01 12:39:00 Morasique i'm going to say something so the march luglog starts, my script that pulls the recent log isn't working anymore
02 01:52:00 andy753421 i thought of another project the lug should work on ;)
02 01:53:00 andy753421 make a filesystem (fuse or 9p or something) that would be a merge of sshfs and rsync
02 01:54:00 andy753421 so basically, you would mount a remote filesystem and then it would store cached versions of recently used files so you could access the while offline
02 01:58:00 tommost That would be useful.
02 01:59:00 tommost It seems like you'd run into nasty merging problems when doing it at the filesystem level, though.
02 01:59:00 andy753421 (there should also be some basic merge control for if it's mounted twice at the same time)
02 01:59:00 andy753421 er, yea
02 01:59:00 andy753421 I don't think it would be to big of an issue, i think you would have more control at the filesystem level
02 02:00:00 andy753421 also, i don't know of any other way to do it
02 02:13:00 tommost Well, I mean, versus doing it at the application level, like a version control system.
02 02:17:00 tommost At that level you have access to a user interface.
02 02:27:00 andy753421 you have access to a user interface at the filesystem level to (for example, the afs tools)
02 02:27:00 tommost True.
02 02:28:00 andy753421 doing it at the application level could be hard because you coundn't really have non existant files show up (non-local that is)
02 02:28:00 andy753421 with fuse or something you can just fake it
02 02:29:00 tommost I suppose. It would be useful to say, "cache everything less than 50 MB, but omit everything that ends with .pyc".
02 02:29:00 tommost Maybe we want svnfs.
02 02:30:00 andy753421 yep, it'd also be nice to say 'cache everything here and only 50 Mb there, and the last 3 file there"
02 02:32:00 andy753421 i'm not sure what that is, but i wouldn't really want any sort of version control
02 02:32:00 tommost It would be nice to be able to say "create every file with a name ending in .pyc as temporary files in /tmp/".
02 02:33:00 tommost Yeah, that might be a bit much.
02 02:33:00 andy753421 (i'd also want it to be fast, which i don't think svn is..)
02 02:33:00 tommost gitfs, then.
02 02:35:00 andy753421 i don't think git would count for that either, also, having to do a commit every time a file changes would suck
02 02:35:00 tommost True.
02 02:36:00 tommost But you'd need that sort of thing to be done every time you mount the filesystem to the remote source if there were conflicts.
02 02:37:00 andy753421 what sort of thing?
02 02:38:00 andy753421 just check mtimes or use the rsync algorithm whenever you do a file access/write
02 02:39:00 tommost I thought that part of the point of this was to enable you to work with files on the system when you don't have a network connection. You'd need some sort of merge system in case things get out of sync.
02 02:40:00 andy753421 yea, you'd have to merge stuff, but I don't think that would be overly difficult, and it wouldn't really be a 'commit' as much as simply a 'merge'
02 02:41:00 tommost You probably also want a way to mark files as read-only, so that you could, say, have your MP3 collection mounted as read-only when you don't have a network connection, meaning that you avoid the possibility of modification (of metadata, say) for those files.
02 02:46:00 tommost When you mount a filesystem in Linux the r/rw flag is filesystem-wide, isn't it?
02 02:47:00 tommost There is already a cvsfs-fuse.
02 02:47:00 andy753421 tommost: generally i think so
02 02:48:00 andy753421 although, if you write your own fs, you can pretty much do what you want
02 02:48:00 tommost Is there a way to mark files as read-only, like in Windows, or would you want to fail opening files in a modification-capable mode?
02 02:49:00 andy753421 tommost: hu? (chmod a-w?)
02 02:50:00 tommost smacks self in head.
02 13:52:00 povilus-desktop if we wanted to connect to the appartment below us, and they are on 192... and we are on 10... and we have in our router a 3rd network card that has ip 192.168.0.10 shouldent the only things we need to get to there computers down stairs is a rout that looks like:
02 13:53:00 povilus-desktop 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.10 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth2
02 13:53:00 povilus-desktop 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2
02 13:53:00 povilus-desktop 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.10 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth2
02 13:53:00 povilus-desktop 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2
02 13:53:00 povilus-desktop sry 2 copies
02 17:13:00 andy753421 you don't have any non-gateway hosts on 192.168.
02 17:13:00 andy753421 which means you can't get any traffic there. (0.1 needs access to 0.10, but 0.10 needs access to 0.1)
02 17:15:00 andy753421 also, i don't think you can gateway a gateway
02 18:48:00 auchter http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?/input_devices/ocz_prepares_neural_impulse_actuator_for_shipping_next_week/1
02 18:48:00 auchter definitely buying one of those as soon as linux drivers are available.
02 18:51:00 andy753421 seems kind of shady
02 18:52:00 andy753421 and maybe a bit useless for anything other than gaming
02 18:53:00 auchter well, if people spend enough time to develop working drivers for it, it's probably going to work at least a bit
02 18:54:00 andy753421 assuming it's real, have you seen any other articles about that?
02 18:54:00 auchter and i think it would have applications besides gaming, even being able to scroll without moving would be cool
02 18:55:00 auchter there are a few other articles if you google for ocz nia
02 18:57:00 auchter http://youtube.com/watch?v=BKd_AJUUT7Q
02 19:00:00 andy753421 well, when I see it in person, or see a peer reviewed article, i'll believe it
02 19:01:00 auchter i don't really doubt that at least a basic level it would be able to control firing and such
02 19:01:00 andy753421 perhaps, but it seems a bit strange to me that a memory manufacture would be able to so easily make a mind reader when people have been trying to do that for how long?
02 19:02:00 andy753421 have you seen any articles about how it actually works? (what it actually detects?)
02 19:04:00 andy753421 oh, there's a slashdot article on it, i'll have to read that
02 19:05:00 auchter http://www.legitreviews.com/article/475/1/
02 19:05:00 auchter that's about as detailed as i've found
02 19:05:00 auchter time will tell whether this thing is worth it or not
02 19:05:00 andy753421 wow, showcased by hot girls, seems so legitimate..
02 19:06:00 auchter if what was in the video i linked to you was a hot girl, perhaps you should invest in some glasses ;)
02 19:06:00 andy753421 well, that was true, but you also couldn't see his left hand ;)
02 19:07:00 auchter indeed
02 19:07:00 auchter it could have also just been a bot
02 19:09:00 Morasique somebody needs to buy one of those and see if it actually works
02 19:10:00 auchter i'm sure people will, which is why i'm waiting for linux drivers... if it doesn't work, what would be the point of making them?
02 19:17:00 Morasique i think a microsoft joke would be appropriate here
02 19:17:00 Morasique i'm sure they work somewhat, but i mean see if they actually help at all, or if they just get in the way
02 21:00:00 auchter IAIT still hasn't killed off the cadence processes
02 21:03:00 Morasique it's possible they don't know how
02 21:03:00 Morasique Solution: We hit Ctrl+Alt+Del a bunch of times, but nothing happened
02 21:09:00 auchter i'd like to give them at least a little credit...
02 21:09:00 auchter i wonder if someone has made a taskman clone for linux...
02 21:09:00 andy753421 i'm sure kde has
02 21:09:00 crr "qps" is pretty close
02 21:09:00 andy753421 and gnome's got something similar too
02 21:10:00 crr of course, one of the nice things about "ps"/"kill" is that you can run them from the command line, in case it's your GUI that's screwed up
02 21:11:00 auchter believe me, i'm fine with ps/kill/htop, but i thought it'd be funny if there was taskman for linux
02 21:11:00 auchter now i'm wondering what happens running taskman.exe under WINE
02 21:13:00 Morasique taskmgr.exe works, but it only shows WINE processes
02 21:14:00 crr damn! beat me to it :)
02 22:26:00 tommost Does anyone have a DVI to VGA adaptor or a Molex to SATA power adapter that they would be willing to sell/trade/generously give to me?
02 22:44:00 tommost My computer is sad.
03 11:29:00 auchter so it appears that they completely broke phantom.cs and voodoo.cs
03 11:30:00 auchter the ubuntu bootloader was replaced with the stock XP one, and it just reboots while attempting to boot windows
03 11:30:00 andy753421 hahaha
03 11:31:00 andy753421 we'll have to reload grub
03 11:31:00 andy753421 i was wondering why phantom was offline a few days ago
03 11:32:00 auchter you would think they could complete a windows install sucessfully in a reasonable amount of time
03 12:53:00 andy753421 so apparently they though it would be fun to put a bios password on phantom/voodoo and disable booting off of the cdrom
03 12:53:00 Morasique who is they?
03 12:53:00 andy753421 'they'
03 12:53:00 Morasique are you allowed to open it and reset the bios password? that's what i'd do
03 12:53:00 andy753421 net boot still works though, so I guess i'll have to learn how to do that.. and/or try a usb drive
03 13:35:00 ferrelaj Does the LUG have a supply of CAT5 cable? If so, can I get some, and how much would it co$t?
03 16:06:00 Morasique i'm in one of curt's class, this is on the first project milestone assignment: "Submit your essay by email to me (clifton@rose-hulman.edu) as a PDF file. No other formats will be accepted. (I’m looking at you, Word.)"
03 16:07:00 Morasique that's how all CS professors should be
03 16:10:00 tommost I'm looking at the GmailFS source code. The guy that wrote it says that he was new to Python at the time.
03 16:10:00 tommost Representative sample: outbuf = list(" "*readlen)
03 16:14:00 tommost He appears to be allocating a buffer (?)
03 16:18:00 tommost And there are inner classes! For no apparent reason.
03 16:22:00 tommost Anyway, what is planned for Thursday?
03 16:29:00 auchter scripting languages
03 16:30:00 tommost The overview, right? So is there anyone else doing Python with me?
03 16:56:00 crr I can
03 17:06:00 tommost crr: Would you like to?
03 17:58:00 andy753421 The CS Dept would like us to hold another install fest for this quarters OS classes sometime coming up
03 17:58:00 andy753421 sometime next week would work well for them, how does that sound to everyone?
03 17:59:00 andy753421 I figure we'll want to discuss this more on thursday, but i thought it would be pretty easy to hold another since we already have all the docs done
03 18:06:00 tommost Sounds good.
03 19:35:00 auchter andy753422: i saw they had new computers in the OS lab, did they set aside any for plan 9?
03 19:35:00 auchter and old ones, that is
03 19:35:00 andy753422 i think they were planning to, but I didn't have a chance to ask McLeish
03 19:40:00 auchter i was going to ask him about it, but i didn't see him at all today
03 19:42:00 andy753422 yea, i heard he was here over the weekend quite a bit so maybe he left early
03 20:19:00 tommost How long has OpenOffice.org been able to open docx files?
03 21:17:00 ferrelaj tom, do you still need a molex to SATA power adaptor?
03 21:33:00 andy753421 auchter: have you had any problems with slock where when it unlocks it doesn't release the keyboard/mouse?
03 21:33:00 andy753421 (so you have to ctrl-alt-f1 and pkill slock)
03 22:06:00 Morasique it's nice to see ubuntu has its priorities straight: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125
03 22:07:00 andy753421 as does gentoo: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727
03 22:09:00 Morasique ubuntu is pretty jealous of gentoo's clear lead in the cow ASCII depiction area
03 22:13:00 tommost ferrela2: Yes.
03 22:20:00 ferrela2 tommost: I have one you can have
03 22:20:00 tommost That would be great.
03 22:21:00 tommost How can I get a hold of it?
03 22:21:00 ferrela2 when would the most convenient time for you to acquire it be?
03 22:22:00 tommost Pretty much anytime I don't have class... lunch at 11:40?
03 22:23:00 tommost Or I could drop by the CS lab sometime.
03 22:30:00 auchter andy753421: no, i've never had that problem... could it be your autolocking program doing that?
03 22:32:00 tommost ferrela2: Failing any of that, you could just bring it to the LUG meeting.
04 08:15:00 andy753421 auchter: perhaps, i'm not sure
04 08:36:00 povilusr i hate all camus e-mails
04 08:37:00 povilusr i also hate being awake
04 10:02:00 collinjc Apparently we no longer have Linux installed as a partition on the lab computers.
04 10:02:00 collinjc Instead, they are setting that up as a virtual machine.
04 14:08:00 andy753421 :w
04 14:58:00 povilusr is there a win dir stat like application for linux, il even take text based i just need to find large files/directories
04 14:59:00 andy753421 what does win dir stat do?
04 15:00:00 andy753421 (maybe du?)
04 15:00:00 povilusr http://windirstat.info/images/windirstat.jpg
04 15:02:00 andy753421 there's some gnome thing that does that, let me see if I can find it
04 15:04:00 andy753421 http://library.gnome.org/users/baobab/stable/baobab-usage.html.en
04 15:31:00 Zeta_RHIT wow, the weather is total crap now O.o
04 15:31:00 tommost Yeah, it's crazy.
04 15:31:00 tommost I'm not even sure what to call the "rain" we've been getting.
04 15:32:00 Zeta_RHIT I almost spun out twice in the rose parking lot :(
04 15:32:00 Zeta_RHIT slush
04 15:32:00 tommost Yikes.
04 15:32:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah... civic != good for snow :P
04 15:35:00 shadghost crappy ea?
04 15:35:00 octavious freezing rain
04 15:35:00 shadghost 31.0 F : -0.6 C here
04 15:35:00 shadghost so a nice warm day
04 15:36:00 octavious puts about a 1/2 inch of slush on the ground
04 15:36:00 shadghost ok
04 15:36:00 shadghost you win
04 15:36:00 shadghost untill we get the -10 + 15 mph wind with 30 peak
04 15:39:00 shadghost wishes that he did not get a 1st gen eee, now wants a 9 inch screened eee
04 15:52:00 tommost shadghost: Are those out yet?
04 15:53:00 shadghost at cebit
04 17:29:00 povilusr thanks andy thats what i needed
04 17:34:00 octavious gotta love: while true; do finch; done
04 17:36:00 povilusr andy i have:
04 17:36:00 povilusr route add net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 192.168.1.1 if ethbla
04 17:36:00 povilusr route net 192.168.1.1 if ethbla
04 17:37:00 povilusr i missing somehing in the seccond command waht host do i use?
04 17:39:00 povilusr 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.10 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 eth2
04 17:39:00 povilusr 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2
04 17:39:00 povilusr 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2
04 17:39:00 povilusr is what i have am i still missing somehing or should that work
04 17:51:00 andy753421 the first two lines look weird
04 17:51:00 povilusr ?
04 17:51:00 andy753421 what is the first line for?
04 17:51:00 povilusr im gunna blame it on tbone
04 17:52:00 andy753421 and the second says that you're directly connected to every host in the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet, which is wrong
04 17:52:00 povilusr there are now 0 routes involving eth2 or the 192 network
04 17:56:00 andy753421 try something like:
04 17:56:00 andy753421 route add 192.168.0.1 dev eth2
04 17:56:00 andy753421 route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth2
04 17:56:00 andy753421 tell it to talk directly to the gateway, then tell it to use the gateway to talk to 192.168.0.0/24
04 17:59:00 povilusr the gatway being the eth2 card (.0.10) or the router(.0.1)
04 18:05:00 andy753421 the router
04 18:05:00 andy753421 you dont have to specify your own ip address at all
04 18:06:00 andy753421 if you did that it might get sent to you, then you would forward it back to yourself, and then back to yourself, etc
04 18:07:00 povilusr right now i have:
04 18:07:00 povilusr 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth2
04 18:07:00 povilusr 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2
04 18:07:00 andy753421 i /think/ that will work
04 18:07:00 povilusr and i can ping 192.168.0.10 but not 192.168.0.1
04 18:08:00 andy753421 do a traceroute 192.168.0.1
04 18:08:00 povilusr which is pretty much how it would be if the cable were not even connected
04 18:08:00 povilusr traceroute to 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
04 18:08:00 povilusr 1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 1.067 ms 0.873 ms 0.831 ms
04 18:09:00 andy753421 wait, i thought you couldn't ping 192.168.0.1?
04 18:10:00 povilusr i cannot
04 18:10:00 auchter you just did
04 18:10:00 povilusr yeah
04 18:10:00 povilusr one sec
04 18:10:00 povilusr ithink there router rejects pings
04 18:10:00 andy753421 ok, maybe
04 18:10:00 andy753421 can you ping on of the computers on their subnet?
04 18:11:00 auchter but traceroute works by icmp echoes, just like ping...
04 18:11:00 auchter scratch that, apparently it uses UDP datagrams
04 18:15:00 povilusr the router can ping 192.168.0.102 and 192.168.0.1
04 18:15:00 povilusr but the conputers on our network cannot ping ither
04 18:16:00 andy753421 what does the traceroute from a computer on your network say?
04 18:16:00 povilusr it looks like there router isent liking paackets coming from our network maby?
04 18:16:00 povilusr [root@router ~]# traceroute 192.168.0.102
04 18:16:00 povilusr traceroute to 192.168.0.102 (192.168.0.102), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
04 18:16:00 povilusr 1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 0.746 ms 0.743 ms 0.639 ms
04 18:16:00 povilusr 2 * * *
04 18:16:00 povilusr 3 * * *
04 18:16:00 povilusr 4 * * *
04 18:16:00 povilusr 5 * *
04 18:16:00 povilusr and its still going
04 18:16:00 andy753421 but it does forward, correct?
04 18:17:00 andy753421 (because it's the router attached to the internet?)
04 18:17:00 povilusr their router?
04 18:17:00 povilusr both routers are connected to the internet
04 18:18:00 andy753421 wait a minute..
04 18:19:00 andy753421 well, as a general idea, try /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
04 18:19:00 andy753421 anyway, when you ping from something on your network 10.0.0.??? what does that traceroute say?
04 18:21:00 povilusr ip forward is 1
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS C:Documents and SettingsAdministrator>tracert 192.168.0.102
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS Tracing route to 192.168.0.102 over a maximum of 30 hops
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS 1 2 ms <1 ms 1 ms router.apt.rhit.be [10.0.10.1]
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS 2 * * * Request timed out.
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS 3 * * * Request timed out.
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS 4 * * * Request timed out.
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS 5 * * * Request timed out.
04 18:21:00 TBoneULS thats from a comp on our network
04 18:22:00 andy753421 ok
04 18:22:00 andy753421 povilusr: what are the rest of your routing rules?
04 18:22:00 andy753421 (on 10.0.10.1)
04 18:22:00 povilusr 192.168.0.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth2
04 18:22:00 povilusr 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2
04 18:22:00 povilusr 10.0.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
04 18:22:00 povilusr 24.160.200.0 * 255.255.248.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
04 18:22:00 povilusr default cpe-24-160-200- 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
04 18:23:00 rr72 does win2k support 64bit?
04 18:24:00 auchter rr72: try #windows
04 18:24:00 povilusr yes and no, yes in that all 32 bit os's run on 64 bit machines
04 18:24:00 rr72 jw if anyone knew off top of head
04 18:24:00 povilusr no in that it wont use all 64 bits
04 18:25:00 rr72 then will just find a XP disc laying around house and use that if/when I build new system
04 18:25:00 povilusr linux on the other hand uses all 64
04 18:25:00 rr72 povilus why I asked if windows did, know *NIX does
04 18:27:00 povilusr andy: how are reply packets going to get back it we have not modified thier routing rules
04 18:27:00 andy753421 povilus: that's a good point
04 18:29:00 povilusr so what routing rules would i add to thiers
04 18:29:00 andy753421 like yours but reversed ;)
04 18:29:00 povilusr kk
04 18:30:00 povilusr should that fix it
04 18:30:00 povilusr ?
04 18:30:00 andy753421 i think so
04 18:30:00 povilusr kk il be in and out for like 10 min
04 18:30:00 povilusr were gunna go add those rules
04 18:31:00 andy753421 alright, you can get some debug info using iptables
04 18:33:00 andy753421 iptables --append FORWARD --destination 192.168.0.0/24 --jump LOG
04 18:34:00 andy753421 then stuff will start showing up in dmesg and syslog
04 18:38:00 povilusr cool, isent waht were doing cinda like nat
04 18:38:00 povilusr and id there a way to use nat to do this?
04 18:41:00 andy753421 nope, that's just normal routing, NAT is more complicated, and you /could/ use it, but there'd be no point in doing so
04 18:42:00 andy753421 well, actually, if you did that, it might make it easier to set up the other (not your) router
04 18:43:00 povilusr yeah, were looking at adding individual routs
04 18:45:00 andy753421 if you were doing nat, when a packet gets sent from 10.0.10.123 to 192.168.0.123 your router would change the source address of the packet to itself (192.168.0.10)
04 18:45:00 povilusr ok, we have it so we add a rout to a comuter on there network
04 18:45:00 auchter NAT is a horrible kludge and should never be used unless absolutely necessary... one of the very reasons i'm looking forward to IPv6: there's no need for NAT anymore
04 18:45:00 povilusr and it cann now access shares on our network
04 18:45:00 povilusr but we still cannot access it
04 18:46:00 andy753421 what is 'it'?
04 18:46:00 povilusr the coputer that had the routing rule added locally
04 18:46:00 andy753421 auchter: i still have no idea how routing in ipv6 works..
04 18:47:00 auchter andy753421: nor do i, but 128-bit addresses for sure means that no sane person will use NAT
04 18:47:00 TBoneULS k so here's whats going on: 10.0.10.x can be accessed from 192.168.0.x when we add a static route to 192.168.0.x
04 18:47:00 TBoneULS however, we can't do the inverse: nothing on 10.xxxxx can get to 192.168.0.xxxx
04 18:47:00 TBoneULS thats where we're at right now
04 18:48:00 andy753421 TBoneULS: what is the static route?
04 18:48:00 TBoneULS under windows, heres what i ran:
04 18:48:00 andy753421 did you add anything to the 192.168.0.1 router?
04 18:49:00 TBoneULS C:Documents and SettingsAdministrator>route add 10.0.10.0 mask 255.255.255.0 1
04 18:49:00 TBoneULS 92.168.0.10
04 18:49:00 TBoneULS we can't its a shitty dlink
04 18:49:00 TBoneULS at least not as far as we can tell
04 18:49:00 povilusr we should give them a laptop tbone
04 18:50:00 povilusr with whatsit installed
04 18:50:00 TBoneULS im thinking maybe
04 18:50:00 TBoneULS clarkconnect
04 18:50:00 povilusr they will never knwo the diffrence
04 18:50:00 TBoneULS ya that would make this infinitly easier
04 18:50:00 TBoneULS i think i remembered why we didnt do that initially
04 18:51:00 TBoneULS i dont have too many laptops i can put 3 nics in
04 18:51:00 TBoneULS but we might not need 3
04 18:51:00 TBoneULS we might be able to do it with 2, as long as we have control over the routing tables
04 18:51:00 auchter why not just put a laptop with 2 nics: 1 to your network, and one to theirs
04 18:52:00 auchter there's no reason that it needs to be the router for their internet connection as well
04 18:52:00 andy753421 hm.. if their router is working as a switch, then you might be able to skip using it as a gateway and just send them directly back to the machines
04 18:52:00 auchter although each computer would need another route
04 18:53:00 andy753421 auchter: yea, but it sounds like they were planning on doing that anyway
04 18:54:00 auchter yeah, your method sounds easier, though
04 18:55:00 povilusr our router 10.0.10.1/192.168.0.10 cannot ping the computer that tbone modifyed, the one that had the routing rule added
04 18:55:00 povilusr but it can ping unmodifyed computers
04 18:56:00 andy753421 but the modified computer can ping your router?
04 18:56:00 TBoneULS yes
04 18:56:00 TBoneULS when we try to ping a 192 computer (modified w/ routing rule) i get a response back from xxxx.indy.rr.com
04 18:56:00 TBoneULS so it looks like our router isnt passing it downstairs correctly
04 18:57:00 TBoneULS the modified computer on the 192 side can get to all of the 10.xxx computers
04 18:58:00 andy753421 TBoneULS and povilusr, you're both upstairs on the 10.0 network, right?
04 18:58:00 TBoneULS yes
04 19:02:00 povilusr aucher i will give you 1 shot of glenfiddich anchient reserver single malt scotch whisly, aged 18 years to come over her eand help us fix this
04 19:03:00 TBoneULS lol, also spell much?
04 19:03:00 povilusr thats how i type with th bottle infront of me
04 19:09:00 povilusr and no I'm not drunk
04 19:11:00 povilusr andy i added the iptables rule you segjusted and all it says is:
04 19:11:00 povilusr iptables --append FORWARD --destination 192.168.0.0/24 --jump LOG
04 19:11:00 povilusr er
04 19:12:00 povilusr unknown GRE version 5
04 19:12:00 povilusr unknown GRE version 5
04 19:12:00 povilusr unknown GRE version 5
04 19:12:00 povilusr unknown GRE version 5
04 19:12:00 povilusr divert: no divert_blk to free, pptp0 not ethernet
04 19:12:00 andy753421 povilusr: it says that in dmesg or on the command line?
04 19:12:00 TBoneULS dmesg
04 19:13:00 andy753421 ok, it's probably not doing anything then
04 19:27:00 TBoneULS so we discovered a small problem: the laptop downstairs we were trying to communinicate with decieded to go into standby
04 19:27:00 TBoneULS so
04 19:28:00 TBoneULS but we still can't get windows file sharing to work
04 19:28:00 TBoneULS so
04 19:28:00 TBoneULS how do we create a firewall rule to allow everything etween the networks execpt dhcp?
04 19:29:00 andy753421 TBoneULS: no idea, dhcp's weird
04 19:31:00 TBoneULS okay well how would we go about looking for a rule that is preventing file sharing to go through?
04 19:31:00 andy753421 what rules do you have?
04 19:32:00 andy753421 check the port number first
04 19:33:00 TBoneULS k
04 19:42:00 andy753421 I wonder if anyone's ever written a c compiler for the JVM..
04 19:45:00 povilusr whats the samba port?
04 19:45:00 povilusr 443 or 139
04 19:46:00 andy753421 443 is https
04 19:49:00 povilusr whats an iptables to allow all traffic on the samba port(139) to go bidirectonally between eth1 and eth2
04 19:49:00 povilusr ?
04 19:50:00 povilusr iptables command?
04 19:50:00 povilusr rather
04 19:51:00 povilusr because our default polocy is drop apparently
04 19:51:00 andy753421 is smb udp or tcp?
04 19:52:00 povilusr uh
04 19:52:00 povilusr tcp i think i can just add rules for both
04 19:52:00 andy753421 iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 139 --sport 139 -j ACCEPT
04 19:52:00 andy753421 i think that will work
04 19:53:00 TBoneULS try forwrding 445
04 19:53:00 TBoneULS thats what i found as well as 139 when i looked
04 19:55:00 povilusr how do i remove the default drom rule and add it to the bottom
04 19:55:00 povilusr because right now its going:
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
04 19:55:00 povilusr DROP all -- anywhere anywhere
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp spt:netbios-ssn dpt:netbios-ssn
04 19:55:00 povilusr ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp spt:microsoft-ds dpt:microsoft-ds
04 19:56:00 povilusr its not working and iptables is order dependant
04 20:42:00 povilusr so i added rules like this: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 139 --sport 139 -j ACCEPT
04 20:42:00 povilusr to all the chains for both tcp and udp and 445 and 139 and it still dosent work
04 20:42:00 povilusr all chains as in input output and forward
04 20:42:00 povilusr and it still dosent work, any ideas
04 20:54:00 tommost auchter: The robotics team meeting is over?
04 20:55:00 kleinjt tommost: No, auchter says it isn't over, and some other guy said something about a power cable.
04 20:55:00 tommost I'll be right over. (I just woke up from my nap.)
04 22:31:00 andy753421 lug should do the netflix prize :) we could buy a really nice server with $1,000,000 :D
04 22:46:00 tommost auchter: Magic smoke came from my hard drive.
04 22:51:00 tommost Can you give me some history on that cable?
04 23:03:00 auchter tommost: it was tony's, came with a brand new motherboard he bought
04 23:03:00 auchter was it a 3.5" drive?
04 23:03:00 tommost Yes.
04 23:04:00 tommost It's probably my fault---the cable had a male end, so I bridged it with the male end of my PS's cable. I probably did it wrong.
04 23:09:00 auchter oh, i didn't even notice that it was male molex
04 23:10:00 tommost Yeah, it's weird. What on earth is it supposed to plug into?
04 23:10:00 auchter i have no idea... i had just assumed that it was female as nothing else would make sense
04 23:10:00 auchter unless it was a female sata connector...
04 23:11:00 tommost No, it was male.
05 00:22:00 tommost My drive does indeed appear to be dead.
05 00:25:00 auchter so when you connected the two male molex connectors together, were the plug faces lined up?
05 00:25:00 tommost Yes.
05 00:26:00 auchter that would be the problem
05 00:26:00 auchter one should have been upside down
05 00:26:00 tommost Yeah. If only that cable had been colorized.
05 00:26:00 tommost Silly wrapped cables.
05 00:27:00 auchter indeed. 5V electronics do not like 12V
05 00:28:00 auchter if you really needed the data from the drive, you could always buy another one and swap platters
05 00:30:00 tommost On a 500 GB drive?
05 00:30:00 tommost Well, there is a clean room on campus.
05 00:31:00 tommost But that would void the warranty.
05 00:31:00 tommost It just had music on it, mainly.
05 00:31:00 tommost I can re-rip the critical stuff.
05 00:32:00 auchter good excuse to get more music anyway
05 00:34:00 tommost Yup. Plus those annoying MP3s can be deprecated in favor of FLACs.
05 00:35:00 auchter yeah, ripping into FLAC is so much nicer.
05 00:35:00 auchter being able to transcode to any other format is really helpful
05 00:36:00 tommost Yeah. I've been migrating to it for a while now.
05 00:36:00 tommost I hate that virtually no MP3 players support FLAC, though.
05 00:36:00 tommost (My ancient Rio Karma does, but it doesn't work too well any more.)
05 00:36:00 auchter ipods with linux/rockbox support it
05 00:38:00 auchter but i really don't see the need for FLAC portably
05 00:39:00 tommost Yeah, I always expected to transcode.
05 00:39:00 tommost I just wanted some software that would do it automatically.
05 00:39:00 tommost What's the point of an iPod with rockbox?
05 00:39:00 auchter much better firmware than stock
05 00:39:00 tommost It's just a more-expensive version of any other MP3 player with rockbox.
05 00:40:00 auchter i've only ever used rockbox on a friend's ipod, so that's all i could speak for
05 00:41:00 tommost Actually, come to think of it, I have some music on my Karma.
05 00:41:00 tommost And I can pull it off! Yay for Ethernet ports on everything.
05 00:41:00 auchter that was always an appealing feature of the karma
05 01:20:00 andy753421 octavious: are you still using your cell phone for login stuff?
05 01:21:00 octavious i was
05 01:21:00 octavious until it got dropped in a smoothie
05 01:22:00 andy753421 heh, can you post instruction on how you set that up?
05 01:22:00 andy753421 i just got a new cell phone over break and was thinking about doing that
05 01:23:00 andy753421 did doing that make the battery in the phone die much faster?
05 01:24:00 octavious not that i noticed
05 02:12:00 crr so Andy, I'll be honest - I don't see why you need instructions on setting up the smoothie-mounted cell phone
05 02:31:00 Morasique he probably just hasn't tried it. i had the same setup, there was no configuration at all, i just installed a program and it worked
05 03:22:00 tommos1 Can someone with a Freshman laptop tell me what the output of `xrandr --verbose` is for them?
05 03:22:00 tommos1 Or even a sophomore laptop.
05 10:03:00 ferrelaj-work tommost: sorry that cable anti-worked out for you'
05 11:57:00 auchter tommost: http://rafb.net/p/6U2aGB25.html
05 12:07:00 tommost auchter: Thanks.
05 12:08:00 tommost It complains of a "BadRequest" for me.
05 12:24:00 auchter tommost: i'm using the radeonhd drivers, which might be why
05 12:35:00 tommost Yeah. I can't get those to work.
05 15:16:00 tommost Has anyone here ever used the self-service shipping station?
05 16:40:00 auchter kleinjt: do an update of the motorcontroller directory and take a look when you get a chance
05 16:41:00 auchter the screw terminals are obviously not in good positions, but that's not what we're going to use anyway
05 16:42:00 kleinjt auchter: cool, do you want me to do the driver part?
05 16:42:00 auchter yeah, if you don't mind
05 16:42:00 kleinjt auchter: nope, I'll take a shot at it
05 16:43:00 auchter ok, sounds good. as far as filtering capacitors, i'm not quite sure how big of a deal they are, but they could always be off-board
05 16:43:00 auchter proximity isn't important for those
05 16:44:00 auchter plus, i'd be worried about having them so close to the mosfets
05 16:58:00 tommost Heh, the TSC has a "newtork password change tool."
05 17:10:00 kleinjt auchter: mmkay, I did the driver part and committed it, if you don't see anything majorly wrong with it, I'll start tweaking it and widening traces and whatnot.
05 17:34:00 auchter kleinjt: ok, i'll take a look at it in a minute
05 17:40:00 auchter kleinjt: yeah, looks fine to me
05 17:40:00 auchter though that area under c4 scares me
05 17:41:00 auchter also, switching positions of r18 and r17 might make that area nicer as well
05 17:42:00 auchter maybe move c4 to the area around d17/d20
05 17:44:00 kleinjt I just rerouted the trace going through the middle of c4 to go on the side of it
05 17:45:00 kleinjt but mmkay, uh.. noted
05 17:46:00 Morasique this is one of those conversations that makes me feel stupid, they come up a lot in this channel. it sounds like you two are playing battleship
05 17:54:00 kleinjt auchter: I made and committed the changes you suggested, I'll start widening the traces
05 17:57:00 kleinjt have you found a way of changing trace size en masse?
05 17:57:00 Zeta_RHIT heh, orcad fun?
05 17:58:00 auchter kleinjt: no i haven't
05 17:58:00 auchter Zeta_RHIT: eagle, actually
05 18:03:00 Zeta_RHIT ah, okay
05 18:03:00 Zeta_RHIT I have an orcad model of my chip and an eagle model of my connector :(
05 18:03:00 Zeta_RHIT This is not good
05 18:04:00 auchter i've never used orcad, is that windows only?
05 18:07:00 kleinjt updated, all but two traces are 24 mil+, and everything has 14 mil+ clearance
05 18:09:00 auchter now why does the DRC hate angles? it passed fine before...
05 18:10:00 kleinjt I told it to, feel free to turn that off.
05 18:23:00 auchter kleinjt: apparently anderson isn't selling the pcb mount connectors yet
05 18:31:00 kleinjt auchter: I have mixed feeling about that... so, screw terminals it is?
05 18:37:00 auchter so, depends on what you mean by screw terminals
05 18:39:00 kleinjt something that facilitates the connection of relatively low gauge wire in a reversible manner
05 18:39:00 auchter yes, but there are two general types, the ones on the current board look like ones i'd like to avoid
05 18:40:00 kleinjt ok, I just added the biggest ones in eagle so that we'd have plenty of room for whatever we ended up using
05 18:41:00 auchter ok
05 18:44:00 auchter kleinjt: http://www.powerwerx.com/anderson-powerpoles-accessories/individual-housings-contacts-roll-pins/ found them!
05 20:06:00 andy753421 auchter: is the robotics computer x86 or x86_64?
05 20:07:00 auchter x86_64
05 20:07:00 andy753421 ok
05 20:08:00 auchter starting the debian install tonight?
05 20:08:00 andy753421 yep
05 20:10:00 tommost Don't we want to go with 32-bit in any case? Pysco doesn't do 64-bit.
05 20:10:00 andy753421 stupid python..
05 20:10:00 andy753421 um, maybe?
05 20:10:00 tommost Is there any real advantage to 64-bit?
05 20:11:00 andy753421 speed/address space?
05 20:11:00 tommost Do we have more than 16 GB of RAM?
05 20:11:00 andy753421 well, it's 4Gb that matters
05 20:11:00 andy753421 but I don't know
05 20:12:00 tommost I thought that we had about 2 GB. And isn't the mobo refusing a second stick?
05 20:12:00 andy753421 i'm not really sure
05 20:12:00 tommost auchter?
05 20:13:00 auchter tommost: apparently from everything i've heard, but i haven't tried myself
05 20:15:00 andy753421 auchter/tommost/other: i've never used anything 64bit, can you think of any reasons to use the amd64 version instead of the i386 version?
05 20:15:00 tommost Well, ultimately we should probably test whether 32-bit with Pysco or straight 64-bit is faster.
05 20:15:00 andy753421 tommost: doesn't psycho tend to break things? I remember hearing a bunch of warnings about that a while back when trying to use it with emerge
05 20:16:00 tommost Well, I'm about to switch back to 32-bit from 64-bit on my laptop because of various issues... though most of them don't really apply to the robot.
05 20:16:00 tommost andy753421: I haven't heard that.
05 20:16:00 tommost It's commonly used in production Django setups, for instance.
05 20:18:00 andy753421 http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Speed_up_portage_with_Psyco (warning at the top)
05 20:18:00 andy753421 gentoo folks seem to have a nack for breaking things though..
05 20:20:00 tommost http://psyco.sourceforge.net/psycoguide/bugs.html
05 20:21:00 auchter twice the registers on x86_64 apparently
05 20:22:00 tommost You could break things easily with this one: "you must not add or remove a global variable to shadow or expose a built-in"
05 20:24:00 andy753421 I'm a bit worried about the 'minor points', but I don't really know what they all mena
05 20:25:00 andy753421 also, i'm wondering if the part about not having interrupts is some python tying, or if it means I cant 'kill -15' things anymore
05 20:25:00 andy753421 *thing
05 20:25:00 tommost I think that it means you can't Ctrl-C the interpreter.
05 20:25:00 tommost The second minor point looks tricky.
05 20:27:00 andy753421 but I think CTRL-C is different than a regular keyboard interrupt
05 20:27:00 andy753421 not sure though..
05 20:33:00 tommost Yeah, KeyboardInterrupt's docstring would seem to imply that it is more general than just Ctrl-C.
05 20:35:00 tommost Ctrl-C does produce a KeyboardInterrupt, though.
05 20:38:00 tommost Testing reveals that kill -15 still kills the process when you catch and ignore KeyboardInterrupt.
05 20:38:00 povilus-desktop ieee sucks ass
05 20:39:00 auchter povilus-desktop: why's that?
05 20:39:00 povilus-desktop i copied and pasted the password from the lost password page into the password desktop and it told me my password was wrong
05 20:40:00 auchter ah, i was wondering if it was a more general problem, as i've thought about joining
05 20:40:00 povilus-desktop no, but wait till you take 351 theres no need before then
05 20:40:00 povilus-desktop 361
05 20:40:00 povilus-desktop rather
05 20:40:00 auchter ah, alright
05 20:41:00 andy753421 auchter: but stallman says 'Don't publish papers with the IEEEE!' :P
05 20:41:00 auchter haha, stallman does not control my mind (thankfully)
05 20:42:00 auchter paying for papers does suck though, so i agree with him there.
05 20:43:00 povilus-desktop yeah
05 20:43:00 povilus-desktop atleast digital oned
05 20:45:00 auchter yeah, there were many papers i wanted to read last year as the abstract sounded useful for computer vision, but i was not inclined to pay for them
05 20:53:00 tommost andy753421: You should read this: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/psycoguide/node29.html
05 20:55:00 tommost Note (10) is probably why it's so commonly used in web app development.
05 20:57:00 tommost And the example in (15) seems relevant.
05 20:58:00 andy753421 alright
05 20:59:00 andy753421 i'm going to head over to the lab in a few minutes, but the debian download for i386 is still going
05 20:59:00 tommost I'm heading over now.
05 20:59:00 andy753421 also, do we really even need python to be fast? isn't that what we were planning on using the C API for?
05 21:00:00 andy753421 in which case we would want the C code to be faster instead of the python
05 21:52:00 andy753421 auchter: do you have any idea why the computer wouldn't be sending any data to the VGA port?
05 22:09:00 auchter andy753421: no, i assumed they had tested that...
05 22:10:00 auchter does debian give a serial console?
05 22:12:00 andy753421 i fiddled with the RAM a bit, and it seemed to start working
05 22:12:00 andy753421 we tested it earlier, which is why it supprised me that it wasn't working
05 22:12:00 auchter why is it that robotics computers are always so crazy?
05 22:25:00 Morasique if you've never tried xman before you should check it out. it's like they intentionally made it terrible to show people that text interfaces are the way to go
05 22:28:00 auchter Morasique: i rather like programs that use Xaw... it's clean and readable
05 22:29:00 auchter granted, i still prefer the console version
05 22:31:00 Morasique well, it's less awful now that i discovered ctrl+s lets you search, i thought the only way to get to a man page was to open the directory and drag the scrollbar till you could click on it
06 00:15:00 Blazeix has anyone dealt with programming postscript?
06 00:17:00 auchter Blazeix: i don't think so, though i was considering learning it a while back (sadly never got around to it)
06 00:41:00 Blazeix I'm not going to be able to make tomorrow's meeting. Can someone please take attendance for me?
06 00:45:00 crr I can do it
06 00:52:00 Blazeix thanks
06 04:52:00 koshiie anyone awake
06 04:52:00 andy753421 yep
06 04:53:00 koshiie o_O
06 04:54:00 koshiie would you know how to get maple on ubuntu
06 04:55:00 koshiie are you busy
06 04:57:00 andy753421 um, have you looked at the wiki page?
06 04:58:00 koshiie i've tried twice but it was a while ago
06 04:58:00 koshiie eh hold on i'm going to try something
06 04:59:00 koshiie k, i don't remember ever dling Maple.patch
06 04:59:00 andy753421 ok
06 04:59:00 koshiie i'll try again
06 05:29:00 koshiie "/tmp/install.dir.29465/Solaris/resource/jre/bin/java" -Djava.compiler=NONE -Xmx50331648 -Xms16777216 com.zerog.lax.LAX "/tmp/install.dir.29465/temp.lax" "/tmp/env.properties.29465" when i run that it says syntax error "(" unexpected
06 05:30:00 koshiie eH?
06 05:33:00 andy753421 well, damn
06 05:33:00 andy753421 do you know bash?
06 05:33:00 koshiie no
06 05:33:00 andy753421 ok, then stop by the lug meeting tomorrow and someone will help you with it
06 05:33:00 koshiie like a batch file?
06 05:33:00 koshiie k
06 05:33:00 andy753421 yea, except for unix not windows (and it's better)
06 13:03:00 ferrelaj http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps3/blue-steel.shtml
06 13:03:00 ferrelaj why doesn't rose have a class like this?
06 13:07:00 andy753421 we have a computer graphics class that does 3d stuff
06 13:09:00 andy753421 I don't think they use PS3's though, but I'm not sure if that's what your wanted or not
06 13:12:00 ferrelaj The course is all about programming the PS3, I actually pasted the wrong link. lol. They actually have a whole number of applications that were programmed for the PS3
06 13:14:00 ferrelaj (which was more what I was saying than that actual application)
06 13:15:00 andy753421 we've got a parallel programming class that uses the brain
06 13:17:00 andy753421 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/parallel/HTML/
06 13:41:00 TheRoot andy753421: are you around?
06 14:09:00 andy753421 yo
06 14:09:00 andy753421 i've got to go to class
06 14:09:00 andy753421 i'll be back in a minute
06 14:28:00 andy753421 TheRoot: yes?
06 14:32:00 andy753421 TheRoot: yes?
06 14:32:00 TheRoot when are we going to meet to find a lexer?
06 14:32:00 TheRoot we need it by midnight tomorrow.
06 14:33:00 andy753421 alright, rex seems nice
06 14:33:00 TheRoot could you do 9th & 10th today in the lab?
06 14:33:00 andy753421 10th but not 9th
06 14:56:00 tommost So what's the plan for the presentations at the meeting?
06 14:58:00 povilusr_ im in b 106 right now and the projector image is shacking up and down 1 inch at ~20Hz, its the most anoying thing ever
06 14:58:00 povilusr_ shaking*
06 14:59:00 andy753421 tommost: I wrote the ruby page on the wiki, i figured i would talk about some of that stuff
06 15:00:00 tommost I'm working on a Python equivalent of the Ruby page right now.
06 15:00:00 tommost But I thought that we were going by topic, not by language.
06 15:01:00 andy753421 yep, for today I was planning to talk about history, implementations, uses, philosophy, and then maybe some of the language overview (if there's time)
06 15:02:00 tommost And you're doing shell/bash too?
06 15:03:00 andy753421 i don't know, maybe
06 15:04:00 tommost auchter: Are you ready?
06 15:11:00 auchter tommost: not particularly, but i'm not doing anything until then
06 17:09:00 octavious whats goin on in LUG today?
06 17:10:00 koshiie can't install maple
06 17:10:00 tommost Start of the scripting language series.
06 17:11:00 octavious cool
06 17:12:00 auchter f217 today, f225 is a bit full
06 19:52:00 tommost Does snapshot mode slow down Qemu?
06 19:54:00 andy753421 tommost: not that i've noticed
06 20:46:00 octavious first attempt at using qemu usb host virtualization = fail :(
06 20:46:00 andy753421 yea, that's never worked for me, but I haven't tried much
06 20:47:00 octavious i am going to try with vmware
06 20:47:00 octavious hope to god it works. need it for embedded
06 20:48:00 povilus-desktop virtual box might work
06 20:48:00 povilus-desktop it looked like it would but i had a bad usb cable when i tryed it so i failed
06 20:52:00 octavious one thing i actually thought about was to register for the IDE i had to give my MAC addr
06 20:52:00 octavious and i gave my physical hardware MAC, not the virtualized...
06 20:53:00 octavious maybe there is a way i can make the virtualized mac the same...
06 20:53:00 povilus-desktop yeah i registerd 00:12:3f:b0:0b:1e
06 20:53:00 povilus-desktop because il change whatever mac i need to
06 20:53:00 povilus-desktop he he b00bie
06 20:56:00 octavious hah. classy
06 20:59:00 octavious well this gives me an excuse to test out different virtualization methods
06 21:28:00 rr72_ hey all
06 21:39:00 kleinjt hey
06 22:18:00 Morasique is there a command-line driven video player? i'm looking for something like mpd, but it plays videos in an x-window instead
06 22:24:00 octavious mplayer
06 22:27:00 Morasique mplayer isn't command-line driven though, i can't do like "mplayer pause" and mplayer pauses. i use gnome-mplayer at the moment using its dbus interface, but i'm not a big fan of doing it that way, i'd prefer an mpd-like interface
06 22:28:00 Morasique there may not be a program like i'm looking for, i haven't been able to find one
06 22:33:00 auchter Morasique: you can run mplayer -input file=./somefifo
06 22:33:00 auchter then write commands (mplayer -input cmdlist) to the fifo
06 22:37:00 Morasique auchter: ooo, perfect. thanks
06 22:56:00 Morasique any ideas on when we can do the installfest?
06 23:22:00 octavious i thought tues. was discussed
06 23:23:00 tommost octavious: What are you trying to virtualize?
06 23:24:00 Morasique octavious: it was originally, but then we found out we need to go to the sga meeting on tuesday, so we were going to move the installfest
06 23:24:00 Morasique but we're not sure to when
06 23:26:00 tommost 'cause if it's the USB cable used in ECE 130, I can guarantee that it won't work.
07 00:37:00 octavious tommost: nah, its the programmer for the freescale hc12 chip
07 00:37:00 tommost Did you get it working?
07 00:38:00 octavious not yet. :(
07 00:38:00 tommost What have you tried?
07 00:38:00 octavious qemu, vmware
07 00:38:00 tommost That's what I tried with the Digilent thing.
07 00:38:00 octavious vmware actually responds, but it loses connection
07 00:39:00 tommost I did some research--apparently the reason only certain things work is that the Linux USB API is blocking, which messes it up for passthrough on realtime devices.
07 00:40:00 octavious yeah, i am pretty sure thats what it is
07 00:41:00 tommost I'd just install Windows natively.
07 00:41:00 tommost I wasted about a week of my life trying to get that damn cable working.
07 00:42:00 octavious gah. that would require some significant work
07 00:42:00 tommost More work than trying multiple installations in different VM software has?
07 00:43:00 octavious not sure. LVM2 makes partitioning difficult for a windows partition
07 01:46:00 andy753421 auchter: so you used limbo a bit, is everything done concurrently?
07 01:52:00 auchter not exactly sure what you mean by that, but you have to explicitly spawn processes
07 01:52:00 auchter but the method of communication between them is pretty cool, the channel data type
07 01:52:00 auchter hold on, let me find this paper...
07 01:53:00 auchter http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/4th_edition/limbo_language/descent
07 01:53:00 auchter section 2.9 gives an example of concurrency in limbo
07 02:01:00 andy753421 yea, i definitely don't understand that syntax..
07 02:06:00 andy753421 did we get O259 reserved, or is someone still planning on doing that?
07 02:16:00 auchter andy753421: JP was gone before we got around to talking about the installfest, so i'm guessing it hasn't been reserved
07 02:16:00 auchter have we decided on a date/time?
07 02:17:00 andy753421 tuesday @ 5:15 in O259 according to the minutes
07 02:18:00 auchter tuesday 5:30 is SGA as well, though
07 02:18:00 andy753421 hm.. next tuesday? Is that the one we need to go to?
07 02:19:00 auchter yeah
07 02:20:00 andy753421 hm.. any idea about how long that will last?
07 02:20:00 auchter no idea, i could email jay and find out
07 02:21:00 TBoneULS octavious: you might want to make sure you USB cable is good, sam had issues with his, it was suprising that it was bad
07 02:21:00 andy753421 auchter: sure, i would like to go to the SGA meeting, and was wondering if I would have time to stop by the installfest after that
07 02:22:00 auchter ok, i sent him an email
07 09:09:00 auchter "
07 09:09:00 auchter "SGA meetings tend to run for 30 minutes, However I have seen them run a
07 09:09:00 auchter full hour."
07 13:59:00 povilusr_ wow, the 60's were a creepy time:
07 13:59:00 povilusr_ "A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.
07 14:08:00 auchter povilusr_: that's essentially all that k-12 education is.
07 14:08:00 auchter povilusr_: makes me sad that i wasted 12 years of my life
07 14:10:00 povilusr_ oh whe had nothing that seemed like loyalty or patriotism classes
07 14:12:00 auchter no, of course nothing that obvious
07 14:12:00 auchter but the entire environment is controlling
07 14:13:00 povilusr_ yeah, i guess,
07 14:13:00 povilusr_ also yay drug war: BAN LITTLE BAGS
07 14:13:00 povilusr_ http://cbs2chicago.com/local/plastic.bag.ban.2.670165.html
07 14:15:00 povilusr_ damn i hate running on only 1 gig of ram
07 16:08:00 tommost povilus: Wow, that's brain-dead. What would you get nuts from Ace in?
07 16:10:00 auchter yeah, i was really hoping it was satire
07 16:10:00 tommost More on the topic of bags: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/tsas_ideal_lapt.html
07 16:13:00 auchter yay security theater
07 16:13:00 tommost Aye.
07 20:18:00 ferrelaj povilusr: are you at your apartment, and would you be willing to exchange some network cable for some form of monetary compensation?
07 22:38:00 Morasique is there an option to tell cd not to go to my home directory when i don't give it an argument? i could do it with a zsh function, but i feel like there should be a way to disable the behavior in cd
08 12:39:00 auchter kleinjt: hey, i might be a half-hour late to robotics today
08 12:41:00 kleinjt auchter: thanks for reminding me, I forgot about it :)
08 12:41:00 kleinjt I'll be there
08 12:43:00 auchter ok, yeah, at like 1:30
08 12:43:00 kleinjt ok
08 14:41:00 auchter andy753421: so the robotics motherboard is pretty horrible
08 14:42:00 auchter ram will not seat properly, and looking at the newegg reviews posted since we bought it, it seems that we're not the only ones
08 14:42:00 auchter so we're probably going to have to send it back and either get a replacement and hope it doesn't suck, or pay the restocking fee and get a different one
08 18:14:00 auchter povilus-desktop: i may have thought of an easier way to bridge your two networks
08 20:07:00 auchter upasfs(4) needs to exist for linux... this is much easier than fetchmail
08 20:11:00 Morasique easy is no fun, you need to beat your programs until they do what you want
08 20:16:00 auchter not only easier, but better in the fact that it mounts my mailbox
08 20:19:00 tommost What does plan9 use instead of X?
08 20:20:00 andy753421 tommost: rio
08 20:20:00 Morasique i thought there was a linux program that supported mounting your mailbox, but i don't remember what it was
08 20:20:00 andy753421 auchter: are you using that in plan9 or inferno?
08 20:23:00 andy753421 and does upas/fs fetch main, or just connect to IMAP/POP servers?
08 20:23:00 auchter andy753421: plan9, and (at least the way i'm using it) it just connects
08 20:24:00 auchter i don't think inferno has upasfs
08 20:24:00 andy753421 ok, are you VMing it, or did you get it to install?
08 20:24:00 auchter VM, and if you're doing the same i highly suggest you use drawterm to connect to it
08 20:24:00 auchter it is much faster than using qemu for graphics
08 20:25:00 andy753421 hm.. how does that work?
08 20:25:00 auchter i'm going to configure my install to be cpu/auth/fs, not term
08 20:25:00 auchter http://swtch.com/drawterm/
08 20:25:00 auchter pretty much emulates a plan9 term
08 20:27:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/images/2008-03-08-202437_1920x1200_scrot.png
08 20:27:00 auchter screen shot of drawterm connected to virtualized plan9
08 20:28:00 andy753421 interesting, how does it connect?
08 20:28:00 andy753421 over the virtualized tcp/ip?
08 20:28:00 auchter through 9p, i believe
08 20:28:00 auchter yeah
08 20:28:00 andy753421 ok
08 20:29:00 auchter it takes -a for the authserver address, and -c for the cpu server address
08 20:29:00 andy753421 what does it use as the filesystem root?
08 20:30:00 auchter i think either the cpu or auth server tells it what to use (i would assume auth)
08 20:30:00 auchter right now it's using the root of my virtualized copy
08 20:30:00 auchter http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Drawterm_to_your_terminal/index.html
08 20:31:00 auchter instructions on how to set it up
08 22:06:00 andy753421 ough, qemu is so slow
08 22:06:00 andy753421 did you do anything to get it to run faster?
08 22:30:00 tommost He arrived at Rose a year later than you?
08 22:34:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, qemu is slow, i don't think there's any way around it. (i'm not running kvm right now because plan9 crashes when booting with it)
08 22:50:00 tommost auchter: Why would that be?
08 22:51:00 auchter tommost: not sure yet, i haven't really looked into it
08 22:51:00 auchter i will in a few minutes after i finish this code
08 23:37:00 auchter so kvm crashes with "exception 13" when trying to boot plan9 (after the nobiosload prompt)
08 23:41:00 auchter so apparently the intel vm doesn't support realmode, which is what plan9 tries to switch to
08 23:44:00 Morasique auchter: you asked about my zshrc at the lug meeting; it's at http://lug.phire.org/wiki/User:MoraSique/zshrc
08 23:48:00 auchter Morasique: ah, thanks, i'll take a look at that
08 23:49:00 auchter on another note, plan9 is now running under kvm
08 23:49:00 auchter putting *norealmode=1 in /n/9fat/plan9.ini helped
08 23:49:00 andy753421 ah, if only my processor support kvm..
08 23:51:00 auchter it is a pretty large improvement... but using drawterm should result in a speed increase as well
08 23:51:00 auchter and plan9's browser abaco has really improved recently, and css support is coming
08 23:53:00 tommost What level of CSS support?
08 23:59:00 auchter not entirely sure
09 00:06:00 auchter andy753421: also, there's a sort of package management system for plan 9 now
09 00:13:00 tommost I'm having trouble with my tickets expiring when accessing AFS through SSHFS on Addiator.
09 00:13:00 tommost `nohup <my renewal script>` should make it run indefinitely, right?
09 00:17:00 Morasique you could check if the process is still running with ps, maybe iait killed it or something
09 00:18:00 tommost No, until I changed it a few minutes ago my .cshrc ran the script (less nohup)--I just killed three instances of it.
09 00:19:00 tommost I'm wondering if the duration of Kerberos tickets has been lessened.
09 00:19:00 tommost I've changed my script to renew every hour--we'll see if this helps.
09 00:20:00 tommost That "Semaphores" process has been running for about a week!
09 00:23:00 auchter my favorite are the artsd processes
09 00:23:00 tommost What do they do?
09 00:24:00 andy753421 auchter: how did you do the network setup in plan9?
09 00:25:00 auchter ip/ipconfig -r, then ndb/dns -r, but there's two lines you can uncomment in /rc/bin/termrc
09 00:25:00 auchter that will do that on boot
09 00:31:00 auchter tommost: that's the kde sound daemon
09 00:31:00 tommost WTF?!
09 00:32:00 andy753421 are you using the default 10.0... ip addresses from qemu?
09 00:32:00 auchter i'm using a bridged connection
09 00:33:00 auchter so the vm gets an ip from my dhcp server
09 00:34:00 tommost Correction: WTF‽
09 00:35:00 andy753421 auchter: hm, what qemu/kvm options are you using to do that?
09 00:38:00 auchter qemu-kvm -net nic -net tap,ifname=`sudo tunctl -b -u auchtemm` plan9.qcow.img
09 00:39:00 auchter then that calls a script /etc/qemu-ifup to bring that tap# interface up and add it to the bridge br0
09 00:39:00 auchter (sudo /sbin/ifconfig $1 0.0.0.0 promisc up, sudo /usr/sbin/brctl addif br0 $1)
09 00:41:00 andy753421 eck.. has that worked any better than trying to use the default stuff?
09 00:41:00 auchter so far, but i've only been using it for a few hours
09 00:42:00 auchter i don't really think it matters much how it's done
09 01:31:00 auchter gah, per-process namespaces are cool until they completely mess me up
09 01:59:00 tommost I am having the strangest problem with KVM. It does not seem to be accelerated at all! XP takes minutes to boot, and displays horrible latency for every interaction. Yet there are no error messages.
09 01:59:00 tommost My command line: kvm -m 512 /home/mosttw/xp-fresh.qcow2 -snapshot -usb -usbdevice tablet -localtime -no-acpi
09 01:59:00 tommost Any ideas?
09 03:01:00 tommost It just took at least 30 seconds to open a command prompt!
09 03:02:00 auchter it doesn't complain about not begin able to open /dev/kqemu?
09 03:05:00 Morasique i want that hour back. i think i cried out in pain a little bit when suddenly it was 3am
09 03:06:00 andy753421 i refuse to accept daylight savings time, and timezones
09 03:06:00 andy753421 so i'ts still 07:06 for me :)
09 03:06:00 Morasique :D good luck with that
09 03:07:00 Morasique everytime i look at the lug log i curse your name
09 03:07:00 andy753421 yea, but i would curse even more if it randomly skipped form 2:00 to 3:00
09 03:09:00 auchter heh, i forgot that happened at 2:00... this is going to be a fun day
09 03:11:00 andy753421 auchter: after trying to read though those plan9 docs, i've come to the conclusion that i've been spoiled by the gentoo handbook
09 03:12:00 auchter andy753421: agreed, gentoo's documentation is among the best
09 03:14:00 auchter on the other hand, you can't mount the gentoo handbook and read it in acme...
09 03:34:00 tommost Hmmm... removing the -snapshot argument made a *huge* difference. andy753421: how were you doing snapshot, that it didn't make a difference.
09 03:34:00 tommost ?
09 03:36:00 andy753421 tommost: I don't know, were you using kqemu and -kernel-kqemu?
09 03:36:00 tommost kvm.
09 03:36:00 andy753421 ah, i don't know then, i was just using plain qemu, which might be different
09 03:37:00 tommost Egh. Well, it's a good thing that I have my fresh XP image burned to DVD, 'cause it's not fresh any longer.
09 03:39:00 tommost Well, Qemu seems to have crashed.
09 03:39:00 tommost Fun.
09 03:41:00 tommost Oh, wait...it was stupid Windows with it's stupid updates.
09 03:42:00 tommost It was nice enough to tell me so, even: "Your computer was just updated!"
09 03:42:00 tommost Wouldn't it have been better to ask me in the first place?
09 03:43:00 auchter no, it'd be better if it didn't even check if updates were available
09 03:43:00 auchter i like telling my computer what to do, not it telling me what it wants to do
09 03:44:00 Morasique you can disable it in control panel -> windows update
09 03:46:00 Morasique i tried updating my vista machine this morning and got this gem: http://bp2.blogger.com/_8ZQnluQOl7o/R9MHjCeNHWI/AAAAAAAAACE/OZ_o8mx4jPQ/s320/vista+counterfeit.png
09 16:21:00 auchter once we get some plan9 boxes running in the cs department, we should ask for plan9.cs.rose-hulman.edu
09 23:01:00 auchter i wonder if holden will like my additive shift cipher coded in brainfuck...
09 23:01:00 auchter >,---------------------------------------------------------------->,[<[->+<<+>]>.<<[->+<]>>,]
09 23:05:00 andy753421 auchter: just convert it to C and then he can't compain :)
09 23:05:00 andy753421 (or use CPP macros for it)
09 23:05:00 auchter ha, actually i already coded it in perl, but i wanted to do it in brainfuck for fun
09 23:05:00 andy753421 oh, ok
09 23:05:00 auchter better than doing comparch2 homework
09 23:10:00 auchter so there's some problem with my recent linux install where occasionally my mouse will stop working
09 23:10:00 auchter dmesg says: psmouse.c: bad data from KBC - timeout
09 23:10:00 auchter this has happened twice so far... not really a big deal though
10 00:30:00 andy753421 so i guess we've got an installfest tomorrow, any word reserving the room?
10 00:30:00 andy753421 er, and by tomorrow i mean tuesday
10 00:31:00 auchter i don't think a room has been reserved yet (at least i haven't done it)
10 00:31:00 auchter are we still doing it at 5:15 as planned, and just having some people leave for the SGA meeting?
10 00:31:00 andy753421 I think so
10 00:32:00 tommost And the robotics meeting...?
10 00:32:00 andy753421 Dr. Defoe already mentioned that to the OS students
10 00:32:00 auchter tommost: we could move it an hour back...
10 00:32:00 auchter (forward?)
10 00:33:00 auchter (back._
10 00:34:00 andy753421 tommost: robotics meeting? that sounds like something I should know about..
10 00:34:00 tommost The one every Tuesday?
10 00:34:00 andy753421 that one's not till 8:00, and I think we would be about done by then
10 00:34:00 auchter i thought we missed it the last time we had the installfest
10 00:35:00 tommost Well, I can't.
10 00:35:00 andy753421 maybe, we might be able to get kevin and the hardware folks to meet in O259 instead of the lab..
10 00:36:00 tommost LOL.
10 00:36:00 auchter you're president, so i figure an email should solve the problem
10 00:36:00 andy753421 good point ;)
10 00:37:00 auchter so what's the process for getting an O-room?
10 00:38:00 andy753421 I think we were wanting the one with the tablets so they can read the install guide while going though it
10 00:39:00 auchter agreed, but i don't know who to talk to, etc. (unless whoever did it last time wants to do it again)
10 00:39:00 auchter also, all campus email?
10 00:40:00 andy753421 auchter: You can probably get Mellor to send out an e-mail (if we want, i don't particularly care), but I'm not sure who to talk to about rooms
10 00:40:00 auchter ok. does anyone know who reserved the room last time?
10 00:41:00 auchter i suppose JP would probably know that as well
10 00:42:00 Morasique i'm told the registrar handles olin rooms
10 00:46:00 auchter Morasique: yeah, looks like it according to the student handbook as well
10 00:46:00 auchter hm, guesses on which of the three people listed on the registrar's office website would be best to email?
10 00:46:00 auchter i'm leaning towards Administrative Assistant myself
10 00:47:00 Morasique requests probably go through the assistant
10 00:47:00 auchter ok, so 5:15->9:00?
10 00:52:00 andy753421 auchter: in other news, how's the motor controller comming?
10 00:53:00 auchter so, slight problem: gary burgess is skiing
10 00:53:00 andy753421 hm.. so all that's left is to get him to print it?
10 00:53:00 andy753421 or make it, or whatever that's called..
10 00:54:00 auchter yes, the h-bridge portion is completely laid out, the microcontroller portion needs a little bit more work (like 20 minute max, plan to do that tomorrow)
10 00:54:00 andy753421 alright
10 00:55:00 andy753421 is that the last electronics thing that needs to be done?
10 00:55:00 andy753421 (well, at least to get the thing rolling..)
10 00:55:00 auchter i2c hardware needs to be printed as well (board is laid out)
10 00:55:00 andy753421 alright, sounds good
10 00:55:00 auchter actually i could just do that on perfboard
10 00:56:00 auchter i'll order all the parts for this stuff sometime before wednesday
10 00:56:00 andy753421 ok, that will be good
10 00:57:00 auchter in the meantime we'll work on getting the code for the PICs done
10 00:58:00 auchter we should probably meet (software and electronics) and decide on a protocol for communicating between the motor controller and the computer
10 00:58:00 andy753421 ok, you guys meet after the tuesday meeting right?
10 00:58:00 auchter yup
10 00:58:00 andy753421 that might be the easiest time
10 00:58:00 auchter it shouldn't take too long
10 00:59:00 andy753421 does electronics have a list of all the different things they're working on somewhere?
10 00:59:00 auchter so, once more, is 5:15 to 9:00 good for o259?
10 00:59:00 andy753421 auchter: I think so
10 01:00:00 auchter andy753421: no
10 01:01:00 andy753421 ok, do you think you could throw something up on the wiki at some point? there's a Vehicle page where hardware put some things that might be a good place
10 01:02:00 andy753421 I'm trying to figure out what all needs to be integrated together, but I'm having a bit of a hard time with it at the moment
10 01:03:00 auchter ok, so currently what we have is the kill switch, motor controller, and i2c board
10 01:05:00 andy753421 hm.. ok we can probably talk more about this at the meeting on tuesday
10 01:05:00 auchter ok
10 01:13:00 auchter ok, so i sent an email regarding the room, we'll see what she says
10 02:31:00 Morasique i just stumbled across this in the middle of /etc/init.d/apache2: # Stupid hack to keep lintian happy. (Warrk! Stupidhack!).
10 02:33:00 auchter comments can be awfully entertaining at times
10 09:09:00 auchter ok, O259 is reserved
10 14:33:00 auchter what's the method for MAC registration nowadays? email IAIT?
10 14:33:00 tommost I got the normal web-page based method just the other day.
10 14:34:00 andy753421 hm.. i heard the webpage was no longer supported
10 14:34:00 tommost Well, it worked for me.
10 14:36:00 auchter i get a 403 under abaco on plan9 for the registration page
10 14:36:00 auchter strangely enough i didn't get this in the CS la
10 14:36:00 auchter b
10 14:51:00 TBoneULS auchter: whats your idea for our network setup? i didnt see that you said that until just now
10 14:51:00 TBoneULS we still dont have it working, so anything / an easier solution would be nice
10 14:54:00 auchter why not put (for example) one network on the 192.168.0.* subnet, the other on 192.168.1.* network, directly connect them together through a switch, and set the subnet mask properly (too lazy to figure out the proper one, 255.255.0.0 would work and be overkill, which is always fun)
10 14:55:00 TBoneULS i think the problem there is that the computers would get random IP addresses
10 14:55:00 TBoneULS no control over which one it will contact
10 14:55:00 TBoneULS if im thinking about it correctly
10 14:56:00 auchter the dhcp server should be able to only serve one subnet
10 14:56:00 auchter (at least the openbsd dhcp server does)
10 14:56:00 TBoneULS ya but if theyre directly connected, i think it will be which ever one responds first
10 14:56:00 TBoneULS as far as i know
10 14:56:00 TBoneULS and they have a shitty router, so we have almost no control over it
10 14:56:00 TBoneULS but it might work
10 14:56:00 TBoneULS it would be much less complicated
10 14:58:00 auchter with my dhcp server, this would handle it: subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option routers 192.168.0.1; range 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.254;
10 14:58:00 auchter }
10 14:59:00 povilusr_ we could setup mac addrsss whitelisting for each
10 14:59:00 auchter actually it wouldn't
10 14:59:00 auchter yeah, that would work
10 14:59:00 povilusr_ but our way is almost working
10 14:59:00 TBoneULS we'd have to whitelist/blacklist ourse
10 15:00:00 TBoneULS which isnt bad, they have like 5 computers
10 15:00:00 TBoneULS but we might get their ips weird
10 15:00:00 TBoneULS er
10 15:00:00 TBoneULS we might get thier ips sometimes
10 15:00:00 povilusr_ yeah our way hsould work, its just firewalling i thing
10 15:00:00 povilusr_ think
10 15:00:00 TBoneULS ya
10 15:00:00 TBoneULS but this might work better
10 15:00:00 povilusr_ dident we rdesktop
10 15:01:00 povilusr_ so the routing is working
10 15:01:00 povilusr_ not work better, whiteleising = bad
10 15:02:00 auchter or, just upgrade to business cable and split it between the two apartments with one router...
10 15:02:00 auchter cheaper, faster, better.
10 15:02:00 povilusr_ apparently not cheaper
10 15:02:00 povilusr_ so ive been told
10 15:03:00 povilusr_ and they torrent
10 15:03:00 povilusr_ and we dont
10 15:05:00 TBoneULS ya, im mostly worried about their torrenting
10 15:05:00 TBoneULS and if i recall, its not cheaper
10 15:06:00 TBoneULS maybe about the same, but not cheaper
10 15:06:00 povilusr_ here comes the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamulance
10 15:07:00 auchter well, split between, what, 6 people... that's probably cheaper than two residential connections split between 3 people
10 15:08:00 TBoneULS its 2 connections split between 6 people total
10 15:08:00 TBoneULS im going to look into exact costs
10 15:18:00 TBoneULS ya their website blows
10 15:18:00 TBoneULS it looks like it might not be that much more
10 15:18:00 TBoneULS last time i looked into it, i think it was more expensive
10 15:19:00 TBoneULS they have a turbo package for 59.99
10 15:19:00 TBoneULS last time, i think it was around 90-100
10 15:19:00 TBoneULS but that was some sort of buisness user package
10 15:19:00 TBoneULS it had a higher upload for VPN users or something
10 15:19:00 TBoneULS i think thats what you have, auchter
10 15:19:00 TBoneULS im not sure though
10 15:43:00 Morasique has freenode always spammed this much? i've only been noticing it the last week or so
10 15:43:00 tommost What are you talking about?
10 18:33:00 Morasique they changed addiator's motd to something about authorized users only. i wonder if something happened
10 18:46:00 andy753421 auchter: I'm planning to just leave the install fest a bit early to go to the robotics meeting (assuming the install fest runs past 8:00)
10 18:47:00 kleinjt auchter: I might not be able to make it to the robotics meeting, I may have something else going on
10 18:47:00 andy753421 tommost: (I guess that's for you too, if you're planning to go to the robotics meeting)
10 18:48:00 tommost Okay.
10 19:13:00 auchter andy753421: alright, i'll probably do the same
10 19:13:00 auchter woohoo, maple10 on addiator. it only took them, what, a year?
10 19:16:00 tommost Now, how about Maple 11?
10 19:17:00 auchter i don't know much about the changes between the two versions, but even maple 10 makes me happy
10 19:18:00 auchter on another note, who has the ubuntu cds for the installfest?
10 19:19:00 tommost I can provide one.
10 19:19:00 tommost Are we encouraging 64-bit?
10 19:20:00 auchter well, i thought we had some from the last time
10 19:20:00 andy753421 auchter: I picked them up from delvin
10 19:20:00 auchter and i think most will be running sophomore/junior laptops anyway
10 19:20:00 auchter ah, alright
10 19:21:00 tommost I'm just saying, 64-bit isn't worth the trouble. Flash player crashes a lot.
10 20:21:00 TBoneULS so how are the dns names for rose formatted now?
10 20:22:00 TBoneULS i know they used to be comp-#.student.blah
10 20:22:00 TBoneULS anyone know what they are now?
10 20:22:00 TBoneULS im not on campus to find out, and ive stop paying attention since i moved off campus
10 20:22:00 tommost username-1.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu
10 20:23:00 Morasique my desktop is mrozekma-3.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu
10 20:23:00 tommost Though you can set "username-1" to whatever you like.
10 20:23:00 TBoneULS thats what i thought, but it appears to be nonfunctional
10 20:23:00 TBoneULS k well thanks, ill poke at it a biut
10 20:26:00 TBoneULS auchter: you still looking for somewhere to live next year/
10 20:35:00 auchter TBoneULS: nope, i think i'm all set
10 20:36:00 TBoneULS dammit
10 20:36:00 TBoneULS well if anyone else wants to live at VQ next year, let me know
10 20:36:00 TBoneULS as a note, we have a washer dryer
10 20:37:00 tommost That reminds me...I'm going to go do my laundry.
10 20:38:00 TBoneULS lol
10 22:07:00 auchter heh, man page for lex: BUGS: The asteroid to kill this dinosaur is still in orbit.
10 23:19:00 tommost What could make root get denied permissions to ls a directory?
10 23:19:00 tommost nvm--sshfs.
10 23:19:00 tommost (wrong terminal)
11 10:10:00 Morasique what room did we end up getting for the installfest?
11 10:12:00 andy753421 O259
11 10:15:00 tommost And the all-campus e-mail?
11 10:38:00 povilus-desktop so i have a mail dump from my old server
11 10:38:00 Blazeix tommost: I wasn't at the last meeting, but I can send the email if I get the info
11 10:38:00 povilus-desktop the files are named 1157480779.798804-32457.router.povil.us_2,Sa and so on
11 10:38:00 Blazeix or someone else can send it
11 10:39:00 povilus-desktop how can i import that directory into thunderbird so i can read them/search them
11 10:40:00 andy753421 povilus-desktop: is that a maildir folder (does it have cur,new,tmp sub folders?)
11 10:41:00 povilus-desktop yeah
11 10:41:00 povilus-desktop that was out of the cur folder
11 10:41:00 povilus-desktop this is the spool file from my old server
11 10:41:00 andy753421 I would think that thunderbird should be able to just access those
11 10:42:00 povilus-desktop i just tried adding it as local folders. no luck
11 10:42:00 andy753421 did you select cur, or it's parent?
11 10:43:00 povilus-desktop paren il try just it
11 10:44:00 povilus-desktop nither works
11 10:44:00 povilus-desktop but it thinks a long time on parent
11 10:44:00 andy753421 ok, you can probably google search importing maildirs, or check the help files
11 12:41:00 Blazeix So, I've heard a couple of different dates for the installfest
11 12:42:00 Blazeix like today @ 5:15, or at 5:30, or at an undetermined future date
11 12:42:00 Blazeix did we decide anything at the last meeting?
11 12:52:00 Morasique was the OS class told about the installfest today?
11 12:56:00 andy753421 yea, they got an e-mail about it
11 12:57:00 andy753421 Blazeix: it is today at 5:15
11 12:57:00 Blazeix andy753421: thanks
11 12:57:00 Blazeix I'll have mellor send an all campus email
11 13:09:00 Morasique is there somebody that will definitely be there that isn't going to sga? i'm at work till 6:30
11 13:10:00 Blazeix I'll be there
11 13:17:00 Blazeix I sent mellor an email for all campus
11 13:35:00 auchter mellor is gone, i believe
11 13:36:00 andy753421 auchter: looks like he's still got his e-mail going
11 13:37:00 auchter yeah, i just saw that
11 13:40:00 auchter ok, so jay won't be at SGA tonight, but he's having a replacement go who will bring us up as new business
11 13:42:00 TheRoot yeah, that's my bad.
11 13:42:00 TheRoot he's pledging the taxi. :P
11 14:38:00 tommost Can anyone else connect to DFS via SFTP?
11 14:39:00 tommost It's not responding to my pings.
11 14:42:00 tommost Huh...try pinging www.rose-hulman.edu...round-robin DNS in action!
11 15:21:00 andy753421 tommost: why doesn't this work, http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/television.py
11 15:32:00 tommost andy753421: It works fine for me. ("%s" % attr is unnecessary, though, since attr is a str.)
11 15:33:00 tommost Wait...
11 15:33:00 tommost Oh, I see.
11 15:36:00 tommost It's because Python doesn't have block scope--attr is scoped to __init__, so it is overwitten on every iteration.
11 15:37:00 tommost This is an issue that comes up a lot in JavaScript--they're actually adding a "let" statement to complement/replace the existing "var" statement for declaring variables in ECMAScript 4. The let statement has block scope.
11 16:50:00 auchter TBoneULS: you're coming to the SGA meeting today, right?
11 17:06:00 TBoneULS ya ill be there
11 17:06:00 TBoneULS im about to head to the installfest
11 17:06:00 TBoneULS ill meet you there
11 17:06:00 TBoneULS where is the SGA meeting again?
11 17:07:00 auchter Kahn room, what time is it at?
11 17:07:00 auchter 5:30?
11 17:08:00 auchter i'm in o259 right now
11 17:08:00 TBoneULS ya
11 17:08:00 auchter ok
11 17:08:00 TBoneULS k ill be there shortly
11 17:08:00 auchter alright
11 17:40:00 MoraSique how's the installfest going? lots of people?
11 18:16:00 MoraSique Bug #1 in Ubuntu on launchpad is "Microsoft has a majority market share"
11 18:59:00 tommost MoraSique: Brilliant.
11 20:33:00 Mishtal sam, whats your last name? this is mike, the guy who mentioned the server i knew of for sale.
11 20:33:00 Mishtal i have the current owner on aim
11 20:49:00 povilus-desktop povilus
11 21:12:00 Mishtal guy with server is at AIM account ArchimedesRH
11 22:07:00 ferrelaj Is it possible to run Graphical maple from Addiator?
11 22:07:00 tommost ssh -X
11 22:08:00 auchter tommost: check the log, since you signed off immediately after asking a question
11 22:08:00 auchter er, ferrelaj rather
11 22:08:00 ferrelaj sorry, I saw it still, lol. The signing off was unintentional
11 22:08:00 ferrelaj (closed the wrong window)
11 22:09:00 auchter haha, crazy guis
11 22:09:00 tommost Yup, it works.
11 22:09:00 Morasique you have to do maple -x too, i think the default is the cli
11 22:09:00 Mishtal it gives instructions when you ssh into addiator
11 22:09:00 auchter maple -cw for classic worksheek
11 22:09:00 tommost Look at the MOTD: xmaple
11 22:09:00 Morasique oh, yeah, i forgot about the giant motd now
11 22:09:00 auchter ah yeah, xmaple -cw
11 22:10:00 andy753421 $ touch ~/.hushlogin
11 22:10:00 Morasique i think classic worksheet wasn't working on addiator, i tried it a few days ago
11 22:10:00 Morasique andy753421: oh, cool, i didn't know about that
11 22:10:00 tommost andy753421: Does that work until they change it, or indefinitely?
11 22:11:00 andy753421 tommost: indefinitely
11 22:11:00 auchter [auchtemm@addiator ~]$ xterm
11 22:11:00 auchter X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
11 22:11:00 auchter anyway around that when using public key login?
11 22:11:00 tommost It works for me.
11 22:12:00 ferrelaj auchter: want to work on Crypto?
11 22:12:00 auchter ferrelaj: not particularly, i'm pretty braindead right now
11 22:13:00 Morasique :)
11 22:13:00 Morasique but it's cryptography, you know you want to
11 22:13:00 auchter i'm probably going to work on it in a bit, but it's not crypto related... i hate doing string stuff in C
11 22:13:00 ferrelaj everyone wants to
11 22:14:00 Morasique s/string//
11 22:14:00 ferrelaj I'm doing the math portion, namely, trying to count the number of valid 2x2 hill cipher keys
11 22:14:00 ferrelaj Which involves a lot of Disco I don't remember, lol
11 22:15:00 auchter Morasique: not the point you were trying to get across, but that line is exactly why i don't like string stuff in C
11 22:16:00 auchter ferrelaj: i think i'm just going to do the minimum for the math part, i'm too lazy to do any more
11 22:16:00 auchter ferrelaj: and the easiest problems as well, heh
11 22:17:00 ferrelaj auchter: this one problem will take care of the whole math part tho. And it's only counting
11 22:19:00 ferrelaj Is there any way to make pidgin NOT log out of the channel when I close the window?
11 22:27:00 Blazeix ferrelaj: I think the 'persistent' option does that
11 22:27:00 Blazeix If you add the irc channel to the main pidgin window, you can right click it and choose that option
11 22:28:00 ferrelaj hmm, it's not giving me that option. Perhaps I fail
11 22:28:00 tommost I don't see it either.
11 22:28:00 Blazeix I'm using pidgin 2.4
11 22:28:00 tommost 2.2.1
11 22:28:00 ferrelaj oh, it would appear I only have 2.2.1
11 22:29:00 tommost I appears that an Ubuntu package maintainer has been lazy.
11 22:29:00 Blazeix http://getdeb.net/app/Pidgin
11 22:34:00 ferrelaj thank you. The option has magically appeared.
11 22:35:00 Blazeix np
11 22:35:00 Blazeix auchter: have you moved away from arch yet?
11 22:39:00 auchter Blazeix: nope, not until break
11 22:44:00 Blazeix any idea what distro/OS you'll go to?
11 22:47:00 auchter Blazeix: gentoo
11 22:47:00 auchter maybe dual booting with glendix once they release something...
11 22:48:00 Blazeix glendix looks like a good idea
11 22:49:00 auchter yeah, though it'd be better if the plan9 kernel just had better hardware support instead
11 22:50:00 auchter but the plan9 userspace alone is nice too
11 22:50:00 auchter i can actually read the code without hemmoraging, which is more than can be said about gnu coreutils
11 22:52:00 auchter heh, another benefit of using google as a spellchecker: interesting result pages: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Your_eye_is_hemmoraging_and_now_you_have_headaches_and_blurry_vision_is_the_later_problem_a_result_of_the_hemmoraging
11 22:55:00 Morasique auchter: do you know if ubuntu has the plan9 package you were talking about at the installfest? i can't seem to find anything on it
11 22:56:00 auchter Morasique: searching their online repository, it doesn't look like it
11 22:56:00 auchter http://swtch.com/plan9port/
11 23:48:00 tommost I like this new Pidgin.
11 23:55:00 Morasique tommost: what's different? i'm too lazy to manually update unless it changes something important
12 00:21:00 andy753421 I got word back from Jordan Kendall about SGA stuf
12 00:21:00 andy753421 f
12 00:22:00 andy753421 we were right, it is one quarter of after being recognized by SAC
12 00:23:00 andy753421 it looks like he's going to be helping us get signed up with stuff once we're ready to go back before SGA to get probationary status
12 00:24:00 auchter excellent
12 00:24:00 andy753421 I'm going to start a wiki page with what we have to do..
12 00:24:00 auchter yeah, he seemed to be helpful
12 00:25:00 andy753421 actually, I think i'll just put that in the about page (which currently is empty)
12 00:44:00 andy753421 ok, someone fill in the table on this page http://lug.phire.org/wiki/RHLUG:About
12 00:45:00 auchter i think TBoneULS is the only one who knows about that date
12 00:46:00 auchter "f. A student organization shall be required to submit a budget for the two quarter probationary period."
12 00:47:00 auchter that point is good, though... so we should be able to get some money relatively quickly
12 00:49:00 Mishtal auchter: does the money for the budget include actual equipment purchases? or only equipment upgrades and repairs?
12 00:49:00 Mishtal or equipment at all?
12 00:50:00 auchter all it specifies is a budget, so i'm assuming that means we can ask for anything
12 00:51:00 Mishtal that sounds better than being given specific requirements.
12 00:51:00 Mishtal at least we can ask now, instead of knowing in advance that we will be turned down. false hope is better than none... sometimes
12 00:51:00 auchter well, we can't yet. and we weren't even asking for a budget today
12 00:52:00 auchter but it seems that it's something we should have ready before we go in, but jordan will be able to help us with that
12 00:52:00 auchter (in terms of what we need, etc)
12 00:52:00 Mishtal did something other than the install fest happen today?
12 00:54:00 auchter yes, we went in front of SGA, and (attempted and failed) to get probationary club status
12 00:54:00 Mishtal how are we not a probationary club? wow, that is some seriously messed up rules
12 00:55:00 Mishtal whens the next point we are allowed to apply?
12 01:00:00 andy753421 Mishtal: http://lug.phire.org/wiki/RHLUG:About#Club_Status
12 01:00:00 andy753421 we have to wait a 'full academic quarter' after obtaining SAC recognition, which means, another couple weeks maybe?
12 01:01:00 auchter as far as i can tell, though it could be as soon as next meeting
12 01:01:00 andy753421 yea, maybe
12 01:01:00 Mishtal they consider 12 weeks to be a full academic quarter?
12 01:01:00 andy753421 (hopefully)
12 01:01:00 andy753421 Mishtal: I'm not sure, that's what that one guy said, but then Jordan though it was ~10 weeks
12 01:02:00 Mishtal understood.
12 01:02:00 Mishtal also, i visited the wiki when the link ws first posted
12 01:02:00 andy753421 I imagine it's just 'you got it wednesday 3rd week of 1st quarter so you have to wait till wednesday 3rd week of 2nd quarter' or something
12 01:02:00 Mishtal that makes sense
12 01:03:00 auchter i hope they're not that pedantic to take it to the day
12 01:18:00 tommost Morasique: It lets you mark IRC channels to automatically join when it starts. Plus, the Pidgin plugin pack has a bunch of crazy functionality.
12 01:19:00 Morasique tommost: ah. i already have the plugin pack
12 01:27:00 andy753421 tommost: Pidgin has supported auto-join for a really long time, what version are you upgrading from?
12 01:30:00 tommost 2.2 or something. Whatever the default was in Ubuntu.
12 01:30:00 tommost It's getting kinda agèd.
12 01:30:00 andy753421 hm, i'm pretty sure it had auto-join since before that, but they may have made the UI better
12 01:30:00 andy753421 pidgin you mean?
12 01:31:00 tommost The old version I had.
12 01:31:00 tommost Plus, I didn't have the plugin pack. That might have made the difference.
12 01:31:00 andy753421 maybe, it's nothing like the 1.5 build back when they were getting used by AOL
12 01:32:00 tommost You mean sued?
12 01:32:00 andy753421 oh, yea
12 01:32:00 tommost Had me confused for a moment...
12 01:47:00 tommost Any perspective on the validity of these figures? http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=395911&sid=b2c86b379907d27300eb44a9fed8fcea
12 02:12:00 tommost So, I have this print server that I pulled off the free stuff table. It has an i386 in it. Therefore, logically, it must be usable as a computer. A computer with an Ethernet port and a parallel port. A useful computer. Tell me, oh great CPE gods, how might I program said useful computer of Ethernet and bytewise data transfer?
12 02:16:00 auchter install linux on it
12 02:16:00 auchter though i'm guessing it probably does not have a standard bios
12 02:16:00 auchter but i would try to find anything that looks like storage and try reading it
12 02:18:00 tommost How would I go about doing that? It has an Ethernet port (10/100), a parallel port, a serial port (with an RJ-45 connector, so I'll need to make a cable) and some weird set of bare contacts (10 of them) on the edge of the board labeled "test."
12 02:20:00 auchter no other identifiable chips on the PCB?
12 02:20:00 tommost A number of them:
12 02:20:00 tommost i386 EX
12 02:20:00 tommost TLAN (Texas Insturments)
12 02:20:00 tommost VALOR
12 02:21:00 tommost Extended Systems "TABLEROCK"
12 02:21:00 tommost AMI Extended Systems
12 02:21:00 auchter finding data sheets on those would probably be a good start
12 02:21:00 auchter or even just finding info on the device itself
12 02:23:00 tommost Okay.
12 02:34:00 tommost So how are we going to power the robot's motherboard?
12 12:25:00 tommost Robotics people: where are the chargers for the battery packs associated with the JR radio TX?
12 12:28:00 auchter tommost: you'd have to ask kevin or colin, but (i don't know exactly what those batteries are) there was a charger on the electronics table a while back... it might still be there
12 12:29:00 tommost I was there last night and didn't find one. I was wondering if they were in the storage area or had been given away.
12 12:29:00 tommost They'
12 12:30:00 tommost re square red or yellow 8-cell NiCd packs.
12 12:31:00 auchter yeah, i don't know where it would be
12 12:33:00 tommost Oh well. It sounds like Brian's going to get a charger from the supply room.
12 12:56:00 MoraSique does anyone else have problems with the link command being stupid about the source filename? i swear it didn't do this before, but maybe i just never noticed. if i add a symlink, and the source filename is a relative path, it tries to use that relative path from the destination's path, so if i do "ln -s ../wef /var/www/wef", it tries to point /var/www/wef -> /var/www/../wef, instead of doing ../wef from the directory i'm in when i run ln
12 12:56:00 MoraSique is that normal behavior?
12 13:03:00 tommos1 Well, we ran into Kevin and got the charger---why the heck does it have a big speaker on the front?
12 13:04:00 auchter occasionally it feels like beeping an incredibly loud, shrill beep
12 13:05:00 auchter i normally ignore it or unplug it when that happens, not sure what it means
12 13:16:00 tommos1 For us, it beeped when not plugged into the wall---just the battery.
12 13:18:00 auchter yeah, i never understood that thing
12 13:51:00 crr MoraSique: I can confirm that behavior; it doesn't say anything about that in the man pages though
12 13:52:00 MoraSique crr: ok, thanks. i don't remember ever having a problem before, i guess i've just always been in the destination directory when i've wanted to make a link
12 13:53:00 crr MoraSique: yeah - that's probably the best way to do it
12 15:08:00 tommos1 Does anyone here have experience with PostgreSQL?
12 15:09:00 MoraSique i tried it once, but i was too lazy to actually learn how to use it. i'm told it's better than mysql for large databases
12 15:09:00 tommos1 It's much nicer to administer, too.
12 15:09:00 tommos1 But I'm getting this weird integrity error.
12 16:45:00 tommos1 clear
12 22:03:00 Mishtal question :
12 22:03:00 Mishtal one of the guys who was at the installfest last night
12 22:03:00 Mishtal his sophomore laptop, with ubuntu running on it wont load into the gui automatically, he says he needs to type in the commands to make the gui work on the nw8440's every time.
12 22:03:00 Mishtal anyone remember where the file he has to change is at off the top of their heads?
12 22:04:00 andy753421 Mishtal: I think he just has to install the restricted ati drivers, but i'm not sure
12 22:04:00 Mishtal thats kind of what i was thinking. mine works just fine, and has ever since i first set it up (better than windows.. O.o) ill ask him if he has the restricted drivers load
12 22:04:00 Mishtal loaded*
12 22:04:00 Mishtal thanks andy
12 23:47:00 octavious are there any public machines i can ssh into that run maple?
12 23:49:00 octavious or where it is on addiator
12 23:51:00 Blazeix read the banner on addiator
12 23:51:00 Blazeix I'm pretty sure when you log in it has instructions
12 23:51:00 Blazeix at least it did a few days ago
13 15:05:00 andy753421 so i'm supposed to talk about Ruby at the lug meeting tonight
13 15:05:00 andy753421 but i'm not going to be there..
13 15:05:00 andy753421 (got to go to the SGA meeting for robotics)
13 15:09:00 auchter andy753421: ah, didn't hear about any SGA thing for that
13 15:10:00 andy753421 apparently, me and jay are supposed to go to it
13 15:10:00 auchter ah, ok
13 15:10:00 auchter i've got something to talk about perl-wise
13 15:11:00 octavious maybe we could hire some midgets to dance in your place
13 15:11:00 octavious can we fit that expense in the budget?
13 15:11:00 andy753421 hehe, it's about budget stuff, so i'd sort of like to go to that so I know what's going on with the lug as well
13 15:12:00 auchter yeah, not a problem
13 15:12:00 auchter octavious: perhaps you could get us a quote
13 15:12:00 octavious sure. not the first time.
13 15:13:00 octavious altough if you want naked, it will cost more.
13 15:13:00 octavious too far?
13 15:14:00 auchter a bit
13 15:18:00 Morasique i started reading the log with "if you want naked it will cost more" and had to work my way backwards to figure out what was going on
13 16:43:00 auchter anyone up for pizza today at lug?
13 16:44:00 Morasique if you're going to give it to me. i'm too cheap to pay for any
13 16:44:00 auchter a dollar per slice is not entirely unreasonable
13 16:46:00 Morasique somehow $1/slice sounds like so much less than $8/pizza, for a second i thought i was getting some kind of great deal. i'll get one or two slices if you get enough people to bother ordering
13 19:27:00 auchter andy753421: do you want to send the email to help@cs... about the plan 9 boxes, or do you want me to?
13 19:28:00 andy753421 you can
13 19:29:00 auchter ok
13 19:37:00 tommost Well, it appears that I am not running Sunbird 0.7, but 0.5. Fun.
13 21:29:00 povilusr anyone know about slackware its a server distro yes
13 21:29:00 povilusr im thinkgin of running on a quad 500MHz xenon p3
14 09:46:00 auchter can't believe i'm using the mac in f225... but hey, the other box was off and this was already logged in with my account
14 10:41:00 collinjc auchter: I think Darryl fixed the virtual machines on Phantom and Voodoo. I told Mike about the problem and he said he'd email Darryl, and I saw him working on them.
14 11:21:00 auchter collinjc: awesome. did you ask mike to put a decent OS as the host on those machines? haha
14 11:29:00 Morasique visual confirmation is good, i've been assured by mike in the past that something is "being worked on"
14 11:30:00 TheRoot Morasique: I saw him setting the system clock through the bios earlier today.
14 11:31:00 TheRoot assuming we're talking about the dual-boot machine in F225.
14 11:31:00 quark auchter: got a sec?
14 11:43:00 auchter quark: i will after i finish my ece200 homework which is due in an hour
14 11:43:00 auchter shouldn't take me much longer
14 11:44:00 quark I'll be in class
14 11:44:00 quark I'll just catch you later
14 11:48:00 auchter TheRoot: yeah, but unfortunately "dual-boot" is a bit of a misnomer now...
14 11:48:00 collinjc auchter: No, I did not. I really should have though.
14 12:25:00 TheRoot andy753421: I spoke with curt.
14 12:26:00 TheRoot he said gsub(commentRegEx, " ") on the .java files before passing them to the lexer is fine. also we tried to clear up the makefile problems I was having, but eventually gave up and just wrote a .bat to do the same thing.
14 12:27:00 andy753421 ok
14 12:27:00 andy753421 we could also use rake, which is apparently like make, but in ruby
14 12:27:00 andy753421 i've never looked at it though
14 12:27:00 TheRoot hm. we might want to check that out, yeah.
14 12:31:00 TheRoot installing rake now...
14 12:31:00 TheRoot if this works well we should be able to use it cross-platform.
14 12:35:00 TheRoot http://rake.rubyforge.org/files/doc/rakefile_rdoc.html
14 12:35:00 TheRoot aaand I'm off to class.
14 12:35:00 TheRoot I'll be in the CS lab the rest of today after this period though.
14 12:35:00 TheRoot catch you later.
14 15:32:00 auchter gah, daryl escaped... i need to figure out the password on this machine
14 15:39:00 auchter guest/guest
14 15:40:00 TheRoot auchter: the most secure id evar!
14 15:41:00 auchter yeah, someone may have added it...
14 16:53:00 Baty3 in ubuntu, what package includes libc?
14 16:55:00 tommost build-essential, I think.
14 16:56:00 Baty3 k thanks
15 01:06:00 tommost auchter: Are you doing electronics stuff tomorrow?
15 01:06:00 tommost (today)
15 01:07:00 auchter (maybe)
15 02:04:00 auchter any reason?
15 03:29:00 tommost auchter: Brian was wondering.
15 03:50:00 auchter tommost: i don't have anything planned for tomorrow, but remember that we have the whole integration meeting sunday
15 04:22:00 tommost Well, I'll be by from 1-2:00 or so. G'night.
15 13:48:00 tommost_robotics auchter: The mechanical team wants to know how tall the second layer needs to be.
15 13:55:00 auchter i suppose i'll just come over there for a little bit
15 13:56:00 auchter robotics_lab: i'll be there in like 5 minutes
15 16:16:00 octavious http://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra
15 16:19:00 tommost octavious: Thank you.
15 16:19:00 octavious i dont know how well it works, but looks cool
15 16:19:00 tommost I wonder how it will combine with Xdmx.
15 21:44:00 tommost andy753421: When is the integration meeting? Tomorrow or next Sunday?
15 21:45:00 andy753421 tommost: next sunday, however we're starting 'all team' meetings tomorrow
15 21:46:00 andy753421 i don't think we'll have that much 'all team' stuff to do tomorrow so i'm not planning on sending out an e-mail or anything, then next sunday will be more important
15 21:46:00 andy753421 (tomorrow's meeting is 'technically' all team, but I don't think it's really going to be..)
15 21:50:00 tommost Okay.
15 22:05:00 tommost We should enumerate the various meeting times on the web site.
15 22:06:00 tommost What's the number of the robotics room?
15 22:07:00 andy753421 tommost: go for it
15 22:08:00 andy753421 hey! the first matlab process is back up on auditor =D
15 22:08:00 andy753421 *addiator
15 22:09:00 tommost Oh, and what about GPSes? Do we have one that works?
15 22:09:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, but I don't know if it's accurate enough for what we need
15 22:09:00 andy753421 i think it gives us a ~5-10 meter range, but I might be remember incorrectly
15 22:10:00 tommost That's pathetic.
15 22:10:00 andy753421 I think we were supposed to be able to hook it up to use DGPS, but the company won't let us because it's to old or something
15 22:10:00 andy753421 er, they won't activate the second one maybe?
15 22:10:00 andy753421 kevin might know more
15 22:11:00 tommost Okay; we can discuss it tomorrow.
15 22:13:00 tommost Is this correct? https://project.rhitrobotics.org/wiki/meeting:meetingmin
15 23:10:00 auchter so, anyone want to tell me what's up with this code? it's been driving me mad... http://rafb.net/p/spCb9d87.html
15 23:11:00 auchter calling it with d_ip(0x0123456789ABCDEF) and observing the output is very weird
15 23:12:00 andy753421 what defines u64?
15 23:12:00 auchter and i'm puzzled at how (in & (1 << 38)) is equal to 64.
15 23:12:00 auchter oh, sorry about that, unsigned long long
15 23:12:00 andy753421 so, uint64_t?
15 23:13:00 auchter i have a typedef unsigned long long u64 in a header
15 23:17:00 auchter ah, googling for uint64_t seems to say that GCC does bitwise expressions as int
15 23:18:00 auchter changing that 1 to 1LL fixed everything.
15 23:18:00 andy753421 (stdint.h)
15 23:19:00 auchter heh, didn't even know about that.
15 23:39:00 Morasique has anybody ever tried a y-cable for doing dual monitors on one vga port?
15 23:41:00 andy753421 Morasique: don't think that'll work
15 23:41:00 Morasique andy753421: suck. ok thanks
15 23:42:00 andy753421 Morasique: were you wanting separate images, or just cloned?
15 23:55:00 Morasique separate images
15 23:56:00 andy753421 so you /might/ be able to make a box that would split it, but i don't think there's any chance that just splitting the cable would work
15 23:57:00 auchter yeah, i can't possibly see that working, unless your video card is weird and has two video outputs on one jack
15 23:57:00 auchter or if it's DVI-I, and the card has the analogue and digital outputs on that port both active at the same time with different data, then it might work
15 23:58:00 Morasique i don't get how it works either, that's why i asked, it seems suspicious
15 23:58:00 Morasique i can live with my two monitors, i'm not greedy
15 23:58:00 Morasique at the moment
16 00:04:00 Morasique random question: if i plugged two keyboards into a computer, can the system tell the difference between them? i'm thinking no, but i don't really know
16 00:06:00 auchter i'd assume they'd both show up as separate devices under /dev/input... it might be worth a try
16 00:06:00 andy753421 Morasique: might depend on how they're conncected
16 00:07:00 Morasique ok, i'll mess with it later and see
16 00:24:00 Morasique gizmod can't tell the difference between a ps2 keyboard and my laptop's keyboard. it probably could with usb keyboards
16 00:38:00 auchter http://www.easycalculation.com/binary-converter.php
16 00:38:00 auchter that site does not work properly, and it just cost me 20 minutes of pain trying to figure out why my code didn't work.
16 00:39:00 auchter 0b11110000110011001010101011110101010101100110011110001111 != 0xF0CCAAF5566790
16 13:03:00 kleinjt auchter: Do you know which version of gerber file we are going to create? I tried the one from the sparkfun website, and I can't open it with gerbv.
16 13:04:00 kleinjt auchter: The one from the sparkfun website begin RS-274D
16 13:04:00 kleinjt *being..
16 14:11:00 robotics_lab auchter: Are you coming to the robotics meeting today?
16 14:12:00 robotics_lab Tom needs you to plug the accelerometer into the power supply.
16 14:13:00 tommost andy753421: Robotics!
16 14:15:00 andy753421 tommost: yea, i know, i just woke up
16 14:16:00 kleinjt tommost: is auchter there?
16 14:17:00 tommost Not yet.
16 14:17:00 tommost You should come and explain things.
16 14:17:00 kleinjt tommost: mmkay, I'll be over in a >7 minutes
16 15:31:00 tommost auchter: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=10
16 22:14:00 Morasique andy753421: did amanda stephan ever e-mail you?
16 22:16:00 andy753421 Morasique: yea, i just responded
16 22:16:00 Morasique ok. i don't know if you fixed it or she did, but she just got back to us with the problem
16 22:17:00 andy753421 is confused
16 22:17:00 andy753421 it probably wasn't me, was she asking you the same thing? (and/or is she over in the lab)?
16 22:18:00 Morasique the problem with the svn repository?
16 22:18:00 Morasique she said she was going to e-mail you about it
16 22:18:00 Morasique but it's fixed now, i wasn't sure if you were the one that fixed it or not, so if you're not you can stop investigating
16 22:18:00 andy753421 ok, i was curious as to why you were asking me about it as well
16 22:19:00 andy753421 turns out tori mistyped the repo name so it was saying 'permission denied' instead of giving a 404
16 22:19:00 Morasique yeah, it has a bad habit of doing that
16 23:40:00 andy753421 you know, layman (for gentoo) is pretty cool
16 23:41:00 andy753421 but some of the overlay names are incredibly undescriptive.. for example "Name: devnull, Description: Various Gentoo Ebuilds"
17 00:02:00 tommost Has anyone found a calendaring/tasks app that doesn't suck?
17 00:03:00 tommost I hate to say it, but Outlook is much better than anything else I've found.
17 00:05:00 andy753421 tommost: 'cal' ;)
17 00:05:00 auchter i use sunbird right now, but i'm considering moving to wyrd
17 00:06:00 tommost I have sunbird--it sucks. It currently freezes up any time I try to edit an appointment or task.
17 00:06:00 tommost I just upgrade to 0.7, too. No difference.
17 00:06:00 auchter i've never had any problems like that with it
17 00:07:00 andy753421 tommost: tried evolution? some people like that, but i've only had trouble with it
17 00:07:00 tommost Plus every theme I try for it is broken in some way--text is black when it should be white, background is white when it should be black, or it is just plain ugly (this includes the default theme).
17 00:07:00 auchter wyrd's major downside is the lack of ical support, but there are converters available
17 00:07:00 auchter that was an amazing cluster of messages
17 00:08:00 tommost I used evolution for a white--it has various annoyances.
17 00:08:00 tommost *while.
17 00:08:00 tommost auchter: Is that a console app?
17 00:08:00 auchter tommost: yes, ncurses
17 00:09:00 tommost Aiii!!! Green on blue text!
17 00:09:00 tommost I really prefer a more graphical view...
17 00:10:00 octavious its sad that some are afraid of the terminal...
17 00:11:00 tommost I'm not afraid of the terminal--it just can't display things the way that I want them displayed.
17 00:11:00 tommost I like a full-week view.
17 00:11:00 tommost And terminal box-drawing is hideous.
17 00:11:00 auchter tommost: agreed on that last point
17 00:13:00 tommost Frankly, the best calendar that I've found outside of Outlook is Google's, and that (for some incomprehensible reason) doesn't have tasks.
17 00:14:00 tommost And I'd like something native, anyway.
17 00:14:00 Morasique tommost: i have this exact problem, outlook is the only PIM i've ever liked. i use evolution at the moment, but you're right, it has a couple small problems that are really annoying
17 00:15:00 auchter you could code up some python interface to remind, which is what wyrd uses as a backend
17 00:16:00 tommost I'm not familiar with GUI programming in Python, and I don't really have time to learn it.
17 00:16:00 tommost I guess that I could do some sort of web app, but Google's already done that.
17 00:16:00 tommost Maybe I should make a tasks application?
17 00:19:00 tommost Actually, it would be neat if you could forward an e-mail to your tasks application and have it show up in your calendar.
17 00:29:00 octavious tommost: check out rememberthemilk.com
17 00:29:00 octavious i text message it tasks to add
17 00:30:00 octavious you can also IM them, and there is a gmail greasemonkey script to add it to gmail
17 00:31:00 tommost Neat.
17 00:31:00 tommost Do they have an API?
17 00:31:00 octavious yeah i think so
17 00:31:00 octavious although i have never used it
17 00:31:00 octavious i use it in combination with twitter
17 00:36:00 tommost I may just end up cloning it, though. I don't care for the privacy aspects of a web service like this. (That's what I don't like about Google calendar.)
17 00:40:00 auchter hey, at least there's one other sane person in the world.
17 02:05:00 tommost Has anyone had problems with Maple 11 and Compiz Fusion? The splash appears and then a blank window. Maple 10 runs from Addiator just fine.
17 02:09:00 auchter tommost: yeah, my roommate had that issue, there was some variable he had to set which had to do with the way maple draws things
17 02:09:00 auchter i could ask him about it tomorrow
17 02:10:00 tommost Please do. Maple 10 on Addiator is sloooow.
17 02:10:00 andy753421 there's something on the wiki about that, not sure if it's the same or not
17 02:11:00 andy753421 oh, n/m i was thinking matlab
17 02:56:00 octavious it might be the same issue
17 02:56:00 octavious AWT_TOOLKIT variable
17 02:56:00 octavious its a java issue
17 04:18:00 octavious ever used seamlessrdp?
17 04:18:00 octavious pretty cool.
17 11:33:00 Mishta2 question: anyone know of a good command line linux native to-do list manager?
17 11:36:00 andy753421 Mishta2: no, I think auchter wrote his own though, although if I remember correctly it crashes all the time ;)
17 11:37:00 andy753421 personally, i use 'vim ~/todo'
17 11:57:00 auchter function note { vim ~/tmp/notes/`/bin/date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S` }
17 11:57:00 auchter function lnote { vim ~/tmp/notes/`ls -t ~/tmp/notes | head -1` }
17 11:57:00 auchter works fine, doesn't crash :)
17 11:57:00 Morasique auchter: :D isn't this the system that usually doesn't open the right file?
17 11:58:00 Mishta2 whats all that stuff?
17 11:58:00 auchter Morasique: that was some other issue, this works fine
17 11:58:00 Morasique ah, ok
17 11:58:00 auchter note opens up a new instance of vim with a filename of the current date/time in ~/tmp/notes
17 11:58:00 auchter lnote opens up the last modified file in that directory
17 11:58:00 auchter i usually use note once per day, then lnote the rest of the day
17 11:58:00 Morasique Mishta2: if you want a graphical interface, i use this script: http://137.112.138.228/note
17 11:59:00 Mishta2 oh ok
17 11:59:00 Mishta2 thanks
17 11:59:00 auchter it goes in your ~/.bashrc, assuming you're using bash
17 11:59:00 Mishta2 hmmm
17 11:59:00 Mishta2 i am getting confused why my irc name has a 2, instead of an l
17 11:59:00 Morasique you logged out improperly before, so irc still thinks you're logged in under the old name
17 12:00:00 Morasique you can use /nickserv ghost to get rid of the old one and then /nick to rename yourself
17 12:00:00 Mishta2 makes sense. i had a few power losses
17 12:00:00 Mishta2 ok, thans
17 12:00:00 Mishta2 thanks*
17 13:03:00 Morasique 377 has suddenly turned into a giant mac fanboy celebration, i'm like 5 seconds away from interrupting
17 13:04:00 Morasique steve keeps listening mac "features" like one menubar for everything and saying "so why is that better?"
17 13:04:00 Morasique ^listening^listing
17 13:04:00 Morasique blazeix: make the mac fanboyism stop. please
17 13:04:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl
17 13:05:00 Blazeix i just logged in to IM mike about the same thing
17 13:05:00 Zeta_RHIT And that's why I tell perek the wrong room for lug on tuesdays :)
17 13:05:00 Morasique :D
17 13:05:00 Morasique oh, i just realized i used the zsh instead of the sed syntax with the ^^ thing. i imagine everyone got it anyway
17 13:06:00 Morasique he talked about expose for like 30 seconds before i figured out what he was talking about, he kept talking about "making windows smaller so you can see windows under them", i thought for sure he was talking about maximize/restore and just didn't know the name
17 13:06:00 Morasique ah, there it is again. the "shrinking windows"
17 13:06:00 Blazeix According to chenoweth: "Macs are so much better, so why hasn't Microsoft caught on? Must be patent issues"
17 13:06:00 Morasique :D omg, i missed that completely
17 13:07:00 Blazeix it was when he was talking about the separate menu bars
17 13:07:00 Morasique since when does steve like macs? this is very sudden
17 13:07:00 Blazeix We should try hitting him.
17 13:09:00 Morasique lol, "you can't back up"? move the mouse to the left steve
17 13:09:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl
17 13:10:00 Morasique i'm going to compile a list of every feature he doesn't like along with how to shut it off and e-mail it to him
17 13:11:00 Blazeix lol
17 13:11:00 Blazeix apparently steve is not a fan of icons
17 13:11:00 Blazeix could have fooled me with his desktop
17 13:12:00 Morasique :D all his icons are totally unrelated to the programs they run though
17 13:12:00 Morasique when he said "bits" instead of "pixels" i snickered out loud and sriram turned around
17 13:12:00 Morasique i should be quieter
17 13:14:00 Blazeix he just said a book about multimedia came out last year
17 13:14:00 Blazeix when multimedia was a new and uncommon thing
17 13:14:00 Morasique i should turn on my laptop mic and broadcast this class live so everyone can listen in
17 13:15:00 Morasique he just called us zen enthusiasts with empty living rooms
17 13:15:00 Morasique i'm not sure if i should be insulted or amused
17 13:16:00 Morasique there are several different aim conversations going on about this, there should be a dedicated channel for 377 every day
17 13:17:00 Morasique does steve know powerpoint has a presenting mode? you don't just have to tab through the slides
17 13:17:00 Blazeix I don't think I've ever seen him use it
17 13:17:00 Morasique when i walk in one day i'll hit f5 when i pass his machine
17 13:18:00 Blazeix The only thing that would make this better is if said, "Back at Bell Labs when I was doing GUI design in 1973..."
17 13:18:00 Morasique i'm sure it's coming, don't worry
17 13:18:00 Morasique ooooooo, he did it! presentation mode
17 13:19:00 Blazeix the browser is safari
17 13:19:00 Morasique i don't know if you've noticed the disturbing mac bias in here, but yeah, i'm not surprised :)
17 13:21:00 Morasique usually we can understand computers. clearly steve has never used ztc
17 13:21:00 Blazeix drunken swedes?
17 13:21:00 Blazeix that was an odd comparison
17 13:21:00 Morasique i think steve was just sexist, but i wasn't paying attention
17 13:23:00 Blazeix is that his example of a mobile device?
17 13:23:00 Morasique i have no idea what that thing is. radar detector?
17 13:25:00 Morasique his example of a "simple phone" is about 5 times more complicated than my cell phone. i fail
17 13:26:00 Morasique excellent, he's asking about the pros and cons of using dyknow
17 13:26:00 Blazeix aha, time to trash dyknow
17 13:29:00 Morasique to think i could've learned more spending the last 50 minutes playing urban terror. oh well
17 13:48:00 auchter Morasique: this class intrigues me, and i'm sorry i missed it.
17 13:49:00 Morasique auchter: you're really not :). it's amusing, but so is the internet, and i can do the latter from my room
17 13:50:00 auchter so who was this praising macs?
17 14:32:00 Morasique auchter: steve chenoweth
17 14:32:00 Morasique sriram chimed in on occasion, he sits in on the class
17 14:33:00 auchter why have apple users taken over the CS faculty? haha
17 14:52:00 Morasique it started with curt, he was the chink in our armor, and now we've got 3 of them and a mac in each lab
17 15:15:00 tommost The network usage tool is broken.
17 15:16:00 Zeta_RHIT in a good or bad way?
17 15:16:00 tommost In a PHP spewing SQL connection errors sort of way.
17 15:17:00 tommost It works sometimes.
17 15:17:00 tommost Maybe it's connection pool is saturate.
17 15:17:00 tommost *saturated.
17 15:33:00 Morasique tommost: i guess it finally died, it's been on and off the past couple days
17 15:35:00 tommost I just filed a support ticket.
17 15:35:00 tommost Not that I really care to much; I don't come anywhere close to my limit.
17 15:45:00 Morasique well, i do, the question is if the logging still works or not. presumably the thing that penalizes us for going over gets its information from the same database the usage tool does, so it's probably down too
17 15:45:00 tommost Hmmm... maybe I'll try downloading something large to figure that out.
17 15:46:00 Morasique this is nice: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/netscape.html
17 15:46:00 Morasique windows 3.11 for the win
17 15:46:00 tommost LOL.
17 15:46:00 tommost How did you find this?
17 15:52:00 Morasique looking through the htdocs directory tree
17 15:52:00 tommost You should file a report with the helpdesk: "This document should not exist."
17 15:55:00 Morasique :D. neither should our local install of architext: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Architext/AT-help.html
17 15:55:00 Morasique which is excite before they were named excite
17 16:07:00 collinjc Someone should install Windows 3.1 and take their computer to the helpdesk and ask why the ftp links to this software don't work.
17 16:09:00 Morasique that's not a bad idea at all, i'm always looking for new ways to annoy iait
17 16:09:00 Morasique i might file a ticket
17 16:09:00 Morasique although it'd be more fun in person
17 16:10:00 tommost I should run 3.1 via VNC on my Nokia tablet and walk in and ask about it.
17 18:16:00 quark auchter: you around?
17 23:23:00 tommost auchter_: Can you tell me how to fix Maple 11?
17 23:37:00 auchter_ tommost: are you using java maple or class worksheet?
17 23:38:00 tommost Um, Java Maple?
17 23:38:00 auchter_ s/class/classic/
17 23:38:00 tommost It bundles the JRE.
17 23:38:00 auchter_ yeah, the java interface
17 23:38:00 auchter_ but there's also a classic worksheet mode
17 23:38:00 tommost Yes, that one.
17 23:38:00 tommost (The Java one.)
17 23:38:00 auchter_ try not using that (xmaple -cw)
17 23:39:00 tommost "Classic Worksheet is not available for this platform."
17 23:40:00 auchter_ x86-64?
17 23:40:00 tommost Of course.
17 23:41:00 tommost I haven't gotten around to switching back to 32-bit yet. It'll likely happen once my hard drive arrives in the mail and I have a place to back up to.
17 23:44:00 auchter_ ok, well for java programs in general i get just pure blank windows unless i run them with AWT_Toolkit=MToolkit
17 23:49:00 tommost Is that a command line argument or an environment variable?
17 23:50:00 auchter_ environmental variable
17 23:57:00 tommost It doesn't seem to make any difference.
18 00:07:00 tommost It's AWT_TOOLKIT, all caps. Then it works.
18 00:07:00 tommost I'll put this on the Wiki.
18 00:10:00 auchter_ i think it's under the matlab section, that's just what i remembered off the top off my head
18 00:13:00 tommost It is, I see.
18 00:18:00 tommost I didn't realize that Matlab was a Java application. Or is it just the interface, like Maple?
18 00:29:00 auchter_ i believe it's just the itnerface
18 00:30:00 tommost Why do they do that?
18 00:31:00 tommost It's silly.
18 12:23:00 tommost I got a response on my Network Usage Monitor ticket---they say it's been fixed.
18 12:38:00 bolandmg That freshman girl who's always in the CS lab - she's here and she's dressed as some sort of catgirl maid.
18 12:38:00 bolandmg If I were female, I would be terrified to go anywhere near here dressed that way.
18 12:39:00 bolandmg Because we all know that rape is like saying hello in Japan.
18 12:40:00 Mishtal alice?
18 12:40:00 Mishtal interesting
18 12:40:00 bolandmg I've never really talked to her except for a quick exchange of a meme once, so I don't know her name.
18 12:48:00 Morasique steve takes a weird sadistic pleasure in annoying students. the number of times he's started a sentence with "i like this because" and then explained exactly how something is going to piss us off
18 12:59:00 Morasique steve is telling us how the technique we're learning was developed by the USSR, and he's pretty happy about it. i suspect steve may be a communist. it would explain the mac usage
18 13:11:00 andy753421 auchter_: did you ever do anything about getting computer for plan9?
18 13:11:00 auchter_ andy753421: yeah, i sent the email the other day and got an automated response
18 13:12:00 andy753421 ok, we'll have to ask daryl about it
18 13:13:00 Morasique he's going to be doing lab maintenance this afternoon, you should corner him
18 13:13:00 auchter_ i'm going to be in an ece200 lab the rest of the day, so i won't be able to
18 13:13:00 auchter_ i think he's in his office now though. after i finish this memo i'll go ask him
18 13:13:00 andy753421 alright, i'll see if I can find him in a bit
18 13:17:00 auchter_ andy753421: damn, he escaped from his office.
18 13:18:00 andy753421 mcleish or daryl?
18 13:18:00 auchter_ mcleish wasn't in his office when i walked by 10 minutes ago, daryl was. however, he's no longer there
18 13:18:00 andy753421 alright
18 13:41:00 Mishtal boland: let me bug you for another tip. i have for my sn-list-map
18 13:41:00 Mishtal ((snlist-recur (lambda (x) (cons (proc x))) proc 1) snlst)))
18 13:41:00 Mishtal but am getting back what i give it.
18 13:41:00 Mishtal is there an issue with my first arg?
18 17:48:00 auchter_ andy753421: any news from daryl?
18 17:57:00 andy753421 i didn't go over :/
18 17:58:00 andy753421 although they're doing server stuffs so maybe they'll be around later
18 18:03:00 auchter_ ok
18 18:04:00 rr72 is HDMI audio and video?
18 18:06:00 rr72 any ps3 owners? (dumb question i know but who is one)
18 18:06:00 rr72 HDMI is both i know
18 19:00:00 kleinjt auchter_: I added a powerpole eagle library to the svn
18 19:01:00 kleinjt I am having some trouble with the ground plane, are you going to be at the meeting?
18 19:07:00 auchter_ kleinjt: yeah, i'll be there
18 19:08:00 auchter_ so what problem are you having?
18 19:10:00 kleinjt auchter_: things get messy. whenever I place down the powerpole connector package I made it pushes the ground plane out of the way
18 19:10:00 auchter_ ah, i think i see it
18 19:12:00 auchter_ kleinjt: yeah that's crazy... the package outline definitely shouldn't do that
18 19:13:00 kleinjt I'll change the layer of the outline, I donno, is outline the right layer for outlines?
18 19:16:00 auchter_ kleinjt: i changed the outline to tPlace and it looks fine now
18 19:17:00 auchter_ i'll commit my changes in one minute
18 19:18:00 auchter_ are we at the max size for eagle?
18 19:20:00 kleinjt I don't think so, eagles can get pretty big.
18 19:20:00 kleinjt Uh... yeah, the board is pretty much at the limit
18 19:21:00 auchter_ haha, alright
18 19:21:00 kleinjt We might be able to squeeze the pic on the near the bottom, if we went surface mount or something
18 19:21:00 auchter_ i'm going to move some stuff around
18 19:21:00 auchter_ kleinjt: no, we'll do that on another board
18 19:21:00 kleinjt yeah, we've got wasted space on the top and bottom
18 19:37:00 auchter_ kleinjt: committed changes, let me know what you think
18 19:37:00 auchter_ (it's a bit rough yet)
18 19:41:00 auchter_ alright, i'm heading over now
18 20:48:00 Morasique :( (hug)
18 20:48:00 Morasique er. not you #rhlug. no hugs for you
18 20:48:00 Morasique i suck at window management
18 21:18:00 quark what gets libc and gcc and all that on ubuntu
18 21:19:00 Morasique quark: build-essential
18 21:19:00 quark oh
18 21:19:00 quark it seems I already have that
18 21:21:00 Morasique the list of things that come with it is at /usr/share/build-essential/list, libc and gcc are both on it
18 21:56:00 octavious k
18 22:48:00 tommost http://www.abyssandapex.com/200710-wikihistory.html
19 10:23:00 Morasique povilus: your lack of naming convention makes me sad
19 10:23:00 Morasique "povilus-desktop" and "povilusr_kaaba". nonsense
19 13:44:00 tommost OMG activity on #elphel!
19 14:18:00 tommost andy753421: This seems interesting: http://code.google.com/p/python-safethread/
19 14:18:00 tommost Not production-ready, though.
19 18:43:00 tommost andy753421: I made a shadowless version of the LUG wiki stylesheet for those of you with less recent computers.
19 18:44:00 tommost http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/styles.noshadow.css
19 18:50:00 TheRoot i
19 18:50:00 tommost What was that?
19 22:05:00 Mishtal is anyone in quality assurance this term?
19 22:05:00 Mishtal for an assignment, we have to download executibles that were compiled on addiator, execute
19 22:05:00 Mishtal chmod +x filename
19 22:05:00 Mishtal and then run the prog.
19 22:05:00 Mishtal would anyone know why bash is returning bash: ./dates: cannot execute binary file ?
19 22:08:00 Mishtal never mind, i answered my own question
19 22:43:00 Morasique curt clifton sent out instructions for installing haskell on our machines: "Windows users: you'll have time to install during class tomorrow. Linux users: You should try to install Hugs before class so you have time to resolve any issues"
19 22:43:00 Morasique I don't think I like his tone
19 22:43:00 Morasique I wish he'd included a mac section, but he apparently realized nobody in the room uses them but him
19 22:49:00 auchter i think there's even a Hugs port for Plan 9
19 23:12:00 auchter one thing i must say in support of the mac users, is at least they understand that there is more than one operating system out there
19 23:12:00 auchter though their smugness pretty much cancels that out most of the time
19 23:13:00 Morasique of course they understand, they need to know so they can mock endlessly
19 23:14:00 auchter well, i meant in opposition to windows users, who seem to just look with contempt on everyting other than windows
19 23:18:00 tommost Let's be fair to the Windows users: most of them realize how much it sucks.
19 23:19:00 Morasique i don't think most of them know what an OS is really, but those that do, yes, they realize
19 23:19:00 tommost Or, if they are not aware of the magnitude of the suckage, they at least have WINDOWS_SUCKS = True floating around somewhere.
19 23:52:00 Morasique is anyone in 377 in here?
20 17:04:00 andy753421 someone who's coming to the lug meeting should bring along flat head screwdriver
20 17:04:00 tommost How large?
20 17:05:00 andy753421 medium
20 17:05:00 tommost No 2?
20 17:05:00 tommost *No == number
20 17:05:00 Blazeix I think they just got it with a set of keys
20 17:06:00 tommost So no screwdriver necessary?
20 17:06:00 Blazeix nope
20 17:07:00 Blazeix or yes.
20 17:07:00 Blazeix we don't need a screwdriver, depending on how you interpret the question
20 20:59:00 andy753421 auchter: get anywhere with the plan9 install?
20 21:11:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, so when you turn on the combined mode, it disables one of the two sata ports
20 21:11:00 auchter moving the cdrom drive to sata0 let it boot
20 21:12:00 auchter so i'm going to put the hard drvie on sata0 and install using an ide cdrom
20 21:13:00 andy753421 alright
20 21:14:00 auchter i'll also bring in a crummy pci network card, so we can at least access one of the machiens remotely for now
20 21:15:00 andy753421 sounds good
20 21:22:00 collinjc auchter: speaking of which, did you ever get a hold of an IDE CD drive?
20 21:22:00 auchter collinjc: yeah, i've got one that i'm not using
20 21:22:00 collinjc awesome.
20 23:33:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Library/info/usingISU.htm
20 23:33:00 auchter Section 2: "To bowwow books from ISU,"
20 23:36:00 Morasique wow. how has nobody ever noticed that?
20 23:37:00 auchter i'm wondering how it got there in the first place, unless they were using shoddy speech recognition to type the page..
21 01:21:00 Morasique wtf. somehow i opened my irc client way too many times
21 14:37:00 tommost So did anything happen at the meeting yesterday besides Plan9 boxen diagnostics?
21 14:44:00 auchter tommost: not really
21 14:47:00 tommost Is Plan9 working on the boxes?
21 14:47:00 auchter it will be by the end of the night
21 14:47:00 auchter at least on one box, unless anyone else has some PCI network cards
21 14:48:00 tommost I have one...it might work. Only 10 Mbps, though.
21 14:49:00 auchter ah, that's a problem...
21 14:51:00 tommost 'cmon---NE2000. It's compatible with every operating system since Windows 3.1!
21 14:53:00 Zeta_RHIT has a spare pci network card @ vq
21 14:54:00 auchter tommost: it's also completely awful in every way
21 14:54:00 auchter Zeta_RHIT: that might be helpful if you're not using it. i only have one spare one and we have three boxes
21 14:54:00 auchter i'm going to try to get the internal cards working first, though
21 14:54:00 tommost Hey now---it might be capable of full duplex. That gets you 20 Mbps of total bandwidth!
21 14:57:00 auchter tommost: i was referring to the entire design of the card, not just the (lack of) bandwidth
21 14:57:00 tommost Explain.
21 14:58:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
21 15:03:00 auchter for one, it uses programmed io
21 15:04:00 auchter you know how much i love wasting CPU cycles
21 15:04:00 tommost Anything else?
21 15:06:00 auchter probably, but that's enough for me to hate it
21 15:06:00 tommost Does the programmed I/O make it easier or more difficult to write drivers for it?
21 15:11:00 auchter not partivcularly sure
21 17:05:00 tommost #elphel is being entertaining.
21 17:30:00 auchter plan9 install is going
21 17:33:00 andy753421 auchter: where are you? I might stop by later if you're still around, but i need to finish cooking dinner first
21 17:34:00 auchter f217
21 17:34:00 auchter the install is going horribly slow for some reason
21 17:53:00 auchter so, new ubuntu with wubi
21 17:53:00 auchter thoughts on using that for the OS classes next year instead of the partition resizing scheme we do currently?
21 18:25:00 tommost I prefer the partition resizing. Because it's harder to undo.
21 18:25:00 tommost ;-)
21 18:28:00 Morasique tommost: i know you're joking, but i agree for the same reason. i tried VMing linux a bunch of times, and when i couldn't figure something out i would just switch back to windows to do it, actually booting linux forces you to learn it
21 18:28:00 auchter i think that wubi does actually force you to boot into linux though
21 18:29:00 auchter just without the hassle of repartitioning
21 18:29:00 tommost Yeah, how does it work, exactly?
21 18:29:00 andy753421 i think it stores the disk image on the NTFS partition and then just boots from that
21 18:29:00 andy753421 i guess there's a ntfs-read kernel module that it uses or something
21 18:29:00 auchter that's what i gathered
21 18:30:00 andy753421 being ubuntu, it's rather vague on details
21 18:30:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_%28Ubuntu%29
21 18:30:00 Morasique "It is not a virtual machine, but rather, it creates a stand-alone installation within a loopmounted device, also known as a disk image, like Topologilinux does"
21 18:38:00 auchter ok, plan 9 is installed and booting
21 18:40:00 andy753421 does it have a network card?
21 18:41:00 auchter yeah, i brought one. the thing is, the other 2 machines do not have standard pci mounting bracket heights
21 18:42:00 auchter so unless we take off the back-plate, we can't put pci network cards in there
21 18:46:00 andy753421 ok
21 18:51:00 auchter what should this machine be called?
21 19:01:00 andy753421 we need three names.
21 19:02:00 auchter indeed
21 19:02:00 auchter but for now i'm working on the cpu server
21 19:14:00 auchter ok, so the compilation is giving me issues
21 19:14:00 andy753421 ok.. i don't think i'm going to do anything with it tonight
21 19:15:00 auchter me neither, i'm hungry. do you think i should just put the machine next to the NeXT in F217, or bring it back to the robotics lab?
21 19:16:00 andy753421 you can probably leave it there and/or by the other monitors
21 19:17:00 andy753421 just put a note by it saying that it has plan9 on it
22 01:07:00 tommost andy753421: Remember when I was talking about monkeypatching before? Apparently it's more a RoR thing than a Ruby thing: http://avdi.org/devblog/2008/02/23/why-monkeypatching-is-destroying-ruby/
22 14:56:00 andy753421 auchter: did you have a chance to get the board[s] for robotics fabricated?
22 15:05:00 auchter andy753421: no, i'm actually working on it right now. i wasn't happy with the way the power was getting onto the board
22 15:06:00 andy753421 ok, we're going to be having a work day tomorrow, what all stuff do you have that needs to be mounted on the robot?
22 15:07:00 andy753421 Also, when are we going to replace the motherboard? I imagine we can still mount the box for it though
22 15:08:00 auchter yeah. antenna, a plate for mounting the motor controllers on (i need to talk to mechanical about hole positions etc.), gps antenna, the microstrain needs to be mounted
22 15:08:00 auchter we need to discuss where the batteries and circuit breakers will go, too
22 15:08:00 andy753421 alright, sounds good
22 15:09:00 auchter since i don't think we've talked about that
22 15:09:00 auchter and that's quite large...
22 15:23:00 auchter i need to remember to turn my server back on after i take parts out of it so i don't sit here wondering why my svn commits are timing out...
22 17:20:00 Morasique any guesses why openoffice writer would refuse to print using cups-pdf? it's been doing it for a couple days, it prints to any other cups printer, and all my other programs print to cups-pdf fine, including the other openoffice programs, but nothing happens if i print to cups-pdf in writer, nothing shows up in the cups-pdf log with full logging on
22 19:50:00 auchter andy753421: http://www.trimble.com/pdf/bd960_ds.pdf
22 19:53:00 tommost That looks interesting. It goes nicely with the camera. How much does it cost?
22 19:55:00 auchter looks like you need to request a price from them, which probably means $morethanwecanafford
22 19:55:00 andy753421 yea, probably, but it'd be worth checking into
22 19:59:00 andy753421 we need to look into what subscription free DGPS signals are available in that area
22 20:17:00 auchter so the mkfile for the plan9 kernel is definitely broken
22 20:17:00 auchter i hacked it apart and pretty much wrecked it, but at least it will build a kernel now.
22 20:22:00 auchter well, it boots the cpu/auth kernel and i can kinda drawterm to it...
22 20:23:00 auchter hey, i can drawterm just fine!
22 20:23:00 auchter so it looks like it's working
22 20:36:00 andy753421 auchter: how did you go about installing drawterm?
22 20:40:00 auchter i just downloaded the gzipped binary from http://swtch.com/drawterm/
22 20:41:00 auchter i moved the plan9 box back to the robotics lab, i'm going to boot it up and hope that that network card was registered last year...
22 20:41:00 auchter i'm going to be heading out here in a few minutes, i haven
22 20:41:00 andy753421 heh, that would be nice, we still need drivers for it though don't we?
22 20:41:00 auchter 't eaten in a while
22 20:41:00 auchter andy753421: i have one of my network cards in it
22 20:41:00 andy753421 oh ok
22 20:42:00 andy753421 i guess that would make sense, seeing as how you could drawterm to it
22 20:42:00 auchter indeed
22 20:42:00 auchter ok, i'll be back in a while
22 20:47:00 andy753421 auchter: let me know when it's back up (and what it's hostname/ip address is)
22 20:51:00 auchter 137.112.99.248
22 20:51:00 auchter the mac address is not registered, so i don't know how long it will keep that ip
23 00:52:00 auchter 705h1b4
23 00:53:00 auchter TOSHIBA!
23 00:53:00 andy753421 i must have missed something..
23 00:53:00 auchter not much, leet speek comes to me with caffeine
23 00:55:00 tommost What is that? The vendor prefix of the Plan9 box's MAC address?
23 00:55:00 andy753421 my guess is one of auchter's passwords
23 00:55:00 tommost Seven characters, Auchter? Come on...
23 00:55:00 auchter h is hex
23 00:56:00 auchter indeed it was a password of mine, for my local machine
23 00:56:00 auchter i use a very short password, since i don't really care about it
23 00:57:00 auchter the passphrase for my encrypted home drive, on the other hand...
23 00:58:00 auchter i blame slock for this... it's indistinguishible from the acpi blanking
23 00:58:00 tommost Wish you'd spend those processor cycles now, hun?
23 00:58:00 tommost *huh?
23 01:00:00 auchter it's not the processor cycles that i use slock for
23 01:00:00 tommost The confusion?
23 01:00:00 andy753421 tommost: the ram
23 01:00:00 auchter xlockmore is slow to give another prompt when i enter in my password wrong
23 01:01:00 auchter slock is instant
23 01:02:00 tommost Yeah, why don't they use an exponential backoff for that? The 3-second delay is annoying.
23 01:03:00 auchter yeah, i like the instant response of slock. the second i realize that i may have mistyped a character, i just press enter and start over
23 01:04:00 auchter yeah, i can't drawterm to the plan 9 box from off campus
23 01:04:00 auchter i can rdesktop to ts1.rose-hulman.edu and then drawterm...
23 01:04:00 tommost How on earth...?
23 01:05:00 auchter the mac isn't registered, and there's no way to do it without human (if you can call them that) intervention
23 01:05:00 tommost No, I mean, what are you running on ts1 to make it work?
23 01:05:00 auchter drawterm
23 01:05:00 auchter http://swtch.com/drawterm
23 01:06:00 andy753421 auchter: can you pull the mac address off the onboard card and then spoof that with yours?
23 01:07:00 auchter i was going to spoof my laptop's one before i left for a few hours... i was going to see if plan9 allows you to do that
23 01:08:00 andy753421 i'm pretty sure i remember seeing an option for that, let me check
23 01:09:00 andy753421 http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/6/ndb has an option for 'ether'
23 01:11:00 auchter yeah, i was thinking that, but didn't know if writing to it actually changed it
23 02:37:00 andy753421 I think rose should get connected to the internet2 network
23 02:38:00 auchter indeed, i don't understand why we're not
23 02:39:00 andy753421 I was looking into it, one of it's fiber lines is already going tough terre haute
23 02:39:00 auchter for ISU, i assume?
23 02:39:00 andy753421 hehe, iait support ticket anyone :P
23 02:40:00 auchter s/anyone/everyone/g
23 02:40:00 andy753421 auchter: no, ISU is not connected to it, although purdue and IU are
23 02:40:00 auchter ah, strange
23 02:40:00 andy753421 I think it's just the easiest route between Indy and St. Louis
23 02:41:00 andy753421 http://paintsquirrel.ucs.indiana.edu/fiber_map.pdf/
23 02:42:00 andy753421 actually, it looks like that line goes south to purdue not west
23 02:42:00 andy753421 er, wait, purdue isn't south is it?
23 02:42:00 andy753421 well. someone is..
23 02:43:00 andy753421 there's a level3 map that shows a line going from indy to st. louis as well though.. http://www.level3.com/images/global_map/Level_3_Network_map.pdf
23 02:46:00 auchter heh, that level 3 map makes xpdf lag horribly
23 02:46:00 andy753421 yea, did the same for gpdf/evince, acroread works better though
23 02:56:00 auchter i think it's just sad that we have 137.112.*.*, and only a 45Mb/s connection
23 02:56:00 andy753421 i really would like to know how much we pay for that
23 02:56:00 andy753421 also interesting: http://ilight.grnoc.iu.edu/pricing.php
23 02:58:00 andy753421 i wonder if i submitted a support ticket if I could find out how much we're paying for our internet connection.. my guess is not, but i think it's worth a try
23 03:02:00 auchter i doubt they'd say
23 03:02:00 andy753421 my guess is that it's some sort of confidential agreement
23 03:02:00 auchter possibly
23 03:02:00 auchter they get their connection from indiana fiber, right?
23 03:03:00 andy753421 maybe? looking at the indianafiber website it looks like that might not actually be a company or something
23 03:03:00 auchter it's a "consortium"
23 03:03:00 auchter http://www.indianafiber.net/RoseHulman.doc
23 03:04:00 auchter âWith this infrastructure in place, Rose Hulman now has the capability to connect at Gigabit Ethernet speeds and higher. They no longer have the normal bandwidth restrictions associated with copper loops, and virtually future proofs their network.
23 03:04:00 auchter so apparently they're just cheap bastards
23 03:05:00 andy753421 heh, well, i imagine that indiana fiber has to pay for whatever bandwith we use as well
23 16:24:00 auchter 137.112.99.106
23 17:27:00 auchter oh the pain of drawterm over the internet...
23 17:35:00 Mishtal ?
23 17:35:00 Mishtal draw term?
23 17:39:00 andy753421 auchter: slow?
23 17:40:00 andy753421 you might be able to tunnel it though a gzipped connection..
23 17:50:00 andy753421 why the hell do we have a wiki article on burlap sacks?
23 17:51:00 auchter that is the most awesome thing ever.
23 17:52:00 auchter i blame bsb basement.
23 17:54:00 auchter leeis and beallyjc are the current owners of those two ips...
23 18:01:00 kleinjt they spelled sack wrong on the page :/ How does one change the article title?
23 18:02:00 Morasique "how does one change the title"? you're looking at this very wrong
23 18:02:00 Morasique how does one delete the article forever
23 18:02:00 Morasique andy, steward power
23 18:02:00 kleinjt mmmkay, so I don't have permission to do that?
23 18:02:00 Morasique no, i think andy is the only admin on the wiki
23 18:12:00 auchter i vote for leaving the page
23 18:13:00 tommost I just moved it to Burlap sack
23 18:20:00 tommost I say we e-mail them, asking them to elaborate and provide a step-by-step pictorial guide.
23 18:20:00 Blazeix tommost: I like the description of the change
23 18:21:00 Blazeix leeis would probably do that
23 18:21:00 tommost They should be required to outdo this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlap_sack
23 18:21:00 tommost (Not a difficult task.)
23 18:22:00 Morasique the move log comment is spot on
23 18:23:00 kleinjt I thought about adding some extra warnings, such as how to determine if the piece of burlap is already a sack. But, I thought part of the humor was in the simplicity, so I left it.
23 18:24:00 auchter in fact, i have a burlap sack sitting right next to me
23 18:24:00 tommost No, I think going all-out would be more amusing.
23 18:25:00 tommost Excellent! Take a photo and post it.
23 18:25:00 tommost (Or not...)
23 18:25:00 auchter i only have a 35mm camera
23 18:25:00 tommost Bring it in some day.
23 18:29:00 auchter but i have coffee in it
23 18:30:00 tommost That makes it excellent for documenting one of the common uses for burlap sacks.
23 18:30:00 auchter i'm worried for the safety of the coffee
23 18:31:00 tommost Anyone else have a sack, then?
23 18:52:00 tommost I need a third thing to add to the e-mail I'm writing them.
23 18:52:00 tommost I already have pictorial guide and a photo gallery.
23 18:59:00 tommost Here's the e-mail: http://dpaste.com/40933/ Thoughts?
23 19:00:00 Blazeix you could sent them a link to this site for reference material: http://www.eburlap.com/
23 19:01:00 Blazeix that's an excellent email
23 19:04:00 tommost I think that I'm going to send it, unless anyone has suggestions. (I've added a reference to that web site in suggestion no. 2.)
23 19:07:00 tommost Okay, it's been sent.
23 19:08:00 Morasique leeis just got it, he's laughing about it
23 19:29:00 tommost Someone needs to fix the PGP key exchange's SSL certificate. It's seriously wrong.
23 19:30:00 tommost andy753421: Did you ask on #python about our serial port issues?
23 21:47:00 Morasique i have an eclipse project under svn, and i tried to remove the bin folder from version control, so i did "svn del bin/" and i get "Commit succeeded, but other errors follow: Error bumping revisions post-commit". I have no idea what that is, so I try an update and it restored the bin folder I deleted and for apparently no reason deletes most of the src folder
23 21:48:00 Morasique i had a backup so it's not a big deal, but i have no idea how svn translated "svn del bin/; svn update" into "delete most of the src folder but leave a couple files randomly"
23 23:09:00 kleinjt http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=2169496&enterthread=y <-- with luck, we might be able to get a gallery up. I'm expecting to get flamed though.
23 23:12:00 tommost The GNU FDL would work just fine, too.
23 23:12:00 kleinjt ok, I'll edit the post
23 23:13:00 kleinjt Er.. I'll use it as an excuse to bump once the post drops down a little more.
23 23:16:00 auchter i like how the burlap sack page has generated the most interest/attention of any page on the wiki in quite some time
23 23:32:00 auchter also, bela.plan9.phire.org (or alternatively just plan9.phire.org) goes to the plan9 box
24 01:22:00 tommost kleinjt: Wow, you're getting responses.
24 01:30:00 tommost andy753421: I made a log prettifier: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/log/
24 01:37:00 Morasique the three of you talk way too much compared to the rest of us
24 01:39:00 Morasique i should fiddle with my nickname until the md5 hash makes the color i want
24 01:43:00 tommost I'm not quite happy with my own color.
24 01:46:00 tommost I just changed the colors. ;-)
24 01:49:00 Morasique i might get unlazy enough to write a greasemonkey script that swaps my color with zeta's, i like his
24 01:51:00 tommost I'm fond of Andy's, myself.
24 01:51:00 tommost I'd like to find a setting where auchter and I have less similar colors, too.
24 01:51:00 tommost The combination of similar colors and similar lengths impedes readability.
24 01:52:00 Morasique you could just have a fixed list of good colors that you choose from sequentially instead of generating them
24 01:53:00 tommost Yeah, that's a better solution. I was just too lazy to actually implement it.
24 01:53:00 tommost I did it for my Network Usage Tool Greasemonkey script.
24 01:53:00 tommost (For the bar graphs.)
24 08:40:00 andy753421 *reads the log*
24 08:41:00 andy753421 oh, tom's not here anymore, i guess i'll have to stop back in a little bit
24 11:49:00 tommost DFS Public Key login!!!
24 11:49:00 tommost shakes booty
24 11:55:00 Morasique wow. that should be stricken from the log forever
24 12:00:00 tommost It was purely mental, I assure you.
24 12:52:00 Morasique blazeix just noticed this, it's on our daily quiz in steve's class: "Explain why a Macintosh pull-down menu can be accessed at least five times faster than a typical Windows pull-down menu. For extra credit, suggest at least two reasons why Microsoft made such an apparently stupid decision"
24 12:56:00 andy753421 tommost: if you make the log viewer not require a cron job i'll put it up on the server
24 12:57:00 andy753421 also, the certificates are broken because i run a couple other vhosts on the same machine, and one of the other ones was using SSL before lug.phire.org was
24 14:34:00 tommost andy753421: Would a CGI-script work?
24 14:34:00 tommost Or would you prefer something in PHP?
24 14:35:00 andy753421 CGI works
24 15:37:00 tommost andy753421: What's the absolute path to the log directory?
24 15:38:00 tommost Well, that was helpful.
24 16:09:00 tommost Has anyone written a Greasemonkey script to auto-login to Angel?
24 16:14:00 auchter i'm not terribly happy about having to use windows to get public key login going on dfs...
24 16:14:00 tommost We really have to?
24 16:14:00 auchter "Due to limitations of search paths for VShell for Windows (a feature request has been submitted), you will need to upload your public keys to both of the DFS SFTP servers by:... Login to each connection and select Tools->Public-Key Assistant..."
24 16:14:00 tommost Oh, I see.
24 16:15:00 auchter in the email they sent me
24 16:17:00 auchter awesome, securefx just crashed
24 16:18:00 auchter hey, it crashed again
24 16:18:00 auchter windows software makes me so happy
24 16:19:00 auchter now whenever i get halfway through typing my password into securefx, it minimizes
24 16:20:00 tommost Angel autologin: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24321
24 16:20:00 auchter gah, and it crashed again.
24 16:20:00 tommost LOL!
24 16:21:00 auchter apparently it uploaded fine though...
24 16:21:00 tommost *Laughing out loud. (...need to up my character count, edge out Andy...)
24 16:21:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/fCWyxu21.html
24 16:22:00 auchter how worthless is that?
24 16:22:00 tommost Are you trying to do this from a terminal server or something?
24 16:22:00 auchter uploading the key, yeah
24 16:23:00 auchter and it shows my key as uploaded, and the server defintely recognizes and accepts it
24 16:23:00 auchter it just feels the need to also prompt for my password
24 18:09:00 tommost andy753421: I've written a CGI script.
24 18:09:00 tommost You'll need to modify it slightly to make it reflect the absolute path to the logs.
24 18:11:00 andy753421 alright
24 19:08:00 andy753421 tommost: sorry, no future allowed
24 19:08:00 tommost No Python 2.5?
24 19:08:00 andy753421 nope
24 19:09:00 tommost 2.4 at least, I hope?
24 19:09:00 andy753421 yea
24 19:09:00 tommost Okay. I barely use those features anyway.
24 19:11:00 tommost Done.
24 19:12:00 tommost I removed the with statement. (New division semantics are implemented in 2.4, though I don't think that I actually use it in the script.)
24 19:17:00 andy753421 tommost: "ImportError: cannot import name defautdict"
24 19:18:00 tommost Oh... that's a 2.5ism. I used that a *lot*.
24 19:18:00 tommost Any chance of 2.5?
24 19:18:00 andy753421 nope ;)
24 19:18:00 andy753421 at least not until it goes stable for gentoo
24 19:19:00 tommost You are cruel.
24 19:19:00 andy753421 heh heh heh
24 19:20:00 tommost I am forced to implement defaultdict myself. It will be slow.
24 19:28:00 andy753421 tommost: better not be to slow ;)
24 19:30:00 tommost Two dictionary accesses per access---that would be less than half the speed.
24 19:30:00 tommost Still constant time, just a slower constant. ;-p
24 19:31:00 andy753421 O(len(key))..
24 19:31:00 tommost Not if the key's an int.
24 19:33:00 andy753421 goes by pointer addresses of strings?
24 19:34:00 tommost No, strings are immutable, but not unique (aside from very short ones, which are cached [presumably in a hash table]).
24 19:35:00 andy753421 hm.. why would you want to cache short strings?
24 19:36:00 tommost Because the entire interpreter is based around short identifier strings and hash table lookups?
24 19:37:00 andy753421 but there's no way looking up a string in a hash table is faster than iterating over ~8 characters
24 19:38:00 andy753421 i mean, 8 char's can be casted to a long and tested with integer operations
24 19:38:00 tommost No, I mean instances are cached and returned at instantiation.
24 19:39:00 andy753421 ah, that makes a bit more sense
24 19:39:00 tommost I could be wrong though... past this point I'm going to have to plead ignorance.
24 19:45:00 tommost Does it work now?
24 19:46:00 Morasique pleading ignorance? what are you thinking? just keep talking and using big words until you win
24 19:51:00 tommost Andy knows that I don't know C well enough to talk at length about the implementation details of a large C program. Lengthy syllabic sequences would little help my case.
24 19:54:00 andy753421 Morasique: and by win you mean 'get ignored' :)
24 19:55:00 Morasique as long as nobody questions you it's a win
24 20:02:00 tommost So does my "does it work now" count as a win?
24 20:23:00 tommost Does it work?
24 20:25:00 andy753421 oh, completely missed you saying that
24 20:25:00 andy753421 (let me check)
24 20:28:00 auchter holy crap, how did i not know about the -C option to ssh?
24 20:31:00 andy753421 does that help drawterm?
24 20:33:00 andy753421 tommost: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/py.err
24 20:33:00 auchter i get a strange error trying to drawterm on addiator
24 20:33:00 auchter but X forwarding in general feels just like i'm on the rose network
24 20:34:00 tommost That's weird. I don't do anything with the referer [sic].
24 20:36:00 tommost Where is it installed?
24 20:36:00 tommost Oh, I see.
24 20:37:00 tommost I don't get that error.
24 20:38:00 tommost I intended it to be mod_rewrite'd to, though. It expects the relative path to the log file to be in PATH_INFO.
24 20:39:00 andy753421 er, you can't put relative paths in PATHINFO (at least not ../ paths)
24 20:39:00 tommost Yeah, I was expecting that it would get dropped directly into irc/
24 20:39:00 andy753421 oh
24 20:40:00 andy753421 can i just specify a LOG_DIR variable, and then have it use a file from that?
24 20:40:00 tommost It would be trivial to modify the CGI, though.
24 20:40:00 tommost Sure.
24 20:40:00 andy753421 (that would make the security easier too, since you couldn't do anything relative)
24 20:40:00 tommost Well, it's already secure if you modified the absolute path in the CGI.
24 20:40:00 tommost But sure.
24 20:40:00 tommost I'll modify the CGI.
24 20:48:00 tommost I've modified the CGI.
24 20:49:00 tommost I also added some quickie directory listing.
24 20:51:00 tommost Just mod_rewrite such that irc/logview/ and irc/logview/*.log go to log.cgi.
24 20:52:00 tommost You'll also need to snag my stylesheet, or things won't look too great.
24 21:03:00 tommost andy753421: Any progress?
24 21:03:00 andy753421 it's still giving key errors with the PATH_INFO thing
24 21:04:00 andy753421 is pathinfo really an attribute of os.environ?
24 21:04:00 tommost It's a CGI environmental variable.
24 21:04:00 tommost Everything that comes after log.cgi in the path.
24 21:05:00 andy753421 shouldn't that be different than os.environ?
24 21:06:00 tommost Nope.
24 21:06:00 tommost CGI sets up regular environmental variables.
24 21:07:00 andy753421 tommost: that makes me want to die
24 21:07:00 tommost CGI should make you want to die.
24 21:07:00 tommost Here's a list: http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html
24 21:11:00 auchter what's so bad about CGI setting up environmental variables?
24 21:12:00 andy753421 eh, i guess it works, it justs seems strange though
24 21:12:00 auchter i makes writing dynamic sites in rc very nice...
24 21:13:00 andy753421 yea, i guess that's a good point, everything i've ever used just had the server variables set in some special object
24 21:14:00 tommost What should make you want to cry about CGI isn't the environmental variables---it's spawning a new process for every request.
24 21:26:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/log.cgi/2007-12.log
24 21:26:00 andy753421 i made a few changes, and make the margins smaller
24 21:27:00 Blazeix nice
24 21:28:00 tommost Um, you threw out my entire stylesheet.
24 21:28:00 andy753421 oh, apparently i didn't bother downloading it
24 21:28:00 Blazeix although it looks like these hyperlinks are incorrect: http://lug.phire.org/irc/logview/log.cgi/
24 21:28:00 andy753421 yea, well, deal with it
24 21:29:00 andy753421 or write me a rewrite script, because I don't feel like it
24 21:29:00 tommost My stylesheet! My beautiful stylesheet!
24 21:30:00 andy753421 ough, those lines are way to space out
24 21:30:00 tommost Reduce the line height.
24 21:30:00 tommost s/1.8/1.5/
24 21:32:00 tommost Now you should mod_rewrite to remove log.cgi from the URL.
24 21:33:00 andy753421 no, _you_ should
24 21:33:00 tommost I'd be happy to.
24 21:33:00 andy753421 so send me a link to a htaccess
24 21:33:00 andy753421 i for one, hate mod_rewrite
24 21:34:00 tommost mod_rewrite is a thing of beauty. Painful beauty, but beauty nonetheless.
24 21:34:00 andy753421 why are you using display:inline-block;?
24 21:34:00 tommost It produces a uniform indent in supporting browsers.
24 21:35:00 andy753421 you know, when you want to display three columns of tabular data, there's this neat thing for doing that
24 21:35:00 andy753421 it's called a _table_
24 21:35:00 andy753421 *DELETED*
24 21:35:00 tommost No, I wanted the text to wrap.
24 21:35:00 tommost You can't do that with a table.
24 21:36:00 andy753421 why would you want it to wrap on the bottom?
24 21:36:00 tommost What?
24 21:36:00 andy753421 i can see wrapping in the same column, but overflowing into the other columns?
24 21:38:00 tommost I wanted a hanging indent with the timestamp to the left, the nicks taking up uniform horizontal space, and the text wrapping below the nick.
24 21:38:00 tommost Compact, yet readable.
24 21:38:00 andy753421 that doesn't make any sense, it's like a half table
24 21:38:00 tommost You should change the font size to 13px, I think. It's a tad too large.
24 21:39:00 andy753421 or change it to default..
24 21:39:00 tommost I remember thinking that that was *way* too large.
24 21:40:00 andy753421 then, font-size:smaller; that way it scales and uses the browsers font size
24 21:40:00 tommost Every browser except IE<=6 can scale it just fine.
24 21:41:00 andy753421 how do you scale a pixel value?
24 21:41:00 tommost Insert "DirectoryIndex log.cgi" in a .htaccess file in the viewlog directory --- no mod_rewrite necessary.
24 21:41:00 andy753421 (firefox seemed to, but i figured that was a bug..)
24 21:41:00 tommost Ctrl+/- in Firefox.
24 21:41:00 tommost CSS pixels aren't the same thing as screen pixels.
24 21:41:00 tommost For instance, they can scale with a high-dpi screen.
24 21:41:00 tommost WebKit already has some functionality to this end.
24 21:42:00 andy753421 :'(
24 21:42:00 andy753421 anyway, that won't work because you'll still have to do logview/log.cgi/2007-12.log
24 21:42:00 tommost Oh yeah, that's right.
24 21:45:00 tommost RewriteRule ^(.*.log|)$ log.cgi/$1 [nosubreq]
24 21:48:00 auchter do you really need the "<p id="line-7">"? replacing them with "<p>" shaved off 36k
24 21:48:00 tommost The IDs are so you can link to individual lines.
24 21:48:00 tommost Would you like me to add gzip compression?
24 21:49:00 andy753421 i'm going to have fun watching tom take CompArch and OS
24 21:50:00 tommost shivers
24 21:50:00 auchter while we're on the subject of sanity
24 21:50:00 auchter using 3 bytes of an md5sum hurts my head
24 21:50:00 tommost It was easy.
24 21:51:00 auchter Knuth's hash in TAoCP is easier, and probably takes less time
24 21:51:00 auchter not nearly as good as md5, but it would probably work for coloring
24 21:51:00 auchter do h = ((h << 5) ^ (h >> 27)) ^ *s; while (*s++);
24 21:52:00 tommost I could seed a MersenneTwister with the output of Python's hash() function.
24 21:52:00 tommost I doubt that it would be any faster, though.
24 21:52:00 auchter i prefer Blum Blum Shub
24 21:52:00 tommost Python already has MT built in.
24 21:53:00 auchter Blum Blum Shub is more fun to say.
24 21:53:00 tommost MT is more fun to not implement myself.
24 21:53:00 tommost Would you like me to implement a C module for generating the colors, then?
24 21:53:00 auchter DEK's hash can be done in one line.
24 21:54:00 auchter no, i'm just wondering why not go for a very simple hashing function?
24 21:54:00 tommost Or how about rewriting the entire script in C?
24 21:54:00 tommost Because md5 has already been implemented.
24 21:55:00 auchter goes off muttering something about crazy new languages with kitchen sinks built in
24 21:56:00 auchter ...and waits in anticipation for some remark about perl
24 21:57:00 tommost No, Perl doesn't have a kitchen sink. It has an entire warehouse of them, each slightly deformed yet somehow functional.
24 21:57:00 auchter there we go
24 21:57:00 tommost I couldn't deny you.
24 21:57:00 andy753421 you could totally do that in awk
24 21:57:00 auchter i maintain that surrealisitic languages are the way of the future
24 21:57:00 tommost I challenge you to rewrite my script in Brainfuck.
24 21:57:00 tommost No code generation allowed.
24 21:58:00 tommost Is that surreal enough for you?
24 21:58:00 auchter here's essentially how it would look ,[.,]
24 21:59:00 tommost No, it needs to be fully functional.
24 21:59:00 andy753421 tommost: oh, and you rewrite goes into infinite recursion
24 22:00:00 tommost Huh?
24 22:01:00 andy753421 the rewritten version matches the rewrite and gets rewritten again
24 22:02:00 tommost Oh. Add a L to the tags at the end.
24 22:02:00 tommost So it's [nosubreq,L]
24 22:03:00 andy753421 doesn't work either
24 22:03:00 tommost Eh. It's really difficult to do this stuff without actually having access to the machine.
24 22:03:00 andy753421 get your own machine
24 22:08:00 Morasique this is quickly spiraling out of control. it started with "hey, i should write a python script to color the lug log" and 24 hours later it's "how about rewriting the entire script in C?" and "get your own machine"
24 22:08:00 tommost The C thing was a joke.
24 22:08:00 tommost And I already have my own machine.
24 22:08:00 tommost Also, I wrote most of that script a month or two ago.
24 22:09:00 Morasique oh. well, way to hold out on us all this time :)
24 22:21:00 auchter oh, the C thing was a joke? i was getting my hopes up
24 22:22:00 tommost It is possible to convince me to rewrite it in D.
24 22:22:00 tommost Start begging.
24 22:23:00 auchter i think i'm going to rewrite it in rc
24 22:24:00 auchter it's essentially just like C, but with an r prepended to it
24 22:24:00 ferrelaj lol..... on my PS3?
24 22:24:00 auchter indeed, i rather like this 47" lcd
24 22:25:00 auchter though your orientation is completely wrong
24 22:25:00 ferrelaj buy me a rotating wall mount
24 22:26:00 ferrelaj and then you can change the orientation as you wish
24 22:26:00 auchter tommost: what do you like about D?
24 22:26:00 tommost Non-stupid C strings. Garbage collection. Speed. But I haven't learned it yet.
24 22:27:00 auchter what's stupid about c strings?
24 22:27:00 tommost O(n) length. Buffer overruns. PITA.
24 22:29:00 auchter what do you mean by O(n) strings?
24 22:29:00 tommost len(c_string) is O(n)
24 22:30:00 auchter so use a library of your chosing to do strings
24 22:30:00 auchter glib with gstring is nice
24 22:30:00 auchter not to mention it is perhaps the best data type name
24 22:31:00 tommost Can I use that in Computer Networks?
24 22:31:00 auchter yeah, i used it throughout operating systems
24 22:31:00 auchter archana didn't care
24 22:32:00 ferrelaj auchter: that's cuz she never reads code
24 22:32:00 tommost Sounds good.
24 22:34:00 auchter heh, i hated computer networks
24 22:34:00 Blazeix yeah, we have a test in it on Thursday
24 22:34:00 tommost Nah, it's easy aside from the mystery that is C.
24 22:34:00 Blazeix shouldn't be too bad though, most of the stuff we've been going over has been prety bassic
24 22:34:00 Blazeix *basic
24 22:35:00 Blazeix *pretty
24 22:35:00 auchter tommost: don't blame C for the stupidity of unix sockets
24 22:35:00 Blazeix damn, my sentence sucked
24 22:35:00 tommost Python sockets are nice. C sockets seem terribly overimplemented.
24 22:36:00 Morasique i for one am content blaming C for everything
24 22:37:00 tommost Thank you.
24 23:02:00 tommost andy753421: irc/logview/.htaccess:
24 23:02:00 tommost RewriteBase /irc/logview/
24 23:02:00 tommost RewriteRule !^log.cgi/ - [chain]
24 23:02:00 tommost RewriteRule ^(|.*.log)$ /irc/logview/log.cgi/$1 [nosubreq]
25 00:07:00 auchter awk is pretty neat
25 00:09:00 auchter http://rafb.net/p/BEU2D286.html
25 00:09:00 auchter obviously nowhere near as complete as tom's code, nor did i intend for it to be
25 00:11:00 auchter also, it looks like his script is outputting a </title> instead of a </head>
25 01:41:00 Morasique http://amionmyspace.com/
25 01:41:00 Morasique always handy
25 09:16:00 tommost auchter: I fixed the </title> thing.
25 09:18:00 auchter cool. yeah, it didn't break anything, i just noticed it while reading through the source
25 09:18:00 tommost andy753421: Do my rewrite rules work?
25 09:18:00 andy753421 yea, but i'm reverting your changes to RHLUG:About..
25 09:18:00 tommost Yup. The wonders of HTML: difficult to break.
25 09:19:00 andy753421 you can't use classes that don't exist!
25 09:19:00 tommost They exist in *my* stylesheet. ;-)
25 09:19:00 andy753421 well they don't exist in _mine_
25 09:19:00 tommost I even made a no-shadow version for the rest of you.
25 09:19:00 andy753421 nor the default, nor the useskin=tom one
25 09:19:00 andy753421 which means they're not getting used
25 09:20:00 andy753421 although, making a template would work ;)
25 09:21:00 tommost Yeah, you should change the useskin=tom one to link to the stylesheet on my webspace---I update it when I notice that something's missing (MediaWiki has a lot of little crannies that need special styling).
25 09:21:00 andy753421 ok, i'll update it, but i'm still reverting your class="" stuff
25 09:22:00 tommost Well, I'm going to insert the colors directly, then.
25 09:22:00 tommost Don't revert it---I'll just have to restructure the table again.
25 09:23:00 andy753421 how about that? (i inserted the colors, but left the formatting)
25 09:24:00 andy753421 i don't like having 'SGA Probationary stauts' being 'udner way' though
25 09:24:00 tommost I wasn't sure how to phrase it.
25 09:24:00 andy753421 since that makes it seem like we have received probationary status
25 09:24:00 tommost How's that?
25 09:25:00 andy753421 how about we insert two more rows for the waiting periods
25 09:25:00 andy753421 and then take out the 'required time' column
25 09:26:00 tommost Good idea.
25 09:26:00 andy753421 i'll leave that up to you ;) and i'm going to go take a shower
25 09:26:00 andy753421 but first, did anyone else just get a spam message from 'mooz2'?
25 09:27:00 tommost Nope.
25 09:27:00 andy753421 huh, alright
25 09:27:00 auchter speaking of spam...
25 09:29:00 auchter so i have upas/fs running on the plan9 box, connected to my rose mailbox
25 09:29:00 andy753421 ooo, does it save local copies of everything, or does it just access the rose server?
25 09:29:00 auchter however, yesterday at some point i closed the drawterm session which spawned it (it was in my lib/profile)
25 09:29:00 auchter accesses only (for now)
25 09:30:00 auchter the problem being, that i no longer know how to access the namespace that it was started in
25 09:30:00 andy753421 hehe
25 09:30:00 auchter it's definitely running, because if i send myself an email it reads it and marks it as un-new
25 09:30:00 auchter have any ideas?
25 09:30:00 andy753421 can you use Local or whatever that is?
25 09:31:00 auchter i think that's an acme command
25 09:31:00 auchter at least that's the only context i've used it in, hold on
25 09:31:00 andy753421 i think it's a plumber thing
25 09:33:00 auchter the acme man page talks about Local
25 09:33:00 auchter i've got to head to campus now, hopefully i'll figure this out eventually.
25 10:00:00 tommost Does the printer by O157 have a duplex unit?
25 10:00:00 tommost Wait... nvm.
25 10:52:00 auchter i figured out how to use upas/fs properly
25 10:53:00 auchter passing it the -s option causes it to create a file /srv/upasfs.username
25 10:53:00 auchter then, you can mount that by: mount /srv/upasfs.username /mail/fs
25 10:57:00 andy753421 wait, what does it do without the -s option?
25 10:58:00 auchter it just mounts itself to /mail/fs
25 10:59:00 auchter i don't know how this will work with plumbing yet
25 11:02:00 andy753421 ok, any chance of getting local copies of messages?
25 11:03:00 auchter mail2fs: man 1 mails
25 11:03:00 auchter i just installed it, haven't had a chance to read through the man page entirely yet, but it looks like it will do that
25 11:03:00 auchter i need to leave now though, i'll try using it in a bit
25 11:03:00 andy753421 alright
25 11:16:00 andy753421 in unrelated news, do you have any idea why drawterm spawns 7 rio processes?
25 11:21:00 auchter nope. are those by any chance old rio instances that never got killed?
25 11:21:00 andy753421 nope, i slayed all the old ones
25 11:22:00 auchter heh, no idea
25 11:32:00 andy753421 psu -a shows some of them with [STUFF] after the name, so maybe they're threads
25 11:32:00 andy753421 also, it appears that we get a new rio for each new window
25 11:32:00 andy753421 ps
25 11:33:00 auchter ah, interesting
25 11:34:00 auchter also, i was trying yesterday to get a wiki running on that box, but i couldn't get it to work
25 11:34:00 auchter granted, i didn't give it much effort
25 11:40:00 auchter i installed openssh too (openssh/ssh)
25 11:40:00 auchter the terminal is not a big fan of colors, though...
25 13:25:00 andy753421 tommost: "In the making", I like it
25 14:59:00 tommost How long ago did they remove bandwidth quotas?
25 15:01:00 Morasique ......holy crap. how have i not noticed this
25 15:02:00 tommost I only noticed because I wasn't getting more than ~20 Kbps with apt-get.
25 15:02:00 Morasique it had to have been today or maybe yesterday, my thing that parses that page to check my bandwidth worked yesterday
25 15:02:00 Morasique the last update i have is around 10am, i guess that's when they did it
25 15:03:00 Morasique this is excellent timing, i was going to beg them to shut it off over spring break since i'm staying
25 15:04:00 tommost I guess that I like this, as my traffic tends to be extremely bursty.
25 15:04:00 tommost Though I wonder how much torrenting is going to cut into the speeds that I normally get.
25 15:05:00 Morasique iait yells at people they catch torrenting, so hopefully they'll deal with it
25 15:06:00 tommost Just illegal torrenting, or legal torrenting as well? I've torrented Ubuntu install disks.
25 15:06:00 Morasique i suppose just illegal torrenting. i don't know if iait monitors for it or if they only do something if they get threats from someone else, but i know they've yelled at people before over it
25 15:07:00 andy753421 did they update their connection, or just remove the limits?
25 15:07:00 tommost Just remove the limits, it appears.
25 15:10:00 Morasique yeah, the network usage graph is still dying
25 15:11:00 Morasique i think they figure the people that care will notice and most people don't need to know; if they don't make an announcement hopefully the network can survive
25 15:11:00 tommost Heh.
25 15:12:00 tommost Maybe I'll just announce it to all of Speed...
25 16:42:00 tommost andy753421: Remove the inline-block and width declarations from the luglog stylesheet---they seem to interact quite horribly with text-indent in Opera.
25 17:20:00 MoraSique tommost: i like the comment about the defaultdict class
25 17:22:00 MoraSique you might want to add a way to manually group usernames, since the nick2canonical can't catch things like TBoneULS == Baty3 or povilusr == povilus-desktop
25 17:33:00 povilusr-desktop thanx i missed that
25 17:34:00 povilusr_desktop there now its standard
25 18:33:00 tommost I had been wondering who TBoneULS was...
25 18:34:00 tommost Well, it would be pretty simple to read in a dictionary of aliases from a file.
25 18:34:00 tommost andy753421: Why is there a "None" getting printed above the scoreboard table?
25 18:35:00 tommost There's nothing in my original code to cause that.
25 18:36:00 tommost Also, I changed how the caching headers work a bit in the original---they're slightly broken at the moment.
25 18:39:00 tommost Who keeps putting the lens cap on the robotics camera‽
25 18:43:00 tommost andy753421: Why did you comment out the page colors I set? Doing that produces problems with low-contrast colors when using light-on-dark default styles.
25 18:47:00 andy753421 i figured i'd rather have low contrast than inverted colors
25 18:48:00 tommost The proper course of action would be to create a dark stylesheet.
25 18:48:00 tommost Or just convert this one to be light-on-dark.
25 18:48:00 tommost Since it's a log, that would work just fine.
25 18:49:00 tommost Increase the constant COLOR_BASE to 55 should result in slightly lighter nick colors. (Line 166.)
25 18:55:00 andy753421 tommost: the 'Null' was because you had 'print loggen.main' at the end of log.cgi
25 18:56:00 tommost ?
25 18:56:00 tommost That doesn't make sense.
25 18:56:00 tommost It was between the <h2> and the <table>.
25 18:56:00 andy753421 nope
25 18:57:00 andy753421 it's at the bottom, it's just showing up higher
25 18:57:00 andy753421 i blame your crazy CSS
25 18:57:00 tommost That doesn't make sense.
25 18:57:00 tommost Nothing's floated.
25 18:57:00 tommost And print loggen.main wouldn't print None anyway.
25 18:58:00 tommost It would print a function object.
25 18:58:00 andy753421 well, it did
25 18:58:00 tommost That doesn't make any sense at all.
25 18:58:00 andy753421 no it wouldn't, you called it, and it didn't return anything, so it printed none
25 18:59:00 tommost Oh, I get it. Silly me.
25 18:59:00 tommost Silly ruby--you're leaving off parenthesis.
25 19:03:00 andy753421 it was probably showing up at the end because you tried to close your <table> with a </div>
25 19:03:00 andy753421 er, not at the end
25 19:03:00 tommost blushes
25 19:04:00 tommost goes to validate his code
25 19:07:00 tommost loves HTML
25 19:16:00 auchter i love the plan 9 mailing list
25 19:16:00 auchter http://9fans.net/archive/2008/03/481
25 19:17:00 tommost I think that I may print out the archives of that mailing list and read them on the drive home.
25 19:17:00 auchter there are so many excellent posts
25 19:18:00 auchter searching for the username of uriel normally yields the most hilarity
25 19:18:00 auchter http://9fans.net/archive/2008/03/138
25 19:19:00 tommost Not quite as good as the last one.
25 19:19:00 tommost Is he the rainbow text guy?
25 19:19:00 auchter indeed he is
25 19:38:00 auchter mail2fs is pretty cool indeed.
25 19:45:00 auchter except that i forgot to tell it to not delete messages from the server, but oh well.
25 19:45:00 tommost At least you're not Kevin.
25 19:45:00 auchter ?
25 19:46:00 tommost He's the one that deletes all of this messages, right?
25 19:46:00 auchter i'm not sure
25 19:47:00 andy753421 is mail2fs seperate from upas/fs?
25 19:47:00 auchter andy753421: yes, but it uses upas/fs to retrieve the mail
25 19:47:00 andy753421 ok, then what does it do, just copy it to the local disk?
25 19:48:00 andy753421 i read something about plan9 vs. planb mail directories
25 19:48:00 auchter yes, into /mail/box/$user/msgs/200803/ (for this month
25 19:48:00 auchter and there's one directory per message
25 19:48:00 auchter and i rather like the way it's laid out
25 19:49:00 auchter every message directory has at least a raw and a text file
25 19:49:00 auchter the raw is the raw message (headers and all)
25 19:49:00 auchter text is the text of the message
25 19:49:00 auchter and then, it has each attachment as another file in that directory
25 19:49:00 andy753421 that sounds nice
25 19:50:00 andy753421 can you sort stuff based on rules?
25 19:50:00 auchter there's more that came with this package that i haven't really looked into
25 19:50:00 auchter but i think you can
25 19:51:00 andy753421 ok, i don't think i would like having everything sorted by month
25 19:51:00 auchter that may or may not be hard coded
25 19:51:00 auchter i got the impression that that was the way plan B mailboxes were laid out
25 19:52:00 andy753421 ok,
25 20:06:00 tommost andy753421: ROBOTICS!!!‽!
25 20:24:00 ferrelaj povilusr: you at home, so I can aquire an ethernet cable?
25 20:24:00 tommost kleinjt: Auchter say: Go talk to Gary Burgess tomorrow.
25 20:24:00 tommost kleinjt: ROBOTICS!!! ...is pretty much over.
25 20:40:00 Morasique ferrelaj: he's on campus right now
25 20:41:00 ferrelaj ok, have him let me know when he gets back?
25 20:43:00 Mishtal does anyone know of a reason why, after using top to send a kill signal to utorrent, after a lock up, utorrent (under wine, of course) will now load, download/upload, but refuse to display a gui?
25 21:01:00 Blazeix Mishtal, maybe some utorrent config files got corrupted? You could always try removing them and seeing if utorrent will recreate them.
25 21:01:00 Blazeix There are a lot of good bittorrent clients out for linux, though. You should try just running one natively
25 21:03:00 Mishtal i know that there are a lot of good ones, call me stubborn, i like what im used to.
25 21:03:00 Mishtal but in any case, since i actually removed all of the utorrent files that i could get my hands on and tried to "reinstall" it, and it didnt work.
25 21:03:00 Mishtal i may as well ask what client you would recomend for ubuntu
25 21:03:00 Mishtal thanks for the tip in any case, though
25 21:03:00 Blazeix transmission is what gnome users run
25 21:03:00 Blazeix I like deluge, too
25 21:04:00 Morasique if you do apt-cache search torrent you can find a whole bunch of them
25 21:13:00 Mishtal thanks blazeix
25 21:13:00 Mishtal Mora: i appreciate the tip, but i tried several native linux torrent clients before ultimately deciding to go back to utorrent
25 21:13:00 Mishtal only recently have i needed to consider switching again
25 21:15:00 Blazeix when you tried removing the utorrent files, did you also run 'wine uninstaller' and remove it from there?
25 21:17:00 Mishtal im not sure if you have used utorrent for windows
25 21:17:00 Mishtal but it doesnt install, in the more recent versions, and aside from a few datafiles, is just a self contained .exe file
25 21:17:00 Blazeix ahh, o.k.
25 21:17:00 Mishtal i appreciate the help, though
25 21:18:00 Mishtal im going to try deluge
25 21:18:00 Mishtal like you recomended
25 21:18:00 Mishtal thx
25 21:18:00 andy753421 for what it's worth, rtorrent is very nice, but it's curses based so if you want a pretty GUI it's probably not for you
25 21:19:00 tommost I second Deulge. FIrst Linux client that I haven't hated.
25 21:21:00 Mishtal for the most part
25 21:22:00 Mishtal i dont particularly care about the gui
25 21:22:00 Mishtal actually
25 21:22:00 Mishtal i would prefer a command line ap
25 21:22:00 Mishtal but utorrent wont let me modify settings
25 21:22:00 Mishtal without the gui
25 21:22:00 Mishtal as far as i can see
25 21:22:00 Mishtal so, deluge, and then rtorrent, if i dont like deluge
25 21:22:00 Mishtal appreciate the tips guys
25 21:28:00 kleinjt auchter: You say by proxy: Go to to Gary Burgess tomorrow.
25 21:28:00 kleinjt auchter: I inquire: Is this to ask about the board being made? Should I present him with the gerber files?
25 21:29:00 kleinjt auchter: I also state, that I was asleep during the robotics meeting for reason of meal exchange. Having no food to stay awake for, I feel asleep after classes ended.
25 21:30:00 kleinjt I await your reply by IRC, or through tommost.
25 21:31:00 tommost kleinjt: As he hasn't yet replied, I would conjecture that auchter remains in the robotics lab, transfixed by the aliased fonts of his precious Plan9 box. I myself am unavailable as a proxy, being present in my own room.
25 21:32:00 tommost The issue is that Gary Burgess says that there is something funny about the boards and wants to talk to Auchter before he makes them.
25 21:33:00 kleinjt tommost: Ok, I will stop by robotics and the CS lab and see if I can track down auchter. After I finish brusing my teeth.
25 21:37:00 auchter kleinjt: i'm here
25 21:37:00 auchter kleinjt: i was busy making coffee
25 21:37:00 tommost Coffee! Almost as bad as Plan9.
25 21:37:00 auchter coffee is the drink of the gods
25 21:38:00 auchter not the swill that most people associate with coffee, mind you
25 21:38:00 auchter but the liquid which i consume is deliciou
25 21:39:00 tommost You prove my point. Both coffee and Plan9 tend to form unhealthy obsessions.
25 21:39:00 kleinjt auchter: here IRC, CS lab, robotics, here away?
25 21:39:00 auchter here IRC
25 21:40:00 auchter hold on, let me get the message that gary sent me
25 21:40:00 tommost /Auchter clicks frantically on the numbers, searching for the e-mail./
25 21:41:00 tommost /For he is a Plan9 users, and e-mail is a filesystem./
25 21:51:00 tommost /Okay, he should have found it by now./
25 21:51:00 Morasique plan9 users aren't the swiftest
25 21:52:00 tommost auchter: Ouch.
25 21:58:00 kleinjt I haven't heard from him :/
25 21:59:00 tommost We have lost him, I fear. Plan9 has ingested his mind; his body will surely follow.
25 22:01:00 auchter ah, actually that last cup was so delicious i decided to have another
25 22:02:00 kleinjt How much time can coffee creation make? Iced tea only takes about 10 minutes, this has taken nearly twenty.
25 22:02:00 auchter but i fear i don't have any ethiopian ididio roasted, so i'm having a rwanda coffee that belongs to my roommate
25 22:02:00 auchter however, i'm weary of his roasting technique...
25 22:02:00 auchter well, i got caught up in the deliciousness of the previous cup and kinda started staring into space
25 22:03:00 auchter this one, however, is rather funky
25 22:04:00 auchter the process of making a cup normally takes around 5 minutes
25 22:05:00 auchter running the cup and french press under hot water to bring them up to temperature, measuring and grinding coffee, then 3-4 minutes of steeping time, depending on cup size
25 22:08:00 auchter "Please stop by to discuss this board. It doesn't look quite right to me and want to verify some things."
25 22:09:00 auchter i can actually go tomorrow afternoon
25 22:09:00 kleinjt tommost stated that I should talk to him, is this still true?
25 22:10:00 auchter you could talk to him, i could talk to him, or we could both
25 22:10:00 auchter mainly i want you to look over the board once more and make sure i'm not missing anything/being an idiot
25 22:10:00 auchter i'm uploading a tarball right now
25 22:10:00 kleinjt ok
25 22:13:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/files/motorcontroller.tar
25 22:14:00 andy753421 auchter: you should use svn
25 22:15:00 auchter andy753421: if i didn't shutdown my server to get a network card for the plan9 machine, i would
25 22:15:00 auchter (and never power it up... i should do that.)
25 22:15:00 andy753421 isn't there a electronics one on rhitrobotics.org?
25 22:16:00 auchter yes, however there wasn't for quite some time, so we have been using my svn server
25 22:16:00 auchter i've just never moved the stuff over
25 22:16:00 andy753421 ok, if you can tarball the repo directory, i'll install it on the robotics server
25 22:17:00 auchter i'll do that someother time, i have an exam tomorrow that i really need to study for now
25 22:17:00 andy753421 alright
25 22:30:00 kleinjt I tried a few gerber viewers and I failed at opening the board files. The eagle board looks fine.
25 22:32:00 auchter it worked fine for me in gerbv
25 22:32:00 auchter but just making sure i'm not missing anything obvious, as those are the easiest things to miss
25 22:33:00 kleinjt I may be using an old version of gerbv.
25 22:33:00 auchter ubuntu does that.
25 22:33:00 kleinjt Yeah, I'm using one from 2006. Mmmkay, downloading a newer one.
25 22:55:00 kleinjt has anyone done a bandwidth usage check recently?
25 22:55:00 auchter they removed bandwidth limits today
25 22:59:00 kleinjt I don't see any obvious issues with the board.
25 23:00:00 auchter nor do i. ok, awesome.
25 23:02:00 auchter so i'll go talk to him tomorrow afternoon
25 23:24:00 tommos1 So when I play a 720p video fullscreen in VLC it kind of "rips". Any ideas as to how to fix this?
25 23:26:00 auchter tommost: i've had that exact same problem (tearing diagonally, mostly)
25 23:26:00 auchter i have no idea how to get it to stop
26 03:35:00 ferrelaj wow, anyone having problems with the PLC grading script?
26 04:04:00 Morasique no, but the thought of people up at 3:30 in the morning doing plc does make me smile
26 04:04:00 Morasique me doing compilers somewhat dampens my glee though
26 16:32:00 tommost Xgl is using 219 MB of memory at the moment. I love being able to know that and not care.
26 18:20:00 auchter tommost: haha, trying to get the nightly lug hostilities off to an early start?
26 18:20:00 tommost Sounds good.
26 18:21:00 tommost I'm wondering whether it would be possible to use Compiz Fusion in conjunction with Xdmx... then it would take up at least 500 megs.
26 18:22:00 auchter i have a suspicion that it was statements like that which helped microsoft get to where it is today
26 18:22:00 tommost What does this have to do with Microsoft?
26 18:23:00 auchter you quest to do the least amount of useful things with the most memory usage possible reminds me of microsoft
26 18:25:00 tommost I hold that Compiz does useful things.
26 18:27:00 tommost No other window manager feels as snappy.
26 18:27:00 Blazeix A lot of the stuff compiz does is useless (exploding windows), but there are a lot of good usability features in there as well
26 18:28:00 tommost Yes, like zoom.
26 18:29:00 auchter zoom may be a unique feature, but i can't possibly think of a use for it
26 18:30:00 Blazeix I think its useful if you are showing something to someone, like a passage of text
26 18:30:00 tommost It is useful for reading comics.
26 18:30:00 Blazeix or even if I take out my contacts at night and then realize I need to do something on the computer
26 18:33:00 Blazeix I use the Scale (think Apple's exposé) feature too
26 18:33:00 tommost Yeah, that's extremely useful.
26 18:41:00 auchter you're all absolutely insane.
26 18:42:00 tommost You're the one attempting to use Plan9 day-to-day.
26 18:46:00 auchter and in my defense, i'll say that i hate its window manager
26 18:52:00 tommost Yeah, I'm surprised that you can stand using one that isn't tiling.
26 18:59:00 auchter i've only recently started using tiling window managers, and i can't say that i hate non-tiling window managers
26 19:00:00 auchter it's just that it's hard to deal with multiple windows in rio
26 19:00:00 tommost I'd expect it to be difficult to go back.
26 19:00:00 auchter dwm supports floating mode as well (ctrl-space to switch) and i do occasionally use it when it's appropriate
26 19:01:00 auchter s/ctrl/alt/
26 19:02:00 auchter i just can't get used to the way rio does it... luckily i usually only have one window open (acme)
26 20:04:00 tommost So acme is basically your OS?
26 20:10:00 auchter it's pretty much what i use to interface with everything
26 20:13:00 tommost So acme is the new emacs.
26 20:13:00 tommost A text editor OS.
26 20:28:00 Morasique this conversation should've gone "tommost: compiz has fire text", "auchter: you're right, i'm a fool"
26 20:29:00 Morasique http://137.112.138.172/compiz.png
26 20:29:00 tommost I prefer classical orange, myself.
26 20:30:00 tommost But that is correct.
26 20:31:00 tommost That image should go on the wiki's Compiz page.
26 20:32:00 tommost Speaking of the wiki, the burlap sack page isn't moving along quickly enough.
26 20:34:00 Morasique http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BB
26 20:35:00 tommost My knowledge of burlap sacks is sadly limited, so I am incapable of doing much more.
26 20:38:00 auchter http://freya.phire.org/images/wm.png
26 20:39:00 tommost My window manager is in full color, thank you very much. None of that 16-bit crap.
26 20:42:00 auchter qemu graphics are slow, so i run it in 8-bit color. my drawterm sessions are 32-bit (which i consider to be full color.)
26 20:43:00 tommost I never understood why they do 32-bit color. The last 8 bits are just padding, right? Is the intent to align pixels to integer boundaries or something?
26 20:44:00 auchter alpha channel?
26 20:46:00 auchter tommost: you should take ece332, you'd love it
26 21:49:00 tommost auchter: How is this I2C thing working, exactly?
26 21:50:00 auchter what do you mean?
26 21:51:00 tommost Do we have actual I2C hardware, or are we bit-bashing through a parallel port? And do I have to worry about it in any case?
26 21:51:00 tommost Or can I just do my ioctls?
26 21:53:00 auchter you don't have to worry about anything hardware wise, the i2c module takes care of all the abstraction
26 21:53:00 tommost Okay.
26 21:59:00 tommost auchter: Would you give me a user on freya so that I can test stuff?
26 22:04:00 auchter tommost: u: tommost p:tommost
26 22:05:00 tommost Thanks.
26 22:05:00 tommost What shell is this?
26 22:07:00 auchter ps says you're running sh
26 22:08:00 tommost Like, bash?
26 22:08:00 auchter /bin/sh is symlinked to bash, so probably.
26 22:20:00 tommost auchter: There is no Python on this machine.
26 22:21:00 auchter you say that like it's a bad thing
26 22:21:00 tommost Considering I need to test Python code, it is.
26 22:21:00 tommost Python 2.5, please.
26 22:21:00 auchter installing 2.5.1 now
26 22:21:00 tommost Thanks.
26 22:22:00 auchter why is there i2c code in python?
26 22:23:00 tommost Because the entire task consists of writing two bytes to a device and ioctling it once in a while. Why bother with C?
26 22:30:00 auchter because the C is about 4 lines long? why go through another layer of abstraction?
26 22:30:00 tommost Okay. I'll write it in C. Just to make you happy.
26 22:31:00 auchter /home/auchtemm/i2c/examplecode
26 22:31:00 auchter there's even a quick example
26 22:32:00 auchter python's installed, by the way
26 22:32:00 tommost Thanks.
26 22:34:00 Morasique i might beg iait to put bandwidth restrictions back, the internet has sucked continuously since yesterday morning
26 22:34:00 Morasique apparently more people caught on faster than i expected
26 22:34:00 tommost Yeah, and the Thorn's planning to do an article on it.
26 22:35:00 Morasique awesome
26 22:35:00 auchter putting the cap back on is not a good solution
26 22:35:00 auchter increasing the bandwidth at rose to something sensible is
26 22:36:00 Mishtal they are going to need to give students a cap even if we do increase the schools bandwidth otherwise the bandwidth will still end up saturated
26 22:36:00 tommost auchter: Can I assume that there will only be one I2C bus? (e.g., /dev/i2c-0)
26 22:37:00 auchter tommost: yeah
26 22:37:00 Morasique hopefully rose will have downloaded the whole internet in the next couple days and then it'll stop being so bad
26 22:38:00 Mishtal while im sure thats completely possible. i dont think that rose is able to cache the whole internet for easy student access. lets hope so though. :) ill enjoy my off campus internet until then though
26 22:39:00 tommost It seems like some decent caching really would cut down on web usage, though. Not so much p2p.
26 22:40:00 Mishtal tom: web surfing, of course. p2p, not so much. though thats an interesting idea to cache p2p data, not sure if it is feasible, but an interesting concept
26 22:42:00 tommost ISPs already do it, actually.
26 22:42:00 tommost You can make Bittorrent much less nasty to your network by caching it, apparently.
26 22:43:00 tommost I'd guess that it's much easier to cache than regular p2p because of the tendency to create huge torrents instead of single transfers.
26 22:44:00 Mishtal well, person to person transfers would be unreasonable. but big torrent files seems like a decent idea to cache. im interested to see what method they use to cache torrents though, and also how they would know which peices went where
26 23:07:00 tommost andy753421: I get compilation errors for _laser.c
26 23:11:00 andy753421 tommost: blame adam, there's half a python at the bottom of that C file
26 23:34:00 tommost Is MC_BREAK really supposed to be so spelled? Didn't you mean MC_BRAKE?
26 23:34:00 tommost 'Cause if it's going to do the former...
26 23:54:00 andy753421 ok
27 09:47:00 auchter http://plan9.phire.org/wiki/sample/plan_9_wiki/
27 09:47:00 auchter nothing useful there yet, but at least wikifs works
27 09:47:00 auchter changing the #s to /srv seems to have helped, andy
27 09:47:00 auchter i'm not quite sure why it was like that
27 14:38:00 tommost OMG. SVG 1.2: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-SVG12-20040510/#rawsocket
27 15:07:00 tommost This damn disposable battery needs to disappear...
27 15:39:00 tommost Who's presenting today?
27 15:41:00 Zeta_RHI1 a hobo.
27 15:42:00 tommost We got Stallman?
27 15:46:00 tommost auchter?
27 15:47:00 auchter i reject the notion that i am a hobo. i know for a fact that i did not sleep in the streets last night, i think
27 15:47:00 tommost I was asking you, actually.
27 15:48:00 auchter oh, well, in that case we're technically supposed to continue the kind-of started scripting series that never actually got past the first introduction day
27 15:49:00 tommost No, there was some Ruby.
27 15:49:00 tommost Half of which I missed, to my sadness.
27 15:49:00 auchter indeed, but we were going to go through specific features of python, ruby, and perl all on the same day
27 15:49:00 auchter and that was more of a last minute thing
27 15:50:00 tommost If we actually want to do that, we should do some prep.
27 15:50:00 auchter yeah, the whole thing kind of fell apart
27 15:50:00 tommost Yeah, this quarter is crazy for me.
27 15:51:00 auchter heh, i know what you mean
27 15:52:00 tommost I'm getting killed by my math classes, and sockets are PITA that suck my time into a netherworld of segfaults and mysterious drops.
27 15:53:00 auchter yeah, networks could be hard if you haven't been exposed to much C before
27 15:53:00 auchter i hated the assignments, mostly because they were boring and useless.
27 15:54:00 tommost Nothing else about it is hard. The test today was easy.
27 15:55:00 auchter i still hate the bloody true/false questions that archana loves so much...
27 15:56:00 tommost I don't recall any of those from today. There were a ton of definitions, which were easy (CCNA FTW!).
27 15:56:00 auchter yeah, the only thing that always messed me up was dijkstra's algorithm
27 15:57:00 auchter it was just a pain keeping track of everything
27 16:16:00 tommost So what's the plan for the meeting?
27 16:41:00 tommost I take it that means "bash IAIT and speculate about the removal of the bandwidth cap."
27 16:47:00 auchter tommost: i rather hope that people can come up with better topics
27 16:50:00 tommost Okay. In that case, I declare the topic to be "why C sucks (but not as much as Perl)."
27 16:50:00 tommost is proud of his trolling
27 16:51:00 auchter it is rather entertaining
27 17:22:00 quark so I take it the tubes are clogged for everyone?
27 20:57:00 Zeta_RHIT so, anyone using ubuntu beta?
27 20:57:00 Zeta_RHIT I've got it installed, but the window manager didn't start
27 20:58:00 Zeta_RHIT anybody know the name of it?
27 20:58:00 Zeta_RHIT (or the command to run it)
27 20:58:00 TBoneULS what is the name of the gnome window manager?
27 20:58:00 Morasique zeta: blazeix is running it
27 20:58:00 Morasique and the gnome WM is gdm
27 20:58:00 TBoneULS mark fails.
27 20:58:00 Morasique you can sudo gdm or /etc/init.d/gdm start
27 20:59:00 Zeta_RHIT well, gnome's running
27 20:59:00 Morasique oh, the actual window manager isn't running? that's weird
27 20:59:00 Morasique the default is metacity
27 20:59:00 Zeta_RHIT aye
27 21:02:00 Zeta_RHIT yay, I can resize windows :P
27 21:04:00 Morasique always a handy feature
27 21:06:00 Zeta_RHIT indeed it is
27 21:09:00 auchter psh, resizing windows
27 21:47:00 povilusr how do you get umlauts in linux
27 21:47:00 povilusr and or open offive
27 21:47:00 povilusr office*
27 21:48:00 auchter in latex it's "u, for example
27 21:49:00 auchter in plan9 it's alt-" u... i'd be interested in what it is in linux as well...
27 21:54:00 povilusr nither works
27 21:54:00 povilusr in nix
27 22:00:00 Mishtal tommost: i figured out why utorrent was broken. you were right, it was a setting file
27 23:44:00 Morasique povilusr: about the umlauts, you can do insert -> special character
28 00:17:00 auchter heh, everyone timing out from that nice power flicker we had a while ago?
28 00:19:00 Mishtal indeed
28 00:19:00 Mishtal both my externals decided to die on me when it happened
28 00:19:00 Mishtal luckily they both still work
28 00:19:00 Mishtal i need to look into a UPS
28 00:20:00 auchter meh, there's not much to see in them, just the battery, and the charging and power regulation boards
28 00:23:00 Zeta_RHIT did I time out as well?
28 00:23:00 Zeta_RHIT I can't see the messages, j/c
28 00:23:00 Zeta_RHIT *the message if I did
28 00:24:00 auchter nope
28 00:24:00 Zeta_RHIT that's really weird... I could swear that several of baty's machines are also on a ups
28 00:25:00 Zeta_RHIT and I'm in the same apartment so I guess the network didn't die
28 00:44:00 Mishtal oops, got distracted
28 00:45:00 Mishtal i know that ups's arnt complex at all
28 00:45:00 Mishtal i just need to either build one or buy one
28 00:50:00 Zeta_RHIT blazeix, you still awake?
28 00:50:00 Blazeix yep
28 00:50:00 Zeta_RHIT do you run the ubuntu beta?
28 00:50:00 Blazeix yep
28 00:50:00 Zeta_RHIT any issues with metacity starting?
28 00:50:00 Blazeix getting rid of it tomorrow though
28 00:50:00 Zeta_RHIT my server runs it fine but doesn't start the window manager
28 00:51:00 Blazeix i've had an annoying bug where I have to log in twice at startup
28 00:51:00 Zeta_RHIT O.o
28 00:51:00 Zeta_RHIT this works beautifully except for that bug
28 00:51:00 Blazeix But I think that's GDM more than metacity
28 00:51:00 Zeta_RHIT no dual login nonsense here
28 00:51:00 Blazeix if you enable compiz does it work?
28 00:51:00 Blazeix or does compiz not run on the particular machine?
28 00:52:00 Zeta_RHIT geforce 2
28 00:52:00 Blazeix yeah
28 00:52:00 Zeta_RHIT I think it technically can
28 00:52:00 Zeta_RHIT but it's not going to be doing it
28 00:52:00 Blazeix I haven't had any issues.
28 00:52:00 Blazeix But there's an easy way to fix it. Wipe ubuntu and install Arch
28 00:52:00 Zeta_RHIT This is the release with compiz as default, yeah?
28 00:52:00 Blazeix :P
28 00:52:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
28 00:53:00 Blazeix It wasn't default on mine
28 00:53:00 Zeta_RHIT I like playing with linux, but I also like machines that work :P
28 00:53:00 Blazeix </flame>
28 00:53:00 Zeta_RHIT And this is beautiful
28 00:53:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl, nm
28 00:53:00 Blazeix yeah. I've been running compiz lately with the desktop wall, over the cube.
28 00:53:00 Zeta_RHIT nods
28 00:54:00 Blazeix I really like the animate scroll of the wall
28 00:54:00 Blazeix I wish there was someway to get that single effect in fluxbox.
28 00:54:00 Blazeix I don't care about any of the wobbly windows or anything
28 00:54:00 Zeta_RHIT I need to get virtualbox's kernel driver installed
28 00:55:00 Blazeix take a look here for metacity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/84080
28 00:55:00 Blazeix unresolved...
28 00:56:00 Blazeix yeah, I've been meaning to virtualize my windows partition.
28 00:56:00 Blazeix I do all my gaming under linux now, so there's no reason for windows.
28 01:02:00 Zeta_RHIT nods
28 01:03:00 Zeta_RHIT sadly, evemon is .net
28 01:03:00 Zeta_RHIT so I run a virtualmachine to run it and eve fitting tool :P
28 01:03:00 Zeta_RHIT and occasional code development stuffs
28 01:03:00 Blazeix evemon is some sort of stat tracker?
28 01:03:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah
28 01:03:00 Zeta_RHIT very helpful
28 01:04:00 Zeta_RHIT lets you set up skill plans, etc
28 01:07:00 Zeta_RHIT wow, they really sped up gnome since I last used it
28 01:07:00 Zeta_RHIT that was back in 6.06 though
28 01:07:00 Zeta_RHIT this is almost as fast as xfce
28 01:08:00 Blazeix yeah, I don't have the stupid splash screen anymore
28 01:08:00 Blazeix btw, found this link: http://evemon.battleclinic.com/changelog.html
28 01:08:00 Blazeix 2nd bullet point, in particular
28 01:08:00 Blazeix you may have already seen it
28 01:09:00 Zeta_RHIT O.o
28 01:09:00 Zeta_RHIT I did not see that
28 01:10:00 Zeta_RHIT oh that's icky
28 01:11:00 Zeta_RHIT I need the vm for other things anyways... methinks I won't clutter my system with that crap
28 01:12:00 Blazeix I didn't follow the wiki link, that is pretty bad
28 01:12:00 Zeta_RHIT so, anyone used ff3?
28 01:12:00 Blazeix I am
28 01:12:00 Zeta_RHIT is there a way to kill the history drop down menu?
28 01:12:00 Blazeix you mean the new address bar thing?
28 01:13:00 Zeta_RHIT or shut off some of those oh so "helpful" features
28 01:13:00 Zeta_RHIT that too
28 01:13:00 Zeta_RHIT I meant the actual: file, edit, etc menus too
28 01:14:00 Blazeix well, if i'm understanding what your saying you can always just tell ff3 not to remember your history
28 01:18:00 Blazeix gah, firefox's extension website is using lightbox to display image previews
28 01:18:00 Blazeix I hate that script, but I can't get away from it.
28 01:40:00 Morasique i wish i had the power to all-campus e-mail this: http://137.112.138.228/network.png
28 01:50:00 Blazeix huh, firefox 3 has animated tab scrolling.
28 01:51:00 Blazeix that's pretty cool
28 01:51:00 Morasique does it not suck? i had a firefox plugin that did the compiz cube effect when you switched tabs, and it was pretty terrible
28 01:52:00 Blazeix yeah, that one that used DirectX? That was pretty horrible.
28 01:53:00 Blazeix It scrolls pretty smoothly, you can see the tabs go by better than you can in FF2
28 01:53:00 Blazeix You also realize we're communicating by IRC, when we are about 4 feet away from each other IRL
28 01:59:00 Morasique yes, i've accepted that. i talk to groupmates on AIM when we're sitting in the same room together working on a project
28 10:11:00 povilusr_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Proops = Dr. Mellor
28 11:10:00 auchter povilusr_: haha, why's that?
28 17:38:00 Zeta_RHIT hmm, anyone running virtualbox in hardy?
28 17:38:00 Zeta_RHIT I can't seem to get the kernel driver to install, and ubuntuforum login looks to be busted for a bit
28 17:46:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl, logs you in, welcomes you, then logs you out immediately O.o
30 22:23:00 Morasique this is fantastic: http://www.txt2re.com/
30 22:24:00 tommost Meh, seems silly. Why not just write it yourself?
30 22:25:00 Morasique because i am lazy in ways you can't really comprehend
30 22:25:00 Morasique record breaking ways
30 22:26:00 tommost But the sort of REs that this can generate would be pretty trivial to write, anyway.
30 22:26:00 tommost When it can apply the voodoo necessary to match nested HTML tags I'll be interested.
30 22:27:00 Morasique :)
30 22:30:00 tommost Has anyone here tried the Hardy upgrade? It keeps failing on the final file for me.
30 22:30:00 tommost The download, I mean.
30 22:32:00 Morasique blazeix and zeta are running it
30 22:32:00 Morasique they both installed it without problems as far as i know
30 22:32:00 tommost Hmm.
31 13:53:00 rr72 hey all, everyone in class?
31 13:53:00 Morasique we're on break
31 13:54:00 rr72 this whole month?
31 13:55:00 Morasique er. no, this week
31 13:55:00 rr72 ah ok
31 13:56:00 rr72 ok off to play GTA
31 19:23:00 rr72 I was happy I get a folder from Rose until I opened it and it was all FAFSA stuff, was like" here its for you mom"
31 19:52:00 tommost So, is anyone here running Hardy on their laptop?
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