built the git version and it seems to work

02 01:32:00 auchter but seems targeted to a single-page view, understandably

02 01:32:00 andy753421 hey, i can change the font size with the GIT version :)

02 01:33:00 octavious auchter: i very _vaguely_ recall stumbling across a library that allowed for simple implementation of a vi-like ui..

02 01:34:00 auchter octavious: that'd be interesting... vimperator's in javascript, right?

02 01:34:00 octavious auchter: yes.

02 01:36:00 octavious auchter: you working from the webkitgtk SVN repo?

02 01:37:00 andy753421 there's a gtkwebkit ebuild in gentoo sunrise

02 01:37:00 andy753421 er, it's actually called webkitgtk

02 01:37:00 auchter octavious: i used the r32778 from http://nightly.webkit.org/

02 01:39:00 auchter andy753421: your svn setup is awesome.

02 01:39:00 andy753421 wait, why?

02 01:40:00 auchter LDAP authentication.

02 01:40:00 andy753421 ah, yea

02 01:40:00 andy753421 there's a vague possibility that i can convince McLeish to use that next year

02 01:43:00 auchter http://9fans.net/archive/2008/05/14

02 01:44:00 andy753421 auchter: there's actually some interesting things you can do with indentation..

02 01:45:00 auchter like completely mess up makefiles?

02 01:45:00 andy753421 i've always wanted to make a stack based language where the indentation represents the depth of the stack

02 01:45:00 auchter sometimes you scare me

02 01:46:00 auchter regardless, care to elaborate? i'm not quite seeing how that would work

02 01:46:00 andy753421 it'd be cool because you could make operators (such as 'sum') that take varying number of parameters

02 01:46:00 auchter ah, i see

02 01:46:00 andy753421 i'll write up a quick example..

02 01:49:00 andy753421 http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/example.txt

02 01:51:00 andy753421 actually, i just updated that to be a better example

02 01:51:00 Morasique what does the indenting do?

02 01:52:00 Morasique oh, so the method calls pop off the stack back to the depth of indentation?

02 01:52:00 andy753421 yea

02 01:52:00 Morasique that's fairly cool

02 01:52:00 andy753421 it's a really nice way to never have to use parentheses or commas

02 01:52:00 auchter yeah, that's pretty interesting

02 02:09:00 koshiiie someone has my name -_-

02 02:09:00 koshiiie bah freenode

02 02:11:00 koshii1 questions!

02 02:12:00 andy753421 koshii1: /msg nickserv ghost

02 02:12:00 Morasique koshii1: you're the one with your name

02 02:12:00 koshii1 i had koshiie registered

02 02:12:00 koshii1 but it looks like someone is using it :/

02 02:13:00 Morasique irc didn't disconnect you properly, run the command andy753421 said

02 02:13:00 koshii1 okay

02 02:14:00 koshii1 it says koshiie has been killed

02 02:14:00 koshii1 :[

02 02:15:00 Morasique now you can do /nick koshiie

02 02:15:00 koshii1 oh

02 02:15:00 koshii1 i see

02 02:15:00 Morasique it disconnected your other session

02 02:15:00 koshiie i have a question about um induction .. for csse230

02 02:17:00 koshiie the problem says, show the result of inserting items 1 through 15 in order in an initially empty AVL tree. Generalize this result (with proof) to show what happens when items 1 through 2^k - 1 are inserted into an initially empty AVL tree.

02 02:18:00 koshiie i don't see what needs to be proved :s maybe how the tree structure is outputted?

02 02:19:00 koshiie oh wait this is for linux :s sorry ..

02 02:20:00 Morasique i don't remember much of anything from 230, you should probably ask a TA

02 02:20:00 koshiie i couldn't find one earlier and i think it's too late now :(

02 02:22:00 auchter i get depressed whenever i have to double-space my beautifully typeset documents

02 02:22:00 auchter it's an absolute travesty

02 02:24:00 andy753421 auchter: what's it for?

02 02:25:00 auchter music history

02 02:25:00 andy753421 you should print it in Currier, just to spite them

02 02:26:00 auchter mmm, curry

02 02:26:00 andy753421 er, however that's spelled

02 02:26:00 auchter i know you mean courier, but curry tastes better

02 02:27:00 andy753421 true, speaking of which, i need to find somewhere where i can buy tai curry paste..

02 02:27:00 koshiie courier?

02 02:27:00 auchter red or green?

02 02:27:00 andy753421 any :P but i actually like red/yellow

02 02:27:00 auchter actually, they sell both at baeslers, as i have a small jar of red curry paste

02 02:27:00 Morasique koshiie: it's a typeface

02 02:27:00 koshiie i know

02 02:28:00 koshiie i was just behind in reading :p sorry

02 02:28:00 auchter if baeslers doesn't have it (though i'm pretty sure they do), the asian market would

02 03:02:00 Morasique i'm writing bytecode for the JVM, for some inexplicable reason the JVM has bytecodes for loading the ints -1 through 5 onto the stack, and that's all, so int a=5; will use the bytecode iconst_5, but int a=6; uses bipush 6. apparently they felt that range of ints was used more heavily or something

02 03:06:00 auchter is there any benefit to using the iconsts?

02 03:06:00 Morasique i have no idea, i assume there is

02 12:24:00 tommost http://pownce.com/ubernostrum/notes/2036931/

02 13:38:00 Morasique povilusr_: "user" is quite the username

02 13:40:00 povilusr_ ?

02 13:43:00 Morasique "povilusr_ (i=user@povilusr-1.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu) has joined #rhlug"

02 13:44:00 povilusr_ oh, yeah im ausome

02 13:52:00 povilusr_ mmmmm i product: http://imagechan.net/img/4652/iProduct.gif/ we should segjust that the mac fanboy club buy some

02 13:53:00 Morasique my god, was that supposed to be "suggest"?

02 13:53:00 povilusr_ yes

02 13:53:00 Morasique :D i like "how much does it cost? like you care"

02 13:55:00 auchter i think mu just covered more in the first 15 minutes of class than yoder does in an hour

02 13:55:00 povilusr_ but could you understand it, and did it make since

02 13:55:00 povilusr_ ?

02 13:55:00 auchter i have no problem understanding her, and it make perfect sense

02 13:55:00 Morasique i had trouble understanding mu when she taught our ece130 class for a few days, but i imagine you'd get used to it

02 13:56:00 povilusr_ i personaly like yoder for comparch

02 13:56:00 auchter i don't have problems with most accents

02 13:59:00 povilusr_ so im watching enemies of reason, and some faith healer is expaling dna to an evolutonary biologist, and how some people dont have double helix dna but rather triangles with 12 strands

02 14:01:00 povilusr_ its ausome

02 14:01:00 auchter ...and i'm sure people believe it

02 14:02:00 povilusr_ :(

02 14:12:00 Morasique somehow even though i thought i already fixed it, most of the hardy repositories were missing from my sources list. i readded them and now i have 83 updates

02 14:15:00 Morasique and at 15kB/s, it'll only take me 2 hours to get them

02 14:15:00 povilusr_ mmmmm bandwith restrictions

02 14:16:00 Morasique i think it's actually partially ubuntu's fault, their repositories have been incredibly slow lately

02 14:16:00 povilusr_ oh

02 14:16:00 Morasique but i blame rose for part of it

02 14:20:00 Morasique the first embedded class without laptops is about to start. i'm amused

02 14:20:00 povilusr_ screw you, were all gunna die

02 14:21:00 povilusr_ im gunna sleep

02 14:21:00 Morasique that's exactly why i'm amused

02 14:21:00 povilusr_ you should come

02 14:21:00 Morasique that does sound fun

02 14:21:00 Morasique but i think i'm good here

02 14:21:00 povilusr_ were wanting someone to come to class set up there laptop, then whhen hoover tells them to close it have them just get up an leave

02 14:22:00 povilusr_ someone who will never be effected by hoover

02 14:22:00 Morasique :D

02 14:23:00 povilusr_ say something like " i could never make it through this class withought a laptop" under their breath as they leave

02 15:32:00 Blazeix All right. I'm never giving up my IP address.

02 15:32:00 Morasique we'll see about that

02 15:32:00 Blazeix Also, pidgin is insisting that every word I'm typing is spelled wrong.

02 15:32:00 Blazeix This must be what it feels like to be sam.

02 15:32:00 Morasique except you noticed and care

02 15:32:00 Blazeix does pidgin use aspell?

02 15:34:00 Morasique i think so

02 16:01:00 Morasique wtf: http://137.112.138.172/cprogress.png

02 16:01:00 Morasique apparently the traditional "." was not cool enough for novell

02 16:11:00 tommost_phantom So, I'm on Phantom.

02 16:11:00 Morasique i suspected that

02 16:11:00 tommost_phantom And Firefox is so messed up that it can't do SSL.

02 16:11:00 Morasique i probably could've guessed that too. punch mcleish and format it

02 16:14:00 Morasique tommost: you use openoffice 2.4 right?

02 16:14:00 tommost_phantom Whatever comes with Ubuntu. I think it's 2.4.

02 16:14:00 Morasique it's 2.3 with gutsy, 2.4 with hardy. can you open xlsx or pptx files?

02 16:15:00 tommost_phantom Yes, I've been able to for months.

02 16:15:00 tommost_phantom Since well before Hardy.

02 16:15:00 Morasique yeah, mine worked before hardy, it's broken now

02 16:15:00 Morasique i can still open docx, but xlsx and pptx don't work

02 16:17:00 tommost_phantom I haven't tried xslx, but I know that pptx works (but brokenly).

02 16:17:00 tommost_phantom I usually just use the terminal server to open any mildly complex pptx.

02 16:17:00 tommost_phantom Or to edit docx.

02 16:34:00 tommost_phantom luglog: No ops until you do a presentation!

02 16:34:00 Morasique i was looking at the level list and it said you need level 10 to use the op command, i wasn't sure if it meant the chanserv command or /op, apparently it means the former

02 16:48:00 Mishtal gah

02 16:48:00 Mishtal something happened to my system

02 16:48:00 Mishtal now my mouse constant left and middle clicks

02 16:48:00 Mishtal and i have no idea whats going on

02 16:48:00 Mishtal *tear*

02 16:50:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-204855_1920x1200_scrot.png

02 16:50:00 auchter this has given me a good excuse to learn gtk

02 16:50:00 auchter quite a bit easier than i thought

02 16:52:00 tommost_phantom auchter: You should change your default screenshot filename. The "scrot" reminds me of "scrotum," which always gives me pause.

02 16:53:00 auchter tommost_phantom: eh, you'll get over it

02 19:26:00 Morasique Blazeix: i added my presentation stuff at http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Shell_Tricks_%28presentation%29

02 19:53:00 Blazeix Morasique: Thanks.

02 21:13:00 bolandmg Man, I have no motivation to work for the next two weeks... This sucks.

02 21:14:00 Morasique not failing?

02 21:14:00 bolandmg Not at the moment

02 21:15:00 bolandmg I'm just tired of caring and would rather not

02 21:16:00 auchter yeah, you should definitely not. except for our comp arch paper, that you should.

02 21:30:00 auchter on the bright side, two weeks remaining

02 21:52:00 rr73 NEEEEEEETTTTTTTT SSSSSSSSSPPPPPPLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

02 23:23:00 Morasique povilusr has been on the wrong side of both netsplits. i blame him

02 23:54:00 Morasique Blazeix: i think you were having the same thunderbird problem i was with the broken attachments, i posted a fix at http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Thunderbird_Setup#Truncated_Attachment_Problem

03 00:41:00 Morasique heck yes. openoffice 3 will print on my machine. success

03 00:42:00 auchter are you implying that you weren't able to print from OOo before?

03 00:44:00 Morasique yeah, i've asked about it on here before, it appears to be unique to me

03 00:45:00 auchter there used to be a printer administration tool that came with it

03 00:47:00 Morasique there still is

03 00:48:00 Morasique i could never figure out what the issue is, when i try to print it acts like nothing happened, the job never gets to cups at all

03 00:49:00 auchter that's pretty strange

03 00:49:00 Morasique it is. i was hoping it would fix when i upgraded to 2.4, but it's still broken there. so yay for 3

03 00:49:00 andy753421 does it work for other users on your system?

03 00:50:00 Morasique no, i tried making a new user just to test it

03 00:50:00 Morasique what drives me crazy, and i will never be able to explain this, i had the exact same problem when i installed it on my vista machine

03 00:50:00 Morasique which is quite obviously impossible

03 00:50:00 Morasique it has to be some unrelated issue, but it's a huge coincidence that it happened on both machines

03 00:54:00 Blazeix In unrelated news, you guys should all go see Ironman

03 00:55:00 Morasique from what i heard, everyone in the world did

03 00:55:00 Blazeix Yeah, there were a lot of Rose people there.

03 00:56:00 Blazeix predictably

03 00:56:00 auchter i watched an excellent movie tonight but went absolutely crazy adjusting the a/v sync in mplayer throughout the whole thing because it didn't seem to sync right

03 00:56:00 Blazeix which movie?

03 00:56:00 auchter then i found out that in the 60s, italian film makers apparently though it was better to overdub the entire movie after filming

03 00:56:00 auchter otto e mezzo

03 00:59:00 Morasique i can't find it now, but there was a xkcd about watching a movie on your computer and getting distracted writing a script to move the mouse so the screen won't shut off

03 01:00:00 auchter Morasique: i remember that one, and thought of it several times when my screen shut off

03 01:00:00 Morasique mplayer actually checks for the major screensavers and shuts them off when it starts, which i find pretty cool

03 01:00:00 Blazeix http://xkcd.com/196/

03 01:00:00 auchter this was the dpms screen blanking

03 01:00:00 Morasique i hate you. i searched for every keyword i could think of

03 01:01:00 Blazeix I googled --xkcd "half an hour into pointer scripting"--

03 01:01:00 Blazeix i just happened to remember that phrase

03 01:01:00 Morasique oh. how the heck did you remember that

03 01:01:00 Morasique you suck

03 02:32:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features

03 02:32:00 Morasique the reddit programming article has endless puns, the all-time best being "if the data doesn't fit, you must sigquit"

03 13:00:00 tommost auchter: A message from the mechanical team. You should go to the meeting lest you be displeased with the way the computer is mounted.

03 14:42:00 tommost Is it just me or are all of the Ubuntu package directories on ftp.cs empty?

03 14:43:00 tommost Whoa, pidgin did something odd to that.

03 14:46:00 auchter i think it's just you

03 14:46:00 tommost It seems that I was looking in the wrong ubuntu directory hierarchy.

03 14:50:00 tommost I'm trying to find the gutsy package for xdmx, which seems to have been removed in hardy.

03 16:26:00 Morasique everytime i tile stuff i feel auchtery. it feels dirty

03 16:26:00 Morasique i imagine a compiz personification shaking its head as it watches me

03 16:36:00 auchter just get over it and use a real window manager

03 16:37:00 tommost Sometimes I tile: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/tiled.png

03 16:46:00 Morasique i demand that somebody reveal to me how to focus windows from the command line. if i could do that i could script everything ever

03 16:50:00 auchter it'd be trivial to modify dwm to do that

03 16:51:00 Morasique i know :'(. there has to be a way in compiz though

03 16:52:00 Morasique i'm reading the senior project descriptions, one of them wants a way to wake computers over the network

03 16:52:00 Morasique ....i should do this project

03 16:52:00 auchter take a look at the source, i'm sure it's easy to understand and modify~

03 16:52:00 auchter Morasique: uh, have they not heard of wake on lan before?

03 16:52:00 Morasique apparently not, but i should pretend to invent it

03 16:52:00 tommost I demand that someone reveal to me how to download gutsy packages from hardy!

03 16:53:00 Morasique tommost: you add the gutsy repo

03 16:53:00 tommost Where is that?

03 16:53:00 tommost I mean, I've been browsing the repository servers looking for the .deb file.

03 16:53:00 tommost And I can't find it.

03 16:53:00 Morasique deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main universe restricted multiverse

03 16:54:00 Morasique i think

03 16:54:00 auchter Morasique: actually, you might want to look into trying wmii... since it has a 9p backend, it can be mounted and scripted easily

03 16:55:00 Morasique i might look into other window managers, but i use a ton of compiz plugins that i'm used to

03 17:13:00 Morasique there should be a way to clone an X window, so you have two separate windows that both show the same contents

03 17:14:00 tommost I always figured that that's what the "clone" plugin is supposed to do.

03 17:14:00 tommost But I've never been able to figure out how to make it do that.

03 17:15:00 Morasique no, clone is for cloning whole viewports

03 17:16:00 tommost Oh.

03 17:16:00 tommost How is that useful? Multiple monitors?

03 17:17:00 Morasique yeah. i use it when i'm giving presentations, i do dual monitor and clone my primary display onto the projector

03 17:17:00 tommost That would explain why I've never been able to get it to do anything. Compiz hates multiple monitors on mylaptop.

03 17:18:00 Morasique do you have separate x displays or twinview?

03 17:19:00 tommost Neither, IIRC.

03 17:19:00 Morasique oh. i have no idea what that is :)

03 17:19:00 tommost Yeah, the ATI drivers hate me.

03 17:19:00 tommost And I reciprocate.

03 17:20:00 Morasique you should use nvidia instead

03 17:21:00 tommost Laptop: not an option.

03 17:21:00 tommost But I will have Nvidia cards in the computers that I'm using for multiple displays via Xdmx.

03 17:21:00 tommost Though I have no idea if that will work with Compiz.

03 17:21:00 tommost Perhaps via Chromium?

03 17:26:00 tommost What I'm not sure of with Xdmx is how to do it safely.

03 17:26:00 tommost i.e., not xhost +york (where york is my laptop).

03 17:27:00 tommost I may end up doing a VPN or something.

03 17:27:00 tommost Though the potential for lag there worries me.

03 17:45:00 tommost :'( Compiz can't be nested in Xdmx running under Compiz.

03 17:53:00 tommost :'( :'( Apparently it can't be run under Xdmx under Metacity, either.

03 17:54:00 auchter such a shame

03 17:54:00 tommost We'll see about it with Chromium soon enough.

03 17:56:00 andy753421 gee.. maybe if OpenGL compositing was built into X instead of hacked together on top of it it would work..

03 17:56:00 tommost Well, the error I get is "Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':1'."

03 17:57:00 tommost So I wonder if Compiz left some lock file open when I killed it and started Metacity.

03 17:57:00 tommost It's the same one that I got when I was running Compiz already.

03 17:58:00 tommost andy753421: You're welcome to write an X replacement at any time.

03 18:01:00 andy753421 tommost: I already did, it's called Rio, but nobody uses it..

03 18:03:00 tommost No offense, but Rio sucks.

03 18:04:00 tommost It either needs tiling or some other less-sucky way of managing windows.

03 18:04:00 tommost And does it solve the OpenGL issue anyway?

03 18:04:00 andy753421 I don't know, i don't care about OpenGL issues

03 18:05:00 andy753421 (this is really just me saying that 'worse is better')

03 18:05:00 tommost The way you manage windows in Rio is an example of "worst is worse," I think.

03 18:06:00 andy753421 the way you manage windows in rio has nothing to do with the argument i'm talking about

03 18:27:00 tommost_aorist Oddly enough, Metacity shows exactly the same error message as Compiz when running under Xdmx.

03 19:53:00 Morasique there's a coding horror post about whether it's necessary to have www. in your web site url or not, this is the first comment: I'm always amazed when not typing in "www." manages to break things; my university's public website somehow redirects to the SSL port and breaks if you don't type WWW, which I've pointed out, though I continue to be ignored.

03 20:10:00 tommost Mmm.

03 23:11:00 auchter so i committed a tabbed browser example to http://lug.phire.org/svn/auchtery in case anyone's interested

03 23:17:00 auchter note: memory leaks abound (particularly the tab close), but it works and is pretty easy to follow, and i'm tired of working on it

03 23:20:00 crr I'm assuming that's an example of using Webkit?

03 23:20:00 auchter crr: yup

03 23:21:00 Morasique it looks like it, i tried to compile it and got webkit demands, and decided i didn't care :)

03 23:21:00 crr I should probably see if there's a wxWidgets class to encapsulate a webkit panel

03 23:21:00 crr because wxwidgets is awesome

03 23:21:00 crr if not, writing one would be an interesting project

03 23:22:00 rr73 when does the first trimester start for us?

03 23:23:00 rr73 Augest September right?

03 23:24:00 auchter visual proof that it works: http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-04-032413_1920x1200_scrot.png

03 23:25:00 rr73 gawd damn ineed to get my score up

03 23:26:00 Morasique rr73: freshman orientation starts 29 aug. score?

03 23:26:00 rr73 score board

03 23:26:00 rr73 I get my laptop and stuff then?

03 23:27:00 rr73 i get Housing in a few weeks

03 23:27:00 Morasique monday

03 23:28:00 rr73 monday?

03 23:28:00 Morasique of orientation

03 23:28:00 rr73 ah

03 23:29:00 rr73 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!

03 23:29:00 auchter the first few days of rose are hell

03 23:29:00 auchter no laptop, no internet access, even if you bring a desktop

03 23:29:00 Morasique :D poor auchter, cut off from his laptop

03 23:29:00 rr73 what do you mean?

03 23:29:00 Morasique we played euchre pretty much continuously

03 23:30:00 auchter i've blanked out that internet-less time

03 23:30:00 rr73 uhm its called phone someone who is there already

03 23:30:00 Morasique ...huh?

03 23:31:00 rr73 or called bring your cellphone

03 23:31:00 auchter still not following.

03 23:31:00 rr73 Morasique~ I know people down there now

03 23:31:00 Morasique "down there" being rose?

03 23:31:00 rr73 is North

03 23:31:00 rr73 yes

03 23:31:00 Morasique and?

03 23:31:00 rr73 I can use their computer

03 23:32:00 auchter if they're even reasonably sane, they won't let you.

03 23:32:00 Morasique i suppose if they're willing to let you use their machine for 4 days

03 23:32:00 rr73 What do you think I did when Guy went to his meeting?

03 23:32:00 Morasique was that meeting 4 days long?

03 23:32:00 rr73 no

03 23:32:00 rr73 but then we had to burn daylight

03 23:33:00 rr73 wont be on it constantly

04 00:11:00 andy753421 auchter: you should implement split windows and buffers like in vim

04 00:12:00 auchter a list of features would be helpful

04 00:13:00 andy753421 what the hell auchter, why are you listing -I's manually?

04 00:13:00 auchter i'm not going to bother with that code any more, i was just doing it to learn gtk a bit

04 00:13:00 auchter i'll actually start in the summer sometime

04 00:13:00 auchter andy753421: ?

04 00:13:00 andy753421 pkg-config

04 00:14:00 auchter for glib?

04 00:15:00 andy753421 i fixed it fi you do an update

04 00:15:00 auchter yay, now it doesn't build for me

04 00:15:00 Morasique i think this comes back to my earlier policy that simple makefiles are obviously wrong

04 00:16:00 andy753421 hm...

04 00:16:00 auchter it comes back to my policy that my original mkfile was copied from the autoconfigured one from webkit

04 00:16:00 andy753421 what does pkg-config --libs --cflags give you?

04 00:16:00 auchter andy753421: it's my fault though

04 00:16:00 andy753421 er, `{pkg-config --libs --cflags webkit-1.0}

04 00:17:00 andy753421 they apparenly like changing the name (webkit-1.0) so maybe that's different for the current svn one

04 00:18:00 andy753421 that, or you might need to PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig

04 00:19:00 auchter yup, that was it

04 00:23:00 auchter another thing that i want is either right click or ctrl-right click to plumb either the selected text or the link being hovered over

04 00:38:00 Mishtal tommost: i dont know how i got ubuntu to act like it is, but your right, focus follows mouse does exactly what i want. not it doesnt change the forward window when i click unless i click on the top bar of it. it is fantastic

04 00:38:00 Mishtal gracias

04 00:44:00 tommost Great.

04 00:45:00 tommost In an unrelated note, has anyone else had trouble with video scaling under Hardy?

04 00:45:00 tommost For me it seems to use nearest-neighbor (blocky) scaling, which is both ugly and slow.

04 00:45:00 tommost This is only on my laptop (my desktop/server scales just fine).

04 01:05:00 Morasique apparently dbus is very important

04 01:05:00 Morasique as i discovered when i stopped it

04 01:13:00 auchter Morasique: i don't even have dbus installed, i seem to get along just fine

04 01:14:00 Morasique well, you also don't use gnome

04 01:15:00 tommost Yeah, virtually everything in Gnome seems to use D-bus.

04 01:15:00 Morasique apparently gnome panel depends on it, so that died, and the gnome network manager depends on gnome panel, so that died, and for some reason the network won't stay up without the gnome network manager, which makes absolutely no sense to me

04 01:15:00 auchter ah, that would be why then

04 01:15:00 Morasique something in policykit messed up my dbus configuration so now i get errors about too many connections randomly

04 01:15:00 auchter Morasique: that chain of dependencies is terrifying

04 01:16:00 Morasique policykit is pretty much the worse thing to ever happen to me

04 01:16:00 Morasique auchter: i thought you'd like that

04 01:16:00 Morasique gnome dependencies ftw

04 01:21:00 andy753421 gnome is starting to scare me, i used to like it because the gnome applications tended to be less dependent on each other..

04 01:22:00 Morasique i don't really know what applications are "gnome applications" and which aren't, i think most of them are just bundled with gnome

04 01:23:00 Morasique all the parts of gnome itself are really dependent on each other though

04 01:24:00 andy753421 Morasique: what are you referring to as 'gnome itself'?

04 01:24:00 Morasique things like gnome panel and the gnome applets like network manager

04 01:24:00 Morasique i think everything in the system menu is part of gnome too

04 09:53:00 kleinjt auchter: have you written specifications for the motor controller control yet?

04 10:15:00 kleinjt tommost: what time is the meeting? I did not see it in the email.

04 12:10:00 auchter kleinjt: https://project.rhitrobotics.org/mw/UGVProject:Motor_controller

04 12:16:00 auchter it would probably be best to implement it as an FSM

04 12:45:00 auchter this just made my day: http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/dwm.png

04 13:15:00 tommost auchter: Yeah, it looks much more usable than Rio.

04 14:05:00 tommost ROBOTICS!!!

04 14:05:00 Morasique yay!!!

04 14:06:00 Morasique apparently when java gets compiled to bytecode, there's no boolean type, it's just an int, 1 for true and 0 for false. that seems inefficient

04 14:09:00 tommost andy753421: ROBOTICS!!!

04 14:09:00 Morasique andy753421 seems to be very bad at remembering robotics meetings

04 14:09:00 Morasique or he hates you all

04 14:29:00 andy753421 Morasique: no, actually, i just suck at waking up

04 14:29:00 andy753421 especially on weekends

04 14:30:00 Morasique ah. well, that's understandable. fortunately my roommates get me up for lunch at 12:30 or i would probably sleep till monday

04 14:30:00 andy753421 yea.. my roommates generally have to wake me up for dinner on saturdays

04 16:05:00 Mishtal andy753421: do you know how to catch the "up" "down" button inputs from the consol? so like with xssh, if we press the "up" or "down" button, instead of going to the input stream, the program recieves it and we can do something else with it?

04 16:06:00 andy753421 Mishtal: i haven't done that myself, but you might try looking at fgetc and/or reading for the terminal ($TTY)

04 16:08:00 auchter andy753421: for maximum bloat, you could use readline(3)

04 16:08:00 auchter er Mishtal

04 16:08:00 Mishtal thank you auchter

04 16:08:00 Mishtal andy what is ($tty)

04 16:08:00 andy753421 actually, they don't want you to use readline (i was going to put that in the assignment as a suggestions) but apparently it's 'not a standard library'

04 16:09:00 andy753421 Mishtal: its a variable containing the path to the device file associated with your terminal

04 16:09:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, it's not like anyone uses bash

04 16:09:00 Mishtal well, the reason that my group wants to be able to grab the up and down arrow keys is to go to previous commands, like a normal terminal

04 16:10:00 andy753421 auchter: actually, bash has readline builtin i believe, but either way, they still don't have header files

04 16:10:00 andy753421 Mishtal: "like a normal /shell/" the terminal doesn't do that

04 16:11:00 Mishtal oh, sorry, thanks

04 16:30:00 tommost Blazeix: How late are you going to be?

04 16:50:00 Morasique tommost: he just got back, he's on his way

04 16:50:00 tommost Okay.

04 18:18:00 Mishtal andy753421:

04 18:18:00 Mishtal with variable substitution, what is the expected behavior of undefined variables

04 18:21:00 andy753421 like a real shell (empty string)

04 18:22:00 andy753421 hm..

04 18:23:00 andy753421 well, maybe not.. let me think

04 18:24:00 andy753421 the docs say that the value is 'undefined' so i guess it doesn't matter

04 18:24:00 andy753421 you can make it whatever you like

04 18:25:00 tommost uint32_t corresponds to "l" (ell) in a printf(), right?

04 18:26:00 andy753421 Since xssh breaks up whitespace differently and doesn't have quotes, it causes some problems when using empty strings as args..

04 18:27:00 andy753421 tommost: that's a long, you should porbably use '%u'

04 18:27:00 tommost Ah, thanks.

04 18:28:00 andy753421 (actually, l is a length modifier) you can also use %x if you want it in hex

04 18:28:00 tommost Better. I was using %lx.

04 19:37:00 tommost I e-mailed Archana—she says that we don't have to validate the Ethernet checksums.

04 19:37:00 tommost (Blazeix)

04 19:38:00 Blazeix tommost: good

04 19:38:00 Blazeix Seems like she probably should have mentioned that.

04 20:14:00 Mishtal andy753421:

04 20:14:00 Mishtal is the plc server down?

04 20:21:00 Mishtal does anyone in here have access to the csse server room? the plc.cs.rose server crashed and none of the plc TA's really have access aside from andy

04 20:22:00 Morasique did you try going up there? mcleish is there all the time

04 20:22:00 andy753421 Mishtal: why do you assume I have access?

04 20:22:00 Mishtal im off campus

04 20:22:00 Mishtal because ive heard you talk about going into the room before

04 20:22:00 Mishtal therefore my assumption was that you had access to the room

04 20:22:00 Mishtal however, i can be wrong

04 20:22:00 andy753421 nope, that was when it was open or when I was with someone else

04 20:23:00 Mishtal oh

04 20:23:00 andy753421 i don't think any of the students have keys to that room

04 20:23:00 Mishtal i think that you are thinking correctly.

04 20:23:00 Mishtal then, i guess that i am going to have to wait for the server to kill the process by itself

04 20:23:00 bolandmg I certainly hope there's a CPU time quota less than three months

04 20:24:00 andy753421 Mishtal: were you the one who crashed it?

04 20:24:00 Mishtal no

04 20:24:00 Mishtal i wasnt

04 20:24:00 Mishtal but it is still not working

04 20:24:00 andy753421 Mishtal: alright

04 20:24:00 Mishtal andy753421: thanks

04 20:24:00 bolandmg I'll take the blame - I kind of didn't notice an infinite loop in my PLC code under certain conditions and so it's probably got a runaway process

04 20:25:00 Morasique i would think there's a check for that

04 20:25:00 bolandmg I would too

04 20:25:00 andy753421 bolandmg: actually, that should be killed, (assuming the guy who set up the assignment didn't set the maxtime to blank)

04 20:25:00 bolandmg but I never got a results screen for that upload and now the server is insanely slow to respond

04 20:26:00 Morasique can't somebody just ssh in to kill it?

04 20:26:00 andy753421 Morasique: i'm trying, but that's going slow, actually everything on that machine goes slow because it's running on a VM

04 20:27:00 Morasique awesome

04 20:28:00 andy753421 linux needs a network interface for magic sysrq keys

04 20:54:00 andy753421 does anyone know how to tell google to stop trying to be smart and just to a search for exactly all the words i type in?

04 20:55:00 Morasique quotes?

04 20:55:00 Mishtal use quotes

04 20:55:00 bolandmg but with quotes it still searches variants of your words, doesn't it?

04 20:55:00 bolandmg paste tenses, gerunds, et cetera

04 20:56:00 andy753421 maybe, seems to be better than without quotes tough, is there a page anywhere that tells you all this stuff?

04 20:56:00 Morasique there is, i have no idea where

04 20:57:00 Morasique this looks like it might be it: http://www.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=searchguides.html&ctx=basics&hl=en

04 21:06:00 bolandmg andy753421: any luck with the server?

04 21:24:00 andy753421 bolandmg: i e-mailed mcleish, other than that, no

04 21:24:00 Morasique not to worry, mcleish has been e-mailed. the problem is as good as solved

04 21:43:00 Mishtal ah, so the problem is as good as solved in 2014 and the world disappears until then or something?

04 21:44:00 kleinjt No, the world will be destroyed on July 5th, 1998

04 21:45:00 Mishtal oh, i forgot about that. darn

04 21:47:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure the world will end in twenty-eight days, six hours, forty-two minutes, twelve seconds

04 21:47:00 Morasique everyone knows this

04 21:48:00 kleinjt No, the end of the world will occur on July 5th, 1998, as Bob has predicted. Our calendar system is clearly flawed, for this date has not yet arrived.

04 21:48:00 kleinjt Unless our world was switched with another

04 21:54:00 auchter kleinjt: you forgot the halo, it's "Bob"

04 22:01:00 bolandmg Oh, good old "Bob".

04 22:01:00 kleinjt auchter: Thanks for the correction, may "Bob" justify your sins.

04 22:05:00 Morasique wow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Legal_matters

04 22:10:00 andy753421 I think wikipedia needs a list of dates that the world will end

04 22:11:00 Morasique i think it has a list somewhere of the predicted dates for the rapture

04 22:23:00 auchter Morasique: nice userpage on the lug wiki

04 22:23:00 Morasique i try

04 22:36:00 auchter highlighting corresponding parentheses would be a very useful feature in maple

04 22:36:00 tommost Yeah. The way it underlines them is really lame.

04 22:36:00 auchter oh, i didn't even know it did that. do you use java maple?

04 22:37:00 tommost To my shame and pain.

04 22:37:00 auchter ah; any reason you don't use classic mode?

04 22:37:00 tommost I think that the one time I tried it didn't work or something.

04 22:37:00 tommost I don't really care that much.

04 22:42:00 auchter i seem to recall someone last year (must have been andy753421 or octavious) talking about interfacing maple and vim...

04 22:44:00 andy753421 auchter: that was me..

04 22:49:00 kleinjt Is anyone aware of an easy way to get maple calculate command line arguments?

04 22:50:00 bolandmg So, I accidentally bought the class an extra 24 hours on this PLC assignment.

04 22:51:00 andy753421 kleinjt: maplearg() {echo "$@" \; | maple}

04 22:53:00 kleinjt andy753421: awesome, thanks

04 23:08:00 tommost Is there a good command-line app out there that does cp's job but provides feedback as to progress/speed of the operation for large transfers?

04 23:08:00 Morasique pv can show a progress bar

04 23:10:00 auchter for large transfers i would use rsync

04 23:11:00 tommost On a related note, what's the best way to set up automated backups?

04 23:12:00 tommost I've used unison under Windows.

04 23:12:00 auchter i suppose cron + rsync would work

04 23:13:00 andy753421 i use cron + rsync + shell scripts

04 23:14:00 tommost Anyone happen to know how to backup PostgreSQL?

04 23:14:00 andy753421 is there a postgresql equivalent to mysqdump?

04 23:14:00 tommost Probably.

04 23:15:00 andy753421 list the contents of the postgresql package and grep for '/bin/'

04 23:15:00 andy753421 or dump..

04 23:15:00 tommost It's called pg_dump.

04 23:18:00 andy753421 interesting.. http://joomla.cs.rose-hulman.edu/

04 23:18:00 tommost Actually, pg_dumpall would be better.

04 23:18:00 Morasique andy753421: isn't that the failed attempt to switch to joomla?

04 23:19:00 andy753421 maybe? it looks like it was updated recently though

04 23:19:00 andy753421 looks pretty failurific though

04 23:19:00 tommost Indeed.

04 23:19:00 Morasique someone was just talking about how the cs department tried to switch to joomla and failed spectacularly, i thought it was you at the lug meeting

04 23:19:00 andy753421 yea, that was me, that was at the beginning of the year though, maybe there's a renewed effort to fail slightly less?

04 23:21:00 auchter http://joomla.cs.rose-hulman.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=30

04 23:21:00 auchter notice sriram's picture...

04 23:21:00 tommost Indeed.

04 23:21:00 tommost (Apparently all I do is agree.)

04 23:22:00 andy753421 http://support.cs.rose-hulman.edu/index.html

04 23:23:00 andy753421 (apparently domain transfers of cs.rose still work as long as you reset your DNS server to the CSSE Depts DNS server)

04 23:23:00 Morasique :D

04 23:23:00 tommost "Written in object-oriented Perl, RT is a high-level, portable, platform independent system that eases collaboration within organizations and makes it easy for them to take care of their customers."

04 23:23:00 auchter what's the ip of their dns server?

04 23:24:00 andy753421 137.112.40.11 (its set for the public servers)

04 23:26:00 auchter i wish i still had the output of the zone transfer on rose-hulman.edu from last year

04 23:27:00 tommost What are you guys talking about?

04 23:27:00 Morasique what's the axfr command on linux? i can't figure it out

04 23:27:00 auchter dig @137.112.40.11 cs.rose-hulman.edu axfr

04 23:27:00 andy753421 or host -al

04 23:27:00 Morasique ah. neat

04 23:28:00 auchter notice the phantom-(ubuntu|fedora)

04 23:28:00 andy753421 auchter: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/transfers/

04 23:28:00 Morasique tommost: if you run a zone transfer on a domain you can get all the dns records for it

04 23:28:00 auchter ah, excellent

04 23:29:00 andy753421 (emphasis on the 'temp'..)

04 23:29:00 auchter i've grabbed them all

04 23:32:00 auchter heh, i never knew that gentoo.cs went to ftp.cs

04 23:40:00 Morasique they misspelled moench's name on the department history page. you wouldn't think that would be hard to spell

04 23:42:00 Morasique "The pictures you see in the background of this page"

04 23:42:00 Morasique ...there is no background

05 00:10:00 Morasique kleinjt's user page: "I'm planning to finish off markbot (rewriting into Python from Java) and stick it on the NGW100, so it can be around all the time on the LUG IRC channel. That is a good thing? Yes. It really is."

05 00:10:00 Morasique it occurs to me that markbot won't be an op anymore. the reign of terror ends

05 00:14:00 auchter Morasique: that is perhaps the largest conky conifguration i've seen

05 00:14:00 Morasique also the most magnificent

05 00:18:00 auchter Morasique: good to use compiz using 11% of your cpu

05 00:19:00 Morasique when i first took that screenshot i saw that and seriously thought to myself, "auchter is going to make fun of this at some point". i even considered doctoring it, but then i realized 11% is actually pretty low for compiz, it's been known to get to 50% when i'm not even doing anything

05 00:21:00 Morasique firefox is using 20% of my memory too, for no reason. evil firefox

05 00:43:00 auchter i have no idea why i'm finding this so entertaining: http://www.spinroot.com/pico/pjw.html

05 01:06:00 tommost auchter: I wish that you'd posted that a couple of days earlier.

05 01:06:00 tommost There was fresh cement available on campus.

05 01:08:00 auchter going to put pjw's picture in the cement?

05 01:09:00 tommost I was looking at it and thinking, "I need something clever-yet-obscure to put here."

05 01:24:00 andy753421 hm.. i wonder if we called it a 'Educational Research Project' if they would let us fix the CSSE network

05 01:24:00 Blazeix Someone should make it their senior project.

05 01:25:00 Blazeix They can replace Angel with Moodle while they're at it.

05 01:25:00 andy753421 aren't senior project projects already due?

05 01:25:00 Morasique the proposals were due, we haven't picked projects yet, i vote we make it a write-in project

05 01:25:00 Morasique everyone put down project 46: fix the csse network

05 01:27:00 andy753421 (i'm being completely serious here..) I might go talk to Dr. Mellor about it tomorrow

05 01:27:00 andy753421 i wouldn't want it to be a senior project though, there'd be to much crufty requirements associated with that

05 01:28:00 Morasique yeah, i doubt they'd let you do that for senior project anyway. he might let you as a different project though

05 01:29:00 Blazeix I wonder who is behind the Joomla site.

05 01:31:00 andy753421 haha, click the register link and look at the bottom "designed by SiteGround web hosting"

05 01:31:00 auchter how safe of an assumption is it that the angel server is synced to the same clock as addiator?

05 01:31:00 andy753421 I'd guess that they'd both probably synced the rose-hulman time server

05 01:33:00 andy753421 auchter: why?

05 01:34:00 auchter i've got to register for a presentation time-slot for crypto, and the page becomes active at 10AM monday

05 01:34:00 auchter i just want to make sure i'm the first one on there

05 01:34:00 Blazeix auchter: Its a good thing you just said that, or else I would have forgotten to register for classes tomorrow

05 01:34:00 Blazeix err. today. Monday

05 01:35:00 Morasique it looks like they're close at least, estimating from the banner token timeout

05 01:36:00 auchter yeah, i wish they would move the signup forward around 4 hours to allow people to wake up at a sane time and register

05 01:36:00 auchter this 8:00 stuff needs to stop

05 01:36:00 Morasique yeah, i'm not sure why they do that

05 01:37:00 Blazeix yeah, I'm at 7:00 AM

05 01:37:00 Blazeix I should probably go to bed now.

05 01:37:00 andy753421 auchter: i think that generally forward means earlier..

05 01:37:00 Morasique blazeix: or just stay up

05 01:37:00 auchter er, back then

05 01:38:00 Morasique we should just say "good direction" and "bad direction", everyone knows which is which

05 01:38:00 Morasique registration should be moved 4 hours in the good direction

05 01:39:00 octavious i actually went to my advisor early this time

05 01:40:00 octavious seems like every time i miss my registration window because i am lazy and dont talk to my advisor

05 01:40:00 Morasique my advisor always forgets, i e-mailed him this time

05 01:40:00 auchter i usually have a hard time finding my advisor

05 01:40:00 auchter i have a feeling he hides from us

05 01:41:00 octavious auchter: who is your advisor

05 01:42:00 auchter octavious: yoder

05 11:27:00 andy753421 why do all the ECE courses have MA222 as a prereq?

05 11:31:00 auchter laplace transforms, for example

05 11:31:00 andy753421 hm.. "History of Mathematics" that sounds nice an easy, and umathy

05 11:31:00 andy753421 *unmathy

05 11:33:00 Morasique do you need a math elective? just find a cs class that's cross listed

05 11:34:00 andy753421 Morasique: i already did that

05 11:34:00 Morasique oh. again?

05 11:34:00 andy753421 yea.. i need a couple of them, i took theory of comp as math

05 11:35:00 auchter i'm really enjoying cryptography... that will be taught by csse dept. next year and be crosslisted

05 11:37:00 andy753421 i might end up doing that, i would have liked to get it out of the way this quarter though

05 11:38:00 andy753421 although Wollowski's class on logic sounds interesting, and fits into my schedule better

05 11:38:00 Morasique i'm thoroughly looking forward to cryptography, the only reason i waited was to take it in the department

05 11:39:00 auchter looking at last years crypto page, it seemed like their class was more heavily structured

05 11:39:00 auchter as in, problems for homework were mandatory, etc.

05 11:39:00 auchter the system that holden has in place is rather nice

05 11:40:00 Morasique your homework wasn't mandatory?

05 11:40:00 auchter well, it was in a way

05 11:40:00 auchter the homework was split into math and cs problems, and there was a point value assigned for each problem

05 11:40:00 auchter on each assignment, we had to do a minimum of 4 math points and 4 cs points

05 11:40:00 Morasique ah

05 11:40:00 auchter to get an A on homework, we had to do 16 points total per assignment

05 11:41:00 auchter but this way you can chose interesting problems, which is kind of nice

05 11:46:00 andy753421 So apparently, the cs dept is dead set on using joomla :(

05 11:46:00 Morasique who did you talk to?

05 11:46:00 andy753421 I think i will continue my forked version

05 11:47:00 andy753421 darryl who talked to mcleish

05 11:47:00 Morasique no explanation why?

05 11:48:00 andy753421 they think it will be easier to support, or they understand it better, or something

05 11:48:00 andy753421 i think it's mostly that they mcleish made a decision and doesn't want to consider any alternatives

05 11:50:00 Morasique not exactly unprecedented of him

05 11:50:00 auchter they still haven't given a reasonable explanation about deleting ubuntu off those machines, so i wouldn't hold out for a reasonable explanation of this

05 11:51:00 Morasique auchter: they like to keep us on our toes

05 12:47:00 Morasique i'm trying to play sonic the hedgehog in steve's class, but i feel guilty

05 12:48:00 Morasique i'm not listening or anything crazy, but playing games still seems wrong

05 12:48:00 Mishta1 if your not going to play games, what other excuse do you have for attending class?

05 12:49:00 Blazeix I considered trying out some urban terror mods I found.

05 12:50:00 Blazeix But he might notice, or one of the many people behind me.

05 12:50:00 Morasique i don't care about the people behind me, and steve wouldn't notice if i unplugged his machine and played urban terror on the projector while he was talking

05 12:56:00 Blazeix Hmm. Chenoweth just mentioned 'The Gimp'. Maybe he isn't as hopeless as he seems.

05 12:56:00 Morasique he probably wasn't talking about the image editor

05 13:19:00 Blazeix Does anyone know what chenoweth was talking about when he said "sourceforge is where open source goes to die"?

05 13:20:00 Morasique it was a guest speaker in 376, he sits in on my class

05 13:20:00 Blazeix oh

05 13:20:00 Morasique i think he forgot that it was a different class

05 13:21:00 Morasique Blazeix: OMG, submit that wacky prof quote right now

05 13:23:00 Blazeix He's hilarious!

05 13:23:00 Blazeix He got all of our hopes up.

05 13:24:00 Morasique eliza's grasp of her project concerns me

05 13:24:00 Morasique i knew that they used mantis, and she didn't

05 13:24:00 Blazeix She just destroyed his example though

05 13:24:00 Blazeix so that's worth something

05 13:24:00 Morasique true. maybe it was intentional

05 13:25:00 Blazeix I'm also fairly certain that bugzilla and subversion integrate well

05 13:25:00 Morasique he has no idea what he's talking about, he knows the words, and probably guesses that bugzilla is a bug tracker

05 13:26:00 Blazeix Isaac told him

05 13:26:00 Morasique i'll have to hit him later

05 13:26:00 Blazeix When isaac said "bugzilla" chenoweth started writing 'g.. o..."

05 13:26:00 Blazeix isaac should have let him write godzilla on the board.

05 13:29:00 Morasique crr: epic fail

05 13:29:00 Blazeix I think he's paying attention just as much as we are.

05 13:39:00 andy753421 bolandmg: can you send me a copy of the code that you think crashed the PLC server?

05 13:41:00 Blazeix So, BBC is running an article about the US primaries, and they show this picture of hillary clinton:

05 13:41:00 Blazeix http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44627000/jpg/_44627801_clinton_afp226b.jpg

05 13:41:00 Blazeix I believe this incontrovertible proof that clinton eats babies.

05 13:41:00 Blazeix *this is*

05 14:35:00 auchter damn cpes in this room messing up my schedule by filling up ece342...

05 14:37:00 Blazeix So, I'm thinking I'm going to change my presentation topic from Mezzo to 'alternative GUIs' in general.

05 14:38:00 Blazeix There isn't a lot of material for just Mezzo.

05 14:38:00 auchter what was mezzo again?

05 14:38:00 Blazeix symphonyOS's custom desktop environment

05 14:38:00 Blazeix but there most recent release is alpha quality at best.

05 14:41:00 Blazeix I'll probably talk about gOS, openGEU (enlightenment), and dream linux.

05 14:41:00 Blazeix Maybe the alpha release of KDE4.1, if I can get everything working.

05 14:53:00 tommost Yeah, do that. I'm curious about KDE, i.e., why on Earth it has a right to exist.

05 14:53:00 Morasique i'm told it's much more flexible than gnome

05 14:54:00 Blazeix I wasn't really impressed by KDE4, but I don't think it was recommended for widespread use.

05 14:54:00 tommost Yeah, but then I try it and find out that "flexible" apparently means "fucked up."

05 14:54:00 tommost Granted, that was 3.x.

05 14:54:00 tommost Which is more popular?

05 14:54:00 Blazeix I guess an alpha release of 4.1 isn't recommended either, but its worth a shot.

05 14:55:00 Blazeix tommost: between 4 and 3?

05 14:55:00 tommost Between Gnome and KDE.

05 14:55:00 Morasique i think kde is more popular among the 1337 h4x0r5, but i'm not sure. gnome being the default in ubuntu probably helped it out some

05 14:55:00 Morasique i recall linus saying once that gnome should just die and everyone should use kde, he can't stand gnome

05 14:55:00 auchter gnome has a habit of dumbing things down

05 14:55:00 auchter and omitting useful options

05 14:55:00 Blazeix Its a huge pain to edit menus in Gnome

05 14:55:00 tommost My experience with KDE suggests the opposite.

05 14:56:00 Morasique Blazeix: system -> preferences -> main menu?

05 14:56:00 Blazeix I don't think you can even edit some of the menus in gnome

05 14:56:00 tommost But yeah, Gnome is sometimes irritatingly restricted.

05 14:56:00 Blazeix Morasique: can you edit anything other than the application menu?

05 14:56:00 Blazeix or the right click context menu?

05 14:56:00 Morasique yeah, you can edit the system menu too

05 14:56:00 Morasique oh, no

05 14:56:00 Blazeix last time I tried, i couldn't

05 14:56:00 Morasique it's just for the gnome menu

05 14:56:00 tommost Blazeix: Why would you want to?

05 14:57:00 Blazeix I like fluxbox's version of apps in the right click menu.

05 14:57:00 Blazeix xfce has an option to emulate that too.

05 14:57:00 Morasique i don't use the menus at all, but i can see wanting to change the right click one

05 14:57:00 tommost On the desktop?

05 14:58:00 Morasique yeah

05 14:58:00 tommost Meh. I avoid menus whenever possible.

05 14:58:00 Blazeix apparently you can get KDE4.0 on the most recent version of kubuntu.

05 14:59:00 Blazeix I wonder if they did anything to it to make it better.

05 14:59:00 tommost I used a WM for Windows that did that for a long time. I just made shortcuts in a bar for every program that I actually used.

05 14:59:00 tommost FYI, don't install KDE 3.x on an regular Ubuntu system... it messes stuff up.

05 15:00:00 Blazeix I've never made it more than a week with any version of kde installed.

05 15:00:00 Morasique kde was the default on mandrake when i tried it ages ago, and it pretty much made me hate linux

05 15:01:00 tommost I had all 700 MB of it installed for several weeks because kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which doesn't unmark its requirements when you remove it.

05 15:01:00 tommost I still have crap on my system.

05 15:01:00 tommost DIE KONSOLE KDIE. KKKKKK!!!

05 15:02:00 Morasique metapackages never do, they really should

05 15:02:00 tommost I wouldn't say that they automatically should, but there should be a way to do so that's easy enough to find.

05 15:03:00 tommost apt-get should ask you when you uninstall the metapackage.

05 15:03:00 Morasique i would think they automatically should, why would you remove a metapackage unless you wanted to remove the packages it points to, there's no other reason

05 15:03:00 tommost But metapackages can get automatically uninstalled.

05 15:04:00 tommost When you remove one of their prereqs or something.

05 15:04:00 tommost I think that I technically don't have ubuntu-desktop installed because I removed something useless.

05 15:11:00 tommost auchter: When are you holding that electronics meeting tonight?

05 15:12:00 auchter i don't think i'll be able to have one tonight

05 15:13:00 auchter we'll just meet after the general meeting tomorrow

05 15:13:00 tommost Okay. I'll tell Brian that.

05 15:13:00 auchter if jon/brian want to meet tonight and work on stuff, i'm obviously fine with that

05 15:13:00 auchter there's a list on the whiteboard of things to do

05 15:13:00 tommost Okay.

05 15:13:00 tommost I'll ask kleinjt when he shows up.

05 15:17:00 auchter argh, the emails

05 15:17:00 tommost Indeed.

05 15:19:00 Mishtal does anyone happen to have a premade list of all-campus spammers that i can import into my spam list easily?

05 15:19:00 tommost The LUG should offer that as a service.

05 15:20:00 tommost Offer a plugin for Thunderbird that communicates with the LUG server to provide spam identification services.

05 15:21:00 tommost It should be easy, since the spammers aren't disguising there e-mails—we can just use their unique IDs to pick them out.

05 19:58:00 bolandmg Blazeix: this is about 5 hours late, but you definitely won't be able to use KDE4 on a regular basis until the final 4.1 release, because everything in the 4.0 series if more of a preview to get people interested. It's nigh unusable.

05 20:24:00 Morasique bolandmg: not to worry, kde users are used to nigh unusable

05 20:47:00 bolandmg Morasique: Oh snap!

05 20:59:00 Blazeix bolandmg: Thanks, I think I'm actually going to look at kdemod 4. It seems like it might be more polished.

05 21:02:00 Morasique Blazeix: i sent out an e-mail about choosing slides, since it looks like we can't meet today

05 21:06:00 Morasique wow. i don't know what mac font sriram used for the senior project form, but it looks terrible on my machine

05 21:14:00 Blazeix Morasique: I chose my slides. That's a neat program. Does it take odp presentations or did you have to get the images manually?

05 21:15:00 Morasique no, it doesn't do anything fancy, i just wrote it now for this purpose. i used imagemagick to extract them, it can do pdf -> one png/page

05 21:49:00 auchter i really need to start paying attention to what i'm doing

05 21:50:00 auchter i found a container of ice cream in the refrigerator

05 21:56:00 Blazeix Morasique: the pdf sriram sent displays fine for me. I've had that problem when the msttcorefonts (or whatever they're called) were not installed.

05 21:56:00 Morasique i think they are installed. maybe i just don't like his font

05 21:56:00 kleinjt auchter: If you let it get too warm and it gets really runny, try pouring it into an ice cube mold and sticking it in the freezer with Popsicle sticks sticking out.

05 21:59:00 auchter i just put it back in the freezer; i think i'll just relegate it to floats

05 22:15:00 andy753421 auchter: you should upload your presentation stuff on plumbing, and send me a link to that thing that lets you right click things in urxvt

05 22:52:00 auchter andy753421: http://sqweek.dnsdojo.org/wmii/plumb.txt

05 22:52:00 auchter i'll upload my plumbing config later, i need to study yet

06 00:21:00 Morasique Blazeix: you've been working on networking for approximately 8 hours. i just thought you'd want to know that

06 00:22:00 Blazeix Morasique: Thanks. The deadline was 12:00.

06 00:23:00 Morasique oh. i feel bad breaking this to you guys, but....we're past that. you should probably stop

06 00:23:00 auchter i like seeing the past tense and the word "deadline" used in the same sentence

06 00:23:00 tommost You're all terrible meanies.

06 00:23:00 Morasique and yet they haven't stopped working

06 00:24:00 Morasique i've had some harsh words hurled at me, but "terrible meany" may be new

06 00:24:00 auchter i usually hope that the grader just doesn't check the time the final commit was made

06 00:24:00 auchter this has usually worked out fine for me.

06 00:24:00 Morasique betting that the grader is lazy is almost always safe

06 00:26:00 Mishtal ferrel is a grader for networks. you can bet safely that he is lazy

06 00:44:00 auchter ferrel doesn't grade the programming portions, so you're probably at archana's mercy

06 00:52:00 Mishtal :-D

06 00:52:00 Mishtal poor you

06 01:11:00 auchter curses bode plots

06 01:11:00 tommost curses C

06 01:12:00 Morasique curses java bytecode

06 01:12:00 Blazeix curses computer networks.

06 01:13:00 Morasique curses his roommate that went to sleep at 10

06 01:14:00 auchter is sad that he has to register at 8:30, and therefore be awake at 8:30

06 01:14:00 Morasique i vote for oversleeping, that's what i did

06 01:15:00 auchter i should probably figure out what classes i am taking

06 01:27:00 Morasique you could be brave and type in CRNs at random

06 01:42:00 auchter it's like registration russian roulette

06 01:58:00 Blazeix Happy Birthday Tom!

06 01:59:00 tommost Thanks!

06 02:24:00 andy753421 has anyone ever used bluetooth headphones with linux?

06 02:29:00 tommost http://hackety.org/2008/05/05/sneakingRubyThroughGoogleAppEngine.html

06 02:37:00 Morasique no more bytecode :'(

06 02:54:00 andy753421 hey, gcc 4.3 is out!

06 09:58:00 Morasique one of the article's in iait's newsletter starts "over the summer, iait will be making a series of upgrades to imrpove communications on campus". i let myself believe we were getting better internet. they actually meant they're rolling out some new microsoft office thing

06 10:25:00 jboticsource we need a bigger pipe

06 10:38:00 Morasique i continue to blame freshman. tommost: stop clogging our intertubes

06 10:39:00 tommost Morasique: All I do is web browsing!

06 10:42:00 Morasique lies. you look like a bittorrenter. i can feel it

06 10:43:00 Morasique bittorrenting is illegal you know. i read the thorn

06 10:43:00 tommost I admit it. I torrented the Harvey Danger album.

06 10:43:00 tommost And I seeded.

06 10:43:00 tommost For hours.

06 10:43:00 tommost I even tried to set up my server to seed.

06 10:44:00 tommost Oh, wow—it's still seeding.

06 10:44:00 Morasique gasps

06 10:44:00 tommost Screen is awesome.

06 10:44:00 Morasique it is

06 11:08:00 jboticsource does not matter who is to blame

06 11:08:00 jboticsource we need a bigger pipe

06 11:17:00 tommost jboticsource: Agreed.

06 11:17:00 jboticsource at a top notch engineering school, and paying 40k + for tuition, there is no excuse to have A HUGE PIPE

06 11:17:00 jboticsource i mean we need a god connection

06 11:18:00 Morasique open a support ticket

06 11:18:00 Morasique "we require 1 god connection please"

06 11:18:00 jboticsource lol

06 11:18:00 auchter i'm inclined to think that a polytheistic solution might be better

06 11:19:00 jboticsource hmmm

06 11:19:00 auchter well, for extra redundancy, you know

06 11:19:00 Morasique 1 gods connection?

06 11:19:00 jboticsource "we require 1 pantheon please"

06 11:19:00 Morasique or do we need a different connection for each god

06 11:19:00 Morasique somebody research this

06 11:19:00 Morasique lug presentation

06 11:19:00 jboticsource each god i think leads to different parts of the internetwebtubes

06 11:20:00 Morasique i bet there's one god for myspace and all the other gods make fun of him

06 11:20:00 jboticsource like Bacchus leads to all the porn sites

06 11:20:00 jboticsource ares lead to all the gaming sites

06 11:20:00 jboticsource etc

06 11:20:00 Morasique povilusr prays to both of those daily

06 11:21:00 jboticsource someone need to lead to the p2p nets

06 12:57:00 Blazeix my god. I'm getting dumber listening to steve's lecture

06 12:58:00 Morasique i hadn't heard a word until "when did wild poodles roam the earth?" i cannot imagine what i could've missed that would make that not insane

06 12:58:00 Blazeix If he mentions poodles one more time I'm going to shoot myself.

06 12:58:00 Blazeix He let us in on the insight that poodles never actually roamed the earth. They were wolves.

06 12:59:00 Blazeix thank goodness he let us know that.

06 13:07:00 Morasique steve is training us how to spot the important people in a picture

06 13:08:00 Morasique they're the ones wearing suits, if you all were wondering. absorb that knowledge

06 13:09:00 Mishtal wait wait wait, why do you need to recognize important people in a picture?

06 13:09:00 Morasique why indeed. why do i need to know when wild poodles roamed the earth? it's better not to ask

06 13:10:00 Morasique i think crr is asleep

06 13:10:00 Blazeix I think the poodle thing was supposed to be a metaphor for the software architectural process.

06 13:10:00 Blazeix It probably one makes sense in steve's mind.

06 13:11:00 Morasique i missed what just happened, but he was looking around for about 10 seconds with both thumbs up, i almost gave him a thumbs up back, i have no idea what he wanted

06 13:11:00 Blazeix *ban*

06 13:11:00 Blazeix d'oh. *bang*

06 13:13:00 Blazeix alright. I'm back from the dead. I feel like i should actively stop Steve from editing that html file in MS Word.

06 13:16:00 Morasique yeah, he could write html manually

06 13:16:00 Morasique snickers at the thought

06 13:16:00 Morasique somebody wake crr up before his team goes

06 13:19:00 Morasique he has sung the little steve tune no less than 5 times today. i think it's a record

06 13:19:00 Morasique i should keep track

06 13:19:00 Morasique 6 times

06 13:21:00 TBoneULS and you complain when we make fun of embedded

06 16:22:00 tommost What key is Mod4?

06 16:22:00 kleinjt gah. I switched to zsh, and now I keep unintentionally trying tab completion on every other program. I think it is a net loss of time

06 16:23:00 octavious tommost: depends on how it is bound. on my keyboard it is my windows key

06 16:25:00 tommost I just spent twenty minutes trying to activate Awesome's keybindings under Xdmx so that I could exit and check my e-mail (or, heck, just launch a damn program).

06 16:25:00 tommost I'm guessing that they're getting caught by the host Xserver or something.

06 16:27:00 octavious tommost: havent heard af dmx until you mentioned it. seems pretty neat

06 16:27:00 octavious can you detach / reattach X backends?

06 16:56:00 tommost octavious: Yes.

06 16:58:00 tommost And as it turns out, the problem may have been that my Bluetooth keyboard just stopped working randomly.

06 16:59:00 tommost It's never done this before.

06 17:23:00 tommost_aorist Xdmx is soooo cool.

06 17:25:00 auchter hmm, xdmx runs on irix...

06 17:26:00 auchter tommost_aorist: what kind of latency/speed is there for remote displays

06 17:27:00 tommost_aorist I haven't noticed any significant, but then I haven't done anything where it should matter yet.

06 17:27:00 auchter you should try playing a video on another screen

06 17:27:00 tommost_aorist I'll try playing a video as soon as I finish configuring Xdmx.

06 17:28:00 tommost_aorist s/Xdmx/awesome/

06 17:28:00 auchter i tried awesome a while ago and didn't really like it

06 17:29:00 tommost_aorist I looks like it does multiple monitors well.

06 17:29:00 tommost_aorist Plus it does the tagging thing.

06 17:29:00 tommost_aorist It's like dwm + features.

06 17:29:00 auchter well yeah, it was based off of dwm initially

06 17:31:00 auchter time to boot up the octane and compile xdmx... good thing the air conditioning is running

06 17:31:00 tommost_aorist It should be easier for you... you can trust your network.

06 17:32:00 tommost_aorist I ssh in from the computer I have the extra monitor(s) on in order to get a secure X connection.

06 17:32:00 auchter you should know that trust isn't really in my vocabulary

06 17:32:00 tommost_aorist Well, you can firewall stuff off. So you can put the untrusted bit somewhere else.

06 17:35:00 auchter i'm terrified that this tarball is 40MB.

06 17:35:00 auchter luckily i'm downloading at 1200KB/s... i love not dealing with saturated tubes

06 17:36:00 andy753421 look into awesome

06 17:37:00 andy753421 they picked a stuipd name though, it makes it impossible to google for

06 17:48:00 Morasique is there a maximum value for oom_score?

06 18:08:00 kleinjt The ARA just got rick rolled.

06 18:08:00 tommost_aorist I'm sorry that I missed that.

06 18:08:00 auchter how did this happen?

06 18:09:00 tommost_aorist I was quite pleased to get a decent piece of cake for my birthday, though.

06 18:10:00 kleinjt WHMD was playing music for the special dinner event and I went up to request it. They said I needed 10 people. I went back to the table got everyone to come back with me.

06 18:11:00 kleinjt And, a few songs later, they played it.

06 18:31:00 andy753421 Blazeix: further proof? http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080506&t=2&i=4150220&w=192&r=2008-05-06T192140Z_01_N30550175_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0

06 18:37:00 bolandmg Man, I almost feel a little bit like I'm losing out only having Mohan for 371 and 372. Sure, there's maybe a slight chance I'll actually learn something, but Steve sounds entertaining.

06 19:00:00 octavious how does awesome compare to dwm

06 19:00:00 andy753421 octavious: seems more configurable, (or, maybe, just configurable)

06 19:03:00 bolandmg what about wmii?

06 19:04:00 andy753421 awesome seems a little more lightweight, and has a bit more of options/plugins but it's not quite as flexable

06 19:04:00 andy753421 although, that's only from about ~20 minutes play around with it, (i'm sticking with wmii for the time being)

06 19:07:00 auchter i used awesome on phantom.cs (since dwm and xinerama didn't get along too well at the time)

06 19:55:00 tommost_aorist ROBOTICS!!!

06 19:59:00 auchter you're all horrible at being here on time

06 20:22:00 Morasique if i were in robotics, i would own at being on time

06 20:22:00 Morasique sadly, i am not

06 20:30:00 rr72 have my id# for school

06 20:51:00 Morasique i had a "partial distribution upgrade" today, one of the upgrades was emacs. apparently by "upgrade" it meant "erase forever"

06 20:52:00 auchter Morasique: for emacs, that is an upgrade

06 20:53:00 Morasique i hate you

06 20:53:00 Blazeix I'm installing kdemod4, which is a special version of kde4 for arch linux.

06 20:53:00 Blazeix Total Installed Size: 837.78 MB

06 20:53:00 Blazeix I am worried.

06 20:53:00 auchter Blazeix: that's almost as large as emacs

06 20:53:00 auchter i would be too

06 20:54:00 Morasique emacs is like 2mb, no comparing emacs to kde

06 20:54:00 Blazeix I thought it was around 30mb

06 20:54:00 auchter 6.5M/usr/bin/emacs

06 20:55:00 auchter 1.4M/usr/bin/vim

06 20:55:00 Morasique the emacs22 package is 1.9mb, emacs22-common is 18mb, so it's around 20 for everything it looks like

06 20:55:00 Morasique wow, really? well with a 5mb penalty like that, i don't know how i can possibly resist switching any longer

06 20:55:00 Blazeix I must have been counting dependencies.

06 21:05:00 octavious auchter: for some reason I am having trouble with your mkfile for auchtery

06 21:06:00 octavious :\. it works when i build it w/o make

06 21:06:00 octavious and i have tweaked with it and still cannot get it to werk

06 21:06:00 octavious heh, work*

06 21:06:00 andy753421 octavious: it's not a makefile, are you using make or mk?

06 21:07:00 octavious make

06 21:07:00 andy753421 that would be the problem, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_(software)

06 21:07:00 octavious hmm. that would be the issue

06 21:08:00 andy753421 there's a port of mk in the plan9 overlay, you should be able to install it with something like 'layman -a plan9 && emerge mk'

06 21:09:00 octavious it seems to have nearly identical syntax

06 21:10:00 andy753421 simmilar, but mk is much nicer, for instance, you can use $VAR instead of having to use $(VAR) and shell processes are done with `{} instead of $(shell )

06 21:11:00 andy753421 auchtery doesn't use it, but the rule are much more powerful as well (you can match against regexs and such)

06 21:11:00 auchter right now that mkfile was more for quick testing

06 21:11:00 auchter it's braindead, and could be replaced by anything

06 21:40:00 bolandmg Ah, nothing like some Dethklok to go with a comp arch paper.

06 21:43:00 Morasique you kids and your black magic

06 21:44:00 bolandmg These kids, theys don't has any good metals these days!

06 22:03:00 bolandmg Oh that's fun, I'd never noticed what . does in vim before

06 22:24:00 Morasique does it delete huge blocks of text? usually when i hit the wrong button in vim lots of stuff gets deleted

06 22:25:00 rr72 can I do anything with student number online or do i need a user/pass? (kurbontus)

06 22:26:00 bolandmg Morasique: It redoes the most recent action, so if you recently deleted a lot of stuff, it would delete a lot more stuff. Nothing a quick press of u can't fix.

06 22:27:00 Morasique oh, that's neat

06 22:27:00 Morasique yeah, i mastered u, it's one of the few hotkeys i know in vim :)

06 22:27:00 rr72 i prefer jow or nano

06 22:27:00 rr72 *joe

06 22:29:00 andy753421 Morasique: have you mastered 3u U and undo trees? :P

06 22:29:00 andy753421 (i have to say, undo trees are amazing)

06 22:29:00 bolandmg haha I don't remember how to use undo trees because I need them so seldomly

06 22:29:00 rr72 i prefer money trees

06 22:30:00 bolandmg I dunno, in any other editor I think I'd be pretty lost without the way I do yank/paste and sed in vim

06 22:31:00 Morasique andy753421: no, when bad stuff happens i just hit u over and over until the badness goes away

06 22:31:00 Morasique i have no grasp of advanced techniques in either editor, i should really learn one of them

06 22:32:00 andy753421 ah, but what if you undo to many times, and then accidentally make a change and need to go back to the first branch :P

06 22:33:00 Morasique i feel sad, and retype stuff

06 22:47:00 bolandmg I don't know if this would appeal to anyone here, but holy crap this must have taken a bunch of effort: http://kotaku.com/387830/this-hands+free-super-mario-world-level-plays-sweet-sweet-music

06 22:54:00 Morasique the movie or the website, 'cause i think the website took about 45 seconds

06 22:55:00 bolandmg haha the video

06 22:58:00 Morasique apparently the atm in moench has a blue screen right now

06 22:58:00 tommost Like, Windows?

06 22:58:00 Morasique no, a linux blue screen

06 22:59:00 not_rr is there a citibank near there? or a 711?

06 22:59:00 not_rr (free ATMS)

06 22:59:00 Morasique i haven't seen either, my bank is near here so i just go there

06 23:00:00 bolandmg Being a native, I don't think we have any Citibanks or 711s.

06 23:00:00 not_rr ugh

06 23:00:00 not_rr hrm, there is a charge to use other ATMs

06 23:01:00 Blazeix yeah. I usually just suck it up and take the charge.

06 23:01:00 Morasique just get a bank account from a bank around here, there's a bank fair during orientation

06 23:01:00 Blazeix its only about a flat dollar charge

06 23:01:00 Morasique it's $1.50. i would suck it up too if i could remember my PIN

06 23:01:00 Blazeix I think you can also cash checks at the book store.

06 23:01:00 not_rr Morasique~ aw, poor baby. no cash?

06 23:02:00 Morasique .....

06 23:02:00 Morasique "<@Morasique> i haven't seen either, my bank is near here so i just go there"

06 23:02:00 not_rr then why suck i tup

06 23:03:00 Morasique because i'm lazy and don't want to drive off campus

06 23:20:00 Morasique http://137.112.138.172/atm.jpg

06 23:20:00 bolandmg they just lost the game

06 23:21:00 Morasique INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE is an interesting error, i wonder what's wrong with it

06 23:21:00 bolandmg It lost its shoes.

06 23:28:00 Mishtal question: i ran into an old system i was considering purchasing (can get it for like.. 20 bucks. would be useful to have as like a harddrive farm or something similar) but the system wont get past counting how much ram it has when the power is kicked in. f-10 (to enter setup) on the keyboard doesnt seem to do much. junker?

06 23:29:00 Morasique if it freezes on the ram check i would think the ram is bad, that's the point

06 23:29:00 Mishtal no, the ram check finishes

06 23:29:00 Mishtal nothing else happens

06 23:30:00 Morasique oh. did you try it with no devices plugged in?

06 23:30:00 Mishtal i may next time

06 23:30:00 Mishtal you mean no keyboard // no mouse?

06 23:30:00 Mishtal or no anything?

06 23:30:00 Morasique i'm more worried about stuff like hard drives and cd drives, but those too i guess

06 23:30:00 Mishtal good point

06 23:31:00 Mishtal maybe the harddrive is bad

06 23:31:00 Mishtal i know one of the cd drives is damaged

06 23:31:00 Mishtal ill check next time i get a chance

06 23:31:00 Mishtal good advice, thanks

06 23:32:00 auchter good thing it's not the atm in the union, that's the only one that works for me

06 23:53:00 tommost Who should I take disco with? Butske or Jajcayov?

06 23:53:00 Morasique i like butske, i had him for lin alg

06 23:53:00 Morasique i've never even heard of jajcayov

06 23:53:00 tommost Nor have I. Maybe a visiting professor?

06 23:53:00 andy753421 i'm currently working on a graph theory test from jajcayov.. and i now hate her

06 23:53:00 Morasique :D

06 23:54:00 andy753421 although, it's funny watching her write minimum on the board

06 23:55:00 tommost How is each of them for grading, homework, in-class ability, etc?

06 23:57:00 andy753421 I'd say J's about average, she lets us work in groups in class, and we can discuss the homework as long as we actually do our own

06 23:57:00 tommost Butske?

06 23:58:00 andy753421 i had him for calc, but i don't remember that far back, all i know is that all he wears is black t-shirts

06 23:58:00 tommost Morasique: any insight?

06 23:59:00 Morasique give me a couple minutes, i just remembered i forgot my compilers hw due at midnight

06 23:59:00 tommost NP.

07 00:02:00 octavious god. i just finished cryptonomicon

07 00:02:00 Morasique mmk. butske was pretty easy grading/homework wise as i recall. i liked him a lot in class, he's funny, the class was easy though so i don't know how good he is at teaching, he seemed good though

07 00:02:00 Morasique and yes, he does wear a black t-shirt and jeans everyday

07 00:02:00 tommost :D

07 00:03:00 octavious now to move on to bigger, better books...Atlas Shrugged is next on the reading list

07 00:03:00 tommost octavious: Friends don't let friends read Rand! I forbid it!

07 00:04:00 Morasique i started atlas shrugged, i found it incredibly boring, but i didn't get very far

07 00:04:00 Morasique i really need to read cryptonomicon

07 00:04:00 tommost Same here.

07 00:04:00 auchter octavious: finished cryptonomicon?

07 00:04:00 octavious 00:02 @ octavious >> god. i just finished cryptonomicon

07 00:05:00 octavious :)

07 00:05:00 bolandmg I should really read that

07 00:05:00 auchter ah, i missed that

07 00:05:00 bolandmg Or read books at all

07 00:05:00 auchter octavious: ending sucked, didn't it?

07 00:05:00 auchter or maybe i'm particular

07 00:05:00 Morasique plugs ears

07 00:06:00 octavious you know, some parts of the book were really enjoyable, but overall i am going to give it a preliminary mediocre...could change after i think about it for awhile

07 00:06:00 tommost glares at aucther

07 00:06:00 auchter indeed, the ending in particular didn't really seem to tie a lot of things up

07 00:07:00 auchter i was hoping for a sequel, but instead we got three pseudo-prequels

07 00:08:00 auchter i just finished reading Les Chants de Maldoror the other day, speaking of books

07 00:08:00 auchter absolutely excellent, if you like poetry, that is

07 00:11:00 octavious wish i had more time to read...

07 00:11:00 octavious i guess thats what the summer is for

07 00:12:00 tommost Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

07 00:17:00 kleinjt auchter: ATMEGA168-20PU-ND

07 00:17:00 Morasique is that a nuclear launch code?

07 00:18:00 Morasique because cool if it is

07 00:18:00 kleinjt If we don't have a 16MHz crystal, we'll need those too

07 00:18:00 tommost is disappointed

07 00:21:00 kleinjt It has a kilobyte of ram, so plenty of room for as many global variables as I want.

07 00:22:00 andy753421 wishes firefox ran in a KB of ram..

07 00:23:00 tommost wishes magical pixies danced between the plates of glass in his window

07 00:28:00 tommost Time to play with Xdmx some more...

07 00:28:00 bolandmg thinks that the 1kb of RAM Firefox would be tons more useful than pixies

07 00:33:00 window-pixie taps on the glass and looks cute

07 00:37:00 auchter so the best way i've found to extract images from pdf's is to convert to postscript using pdf2ps, then convert to pnm using pstopnm, then cut out relevant portions with gimp, and save as eps

07 00:37:00 auchter i use pstopnm with the --dpi=600 flag, pretty good looking results

07 00:37:00 tommost_aorist That is about a thousand times harder than it should be.

07 00:37:00 tommost_aorist This is a potential senior project.

07 00:37:00 tommost_aorist A PDF dissassembler.

07 00:37:00 Mishtal isnt there something that could just go straight from pdf to pnm?

07 00:37:00 Morasique you can just use imagemagick's convert

07 00:38:00 auchter i don't have imagemagick installe

07 00:38:00 auchter d

07 00:38:00 Morasique well, you should work on that

07 00:38:00 Morasique "compile from source" or whatever it is you gentoo people do

07 00:38:00 tommost_aorist convert works okay, but not when you don't want to recompress the images.

07 00:38:00 andy753421 auchter: man 1 pdfimages

07 00:39:00 andy753421 (it's part of poppler, which is gnomey, so you might not have it)

07 00:39:00 tommost_aorist andy753421: Where have you been the last several months?

07 00:39:00 auchter andy753421: have you skipped all the other conversations?

07 00:39:00 bolandmg haha I have it, let me see how it works for what we need it for

07 00:39:00 andy753421 auchter: apparently not, i gave up last month because too many people were talking to fast

07 00:39:00 auchter i have it as well

07 00:39:00 andy753421 er, apperntly, i have

07 00:40:00 tommost_aorist So do I.

07 00:40:00 andy753421 should continue doing his graph theory

07 00:41:00 Morasique wrong

07 00:42:00 bolandmg hey sweet, I got that labelled image of the Cell chip out of one of those PDFs

07 00:42:00 bolandmg of course it's upside down but that's easily fixable

07 00:42:00 bolandmg oh, upsside down and backwards haha

07 00:43:00 bolandmg oh boy, I haven't emerged the gimp yet apparently

07 00:43:00 bolandmg certainly there's something smaller I can use for flipping

07 00:43:00 Morasique i should copy paste "imagemagick can do it" and keep pasting it, i think it can do everything

07 00:44:00 tommost_aorist Of course. It's magic. Like pixies.

07 00:44:00 auchter it's the unix way: one tool for every job

07 00:44:00 Morasique precisely

07 00:44:00 andy753421 bolandmg: you can convert it to a xpm and then edit it in vim

07 00:45:00 andy753421 or write a simple c function to transform it

07 00:54:00 bolandmg hooray, convert -flip is my friend

07 00:58:00 Morasique claims victory

07 01:03:00 bolandmg I've had runins with imagemagick before but I've never integrated it into my console-fu technique

07 01:55:00 auchter ok, installing x11 on the plan9 server

07 01:55:00 andy753421 i feel slightly sad..

07 01:56:00 auchter i feel slightly awesome

07 01:56:00 Morasique you get used to that feeling after awhile

07 01:56:00 auchter sure, i hate X, but it is useful to have

07 01:57:00 Blazeix That pesky X

07 01:57:00 Blazeix ~

07 01:58:00 andy753421 so how many X programs actually compile for it?

07 01:58:00 andy753421 i don't suppose they've ported GTK..

07 01:59:00 auchter all that i've heard so far is twm, dwm, and xmessage

07 02:00:00 auchter http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/equis.jpg

07 02:00:00 auchter http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/dwm.png

07 02:00:00 auchter http://www.maht0x0r.net/Xglenda.gif

07 02:01:00 andy753421 I suppose the important thing is that you can tunnel X11 programs to it

07 02:01:00 andy753421 well.. not really tunnel

07 02:02:00 auchter especially with linuxemu

07 02:02:00 auchter which is what dillo in that screenshot is running under

07 02:05:00 andy753421 linuxemu?

07 02:06:00 auchter http://netlib.lucent.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu/README

07 12:19:00 jboticsource http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/worlds_tallest_1.php

07 12:20:00 jboticsource http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/worlds_tallest_1.php

07 12:35:00 Morasique cool. emacs can edit files over ssh. somebody should've revealed this to me a long time ago

07 13:18:00 tommost http://diveintomark.org/archives/2008/05/07/when-the-fall-is-all-thats-left

07 13:28:00 Mishtal i enjoy how the grader for OS seems to... fail... at grading. he sent me an email telling me that my project doesnt work for some stuff, and i can make the stuff work with absolutely no problem. i am so confused by him.

07 13:32:00 Blazeix Mishtal: when I took OS we had some odd problems like that too. they ended up being missing dependencies.

07 13:32:00 Blazeix We made use of the readline library, in particular.

07 13:33:00 Mishtal i have all of the files in the svn

07 13:33:00 Mishtal i can compile on my local machine and addiator

07 13:33:00 Mishtal *shrug*

07 13:37:00 Blazeix I have got to stop doing this.

07 13:37:00 Blazeix I'm running a VM with kde4, and I keep pressing ctrl-alt-backspace to restart x, thus restarting x on my host computer.

07 13:38:00 tommost Blazeix: Xdmx captures Ctrl-Alt-Backspace somehow.

07 13:38:00 tommost I don't understand how it does it.

07 13:39:00 Morasique you can disable that hotkey, it probably just does it automatically

07 13:40:00 Morasique i've considered doing it, somehow i have a bad habit of hitting it by mistake, which should really be impossible

07 13:40:00 tommost Morasique: I do the same thing sometimes.

07 13:40:00 Morasique i hold down ctrl+alt to switch viewports, and all the sudden i'm hitting backspace unable to stop myself

07 13:41:00 tommost Yeah.

07 14:06:00 Morasique :D there's a story on reddit about an air traffic control system that suddenly shut down for about three hours. apparently the shutdown is a feature designed to stop the system from getting too overloaded with data. what programmer wrote the line of code if(too_much_data) {completely_die();} in an air traffic control system and didn't think "wait. this could be bad"

07 14:07:00 auchter now that's my kind of "feature"

07 14:10:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/w88NOZ80.html

07 14:11:00 auchter speaking of which, should we have the constitution protected so it can't be edited now?

07 14:12:00 Morasique i think blazeix mentioned that awhile ago

07 14:12:00 Morasique andy is the only steward on the wiki though, he has to do it

07 14:12:00 auchter andy753421: the constituion should probably be protected

07 14:13:00 auchter it looks like it was protected at some point

07 14:14:00 Morasique it's semi-protected right now, i suppose that'll work

07 14:14:00 andy753421 Morasique: probably better to completely shut down than give delayed information that looks correct

07 14:15:00 auchter ah, i suppose i didn't see the lack of editability

07 14:16:00 andy753421 is jay doing that motion stuff?

07 14:16:00 Morasique andy753421: not if it leaves 300 planes in the sky with no information at all, that's crazy. if they can detect that the system is overloaded they can just warn users or something, change that line to if(too_much_data) {blink_warning_light();}

07 14:16:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, i'll ask him to

07 14:18:00 andy753421 Morasique: I didn't read the article, but maybe it was 'if (to_much_data) {if (blink_warning_light()==FAIL) {completely_die();}}'

07 14:19:00 andy753421 i'd say it's better to have a completely_die() /somewhere/ than delve off into undefined operation

07 14:20:00 Morasique i suppose that would work. the end of the article said they're switching the system to give some sort of warning when they're getting near the too much data limit, so i guess air traffic controllers are going to have to tell planes "uh....yeah, i might lose you in a second, but you can see the airport, right? just kinda land anywhere. got to go!"

07 14:23:00 andy753421 i always enjoy reading though source code and finding comments that say /* This should never happen */

07 14:31:00 Morasique i've written code like that before. then when i run the program and hit that block of code i'm not sure if i should be happy i had the supposedly unnecessary check in there or annoyed my program is obviously doing the impossible

07 14:32:00 andy753421 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/organizations/info/linuxusersclub.htm

07 14:42:00 andy753421 someone should tell them that we have a webpage

07 14:43:00 auchter i think baty's the one who originally sent that stuff to them

07 14:45:00 Morasique somebody should just e-mail them and have it redirect to lug.phire.org

07 14:45:00 Morasique baty sounds like a winner

07 14:46:00 andy753421 I just misread the "Table Tennis Club" links.. I think we should start a competitive Tetris club

07 14:46:00 Morasique heck yes we should

07 14:48:00 Morasique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqKOlcaZuI

07 14:50:00 Morasique double awesome, emacs has a function to take a buffer and convert it to html that's syntax highlighted

07 14:59:00 Morasique oh, i just saw the carey huber e-mail, i assume that's how the website thing came up. somebody should reply to that e-mail

07 15:06:00 auchter jboticsource: http://rafb.net/p/w88NOZ80.html

07 15:07:00 auchter jboticsource: you'll make the motion to approve, correct?

07 15:07:00 jboticsource yes i will

07 15:07:00 jboticsource i will bring u up as new buissness

07 15:08:00 jboticsource i will check to see the exact proper way to bring u up

07 15:08:00 auchter i don't think you need to

07 15:08:00 jboticsource but one way or another u will get to speak

07 15:08:00 auchter the way he worded it, it seems like they'll bring us up

07 15:08:00 jboticsource noted

07 15:08:00 auchter we just need a senator to make sure the motion is made

07 15:09:00 jboticsource i recieve the ageda

07 15:09:00 jboticsource so i can see what we r doing that day

07 15:09:00 jboticsource i will motion for you

07 15:09:00 TBoneULS i sent her our site and a description, i have no idea why she failed

07 15:14:00 jboticsource btw at the next thursday's lug meeting can someone repartition my ntfs volume of my lappy so i can have room for hardy herron please?

07 15:14:00 jboticsource i tried to repartition this comp and i fuxored winfail

07 15:14:00 jboticsource which i need for some software

07 15:15:00 jboticsource i would like to do on 80 20

07 15:15:00 jboticsource or 70 30 split

07 15:15:00 Blazeix jboticsource: if you bring all the required materials (something with GParted, maybe your windows CD) people might be willing to help you with it.

07 15:15:00 jboticsource in favor of winfail

07 15:15:00 jboticsource kool

07 15:16:00 jboticsource ty

07 15:18:00 jboticsource http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/worlds_tallest_1.php

07 15:19:00 auchter jboticsource: thanks, i didn't see that the previous two times you sent us

07 15:19:00 jboticsource your welcome

07 15:25:00 Morasique auchter: i don't think you understand the gravity of that story. that lego tower is _100 feet tall_. the old record was 96.1 feet. which is less

07 15:30:00 Morasique jboticsource: it takes a while to repartition, you probably want to do it overnight. we can show you how at the meeting though

07 16:11:00 Morasique the ubuntu repositories continue to suck. it just took 2 or 3 minutes to connect to the repo, and then 5 minutes to download the 1.2mb of files i needed

07 16:18:00 Morasique my boss just asked me if he could install something on one of our development servers. that's odd

07 16:26:00 auchter it's probably a trap

07 16:27:00 Morasique i considered pointing out that the server is more his than mine, but decided i rather like it this way

07 19:11:00 tommost andy753421: We need some new copy for the robotics team's entry.

07 19:30:00 tommost Is there a way that I can tell xmaple to use a less crappy widget set than the Swing default?

07 19:32:00 shadghost gives a cookie to all

07 19:42:00 auchter tommost: xmaple -cw

07 20:04:00 tommos1 So... important information for anyone interested in Xdmx:

07 20:04:00 tommos1 Don't try to play a video using VLC's OpenGL output module.

07 20:04:00 tommos1 It will crash Xdmx and the X servers on both machines involved.

07 20:05:00 tommos1 (This may have something to do with the fact that one computer has ATI and the other Intel graphics.)

07 21:41:00 ferrelaj Why would firefox randomly lose the ability to make noise? All my other applications work fine, but firefox seems to think it's muted... any ideas?

07 23:43:00 tommost auchter: That doesn't work for me.

07 23:47:00 auchter that's rather sad

08 00:57:00 tommost auchter: Are there any interestig XFS features that I should know about?

08 00:59:00 auchter tommost: i've never used XFS

08 00:59:00 auchter well, except on my octane

08 01:00:00 auchter but i don't really know of any awesome features or anything

08 01:00:00 tommost Oh, I thought that you'd commented on its awesomeness at some point.

08 01:01:00 auchter no, that'd be ZFS

08 01:01:00 tommost Well, I don't have anything formatted with ZFS, but what's great about it?

08 01:01:00 auchter simplicity, ease of use, excellent management tools

08 01:02:00 tommost How can filesystems compete on ease-of-use?

08 01:02:00 tommost What can be made easier?

08 01:03:00 auchter creating the volume initially, though i suppose that can all be rolled into excellent management tools

08 01:03:00 tommost What's there to manage?

08 01:04:00 auchter storage pools, compression options, snapshots, etc.

08 01:07:00 auchter additionally, the cell processor (in particular the SPEs) is awesome

08 01:07:00 tommost What does that have to do with ZFS?

08 01:08:00 auchter absolutely nothing. the "additionally" was intentionally added solely to confuse people

08 01:14:00 auchter but the fact that that c code would compile down to the code at the bottom is purely awesome, http://rafb.net/p/kke47E79.html

08 01:37:00 ferrelaj auchter: I agree that cell processors are awesome

08 10:52:00 jboticsource i hate labs especially physics 3 labs

08 11:01:00 Mishtal in memory management, is there a reason why a frame is the same size as a page, according to defoe?

08 11:04:00 auchter so that there's a one-to-one mapping of pages to frames?

08 11:10:00 Mishtal is it just me, or should we, as computer people just pick a name, and stick with it, if they are the same size?

08 11:11:00 auchter no, they refer to different things

08 11:22:00 bolandmg Photographs fit inside picture frames. Should cameras take picture frames?

08 12:30:00 Mishtal question: in C, what function would you recommend to change environment variables? google has failed me for once

08 12:35:00 octavious Mishtal: man 3 setenv

08 12:39:00 Mishtal octavious: thank you. thats what i need

08 14:33:00 auchter merkle walks into the lab: "Has anybody seen Chase? If you do, please tell him that we're taking an exam."

08 14:35:00 Morasique auchter: merkle was searching for a student?

08 14:35:00 auchter yeah

08 14:36:00 auchter more disturbingly, tom's in the lab using the mac.

08 14:36:00 Morasique what's that computer's name?

08 14:37:00 Morasique somebody needs to ssh in and have it start talking, i think it's the say command

08 14:37:00 auchter i'll nmap 137.112.104.*

08 14:38:00 Morasique there used to be a page on the cs site that listed the public machines, but i can't find it anymore

08 14:38:00 auchter he was trying to get xforwarding from his laptop to the mac working, so there's a chance he ran xhost + like i told him to

08 14:38:00 andy753421 they have *mac* in the hostname

08 14:39:00 andy753421 MAC-0[12].cs.rose-hulman.edu

08 14:39:00 auchter aww he logged off.

08 14:39:00 Morasique andy753421: are you sure?

08 14:40:00 Morasique there aren't any on the zone transfer list with mac in the name, and i can't resolve it

08 14:40:00 andy753421 search for uppercase

08 14:40:00 Morasique oh, i was searching the old list

08 14:40:00 Morasique back in the day before the macs. sigh

08 14:40:00 Blazeix Morasique: I can ping the name andy753421 supplied.

08 14:41:00 Morasique Blazeix: yeah, it works now, no ssh though :'(

08 14:44:00 Morasique the guy in front of me in class has been dragging the compiz desktop cube around the entire period, i think i'm starting to grasp why auchter is annoyed by compiz

08 14:44:00 andy753421 Morasique: backspace

08 14:44:00 andy753421 also, the macs seem to have ssh enabled, but my password and public key aren't working

08 14:45:00 auchter VNC is also open...

08 14:45:00 Morasique very tempting. and yeah, that's what i meant, i can get the ssh prompt but it's not set up for kerberos, i figured it would be since the local login is, but i guess they're separate

08 14:45:00 tommost I was just trying to do X11 forwarding from my laptop on the macs and it didn't work for either of them.

08 14:45:00 Morasique tommost: sure you were

08 14:45:00 tommost I wanted to use them as demo machines for Xdmx.

08 14:46:00 tommost Instead I think that I'll get you all to SSH into my laptop.

08 14:47:00 tommost The weird thing is that forwarding works from them to Addiator.

08 14:47:00 tommost (Though bouncing through Addiator doesn't.)

08 14:48:00 Morasique tommost: you should just bring your many, many sun-rays into the lab

08 14:48:00 tommost They're kind of heavy.

08 14:48:00 tommost Plus I haven't gotten them set up yet.

08 14:48:00 Morasique you should work on that

08 14:48:00 tommost I should.

08 14:48:00 tommost But I do have all summer to do it.

08 14:50:00 tommost Plus I should work on my paper and tests tomorrow more.

08 15:05:00 Morasique i'm not sure if the guy in front of me is in this class, i'm pretty sure he's ignored the daily quiz and the exercise completely in favor of playing with the compiz configuration. which i approve of, but curt probably doesn't

08 15:33:00 Morasique somebody just described singletons as "there can only be one", i don't know if they were going for a highlander reference or not, but i was pretty entertained

08 17:22:00 auchter everyone not here fails at being here

08 17:22:00 Mishtal yea, im skipping. have other crap to do

08 17:29:00 Zeta_RHIT whenever sam gets there, call him a douchebag for me

08 17:32:00 auchter he's here, he said "ok"

08 17:32:00 povilusr apparently im a douchebag? why?

08 17:33:00 tommost Because you didn't bring Ethernet cables.

08 17:33:00 povilusr crap, whoops

08 17:33:00 tommost See? You missed out on money.

08 17:33:00 auchter heh, i forgot baty's hard drive too... good thing he's not here

08 17:33:00 Zeta_RHIT povilusr: because you left me

08 17:34:00 Zeta_RHIT I reminded you and got left for my trouble

08 17:34:00 Zeta_RHIT thanks

08 17:34:00 povilusr gee zeta maby you should have said, "hey, id like to come" not said "oh" and stayed on eve

08 17:34:00 Zeta_RHIT ... I had closed my laptop

08 17:34:00 Zeta_RHIT and was putting it away

08 17:34:00 povilusr you said NOTHIN

08 17:35:00 povilusr and i heard you on ts

08 17:35:00 povilusr so i ssumed you wer b eing lazy and staying

08 17:35:00 Zeta_RHIT nope, I wasn't

08 17:36:00 povilusr you can actually drive yourself

08 17:37:00 Zeta_RHIT I can indeed, but am going to sleep a bit instead now instead of wasting additional gas

08 19:02:00 tommost If I want to install Rose-Hulman's certificate do I put it in /etc/ssl/certs?

08 19:05:00 andy753421 tommost: i don't know, i've never been able to figure that out

08 19:05:00 andy753421 if you do, let me know

08 19:05:00 tommost I will.

08 19:08:00 tommost Any pointers on configuring fetchmail to talk with Rose's servers?

08 19:09:00 Morasiqu2 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Local_mail#Fetchmail

08 19:09:00 Morasiqu2 :D

08 19:09:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/User:Andy753421/.fetchmailrc

08 19:09:00 tommost Morasiqu2: I'm already on that page.

08 19:09:00 tommost andy753421: Thanks.

08 19:22:00 TBoneULS auchter: i forgot about my hard drive. i don

08 19:22:00 TBoneULS er

08 19:22:00 TBoneULS fail

08 19:22:00 TBoneULS i dont care that much, just bring it by sometime before the end of the year

08 19:24:00 auchter yeah, i will

08 21:10:00 Mishtal what possible reason did eric smith have for sending the same email to the entire campus two times

08 21:13:00 tommost http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Rose_SSL_certificates

08 22:15:00 rr72 hey anyone around

08 22:15:00 rr72 have a question

08 22:15:00 Blazeix just go ahead and ask

08 22:16:00 rr72 you know your movies?

08 22:16:00 Blazeix I have google

08 22:16:00 rr72 NEED to know this movie that is in my head

08 22:16:00 rr72 uhm

08 22:16:00 rr72 yeah won't help me much

08 22:16:00 Morasique google kicks ass at movies

08 22:16:00 tommost Just spit out the question.

08 22:16:00 Morasique ok, let's pretend i know movies really well then

08 22:16:00 Morasique winks at google

08 22:16:00 Blazeix I'm dying of suspense.

08 22:16:00 rr72 ok

08 22:17:00 rr72 what is this movie? has this guy that finds aliens and then goes to mexico and there is this girl too and she is in a hotel and there are scopriens in her room

08 22:17:00 Morasique i am willing to wager that movie has never and will never be made

08 22:18:00 rr72 then in his shed out back, back at his house, there is this ball thing that the aliens, dressed up as lawn service, put there basicly sucks in his shed

08 22:18:00 Blazeix rr72: The arrival?

08 22:18:00 rr72 THANK YOU!!

08 22:18:00 kleinjt rr72: ET?

08 22:18:00 rr72 omg

08 22:18:00 tommost Google revealed that to me too.

08 22:18:00 rr72 Blazeix~ then the kid at the end runs off?

08 22:18:00 tommost rr72: You lack faith.

08 22:18:00 rr72 tommost~ what could you google?

08 22:19:00 rr72 i couldnt think of anything to start

08 22:19:00 Blazeix I googled "movie aliens mexico scorpion hotel"

08 22:19:00 tommost aliens mexico hotel scorpions movie

08 22:19:00 Blazeix 5th link

08 22:19:00 tommost 1st link.

08 22:19:00 tommost I win.

08 22:19:00 Morasique i did movie aliens mexico scorpion. suck on that

08 22:19:00 Blazeix wow

08 22:19:00 Morasique my query was shorter, i win

08 22:19:00 Morasique :)

08 22:19:00 rr72 i didnt know what to search under

08 22:19:00 rr72 ty

08 22:20:00 Mishtal google needs to make a search unction for "that one movie that has..."

08 22:20:00 Mishtal and it will instantly tell you the correct show

08 22:20:00 rr72 no shit

08 22:20:00 Morasique ironically "has this guy that finds aliens and then goes to mexico" also finds it, so one could argue that deep down rr72 knew what to search for all along

08 22:21:00 Mishtal lol

08 22:21:00 rr72 knew it was mid 90s though

08 22:21:00 Mishtal that was a seriously messed up movie though

08 22:21:00 kleinjt A boy and his dog is a messed up movie

08 22:21:00 rr72 havent seen it in YEARS and those parts are the only ones i remember

08 22:22:00 Mishtal when you were just now talking about it i got all disturbed from it all over again

08 22:22:00 Mishtal thanks, i appreciate it

08 22:22:00 rr72 and when they get frozen and cracked by the nitrogen in the satalite when the van crashes the doors down

08 22:22:00 Mishtal im going to make your freshman year here a lving hell in retaliation

08 22:22:00 auchter so are we just posting movie spoiler's in here now?

08 22:22:00 auchter (not that i have any intention at all of seeing that movie)

08 22:22:00 kleinjt They eat the girl in the end?

08 22:23:00 rr72 no the kid runs away cause he was an alien all along

08 22:23:00 kleinjt No, I'm pretty sure they ate the girl.

08 22:23:00 Morasique well now it's ruined for me. :'(

08 22:23:00 Mishtal yea but the kid was a guy not a girl

08 22:23:00 auchter no, it was his sled

08 22:23:00 rr72 he dislocates his legs and runs really really fast

08 22:23:00 kleinjt No, that is forest gump. You are confused.

08 22:23:00 rr72 after the dude tells him to go tell your kind BLAH BLAH BLAH

08 22:23:00 Morasique it turned out the guy used plan 9, so they killed him

08 22:24:00 Mishtal actually, the real plot spoiler is that the main character was the alien the entire time

08 22:24:00 kleinjt But it was all in the matrix

08 22:24:00 Mishtal and even HE didnt know

08 22:24:00 Morasique Mishtal: <rr72> no the kid runs away cause he was an alien all along

08 22:24:00 Mishtal Morasique

08 22:24:00 Mishtal i remember, im just being an ass

08 22:24:00 rr72 didnt recognize sheen in my memory cause he had a gotee

08 22:25:00 Mishtal :-D

08 22:25:00 Morasique ah. good, we encourage that

08 22:25:00 Blazeix Now that Zaszamonde has left us we need someone to fill in that role.

08 22:25:00 Mishtal i am acutely aware of the encouragement. it makes living another day so much more bearable

08 22:25:00 Morasique i thought i was the ass :(

08 22:25:00 auchter i thought i was...

08 22:26:00 rr72 kiki is the kid right?

08 22:26:00 Blazeix no, that was bob.

08 22:26:00 tommost This damn heart rate monitor needs to go away.

08 22:26:00 kleinjt Blazeix: No, it was "bob"

08 22:27:00 tommost It was Karl, WTF are you talking about?

08 22:27:00 Blazeix tommost: heart rate monitor?

08 22:27:00 auchter you're lacking slack

08 22:27:00 kleinjt wootoff

08 22:27:00 Blazeix ahh

08 22:27:00 Blazeix excellent.

08 22:27:00 Morasique i stopped checking woot, which i'm sad about

08 22:27:00 rr72 what would be the point of a heart rate monitor that would wirelessly send it to your computer? unless you excersid near your computer

08 22:28:00 kleinjt I imagine it would buffer data, and then send it when you got close enough

08 22:29:00 tommost rr72: Agreed. Damn useless. Next!

08 22:29:00 kleinjt What is the point of cars if you have to drive them near gas stations?

08 22:29:00 tommost Indeed. I want an electric car.

08 22:30:00 auchter why do you hate blind people?

08 22:30:00 Morasique because they can't see

08 22:31:00 tommost Okay, I'll take an electric car with a good sound system.

08 22:31:00 tommost It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

08 22:31:00 auchter no such thing, there is no good sound in a car

08 22:31:00 tommost s/good/damn freaking loud/

08 22:31:00 auchter ah, the two are usually mutually exclusive; you can see why i was confused

08 22:32:00 kleinjt we ought to plant ultrasonic transmitters on electric cars, and give blind people cyboric healing implants that allows them to hear that frequency

08 22:32:00 tommost auchter: I'll agree with you on their mutual exclusivity. I usually prefer nice sound, myself.

08 22:33:00 auchter we need to not talk about sound anymore...

08 22:33:00 Morasique or blind people

08 22:35:00 ferrelaj Morasique: I just came to the realization that after working in the same office with you for > 6 months, I've said more to you hear then at work

08 22:35:00 Morasique i've said more to most people on here than i have in person

08 22:35:00 ferrelaj **here

08 22:35:00 ferrelaj Morasique: speaking of which, are you working at Ventures this summer?

08 22:35:00 Mishtal on the internet no one can here you be stupid. only read it

08 22:35:00 Morasique no

08 22:37:00 ferrelaj lol

08 22:38:00 tommost Finally!

08 22:38:00 ferrelaj tommost: finally?

08 22:38:00 Morasique yes. finally

08 22:38:00 Mishtal and im deffinately holding you to your promise ferrelaj, i am expecting delicious peons, lots and lots of them.

08 22:38:00 ferrelaj Mishtal: never, EVER say that to me again

08 22:39:00 Mishtal lol

08 22:39:00 Mishtal ok

08 22:39:00 tommost Laaaaaame.

08 22:42:00 auchter what just happened?

08 22:43:00 tommost And more laaaaame.

08 22:43:00 tommost Stupid iPod accessories.

08 22:43:00 rr72 any online multi player games? like two computer? the flash games not mmorpgs

08 22:55:00 auchter no. flash is dumb.

08 23:09:00 Blazeix wow, what a lame woot.

08 23:09:00 Blazeix its been on this power inverter forever.

08 23:09:00 tommost Indeed.

08 23:10:00 Blazeix Hey CPEs, you're all into that kind of stuff, right? You should buy all the remaining inverters in stock.

08 23:12:00 tommost Hey, robotics team. Don't we want to power our computer with an inverter or three?

08 23:12:00 auchter no

08 23:13:00 tommost That sounds like a yes.

08 23:15:00 auchter if that sounded like a yes, you've got some pretty serious synaesthesia going on

08 23:19:00 Morasique i don't know, i heard it too. you should buy three

08 23:20:00 auchter ferrelaj: so, how's the presentation coming along?

08 23:21:00 ferrelaj omg... I hate it

08 23:21:00 auchter i'm looking forward to it tomorrow

08 23:22:00 tommost robotics team: What's the exact plan for attending the competition? In particular, what day do we get back?

08 23:24:00 Blazeix When you attend the competition, everyone is required to bring a power inverter.

08 23:24:00 Blazeix luckily, I know where you can get them for cheap!

08 23:40:00 tommost Holy shit! Our paper is due May 12!

08 23:41:00 tommost ROBOTICS TEAM!!!

08 23:41:00 andy753421 tommost: probably a good thing you looked that up, i'll send out an e-mail

08 23:42:00 tommost I vote that someone reads the entire set of rules right now.

08 23:42:00 tommost But not me; I have two math tests to study for.

08 23:42:00 tommost Morasique: Would you read the IGVC rules for us? http://www.igvc.org/rules.html

08 23:42:00 andy753421 yea, i have a graph theory homework to do, we'll have to work on it a lot this weekend

08 23:42:00 Morasique tommost: i have no idea what you're talking about, but i refuse to click that link

08 23:43:00 tommost Morasique: Yeah, I admit it. It's a rickroll.

08 23:43:00 Morasique even if it's not, best case is it's a lengthy list of robot rules

08 23:43:00 Morasique at least rickrolls are entertaining

08 23:43:00 auchter when you said "rickroll", i pictured a piece of sushi with rick astley's head sticking out of the center

08 23:44:00 auchter thanks.

08 23:44:00 Morasique .....i apologize

08 23:51:00 tommost auchter: I was very tempted to Gimp that up.

08 23:52:00 auchter unlike photoshop, using "gimp" as a verb sounds wrong.

08 23:53:00 tommost I know. That's why I did it.

08 23:53:00 tommost It seemed to fit the image you envisioned very well.

08 23:56:00 tommost andy753421: You should include a link to a LaTeX primer in your e-mail. Along with a link to the rules.

09 00:02:00 tommost AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

09 00:02:00 tommost Payroll is spamming me!

09 00:02:00 tommost In real time!

09 00:15:00 tommost So who fucked up?

09 00:15:00 Morasique what's going on?

09 00:15:00 tommost The 380 payroll messages in my inbox say someone did.

09 00:15:00 Morasique also, it was rr72

09 00:15:00 Morasique i got nothing

09 00:16:00 tommost I and everyone around me with work study got royally spammed by payroll.

09 00:16:00 Morasique i have work study, apparently they don't like me

09 00:16:00 tommost I didn't just get my own payroll notification; I got everyone else's too.

09 00:18:00 auchter that seems like it would be an issue

09 00:18:00 tommost How the heck do you manage to have negative work study money?

09 00:18:00 tommost One guy has $-23.

09 00:18:00 Morasique auchter: it was an issue when they were just sending the one

09 00:18:00 Morasique i don't know, but i want that too

09 00:20:00 tommost FYI, roleplaying club t-shirts $10 @ 6:00 in the commons.

09 00:21:00 tommost They are amusing.

09 00:26:00 Morasique zune travel pack!!!

09 00:27:00 tommost OMG! Even the coffee maker was more useful. And I don't drink coffee.

09 00:32:00 auchter heretic

09 00:33:00 tommost Sludge-drinker.

09 00:33:00 Morasique i used to drink coffee, now when i try my bones hurt, it's a bit odd

09 00:33:00 Mishtal you get negative work study money if you work more than your award will pay for

09 00:33:00 Mishtal meaning he has to give 23 $ back now

09 00:33:00 Morasique Mishtal: they don't let you though, they're nazis about that. they cut me off as soon as i was close to going over, before i'd even used it all

09 00:34:00 Mishtal lmao

09 00:34:00 Mishtal dude, i worked for the boyscouts last year

09 00:34:00 Mishtal was making 8 dollars an hour (Not even worth it)

09 00:34:00 Morasique nice

09 00:34:00 Mishtal deff asked them for a raise for making me mow their lawn every damn day

09 00:34:00 Mishtal didnt have time to work

09 00:34:00 Mishtal ended up earning like 1/4th of my award

09 00:34:00 Mishtal it was bullsh*t

09 00:34:00 Morasique i think i was supposed to work for the boy scouts originally, i don't remember. something got messed up and i ended up assigned to some church, so i ditched my original job and started working for the department

09 00:35:00 Mishtal lol

09 00:35:00 Mishtal it was so sad

09 00:35:00 Mishtal the gas to get there sometimes cost more than half of what i made in a day

09 00:35:00 Morasique that's depressing

09 00:36:00 auchter if geiger counter does not click, the coffee, she is just not thick

09 00:37:00 Mishtal LMAO

09 00:37:00 Mishtal radioactive coffee

09 00:37:00 Mishtal scart

09 00:37:00 Mishtal scary*

09 00:37:00 auchter i only make my coffee with heavy water, actually

09 00:37:00 Morasique it's really the only way to go

09 00:39:00 Morasique you know that thing where they get people to sign a pledge saying dihydrogen monoxide should be banned just to show people will sign anything? i bet we could convince people that drinking heavy water is better for them

09 00:39:00 Zeta_RHIT heh

09 00:39:00 Morasique i can see somebody nodding as auchter says "it's the hydrogen, it gives you that extra kick in the morning"

09 00:39:00 Mishtal ...

09 00:39:00 Mishtal why even tell them the composition

09 00:40:00 Mishtal just say that it has extra good stuff in it

09 00:40:00 Mishtal and they will sign it anyway

09 00:40:00 Zeta_RHIT Because that tagline is amusing

09 00:40:00 Mishtal lol

09 00:40:00 Mishtal yea it is

09 00:40:00 auchter plus, it will probably make them sterile

09 00:40:00 auchter which is a good thing if they buy into it

09 00:40:00 Zeta_RHIT god, that'd be a plus

09 00:41:00 Morasique well, it amuses me more when you give them details and they still buy it, that's what they do with the H2O thing, they give real facts about water that sound bad. http://www.dhmo.org/

09 00:41:00 auchter yeah, i'm familiar with it

09 00:41:00 Morasique i was talking more to Mishtal

09 00:41:00 Mishtal oh, i remember the story

09 00:41:00 Mishtal its years old

09 00:42:00 Mishtal my bio teacher in HS asked us our opinion on it

09 00:42:00 Mishtal no one had a clue why people were afraid of water

09 00:43:00 auchter well, it's the main component of acid rain

09 00:44:00 Morasique i'm told it contributed to the flooding in katrina. and yet we do nothing to stop it

09 00:45:00 Mishtal im told that it contaminates 95% of the worlds water supply, and no one lifts a finger

09 00:45:00 Morasique i bet we could get funding to stop this. who's going to SGA tuesday?

09 00:45:00 auchter heroin users use it to get high

09 00:46:00 Mishtal you can count on my vote

09 00:46:00 Mishtal (not that i have one)

09 00:46:00 Zeta_RHIT also, 95%?

09 00:47:00 Zeta_RHIT What's the other 5% of the world's water supply? O.o

09 00:47:00 auchter salt?

09 00:48:00 Zeta_RHIT kinda hopes that the water supply, is, ya know, water

09 00:48:00 Zeta_RHIT When they talk about water supplies they usually don't include solutes, I think

09 00:48:00 Zeta_RHIT not sure

09 00:49:00 Mishtal i meant that (a very badly estimated) portion of the worlds water supply is dihydrogen monoxyde. the rest is solutes

09 00:50:00 Morasique i'd like to congratulate you guys on killing any possible humor this discussion might've had

09 00:51:00 Zeta_RHIT sorry, engineer mode took over :/

09 00:51:00 auchter we do our best

09 00:51:00 Mishtal you may kick me tomorrow in retaliation, if you must

09 00:52:00 octavious http://www.photobasement.com/virginia-puts-kids-first/

09 00:52:00 Morasique i'll be ok. tempting though

09 00:53:00 auchter octavious: reminds me of that "We don't serve teens" sign on Poplar

09 00:53:00 auchter of course they don't, cannabalism is frowned upon

09 00:53:00 octavious ha, i dont think i have seen that one

09 00:53:00 Mishtal wait.. you mean that ground teen i bought from the nice crazy asian lady wasnt REAL teen?

09 00:53:00 Mishtal i want my money back!

09 01:07:00 Mishtal ah, andy753421: for xssh, what is the behavior of: set bob <input, grep e $bob ?

09 01:12:00 Mishtal (with set being one command, and grep being on a different line)

09 01:13:00 andy753421 Mishtal: does the file 'input' exist?

09 01:14:00 Mishtal no, i mean if the file that i would use as input existed

09 01:14:00 Mishtal an example, xssh.c

09 01:14:00 Mishtal set bob <xssh.c

09 01:15:00 Mishtal grep e $bob

09 01:15:00 Mishtal is that supposed to be valid?

09 01:15:00 andy753421 and xssh.c exists, right?

09 01:15:00 Mishtal yes

09 01:15:00 andy753421 then the behavior is undefined :P

09 01:15:00 andy753421 wait, no it's not

09 01:16:00 Mishtal so, im kind of getting to "does variable substitution work with redirection?"

09 01:16:00 andy753421 e gets set to the empty string (as in 'set e') and then the next command calls 'grep e ""'

09 01:16:00 Mishtal i have no idea what your saying

09 01:16:00 Mishtal when did i set e to the empty string?

09 01:17:00 andy753421 er, bob gets set to the empty string

09 01:17:00 Mishtal it does?

09 01:17:00 Mishtal ...oh..

09 01:17:00 andy753421 the redirection happens during the set command, however, stdin is ignored

09 01:18:00 Mishtal because <xssh.c gets evaluated

09 01:18:00 Mishtal ok

09 01:18:00 Mishtal so, if redirection occurs during a set, assume that the redirect == "" instead?

09 01:19:00 andy753421 um, sure

09 01:19:00 andy753421 it's probably easiest to just do the redirect like normal, and then just ignore stdin

09 01:20:00 Mishtal well, i dont expect you to know how my project is implemented. so i guess that both redirection and variables should be evaluated mutually separately of each other?

09 01:21:00 Mishtal or will "set bob xssh.c" "grep e <&xssh.c" work?

09 01:21:00 andy753421 that will work, it'll just take input form '&xssh.c'

09 01:22:00 Mishtal errr

09 01:22:00 Mishtal sorry

09 01:22:00 Mishtal $xssh.c

09 01:22:00 andy753421 same thing

09 01:22:00 Mishtal wait wait

09 01:23:00 Mishtal i am really typoing here sorry,

09 01:23:00 Mishtal "grep e <$bob"

09 01:23:00 Mishtal will that take input from $bob? or from xssh.c?

09 01:23:00 andy753421 it will take input form '$bob'

09 01:24:00 andy753421 not that you mention that, it probably would have been cooler to do input from 'xssh.c' but that's more difficult

09 01:25:00 Mishtal mmm

09 01:25:00 Mishtal actually, not all that much more

09 01:25:00 Mishtal just a second piece of evaluation

09 01:25:00 Mishtal so, you find that the first character is < or >

09 01:25:00 Mishtal in that case

09 01:26:00 Mishtal you ask if the second character is another special char

09 01:26:00 andy753421 i guess it depends on your implementation, but i think mine was about as simple as you can get

09 01:26:00 Mishtal potentially it would be much easier to do something like that with a case switch

09 01:26:00 Mishtal potentially.

09 01:26:00 Mishtal i dont feel like trying right now

09 01:26:00 Mishtal maybe tomorrow

09 01:26:00 Mishtal thanks for the help though, i appreciate it

09 01:26:00 andy753421 yea, that's what i did, i just did case on the first character of each token

09 01:27:00 Mishtal currently we have it in an else-if

09 01:27:00 Mishtal because we are lazy

09 01:27:00 Mishtal *shrug*

09 01:27:00 Mishtal (yes, i know case is easier, but we were too lazy to look up the syntax. lol)

09 01:27:00 andy753421 ok, since that can be used to distinguish between (&, <, >, $, and [a-z]) that's all you have to do

09 01:28:00 andy753421 it's also the reason we specified it as '<foo' and didn't allow '< foo'

09 01:28:00 Mishtal i greatly appreciate that

09 01:29:00 Mishtal while it would have been decently easy enough, i really wouldnt have wanted to bother coding it

09 01:35:00 andy753421 if anyone wants to see something funny, run ping on plc.cs.rose-hulman.edu for about a minute or two

09 01:36:00 Morasique it stopped responding :)

09 01:36:00 auchter for me as well...

09 01:36:00 andy753421 oh, just wait :P

09 01:37:00 auchter wow.

09 01:37:00 Morasique wow. that's impressive

09 01:37:00 Morasique what is wrong with that server?

09 01:37:00 andy753421 I really wish I knew... it's on a VM, but still

09 01:37:00 auchter Morasique: vmware's hardware is a bit flaky

09 01:41:00 andy753421 apparently, it cant copy files and respond to ping at the same time

09 02:17:00 Morasique wow. the javascript errors on woot.com really add up in firebug when i have it refreshing every 15 seconds. it's up to 1476 errors

09 05:02:00 Mishtal andy753421: is the plc server down? it seem to spit an error at me when i submit something

09 05:02:00 andy753421 Mishtal: somewhat, mabye, hold on

09 05:03:00 Mishtal andy753421: id like to mention that im surprised your still awake

09 05:03:00 andy753421 i've spent the last hour or so trying to figure why mysql randomly crashes

09 05:03:00 andy753421 i don't know whether to blame the crappy server, or Rails

09 05:03:00 Mishtal the plc server uses mysql?

09 05:03:00 andy753421 yea

09 05:03:00 Mishtal im not all that familiar with mysql, otherwise id offer to help, sorry

09 05:58:00 Mishtal andy any luck?

09 06:11:00 andy753421 Mishtal: no :(

09 06:13:00 andy753421 it seems like it's timing out or dropping the connecting or something, but with no useful error messages

09 06:25:00 Mishtal does that mean that the homework that i had finished at like... 4 am gets a zero? or what..?

09 06:25:00 Mishtal :(

09 06:25:00 andy753421 um, hold on

09 06:25:00 Mishtal np

09 06:29:00 andy753421 Mishtal: i'll see if I can get the old version back up

09 06:29:00 andy753421 I didn't realize there was an assignment due tonight when I switched it,

09 06:29:00 andy753421 you can also submit it here: http://andy753421.ath.cx:3000

09 06:29:00 Mishtal mmm

09 06:29:00 Mishtal i still havnt tested the assignment, but: roger, iwll do

09 06:30:00 andy753421 an another note, the andy753421 is about ~10 times faster..

09 06:31:00 Mishtal heh, i will keep that in mind (due to lack of VM?)

09 06:31:00 Mishtal and im so glad i get 0 / 60

09 06:31:00 andy753421 Mishtal: yea, pretty much

09 06:31:00 Mishtal lol

09 06:32:00 andy753421 Mishtal: take a look at line 15, sounds like you have a bracket instead of a parenthesis

09 06:32:00 Mishtal already a step ahead of you

09 06:33:00 Mishtal i switched to os while the plc server was down

09 06:33:00 Mishtal thanks for the effort though, means a lot

09 06:33:00 andy753421 alright, i'm actually really angry that this isn't working.. especially since I was supposed to be doing graph theory all night

09 06:34:00 Mishtal oh boy

09 06:34:00 andy753421 blames RoR and stupid VM's

09 06:34:00 Mishtal your getting financially reimbursed for sacrificing your grades inorder to defeat the gheyness of VM, right?

09 06:35:00 andy753421 maybe, depends on whether i remember to submit hours on banner

09 06:35:00 Mishtal lol

09 06:35:00 Mishtal i always disliked that process

09 06:39:00 andy753421 what the hell, IT Consulting companies from india are sending me messages on facebook trying to hire me to work on Java stuff..

09 06:40:00 ferrelaj lol

09 06:46:00 Mishtal take the jobs! take the jobs!

09 06:46:00 Mishtal andy, could you give me an example of what is breaking intersection-cps?

09 06:46:00 Mishtal actually, set?-cps would be better

09 06:49:00 andy753421 try it with (quote (a b c))

09 06:57:00 andy753421 and passing to a lambda that returns a list

09 07:11:00 Mishtal i saw that problem

09 07:12:00 Mishtal im not sure what kind of behavior im supposed to have when i have the member?-cps function returning a list (as in, the continuation)

09 07:17:00 andy753421 you mean like (member?-cps 'a '(a b c) list)?

09 07:18:00 Mishtal yes

09 07:19:00 Mishtal the way that set?-cps is calling member?-cps, it expects member?-cps to return a boolean

09 07:19:00 Mishtal should i just give member?-cps (lambda (x) x)

09 07:20:00 Mishtal instead of the continuation passed to set?-cps?

09 07:20:00 Mishtal ah

09 07:20:00 Mishtal looks like it

09 07:21:00 Mishtal mm

09 07:21:00 Mishtal if you get a chance, could you tell me whats breaking #2 and #6?

09 07:22:00 andy753421 Mishtal: #2 and #6?

09 07:22:00 Mishtal yes

09 07:23:00 Mishtal also, i seem to have gotten an error page. should i just reload? or would you like to see the dump for it?

09 07:24:00 andy753421 sure, what's the dump?

09 07:24:00 andy753421 can you pastie it?

09 07:24:00 Mishtal Errno::EAGAIN in StudentController#assignment_submit

09 07:24:00 Mishtal thats the title

09 07:24:00 andy753421 hmm, ok

09 07:24:00 Mishtal Resource temporarily unavailable - fork(2)

09 07:24:00 Mishtal other stuff as well

09 07:24:00 Mishtal theres a lot of information here

09 07:25:00 andy753421 alright, i'm not overly concerned with that

09 07:25:00 Mishtal maybe fork just failed, like it said

09 07:25:00 Mishtal ok

09 07:27:00 Mishtal oh

09 07:27:00 Mishtal uhh

09 07:27:00 Mishtal i found out why 2 was broken

09 07:27:00 Mishtal never mind that one

09 07:29:00 Mishtal so, not that theres really enough time to ask, but 3 and 6?

09 07:29:00 Mishtal (is the time stamp for the plc.cs.rose-hulman.edu server supposed to be an hour and 20 minutes off?)

09 07:29:00 andy753421 probably not

09 07:29:00 Mishtal heh

09 13:30:00 Morasique hardy uses a different broadcom driver than gutsy did, and for some reason my wireless light is on all the time now, but i can still use fn+f2 to actually turn the card on and off, it's like somehow the light is stuck on and no longer represents the card's actual state

09 13:59:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/m22e09757

09 13:59:00 Morasique everyone should e-mail asking for help clearing out our inboxes. as if everyone at this school didn't have ample experience deleting hundreds of e-mails at a time

09 14:08:00 povilusr_ classy

09 14:08:00 povilusr_ im gunna be in that group soon :(

09 14:09:00 povilusr_ shy are there still ~ files in the log dir?

09 14:32:00 Morasique 143kb e-mails with giant pictures of pirate elephants make me sad

09 14:32:00 Morasique there's all of maybe 20 words in this e-mail, they could've just sent text

09 14:34:00 auchter it makes me want to append 30MB of random data to the end of an image, and have it sent to all campus

09 14:38:00 tommost Thunderbird really needs an option to smush ridiculously large images to fit the width of the window.

09 14:38:00 tommost Even Outlook does this.

09 14:38:00 Morasique generally if the image doesn't fit in the window i don't need to see the rest to know i don't care

09 14:38:00 auchter tommost: hey, luckily it's open source

09 14:39:00 tommost Morasique: It's not that I actually care to see the rest of the image. It's that the horizontal scrollbar physically pains me.

09 14:39:00 tommost It would also be useful for image attachments that Thunderbird inligns.

09 14:39:00 tommost */inligns/inlines/

09 14:39:00 tommost fail.

09 14:40:00 Morasique hmm. thunderbird has the same option firefox does to do exactly what you want, but it doesn't seem to work

09 14:44:00 auchter why is this class not over?

09 14:45:00 tommost Morasique: I think that option only applies to images loaded alone. I'm talking about squishing ones within an HTML document which would need to be handled differently.

09 14:45:00 tommost We need Greasemonkey for Thunderbird.

09 14:45:00 Morasique oh, ok

09 14:45:00 Morasique indeed

09 14:46:00 tommost There is Stylish for Thunderbird, IIRC.

09 14:48:00 auchter oh, on the bright side, that hideous image email did alert me to the availability of free food

09 14:49:00 auchter we should have a page on the wiki that has a calendar of free food opportunities

09 14:49:00 tommost Better: we should have an iCalendar file.

09 14:49:00 tommost So that they automatically appear in my calendar.

09 14:49:00 tommost (Not that I care; 18 meal plan.)

09 14:51:00 tommost We should take another project, too: a GTK e-mail client that doesn't suck.

09 14:51:00 tommost WebKit for rendering HTML mails.

09 14:51:00 tommost Decent text editing support.

09 14:51:00 auchter HTML emails should not exist

09 14:52:00 tommost I am not totally opposed to HTML mails.

09 14:52:00 tommost In moderation.

09 14:52:00 auchter no, it allows people to specify fonts

09 14:52:00 auchter when people send me emails in comic sans, i get angry

09 14:52:00 Morasique i like having the option to use html e-mails, but they're hugely abused

09 14:52:00 tommost Mainly, I want to be able to tell Outlook users that my e-mail client can render HTML e-mails better than theirs can.

09 14:52:00 Morasique i need a way to strip out certain things, like how on AIM i have it not show incoming fonts, because people can't be trusted to choose wisely

09 14:53:00 tommost Since Microsoft switched to using word to "render" HTML.

09 14:53:00 tommost Morasique: Exactly.

09 14:53:00 tommost Fully integrated Stylish and Greasmonkey-equivalent functionality.

09 14:54:00 andy753421 auchter: you should learn J

09 14:54:00 auchter andy753421: that's the language tom's doing for plp, right?

09 14:54:00 Morasique damn, i was going to go to that presentation

09 14:55:00 tommost Also, it needs to use Maildirs.

09 14:55:00 tommost I freaking hate mboxes.

09 14:55:00 andy753421 '!~/~>:i.10' generates pascals triangle..

09 14:56:00 auchter yeah, tom showed me some of the code they were doing

09 14:56:00 tommost andy753421: A visualization language?

09 14:56:00 auchter it's an absolutely perfect choice for doing a lot of block cipher's like they were doing

09 14:56:00 auchter the ability to simply do substitutions and table lookups is great

09 14:57:00 andy753421 tommost: it's array processing

09 14:57:00 tommost wikis it.

09 15:04:00 auchter J's cool and all, but i can't actually see myself using it

09 15:05:00 Morasique s/J/plan9/

09 15:06:00 tommost Morasique: Troll.

09 15:06:00 auchter tommost: yeah, that's something you're not guilty of

09 15:06:00 Morasique i demand you take that back

09 15:06:00 tommost bows

09 15:06:00 tommost takes it back

09 15:06:00 tommost throws it at Morasique as hard as he can

09 15:06:00 Morasique i'm not sure how heavy trolling accusations are, but imagine that probably hurt

09 15:07:00 tommost auchter: Do you have much time to spare for robotics this weekend?

09 15:08:00 auchter it's times like this, 3:07 on a friday afternoon, when i ask myself: do i really care about using twin-t notch filters to make a high q bandreject filter?

09 15:08:00 Morasique yes, you do. and that's why you're a cpe

09 15:08:00 auchter tommost: i should have some time

09 15:08:00 tommost Did you hear about the paper?

09 15:08:00 auchter Morasique: this is the stuff cpes should not have to know/care about

09 15:09:00 auchter tommost: yeah... that's relatively depressing

09 15:09:00 Morasique ah. like how lcds work. for example

09 15:09:00 auchter exactly

09 15:10:00 andy753421 tommost: oh, that's right, i still need to send that e-mail

09 15:10:00 auchter "And again, it becomes an algebraic game, and I don't have any interest in that..." thirty second later "So let's do that."

09 15:13:00 auchter \[ H(s) = \frac{V_o(s)}{V_i(s)} = \frac{s^2\frac{1}{R^2C^2}}{s^2 + \frac{4(1-\sigma)}{RC}s + \frac{1}{R^2C^2}} \]

09 15:13:00 auchter i sometime wonder why i even bother with this.

09 15:15:00 tommost I'm sad. The free food is now in the SRC, far away from me. It's not worth the bother.

09 15:16:00 auchter it is for me... i remember some thai food that was there last year that was delicious

09 15:16:00 tommost Oh, really? Like what?

09 15:16:00 auchter there wer some curries... i'm heading over there now hoping that there will be some...

09 15:17:00 tommost Oh, wow. I'll be there, then.

09 15:31:00 Morasique the group that's presenting right now doesn't know the name of any symbols, which is a problem when you're talking about ruby

09 15:32:00 Morasique | was "that vertical line thing", and _ was just "that symbol there"

09 15:32:00 Morasique oh good, they got @

09 15:40:00 Morasique i know more ruby from watching tom root's lug presentation than this group does from working with the language for the last 6 weeks

09 15:54:00 Morasique tommost: why'd you change the "what" on http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Installfest to be a fragment?

09 16:02:00 Morasique i just tried to use synaptic's option to change my hardy repository to the fastest server in the list, it selected ftp.estpak.ee, located in estonia

09 16:07:00 Morasique this presentation is an epic failure, curt is teaching them how they're calling methods wrong, which is explaining why the project they've been writing in ruby doesn't work correctly

09 16:08:00 Morasique how do you work with a language for 6 weeks and not learn the correct way to call a method?

09 16:42:00 auchter Morasique: i take it that curt was not pleased

09 16:43:00 Morasique he didn't say anything, but i doubt it. they had the whole period to present but only took half of it, so they spent the rest of the time trying out curt's suggestions as he googled for the problems they were having

09 16:44:00 Morasique i caught up on my rss feeds and looked up to laugh occasionally

09 16:45:00 tommost Morasique: My mistake.

09 16:45:00 tommost scolds himself

09 16:45:00 tommost "No editing when you're tired!"

09 17:45:00 Blazeix So, I got a message that the APO web/mail server, which I am in charge of, was down.

09 17:45:00 Blazeix Some guy needed to play WoW. So he unplugged it.

09 17:46:00 octavious sounds reasonable.

09 17:46:00 Blazeix I'll be right back

09 17:46:00 Blazeix I'm going to kill him.

09 18:40:00 tommost andy753421: How's that e-mail coming?

09 18:40:00 andy753421 i'm looking up stuff off the igvc site right now

09 18:41:00 tommost http://www.igvc.org/rules.html

09 18:41:00 tommost Does anyone have a Hardy Heron 64-bit ISO that they can put on waste right now?

09 18:42:00 andy753421 tommost: why put it on waste?

09 18:42:00 tommost So my roommate can download it.

09 18:42:00 tommost Any other download method would be fine, though.'

09 18:44:00 auchter tommost: were you planning on presenting next week?

09 18:44:00 tommost I guess so.

09 18:45:00 auchter alright, because tom root offered to present on J if you weren't

09 18:46:00 tommost I could certainly do a short presentation.

09 18:46:00 tommost There's not a huge amount to say about Xdmx.

09 18:46:00 tommost And I won't have time to mess around with Chromium before then, so I can't add to much.

09 18:47:00 tommost There's a real chance that I'll switch to Greasemonkey.

09 18:59:00 andy753421 tommost: what do you think about writing the paper on the wiki and then converting it to LaTeX once the content is finished?

09 19:00:00 tommost That would be more friendly for the MEs.

09 19:00:00 andy753421 since we're short on time, that would save us having to have everyone learn latex

09 19:00:00 tommost Yeah, sounds good.

09 19:13:00 andy753421 tommost: ok, i sent it, but I don't know how coherent it is

09 19:29:00 tommost There's one kinda confusing error, but otherwise it makes sense.

09 19:34:00 andy753421 tommost: which is that?

09 21:31:00 Morasique i just used file to figure out a file type and got "ASCII text, with very long lines". i wasn't aware it got that specific

10 13:26:00 Morasique urban terror just made gdm segfault. that should be impossible

10 13:53:00 Morasique tommost: i don't know if you ever got the second keyboard working independently, but multi-pointer x is supposed to get merged into the mainline at the end of the month, and it supports multiple keyboards and mice

10 13:53:00 tommost Interesting.

10 14:22:00 Morasique sites are starting to get ridiculous with how much crap they try to pile on the screen: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;193960399;fp;16;fpid;1

10 14:22:00 Morasique the text column in the middle, the only thing anybody on that page cares about, is about 270px

10 14:23:00 Morasique on a 1920px wide monitor, the only important element on the page fills 270px

10 14:23:00 Morasique which is why this article is 5 pages long, and whoever came up with separate pages on web stories should be mercilessly killed

10 14:27:00 auchter Morasique: i usually just click the "print this story" link on sites like that

10 14:28:00 Morasique that's a good idea. i have a script that shows all the pages in a row on one page, but that's easier

10 14:34:00 auchter i got a very confusing receipt from taco bell

10 14:35:00 auchter at the top, in all bold caps it says: "H1! MY NAME IS MIRANDA CALL 1-888-731-9645 GIVE ME ALL & YOU COULD WIN $1,000!!"

10 14:35:00 auchter that is verbatim, horrible grammar intact

10 14:35:00 Blazeix Spam is breaking out of the internets

10 14:36:00 Morasique we got that last time we were at taco bell, we were speculating on what "give me all" means

10 14:51:00 Morasique i swear fakeroot just let me do something i should've needed root for

10 14:57:00 tommost What is fakeroot, exactly?

10 14:58:00 Morasique it tells a program it has root privileges so programs that demand root but don't actually need it will run

10 14:58:00 Morasique but the program will fail if it actually tries to do something that needs root

10 15:41:00 andy753421 Morasique: what are you trying to you it for?

10 15:42:00 Morasique i tried removing what i thought was a root file just to see what error i would get, and it worked

10 15:42:00 Morasique i assume it wasn't owned by root after all and i just wasn't paying attention

10 15:47:00 andy753421 I just realized something.. when you 'scroll down' the page is really scrolling up..

10 15:56:00 auchter "trying to you it for", "when you 'scroll down' the page is really scrolling up.."

10 15:57:00 auchter these are statements i would expect from povilusr_

10 15:58:00 andy753421 the first only had one typoed word

10 15:58:00 Morasique the page is scrolling up, but you're scrolling down, where you're looking moves down the page

10 16:00:00 auchter haha, the second one just seemed like something a drunk person would say, hence the reference to sam

10 16:15:00 Morasique eclipse has the worst autocomplete ever, i want to stab it in the face

10 16:19:00 andy753421 Morasique: for java? have you found something better?

10 16:20:00 Morasique i don't know if there's anything better, i don't use anything else, but for some reason it has a habit of choosing the most obscure possible completion, even when context should tell it exactly which one is right

10 16:20:00 andy753421 for example?

10 16:20:00 andy753421 i've always thought it worked pretty well

10 16:21:00 Morasique i had something like List l=somemethod();, and some method returns a java.util.List, so it's obvious what type l is, and i told eclipse to auto-import and it imported com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.schemagen.xmlschema.List

10 16:21:00 Morasique and then immediately reported that i was storing an incompatible type in that variable

10 16:21:00 Morasique it does that all the time, it's imports are always wrong

10 16:22:00 andy753421 oh, yea, i've had that problem too, i though you were referring to the stuff that it pops up after you hit '.'

10 16:22:00 andy753421 *thought

10 16:23:00 Morasique oh. no, that's pretty intelligent, i don't know why imports don't seem to work

10 17:56:00 embry I'm working on OS, and I need to get the pid of the program that I am running, any ideas how to do it?

10 17:58:00 Morasique i know the variable $$ works in the shell, i don't know if that helps

10 17:58:00 embry ya I'm trying to write that var

10 17:58:00 embry lol

10 17:59:00 Morasique getpid()?

10 18:00:00 Morasique check the man page for getpid(2), i think that's what you want

10 18:00:00 embry ya, looking at that now

10 18:03:00 embry what exactly is the pid_t type

10 18:05:00 Morasique what do you mean?

10 18:05:00 Morasique it's a typedef of an int

10 18:07:00 embry ahh, it's something else that's bitching at me then

10 18:17:00 tommost getpid(); ?

10 18:18:00 tommost What is there by way of free food at Skinnerfest?

10 18:23:00 auchter tommost: last year there were hotdogs and hamburgers, if i remember correctly

10 18:24:00 auchter oh, and sno-cones

10 18:24:00 tommost :'(

10 18:24:00 tommost No Indian?

10 18:24:00 tommost Oh well.

10 18:24:00 tommost I'm hungry.

10 18:24:00 auchter i'm making pseudo-indian as we speak

10 18:26:00 tommost I'm jealous.

10 18:26:00 tommost Well, off to Skinnerfest.

10 18:26:00 auchter oh, that was today?

10 18:43:00 povilusr_ http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~povilusr/what-is-mark-doing.html

10 18:46:00 povilusr_ its funny cause it is static

10 18:56:00 Morasique povilusr_: best page ever

10 19:00:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl

10 19:00:00 Zeta_RHIT it's actually quite incorrect.

10 19:00:00 Morasique yeah, mark never plays eve online

10 19:01:00 Zeta_RHIT watching bullshit and installing solidedge

10 19:01:00 povilusr_ and playing eve

10 19:02:00 Zeta_RHIT well, that's why I have multiple computers :)

10 19:03:00 Morasique that turned around fast. all of 20 seconds to get from "it's actually quite incorrect" to confessing he is playing eve after all

10 19:09:00 auchter what is the appeal of eve?

10 19:09:00 Zeta_RHIT You really want me to ramble on?

10 19:09:00 andy753421 auchter: i was looking at it on wikipedia, the economy seems interesting

10 19:09:00 Morasique auchter: take it back before it's too late

10 19:10:00 Zeta_RHIT heh

10 19:10:00 tommost I want to hear aaaallll about EVE.

10 19:10:00 povilusr_ top, youre a bastard

10 19:10:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, i saw that... however, it seems like most people who play it spend quite a bit of time playing it

10 19:11:00 auchter what in particular makes that time well spent

10 19:11:00 Zeta_RHIT suspects he should take this to another channel

10 19:12:00 Zeta_RHIT funny thing is, povilusr plays and then insults me...

10 19:12:00 Morasique i don't think he plays quite as often as you

10 19:12:00 Morasique it's like how i play urban terror, and then isaac plays urban terror

10 19:12:00 Zeta_RHIT no he really doesn't

10 19:12:00 Zeta_RHIT heh

10 19:12:00 Zeta_RHIT you could probably say that with me too

10 19:12:00 Zeta_RHIT I play about equal amounts urt and eve

10 19:12:00 auchter also, urban terror doesn't cost $15/mo

10 19:13:00 Morasique i was referring to the time difference, i play occasionally, isaac plays all the time

10 19:13:00 tommost Yeah, that's what kills any interest I have in most MMORPGs. Monthly cost.

10 19:13:00 Zeta_RHIT Morasique: so was I

10 19:14:00 andy753421 auchter: well if you pay $15/month then you might as well get your money's worth :)

10 19:14:00 Zeta_RHIT The monthly cost issue put me off for a long time, but given the amusement I actually get from it, I deem it worth it for now

10 19:14:00 auchter andy753421: haha, that has to be some sort of logical fallacy

10 19:16:00 Zeta_RHIT and it's a combo of the economy and then RTS aspect... it's basically the most insane RTS I've ever played at the highest levels.

10 19:16:00 Zeta_RHIT </ramble>

10 20:07:00 octavious way to rationalize your money away... :\

11 03:00:00 Morasique i lost points on a 376 assignment because there was a class named Database, with the methods connect, runSelect and runUpdate. apparently Tori was sad that these were not commented, she found it confusing. can anyone hazard a guess as to what these methods do?

11 03:00:00 andy753421 Morasique: I don't know, but they sound pretty useless to me

11 03:01:00 Morasique :'(

11 03:02:00 andy753421 well, i guess that depends on what language you're using

11 03:02:00 Morasique java

11 03:02:00 andy753421 maybe not then, never used databases in java

11 03:02:00 Morasique it's kind of a pain, i have a class i just copy to any projects that need it

11 03:03:00 andy753421 ah, you'd think that would be included with the 50 billion other classes that come with java.

11 03:03:00 Morasique well, it has database stuff, it's just the usual java clunkiness

11 13:17:00 tommost auchter: Will you be showing up today for robotics?

11 13:22:00 auchter tommost: yeah, going to head over in a few minutes

11 13:22:00 tommost Great. John says that the motor smells funny.

11 13:23:00 auchter uhh...

11 13:23:00 tommost Oh. Joe says that the motor smells funny.

11 13:23:00 auchter that doesn't make it any better

11 13:23:00 tommost Screw that. kleinjt says that the motor smells funny.

11 13:24:00 auchter that still worries me

11 13:25:00 tommost He says that it's more likely the motor controller's fault. He'll talk to you when you get here.

11 13:25:00 tommost Don't be worried unless it will make you get here faster.

11 13:26:00 Morasique tell him the robot burst into flames

11 13:26:00 Morasique and started killing people

11 13:26:00 tommost OMGFLAMES!!!

11 13:26:00 tommost gurgles

11 13:27:00 tommost is consumed by the rampaging robot

11 13:27:00 death_robot MWAHAHAHAHA!!!

11 13:27:00 Morasique watches death_robot destroy tommost

11 13:33:00 Blazeix I'll save you!

11 13:33:00 Morasique i won't

11 13:34:00 tommost Thanks, Blazeix.

11 13:34:00 Blazeix no problem.

11 13:47:00 tommost andy753421: Is this laser stuff supposed to do something besides spit stuff into my console for every freaking pixel in the image?

11 14:15:00 rr72_ shit

11 14:15:00 rr72_ i wish i had a graphing calc now

11 14:15:00 Morasique use sage

11 14:15:00 tommost rr72_: How can you have survived high school without a graphing calculator?

11 14:15:00 rr72_ tommost it is at school

11 14:16:00 rr72_ Morasique~ don't you need to pay for that?

11 14:16:00 Morasique no

11 14:16:00 tommost It's open source.

11 14:16:00 rr72_ its the free maple right?

11 14:16:00 Morasique yes

11 14:17:00 rr72_ just need to graph functions and then integrate them

11 14:17:00 Morasique this is interesting: http://www.vnode.ch/fixing_seekdir

11 14:20:00 rr72_ god damnit

11 14:20:00 rr72_ can't get vmware

11 14:20:00 rr72_ maybe should just install it on my computer in my room

11 14:21:00 tommost Qemu is your friend.

11 14:21:00 rr72_ sure, will just do that, so i can get to it on any computer then

11 14:21:00 rr72_ tommost trying to do windows install

11 14:21:00 rr72_ easier in my room then, too lazy to go to my room, that wouldnt help anyways cause no monitor or keyboard or mouse

11 14:23:00 tommost ROBOTICS IS NOW!!!

11 14:25:00 tommost andy753421: You must be here!!!

11 14:43:00 rr72_ can i change it so i can access my notebook on sage from other computers?(ips) isntead of localhost?

11 14:43:00 Morasique you can't ssh?

11 14:44:00 rr72_ I already am in it

11 14:45:00 rr72_ but i need graphs

11 14:45:00 rr72_ how do you think i installed ir remotely :-P

11 14:45:00 rr72_ *it

11 14:45:00 Morasique vnc?

11 14:46:00 rr72_ ew vnc?

11 14:46:00 rr72_ you are serious?

11 14:47:00 Morasique er. what's wrong with vnc?

11 14:47:00 rr72_ ok so i have it running on my machine, how do i access it from another computer?

11 14:47:00 Morasique .........vnc

11 14:47:00 Morasique you can use xhost to fiddle with that if you want, but i always use vnc

11 14:48:00 rr72_ ick

11 14:48:00 rr72_ no vnc

11 14:48:00 Morasique have fun then

11 14:49:00 Morasique you can use xhost to change the permissions for connecting directly to x, that's the only other way i can think to do it

11 14:49:00 rr72_ i can't just change a config file or line in it then run ff and point it to that ip?

11 14:49:00 rr72_ there is no point in vnc in just to run a web browser

11 14:49:00 rr72_ well i know of a way but don't like it

11 14:49:00 Morasique oh, you're using the web interface. i don't usually use that. i thought you could just access it remotely

11 14:50:00 Morasique i don't know how to configure sage

11 14:50:00 rr72_ why vnc in when you can ssh in?

11 14:50:00 Morasique well, you said ssh wasn't working, i said that first

11 14:50:00 rr72_ ssh?

11 14:50:00 rr72_ that is how i installed it

11 14:50:00 Morasique <@Morasique> you can't ssh?

11 14:50:00 Morasique rr72_<rr72_> I already am in it

11 14:50:00 Morasique rr72_<rr72_> but i need graphs

11 14:51:00 rr72_ <rr72_> how do you think i installed ir remotely :-P

11 14:51:00 rr72_ (SSH)

11 14:51:00 Morasique are you on drugs? i get how you installed it, you said you couldn't use ssh to actually use it because you need graphs, so i suggested vnc

11 14:51:00 tommost rr72_: ssh -X is your friend.

11 14:51:00 rr72_ tommost have no xserver on windows

11 14:52:00 Morasique if you're using the sage web interface i'm sure there's a way to allow remote connections

11 14:52:00 Morasique rtfm

11 14:52:00 rr72_ Morasique~ i type in notebook() and it tries to open up firefox

11 14:52:00 rr72_ get an error of coarse cause no display to connect to

11 14:53:00 Morasique notebook() starts the web listener, you can connect to <ip>:8000 to use it

11 14:53:00 Morasique it tries to auto-launch the browser too, but you can probably just ignore that

11 14:54:00 tommost rr72_: Install one.

11 14:55:00 rr72_ tommost shut up right now god damnit

11 14:55:00 Morasique the error is that firefox can't open, but the web listener still starts

11 14:55:00 Morasique .......ooook

11 14:55:00 rr72_ Morasique~ i try to, let me scan ports to see if it did open it on stuff besides localhost

11 14:57:00 Morasique it might be a firewall problem. there are probably many easier ways to graph stuff than going through all this, i assumed you were running linux and had a display available

11 14:58:00 rr72_ Morasique~ it only oppens it on localhost, not eth0 or ra0

11 14:58:00 rr72_ firewall problem?

11 14:58:00 Morasique you mean it opens on lo?

11 14:58:00 rr72_ yes

11 14:58:00 rr72_ only

11 14:58:00 Morasique how do you know?

11 14:58:00 rr72_ nmap

11 14:59:00 Morasique a firewall would block the port too

11 14:59:00 rr72_ what firewall?

11 14:59:00 Morasique iptables

11 14:59:00 rr72_ i don't have it set up

11 15:00:00 Morasique i'm not sure then

11 15:00:00 rr72_ i am sure it is just changing a single arg somewhere to allow connections from others

11 15:07:00 tommost Is anyone here in Skinner?

11 15:07:00 Morasique i assume you mean besides andy753421

11 15:07:00 Morasique try calling his room

11 15:08:00 tommost What's the magical number to say his name into the phone and get his room?

11 15:08:00 Morasique 6000

11 15:16:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/gCwj4I80.html

11 15:17:00 rr72_ still no lucnh yet Morasique

11 15:17:00 rr72_ luck

11 15:18:00 Morasique i vote you install linux on whatever machine you're on right now

11 15:18:00 Morasique but that's just me

11 15:18:00 Blazeix auchter: that's bizarre

11 15:18:00 Blazeix Can't people on mailman lists remove themselves?

11 15:18:00 Morasique try googling for a graphing calculator program, i'm sure there is one

11 15:18:00 tommost I swear that that's the first thing I've ever heard from that guy.

11 15:18:00 Morasique the team should show up at his room demanding to know why he's late

11 15:19:00 rr72_ Morasique~ linux is on this machine

11 15:19:00 tommost Good idea, except that needs to happen for people who actually are late. I.e. the entire team.

11 15:19:00 Morasique rr72_: so why don't you install sage on the machine you're on?

11 15:19:00 rr72_ but i don't want sage on this

11 15:19:00 Morasique i thought you were running windows, you told Blazeix you had no x server

11 15:19:00 rr72_ would take to long to install

11 15:19:00 rr72_ its an older machine

11 15:20:00 rr72_ i don't have an x server on my windows machine

11 15:20:00 rr72_ which i have a KVM to

11 15:21:00 Morasique i still elect you find a different program

11 15:21:00 rr72_ i vote for my grapher

11 15:22:00 rr72_ but that doesnt work

11 15:22:00 Morasique good vote then

11 15:25:00 Morasique auchter: in that e-mail, why does the text change to purple suddenly? is that a nopaste thing?

11 15:27:00 auchter Morasique: i pasted it as C++

11 15:27:00 Morasique ah

11 15:31:00 rr72_ Morasique~ i am a complete fucking idiot

11 15:32:00 rr72_ RTFM!!!!!!!!

11 15:32:00 auchter ...

11 15:32:00 Morasique resists the urge to say anything

11 15:32:00 rr72_ its in there

11 15:32:00 Morasique that's good

11 15:32:00 rr72_ help files are SO helpful

11 15:33:00 rr72_ the hardest part usually is finding where they are

11 15:33:00 Morasique /usr/share/doc is usually a winner, but apparently sage's aren't there

11 15:35:00 rr72_ interactive help

11 15:35:00 rr72_ shit

11 15:35:00 rr72_ i just see a blank page now

11 15:35:00 rr72_ gr

11 15:35:00 Morasique did you use https?

11 15:35:00 rr72_ oh no

11 15:35:00 rr72_ ty

11 15:35:00 rr72_ it connects, just nothing shows

11 15:35:00 rr72_ fucking dumb ass

11 15:35:00 rr72_ ty

11 15:35:00 rr72_ is keyboard bashes

11 15:37:00 rr72_ er is?

11 15:37:00 rr72_ god

11 16:27:00 rr72_ Morasique~ I don't know how to give me not exact answers

11 16:27:00 rr72_ lol

11 16:52:00 rr72_ Morasique~ how do i get it to give me decmal answers?

11 16:53:00 Morasique i have no idea, i haven't used sage

11 16:53:00 Morasique evalf in maple

11 16:53:00 Morasique :)

11 16:57:00 rr72_ i am just typing in integral(F,x,a,b)

11 16:57:00 Morasique yeah, i still don't know sage

11 16:58:00 rr72_ what do you use sage for then?

11 16:58:00 Morasique i don't, i plan to learn it someday, i use maple

11 17:00:00 rr72_ oh ok

11 17:27:00 Morasique i had if [ 'pgrep pulseaudio' ]; in a shell script, and it kept running that block even when pulseaudio wasn't running. definitely used single quotes instead of backticks

11 17:27:00 Morasique i'm pretty sure i hate myself right now

11 17:33:00 Morasique http://tim.movementarian.com/archives/computer_bomb.jpg

11 17:46:00 auchter Morasique: oh how i miss weekly world news

11 18:35:00 auchter kleinjt: that dc-dc converter is out of stock

11 18:38:00 kleinjt auchter: the HV version is in stock on mini-box.com

11 18:39:00 auchter i saw that, but it's only 140W

11 18:40:00 andy753421 auchter/kleinjt: i'm going to go eat dinner, update the buylist when you figure it out

11 18:40:00 kleinjt auchter: http://store.mp3car.com/Automotive_12v_Power_Supplies_s/2.htm has them in stock

11 18:40:00 auchter ah, perfect

11 18:45:00 Morasique anybody in the cs lab?

11 18:52:00 auchter http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=549564&cid=23372118

11 19:12:00 andy753421 so, which one of those?

11 19:17:00 auchter andy753421: the M2-ATX 160W from http://store.mp3car.com/Automotive_12v_Power_Supplies_s/2.htm

11 19:20:00 tommost auchter: Are you sure that's powerful enough?

11 19:20:00 tommost http://store.mp3car.com/M2_ATX_160W_Intelligent_DC_DC_PSU_p/pwr-015.htm indicates that it's for low-power CPUs.

11 19:21:00 auchter jon's the one who picked it out.

11 19:22:00 auchter the CPU will draw 65 watts alone

11 19:22:00 auchter we don't have any hard drives/cd roms which will draw much current

11 19:22:00 tommost That's true.

11 19:22:00 tommost How much will the mobo draw?

11 19:23:00 tommost (How much did that cost, anyway? I need to put it on the cost summary.)

11 19:23:00 auchter good question, but i can't really imagine it drawing anywhere near 100W, given the lack of cooling capabilities

11 19:24:00 andy753421 the mini-box sites says that it's 'ideal cower power supply for operating Core 2 duo, celeron, and AMD systems'

11 19:24:00 auchter i'm frightened by the "cower" in there...

11 19:26:00 andy753421 ah, typod, no wonder I couldn't figure out how much of that quote i had typed..

11 19:27:00 auchter usually i copy and paste in those instances

11 19:27:00 andy753421 yea, that probably would have been faster

11 19:59:00 jboticsource so u can all kill me now

11 19:59:00 tommost We want to.

11 20:00:00 tommost https://project.rhitrobotics.org/mw/UGVProject:Design_Competition_2008

11 20:00:00 tommost flicks his taskmaster's whip

11 20:00:00 jboticsource i had been awake since 9 am friday

11 20:00:00 tommost turns his gaze on auchter and kleinjt

11 20:01:00 jboticsource an i pretty much passed out and died

11 20:01:00 jboticsource link is broken

11 20:01:00 tommost No it's not.

11 20:05:00 andy753421 so, i'm going to trust jon and go ahead and get that dc-dc converter

11 20:05:00 jboticsource what r u trying 2 link me 2?\

11 20:05:00 andy753421 jboticsource: the paper we have to write by tomorrow

11 20:05:00 jboticsource i know

11 20:05:00 jboticsource i will start writing now

11 20:05:00 andy753421 write the hardware section

11 20:06:00 andy753421 auchter: write the electronics section

11 20:06:00 auchter ok

11 20:06:00 andy753421 tommost: if you can write some of the software, i would appreciate it

11 20:06:00 andy753421 i think i can get most of the administrative/integration stuff

11 20:06:00 tommost Okay.

11 20:08:00 tommost andy753421: You'll need to write some about the image recognition stuff, though. I'm not really familiar with it, or what your plans are.

11 20:09:00 andy753421 alright

11 20:17:00 jboticsource rebooting into winfail

11 21:15:00 rr72_ Morasique~ you need to do notebook(address='')

11 21:15:00 rr72_ i tried but had syntax wrong

11 21:15:00 auchter Morasique: apparently quiche is something only terrorists eat

11 21:15:00 Morasique i think you mean you need to. i don't need to do anything, i run sage locally

11 21:15:00 rr72_ that's how i do it now

11 21:15:00 rr72_ i figured it out a while ago(a couple hours)

11 21:15:00 tommost auchter: Quiche is delicious.

11 21:16:00 auchter well, it's in M-x spook, which is disturbing

11 21:18:00 tommost andy753421: Why did we upgrade the kernel?

11 21:18:00 andy753421 tommost: because the old kernel didn't support the ethernet port

11 21:19:00 tommost "for enhanced compatibility with the latest hardware" ;)

11 21:19:00 rr72_ in Outlook can you inport gpg keys?

11 21:19:00 tommost rr72_: No. Outlook fails.

11 21:20:00 rr72_ ok fuck outlook

11 21:20:00 rr72_ thunderbird

11 21:20:00 rr72_ :-D

11 21:20:00 Morasique can a microsoft product import something made by a gnu product? good luck with that

11 21:20:00 Morasique indeed

11 21:20:00 rr72_ So i will need to install th underbird when i get laptop and fuck with outlook to make it not work and

11 21:20:00 rr72_ delete my account

11 21:21:00 tommost FYI, Thunderbird fails too, for different reasons.

11 21:21:00 tommost So does Evolution.

11 21:21:00 rr72_ enimail

11 21:21:00 rr72_ you can install the addition

11 21:21:00 rr72_ i use gpg with thunderbird

11 21:21:00 tommost If you ever find an e-mail client that doesn't suck gratuitously, tell me about it.

11 21:21:00 rr72_ hastymail

11 21:22:00 octavious Mutt - All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less

11 21:22:00 rr72_ octavious~ yerp

11 21:23:00 rr72_ i fucked up my mail on my laptop (internal mail system)

11 21:24:00 tommost My e-mail recently got messed up when I followed a certain someone's advice as to how to fix the truncated attachment problem.

11 21:24:00 tommost I'm now trying to install an IMAP server on my server.

11 21:27:00 rr72_ tommost i had one set up just deleted half of it and don't know what half it was

11 21:27:00 rr72_ and the config files are fucked up as well

11 21:27:00 Morasique tommost: well, clearly you fail, it works fine for everyone else :)

11 21:30:00 tommost_aorist Does everyone else tag all their e-mail?

11 21:30:00 tommost_aorist 'cause that's what got messed up.

11 21:30:00 Morasique yeah, i tag mine

11 21:30:00 andy753421 tommost_aorist: please define 'tag'

11 21:30:00 tommost_aorist "Label" in previous versions of Thunderbird.

11 21:31:00 tommost_aorist Or were they called categories?...

11 21:31:00 andy753421 i don't user thunderbird, but procmail sorts mine into seperate maildirs

11 21:32:00 rr72_ doesnt google already auto tags them?

11 21:32:00 rr72_ hence why you can't make dirs?

11 21:32:00 tommost_aorist Not my Rose e-mail.

11 21:32:00 rr72_ but yahoo i have it put all the school email in "Rose"

11 21:32:00 tommost_aorist I have Thunderbird filters that do some of it, but not all of it can be filtered automatically.

11 21:32:00 andy753421 neat trick, if on gmail you make your tags foo/bar/baz thunderbird will sort them into directories

11 21:33:00 tommost_aorist andy753421: Yeah, I do that.

11 21:34:00 rr72_ andy753421~ pop or imap or does it not matter?

11 21:34:00 andy753421 rr72_: i did that with imap, i've never downloaded gmail with pop

11 21:35:00 rr72_ so pop is old now right? most people are switching to imap?

11 21:35:00 tommost I have all my Rose e-mail on Rose's servers because I don't like the idea of giving Gmail my Rose password.

11 21:35:00 andy753421 rr72_: imap maintains a connection so when mail arrives it can notify you intead of having to wait for the next time it polls the server

11 21:36:00 rr72_ tommost you keep them on the server so you don't download the messages?

11 21:36:00 tommost That's how IMAP works.

11 21:36:00 tommost They just get cached locall.

11 21:36:00 tommost *locally.

11 21:37:00 rr72_ ah ok

11 21:37:00 rr72_ how big of a quota you get for mail?

11 21:37:00 tommost Unless, of course, you apply a certain person's suggestion regarding chunked downloading and Thunderbird decides that every folder must be downloaded again whenever it is opened.

11 21:37:00 tommost rr72_: 200 MB right now.

11 21:37:00 rr72_ tommost lol is that what got screwed up?

11 21:37:00 tommost Yeah.

11 21:38:00 tommost And when the folders in question have thousands of messages in them...

11 21:38:00 tommost Well, let us just say that I am reminded of why I tried switching to Evolution for a while.

11 21:39:00 rr72_ so IMAP you can use multiple computers and have all the same messages and pop fucks everything up right?

11 21:40:00 tommost Yes.

11 21:40:00 tommost Don't use POP; it's crappy.

11 21:40:00 tommost And ancient.

11 21:40:00 rr72_ so i know

11 21:40:00 rr72_ everything is pop though

11 21:40:00 rr72_ gmail, lavamail

11 21:40:00 rr72_ yahoo is crappy and webby

11 21:41:00 tommost Running an IMAP server is much more resource intensive.

11 21:41:00 tommost That's why Gmail's IMAP rollout was gradual.

11 21:48:00 rr72_ what is difference of inbox and All Mail?

11 21:50:00 tommost All Mail contains all of your mail.

11 21:51:00 rr72_ but inbox is above [gmail]

11 21:52:00 tommost [gmail] contains special gmail folders.

11 22:16:00 rr72_ ok i have my root imap.gmail

11 22:16:00 rr72_ then i have inbox

11 22:17:00 rr72_ then under, not in it, so same level i have [Gmail] then i have allmail and sent and trash ... etc under [Gmail]

11 22:18:00 tommost Fucking Firefox keeps crashing when I'm not even using it.

11 22:19:00 rr72_ i hate outlook express

11 22:19:00 rr72_ fuck it

11 22:19:00 rr72_ i am just going to undo it all

11 22:19:00 Morasique i don't think anybody in the world likes outlook express

11 22:19:00 Morasique tommost: does it just suddenly close?

11 22:19:00 Morasique that's what happens to me

11 22:19:00 Morasique i'll go to alt-tab to it and realize it's not open anymore

11 22:21:00 tommost Yeah, exactly that.

11 22:53:00 tommost auchter, andy753421: Have parts been ordered yet?

11 23:03:00 andy753421 tommost: depending on the definition of 'the parts', yes

11 23:03:00 andy753421 check the buylist, i moved the ordered ones to an ordered section

11 23:03:00 tommost Excellent, depending on the definition of 'the parts'.

11 23:04:00 tommost Okay, that is excellent, then.

11 23:04:00 tommost Aside from the GPS thing.

11 23:04:00 tommost Which grandly sucks.

11 23:47:00 auchter in latex math environments, does anyone know how to do hex without it italicizing the letters?

12 00:01:00 Morasique do you have an underscore somewhere?

12 00:01:00 Morasique that's usually what makes it do random italics

12 00:02:00 auchter no, latex usually italicizes letters in math environments, as they are typically variables

12 00:03:00 auchter it leaves numbers alone, hence hex looks odd

12 00:03:00 auchter i got around it by just putting it in \mathbf, but i'm sure there's a better way

12 00:03:00 Morasique ah. i don't know anything about the math environment, there probably is some correct way to do it

12 00:03:00 auchter especially since i'm looking at a paper typset in latex that has it correct...

12 00:03:00 tommost auchter: What paper are you working on?

12 00:04:00 auchter i'm working on my presentation for cryptography

12 00:04:00 tommost Mmmm...

12 00:08:00 andy753421 crazy regex time!

12 00:08:00 andy753421 $\_s*\n\(\%$\|\(\(=\{1,6}$[^=]*\4 *$\)\&$\z1=$\@!\)\)\@=

12 00:08:00 tommost jumps for joy!

12 00:08:00 Morasique my brain just exploded

12 00:09:00 tommost MediaWiki to LaTeX?

12 00:09:00 andy753421 tommost: close, that matches the end of a section of wikipedia markup

12 00:10:00 andy753421 so if you're in '=== foo ===', it will matching any sections with 3 or less ='s, but stop before it actually gets there so it maches the end of the previous section not the start of the current

12 00:10:00 andy753421 it depends on \z1 being defined to the string of ='s for the current section

12 00:11:00 tommost Okay, yeah. I wasn't sure what that was about.

12 00:11:00 tommost Is this a vim thing?

12 00:11:00 andy753421 yes, also, \%$ is the end of file

12 00:11:00 andy753421 syn region wikiFold start="^\z($=\{1,6}$\)[^=]*\1 *$" end="$\_s*\n\(\%$\|\(\(=\{1,6}$[^=]*\4 *$\)\&$\z1=$\@!\)\)\@=" transparent fold keepend

12 00:12:00 andy753421 and then ':set foldmethod=syntax' to fold wikipedia sections

12 00:13:00 andy753421 I would guess you could do something similar to get python indention to auto fold itself

12 00:13:00 auchter am i the only one who thinks that andy's a masochist?

12 00:13:00 Morasique well, he does use vim

12 00:15:00 tommost auchter: I think he's awesome.

12 00:26:00 Morasique tommost: i appreciate you making me feel like a failure, btw

12 00:34:00 auchter collinjc: hey, do we have anything due in ece332 tomorrow?

12 00:34:00 collinjc auchter: No, not until Tuesday, I believe.

12 00:35:00 auchter ok, that'd the memo, right (he had to announce this on the one day i didn't have my laptop...)

12 00:35:00 auchter s/'d/'d be /

12 00:37:00 collinjc Yes, that's the one.

12 00:48:00 tommost andy753421: Where do we stand on the paper?

12 00:49:00 andy753421 i've been filling in a bit more, *looking at the page* i like those diagrams you made

12 00:49:00 andy753421 what did you do those in?

12 00:49:00 tommost I've put SVG versions in the repository.

12 00:49:00 tommost Inkscape.

12 00:49:00 andy753421 alright

12 00:50:00 andy753421 glares at auchter

12 00:50:00 tommost glares at auchter

12 00:50:00 andy753421 the electronics sections seems strangely empty..

12 00:50:00 Morasique i was glaring at auchter before it was cool to glare at auchter

12 00:50:00 tommost glares at jboticsource

12 00:50:00 Morasique glares at luglog

12 00:50:00 tommost glares at Morasique

12 00:50:00 auchter i'll start on it once i finish this problem (i'm on the last part now...)

12 00:51:00 andy753421 auchter: alright, we need to have it turned in today/tomorrow

12 00:51:00 auchter so i've heard

12 00:51:00 auchter how convenient that he times out

12 00:51:00 auchter glares at kleinjt

12 00:56:00 auchter glares at igvc

12 00:57:00 tommost Because it's totally IGVC's fault, you see.

12 00:57:00 auchter excellent week they chose to have it due

12 00:57:00 tommost Oh, indeed.

12 00:58:00 tommost But excellent us for not being aware of the due date.

12 00:58:00 tommost glares at Kevin Wigasdfasdfjjjasdf

12 00:58:00 auchter hmm, those diagrams are awfully nice...

12 00:58:00 auchter i've been doing the diagrams for my presentation in xfig, perhaps i should give inkscape a tryu

12 00:59:00 andy753421 you could try dia

12 00:59:00 Morasique or you could skip a step and just shoot yourself in the head now

12 00:59:00 auchter i did, i ended up fighting with it

12 00:59:00 andy753421 i guess i'm the only one who likes dia :(

12 00:59:00 auchter xfig's ability to glue objects together is nice

12 00:59:00 auchter plus, xfig's interface is glorious

12 01:00:00 Morasique i'll have to try xfig and inkscape, i've never found a diagram maker i like on linux

12 01:00:00 Morasique i'm installing inkscape now, off ubuntu's blazingly fast servers

12 01:00:00 Morasique 14.4mb = 3 minutes

12 01:00:00 tommost It was a pretty manual process in Inkscape for me, though Inkscape has a diagram tool that I didn't use.

12 01:00:00 tommost Not that it took very long, since I know Inkscape pretty well.

12 01:19:00 Morasique heck yes. my "java" "compiler" has methods with multi-valued return. that'll blow your mind

12 01:20:00 tommost OMGPython.

12 01:20:00 Morasique die

12 01:20:00 Morasique i pretty much did it the python way, it's just syntactic sugar for boxing in an Object[]

12 01:20:00 tommost What exactly is this project that you've been working on for so long?

12 01:21:00 Morasique it's for compilers, it's a compiler for "minijava"

12 01:21:00 Morasique which is java but with like 10 features

12 01:23:00 tommost andy753421: Is there anything else that I should add to the software section?

12 01:32:00 andy753421 tommost: hold on, let me look over it

12 01:32:00 andy753421 also, where did you put those SVG files?

12 01:32:00 tommost In the paper directory in the administrative repository.

12 01:59:00 andy753421 tommost: that looks good, you can add more stuff if you want/think of things though

12 02:00:00 tommost Well, we're supposed to address object avoidance and image processing, but they're more your domains.

12 02:00:00 tommost I have another paper to write, too.

12 02:00:00 andy753421 yea, that's what I was thinking, i'll write down what we have and then make up the rest

12 02:03:00 andy753421 so, are we going to have ultrasonic rangefinder on it?

12 02:03:00 tommost No, auchter shot that down.

12 02:03:00 tommost He hates the things. Unreliable, apparently.

12 02:04:00 andy753421 :( but i had a great metaphor for the robots control systems

12 02:04:00 andy753421 "A one-eyed man with a cane"

12 02:05:00 auchter if the cane randomly changed lengths so the user has no perception of actual distance, that would work

12 02:05:00 tommost laughs

12 02:05:00 tommost :-)

12 02:05:00 auchter which is essentially what the rangefinders do

12 02:05:00 andy753421 i suppose he'd have to be deaf too

12 02:28:00 tommost jboticsource: How's it coming?

12 02:28:00 jboticsource it is started

12 02:28:00 jboticsource i am about 2 nap

12 02:28:00 jboticsource and finish it lator

12 02:28:00 jboticsource i know it is due today

12 02:29:00 jboticsource i will have it donw

12 02:29:00 jboticsource latorz

12 02:29:00 tommost I'm thinking that I'll do some copy editing 2nd and 3rd hours.

12 02:29:00 tommost But I'm going to bed now; I have an 8 a.m. tomorrow.

12 02:29:00 auchter so this is due today

12 02:29:00 tommost Yes.

12 02:29:00 auchter how do we have to turn it in

12 02:30:00 tommost Mail.

12 02:30:00 tommost It will be late.

12 02:30:00 andy753421 tommost: isn't there a email option too (if i remember, we need to do both)

12 02:30:00 tommost andy753421: When will you be converting it to LaTeX?

12 02:30:00 tommost Yeah. And mail electronic versions on CD-ROM, too.

12 02:31:00 andy753421 sometime tomorrow afternoon (before 5)

12 02:32:00 auchter also, i don't live far away from warren... if it would save a day, i could perhaps have someone there print it out and mail it

12 02:32:00 tommost Okay, then I'll do copy editing on the wiki.

12 02:35:00 tommost auchter: That might be a good idea.

12 02:45:00 auchter ok, i've got some basic outlining done for the electrical section. i'll be in the lab around 3:25 tomorrow to work on it

12 11:04:00 bolandmg Oh Lawd

12 11:04:00 bolandmg Take for example Apple Computers, makers of the popular Macintosh line of computers. The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (MacOS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under

12 11:05:00 Morasique where's this from?

12 11:05:00 bolandmg http://objectiveministries.org/creation/propaganda.html

12 11:05:00 bolandmg hooray for the internet

12 11:07:00 bolandmg haha and then they mention how Hexley is meant to make children using OS X worship Satan

12 11:08:00 Morasique :D i like the part about pokemon. they should make a church-friendly version of pokemon where the pokemon are replaced by god instead of evolving

12 11:08:00 Morasique wait, hexley performs black magic? cool!

12 11:10:00 bolandmg haha chariots of fire every time a Pokemon reaches a certain level

12 11:11:00 Morasique apparently dawkins uses macs. thus, he is satan

12 11:12:00 Morasique "While many Creationists are content to ignore Mr. Dawkins and his quasiquixotic quest to vanquish the Watchmaker (i.e. kill God,) we shouldn't turn a blind eye to this tinkerer, for he makes his own brand of diabolical watches -- watches that tell not time, but lies!"

12 11:12:00 Morasique that last part actually made me laugh out loud, that's awesome

12 11:13:00 bolandmg hahaha wow

12 11:14:00 bolandmg looks at wrist, sees that Satan is Lord.

12 11:14:00 bolandmg should have probably bought a Rolex instead.

12 11:19:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerin_oil

12 11:19:00 kleinjt auchter: I'll be in the CS lab today to work on it at around 3:30.

12 11:53:00 tommost So where do we stand on the paper?

12 11:53:00 jboticsource it will be done

12 11:56:00 jboticsource (religious voice)

12 11:56:00 tommost :)

12 11:57:00 luggod blasphemy!

12 11:57:00 lugsatan MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

12 11:58:00 Morasique well, that was fun

12 15:14:00 tommost Robotics paper status?

12 15:15:00 auchter isn't it on the wiki?

12 15:15:00 tommost It does not appear to be complete.

12 15:15:00 tommost When jboticsource comes online nag him about it.

12 15:16:00 tommost I'm going to take a nap.

12 15:16:00 auchter ok, i'm going to be heading to the cs lab to work on it for a bit

12 16:15:00 kleinjt auchter: Is the paper writing party over in the CS lab?

12 16:35:00 auchter kleinjt: yeah, you should probaly add stuff to the copy on the wiki

12 16:35:00 auchter kill switch and whatever esle you can think of

12 17:03:00 Blazeix Zeta_RHIT, TBoneULS: When do you want to work on Econ?

12 17:08:00 Zeta_RHIT 6 or 7 ish

12 17:08:00 Zeta_RHIT Baty's dealing with his car atm

12 17:10:00 Zeta_RHIT so IAIT is replacing w/ 100GB drives now

12 17:11:00 Blazeix yep

12 17:11:00 Morasiqu2 they have been for awhile i think

12 17:11:00 Blazeix we have 80s and 100s

12 17:45:00 andy753421 feels sorry for addiator

12 17:47:00 Blazeix what the hell is sicklenl doing on addiator?

12 17:48:00 Blazeix Three separate processes all with 9999% CPU usage. Impressive

12 17:48:00 Morasiqu2 holy crap

12 17:48:00 Blazeix now 4

12 17:48:00 Morasiqu2 he has about a million processes running

12 17:49:00 Morasiqu2 i have never seen this before, i should save this output

12 17:49:00 Blazeix He lives in BSB004.

12 17:50:00 Blazeix I should pop on over there and ask him what's going on

12 17:50:00 Morasiqu2 are you in our room?

12 17:50:00 Morasiqu2 yes, you really should

12 17:50:00 Morasiqu2 i just line counted it, he has 146166 processes running

12 17:51:00 Blazeix sicklenl knows about it

12 17:51:00 Morasiqu2 tell him to knock it off

12 17:52:00 Blazeix run away processes for their OS shell program.

12 17:52:00 Blazeix Apparently Merkle is supposed to be taking care of it.

12 17:52:00 Morasiqu2 146166 of them?

12 17:52:00 Blazeix fork bomb?

12 17:52:00 Morasiqu2 the load average is 16

12 17:52:00 Blazeix With Merkle, on the job, we can be sure that it will be fixed in a timely manner.

12 17:52:00 Blazeix damn comma.

12 17:53:00 Morasiqu2 i'm in the cs lab, i might go yell at him

12 17:54:00 Blazeix Go for it. BSB005 will be responsible for saving addiator.

12 17:55:00 Morasiqu2 this would be an excellent time for somebody to point out to IAIT that andy753421's limits would have prevented this

12 17:55:00 Blazeix I was just about to say that addiator should have some safeguards.

12 17:56:00 Blazeix and/or competent sysadmins

12 17:56:00 Morasique the output from ps is 10mb. that amuses me

12 18:02:00 Morasique Blazeix: why doesn't he just kill the processes? we're trying to use addiator right now, it sucks huge

12 18:03:00 Blazeix I'm not sure. Maybe he can't log in since he spawned the processes or something

12 18:03:00 Morasique he's logged in now

12 18:09:00 andy753421 tell him to run 'kill -9 -1'

12 18:10:00 Morasique i tried sending him a message, i didn't get any response

12 18:10:00 andy753421 Morasique: an addiator message, or an im/email?

12 18:10:00 Morasique addiator

12 18:10:00 andy753421 i'm guessing that with that many process he won't be responding to writes..

12 18:10:00 andy753421 that is, if he knows how

12 18:11:00 Blazeix andy753421: what does the -1 do?

12 18:12:00 Blazeix also, he doesn't need a pid?

12 18:12:00 Morasique the -1 is the pid, it's everything with pid > 1

12 18:12:00 Blazeix ahh

12 18:12:00 Morasique but he doesn't appear to be answering

12 18:12:00 Morasique i told him the command

12 18:12:00 andy753421 that keeps processes from spawning children as others are dieing

12 18:13:00 Blazeix Nate has left his room.

12 18:13:00 Blazeix Can't find him

12 18:13:00 Morasique awesome

12 18:13:00 Blazeix Nate being sicklenl

12 18:19:00 Morasique Blazeix: check if his computer is unlocked :D

12 18:22:00 andy753421 does anyone by any chance know what working directory that's being executed from, and/or have a copy of the source code?

12 18:26:00 Blazeix Morasique: He's back, but he can't seem to log in

12 18:26:00 Morasique iait should really just give us root on that machine

12 18:27:00 Blazeix (At least, its been hanging for the past 5 minutes)

12 18:27:00 Blazeix I gave him the command, and hopefully he'll get a prompt eventually.

12 18:27:00 Blazeix Apparently he sent an email to Merkle around 1 PM.

12 18:28:00 Morasique merkle wasn't in his office when i checked, i don't think he's too worried

12 18:28:00 Morasique what can merkle even do? professors don't have any special permission on addiator

12 18:28:00 rr72_ octavious~ was shoved into nick's room and forced to play CoD4 lol

12 18:28:00 rr72_ "You are going to sit here and play xbox"

12 18:29:00 Blazeix I could have sworn I saw archana with root permissions once

12 18:29:00 Blazeix I forget exactly what she was doing, but I thought it was odd at the time.

12 18:30:00 Morasique i know claude doesn't have any, he files tickets with iait all the time, and if he doesn't i doubt they give it to archana

12 18:30:00 Morasique are you sure it wasn't a CS machine? they have root on our servers

12 18:30:00 Blazeix Its quite possible that it was.

12 18:30:00 Blazeix I can't even log back into addiator now.

12 18:30:00 rr72_ Morasique~ you live in the basement right?

12 18:30:00 Morasique i'm on, but i can' tdo anything

12 18:30:00 Morasique yeah

12 18:31:00 rr72_ Iam sure I passed by your window

12 18:31:00 Morasique many have

12 18:31:00 rr72_ lol

12 18:31:00 rr72_ why would one need to use a modem to conenct to Rose?

12 18:32:00 Morasique professors use it from off campus sometimes, you don't ever need to

12 18:32:00 rr72_ oh to check their mail?

12 18:32:00 Morasique or whatever

12 18:32:00 rr72_ wait no, webmail right?

12 18:32:00 Morasique there is webmail, i don't know why they do it

12 18:32:00 Morasique it's not commonly used

12 18:33:00 rr72_ what is on the network? just liscenses for the programs right?

12 18:33:00 Morasique tons of stuff, all the course materials

12 18:33:00 rr72_ oh, ok

12 18:33:00 Blazeix A lot of application installers too.

12 18:34:00 Blazeix So, addiator just closed my ssh connection.

12 18:34:00 Blazeix I'm pretty sure it's hosed.

12 18:34:00 Morasique i tried to run ls and it froze

12 18:35:00 rr72_ uhm ok then

12 18:35:00 Morasique i can't believe they haven't fixed this yet

12 18:35:00 Morasique rr72_: ?

12 18:35:00 Morasique i keep meaning to bind "rr72: ?" to a hotkey

12 18:35:00 rr72_ nice

12 18:35:00 rr72_ don't bother :-P

12 18:35:00 Morasique wait. where'd he go?

12 18:36:00 Blazeix Morasique: He fooled your keybindg!

12 18:36:00 Blazeix s/keybindg/keybinding/

12 18:36:00 rrmm I WANT MY HOUSING FORM!!

12 18:36:00 rrmm maybe next week?

12 18:36:00 Morasique holy crap, who is that?

12 18:36:00 rrmm oh shit

12 18:36:00 rrmm i need to do the school crap

12 18:36:00 Blazeix We're waiting for the housing announcement for next year, too

12 18:43:00 auchter i just passed by merkle in the myer's building

12 18:43:00 Morasique attack him

12 18:43:00 Morasique iait is already gone, he should've done something 4 hours ago

12 18:45:00 auchter i'm rather amused by all this

12 18:57:00 andy753421 haha, now addiator's just filled with zombies

12 18:57:00 Morasique :D that's impressive

12 18:57:00 Morasique junkersa is in there a lot suddenly

12 18:59:00 auchter 129808 lines in ps aux...

12 18:59:00 Morasique that's down from what it was, i had 146166 earlier

12 18:59:00 auchter Load average: 14.41 6248.08 33178.97

12 19:00:00 Morasique that's excellent

12 19:02:00 rrmm do i get an email or snail mail for housing? email right? so then i just click it and go for BSB?

12 19:06:00 andy753421 it looks like the zombies are being reaped by init

12 19:07:00 Morasique apparently sicklenl raped addiator for a while until his machine didn't work, and then junkersa took over

12 19:08:00 Morasique my connection to rhit-1x works perfectly in the lab, and nowhere else

12 19:08:00 Morasique that confuses me

12 19:12:00 ferrela1 can anyone tell me how to tell if a list contains an element in python?

12 19:12:00 ferrela1 (a certain element, that is)

12 19:13:00 Morasique <value> in <list>

12 19:15:00 ferrelaj oh. Cuz that's not obvious

12 19:15:00 ferrelaj Morasique: thanks

12 19:17:00 Morasique addiator is fixed

12 19:32:00 andy753421 somebody remind me to go to the sga meeting tomorrow

12 19:52:00 rrmm just got my letter

12 19:52:00 rrmm it says wait for another letter

12 19:53:00 rrmm gawd!

12 19:54:00 pitybot hugs rrmm

12 19:54:00 rrmm Morasique~ wtg

12 19:54:00 rrmm n=mrozekma@137.112.138.134 n=mrozekma@137.112.138.134

12 19:54:00 rrmm they match

12 19:54:00 Morasique no kidding

12 21:02:00 octavious auchter: ever heard of Transcending Bizarre?

12 21:15:00 auchter octavious: not until just now... sounds like something i might like

12 22:00:00 tommost http://www.theserverside.com/tt/knowledgecenter/knowledgecenter.tss?l=MetalMeetsJVM

12 22:09:00 tommost jboticsource: How's the paper coming?

12 23:45:00 tommost "... Great tips—I’d use these if I wasn’t still scarred from the time vim encrypted my file instead of saving it because I had caps lock on by mistake." --Simon Willison

12 23:50:00 auchter heh, you learn new things about vim every day... i didn't know it could encrypt

12 23:51:00 andy753421 jboticsource: paper?

12 23:51:00 jboticsource on its way

12 23:51:00 jboticsource it should be done in teh early morning

12 23:51:00 andy753421 alright, are you typing it in word or somethign?

12 23:51:00 jboticsource yes

12 23:52:00 andy753421 hm... you're planning on copying it the the wiki, right?

12 23:52:00 jboticsource yes

12 23:52:00 andy753421 alright

12 23:52:00 Morasique word has an awesome export to html feature, you should break that out

12 23:52:00 jboticsource ok

12 23:52:00 auchter ...

12 23:52:00 tommost smacks Morasique on the head

12 23:52:00 andy753421 words exported HTML can be used to scare small children

12 23:53:00 auchter i thought that was powerpc's memory organization

12 23:54:00 auchter s/organization/management/

12 23:54:00 tommost jboticsource: Word's export-to-"HTML" feature is why the UGVC rules page looks so crappy.

12 23:55:00 Morasique i keep telling myself not to be sarcastic on here. but then i do it anyway

12 23:56:00 Morasique i think it's involuntary

12 23:56:00 Blazeix Yeah, like we'd believe that

12 23:56:00 Morasique it's possible i was being sarcastic. i'm not sure

12 23:56:00 tommost Let's put it to the test: Plan9.

12 23:56:00 Morasique YAY!

12 23:57:00 Blazeix Alive and well.

12 23:57:00 tommost Yeah, he's in control.

12 23:58:00 auchter also, for bunches of fun, go to igvc.org and switch off the css

12 23:58:00 auchter (:invum for vimperator users)

12 23:58:00 auchter erm, :set invum

12 23:59:00 tommost I had to Greasemonkey the page to set all of the text to black... otherwise random patches would try to take on Firefox's default color, white, and be unreadable.

12 23:59:00 Blazeix my god, igvc.org is an impressive fail.

12 23:59:00 tommost But hey, the have an favicon!

13 00:00:00 Morasique is it animated? your site isn't cool until your favicon is animated

13 00:01:00 auchter my favicon.ico is a ~4MB file of data from urandom

13 00:01:00 tommost Just to punish IE users?

13 00:02:00 auchter i've heard no complaints.

13 00:02:00 tommost You're just hoping to trigger an IE crashing bug, aren't you.

13 00:02:00 auchter favicons are stupid and have no business filling my logs

13 00:03:00 Morasique i enjoy the one line IE crashes, i should stumble send all of them

13 00:03:00 tommost Yeah, they are annoying that way.

13 00:03:00 tommost I just add a line to my .htaccess. Problem solved.

13 00:03:00 andy753421 auchter: you should symlink urandom to favicon.ico

13 00:04:00 auchter brilliant, and done.

13 00:06:00 auchter doesn't seem to (a|e)ffect IE

13 00:06:00 Blazeix a

13 00:06:00 Morasique b!

13 00:06:00 Blazeix c

13 00:07:00 tommost I get a 404 at phire.org/favicon.ico

13 00:07:00 Blazeix aww

13 00:07:00 Morasique tommost: fail

13 00:07:00 auchter freya.phire.org

13 00:07:00 auchter phire.org's my apartment, i care about my bandwidth

13 00:07:00 tommost That explains why it loads so slowly.

13 00:07:00 tommost But nothing's loading from freya.

13 00:08:00 auchter ah, i probably have follow symlinks off...

13 00:08:00 Morasique nub

13 00:09:00 auchter well, i need to get back to work

13 00:09:00 tommost Same here.

13 00:09:00 Blazeix Hi zaszamonde

13 00:09:00 Morasique Blazeix: you are on drugs

13 00:09:00 Blazeix That won't make sense to anyone not in this room

13 00:09:00 Blazeix as in physical room

13 00:10:00 auchter explain yourselves

13 00:10:00 Blazeix Every time Morasique or I reference the IRC conversation, zaszamonde reads the irc logs

13 00:10:00 Morasique Blazeix sees ghosts on irc

13 00:10:00 Morasique ...there's no cure

13 00:11:00 Blazeix Also, its hard to type zaszamonde when I can't use tab autocompletion

13 00:18:00 tommost d

13 00:18:00 Morasique i think there was a timeout in there somewhere

13 00:18:00 tommost SYN

13 00:18:00 Blazeix tommost: good recovery

13 00:19:00 Morasique PONG. now you're confused

13 00:47:00 auchter also, SGA meeting tomorrow at 5:30 (i think, i haven't heard anything from jordan recently)

13 00:47:00 auchter last time we had three people, which is probably the max we need

13 00:48:00 Blazeix I, unfortunately, will not be able to go.

13 00:48:00 Blazeix I imagine tommost won't be able to go either, since he and I both have to be at the same meeting.

13 00:48:00 auchter yeah, it's not really a big deal

13 00:48:00 Blazeix we should probably have someone go though.

13 00:48:00 Blazeix SGA might not like it if we set them up.

13 00:48:00 auchter well, i'll definitely be going

13 00:53:00 Morasique i can't go. i assume andy753421 will be there

13 00:57:00 andy753421 i'll be there, although, someone might have to remind me

13 00:58:00 auchter ok, will do

13 00:59:00 auchter TBoneULS: since you did such an excellent job speaking in front of SGA last time, you should probably go as well

13 04:06:00 andy753421 auchter: the 180 Amp circuit breaker is out of stock, can we use a 150 amp or 200 amp instead?

13 04:18:00 jboticsource can someone link me to the place on the site where we need 2 upload the reports?

13 06:11:00 ferrelaj http://www.theserverside.com/tt/knowledgecenter/knowledgecenter.tss?l=MetalMeetsJVM

13 06:11:00 ferrelaj any thoughts on the first answer?

13 06:23:00 collinjc If Java is so much faster now, I would hate to have seen it prior to 1998.

13 06:28:00 ferrelaj lol, indeed.

13 06:29:00 ferrelaj I was particularly interested in "pretty much as a direct result of that, Java became fast enough that the question of why you should use Java or C for speed, disappeared"

13 06:29:00 collinjc Exactly. I often find myself torn between the two when performance is an issue.

13 06:30:00 ferrelaj I know that I often can't decide. Sometimes I wish that C had the raw power that I seem to get from java. ;-)

13 06:30:00 collinjc Hahahaha!

13 06:31:00 ferrelaj collinjc: You're working on Cyan this summer correct?

13 06:32:00 collinjc Yes, I am.

13 06:32:00 ferrelaj ok. Just trying to connect faces with names, and digital personas

13 06:32:00 ferrelaj :-D

13 06:32:00 collinjc Which project are you working on?

13 06:33:00 ferrelaj Umm, I think Treck

13 06:33:00 ferrelaj though I have been known to work on just about every project in that room, (and some that aren't) except handshake

13 06:33:00 ferrelaj lol. Most officially I'm the team-lead for treck though

13 06:33:00 collinjc Haha! Awesome.

13 06:34:00 ferrelaj ya. I kinda worked on Cyan for like, 2 weeks (Sandor and I did the initial working prototype of the LCD display they've become so fond of ;-))

13 06:34:00 ferrelaj I also am (for the moment) the only person working on Cummins (and the only person who knows wth is going on for that anyway)

13 06:35:00 collinjc Cool! Yeah, I have never heard any of the details of that project other than the client is Cummins.

13 06:36:00 collinjc As a result, I am convinced that it is dealing with nuclear warfare.

13 06:36:00 ferrelaj Indeed it may be

13 06:36:00 ferrelaj not even Sandor really has any idea what's happening behind the UI

13 06:36:00 ferrelaj lol. Except me

13 06:37:00 collinjc Wow.

13 06:37:00 ferrelaj Who wants to understand VBA anyway?

13 06:37:00 collinjc Hahaha!

13 06:38:00 ferrelaj I'm not kidding. I did a project for Brian (Sandor's boss) last summer in VBA (an Excel Macro) now anytime a client mentions either VBA or excel, my name comes up. This is not an association I appreciate

13 06:39:00 collinjc I haven't even done as much as looked at VBA since my freshman year of high school.

13 06:39:00 ferrelaj I was happy to have passed over that portion of life in general. Until I got recruited

13 06:41:00 collinjc Indeed. I can only hope that I will never be recruited to program nuclear weapons for an engine company in VBA.

13 06:41:00 ferrelaj lol. If so, don

13 06:41:00 ferrelaj 't put it on your resume ;-)

13 06:41:00 ferrelaj He's trying to hire a physics Major with no VBA experience to do it over the summer...

13 06:42:00 ferrelaj and I'll be "consulting" ... however that works

13 06:42:00 collinjc Hmmm... Interesting. Sounds more like you may end up teaching VBA to a physics major. Which I'm sure would be a boatload of fun.

13 06:44:00 ferrelaj haha. Indeed. I'll be sure to point him your way tho, so you can relive your highschool memories ;-)

13 06:45:00 collinjc Oooh, awesome. I can't wait to tell him about exciting things such as creating random number generators, ASCII code grabbers, and craptacular games.

13 06:45:00 ferrelaj haha, ya

13 06:46:00 ferrelaj apparently you can do 3d rendering in Excel

13 06:46:00 ferrelaj I told Sandor I drew the line waaaay before that

13 06:46:00 collinjc Wow. That's just wrong.

13 06:46:00 ferrelaj That was my thought exactly

13 06:47:00 ferrelaj people in my apt. building are leaving for work. I haven't gone to bed yet. This depresses me.

13 06:49:00 collinjc Ahh, Rose life.

13 06:49:00 ferrelaj yaaaa.... sucks

13 09:09:00 tommost_aorist So, not only did they reinstate bandwidth quotas but IAIT felt the need to spam us about it, too.

13 09:09:00 collinjc I'm tempted to submit a ticket saying that they are sending duplicate emails.

13 09:10:00 tommost_aorist Do it.

13 09:12:00 tommost_aorist Don

13 09:12:00 tommost_aorist 't forget to include the phrase "wasted bandwidth". ;)

13 09:12:00 collinjc Hahaha! I will definitely include that.

13 09:14:00 tommost_aorist Does the bandwidth quota apply during the summer? Because if it does, I hate pretty much everyone on campus now.

13 09:15:00 collinjc I really hope not. I was looking forward to being on campus this summer with no cap.

13 09:15:00 collinjc "An exact replica of an all campus email concerning bandwidth limits was reproduced and sent again to the entire campus. This is deteriorating from my newly reinstated 3GB and 5GB limits."

13 09:16:00 tommost_aorist Better "This is an unnecessary tax on Rose's already straining information technology infrastructure." (second sentence).

13 09:17:00 collinjc Haha! Too late, sadly. I already sent it.

13 09:18:00 collinjc I look forward to a meaningful response from them.

13 09:18:00 tommost_aorist "Thank you for showing so much faith in the ability of Microsoft Exchange to reliably transmit your e-mail. I will be sure to display the same faith myself, particularly when large attachments are involved."

13 09:19:00 collinjc Hahahahaha!

13 09:23:00 collinjc "My apologies. I sent the first email out in my name in error. I will not dignify the remainder of your email with a response."

13 09:23:00 tommost_aorist applauds collinjc

13 09:24:00 collinjc Hilarious.

13 09:27:00 kleinjt the bandwidth usage charts are epic

13 09:29:00 collinjc WHOA! That's awesome.

13 09:29:00 collinjc There is no way that is accurate.

13 09:29:00 auchter also, the freshmen get nice laptops.

13 09:30:00 collinjc 4GB of RAM. Indeed they did.

13 10:42:00 Morasique blazeix just noticed this: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/internet_connections/network_statistics/Internet_Link_Utilization_1Day.png

13 10:42:00 Morasique it's as if a thousand bittorrenting freshman cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced. i feel oddly happy right now

13 10:43:00 Morasique apparently they stopped collecting data for 4 hours or something

13 10:44:00 Blazeix kleinjt drew my attention do it.

13 10:44:00 Morasique oh. i should read the logs more carefully

13 10:44:00 andy753421 i wonder how many people are going to go over the bandwidth limit during the next day or two

13 10:45:00 Morasique i was too lazy to ever stop my bandwidth monitoring program from opening on startup, my laziness has paid off

13 10:49:00 Morasique http://137.112.138.172/email_bg.png

13 10:49:00 Morasique why would you choose that background? is she trying to confuse OCR or something?

13 10:49:00 Morasique it looks terrible on my LCD

13 10:51:00 Morasique also, incoming freshman having a hard drive twice the size of mine makes me sad inside

13 10:53:00 Morasique Blazeix: i need you to requisition freshman hard drives for my personal use

13 10:56:00 andy753421 hey, they've got nvidias graphics cards, that should make installfests easier

13 10:56:00 andy753421 and, oh man, V.92 modems!

13 10:57:00 Morasique wow, the video card is right there. i scanned the whole page looking for it and didn't see it anywhere

13 10:58:00 Blazeix I'm sitting behind some IAIT people in class; they're talking about collinjc's email

13 11:00:00 Morasique i don't think you can actually say "i'm not dignifying your e-mail with a response", you have to actually not respond. somebody should let her know

13 11:04:00 Morasique i went to the network usage tool and had LDAPSearch saved as my username. I'm not sure how that happened

13 11:06:00 Morasique iait should probably add the link at http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/tools/

13 11:09:00 Blazeix It doesn't say on the webpage, but I believe the freshman laptops will have XP on them, rather than Vista.

13 11:09:00 Morasique Blazeix: they will, iait mentioned it somewhere, maybe the kernel

13 11:09:00 Blazeix I should probably read that.

13 11:12:00 Morasique i'm not sure what they're going to do when microsoft drops xp, i guess they'll change the images to vista before that and hope people need reimaging

13 12:21:00 auchter http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1533212

13 12:21:00 auchter enjoy your upgrades

13 12:28:00 Morasique wow. that's brilliant

13 12:33:00 tommost_aorist Oh, fuck.

13 12:53:00 Morasique i added a debian repository to my sources list so i could update openssh and now lsb_release crashes

13 12:53:00 Morasique apparently lsb_release gets run a lot

13 12:54:00 Morasique my machine is unhappy

13 13:06:00 Morasique tommost_aorist: http://lug.phire.org/mw/index.php?title=User:Tomwm&curid=1345&diff=2563&oldid=2385 :D

13 13:10:00 Morasique tommost_aorist: this might be the firefox problem you've been having: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/05/howto-fix-firefox-and-epiphany-web.html

13 13:22:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/3btes831.html

13 13:22:00 auchter oh, so that's how you paste in putty...

13 13:53:00 octavious i am really upset they put the bandwidth caps back on

13 13:57:00 Zeta_RHIT well, they needed to be back on from what I saw

13 13:57:00 jboticsource octavious: the sga voted so as their constituents did not like the no cap

13 13:57:00 Zeta_RHIT they just need to update them to reality

13 13:57:00 Zeta_RHIT like 5/10 GB

13 13:57:00 Zeta_RHIT for 24/72

13 13:57:00 jboticsource we need a bigger pipe

13 13:57:00 Morasique i'm thrilled they put them back on, the network was slowly dying

13 13:58:00 Zeta_RHIT 5/10 >> 3/5 without fucking the network

13 13:58:00 Zeta_RHIT The other thing they didn't do is prioritize anything dorm side

13 13:58:00 Zeta_RHIT they told me they let bittorrent have the same priority as http when I asked earlier today

13 13:59:00 Morasique yeah, they screwed the dorms hardcore, everytime i go to the lab it's like discovering high-speed internet for the first time

13 13:59:00 Zeta_RHIT *yesterday

13 13:59:00 Morasique oh, i see what you mean. most people probably use encrypted bittorrent anyway

13 13:59:00 Zeta_RHIT well, you can even tell enc. bittorrent, to be honest

13 13:59:00 Zeta_RHIT the traffic pattern is very unique

13 13:59:00 Zeta_RHIT not hard to tell

13 14:00:00 Morasique oh, i didn't know that. they really should've done that then, bittorrent single-handedly destroyed our attempt at no caps

13 14:00:00 Zeta_RHIT nodndos

13 14:00:00 Zeta_RHIT nodnods

13 14:00:00 Zeta_RHIT It was a stunt by IAIT management as far as I can tell

13 14:00:00 Zeta_RHIT to get everyone to think they caps were a good thing

13 14:00:00 Zeta_RHIT *the

13 14:01:00 octavious not me. i enjoyed my freedom

13 14:01:00 octavious but then I am not a gamer

13 14:01:00 octavious and 99% of Rose games online and constantly complained..

13 14:01:00 Zeta_RHIT well, no caps can work

13 14:01:00 Zeta_RHIT they just need to set priorities

13 14:02:00 Morasique gaming was the worst, but just normal network traffic was pretty bad too, everytime i need to download something it takes forever

13 14:02:00 Zeta_RHIT They intentionally did not, and everyone went scrambling back to them going "please set them again!"

13 14:02:00 Morasique i had to download tomcat yesterday for a meeting i had in maybe 15 minutes, it's like a 10mb file and it didn't finish in time

13 14:03:00 Zeta_RHIT Morasique: I experienced similar issues with all traffic

13 14:03:00 Morasique Zeta_RHIT: it's possible they really are just that incompetent, but you're probably right

13 14:03:00 octavious aparently they whiped the cap violation history...

13 14:03:00 jboticsource intresting

13 14:03:00 Morasique nice

13 14:04:00 Morasique they started us off with the bandwidth we've actually used over the last three days though, i wish i'd known that before i downloaded a bunch of doctor who yesterday

13 14:04:00 Zeta_RHIT I figured they'd do that

13 14:04:00 Zeta_RHIT and that anyone running torrents at the time would be fuxxored

13 14:05:00 Morasique :D they should randomly turn caps on and off trying to catch people unaware

13 14:05:00 Morasique they should shut them off at night or something

13 14:07:00 Zeta_RHIT Without the proper prioritizing, there'd be a similar issue

13 14:09:00 Morasique well, presumably at night there's less people getting screwed by the terrible network, although that's probably not true here

13 14:12:00 Zeta_RHIT Basically, monkeys on acid admin better than IAIT... at least they can't type in the passwords to change things after you set it up properly and lock them in a room

13 14:12:00 jboticsource if we just got a bigger pipe, there would be less of an issue

13 14:13:00 jboticsource there is no reason for a school like this to have such crappy interwebs

13 14:13:00 Morasique jboticsource: no kidding, but they won't do it

13 14:13:00 Morasique this is an alternative solution that would be easy for them to implement at no additional cost

13 14:14:00 jboticsource true

13 14:14:00 jboticsource i am going to lobby next year in sga for a bigger pipe

13 14:14:00 octavious do it..

13 14:14:00 Zeta_RHIT I think we need to lobby rose to fix IAIT

13 14:14:00 Zeta_RHIT that's the cause of all the issues

13 14:14:00 jboticsource are they?

13 14:14:00 Zeta_RHIT even the current pipe would be okay with competent management

13 14:15:00 octavious well, i was talking to some people and they said that IAIT changed during the midgley era

13 14:16:00 octavious apparently years ago they used to have open meetings where any student could come and voice there opinion

13 14:16:00 octavious and i think midgley was trying to do some administrative reorganization of IAIT

13 14:17:00 octavious and i dont know exactly what happened, but they got pissed, and now dont seem connected to campus life at ALL

13 14:18:00 jboticsource if anything should be connected with us, it is the department that lets us communicate with the rest of the world

13 14:20:00 Zeta_RHIT I've talked to hayes about the vpn issue, for example

13 14:20:00 Morasique did hayes do anything?

13 14:20:00 Zeta_RHIT He said one of the VP of rose is in charge

13 14:21:00 Zeta_RHIT of IAIt

13 14:21:00 Zeta_RHIT we have to go to him to get change/file complaints

13 14:21:00 Zeta_RHIT I think if we did it as a large group, we'd be inclined to get somewhere

13 14:32:00 Morasique is there a way to get thunderbird to filter based on the body of an e-mail? i get why it doesn't have the option normally, but is there some way to make it do it anyway?

13 14:38:00 andy753421 Morasique: you could have maildrop write headers based on the contents of the body :P

13 14:38:00 andy753421 (that's actually a fairly common way to do things, for example, that's how spamassassin works)

13 15:10:00 tommost I miss talk of The Hoove.

13 15:10:00 tommost It's far too quiet in here.

13 15:11:00 Zeta_RHIT shudders...

13 15:11:00 Zeta_RHIT I miss nothing about hoover and never will

13 15:11:00 Zeta_RHIT I'm just glad I got my registration pin two quarters in a row w/o seeing him

13 15:12:00 Zeta_RHIT email ftw

13 15:12:00 tommost As I'll never have to take a class from him, I found the frustrations of people in his class amusing.

13 15:14:00 tommost Morasique: That particular change was made with a mind toward potential employers.

13 15:14:00 Morasique what?

13 15:14:00 tommost is reading the log

13 15:14:00 Morasique are you talking about thunderbird?

13 15:15:00 tommost is talking about his LUG wiki page.

13 15:15:00 Morasique oh, i see

13 15:36:00 tommost Morasique: Things have improved somewhat since I installed FlashBlock.

13 15:37:00 Morasique i suppose that would fix the problem too :). i like flash though

13 15:37:00 tommost I only occasionally actually need it—mainly it's annoying or at least unnecessary.

13 15:47:00 tommost Well, I just spent half an hour regenerating all of my ssh keys.

13 15:47:00 tommost That was fun.

13 15:47:00 Morasique i thought the update did it automatically

13 15:47:00 Morasique it looked like it did

13 15:48:00 tommost It regenerates the server keys but it doesn't touch the user ones, at least for me.

13 15:48:00 Morasique ah. i haven't looked at it

13 15:48:00 tommost Plus you still have to remove all of the references to old keys from authorized_hosts.

13 16:08:00 Morasique my network connection is worse than ever, i don't know what iait is doing

13 16:08:00 Morasique i'm getting half second pings to google

13 16:08:00 Morasique ooo, they've leveled out around 300ms. awesome

13 16:12:00 tommost God this is annoying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675

13 16:12:00 tommost It's still open since the last time I set up this server's SSL.

13 16:19:00 auchter is enjoying the 9700/1155 kb/s line he has all to himself

13 17:02:00 auchter andy753421: SGA meeting in a half an hour

13 17:09:00 andy753421 ok

13 17:31:00 jboticsource all right, lets get this club approved

13 17:37:00 rr72 auchter~ what isp?

13 17:39:00 tommost andy753421: Where are you?

13 17:40:00 tommost Are you at the SGA meeting?

13 17:40:00 andy753421 tommost: sitting in the back of the sga meeting

13 17:40:00 jboticsource auchter is

13 17:40:00 jboticsource and andy is

13 17:40:00 tommost Okay.

13 17:40:00 jboticsource i am looking at them

13 17:40:00 tommost Blazeix and I were worried for a moment when you logged in.

13 17:41:00 tommost Tell me when we get monies.

13 17:41:00 andy753421 tommost: probably not today

13 17:41:00 tommost You spoil my fun.

13 17:47:00 andy753421 SGA is now discussion the discussion on a vote...

13 17:47:00 andy753421 *discussing the discussion

13 17:48:00 andy753421 now they're voting to end discussion

13 17:48:00 andy753421 now they're *actually* voting

13 17:57:00 jboticsource we are speakign

13 17:58:00 tommost Goodie.

13 18:01:00 jboticsource gentleman, we are now a club

13 18:01:00 tommost Excellent.

13 18:01:00 Blazeix sweet!

13 18:01:00 tommost What's next on the getting monies front.

13 18:02:00 jboticsource we get a small sum to play with

13 18:02:00 tommost Promotional money?

13 18:02:00 jboticsource yea, somthing like that

13 18:16:00 auchter SGA's only complain was that "Linux Users Group" was too specific

13 18:16:00 auchter s/in/int/

13 18:17:00 tommost How so?

13 18:17:00 TBoneULS what? how can it be too specific?

13 18:17:00 tommost Did you talk about Plan9?

13 18:17:00 auchter no, though i did consider it...

13 18:18:00 tommost Did you mention the deceased MIG?

13 18:18:00 andy753421 i almost compared the guy who brought that up to rms, but i don't think anyone would have understood it..

13 18:18:00 kleinjt we could say that we are a lobbyist group to reform CS education or something

13 18:20:00 auchter the bureaucracy of SGA is amusing

13 18:20:00 jboticsourc1 lol yes it is

13 18:20:00 auchter when we were up there, it was obvious that no one knew what state they were in

13 18:21:00 andy753421 yea, they started recurring, and then lost track of where they were supposed to return to

13 18:22:00 auchter i couldn't help but laugh

13 18:22:00 tommost Control yourself. We want monies.

13 18:23:00 auchter i was laughing, and the vote was unanimous

13 18:23:00 andy753421 yea, we win, most of the other people were laughing too

13 18:24:00 tommost jboticsource: Why didn't you run for class president?

13 18:24:00 tommost Damn it.

13 18:24:00 Morasique fail

13 18:24:00 jboticsourc1 i was going 2

13 18:24:00 Morasique how is linux users group too specific but macintosh interest group isn't?

13 18:24:00 jboticsourc1 i will run for junior year

13 18:24:00 jboticsourc1 after i have some patents

13 18:25:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, their name should have been "iLifestyle Group"

13 18:25:00 jboticsourc1 under my belt

13 18:25:00 tommost I saw the candidate list and was quite disappointed.

13 18:25:00 jboticsourc1 yes

13 18:25:00 auchter or better, "iGroup"

13 18:25:00 jboticsourc1 i have lost faith in the freshman class

13 18:25:00 jboticsourc1 so i will wait until they are slightly non-retarded

13 18:27:00 tommost Well, you need to run for some sort of position.

13 18:27:00 tommost The robotics team needs a puppet on SGA. ;)

13 18:27:00 jboticsourc1 next year?

13 18:27:00 jboticsourc1 lol i am a senator for theta xi next year

13 18:27:00 jboticsourc1 so i will remain hooked in and able to pull for us

13 18:27:00 tommost Okay, that's good.

13 18:27:00 jboticsourc1 but u dont know that

13 18:28:00 jboticsourc1 ;)

13 18:28:00 andy753421 isn't povilusr runing?

13 18:28:00 tommost luglog does ;-)

13 18:28:00 auchter luglog needs selective memory

13 18:28:00 andy753421 hehe we need to elect luglog to SGA

13 18:28:00 jboticsourc1 it would be smarter

13 18:29:00 kleinjt markbot is the superior candidate, it could speak at the meetings

13 18:29:00 jboticsourc1 at least it could keep track of itself

13 18:29:00 auchter i don't even want to think about coding that logic

13 18:30:00 tommost I'd vote for window-pixie.

13 18:30:00 Morasique the internet is definitely still as bad as it was, either iait is sabotaging something or a lot of freshman are going to be going over their limits very soon

13 18:30:00 jboticsourc1 i hear that is the case with them

13 18:30:00 tommost Why do you always blame the freshman?

13 18:30:00 Blazeix Its usually their fault

13 18:30:00 kleinjt he is mad because our laptops are faster

13 18:30:00 jboticsourc1 cuz they are retarded

13 18:31:00 kleinjt and thus, we can aggregate content more effectively

13 18:31:00 Blazeix We live in BSB with a bunch of freshman, and sometimes they venture down into our cave.

13 18:31:00 tommost jboticsourc1: Stop saying these things. We want to keep your record clean.

13 18:31:00 Morasique because i live in a building full of freshman and know exactly how unintelligent they are

13 18:31:00 Morasique [---------------------------------------------------------------]

13 18:31:00 Morasique approximately that much

13 18:31:00 tommost I live in a building full of freshman too.

13 18:31:00 jboticsourc1 i have not seen such an unorganized and disabled group of people in a long time

13 18:31:00 Morasique yes, but you're blinded by being one of them

13 18:32:00 tommost It's true.

13 18:32:00 Morasique albeit a not stupid one

13 18:32:00 jboticsourc1 have u guys seen my resume?

13 18:32:00 tommost I do condemn many of those around me, though.

13 18:32:00 tommost jboticsourc1: It's very long.

13 18:32:00 tommost jboticsourc1: Far too long.

13 18:32:00 jboticsourc1 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~KINZIEJH/Jay_Kinzie_Resume_web.pdf

13 18:32:00 jboticsourc1 for those in question

13 18:32:00 jboticsourc1 i also transfered about 25 credits in

13 18:33:00 jboticsourc1 to start with

13 18:33:00 tommost Pssstt... Jay likes Legos. A lot.

13 18:33:00 jboticsourc1 this is a fact

13 18:33:00 tommost Jay, why are you bringing this up? Are you trying to separate you from the rest of us freshman neanderthals?

13 18:34:00 jboticsourc1 yep

13 18:34:00 Morasique ah. i was wondering what prompted this

13 18:35:00 jboticsourc1 i hate them so much

13 18:35:00 kleinjt Do you have any experience with planting trees and shrubs in cold climates? This is my main campaign issue.

13 18:35:00 kleinjt That, and I would like free shirts.

13 18:35:00 tommost Yes. Free shirts are important.

13 18:35:00 jboticsourc1 i do not have that type of experience

13 18:36:00 kleinjt No shirts, no votes.

13 18:36:00 jboticsourc1 ok

13 18:36:00 jboticsourc1 i will provide shirts lol

13 18:36:00 kleinjt No shirt, definitely no votes.

13 18:37:00 tommost You need a design, too.

13 18:37:00 jboticsourc1 i can use my company shirts lol

13 18:37:00 tommost I think that we technically had shirts this year, but I don't have any idea what the design was.

13 18:37:00 kleinjt they cost money to, iirc

13 18:38:00 tommost Because what's-her-name fails at sending e-mails where the picture is the picture you actually care about, instead of all the text as an image.

13 18:38:00 jboticsourc1 cheyanne arrowsling

13 18:38:00 tommost Also, I require that any candidate that I support sends all e-mails GPG signed.

13 18:38:00 jboticsourc1 lol

13 18:41:00 tommost Psst... we should impersonate Arrowsling and send out ridiculous e-mails to prove this point.

13 18:41:00 tommost LUG project!

13 18:44:00 andy753421 kleinjt: you need to campaign on free pants, free shirts are far to mainstream

13 18:44:00 jboticsourc1 free bras

13 18:45:00 kleinjt andy753421: I've thought about it, but pant sizes may be more variable. A free pants club may work better.

13 18:45:00 jboticsourc1 free tatoos

13 18:46:00 jboticsourc1 or socks

13 19:24:00 andy753421 does anyone know a latex command to do <dl><dt><dd> style lists?

13 19:27:00 andy753421 hmm.. '\being{description} \item[foo] \ \\' seems to work

13 19:40:00 kleinjt do we have a robotics meeting this week? I'm happy either way

13 19:40:00 tommost Yes, we do.

13 19:40:00 tommost I'll send out an e-mail.

13 19:40:00 kleinjt mmmkay, cause I fried everything the electrical team has to work on

13 19:40:00 jboticsourc1 great

13 21:52:00 TBoneULS check out the references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiblast

13 21:52:00 TBoneULS high class.

13 22:35:00 auchter andy753422: http://biosun1.harvard.edu/~paciorek/computingTips/How_do_I_place_figures.html

13 22:39:00 andy753422 ah, ok, i think the one i was thinking of was subfigure

13 22:41:00 tommost_aorist Slashdot tells me that my former ISP is now going to start inserting ads into web pages. All of my hatred for that company is doubly justified now.

13 22:42:00 andy753422 i think i like minipage's formatting better, although i'm confused how it labels the two figures seperately..

13 23:58:00 andy753422 robotics paper so far: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/

13 23:58:00 andy753422 er.. http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/2008-igvc-rhit.pdf

13 23:59:00 andy753422 I still need to write integration stuff :( but then i think it's done

14 00:00:00 tommost_aorist You should definitely remove the link under the wheels.

14 00:00:00 andy753422 ok, done

14 00:01:00 tommost_aorist Figure 7 is not a "diagram of the basic event loop"

14 00:01:00 tommost_aorist It's a "Diagram of Controller and Component initialization".

14 00:02:00 tommost_aorist jboticsourc1: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/2008-igvc-rhit.pdf

14 00:02:00 tommost_aorist Read and provide corrections.

14 00:02:00 andy753422 i'm going to head back to my room before it starts raining [more if it is already..]

14 00:03:00 andy753422 i'll read the log for corrections when i get back

14 00:03:00 tommost_aorist We need a paragraph of explanation after the one on the init system that sums up the software architecture. Modularity and all that.

14 00:04:00 tommost_aorist We need a "miscellaneous" category under hardware costs... just stuff, like $50 in there.

14 00:05:00 tommost_aorist Also, electronics has *definitely* spent more money than that.

14 00:05:00 tommost_aorist What about their circuit boards and components?

14 00:05:00 tommost_aorist auchter: Get on it.

14 00:17:00 andy753421 tommost_aorist: yea, i took out the microstrain, because I don't think anyone knows how much that costs, also we should add the computer

14 01:57:00 octavious we need lug shirts

14 01:57:00 octavious or lug suits

14 01:57:00 octavious lug jogging suits

14 01:57:00 jboticsourc6 i second that

14 01:57:00 Mishtal third

14 01:57:00 jboticsourc6 now that we are a club

14 01:57:00 jboticsourc6 we have 150 buck for club promotion

14 01:57:00 Mishtal oh? sga finally decided to make a decision?

14 01:57:00 Mishtal .. 150?

14 01:57:00 Mishtal meh, better than nothing

14 01:57:00 jboticsourc6 shirts would fit in that catagory

14 01:57:00 jboticsourc6 sga made that decision today

14 01:57:00 Mishtal i have a suggestion! we can spam all-campus with lug adverts!

14 01:57:00 jboticsourc6 actually

14 01:58:00 Mishtal :-D

14 01:58:00 jboticsourc6 always a solid plan

14 01:58:00 Mishtal does anyone have a design idea in mind for what lug shirts would look like?

14 01:59:00 jboticsourc6 prob a penguin somwhere

14 01:59:00 octavious i just want a jogging suit

14 01:59:00 octavious silver preferably

14 01:59:00 octavious can i get a 'seconded'??

14 01:59:00 jboticsourc6 robes

14 01:59:00 Mishtal shiny sliver? or regular silver?

14 01:59:00 Mishtal id prefer not to blind people

14 01:59:00 jboticsourc6 cloaks

14 02:00:00 Mishtal robes? cloaks?

14 02:00:00 Mishtal second!

14 02:00:00 jboticsourc6 bbl

14 02:00:00 octavious i do enjoy the cloak/robe idea

14 02:01:00 Mishtal i will wear a cloak/robe if given the chance. i would buy it myself if it came down to it

14 02:18:00 Blazeix We can just borrow the dorm shirts of one of the triplets.

14 02:18:00 Blazeix I forget which one, but one of them had tux on the back.

14 04:20:00 andy753421 [robotics] new version of paper is up with stuff about software algorithms and integration

14 04:20:00 jboticsourc1 sweet

14 04:20:00 andy753421 i plan an e-mailing/mailing/whatever it tomorrow around noon (or when I get up)

14 04:20:00 jboticsourc1 ok

14 04:20:00 andy753421 auchter: we still need more info on electronics prices

14 04:21:00 andy753421 oh, i forgot to put in the $50 misc hardware too

14 04:21:00 andy753421 jboticsourc1: do you still have all the purchases for SGA? if so, we can probably copy a lot of info off of that

14 04:22:00 jboticsourc1 yea i got em

14 04:22:00 jboticsourc1 they are on my desk

14 04:22:00 jboticsourc1 i was going 2 take them to our advisor 2marrow for approval

14 04:25:00 andy753421 alright

14 04:44:00 jboticsourc1 night

14 09:41:00 auchter andy753421: how specific should the prices be?

14 09:41:00 auchter would it be fine to just treat, for example, the motor controllers as one unit rather than delving into the individual components?

14 10:05:00 andy753421 auchter: yea, that's fine

14 12:36:00 cgiirc635 Is the 8.04 ubuntu cd available for download somewhere on the rose campus?

14 12:55:00 Morasique cgiirc635: i'm not positive, but i don't think it is

14 16:51:00 tommos1 Has the paper been sent yet?

14 16:52:00 andy753421 tommos1: i'm doing that right now

14 16:52:00 tommos1 And do we have someone going with us?

14 16:53:00 andy753421 ?

14 16:53:00 tommos1 A professor.

14 16:53:00 tommos1 See my e-mail.

14 16:53:00 andy753421 ah, i don't know

14 16:53:00 andy753421 i don't think we've identified anyone yet :/

14 16:54:00 andy753421 are we required to have someone go with us?

14 16:54:00 tommos1 Yes.

14 16:54:00 andy753421 why?

14 16:54:00 tommos1 Liability?

14 16:54:00 andy753421 the climbing club goes on trips all the time without a faculty member

14 16:55:00 tommos1 IIRC it's required by the competition.

14 16:55:00 andy753421 ah, ok

14 17:02:00 andy753421 er, crap, we need to get a signed statement by Padget for this

14 17:03:00 tommos1 Um, yes.

14 17:10:00 andy753421 also, i don't have any CD's, can someone burn a copy of the paper for me?

14 17:10:00 tommos1 I can.

14 17:12:00 tommos1 Is the PDF in svn up to date?

14 17:14:00 tommos1 No, it's definitely not.

14 17:15:00 tommos1 It doesn't build for me, either.

14 17:16:00 tommos1 I don't have the font.

14 17:22:00 andy753421 tommos1: it's as up-to-date as i have

14 17:23:00 andy753421 and I don't think we used any special fonts, so I don't know what's going wrong

14 17:23:00 tommos1 It's supposed to have a title page.

14 17:23:00 andy753421 we're using a couple strange packages though,

14 17:23:00 tommos1 For the advisor's signature and stuff.

14 17:23:00 andy753421 hm.. i printed off the adviser signature page separately

14 17:28:00 andy753421 hm.. I'll change the title to be a 'title page' and put the signature on that

14 17:28:00 andy753421 should I include a table of contents?

14 17:29:00 tommos1 Nah.

14 17:29:00 tommos1 It's not really long enough for that.

14 17:29:00 tommos1 Though you could check to see if other teams did.

14 17:29:00 andy753421 some of them did, some didn't

14 17:29:00 andy753421 i didn't look at them all, but i think the majority didn't

14 17:29:00 tommos1 Well, then don't bother.

14 17:30:00 tommos1 I have to go to dinner now.

14 17:30:00 andy753421 alright

14 17:30:00 tommos1 I'll be back in ~20 mins.

14 17:54:00 tommos1 Back.

14 18:05:00 andy753421 tommos1: ok, take another look a the paper, i made a few changes and make a full page title with a signature spot

14 18:07:00 tommos1 I suggest that you change "Chassis as of April 2008" to "Early chassis, showing the basic structure of the robot"

14 18:09:00 andy753421 ok, done

14 18:09:00 tommos1 Change "The init system runs the controller (1) which requests that any number of controllers be started (2)." to "The init system runs the Controller (1) which requests that any number of Controllers be started (2)."

14 18:10:00 andy753421 alright, i'm going to go take a shower, let me know if there's anything else needing changing

14 18:10:00 tommos1 "Most of the algorithms needed for the competition are currently very simple and can will be optimized for better

14 18:10:00 tommos1 performance during the coming year."

14 18:11:00 tommos1 Remove the "can".

14 18:11:00 andy753421 since i was supposed to get this stuff sent out today, i think i'll get up early tomorrow and have padgett sign it and then drop it off at the post office

14 18:11:00 tommos1 Okay.

14 18:11:00 tommos1 "Lane following we will accomplished by..."

14 18:12:00 andy753421 tommos1: do you want to just make these changes to svn, and then i'll recompile when you're done?

14 18:12:00 tommos1 Okay.

14 18:12:00 andy753421 ok, thanks

14 18:14:00 auchter i just got back, what's the url of the repo?

14 18:14:00 tommos1 It's the administrative repository.

14 18:14:00 tommos1 You can find it on the web site.

14 18:22:00 auchter kleinjt: approximate cost of the kill switch?

14 18:24:00 kleinjt auchter: $80? How much is the relay we don't have?

14 18:24:00 kleinjt auchter: I think I'll just make it on protoboard the week after finals..

14 18:27:00 auchter kleinjt: looking at relays on digikey, they're pretty cheap

14 18:27:00 kleinjt cost to team? $relay, I'm just using my own xbees, unless we get some on digikey

14 18:27:00 auchter main options are PCB mount or chassis mount... i'm thinking chassis mount would be the better choice at this point

14 18:27:00 auchter we're likely going to need to order from digikey again

14 18:29:00 auchter http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=255-1828-ND

14 18:31:00 tommost kleinjt, auchter: Are we going to stay with the serial port motor controller protocol or are we going to switch back to I2C?

14 18:31:00 kleinjt looks ok, we might want to parallel them

14 18:31:00 auchter tommost: over USB

14 18:32:00 auchter kleinjt: parallel them how?

14 18:32:00 kleinjt auchter: I have no idea, but will 40A be enough for motor surges? nevermind

14 18:32:00 kleinjt tommost, auchter: how are we doing USB? Unless I leave the microcontrollers on the development board, which I could do I suppose..

14 18:32:00 auchter we're going to have a 40A circuit breaker on each motor

14 18:33:00 auchter oh, i forgot about that... rs232 with a max232 is probably the best option in that case, right?

14 18:33:00 kleinjt auchter: that is what I was planning on

14 18:33:00 auchter tommost: so, no usb, rs232

14 18:33:00 tommost Okay.

14 18:33:00 auchter tommost: they both look the same from your end anyway

14 18:34:00 kleinjt do we have a big red button?

14 18:34:00 tommost I was working on the paper.

14 18:34:00 tommost kleinjt: I don't think so.

14 18:34:00 tommost It needs to be freaking huge.

14 18:35:00 tommost I'm done editing the paper.

14 18:36:00 auchter so digikey doesn't have any reasonable sized circuit breakers, so i think we'll be ordering from mouser instead

14 18:36:00 tommost You two should add some stuff to the table at the end.

14 18:36:00 auchter tommost: i've started

14 18:37:00 kleinjt how huge must the button be?

14 18:38:00 tommost Minimum 1 inch in diameter.

14 18:38:00 kleinjt tommost: ok, I'm checking mouser

14 18:38:00 tommost We should use an "Easy" button.

14 18:38:00 kleinjt lets do it

14 18:39:00 kleinjt what is the current capability of one?

14 18:40:00 auchter ...

14 18:40:00 tommost ...

14 18:40:00 kleinjt er.. sorry, could use use in-line with the motors?

14 18:41:00 auchter how about we go the sane route and have the button be normally closed, in line with the relay coils...

14 18:41:00 tommost auchter: I apologize for distracting kleinjt with shiny objects.

14 18:44:00 kleinjt real estop buttons are expensive..

14 18:45:00 kleinjt also, the seem to be standardized to 22mm...

14 18:47:00 andy753421 tommost: i'm not going to be going to robotics tonight, i've got like two other projects due tomorrow and need to be working on those

14 18:48:00 tommost Okay, I guess.

14 18:48:00 tommost We should have a meeting this weekend.

14 18:48:00 tommost On Saturday or something.

14 18:48:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, that would be good, i should be a lot less busy after friday

14 19:05:00 auchter ah, plan9 and plan9port have a nice way of entering unicode and accented characters...

14 19:06:00 auchter accented characters are similar to latex; to get a u with an umlaut, it's alt-"-u

14 19:06:00 auchter to enter in unicode character, alt-X-<4 digit hex>

14 19:07:00 auchter but what's super cool is that you don't have to hold down the alt key

14 19:08:00 Morasique you can bind a key to do the same thing i think in x

14 20:38:00 tommost auchter: Did you ever figure out anything about reconnecting sshfs sessions?

14 20:41:00 auchter tommost: no, i haven't. i don't really use sshfs that much, mostly just for mount dfs/afs occasionally

14 20:41:00 tommost Okay.

14 20:41:00 tommost I think that I'm going to write a shell script to automatically unmount stuff when I suspend (since that works now under Hardy).

14 20:42:00 auchter suspending works beautifully for me, it's resuming that's an issue

14 20:42:00 auchter after resuming, my machine works fine for around one minute, then it freezes

14 20:42:00 tommost Odd.

14 20:43:00 tommost I'm curious how they got it working in Hardy, myself.

14 20:43:00 auchter i'm guessing tuxonice

14 20:43:00 tommost I know that they changed a bunch of ACPI stuff around.

14 20:45:00 auchter hm, i think i'll give suspending another try

14 20:53:00 Mishtal tommost: if you end up doing that, could i have a copy of it perchance?

14 20:53:00 tommost http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430312

14 20:53:00 tommost I'm going to adapt that.

14 20:53:00 tommost Though I'm not sure that I'll even need to, if the suspend code pulls down network interfaces.

14 20:56:00 Morasique auchter: that's bizarre, i have the opposite problem. my machine never shuts off when i suspend, but if i shut it off manually and turn it back on it resumes

14 21:07:00 Morasique there's a gnome panel applet that shows flames based on how much the processor is being used. in theory, drawing the flames should increase the process use, which should make bigger flames, which should increase the processor use more, until i'm using 100% processor all the time. i might download this and try it

14 21:09:00 tommost I wish I were still running gnome-panel.

14 21:09:00 Morasique i love gnome-panel

14 21:10:00 Morasique can you run it outside gnome? i would consider not using gnome if i could keep gnome-panel

14 21:10:00 tommost I tried once under ratpoison and it didn't work too well.

14 21:10:00 Morasique hmm

14 21:10:00 tommost Of course, that's a tiling WM.

14 21:10:00 tommost I also wasn't sure what else I needed to run before it.

14 21:11:00 tommost I may have forgotten gnome-settings-daemon or something like that.

14 21:11:00 tommost starts gnome-panel

14 21:12:00 tommost Well, it appears to run under awesome.

14 21:12:00 tommost Though awesome doesn't know not to put stuff under it.

14 21:13:00 tommost Now I can see what time it is...

14 21:14:00 auchter i'm pretty sure i've used gnome-panel without gnome in the past with no problem

14 21:14:00 Morasique i just tried it in a plain X session, it looks like it works perfectly

14 21:14:00 Morasique that's cool

14 21:14:00 tommost Without gnome-settings-daemon?

14 21:15:00 Morasique well, i imagine the daemon is running in the background since i have gnome open on this screen, it might not work right if i closed this x session

14 21:19:00 Morasique i've installed like 7 updates to openssh in the last 3 days, apparently they're trying to look busy

14 21:21:00 tommost Yeah, same here.

14 21:21:00 auchter is glad he doesn't use debian or ubuntu

14 21:22:00 tommost desperately hopes someone gets fired over this mess

14 21:23:00 auchter i'm pretty sure the person who patched it is a volunteer...

14 21:23:00 auchter however, this guarantees that i will never use a debian-derived distribution

14 21:44:00 tommost auchter: I can't say that I really blame you.

14 21:45:00 tommost My pissed-off-ness knows no bounds.

14 21:45:00 Morasique are we meeting tomorrow?

14 21:45:00 tommost Yes.

14 21:46:00 Morasique oh. somehow i got the idea we weren't

14 21:46:00 tommost I'm presenting briefly on Xdmx.

14 21:46:00 tommost Bring your laptops.

14 21:48:00 kleinjt Are we going to tie all the laptops in the room into one giant display then watch rick roll on it? 'cause that would be awesome.

14 21:48:00 auchter we could even have two presentations tomorrow, as tom root offered to give one on J

14 21:49:00 tommost kleinjt: Damn your precognitive abilities.

14 21:49:00 tommost Oh, well. Meatspin it is.

14 21:56:00 auchter collinjc: i just want to let you know that your car exhaust terrifies me

14 21:57:00 collinjc Me too. I wasn't the one responsible for putting it on.

14 21:57:00 auchter haha, i see

14 21:57:00 collinjc I went home and my little brother put it on at some point over the weekend as a joke.

14 21:58:00 collinjc It looks absolutely ridiculous.

14 21:58:00 collinjc So it is by no means staying.

14 21:58:00 auchter i was going to suggest an extension

14 21:58:00 collinjc Hahaha!

14 21:59:00 Morasique why can't thunderbird remember to sort my folders the way i tell it to? that seems not difficult

14 22:00:00 collinjc Having it touching the bumper is certainly a bad idea to begin with with the amount of heat it generates.

14 22:01:00 auchter hence the need for a 6ft extension

14 22:03:00 tommost Morasique: I'm practically to the point of giving up on Thunderbird for the second time.

14 22:03:00 Morasique i like thunderbird a lot though, since i fixed the attachment thing this is really the only annoyance left

14 22:03:00 collinjc Well, while I'm at it, I might as well put a semi exhaust stack on it.

14 22:04:00 collinjc Maybe another 6 feet for symmetry.

14 22:05:00 auchter going under bridges might become an issue at that point...

14 22:06:00 collinjc As well as obeying any laws that I truly hope prohibit stuff like that.

14 22:07:00 tommost robotics people: I regenerated the SSH keys on red.

14 22:37:00 tommost Anyone know of a way to use Nautilus without the desktop?

14 22:38:00 tommost Oh, nm. --no-desktop

14 22:39:00 Morasique damn. to think i was about to make fun of you, and you robbed me of the chance

14 22:39:00 tommost Yeah, I asked because I thought that I had checked for a flag before. Apparently my memory fails.

14 22:40:00 Morasique on a related note, i recommend krusader, i've never liked nautilus

14 22:40:00 tommost I mainly want it because it provides a status bar for long transfers.

14 22:41:00 tommost And since Hardy it does that *quite* well.

14 22:41:00 Morasique i keep meaning to try that

14 22:42:00 tommost Are bash aliases expanded recursively?

14 22:42:00 Morasique i think so

14 22:42:00 Morasique zsh's are

14 22:42:00 tommost I need to switch...

14 22:42:00 Morasique bash's are too

14 22:43:00 Morasique but yes, you do

14 22:43:00 tommost What do I change to make zsh the default?

14 22:43:00 Morasique chsh

14 22:44:00 tommost Why does it take so long to log on to addiator?

14 22:44:00 Morasique i don't know, i thought that was just me

14 22:45:00 tommost Support ticket!

14 22:45:00 Morasique i've stopped bothering :)

14 22:47:00 auchter 0m7.034s for me to log into addiator

14 22:48:00 Morasique that's much faster than mine i think

14 22:48:00 auchter real0m1.368s to log into my own box on camus...

14 22:48:00 auchter not on camus, i doubt he'd appreciate that. campus, i meant

14 22:48:00 Morasique it took me 14s from login prompt to bash prompt on addiator

14 22:49:00 auchter i'm averaging around 7 seconds each time

14 22:52:00 Morasique it takes 14 seconds from a box off campus too, i must have something in a startup script somewhere that takes forever

14 22:52:00 Morasique i thought i had them all disabled

14 22:53:00 tommost All mine does is set some environment variables and aliases.

14 22:53:00 Morasique i was having problems so i moved mine awhile agoi thought

14 22:55:00 tommost Can I set zsh to be the default on addiator by putting exec zsh at the end of .cshrc?

14 22:55:00 Morasique yeah, i think that's what i had

14 22:55:00 Morasique andy has a newer version in /scratch i think

14 22:58:00 tommost It complains about "Insecure directories and files" when I log in.

14 22:58:00 tommost (zsh)

14 22:59:00 Morasique hmm. mine doesn't

14 22:59:00 Morasique oh, the new version does

14 22:59:00 Morasique hmm

14 23:01:00 Morasique compaudit lists the problem files, the issue is zsh is loading from a directory that spenceal can write to, so it's warning you that he could change stuff and alter your configuration

14 23:01:00 Morasique i'm not sure how to suppress the warning though

14 23:03:00 tommost Is there a significant difference between the old and new versions?

14 23:04:00 Morasique i don't know, i've never used the older one

14 23:04:00 Morasique probably not anything that's going to affect you

15 00:19:00 tommost LUG, entertain me.

15 00:19:00 Morasique tommost: you need the gnome-panel fire applet. it keeps me entertained at all times

15 00:19:00 auchter i think i'm going to go to sleep, unless of course something's interesting

15 00:20:00 Blazeix tommost: You should replace awesome with compiz.

15 00:20:00 jboticsource http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsB69rrAlM

15 00:20:00 auchter jboticsource: i clicked it, heard horrible music, and immediately closed it

15 00:20:00 Morasique i was positive that was going to be a rick roll. i almost wish it had been

15 00:21:00 tommost I clicked it an am now looking at a flash logo where the movie should be.

15 00:21:00 tommost Victory!

15 00:22:00 Morasique i'm currently playing with glade, which is pretty fantastic

15 00:22:00 tommost I'm desperate for a version of Compiz with tiling.

15 00:22:00 Blazeix Are you planning on using code generation or the xml translation thing?

15 00:22:00 Blazeix that was targeted at Morasique

15 00:22:00 Morasique tommost: me too, i do it manually with the put and maximumize plugins

15 00:22:00 tommost Blazeix: I figured.

15 00:23:00 Morasique Blazeix: i'm not doing anything specifically with it, just looking at it. it looks like gtk can process the glade files directly though, which is neat

15 00:23:00 tommost Yeah, it's not the same once you've experienced true tiling.

15 00:23:00 tommost Plus WASTE is broken in anything but Compiz.

15 00:23:00 Morasique er. that's bizarre

15 00:24:00 tommost When you switch desktops the windows blank. And they refuse to unblank. Except in Compiz.

15 00:24:00 Morasique hmm. have you tried minimizing them?

15 00:25:00 Morasique i've seen a bug like that, but it was in the nvidia drivers, i don't know why you'd have it

15 00:25:00 tommost awesome doesn't have the concept, but I don't think that it's worked in the past.

15 00:25:00 auchter tommost: are you running WASTE in wine, or natively?

15 00:25:00 tommost wine.

15 00:25:00 tommost It won't compile natively.

15 00:25:00 auchter tommost: then i had the exact same problem as you last year (when i used pekwm)

15 00:26:00 auchter minimizing didn't fix it

15 00:26:00 jboticsource this guy has a fix:

15 00:26:00 jboticsource http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

15 00:26:00 tommost jboticsource: I am immune.

15 00:26:00 tommost FlashBlock FTW.

15 00:27:00 Blazeix If someone actually uploaded a technical fix like that to youtube, I might have to track them down and shoot them.

15 00:27:00 Blazeix repeatedly

15 00:27:00 auchter youtube is a cesspool of fail

15 00:28:00 tommost Yeah, they're ridiculously cheap with their encoding bitrates.

15 00:28:00 tommost What is this, 2001?

15 00:28:00 tommost I want video that doesn't physically pain me when I watch it.

15 00:28:00 auchter i was more referring to the comments...

15 00:28:00 Morasique auchter: i ignore the comments. i employ a similar policy with digg

15 00:29:00 Morasique on a related note, does anyone else think rick astley looks like curt? i maintain that he does, but nobody else sees it

15 00:29:00 tommost I don't visit either on on my own. This is the best policy.

15 00:33:00 auchter youtube is occasionally worth visiting

15 00:34:00 tommost The only thing worth it there are videos of Compizy goodness.

15 00:34:00 Morasique those videos are beyond stupid

15 00:34:00 tommost Except that the video quality is so crappy that it isn't worth it.

15 00:35:00 Morasique they show the same 10 plugins, all of which even i think are excessive

15 00:35:00 tommost They are stupid.

15 00:35:00 tommost Yet somehow better than everything else on YouTube.

15 00:35:00 tommost Feel my derision.

15 00:35:00 Morasique feels it

15 00:35:00 Morasique fun fact: aim supports actions. i did one by mistake a few days ago and it worked

15 00:36:00 tommost I did one a while ago and the person on the other end was confused.

15 00:36:00 Morasique sometimes i forget and use a regular expression to fix a misspelling, that tends to confuse people

15 00:37:00 auchter it's the only sane way to correct misspellings

15 00:37:00 Morasique i usually do *replacement on aim

15 00:38:00 auchter that doesn't make any sense to me

15 00:39:00 auchter who knows what you're replacing?

15 00:39:00 Morasique well, generally it's the misspelled word that resembles the replacement text

15 00:40:00 tommost Yeah, usually it's obvious enough.

15 00:40:00 auchter if it's obvious, why even bother correcting it?

15 00:41:00 Morasique we correct things all the time on here that are obvious. most spelling mistakes are obvious, unless povilusr is involved

15 00:41:00 tommost Yeah, it's more like a way of saying "oops."

15 01:05:00 Mishtal some times words that you are replacing make grammatical sense where they are, and are spelled right. but unless you replace it the person will be like "wtf" for the rest of the discussion

15 01:15:00 Morasique this is why i hate dynamic code, it's impossible to read if you're not familiar with it

15 01:16:00 Morasique i have no idea what the type of anything is, and i don't even know what variables are defined until i find the assignment buried in the code somewhere

15 01:16:00 Morasique i blame tommost for this

15 01:16:00 tommost I have no idea what you're talking about.

15 01:16:00 Morasique you like python

15 01:17:00 Morasique so it's your fault

15 01:17:00 tommost What is causing you so much pain?

15 01:17:00 Morasique reading through python code

15 01:17:00 tommost What Python code?

15 01:17:00 Morasique specto

15 01:18:00 Morasique http://specto.sourceforge.net/

15 01:18:00 tommost The Internet is being slow. I blame IAIT.

15 01:19:00 tommost I apologize to all the torrenters that I bad-mouthed.

15 01:19:00 Morasique they're too busy torrenting to care

15 01:21:00 tommost Apparently it's written by someone new to Python—that may explain some of your pain.

15 01:22:00 Morasique the main issue is undeclared variables, i like being able to see what variables are declared in a class

15 01:22:00 tommost They should all be initialized in __init__...

15 01:22:00 tommost And if they were worried about memory use they'll be in __slots__.

15 01:22:00 Morasique python doesn't require that though, which is why this programmer felt free to not

15 01:23:00 tommost Well, no, it isn't required. So what?

15 01:23:00 tommost It's no worse than inheriting from another class and manipulating its instance variables.

15 01:23:00 Morasique of course it is, i can look at that class to see the declared variables

15 01:23:00 tommost And you can look at all of the class's methods and see all of the declared variables too.

15 01:24:00 tommost But they really should be initialized in __init__.

15 01:26:00 Morasique well, generally there's a couple more lines for the entire body of the class than there are for the block of declared variables, but yeah, __init__ would be helpful

15 01:50:00 tommost Spectro looks cool, actually.

15 01:51:00 Morasique yeah, the only problem i had was all it can do it show an alert, so i changed it to run a shell script too

15 01:52:00 tommost Is there a simple program out there that can just pop up one of those nice toaster notifications? One suitable for calling from a shell script.

15 01:53:00 Morasique notify-send comes with libnotify, i use notify-more, which uses the same python module spectro uses

15 01:53:00 Morasique they're similar, notify-more just has a couple more features, like icons and buttons

15 01:54:00 tommost Thanks.

15 01:55:00 tommost Now to write a script that monitors how much free space remains on my hard disk...

15 01:55:00 Morasique gnome will alert you when you run out. unfortunately, it waits until you run out

15 01:56:00 tommost I didn't catch the alert the last time I ran out (perhaps I don't have that particular bit of Gnome running?) and some config files got blanked.

15 01:56:00 tommost Very annoying.

15 02:53:00 tommost_aorist It seems that the good folks of speed finally have pranked me.

15 02:53:00 Morasique what happened?

15 02:53:00 tommost_aorist They set my homepage to be a rick roll on my desktop.

15 02:53:00 Morasique :)

15 02:53:00 tommost_aorist I am disappointed.

15 02:54:00 tommost_aorist Surely they could have been more creative.

15 02:54:00 Morasique you're lucky rick roll is the new trend, it was meatspin my freshman year

15 03:39:00 andy753421 auchter: any clue how to force mk to use rc instead of the normal shell?

15 04:10:00 octavious h

15 04:11:00 octavious you are all welcome.

15 04:12:00 octavious i really need to remap it so screen never 'freezes'...i forget what binding causes it..

15 04:12:00 octavious i just assume i lose connection

15 04:12:00 andy753421 ^S / ^Q?

15 04:12:00 octavious yes.

15 04:13:00 octavious hmm. remap time

15 04:13:00 andy753421 can you remap that with screen?

15 04:13:00 octavious i think so

15 04:46:00 Mishtal to any of the Operating System TA"s who happen to be awake right now

15 04:47:00 Mishtal do any of you know why the OS "take home" final is written like im supposed to do this project in class with no help, closed google, etcetera, but the very first sentence explicitly states its a take home with free range on resources i can use?

15 04:47:00 Mishtal additionally, when is the blasted due date for this thing?

15 05:24:00 octavious it brings me much joy that 5 seasons of Quantum Leap are on WASTE

15 09:02:00 andy753421 tommost_aorist: do you have a cd of the robotics paper?

15 09:22:00 tommost_aorist No, I haven't made one.

15 09:22:00 auchter make sure to do an update on the repo

15 09:23:00 tommost_aorist I can't do it right now; I have to go to work.

15 09:23:00 tommost_aorist You'll probably need to find someone else if you want to get it out soon; I have class.

15 09:27:00 auchter andy753421: you going to be in the lab after third hour?

15 09:29:00 auchter regardless, i've got the paper burned on a cdr

15 09:29:00 auchter i've got to leave for class now, i'll head to the cs lab after 3rd hour

15 09:44:00 auchter phantom.cs sounds like a garbage disposal

15 09:44:00 collinjc I blame Windows.

15 09:44:00 Morasique yes, i'd like to thank you for breaking it when i'm sitting a foot away. please format it now

15 09:45:00 auchter windows is definitely the root of the problem, the reason it takes me 4 minutes to get to a "usable" desktop as well

15 09:45:00 Morasique quotes self: "format it now"

15 09:45:00 Morasique we should just set it up correctly and ghost it so everytime they break it we can restore it automatically

15 09:46:00 collinjc What do you mean? You don't like the six or seven command prompts that come up every time?

15 09:49:00 auchter no, i don't like those, but the anti-virus popups i get are great

15 09:49:00 Morasique those are the best part, it's like they're trying to make sure you know you're on windows

15 09:49:00 auchter i think they accomplished that just fine by making it impossible to use

15 09:50:00 Morasique my eyes hurt from not enough sleep, and i just opened the latest all campus e-mail that has a bright yellow background, and my eyes actually burn now

15 10:26:00 andy753421 auchter: i'm in the lab,

15 11:30:00 tommost_aorist I have to say, I think that the book buy-back e-mail represents a new low for image-based e-mail at Rose.

15 12:42:00 tommost Dear professor Defoe:

15 12:42:00 tommost Registration was last week.

15 12:42:00 tommost Sincerely, Tom Most

15 12:44:00 tommost On an unrelated note, I got a response back on my support ticket about Addiator's slow login process.

15 12:45:00 tommost They claimed that it was caused by the guy running a bunch of Matlab processes, maxing out a few CPUs.

15 12:45:00 tommost Yet somehow it is still slow for me...

15 12:49:00 Morasique apparently defoe is failing at garnering interest in garbage collection

15 12:49:00 tommost I'd be interested.

15 12:49:00 tommost Except that I couldn't really take it next year.

15 12:55:00 tommost http://www.newartisans.com/blog_files/git.versioned.data.store.php

15 13:29:00 Morasique apparently github started to get suspicious when they realized users were generating exactly the same ssh keys, but they never realized what was wrong

15 13:43:00 tommost Morasique: Now that's interesting.

15 13:43:00 Morasique the github thing?

15 13:44:00 tommost Yeah. I think that it's now obvious that OpenSSH should have some serious regression tests.

15 13:44:00 Morasique well i'm sure it does, the problem is debian and their modifying stuff after testing is done

15 13:44:00 tommost They'll take 10 days to run, but whatever.

15 13:44:00 tommost Yeah, I mean tests that can be run by end users.

15 13:44:00 Morasique debian is like a man in the middle attack on all our packages

15 13:44:00 Morasique oh, i see

15 13:45:00 tommost sudo apt-get install openssh-tests && openssh-test --all

15 13:45:00 tommost Then wait, and wait, and wait...

15 13:45:00 povilusr_ top is on rendevous

15 13:45:00 povilusr_ hows is it going top?

15 13:46:00 Morasique somebody translate that

15 13:46:00 tommost povilusr_: Uh, okay.?

15 13:46:00 povilusr_ the aim like thingi that only works on the localy routable subnet

15 13:46:00 tommost Yeah, I figured that.

15 13:46:00 tommost But I can't see you.

15 13:46:00 povilusr_ for Morasique

15 13:47:00 povilusr_ yeah i jsut reconnected and it claims im online but i appear not to be

15 14:35:00 tommost clear

15 14:35:00 tommost I fail.

15 14:36:00 tommost Important LUG meeting message: bring your laptops!

15 14:39:00 auchter it wasn't OpenSSH that had the problem, it was OpenSSL

15 14:39:00 crr sure - may I ask why?

15 14:40:00 crr probably should have mentioned that that question was in response to tommost's message

15 14:41:00 auchter crr: i think it's for the xdmx presentation he's doing

15 14:41:00 crr ah

15 14:44:00 tommost It is.

15 15:00:00 tommost Hmmm... free food opportunity at the food film festival.

15 15:01:00 tommost And I happen to know that the first film is awesome.

15 15:03:00 auchter the second film isn't bad either, one of the few recent films i've seen recently that i liked

15 15:03:00 tommost Yeah, I'd like to see that one.

15 15:38:00 tommost crr: Corvec wants to know why you aren't here.

15 16:51:00 auchter pizza?

15 18:26:00 rr72 what's a good second choice? speed? deming?

15 18:26:00 Morasique i would put speed second probably

15 19:27:00 Morasique any idea why my ttys would be showing up on my external monitor instead of my laptop?

15 20:11:00 rr72 Hewlett-Packard 8510W

15 20:11:00 rr72 Intel Core 2 Duo T7800 processor, 15.4� WUXGA Display, 4 GB DDR2 RAM, 120 GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive, NVidia FX 570M 256MB RAM, 72 WHr Battery DVD�RW DL Drive, 802.11 a/b/g/n Wireless Card, Bluetooth 2.0 56K Modem,

15 22:09:00 Blazeix Does anyone know how to set enigmail to default to PGP/MIME?

15 22:09:00 tommost It's in the accounts dialog.

15 22:11:00 tommost Though there doesn't seem to be a way to set it for identities that aren't directly associated with an account.

15 22:11:00 Blazeix aha, thanks. I didn't realize enigmail made an entry in the plain old accounts dialog

16 00:02:00 auchter the xkcd today is excellent.

16 00:03:00 Morasique that statement is always true

16 00:03:00 Morasique aww. the ubuntu one hurts my feelings

16 00:03:00 auchter it's true.

16 00:04:00 Morasique like last week we were all mac users, we need to settle on one group

16 00:05:00 Blazeix So, what I'm gathering from that comic is that Arch Linux is awesome.

16 00:05:00 tommost_aorist Ouch.

16 00:05:00 Blazeix Morasique: who said Mac users?

16 00:05:00 auchter obscure != awesome

16 00:05:00 auchter oh, and crux > arch

16 00:05:00 auchter Blazeix: i think that was me...

16 00:05:00 Morasique er. logview appears to be broken

16 00:05:00 Morasique it's showing a blank page

16 00:05:00 Blazeix auchter: I was tempted to append 'and crux sucks' to my earlier statement

16 00:06:00 Blazeix But I decided not to descend into such fanboyism

16 00:06:00 Morasique 05/01/08 05:37 <auchter> i'm beginning to suspect that many people in here are no more than mac fanboys

16 00:06:00 Morasique 05/01/08 05:37 <auchter> based on the rampant eye-candy praising

16 00:06:00 tommost_aorist Morasique: Only on the most recent log, for some reason.

16 00:06:00 Morasique glares at tommost_aorist

16 00:07:00 tommost_aorist What?!

16 00:07:00 tommost_aorist Blame Andy.

16 00:07:00 Morasique who wrote logview? i forget

16 00:07:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/irc/logs/2008-05.log seems to be fully functional

16 00:07:00 tommost_aorist I've pretty much totally rewritten the thing, but he refuses to accept the new version. Something about fifos.

16 00:07:00 Morasique yeah, i went there

16 00:08:00 tommost_aorist andy753421: That opens as a binary file for me, for some reason.

16 00:09:00 andy753421 content type is text/plain, you must be trying to decode it based on file extension

16 00:09:00 tommost_aorist This is Firefox.

16 00:09:00 tommost_aorist It doesn't do that.

16 00:10:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/is0lTH70.html

16 00:10:00 auchter that was the full excerpt, which pretty much proves my point

16 00:11:00 Morasique this is all tommost's fault

16 00:11:00 tommost_aorist I resent that.

16 00:11:00 Morasique i would hope so

16 00:11:00 tommost_aorist And now I'm using Awesome.

16 00:11:00 tommost_aorist Except on this computer, which has Compiz.

16 00:11:00 tommost_aorist Because of waste.

16 00:11:00 Morasique strong finish there

16 00:12:00 andy753421 tommost: http://pastie.caboo.se/198035

16 00:13:00 andy753421 yay for highlighting http headers as Ruby on Rails =D

16 00:13:00 tommost_aorist That's a crappy paste site, I have to say.

16 00:13:00 tommost_aorist It has chrome.

16 00:13:00 tommost_aorist I prefer dpaste.com.

16 00:14:00 Morasique you wouldn't think there would be so many sites dedicated to showing text

16 00:14:00 auchter i'm going to code my own paste site for the lug

16 00:14:00 andy753421 eh, i typed pastie into the URL bar and got there

16 00:14:00 andy753421 auchter: in rc?

16 00:14:00 Morasique auchter: have fun with that 30 second project

16 00:14:00 auchter andy753421: how'd you guess?

16 00:14:00 Morasique we should have rr72 do it

16 00:14:00 tommost_aorist No, too trivial.

16 00:15:00 tommost_aorist auchter: How are you going to do syntax highlighting?

16 00:15:00 tommost_aorist I recommend Pygments. It does Brainfuck.

16 00:15:00 tommost_aorist I know that's important to you.

16 00:15:00 Morasique i wrote a syntax highlighter for whitespace once. it was short

16 00:16:00 auchter tommost_aorist: probably code2html

16 00:16:00 Morasique ooo. it would've been handy to know about that a couple days about

16 00:16:00 Morasique s/about/ago/

16 00:16:00 Morasique i ended up using emacs' htmlize-file

16 00:17:00 auchter or i could use my colorize code from 230, written in java

16 00:17:00 auchter </sarcasm>

16 00:17:00 tommost_aorist Thank god, I was afraid.

16 00:17:00 tommost_aorist Plus the subset of highlighting on that assignment is pretty crummy.

16 00:19:00 auchter it was apparently difficult enough for people to fail at it

16 00:19:00 tommost_aorist Wow.

16 00:19:00 auchter yeah, it was sad

16 00:19:00 tommost_aorist I did it in an hour using regular expressions.

16 00:20:00 tommost_aorist In class.

16 00:20:00 auchter i just used an FSM, worked fine

16 00:21:00 tommost_aorist The first time I tried to do that I over-engineered it to take a lot of other syntactical features into account and I got bored of making the switch statement after a while.

16 00:22:00 tommost_aorist So I redid it with REs.

16 00:23:00 auchter i think i convinced myself that regexs wouldn't work on some of the trickier test cases without some trickiness, which is why i didn't use them

16 00:25:00 tommost_aorist Whoever told you that had a weak mind.

16 00:26:00 auchter no one told me that, so it must have been me

16 00:27:00 tommost_aorist I actually did have a state machine, with two states: 1) not in a multiline comment or 2) in a multiline comment.

16 00:27:00 tommost_aorist Otherwise it just split the lines up into chunks.

16 00:27:00 tommost_aorist And wrapped <span>s around them.

16 00:40:00 Morasique tommost_aorist: you were required to use a FSM, hopefully whoever graded it failed you :)

16 00:40:00 tommost Morasique: I'm a TA. ;)

16 00:40:00 Morasique well damn

16 00:41:00 tommost I think that I'll do sliding blocks this summer sometime... it looks iteresting.

16 00:41:00 tommost s/iter/inter/

16 00:42:00 tommost I'm half tempted to do it in Java, just to see how efficient I can make it.

16 00:42:00 auchter i'm going to recode my sliding blocks solution in C (using gmp) this summer

16 00:42:00 tommost When they were presenting their approaches the people who used classes with two boolean attributes "for space efficiency" made me sad.

16 00:43:00 tommost Bytes and bitmasks, people!

16 00:43:00 Morasique i've long since given up on hoping for elegant solutions, i'm thrilled if their code compiles

16 00:43:00 tommost You're grading them?

16 00:44:00 Morasique 230? yeah. not that project though

16 00:44:00 Morasique i think claude forgot i work for him, i haven't done anything in the last like 4 weeks

16 00:44:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/yX0Q1Z18.html

16 00:44:00 auchter doing that in java is a mistake.

16 00:44:00 Morasique i should write a plugin that auto-pastes the contents in my irc window when a link like that comes up

16 00:45:00 Morasique stuff like that makes me so sad

16 00:45:00 tommost I didn't realize that you could use synchronized like that.

16 00:45:00 Morasique that's how you're supposed to use it

16 00:45:00 tommost I thought that it was a modifier for methods.

16 00:45:00 Morasique the method syntax is just syntactic sugar i think, java wraps the whole method body in a synchronized block then

16 00:46:00 Morasique every quarter when i grade colorize somebody has a switch statement with a case for every single letter. sometimes they think to do both cases too, for 52 lines of fun

16 00:46:00 tommost :)

16 00:47:00 Morasique auchter: why was BigInteger involved?

16 00:47:00 tommost Morasique: You may not have gotten anything for so long because it's pretty much just been sliding blocks the entire time.

16 00:47:00 Morasique ah. that might explain it

16 00:47:00 auchter Morasique: that's how blocks were represented...

16 00:47:00 tommost Morasique: Auchter has an obsession with algorithms that could be implemented in hardware.

16 00:48:00 Morasique why would blocks be represented with bigintegers?

16 00:48:00 Morasique i didn't read the project description, so it's possible there's a perfectly logical reason

16 00:48:00 auchter it was a bitmap of the block's position on the board

16 00:48:00 tommost There really is no logical reason for it.

16 00:48:00 tommost They're ungodly slow.

16 00:49:00 auchter Morasique: http://freya.phire.org/tmp/blocks

16 00:49:00 auchter so, the first part is an empty 4x4 board

16 00:50:00 auchter the next two blocks of numbers are two individual blocks ( a 2x2 in the lower right, and a 2x1 in the lower left)

16 00:50:00 auchter the last block is a representation of used and empty locations in the board (the OR of all block bits)

16 00:55:00 auchter apparently my way of representing the board has stunned everyone into silence

16 00:56:00 tommost We are just amazed that you couldn't find something better than BigInteger to do it with.

16 00:56:00 Morasique sorry, i'm multitasking. i'll assume that makes sense even though it seems redundant and wasteful

16 00:56:00 auchter biginteger was the first thing that came to mind. it truly is horrible and slow

16 00:58:00 tommost Some people in the class (mis)used something called a BitSet. That might have been a better match.

16 00:59:00 auchter except BitSet doesn't have a shift operation, which is crucial for representing the board this way

16 01:00:00 tommost You should have written your own class, using longs internally.

16 01:00:00 auchter i wanted to minimize the time spent writing java

16 01:00:00 tommost A worthwhile goal.

16 01:50:00 tommost Adobe fails.

16 01:50:00 tommost No flash player 10 64-bit.

16 02:17:00 tommost http://www.opengpstracker.org/

16 09:09:00 povilusr_desktop btw guys, theres a book buy back today

16 09:10:00 tommost_aorist Oh, yeah, I want to get rid of that horrible philosophy textbook.

16 09:10:00 Zeta_RHIT fw:

16 09:26:00 tommost_aorist ?

16 09:33:00 tommost_aorist Yet again, the book buy-back e-mail is a world of fail.

16 09:42:00 Morasique i think the book buyback e-mails might be the laziest ones yet. they literally scan in one of the flyers they have posted around campus and e-mail that out

16 11:48:00 tommost_aorist Morasique: have you missed me complaining this about this twice now?

16 11:49:00 auchter speaking of book buyback, buy my books: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/groups/sga/HTML/exchange/viewtopic.php?t=439

16 13:31:00 Morasique :D best use of a graphic in an e-mail ever. a giant cursive blue "Julia"

16 13:40:00 auchter Morasique: isn't that what people mean by "digital signatures?"

16 13:42:00 auchter that was sarcasm for those who think i'm insane/stupid

16 13:50:00 Morasique i always think you're insane/stupid

16 14:05:00 andy753421 auchter: for my job this summer they want me to sign some forms, then scan them, and e-mail them back, they also want me to call them to give them my SSN instead of emailing it

16 14:05:00 andy753421 it makes me sad because encrypting and digitally signing it would be more secure anyway

16 14:06:00 auchter andy753421: i had to do the same thing... it really bothered me

16 14:06:00 Morasique me too, you'd think technology companies would be more intelligent

16 14:07:00 auchter my signature is a pure scribble which can be easily forged anyway... my gpg key, less so.

16 14:09:00 auchter however, they do have the problem of verifying that the key belongs to me, but i'd be happy to read the fingerprint over the phone to them

16 14:10:00 auchter it'd still be many times more secure than what they're currently doing... but i figured i wouldn't complain too much, as it was through the HR department...

16 14:11:00 Morasique i like to think that someday secure e-mail will be normal, and you wouldn't have to try to explain it to people

16 14:12:00 auchter i sadly don't see that happening... as was said by someone in my crypto class, when asked why we don't encrypt email "i don't send anything illegal through email, so why should i encrypt it?"

16 14:13:00 auchter i'm actually rather tempted to write an email to use whenever someone emails me requesting me to respond

16 14:14:00 auchter it will essentially say that i will not communicate with anyone who does not use PGP; if they want a response, talk to me in person, or stop being lazy

16 14:14:00 Morasique :D yes, i only use encryption for my illegal activities, so that makes sense

16 14:15:00 auchter once i'm done with exams, i'm also going to write up some instructions on using GPG, particularly in windows with outlook

16 14:15:00 Morasique i didn't even know outlook could do that

16 14:15:00 auchter http://www.gpg4win.org/

16 14:15:00 Morasique oh. nice

16 14:33:00 tommost_aorist We should lobby IAIT to install that by default on the new laptops.

16 14:33:00 Morasique they'd never do it

16 14:35:00 tommost_aorist They could certainly do S/MIME.

16 14:35:00 tommost_aorist Just give every student a certificate.

16 14:35:00 Morasique they could certainly do lots of stuff, but they won't

16 14:35:00 Morasique they're lazy

16 14:38:00 auchter first we need to convince people to actually use it

16 14:40:00 Morasique well, if it was automatic most people would use it without thinking, it would be getting iait to do it

16 14:41:00 auchter for GPG, during orientation they would need to walk freshmen through generating a private/public key pair

16 14:41:00 auchter as well as the ways of keeping that safe... the problem i see with it is that people aren't responsible

16 14:42:00 auchter they're going to delete their private key, then bitch about not being able to read their old emails

16 14:43:00 Morasique generating a key isn't exactly hard though, i think they could get through that fine, i don't know about keeping it safe necessarily

16 14:44:00 tommost_aorist We should have a GPGfest.

16 14:44:00 tommost_aorist Spam them mercilessly about it.

16 14:44:00 Morasique i think it would be hard to get people interested

16 14:44:00 auchter we should indeed have a key-signing/gpg setup day

16 14:44:00 Morasique key signing isn't a bad idea

16 14:49:00 auchter i have a feeling a subset of people who go to lug meetings would attend the key-signing party

16 14:50:00 tommost We want to hold campus service events that we can point to when we apply for a budget from SGA, though.

16 14:50:00 auchter yeah, i know

16 14:50:00 tommost And if we have pizza more people will show up.

16 15:03:00 tommost In fact, if we had Indian...

16 15:06:00 quark fuck ubuntu

16 15:06:00 quark srsly

16 15:06:00 quark amirite?

16 15:06:00 tommost Still having that problem?

16 15:07:00 quark Setting up linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic (2.6.22-14.52) ...

16 15:07:00 quark Running depmod.

16 15:07:00 quark update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic

16 15:07:00 quark /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: 13: getopt: not found

16 15:07:00 quark Terminating...

16 15:07:00 quark update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic

16 15:07:00 quark Failed to create initrd image.

16 15:07:00 quark dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2

16 15:07:00 quark thats from dpkg --configure -a

16 15:07:00 Morasique i think pastebin was invented for this

16 15:07:00 quark yeah

16 15:07:00 quark screw you

16 15:08:00 quark thats way moer work

16 15:08:00 quark irc works just fine

16 15:08:00 Morasique yeah, it could take all of 20 seconds

16 15:08:00 quark its not like this channel gets that much action

16 15:08:00 Morasique wow. i feel downright obligated to help you now

16 15:08:00 tommost We should add a pastebin to the banner.

16 15:08:00 tommost I nominate dpaste.

16 15:08:00 quark :/

16 15:08:00 quark whatever

16 15:08:00 quark I don't need your help

16 15:08:00 quark I've already written ubuntu off

16 15:09:00 quark i'm just going to install gentoo over it this summer

16 15:09:00 quark I also wasn't really asking for help so muchas bitching about ubuntu

16 15:17:00 quark I think its totally broken now

16 15:18:00 Morasique you're missing the util-linux package

16 15:20:00 quark yeah

16 15:20:00 quark but apt-get fails

16 15:21:00 tommost Download it directly.

16 15:21:00 quark yeah

16 15:21:00 quark see

16 15:21:00 quark shouldn't it already have util-linux

16 15:21:00 quark do you us the deb tool to intsall it?

16 15:22:00 tommost ftp://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/ubuntu/pool/main/u/util-linux/

16 15:22:00 tommost dpkg -I <package>

16 15:22:00 tommost Err, that I should be lowercase.

16 15:22:00 tommost Curse you, Pidgin.

16 15:22:00 quark lol

16 15:23:00 quark how is that pidgins fault

16 15:23:00 tommost I have a Pidgin plugin that replaces common typos.

16 15:23:00 tommost I'm guessing that it sees \bi\b as a lone "i".

16 15:24:00 quark ahh

16 15:24:00 quark while we are at it

16 15:24:00 quark do you know the library that supports .m4a

16 15:24:00 quark so I can put them on my ipod with gtkpod]

16 15:24:00 tommost sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras?

16 15:24:00 quark sure

16 15:40:00 quark dude even after the reinstated the bandwitdh restrictions the speed of my torrents hasn't increased

16 15:40:00 quark i'm so glad I'll have an off campus isp so I can download all the music I want

16 15:40:00 quark but still have access to the campus vpn

16 15:40:00 Morasique considers kicking luglog before it's too late

16 15:41:00 tommost Personally, I find that the network is precisely as responsive as it was before the restrictions were reinstated.

16 15:41:00 Morasique it seems better for me, but maybe i'm imagining it

16 15:41:00 tommost I find the theory that it's a plot by IAIT to make people like the restrictions more and more compelling.

16 15:41:00 Morasique apparently the freshman haven't stopped torrenting, as evidenced 30 seconds ago

16 15:42:00 tommost I love how you paint us all with the same brush.

16 15:42:00 Morasique i paint most of you with the same brush

16 15:42:00 Morasique you can have your own if it makes you feel better

16 15:42:00 quark Morasique: I don't torrent a lot

16 15:42:00 tommost I would like one, thank you. Blue, please.

16 15:43:00 quark I only download from what.cd

16 15:43:00 Morasique the network functioned the last two years, so i feel ok blaming freshman for it

16 15:43:00 Morasique tommost: done

16 15:43:00 quark so its not like I upload much

16 15:43:00 quark and its liek 1 torrent at a time

16 15:44:00 Morasique i'm not saying you're single-handedly bringing down the network or something, but it's definitely bittorrents fault in general for the slow network, and i like blaming the freshman class for stuff

16 15:47:00 quark yeah...

16 15:47:00 quark I know

16 15:47:00 quark but at the beginnign of the year my torrents were great

16 15:47:00 quark ever seen they removed the restrictions they went to shit

16 15:47:00 Morasique i think a lot more people started torrenting after the restrictions went away, and it seems like they haven't stopped

16 15:48:00 quark well I was doing it from day 1

16 15:48:00 quark I only download music

16 15:48:00 quark its pretty hard to go over 3 gigs in a day downloading albums

16 15:48:00 quark thats a lot of music on a daily basis

16 16:19:00 auchter quark: indeed, gentoo >> ubuntu

16 16:35:00 crr come on now, we don't need to go into that crap

16 16:36:00 tommost Agreed.

16 17:07:00 rr72 <Morasique> +we should have rr72 do it

16 17:07:00 rr72 Morasique~ do what?

16 17:57:00 Morasique rr72: make a pastebin clone, it's right above that in the log

16 18:30:00 Morasique people abuse the subject field. we just got an e-mail with the subject "Junior class event in 30 minutes...Hatfield Hall...food, games, and movie...be there", and no body

16 18:51:00 andy753421 Morasique: actually, you forgot the eight line signature

16 18:52:00 Morasique true. and the giant letter J, i'm not sure what that was for. counting the huge signature i suppose the body is longer than the subject

16 18:53:00 Morasique http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/tcv80ipepkza7.jpg

16 18:53:00 Morasique ouch :'(

16 18:53:00 andy753421 also, the 42 lines of CSS, and the other 31 lines of MS Word generated HTML

17 01:08:00 Morasique https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-May/004196.html

17 01:08:00 Morasique that's right. ubuntu changed a 14 year old girl's life

17 01:08:00 Morasique glares at gentoo

17 01:09:00 tommost_aorist shakes his pom-poms

17 01:09:00 Morasique tommost's actions are scary an unusually high percentage of the time

17 01:09:00 tommost_aorist And it was forwarded to bug #1 :)

17 01:10:00 Morasique :D so it was

17 01:10:00 tommost_aorist Morasique: Just think, what if I were to run into your room and actually perform them?

17 01:10:00 tommost_aorist Know that I have considered doing this multiple times.

17 01:10:00 Morasique i try not to think about such things

17 01:16:00 auchter i'm trying to resist the urge of emailing rms a link to that and pointing out the use of "Linux/Ubuntu"

17 01:16:00 tommost_aorist laughs very deeply\

17 01:16:00 Morasique we don't need some 14 year old girl and her dad getting killed because you sent rms after them

17 01:16:00 tommost_aorist continues laughing

17 01:28:00 tommost_aorist Fucking drunk people.

17 01:29:00 tommost_aorist A drunk jackass just flipped half of the fuses on my half of Speed 2.

17 01:29:00 Morasique nice

17 01:30:00 tommost_aorist His name is Huddleston, and I invite you all to do anything to make his life miserable that you can.

17 01:30:00 Morasique you'd think they would lock the fuseboxes

17 01:30:00 Morasique his name is huddleston? his life is already miserable

17 01:30:00 tommost_aorist Yeah, except this is Speed, so the fuses just blow sometimes.

17 01:30:00 auchter bsb 2's aren't locked (at least they weren't last year)

17 01:30:00 Morasique i know, they don't lock any of them, i would think they would because of incidents like what just happened

17 01:30:00 auchter ah, i misunderstood

17 01:31:00 Morasique he's an ME

17 01:31:00 Morasique glares at MEs

17 01:31:00 tommost_aorist Indeed.

17 01:31:00 tommost_aorist I'm contemplating how best to get back at him in the few days remaining to do so.

17 01:32:00 tommost_aorist Would someone off campus be willing to war-dial his room? ;)

17 01:51:00 TBoneULS someone make woot not fail

17 01:56:00 tommost_aorist Someone come up with an exceptionally nasty prank that I can pull on the guy that flipped the fuses.

17 01:58:00 auchter doors open inward on speed, right?

17 01:58:00 tommost_aorist Yes.

17 01:58:00 auchter take a 55 gallon garbage can, lean it against his door. proceed to fill with water.

17 01:59:00 tommost_aorist Good idea, but I don't want to have to pay for his carpet.

17 01:59:00 auchter you won't if no one knows it was you. i suggest doing this around 6am, things are pretty dead around that time

17 02:02:00 auchter also, you'll probably want to kill luglog, too

17 02:03:00 Mishtal water wont make you need to pay for the carpet, if your careful

17 02:03:00 Mishtal last year on speed three, my roommate, myself and about 4 other people had a giant water fight

17 02:04:00 Mishtal no one mentioned a word to me

17 02:04:00 Mishtal (about paying)

17 02:06:00 auchter less destructive (i.e. better idea): get a few hundred plastic cups. fill them with water, make a pyramid of them (at least 2m high) in front of his door

17 02:09:00 Mishtal or wait until the person is out, and carefully tape a thousand of them together on all of his surfaces

17 02:09:00 Mishtal then fill each with water

17 02:09:00 Mishtal stole that from the internet but still humorous

17 02:12:00 andy753421 tommost: http://andy753421.ath.cx/castle/images/dscn0621.jpg :)

17 02:17:00 Mishtal nice...

17 02:17:00 Mishtal whos room was that?

17 02:20:00