01 02:00:00 Mishtal general question: has anyone, or is anyone experiencing these symptoms?: i can get a connection to www.dig.com a connection but only recieve part of the info from www.facebook.com, no connection, ping or firefox, to google, yahoo, microsoft, cnn, abc nbc, etcetera .com, have completely powered down my modem and powered it back on several times and am connected directly (no router) to my cable modem, had this particular set up working ju
01 02:01:00 Mishtal (digg* not dig)
01 02:07:00 Mishtal hehem.. never mind. user error
01 13:32:00 tommos1 I reiterate: anyone running Hardy on their laptop? I'm going into Compiz withdrawal here.
01 13:45:00 Morasique you could just watch this over and over again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w
01 13:55:00 Morasique i think youtube's april fools thing is my favorite ever. click any of the featured videos
01 14:42:00 auchter for all you people claiming that plan9 has horrible hardware support, this just proves that companies are still taking it seriously: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/shrinter.shtml
01 14:49:00 tommos1 Morasique: Yeah, and now that Flash audio works, it's doubly entertaining!
01 14:51:00 tommos1 (Crappy YouTube video + crappy YouTube mono audio)
01 14:54:00 tommos1 auchter: That is precious.
01 14:56:00 auchter i know, i was so happy to see that
01 15:08:00 tommos1 Woot needs to stop spamming my RSS reader.
01 15:11:00 Morasique :D i was completely confused when i saw the woot-off and it was the same thing from midnight
02 01:53:00 auchter ah, finally back to the sanity of gentoo
02 01:56:00 tommost I could use some sanity myself. Hurting Heron for me.
02 01:56:00 tommost I blame ATI, though.
02 01:57:00 tommost So, what has everyone been up to this break?
02 02:04:00 auchter meh, the usual: caffeine withdrawal, confusion over the ability to sleep for extraordinary amounts of time, the joy of not being in terre haute, etc.
02 02:07:00 tommost Michigan outclasses Terre Haute? I thought that it was basically rusting out.
02 02:10:00 auchter michigan is indeed bad, but terre haute is many times worse
02 02:10:00 Morasique hey, some of us are in terre haute still
02 02:10:00 Morasique i'm ok with it though, i haven't left the building since friday or so
02 02:10:00 Morasique i'm not sure if it's daytime or not at this point
02 02:11:00 tommost That's what I have speculated BSB basement must be like.
02 02:11:00 Morasique indeed. i'm a big fan
02 02:12:00 tommost auchter: Is there anywhere in Michigan that doesn't suck?
02 02:13:00 auchter the area of suck is mostly concentrated around flint and detroit (though detroit does have several redeeming qualities)
02 02:13:00 auchter examples of areas that don't suck: ann arbor and the northwest coast
02 02:13:00 Morasique tboneuls is from michigan, i have to imagine there's increased suck around his hometown
02 02:14:00 tommost And where does the upper peninsula rank in all of this?
02 02:14:00 auchter tommost: irrelevant
02 02:14:00 tommost As I suspected.
02 02:15:00 auchter Morasique: tboneuls is from grosse pointe, if i remember... hard to find a nicer area than that, though it is awfully close to detroit
02 02:15:00 tommost What's it's total population? 3,000 + the number of students at that one university up there.
02 02:16:00 Morasique auchter: yeah, he is. and i've seen grosse pointe blank, assassins come from that town
02 02:17:00 auchter tommost: are we counting the moose?
02 02:17:00 tommost Let's, for kicks.
02 02:19:00 auchter accoding to wikipedia: 312,153 people
02 02:20:00 tommost Yeah. But are they really people as we think of them? Or are they just moose selkies?
02 02:22:00 auchter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_%28proposed_state%29
02 02:22:00 auchter apparently they're america's quebec
02 02:23:00 tommost WTF.
02 02:25:00 tommost Okay, making it part of Wisconsin sort of makes sense, though I have no idea why we'd want that. But it's own state? It'd be another South Dakota. (I'd say North, but it has lakes.)
02 02:25:00 Morasique 50 is such a convenient number of states, if a state wants to break up they should have to convince two other states to combine
02 02:25:00 tommost More like Michigan's quebec.
02 02:26:00 auchter five states should break off, that way we could have a fibonacci number of states
02 02:26:00 auchter and it would be palindromic as well
02 02:26:00 tommost Well, how about we squish together the Dakotas and Washington to form BigPlaneOfNothingness. Then we can get Puerto Rico in on the new state action.
02 02:27:00 auchter tommost: that wouldn't work, as there would be mass suicide over the use of camel case in a state's name
02 02:27:00 Morasique i've always suspected texas secretly belongs to mexico, and we just haven't announced it publicly yet
02 02:27:00 tommost Why? We do it for cities.
02 02:28:00 auchter since when?
02 02:28:00 tommost Morasique: No, Texas is it's own country.
02 02:28:00 tommost auchter: LaCrosse, WI. (Of course, I prefer La
02 02:28:00 tommost Crosse myself.)
02 02:29:00 auchter well, that's wisconsin (as irrelevant as the UP)
02 02:30:00 tommost There are a number of other cities named La Crosse.
02 02:30:00 auchter there shouldn't be.
02 02:30:00 tommost It's not as bad as Springfield.
02 02:30:00 tommost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield
02 02:31:00 tommost 5 in Wisconsin alone!
02 02:32:00 auchter heh, i live right by a springfield township.
02 02:33:00 tommost Apparently LaCrosse, Indiana is the canonical spelling of that city's name. It's in LaPorte county.
02 02:36:00 octavious chillin in a hostel in montreal :)
02 02:36:00 auchter octavious: anything good going on there?
02 02:37:00 octavious two nights of drunkinly stumbling through the city
02 02:37:00 octavious alot of bars and strip clubs
02 02:38:00 auchter that would indeed count
02 02:39:00 auchter you drive up there?
02 02:49:00 octavious yeah
02 02:50:00 octavious a group of six RAs drove up for the week
02 02:50:00 octavious spending a few days in montreal, then to toronto
02 02:51:00 octavious then crossing to detroit for a baseball game on friday
02 03:53:00 Morasique why does google do things like "while (false) stuff_that_never_happens" or "true ? stuff : stuff_that_never_happens"?
02 03:55:00 tommost In what context?
02 03:55:00 tommost JavaScript?
02 03:57:00 Morasique no, c++
02 03:57:00 Morasique although explaining it to me in any context would work
02 03:58:00 Morasique i'm learning c++ finally 'cause i need it for my internship, and i'm reading through some of their open source code online, and they do stuff like that all the time
02 03:58:00 tommost Easy debugging modifications?
02 03:58:00 Morasique maybe. you'd think they'd just use a constant at the top or something
02 03:58:00 tommost Yeah, looking at jobs around here I think that I need to learn C++ too.
02 03:59:00 Morasique it's not nearly as terrible as i expected, i've only seen C before which is much worse
02 03:59:00 Morasique not to say c++ is in any way good. just not as terrible as i expected
02 04:00:00 tommost As terrible as I expect it to be, I suppose that I can expect my expectations to be similarly unsatisfied.
02 12:56:00 auchter C++ makes me cringe.
02 12:57:00 auchter i don't know how they could have done such a thing to such a beautiful, concise language
02 12:58:00 tommost Beautiful? I'd contest that.
02 12:58:00 auchter you would
02 12:59:00 tommost Well, the C I wrote to interface with the motor controllers is kind of beautiful.
02 13:00:00 tommost Take a look: https://project.rhitrobotics.org/trac/rt/browser/trunk/rb/drivers/_motor_controller.c
02 22:11:00 Morasique i'm enjoying the dominos pizza tracker, i have a script running that pops up a gnome alert everytime something happens. never again will i be in the dark about the status of my pizza
02 22:13:00 auchter i think that's wiki-worthy
02 22:14:00 Morasique you can get the script from http://random.noflashlight.com/, i just changed it to run continuously and only print new updates, and to show gnome alerts instead of just console output
02 22:17:00 auchter ah, brilliant... time to modify it to use dzen
02 22:19:00 auchter i wonder if i could justify ordering a pizza for, uh, "debugging purposes"
02 23:08:00 Morasique this went by on reddit programming: http://www.dehp.net/dars.htm
02 23:08:00 Morasique look at the source code
02 23:08:00 Morasique apparently nobody told their programmers about , so they invented their own solution
02 23:25:00 tommost Hmmm. So, I got dual monitors working with the flgrx (WTF is with that name, BTW?) driver, but now I get an X server error from gtk-window-decorator---which means that Gnome is pretty well broken (the whole "all windows in the upper-left hand corner, immobile" thing).
02 23:25:00 tommost So I'm typing this under Ratpoison.
02 23:26:00 tommost (I'd use Wmii2, but I can't remember how to open programs under it.)
02 23:28:00 Morasique it alarms me that there appear to be so many problems with a release coming out in less than a month
02 23:29:00 tommost I think that it's mainly to do with ATI graphics adapters.
02 23:29:00 tommost And their general crappiness.
02 23:29:00 Morasique well good. as long as it doesn't affect me i'm fine with it
02 23:29:00 tommost But yeah, they'd better get Compiz working for me by the release date.
02 23:30:00 tommost It'd be lame to have to tell all the OS students that they can't have their eyecandy because Rose made them buy laptops with ATI graphics chipsets.
02 23:31:00 tommost (Though the Juniors might have the last laugh...)
02 23:32:00 tommost I'll be right back. I'm gonna see if OpenBox works.
03 00:05:00 tommost Things are seriously messed up here. gdm now crashes, repeatedly, on boot.
03 00:05:00 tommost And of course, running startx brings up Gnome with Metacity, so I can't move or resize windows because of the gtk-window-decorator problem.
03 00:10:00 Morasique er. wait, gdm crashes but you can get into gnome with metacity?
03 00:12:00 Morasique i think blazeix was having a problem where gdm crashed once or twice and then worked every boot, i don't know if he fixed it or just ignores it for now
03 00:25:00 tommost gdm crashes in an infinite loop.
03 00:26:00 tommost I can get into Gnome by switching to a different terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1), pkill'ng gdm, and running startx.
03 00:28:00 Morasique ah. anything in the logs?
03 00:28:00 Morasique it puts it in ~/.X something i think
03 00:32:00 tommost Hmmm. So xdm works fine.
03 00:32:00 tommost Where "fine" is defined as "doesn't crash" but doesn't include "is actually a useful program".
03 00:33:00 tommost I think that I'll try kdm now.
03 00:33:00 tommost shudders.
03 00:41:00 tommost Okay. kdm works. Somewhat. It's horribly ugly (give some error message about not being able to find a theme file), but it *does* let me select different window managers. And OpenBox works just fine.
03 00:50:00 Morasique oh, don't go over to the dark side
03 00:50:00 Morasique i would rather stare at gnome endlessly restarting itself than use kde
03 00:51:00 tommost Yes, it brings warmth to my heart that it pops an error message before functioning. But I'm not using KDE--I'm using kdm to start a Gnome/OpenBox session.
03 00:53:00 Morasique oh, i see. that's acceptable
03 00:54:00 Morasique openbox's dynamic menu thing is very cool, compiz should have a plugin for that
03 00:54:00 tommost Dynamic menu?
03 00:55:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox#Unique_features
03 00:56:00 tommost Oh. That seems very Wmii/dwm/etc.-like to me. I've never noticed it myself---it probably only appears when you're using OpenBox alone.
03 00:56:00 tommost I don't like that it uses an XML file for configuration.
03 01:00:00 tommost OMG! My mouse's back and forward buttons work!
03 01:00:00 tommost Finally!
03 01:16:00 auchter tommost: just wondering, why use kdm instead of just modifying your ~/.xinitrc and using startx?
03 01:17:00 tommost Because I don't know how to so modify it... and figuring out how is painful without a functioning desktop environment.
03 01:18:00 auchter essentially just create one with a line of "exec <path to windowmanager>"
03 01:19:00 tommost Also, I don't actually have a .xinitrc.
03 01:19:00 tommost So I was slightly confused when I looked at the man page for startx.
03 01:20:00 auchter yeah, you can just create one and it should work fine
03 01:21:00 tommost I was wondering what sort of voodoo the display managers get up to.
03 01:22:00 auchter well, they do handle login graphically, which is why most people use them i believe
03 01:28:00 tommost Did you look at that C that I linked to?
03 01:31:00 auchter yeah
03 01:32:00 tommost I was expecting a bit more of a reaction.
03 01:33:00 auchter well, the two lines of recognizable unpythonized C look fine to me, i don't understand the rest
03 01:33:00 tommost Ah.
03 01:34:00 auchter so just out of interest on how this works, what is the iit#?
03 01:34:00 tommost int, int, buffer, length of buffer
03 01:36:00 auchter ah, that's a rather strange way of formatting, but i see the logic in it
03 01:36:00 tommost http://docs.python.org/api/arg-parsing.html
03 01:37:00 tommost Formatting?
03 01:37:00 auchter as opposed to the %x %d %u %s etc.
03 01:38:00 tommost Oh, I suppose.
03 01:38:00 tommost Actually, I prefer the non %-laden one.
03 01:38:00 auchter it makes more sense for data being passed around
03 01:38:00 tommost Python uses % for lots of things, like date formatting.
03 01:39:00 tommost But really, date formatting was one of the few things that PHP gets right---simple formatting strings without the % baggage.
03 01:40:00 tommost But for things like printf, yes, you want the % as a flag so that you don't have to escape all of the other stuff.
03 01:40:00 tommost PHP's date: http://us2.php.net/date
03 01:41:00 auchter indeed, and it also give you more power than separating by character, %02X for example
03 01:45:00 tommost In Python 3000 they're introducing a new string formatting syntax: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3101/
03 01:47:00 auchter just skimming through it makes it seem overly complex, though i do appreciate the ability to output in binary...
03 01:48:00 tommost Yeah, they made it arbitrarily extensible, so it does seem to be creeping towards a full templating language.
03 01:49:00 tommost But it seems like a good idea for numeric types.
03 01:52:00 tommost (Like the Decimal type in the decimal module, which may want to apply specific rounding behaviors when formatted.)
03 19:30:00 Morasique house looked petrified on jeopardy
03 20:05:00 tommost Dang it... I missed that.
03 21:49:00 Morasique my brother left for college a couple days ago with his computer, so my mom unplugged all the stuff on his desk, including all our networking stuff
03 21:49:00 Morasique i love my family
03 22:10:00 Morasique a folder on one of my external harddrives is showing up in the ls listing with question marks for everything, and I get "Input/output error" if i try to remove it
03 22:11:00 Morasique it's not a network share or anything, it's physically connected to my machine
03 22:11:00 Morasique how do i get rid of the folder?
03 23:12:00 tommost Morasique: fdisk
04 00:47:00 auchter next time i go to install linux on a 600MHz computer, stop me before i decide on a source based distribution
04 01:52:00 povilusr_ http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/9/linux_laid.html
04 01:55:00 auchter povilusr_: 3 people in 17 years, still doing better than the emacs community (0 in 32 years)
04 02:48:00 Morasique sure, had to bring emacs into this :)
04 02:49:00 Morasique i think there's probably an anti-vim joke about insertion mode that should be made, but i wouldn't want to hurt the vim users' feelings
04 04:56:00 Morasique anybody know what console-kit-daemon is and why there are 61 instances of it running when i boot?
04 04:56:00 Morasique websites tell me i can just get rid of it, but i can't figure out what it's actually for
04 05:01:00 Morasique apparently htop is set up to show threads separately, so it's actually 61 threads under one process, which is still ridiculous. apparently there's a bug in launchpad for it though, so hopefully they fix it with hardy heron, i'm going to ignore it for now
04 13:34:00 povilusr_desktop http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM
05 16:49:00 tommost polivusr_desktop: Brillant.
05 19:46:00 rr72 anyone play Eve-Online?
05 19:46:00 tommost All too many people.
05 19:50:00 Morasique povilus, tboneuls and zeta all do
05 20:21:00 Zeta_RHIT aye
05 20:21:00 Zeta_RHIT I play, what do you need?
05 20:21:00 Zeta_RHIT just got back
06 00:34:00 tommost So. Robot status update?
06 00:34:00 tommost GPS?
06 00:40:00 tommost sighs
06 01:52:00 tommost I have a terribly painful problem. All video is scaled up nearest-neighbor (in both Totem and VLC).
06 01:54:00 tommost Any ideas?
06 02:08:00 andy753421 tommost: mplayer?
06 02:08:00 tommost I'll try it.
06 02:14:00 tommost mplayer's refusing to display video. I'll find some MPEG that I'm sure it can decode.
06 02:16:00 tommost "It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available."
06 02:17:00 andy753421 tommost: use something else (X11, gl, gl2, etc)
06 02:17:00 tommost I just tried vlc with OpenGL output... it crashed. (It always has in the past, though.)
06 02:18:00 andy753421 mplayer -vo help
06 02:18:00 tommost Just did that.
06 02:19:00 tommost Seems to display.
06 02:20:00 tommost It doesn't pop up in a proper window, though. Just a chunk of chromeless video.
06 02:21:00 tommost (This for gl and gl2.)
06 02:23:00 tommost Egh. Oh well. Now that I have Compiz working it doesn't hurt so much---I can get smooth zoom and the wm level.
06 14:12:00 Morasique it shouldn't surprise me anymore when i poke through source code for programs i like and find lines like "# this SUCKS"
06 15:44:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
06 15:56:00 kleinjt eh?
06 15:57:00 kleinjt checks log
06 17:02:00 andy753421 ough, i hate gnu/linux.. <errno.h> includes <bits/errno.h> which includes <linux/errno.h> which includes <asm/errno.h> which includes <asm-generic/errno.h> which includes <asm-generic/errno-base.h> which FINALLY defines the common error numbers
06 17:24:00 Morasique nothing like hearing a teammate say "a class is just a big function, right?" to seriously worry me
06 18:50:00 Morasique why, compiz? why do you need to use 80% of my memory when i'm not doing anything?
06 18:51:00 Zeta_RHIT Linux keeps programs in RAM a lot more than windows does
06 18:51:00 Zeta_RHIT that's not unusual
06 18:52:00 Zeta_RHIT I think wikipedia might have an article on it
06 18:52:00 Morasique it's unusual for a program to use 80% of my ram all the time so then my other programs have trouble functioning
06 18:52:00 Morasique like xchat taking 5 seconds to scroll up when i get a new message
06 18:52:00 Zeta_RHIT O.o
06 18:52:00 Morasique it happens after i lock my machine, compiz doesn't like that for some reason
06 18:53:00 Zeta_RHIT does it then work alright?
06 18:53:00 Zeta_RHIT is it just after the unlock?
06 18:53:00 Morasique no, after i unlock it it's messed up until i restart or reload compiz
06 18:53:00 Zeta_RHIT hmm
06 18:54:00 Zeta_RHIT I've never had compiz/beryl/compiz-fusion work flawlessly
06 18:54:00 Zeta_RHIT Fuqua would know better, I think
06 18:55:00 Morasique well, he uses fluxbox most of the time
06 18:55:00 Morasique like most problems, i'm hoping it'll go away in hardy, otherwise i'll mess with it more
06 18:55:00 Zeta_RHIT ah, kk
06 18:55:00 Zeta_RHIT I'm using the hardy beta atm
06 18:56:00 Zeta_RHIT w/o compiz, but it's quite nice and stable
06 18:56:00 auchter Morasique: dwm is using 0.1% of my 1GB of ram. where is your wm now?
06 18:56:00 Zeta_RHIT uptime is about 10 days now
06 18:56:00 Morasique auchter: i was waiting for you to get into this :)
06 18:56:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
06 18:56:00 Morasique i'm actually tempted to switch, if i can't get compiz to use less resources i probably will at some point
06 18:58:00 Zeta_RHIT I have to say the new gnome is nice and fast, dunno if I'll be staying with it though
06 18:58:00 Zeta_RHIT It's almost as fast as xfce somehow
06 18:58:00 Morasique alternatively, i could just keep buying more ram to feed my addiction to useless effects
06 18:58:00 Zeta_RHIT ROFL
06 18:58:00 Zeta_RHIT this has 2 gigs, so I'm not sure how it'll run on my laptop yet
06 19:03:00 ferrelaj povilusr: Any chance you can sell me lots of ethernet cable today?
06 22:01:00 tommost Something very odd just happened.
06 22:01:00 tommost All of my desktops switched ordering.
06 22:14:00 Morasique switch to dwm, you won't have that problem
06 22:14:00 Morasique ;)
06 22:18:00 tommost Hmmm... maybe I should.
06 22:18:00 tommost I really do find it unacceptable that my X server is taking up one quarter of one stick of my RAM.
06 22:18:00 tommost It's simply crippling.
06 23:11:00 auchter yes... come to the darkside...
06 23:17:00 kleinjt What are y'all taking about? Obviously, the best window manager is Internet Explorer in Wine and Web 2.0 applications.
06 23:19:00 Blazeix kleinjt, I'm rather partial to AOL's browser with wine
06 23:20:00 tommost kleinjt: http://www.pyrodesktop.org/Main_Page
06 23:21:00 auchter Amiga workbench under UAE is the best.
06 23:21:00 kleinjt That does not look like FVWM95, I find it unacceptable.
06 23:22:00 auchter "You can call it Web 3.0." anyone else get extremely angry whenever they hear stuff like this? i do.
06 23:22:00 kleinjt Windows 95 was the peak of window manager development, all proper window managers must clone the windows 95 ui.
06 23:22:00 tommost Yeah, that project looks ridiculous.
06 23:23:00 auchter i'm prefer windows 1.0, tiling ftw
06 23:23:00 tommost kleinjt: Yes, especially the 1px of dead space between the start button and the bottom-left corner. The start button is a mile high!... epic falure!
06 23:23:00 tommost *failure!
06 23:26:00 tommost andy753421: You really need to update to the "new" (as in, written before we left for break) version of the logview script---the old one has a bug where it sends long expiry headers for the newest log, which is really annoying.
06 23:27:00 andy753421 link?
06 23:28:00 auchter speaking of awesome window managers, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTL1abCm9I
06 23:29:00 kleinjt http://youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY <---
06 23:32:00 tommost auchter: It reminds me of 9wm.
06 23:32:00 auchter tommost: it should. it should also remind you of the more modern rio. care to take a wild guess why?
06 23:33:00 tommost Sad, sad men living in the past.
06 23:34:00 tommost Rob Pike, specifically (?)
06 23:34:00 auchter not quite the way i would have phrased it, but yes.
06 23:34:00 tommost "Sockets are the X windows of IO interfaces." --Rob Pike
06 23:36:00 auchter "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing." --Rob Pike
06 23:36:00 andy753421 yay favorite Rob Pike quote time ;)
06 23:37:00 auchter of course, now what's your favorite?
06 23:37:00 andy753421 hm.. "Fancy algorithms are slow when n is small, and n is usually small." --Rob Pike
06 23:39:00 tommost DFS appears to be down.
06 23:39:00 andy753421 what are you using that for?
06 23:40:00 tommost I had to use PowerPoint. It's the easiest way to get things to a terminal server.;
06 23:40:00 tommost (They gave me a roaming profile.)
06 23:52:00 tommost Support ticket away.
06 23:52:00 tommost Good night.
07 00:05:00 auchter andy753421: you should really upload your gpg key to the key exchange (unless you've managed to generate a key of "test", haha)
07 00:06:00 andy753421 does it break stuff or you or something? (note: I should also figure out how to use GPG with mutt)
07 00:06:00 auchter andy753421: no, it just looks ridiculous :)
07 00:40:00 andy753421 auchter: can you send me a signed e-mail and an encrypted e-mail?
07 00:41:00 andy753421 wait, you would need my public key to encrypt it wouldn't you?
07 00:43:00 auchter andy753421: indeed i would
07 01:35:00 kleinjt the ringing in my ears from listening to microphone feedback to drown out other sounds has finally stopped. hurray. I'm going to try sleep.
07 01:37:00 Morasique i've used colored noise to do that before, somebody in the building enjoys drumming, quite often
07 01:38:00 andy753421 auchter: i just sent you a signed message, you should see if it worked. It seems thunderbird signs messages differently than mutt does
07 01:43:00 Morasique wow. they're getting rid of the AP CS AB exam: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/03/AR2008040303925.html
07 01:43:00 Morasique although that was a great excuse to abuse acronyms
07 01:47:00 auchter andy753421: is your key id 0x23AD8597? (just post your key to the key exchange, actually)
07 01:47:00 auchter becuase if it is, Enigmail says it's unverified, which leads me to believe it's not
07 01:50:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, enigmail says the key id that sent that message is 0xFB355D30, so i don't have your key to verify the signature
07 02:00:00 andy753421 ok, i posted it
07 02:03:00 auchter andy753421: your signature worked fine, and on the bright side gpg forced me to set my clock correctly
07 02:10:00 auchter gpg, unlike python, does not like importing things from the future
07 02:15:00 andy753421 ok, i imported your key using 'gpg --import keys.gpg'..
07 02:15:00 andy753421 is there anything else I have to do in order for it to verify messages you signed? (right now it says unable to verify)
07 02:18:00 auchter i don't believe so... i'll sign and encrypt an email, see how that works
07 02:20:00 andy753421 ok, i decrypted that correctly
07 02:25:00 auchter did the signature show as valid?
07 02:26:00 auchter if not, the only other thing I can think of is that you didn't sign my key and it considers it invalid for that reason
07 02:54:00 andy753421 i blame it on mutt not liking thunderbirds method of signing messages
07 03:03:00 auchter not sure what you mean by method, enigmail takes its signed output directly from gpg
07 03:04:00 andy753421 the signature is fine, it has to do with the way that it is sent in the e-mail
07 03:05:00 andy753421 thunderbird embeds the signature directly in the body of the message
07 03:06:00 auchter i was under the impression that that's how it's supposed to be
07 03:06:00 andy753421 mutt calls that way 'deprecated' and expects the a multipart message with the signature as an attachment
07 03:08:00 andy753421 the attachment method is nice because it works better with people who don't use PGP
07 03:09:00 andy753421 i.e. when an outlook user hits reply, it only includes the message part and not the signature part
07 03:09:00 andy753421 so you don't get 'half signed message' errors
07 03:15:00 andy753421 also, thunderbird is sending it as 'text/plain' instead of 'application/pgp' so i'm having maildrop rewrite the message headers when it delivers messages
07 03:18:00 auchter andy753421: did that message work alright?
07 03:18:00 andy753421 yep
07 03:18:00 andy753421 was there a setting for that?
07 03:18:00 auchter yeah, just needed to enable PGP/MIME
07 03:19:00 auchter it's actually a rather stupid process to enable though
07 03:19:00 auchter s/enable/enable it/
07 03:22:00 Morasique i'm trying thunderbird because i'm tired of evolution sucking. how do i get it to pull all my folders from exchange, instead of just the messages in my inbox?
07 03:22:00 auchter Morasique: right click on your rose account, then go to subscribe
07 03:23:00 Morasique auchter: damn, i looked right at that option and didn't click it. thanks
07 03:24:00 auchter no problem. now, i'm going to sleep as i had planned to an hour ago.
07 09:40:00 auchter it's depressing, there's a sun ultra 10 on the free table, but it's missing the ram and hdd
07 09:41:00 tommost That's some pricey RAM.
07 09:43:00 auchter i'm guessing (since the case was off) that someone took the ram thinking it was normal (pc133 etc) SDRAM
07 09:45:00 tommost That would be quite stupid. Who would want PC 133 RAM? (Unless they wanted ECC for their ridiculous IBM server...)
07 09:45:00 auchter i still have several computers that use it...
07 09:46:00 tommost But you haven't maxed them out on free RAM by now?
07 09:46:00 tommost I have a bag full of PC 100/133.
07 09:47:00 auchter i've just never really bothered
07 09:48:00 tommost What do these machines do, anyway? Route packets?
07 09:49:00 auchter i have two dedicated to playing music, and one as a shell server at home
07 11:30:00 Morasique this is from the plp reading: c f z l = c’ (x t g -> f x (g t)) z l
07 11:30:00 Morasique it's scary that such a thing is valid
07 12:42:00 Morasique steve asked "how do we avoid making software" and i had my mouth open to say "be an SE" before i realized that might be a bad idea
07 13:52:00 povilusr_ even though pny's rma office has mental retardation issues(25 emails to get the correct rma number) i got ram in like 2 days
07 13:52:00 povilusr_ and 2Gb>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1Gb
07 13:52:00 Morasique2 i would try to process how much greater that is, but i only have 1gb of ram
07 13:53:00 povilusr_ yea, your memory can probably only hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
07 13:53:00 povilusr_ not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
07 13:56:00 povilusr_ also more memory = no kinks to firefox in quick launch
07 14:38:00 tommost Morasique2: What's this about SEs?
07 14:42:00 auchter anyone up for giving a presentation this week (i don't think we discussed this at the last meeting)
07 14:43:00 povilusr_ someone should give a presentation on dev tools(no vi/emacs) in nix
07 14:44:00 auchter what are these "dev tools" you speak of?
07 14:44:00 povilusr_ gdb, off the top og my head
07 14:44:00 tommost Yes, someone needs to explain gdb.
07 14:45:00 auchter i've only used gdb once or twice, so i'm not exactly a good candidate for explaining it...
07 14:45:00 povilusr_ gdb and simular debugers for other langugaes, otehr ide's if people use them?
07 14:46:00 povilusr_ that stupid java one that had built in documentation, or even vi for coding
07 14:47:00 auchter plan9(port) has a debugger called acid, but i've never looked into it
07 14:47:00 andy753421 i use gdb sometimes, but i generally find it faster easier to use print statements..
07 14:47:00 povilusr_ thats caus youve never used gdb in emacs
07 14:48:00 andy753421 nemiver is a nice GTK gdb frontent..
07 14:48:00 povilusr_ if i had coded c in a year or id do it
07 14:48:00 andy753421 someone should tell me how to use autotools
07 14:49:00 povilusr_ never even heard of them
07 14:49:00 auchter no one should use autotools. ever.
07 14:49:00 tommost Would this be ./configure stuff?
07 14:50:00 andy753421 tommost: yes
07 14:50:00 tommost Lots of people seem to hate it. Why?
07 14:53:00 andy753421 it's really big
07 14:53:00 tommost That's it?
07 14:54:00 auchter it's complicated
07 14:54:00 tommost It's a complicated problem, isn't it?
07 14:55:00 andy753421 really, it's just a huge hack in order to get around a lack of standard naming conventions
07 14:58:00 andy753421 that, and it does dependency checking, which is slightly useful
07 14:58:00 tommost Is it an unnecessary hack?
07 14:59:00 andy753421 tommost: uhh.. sort of? If you could get everyone to agree on naming conventions then it would not be necessary, although you might still want to have something that checks dependencies
07 15:00:00 tommost So yes, it is necessary.
07 15:00:00 andy753421 well, theirs other solutions as well
07 15:01:00 tommost Elaborate.
07 15:01:00 andy753421 autotools is one of the more complicted of them
07 15:01:00 auchter wow, tom calling massive amounts of perl "necessary"
07 15:01:00 andy753421 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Autoconf.svg
07 15:02:00 andy753421 theirs cmake, imake, qmake as well, (and normal make..)
07 15:02:00 andy753421 and some others.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_build_automation_software
07 15:05:00 tommost auchter: Actually, I assumed that it was shell script, which I rank even worse than Perl.
07 15:06:00 auchter tommost: why do you hate unix?
07 15:06:00 auchter haha
07 15:06:00 tommost Hehe.
07 15:08:00 tommost andy753421: At least a third of those use XML for configuration and therefore suck.
07 15:08:00 tommost andy753421: Have you used Rake?
07 15:09:00 andy753421 tommost: yes, i prefer mk
07 15:12:00 auchter the guy who wrote make even prefers Mk
07 15:19:00 auchter the problem is how universal make is... every one has it, so that's what i end up using when i have to turn stuff in
07 15:54:00 auchter those damn emacs users and their loud motorcycles
07 17:11:00 povilusr_kaaba those vi users and there slow inefficent cars
07 17:22:00 povilusr_kaaba zeta wants a presentation on samba config
07 17:22:00 povilusr_kaaba anyone willing its been a while and i was never that good but i can if no one else kow is
07 17:22:00 Zeta_RHIT nodnods
07 17:23:00 Morasique is there much to samba configuration?
07 17:23:00 povilusr_kaaba good one san ba a small pain
07 17:23:00 povilusr_kaaba good ones can be*
07 17:24:00 povilusr_kaaba my rule usually is if oriley bothers qriting a book, its probably not retardidly easy
07 17:24:00 povilusr_kaaba http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/
07 20:22:00 tommost The way my desktop goes into a hard freeze after running for about 20 minutes makes it rather useless as a PulseAudio server, I think.
07 20:23:00 Morasique well, not useless, assuming you're only interested in listening for 20 minutes at a time
07 20:23:00 Morasique my vista desktop restarts every couple days, i just expect it by now, i'm too lazy to try and fix it
07 20:36:00 tommost I just tried to start up my spare motherboard/PSU --- AMD K6, dual ISA sound cards. It would make a good sound server. I'm not sure that it works, though. It doesn't seem to be.
07 21:08:00 auchter http://9fans.net/archive/2008/04/86
07 21:09:00 Morasique i can't remember the last time i clicked a link that wasn't rick roll. that was nice
07 21:11:00 auchter has anyone done an ascii based telnet rickroll?
07 21:13:00 Morasique you could be the first
07 21:13:00 Morasique we were talking about how somebody should hack the clock tower and rick roll it
07 21:13:00 Morasique if the siren system they installed over break is capable of playing any audio, that's the ultimate goal
07 21:14:00 auchter i was just going to suggest the same.
07 21:14:00 auchter 130dB of rick astley
07 21:14:00 Morasique it would take them a while to find somebody that can shut it off i bet
07 21:15:00 auchter we'd probably be arrested as terrorists.
07 21:15:00 Morasique it would absolutely be worth it
07 21:19:00 auchter you might actually be right.
07 21:28:00 Morasique now if anyone ever pulls this off we're going to get arrested and the cops are going to have printouts of luglog
07 21:38:00 octavious we can fix that...
07 23:18:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/EB6zk095.html why openoffice, why?
07 23:52:00 tommost auchter: Is that seriously a 1.15 GB oo.o binary?
07 23:57:00 Morasique blazeix was talking about that too, what's wrong with it?
07 23:58:00 tommost smacks Morasique
07 23:58:00 Morasique ow?
08 00:21:00 Morasique oh, i finally got what you meant. i meant why is the file 1.15 gb, what's wrong with the package that's making it so large
08 00:21:00 tommost Oh. I apologize for the abuse, then.
08 00:22:00 Morasique it's ok, i cried for a while but i'm good now
08 00:50:00 tommost andy753421: Now the latest version of the logview script does URL linkification. And crude tab expansion.
08 01:02:00 auchter yeah, there's no way i'm installing oo
08 01:03:00 tommost I'm with you there.
08 01:04:00 tommost What on earth is bloating the package so much? I mean, aside from the normal bloat of oo.o.
08 01:05:00 auchter no idea. on the bright side, the ~300k antiword does a very competent job
08 01:12:00 auchter heh, from this c6000 workshop from TI that we're using in ece332: "Exam is open mind, open book, open eyes. Sharing answers, cheating, asking the instructor questions, anything to get the highest grade possible is completely acceptable, encouraged, and expected."
08 08:12:00 povilusr_ indanna cops are retarded
08 08:13:00 povilusr_ the light at poplar and 46 is out and instead of directing trafic they are sitting there watching
08 09:11:00 tommost Can anyone else connect to DFS using sshfs?
08 09:12:00 tommost It works from SecureFX on the terminal server.
08 09:13:00 povilusr_desktop the cops are finnaly directing trafic
08 09:15:00 collinjc Yeah, I kind of chuckled a bit as I passed through that intersection.
08 09:25:00 auchter tommost: i can connect using sftp just fine
08 09:25:00 tommost Hmm.
08 09:26:00 tommost Did you ever get public key login working, BTW?
08 09:29:00 auchter not fully. it says "authenticated with partial success", and then prompts me for a password
08 09:29:00 auchter i'm still talking to iait about it
08 09:29:00 tommost I'll make an attempt myself, then, and open a ticket if I fail.
08 09:31:00 auchter ok, but it's probably not necessary to open a ticket
08 09:31:00 auchter they're being suprisingly helpful about it
08 09:31:00 tommost They really should remove that e-mail address --- helpdesk@rose-hulman.edu --- it makes it so easy to file tickets that I do so at the slightest hint of a legitimate issue.
08 09:31:00 tommost Okay then. I won't.
08 09:31:00 auchter haha
08 09:32:00 tommost My latest ticket is "enable text anti-aliasing on the terminal servers".
08 10:25:00 Morasique why do evolution and thunderbird both recommend my reply to an e-mail start above the inline quote but my signature go below it? that makes no sense to me at all
08 11:03:00 auchter Morasique: i hate top-posting, i don't know why it's the default
08 11:03:00 Morasique top-posting being posting the reply above the original message?
08 11:04:00 auchter yeah
08 11:05:00 Morasique i imagine it's so you can see the new part of the message without needing to scroll
08 11:05:00 Morasique i don't care what order the message is in, i don't get why it wants to put my reply in one place and my signature in another, so all the signatures pile up at the bottom of the e-mail completely separated from the message they actually correspond to
08 11:06:00 auchter A: Because it's annoying to read.
08 11:06:00 auchter Q: Why is top posting bad?
08 11:06:00 Morasique top posting makes sense to me, i like things in descending order, i sort my inbox that way
08 11:07:00 auchter yes, but the conversation is completely out of order
08 11:07:00 auchter and intelligent mail clients collapse the quotes anyway
08 11:09:00 Morasique it's not completely out of order, it's in order, just descending order. if for some odd reason you want to reread the entire conversation, start from the bottom and scroll up
08 12:13:00 povilusr yay they fixed the light
08 12:26:00 tommost This says something pretty scathing about the speed of Ruby 1.8: http://ejohn.org/blog/ruby-vm-in-javascript/
08 12:26:00 ferrelaj povilusr: sell me cabling today?
08 13:27:00 Morasique it's comforting that thunderbird can't distinguish the stupid all-campus e-mails we get from scams
08 13:27:00 Morasique although half the time, neither can i
08 15:07:00 Morasique steve's insanity stops being amusing and starts pissing me off when i remember he controls my grade. he took off a bunch of points on my last team assignment because we were missing a section we clearly had. i e-mailed him and told him where the section was in our document, and said "here's the section for your reference" and copy-pasted the section into the e-mail. he replied with "I did see the part at the end about MVC which your email here discus
08 15:07:00 Morasique ses, but it wasn't quite the level of discussion I was hoping for. If you add in what's in your email, here, that'd be about what I was hoping for."
08 15:07:00 Morasique he literally said the section in the document wasn't enough, but the section in the e-mail, which i copy pasted from the same document, was what he was looking for
08 16:21:00 povilusr_desktop i can sell cable whenever
08 16:44:00 ferrelaj ok
08 16:49:00 MoraSique cool. i just checked the log for the first time this month, and my steve rant put me in the lead by 9 words. take that tommost
08 16:50:00 MoraSique well. now it's 36 words
08 16:50:00 tommost Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!
08 16:50:00 MoraSique well. now it's 41 words
08 16:50:00 MoraSique (i should make a bot for this)
08 16:50:00 tommost I still have the lead in both lines and characters, I feel obliaged to point out.
08 16:51:00 tommost Thunderbird did the same thing for me, BTW.
08 16:51:00 MoraSique well maybe you should've made the table sort by that :)
08 16:51:00 tommost I was going to make it sortable with JavaScript.
08 16:51:00 MoraSique you can change the default, i've just never understood why it's like that
08 16:51:00 MoraSique oooooo
08 16:52:00 tommost Of course, Andy never uploads my improved versions.
08 16:53:00 tommost As I mentioned last night, I have a version that will linkify links and makes whitespace not get crushed by HTML.
08 16:54:00 tommost Also, I wish that join/part messages were recorded in the log. Sometimes the log is confusing because they're not there.
08 16:55:00 MoraSique you should make a competing log and host it on your own server. mostly because it would amuse me :)
08 16:56:00 tommost An interesting idea.
08 16:57:00 MoraSique and then i can fork your version to make my own, and soon half the channel will be log bots
08 16:58:00 tommost That would be amusing.
08 16:58:00 tommost I was thinking about creating a log bot anyway, for some of the other channels I hang out in.
08 16:58:00 MoraSique IRC makes it too easy, they take the fun out of it
08 16:59:00 tommost Ah, he enters.
08 16:59:00 MoraSique now we're in trouble
08 16:59:00 tommost MoraSique: shh
08 16:59:00 MoraSique tommost: it's ok, there's no way he can find out what we were talking about
08 17:01:00 andy753421 ...
08 17:07:00 andy753421 MoraSique: signatures are redundant, that's what the 'From: ' header is for
08 17:07:00 MoraSique well, that's a whole different argument, but if i have a signature, it should be after my message, not in some other random place
08 17:07:00 andy753421 tommost: send me a link to the updated script
08 17:08:00 tommost It's in the same place as ever: https://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/log/
08 17:11:00 andy753421 and why is wget -r -np not working..
08 17:12:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/log/loggen.py
08 17:18:00 andy753421 tommost: have you been testing that script at all?
08 17:19:00 andy753421 (because it's not working again)
08 17:21:00 tommost I have, yes.
08 17:21:00 tommost I'll be right back--need to go proctor.
08 17:22:00 andy753421 alright, it looks like log.cgi needs a one of the print statements to be tabbed over to there right
08 17:22:00 tommost Err, wait. Nevermind.
08 17:22:00 andy753421 namely, the one on line 40
08 17:23:00 tommost You're using my log.cgi? I thought you made changes to it.
08 17:25:00 andy753421 I made a few changes to it, I wasn't sure if you had updated that too so I just re-downloaded everything
08 17:26:00 tommost Oh, actually, I did modify the log.cgi file. I didn't test it, though.
08 17:27:00 tommost Yeah, you're right. I've updated my file.
08 17:34:00 auchter i was just about to use a homework problem as an excuse to learn yacc (to make a parser for a calculator), but then i remembered that infix notation is stupid, and why rpn is so nice
08 17:35:00 MoraSique wait a minute, auchter and i agree on something
08 17:36:00 MoraSique maybe it's not really auchter
08 17:36:00 andy753421 yea.. but circumfix is the coolest :P
08 17:37:00 MoraSique circumfix. like e-mail signatures in thunderbird. :)
08 17:37:00 MoraSique we should just put the operation in every possible place to make everyone happy
08 17:37:00 MoraSique + 2 + 3 + == 5
08 17:39:00 MoraSique i was wondering about infix a few weeks ago, i have no idea why we use it
08 17:39:00 MoraSique why don't we learn prefix or postfix in school? infix is a pain
08 17:39:00 auchter in speech, it just kind of flows that way
08 17:39:00 auchter i always say "one plus two", not "one two plus"
08 17:39:00 MoraSique well, you would read it "one and two added"
08 17:39:00 andy753421 it's what maths uses as well.. stupid maths
08 17:40:00 MoraSique that's what i mean by "in school", why don't we use prefix or postfix for math?
08 17:40:00 MoraSique i prefer prefix personally, but even postfix would be better
08 17:41:00 MoraSique at least they're not ambiguous so you don't need parentheses scattered everywhere
08 17:41:00 andy753421 well, since math was invented on paper it's not subject to a byte stream, so the operator type doesn't really matter
08 17:42:00 andy753421 like, what type of operator is integral?
08 17:42:00 andy753421 top-bottom-right-fix?
08 17:42:00 auchter i'd say prefix
08 17:43:00 auchter or circumfix, actually
08 17:43:00 andy753421 or square root, 'overfix' :)
08 17:44:00 auchter or exponentiation, upper-right fix
08 17:45:00 MoraSique i never thought about that, math cheats
08 17:45:00 andy753421 MoraSique: you clearly don't try to do all your homework in ascii ;)
08 17:46:00 MoraSique no, i like openoffice math :). but i'm sure you've done it, and auchter probably likes it that way
08 17:46:00 auchter i do my homework in LaTeX
08 17:46:00 auchter i also take notes in LaTeX, as i'm apparently a masochist
08 17:46:00 MoraSique nice. i know nothing in the way of math in tex
08 17:47:00 auchter most of the stuff is pretty intuitive
08 17:47:00 MoraSique i usually do non-math homework in tex, and then midway through last quarter steve told us we had to exchange all our documents so we could use "change tracking in word" to change them, and he made me redo them in word
08 17:47:00 andy753421 currently, i prefer unicode, also, command line maple supports variables such Δλ_max
08 17:48:00 auchter MoraSique: i'm glad i won't have to deal with that.
08 17:48:00 rr72 povilusr_ hey
08 17:48:00 auchter in fact, if my team members don't know latex, i usually make them learn it.
08 17:49:00 MoraSique auchter: i just volunteer to do all the typing, i feel bad making them learn it
08 17:49:00 rr72 MoraSique~ ty
08 17:49:00 auchter well, the main reason i like it for team work is the ease of collaboration
08 17:50:00 auchter .doc and svn don't get along
08 17:50:00 auchter (not to mention the fact that i don't get along with .doc...)
08 17:51:00 MoraSique i've never had a problem with word and svn before, i just find tex faster and i like the way the output looks more
08 17:52:00 MoraSique sexy, sexy ligatures
08 17:52:00 MoraSique . . .
08 17:52:00 rr72 povilusr_ povilusr_desktop
08 17:52:00 auchter am i missing something heree?
08 17:53:00 MoraSique i have no idea what he's doing
08 17:54:00 rr72 me?
08 17:54:00 rr72 i was thanking MoraSique for his reply a few days ago
08 17:55:00 MoraSique i got that, what is "povilusr_ povilusr_desktop"?
08 17:55:00 rr72 seeing if he is around
08 17:55:00 MoraSique ah
08 17:55:00 rr72 highlighting(?) him
08 17:55:00 rr72 not sure which one he is on
08 17:56:00 MoraSique apparently neither :). i yelled at him on aim to pay attention, it says he's there
08 17:57:00 povilusr_desktop ?
08 17:57:00 povilusr_desktop im awake
08 17:57:00 povilusr_desktop im a wake
08 18:00:00 rr72 povilusr_desktop~ there a RH Corp on eve? there should be one
08 18:01:00 povilusr_desktop no i dont think so
08 18:01:00 povilusr_desktop i like it in pure.
08 18:01:00 rr72 there enough players for a corp from RH?
08 18:01:00 povilusr_desktop dunno
08 18:02:00 rr72 huh? whats that mean?
08 18:02:00 povilusr_desktop you play?
08 18:02:00 rr72 "i like it in pure"
08 18:02:00 rr72 yeah
08 18:02:00 rr72 i forgot everything
08 18:02:00 povilusr_desktop im in pure. alliance
08 18:02:00 rr72 started a year ago on a trial acount
08 18:02:00 rr72 few days ago subscrided
08 18:04:00 rr72 you povilusr on it as well?
08 18:05:00 povilusr_desktop no
08 18:05:00 povilusr_desktop combatwombat42
08 18:05:00 povilusr_desktop and 43
08 18:07:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/oVDfWo38.html
08 18:07:00 Zeta_RHIT yar
08 18:07:00 auchter nice to see that dc is consistent
08 18:09:00 MoraSique nice. you'd think they'd use the same function to check the stack in both places
08 18:10:00 MoraSique er. mine says "stack empty" for both
08 18:11:00 auchter i'm using plan9port
08 18:11:00 MoraSique conclusion: plan 9 fails
08 18:14:00 auchter lies
08 18:17:00 povilusr_desktop FAIL
08 18:32:00 rr72 ok all better povilusr_desktop
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop has this channel been rick rolled yet?
08 18:39:00 tommost Yes.
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Were no strangers to love
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop You know the rules and so do i
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop A full commitments what Im thinking of
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop You wouldnt get this from any other guy
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop I just wanna tell you how Im feeling
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Gotta make you understand
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop * never gonna give you up
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Never gonna let you down
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Never gonna run around and desert you
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Never gonna make you cry
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Never gonna say goodbye
08 18:39:00 povilusr_desktop Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
08 18:40:00 povilusr_desktop and so on
08 18:40:00 tommost puts his fingers in his ears
08 18:40:00 tommost LALALALALALALALALA
08 18:40:00 tommost reconsiders his word count
08 18:40:00 tommost LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA
08 18:40:00 tommost LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA
08 18:41:00 rr72 hey tommost
08 18:41:00 tommost No, I do not play Eve. ;-)
08 18:42:00 tommost hey rr72
08 18:42:00 rr72 lmao
08 18:42:00 rr72 wasnt asking
08 18:42:00 rr72 talking to Zeta_RHIT and povilusr_desktop
08 18:42:00 rr72 (in eve)
08 18:42:00 tommost is somewhat confused
08 18:42:00 rr72 they play
08 18:43:00 auchter and this is relevant how?
08 18:43:00 tommost I know. The eXPerience is sinful.
08 18:43:00 rr72 damn, need to go pick up girl and go to mall/art show
08 18:43:00 rr72 uhm ... tommost i use win2k pro sp4 :-P
08 18:44:00 rr72 l8r,
08 18:44:00 rr72 playing even till need to go
08 18:44:00 tommost watches rr72 recede into the star-speckled distance
08 18:45:00 tommost Well, at least he has taste in sin.
08 18:46:00 rr72 ?
08 18:46:00 rr72 taste in sin
08 18:46:00 rr72 DONT HIGHLITE MElol
08 18:47:00 tommost (Windows 2000 is the second-best Microsoft OS. After Windows CE 2.11.)
08 18:47:00 auchter tommost: i prefer xenix to both of those
08 18:48:00 tommost laughs
08 18:48:00 tommost I can't say that I've used Xenix.
08 18:48:00 tommost I've used the other two.
08 18:49:00 tommost In fact, I'm going to bring a Windows CE 2.11 device to the LUG meeting... we're going to try to install NetBSD on it.
08 18:49:00 auchter what device?
08 18:49:00 tommost A MobilePro 780.
08 18:49:00 auchter now that looks cool.
08 18:50:00 auchter definitely bring that thursday....
08 18:50:00 tommost I will.
08 18:51:00 tommost I have a second one in parts, too.
08 18:55:00 rr72 tommost~ built of NT YEAH!
08 18:55:00 tommost I love the RMS syndrome on the Windows 2000 boot image: "Built on NT Technology"
08 18:56:00 quark tommost: why netbsd?
08 18:56:00 tommost Because it's known to work.
08 18:56:00 quark oh
08 18:56:00 quark good reason
08 18:56:00 tommost The MobilePro is a MIPS device, so there aren't many options.
08 18:57:00 rr72 VOYAGER FTW!
08 18:57:00 quark I just thought freebsd had more options
08 18:57:00 rr72 ITS THE SHIT!
08 18:57:00 quark but
08 18:57:00 rr72 you guys get verizon right?
08 18:57:00 quark I've never used netbsd
08 18:58:00 auchter netbsd is very portable
08 18:58:00 quark yeah
08 18:58:00 quark I"m reading that now
08 18:58:00 tommost I haven't really used any of the BSDs, so I'm indifferent.
08 18:58:00 quark thats apparently the point
08 18:58:00 auchter i've use openbsd for the past few years, i rather like it
08 18:58:00 tommost http://wiki.netbsd.se/How_to_install_NetBSD_2.0.2_on_an_NEC_MobilePro_780
08 18:58:00 quark I used freebsd
08 18:59:00 quark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems
08 18:59:00 quark netbsd looks sweet
08 19:00:00 rr72 freebsd?
08 19:00:00 quark that would be pretty slick
08 19:01:00 quark I want a cellphone with bsd
08 19:01:00 rr72 qnx?
08 19:01:00 auchter hah, i remember installing qnx on a computer at school in 7th grade.
08 19:01:00 auchter i haven't though about that os in quite a while
08 19:03:00 quark tommost: do you have adobe flash in firefox?
08 19:03:00 tommost Yeah.
08 19:03:00 quark did you have to install a 32 bit firefox
08 19:04:00 tommost Hardy Heron's crash detection keeps informing me that it has crashed, though.
08 19:04:00 tommost No, 64-bit.
08 19:04:00 tommost Using npwrapper.bin or whatever it's called.
08 19:04:00 quark thats the part i'm missing
08 19:04:00 quark how do you get the version of ubuntu you are running
08 19:05:00 quark is it somewhere in /etc?
08 19:06:00 tommost I don't know.
08 19:06:00 rr72 ok afk
08 19:06:00 rr72 ty Zeta_RHIT
08 19:06:00 rr72 ty povilusr_desktop
08 19:07:00 quark /etc/issue apparently
08 19:07:00 quark or
08 19:07:00 quark lsb_release -a
08 19:07:00 quark or
08 19:07:00 quark cat /etc/lsb-release
08 19:07:00 quark that is stupid
08 19:08:00 tommost Ah, well, thanks. I'd wondered how to find that information.
08 19:08:00 tommost Be right back.
08 19:12:00 Morasique i have no idea what that lsb-release thing is, but /etc/issue is the normal way
08 19:15:00 quark yeah
08 19:17:00 quark openbsd looks pretty sweet
08 19:42:00 auchter quark: it is, espeically as a router
08 19:42:00 quark yeah
08 19:42:00 quark this
08 19:42:00 quark W^X stuff
08 19:42:00 quark is pretty nifty
08 19:44:00 auchter theo de raadt is paranoid, so i rather like openbsd
08 19:44:00 auchter what time is the robotics meeting tonight?
08 19:45:00 tommost 8:00
08 19:45:00 tommost Should I send out an e-mail?
08 19:45:00 auchter if you'd like, i just completely forgot
08 19:45:00 auchter i might be a few minutes late
08 19:47:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, go for it
08 19:47:00 tommost Done.
08 19:48:00 auchter hm, i didn't get anything...
08 19:49:00 andy753421 tommost: sent it to arc@rose?
08 19:49:00 tommost grumbles
08 19:49:00 tommost It has to come from mosttw@rose... rather than thomas.w.most@rose..., apparently. Quite annoying.
08 19:50:00 auchter still don't have anything, perhaps i'm not on the list... this might explain some things...
08 19:51:00 tommost It rejected my message again.
08 19:51:00 auchter regardless, i'm heading over now.
08 22:16:00 rr72 Zeta_RHIT~ back from food?
08 22:16:00 rr72 povilusr_desktop~ ello
08 22:16:00 rr72 DAMN man it is pouring here
08 23:21:00 tommost Is anyone else profoundly pained my the messed up GTK widgets in Firefox 3b5?
08 23:22:00 rr72 nope, pained at not in bed/showering
08 23:22:00 rr72 just starting homework
08 23:22:00 rr72 FUCK!
08 23:22:00 rr72 ok night
08 23:23:00 tommost I'm trying to work on a CMS that I wrote. The widgets are black. The text on the widgets is black. This is not a recipe for readability.
08 23:40:00 Morasique tommost: not the best plan. it occurs to me, does your log colorizer check for that, or can names end up white?
08 23:42:00 tommost They can --- the color generation is slanted towards light colors because they are supposed to be on a dark background. Andy stripped that from the stylesheet when he posted it.
08 23:42:00 Morasique ah. well, apparently we all planned ahead and chose names that don't 'cause that, so good job us
08 23:43:00 Morasique /'cause/cause
09 00:22:00 auchter so, what do people think about the hp mini-note?
09 00:27:00 Morasique it's mini
09 00:46:00 auchter heh, awesome. you can mount word/excel documents using aux/olefs under plan9
09 00:48:00 tommost Not so ethused given the Via processor.
09 00:49:00 auchter tommost: the c7 is not great, i agree. however, the via isaiah is pin-compatible with it, so hopefully they'll start shipping it with that in the future
09 00:49:00 tommost The Isaiah sucks less?
09 00:50:00 auchter we've talked about it a bit in ece332, and it seems like it indeed sucks less
09 00:50:00 Blazeix auchter: what exactly can you do with a mounted word document?
09 00:51:00 tommost I don't like the MIni-Note's full-size keyboard.
09 00:51:00 tommost I prefer smaller ones.
09 00:52:00 auchter it makes extracting data from it easier, the plan9 doc2txt converter uses it, for example
09 00:52:00 auchter tommost: that's one of the reasons i'm interested in the mini-note
09 00:52:00 auchter typing on the eee was impossible
09 00:53:00 tommost I think that I actually type faster on my MobilePro --- one reason I'm interested in reviving it.
09 03:43:00 Morasique http://keyserv.nic-se.se:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=rose-hulman
09 14:21:00 auchter hey, more gpg keys
09 14:25:00 MoraSique i'm impressed there are so many rose ones on there
09 14:29:00 auchter well, most of them are probably of people who have graduated
09 14:33:00 auchter also, i have a feeling that a lot of people submit their public keys, then lose their private keys (through reinstalls or what-have-you)
09 14:33:00 auchter so sending an encrypted email would probably result in them not know what's going on
09 14:34:00 MoraSique true
09 14:35:00 MoraSique if anyone else is too lazy to change their banner bookmarks, you can make a quick greasemonkey script that redirects you, i put mine at http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mrozekma/banner.user.js
09 14:35:00 auchter i find it slightly depressing. there are tons of people worldwide who would kill to have access to stuff like gpg
09 14:36:00 MoraSique it amazes me that e-mail is still so completely unsecured
09 14:37:00 auchter i was about to say "only if you're lazy", however, that doesn't work since the majority of people are lazy.
09 14:38:00 auchter encryption only works if you have a large base that uses it
09 14:39:00 MoraSique laziness doesn't matter, clients do all the work automatically, it's getting people to use it that's the problem
09 14:39:00 auchter yeah, that initial step. there's really no excuse with stuff like enigmail, which makes it so incredibly easy
09 14:40:00 MoraSique the fact that i can go run a shell command right now that sends an e-mail to hayes purporting to be from auchtemm@rose-hulman.edu without him suspecting a thing is pretty sad
09 14:41:00 auchter indeed, though the headers would give you away, it's not something people look at
09 14:41:00 auchter with gpg, you verify the signature, essentially guaranteeing who it came from
09 14:43:00 MoraSique yeah, the headers would give me away, but i'm sure he doesn't even know what headers are, let alone how to check them, that's the problem. signatures are automatic verification, but both people need to have them set up. i sign my e-mails, but when my outlook was messed up i was sending unsigned e-mails for like two weeks, and it's not like anybody replied with "hey, i'm noticing you're not signing your e-mails, i'm suspicious", nobody cared
09 14:46:00 auchter right, then you've got the people who think "i've got nothing to hide, so what do i care?"
09 14:46:00 auchter which completely infuriates me
09 14:48:00 MoraSique there was a good article on that principle a few weeks ago, but i have no idea where it was now
09 16:19:00 andy753421 does ubuntu not come with readline?
09 16:20:00 MoraSique i'm assuming that's a command, in which case no
09 16:21:00 MoraSique i've got a package called readline-common, i'm not sure what it is
09 16:21:00 andy753421 MoraSique: it's a library, ls /usr/lib/*readline*
09 16:24:00 MoraSique oh, i see. then yes, it comes with it
09 16:24:00 MoraSique or i installed it as a dependency at some point, but i don't remember ever doing that
09 16:25:00 andy753421 hm.. do you have headers for it? (echo "#include <readline/readline.h>" | cpp)
09 16:26:00 MoraSique yes
09 16:29:00 Blazeix Ubuntu doesn't come with readline by default
09 16:29:00 Blazeix we got caught by that on our OS project, since our TA was running ubuntu
09 16:30:00 Blazeix the package is libreadline5-dev
09 16:31:00 MoraSique ah. sorry, i apparently installed that at some point without noticing
09 17:03:00 rr72 hey
09 17:20:00 Morasique auchter: can you e-mail me something signed so i can see if it works right?
09 17:21:00 rr72 want me to?
09 17:22:00 rr72 Morasique~
09 17:22:00 Morasique i don't have your key, is it on the key server?
09 17:22:00 rr72 shit that would mean me needing to re boot into kubuntu
09 17:22:00 rr72 yeah it is but too lazy to quit Eve
09 17:23:00 Morasique ok
09 17:23:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, one second
09 17:23:00 rr72 ko back to flying around
09 17:30:00 auchter Morasique: i sent it a few minutes ago, in case you didn't notice
09 17:30:00 Morasique hmm. it has the wrong timestamp, but the signature worked
09 17:30:00 Morasique thanks
09 17:33:00 auchter yeah, my clock is off
09 17:33:00 rr72 then fix it heh
09 17:33:00 rr72 ntpdate :-P
09 17:33:00 rr72 or ntpd
09 17:34:00 rr72 god damn! /etc/init.d/life stop
09 17:36:00 Morasique at least you're aware, you're not living in denial like andy753421
09 17:37:00 auchter i use UTC as well. however, my clock was still off by a few hours
09 17:38:00 andy753421 apparently sshfs uses timestamps from the server so if my clocks off make always compains
09 17:40:00 Morasique it occurs to me i have no idea why we have time zones
09 17:40:00 Morasique to wikipedia!
09 17:44:00 Morasique as far as i can tell it's an archaic practice that we're all used to now
09 17:45:00 auchter yeah, timezones suck. utc is the only logical choice
09 17:45:00 rr72 Morasique~ it is so we are not sleeping in the middle of day, (normal sleep cycle) its to sync internal clock
09 17:45:00 rr72 bad ass mood, off to sleep for who gives a fuck many hours
09 17:46:00 Morasique well, we wouldn't sleep during the standard time, we would sleep when it's night out, you just might be sleeping at noon or something if 12:00pm happens to be the middle of the night where you are
09 17:46:00 rr72 Zeta_RHIT~ let me know if you go on, like to continue conveeersation and brushing up on things, be down at Rose the 27th
09 17:47:00 rr72 or we can move above arctic circle and sleep for 6 months
09 17:47:00 Morasique yes, i hear they hibernate there
09 17:47:00 Morasique ...
09 17:49:00 auchter one of the most incoherent arguments i've heard recently...
09 17:51:00 Morasique there appears to be some confusion about how sleep works
09 17:54:00 auchter quite.
09 17:58:00 auchter so, is anyone giving a presentation tomorrow?
09 17:59:00 andy753421 i was thinking about talking about mutt
09 17:59:00 andy753421 but if anyone else want's to talk about something, that'd be cool too
09 18:00:00 auchter ok, that'd be good. i'm interested in giving a presentation sometime (next week would work better) on plumbing in linux using p9p
09 18:00:00 Zeta_RHIT would love to hear a presentation on samba config :)
09 18:01:00 andy753421 makes note of http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Presentations#Presentation_ideas
09 18:09:00 andy753421 so what's our average number of members per meeting?
09 18:09:00 andy753421 and do we have any upcoming events?
09 18:13:00 auchter i can't think of any events that we would be having
09 18:14:00 Morasique blazeix would know the people/meeting
09 18:47:00 tommost andy753421: I'm going to the performance tonight so I may be late to the meeting.
09 18:50:00 rr72 Zeta_RHIT~ hey
09 18:50:00 rr72 samba SUCKS!
09 18:50:00 rr72 heh
09 18:53:00 Morasique what do you use instead of samba?
09 18:53:00 rr72 samba
09 18:53:00 rr72 it sucks to cinfigure though
09 18:53:00 rr72 *conf
09 18:54:00 Morasique oh. well, that's why we want to have a presentation on it :)
09 18:54:00 rr72 uhm wont be there tomorrow
09 18:54:00 rr72 be there 27th
09 19:06:00 rr72 Zeta_RHIT~ bored as helland can't fight so just mining and making easy shit and selling it
09 20:49:00 andy753421 tommost: let me know when you get back, i'm a bit busy tonight as well so I'll be over in the cs lab
09 22:09:00 tommost andy753421: I'm back. It was awesome.
09 22:09:00 andy753421 tommost: alright, no meeting
09 22:10:00 tommost Okay. I have plenty of work to do. I'll come by on Saturday, though --- I have the afternoon free.
09 22:10:00 andy753421 alright
09 22:27:00 Morasique It occurs to me suddenly that I use 4 languages on a daily basis at the moment between class and work, and they all have different concatenators. It's + in Java, . in PHP, ++ in Haskell and ~ in Perl. That's not cool at all
09 22:27:00 Morasique *string concatenators
09 22:31:00 tommost I've never liked PHP's concatenation operator. It's too diminutive. (I kind of like D's variant, though.)
09 22:35:00 auchter Morasique: ~ in perl? string concatenation is done with .
09 22:36:00 Morasique perl 6, sorry
09 22:37:00 auchter ah, i've never used that... i was just really confused there for a minute
09 22:37:00 rr72 this.add("Blooody fucking hell",56,67.6);
09 22:37:00 Morasique we're doing it for our programming language paradigms class
09 22:37:00 Morasique er. what?
09 22:39:00 rr72 Morasique~ that what aimed at me?
09 22:39:00 Morasique yes
09 22:40:00 rr72 just a random string of JAva syntax
09 22:40:00 Morasique ah
09 22:40:00 rr72 rattled it off of my head
09 22:40:00 rr72 (made it up)
09 22:41:00 rr72 thats one weird call
09 22:41:00 rr72 wtf would it do?
09 22:42:00 Morasique it would depend on what this is
09 22:42:00 rr72 obviosly i know since i wrote it
09 22:42:00 rr72 (one line) lol
09 22:43:00 rr72 this();
09 22:43:00 rr72 this that = new this()
09 22:43:00 rr72 *;
09 22:43:00 rr72 is that legal or no?
09 22:43:00 rr72 i forgot
09 22:43:00 Morasique no
09 22:43:00 rr72 2 years ago i took comp sci
09 22:44:00 auchter hey, awesome, my aes program is working well... two output bytes change each time i run it. try to crack that, NSA
09 22:44:00 Morasique alarms are going off inside nsa headquarters right now
09 22:44:00 Morasique . . . undoubtedly they watch luglog
09 22:44:00 rr72 WOOP WOOP WOOP
09 22:44:00 rr72 EEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR
09 22:44:00 Morasique yes, they probably sound like that
09 22:44:00 auchter of course they do. i just try to keep them on their toes
09 22:45:00 rr72 WOOP WOOP WOOP
09 22:45:00 rr72 ok i am done
09 22:45:00 rr72 EEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR
09 22:45:00 Morasique we should have a bot that randomly pipes the output from M-x spook into the channel
09 22:45:00 rr72 M-x spook?
09 22:45:00 Morasique also, i sometimes fantasize that this channel doesn't give voice to everyone by default
09 22:45:00 auchter is there a standalone version of that?
09 22:45:00 Morasique no idea
09 22:45:00 Morasique rr72: it's an emacs thing
09 22:45:00 rr72 Morasique~ what is the most usefull thing you have coded in java
09 22:45:00 rr72 ah ok
09 22:46:00 Morasique auchter: the database is in a flat file somewhere, so it'd be easy to pull from that
09 22:46:00 Morasique uh oh
09 22:47:00 auchter it's like the arms buildup of the cold war
09 22:47:00 Morasique :D
09 22:47:00 rr72 turns off the alarm
09 22:47:00 rr72 sorry
09 22:47:00 rr72 heh
09 22:47:00 rr72 night folks
09 22:49:00 auchter /usr/share/emacs/21.3/etc/spook.lines on addiator
09 22:49:00 Morasique yeah, that's what it is on ubuntu too, but 22.1
09 22:50:00 Morasique wow, somebody took the time to make 418 entries for that
09 22:50:00 auchter the one on addiator has less. i was rather sad it was so few
09 22:51:00 auchter perhaps i should add a couple hundred and submit a patch...
09 22:52:00 Morasique :D. you should open a support ticket with iait
09 22:52:00 Morasique "the length of spook.lines is simply unacceptable"
09 22:52:00 auchter tommost seems to enjoy submitting support tickets the most, perhaps he'll do it
09 22:53:00 tommost starts reading the log
09 22:55:00 tommost I don't understand.
09 22:55:00 Morasique which part?
09 22:55:00 tommost Besides, I pride myself that almost all of my tickets are technically legitimate.
09 22:55:00 Morasique if you filter out all the lines starting with rr72 it probably makes more sense
09 22:55:00 Morasique i pride myself on the opposite
09 22:56:00 tommost I am proud that the word "technically" is necessary in that sentence.
09 22:57:00 auchter i am proud of my non-deterministic AES implementation
09 22:58:00 tommost I understood that part. To the extent that understanding such a thing is possible.
09 23:47:00 Morasique oh good, i was under the impression anyone could op themselves on #rhlug, it's comforting to see i was wrong
09 23:47:00 Morasique i thought shadghost did it once, but i'm apparently confused
10 00:02:00 Morasique is there a way to redirect stdout from a command after i've already run it?
10 00:02:00 Morasique .......i was kidding, whoever wrote that
10 00:02:00 Morasique glares at auchter
10 00:03:00 spookbot STARLAN BRLO Craig Livingstone number key illuminati Janet Reno csim
10 00:03:00 spookbot NWO Elvis Merlin afsatcom TELINT PLO Rubin sniper
10 00:03:00 Morasique so does it actually do anything, or just sit there
10 00:03:00 Morasique .......i see
10 00:03:00 auchter it would do stuff if i actually knew how to use emacs...
10 00:04:00 Morasique aren't you just using the flat file?
10 00:04:00 auchter i'm using emacs.
10 00:04:00 spookbot corporate security PLO Cocaine Ortega eavesdropping anarchy Ron Brown
10 00:04:00 spookbot USDOJ Qaddafi cybercash top secret Mena Rubin Peking Area 51
10 00:06:00 Morasique i say we should write a wikibot to answer people's questions and nothing happens, but i say we should write a spookbot and an hour later it appears :)
10 00:06:00 auchter actually, a good portion of that hour was spent building a mass scale out of a clothes hanger and duct tape
10 00:06:00 Morasique ah. well, also productive
10 00:06:00 auchter the bot didn't take any time, as it isn't actually a bot
10 00:07:00 auchter it's me in emacs.
10 00:08:00 Morasique i think writing an actual bot would come down to something about as complicated as cat spook.lines | sic
10 00:09:00 auchter yeah, but writing to the "in" fifo with emacs is more fun
10 00:09:00 Morasique well, as long as you're amusing yourself :)
10 00:10:00 Morasique i would write a fortunebot, but i think you all would quickly get tired of me asking for new fortunes every minute or so
10 00:10:00 spookbot System going down for 5 minutes -- back up in half an hour.
10 00:16:00 Morasique /spookbot/rr72
10 00:17:00 kleinjt eh
10 00:18:00 auchter yeah, what did you mean by that?
10 00:21:00 Morasique "auchter has kicked spookbot from #rhlug (you no longer amuse me.)"
10 00:22:00 Morasique it's supposed to be s/spookbot/rr72, i fail at typing
10 00:23:00 auchter he's stopped... for now
10 00:24:00 Blazeix ah ha. With this line I am no longer being beaten by spookbot in monthly line count
10 00:24:00 Morasique yeah, he's strangely quite while asleep :)
10 00:24:00 Morasique blazeix: bravo
10 00:24:00 Morasique s/quite/quiet
10 00:25:00 auchter maybe he's above the artic circle, i hear they sleep for half the year up there
10 00:27:00 Blazeix you said the a-word again
10 00:27:00 Blazeix crap
10 00:28:00 auchter ...?
10 00:28:00 Blazeix Ignore that. I was reading the scrollback, and thought Morasique had said something,
10 00:28:00 kleinjt I was above the arctic circle during break, and I didn't see anyone hibernating. However, I suppose, if they were hibernating, they wouldn't be out in the open.
10 00:28:00 auchter 21:50 < rr72> or we can move above arctic circle and sleep for 6 months
10 00:29:00 auchter kleinjt: you're obviously wrong
10 00:29:00 Morasique kleinjt: it's a long story that probably requires log reading to fully understand. actually, i'm not sure it's possible to fully understand it
10 00:29:00 Morasique i remember something about hibernating, and WOOPs, and this that this() or something, it's all kind of a blur
10 00:29:00 Blazeix next mission for tommost: ajax up the log to dynamically show new irc posts.
10 00:30:00 Morasique oooo
10 00:30:00 Morasique right click -> reload every -> enable
10 00:31:00 andy753421 my poor server, guess it's time to throw a sleep(5) into the bottom of that script ;P
10 00:31:00 Morasique :)
10 00:32:00 Morasique while true; do wget http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-04.log done
10 00:33:00 andy753421 iptables -A INPUT -s mrozekma-1.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu
10 00:33:00 andy753421 -j DROP
10 00:33:00 Morasique i don't know iptables, but i'm going to hazard that that would make me sad
10 00:33:00 Morasique hazard a guess
10 00:33:00 Morasique i fail at typing huge
10 00:33:00 kleinjt how about a current.log so we won't have to restart the process every month
10 00:33:00 auchter i don't think andy does either, but he has zsh ;)
10 00:34:00 Morasique oh wow, i didn't know zsh completed that
10 00:34:00 Morasique nice
10 00:34:00 andy753421 kleinjt: i'm lazy, no
10 00:34:00 Morasique zsh continues to astound me with it's auto-completion, i realized a few days ago that when you do svn add _______ it only autocompletes with files that aren't part of the repo already, i was pretty impressed by that
10 00:35:00 andy753421 Morasique: it also take about 5 seconds to do that :P
10 00:35:00 andy753421 especially when using the CS server :)
10 00:35:00 Morasique mine does it really fast, but i've only done it on small repos, it might take longer on big ones
10 00:35:00 Blazeix I'm going to have to install and learn zsh sometime
10 00:35:00 auchter me too.
10 00:35:00 tommost same here
10 00:36:00 andy753421 so will i
10 00:36:00 andy753421 feels cool now
10 00:36:00 Morasique if you try to autocomplete an scp remote path it'll connect to the remote machine to get the file list so it can give completion options, that one's particularly cool too
10 00:37:00 Morasique also, if tommost adds ajax updates to the log viewer all we need is a text field on the page to post to the channel and we'll have a pieced together irc client
10 00:37:00 Morasique or we could leave the text field out and have a read-only client. i can think of . . . certain uses for that
10 00:37:00 tommost I actually started working on doing that at one point. Then I started reading about IRC.
10 00:38:00 tommost It is a horrible specification.
10 00:38:00 tommost But I'm game. Maybe I'll do that this weekend.
10 00:39:00 Morasique excellent. then you can send it to andy753421 who will seamlessly update the server copy, with no problems whatsoever
10 00:39:00 auchter why would you need to deal with the irc spec?
10 00:39:00 tommost No, I'd put it on my server. There's no way I'm doing this with Python 2.4.
10 00:39:00 auchter andy uses sic as the interface for the log itself
10 00:40:00 tommost auchter: Now I know how to do it without that.
10 00:40:00 tommost auchter: (Using sic.)
10 00:40:00 Morasique i don't think python really has anything to do with it, it's all html and javascript
10 00:40:00 tommost You'd need a long-running server-side process.
10 00:40:00 tommost Unless you think it's a good idea to bounce in and out of the channel every time you send a message.
10 00:41:00 Morasique oh, you're actually going to do sending messages from the web interface?
10 00:41:00 Morasique i was kidding about that part, i thought you were just doing the ajax updates
10 00:41:00 tommost That's what I was talking about.
10 00:41:00 Morasique ah
10 00:41:00 tommost Yeah, the Ajax stuff would be easy.
10 00:41:00 tommost Trivial, even.
10 00:42:00 andy753421 am I the only one who sees a problem with using a 100Mb web browser as a IRC client?
10 00:42:00 Morasique you could probably get luglog's i/o streams from /proc and write directly to sic
10 00:42:00 auchter andy753421: yes.
10 00:42:00 Morasique auchter: damn, you beat me to it
10 00:42:00 auchter andy753421: it's the unix way: one tool for every job
10 00:42:00 andy753421 won't even need to add any sleep's to slow this down..
10 00:43:00 Morasique it's not slow, it's monolithic. sounds better
10 00:44:00 Blazeix auchter: you would love spicebird, firefox, thunderbird, sunbird, instant messenger, and widget layer all tied together
10 00:45:00 andy753421 ahh, the complete circle
10 00:45:00 auchter i think i just died a little.
10 00:59:00 auchter hey, my AES implementation is no longer non-deterministic. though i suspect it is less secure now, it at least complies with the standard.
10 01:09:00 ferrelaj aucther: I hate you
10 01:10:00 auchter ferrelaj: good luck with AES. it's actually simpler than DES, but if you don't read closely the spec will screw you over
10 01:11:00 ferrelaj haha
10 01:11:00 ferrelaj thanks
10 01:11:00 auchter damn mathematicians and their column-major arrays...
10 01:11:00 auchter s/arrays/matricies/
10 03:07:00 Morasique that was must harder than it should've been
10 03:12:00 Morasique wow. s/must/much
10 03:13:00 ferrelaj Good job ;-)
10 03:13:00 ferrelaj it took you 5 min to correct a spelling mistake
10 03:13:00 Morasique i've had like 10 typos today, i don't know what the deal is
10 03:13:00 Morasique yeah, i glanced at the window to see if anything was happening and noticed
10 13:06:00 auchter Morasique: M-x spook quit message?
10 13:07:00 Morasique yeah. i wrote an xchat plugin to do it
10 13:08:00 auchter shame those messages don't get logged...
10 13:08:00 Morasique eh. i'll live, it amuses me anyway
10 14:06:00 auchter does anyone else have the problem of RHIT-1X showing up with a blank ssid?
10 14:10:00 andy753421 auchter: yes, i heard a rumor that if they used a real ssid, it would break the senior laptops..
10 14:12:00 auchter ok, because wpa_supplicant seems to not work for me sometimes
10 14:12:00 auchter very rarely will it connect to rhit-1x
10 14:38:00 Morasique as an experiment, iait should try having our spam firewall scan all internal e-mails too just to see how many of them are flagged
10 14:39:00 tommost Yes indeed.
10 14:41:00 Morasique thunderbird marks most of them as junk, even ones that don't look like it. i'm not sure how it's algorithm works, but i haven't had a false positive yet
10 15:08:00 auchter is it that hard to proofread emails?
10 15:15:00 tommost We should create a bot that runs aspell on all all-campus e-mails and replies to ones with stupid errors.
10 15:17:00 auchter rather tempting...
10 15:19:00 tommost Maybe we should start a club dedicated to replying to any and all stupid all-campus e-mails --- 100 people flooding your inbox with flames every time you make a stupid error would get people to be more careful.
10 15:21:00 tommost Call it linguistics club.
10 17:01:00 rr72 <Morasique> /spookbot/rr72
10 17:01:00 rr72 <Morasique> it's supposed to be s/spookbot/rr72, i fail at typing
10 17:01:00 rr72 Morasique~ what do you want?
10 17:02:00 Morasique er. what? why would i want something?
10 17:03:00 rr72 I AGREE! <Morasique> i fail at typing huge
10 17:03:00 Morasique ...right
10 17:04:00 rr72 sorry but I don't sleep compute
10 17:10:00 rr72 I don't stay in NREM long enough to sleep walk downstairs to sleep type
10 17:11:00 tommost does a jig
10 17:11:00 tommost Meeting time!!!
10 17:12:00 Morasique tommost: and yet you're not here
10 17:12:00 tommost I'm on my way.
10 17:12:00 auchter "sleep compute"?
10 17:12:00 auchter everyone in the lab is puzzled by that statement
10 17:15:00 Morasique among others. at least that one makes sense, even if i don't know what he's talking about, i think he's referring to me saying he's quiet while asleep
10 17:18:00 povilusr_ where is my homies
10 17:19:00 rr72 povilusr_ you playing eve at the LUG? lol
10 17:19:00 povilusr_ yeah
10 17:19:00 rr72 sweet
10 17:19:00 rr72 i will just stfu cause i never make any sense
10 17:19:00 rr72 knows why he has no friends
10 17:19:00 povilusr_ no flaws here
10 17:20:00 povilusr_ ..|.
10 17:21:00 rr72 povilusr_ you 15th grade?
10 17:21:00 rr72 (3rd year in college)
10 17:21:00 povilusr_ yeah
10 17:21:00 rr72 SWEET!
10 17:22:00 Morasique i'm in 15th grade, is that sweet too?
10 17:22:00 rr72 sure
10 17:22:00 rr72 same sweetness as 3rd year
10 17:22:00 rr72 <-- '08
10 17:23:00 rr72 so college '12
10 17:24:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Plan9.phire.org
10 17:25:00 rr72 dumb question, do you pick your email user names or is just your name?
10 17:26:00 rr72 i obviosly see you register your dhcp/mac stuff with them
10 17:26:00 rr72 picked up that much
10 17:27:00 Blazeix we're assigned usernames, and our email is our username
10 17:27:00 rr72 random user names?
10 17:33:00 rr72 anyone know anypne with last name Dopka?
10 17:36:00 povilusr Inability to tell the difference between a cake and a biscuit will cost the UK treasury £3.5M. Here's a useful hint: One of them is round and delicious, and the other is a lie
10 17:43:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/mw/index.php?title=SGA_Probationary_Status_Application
10 17:44:00 auchter Blazeix: where are you?
10 17:44:00 Morasique blazeix: wtf, come back
10 17:45:00 Blazeix I'm back.
10 17:45:00 Blazeix What do you need?
10 17:53:00 Morasique blazeix: we needed you to come back. you're done
10 17:54:00 Blazeix Excellent. I'm here
10 18:18:00 andy753421 1+2
10 18:18:00 tommost =3
10 18:23:00 Morasique we should have a bot for that
10 18:24:00 rr72 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3T0gp_SC7c
10 18:24:00 rr72 holy shit!
10 18:25:00 Morasique rr72: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc
10 18:29:00 rr72 Morasique~ i LOVE that version
10 19:35:00 rr72 how long do the meetings usually last?
10 19:36:00 ferrelaj 6.3 hours
10 19:39:00 tommost This one was short, though. It only lasted 6.3 s.
10 19:42:00 kleinjt I lost track of how many times the clock overflowed
10 19:45:00 auchter I thought the clock was a saturating register
10 19:47:00 ferrelaj auchter: you should come over and help me out with Crypto
10 19:47:00 auchter ferrelaj: i'm bust configuring mutt et al.
10 19:47:00 auchter (damn you andy)
10 19:48:00 ferrelaj auchter: come over anyway
10 21:15:00 crr without a class right before them, I keep forgetting to go to LUG meetings
10 22:31:00 rr72 crr me too
10 22:32:00 rr72 don't worry about it ;)
10 23:04:00 auchter i win at pasting my clipboard into #plan9
10 23:06:00 andy753421 yea, at least that time it wasn't your password
10 23:07:00 auchter that's different. i typed that in
10 23:08:00 auchter luckily it was only my login password...
11 00:48:00 auchter so i installed pam_ssh today, and i'm quite puzzled at how it's working...
11 00:49:00 auchter i mean, i type in my ssh passphrase and it logs me in (it uses this instead of my password in /etc/passwd)
11 00:49:00 auchter it autenticates against my ssh private key
11 00:49:00 auchter however, the confusing thing is that it does this without having access to my ssh key...
11 00:49:00 auchter since my home directory is on a truecrypt volume that only gets mounted after i've logged in
11 00:52:00 auchter (my ssh keys are only stored on my truecrypt volume, not anywhere else as far as i know)
11 00:52:00 andy753421 auchter: is your home directory mounted by pam?
11 00:52:00 auchter andy753421: no
11 00:53:00 andy753421 auchter: hm.. how does is get mounted?
11 00:53:00 auchter it uses a different passphrase
11 00:53:00 auchter i run a command after i log in
11 00:53:00 andy753421 so where are you when you run that command?
11 00:54:00 auchter in my home directory, which is (mostly) empty
11 00:54:00 auchter i mount my truecrypt drive over that
11 00:54:00 andy753421 ah, ok
11 00:54:00 andy753421 is your ssh passphrase the same as your unix/shadow password?
11 00:55:00 auchter nope
11 00:55:00 auchter which is why i'm so confused.
11 00:55:00 andy753421 and typing a random password doesn't work?
11 00:55:00 auchter no, it doesn't... i'm really quite scared at this point, haha
11 00:55:00 andy753421 also, after you log in, but before you mount home, does ssh-agent have your keys in it?
11 00:57:00 auchter good question. but i don't see how it would get my keys at all... give me a minute
11 00:57:00 andy753421 and/or are there key files in any other locations (/, /root, /etc/ssh) that it might be using?
11 00:58:00 andy753421 (also, turn on debug in pam and see if that says anything
11 00:58:00 andy753421 )
11 01:00:00 auchter no ssh-agent is spawned when i log in
11 01:00:00 auchter there's no .ssh directory in /home/auchtemm/
11 01:00:00 auchter (heh, cool, irssi tab-completes directories)
11 01:01:00 auchter (before it's mounted, that is)
11 10:47:00 Morasique 3 of my 4 classes are canceled today. i just wanted to share that with everyone
11 11:00:00 auchter so, one of the computers that was formerly in the OS lab is now in F217, and it looks like daryl's installing linux on it...
11 11:00:00 Morasique that's suspiciously nice of him
11 11:01:00 auchter i know, i wonder if it's actually for public use...
11 11:02:00 auchter oh, and by "installing", i meant "it's sitting at a screen that says 'Failed to start X'"
11 11:03:00 Morasique it's like installing
11 13:37:00 auchter hah, the email from radu about the digilent design competition
11 13:38:00 auchter the only four people who didn't respond to her are in the LUG
11 14:52:00 tommost Maybe they're all struggling with getting mutt configured. ;-)
11 14:53:00 auchter mutt took me five minutes to get working completely (including the compilation of everything)
11 14:57:00 tommost I'd like something like mutt, but X.
11 14:58:00 auchter no one likes X.
11 14:58:00 tommost I really am quite okay with X.
11 15:00:00 auchter traitor
11 15:00:00 tommost To what? My RAM?
11 15:01:00 auchter my issue with X is hardly its memory usage (which i don't find outrageous at all)
11 15:01:00 tommost The weirdness of the protocol/
11 15:01:00 tommost ?
11 15:02:00 Morasique perhaps you dislike its place in the alphabet?
11 15:09:00 andy753421 i dislike it's crappy support for plug-n-play
11 15:09:00 tommost Agreed.
11 15:09:00 tommost X RandR is supposed to fix that, though.
11 15:09:00 tommost I just blame ATI for being crappy.
11 16:07:00 andy753421 auchter: are you breaking sliderule?
11 16:07:00 andy753421 er, addiator..
11 16:09:00 auchter andy753421: no, just factoring an impossibly large RSA number
11 16:09:00 auchter it won't complete with that program, but i don't care much
11 21:33:00 auchter [auchtemm@addiator auchtemm]$ dmesg | grep segfault | wc -l
11 21:33:00 auchter 153
11 21:34:00 Morasique well, OS uses that machine :)
11 21:34:00 auchter yeah, that was the point i was making: OS students apparently suck at pointers
11 21:42:00 andy753421 grep segfault /var/log/SYSLOG | wc -l
11 21:42:00 andy753421 11458
11 21:43:00 Morasique that borders on depressing, although it goes back to november
11 21:44:00 auchter it'd be fun to write a script to do a segfault count each day and graph it...
11 23:35:00 auchter heh, i didn't know you could trace processes with htop...
12 00:32:00 rr72 OS?
12 00:56:00 tommost rr72: Operating Systems. OS students have been responsible for taking down multiple public servers doing... whatever OS students do. The class is taught in C (of course) so segfaults are going to happen.
12 00:58:00 rr72 oh
12 00:58:00 auchter the segfaults are just amusing to watch because people don't pay attention to what they're doing
12 00:58:00 rr72 i know what OS was but you said OS uses
12 00:58:00 auchter it's the fork-bombing that's annoying
12 00:59:00 rr72 i was like what?
12 00:59:00 Morasique rr72: i was using OS as in "the OS class"
12 00:59:00 tommost auchter: I take it that "fork bombing" is when a fork() is called in an infinite loop?
12 00:59:00 rr72 ah ok, confused me
12 01:00:00 auchter tommost: indeed
12 01:00:00 rr72 i LOVED to make for loops with a ; on same line so my programs would not run corectly
12 01:00:00 Morasique tommost: yes. my teammate did it to abacus and sliderule when i took OS
12 01:00:00 rr72 i was like WTF?!?!?! everything is right!
12 01:00:00 Morasique like 4 hours before the project was due
12 01:00:00 rr72 took me for ever to figure that out
12 01:00:00 Morasique people were not happy
12 01:01:00 tommost Yeah, I've heard about that several times. It still amuses me.
12 01:01:00 auchter have they prevented that from happening on addiator?
12 01:01:00 Morasique i doubt it. i think andy wrote up the limits file for them, but i don't know if he ever sent it or if they ever implemented it
12 01:01:00 Morasique i'm sure not the latter
12 01:01:00 tommost So abacus and sliderule have been decommissioned, right? What other public servers are there besides addiator?
12 01:01:00 Morasique yeah, it's just addiator for general work
12 01:01:00 auchter tommost: clive.cs, derek.cs
12 01:02:00 Morasique there are a couple specific math machines and a bunch of CS ones
12 01:02:00 tommost Ah.
12 01:02:00 auchter then there's brain...
12 01:03:00 tommost ?
12 01:03:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/parallel/HTML/index.html
12 01:04:00 Morasique i remember when i saw that site for the first time. i was a little concerned
12 01:04:00 Morasique actually, i still am
12 01:05:00 tommost I have to say that brain's hardware is impressive.
12 01:05:00 andy753421 Morasique: yea, i sent that to them quarter break
12 01:06:00 auchter the question is: why are all the cool classes only offered in the spring?
12 01:06:00 andy753421 the response was that they were planning to look into it anyway.. they never did
12 01:06:00 andy753421 then i got another response a week or so ago saying same things, and so far, the same response
12 01:06:00 Morasique we should just keep taking the machine down every few days until they fix it
12 01:06:00 auchter Morasique: i'm doing my part...
12 01:07:00 Morasique http://pastebin.com/d3440971b
12 01:07:00 Morasique greatest switch ever
12 01:08:00 auchter haha
12 01:09:00 Morasique i need all my programs to have an ignore-errors switch
12 01:12:00 auchter i need to get an account on brain...
12 01:12:00 Morasique i don't think they run plan9, you may be sad
12 01:13:00 auchter plan9 isn't exactly the best for distributed computing
12 01:13:00 Morasique s/distributed//
12 01:13:00 tommost giggles
12 01:14:00 auchter yeah, you're right, current oses are perfectly fine. there's no need to research anything else
12 01:14:00 tommost Ubuntu needs a drawterm package...
12 01:14:00 Morasique i'm picking up on your sarcasm :)
12 01:14:00 Morasique it has one
12 01:14:00 Morasique they cleverly called it drawterm
12 01:15:00 tommost I can't find any such package.
12 01:15:00 tommost Is it in multiverse or something?
12 01:15:00 Morasique are you on gutsy?
12 01:15:00 Morasique no idea, how do you check which repo it's in?
12 01:15:00 tommost Hardy. But I couldn't install it in Gutsy either.
12 01:16:00 Morasique ah, there it is
12 01:16:00 Morasique universe
12 01:16:00 tommost Yeah. But why can't I install it?
12 01:16:00 tommost Oh, I see.
12 01:16:00 tommost i368. Bastards.
12 01:17:00 Morasique ah, yeah. you lose
12 01:17:00 tommost It should be on addiator, then.
12 01:17:00 auchter i can't get it to work from addiator, sadly
12 01:18:00 tommost Much sadness. Why?
12 01:18:00 auchter i really want to, since it's painful without compression
12 01:18:00 auchter i complains about not being able to read ticket
12 01:18:00 tommost During compilation, or execution?
12 01:18:00 auchter execution, i haven't tried compiling it yet on addiator
12 01:19:00 tommost Are you going to try, or shall I?
12 01:20:00 auchter you can give it a try, i've got it going on freya... forgot that i installed X on there.
12 01:20:00 auchter it's actually usable through ssh -YC
12 01:21:00 auchter though i'm much too lazy to do anything with it right now...
12 01:32:00 tommost It runs.
12 01:34:00 auchter no argument there, it's when i actually try to log in
12 01:34:00 auchter also, i won't resolve plan9.phire.org for some reason
12 01:34:00 auchter s/ i / it /
12 01:34:00 tommost I am logged in, I believe.
12 01:35:00 auchter mind putting it in /scratch/apps?
12 01:35:00 tommost I'll do that.
12 01:36:00 tommost WTF‽ Why are passwords limited to 31 characters?
12 01:37:00 auchter 31 characters is enough
12 01:38:00 tommost It's just so arbitrary.
12 01:39:00 auchter it's a mersenne prime.
12 01:39:00 auchter actually, it makes sense if you think about it: char passwd[32]
12 01:39:00 auchter last byte for 0
12 01:40:00 tommost No, it doesn't. Why 32? Why not, say, 128?
12 01:41:00 auchter because 32 is enough?
12 01:41:00 tommost But what if I had a nice long passphrase were 32 characters wasn't enough?
12 01:42:00 auchter that's a shame
12 01:43:00 tommost This discussion reminds me that I still haven't brute-forced my SA's password...
12 01:44:00 auchter you should do that
12 01:44:00 tommost Hmmm... so, using a mouse wheel as the third button is kind of annoying.
12 01:45:00 tommost Can I remap my mouse's back button to be the third mouse button?
12 01:45:00 auchter i'm sure you can, but i don't have any experience with that
12 01:46:00 auchter i actually saw a mouse with a logical layout a while back: three full buttons, with a wheel between the left and middle buttons
12 01:46:00 tommost That would be nice.
12 01:46:00 tommost Even better: a keyboard layout that doesn't suck.
12 01:49:00 auchter such as?
12 01:49:00 tommost For one, have an enter button on the left.
12 01:50:00 tommost Split the space bar in half; make the left half backspace.
12 01:50:00 tommost (I've used a keyboard with the latter feature -- very nice.)
12 01:50:00 tommost I'm getting an error: abaco: can't initialize webfs: '/mnt-web/ctl' does not exist
12 01:51:00 auchter you need to run webfs first
12 01:51:00 auchter i suggest you add it to your lib/profile, too
12 02:00:00 tommost Under case terminal?
12 02:02:00 auchter actually it would be cpu
12 02:03:00 auchter you should probably put it right above the line that runs rio
12 02:06:00 auchter is surprised there haven't been any complaints about colors, fonts, lack of css parsing, etc.
12 02:06:00 tommost hasn't got it working yet
12 02:06:00 tommost was about to look up how to set a less ugly font, though
12 02:07:00 Morasique feels left out of this new third-person method of communication
12 02:08:00 auchter thinks we should continue this way just to annoy auchter
12 02:09:00 Morasique feels that anything that annoys auchter is a good idea
12 02:09:00 auchter concurs
12 02:09:00 Morasique wishes IRC supported fire text
12 02:10:00 auchter cringes at the thought
12 02:10:00 tommost wishes plan9 had a real window manager
12 02:11:00 Morasique tommost: we need fire text in logview. #1 priority
12 02:11:00 tommost I was just thinking that.
12 02:11:00 auchter yes, we can finally make the transition to web 3.4
12 02:12:00 Morasique good, web 2.0 is very 2007
12 02:14:00 Morasique wow, web 2.0 does have a definition. kind of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
12 02:16:00 tommost "eBay, a typical Web 2.0 web site" Because eBay has changed so much since 2000.
12 02:16:00 auchter "XML and RSS" who doesn't love XML?
12 02:17:00 tommost Actually, I think that Atom is actually a good application for XMl.
12 02:18:00 Morasique i'm going to make a web 3.4 entry. the key component of web 3.4 is rick rolling
12 02:18:00 auchter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_3.0
12 02:19:00 Morasique that sounds a lot like pre-web 3.4
12 02:19:00 Morasique :)
12 02:19:00 Morasique web 2009. platnum. embedded
12 02:19:00 Morasique ...professional
12 02:19:00 auchter xtreme edition
12 02:20:00 auchter (note the "x" in "xtreme")
12 02:20:00 Morasique http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fsecretgeek.net%2Fhownaming_xling.asp
12 02:20:00 tommost ...with kittens
12 02:20:00 Morasique oh. apparently the site is now up again
12 02:20:00 Morasique http://secretgeek.net/hownaming_xling.asp
12 02:23:00 auchter http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/10SaraCody.html
12 02:27:00 Morasique that's excellent
12 02:44:00 Morasique auchter: i was testing cpu usage of different things on my laptop and i tried random fire text across my screen, and my roommate asked what it was. i told him to ask you
12 02:47:00 auchter Morasique: a massive waste?
12 02:48:00 Morasique i was going to say "an amusing display of blinking lights", but your description works too
12 02:48:00 Morasique none of my tests came close to closing a tab in firefox, which is what inspired the testing in the first place. closing a firefox tab, even an empty one, maxes out my cpu for several seconds
12 02:48:00 Morasique i have no idea why
12 02:50:00 auchter closing a tab in firefox makes my cpu usage jump to 20%
12 03:01:00 rr72 tyvm Zeta_RHIT
12 03:03:00 Morasique rr72: are you talking about something in-game?
12 03:05:00 Morasique auchter: i guess it doesn't max out, that was based on the brightness of the little blue light on my desk, but it gets up to ~80%, which is paradoxically more than twice the effort it takes to open a new tab
12 13:20:00 tommost auchter: Is the electronics team meeting today?
12 13:25:00 auchter i'd like to. in particular i'd like to etch the i2c board
12 13:25:00 auchter i'll let you know in a bit
12 13:26:00 tommost Brian is wondering if he should come. What time would it be?
12 13:26:00 auchter what time are the other team(s) meeting?
12 13:27:00 tommost Hardware is at 3:00.
12 13:27:00 auchter ok, i'll be there
12 13:27:00 tommost I was thinking that I'd go down soon, myself.
12 13:27:00 auchter what time is it now?
12 13:27:00 tommost 1:30.
12 13:27:00 auchter ah, ok. yeah, i'll be there at 2:30, i need to have some coffee and go buy some hydrochloric acid
12 13:28:00 tommost Okay.
12 13:28:00 auchter does anyone in here have some glossy paper suitable for a laser printer?
12 14:06:00 tommost izanagi.rhitrobotics.org seems to be down.
12 14:06:00 auchter yeah, i can't ssh into it either
12 14:07:00 tommost Were you messing with the Plan9 box the other night?
12 14:07:00 auchter thursday
12 14:07:00 tommost The power cord got loosened, somehow.
12 14:07:00 tommost It's booting now.
12 14:08:00 tommost (Izanagi.)
12 14:08:00 auchter ah, i see...
12 14:10:00 tommost Well, it seems to be on, but I still can't access project.rhitrobotics.org
12 14:11:00 auchter there's no httpd running...
12 14:12:00 auchter looks like the httpd.conf is borked
12 14:12:00 tommost Shall I fix it, or do you want to?
12 14:12:00 auchter "Syntax error on line 23 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/project.vhost:
12 14:12:00 auchter SSLCertificateFile: file '/var/www/ssl/rhitrobotics.crt' does not exist or is empty
12 14:13:00 tommost Hmm. So we need to generate an SSL certificate?
12 14:13:00 auchter ask kevin... and i seem to have lost my connection to it...
12 14:13:00 tommost Same here.
12 14:14:00 auchter well, i'm heading over
12 14:14:00 tommost Okay.
12 15:08:00 rr72 Morasique~ yes
12 15:08:00 rr72 just in generel
12 16:14:00 rr72 any EEs?
12 16:54:00 octavious <= CPE
12 17:01:00 rr72 lots of those in here aye?
12 17:01:00 tommost Not really. There are a bunch of CPEs, CSes and SEs.
12 17:02:00 tommost And a log bot. And you.
12 17:02:00 rr72 <= EE
12 17:02:00 rr72 well idk yet heh
12 17:02:00 rr72 ee planned
12 17:05:00 Morasique tommost: good for you, nobody thinks of the log bot
12 22:35:00 auchter MoraSique: phantom.cs? is it running something sane now?
12 22:35:00 MoraSique no, i just happen to be in the lab without my laptop, i'm on windows
12 22:35:00 MoraSique i tried running the ubuntu vm, but the networking doesn't work and i don't have root permission to try and fix it
12 22:36:00 auchter heh, glad to see they care about those VMs
12 22:36:00 MoraSique i was shocked it booted at all :)
12 22:44:00 MoraSique andy just stuck his face in the lab door window and stared at me for about 15 seconds
12 22:44:00 MoraSique i started to get a little uncomfortable
12 22:44:00 MoraSique just so he knows when he reads the log later :)
12 22:47:00 MoraSique http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch06.html: [In TECO, ] to create and edit a document, a programmer had to enter a series of software commands specifying each edit. It was an abstract process. Unlike modern word processors, which update text with each keystroke, TECO demanded that the user enter an extended series of editing instructions followed by an "end of command" sequence just to change the text.Over time, a hacker grew profic
12 22:47:00 MoraSique ient enough to write entire documents in edit mode, but as Stallman himself would later point out, the process required "a mental skill like that of blindfold chess."
12 22:47:00 MoraSique i'm very reminded of vim right now
13 00:47:00 tommost Hmm... Andy's not here.
13 00:48:00 tommost I have server-side live logging working, I hope.
13 00:48:00 tommost It takes live updates from a fifo... but I'm not sure how luglog is going to be able to supply that fifo.
13 00:49:00 tommost Should there be a directory where all the fifos that luglog needs to write to are placed?
13 01:01:00 auchter i, for one, am pleased that luglog will be moving into the web2.0th century.
13 01:02:00 tommost Nope, this is Web 1.0. It works by never closing the connection and writing <script> tags at the end of the document, which are executed by the browser, which insert new lines and update the stats.
13 01:03:00 tommost I think that this is how cgi::irc works (but without the frames).
13 01:04:00 tommost I will be using jQuery, though.
13 01:04:00 tommost I suppose that counts as web 2.0.
13 01:04:00 tommost (Though I'd prefer to simply categorize it as awesome.)
13 01:10:00 tommost Until Andy appears, you can all spam my console by typing stuff into #rhlug-test.
13 01:11:00 Mishta1 as in the channel #rhlug-test?
13 01:11:00 tommost Yes.
13 01:11:00 Mishta1 ok
13 01:11:00 Mishta1 you asked for it
13 01:11:00 Mishta1 O.o
13 01:25:00 povilusr_drunk aucher
13 01:25:00 povilusr_drunk aucher
13 01:25:00 povilusr_drunk auchter
13 01:25:00 auchter wow.
13 01:25:00 povilusr_drunk dood
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk is there rose chicks living in your building?
13 01:26:00 auchter i believe so
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk what are tehre named
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk names?
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk *I
13 01:26:00 auchter no idea
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk damnit
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk im drunk and just failed at the bard
13 01:26:00 povilusr_drunk bars*
13 01:27:00 auchter haha
13 01:28:00 Mishta1 wow
13 01:29:00 Mishta1 thats really sad
13 01:29:00 Mishta1 :(
13 01:29:00 povilusr_drunk ? its rose what are you gunna doo?
13 01:29:00 Mishta1 about what?
13 01:29:00 Mishta1 being drunk?
13 01:29:00 Mishta1 failing to pick a chick up?
13 01:29:00 Mishta1 or attending rose?
13 01:30:00 povilusr_drunk all
13 01:30:00 Mishta1 uhh, dont drink alcohol.
13 01:30:00 Mishta1 dont fail
13 01:30:00 Mishta1 uhhh... i would say dont attend rose, but by now you probably have so much debt that if you dont graduate youll have to sell your kidney to pay any of it off.. so... nothing?
13 01:31:00 povilusr_drunk yeah
13 01:31:00 Mishta1 yea
13 01:31:00 Mishta1 im with you on the last two though
13 01:31:00 Mishta1 it really sucks
13 01:31:00 Mishta1 :-(
13 01:31:00 povilusr_drunk rose chicks are nerdy which makes hitting on them easier than bar(read isu) chicks
13 01:32:00 Mishta1 *shrug*
13 01:33:00 povilusr_drunk is sad for rose-hulman
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 thats because rose chicks understand that when a guy starts hitting on them for no reason that he wants something from them, which is probably sex.
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 but isu chicks would just be like EWWW GROSS a BOY
13 01:33:00 povilusr_drunk yeah
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 the issue is whether the rose chick wants sex or not... :(
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 i feel your pain
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 thats why i dont even try
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 better to not have a chance to fail, instead of wasting your time
13 01:33:00 Mishta1 get more homework done that way
13 01:34:00 povilusr_drunk yeah but less sex
13 01:34:00 tommost Hmm... I think that I have Pidgin's "submit to bash.org" plugin installed...
13 01:34:00 Mishta1 yea,
13 01:34:00 Mishta1 but being a rose guy you know too many things that can go wrong with sex
13 01:34:00 Mishta1 and have to drink yourself into forgetting them
13 01:35:00 Mishta1 otherwise you end up with... problems during it
13 01:35:00 Mishta1 therefore, i just skip the whole issue
13 01:35:00 Mishta1 *shrug*
13 01:35:00 auchter mmm, taco time.
13 01:35:00 Mishta1 there will be a time for more of it later
13 01:35:00 Mishta1 i want tacos..
13 01:35:00 Mishta1 bring me tacos auchter... -.-
13 01:35:00 povilusr_drunk :(
13 01:35:00 povilusr_drunk sadlfjsdf
13 01:35:00 povilusr_drunk nothng is submitting
13 01:36:00 tommost I'm disappointed.
13 01:36:00 Mishta1 lmao
13 01:36:00 Mishta1 ith what?
13 01:36:00 tommost If he'd kept that up for a while longer, it would make polivusr_drunk show as his primary nick in the log.
13 01:37:00 Mishta1 oh.
13 01:37:00 Mishta1 thats sad..
13 01:38:00 auchter eh, no tacos, i decided that taco bell twice in one day is a tad excessive
13 01:38:00 tommost I want tacos.
13 01:38:00 Mishta1 yea, thats a bit much
13 01:38:00 Mishta1 and i also want tacos.
13 01:39:00 auchter i want terre haute to not suck so there's something else to do besides eat tacos.
13 01:39:00 Zeta_RHIT seconds that
13 01:40:00 Zeta_RHIT I'll even settle for decent burritos
13 01:40:00 auchter bloody boring town
13 01:41:00 tommost Why do I have to give moderator approval to my own bloody messages to the Robotics team mailing list‽ I administer the bloody thing.
13 01:41:00 Mishta1 lol
13 01:42:00 tommost At least it didn't just bounce it this time.
13 01:42:00 Mishta1 if you want going to rose to not be boring and by extension terre haute to not suck
13 01:42:00 Mishta1 then we should just move rose to a non-sucking town, and let terre haute be its sucky self if it wants to be
13 01:42:00 auchter hey, i actually got it. unfortunately you didn't encrypt it so i'm not reading it
13 01:43:00 tommost Oh, that's right.
13 01:43:00 tommost I need to figure out where I put the GPG key that I generated some years ago.
13 01:43:00 auchter i'm glad you see the folly of your ways.
13 01:44:00 tommost Maybe I'll just generate a new one.
13 01:44:00 povilusr_drunk im back
13 01:44:00 tommost It's not like anyone has the old one.
13 01:44:00 tommost Or anything is encrypted with it.
13 01:44:00 auchter povilusr_drunk: having trouble?
13 01:51:00 Mishta1 is you guys dont mind, in linear algerbra, does a cubic spline have 3rd degree polynomials, and then 1st and 2nd direvetives?
13 02:31:00 tommost How would I mark every png file in a directory tree non-executable? A simple wildcard hits the directories, too, which is self-defeating.
13 02:32:00 auchter i think find would do the trick
13 02:33:00 andy753421 tommost: if you use zsh, 'chmod -x /path/to/foo/**/*.png'
13 02:34:00 tommost Ah, thanks.
13 03:00:00 tommost http://www.eblong.com/zarf/lolgrues/
13 03:02:00 Mishta1 what is a grue...?
13 03:04:00 auchter tommost: excellent.
13 03:05:00 tommost Mishta1: Google Zork.
13 03:05:00 Mishta1 what is a grue..? it would really help me understand the joke if i knew, considering that i already think the pictures are hilarious... gah, fine
13 03:06:00 auchter i don't see how you could think it funny without knowing what a grue is...
13 03:06:00 auchter it's the whole point of the joke
13 03:06:00 tommost I'm with auchter.
13 03:06:00 tommost Is Bearded Chris here?
13 03:07:00 tommost (Is that who crr is?)
13 03:07:00 auchter yeah, it is
13 03:07:00 tommost Mishta1: Ask Bearded Chris about it some time.
13 03:07:00 Mishta1 no, i had a pretty good idea what a grue was, it just didnt click right away
13 11:15:00 kleinjt I won't be at the robotics meeting today.
13 12:35:00 auchter tommost: hopefully andy doesn't go by the time you put in the email for the meeting
13 12:35:00 auchter 1900UTC = 3PM
13 13:02:00 tommost Stupid ARA closed before 1:00 again.
13 13:02:00 tommost I'm starving.
13 13:03:00 Morasique i'm willing to sell you slices of pizza at a highly inflated rate
13 13:03:00 tommost How highly inflated?
13 13:04:00 Morasique :D i was kidding. you can have 2 for $2 if you want, the rest is my dinner
13 13:06:00 tommost Sounds good. What's your room number?
13 13:06:00 Morasique bsb 005
13 13:06:00 tommost I'm coming over.
13 13:27:00 auchter heh, i was in bsb basement yesterday. they got rid of the iron and ironing board!
13 13:27:00 tommost My stomach is happy now.
13 13:28:00 auchter coffee + triscuits and nutella = delicious breakfast
13 13:28:00 tommost Nutella?
13 13:29:00 auchter don't tell me you haven't heard of this most delicious substance
13 13:29:00 Morasique i've never had it, it looks fairly scary
13 13:29:00 tommost Not that I can recall.
13 13:29:00 auchter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutella
13 13:30:00 Morasique i knew a girl in high school that carried a container of it around in her purse, which concerns me a little
13 13:30:00 auchter i'm not surprised. it's incredibly habit-forming
13 13:31:00 tommost Mmmm... trans fat.
13 13:32:00 auchter now you know how gnutella got its name
13 13:51:00 tommost hits the gong.
13 13:51:00 tommost Robotics time!
13 17:52:00 Morasique is there a way to get openoffice documents in text format, like antiword does for word?
13 17:53:00 andy753421 Morasique: you can have OOo convert them
13 17:54:00 Morasique is there a switch for it, or do you have to use the gui
13 17:55:00 andy753421 there's no switch, but there's some ugliness that lets you do it without the GUI
13 17:55:00 Morasique ok, i'll have to mess with it. thanks
13 17:58:00 andy753421 http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/ooo_macros.txt http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/doc2star
13 17:58:00 andy753421 take a look at those, that's for converting .doc's to PDF's and ODT's using OOo, converting to .txt should be simmilar
13 18:02:00 Morasique oh, cool. thanks
13 18:04:00 tommost_aorist andy753421: What was the keyboard combination for sysrequest stuff? My laptop just went into a very hard freeze.
13 18:06:00 Morasique tommost: reisub?
13 18:06:00 andy753421 /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt / http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt
13 18:07:00 tommost_aorist Thanks.
13 18:08:00 andy753421 tommost_aorist: if it's compiz/X that's broken, you should be able to set the keyboard to raw mode, and then use ctrl-alt-f1
13 18:08:00 andy753421 and/or SAK to kill X
13 18:10:00 andy753421 actually, i guess you want to turn off raw mode..
13 18:10:00 tommost_aorist I'm not seeing any effect.
13 18:11:00 tommost_aorist It's weird---I can move my mouse, and the computer is still playing music (over the network, no less), but I can't do anything to the windows.
13 18:11:00 tommost_aorist And Ctrl+Alt+Backspace has no effect.
13 18:12:00 andy753421 different keyboards work differently, on my laptop i have to do alt+sysrq and then while still holding alt I hit the other key
13 18:13:00 tommost_aorist For me sysrequest is a "fn" key.
13 18:13:00 tommost_aorist But I've tried it both with the fn and without.
13 18:13:00 andy753421 me too, but I don't press fn
13 18:13:00 tommost_aorist Huh. I seem to be able to switch to different terminals with Ctrl-Alt-F*
13 18:15:00 tommost_aorist And now I can't any more.
13 18:16:00 andy753421 tommost_aorist: should have killed X while you had the chance :P
13 18:16:00 tommost_aorist Wait... it worked again.
13 18:17:00 tommost_aorist Killed it.
13 18:18:00 andy753421 for future reference, it may also have worked to just kill compiz
13 18:18:00 tommost_aorist I wish that you could run X on more than one terminal at a time.
13 18:18:00 tommost_aorist Yeah.
13 18:18:00 andy753421 tommost_aorist: why can't you?
13 18:18:00 tommost_aorist I thought that you couldn't?
13 18:18:00 tommost_aorist You can?
13 18:19:00 andy753421 yep, X :0 starts it on :0 (probably F7), you can do X :1 or X :2 or whatever to start it on F8, F9, etc
13 18:19:00 andy753421 if you use gdm, you can run gdmflexiserver to start a different GDM process on the next open one
13 18:20:00 andy753421 doesn't ubuntu have a switch users button as well?
13 18:20:00 tommost_aorist Yes, it does.
13 18:27:00 tommost_aorist Can anyone here recommend a Linux-compatible HD TV tuner card?
13 18:54:00 rr72 tommost you mean supported by linux
13 18:54:00 rr72 :-P
13 18:54:00 rr72 one that plays nicely
13 18:54:00 rr72 +
13 18:57:00 tommost rr72: Yes, of course.
13 18:57:00 rr72 wish my desk was metal and grounded idkw
13 19:01:00 auchter i have 3 sun ray 100s (http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/validateUser.do?target=Systems/SunRay100/SunRay100) that i've grown tired of and are free for the taking
13 19:02:00 tommost These are the ones that only work with Solaris as the server?
13 19:02:00 auchter tommost: nope, linux will work as well
13 19:02:00 tommost Oh, that's interesting then.
13 19:02:00 tommost envisions a monitor wall in Percopo nex year
13 19:04:00 auchter well, let me know if you want any, i've had enough of tripping over them
13 19:04:00 tommost I can take one immediately.
13 19:05:00 auchter i could even bring it over now if you wanted
13 19:05:00 tommost That would be great.
13 19:05:00 auchter you're in speed?
13 19:06:00 tommost Yup.
13 19:06:00 tommost Speed 218.
13 19:06:00 auchter ok. i'm tempted to put on the on free table in the cs dept., but that's a long way to carry it...
13 19:06:00 auchter are you facing the road at all? or the pond? (i forget how speed is laid out)
13 19:07:00 tommost I may want to take the others, if you could hold on to them for a little longer.
13 19:07:00 tommost I'm facing the road.
13 19:07:00 auchter alright, well, when you see a silver car pull up, there's a good chance that's me.
13 19:20:00 Mishtal what are these?
13 19:20:00 Mishtal i might be interested in taking one off your hand
13 19:20:00 Mishtal s*
13 19:24:00 auchter Mishtal: see the link that i sent before
13 19:25:00 Mishtal auchter: its so much easier if youd just tell me :( why do you make me do so much work
13 19:25:00 auchter ok, it's a thin client.
13 19:26:00 Mishtal i clicked it
13 19:26:00 Mishtal never mind, i dont have a use for it
13 19:26:00 Mishtal thx though :-)
13 19:47:00 andy753421 auchter: were you planning on comming to the SGA meeting?
13 19:48:00 auchter heh, i actually forgot about that completely
13 19:49:00 tommost Should I come to this?
13 19:49:00 andy753421 eh, it starts in ~1 minute
13 19:49:00 andy753421 so don't bother
13 19:49:00 auchter if we were supposed to be there at 7:50 i won't be able to make it.
13 19:49:00 auchter yeah, sorry about that, it completely slipped my mind
13 20:00:00 tommost auchter: So how did you get this thing working? This guide <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnSunRay> makes it seem horrifically complex.
13 20:01:00 auchter tommost: horrifically complex may be a bit of an understatement
13 20:04:00 Morasique to employ a phrase i hope will become commonly used, it's worse than running plan9 as your primary operating system
13 20:06:00 auchter that's like saying quicksort has a runtime complexity of O(n^n). to put some tighter bounds on how horrible it is: it's worse than using compiz
13 20:08:00 Morasique auchter: not cool. i'm going to break out vim jokes in a minute
13 20:08:00 tommost auchter: Did you use a dedicated machine for it?
13 20:08:00 Morasique except my group meeting just ended. so i'm leaving. you're lucky, you'd be in tears
13 20:08:00 auchter tommost: no, i had it running on my file server
13 20:08:00 tommost Care to netcat /dev/had to me?
13 20:09:00 tommost ;-)
13 20:09:00 auchter had?
13 20:10:00 tommost */dev/hda (Pidgin's auto spelling correction bites me for the first time.)
13 20:11:00 auchter /dev/dsk/c0d1s0 4.2G 3.6G 515M 88% /
13 20:11:00 auchter (it's a solaris 10 machine)
13 20:11:00 tommost And even then it was a pain?
13 20:12:00 auchter oh, absolutely
13 20:12:00 auchter the sun rays apparently like special things in the DHCP replies
13 20:12:00 auchter among other problems
13 20:12:00 auchter i really hate them.
13 20:12:00 tommost Yeesh... so I'm going to have to firewall this off from Rose's stuff.
13 20:13:00 auchter yeah, unless they're still running the srss...
13 20:14:00 tommost It seemed to be noticing something earlier. Just a sec, let me turn it back on.
13 20:14:00 tommost 137.112.4.191
13 20:15:00 auchter hm?
13 20:15:00 tommost It displays that address, then the screen blanks for a moment and it seems to restart.
13 20:17:00 auchter that's dna.rose-hulman.edu
13 20:18:00 tommost Hmmm.
13 20:19:00 Morasique i missed what you're talking about, but i blame plan9 or vim, whichever is more applicable
13 20:20:00 tommost Morasique: Apparently Plan9 is easy and intuitive compared to the Sun Ray software. I'm not going to comment on vim.
13 20:21:00 auchter psh, intuitive.
13 20:21:00 Morasique intuitive == hackable. got to keep the hackers guessing
13 20:26:00 tommost And they use BOOTP... egh.
13 20:30:00 auchter yes, it's utterly awful
13 20:30:00 auchter not as painful as instlaling IRIX, but still bad
13 20:42:00 tommost auchter: Do you have any idea what the composite video in connector is for?
13 21:10:00 auchter tommost: there's some obscure and impossible to find program that will display whatever's on that input
13 21:10:00 tommost Hmm.
13 21:15:00 tommost I think that I either need a dedicated machine for this, or a virtual machine with some serious Ethernet forwarding vodoo.
13 21:24:00 rr72 just thought of a sweet pretty easy php thingy, but i don't know php, maybe some other language.
13 21:24:00 rr72 simple program/webpage that can send an email, just send not recieve
13 21:24:00 tommost That's trivial.
13 21:24:00 rr72 just need smtp and the credentials and the subject line and mesg
13 21:24:00 Morasique there's a bunch of shell ways to do that in about a line
13 21:24:00 rr72 fine just fucking shut me down
13 21:25:00 Morasique well, go for it, but it won't take very long. you can do it in php with the mail() function
13 21:25:00 rr72_ i said i don't know php
13 21:25:00 tommost Don't use the mail() function, it's insecure.
13 21:25:00 rr72_ i don't give a fuck about life anymore
13 21:25:00 Morasique tommost: it is?
13 21:25:00 tommost If you don't do some pretty serious validation of your input, yeah.
13 21:26:00 Morasique ah. well, let's assume i have then
13 21:26:00 Morasique :)
13 22:56:00 kleinjt If anyone feels unhappy about missing out on the brilliant free Sun Ray 100 opportunity, I have one available. I don't do delivery, but if you take it from me, I'll give you a box of peeps and your choice of five bags of black or green tea.
13 22:57:00 Mishtal why are you guys so eager to be rid of them...
13 22:57:00 kleinjt Eager? I enjoy it so much I think it should find a new host, that is all.
13 22:57:00 Mishtal ok
13 22:58:00 kleinjt For its own good, I mean, a parasite must pass on a suck the hope out of a new host ^h^h^h^h^h^.
13 22:58:00 auchter i'd also like to say that i have two more available, and i do deliver.
13 22:59:00 kleinjt I'll throw in some paper napkins and one mystery gift.
13 23:00:00 kleinjt Delivery negotiable.
13 23:01:00 kleinjt I uh.. merely have no means of transporting the sun ray 3000 miles to home.
13 23:02:00 auchter 24k furlongs is quite a way
13 23:02:00 Morasique it might be worth the random sun ray just to get the free peeps and mystery gift
13 23:04:00 auchter damn, i'm losing. ok, to one up kleinjt, my sun ray will also come with 1.3 of a mistery gift.
13 23:06:00 Morasique nice. somebody should start offering cats, i want a cat
13 23:06:00 Morasique although not 1.3 cats. i prefer whole cats
13 23:06:00 auchter how about an incantation to summon cthulhu? he's almost like a cat.
13 23:07:00 kleinjt I assure you, my mystery gift is most definitely better than auchter's.
13 23:07:00 Morasique i do see the similarity
13 23:07:00 auchter http://lolthulhu.com/
13 23:45:00 Morasique my roommate said he'd take a mac over your guys' sun rays
13 23:45:00 Morasique just so you know
13 23:45:00 Blazeix not me, other roommate
13 23:46:00 kleinjt find me a mac with a free peeps, tea, and a mystery gift, and I'll take it
13 23:46:00 auchter i'd take a mac over these sun rays, too
13 23:46:00 auchter at least a mac can run an operating system..
13 23:47:00 Morasique you're hurting sun's feelings
13 23:47:00 Morasique they're reading luglog right now and crafting a retort
13 23:47:00 auchter oh, i like their hardware... my connection is being routed through a netra t1
13 23:47:00 auchter i just hate their thin clients
13 23:48:00 kleinjt I blame sun for swing
13 23:48:00 auchter as well you should
13 23:49:00 kleinjt Yes, and I think it is unforgivable.
13 23:50:00 Morasique aww, why all the swing hate?
13 23:50:00 tommost Hey, no giving away Sun Rays.j
13 23:50:00 tommost If I get this working I'll take all 3 remaining.
13 23:51:00 auchter one is still sitting in my room in an inconvienent location
13 23:51:00 auchter this one at least needs to go soon
13 23:51:00 tommost Put it in the robotics lab.
13 23:51:00 Morasique tommost: i will carry them into your room for half the peeps and a chance to find out what the mystery gift is
13 23:51:00 auchter there's enough there...
13 23:51:00 tommost Morasique: Deal.
13 23:52:00 tommost I get half the peeps and 2.3 mystery gifts.
13 23:52:00 tommost Oh, and some crappy Sun Rays.
13 23:52:00 auchter Morasique: enjoy the walk to pick up the two remaining sun rays i have
13 23:52:00 kleinjt I'm in BSB 208
13 23:53:00 Morasique hey, screw that, you're supposed to deliver
13 23:53:00 auchter i'm slightly farther away
13 23:53:00 Morasique i'm responsible for the entrance to speed to tommost's room, that's all
13 23:53:00 kleinjt Are you in BSB?
13 23:53:00 tommost kleinjt: He is. 005
13 23:53:00 kleinjt I recall saying delivery is negotiable
13 23:54:00 Morasique anyone who wasn't in here this morning may be a little concerned that tommost knows where i live. it's because he's a stalker
13 23:54:00 kleinjt If I have to deliver, no mystery gift. This is for safety reasons.
13 23:54:00 Morasique i'm a fan of this buyer's market we have going in here, you two are going to end up paying me to take these things
13 23:54:00 auchter kleinjt: elaborate.
13 23:55:00 kleinjt auchter: it is another bad idea I'm trying to get rid of
13 23:55:00 auchter damn, now i'm wondering what the mystery gift is
13 23:55:00 tommost I am even more curious, as its future posessor.
13 23:56:00 auchter not if i get it first you're not.
13 23:56:00 Morasique well, unless you buy all 3 of them i suspect your mystery gift is going to be bonus sun rays
13 23:56:00 kleinjt you're just trying to corner the market
13 23:56:00 Morasique i use "buy" very loosely
13 23:56:00 kleinjt damn you auchter
13 23:56:00 tommost I said I'd take all 3.
13 23:57:00 tommost A monitor wall isn't much good with an odd number of displays.
13 23:57:00 auchter hey, it's not my fault that your mystery gift is a "bad idea", and can't be transported for "safety reasons"
13 23:58:00 Morasique now i'm scared of the mystery gift
13 23:58:00 Morasique http://xkcd.com/325/
13 23:58:00 tommost c'mon, where are my monitors‽
13 23:58:00 auchter i can bring the other two over right now
13 23:59:00 tommost Morasique: Are you ready?
14 00:00:00 kleinjt I'm ready in BSB 208
14 00:02:00 auchter in other news, GMP's (http://gmplib.org) syntax sucks
14 00:02:00 tommost Other news sucks.
14 00:03:00 tommost I want Sun Rays.
14 00:03:00 Morasique tommost: :D do you want help?
14 00:03:00 Morasique other news distracts from the mystery prize
14 00:03:00 Morasique which auchter is undoubtedly attempting to make up at the moment
14 00:04:00 tommost I thought that we already agreed to this. You: BSB 208 -> Speed 218, with payload = (Sun Ray + peeps + dangerous mystery gift)
14 00:05:00 tommost Then auchter -> Speed, with payload = (Sun Ray x 2 + 1.3 mystery gifts)
14 00:05:00 Morasique i thought you were taking auchter's
14 00:05:00 Morasique wow, how many sun rays are you going to end up with after this?
14 00:06:00 tommost Then Morasique Speed lobby -> Speed 218, with payload = (2 x Sun Ray + 1.3 mystery gifts)
14 00:06:00 tommost A total of four.
14 00:06:00 Morasique there's too many arrows for me to know what's going on, this feels like haskell, but i know i get peeps at some point, so i'm in
14 00:06:00 Morasique i'm going to grab the one from kleinjt, i'll be over in a minute
14 00:07:00 tommost Great!
14 00:07:00 auchter i'll be in front of speed in like 15 minutes.
14 00:07:00 kleinjt Morasique, ok
14 00:07:00 auchter if no one takes them they'll be left on someone's doorstep like an abandoned infant.
14 00:22:00 kleinjt That sun ray cost me about $185 :/
14 00:23:00 Morasique auchter: we should've left them outside hayes' apartment in a little basket
14 00:24:00 auchter oh yeah, i forgot to ask/see the mystery gift
14 00:25:00 auchter kleinjt: what was the gift?
14 00:25:00 Morasique canadian raisin brain
14 00:25:00 kleinjt two single serving boxes
14 00:25:00 auchter ah, i see. ever with the exchange rate i can't see it costing that much
14 00:25:00 auchter s/ever/even/
14 01:35:00 auchter andy753421: mk is doing the same thing with a non-crazy mkfile
14 01:36:00 andy753421 is your clock skewed?
14 01:36:00 andy753421 (and send me a copy of the makefile, i'm curious)
14 01:37:00 auchter it's on addiator: /afs/rose-hulman.edu/users/stu2006/auchtemm/Public/rsa-keygen
14 01:42:00 andy753421 looks like it's recompiling them if the prereq has the same timestamp as the target
14 01:43:00 auchter i don't remember make doing that
14 01:44:00 auchter eh, not a big deal though, just mildly annoying
14 02:21:00 Mishtal andy: not sure your there or not, but if you are, could you do me a favor and check the operating systems project one: milestone 1: document? it disappeared from the server
14 02:22:00 andy753421 Mishtal: er, what? what server?
14 02:23:00 Mishtal http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse332/0708c/Projects/xssh/index.html
14 02:23:00 Mishtal actually, never mind.removing index.html displays what i want
14 02:23:00 Mishtal sorry to bug ya
14 02:25:00 auchter heh, that's quite an improvement over our OS project.
14 02:25:00 Mishtal auchter: damn straight it is.
14 02:25:00 andy753421 auchter: and i got the docs written in mappage format =D http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/csse332/0708c/Projects/xssh/xssh.html
14 02:26:00 auchter andy753421: very nice...
14 02:29:00 auchter so apparently rc(1) doesn't have tab completion, it's the terminal emulator that implements it...
14 02:29:00 auchter s/tab/ins/
14 02:29:00 auchter and only for paths
14 02:29:00 andy753421 i guess that.. sortof.. makes sense..
14 02:29:00 auchter i'm thinking not
14 02:31:00 andy753421 well, at least now ed has insert completion :P
14 02:31:00 auchter i wonder how bad it would be to implement tab completion... though i would not want to deal with readline
14 10:30:00 Morasique this is the greatest picture i have ever seen: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-happy-chair-enjoying-life.jpg
14 11:24:00 auchter_ the new linux machine in f217 is still at the same screen complaining about X
14 11:24:00 andy753421 there's a new linux machine in F217?
14 11:24:00 auchter_ next to the mac, i noticed it on thursday
14 11:24:00 auchter_ and i saw daryl type on it, so...
14 11:24:00 andy753421 ooh, is it good?
14 11:25:00 auchter_ one of the old OS machines, with a horrible monitor
14 11:25:00 andy753421 :(
14 11:25:00 Morasique auchter: you should tell daryl you'll fix it, he probably doesn't care enough to fix it himself
14 11:25:00 auchter_ i don't know what they're planning on doing with it
14 11:25:00 auchter_ well, i don't know if it's even for public use or what
14 11:25:00 auchter_ since they seemed pretty insistent about how great virtual machines are
14 11:26:00 Morasique if they ever set one up that worked i could compare
14 11:26:00 auchter_ they won't.
14 11:47:00 tommost Who's zz?
14 11:48:00 Morasique rr72
14 11:48:00 Morasique he changed his name yesterday after you destroyed his hopes and dreams
14 11:49:00 tommost *I* destroyed his hopes and dreams?
14 11:49:00 Morasique well, i helped a little. but you started it :)
14 11:49:00 Morasique <rr72> just thought of a sweet pretty easy php thingy, but i don't know php, maybe some other language.
14 11:49:00 Morasique <rr72> simple program/webpage that can send an email, just send not recieve
14 11:49:00 Morasique <tommost> That's trivial.
14 11:49:00 Morasique <rr72> fine just fucking shut me down
14 11:49:00 Morasique * rr72 is now known as rr72_
14 11:49:00 Morasique * rr72_ is now known as zz
14 11:50:00 tommost Yeah, he kinda took that the wrong way.
14 11:51:00 Morasique yeah, that can happen. see digg for further examples
14 11:51:00 tommost I mean "trivial" in the engineering sense.
14 11:51:00 tommost I refuse to see digg. I could go blind.
14 11:52:00 Morasique it doesn't hurt in small doses, i have it on my rss feed and i read it when all the other feeds are empty
14 11:55:00 tommost I hope that "other feeds" includes Slashdot. Because reading Digg before Slashdot is just wrong.
14 11:55:00 tommost Why pass up intellectual discussion for a bunch of boys punching each other in the face?
14 11:56:00 auchter_ tommost: intellectual discussion? slashdot?
14 11:57:00 tommost auchter_: Did I stutter? We're talking about Digg, here. That's about equivalent to 9chan.
14 11:57:00 auchter_ believe me, it's hard to beat my hatred for digg, but calling the discussion on slashdot "intellectual" is stretching it a bit
14 11:58:00 Morasique i do read slashdot first, but yeah, they've been getting bad. not digg-levels, but bad. reddit programming is my current safe haven, most of the comments on there are intelligent
14 11:59:00 tommost auchter_: My comment was supposed to be funny.
14 11:59:00 andy753421 I like digg, it's like the web-2.0 version of the onion
14 11:59:00 auchter_ oh, well in that case, carry on
14 12:00:00 tommost Morasique: Yeah, I've heard that about reddit programming. Occasionally I follow a link to an astoundingly insightful comment there.
14 12:00:00 auchter_ andy753421: unintentionally, yes
14 12:25:00 tommost http://reddit.com/info/691kb/comments/c037j2g
14 12:29:00 tommost Best reddit comment ever.
14 13:41:00 Morasique what's the deal with the underscore suffix?
14 13:52:00 auchter it's underscoring how awesome i am
14 14:26:00 Morasique ah. well, i don't really need an underscore for that, i think it's implied
14 14:27:00 tommost Morasique: I use it to indicate that I'm away. When I bother. Which is, um, about two times this year so far.
14 14:28:00 Morasique ah. isn't /away for that?
14 14:30:00 auchter i figure that me not responding to something is a good indication that i'm away
14 14:30:00 tommost I suppose that works.
14 14:31:00 tommost Earlier today I was really just trying to indicate that I was gone since I had just said something and wasn't going to see any replies immediately.
14 15:02:00 tommost I just tried to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace a VM. That didn't go too well.
14 15:05:00 octavious heh, most vms have a way of sending those signals
14 15:06:00 octavious i think qemu you can send it from the console ctrl+alt+1
14 15:07:00 tommost Oh, that wasn't the issue. I just wasn't paying attention, got wrapped up in the VM.
14 17:15:00 zz tommost if you know /whois you could have figure it out :-P
14 17:20:00 Morasique tommost: way to fail. his name is obviously Dr. Evil
14 20:28:00 auchter tommost: ever get netbsd on that pda-esque thing?
14 20:51:00 tommost auchter: Haven't gotten to it. I mean to this weekend, but then the Sun Rays intervened.
14 21:01:00 tommost sighs
14 21:03:00 kleinjt I warned you sun rays would ruin your life
14 21:04:00 auchter my life has commpletely turned around after getting rid of them
14 21:06:00 tommost I was sighing because I have to reboot into Windows to put up the Thorn.
14 21:06:00 tommost At least the Sun Rays don't involve Windows.
14 21:06:00 kleinjt they can
14 21:07:00 tommost But they won't.
14 21:09:00 tommost Although installing Sun's software on the VM I set up to control them seems to have messed up the VM --- it doesn't accept textual input any more. And I hadn't installed sshd on it yet, so I'm stuck not being able to type.
14 21:09:00 tommost I may just have to redo it (it's not like it took that long, anyway).
14 21:10:00 auchter tommost: are you going to be running the server software in linux or solaris?
14 21:10:00 tommost Linux.
14 21:11:00 tommost http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/Sun_Ray_on_Ubuntu
14 21:11:00 tommost It looks significantly easier than any other option.
14 21:11:00 auchter i have to admit, once i gave up and put the sun rays on their own private network, it was pretty easy
14 21:12:00 tommost Although I can't figure out where to download SRSS 3.1.1 -- I can only find 3.1, so I patched the script a bit to make it work.
14 21:12:00 tommost auchter: Yeah. I'm going to need to do some serious networking vodoo to get it working from a VM.
14 21:13:00 tommost polivusr: I also need some network cabling.
14 21:14:00 tommost Eventually I'd want to put them on a dedicated server, or at least a server fast enough to run the VM, instead of using my laptop.
14 21:16:00 auchter yeah, my fileserver is way overkill and not even close to utilized, so i used that as my server
14 21:17:00 tommost I want to use a VM so as not to make my other servers unclean --- I like the uptime that my headless box gets.
14 21:18:00 auchter i didn't have any issues with instability, my uptime's only low because of hardware harvesting
14 21:21:00 tommost My server also has a more recent version of Ubuntu than the wiki page I referenced says works (not that it says it *won't* work). But it mucks around in all sorts of config files (and look, my VM is messed up), including Apache (the main purpose of the headless server).
14 23:15:00 tommost Well, it appears that the Thorn server is down. That was a pointless foray into Windowsland.
14 23:17:00 auchter so, why did you need windows for that?
14 23:24:00 tommost I have had terrible problems getting connected to the Thorn's (Windows) fileserver from Linux. I had it working at one point but it broke and I haven't been able to fix it since.
14 23:24:00 tommost Plus I need to use InDesign.
14 23:24:00 tommost The last time I checked the version that the Thorn uses is poorly supported under Wine.
14 23:25:00 auchter ah, i see
14 23:31:00 tommost andy753421: I'm going to be able to show up at the software meeting on Wednesday at 10:30 at the earliest, and more likely 11:00. Can we push it back or move it to Tuesday after the administrative meeting?
14 23:32:00 andy753421 tom sure
14 23:32:00 tommost Which one?
14 23:32:00 tommost I'd prefer Tuesday, myself.
14 23:33:00 andy753421 oh, tuesday
14 23:34:00 tommost Okay.
14 23:35:00 tommost Also, have batteries been ordered yet?
14 23:36:00 andy753421 yea
14 23:36:00 tommost GPS?
14 23:37:00 andy753421 nope
14 23:37:00 tommost auchter?
14 23:37:00 auchter hm?
14 23:37:00 tommost GPS.
14 23:38:00 auchter part number?
14 23:38:00 tommost Have you decided on one?
14 23:38:00 auchter budget?
14 23:38:00 andy753421 500 for GPS
14 23:38:00 auchter ok
14 23:39:00 auchter i'll get a quote on that one we talked about before
14 23:40:00 andy753421 ok
14 23:41:00 tommost Can you provide a link? I'll put it on the wiki.
14 23:41:00 auchter i'm trying to find it... you should implement a web3.93023-ish version of grep for the logs
14 23:41:00 tommost Oh, yeah, speaking of that...
14 23:42:00 tommost Andy, I have a new loggen.py script up that will do live updates when presented with a FIFO as a third argument.
14 23:43:00 tommost How would you go about populating (potentially more than one) fifos from luglog.sh?
14 23:44:00 auchter you could use ii instead of sic...
14 23:44:00 tommost What's that?
14 23:44:00 auchter http://www.suckless.org/wiki/tools/irc
14 23:45:00 Morasique the current script uses a fifo i think
14 23:47:00 tommost auchter: I don't think that solve the problem.
14 23:47:00 tommost Isn't each channel file still a fifo?
14 23:47:00 tommost The issue is that there may be multiple people who'se fifo's need to be populated.
14 23:47:00 auchter tommost: ah, i didn't know that's how it worked
14 23:47:00 Morasique oh, i see, i forgot logview doesn't run all the time
14 23:48:00 tommost I was thinking that it would work to stick all of the fifos in a specific directory, and luglog would ls the directory and spit the line to each fifo.
14 23:49:00 auchter sounds like fun
14 23:51:00 auchter heh, i love how rose's library claims to have access to JSTOR, but all the articles i could actually use it says i don't have access to.
14 23:51:00 andy753421 tommost: you would use tee
14 23:51:00 tommost Oh, and a wildcard? Yeah, that would be cleaner.
14 23:52:00 andy753421 a wildcard?
14 23:52:00 tommost If you can provide an environment variable telling me where to create the fifos, I can do so from the CGI.
14 23:52:00 tommost lalala | tee fifo/directory/*
14 23:53:00 tommost I can't remember exactly how tee works.
14 23:53:00 Morasique tommost: it outputs stdin to stdout and the filename you give it
14 23:53:00 tommost That's what I thought.
14 23:53:00 tommost Does it output to multiple files if you give them to it?
14 23:53:00 Morasique yeah
14 23:54:00 tommost Still, the stdout bit is pointless.
14 23:54:00 tommost But whatever.
14 23:54:00 Morasique well, if you don't need stdout you could just redirect it, the point of tee is to get both
14 23:54:00 andy753421 yea, you know, so is unix and all...
14 23:54:00 Morasique you can just do command > file1 > file2 > file3 > ...
14 23:54:00 tommost andy753421: I meant for this application.
14 23:54:00 andy753421 Morasique: only in zsh
14 23:55:00 tommost Obviously tee is generally useful.
14 23:55:00 octavious with multios module, i believe
14 23:55:00 Morasique oh. well zsh is all that matters :)
14 23:56:00 tommost So, in luglog.sh, insert after line 27: echo "$line" | tee "$FIFOS/*"
14 23:56:00 tommost Is that what you mean?
14 23:58:00 andy753421 actually, 26s/>>/| tee fifo >>/
14 23:59:00 tommost Oh, yeah, the line number would be wrong. I messed with my copy of luglog.sh for testing.
15 00:01:00 andy753421 tommost: write up some docs on how it works
15 00:02:00 andy753421 docs that include an INSTALL section
15 00:02:00 tommost These are very high orders.
15 00:04:00 auchter andy753421: i'm surprised you're not making him write them in troff ;)
15 00:04:00 Morasique i vote for makefiles and man pages
15 00:05:00 auchter wow, Morasique insisting on troff... would have never expected that.
15 00:05:00 tommost I don't even know what troff is, so that's out.
15 00:06:00 tommost I'm writing docs in reST in log.cgi's docstring.
15 00:06:00 tommost Take that.
15 00:06:00 Morasique tommost: i didn't either until about a minute ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troff
15 00:06:00 andy753421 I'm not installing it.
15 00:06:00 andy753421 Take that.
15 00:06:00 Morasique i like man pages, even if the markup format is absurd
15 00:07:00 tommost andy753421: Popular sentiment seems to be that our log viewer is not sufficiently numerically advanced --- it's stuck in the 1.somethings. I don't think that you can resist the will of the people for long.
15 00:08:00 auchter yeah, all my other log views are at version 10, why is ours at 1.2 still?
15 00:08:00 andy753421 we might have to skip from 4 to 7 or something..
15 00:09:00 tommost I just defined __version__ to be 5.6.1989.
15 00:12:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/log/
15 00:13:00 andy753421 am I supposed to do something with that?
15 00:13:00 tommost I have modified log.cgi and loggen.py.
15 00:13:00 tommost Docs are in log.cgi.
15 00:15:00 andy753421 two things so far..
15 00:15:00 andy753421 1. please just use a config variable, it's much simpler than environ
15 00:16:00 tommost You asked for environ before.
15 00:16:00 tommost Config is easy enough.
15 00:16:00 andy753421 i did?
15 00:16:00 tommost Yeah.
15 00:16:00 tommost It was strange.
15 00:16:00 tommost What would you like the values to be?
15 00:16:00 andy753421 i don't care
15 00:16:00 tommost You're installing the thing. You have to care.
15 00:17:00 andy753421 put them in a separate config files so I don't have to change it when i update the server
15 00:17:00 tommost What values would you assign to LOG_DIR and FIFO_DIR?
15 00:17:00 tommost Okay.
15 00:17:00 tommost Just a moment.
15 00:17:00 andy753421 anyway, two, it would be better for me to create the fifos than for you to
15 00:18:00 andy753421 and why are there multiple fifos anyway?
15 00:18:00 tommost Because multiple people can be viewing the log viewer at once.
15 00:18:00 tommost And you can't read stuff from a fifo more than once.
15 00:19:00 tommost We just spent half an hour discussing this.
15 00:19:00 andy753421 ah, i must have missed that
15 00:20:00 andy753421 anyway, easier way, just do 'tail -f' on the log file
15 00:20:00 tommost There is now a log_config.py file.
15 00:20:00 tommost You can stick it in the same directory as the CGI and fill in the config values.
15 00:20:00 andy753421 sure
15 00:21:00 tommost log.cgi has been modified to import from it.
15 00:22:00 andy753421 and/or use inotify
15 00:23:00 tommost On the logs?
15 00:23:00 andy753421 yea
15 00:24:00 tommost I'd have to do some rewriting to do that.
15 00:25:00 tommost You should have pointed that out *before* I went to the trouble of figuring out fifos.
15 00:25:00 andy753421 consider it a 'learning experience', your welcome :P
15 00:26:00 tommost Also, you'd have to install a Python module for inotify functionality.
15 00:26:00 tommost The most of the learning that happened was realizing that Unix pipes and fifos are the same thing. After that it was easy.
15 00:27:00 andy753421 it's in portage, although it's marked ~x86, i'll still install it
15 00:27:00 andy753421 fifos are ugly
15 00:27:00 tommost GaaaAAAAHHH!!!
15 00:28:00 tommost I have homework to do tonight, thank you very much.
15 00:28:00 tommost Just use the fifos.
15 00:28:00 tommost I'll rewrite it later.
15 00:28:00 andy753421 I already said your welcome
15 00:28:00 tommost That's "you're welcome".
15 00:28:00 andy753421 meh
15 00:29:00 tommost The ghost of the English language frowns at you.
15 00:30:00 andy753421 Yes, I now finally realize why I'm majoring in CS and not English.
15 00:32:00 Morasique i imagine every day andy regrets this: 03/24/08 16:56 andy753421 tommost: if you make the log viewer not require a cron job i'll put it up on the server
15 00:32:00 andy753421 Morasique: I did put it on the server, I never said anything about leaving it there.
15 00:32:00 Morasique :)
15 00:33:00 andy753421 and tom's pain makes it all worth it in the end
15 00:33:00 Morasique the suffering does make me smile
15 00:34:00 andy753421 speaking of which, I think someone should rewrite this in PHP
15 00:35:00 tommost I hate you all.
15 00:38:00 tommost You make DE more fun than programming. This is a sad day.
15 00:44:00 Morasique i think we need a c++ version, the python version is just too slow
15 00:44:00 tommost I'll rewrite it in D.
15 00:46:00 Morasique that's the spirit
15 00:48:00 tommost I'm giving it a lower priority than both the Sun Rays and BSD on my MobilePro, though. So if you want something in the next couple of weeks, I recommend that you just use the stuff I already write with FIFOs.
15 00:49:00 auchter Sun Ra > Sun Ray
15 00:49:00 andy753421 tommost: ok
15 01:25:00 Morasique maybe a month ago i was using evolution and thoroughly disliked thunderbird, and now i'm using thunderbird and i have no idea why i didn't like it
15 01:26:00 Morasique i remember trying it and finding it terrible, i swear somebody switched it with a new version without telling me
15 01:39:00 auchter Morasique: you'll say the same think about plan9 one day
15 01:39:00 Morasique less likely, but i'll keep it in mind
15 01:40:00 Morasique i'm going to stab whoever hacked into my computer and disabled the Dbus plugin in compiz
15 01:40:00 Morasique i know it was one of you
15 01:40:00 Morasique because the alternative is i for some reason shut it off and forgot, which is just silly
15 01:41:00 andy753421 what does compiz need DBus for?
15 01:41:00 Morasique it doesn't need it for anything, but you can access pretty much everything through it if you want to
15 01:42:00 Morasique and one of my scripts that uses it stopped working a few days ago, and i couldn't figure out why, apparently i shut the dbus plugin off, or it shut itself off
15 01:42:00 Morasique i choose to believe the latter
15 01:44:00 andy753421 I bet Mark Shuttleworth turned it off.
15 01:44:00 Morasique scurries to wikipedia
15 01:44:00 Morasique it frightens me that you know who that is. you don't even use ubuntu
15 01:49:00 andy753421 Morasique: you should read more Everybody loves Eric Raymond
15 01:50:00 auchter Morasique: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further
15 01:54:00 tommost No, Thunderbird's been stuck much as it is for a while. The only difference I noticed with Thunderbird 2.0 was that they changed "labels" to "tags" --- annoying, since they're not tags if you can only apply one at once.
15 01:56:00 Morasique yeah, i thought that naming was stupid. and i know they didn't change it, i just have no explanation for how my opinion completely reversed itself like a month later
15 01:56:00 Morasique also, there's a plugin that lets you add sunbird's calendar and tasks into it, which is pretty fantastic
15 01:57:00 Morasique i believe i am now free of outlook
15 01:57:00 Blazeix Does sunbird work with the outlook calendar?
15 01:57:00 andy753421 nope
15 01:57:00 Morasique no, they're separate
15 01:57:00 Morasique but i'm fine with that
15 01:57:00 Morasique i just didn't like any other PIMs as much as outlook
15 01:57:00 andy753421 i think evolution tries to, but last i check it failed
15 01:57:00 Morasique it does, it works ok, but i had enough problems that i ended up switching
15 01:58:00 Blazeix I've been trying to train myself to use a calendar system for a while now, but I always fail.
15 01:58:00 Blazeix I really should make another attempt
15 01:58:00 Morasique well, if you can function without one than go for it, if i don't put something in my calendar i completely forget about it. like my 376 meeting yesterday my teammates were rather annoyed at me about
15 02:04:00 MoraSiqu2 test
15 02:04:00 Morasique awesome. now my xchat icon has a water ripple effect when a new channel message arrives. and people say compiz is useless
15 02:07:00 Morasique i suspect nobody is speaking precisely to spite me
15 04:00:00 Morasique i told gnu chess to play itself, it got stuck in a loop of the same 4 moves 50 times while i laughed, and as i was about to stop it it suddenly broke out of it and finished the game
15 09:38:00 tommost finishes reading the log
15 09:39:00 tommost Wow... I missed a lot last night. I have questions to ask of Morasique.
15 10:42:00 Blazeix tommos1: well, Morasique will be ready to answer your questions with his water ripple effect.
15 10:42:00 tommos1 Precisely.
15 10:43:00 Morasique hell yes i am. to think i might still be paying attention to compilers if the xchat icon hadn't gone all crazy
15 11:54:00 tommost auchter, andy753421: The security certificate for lug.phire.org does not inspire confidence.
15 11:54:00 tommost Internet Widgits Pty Ltd?
15 11:58:00 tommost moacad.com? WTF? Can't you at least go to the trouble of self-signing your own certificate?
15 12:41:00 andy753421 tommost: host moacad.com
15 12:41:00 andy753421 i run that site as well, and you can't have multiple SSL certificates on the same HTTP port
15 12:43:00 andy753421 since moacad.com was first, they get the certificate
15 12:43:00 Morasique we have literally hit the bottom of the barrel for guest speakers. for software architecture, we have a business analyst from protrans (a freight company) telling us about their VB6 application
15 12:46:00 andy753421 tommost: although, I don't know why 'Internet Widgets Pty Ltd' is listed as the organization
15 12:47:00 Morasique you should leave it, it's a good name
15 12:47:00 andy753421 i think it's the default from openssl or something
15 12:49:00 Morasique ah. yeah, it is. way to name your organization
15 13:38:00 auchter i love printing my homework to Skinner
15 13:40:00 andy753421 someone should probably change that default
15 14:10:00 Morasique wow. our 376 TA uses a mac, and apparently word on mac messes some stuff up so he's been taking off points all quarter for things we had right, so groups have to meet with him now to show him our documents on our computers. maybe he should just get a better operating system and save us all some time
15 14:10:00 ferrela1 who is it?
15 14:10:00 Morasique bryan musial
15 14:11:00 ferrela1 lol sucks to be you
15 14:13:00 Morasique well, i cleverly do my homework in tex and turn in pdfs, so i don't have that problem, but it sucks to be everyone that used word
15 14:54:00 tommost andy753421: Okay, that makes more sense.
15 14:54:00 tommost It's still stupid, but it makes more sense.
15 14:55:00 tommost The LUG really needs its own server...
15 14:58:00 auchter i suppose we could install linux on one of the machines for plan9
15 14:59:00 tommost That would work.
15 14:59:00 tommost Is it the network card situation that prevents you from using them for Plan9?
15 15:01:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, i think that's the problem
15 15:02:00 tommost Were you thinking that the LUG would purchase a couple of compatible cards?
15 15:05:00 auchter tommost: actually we really only need two servers, auth and cpu
15 15:05:00 auchter the other was meant for the cs lab, but that won't happen
15 15:05:00 tommost Nonetheless, were you thinking that the LUG would purchase the cards to make the second machine work?
15 15:51:00 auchter tommost: nope
15 16:42:00 Morasique apparently xchat isn't free for windows, my work copy expired
15 16:49:00 auchter woah, they still have shareware?
15 16:53:00 auchter woo, maple 11 on addiator, finally
15 17:18:00 Morasique ever try sage? i looked at it a little bit, but i haven't really used it
15 17:19:00 auchter it's a pain to install
15 17:19:00 auchter but yeah, i'm interested in it
15 17:58:00 auchter hm, i just had a decent idea for laptops that have a builtin webcam
15 17:58:00 auchter a pam plugin that captures an image from the webcam when an incorrect password is entered
15 18:44:00 andy753421 is reading the SGA constitution
15 18:45:00 andy753421 apparently we can press charges against people (Article V) but I haven't figure out how yet..
15 18:46:00 andy753421 and apparently SGA can go bankrupt..
15 18:49:00 auchter we need to find a law student who wants to decipher the constitution
15 18:54:00 Morasique i think it's written in english. the founding fathers planned ahead like that
15 18:55:00 auchter s/constitution/SGA constitution/
15 18:56:00 Morasique reads log
15 18:56:00 Morasique and it all becomes clear
15 18:58:00 auchter Article IV, section 7 is interesting
15 19:00:00 andy753421 yea, i was searching, I can't seem to figure out who the board of managers is
15 19:00:00 auchter me neither...
15 19:01:00 auchter i'm picturing it as some sort of secret society at this point
15 19:01:00 auchter i can only find historical references to it
15 19:02:00 andy753421 you might have to look in the faculty handbook for that
15 19:02:00 andy753421 oh, apparently the board of managers is now called the trustees
15 19:02:00 Morasique not only are you both fascinated by the sga constitution, but you're actually cross-referencing other documents
15 19:03:00 andy753421 Morasique: looking for loopholes ;)
15 19:03:00 andy753421 really, it's like security auditing
15 19:03:00 Morasique you're probably the first people to ever read the whole thing, you'll probably find something
15 19:03:00 Morasique if the disc golf club gets club status before we do i'm going to be sad
15 19:04:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/StudentHandbook/
15 19:04:00 auchter " The Board of Trustees has granted authority to the President of the Institute, in an instance of major disturbance or civil disobedience, to immediately dismiss any student or employee who refuses to leave the scene of the disturbance."
15 19:05:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/groups/Registrar/arap/rules2000.htm: "The Board of Managers has granted authority to the President of the Institute, in an instance of major disturbance or civil disobedience, to immediately dismiss any student or employee who refuses to leave the scene of the disturbance."
15 19:05:00 auchter so yeah, board of trustees
15 19:07:00 Morasique apparently if we want to stay in the buildings past 11pm we're supposed to get a special pass
15 19:09:00 auchter it'd be fun if they tried to enforce that...
15 19:09:00 Morasique i think they would get tired of half the cs department calling them daily asking for passes
15 19:10:00 Morasique i wonder what they'd do if we did try to get one, i bet it's never happened before
15 19:10:00 andy753421 i've only had anyone care was over the summer when I was in the CS lab at around midnight
15 19:10:00 andy753421 they made me sign some paper and show them my ID
15 19:10:00 Blazeix wow
15 19:10:00 Morasique i was in the cs lab over the summer and i never saw anybody
15 19:10:00 Morasique although i am a ninja
15 19:10:00 andy753421 i was also taking apart all the computers at that point :/
15 19:11:00 andy753421 but I was supposed to be doing so, so it was alright
15 19:14:00 auchter haha, good for a laugh: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/rh-mig/events.htm
15 19:16:00 Morasique what heresy is this
15 19:16:00 Morasique how have i not known about this
15 19:17:00 Blazeix Look at their member group
15 19:17:00 Blazeix quite a few people
15 19:18:00 auchter " TJ Terry from the Apple store in Indy will visit Rose to demonstrate some of the new features in iLife '04"
15 19:18:00 auchter in other words, "I'm a consumer whore!"
15 19:19:00 Blazeix 4 of their offices were filled by the same person.
15 19:19:00 Blazeix I'm betting he graduated in 2004, and all interest dropped off
15 19:19:00 Morasique not to get ideas from them or anything, but we should have a table at the events thingy they do at the beginning of every year if we hadn't planned on it, i didn't think of that till now
15 19:19:00 auchter Morasique: we had one this year
15 19:19:00 Morasique oh. bravo
15 19:20:00 auchter it was very elaborate, a piece of paper with glenda and tux on it, with lines underneath
15 19:20:00 Morasique lots of lines?
15 19:20:00 auchter oh, indeed
15 19:20:00 Morasique as long as it was more lines than mig
15 19:21:00 Blazeix Don't look at the source of the website.
15 19:21:00 Blazeix It can kill a CS at 50 yards
15 19:21:00 Morasique translation: everyone go look at the source of the website
15 19:22:00 Morasique i remember when this used to be not ridiculous
15 19:22:00 Morasique silly web 1.0
15 19:23:00 auchter heh, my crypto prof is/was their advisor
15 19:24:00 auchter i had not pictured him as a mac user, especially when he stipulated that our code must run either on his tablet or his linux machine
15 19:31:00 Morasique he's seen the error of his ways over time
15 19:32:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/rh-mig/publications.htm
15 19:32:00 auchter so, what time is the robotics meeting tonight? tom's email was slightly ambiguous
15 19:32:00 Morasique they sell their presentations for money
15 19:33:00 Morasique they should get a wiki
15 19:33:00 Blazeix typical
15 19:33:00 auchter "shareware," until today, i thought shareware was dead years ago
15 19:34:00 Morasique no, my windows machine has lots of expired programs that nag me but keep running :)
15 19:34:00 Blazeix well, this site was last updated in 2004, it looks like
15 19:34:00 Morasique yeah, may 2004
15 19:35:00 Morasique i'm reading the iait computing guidelines; apparently illegal stuff is not ok. "All illegal behavior is fundamentally unethical and therefore violates this policy"
15 19:35:00 Morasique "The use of computing facilities, either intentionally or through reckless system use, to harm or negatively impact another's legitimate use of computing facilities is unethical."
15 19:36:00 auchter "All illegal behavior is fundamentally unethical" uh, since when?
15 19:36:00 Morasique so if, hypothetically, bittorrenting freshmen were ruining my urban terror games, that would be unethical, right?
15 19:36:00 Morasique since iait said so
15 19:36:00 Morasique maybe you should reread the computing guidelines
15 19:36:00 Morasique :)
15 19:36:00 Blazeix So, wiping linux and installing windows on the CS lab computer negatively impacted my computer use
15 19:36:00 auchter yeah, i forgot that ethical == legal, and unethical == illegal
15 19:37:00 Morasique blazeix: ooo, good point
15 19:37:00 ferrelaj Too bad the US justice system isn't the one enforcing this policy... life would be so much better for us
15 19:37:00 Morasique they use unethical a number of times actually
15 19:37:00 auchter also, for a good laugh: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/drugpolicy
15 19:37:00 auchter the use of capslock is classic
15 19:37:00 Morasique nice, i didn't even know we had a drug policy
15 19:38:00 Morasique do we have an alcohol policy somewhere? i'd love to read it
15 19:38:00 Morasique ooo, a table of slang words. i should bookmark this for reference
15 19:39:00 auchter we do, but remember that alcohol is not nearly as bad as most of what's on that page, because it's legal
15 19:39:00 Morasique and thus ethical
15 19:39:00 auchter of course, it's the american way
15 19:40:00 Morasique "Don't be fooled by the fact that alcohol is not controlled in the same way that other drugs are - it's a powerful depressant."
15 19:40:00 Morasique _auchter_
15 19:40:00 Morasique tisk
15 19:40:00 Morasique you should refer to pages 16-17 of the student handbook for more information
15 19:40:00 Morasique before it's too late
15 19:40:00 auchter notice the mention of "death" as an effect for cocaine, but not for alcohol...
15 19:41:00 Blazeix A warning sign for marijuana is "Odor of marijuana present."
15 19:41:00 Blazeix Thank you rose-hulman drug policy.
15 19:42:00 auchter OPIATES: "Excessive need for money."
15 19:43:00 auchter yeah, going to rose couldn't *possibly* have that effect...
15 19:43:00 Blazeix auchter: excellent point, I'm going to report everyone on campus as a possible opiate user.
15 19:44:00 Morasique if only mig still existed, we could start with them
15 19:45:00 Morasique "Lethargy, drowsy behavior"? i think everyone may seriously be on opiates
15 19:46:00 auchter or depressants: "Tends to fall asleep in class or in meetings."
15 19:47:00 auchter "May examine everyday common objects for long periods of time." the sign of an engineer, or of a hallucinogen user?
15 19:49:00 Morasique mig is still in the handbook as a student group
15 19:49:00 auchter yeah, that's why i linked to the page
15 19:49:00 Blazeix We should register as mig, and take their money. It will secretly be a symbolic link.
15 19:50:00 Morasique ok, we need volunteers to go to sga and say they've changed their minds and now find mac os to be the superior operating system after all
15 19:52:00 auchter i don't know that anyone would be willing
15 19:52:00 Blazeix I volunteer rr72
15 19:53:00 Morasique second
15 19:53:00 Morasique he's going to be sad when he comes back
15 20:08:00 kleinjt auchter: Do you know if robotics is starting at 8:00 or 8:30? I just got a toner transfer of the i2c onto copper.
15 20:09:00 kleinjt Er.. i2c board onto a copper coated piece of insulator, I'm not sure what exactly
15 20:11:00 auchter kleinjt: no idea, but i'm here
15 20:11:00 auchter yeah, 4 people are here
15 20:12:00 kleinjt auchter: Ok, uh.. I'll be over
15 20:15:00 auchter andy753421: meeting
15 20:17:00 andy753421 ah, that's right
15 20:17:00 andy753421 tom confused me with his strange e-mails
15 20:17:00 andy753421 i'll be right over
15 20:17:00 Morasique he does that
15 20:53:00 rr72 auchter~ whats sga?
15 20:54:00 rr72 Blazeix~ ok? wtf?!
15 20:59:00 Blazeix rr72: sga is the student government association.
15 20:59:00 rr72 Blazeix~ and why the hell would i be talking to them?
15 21:00:00 rr72 correction: why the fuck are you volenteering me?
15 21:00:00 Blazeix The bigger issue would be why would you be saying macs are superior
15 21:01:00 Blazeix and I was kidding.
15 21:01:00 rr72 i am not even down there, will be 27th
15 21:01:00 rr72 afk, doing calc
15 21:02:00 Blazeix Morasique: nice quit message
15 21:03:00 Morasique it's randomly generated from the file, i'm a fan :)
15 21:03:00 Morasique sadly, i never get to see them
15 21:20:00 jboticsource hello all
15 21:20:00 jboticsource i am Jay Kinzie
15 21:20:00 ferrelaj sup Jay
15 21:41:00 jboticsource i am on lug
15 21:42:00 jboticsource and am the robotics mechanical team leader and treasurer
15 21:42:00 jboticsource who r all u guys?
15 21:43:00 jboticsource hi octavious
15 21:44:00 jboticsource who are u ferrelaj?
15 21:44:00 ferrelaj Tony Ferrel
15 21:44:00 ferrelaj l
15 21:44:00 jboticsource i have not met you yet
15 21:44:00 ferrelaj big glasses, frequently in both LUG and robotics, lately, delinquent
15 21:45:00 jboticsource oh ok
15 21:45:00 jboticsource yes tony
15 21:45:00 jboticsource i remember
15 21:45:00 jboticsource ROTC right?
15 21:45:00 ferrelaj :-D
15 21:45:00 ferrelaj yep
15 21:45:00 jboticsource i want another install fest
15 21:45:00 jboticsource this quarter
15 21:52:00 jboticsource i got 2 go laterz
15 22:10:00 tommos2 auchter: The speed byte in the motor controller protocol is ignored when braking, right?
15 22:26:00 auchter jboticsource: 'z' != 's' (trust me, i just tried in, gcc said no.)
15 22:26:00 auchter tommos2: sure
15 22:26:00 tommos2 Okay. I've updated the documentation to clarify this.
15 22:31:00 kleinjt auchter: did you get the email with the gerber files I sent?
15 22:31:00 auchter kleinjt: yeah, i did.
15 22:31:00 kleinjt mmkay
15 22:32:00 auchter you should probably set your clock though
15 22:32:00 kleinjt nah, it is fine
15 22:32:00 auchter uh, no. no it's not.
15 22:33:00 kleinjt eh? I've lived with it this far, I haven't noticed any issues
15 22:33:00 kleinjt Why should my computer know what time it is? I don't think it should know that sort of information
15 22:43:00 auchter kleinjt: so, what's this about minimum quantity of 4?
15 22:44:00 auchter oh, never mind
15 22:45:00 andy753422 auchter: is that acid still sitting outside meyers?
15 22:45:00 auchter kleinjt: ok, i'm going to go through the board schematic and verify that it matches the h-bridge part of the osmc schematic, could you do the same as well?
15 22:45:00 auchter andy753422: no
15 22:46:00 andy753422 ok, what about the baking soda?
15 22:46:00 auchter yes
15 22:46:00 kleinjt auchter: ok, I'll check
15 22:46:00 andy753422 alright
15 22:49:00 auchter ok, i don't see any problems with the h-bridge itself
15 22:49:00 kleinjt I've been checking the driver
15 22:50:00 auchter i was just checking that
15 22:51:00 kleinjt look at pins 17 and 13
15 22:52:00 auchter 17's ground, and 13 is ALO, which is connected to the gate
15 22:53:00 kleinjt ok, never mind, it looked different, and I was tracing down if it was the same
15 22:53:00 kleinjt are we using the same mosfet driver IC?
15 22:54:00 kleinjt never mind, I see what I thought was funny looking
15 22:55:00 auchter ok. i just verified that the mosfet pinout matches the IRF1405: 1 Gate, 2 Drain, 3 Source
15 23:02:00 kleinjt I don't see any problems
15 23:03:00 auchter i don't either
15 23:03:00 auchter a thought: do we want to have the option to supply the power for the hip4801 from another source?
15 23:06:00 kleinjt yeah, it looks like the OSMC might have separate connectors, with the motors straight off the battery perhaps
15 23:08:00 auchter the motors are straight from the battery, the hip4081 is powered by a bucking switching regulator
15 23:08:00 auchter so the motors can be run at higher voltages
15 23:08:00 auchter i'm worried about the voltage drop when the motor stalls/is near stall
15 23:09:00 auchter if the hip4081 will still operate properly
15 23:09:00 kleinjt right. the data sheet says it can work down to 8V, if I am reading it correctly
15 23:16:00 auchter kleinjt: update the repo and take a look at rev3pole.sch
15 23:18:00 kleinjt I only see a rev3pole.brd
15 23:18:00 auchter uh, i definitely added and commited .sch "Adding (bin) motorcontroller/rev3pole.sch
15 23:26:00 Morasique zaszamonde: so which distro of linux do you use?
15 23:26:00 Morasique right now
15 23:26:00 Zaszamonde dslinux
15 23:26:00 Zaszamonde at least attemping
15 23:26:00 Morasique ....touche
15 23:26:00 Zaszamonde heh
15 23:27:00 kleinjt auchter: Ok, I found it, looks like it matches the OSMC schematic
15 23:27:00 Morasique i had "HE'S A WINDOWS USER" halfway typed out and had to delete it
15 23:27:00 Zaszamonde omg windowz!
15 23:27:00 Zaszamonde wait, you were talking about me
15 23:27:00 auchter kleinjt: hm?
15 23:27:00 Morasique blazeix: i just saw the sga signup sheet, does rr72 know you put him down?
15 23:28:00 auchter kleinjt: did you do the routing for that board
15 23:28:00 rr72 Morasique~ ENOUGH
15 23:28:00 Blazeix Morasique: He's giving a speech on the 27th
15 23:28:00 kleinjt auchter: no, I compared which of the 12v signals you broke out to the jumper and the ones the OSMC isolated.
15 23:28:00 rr72 yes Blazeix talked to me
15 23:28:00 kleinjt auchter: I could route it I suppose, if that is what you were asking
15 23:28:00 auchter yes, it was indeed a subtle hint
15 23:29:00 rr72 route add go to hell death666
15 23:29:00 Blazeix scary.
15 23:29:00 auchter +1, Informative
15 23:29:00 Morasique bump
15 23:30:00 tommos2 I am confused.
15 23:31:00 Blazeix So, I was doing econ homework earlier, and the equation for Market Premium is rm-rf
15 23:31:00 Blazeix best equation ever.
15 23:31:00 auchter Blazeix: white out the rest of the assignment and turn it in
15 23:31:00 Morasique what's even cooler is, there's a terminal calculator for doing market premiums that comes with linux
15 23:31:00 Morasique you should all try it
15 23:31:00 Morasique ...
15 23:32:00 Blazeix Morasique: I just typed it in, and my system is broken now
15 23:32:00 Blazeix thanks.
15 23:32:00 Morasique HA! bash.org
15 23:32:00 Blazeix lolzors
15 23:32:00 Blazeix All right, we're done here.
15 23:32:00 Morasique 1) get people to run rm -rf
15 23:33:00 Morasique 2) ???
15 23:33:00 Morasique 3) profit
15 23:40:00 Morasique what is the "" that shows up at the beginnings of lines randomly in the text log?
15 23:42:00 tommos2 That looks like a UTF-8 BOM.
15 23:43:00 tommos2 Are you referring to the HTML or text log?
15 23:44:00 Morasique "in the text log"
15 23:44:00 tommos2 feels silly
15 23:44:00 tommos2 I guess that sic is being very earnest about UTF-8?
15 23:44:00 Morasique you're right, they mention it in the wikipedia article
15 23:48:00 kleinjt auchter: why does the jumper the battery 12V?
15 23:50:00 auchter what?
15 23:51:00 Morasique indeed
15 23:51:00 Blazeix and how!
15 23:51:00 auchter ..active group today
15 23:51:00 kleinjt auchter: On the rev3pole.sch, the jumper, JP1, gets 12V++ and AGND along with VCC and GND
15 23:51:00 auchter yes...
15 23:51:00 Morasique i hope that made no sense too, because if it did i am a failure at hardware
15 23:52:00 kleinjt auchter: I was wondering why it got 12V++
15 23:52:00 auchter Morasique: i'm waiting for him to elaborate on why this is an issue?
15 23:52:00 Morasique you're a step ahead of me, i'm waiting for him to say words i've heard of
15 23:53:00 auchter kleinjt: so we can chose to run the hip4081 off of the same battery as the motors themselves by using a jumper, or connect and external source directly to the VCC and DGND pins
15 23:53:00 auchter s/and/an/
15 23:53:00 kleinjt auchter: It is going to be annoying to route, and I did not see why it was needed, so I was failing at asking a question about that
15 23:53:00 auchter ah, i see
15 23:53:00 auchter alternative suggestions?
15 23:54:00 kleinjt I'll move around the jumper and see what I can do..
15 23:55:00 kleinjt Also, C2 does not appear to be connected to GND
15 23:55:00 kleinjt I'm sticking it on GND, not AGND
15 23:55:00 kleinjt er.. DGND, whatever
15 23:55:00 Morasique why is there more than one ground?
15 23:55:00 Morasique <-- CS
15 23:55:00 kleinjt C2 will be between DGND and VCC, mmmkay? Unless you want it elsewhere
15 23:57:00 kleinjt motors are noisy, we're trying to stick the motor on a different power supply than the chip that drives the transistors that drives the motor. er.. that is how I understand it
15 23:57:00 auchter kleinjt: good job, my head now hurts.
15 23:57:00 auchter c2 should be between DGND and VCC
15 23:58:00 kleinjt mmkay, C2 was between VCC and fiberglass before, I've connected it to DGND
15 23:58:00 auchter yeah, i forgot to connect it.
15 23:58:00 auchter Morasique: it's operating on two planets simultaneously, if we connected everything just to earth, there may be potential issues
15 23:59:00 Morasique damn it, i just found it on the internet. you suck
15 23:59:00 Morasique http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/Anniversary/12.html
15 23:59:00 Morasique oh, nevermind, you were lying. i yelled at you before i read what you said
15 23:59:00 Morasique good, i don't need you anyway :)
15 23:59:00 Morasique i have google
16 00:01:00 auchter that's what i get for trying to be helpful...
16 00:02:00 kleinjt I'm not sure if our AGND and DGND labels are even accurate
16 00:02:00 auchter oh, they're not.
16 00:02:00 kleinjt In the sense of that article
16 00:03:00 auchter we should probably discuss this through other means so as to not confuse the CS/SE people here
16 00:03:00 auchter not to mention the irrelevance of this to linux
16 00:03:00 Zaszamonde you'll need diagrams to help them out
16 00:03:00 tommos2 No, no. This is the robotics club's chat room too.
16 00:03:00 Morasique hey, we're not confused. just very, very behind
16 00:04:00 Zaszamonde ...we might need puppets
16 00:04:00 kleinjt burlap sack puppets
16 00:04:00 auchter oh yeah, how's that article coming?
16 00:04:00 Zaszamonde wow. that's still a thing?
16 00:04:00 Blazeix I've been bugging Isaac about it, but he hasn't been very responsive
16 00:05:00 auchter Blazeix: people usually respond well to cattle prods if they don't respond to general suggestion
16 00:06:00 Zaszamonde Isaac is a black belt though
16 00:06:00 Zaszamonde This could be an interesting fight
16 00:06:00 Blazeix I just need a very long cattle prod
16 00:06:00 Zaszamonde and some Mortal Kombat music
16 00:07:00 Morasique http://137.112.138.172/mortal_kombat_techno_remix.mp3
16 00:07:00 Morasique go
16 00:08:00 kleinjt auchter: I don't see getting the J1 connected to the battery unless I can use vias
16 00:09:00 auchter kleinjt: i don't think that's a problem
16 00:10:00 Morasique i'm resisting the urge to yell out CS suggestions like j1.connect(battery);
16 00:10:00 auchter Morasique: apparently not strongly enough
16 00:11:00 Morasique ...damn
16 00:11:00 auchter i'm still bitter about you talking about having compiz put ripples on your xchat icon as i'm hand optimizing assembly...
16 00:12:00 Morasique :D the ripple was still dissipating as i read that
16 00:15:00 kleinjt auchter: ok, I commited it, I found a way to do it without vias
16 00:16:00 Morasique robot.allowVias(false);
16 00:16:00 auchter ok, looks good to me
16 00:16:00 Morasique i am awesome at this
16 00:17:00 auchter kleinjt: want to generate the gerber files and commit the zipfile?
16 00:17:00 kleinjt sure, if you feel like it. the .cam file on batchpcb.com worked pretty well for everything but the silkscreen layer.
16 00:18:00 auchter ok, cool. let me know when it's committed.
16 00:18:00 kleinjt sorry, I read that as "want me to .."
16 00:18:00 kleinjt wishful thinking.. mmkay, I'll get on it..
16 00:18:00 auchter hah, ok
16 00:18:00 kleinjt I'll send it by email so it will get done sooner
16 00:19:00 auchter ?
16 00:19:00 kleinjt you keep complaining about my clock
16 00:20:00 auchter ah, i see... worst logic i've seen today
16 00:31:00 kleinjt I thought "<kleinjt> auchter: why does the jumper the battery 12V?" was the winner. At any rate, committed a zip. The silkscreen layer looks really screwey, but it has the component names on it, when they aren't impaled by drill holes.
16 00:32:00 Zaszamonde what the hell is with the concealed carry posters everywhere?
16 00:34:00 kleinjt Somebody on my floor was putting them up, if I stand in the hallway, I can see about 4 of them
16 00:34:00 Zaszamonde wow
16 00:35:00 Zaszamonde gun toting crazies
16 00:35:00 Zaszamonde not that i'm judging or anything
16 00:35:00 auchter what concealed carry posters?
16 00:35:00 Blazeix all around the dorms.
16 00:35:00 Morasique they're posters. they advocate concealed carry
16 00:35:00 tommos2 Zaszamonde: If I were to say that out loud at Rose I'd fear getting shot.
16 00:35:00 Zaszamonde they want guns on campus
16 00:35:00 auchter ah, that's it then?
16 00:35:00 Zaszamonde 'cause it's a good idea and all
16 00:35:00 Zaszamonde oh wait...
16 00:35:00 Morasique aren't you a republican?
16 00:36:00 Zaszamonde ya
16 00:36:00 Zaszamonde but guns kill
16 00:36:00 Morasique yes. especially in the hands of republicans
16 00:36:00 Zaszamonde and no guns lowers the killing
16 00:36:00 Zaszamonde it's easy math
16 00:36:00 kleinjt I don't support guns in bars, so by association, I don't support guns in the dorms.
16 00:36:00 Morasique please don't equate the dorms with bars, i get that impression enough already
16 00:36:00 auchter well then, i suppose i'm in the crazy minority
16 00:36:00 tommos2 kleinjt: You just made my Facebook quotes.
16 00:37:00 Zaszamonde i think it's an unnecessary change
16 00:37:00 Morasique auchter: i don't think it's going to matter, i doubt public safety is going to do anything
16 00:37:00 Zaszamonde the status quo is fine
16 00:37:00 kleinjt Morasique: how is it not a fair comparison?
16 00:37:00 auchter Zaszamonde: agreed, for the most part
16 00:37:00 Morasique oh, it is, i just don't like being reminded
16 00:38:00 auchter but when you consider the number of people who live in the dorms who have a ccp, the number effected by a change would be small
16 00:38:00 Morasique i like to pretend the basement is a bubble where the freshman don't come to get drunk
16 00:38:00 Morasique auchter: nicely done. http://xkcd.com/326/
16 00:38:00 Zaszamonde I think campus is way to small to deal with firearms of any sort
16 00:38:00 Zaszamonde also, too drunk
16 00:39:00 Zaszamonde not a good combo
16 00:39:00 Morasique the drunkness would concern me
16 00:39:00 auchter Morasique: yaya
16 00:39:00 auchter essentially the only change i would support is the ability to have a locked firearm in the parking lots
16 00:40:00 auchter in a car, that is
16 00:40:00 Zaszamonde I could see that, but still, the possibility of a problem means that it is an unncessary liability
16 00:41:00 Zaszamonde we're a smart school, but a lot of people here have no common sense
16 00:41:00 auchter they can be stored at public safety right now as it is, which is only marginally more difficult to obtain than from a parking lot
16 00:41:00 Blazeix how hard is it to get your gun back from public safety?
16 00:41:00 Blazeix or whoever keeps the privately owned guns here.
16 00:41:00 Morasique i imagine it's something along the lines of "i promise not to go back to campus with this"
16 00:41:00 auchter the problem it would solve is for people who have ccps and need to go to campus for some reason
16 00:41:00 Zaszamonde well, when you're drunk, i bet they don't give the gun back
16 00:42:00 auchter one would hope not
16 00:42:00 Zaszamonde so i think the status quo is fine really
16 00:42:00 tommos2 auchter: How is that a problem? I don't want people with concealed carry permits on campus.
16 00:42:00 Morasique you should find the people hanging the fliers and tell them
16 00:42:00 auchter Zaszamonde: yeah, i really don't have much of a problem the way it is
16 00:42:00 Zaszamonde or i could rip the fliers down in a passive aggressive way that doesn't get me near gun-toting crazies
16 00:43:00 Morasique i don't have a problem with people with permits bringing a concealed gun on campus, if they wanted to shoot everyone they would do it without the permit and nobody would know, i worry about drunk people having guns on hand when they get drunk
16 00:43:00 auchter tommos2: yeah, i don't see the problem with it
16 00:44:00 kleinjt auchter: you are not living in the dorms..
16 00:44:00 octavious sounds like a job for someone to put signs up next to it that say "ABSOLUTELY FREE LITTLE SCRAPS OF PAPER!!" and then cut the bottom up
16 00:44:00 Morasique i can imagine someone crazy attacking vq with equal likelihood
16 00:44:00 tommos2 octavious: Briliant!
16 00:44:00 Blazeix octavious: wonderful
16 00:44:00 auchter well, the dorms are bastions of stupidity...
16 00:45:00 Morasique vq isn't exactly known for it's intelligence either
16 00:45:00 octavious i will admit that it wasnt my idea
16 00:45:00 Morasique it's no slashdot, as tommost would say
16 00:45:00 octavious http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/FreePaper.jpg
16 00:45:00 auchter Morasique: it's also not a ton of drunken freshmen
16 00:46:00 Zaszamonde it's drunken everyone else
16 00:46:00 Morasique no, it's a ton of drunk sophomores and juniors. fortunately, most of them would rather play d&d than kill people
16 00:46:00 tommos2 auchter: It is my hope that the situation will improve next year, when all of the frat people move to their frats. This is the case for a significant number of the annoying/always drunk people on my floor.
16 00:46:00 Blazeix The basement is nice. We can growl at people from here.
16 00:46:00 tommos2 Morasique: D&D!!! Yay!
16 00:46:00 Blazeix well, Zaszamonde can growl at people.
16 00:46:00 Zaszamonde heh
16 00:46:00 tommos2 Who is Zaszamonde?
16 00:46:00 Zaszamonde that's me
16 00:46:00 Zaszamonde joel
16 00:46:00 Zaszamonde beally
16 00:46:00 Zaszamonde heh
16 00:47:00 Zaszamonde couldn't resist the "that's me"
16 00:47:00 tommos2 Zaszamonde: Yeah, I picked up on that. What do you look like?
16 00:47:00 Morasique 04/14/08 21:15 zz tommost if you know /whois you could have figure it out :-P
16 00:47:00 quark lol
16 00:47:00 tommos2 Morasique: I did that earlier.
16 00:47:00 tommos2 His name doesn't help.
16 00:48:00 Morasique i just realized the list of people in this room has a scrollbar for the first time ever. go us
16 00:48:00 Morasique i should screenshot this
16 00:48:00 Blazeix He's my Morasique and mine's roommate
16 00:49:00 tommos2 The burlap sack guy?
16 00:49:00 Morasique i know who he is and i'm still confused
16 00:49:00 Blazeix wait... he's my roommate. and also Morasique's.
16 00:49:00 Blazeix yeah
16 00:49:00 Morasique one of them
16 00:49:00 Zaszamonde so, Morasique, how does ownership feel?
16 00:49:00 Zaszamonde I disavow any connection to burlap sacks
16 00:49:00 tommos2 The one that was pointed out to me at the LUG meeting, or the other one, still shrouded in mystery?
16 00:49:00 Blazeix the other one
16 00:49:00 Morasique the other one
16 00:49:00 Blazeix hah!
16 00:49:00 Zaszamonde ooo i'm mysterious
16 00:49:00 Morasique too late, you can't just make an article and abandon it like some lonely orphan child, it's your responsibility now
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde i didn't make it
16 00:50:00 Blazeix To be fair, he only fixed typos
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde i just cleaned it up and sent it on its merry way
16 00:50:00 Morasique oh, i thought he started it
16 00:50:00 Blazeix nah, that was isaac
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde no, that was Isaac
16 00:50:00 Blazeix I win again.
16 00:50:00 Morasique so it was isaac then?
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde damn
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde yes
16 00:50:00 Morasique got it
16 00:50:00 auchter so, three of you are all in the same room, talking to each other on irc, correct?
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde if you weren't sue
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde sure
16 00:50:00 Blazeix yes.
16 00:50:00 Morasique yes
16 00:50:00 Zaszamonde ask will tho
16 00:51:00 Zaszamonde maybe
16 00:51:00 Blazeix Morasique and I do it on a regular basis.
16 00:51:00 Morasique i may away message that line
16 00:51:00 auchter indeed, but now there's three
16 00:51:00 Blazeix Morasique: damn you.
16 00:51:00 Morasique mark, sam and baty do it
16 00:51:00 octavious and i am directly above them. heh.
16 00:51:00 Morasique i considered slamming on the ceiling, but isaac is sleeping
16 00:52:00 Morasique i remember when this channel was quiet, and i got homework done
16 00:53:00 Zaszamonde with the damn drumming on this floor, would he notice the slamming?
16 00:55:00 auchter kleinjt: by "stop", you mean soldermask, right?
16 00:57:00 tommost andy753422: Is your server under significant load at the moment?
16 00:57:00 auchter and did you ever submit the files to 4pcb? if so, what did you put for each file
16 00:57:00 kleinjt auchter: if yes, yes. if not, no. they are the [t,b]Stop layers
16 00:57:00 andy753422 tommost: nope
16 00:57:00 tommost Hmm... the log viewer is loading slowly for me.
16 00:58:00 tommost Maybe it's because I'm on wireless.
16 00:58:00 auchter kleinjt: uh...
16 00:58:00 Morasique tommost: maybe it's because you use compiz. zing!
16 00:58:00 Blazeix and ubuntu
16 00:58:00 Morasique and linux
16 00:58:00 kleinjt when I submitted the files to 4pcb this weekend the file extensions were different, hopefully 4pcb would autodetect these file extensions
16 00:58:00 Morasique wait. too far
16 00:58:00 kleinjt and gnome
16 00:58:00 auchter kleinjt: nope, it didn't.
16 00:59:00 auchter and x86-64
16 00:59:00 Morasique and you live in speed
16 00:59:00 auchter in terre haute
16 00:59:00 Zaszamonde if you used a babbage differential engine, you'd be fine
16 00:59:00 kleinjt auchter: blast, then use gerbv to deduce layers we'll need, and don't bother with the rest?
16 01:00:00 auchter ok, i'll do that
16 01:02:00 tommost No, I think that it's wireless. It loads instantaneously on my server under links.
16 01:04:00 tommost Wow. X forwarding is being really slow.
16 01:04:00 Blazeix xforwarding over wireless? I'd imagine so.
16 01:04:00 tommost It's 802.11g. It shouldn't be this slow.
16 01:04:00 tommost It's really odd.
16 01:05:00 kleinjt try freespace optical communication
16 01:05:00 tommost I have 86% signal strength and I'm about 10 feet from the access point.
16 01:06:00 auchter 10ft? sounds like a job for cat5
16 01:07:00 Morasique i cleverly avoid this problem by still not having functional wireless anywhere that i need it
16 01:07:00 Blazeix Yeah, I ended up buying an intell wireless card and bypassing the whole broadcom thing.
16 01:08:00 auchter b43 drivers work great for me
16 01:08:00 Blazeix It worked fine for everything but rhit1x
16 01:09:00 Morasique yeah, i can use most networks, but not 1x
16 01:09:00 auchter i can *occasionally* get on rhit-1x
16 01:09:00 andy753422 tommost: does _motor_controller.c give you errors when building?
16 01:09:00 tommost 1X works fine for me. As this crappy Linksys AP normally does.
16 01:09:00 tommost andy753422: Just a sec.
16 01:10:00 tommost No.
16 01:10:00 Blazeix we have bcm4309, what do you guys have?
16 01:10:00 Morasique tommost: you're free of broadcom's evil, you don't count
16 01:10:00 tommost My Ethernet port is Broadcom, I believe.
16 01:10:00 Morasique that almost matters :)
16 01:10:00 Zaszamonde close, so close
16 01:11:00 Morasique my video card is nvidia, and yet i still have wireless problems
16 01:11:00 tommost Nvidia? Lucky... ;-)
16 01:12:00 andy753422 tommost: do you need to include both i2c.h and i2c-dev.h? That gives me errors because those two files define the same things
16 01:12:00 tommost andy753422: Ask auchter.
16 01:12:00 Morasique yeah, we had fun insulting ati at work today
16 01:12:00 Blazeix Hopefully the open ATI specs eventually reverse the situation
16 01:12:00 Blazeix *will eventually*
16 01:12:00 tommost Yeah.
16 01:13:00 tommost Although Ubuntu improves a lot in Hardy Heron. I can run Compiz without XGL.
16 01:14:00 Blazeix I'm going to have to tackle legacy ATI drivers in an old PC i just scavenged. I'm not looking forward to it.
16 01:14:00 andy753422 tommost: for me just using i2c-dev.h works, so i'm going to go with that
16 01:14:00 andy753422 see if that works for you
16 01:14:00 tommost Sure. Tell me when you've comitted.
16 01:15:00 Blazeix Zaszamonde said that he's about to quit, and needs an awesome quit phrase. Let's all judge him.
16 01:16:00 andy753422 tommost: try that, you'll need opencv installed for the laser detection code
16 01:16:00 Zaszamonde FUCK!
16 01:16:00 Morasique but he'll already be gone :(
16 01:16:00 Morasique oh wait, i can mock him irl
16 01:16:00 Morasique everyone send me your criticism, i'll relay them
16 01:16:00 Morasique zaszamonde: just pull something from fortune. oh wait
16 01:17:00 Zaszamonde i now can never leave
16 01:17:00 Zaszamonde thanks
16 01:18:00 Morasique nice
16 01:18:00 Blazeix Morasique: tell him that sucks
16 01:18:00 Morasique done
16 01:18:00 Blazeix thanks.
16 01:20:00 tommost andy753422: The build is broken on freya.
16 01:20:00 tommost rb/drivers/_motor_controller.c:44: error: 'I2C_SLAVE' undeclared (first use in this function)
16 01:21:00 andy753422 auchter: update your linux headers!
16 01:21:00 tommost auchter: You should probably install the opencv stuff, too. I might mess it up.
16 01:22:00 auchter tommost: eh, just do it anyway
16 01:22:00 auchter freya's hardly a sane machine
16 01:22:00 auchter it's amazing that it's been this stable
16 01:22:00 tommost I don't know how. Is this a gentoo machine or something even more mysterious?
16 01:23:00 auchter crux
16 01:23:00 tommost More mysterious, then.
16 01:23:00 tommost Or not. No package management.
16 01:24:00 tommost sighs
16 01:24:00 tommost Who uses this distro?
16 01:24:00 Morasique tommost: auchter does
16 01:25:00 tommost Morasique: Thank you. Does anyone sane run this distro?
16 01:25:00 Blazeix no
16 01:25:00 tommost Thank you.
16 01:25:00 auchter Blazeix: splitter!
16 01:25:00 Blazeix Long Live Arch!
16 01:25:00 auchter tommost: it has package management, prt-get
16 01:25:00 tommost distrowatch lies, then.
16 01:26:00 Morasique arch is like that distro people liked before they found ubuntu right?
16 01:26:00 auchter arch is like the distro that sucks
16 01:26:00 Blazeix Morasique: I agree wholeheartedly
16 01:26:00 auchter i ran it for four weeks before giving up
16 01:26:00 auchter binary package management == bad
16 01:26:00 tommost What are the odds that OpenCV even has a package?
16 01:26:00 auchter it doesn't
16 01:27:00 tommost Okay, then what is the point of this shitty package management system?
16 01:27:00 Morasique eventually i'm going to switch distros and regret all this. it will be similar to the evolution -> thunderbird thing. or the windows -> linux thing for that matter
16 01:27:00 auchter to manage packages?
16 01:27:00 tommost A package management system without packages is pointless.
16 01:29:00 Morasique i imagine it has two or three
16 01:30:00 auchter $ ls /usr/ports/contrib/ /usr/ports/core/ /usr/ports/opt/ | wc -l
16 01:30:00 auchter 925
16 01:31:00 auchter also, http://crux.nu/portdb/
16 01:31:00 Morasique on a related note, you should break out alias lc="wc -l"
16 01:31:00 auchter no, that'd break plan9port... lc is ls with columns
16 01:33:00 auchter in fact, it is: ls -p "$@" | 9 mc
16 01:34:00 Morasique it's worth it, go for it
16 01:36:00 auchter andy753421: it's not my fault you're running an ancient kernel on my machine
16 01:37:00 andy753421 screw that kernel, we're not using those cameras anymore
16 01:37:00 andy753421 want me to update it, or would you like to?
16 01:39:00 auchter "up 70 days, 3:57"...
16 01:39:00 andy753421 hehe, so not for a while ;)
16 01:40:00 auchter i'll download and extract a new kernel, but i won't build/boot into it until we need it...
16 01:40:00 andy753421 alright
16 01:40:00 auchter actually, 2.6.22.5 is on there
16 01:40:00 auchter that's relatively recent, does it have the changes?
16 01:41:00 andy753421 i don't know
16 01:41:00 andy753421 does crux/arch/whatever's on there put the headers in a separate package like gentoo?
16 01:42:00 auchter i don't use package management for my kernels, i just get sources from kernel.org
16 01:43:00 andy753421 auchter: Ok, I was just wondering because sometimes the headers only (/usr/include/linux) are packaged separate
16 01:44:00 auchter andy753421: i don't think crux even has kernels in the repositories, a cursory search didn't give any results
16 01:45:00 andy753421 alright
16 02:57:00 tommost Egh... < 1 kb/s. I blame the torrenters.
16 02:59:00 Morasique torrenting has been terrible since they pulled the limits, our upload almost hits our download at some points
16 03:00:00 tommost Hmm. Well, it looks like the link isn't even half utilized at the moment. But I'll still blame the torrenters.
16 13:15:00 andy753421 anyone know how to make forwarded messages from Angel newsgroups get threaded correctly?
16 13:22:00 tommost andy753421: A quick check reveals that they don't have any of the proper headers.
16 13:31:00 tommost andy753421: I take it that jwz's algorithm doesn't work properly?
16 13:33:00 andy753421 haven't tried it
16 13:33:00 tommost This is in mutt?
16 13:33:00 andy753421 yep
16 13:34:00 andy753421 well, preferable, maildrop would fix the headers for me
16 13:34:00 tommost It doesn't seem to work as implemented by Thunderbird --- too many duplicate titles, making everything get misthreaded.
16 14:03:00 tommost andy753421: _laser.c compiles for me (albeit with numerous warnings).
16 14:03:00 andy753421 warnings?
16 14:04:00 tommost http://dpaste.com/45275/
16 14:13:00 andy753421 alright, i forgot to turn -Wall on in my mkfile, warnings should be fixed now
16 14:14:00 tommost You're not using the makefile?
16 15:00:00 auchter argh, all campus emails with .docx attachments
16 15:07:00 Mishtal indeed
16 15:08:00 Mishtal microsoft is not a standard
16 15:08:00 auchter indeed, they are a company
16 15:59:00 tommost Wheee... seamless RDP!
16 15:59:00 povilusr_ mmmmmm seams
16 15:59:00 povilusr_ what now beally, huh, what now
16 15:59:00 Zaszamonde ?
16 16:00:00 Zaszamonde you spelled something correctly?
16 16:00:00 Zaszamonde or that you can speak?
16 16:00:00 Zaszamonde errr type
16 16:00:00 povilusr_ no i have mor words than you
16 16:00:00 Zaszamonde i have more correct words
16 16:00:00 TBoneULS more words than all of you
16 16:00:00 Zaszamonde you sort of need a subject in that one baty
16 16:03:00 auchter second day in a row for three people physically located in the same room talking on irc
16 16:03:00 Zaszamonde and i'm in both
16 16:03:00 Zaszamonde hmmm
16 16:32:00 andy753421 tommost: I put a mkfile in the same directory as the _laser.c file. I have just been using that for testing purposes.
16 16:33:00 andy753421 I.e. I can type 'mk test' and it compiles to laser code to a standalone executable and tests it on the sample images using opencv
16 16:33:00 tommost Okay, then.
16 16:37:00 tommost Sooo slooooow...
16 16:37:00 andy753421 what's slow?
16 16:37:00 tommost The InDesign CS installer has been running in my VM for more than half an hour.
16 16:38:00 tommost I suspect that the slowness is because it is running from the Thorn's server.
16 16:47:00 tommost http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
16 16:47:00 tommost I promise that that isn't a Rickroll.
16 16:49:00 povilusr_ you working to indesign topmost?
16 16:49:00 tommost povilusr_: You drunk? What was that?
16 16:49:00 TBoneULS ill translate
16 16:49:00 TBoneULS Are you working for indesign this summer?
16 16:50:00 tommost No. How on earth would I work for a software application?
16 16:50:00 tommost I am not InDesign's bitch.
16 16:50:00 TBoneULS indesign is a company
16 16:50:00 TBoneULS and not a software company
16 16:50:00 TBoneULS oaky, we were just curious
16 16:51:00 tommost Oh. I was referring to Adobe InDesign.
16 16:51:00 TBoneULS okay that makes more sense
16 16:52:00 povilusr_ we were gunna cry if you got a job with them but we dident
16 16:53:00 povilusr_ there an electrical design corp
16 16:54:00 Morasique tommost: we should start adopting the reddit convention of appending narr (not a rick roll) to each link
16 16:55:00 tommost Well, that particular link is far, far worse than a rickroll.
16 16:55:00 ferrelaj-laptop second that
16 16:55:00 tommost I only felt the need to point out that it wasn't a rickroll because it's on YouTube.
16 16:58:00 ferrelaj-laptop After hurrying to the CS lab to TA for 120, 220, 230, 432, I am amused by the fact that everyone here is working on PLC... which I had to stop doing to come here...
16 17:20:00 povilusr_ ferrelaj: ha ha
16 17:34:00 tommost GAAAAAAAHAHHH!!! Damn you for you bloat, InDesign.
16 17:48:00 tommost Oooo... 75%
16 17:48:00 Morasique i'm not sure what you're talking about, but 75% doesn't sound good in any situation
16 17:49:00 tommost InDesign is about 75% installed. This has taken about an hour and a half.
16 17:49:00 Morasique oh, i see. windows program?
16 17:49:00 tommost It's installing under a VM.
16 17:49:00 tommost Yeah.
16 17:51:00 tommost Using Windows in a Qemu VM is *hugely* faster when doing it over RDP instead of using the Qemu graphics emulation, though.
16 17:51:00 tommost Plus, you can do seamless RDP: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeamlessVirtualization>
16 17:52:00 tommost And RDP supports cut-and-paste and sharing the host's filesystem with the VM.
16 17:59:00 tommost Basically, RDP allows the useful features of VMware without the proprietary software.
16 18:00:00 tommost Or the weird ways it messes with your system.
16 18:00:00 Morasique virtualbox has all that i think, that's what i use
16 18:00:00 tommost I can't remember why I never tried virtualbox...
16 18:01:00 Morasique probably because you already have qemu
16 18:01:00 tommost Well, when I say qemu I mean kvm, which uses my CPU's hardware virtualization support.
16 18:02:00 tommost But Wikipedia tells me that VirtualBox supports that as well.
16 18:02:00 tommost Hm..
16 18:07:00 tommost Ah, I see. The free (OSS) version of VirtualBox is more limited than the proprietary one. I don't like that.
16 18:07:00 tommost dances around
16 18:07:00 tommost InDesign is installed!!!
16 18:11:00 tommost Seamless mode keeps segfaulting.
16 18:11:00 tommost sighs
16 18:13:00 Morasique the power of windows: "* tommost dances around" -> "* tommost sighs" in just over 4 minutes
16 18:14:00 Morasique you could go back to the dark ages of non-seamless mode when you use indesign
16 18:35:00 Morasique you have to question the intelligence of a group of people too lazy to run a simple script that will literally tell them if their homework is right or wrong
16 18:35:00 Morasique apologies to anyone in 230 in here. unless you're one of the people that doesn't use the check scripts. then no apology
16 18:36:00 ferrelaj agreed
16 18:44:00 auchter script as in shell? they probably have no idea how to use it. the command line is way too scary of a place
16 18:45:00 Morasique no, they learn how to use it at the beginning of the class
16 18:45:00 Morasique they spend a day learning how to turn stuff in on addiator and how to check it
16 18:45:00 Morasique also, this isn't even a shell script, this particular one was a java class
16 18:45:00 Morasique usually they are scripts though
16 18:48:00 auchter since when does ls not list all capitalized names first?
16 18:49:00 Morasique it never has that i've seen
16 18:50:00 auchter at least i still have the sane plan9port version... it's stupid to not list capital names first.
16 18:50:00 Morasique er. because alphabetical order is for idiots?
16 18:51:00 auchter 'A' < 'a'
16 18:52:00 Morasique i don't know what alphabetical order you're talking about, but A == a
16 18:52:00 Morasique it's not ascii order if that's what you're going for
16 18:53:00 auchter i've never much liked the alphabet
16 18:54:00 Morasique i'm surprised there's no ls switch to do it your crazy plan9 way
16 18:54:00 Morasique brb
16 18:57:00 andy753421 actuall, it depends on your locale
16 19:02:00 Morasique evil fsck and it's 32 mount check
16 19:08:00 andy753421 auchter: you might want to try LC_ALL="POSIX" ls
16 19:08:00 Morasique ooo. nice
16 19:17:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, that fixes it, but also makes LC_ALL posix, which messes up everything that's in utf-8
16 19:17:00 andy753421 auchter: does LC_ALL="POSIX.UTF-8" work?
16 19:19:00 auchter andy753421: nope
16 19:19:00 andy753421 what is it messing up anyway?
16 19:19:00 auchter filenames with non-ascii characters
16 19:22:00 andy753421 well, you can do LC_ALL="" LC_COLLATE="POSIX"
16 19:23:00 auchter ah, a very nice solution
16 19:23:00 andy753421 or you could make your own and use LC_ALL="auchter"
16 19:24:00 Morasique don't give him any more ways to punish himself, he's going to have it ordering by filename length or something
16 19:29:00 auchter alias ls="ls | sort -R --random-source=/dev/random"
16 19:30:00 auchter slower than using /dev/urandom, but i didn't think it was secure enough for me
16 19:30:00 Morasique way to think ahead, the last thing we need is an ls sorted in a predictable way
16 19:42:00 Morasique i should start piping all my stuff into a random sort. just to keep me on my toes. eventually i'll be unable to use alphabetized lists efficiently
16 21:09:00 Morasique the cs department should hire somebody just to keep the svn server up
16 21:09:00 Morasique i'll do it for $1/day, my job will be to run to the server room if the svn server goes down and fix it
16 21:09:00 Morasique actually, i might be willing to do it for free since every class i have depends on it
16 21:14:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
16 21:14:00 Zeta_RHIT I was under the impression that a decent server doesn't do that O.o
16 21:17:00 andy753421 you'd think, my guess is a runaway process and/or memory leak
16 21:18:00 Morasique andy753421: don't you have root on iroquois?
16 21:27:00 andy753421 Morasique: not that I know of? Even if I did, it's not responding to ssh login
16 21:27:00 Morasique oh. i don't know why i thought that
16 21:38:00 rrmm there an astronomy club? i think there is and you have a telescope off site right?
16 21:39:00 rrmm was thinking LUG or a buch of clubs should get together to make a radio telescope or a few and learn about signals and what not
16 21:42:00 Morasique rrmm: there is one, i don't really know anything about it
16 21:43:00 Morasique http://www.rose-hulman.edu/astronomy/home/
16 21:43:00 rrmm the club or the telescope?
16 21:43:00 rrmm and if telescope what kind?
16 21:43:00 Morasique the club. i think i recall mention of a telescope, but i don't know
16 21:44:00 andy753421 haha i like Delvin's e-mail, "svn gets flaky every now and again"
16 21:45:00 Morasique i didn't get it, but yeah, they should look into that instead of acting like it's normal for svn to go down once a week
16 21:46:00 rrmm today in math was trying to think of a new system, like if i should make one or upgrade or wait or what and going through parts we have at home i could use
16 21:46:00 rrmm we have cd drives laying around, a dvd burner, PSU
16 23:32:00 kleinjt Can anyone read the convocation schedule email? I can't get it to open..
16 23:38:00 Zeta_RHIT Period Time 1 8:05 - 8:45 AM 2 8:50 - 9:30 3 9:35 - 10:15 4 10:20 - 11:00 Convo 11:05 - 12:30 5 12:35 - 1:15 PM 6 1:20 - 2:00 7 2:05 - 2:45 8 2:50 - 3:30 9 3:35 - 4:15 10 4:20 - 5:00
16 23:38:00 Zeta_RHIT well that pasted horribly
16 23:38:00 kleinjt awesome, thanks
16 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT 1 8:05 - 8:45 AM
16 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT 2 8:50 - 9:30
16 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT 3 9:35 - 10:15
16 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT 4 10:20 - 11:00
16 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT Convo 11:05 - 12:30
16 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT 5 12:35 - 1:15 PM
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT 6 1:20 - 2:00
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT 7 2:05 - 2:45
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT 8 2:50 - 3:30
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT 9 3:35 - 4:15
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT 10 4:20 - 5:00
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT erm, that's better, I swear O.o
16 23:40:00 auchter i started to compose an email asking that they please refrain from sending out docx, but realized it would probably be taken the wrong way
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT ?
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT how would that be taken the wrong way?
16 23:40:00 Zeta_RHIT just opened the non-docx one in any case
16 23:41:00 auchter i really couldn't get anything that didn't sound like me being an ass
16 23:41:00 Zeta_RHIT ah, well sounds like an ass then :)
16 23:41:00 kleinjt What about image emails?
16 23:41:00 Zeta_RHIT never stops me :)
16 23:42:00 auchter kleinjt: that's a lost battle
16 23:42:00 auchter Zeta_RHIT: but that would hurt the non-docx cause
16 23:42:00 auchter Zeta_RHIT: you get people saying stuff like "we don't like your attitude lately"
16 23:43:00 kleinjt Then have anonymous posters in public places, and informational all campus emails.
16 23:58:00 Morasique i don't understand why they did an attachment at all, they could've just pasted the text into the e-mail. When kleinjt asked I found the e-mail but when I saw it was an attachment I didn't even bother to open it, even though I have openoffice set up to read docx, it's just not worth my time to actually open it
16 23:58:00 Morasique as i say this i'm sensing a mutt pitch from andy about inline attachments
16 23:58:00 Morasique which i'm somewhat jealous of
17 00:01:00 Morasique tommost: you mentioned a few days ago you can only have one tag on an e-mail in thunderbird; it turns out you can have more than one, i just noticed my rules were automatically tagging my e-mails with multiple tags
17 00:02:00 auchter they did send out a plaintext email with the schedule on 2008-04-08
17 00:02:00 Morasique well, that means they sent me the same thing twice, so they haven't exactly redeemed themselves :)
17 00:03:00 kleinjt don't forget the wrong date followup email
17 00:03:00 Morasique i was about to make a joke about how at least they actually got the date right on it, but i'm looking at my inbox and sure enough, they sent out two on the 16th because the first one had the wrong date
17 00:03:00 Morasique kleinjt: damn you
17 00:03:00 auchter oh, you mean the "Convo Scheduleq"
17 00:03:00 Morasique indeed
17 00:03:00 Morasique i'm surprised we didn't get a followup telling us it's actually the "Convo Schedule"
17 00:04:00 auchter from the email: font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
17 00:05:00 Morasique i always want to e-mail them when they mess up the date and ask if they do it on purpose or just have some sort of mental problem that requires them to mess up the date the first time, but then i feel guilty
17 00:05:00 auchter now there's absolutely no excuse for using comic sans.
17 00:05:00 auchter http://bancomicsans.com/home.html
17 00:05:00 Morasique i should just set a rule to auto-reply asking for clarification about which date it is, it still annoys them but i don't feel bad because it sounds genuine
17 00:05:00 Morasique nice
17 00:06:00 auchter i have no sympathy for those that use comic sans
17 00:06:00 Morasique someone should write a virus that removes comic sans from machines
17 00:06:00 Morasique in theory if enough people no longer have it, they have to stop using it
17 00:09:00 Morasique why is all my gmail spam in asian characters, always? i want to know what company is paying a spammer to send me solicitations i not only can't read, i can't even identify what language they're in
17 00:11:00 andy753421 Morasique: same here..
17 00:12:00 tommost Morasique: Yeah, actually, I think that I've noticed that. However, it only displays one (how it picks which one, I don't know) anywhere except the tag checkbox, which makes it pretty useless.
17 00:13:00 tommost Also, I have tags on e-mail that I can't remove, no matter how hard I try.
17 00:15:00 Morasique tommost: that's true. i haven't the faintest idea how it picks which color, but so far it's picking correctly everytime i have multiple tags, so it's possible mind-reading is involved. i assume you tried tag -> remove all tags, that's the only way i know how to do it
17 00:18:00 andy753421 auchter: were you the one looking for batteries for robotics, or was that the hardware people?
17 00:19:00 auchter andy753421: no idea, but i was under the impression that they've already been ordered
17 00:20:00 andy753421 auchter: yea, i ordered them but I just got an e-mail saying that the ones we ordered are currently unavailable
17 00:20:00 auchter ah, well then... i'm assuming it was kleinjt who picked them out
17 00:26:00 auchter 2.6.25 is out
17 00:27:00 tommost auchter: Anything interesting about it?
17 00:27:00 andy753421 auchter: now the real question, are the nvidia drivers still broken
17 00:27:00 kleinjt auchter: what? I didn't pick out batteries
17 00:28:00 Morasique do you subscribe to the kernel.org feed or something? it's been out for like an hour
17 00:28:00 auchter kleinjt: well someone did
17 00:28:00 auchter Morasique: i obsessively refresh kernel.org
17 00:28:00 kleinjt auchter: I don't even know what type was ordered. Last I heard they were NiMH, which I thought was a terrible idea
17 00:28:00 auchter tommost: haven't read the changelog yet
17 00:28:00 auchter andy753421: what was wrong with them?
17 00:29:00 auchter (1.5MB/s from kernel.org... not bad)
17 00:29:00 andy753421 the removed something or another in one of the RC's and it horrible broke the nvidia drivers
17 00:29:00 andy753421 I think they put it back in and were going to give nvidia untill 2.6.26 to fix their issues
17 00:29:00 auchter ah yeah, i think i remember reading about that... i though they said that it's nvidia's problem now
17 00:31:00 Morasique i have a greasemonkey script that turns URLs and e-mail addresses into links on pages if they're not already, and it's desperately trying to linkify the entire changelog and mostly just freezing firefox
17 00:32:00 andy753421 Morasique: I bet sed could do it faster
17 00:32:00 Morasique probably, but i can't integrate sed into my web browser
17 00:32:00 Morasique ...as far as i know
17 00:32:00 auchter just plumb the links like i do
17 00:32:00 Morasique that'll be the day
17 00:32:00 Morasique i could be like rms and just get any webpages i want e-mailed to me
17 00:33:00 auchter ah, time to visit stallman.org again
17 00:37:00 auchter i'm incredibly envious of kernel.org... "we know things were slow but we beat our expected restore date by 3 days (syncing 2.4TB of data across the internet is something we had previously experienced taking a week)"
17 00:39:00 andy753421 I think we should get HP to donate some servers to the LUG
17 00:40:00 andy753421 I want 10TB of disk space..
17 00:40:00 Zaszamonde how do you intend on getting servers from HP?
17 00:42:00 andy753421 I don't, i was just commenting on auchter's comment
17 00:42:00 Zaszamonde ah
17 00:42:00 Zaszamonde well then
17 00:42:00 Zaszamonde nevermind
17 00:42:00 andy753421 apparently HP likes giving kernel.org really nice server
17 00:42:00 shadghost why don't you just look for a old p3 or 4 computer and run it as a server
17 00:43:00 Zaszamonde i think a horse's head in the HP CEO's bed should do the trick
17 00:44:00 andy753421 I think we should just purchase networking supplies with the LUG budget (assuming we get one) and slowly take over the job of IAIT
17 00:44:00 Zaszamonde just scream out leibenstraum and take them over in one move
17 00:44:00 Zaszamonde it should work...right?
17 00:45:00 Morasique i think they'll catch on when everything is working properly
17 00:46:00 Blazeix We should make sure that VPN only works for 32 bit machines
17 00:46:00 Zaszamonde also, we need more Angel stuff
17 00:46:00 andy753421 Zaszamonde: i think you mean /less/
17 00:46:00 Morasique hell no, i love angel
17 00:46:00 andy753421 er, n/m
17 00:46:00 andy753421 i think i completely missed that joke
17 00:46:00 tommost Yeah, and let's save money by downgrading our Internet connection.
17 00:47:00 Morasique frames are coming back in a big way, web 3.4 ftw
17 00:47:00 tommost 45 Mb/s is unnecessary.
17 00:47:00 Morasique i'm going to e-mail angel learning and ask them to add more marquees into angel
17 00:47:00 Morasique perhaps auto-playing background music
17 00:47:00 Zaszamonde gifs man
17 00:47:00 Zaszamonde animated gifs
17 00:47:00 Blazeix we can have the rose school song in midi format
17 00:47:00 Morasique tommost: i need a greasemonkey script that makes all of this happen, spring into action
17 00:48:00 tommost springs
17 00:48:00 tommost hits the ceiling
17 00:48:00 tommost Ouch.
17 00:49:00 Morasique it's a common mistake, one can't be too excited about programming
17 00:50:00 andy753421 hm.. i just noticed something about the IAIT bandwidth policy
17 00:50:00 andy753421 Every student, staff, and faculty member is guaranteed bandwidth however if they do not use up their full amount of allocated bandwidth other users may use it until they choose to do so.
17 00:50:00 andy753421 does that mean that if we all start using the full amount, it will force IAIT to upgrade the connection?
17 00:51:00 Morasique that does seem to be what they're saying
17 00:51:00 Zaszamonde they make the rules up as they go along and hope that the hardware takes care of it
17 00:51:00 Morasique runs to bittorrent
17 00:51:00 andy753421 (my guess is that it will force them to update their bandwidth policy..)
17 00:51:00 tommost starts torrenting Gutsy Gibbon
17 00:52:00 Zaszamonde hmmm, change the policy and do work, or let the students deal with crap connection, what do you think IAIT is more likely to do?
17 00:52:00 tommost Whoever did the banner upgrade is incredibly lazy. They could have at least set up a redirection from banner.rose-hulman.edu to whatever nonsensical new subdomain it is hosted under.
17 00:52:00 Blazeix It appears that everyone except at IAIT has that opinion
17 00:52:00 Morasique i was screaming that at my computer about 4 seconds after i first tried to go to banner
17 00:53:00 Morasique this is the part where i glare at blazeix and demand he fixes it
17 00:53:00 Morasique glares
17 00:53:00 Blazeix fixes it
17 00:53:00 Morasique sweet!
17 00:53:00 Morasique wait....
17 00:53:00 Blazeix I was just waiting for you guys to ask.
17 00:54:00 Morasique you did come through on the whole getting rid of bandwidth restrictions thing, thanks for that
17 00:54:00 Zaszamonde seriously, just remove the limits for the upperclassmen
17 00:54:00 Zaszamonde fuck the froshies and sophomores
17 00:55:00 Zaszamonde hell, lower the underclassmen's
17 00:55:00 Zaszamonde they don't need high-speed
17 00:55:00 tommost A support ticket has been filed.
17 00:55:00 Zaszamonde dialup for them until after sophomore year
17 00:55:00 Morasique zaszamonde: a number of people in here fall in the "froshies and sophomores" category
17 00:55:00 Zaszamonde no WOW=productivity
17 00:55:00 Zaszamonde Morasique:i'm fine with insulting them
17 00:56:00 Zaszamonde they're slowing the tubes!
17 00:56:00 Morasique i think we should do it by window manager. compiz users need the high bandwidth to download fancy graphics and animations, whereas you text people don't need it, so limits for you
17 00:57:00 tommost Morasique: I'm sad to point this out, but if the don't need it they probably don't use it right now. Limiting the low bandwidth people will only piss them off, not solve the problem.
17 00:58:00 tommost Everyone join me in filing support tickets to get rose-hulman.edu redirected to www.rose-hulman.edu!
17 00:59:00 Blazeix rose factorial?
17 00:59:00 Zaszamonde ouch, that hurt
17 00:59:00 Morasique oh, snap! math joke
17 00:59:00 Blazeix doin ma best to keep it real
17 00:59:00 Morasique .......
17 01:00:00 Morasique please don't
17 01:00:00 Zaszamonde the pain keeps coming
17 01:00:00 Blazeix I really should go to bed.
17 01:00:00 Morasique i really should do my homework
17 01:00:00 Blazeix that too.
17 01:00:00 Zaszamonde i should....errr...i have nothing to do
17 01:00:00 tommost Good point. I've just added ! as an excluded punctuation mark to the luglog viewer's linkifier.
17 01:00:00 Zaszamonde damn
17 01:00:00 Morasique somebody besides the three of us should talk so i don't feel stupid
17 01:00:00 Zaszamonde shh
17 01:00:00 Morasique i can't believe they don't redirect rose-hulman.edu, who doesn't do that?
17 01:01:00 Zaszamonde wow, just, wow
17 01:01:00 Blazeix I was recently reading an article where they listed that as a rookie sysadmin mistake.
17 01:01:00 Zaszamonde i never even notice that until now
17 01:01:00 Morasique rookie sysadmins? iait? you take that back
17 01:01:00 Blazeix and they still haven't gotten rid of www.rose-hulman.edu/test
17 01:02:00 Blazeix That's an interesting directory.
17 01:02:00 Blazeix I'm guessing its extra files left over by the website designer.
17 01:03:00 Blazeix it looks like they're IE temp files or something.
17 01:03:00 Morasique i saw "php sources" and got excited, it has pretty much nothing in it
17 01:03:00 Blazeix look at the archive in that folder
17 01:04:00 Blazeix that actually has some good stuff.
17 01:05:00 auchter my guess for the rose-hulman.edu not redirecting (or having a A record to the webserver) is that rose-hulman.edu is the domain controller
17 01:05:00 tommost auchter: I neither know what that means nor care. It does not excuse the stupidity of the current situation.
17 01:06:00 auchter /etc/hosts
17 01:06:00 auchter it is your friend
17 01:07:00 Morasique tell me somebody else in here uses emerald
17 01:07:00 tommost That's a horrible hack.
17 01:07:00 tommost Morasique: That's part of Compiz, right?
17 01:07:00 Morasique i think they can run separately, but maybe
17 01:08:00 Morasique oh, nm, i guess it is compiz
17 01:08:00 Blazeix I think compiz uses some sort of metacity-like decorator by default, but its possible to use emerald instead.
17 01:08:00 Morasique i use emerald, but i can't get any screenshot programs to capture the border of my windows
17 01:08:00 Blazeix not even gimp?
17 01:09:00 Morasique most of them have a switch just for that, but they don't work with emerald
17 01:09:00 Morasique nope
17 01:09:00 Morasique emerald must report something wrong that confuses them
17 01:09:00 Morasique i was hoping there was an option or something to fix it
17 01:09:00 Blazeix an option does exist
17 01:09:00 Blazeix fluxbox
17 01:09:00 Morasique i hate you
17 01:09:00 tommost Even Win-Alt-Drag doesn't work?
17 01:09:00 Morasique some of us like our interfaces to be attractive
17 01:09:00 Morasique i have no idea what that's supposed to do
17 01:10:00 tommost For me it creates screenshots.
17 01:10:00 andy753421 Morasique: it's probably being accelerated somehow and bypassing the normal X11 mechanisms
17 01:11:00 tommost I get my borders: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/super-alt-drag.png
17 01:12:00 Morasique sorry, i have no idea what happened, my machine was incapacitated for about a minute
17 01:12:00 Morasique i'm never doing win+alt+drag again
17 01:12:00 tommost Ouch.
17 01:13:00 Morasique well, and by that i mean i'm trying it again as soon as i switch back to compiz
17 01:13:00 Morasique which i had to kill to fix my computer
17 01:13:00 auchter dwm's never broken my computer
17 01:13:00 Morasique clearly you haven't been win+alt+dragging enough
17 01:13:00 tommost dwm is broken by design.
17 01:13:00 auchter tommost: how so?
17 01:14:00 Morasique ah. i have alt+win+drag bound to the annotate plugin. that explains all the lines all over my screen when i tried it
17 01:16:00 Morasique tommost: the screenshot plugin works, but that doesn't capture by window, it captures by selection, i can do that in any of the other programs too. i'm trying to do a window capture, like alt+prtscrn normally does
17 01:17:00 octavious whats wrong with dwm??
17 01:17:00 octavious tiling is where its at...although i am cuurently experimenting with xmonad
17 01:17:00 auchter octavious: no one has any valid criticism of it, they're just jealous
17 01:17:00 auchter octavious: how do you like xmonad?
17 01:17:00 tommost dwm has no features besides tiling. That's what's wrong with it.
17 01:17:00 Morasique i like tiling, i just like too much stuff in compiz to switch for that one thing
17 01:17:00 Morasique yeah, what he said
17 01:17:00 Morasique :)
17 01:18:00 octavious auchter: there are a TON of plugins to do shit, but you pretty much have to learn haskell to configure it confidently
17 01:18:00 Morasique between the plugins put and maximumize i can pretty much simulate the tiling thing in compiz
17 01:18:00 auchter octavious: yeah, i was just reading over the page and saw that it was in haskell... how's the speed of it compared to dwm?
17 01:18:00 octavious there are compositing plugins for xmonad that are pretty neat looking
17 01:19:00 octavious no noticable difference
17 01:19:00 Morasique fire text? that's obviously the critical feature
17 01:19:00 octavious it doesnt implement the dwm status bar
17 01:19:00 auchter dzen works well enough for that
17 01:19:00 octavious yeah, and there are wm hooks that pipe control info to dzen
17 01:20:00 octavious to simulate the dwm status bar if you want
17 01:20:00 auchter hm, that sounds interesting. i might have to try it out
17 01:21:00 octavious haskell seems to be a pretty interesting language
17 01:21:00 Blazeix I'm cursing at it right now, believe it or not
17 01:22:00 octavious from what i have read. there are a ton of reddit users that are big fans
17 01:22:00 Blazeix we're doing learning it in PLP
17 01:22:00 Morasique wow. you fail
17 01:22:00 Blazeix take out that second word
17 01:22:00 Morasique or the third. it's a choose your own sentence
17 01:23:00 Morasique i should start doing that from now on. i find that {compiz|xmonad|fluxbox} is the best
17 01:23:00 Blazeix I basically shouldn't type anything after 1 AM
17 01:23:00 Morasique now everyone likes me
17 01:23:00 Blazeix except the kde people
17 01:23:00 Blazeix although I guess that's more of a DE than a WM
17 01:23:00 Morasique and kde is {bad|terrible|suicide-inducing}
17 01:26:00 tommost octavious, I blame you for the hurting of my brain. I look up xmonad on Wikipedia, click on an innocuous link, and get this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipper_(data_structure)
17 01:27:00 Morasique speaking of a failure to link correctly, apparently xchat doesn't feel underscores can be in urls
17 01:29:00 auchter "Let us define the derivative here as we define it for polynomials over a ring!" someone was a bit excited when they wrote that page...
17 01:29:00 tommost Morasique: Why do you use xchat?
17 01:29:00 Morasique tommost: because it has an x in the name, which means it's badass
17 01:29:00 Morasique xmonad being an obvious exception
17 01:29:00 auchter Morasique: never heard of BitchX?
17 01:29:00 Morasique no, actually
17 01:29:00 auchter oh. well then.
17 01:30:00 Morasique tommost: also, because i was having problems with pidgin's irc, and i tried other clients and liked xchat the most, it has a python interface for scripting that i like
17 01:30:00 Blazeix I used bitchx for a while before I used pidgin
17 01:30:00 Morasique i would feel violent everytime i opened it
17 01:30:00 octavious irssi? i feel like it was not represented here...
17 01:30:00 Morasique i would not be able to use irc in church
17 01:30:00 auchter i use irssi
17 01:31:00 Morasique and just like that i've decided it's bad
17 01:31:00 Morasique :)
17 01:31:00 auchter but he wanted a client with an "x" in the name, so i felt obliged to offer a suggestion
17 01:31:00 tommost I thought only old farts used irssi?
17 01:31:00 octavious ah.
17 01:31:00 tommost *.
17 01:31:00 Morasique ooo. "the client of the future"
17 01:32:00 Morasique this looks exactly like how i expected after auchter said he uses it
17 01:32:00 Blazeix Has anyone ever used bsflite?
17 01:32:00 Blazeix http://bsflite.sourceforge.net/
17 01:32:00 Blazeix command line AIM
17 01:32:00 auchter can anyone explain to me the logic in using a gui client like pidgin or xchat for text (irc)?
17 01:32:00 tommost I can click on links.
17 01:33:00 auchter Blazeix: the fact that it runs on plan9 makes me happy...
17 01:33:00 tommost Also, variable-width fonts.
17 01:33:00 auchter Blazeix: but i personally use pork (dev.ojnk.net)
17 01:33:00 auchter tommost: rxvt-unicode
17 01:35:00 tommost auchter: Wheee. Embedded Perl.
17 01:35:00 auchter yet another reason to love it
17 01:36:00 tommost s/love/ignore/
17 01:36:00 auchter tommost: it solves the two complaints you had about text based clients
17 01:36:00 Blazeix auchter: I use pidgin because its one program for a ton of protocols.
17 01:36:00 tommost Same here.
17 01:36:00 Blazeix contrary to the unix way, but it is nice.
17 01:37:00 tommost auchter: Can rxvt-unicode display inline images? Because Pidgin can.
17 01:37:00 Morasique that last part wasn't really necessary, the smugness was coming across fine
17 01:37:00 auchter probably. http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~hsaka/w3m/mapion.png
17 01:37:00 auchter (that's running in a terminal emulator)
17 01:38:00 andy753421 tommost: yes
17 01:38:00 tommost Morasique: You speak to Blazeix, I expect?
17 01:38:00 Morasique no, you
17 01:38:00 Morasique the "because pidgin can" was like an extra jab to make sure we were clear what you were saying: rxvt-unicode fails
17 01:39:00 tommost Okay. I admit it.
17 01:42:00 tommost w3m doesn't display images for me. Do I need to install something special for it to work?
17 01:42:00 andy753421 tommost: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/urxvt.png
17 01:43:00 tommost I need to use a specific terminal program?
17 01:43:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/images/2008-04-17-054246_1920x1200_scrot.png
17 01:43:00 auchter alternatively, ubuntu's package management fails
17 01:45:00 auchter andy753421: so, the question now becomes: has anyone extracted the image displaying code from w3m...
17 01:45:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/failure.png
17 01:45:00 tommost Running on two different machines.
17 01:45:00 Morasique ooo, scrot. i just tried that like an hour ago
17 01:46:00 tommost Did it work for you?
17 01:46:00 Morasique it's just a screen capturing program
17 01:46:00 Morasique i tried it to see if it had the same no-frames problem i have with all the others, which it does. it's clearly emerald's fault
17 01:46:00 tommost Oh, I misunderstood you.
17 01:47:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/images/2008-04-17-054635_1920x1200_scrot.png
17 01:47:00 tommost No alpha PNGs? Failure.
17 01:48:00 Morasique i'm hating auchter's irc client less and less for some reason
17 01:48:00 tommost Not that that would matter for IRC, where it's mainly JPEGs.
17 01:48:00 Morasique i suspect there's some sort of subliminal pattern in his screenshots that's convincing me
17 01:48:00 tommost It is very compact.
17 01:49:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, compare mine to tom's screen shot. it took me 45s to determine what i was even looking at.
17 01:49:00 Morasique ouch
17 01:49:00 Morasique the gnome panel on the left makes me die inside
17 01:49:00 tommost I feel no pain.
17 01:49:00 Morasique you're probably just used to it, try putting it on the top and see if you suddenly feel cheerful inside
17 01:50:00 tommost I had it on the top for a long time. It was a waste of space.
17 01:51:00 auchter also, for those not using dwm/wmii/xmonad: once you use a wm with tags, you'll never go back to using virtual desktops
17 01:51:00 Blazeix andy753421: how did you get images to display in urxvt?
17 01:51:00 Morasique tags?
17 01:51:00 auchter yes, those numbers at the top of my screen are tags for windows that i have open
17 01:52:00 auchter you can apply multiple tags to windows
17 01:52:00 auchter that was phrased completely wrong
17 01:52:00 Morasique so some hotkey using those switches to that window?
17 01:52:00 andy753421 Blazeix: i don't know how w3m does it
17 01:52:00 Morasique like alt+1 or something?
17 01:52:00 auchter yes, alt-# to view a single tag
17 01:53:00 Morasique that is surprisingly awesome
17 01:53:00 auchter ctrl-alt-# to add that tag to your current view
17 01:53:00 auchter alt-shift-# to change the tag of that window
17 01:53:00 Morasique i've always wanted that exact thing. damn you, i refuse to switch. although now there are two useful features
17 01:53:00 Morasique somebody should make a compiz plugin for that
17 01:53:00 auchter alt-tab switches between the past two tag views
17 01:53:00 Morasique my answer to all non-compiz handy features is "somebody should make a compiz plugin for that"
17 01:54:00 auchter so, for example, my irc/aim/etc. window is on tag-1, and normally i'm taking notes in class on tag-2
17 01:54:00 Morasique good to see your priorities are straight
17 01:54:00 auchter so one view is tag-2, and the other view is both tags 1 and 2, and i use alt-tab to switch between them
17 01:54:00 Morasique so one view shows both windows and one shows just the notes?
17 01:55:00 auchter oh also: regular expressions for automatically applying tags to windows
17 01:55:00 auchter Morasique: yes
17 01:55:00 Morasique that's neat
17 01:55:00 auchter so i run firefox, and it always goes to tag 9, &c.
17 01:56:00 Morasique what are the non-number ones?
17 01:56:00 auchter 7 = cal, 8 = mail, 9 = www, you can just change the display names
17 01:56:00 Morasique oh, ok
17 02:01:00 auchter one of the things i need to get around to adding to dwm yet is this:
17 02:02:00 auchter a doubly linked list of tag views. you have a key to insert the current view, a key to delete the current view, and a key to cycle through the views back and forth
17 02:20:00 tommost Hmm... I have a problem.
17 02:20:00 Morasique agreed
17 02:20:00 Morasique but elaborate
17 02:20:00 tommost There does not seem to be any way to shut Windows down when run in Qemu with the -nographic option.
17 02:20:00 andy753421 tommost: Ctrl-C
17 02:21:00 tommost andy753421: Actually, I'll have to kill it. I launched it from a desktop icon.
17 02:22:00 tommost Wait--- I know: shutdown.exe.
17 02:23:00 Morasique oh yeah. that probably should've occurred to me, that's how i always shut windows down
17 02:24:00 tommost Morasique: Are you serious?
17 02:24:00 Morasique yeah
17 02:24:00 Morasique shutdown -f -s -t 0 ftw
17 02:25:00 tommost Strangely, shutting down my VM has caused CPU usage to climb.
17 02:25:00 Morasique you've discovered a program that uses negative cycles
17 02:33:00 Morasique i just found a review of thunderbird done by fox news. why is fox news reviewing thunderbird?
17 02:34:00 tommost Because they don't believe in covering real news?
17 02:34:00 Morasique hmm. good point
17 02:35:00 tommost Did they decide that Thunderbird is communist because it is open source?
17 02:36:00 Morasique i didn't actually read it, i was trying to find out how to choose which color a multi-tagged e-mail is
17 02:36:00 Morasique i found a couple of places that said you can't, sadly
17 02:37:00 tommost That doesn't surprise me. I bet they just stuck it on when they renamed labels tags.
17 02:41:00 Morasique i wish they let you set more than the color, outlook let you set everything, fonts and all that
17 02:41:00 Morasique at least background color, half the colors are useless because they can't be seen on a white background
17 02:42:00 tommost Yeah. They should just have a real color selector.
17 02:42:00 tommost It's stupid crap like this that drove me away from Thunderbird for a while.
17 02:42:00 tommost Unfortunately, Evolution is even crappier.
17 03:11:00 TBoneULS we really need to summarize this
17 03:11:00 TBoneULS i left for like 3 hours, and theres just no way im reading all this shit
17 03:26:00 Morasique i don't really remember what happened, it was all kind of a blur :)
17 03:26:00 Morasique the moral here is to never leave your computer
17 03:27:00 Morasique ever
17 04:16:00 ferrelaj Morasique: It is more than possible to make Compiz behave like Auchter's tabs. Currently, my laptop behaves exactly like that, running Ubuntu 7.1, with Compiz
17 04:17:00 Morasique how can something be more than possible?
17 04:17:00 Morasique how did you do it?
17 04:44:00 Morasique well, i have conquered my plp homework, so i'm going to sleep. let me know how to auchter-fy my interface at some point
17 09:01:00 tommost Morasique: Did you grade WA 7 for 230?
17 09:12:00 Morasique tommost: just threadedbinarytree
17 09:14:00 tommost Okay, thanks.
17 09:16:00 auchter ah, i remember that assignment
17 09:16:00 tommost auchter: Pain?
17 09:16:00 auchter the written part, yeah, since i didn't start it until around midnight the night before it was due
17 09:16:00 auchter the threaded binary trees program was easy
17 09:16:00 tommost shakes his head
17 09:17:00 tommost Did you get any sleep that night?
17 09:17:00 auchter i think i turned in the assignment at around 4:30
17 09:17:00 tommost Ouch.
17 09:19:00 auchter i remember that because my car's thermometer was showing -3 degrees F when i was driving it over...
17 09:39:00 Morasique andy753421: you know we're on convo scheduling?
17 11:12:00 tommost TBoneULS: In summary: I moaned about how InDesign is crappy, but Qemu + RDP is awesome, except it causes segfaults, so not so awesome. Auchter is revealed to think that Z should be ordered before a. rr72 shows up asking about the astronomy club; no-one knows anything about it. The stupid convo schedule docx is moaned about (for format and formatting). Morasique discovers that Thunderbird does indeed support multiple tags, except not really. The roboti
17 11:13:00 tommost Not necessarily in that order.
17 11:14:00 tommost Ooops. Got cropped.
17 11:14:00 tommost The robotics team's battery order appears to be mixed up. Auchter is excited by the new kernel release. Love for Angel and 32-bit only VPNs is confessed. Several support tickets are filed. Emerald gives Morasique mysterious problems related to screenshots under Compiz.
17 11:14:00 tommost This results in a resurgence of the wm feud; I blindly defend Compiz while auchter scores good points for dwm and octavious points out that xmonad is precisely as cool and as painful as Haskell. The mysteries of rendering images in terminals are discussed in the context of IM programs.
17 11:15:00 povilusr_ 32 vpns SUCK ASS
17 11:20:00 Morasique tommost: logview should have an auto-summarizer
17 11:21:00 tommost logview should have lots of things. Unfortunately, some people don't seem to want them to happen. Instead they direct me to implement features one way and then change their mind.
17 11:22:00 tommost In an unrelated note: OpenAFS is *way* faster than sshfs. Like, orders of magnitude faster.
17 11:22:00 Morasique well, it's a good thing you left that nameless to avoid confrontation
17 11:22:00 tommost Morasique: Passive-aggressive tactics will get me everywhere.
17 11:25:00 tommost (With the OpenAFS thing I'm talking about > 8,000 stat operations and some small file transfers.)
17 11:37:00 tommost Correction: The 8,000+ stat operations take 6.2 seconds without the file transfers.
17 11:42:00 auchter https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439858
17 11:42:00 auchter followed by: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439858#c32
17 11:43:00 tommost Lots of flash videos just show as gray boxes for me after Firefox has been running for a while.
17 11:43:00 tommost I downloaded a new flash player less than an hour ago, though, so that may have changed.
17 11:43:00 Morasique best answer ever
17 11:53:00 tommost Compiz need support for mouse chording.
17 11:53:00 auchter plan9 does mouse chording
17 11:53:00 tommost I don't want to have to use my keyboard to switch between windows when my hand is already on my mouse.
17 11:53:00 tommost auchter: Does plan9 support my Bluetooth mouse?
17 11:54:00 auchter nope, definitely not
17 11:54:00 tommost Egh. Support through drawterm is good enough.
17 11:54:00 tommost Does it do anything with the additional buttons?
17 11:54:00 Morasique auchter: does plan9 support my need for desktop cubes and fire-related animations?
17 11:56:00 tommost Desktop cubes are silly.
17 11:57:00 auchter tommost: i don't think it supports more than 3 buttons, judging by mouse(3)
17 11:57:00 tommost That is a flaw that must be rectified.
17 11:57:00 auchter /sys/src/9/port/devmouse.c
17 11:57:00 tommost (By someone who knows what they're doing.)
17 11:58:00 auchter haha, you should join #plan9 and tell them how wrong they are for only supporting 3 buttons. i'm sure the result would be entertaining
17 11:59:00 auchter haha, this should be good.
17 12:00:00 auchter well, that went better than i had expected
17 12:01:00 tommost I was expecting immediate evisceration.
17 12:01:00 tommost brb
17 12:17:00 Morasique tommost: you take back that desktop cube lie
17 12:20:00 tommost Morasique: Never.
17 12:22:00 Morasique i suspect the desktop cube is the #1 reason to switch to linux for an alarming number of people
17 12:23:00 tommost 'tis a strange world indeed.
17 12:23:00 Morasique i'm considering getting rid of it, i want more than 4 viewports but i don't like the non-cube shaped ones, they look weird
17 12:23:00 tommost That's why I use desktop wall.
17 12:23:00 tommost I have 8 viewports.
17 12:23:00 Morasique well go ahead and rub it in
17 12:24:00 auchter since when do cubes have four sides?
17 12:24:00 Morasique you don't put things on the top and bottom
17 12:24:00 auchter makes perfect sense!
17 12:25:00 Morasique well, you're supposed to be able to rotate left and right to switch viewports, so the top and bottom don't really fit in there
17 12:25:00 Morasique you can put entertaining pictures there though
17 12:25:00 Morasique for example: http://137.112.138.221/rainbow.png
17 12:26:00 Morasique and for contrast, my other cap: http://137.112.138.221/st.png
17 12:27:00 auchter wow, i'm scared
17 12:27:00 Morasique i get that a lot. the question is which one scares you more. i'm doing a study
17 12:27:00 Morasique :)
17 12:28:00 auchter i think the juxtaposition of the two is the most disturbing
17 12:30:00 octavious hmm. new kernel's cifs driver supports dfs
17 12:31:00 octavious just reading through the changelog
17 12:31:00 octavious http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_25
17 12:35:00 tommost ferrelaj-laptop: That should be ferrelaj_laptop, for logview compatibility.
17 12:36:00 ferrelaj-laptop roger that
17 12:36:00 ferrelaj_laptop better?
17 12:36:00 tommost Yes. Thank you.
17 12:37:00 ferrelaj_laptop np
17 12:37:00 Morasique i think logview should analyze our speaking patterns to try and determine who we are regardless of username
17 12:37:00 auchter i concur
17 12:38:00 ferrelaj_laptop agreed
17 12:38:00 tommost I am not opposed.
17 12:38:00 ferrelaj_laptop for me the pattern would be: "Doesn't talk more than twice a day"
17 12:38:00 ferrelaj_laptop (with rollover-talks)
17 12:38:00 tommost However, working conditions would have to improve for me to do anything like that.
17 12:38:00 tommost As would my math skills.
17 12:40:00 auchter octavious: i see the changelog, but i was under the impression that dfs support has been in cifs for a while now...
17 12:42:00 ferrelaj_laptop Morasique: If you storm into my econ class right now, I'll show you how to make compiz behave like auchter
17 12:42:00 ferrelaj_laptop with eye-candy
17 12:42:00 Morasique that sounds suspiciously like me getting up from my desk
17 12:43:00 Morasique if it's complicated i'll bother you at the lug meeting about it
17 12:43:00 tommost I smell a presentation!
17 12:43:00 ferrelaj_laptop LOL, I don't
17 12:43:00 auchter i don't believe that you can have tags in compiz.
17 12:43:00 Morasique :D "how to make your window manager fast without making it ugly"
17 12:43:00 ferrelaj_laptop actually, it's pretty simple, I just wanted you to storm into my econ class
17 12:44:00 Morasique :D nothing like me kicking in the door and yelling "i need tony, we have a compiz emergency" to stir things up
17 12:44:00 auchter i still don't believe you. i've seen your compiz setup, you're definitely using virtual desktops
17 12:44:00 ferrelaj_laptop no, it's not exactly like tags, because it doesn't tile automatically.
17 12:44:00 auchter hm? tags and tiling don't have anything to do with each other...
17 12:45:00 Morasique all i want is the ability to bind a key to an open window so hitting that key will switch to that window, that's my goal
17 12:45:00 ferrelaj_laptop hmm, well. That's not exactly what mine does
17 12:45:00 ferrelaj_laptop :: shrug ::
17 12:45:00 ferrelaj_laptop Tho the way I use it, it has that net effect
17 12:46:00 auchter yup, you see, compiz is not nearly as cool as dwm
17 12:47:00 ferrelaj_laptop until you realize it has eye-candy. And until you realize dwm sucks (to take Morasique's pov)
17 12:48:00 Morasique eye candy! if my window manager isn't seducing me it's doing something wrong
17 12:48:00 tommost I myself am watching parti with fervent anticipation.
17 12:49:00 auchter Morasique: if a window manager is seducing you, *you* are doing something wrong
17 12:49:00 Morasique well yeah, you'd feel that way, you're using dwm. you need to find a hot girl.....er. window manager
17 12:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop he could use both.
17 12:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop tho, I don't think I can see auchter with a girl
17 12:50:00 auchter at least i'm not the one lusting over firetext
17 12:50:00 ferrelaj_laptop unless he was confused
17 12:51:00 Morasique fire text is hot. sorry, i had to
17 12:51:00 auchter that was the worst pun i've seen today
17 12:51:00 ferrelaj_laptop auchter: stick around, the way things have been going, it's bound to get better
17 13:14:00 Morasique today's article on ubuntu unleashed is how to upgrade to hardy heron
17 13:14:00 Morasique it's literally 5 steps that boil down to "run the update manager"
17 13:14:00 ferrelaj_laptop haha
17 13:42:00 Morasique is there a way to get the window ID of the currently focused window? like the output of xwininfo, but without needing to click the current window
17 13:55:00 TBoneULS tommost: thanks for the summary
17 13:56:00 TBoneULS also, i finally got a response to my why is banner not redirected ticket from like a week ago
17 13:56:00 TBoneULS basically, they're dumb
17 13:56:00 TBoneULS and don't think its a good idea
17 13:56:00 TBoneULS they mumbled something about using port 443
17 13:58:00 Morasique they mumbled via e-mail? tell them to shut up and do it
17 13:58:00 andy753421 TBoneULS: I would like to see that response
17 14:03:00 TBoneULS ill dig it up, hold on
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS This was considered. However, the previous configuration hosted multiple
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS services under the "Banner" host name. These services have been divided
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS amount multiple servers to 1) allow all of them to use the standard
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS HTTPS port (443), 2) provide better availability and performance, and 3)
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS make it obvious to users that old links and URLs are no longer valid.
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS Since there are now three servers providing the functionality that was
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS previously provided by a single server (banner) the decision was made
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS that reusing the host name banner would be more confusing to campus
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS users than having to use new names for all the servers.
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS The previous platforms will remain in their current state for several
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS weeks in the event they, or the data they store, might still be needed.
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS For these reasons there are no plans to continue using the banner host
17 14:06:00 TBoneULS name or provide redirects for the existing server.
17 14:07:00 TBoneULS because everyone knows prodbss and prodweb are easier to remember than banner
17 14:07:00 povilusr_ what is this?
17 14:07:00 TBoneULS why iait won't redirect banner to something useful
17 14:09:00 andy753421 so the port 443 makes sense, however, the reason for redirects is stupid..
17 14:09:00 TBoneULS ya no shit
17 14:09:00 TBoneULS i dont know why that matters so much tough, i just remembered banner didnt use 443
17 14:11:00 ferrelaj All I know is that I think I'm not getting paid as much as I Should, because I can never find banner to enter my hours
17 14:11:00 TBoneULS i believe the 3 options are local, prodbss, and prodweb
17 14:12:00 TBoneULS the "old" banner
17 14:12:00 povilusr_ baty, you have the boards yes?
17 14:12:00 TBoneULS is on prodbss
17 14:12:00 TBoneULS ya
17 14:13:00 TBoneULS so i just skimmed the logs to see something about auchter with a girl
17 14:14:00 povilusr_ ?
17 14:14:00 Morasique that was in passing, we were mostly focused on our sexy window managers
17 14:14:00 Morasique well. my sexy window manager, and auchter's ugly one
17 14:14:00 TBoneULS ah
17 14:15:00 TBoneULS so where is this thing that counts how much you've said in here?
17 14:19:00 Morasique at the bottom of logview
17 14:19:00 Morasique http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-04.log
17 14:27:00 Morasique there has to be a way to set the focused window from the command line, but i can't find it anywhere
17 15:01:00 tommost I got back the same response from IAIT on my banner.rose-hulman.edu ticket.
17 15:07:00 tommost I also got a response on my ticket to redirect rose-hulman.edu to www.rose-hulman.edu. They said that they are the Microsoft Windows domain controllers, and thus can't run the web server necessary for redirection.
17 15:07:00 tommost So it boils down to two things:
17 15:07:00 tommost 1) Microsoft is stupid
17 15:08:00 tommost 2) IAIT is too incompetent to forward HTTP requests to a different server
17 15:10:00 tommost I did get a positive response on my "WTF is this test directory" ticket.
17 15:14:00 povilusr_ when i lug tonite?
17 15:14:00 povilusr_ 5:00 or 5:15?
17 15:14:00 povilusr_ is
17 15:14:00 tommost povilusr_: I need Ethernet cabling tonight. For my Sun Rays.
17 15:14:00 ferrelaj (07:17:16 PM) #rhlug: The topic for #rhlug is: Welcome to #rhlug | Official IRC channel of the Rose-Hulman Users of Linux! | Meetings Every Thurs, 5:15 in the CS Lab! |
17 15:15:00 andy753421 povilusr_: i need some ends..
17 15:18:00 povilusr_ ferrelaj: thank you but its convo sehedule
17 15:18:00 povilusr_ and ends require asking zeta to find them and bring them
17 15:18:00 ferrelaj povilusr_: Don't tell me the LUG has fallen for that crap too
17 15:19:00 andy753421 Zeta_RHIT: find them and bring them
17 15:19:00 andy753421 povilusr_: i expect ends
17 15:19:00 povilusr_ the reason for 5:15 is it 5 min after class, class ends at 5:00 today
17 15:19:00 povilusr_ you need a crimp tool andy?
17 15:19:00 andy753421 povilusr_: nope
17 15:19:00 povilusr_ kk
17 15:20:00 povilusr_ http://www.jibble.org/piespy/
17 15:20:00 povilusr_ we should run this
17 15:20:00 povilusr_ and by we, i mean someone is less lazy than me
17 15:21:00 andy753421 povilusr_: i'm not liking it... it's written in java
17 15:21:00 tommost Ditto.
17 15:22:00 andy753421 maybe i can statically compile it with gcj..
17 15:22:00 tommost Is your server free of the JVM, then?
17 15:22:00 andy753421 yea
17 15:22:00 tommost I have slightly more respect for it, then.
17 15:24:00 tommost Kernel release notes: cdrom: Add support for Sega Dreamcast GD-ROM.
17 15:31:00 povilusr_ is it server size?
17 15:31:00 povilusr_ zide*
17 15:31:00 povilusr_ side*
17 15:31:00 povilusr_ i thought it was client side
17 15:40:00 povilusr_ local.rose makes me cry
17 15:40:00 tommost povilusr_: Aye.
17 15:41:00 povilusr_ i can unsubscribe from all campus
17 15:41:00 povilusr_ w007
17 15:42:00 tommost I just filed a ticket about the http error page it produces.
17 15:42:00 povilusr_ damn there are alot of me
17 15:42:00 povilusr_ im tempted to file a complain the certificates aren signed
17 15:42:00 tommost Hadn't you noticed?
17 15:43:00 povilusr_ no id noticed i just rememberd and realised i hated them
17 15:43:00 tommost Make sure that they aren't signed by the R-H root cert first, though.
17 15:44:00 povilusr_ no they are
17 15:44:00 povilusr_ but thats just dumb
17 15:44:00 povilusr_ theres a reason verisign is trusted, also why it exsists
17 15:44:00 tommost Then you probably shouldn't complain about them.
17 15:44:00 tommost Yeah, complain about the root certificate.
17 15:44:00 povilusr_ yeah
17 15:44:00 povilusr_ and im a stupid user i dont know about certificates
17 15:44:00 povilusr_ i swear
17 15:45:00 auchter povilusr_: you should start using pidgin. i hear it has spell check built in
17 15:45:00 Morasique there's only so much spell check can do, you have to give it something to work with
17 15:45:00 tommost They really should at least get a real certificate for the web server --- Firefox 3 is really draconian about untrusted certificates.
17 15:45:00 Morasique IE flips out too i thought, which you'd think they'd care about more
17 15:47:00 auchter Morasique: mosaic.
17 15:47:00 tommost povilusr_: There's also a very nice text replacement plugin for Pidgin. It corrects lots of spelling errors automatically. Plus you can configure it to replace ? ! -> ‽
17 15:52:00 povilusr_ meh
17 15:52:00 povilusr_ efforts
17 15:52:00 povilusr_ are bad
17 15:52:00 povilusr_ signing is what 20$ a year
17 15:53:00 tommost I think that it's more than that, actually. Especially if you're getting a CA cert signed.
17 15:54:00 povilusr_ sooo like 100$ or 2/3 or 1 students quartely fee
17 15:55:00 tommost povilusr_: I don't think it matters in any case. It looks damn unprofessional to have an unsigned certificate on rose-hulman.edu.
17 15:55:00 povilusr_ yeha
17 15:57:00 povilusr_ also the fact that www.rose-hulman.edu dosent work
17 15:58:00 tommost Huh? If you're complaining about the ridiculous number of flash movies on that page I agree, but I can access it just fine.
17 15:58:00 povilusr_ rather
17 15:58:00 povilusr_ rose-hulman.edu not working
17 15:58:00 povilusr_ as in not redirected to www.
17 15:59:00 tommost Oh, yeah. That. They responded to my ticket on that today.
17 15:59:00 Morasique yeah, we complained about that for some time yesterday
17 15:59:00 povilusr_ what sis they say?
17 15:59:00 Morasique no doubt "we have solved your issue: deal with it"
17 15:59:00 tommost Check the log; I summarized it earlier.
17 15:59:00 povilusr_ probably
17 15:59:00 povilusr_ damnit
17 15:59:00 povilusr_ ok
17 16:00:00 povilusr_ time aproimate
17 16:00:00 povilusr_ ?
17 16:00:00 tommost Right before you got here.
17 16:00:00 povilusr_ there should be HUGE BARS on the log at each day
17 16:00:00 povilusr_ and smaller bars at each our
17 16:00:00 povilusr_ and tiny bars at each minite
17 16:00:00 povilusr_ hour*
17 16:01:00 tommost I want to put in divider lines whenever someone doesn't speak for a while, and make date handling more intelligent.
17 16:01:00 tommost I just haven't gotten to it.
17 16:01:00 povilusr_ that would work
17 16:01:00 povilusr_ steal xchats code
17 16:01:00 Morasique i hate that in clients, it drives me crazy
17 16:02:00 tommost povilusr_: Around here: <http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-04.log#line-3329>
17 16:02:00 povilusr_ found it thanx
17 16:05:00 Morasique oh, i didn't know there were anchors in it, that's handy
17 16:05:00 tommost Yeah. I'm going to add a way for you to easily pick out the anchors.
17 16:05:00 povilusr_ http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rose-hulman.edu
17 16:06:00 povilusr_ rose-hulman.edu dosent work
17 16:07:00 auchter netcraft confirms it, bsd is dying
17 16:08:00 TBoneULS so i sumbitted another ticket on why www. doesn't work
17 16:08:00 auchter my site shows an interesting progression on netcraft: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=phire.org
17 16:09:00 TBoneULS its really dumb, if i were a prospective student, i would be really confused and think theyre dumb
17 16:13:00 tommost Does anyone know of software that would allow me to extract images from a PDF? Without screenshotting or converting the whole PDF, I mean.
17 16:13:00 tommost I know that they're in there, just floating around.
17 16:13:00 tommost It should be possible to extract them.
17 16:14:00 Morasique pdftk might be able to, i've never actually used it for that though
17 16:14:00 Morasique anytime i want to do something with a pdf it can do it though
17 16:15:00 Morasique tboneuls: you thought would be correct
17 16:15:00 Morasique s/you/your
17 16:21:00 tommost Morasique: This is exactly what I wanted. Thanks.
17 16:21:00 TBoneULS ya
17 16:21:00 TBoneULS they responded
17 16:21:00 TBoneULS i can paste it in here if it's different from what other people have gottne
17 16:22:00 TBoneULS im respsonding saying its really dumb and tarnishes our images, esp. since we are a techinical school, and a fair number of prospective students probably thing we can't handle a webserver
17 16:23:00 tommost Put it on dpaste.com and link to it.
17 16:25:00 TBoneULS okay
17 16:25:00 TBoneULS ill paste in what they said, and my response
17 16:27:00 TBoneULS http://dpaste.com/45584/
17 16:27:00 TBoneULS it seems to have shoved it all on one line
17 16:27:00 TBoneULS at least for me
17 16:27:00 Morasique don't A records have a port associated with them?
17 16:27:00 Morasique or don't they, i don't really remember
17 16:27:00 tommost Morasique: No.
17 16:28:00 Morasique ah. well, that makes sense then i suppose
17 16:28:00 TBoneULS theres no way i know of to do it with DNS if those are the domain controllers
17 16:28:00 Morasique if they'd thought ahead maybe they shouldn't have made that change in the first place, but it's too late now
17 16:29:00 tommost Yeah, dpaste is for code.
17 16:30:00 TBoneULS the simplest (but not most ideal) method would be to install IIS, and host 1 page that redirects to the right page
17 16:31:00 tommost They should be able to redirect HTTP requests to a separate server at the router level, I believe.
17 16:31:00 tommost TBoneULS: You wouldn't even need a page... redirection is done with HTTP headers.
17 16:32:00 Morasique installing a whole web server seems dumb, i'm sure there's something that could just sit on the port and respond with moved permanently headers constantly
17 16:33:00 tommost They could just use a lightweight server like lighttpd.
17 16:33:00 TBoneULS i've only done simiple redirects
17 16:33:00 TBoneULS and im sure they could do it a better way
17 16:33:00 TBoneULS but i thought of that in like 5 seconds, and it would take about 30 seconds a server to implement
17 16:33:00 TBoneULS ant it would work
17 16:33:00 TBoneULS so i dont know why they dont do something
17 16:34:00 TBoneULS i would also use a more lightweight server, but IIS would be insanely easy to install, even for them
17 16:36:00 Morasique without testing it, i think something like echo -e "HTTP/1.1 301 Moved PermanentlynLocation: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/" | netcat -l -p 80 would work
17 16:36:00 tommost Morasique: That's horrible.
17 16:36:00 Morasique i'm a fan
17 16:36:00 Morasique what's wrong with it, it just responds to port 80 requests with a 301 header
17 16:36:00 Morasique i think. i've never actually used netcat
17 16:37:00 tommost I think that you need to wait for the client to send its request.
17 16:37:00 TBoneULS you're forgetting these are the domain servers -they're running windows
17 16:37:00 Morasique well, i know, i'm just saying, there has to be something approximately as simple on windows somehow
17 16:37:00 TBoneULS i doubt it
17 16:37:00 Morasique tommost: i thought netcat did wait, it doesn't just keep outputting it continuously
17 16:37:00 povilusr_ yeah its windows
17 16:38:00 tommost I expect that it will wait for the TCP connection to be established, but I doubt that it waits for all of the request's HTTP headers to be received.
17 16:41:00 Morasique well, the point being, it can't really be that hard to fix this, it's more of a will problem
17 16:41:00 tommost Agreed.
17 16:41:00 povilusr_ its more of an iair is retarded problem
17 16:42:00 povilusr_ i wanna get rich and then donate haf a mill to have them fire alll of iait
17 16:43:00 Morasique tommost: this might fix your permanent tag problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4970
17 16:43:00 Morasique also, this is what you were looking for with the proper color selection dialog: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/1693
17 16:44:00 Morasique i sat in plp today and went through every add-on thunderbird has :)
17 16:44:00 auchter will is slipping, no email was sent out about the meeting today
17 16:44:00 Morasique he's sitting next to me, he said he remembered too late
17 16:44:00 povilusr_ youre a slacker will
17 16:44:00 tommost He should do a last-minute one like I did for robotics Tuesday.
17 16:44:00 Blazeix so i hear.
17 16:44:00 Blazeix I'll send it out at 5:14
17 16:45:00 Morasique i know, that will is an idiot
17 16:45:00 Morasique oh wait, he's here
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ 17:16:38] bscombatwombat: bring me food
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:38] bobthegreatzeta: if you're logged there, get out
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:38] bscombatwombat: when you come
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:38] bscombatwombat: if nothing else a freezy stick and some pizza
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:39] bobthegreatzeta: rofl
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:39] bobthegreatzeta: I don't like food in my car :/
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:39] bscombatwombat: put it in a bag
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ [17:16:40] bobthegreatzeta: I disagree.
17 16:45:00 Morasique thanks for sharing that
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ i hate mark
17 16:45:00 povilusr_ btw
17 16:45:00 tommost I have no idea what that was.
17 16:45:00 Blazeix what is a 'freezy stick'
17 16:46:00 povilusr_ flavor-ice
17 16:46:00 povilusr_ i think
17 16:46:00 Morasique http://www.freeindie.com/songs/freezepop/freezepop.gif
17 16:46:00 Morasique damn picture, now i want one
17 16:46:00 Blazeix povilusr_: is Zeta coming to lug?
17 16:46:00 povilusr_ yeah those
17 16:46:00 povilusr_ yeah
17 16:46:00 povilusr_ but he wont bring me a freezi stick
17 16:49:00 Morasique well that's just inhumane
17 16:49:00 povilusr_ yeah
17 16:49:00 TBoneULS lol
17 16:50:00 povilusr_ you should have on time for all people in lug on the log
17 16:50:00 povilusr_ see who is on the mos, like sittign there
17 16:50:00 povilusr_ obviously kaaba is gunna win but i wanna see what else
17 16:50:00 auchter what the hell did you just say?
17 16:50:00 auchter i can't understand any of that.
17 16:50:00 povilusr_ who is in channel the most time
17 16:51:00 Blazeix I actually understood that, I think I'm getting used to poviluspeak.
17 16:51:00 auchter ah, ok. i think i would win, i'm constantly on
17 16:52:00 auchter hm, i suppose i should head over
17 16:52:00 povilusr_ kaaba is my cube computer i never turn off
17 16:52:00 povilusr_ yeah thats usualy a good idea
17 16:52:00 auchter povilusr_: appropriately named
17 16:52:00 Morasique wow, i'm terrified right now. i had no trouble reading what he said until i saw auchter's line and went back to reread it, and that is complete nonsense, i don't know how i read it
17 16:53:00 povilusr_ its not black but im ok with it, zazamond segjusted companion cube
17 16:53:00 povilusr_ its einglish its soo fucked up already i cannot fuck it up more
17 16:53:00 povilusr_ to make it unreadable
17 16:54:00 Morasique "i cannot fuck it up more"? i feel i must disagree
17 16:55:00 povilusr_ i cannot fuck it up enough to make it unreadable
17 16:55:00 Blazeix false.
17 16:55:00 Morasique no, we've had trouble before, sometimes we group together to try and decipher it
17 16:56:00 povilusr_ but its still readable
17 16:56:00 tommost povilusr_: As luglog doesn't record part/join messages, it would be difficult to tell who is in here the most.
17 16:56:00 Morasique that's the opposite of what i just said
17 16:57:00 povilusr_ it should be a seperate script
17 16:57:00 povilusr_ sometimes we group together to try and decipher it -> it was read, eventually
17 16:57:00 Morasique i said try
17 16:57:00 Morasique we fail very often
17 16:57:00 povilusr_ well then you arent as good at english as i am
17 16:58:00 Morasique indeed :(
17 16:58:00 TBoneULS ya sam has l33t spelling skills
17 16:59:00 Morasique are we meeting in 217? last time i actually had a dock for a lug meeting we switched labs, and i've got a dock this time and i'm noticing a suspicious lack of andy and auchter
17 16:59:00 andy753421 I'm eating crackers and peanut butter.
17 17:00:00 povilusr_ andy: you are so profound
17 17:00:00 Morasique you should bring crackers and peanut butter for everyone
17 17:01:00 Morasique we should add it to our constitution: crackers and peanut butter for all
17 17:01:00 ferrelaj_cslab Morasique: is it bad that I have this irresistable urge to throw something at you right now?
17 17:02:00 Morasique ......yes
17 17:02:00 Blazeix If the items being thrown are cracker and peanut butter, then no.
17 17:02:00 Morasique you don't really need to append your location to your name, we can /whois you if we're curious
17 17:02:00 ferrelaj_cslab unfortunate. The urge is borderline irresistable.
17 17:03:00 ferrelaj_cslab meh, it's laziness, because IRC seems to hate me when I log in with the same sn
17 17:04:00 Morasique_F225_M aww. stupid truncating
17 17:04:00 ferrelaj_cslab awesome
17 17:04:00 Morasique_F225_M i wanted to be Morasique_F225_Moench_Rose_TerreHaute_Indiana_USA_Earth
17 17:05:00 Morasique damn, that other nick shows up separately in logview. what is the rule for that? i thought underscores were the proper way to do it
17 17:07:00 andy753421 Morasique: normally it's name|away
17 17:07:00 Morasique er. what?
17 17:08:00 Morasique i have no idea what you're talking about :)
17 17:08:00 Morasique i'm talking about logview, it's listing Morasique and Morasique_F225 as separate people
17 17:08:00 Morasique i thought they would be grouped together
17 17:10:00 povilusr_ who is presenting, and what are they presenting
17 17:12:00 andy753421|eatin http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#usernames
17 17:16:00 Blazeix Hahaha, I'm on the presentation screen
17 17:16:00 Morasique look at me!
17 17:16:00 Mishtal lmao i was just about to say tht
17 17:16:00 ferrelaj_cslab wow! we're all here
17 17:17:00 povilusr_ wow, all of you are retarded
17 17:17:00 Morasique this is some sort of witchcraft
17 17:17:00 auchter astounding.
17 17:17:00 povilusr_ cs majors suck
17 17:17:00 Morasique rrmm: you're killing your logview ranking with all the name switching
17 17:17:00 povilusr_ cpe's ftw
17 17:21:00 Morasique auchter: plumb this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKY5vvDC7Bc
17 17:23:00 Morasique zaszamonde: you're missing the plumbing presentation
17 17:24:00 Zaszamonde ...wait, what?
17 17:24:00 tommost And the freezie sticks.
17 17:24:00 Zaszamonde also, the electrical fire smell is gone from the basement
17 17:24:00 tommost There are freezie sticks for everyone and you're missing out.
17 17:24:00 Morasique oh good. i e-mailed josh this morning
17 17:24:00 Zaszamonde he just came by
17 17:24:00 Zaszamonde it must have been from whatever the people used to unclog the drain
17 17:26:00 ferrelaj_cslab This is actually decently cool. Unexepected
17 17:26:00 povilusr_ its tubes, like the internet
17 17:27:00 povilusr_ zeta, wheres the vodka
17 17:27:00 tommost Apparently the freezie sticks are supposed to contain vodka.
17 17:27:00 povilusr_ yeah
17 17:28:00 povilusr_ they are
17 17:28:00 povilusr_ you should have word/lines, in lug log stats
17 17:29:00 Morasique plumbing looks cool, but i feel dirty clicking text in a terminal, it just seems so wrong
17 17:29:00 ferrelaj_cslab agreed
17 17:29:00 tommost povilusr_: Good idea.
17 17:57:00 tommost rrmm: Why did you change your nick?
17 17:57:00 auchter rrmm: how's the presentation for SGA going?
17 17:58:00 rrmm tommost~ because
17 17:59:00 Blazeix almost!
17 17:59:00 auchter rr73: still not quite right.
17 17:59:00 auchter rr73--;
17 17:59:00 rr73 auchter~ so? because i can
17 17:59:00 auchter not anymore.
17 17:59:00 auchter now you're way off
17 17:59:00 Morasique we should all have rr nicks for maximum confusion
17 18:01:00 Blazeix I'm so confused.
17 18:03:00 zz make the chan +R :-P
17 18:04:00 rr72_yay What does +R mean?
17 18:04:00 zz registered nicks only can join iirc
17 18:05:00 rr7227rr Satan oscillate my metallic sonataS
17 18:06:00 octavious creative.
17 18:06:00 rr7227rr 72! = 61234458376886086861524070385274672740778091784697328983823014963978384987221689274204160000000000000000
17 18:06:00 rr72_no_lie nick rr72!
17 18:07:00 rr72_no_lie er. fail
17 18:12:00 Morasique i suspect that ferrelaj may be on his laptop
17 18:12:00 ferrelaj_laptop your suspicion may be correct
17 18:15:00 zz are we all done now?
17 18:17:00 rr72_ afk
17 18:17:00 Morasique omg hacks
17 18:17:00 Morasique /ban everything
17 18:17:00 Zaszamonde hmmm
17 18:17:00 Zaszamonde this is new
17 18:17:00 Morasique indeed
17 18:17:00 ferrelaj_laptop whoah
17 18:18:00 Morasique this is very much a MAD situation
17 18:18:00 ferrelaj_laptop exciting
17 18:18:00 TheRoot heh heh heh heh heh.
17 18:20:00 TheRoot king of the moutain!
17 18:21:00 tommost ls
17 18:21:00 tommost I have voice.
17 18:21:00 auchter voice
17 18:22:00 Zaszamonde ?
17 18:22:00 Morasique i would've hoped we could handle this
17 18:22:00 Zaszamonde that's why i kicked
17 18:22:00 Zaszamonde who messed with the aop list?
17 18:23:00 Morasique andy753421 set it to auto-op everyone
17 18:23:00 Morasique because he likes chaos i suppose
17 18:23:00 Zaszamonde this could be bad methinks
17 18:23:00 Morasique i imagine it'll die down soon
17 18:24:00 rr72_____ help
17 18:24:00 rr72_____ error: the server is on fire
17 18:25:00 Zaszamonde we should probably fix this whole auto-op thing
17 18:25:00 Zaszamonde it won't work out well in the end
17 18:25:00 Morasique it'll be fine
17 18:28:00 Zaszamonde the chanserv on this server is missing some commands...
17 18:28:00 Zaszamonde i didn't even know that was possible
17 18:37:00 povilusr_ woot
17 18:38:00 povilusr_ im still shoing up as rr72 on my screen
17 18:38:00 povilusr_ wierd
17 18:39:00 Morasique andy753421: you should just set us all to level 10 and change the autoop level back, we don't all need to be op all the time
17 18:40:00 povilusr_ ?
17 18:40:00 Morasique er. which part
17 18:41:00 povilusr_ what would that do?
17 18:41:00 povilusr_ how would that work
17 18:42:00 Morasique if you're level 10 you can op yourself manually
17 18:42:00 Morasique right now he changed the autoop level to 0, and *!*@* is level 0, so everyone autoops when they join
17 18:43:00 Morasique (i felt bad for it)
17 18:43:00 povilusr_ tha woud be better
17 18:44:00 Morasique or he could just change the cmdop level to 0 and then anyone could op themselves manually but it still wouldn't happen everytime you join
17 20:01:00 auchter andy753421: i think you killed #rhlug
17 20:01:00 andy753421 heh heh heh
17 20:01:00 collinjc Personally, I think it's pretty awesome.
17 20:03:00 collinjc I have to admit, though, that I really do like the idea of random op assignments coming from luglog.
17 20:04:00 collinjc On another note, though, what happened to rr72?
17 20:37:00 Morasique we didn't ban him, did we?
17 20:38:00 Morasique ok, we didn't, i would've felt a little bad :)
17 21:36:00 tommost Morasique: How can Compiz be scripted to switch desktops?
17 21:36:00 Morasique there's a dbus command for it, but i don't know exactly what it is
17 21:36:00 Morasique hang on
17 21:37:00 Morasique this should help: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Dbus
17 21:37:00 tommost Thanks.
17 23:01:00 rr72 everyone was added to access list on chanserv to level 0 and autoop was set to level 0 as well
17 23:09:00 Morasique auchter: nice job there
17 23:12:00 auchter i do my best
17 23:12:00 Morasique i'm have an urge to kick luglog, but i would feel a little bad
17 23:12:00 Morasique although i think it auto-reconnects
17 23:12:00 Morasique er. s/i'm/i
18 00:27:00 ferrelaj tommost: is there anyway to get a particular bit in a number in python?
18 00:37:00 auchter http://marriedtothesea.com/
18 00:37:00 Morasique nice
18 00:38:00 auchter shame they omitted the /, though
18 01:31:00 auchter yesterday at this time, there was copious discussion...
18 01:49:00 Morasique auchter: sorry we've failed you :(
18 01:50:00 andy753421 auchter: I think everyone is tired form staying up to late last night, at least I am..
18 01:50:00 shadghost hi everyone
18 01:51:00 Morasique fortunately compilers got pushed back, so i may actually go to sleep voluntarily tonight instead of passing out somewhere
18 01:51:00 Morasique shadghost: hello
18 01:51:00 andy753421 shadghost: yep, i still have to do PLP homework though, but I can probably take another late day on it if I need to
18 01:51:00 auchter ah, late days... i miss those.
18 01:51:00 Morasique er. was that supposed to be to shadghost?
18 01:52:00 shadghost why you telling me that?
18 01:52:00 Morasique auchter: i don't think i've ever used them in any class; they're piling up in plp while i stay up all night doing compilers, they should be transferable
18 01:52:00 shadghost all that i need to do is try to install ubuntu 8.04 on my eeepc with no external cd drive
18 01:53:00 andy753421 shadghost: you can probably find an install image for a USB key somewhere
18 01:53:00 auchter Morasique: i used them in 230 all the time... i would turn in the programming assignments a day late, and then use the extra day for the written assignments
18 01:53:00 auchter er, s/late/early/
18 01:54:00 shadghost eeeuser.com has how to do it with a 7.10 cd image
18 01:54:00 auchter because there was a great difference in difficulty between the programming exercises and the written assignements...
18 01:54:00 Morasique auchter: well, most people had trouble with both :)
18 01:54:00 shadghost it is just a wii bit difacult with haveing my eee bootsector destroyed, and my main computer is xp
18 01:54:00 shadghost it requires linux commands
18 01:55:00 auchter *gasp*
18 01:56:00 andy753421 shadghost: you could always try to figure out how to make stuff netboot
18 01:56:00 shadghost (i am a gamer i require xp, and also i need ms excel to do homework that is macroed in it_
18 01:56:00 shadghost linux commands, but i like that ieda, we have a local uaf server
18 01:56:00 Morasique if professors gave us macroed excel files for homework i would probably stab them
18 01:56:00 shadghost i think i may just steal my roomates eeepc for a night
18 01:57:00 shadghost and use my 4gig sd card
18 01:57:00 auchter Morasique: yeah... luckily i've had sane professors so far...
18 02:02:00 auchter shadghost: can you boot from the sd card on the eee?
18 02:03:00 shadghost i have done it b4
18 02:03:00 auchter alright, i was just wondering how flexible it was
18 02:04:00 shadghost with my last eeepc, i was running ubuntu on my 4gig card, and the defult from the internal
18 02:04:00 shadghost but it loves booting from sd and from usb devices
18 02:06:00 shadghost it also loves to kill the boot sector if you update the defult Xandros with ubuntu repositories
18 02:49:00 shadghost so how is everyone?
18 03:32:00 Morasique shadghost: looking forward to getting more than 4 hours of sleep tonight, which means i need to leave around now
18 03:42:00 shadghost sleep is for the wimps
18 03:54:00 tommost I just woke up!
18 03:54:00 tommost Now for a shower and several hours of intensive studying....
18 03:54:00 tommost Having two math tests in a day really sucks.
18 05:40:00 andy753421 earthquake?
18 05:41:00 collinjc I believe so.
18 05:41:00 shadghost lawl
18 05:41:00 collinjc I got on here to see if anyone else felt the same.
18 05:41:00 shadghost how bad?]
18 05:42:00 tommost Just a tremor.
18 05:42:00 andy753421 I courious to find out where the fault line is
18 05:42:00 collinjc Well, it wasn't bad enough that I was willing to completely write off the possibility of something very big falling in Aucther's apartment.
18 05:42:00 collinjc But it lasted a bit long for that to have been the case.
18 05:42:00 tommost collinjc: Did you just wake up? That made no sense.
18 05:43:00 collinjc Yes, I did.
18 05:43:00 octavious holy shit that was sweet
18 05:44:00 octavious here i was reading an article about ben steins movie... my first earthquake, heh
18 05:44:00 andy753421 anyone know anyone else around indiana that would be online around now?
18 05:44:00 octavious indy was hit
18 05:44:00 octavious well, same as us
18 05:44:00 shadghost http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/last_event_states/states_indiana.html
18 05:45:00 shadghost o nm
18 05:45:00 shadghost scrach that
18 05:45:00 tommost You missed by four years.
18 05:45:00 collinjc I was going to say... This looks a bit outdated.
18 05:47:00 shadghost i clicked on latest earthquackes
18 05:48:00 collinjc It says it may take a few minutes for it to be updated.
18 05:48:00 shadghost it ant like alaska where there is a lot of websites that instaintly post the earthquack detales
18 05:48:00 collinjc Well, now that my curiosity is satisfied, I'm going back to sleep.
18 05:48:00 auchter collinjc: wow
18 05:49:00 collinjc auchter: You can never be too sure.
18 05:49:00 shadghost sleep is for the wimps
18 05:49:00 auchter i was pretty freaked out there, thought someone was frantically trying to open my door
18 05:50:00 tommost Did anything heavy fall?
18 05:50:00 auchter nope, luckily
18 05:50:00 collinjc tommost: Turned out to be an earthquake instead.
18 05:51:00 andy753421 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/at00851141.php
18 05:51:00 shadghost "SourceWest Coast and Alaska Tsunami Warning Center/NOAA/NWS "
18 05:51:00 shadghost lol
18 05:51:00 collinjc Ahh, here we go. This looks much more current.
18 05:52:00 auchter 89.2mi from terre haute
18 05:52:00 shadghost and the source is alaska
18 05:52:00 auchter that's a pretty big earthquake for the midwest, is it not?
18 05:52:00 shadghost i lived in bigger
18 05:53:00 shadghost http://www.aeic.alaska.edu/recent/sub/index.html
18 05:53:00 andy753421 auchter: it is
18 05:53:00 tommost shadghost: I have never experienced an earthquake. This is the midwest.
18 05:53:00 shadghost all of the earthquackes in alaska in the last 24 hours
18 05:53:00 auchter alaska is slightly larger than indiana
18 05:54:00 shadghost 2 in the last hour in that map
18 05:54:00 andy753421 auchter: you'll year about this in the news tomorrow at least
18 05:54:00 tommost Heck, Alaska is practically larger than the midwest.
18 05:55:00 shadghost it is larger, but also way more active for the earthquackes per a square mile then the lower 48
18 05:55:00 shadghost name one big earthquack with out the internet
18 05:55:00 tommost No surprise there.
18 05:55:00 tommost Alaska: we have earthquakes. Because the land feels sad that there are no people here.
18 05:56:00 shadghost no it is becouse of the plates... but
18 05:57:00 tommost Nope. It's shaking in frustration.
18 05:57:00 shadghost most people who are not from alaska will say the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906 but the good friday quake was bigger
18 05:59:00 tommost You're trying to make this conversation about earthquakes, which I know nothing about. I suggest that we talk about Alaska. Here's the protocol: 1) I make a derogatory and unfounded assertion about Alaska. 2) You respond. 3) Profit!
18 06:00:00 shadghost ok
18 06:00:00 shadghost shoot
18 06:00:00 tommost I may know nothing about Alaska, but it's sure easier to badmouth than earthquakes.
18 06:00:00 shadghost sorry
18 06:01:00 octavious news said they had people feel it in wisconsin. heh
18 06:01:00 tommost I wonder if my family felt it.
18 06:02:00 tommost Anyway, Alaska sucks because of snow. Far too much of it. Every day. Year round. Like, at least two feet per week.
18 06:02:00 octavious 5.4 earthquake
18 06:03:00 octavious http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2008qza6.php
18 06:03:00 collinjc This probably means that I'm going to be spending the afternoon checking the basements of Swope (where I work) for cracks in the walls. That disappoints me.
18 06:03:00 andy753421 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/illinois/history.php
18 06:04:00 andy753421 If i remember correctly, the midwest has more bedrock than other places so earthquakes travel farther
18 06:04:00 collinjc Well, a lot of that is more to the south, so I guess it depends upon where it was centered.
18 06:04:00 tommost Also, Alaska sucks because the only industries are 1) drilling for oil; 2) fishing for smelly fish; 3) building crappy bridges.
18 06:05:00 tommost Oh, and Alaska's political establishment sucks.
18 06:05:00 auchter tommost: "3)", well done
18 06:05:00 shadghost snow is fun
18 06:05:00 shadghost and we have 90 f weather in summer
18 06:06:00 tommost Alaska: a land of sweltering heat and frostbitten cold. You can't win.
18 06:06:00 shadghost is is epic win all around
18 06:06:00 tommost Not to mention that there's no fucking sunlight half the year.
18 06:06:00 shadghost the air is so crisp anc clean
18 06:06:00 shadghost the sun is up from when you wake up tell you go to bed
18 06:06:00 collinjc Seems that at the very least, I have learned that I don't want to go to Alaska any time soon.
18 06:07:00 shadghost a 10 min drive then there is no buliding around and you can go backpacking in pristrance wirldernes
18 06:07:00 auchter we're in indiana, making fun of another state. this does not make sense
18 06:07:00 tommost Pristine wilderness: evidence that there is nothing there worth anything aside from the wilderness itself.
18 06:07:00 auchter furthermore, we're in terre haute, making fun of (anywhere else in the world)
18 06:07:00 collinjc auchter: well played.
18 06:08:00 shadghost i need to go be back in 15
18 06:08:00 auchter yeah, i'm going back to sleep. damn this earthquake for making me remember that i have a laptop
18 06:08:00 collinjc That number needs units.
18 06:09:00 collinjc Without them, it leaves the possibility that you are talking about Alaska wide open.
18 06:09:00 tommost I may attempt to take a nap. I feel strangely tired, and I suspect that I can do nothing to improve my grade on my DE test.
18 06:11:00 tommost Doing poorly on Galinitis's tests is as inevitable as suicide among young white males in Alaska.
18 07:52:00 octavious here's the story i am sticking to:
18 07:53:00 octavious So here I was, staring at my naked body in the mirror, fresh lipstick on my face, and right as I am putting my leg through a pair of womens underwear, the earth starts shaking
18 07:53:00 octavious was God trying to send me a message?
18 07:55:00 tommost I was attempting to study for a test. I think that God was telling me that I'm screwed.
18 07:55:00 tommost (But then, it's a Galinitis test, so that was obvious.)
18 09:10:00 tommost Okay, I just love how there are three totally different services now labeled "Banner".
18 09:11:00 tommost 1) prodbss.rose... What I actually consider to be Banner.
18 09:11:00 ferrelaj_laptop We should run a Markov chain over the lug-log. I'd be curious to see what it looked like
18 09:12:00 tommost 2) prodinb.rose... Does something administrative? Apparently access is "restricted to a subset of campus subnets" according to my "Banner is down" support ticket, so you can click on a link to it and it will appear to be down.
18 09:14:00 tommost 3) local.rose... It doesn't say that it actually is banner, but I could swear that I've clicked on Banner links that lead me here.
18 09:15:00 tommost Ah, yes. Here it is: https://local.rose-hulman.edu/administration/iait/admincomputing/Banner/default.aspx
18 09:16:00 tommost From my "Banner is down" support ticket response: "There is no web server listening on port 80 (HTTP) on ProdBSS, nor is the port visible through the firewall on ProdBSS, so there is nothing to respond to the connection attempt."
18 09:16:00 tommost Once again IAIT fails to understand the concept of an HTTP redirect.
18 09:17:00 tommost Also, this "Stephen Jones" guy keeps addressing me as "Mr. Most". It's annoying.
18 09:17:00 tommost ferrelaj_laptop: I'm up for Markov.
18 09:17:00 octavious if only IAIT read the lug log...
18 09:17:00 tommost I'd add it to logview except...
18 09:18:00 tommost [see my previous three rants]
18 09:18:00 tommost Oh, plus I got a direct e-mail from Mr. Jones as well as a support ticket closed e-mail. Stop spamming me!
18 09:21:00 ferrelaj_laptop What amuses me most is that any time a support ticket is filed, IAIT seems to take it a personal hit against their intelligence, and, therefore, they do whatever they can to justify the status quo. This is inspite of the fact that students just want stuff to work...
18 09:22:00 ferrelaj_laptop (and in the end, they just make themselves look foolishly retarded)
18 09:23:00 tommost You know what I love the most? If you go directly to https://prodbss.rose-hulman.edu/ you get an Oracle Application Server splash page. No indication that you've actually managed to locate the banner server!
18 09:26:00 ferrelaj_laptop Speaking of Markov: 220 is doing that as we speak!
18 09:27:00 tommost But it's in Java.
18 09:28:00 tommost I respect Andy's refusal to install the JVM on his server.
18 10:34:00 Morasique <Morasique> shadghost: looking forward to getting more than 4 hours of sleep tonight, which means i need to leave around now
18 10:34:00 Morasique sure, the first time i get sleep we go and have an earthquake
18 10:35:00 ferrelaj_laptop morasique: and thus the cookie crumbles. (or perhaps the earth's crust? hmm)
18 10:53:00 TBoneULS ya the oracle page on prodbss is high class... last week that took me to a "normal" banner login... how the hell do i get to that now?
18 10:53:00 TBoneULS or, does how how does 95% of campus get the info they care about without jumping through hoops?
18 10:53:00 shadghost just your luck
18 10:54:00 TBoneULS we should organize a breakin to IAITs server room one weekend when we all go and fix this shit
18 10:55:00 TBoneULS also, more high classness: https://prodweb.rose-hulman.edu/
18 10:55:00 TBoneULS i vaguely remember that being another bit of banner as well
18 11:00:00 shadghost people needs less sleep
18 11:04:00 Morasique that was random
18 11:13:00 TBoneULS ???
18 11:15:00 Morasique awesome, aftershocks ftw. god felt bad for me
18 11:15:00 ferrelaj_laptop that was fun
18 11:15:00 Morasique are you at ventures?
18 11:16:00 ferrelaj_laptop no. I'm still in the CS lab. Are you?
18 11:16:00 Morasique no, i'm talking to somebody there, apparently the cubicles shook a lot
18 11:16:00 TBoneULS ya i was wondering it that was a large truck going by
18 11:16:00 TBoneULS but im going to guess no
18 13:01:00 Morasique did i get kicked or something?
18 13:02:00 Morasique all the sudden i wasn't in the channel anymore, but only this channel had a problem
18 13:13:00 Morasique http://137.112.138.172/channels.png
18 13:14:00 Morasique either ubuntu is really popular, or ubuntu users just need more hand-holding
18 13:38:00 auchter Morasique: i don't think you got kicked, you had a quit message
18 13:40:00 povilusr_ lame no ops
18 13:40:00 povilusr_ nm
18 13:45:00 TBoneULS ha. mark fails - no ops
18 13:46:00 Morasique i definitely typed /chmod the first time, i was confused when nothing happened
18 13:47:00 povilusr_ so how about that earthquake
18 13:47:00 auchter not to thrilled about it waking me up
18 13:47:00 auchter s/to/too/
18 13:47:00 Morasique they talked about it for a long time right after it happened
18 13:47:00 povilusr_ did they, i was asleep
18 13:48:00 Morasique yeah, me too, most people woke up/were already up
18 13:48:00 povilusr_ i was like cool an earth quake, now i sleep again
18 13:48:00 auchter i was puzzled by it
18 13:48:00 Morasique i didn't even wake up, somehow i missed the whole thing
18 13:53:00 povilusr_ did the emergency warning system go off?
18 13:53:00 Morasique er. no, it was an earthquake, not a tornado or something
18 13:53:00 povilusr_ and...
18 13:54:00 Morasique and?
18 13:54:00 povilusr_ erthquakes amazingly enough are natural disasters
18 13:54:00 Morasique what are they going to warn us about, the earthquake lasted 20 seconds
18 13:54:00 Morasique "in case you all missed it, we just had an earthquake. if you're hearing the sirens, you made it through ok. good work everyone"
18 13:54:00 povilusr_ potentaly leaking gass lines
18 13:54:00 povilusr_ exposed power connections
18 13:55:00 Morasique they would e-mail us for that stuff
18 13:55:00 povilusr_ probably
18 14:31:00 auchter /who
18 14:32:00 Morasique fail
18 14:32:00 auchter both because of the space and the wrong command...
18 14:33:00 Zaszamonde ya, that was nice
18 14:33:00 auchter my brain is dead, so i have an excuse
18 14:34:00 tommost Wow... everyone's a mod.
18 14:34:00 tommost auchter: What is the status of the batteries?
18 14:34:00 ferrelaj everyone but you now ;-) :: ammused ::
18 14:34:00 auchter tommost: i'm not in charge of the batteries, so i have no idea
18 14:34:00 tommost Who is in charge of the batteries?
18 14:34:00 auchter no idea, i'm guessing kevin
18 14:35:00 tommost What's his AIM?
18 14:35:00 auchter wiggajiggak
18 14:35:00 tommost OMG.
18 14:35:00 ferrelaj people have been trying to pronounce that for years
18 14:38:00 TBoneULS so how many people here are in embedded right now, trying to entertain themselves?
18 14:38:00 Zaszamonde me
18 14:38:00 povilusr_ me
18 14:38:00 Zaszamonde i'm doing a comm sys lab
18 14:38:00 povilusr_ hostiels in eve
18 14:38:00 Zaszamonde that's about 100x more interesting
18 14:38:00 Zaszamonde and that is sad
18 14:38:00 Zaszamonde so very, very sad
18 14:38:00 octavious me.
18 14:38:00 TBoneULS ya i know
18 14:39:00 TBoneULS ya
18 14:39:00 TBoneULS surfing the internet has become boring, and that's just sad
18 14:39:00 octavious heh, i already did this lab
18 14:39:00 TBoneULS really?
18 14:39:00 Zaszamonde i thought stumble upon would open up the internet, but I think i have reached the end
18 14:39:00 octavious yea
18 14:39:00 auchter [ H(jomega) = frac{K}{omega_n^2} frac{1}{1 - left(frac{omega}{omega_n}right)^2 + 2jzeta frac{omega}{omega_n}} ]
18 14:39:00 auchter that's what i'm doing... not a fan of ece200.
18 14:39:00 TBoneULS ya i get bored of stumbling even
18 14:39:00 TBoneULS wtf
18 14:39:00 Zaszamonde I have 3 classes right now and all of them want me to do group projects
18 14:40:00 octavious yay LaTeX
18 14:40:00 Zaszamonde also, baty, sam, we need to review the PDS
18 14:40:00 TBoneULS ya i know
18 14:40:00 Zaszamonde we should do that sometime
18 14:40:00 TBoneULS ya
18 14:40:00 TBoneULS sometime thats not now
18 14:40:00 Mishtal according to derrel, who i was just speaking to>
18 14:40:00 Mishtal the reason why the windows work stations only have linux VMS
18 14:40:00 Mishtal is because someone messed with the 217 one to cause only ubuntu to come up
18 14:41:00 Mishtal and so they put linux in VMs as retaliation
18 14:41:00 auchter by someone, they must mean the ubuntu auto-update
18 14:41:00 Morasique ah. a clever chessmatch we're in
18 14:41:00 auchter it's like playing chess against a suicidal monkey
18 14:41:00 Morasique auchter: my ubuntu has never done that, i still dual boot
18 14:41:00 Zaszamonde auchter: i'd like to watch that
18 14:41:00 TBoneULS so if we have it only boot windows, will they retalite and put windows in a virtual machine?
18 14:42:00 Mishtal i suggested that either him or mike attend the next lug meeting, briefly.
18 14:42:00 Mishtal it doesnt look like tey intend to
18 14:42:00 Mishtal currently the workstations ONLY boot windows
18 14:42:00 Morasique tboneuls: that's how it is now, they don't appear to be concerned
18 14:42:00 TBoneULS i know, i was trying to reverse their logic
18 14:42:00 Mishtal also, he mentioned that there are some windows specific programs that they "need" to run constantly *shrug*
18 14:42:00 Morasique mishtal: bullshit. tell him to name one
18 14:43:00 Morasique those machines aren't even on constantly, he's full of it
18 14:43:00 Mishtal too lazy, doing linalg, and he disappeared
18 14:43:00 auchter last time, he mentioned "network montoring"
18 14:43:00 TBoneULS what
18 14:43:00 TBoneULS my brain hurts sometimes trying to think how this makes sense to anyone
18 14:43:00 TBoneULS mostly when we are dealing with IAIT
18 14:43:00 Zaszamonde we should start picketing IAIT
18 14:43:00 Morasique this isn't even iait, it's our department, that makes it so much worse
18 14:43:00 ferrelaj AGREED!
18 14:44:00 TBoneULS ya but currently im lumping them all in the group of people who make stupid decisions
18 14:44:00 Mishtal oh, also he mentioned that he didnt know if afs was recognized by the linux VMs, and stated that might be the reason i can never manage to log on to the VMs when i said i couldnt when i tried
18 14:45:00 Zaszamonde i do have to say that IAIT and the CSSE department fight for the stupid award
18 14:45:00 auchter Morasique: afs has nothing to do with logins, that's ldap and/or kerberos
18 14:45:00 TBoneULS i still think iait wins with flying colors
18 14:45:00 povilusr_ STUPID COLOURS
18 14:45:00 Morasique auchter: you mean michtal
18 14:45:00 povilusr_ whoops caps lock, sorry
18 14:46:00 TBoneULS wtf
18 14:46:00 auchter Morasique: indeed, M-<tab> didn't read my mind this time
18 14:46:00 Mishtal i was aware that afs had nothing to do with logins, tell derrel that
18 14:46:00 Morasique the linux vms don't even get on the network properly, i'm pretty sure they don't connect to afs
18 14:47:00 TBoneULS er that's not a apostrophe
18 14:47:00 auchter i'm pretty sure he's a microsoft employee
18 14:48:00 auchter TBoneULS: the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe
18 14:48:00 TBoneULS sry, that was directed at those going through embedded hell right now
18 14:48:00 Morasique ah. i was wondering wtf you were talking about
18 14:48:00 Zaszamonde oh, i wasn't paying attention to the hoove
18 14:49:00 TBoneULS he just called an exclamation point and apostrophe
18 14:49:00 povilusr_ im cinfused now, im in embeded and have no idea what baty is talking about
18 14:49:00 Zaszamonde does the hoove realize that reading shit to us won't teach us?
18 14:49:00 auchter is everyone in that class on their laptops?
18 14:49:00 TBoneULS does he realize we know how to draw state diagrams?
18 14:49:00 TBoneULS id say 90%
18 14:49:00 Zaszamonde all but two
18 14:49:00 Morasique the way it should be
18 14:49:00 TBoneULS i dont know how you could go through this class witout your laptop
18 14:49:00 TBoneULS nobody pays attention
18 14:49:00 TBoneULS but we're here, so he's happy
18 14:49:00 auchter i'm the only one in this class on a laptop
18 14:49:00 Zaszamonde TJ knows more than him
18 14:50:00 auchter it's sad.
18 14:50:00 TBoneULS trey knows more than him
18 14:50:00 Zaszamonde and trey's not here, how smart are we?
18 14:50:00 TBoneULS ya he skips on fridays
18 14:50:00 TBoneULS its his policy
18 14:50:00 Zaszamonde he's giving us C code and acting like it's hard
18 14:50:00 Zaszamonde WE'RE CPEs WE GET C
18 14:50:00 TBoneULS its so much better than assembly
18 14:50:00 Zaszamonde no shit
18 14:51:00 Zaszamonde but still, it's fucking C
18 14:51:00 TBoneULS k this is useless, im going to go wander
18 14:51:00 TBoneULS its so apparent what stuff does
18 14:51:00 Zaszamonde heh
18 14:51:00 Zaszamonde he overexplains easy shit
18 14:51:00 Mishtal im sorry for all of you that you suffer so
18 14:51:00 Zaszamonde and brushes off impossible stuff
18 14:51:00 Zaszamonde god damn
18 14:51:00 auchter why not say something to him?
18 14:52:00 Zaszamonde it would interrupt his rhythm
18 14:52:00 Zaszamonde also, it takes energy that isn't worth spending on him
18 14:52:00 Zaszamonde methinks he's retiring soon, so it's not that important. As long as I pass, i don't care that much
18 14:53:00 povilusr_ yeah he retires soon
18 14:53:00 Zaszamonde he uses to alternate ifs instead of elses
18 14:54:00 Zaszamonde wtf?
18 14:54:00 auchter Zaszamonde: as in: if (cond) { } if (!cond) { } ?
18 14:55:00 Zaszamonde ya
18 14:55:00 Morasique i imagine a compiler would catch that, but yeah, it's retarded
18 14:55:00 auchter that's utterly awful
18 14:55:00 Zaszamonde it's really damn painful to see
18 14:55:00 Zaszamonde also, he's now teaching how to put C code in multiple files
18 14:55:00 Morasique he should do if (cond) {stuff } else if (!cond) { other stuff } else { more stuff }
18 14:56:00 Zaszamonde lol
18 14:56:00 Zaszamonde he would do that, he's a really bad coder if you can't tell
18 14:58:00 auchter damn, my prof just said we're done with the topic for today... i thought he would let us go, but he starts another topic.
18 14:59:00 auchter this hour needs to end now
18 14:59:00 povilusr_ EPIC FAIL by hoover
18 14:59:00 Zaszamonde arrrrggggg
18 14:59:00 Zaszamonde god damn idiot kid!
18 14:59:00 povilusr_ and that student
18 15:00:00 Zaszamonde hoove's HP almost was out of batteries
18 15:00:00 povilusr_ and some idiot gave him his power supply
18 15:00:00 Zaszamonde we couldn't give him our Dell Power cords
18 15:00:00 povilusr_ who did that
18 15:00:00 Zaszamonde we were so close to leaving
18 15:00:00 Zaszamonde arrrggg
18 15:00:00 auchter wow
18 15:00:00 povilusr_ we should beat him up after class
18 15:00:00 Zaszamonde he's the damn kid that would tell the prof that he didn't assign the homework at the end of class
18 15:01:00 povilusr_ to your left by how many and forward how many?
18 15:01:00 Zaszamonde end of my row
18 15:01:00 Zaszamonde red shirt
18 15:01:00 Mishtal beat him bloody with a whiffle ball bat
18 15:01:00 povilusr_ maroon shirt?
18 15:01:00 tommost We need a webcam in whatever classroom this is happening in. It would double the amusement value of this narrative.
18 15:02:00 Mishtal i vote yes
18 15:02:00 octavious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupper%27s_self-referential_formula
18 15:02:00 povilusr_ yeah, thats a beating
18 15:03:00 auchter octavious: why. why would someone do that?
18 15:03:00 octavious i have no idea
18 15:03:00 octavious i am not sure i fully understand it
18 15:04:00 Zaszamonde a self graphing formula?
18 15:04:00 tommost It cheats.
18 15:04:00 Morasique i've seen that before, it's cool. it can graph any picture given the right N
18 15:04:00 auchter yeah, it's less voodoo than i though
18 15:04:00 auchter t
18 15:06:00 TBoneULS so whatd i miss?
18 15:06:00 Zaszamonde he almost ran out of batteries
18 15:06:00 Zaszamonde and some kid gave him a power cable
18 15:06:00 Zaszamonde we were so close to leaving
18 15:06:00 Morasique people should've thrown things at him
18 15:07:00 Morasique i'm surprised there wasn't actual booing when it happened
18 15:07:00 Zaszamonde i think we were in shock
18 15:07:00 Zaszamonde shock that someone would do that
18 15:07:00 TBoneULS what goddmanit
18 15:07:00 TBoneULS i know that guy
18 15:08:00 TBoneULS the guy who gave him the cord
18 15:08:00 TBoneULS WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT
18 15:08:00 Zaszamonde no kidding
18 15:08:00 Mishtal tar and feathers!
18 15:08:00 Zaszamonde That could be fun
18 15:08:00 TBoneULS he was in my 361 group
18 15:08:00 Zaszamonde go kneecap him
18 15:08:00 povilusr_ relly, when you want multi source, you check multisource, thank you hoover
18 15:09:00 TBoneULS hes really not that bad, i dont know why he offered up his adapter though
18 15:09:00 Zaszamonde and for relocatable assembly, check relocatable assembly
18 15:09:00 TBoneULS omg, what would i do without this useful info
18 15:09:00 TBoneULS now hes discussing how to expand expandible lists
18 15:09:00 Zaszamonde the hoove could be replaced by a Ctrl-F function
18 15:09:00 TBoneULS the hoove?
18 15:09:00 TBoneULS lol
18 15:10:00 auchter i think my prof's a nihilist
18 15:10:00 Zaszamonde how so?
18 15:10:00 Morasique i feel no pity, steve could be replaced by the wikipedia page for software architecture after it's been vandalized a few times
18 15:10:00 TBoneULS looking back in teh logs we were talking about the suck in michigan?
18 15:11:00 auchter he just seems like a nihilst
18 15:11:00 Zaszamonde really hoove is just a soundtrack and a wiggling mouse
18 15:11:00 povilusr_ hover could be replaced by a manual and phil
18 15:11:00 auchter TBoneULS: i was talking about how michigan rocks
18 15:11:00 Zaszamonde the manual would be more sensical
18 15:11:00 TBoneULS oh god no
18 15:11:00 TBoneULS okay, thats good
18 15:11:00 TBoneULS i saw something about the suck of detroit, and yes, it does blow, good thing i dont live there
18 15:11:00 TBoneULS grosse pointe is a whole different place
18 15:11:00 Zaszamonde sure it is detroit boy
18 15:12:00 Zaszamonde keep saying that
18 15:12:00 auchter grosse pointe is pretty damn close to detroit, but completely different
18 15:12:00 Zaszamonde it's the pimple on the face of fail that is detroit
18 15:12:00 TBoneULS you should drive there, you'll notice the line instantly, i guarantee it
18 15:12:00 TBoneULS ya no
18 15:12:00 Zaszamonde how so?
18 15:13:00 TBoneULS it just isnt
18 15:13:00 auchter well, you go from multi-million dollar houses to abandoned buildings for one...
18 15:13:00 TBoneULS ya
18 15:13:00 TBoneULS within a few blocks almost
18 15:13:00 TBoneULS its a drastic change
18 15:13:00 auchter yeah, it's really quite amazing
18 15:13:00 TBoneULS and ya the traverse city area is awesome
18 15:13:00 Zaszamonde so is the difference between a pimple and skin, it doesn't meen either are very good
18 15:14:00 TBoneULS i felt left out of this converstaion over break, so i felt the need to restart it
18 15:14:00 Morasique it's really very sad that we're talking about the "good" part of michigan
18 15:14:00 Zaszamonde hmmm this analogy has run it's course into creepy
18 15:14:00 auchter i'll continue it when iget back to internet, class is finally over
18 15:14:00 Morasique we should discuss how certain sections of canada "aren't all that bad"
18 15:14:00 octavious "have you heard about recursive programming?"
18 15:14:00 tommost octavious: What‽
18 15:14:00 octavious quote from the Hoove
18 15:14:00 Zaszamonde has he been talking about stuff?
18 15:14:00 TBoneULS im assuming its somthing hoover was saying while i was talking about intersting things
18 15:15:00 TBoneULS i think so
18 15:15:00 Zaszamonde he's still talking?
18 15:15:00 TBoneULS i like when he stops talking because he confused himself
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ yeah
18 15:15:00 Zaszamonde jeeze, no one is listening
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ vectors and stuff
18 15:15:00 TBoneULS um
18 15:15:00 TBoneULS we did this for last lab, right?
18 15:15:00 TBoneULS why is he going over it now
18 15:15:00 Mishtal oh my, how is it that none of you have laughed at this hoover guy yet?
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ vector
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ number
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ vector 0
18 15:15:00 Zaszamonde what's the vector victor?
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ initaise
18 15:15:00 povilusr_ main program
18 15:16:00 Zaszamonde couldn't resist the airplane reference
18 15:16:00 TBoneULS well, apprently if you say anything bad about him/to him, he really takes it personally and freaks out
18 15:16:00 povilusr_ yay he is soooooooooooooooo usefull
18 15:16:00 Zaszamonde prof evals this quarter are going to be interesting
18 15:16:00 povilusr_ yeah
18 15:16:00 povilusr_ well not rellay
18 15:16:00 TBoneULS so instead of numbering the like 10 items in that table, he explains us how to count them correctly, and announces thae he hasn't found a table with that information
18 15:16:00 Zaszamonde there needs to be a "FAIL" option for ratings
18 15:16:00 povilusr_ for(all of sams classes){class was usless}
18 15:17:00 TBoneULS ya i know
18 15:17:00 TBoneULS most of my profs are going to get a bad review
18 15:17:00 povilusr_ hirotani?
18 15:17:00 povilusr_ econ
18 15:17:00 TBoneULS ya not those 2
18 15:17:00 Zaszamonde berry's not bad really, he is a bit tough and loves mornings
18 15:17:00 TBoneULS the other 3, yes
18 15:17:00 tommost Yay Hirotani!
18 15:17:00 Zaszamonde voltmer is a bit of a dick
18 15:17:00 TBoneULS that class is useless as fuck
18 15:17:00 octavious i think comm sys is a damn interesting class
18 15:17:00 TBoneULS i dont care if we have to have it, im going to complain
18 15:17:00 Zaszamonde comm sys is cool
18 15:18:00 TBoneULS i should consider taking that
18 15:18:00 octavious i failed 361 :(
18 15:18:00 Zaszamonde embedded is just annoying
18 15:18:00 TBoneULS dont worry, you could pass 362 right now
18 15:18:00 Zaszamonde it's a programming class with a vague connection to general hardware really
18 15:18:00 TBoneULS ya it really is
18 15:18:00 TBoneULS there has to be a computer that controls the bells, does anyone have a clue where it is
18 15:18:00 Zaszamonde it's programming with a few wires coming out that you hook up to semi-interesting things
18 15:19:00 TBoneULS random thought
18 15:19:00 Zaszamonde it's in the room from 380 last quarter
18 15:19:00 TBoneULS thats for the bell tower
18 15:19:00 TBoneULS i meant the class bells
18 15:19:00 Zaszamonde ah, no clue
18 15:19:00 TBoneULS but ya, that should be hacked too
18 15:19:00 Zaszamonde i wanna rick roll the campus with the warning system
18 15:19:00 tommost Don't we all.
18 15:19:00 TBoneULS OMG
18 15:19:00 Zaszamonde woo! free!
18 15:19:00 TBoneULS oh ya
18 15:20:00 TBoneULS we should do that
18 15:20:00 Morasique the bell tower control is in O103, it's the only thing that keeps me going during steve's class
18 15:20:00 Morasique i countdown to the next quarter hour so i can watch the lights blink
18 15:20:00 tommost Damn those Trillian part messages!
18 15:20:00 Morasique the class bells are in a special room near olin 1 lobby, it's locked
18 15:20:00 Morasique indeed, spook is so much better :)
18 15:52:00 tommost So nicks are registered by prefix?
18 15:58:00 tommost Does anyone else find the SAB's hypnotist poster to be 1) creepy and 2) an example of povilusr_-like grammar?
18 15:59:00 tommost Is everyone dead? Did the earthquakes cause some poisonous gas to be released that will soon engulf me?
18 16:00:00 auchter i'm eating olives.
18 16:00:00 tommost Olives are yummy.
18 16:01:00 auchter that is indeed the reason i'm eating them. they've engulfed my senses
18 16:01:00 tommost I just ate a pickle. It was salty.
18 16:02:00 auchter not a fan of pickles. olives are where it's at. especially kalamata olives.
18 16:03:00 tommost I don't have any olives.
18 16:03:00 tommost I am sad.
18 16:10:00 auchter i was debating what album to put on next, but the earth answered that question for me earlier: Fuenf auf der nacht oben offenen Richterskala
18 16:31:00 tommost Spam bots, please hit this address: donvito2469@yahoo.com
18 16:47:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl
18 16:49:00 tommost That guy send me an e-mail via my web site's form. It said "FUCK YOU!!!!" and nothing else.
18 16:49:00 tommost He also sent it twice.
18 16:49:00 tommost His IP was 209.7.119.155, if anyone wants a crack at it. (He was using IE6, so he can't be too competent.)
18 16:50:00 kleinjt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:209.7.119.155 <-- seen that?
18 16:52:00 auchter well, that narrows down where he's from, too
18 16:53:00 Morasique nothing like 4 or 5 last warnings from wikipedia to show you the error or your ways
18 16:54:00 Morasique s/error or/error of
18 16:55:00 Morasique that's interesting, you can keep voicing somebody that already has it
18 16:55:00 Morasique from now on i'm going to express approval of somebody's statements by voicing them :)
18 16:55:00 auchter i approve of myself.
18 16:56:00 Morasique indeed
18 16:59:00 auchter man, i'm stunned that people have that much time on their hands to vandalize wikipedia
18 17:07:00 Morasique i feel really when it's obvious they spent a lot of time on it and then i click one button and it all goes away
18 17:16:00 TBoneULS so iait responded to my response to why the hell they dont have rose-hulman.edu work
18 17:16:00 TBoneULS There is no need to have a web server installed on a domain controller. A web server, regradless of how tightly locked-down it is, is a potential security vulnerability. While the inconvenience is unfortunate there are no plans to install a web server on any the domain controllers. They provide the identity and authenitication services for the campus and exposing them to the Internet is not a risk we are willing to take.
18 17:16:00 TBoneULS I appreciate your comments regarding the requirement for including www, but that requirement will remain for the forseeable future.
18 17:17:00 quark ha
18 17:17:00 quark are you talking about removing the www.?
18 17:17:00 quark from the domain name?
18 17:17:00 TBoneULS they do realize they could just allow port 80, and you know, its windows so its already insecure
18 17:17:00 quark doing that is such an antiquated practice
18 17:17:00 TBoneULS no, we're talking about how www.rose-hulman.edu works and rose-hulman.edu doesn't
18 17:18:00 quark yeah
18 17:18:00 quark thats what I'm talking about
18 17:18:00 quark on the domain name
18 17:19:00 quark I have always wondered why they do that
18 17:21:00 rr72 i was trying to access it on my phone but it never said anything because i forgot the www
18 17:23:00 tommost They could forward port 80 to a different machine; they don't have to install a web server on one of the domain controllers.
18 17:23:00 tommost It's pure incompetence that they don't.
18 17:56:00 Mishtal http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-te.md.rape17apr17,0,5827288,full.story
18 17:56:00 Mishtal men just keep getting anything at all that resembles the ability to say "wtf?" taken away from them
18 17:58:00 rr72 any damage from the earthquake?
18 17:58:00 ferrelaj Plenty. most of it mental
18 18:03:00 Morasique er. that wasn't already in the definition of rape?
18 18:04:00 ferrelaj morasique: I don't think it was, but I don't see any problem with that. It seems to be rather obvious.
18 18:05:00 ferrelaj mishtal: Also, this is currently in 7 states, that leaves 43 others that you're free to move to, if you disagree with the diea
18 18:05:00 ferrelaj **idea
18 18:05:00 Morasique ferrelaj: yeah, i'm pretty baffled how anybody could disagree with this
18 18:05:00 ferrelaj I don't know... it seems like it would be pretty obvious, at least to me
18 18:07:00 Morasique i just exported a text file from xchat; it set the file's permissions to 250. that is the weirdest permissions i've ever seen
18 18:09:00 Mishtal ferralaj: im aware of that, im also aware that in all likelihood the link i posted above will have absolutely no effect on my life other than second or third hand accounts. however, statement stands
18 18:10:00 Morasique oh, wow. i just read the rest of the article, he got 18 months for not stopping for "5 or 10 seconds". that sucks pretty huge
18 18:10:00 ferrelaj mishtal: do you disagree with the ruling
18 18:11:00 ferrelaj ?
18 18:11:00 Mishtal ferralaj: i do not disagree with the intent to state that a woman is given sole authority to decide who does what when with her body. i disagree that the precedent, as far as i can gather, has been established that failure to comply instantly is tantimount to rape
18 18:12:00 Mishtal as Morasique stated, 5 to 10 seconds in delay to stop and withdraw == rape... is completely one hundred percent bullshit.
18 18:13:00 Mishtal i know, ive been in similar situation
18 18:13:00 Mishtal luckily i wasnt ever charged with anything
18 18:13:00 Morasique that was a big leap from "will have absolutely no effect on my life other than second or third hand accounts"
18 18:13:00 Morasique :)
18 18:13:00 ferrelaj hmm. I didn't see that in the article
18 18:15:00 Mishtal Morasique: your right, i should have stated "...in the future"
18 18:15:00 ferrelaj I can't tell from the article if there was more involved than just the 5-10 second rule tho. The first guy pleaded guilty
18 18:15:00 Mishtal im not certain either
18 18:16:00 Blazeix rr72: there wasn't really any damage from the earthquake (at least not at rose). Everyone in my room slept through it.
18 18:17:00 Mishtal but the 5-10 second rule takes almost no account of whether the woman could make it clear enough to the guy that he needed to stop. there is a noticible delay when a guy is in that mental state between when something unexpected like that is said and his reaction
18 18:17:00 Mishtal rr72, there hasnt been any damage near terre haute that ive heard of. i slept straight through both of the quakes. i didnt even know anything had happened until one of my profs mentioned it
18 18:18:00 Morasique nobody in the article that liked the verdict mentioned the delay part, they were focused on the 1980 case that said it's not rape if she said yes at some point, which is stupid. they wanted that overturned and it looks like this guy got screwed in the process. no pun intended
18 18:18:00 ferrelaj also note: this is still in court. It hasn't been finally decided. I agree in the woman's right to terminate... but this case sounds weird all around. 2 highschool students rape a willing college student? It sounds weird to me
18 18:19:00 Mishtal i suppose that in an a general humanity at large sense, there are times when one person needs to take the fall. but it still really really sucks for that one person
18 18:20:00 Mishtal ferral: i saw that. but you know me. im pessimistic, and paranoid. so i assume the worst in most situations. *shrug*
18 18:20:00 Mishtal also, im packing up and about to head over to your place
18 18:20:00 Mishtal anything i should be aware of?
18 18:27:00 Morasique Mishtal and i just realized we had that whole conversation while sitting in the same room, without realizing it
18 18:29:00 auchter Morasique: i think i've had a conversation with you on irc while sitting right next to you and not realizing it earlier in the year
18 18:30:00 Morasique i remember that, i mentioned i was sitting right next to voodoo while you were in the same lab
18 19:41:00 rr72 Blazeix~ i slept through it as well
18 19:41:00 rr72 my mom said there was damage in terre haute, er she heard. idk though
18 19:42:00 Morasique Mishtal and Mishta1 look the same in my font, I stared at them for like 30 seconds trying to figure out how Mishtal was in here twice
18 19:43:00 Mishta1 im sorry Morasique, i didnt mean to confuse you with my ability to clone myself
18 19:43:00 Morasique i was convinced hacking and maybe black magic were involved
18 19:44:00 tommost sprinkles fairy dust around for effect
18 19:45:00 Morasique is glad tommost has fairy dust around for these occasions
18 19:45:00 rr72 wtf?! lmao
18 19:46:00 rr72 college kids are CRAZY
18 19:46:00 Morasique we're all hopped up on linux
18 19:46:00 rr72 word yo
18 19:48:00 rr72 wadup Zeta_RHIT
18 19:48:00 Zeta_RHIT o/
18 19:48:00 Zeta_RHIT fleet battles, hopefully
18 19:49:00 rr72 gl
18 19:53:00 Zeta_RHIT ty
18 20:46:00 Mishta1 I am going to == ima. english wins... sort of
18 21:02:00 rr72 hrm could that be me from my phone?!
18 21:02:00 rr could it?
18 21:54:00 auchter i wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but being hopped up on linux has always worked for me
18 21:54:00 ferrelaj did I miss something, or was that completely random?
18 21:55:00 auchter i'm guessing you missed something
18 21:57:00 rr72 ferrelaj~ yup, def missed something
18 21:57:00 ferrelaj curious
18 23:14:00 Joseph_Preston anyone else having mouse/touchpad issues with the new ubuntu?
18 23:20:00 Blazeix I tried the beta version a while ago and I didn't have any problems.
18 23:21:00 Blazeix What are the issues?
18 23:23:00 Joseph_Preston i fixed my touchpad issues but it still wort recognize my usb mouse
18 23:28:00 auchter in your xorg.conf, is there any input device with a device of /dev/input/mice? if not, try adding one
18 23:33:00 Blazeix it might be useful if you posted your xorg.conf to your webspace, and then linked it for us
18 23:33:00 Blazeix or pastebin it.
19 00:40:00 andy753421 auchter, tommost: find us some batteries for robotics
19 00:41:00 Morasique just hide hamsters on wheels inside each robot
19 01:22:00 Blazeix Zeta_RHI1: you were talking about setting up samba shares earlier, right?
19 01:23:00 Blazeix ubuntugeek just posted an article on it: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-samba-server-with-tdbsam-backend.html#more-374
19 01:46:00 Mishtal is anyone here currently taking ECE 300? i found a homework assignment for that class in the cs lab, and snatched it before the janitor could trash it
19 02:04:00 TBoneULS auchter: do you still have that small external drive i let you borrow?
19 02:26:00 auchter TBoneULS: i had completely forgotten about that
19 02:27:00 auchter TBoneULS: yeah, i do
19 02:27:00 auchter TBoneULS: i've also got a ton of scsi cabels that you let me borrow
19 02:47:00 Morasique the xchat event name for an incoming message is "Channel Message", but if it's highlighted it's "Channel Msg Hilight". I'd like to thank xchat and their obviously strict naming conventions, which just wasted 15 minutes of my life while i tried to figure out why messages to me wouldn't trigger this plugin
19 02:54:00 TBoneULS ya id like that back eventually
19 02:54:00 TBoneULS i dont care so much about the scsi cables
19 02:58:00 auchter TBoneULS: i can bring them by whenever, just let me know
19 03:04:00 TBoneULS bring it by if you have a chance, or bring it to lug
19 03:04:00 TBoneULS its not a huge deal right now
19 03:05:00 auchter ok, i'll bring it thursday
19 11:05:00 tommost auchter: You are responsible for batteries. I am here to nag you. (I e-mailed Kevin; he knows nothing.)
19 11:34:00 auchter tommost, andy753421: what were the specs on the batteries that andy ordered?
19 11:34:00 tommost 40 Amp/hr., 12 v I think.
19 11:37:00 auchter ok, i'll find one in a few minutes, i need to make some coffee first.
19 11:58:00 auchter tommost: ok, now how much do we have in total to spend on batteries?
19 11:58:00 tommost I think that it was $120 or $150 or something. I don't know.
19 11:59:00 auchter in total? that's not good
19 11:59:00 tommost So I realized as I was searching for batteries.
19 12:00:00 auchter http://www.batteriesinaflash.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2664
19 12:00:00 tommost Is there any reason we can't just use car batteries?
19 12:00:00 auchter that's not bad, though we'd have to call monday
19 12:02:00 auchter heh, my connection conked out there
19 12:02:00 auchter tommost: i don't think it'd be a problem if we used deep-cycle batteries
19 12:06:00 auchter tommost: http://www.beiterbattery.com/12v40Bsla.htm
19 12:07:00 auchter oh, awesome, you add them to your cart and they increase in price by $20 each
19 12:13:00 auchter i'd say our best bet is that first link i sent. i'll give them a call monday and see how many they have in stock
19 15:46:00 rr72 povilusr_kaaba~ what up?
19 16:27:00 auchter a challenger appears
19 16:27:00 promiscuouslog huh?
19 16:27:00 Morasique i have a sudden urge to kick luglog and yell "FLAWLESS VICTORY"
19 16:29:00 Morasique or not
19 16:30:00 tommost This conversation would make much more sense in the logs if luglog recorded part/join messages.
19 16:31:00 Morasique yeah, but the log would be a lot more cluttered too
19 16:31:00 povilusr_desktop http://www.loleg.com/blog/2008/04/16/6752/
19 16:32:00 povilusr_desktop ninja suck btw
19 16:34:00 Morasique i actually read a couple of the comments before i realized what i was doing and closed it
19 16:39:00 tommost I was tempted to talk about how it's a stupid analogy here, but the I realized it would be a stupid thing to do.
19 16:39:00 tommost Ooops.
19 17:01:00 auchter so i have this travel mug with a heater and lcd screen built in, but only a cigarette lighter adapter for it
19 17:01:00 auchter an AT power supply + duct tape has allowed me to make use of this at my desk until i get around to doing this properly
19 17:02:00 auchter so my coffee is now kept at 142 degrees
19 17:03:00 auchter my only desire now is that it have a way for me to ssh in and see the temperature, as well as set the temperature...
19 17:04:00 tommost ls is hanging. I don't know what to think.
19 17:05:00 Morasique what are you trying to ls? is it local?
19 17:05:00 tommost My home directory.
19 17:05:00 Morasique my ls hangs all the time when i do it on a network share that's gone down
19 17:05:00 Morasique er. that's odd
19 17:05:00 auchter is your home directory encrypted? ls hangs for me sometimes
19 17:05:00 tommost It has subdirectories that are sshfs shares.
19 17:05:00 Morasique oh, that'll do it
19 17:05:00 auchter ah, that might do it.
19 17:05:00 tommost No, not encrypted.
19 17:06:00 Morasique if it can't stat the subdirectories it'll hang
19 17:06:00 tommost Clearly ls needs to be more robust.
19 17:06:00 auchter i wish there was something better than sshfs
19 17:07:00 auchter i use NFS locally, but wouldn't use it remotely
19 17:07:00 tommost NFS isn't encrypted, is it?
19 17:07:00 auchter no, it isn't (which is why i wouldn't use it remotely)
19 17:07:00 auchter there are ways to tunnel it, but it's hackish
19 17:09:00 tommost OpenVPN?
19 17:11:00 auchter i've not used openvpn, but i know you can use stunnel
19 17:11:00 auchter NFS by default uses UDP, though
19 17:33:00 tommost Is there any way to get sic to not chop off channel names?
19 17:33:00 Morasique what do you mean?
19 17:34:00 tommost If a channel name is more than eight characters long it chops it off at eight.
19 17:34:00 Morasique oh, i never noticed that. although mine does it at 11 characters for some reason
19 17:36:00 Morasique it doesn't look like you can
19 17:36:00 tommost I suppose the suckless.org people would tell me to edit the C and recompile it or something.
19 17:37:00 auchter tommost: i'm looking at the source and can't see anything that would limit it to 8 characters
19 17:37:00 auchter (at least nothing that pops out instantly, i haven't taken a close look yet)
19 17:38:00 auchter possibly line 61, actually
19 17:38:00 Morasique it looks like it's on line 60
19 17:38:00 tommost Mercurial repositories are damn impossible to navigate.
19 17:39:00 tommost I don't care about the changelog, I want a list of files!
19 17:39:00 Morasique line 60 looks like it does it to 12 characters, which is the behavior i get counting the # sign
19 17:39:00 Morasique tommost: http://www.suckless.org/hg.rc/sic/file/a6692d249139/sic.c
19 17:39:00 auchter ah, my line numbering was different
19 17:40:00 Morasique yeah, i figured we're probably talking about the same line though
19 17:40:00 Morasique but yeah, if you change it to %s instead of %-12.12s it should work
19 17:43:00 auchter hey awesome, since when can mplayer play monkey's audio files?
19 19:29:00 Morasique my 376 group is doing the testing for the senior project group making the sodabot. we asked when the group would let us borrow the bot for testing, apparently last week it _caught fire_. that is fantastic
19 19:29:00 tommost OMG. The robotics team needs to outdo them.
19 19:29:00 tommost Our robot needs to EXPLODE!!!
19 19:30:00 auchter our old robot was capable of decapitation. i regret abandoning it.
19 19:34:00 tommost Maybe we should go with Li-ion...
19 19:41:00 Morasique auchter: elaborate
19 19:41:00 Morasique :D
19 19:43:00 auchter Morasique: this was the basis: http://www.bergenrc.com/Twin.php
19 19:43:00 Morasique ooo
19 19:47:00 Morasique blazeix uses windows media player. i just wanted to make sure everyone knows that for when he signs on later
19 19:47:00 tommost gasps
19 19:48:00 tommost I am confused, though. I have only ever seen him use Arch, which I would suspect does not run WMP.
19 19:48:00 tommost *WiMP
19 19:48:00 Morasique he's in a vm i think, or dual booting
19 19:49:00 tommost In a VM it would be acceptable --- who wants to bother installing another program in a VM?
19 19:49:00 Morasique uh oh
19 19:49:00 tommost Blazeix: You have been exposed.
19 19:49:00 Morasique don't worry, i didn't tell them anything about how you love windows media player
19 19:49:00 Blazeix so i hear.
19 19:49:00 Blazeix I should read the logs
19 19:50:00 Morasique this is what happens when you're not in #rhlug all the time. you should work on that
19 19:50:00 Blazeix Yeah, I'm using Windows for waste
19 19:50:00 Morasique i thought you had that working on linux
19 19:51:00 Blazeix I don't even have an irc client installed; I'm using the web interface.
19 19:51:00 Morasique you should try windows irc client. gold
19 19:51:00 Blazeix I got it working under ubuntu and debian, but it segfaults on arch.
19 19:51:00 Morasique so, ubuntu > arch?
19 19:51:00 Blazeix I'm trying to keep the windows footprint as small as possible
19 19:51:00 Blazeix I guess so. For the waste beta at least.
19 20:07:00 Blazeix Does anyone know what/who promiscuouslog was?
19 20:08:00 tommost Hmm... apparently my server just froze up.
19 20:09:00 tommost ...yet it still responds to pings.
19 20:09:00 tommost This makes no sense.
19 20:09:00 Morasique your analysis appears to be wrong :)
19 20:10:00 tommost I can't ssh into it, though.
19 20:10:00 tommost I am extremely confused.
19 20:15:00 auchter gah, people are stupid and they need to learn to walk on the correct side of the road
19 20:16:00 auchter just needed to share that, as i found it astounding that 6 separate people apparently don't know how to walk properly
19 20:17:00 tommost On campus, or off?
19 20:17:00 auchter off
19 20:17:00 tommost I take pride in walking on the roads on campus.
19 20:41:00 povilusr_ mmmmm lost and found hours
19 20:42:00 tommost mmmmmmm SRC weight room
19 20:42:00 Morasique this is an odd conversation
19 20:45:00 tommost Morasique: You ruined it.
19 20:45:00 Morasique i have no idea what i ruined, but i think i'm ok with it
19 21:05:00 Morasique you'd think iait would care that there's been no way to register new mac addresses for almost a year now
19 21:10:00 auchter the registration page kind of works
19 21:11:00 Morasique it does? dna.rose-hulman.edu gives me a 403 page, and iait's website says the tool is down
19 21:12:00 auchter so, that's what i thought, too. but i've seen it work on other people's (tom) computers, but i've never gotten it to work myself
19 21:12:00 Morasique tommost: reveal your secrets
19 21:14:00 ferrelaj_laptop auchter: what's the vimperator key combo to go forward?
19 21:14:00 auchter L
19 21:15:00 ferrelaj_laptop lol. That's so obvious I should have thought of it
19 21:15:00 auchter yeah, that's why i like vimperator, everything's obvious if you use vim
19 21:16:00 ferrelaj_laptop for some reason I couldn't intuit my way into it though
19 21:42:00 povilusr_ " i need to remember the future" yay dor dune
19 21:45:00 auchter ?
19 21:45:00 Morasique i don't even bother to ask anymore
19 21:45:00 povilusr_ quote from the movie
19 21:45:00 povilusr_ its ausome
19 21:45:00 povilusr_ bood
19 21:45:00 povilusr_ book*
19 21:45:00 Blazeix we're watching "children of dune"
19 21:45:00 auchter ah, ok
19 21:45:00 Blazeix that's the context Sam was going for.
19 21:46:00 povilusr_ context is lame
19 21:46:00 Morasique it's a good thing you're here or we would've had a problem
19 21:46:00 Blazeix Just doin' my job
19 21:48:00 povilusr_ i should hire a permanent translater
19 21:49:00 Morasique or you could just go to elementary school
19 21:54:00 auchter yeah, it worked for me
19 21:54:00 povilusr_ fuck that
19 21:55:00 povilusr_ cannot fucking curse in elementry school damnit
19 23:29:00 ferrelaj someone more adept in the ways of IRC care to explain what the stars next to our names are...
19 23:29:00 Morasique ferrelaj: we're all ops
19 23:30:00 Morasique the channel is set to auto-op everyone who joins
19 23:30:00 kleinjt it means we can do this:
19 23:30:00 Morasique :D i considered doing that but decided i didn't feel like rejoining
19 23:31:00 auchter stars? it should definitely be an @ by your name
19 23:31:00 Morasique well, it depends on the client. xchat shows green circles, yellow for voice
19 23:31:00 ferrelaj ah, thanks
19 23:31:00 auchter xchat apparently sucks
19 23:31:00 Morasique hey, at least it's not stars :)
19 23:31:00 Morasique i prefer the ascii characters actually
19 23:31:00 auchter good point
19 23:31:00 Morasique i tried irssi a few days ago, it's not half bad
19 23:32:00 auchter yeah, but no icon ripples..
19 23:32:00 Morasique true, that would be an issue
19 23:32:00 Morasique irssi is scriptable too, i could work something out
19 23:32:00 Morasique although it's perl. perl is sad
19 23:34:00 Morasique what, nobody? everyone's just going to let that stand? i expected auchter at least to call me a fool
19 23:34:00 auchter i figured my silence would be more distressing
19 23:35:00 auchter turns out i was right
19 23:35:00 Morasique ok, there was a moment of joy where i thought maybe perl actually was dead
19 23:35:00 Morasique but then you took it away
19 23:36:00 Blazeix Long live Perl 6.
19 23:39:00 Morasique perl 6 is in that fuzzy gray area that means everyone will hate it
19 23:39:00 auchter i've never used/looked into perl 6
19 23:39:00 Morasique it's too crazy for normal people to like, but too sane for perl users to like
19 23:40:00 auchter as long as it still needs a module called English to be usable for normal people, i'll like it
19 23:43:00 Blazeix They basically took all the syntax they were famous for and other languages copied, and changed it.
19 23:43:00 quark Blazeix: is your name in honor of 420?
19 23:44:00 Blazeix no
19 23:44:00 quark oh
19 23:44:00 quark damn
19 23:44:00 quark it should be
19 23:44:00 Blazeix I just had to ask a druggie what the relevance is.
19 23:44:00 auchter sixteen minutes to go
19 23:44:00 povilusr_ ha ha
19 23:45:00 Morasique sadly i have no druggies on hand at the moment
19 23:45:00 auchter well, 4 hours 35 minutes rather
19 23:45:00 povilusr_ ?
19 23:45:00 povilusr_ it starts at midnite, dont wory
19 23:49:00 povilusr_ how many ceritops on a triceritops
19 23:49:00 povilusr_ how many corns on a unicorn?
19 23:49:00 povilusr_ ask google and you shal see
19 23:49:00 Morasique obviously povilusr has gotten started a little early
19 23:50:00 povilusr_ NO
19 23:50:00 povilusr_ drugs are bad
19 23:50:00 povilusr_ dont do drugs
19 23:50:00 Morasique mmm. ok
19 23:50:00 povilusr_ dare to resist drugs
19 23:51:00 auchter and violence. don't forget violence
19 23:51:00 Morasique what is violence is my anti-drug?
19 23:51:00 Morasique s/is/if
19 23:51:00 povilusr_ weed is my antidrug
19 23:51:00 auchter "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
20 00:19:00 ferrelaj http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=5290348&ord=8
20 00:20:00 ferrelaj courtesy of Mishtal
20 00:20:00 auchter excuse me sir, is that a link to digg?
20 00:20:00 Morasique there's quite a few of these on youtube
20 00:21:00 Morasique http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/03/04/8014284.aspx
20 00:21:00 ferrelaj morasique: fine. Ruin my fun
20 00:22:00 Morasique i thought i was greatly increasing it, actually
20 00:22:00 ferrelaj poitn
20 00:22:00 ferrelaj **piont
20 00:22:00 Morasique good job
20 00:22:00 ferrelaj **POINT
20 00:22:00 Zaszamonde fail
20 00:22:00 Morasique indeed
20 00:22:00 ferrelaj since I can't spell
20 00:22:00 auchter is that you, povilus?
20 00:24:00 Zaszamonde povilus wouldn't have tried to correct himself
20 00:25:00 Morasique povilus is too drunk to know where the internet is i suspect
20 00:25:00 auchter the internet is a big place, i'm not sure that's possible
20 00:36:00 povilusr_ ?
20 00:36:00 povilusr_ no bbooze tonite
20 00:36:00 povilusr_ dune
20 00:53:00 auchter http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kernel_modesetting&num=4
20 00:54:00 Morasique wow. i want it
20 00:54:00 auchter i do too.
20 00:54:00 auchter i also want a 1920x1200 framebuffer, something i haven't been able to do on my laptop yet
20 00:55:00 Morasique i couldn't get mine to change at all, blazeix has his at 1024 i think
20 00:55:00 Morasique i keep meaning to look at how he did it, he told me but i messed it up somewhere
20 00:55:00 Morasique i ended up with no text showing up
20 00:56:00 auchter i was running mine at 1280x1024, but it was flaky so i don't use it anymore
20 00:56:00 auchter native resolution framebuffer would be glorious... the ps3 supports it and it's rather nice
20 03:52:00 Morasique there's a package in hardy heron called chntpw that lets you change the password of a windows nt install. that amuses me
20 03:52:00 Morasique windows nt = 2000, xp, maybe vista
20 13:14:00 rr72 hrm anyone notice the channel is invite only?
20 13:14:00 rr72 how can everyone join then?
20 13:15:00 Morasique er. when did that happen?
20 13:17:00 auchter 15:55 -!- mode/#rhlug [+i] by rr72
20 13:17:00 Morasique :D oh
20 13:17:00 rr72 Morasique~ check it out
20 13:17:00 Morasique what am i checking out?
20 13:17:00 Morasique er. wtf?
20 13:17:00 Morasique i believe you, stop changing the mode
20 13:18:00 rr72 Morasique~ hold on a sec chill the fuck out
20 13:18:00 rr72 fuck you
20 13:18:00 rr72 i do not like you at all
20 13:18:00 Morasique i'm picking up on that
20 13:18:00 Morasique :'(
20 13:18:00 auchter i wonder if he's picking up on anything
20 13:18:00 kleinjt good job, now you scared him off :(
20 13:18:00 Morasique i'm not entirely certain what i did, but i imagine he'll be back
20 13:19:00 auchter oh, he will.
20 13:19:00 kleinjt what will we do in the meanwhile, this channel is empty without him, our lives are meaningless
20 13:19:00 kleinjt oh, we could send out the boards. how is that going auchter?
20 13:20:00 auchter Status: SCREENING, Est. Shipping Date: 4/23/2008
20 13:21:00 kleinjt seriously? awesome
20 13:21:00 auchter yeah, they're 80% done, apparently, just applying the silkscreen. no idea why it will take 3 days for them to do that and ship, though
20 13:22:00 tommos1 THREE DAYS‽ It will be three days until it can move?
20 13:22:00 tommos1 This has taken far too long.
20 13:22:00 auchter you'll get over it
20 13:22:00 Morasique i suspect 20% of that was actual concern and 80% was wanting to use a ‽
20 13:23:00 auchter or maybe not, because this is just the h-bridge without any logic
20 13:23:00 tommos1 Have you made any progress on the programming-the-PIC front?#rhlug : 04/20/08 17:23 <auchter> i've got some code that will probably work, but no programmer... kleinjt: you want to build a pic programmer today?
20 13:24:00 kleinjt auchter: I'll look into it, will you be able to etch boards?
20 13:24:00 auchter i was thinking protoboard
20 13:24:00 kleinjt mmkay, and one more time because I forgot, what pic were you using?
20 13:24:00 auchter pic16f690
20 13:25:00 auchter http://home.pacbell.net/theposts/picmicro/
20 13:25:00 auchter that's the software i use, however i'm not seeing any DIY options
20 13:28:00 tommos1 I get serous mixed messages from that page.
20 13:28:00 kleinjt we could clone an olimex programmer, sparkfun tends to post the schematics of them
20 13:28:00 tommos1 PIC ... my brother died ... pic pic pic ... firefox better than IE ... Linux better than windows ... windows sucks, bill gates is evil ... spam is bad.
20 13:29:00 kleinjt http://www.olimex.com/dev/images/pic-pg1-sch.gif <-- may work
20 13:30:00 kleinjt It does not list support for the pic16f690 though..
20 13:32:00 auchter i'm pretty sure that's mostly a function of the software you use (the ICSP interface is the same throughout the pic line)
20 13:32:00 kleinjt Ok, well, it looks simple enough then.
20 13:33:00 kleinjt we could likely use 3904s instead of their funny NPN transistors
20 13:33:00 auchter yeah, we should have all of those parts in the lab (maybe not the bc337, but we could probably find something similar)
20 13:34:00 auchter i won't be able to stay for too long today, but we should be able to get this done
20 13:34:00 kleinjt auchter: ok, I can bring some transistors if it would get us started faster
20 13:35:00 auchter ok
20 13:35:00 auchter i'm actually going to head over now
20 13:37:00 kleinjt I'm heading over now
20 14:20:00 tommost Mwahahaha.
20 14:21:00 Morasique hugs luglog
20 16:10:00 povilusr_kaaba http://vidslib.com/social/advertising_war.html
20 16:27:00 auchter povilusr_kaaba: i want a bentley now
20 16:37:00 Mishtal lol..
20 17:47:00 tommost andy753421, auchter, ferrelaj, kleinjt: I have restructured the wiki a bit (removed Kevin's silly namespacing) and migrated all of the Software Trac stuff to it.
20 17:47:00 ferrelaj tommost: awesome
20 17:47:00 andy753421 tommost: :)
20 17:48:00 auchter who's presenting thursday
20 17:49:00 Morasique i think we had a rule where whoever asks that volunteers
20 17:49:00 auchter i don't think that was ratified by a 2/3 majority
20 17:49:00 Morasique damn. somebody second it, quick
20 17:49:00 andy753421 auchter: I think what Morasique was saying is that he want's to hear another presentation on Plan9
20 17:49:00 Morasique .....wait
20 17:50:00 Morasique stupid chanserv
20 17:50:00 tommost Someone needs to update the presentations wiki page... it doesn't include recent presentations.
20 17:50:00 andy753421 who's the secretary?
20 17:50:00 andy753421 Blazeix: ?
20 17:50:00 Morasique yes
20 17:51:00 Morasique blames blazeix for all wiki problems
20 17:51:00 tommost blames Andy and Blazeix both
20 17:51:00 Morasique blames [^Morasique[
20 17:51:00 Morasique ]. fail
20 17:52:00 tommost You mean (? !Morasique)
20 17:52:00 tommost (Without the space.)
20 17:52:00 auchter we have nothing to blame but blame itself
20 17:52:00 andy753421 (Morasique)@! if you use vim :)
20 17:52:00 tommost (Sometimes automatic interrobangation gets in the way.)
20 17:52:00 tommost andy753421: Who does that?
20 17:52:00 Morasique indeed
20 17:53:00 tommost Morasique: What do you use?
20 17:53:00 Morasique emacs if i need to, but usually i use a gui editor
20 17:53:00 Morasique editra for code
20 17:54:00 auchter heathen.
20 17:54:00 Morasique i'm sorry :). i'm not particularly attached to either, they're too painful to use
20 17:59:00 tommost auchter: The electronics team now has a TODO: https://project.rhitrobotics.org/mw/UGVProject:Electronics_TODO
20 18:01:00 Blazeix About the meetings, the past couple presentations haven't really had uploadable things.
20 18:01:00 Morasique lies
20 18:01:00 Blazeix I mention what the topic was in the meeting notes, but I haven't been uploading anything.
20 18:01:00 Blazeix I can make a similar note on the presentation page, though.
20 18:02:00 andy753421 hmm.. we should make pages anyway, maybe the glaring red link will be a remainder for people to upload stuff
20 18:02:00 Morasique glares at auchter with all the fury of a red link
20 18:04:00 auchter i can upload my plumbing configs and such
20 18:05:00 Morasique that's not a bad idea
20 18:05:00 Blazeix I volunteer Morasique to a presentation on cool ZSH tricks.
20 18:05:00 auchter seconded.
20 18:05:00 tommost Aside from uploading things, I was trying to get at the way there are still entries in the "Presentation ideas" list that have been done. Also, the page makes it look like there haven't been any presentations since Feb.
20 18:05:00 Blazeix *to do a*
20 18:05:00 tommost Morasique: seconded
20 18:07:00 Blazeix tommost: I'll fix the Presentations page
20 18:07:00 tommost presses F5
20 18:08:00 auchter while true; do wget http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Presentations/; done
20 18:08:00 Morasique when i did that i got threatened with iptables
20 18:11:00 tommost kleinjt: https://project.rhitrobotics.org/mw/UGVProject:Electronics_TODO
20 18:11:00 auchter kleinjt: he's singling us out
20 18:12:00 kleinjt auchter: I saw that reading through the log, I think they are on to us
20 18:12:00 tommost You keep forgetting all the stuff that you need to do.
20 18:14:00 kleinjt auchter: all further communication should be through encrypted short burst freespace optical communication, I don't feel safe discussing it here any more, is there a clear line of sight between BSB roof and the village quarter?
20 18:14:00 auchter kleinjt: i looked into it earlier this year, the elevation differences are easily overcome, it's just this issue of the trees
20 18:15:00 kleinjt auchter: we just need a powerful enough laser then. either to do cloud bounces, or burn through the trees
20 18:16:00 tommost I'm ahead of you here; please note the last item on that list.
20 18:16:00 kleinjt Yes, but your ranking is off. Lasers are not optional.
20 18:21:00 Blazeix kleinjt: can you please upload your Python Tricks presentation to the wiki?
20 18:21:00 Blazeix damn.
20 18:32:00 tommost auchter: I gave the hardware people a TODO as well. Feel free to improve it as you see fit.
20 18:34:00 kleinjt software team todo: 1) write code to make robot not hit things using camera. 2) write code to let the robot hit things by moving motors. 3) make the computer work
20 18:34:00 kleinjt did I miss anything?
20 18:35:00 tommost Prerequisites to software team todos: 1) everything on hardware's list; 2) everything on the electronics list.
20 18:35:00 tommost Get crackin'.
20 18:35:00 kleinjt eh? you can do camera stuff
20 18:35:00 kleinjt er.. maybe not
20 18:36:00 tommost Sort of. But it's hard to test it when we have no mobile power source.
20 18:36:00 tommost We are working on that, though.
20 18:36:00 kleinjt What type of power does the camera take?
20 18:36:00 tommost Power over Ethernet.
20 18:37:00 tommost I'm not sure what your going to do about that.
20 18:37:00 tommost You may just want to use an inverter --- it would simplify the computer and camera power issues.
20 18:37:00 tommost As well as make it easy to slap anything else we might need on.
20 18:39:00 kleinjt I don't think anything else on the robot takes the same voltage as power over ethernet
20 18:39:00 tommost Yeah, plus the PoE adapter we have takes AC directly, IIRC.
20 18:40:00 kleinjt sorry, I misunderstood. inverter on the robot, ok
20 18:41:00 kleinjt that scares me a little
20 18:41:00 tommost I was afraid of that.
20 18:41:00 tommost But, whatever. It's you're job to figure out how all this is supposed to work.
20 18:41:00 tommost My only requirements are that it does work and that it does so soon.
20 18:41:00 tommost Where soon is < 2 weeks.
20 18:43:00 kleinjt I don't see the camera we are using on the wiki, does that exist anywhere?
20 18:43:00 tommost I'm working on adding it.
20 18:44:00 tommost It's an Elphel 353, IIRC.
20 18:44:00 tommost http://wiki.elphel.com/index.php?title=353
20 18:47:00 kleinjt It does not describe what sort of power it wants :/
20 18:47:00 tommost Power over Ethernet.
20 18:48:00 kleinjt So there is no other place we can plug in power at a easier to acquire voltage? Mmkay.
20 18:48:00 auchter yeah, 48V will be fun
20 18:48:00 tommost Recall that there is one port on this camera: Ethernet.
20 18:48:00 auchter though i'm sure that it will work on a lower voltage
20 18:49:00 auchter i'd try giving it 12V and see how it works
20 18:49:00 tommost You have to be $1,000 sure.
20 18:49:00 kleinjt or we emailed them and asked sure..
20 18:49:00 auchter kleinjt: alright, go ahead
20 18:49:00 kleinjt auchter: nah, I'd rather be $1000 sure
20 18:50:00 kleinjt lets take it apart and see what sort of power supply it has
20 18:50:00 auchter that does sound like more fun...
20 18:50:00 auchter plus, it's easier than talking to them
20 18:50:00 kleinjt auchter: alright, go ahead
20 18:51:00 auchter i would feel bad taking all the fun, you do it
20 18:51:00 kleinjt auchter: no, I'm ok, really. I'm having a blast studying right now
20 19:07:00 tommost auchter: Have you gotten a quote for the GPS yet?
20 20:02:00 tommost andy753421, auchter: I'm going to send out an e-mail notifying everyone of the TODO lists on the wiki, all right?
20 20:03:00 andy753421 tommost: sure
20 20:07:00 tommost Has anyone else had trouble sending Rose e-mail from an address with the form "first.m.last@rose..."?
20 20:26:00 Mishtal im pretty sure that that isnt the format..
20 20:26:00 Mishtal the format should be last.MI.first@rose
20 20:27:00 tommost Mishtal: Distinction without difference. It's a middle initial. There's only one character regardless.
20 20:28:00 Mishtal no
20 20:28:00 Mishtal there is a big distinction
20 20:28:00 Mishtal when a persons last name isnt the same as their first name
20 20:28:00 Morasique tommost: well, if you're trying to send an e-mail from the wrong address that would explain the problem
20 20:28:00 tommost It's not the wrong address; it has worked before.
20 20:29:00 tommost thomas.w.most@rose...
20 20:29:00 Mishtal im fairly certain that Michaelzj
20 20:29:00 Mishtal isnt an address im allowed to use
20 20:29:00 Mishtal hmm
20 20:29:00 Mishtal i may be misinformed then
20 20:29:00 tommost It stopped working about two weeks ago.
20 20:29:00 Morasique can you send to it?
20 20:29:00 tommost While mosttw@rose... still works.
20 20:30:00 tommost Yes.#rhlug : 04/21/08 00:34 <tommost> brb
20 21:40:00 Morasique the fact that things like this are not only possible but intuitive are why this OS is awesome: mpc playlist | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' | dmenu | grep -o "[0-9]*)" | sed 's/)//' | xargs mpc play
20 21:40:00 tommost That does not look intuitive to me.
20 21:41:00 Morasique well, it was :). i wrote it in one string almost right the first time, i just forgot the xargs at the end
20 21:44:00 auchter Morasique: hey, i did that first
20 21:45:00 Morasique lies
20 21:45:00 auchter everyone ignored me, though.
20 21:45:00 Morasique well, that happens. i'm cool
20 21:45:00 Morasique ...
20 21:46:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-01.log#line-241
20 21:49:00 auchter i like having the log to back me up
20 21:49:00 Morasique damn you luglog!
20 21:49:00 Morasique besides, mine is way cooler, because it's longer
20 21:49:00 Morasique :)
20 21:50:00 tommost Too late, Morasique.
20 21:50:00 Morasique yours adds to a playlist, mine switches the currently playing song
20 21:50:00 Morasique tommost: i know, i'm going to keep doing it everytime luglog annoys me
20 21:50:00 auchter i haven't even used mpd for some time now... i've just been using mplayer
20 21:50:00 Morasique i have a zenity call that does the same thing, but sadly zenity won't let me type part of a song title to jump to it, while dmenu will
20 21:50:00 tommost The log for this is going to look confusing until it includes moderator actions.
20 21:51:00 auchter i essentially never switch songs, so i wouldn't have a use for that
20 21:51:00 Morasique i always switch songs, and i love mpd, it makes me happy inside
20 21:52:00 auchter i listen to albums in their entirety, so i just cd into the directory and do an mplayer *
20 21:59:00 Morasique i just realized that i'm sufficiently colorblind that auchter and tommost look identical in the logs, i keep getting confused reading your conversations
20 21:59:00 tommost Yeah, I've been wanting to fix that for a while.
20 21:59:00 Morasique your names should be different lengths. one of you is going to have to switch, sorry
20 21:59:00 tommost Trouble is, the server admin hates me.
20 21:59:00 Morasique rr72 is similar too, but i can tell him apart 'cause he's shorter
20 22:01:00 auchter i blame the overly complex algorithm that's being used
20 22:01:00 Morasique i blame luglog
20 22:02:00 auchter /leave/
20 22:03:00 tommost auchter: How would you do it?
20 22:03:00 Morasique i recall suggesting static colors like 9 or 10 times
20 22:03:00 Morasique dibs on zeta's if we do that, btw
20 22:03:00 tommost I intend to implement that.
20 22:04:00 tommost But we still need random colors for when we run out of static ones.
20 22:04:00 auchter aren't you using md5 to hash the names?
20 22:04:00 tommost Yes.
20 22:04:00 Morasique i was really hoping you were going to deny me saying that so i could break out luglog links
20 22:04:00 Morasique oh well
20 22:05:00 Morasique although speaking of luglog links, you should do that. :)
20 22:05:00 tommost Specifically, I was going to give Auchter some icky color so that I could keep my nice shade of blue.
20 22:05:00 Morasique sounds fair
20 22:05:00 Morasique i suggest white
20 22:05:00 tommost I was also going to change yours, since yours is kind of difficult to read since Andy removed the background color from the stylesheet.
20 22:06:00 Morasique what was the background color?
20 22:06:00 tommost Dark gray.
20 22:06:00 Morasique ah
20 22:06:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/2008-03.log#line-2040
20 22:06:00 tommost auchter: I do remember you saying that.
20 22:06:00 tommost No need for a link.
20 22:07:00 Morasique i remember being thoroughly amused by "MT is more fun to not implement myself."
20 22:07:00 tommost Thank you.
20 22:08:00 Morasique i should be doing homework. i stupidly wrote an xchat plugin to show a gnome alert with the text everytime somebody says something in #rhlug, so now it's impossible for me to ignore the channel
20 22:09:00 tommost laughs
