01 00:34:00 auchter so, is anyone presenting tomorrow?
01 00:41:00 octavious i have no idea
01 00:43:00 octavious auchter: how do you go about using vmware?
01 00:43:00 octavious i whiped my machine, and am now windows-free
01 00:44:00 octavious well, disregarding the nvidia driver, everything is open source
01 00:49:00 octavious ha, you notice www.rose-hulman.edu?
01 00:52:00 auchter octavious: just emerge vmware-server
01 00:52:00 auchter octavious: there's a nice setup script included with vmware that sets up networking. you'll also need to register with vmware to get a key to use
01 00:56:00 octavious how does it store the image file?
01 00:57:00 auchter it creates a few different files, i'm not really sure what each one is
01 00:57:00 octavious i think they are in the process of updating apache
01 00:58:00 auchter wasn't banner supposed to be down at some point?
01 00:59:00 auchter oh wait, that was yesterday
01 01:26:00 TBoneULS hey someone on campus see if you're getting a test page for www.rose-hulman.edu
01 01:26:00 TBoneULS off campus we are
01 01:27:00 TBoneULS nm, someones a moron
01 01:27:00 octavious ha, yeah, we already discussed this. maybe they are updating apache?
01 01:28:00 auchter fail.
01 01:29:00 TBoneULS no i know that, i imed mike on campus and he didnt get a test page
01 01:30:00 TBoneULS turns out, he couldnt refresh
01 01:30:00 TBoneULS when did you guys first notice it?
01 02:03:00 auchter does anyone know if someone's presenting tomorrow?
01 02:03:00 octavious i asked the question earlier and the week and did not get a response
01 02:03:00 octavious you have a topic you could present on?
01 02:04:00 andy753421 i think chris is talking about core utils
01 02:04:00 auchter alright, good
01 02:05:00 auchter one of these days someone should at least talk about distcc for a bit. it'd be cool if we could get more people running it
01 02:05:00 andy753421 yea, you could just bring it up
01 02:06:00 andy753421 we should make an agenda
01 02:06:00 auchter i might just have to
01 02:06:00 andy753421 on the wiki
01 02:06:00 auchter indeed.
01 14:53:00 Baty_ afs doesnt seem to be working on phanotm, am i just dumb or is it down? i heard it was down last night
01 14:53:00 Baty_ also, are we going to install maple on phantom? it doesnt look like its on there
01 14:53:00 andy753421 Baty_: it seems to be working to me
01 14:53:00 Baty_ hmm'
01 14:53:00 andy753421 we tried installing maple but it failed
01 14:53:00 Baty_ ah okay
01 14:54:00 Baty_ when i got to /afs i get an error.... i am i doing something wrong
01 14:54:00 Baty_ something about cs.rose-hulman.edu not found or something
01 14:54:00 andy753421 cs.rose-hulman.edu is broken
01 14:54:00 andy753421 that's the CS Depts problem not ours
01 14:55:00 Baty_ okay
01 14:56:00 Baty_ ya, i looks like im just dumb
01 14:57:00 auchter maple is being pure evil on that machien
01 14:57:00 Baty_ weird
01 14:58:00 auchter yeah, i just logged into phantom and it appears that i don't have afs write access
01 14:58:00 auchter Baty_: try running kinit username
01 14:59:00 auchter then aklog
01 15:00:00 Baty_ what does aklog do
01 15:00:00 andy753421 gets afs tokens using kerberos
01 15:00:00 Baty_ ah okay
01 15:00:00 andy753421 mike, log out and then back in and type klist and tokens and see if you have anything before running kinit and aklog
01 15:01:00 Baty_ ya, i didnt see if i could write frirst, but now i can
01 15:01:00 auchter i already ran both
01 15:02:00 andy753421 kerberos tickets and afs tokens should be obtained by PAM
01 15:02:00 auchter i didn't have them when i logged in for some reason
01 15:02:00 andy753421 auchter: if you log out and then back in do you have them?
01 15:02:00 auchter yes, i do
01 15:06:00 andy753421 are you using password authentication?
01 15:06:00 andy753421 try logging in with 'ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=password spenceal@phantom.cs.rose-hulman.edu'
01 15:06:00 andy753421 er, <username>@phantom...
01 15:07:00 auchter ah, that would be why... haha, forgot about that.
01 15:43:00 Baty_ is something wrong with slidrule and abacus?
01 15:44:00 auchter they've disabled keberos login
01 15:44:00 Baty_ it won't let me login
01 15:44:00 Baty_ errr
01 15:44:00 Baty_ when did that happen?
01 15:44:00 auchter you can login if you use public key login
01 15:44:00 auchter beginning of the year?
01 15:44:00 Baty_ wow
01 15:44:00 Baty_ apparently i dont pay attention
01 15:44:00 Baty_ i knew they were going to, i just dont remember when
01 15:44:00 auchter yeah
01 15:46:00 Baty_ so this might be another stupid question, but how do i do a public key login
01 15:46:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Fixing_sliderule
01 15:46:00 Baty_ oh ya...
01 15:46:00 Baty_ wow
01 15:47:00 Baty_ i remember erading that
01 15:47:00 Baty_ and apparently quickly forgot it
01 15:58:00 Baty_ does anyone have a copy of the most recent version of ubuntu that i can borrow?
01 15:58:00 Baty_ i don't want to redownload it
01 15:59:00 andy753421 is that 7.10?
01 15:59:00 andy753421 ftp://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/7.10
01 15:59:00 Baty_ wow im not paying attention
01 15:59:00 Baty_ since when has it been on the cs ftp?
01 16:00:00 andy753421 there's timestamps from back in 2006...
01 16:00:00 Baty_ err
01 16:00:00 Baty_ i could have sworn i checked recently and it wasnt on there
01 16:01:00 Baty_ and ya, thats what i was looking for
01 16:01:00 Baty_ thanks
01 16:18:00 Baty__ so i can see the folders for ubuntu on the cs ftp, but i cant actually download anything
01 16:18:00 Baty__ am i the only one, and am i doing something dumb, once again?
01 16:27:00 tommost I can't download anything either.
01 16:27:00 Baty__ okay, so im not a moron
01 16:27:00 Baty__ ya i just decided to redownload it
01 16:27:00 tommost I have CDs.
01 16:28:00 Baty__ do you have 7.10 and can i borrow if for a day or so
01 16:28:00 Baty__ possibly a bit longer.....
01 16:28:00 tommost Sure. Server or Desktop?
01 16:28:00 Baty__ desktop
01 16:28:00 tommost Okay.
01 16:28:00 tommost You want it at the LUG meeting, or now?
01 16:28:00 Baty__ now would work
01 16:29:00 Baty__ or at lug
01 16:29:00 Baty__ whatever
01 16:29:00 tommost Okay. I'm in Deming 218 if you want it now.
01 16:29:00 Baty__ oh
01 16:29:00 Baty__ nm just bring them to lug
01 16:29:00 tommost Otherwise, I'll bring it to the LUG.
01 16:29:00 Baty__ ya
01 16:29:00 Baty__ thatll work
01 16:29:00 tommost Okay then.
01 16:29:00 Baty__ tahnks
01 17:08:00 auchter so, this is going to be an interesting meeting with all these people in the lab
01 17:08:00 Baty__ ya no shit
01 17:20:00 octavious
01 17:21:00 octavious and it starts
01 17:21:00 Baty__ yes
01 17:21:00 Baty__ everyone left, that was cool
01 17:21:00 auchter yeah, we're awesome like that
01 17:23:00 octavious whiped everything on my laptop this week...using lvm for managing like 8 seperate logical volumes
01 17:26:00 auchter yeah? how's that working out?
01 17:27:00 octavious it was a bitch to get to work with the root partition..
01 17:27:00 octavious had to hack up an initrd
01 17:27:00 auchter i see
01 20:10:00 povilus-desktop cody the 300 test is apparently on wendsday and the 250 is on monday
01 20:10:00 povilus-desktop i told you wron
01 21:00:00 collinjc Wait, which tests? The finals?
01 21:00:00 TBoneULS ya
01 21:00:00 TBoneULS the 300 is on wednesday at 8, so itll be a bit more of a problem with the ride
01 21:00:00 TBoneULS unless you leave right after the final
01 21:00:00 collinjc I probably will.
01 21:00:00 TBoneULS okay
01 21:00:00 TBoneULS tell sam that
01 21:01:00 TBoneULS whatever he'll see it
01 21:01:00 collinjc Got it
01 21:01:00 povilusr sweet
02 15:52:00 cgiirc107 test
02 15:52:00 andy753421 test
02 15:56:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/irc/client/
02 15:57:00 andy753421 do we want to set up a forum? or should we use the mailing lists for that?
02 15:57:00 auchter i saw we just force them to use irc or mailing list
02 15:57:00 auchter s/saw/say/
02 15:58:00 cgiirc846 not bad ofa client at all
02 16:00:00 andy753421 and no java required :)
02 16:01:00 auchter yeah, i noticed that my computer was not brought to its knees
02 19:08:00 andy753421 hey mike, when you tried installing maple, what errors did it give you?
02 19:08:00 andy753421 and is there a x86_64 version anywhere? I'm looking at it again but it can't seem to find the X86_64 folder
02 22:35:00 auchter andy753421: i don't think an x86_64 version is included with that version of maple
02 22:54:00 auchter so, i realize this may be pretty obscure nowadays, but does any one have a hd-68 scsi cable?
02 23:00:00 andy753421 there were some scsi cables on the free stuff table a week or two ago.. not sure if they were the right type though
02 23:05:00 auchter probably not.
02 23:05:00 auchter the cdrom drive that came with the octane has an hd-50 cable, and netbooting it is proving to be difficult
02 23:05:00 auchter tftpd is not cooperating
02 23:07:00 andy753421 what are you using tftpd for?
02 23:08:00 auchter to get the installation to start on the octane
02 23:08:00 andy753421 hmm.. how would an ftp server help with that?
02 23:08:00 auchter no, it needs to use tftp
02 23:10:00 andy753421 ok
02 23:18:00 andy753421 auchter: so anyway, what version of maple were you trying to install the other day?
02 23:18:00 auchter maple 10, the version from tibia
02 23:19:00 andy753421 did you do anything to get past the x86_64 stuff?
02 23:19:00 auchter nope, didn't even think about that
02 23:20:00 auchter heh, actually, instead of installing that, copy it from addiator
02 23:20:00 andy753421 is it on addiator?
02 23:20:00 andy753421 i looked earlier but didn't see it
02 23:20:00 auchter i installed it last year, but couldn't get maple 10 to work from licensing
02 23:20:00 auchter it's in /scratch/apps/maple
02 23:20:00 auchter maple9 is all that works, last i tried
02 23:21:00 andy753421 so should i just copy maple9 off it?
02 23:21:00 andy753421 eh, i can try both
02 23:21:00 auchter maple10 still doesn't work
02 23:22:00 auchter nor does maple 9, apparently.
02 23:22:00 auchter it worked last year
02 23:22:00 auchter actually, it does
02 23:22:00 auchter it just took forever
02 23:26:00 andy753421 hey, can you delete /scratch/apps/maple/maple10/Maple10CD off addiator?
02 23:26:00 auchter ls
02 23:26:00 auchter i meant yes by that
02 23:27:00 auchter well, actually i can't apparently
02 23:28:00 auchter i get permission denied for some reason
02 23:28:00 andy753421 you should be able to chmod -R u+w maple10
02 23:29:00 andy753421 at least i would assume..
02 23:29:00 auchter that seems to have worked
02 23:31:00 andy753421 haha
02 23:32:00 andy753421 so when I sudo zsh -ls'd on phantom it kept my kerberos/afs stuff and kept writing to my .zshrc
02 23:32:00 andy753421 anyway root on phantom started using my history from me on addiator, which really confused me for a second
02 23:32:00 andy753421 and by .zshrc i mean .histfile
02 23:33:00 auchter ah, that would be confusing
02 23:41:00 andy753421 that's odd, running maple 10 says the licence path is in /scratch/apps/maple/maple9/license/license.dat
02 23:42:00 andy753421 and grepping for maple/maple9 doesn't give anything so it must be encrypted somewhere
02 23:43:00 auchter strange...
02 23:43:00 auchter if you try running maple 10 on clive.cs or derek.cs it doesn't work either
02 23:45:00 andy753421 ok
03 00:05:00 andy753421 so the command line installer seems to be working better
03 00:07:00 andy753421 hm.. it installed, but the license still doesn't work
03 00:08:00 andy753421 i found {lmserver,lmserver-c,rh-lm,rhel-lmgrd1}.rose-hulman.edu but only rh-lm was running flex and it didn't work either
03 00:11:00 andy753421 wait, found some more
03 00:13:00 andy753421 starting another nmap :)
03 00:15:00 auchter hah, i still have that dump on izanagi
03 00:27:00 andy753421 none of those worked either
03 12:10:00 TBoneULS about the scsi cables - we picked up the ones off the free stuff table, i doubt they're what you need but i can check
03 12:10:00 TBoneULS waht exactly do you need?
03 12:22:00 auchter well, i need a cable that has a centronics 50 connector on one end, and a hd-68 on the other
03 12:22:00 auchter i'll get a picutre of it for you
03 12:22:00 auchter http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330181607261
03 16:34:00 auchter TBoneULS: did you ever take a look at those scsi cables?
03 19:50:00 TBoneULS auchter: i might have one of those
03 19:51:00 TBoneULS i have to look at it more closely
03 19:51:00 auchter sounds good. let me know if you do
03 19:51:00 TBoneULS i hace to count pins
03 19:51:00 TBoneULS they are the right genders and such, it appears
03 19:52:00 auchter an easier way would be to just measure
03 19:52:00 TBoneULS i could do that
03 19:52:00 TBoneULS hold on
03 19:52:00 auchter i'll get the sizes for you
03 19:53:00 TBoneULS so the bigger one
03 19:53:00 auchter the hd-68 side should be 1.87", if it's 1.43" it's hd-50
03 19:53:00 auchter the centronics 50 is 2.5"
03 19:53:00 TBoneULS okay one end is centronics 2.5 it appears
03 19:53:00 TBoneULS and i have one of each with the other ends i think
03 19:53:00 auchter absolutely awesome
03 19:54:00 TBoneULS yup
03 19:54:00 auchter so, could i borrow one for a bit to install irix sometime?
03 19:54:00 TBoneULS ya you can come get them now if you like
03 19:54:00 TBoneULS i have no need really, they just looked cool and were free
03 19:54:00 TBoneULS so go for it
03 19:54:00 auchter ah, great
03 19:54:00 auchter where are you again?
03 19:54:00 TBoneULS 798F
03 19:55:00 TBoneULS knock loudly or open the door and yell
03 19:55:00 auchter haha, alright. i'll be by in about 15 minutes, i'm in terre haute actually
03 19:55:00 TBoneULS ah okay
03 19:55:00 TBoneULS whatever
03 19:57:00 povilusr if were not here check the appt directly below us i think its b
03 20:15:00 auchter TBoneULS: i'm going to be heading over now
03 22:14:00 auchter well, the IRIX install went well, i'm typing this from my octane
04 14:13:00 povilus-desktop anyone used latex in ubuntu
04 14:13:00 povilus-desktop i need to convert from tex to pdf and when i type pdftex <FILENAME> it says it cannot find 'pdftex.fmt'
04 14:53:00 auchter povilus-desktop: you want to use pdflatex
04 14:54:00 auchter pdftex is for the tex language, and unless you're mad, you're using latex
04 16:47:00 povilus-desktop kk thanx
04 16:49:00 povilus-desktop whats the diffrence between latex and tex
04 16:52:00 andy753421 latex is made with tex
04 16:52:00 andy753421 sortof like a library
04 16:52:00 povilus-desktop oh
04 17:21:00 auchter is there a presentation planned for this week?
04 17:37:00 andy753421 vim vs. emacs :)
04 17:38:00 auchter ah yes, forgot about that
04 17:39:00 auchter we should have a presentation on LaTeX some time... it'd be awesome if we could get shibberu or mellor to do it
04 17:51:00 povilus-desktop emacs is better
04 18:04:00 auchter the emacs binary for irix is 130MB, whereas vim is 28MB. i think the choice is clear
04 18:12:00 povilusr yeah, emacs
04 18:21:00 andy753422 we should write up a wiki page with a list of features we want talk about
04 18:22:00 andy753422 i.e. a table with '| feature | emacs way | vim way |' columns
04 18:25:00 povilusr i could do that
04 18:26:00 povilusr or you can thro it up on the wiki, and il edit in the emacs parts
04 18:26:00 andy753422 ok, if you want to start something for nifty emacs features, i'll add in the vim equivalents where they exist and then anything else that emacs doesn't do
04 18:26:00 andy753422 i'm going to go take a nap and then stay up late doing homeowkr
04 18:26:00 povilusr anyone in 250 know what Vov is?
04 18:26:00 povilusr kk il try to get on that, still have to do 250
05 15:06:00 povilusr emacs is better
05 15:06:00 andy753421 .. than nano :)
05 15:07:00 povilusr and vi(m)
05 15:07:00 andy753421 .. is better than emacs
05 15:08:00 auchter well done.
05 15:08:00 povilusr if only it were true
05 15:09:00 auchter only a program designed to drive you insane would include a psychotherapist
05 15:09:00 TBoneULS we should vote, i say vi is better
05 15:10:00 andy753421 although.. 'M-x spook' is pretty cool
05 15:11:00 povilusr only a program that was meant not to be used would require kestrokes after entering to actually do anything
05 15:11:00 auchter "keystrokes"?
05 15:11:00 auchter you press one key.
05 15:11:00 andy753421 you can do all sorts of stuff after entering vim, such as going to the location in the file that you want to edit
05 15:12:00 auchter or sometimes you just want to do a search and replace
05 15:12:00 auchter i don't even want to know what carpal tunnel inducing keystrokes that requires in emacs
05 15:13:00 povilusr all tose things
05 15:13:00 povilusr one ctrl character and one other character
05 15:13:00 auchter yeah, vim wins
05 15:14:00 auchter to goto line 143, for example, type :143
05 15:14:00 auchter none of this ctrl garbage
05 15:14:00 povilusr no, you have to use esc to get out of editmode befor you can do anything
05 15:14:00 andy753421 auchter: or 143G
05 15:14:00 povilusr which is dumb
05 15:14:00 auchter not if you've just opened the file
05 15:15:00 povilusr in emacs you never leave edit mode
05 15:15:00 povilusr no matter when go to is 2 keystrokes
05 15:15:00 andy753421 in vim, you generally /dont want/ to be in edit mode
05 15:15:00 auchter so, even by your backwards logi, it's a tie
05 15:15:00 auchter in edit mode, it's two keystroke
05 15:15:00 auchter otherwise, it's one
05 15:16:00 andy753421 or you could use ^o to temporarily go to normal mode, but i don't know why you would want to do that other than in scripts
05 15:17:00 auchter we need to find a nano user to join in the flamewar
05 15:18:00 povilusr wheres fuqua
05 15:18:00 andy753421 yea we do, or a kwrite/gedit user :)
05 15:18:00 auchter that'd just be too easy to ridicule
05 15:18:00 povilusr baty
05 15:19:00 povilusr baty uses gedit
05 15:19:00 povilusr he makes me cry
05 15:19:00 povilusr clas is out
05 15:19:00 auchter i wonder what the percentages of vim/emacs users are for professors
05 15:19:00 auchter i know doeing uses vim
05 15:20:00 andy753421 and so does mutchler!
05 15:20:00 auchter s/doeing/doering/
05 15:20:00 auchter i think jp uses emacs
05 15:20:00 andy753421 yea, i think archana uses vim,
05 15:20:00 andy753421 as does sriram
05 15:21:00 andy753421 and then there's curt who uses Eclipse, or maybe MacEditorReallyCool++
05 15:22:00 auchter someone should create an editor with that name
05 15:22:00 andy753421 claude uses emacs
05 15:22:00 auchter hell, s/emacs/MacEditorReallyCool++/ig on the emacs code
05 15:22:00 auchter then put a utterly useless gui on it, then it'd be perfect
05 15:23:00 andy753421 auchter: nah, emacs has to many options for mac users, i'd probably scare them off
05 15:24:00 auchter so does unix, and look at how nicely they've stupified that for them
05 15:28:00 andy753422 so what's the emacs RC?
05 15:49:00 auchter i think i'm going to submit a support ticket to IAIT about getting public key login enabled on dfs.rose-hulman.edu
05 15:50:00 andy753422 hm.. I'm getting 'Shell access has been disabled by the system administrator'?
05 15:50:00 andy753422 can you only use sftp?
05 15:50:00 auchter yeah
05 15:50:00 auchter unfortunately
05 15:50:00 andy753422 can they? I don't think it's running AFS
05 15:51:00 auchter what do you mean?
05 15:52:00 andy753422 you need your home dir mounted to use public key
05 15:52:00 andy753422 https://dfs.rose-hulman.edu/ that's interesting
05 15:52:00 andy753422 and it's Windows server..
05 15:52:00 auchter no, i copied my key to dfs.rose-hulman.edu already
05 15:52:00 andy753422 oh, nice
05 15:57:00 auchter Would it be possible to enable public-key login for dfs.rose-hulman.edu? This would make it easier for people to mount their home directories over sftp without having to enter a password each time. The output of sftp -v says that dfs.rose-hulman.edu is running VShell, and their website mentions that they do support public key login, which leads me to believe this is possible.
05 15:57:00 auchter Thanks, Michael
05 15:57:00 auchter i'm pretty bad at writing requests like this, suggestions?
05 15:59:00 andy753422 maybe it's enabled already, but VShell does it strangely..
05 16:00:00 auchter debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,gssapi-with-mic
05 16:00:00 auchter good point.
05 16:01:00 auchter http://www.vandyke.com/products/vshell/docs/windows/Authentication_Dialog.htm
05 16:04:00 auchter http://www.vandyke.com/products/vshell/docs/windows/Create_Identity_Files_with-1.htm
05 16:04:00 auchter under "Configure VShell Server to Recognize Your Public-Key File", it seems to say it looks in a particular location for the key
05 16:06:00 auchter meh, i'm just going to send my message and see what they say
05 17:18:00 povilusr baty is dumb
05 17:18:00 TBoneULS so is sam
05 21:24:00 povilusr anyone know hoe to add packages to cigwin
05 21:24:00 povilusr ?
05 21:24:00 povilusr i dident realies that xemacs coems with cigwin and didetn find the box to install initally
05 21:30:00 povilusr nm found it
05 21:30:00 povilusr wiat
05 21:30:00 povilusr i think it reinstalling everything
05 21:30:00 povilusr wtf
05 21:33:00 crr lol sam you can't spell
05 21:33:00 crr sorry, I don't know the answer to your question
05 21:34:00 povilusr i figured it out sorta
05 21:34:00 povilusr apparently you re-run setup.exe
05 23:03:00 zumbrujm hey guys
05 23:03:00 zumbrujm I'm trying to install ubuntu onto a flash drive using the following tutorial
05 23:03:00 zumbrujm http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install-for-linux-users/
05 23:03:00 zumbrujm I was hoping maybe you all could give me a little help
05 23:06:00 crr I'm looking at the page you referenced; is there a step that's giving you trouble?
05 23:07:00 zumbrujm yes
05 23:07:00 zumbrujm when I try to unmount sda1, it says
05 23:07:00 zumbrujm http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install-for-linux-users/
05 23:07:00 zumbrujm unmount/dev/sda1: No such file or directory
05 23:08:00 crr on my computer my flash drive is /dev/sdb1
05 23:08:00 crr do this command:
05 23:08:00 crr ls /dev/sd*
05 23:10:00 zumbrujm it showed a line
05 23:11:00 crr lol
05 23:11:00 crr what was on that line
05 23:12:00 zumbrujm /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2
05 23:14:00 crr do this command (and give the output):
05 23:14:00 crr cat /etc/fstab
05 23:15:00 zumbrujm unionfs / unionfs rw 0 0tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
05 23:15:00 auchter did you type "unmount/dev/sda1"?
05 23:16:00 crr lol
05 23:16:00 crr yeah it should be:
05 23:16:00 crr umount /dev/sda1
05 23:16:00 crr with no n
05 23:17:00 crr and a space after umount
05 23:17:00 zumbrujm ah
05 23:18:00 crr yeah - I completely thought he had no /dev/sda1
05 23:18:00 crr and confused myself :P
05 23:18:00 auchter i have to admit, umount is very unintuitive
05 23:18:00 octavious auchter: did you send that email about public key authentication?
05 23:18:00 auchter octavious: yeah, i did, haven't heard back yet though
05 23:19:00 octavious auchter: is there a way to pair a public key with the kerberos authentication, so that we could use it to authenticate to all the services (that would be sweet)
05 23:19:00 auchter andy would probably know more about that, but i just use my public key on the public unix machines right now
05 23:21:00 octavious have you used this successfully? my attempts have not worked
05 23:21:00 octavious like, the afs mount didn't work properly, because i wasnt getting a kerberos token
05 23:22:00 auchter well, you can type "kinit <username>", enter your password, then type "aklog" and you're good for a while
05 23:22:00 auchter or, you can create a folder and file in /scratch and have your .cshrc source that each time you login
05 23:22:00 auchter and that file would have those commands and your password as well, which is what i do
05 23:22:00 zumbrujm thanks guys
05 23:23:00 auchter no problem, if you have any other questions just ask
05 23:57:00 zumbrujm cp: cannot create symbolic link `/media/ubuntu704/dists/stable': Operation not permitted
05 23:57:00 zumbrujm it is giving me this error on step 16
05 23:58:00 zumbrujm this time I copied and pasted the code directly from the tutorial
06 00:01:00 zumbrujm do you think this will cause a serious problem?
06 00:03:00 auchter hold on, i'm reading through it now
06 00:04:00 zumbrujm k
06 00:04:00 auchter to be honest, i'm not sure
06 00:05:00 zumbrujm okay
06 00:05:00 zumbrujm I'm going to try and boot off of it, and see what happens then
06 00:05:00 zumbrujm because most of the files are on the drive
06 00:05:00 zumbrujm and I can write to it
06 00:05:00 zumbrujm be back soon
06 00:10:00 zumbrujm that didn't work, it said media test failure, and missing operating systerm
06 00:11:00 zumbrujm that didn't work
06 00:38:00 octavious the problem with the operation not supported is probably because he is attempting to make a symbolic link on a vfat filesystem
06 00:38:00 octavious :crr : 11/06/07 07:28 >< PART #rhlug :
06 16:15:00 andy753422 http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Editors
06 16:40:00 povilus-desktop you done with editors, il start
06 16:42:00 octavious you guys get the email from chidandan?
06 16:42:00 povilus-desktop aye
06 16:43:00 povilus-desktop il proly star at the lug
06 16:43:00 povilus-desktop althoug hpeer review may be usefull
06 16:44:00 octavious thats what the wiki's for i guess
06 16:44:00 octavious although, i never successfully got the VPN working properly
06 16:45:00 auchter andy's been able to get the vpn working over wireless, and i've gotten it working from off campus
06 16:46:00 auchter isaac hasn't really used linux before, so i might volunteer for the printers
06 16:46:00 octavious well, i will either probe you two for information about your vpn configurations
07 15:00:00 povilus-desktop ubuntu on my laptop wont fully shutdown, it will restar but when i tell it to shut down it just sits there after killing x
07 16:03:00 octavious excitement in here
07 16:25:00 auchter this channel has been busy, just not now apparently
07 16:26:00 andy753422 it's wednesday, none of us are in class ;)
07 16:27:00 auchter and as a result, none of use are concious
07 16:27:00 auchter 10th week sure is fun
07 17:10:00 andy753421 anyone got a ubuntu Gusty DVD?
07 17:12:00 cgiirc085 nick Will
07 17:12:00 cgiirc085 hmm. Does anyone know the commands to get the ati drivers working on the nw8440s?
07 17:12:00 andy753421 cgiirc085: try '/nick will', and what distro are you using?
07 17:13:00 cgiirc085 This is Will Fuqua. Defoe is trying to get Ubuntu running on his nw8440.
07 17:13:00 cgiirc085 I remember Mike was experimenting around with it.
07 17:14:00 andy753421 I see, is it installed already? or is he trying to run the live cd?
07 17:14:00 cgiirc085 I think some version of libstdc++ is needed, as well as the fglrx driver
07 17:15:00 cgiirc085 He is installing 7.04, rather than 7.10. He is going to run the live cd later, but wants to know what to do if it is indeed a problem
07 17:15:00 auchter yeah, you need libstdc++5, i believe
07 17:15:00 auchter it's in the yum repos
07 17:15:00 cgiirc085 o.k.
07 17:16:00 andy753421 auchter: ubuntu
07 17:16:00 auchter apt, rather
07 17:16:00 cgiirc085 I knew what he meanth though
07 17:16:00 cgiirc085 thanks, i'll email that to him
07 17:16:00 andy753421 ok, didn't it have problems starting X correctly as well?
07 17:16:00 cgiirc085 right. that should be the fix.
07 17:17:00 auchter well, X wouldn't start for the install for me
07 17:17:00 auchter i had to pkill -9 gdm, then startx to get the install to go
07 17:17:00 cgiirc085 oh, so you didn't need to install libstdc++?
07 17:17:00 auchter not for the install, but afterwards to get the graphics going you do
07 17:18:00 cgiirc085 o.k.
07 17:18:00 auchter followed by the fglrx drivers
07 17:19:00 andy753421 auchter: do you remember what the error it gives for why GDM doesn't work?
07 17:19:00 andy753421 something about the wirleless card?
07 17:20:00 auchter i don't recall what the problem was
07 17:20:00 andy753421 ok
07 17:20:00 auchter there's no reason for gdm to be running during the install anyway
07 17:20:00 andy753421 yea, but it'd be easier to have them add a boot flag or something than to have to crash X, kill gdm, and run startx
07 17:21:00 cgiirc085 btw, last week we tried starting it in safe graphics mode, but it still crashed
07 17:21:00 andy753421 ok
07 17:22:00 auchter i wonder if there's a list of boot flags anywhere
07 17:23:00 andy753421 /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
07 17:23:00 auchter i meant ubuntu specific ones
07 17:24:00 andy753421 oh, would there be a difference?
07 17:24:00 auchter i don't know really
07 17:54:00 TBoneULS auchter: you wrote the wiki page on the off campus vpn, right?
07 17:57:00 TBoneULS anyway i had a question for when you get back
07 17:58:00 TBoneULS maybe im missing it in the man page, but what does HISADDR do or am i supposed to replace it with something
07 18:21:00 andy753422 are the freshman/sophomore laptops 32 or 64 bit?
07 18:24:00 auchter sophomore is 32, freshman is 64
07 18:25:00 auchter TBoneULS: HISADDR gets automatically replaced with the ip of the interface by ppp
07 18:47:00 TBoneULS ah okay thanks
07 18:51:00 TBoneULS anyone else running ubuntu having issues with the display show random lines/ colors when switching to a terminal?
07 18:51:00 TBoneULS im using the nvidia drivers
07 18:56:00 tommost I've never had that issue; same drivers.
07 18:57:00 TBoneULS hmm
07 20:40:00 auchter so, has anyone here ever used anything to keep /home synchronized across multiple machines?
07 21:14:00 povilus-desktop rsync?
07 21:14:00 povilus-desktop cvs
07 21:14:00 povilus-desktop svn
07 21:14:00 povilus-desktop mouts
07 21:14:00 povilus-desktop ?
07 21:16:00 auchter i was considering rsync
07 21:16:00 auchter i haven't heard of mouts before
07 21:16:00 povilus-desktop just generic monts
07 21:16:00 povilus-desktop like ftp, samba something
07 21:16:00 auchter ah, ok
07 21:16:00 auchter svn might be cool for configs and such...
07 21:16:00 povilus-desktop rsync is prolly best
07 21:17:00 povilus-desktop script it into cron
07 21:17:00 andy753421 i use SVN for .zshrc, .vimrc, and pidgin/libpurple files
07 21:17:00 andy753421 maybe a few others
07 21:17:00 andy753421 .env, .rtorrent.rc, .treewm as well
07 21:18:00 auchter yeah, i might do that, but i think it would also be nice to have access to all of my files
07 21:19:00 povilus-desktop some sort of secure mount, but the bandwith might be bad over the ner
07 21:19:00 povilus-desktop net*
07 21:43:00 auchter yeah, i'm going to try to get something set up over break
07 21:44:00 auchter i wish there was a good cross platform way to encrypt the files as welll
07 21:45:00 andy753421 auchter: mcrypt
07 21:46:00 andy753421 i looked into syncing my home directory at the beginning of freshman year but never found a good way to do it
07 21:47:00 andy753421 net mount would be nice, but it's still slow, and it really sucks to not have a local copy when you don't have a net connection
07 21:47:00 andy753421 and getting a net disconnect tends to crash /everything/
07 21:48:00 andy753421 never tried rsync though, i was to scared i would get conflicts
07 21:50:00 auchter i think i'm going to give rsync a try
07 21:50:00 auchter i keep most of my heavily edited projects/homework in svn anyway
07 21:51:00 auchter i'm actually considering buying some offsite storage as well... rsync.net has pretty reasonable prices, and they also have student discounts
07 21:52:00 auchter i would just host stuff myself, but my upload really can't compete with them
09 10:44:00 povilus-desktop whats a good linux usenet file downloader?
09 14:57:00 andy753421 Dr. Mellor is going to be doing the presentation the week we get back from break on LaTeX
09 14:57:00 andy753421 and I think we should install ubuntu on the lab computer on sdb..
09 14:57:00 andy753421 because fedora is pissing me off
09 15:02:00 auchter sdb?
09 15:02:00 andy753421 the second hard drive
09 15:02:00 auchter ah, didn't even think of that
09 18:05:00 crr hey guys!!
09 18:06:00 crr how would you go about both redirecting standard output and piping standard error to a different command
09 18:06:00 crr I should clarify:
09 18:06:00 crr I'd like to send standard error to one command
09 18:06:00 crr but standard output is useless, so I'd like to send it to /dev/null
09 18:56:00 andy753422 ok, so chris already got a solution, but anyway, i think you can do 'command 2>&1 1>/dev/null | other command'
09 22:50:00 andy753422 I found a new thing to petition IAIT for
09 22:50:00 andy753422 set something other that [t]csh as the default shell
09 22:52:00 auchter that would be good. tcsh really bothers me
09 22:52:00 auchter whoever thought ctrl-d would be a good autocomplete button is an idiot
09 22:53:00 andy753422 heh, and the fact that I can't write shell scripts in it
09 22:53:00 andy753422 i.e. it's taking me about 10 minutes to figure out how to exec zsh ;)
09 22:53:00 auchter impressive
09 22:54:00 auchter i just tried to run chsh and it told me to run ypchsh instead
09 22:54:00 andy753422 yea.. can't do that I don't think
09 22:54:00 andy753422 although..
09 22:54:00 auchter yeah, it fails
09 22:55:00 andy753422 i remember there being some guy on ldap with bash as their login shell, i'm going to go do a search for that guy and then e-mail him to see what he did
09 22:57:00 andy753421 hmm.. it doesn't seem to be listed in ldap, i must have seen it somewhere else
09 23:06:00 andy753421 hm.. aparently that guy was 'root'
09 23:24:00 auchter ah, i see
09 23:27:00 auchter IAIT still hasn't responded to my request for public key login
10 19:44:00 andy753421 yo, who has ubuntu installed?
10 19:44:00 andy753421 i need a grub conf line for botting it
10 21:32:00 TBoneULS ive got ubuntu installed
10 21:38:00 TBoneULS what exactly do you need?
10 23:27:00 andy753421 cat /boot/grub/grub.conf, or something along those lines
12 04:31:00 andy753421 has anyone found a good network manager? i.e. something that will pick wired/wireless and store passwords and what not? All the ones i've been able to find have fancy GUI's but I would prefer some form of command line tool
12 16:11:00 povilus-desktop news bin equivalent for linux?
12 16:11:00 povilus-desktop quick par equivalent for linus?
12 16:12:00 povilus-desktop any one know of those items?
12 16:22:00 auchter what's quick par?
12 16:22:00 octavious parchive?
12 16:22:00 povilus-desktop par and par2 file handler
12 16:24:00 auchter it looks like par2cmdline would do the job
12 16:44:00 povilus-desktop il look into that htanks
13 16:45:00 auchter so, i think archana wanted the installation instructions done by tonight
13 16:48:00 povilusr relly?
13 16:49:00 povilusr anyone gotten the gnome buy to work for the vpn?
13 16:49:00 povilusr its not working for me
13 16:50:00 auchter yeah. if you haven't seen, there's a page on the wiki for it: http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Ubuntu_install_guide
13 16:50:00 auchter what do you mean by gnome buy?
13 17:04:00 andy753421 hmm, i'll reboot and write some stuff up about AFS
13 17:14:00 auchter is AFS difficult to get going at all?
13 17:14:00 auchter because another possibility would be to give instructions on DFS instead
13 17:14:00 auchter or even just mounting AFS using sshfs...
13 17:15:00 andy753421 i'm taking a look at it right now
13 17:15:00 auchter ok
13 17:24:00 auchter oh, i didn't realize that tom put up a howto for AFS on ubuntu...
13 17:24:00 auchter it doesn't look too difficult
13 17:25:00 andy753421 oh yea, what's the link to that?
13 17:25:00 auchter http://freecog.net/2007/openafs-ubuntu-feisty
13 17:25:00 andy753421 oh
13 17:26:00 andy753421 we need to go though and smooth things out a lot too
13 17:27:00 auchter or just script it all
13 17:27:00 andy753421 like, have a section on basics, so we can just say 'install x,y,z' instead of 'now run apt-get or syntaptic' and such
13 17:27:00 auchter yeah, that's not a bad idea
13 17:28:00 andy753421 it would be nice to provide a script at the end, but I think it's worthwhile for people to know what's going on
13 17:28:00 auchter i agree, otherwise they're going to be pretty handcuffed and not use it as much as they could
13 17:28:00 andy753421 otherwise we're going to get floods of people coming to #rhlug asking questions whenever something breaks
13 17:28:00 auchter i'd be willing to work on this over break some more
13 17:29:00 auchter because it's definitely not going to be ready by tonight
13 17:31:00 andy753421 ough, i need to install a decent window manager
13 17:32:00 auchter what are you using?
13 17:32:00 andy753421 compiz/gnome rightnwo
13 17:47:00 andy753421 ah, back in WMII, and an orange WMII at that :)
13 17:50:00 auchter gnome is much too explorer like for me... one of the reasons i moved away from windows is explorer's tedious clicking and such
13 17:50:00 andy753421 yea, i just get confused because I can't keep track of where my windows are at
13 17:51:00 povilusr guigui
13 17:51:00 povilusr *
13 17:51:00 auchter hmm?
13 17:52:00 povilusr gnome vpn gui
13 17:52:00 auchter ah, i've never used it
13 17:56:00 auchter i would just edit the config files manually
13 18:56:00 andy753422 take a look at http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Talk:Ubuntu_install_guide and give suggestion
13 19:01:00 andy753422 hehe, so my clock was wrong and I just synced my clock to tick.mit.edu
13 19:01:00 andy753422 but it set itself to 00:00:00.. took me a few seconds to realize that that was the correct time (in UTC)
13 20:14:00 auchter i usually sync to dna.rose-hulman.edu
13 20:58:00 andy753422 ahh, wikimedia templates are crazy
14 00:07:00 auchter the formatting on the install talk page looks good
14 00:15:00 andy753422 are we having the freshman install the 64 bit version?
14 00:17:00 auchter doesn't matter to me
14 00:18:00 andy753422 ok, lets assume so
14 01:01:00 auchter that article's looking pretty professional now
14 01:03:00 auchter we should talk to mcleish about getting the 7.10 isos mirrored. they have a page for them, but only have the .torrent files posted...
14 01:03:00 andy753422 yea
14 01:04:00 andy753422 did he ever put up the fedora 64 bit stuff?
14 01:04:00 auchter http://ftp.cs.rose-hulman.edu/linux/fedora/releases/7/Fedora/x86_64/os/Fedora/
14 01:04:00 andy753422 ok
14 15:56:00 auchter andy753421: should i merge the openafs instructions from the talk page into the main article?
14 16:00:00 auchter also, the command guide boxes seem to insert a blank line between the second and third lines of text
14 19:05:00 andy753421 auchter: wrap the command with nowiki tags, e.g. {{guide:cmd|<nowiki>cmds</nowiki>}}
14 19:06:00 andy753421 I would not merge it, I think the AFS page is more technical than we should include in the guide
14 19:06:00 andy753421 i.e. i wrote it on/for gentoo
14 19:15:00 auchter no, i meant the AFS thing that you have in the talk page for the ubuntu install
14 19:15:00 auchter from tom's page
14 19:15:00 andy753421 oh, i guess we could use it as a start, but it's not very complete
14 19:17:00 andy753421 actually, it's missing the end half or so, about configuring files and what not.
14 19:17:00 andy753421 when i tried installing openafs-client it prompted me for my cell, so I would like to see how that does and whether there's any other configuration that needs to be done first
14 19:18:00 auchter ah, alright
14 22:04:00 povilus-desktop woot for home
14 22:06:00 auchter anti-woot for prob exam tomorrow morning.
14 22:09:00 povilus-desktop ha ha
14 22:09:00 povilus-desktop im 1200 miles away, YAY
14 22:10:00 auchter i'll be 404 miles away by this time tomorrow, thank $DIETY
14 22:17:00 auchter hehe, diety... my brain is fried
14 22:28:00 Zeta_RHIT Almost done with finals?
14 22:28:00 Zeta_RHIT and/or just get out of one?
14 22:28:00 auchter just have probability to go
14 22:28:00 auchter nah, i had conaps earlier today, which was fun
14 22:29:00 Zeta_RHIT I still have a take-home to finish when we get out of probability
14 22:29:00 Zeta_RHIT Also, ick... conapps
14 22:29:00 auchter ah, so you have prob as well
14 22:29:00 auchter i'm at a loss as to what i should study...
14 22:30:00 Zeta_RHIT 8 AM tomorrow w/ evans
14 22:30:00 Zeta_RHIT Well, I forgot the exponential vs. Poisson thing last test
14 22:30:00 Zeta_RHIT thankfully I dropped that question and fudged the other one
14 22:30:00 Zeta_RHIT Going to review that one for sure
14 22:32:00 auchter i'm most worried about the stuff we did at the beginning of the quarter
14 22:32:00 Zeta_RHIT Yeah... counting can be a pain
14 22:32:00 auchter i was horrible at that... although the exam shibberu gave last year didn't have any of that, really
14 22:33:00 Zeta_RHIT just have to take time and think through it
14 22:33:00 Zeta_RHIT I've not looked at his final
14 22:33:00 Zeta_RHIT I'm just looking at the topics list atm
14 22:34:00 Zeta_RHIT I actually did decent on counting for the first time ever on the first test... historically I've been horrible at it
14 22:34:00 Zeta_RHIT hopefully I can repeat that performance tomorrow :(
14 22:34:00 Zeta_RHIT not likely though
14 22:35:00 auchter luckily we have more than enough time
14 22:35:00 Zeta_RHIT was she planning for a two hour final?
14 22:35:00 Zeta_RHIT I don't recall
14 22:36:00 Zeta_RHIT ooh, we'll need CIs
14 22:36:00 Zeta_RHIT I think...
14 22:36:00 auchter ?
14 22:36:00 Zeta_RHIT confidence intervals?
14 22:36:00 Zeta_RHIT or is that not on there?
14 22:36:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah, they are
14 22:36:00 Zeta_RHIT at least stuff with xbar distributions is on it
14 22:37:00 auchter i should probabily figure out what confidence intervals are sometime.
14 22:38:00 Zeta_RHIT Basically, they say you've included a large enough group in your sample to be sure that the true population average falls within two standard deviations of your sample mean
14 22:38:00 Zeta_RHIT in either direction
14 22:39:00 Zeta_RHIT well, that's for 95%
14 22:39:00 Zeta_RHIT 99.7% for 3 standard devs, 68% for 1 standard dev
14 22:40:00 Zeta_RHIT that help at all?
14 22:40:00 auchter ah yes, i remember that. thanks
14 22:41:00 Zeta_RHIT np :)
14 22:41:00 Zeta_RHIT I took ap stats and then still had to take this class :(
14 22:41:00 Zeta_RHIT So I remember them decently well :P
14 22:41:00 Zeta_RHIT Yay for credits that count only as far as non-area electives :(
14 22:42:00 Zeta_RHIT also, linux...
14 22:42:00 Zeta_RHIT Just tossing it out there so it's still LUG
14 22:44:00 auchter linux indeed. i plan on using linux to help me on my exam tomorrow
14 22:44:00 Zeta_RHIT Heh
14 22:44:00 auchter more specifically, maple on linux
14 22:44:00 Zeta_RHIT I still need to get gentoo running on my IBM box
14 22:44:00 Zeta_RHIT I screwed it up horribly... twice
14 22:45:00 auchter i'm probably going to reinstall gentoo on my laptop over break
14 22:45:00 Zeta_RHIT so is this a two hour final?
14 22:45:00 auchter i hope so
14 22:46:00 auchter so... pretty much a normal evans exam
14 22:46:00 Zeta_RHIT My econ class had a 2 hour final starting at 8
14 22:46:00 Zeta_RHIT very not cool
14 22:46:00 Zeta_RHIT if you're going for 2 hours, go 10-12
14 22:46:00 Zeta_RHIT if 2 is the cutoff, that is
14 22:46:00 Zeta_RHIT Also, yeah... I've gone to the period before for every evans test so far
14 22:47:00 Zeta_RHIT And I've been thankful I did
14 22:48:00 auchter i did for the first and third. the second one i took in class and still managed a 90, which was pretty amazing for only 50 minutes
14 22:48:00 Zeta_RHIT I'd say so
14 22:48:00 Zeta_RHIT Those tests are really nastily long
14 22:48:00 Zeta_RHIT Only worse ones I've had were goldman exams
14 22:48:00 auchter she just gets too excited about the problems, haha
14 22:49:00 Zeta_RHIT heh, it was the same thing with him too
14 22:49:00 Zeta_RHIT His would be easily 2.5 hour exams
14 22:49:00 Zeta_RHIT and there was no period before
14 22:49:00 Zeta_RHIT you just did partial work on everything as fast as you could to maximize points
14 22:50:00 Zeta_RHIT you actually would do cursory work to show you knew what you were doing, then go back if you had time
14 22:50:00 auchter reminds me of conaps
14 22:50:00 Zeta_RHIT sometimes you wouldn't have an actual answer to any of the questions, but pull a B
14 22:50:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah, but even worse
14 22:50:00 Zeta_RHIT conapps were about 1.5 hour exams
14 22:51:00 Zeta_RHIT Goldman's ECE250/ECE351 was 2.5 if you worked at it like any other test
14 22:51:00 Zeta_RHIT Most of us were there at the end of the 4 hour final period
14 22:51:00 Zeta_RHIT I'd say 75%-ish
14 22:52:00 auchter insanity
14 22:52:00 Zeta_RHIT Indeed
14 22:52:00 Zeta_RHIT Very painful insanity
14 22:52:00 Zeta_RHIT You basically walked out with your brain cells oozing out your ears
14 22:53:00 Zeta_RHIT going, "I quit"
14 22:53:00 Zeta_RHIT I felt really bad for people with a final the next morning
14 22:53:00 Zeta_RHIT since that was a 6PM final
14 22:53:00 Zeta_RHIT That had to be horrific
14 22:54:00 auchter yeah... i kind of like 6PM finals
14 22:54:00 auchter certainly better than 8AM
14 22:54:00 Zeta_RHIT we can put anything on the notecard, right?
14 22:54:00 Zeta_RHIT double sided?
14 22:54:00 Zeta_RHIT I'll take 1PM, myself
14 22:55:00 auchter i believe it is double sided
14 22:55:00 Zeta_RHIT ty
14 22:56:00 Zeta_RHIT this is either going to be a cakewalk or a slaughter
14 22:56:00 Zeta_RHIT Depends on how shubaru writes problems
14 22:56:00 Zeta_RHIT Since evans' are usually rather easy
14 22:57:00 auchter oh, is shibberu writing the whole exam?
14 23:10:00 Zeta_RHIT no, I don't think so
14 23:10:00 Zeta_RHIT they're writing it together
14 23:11:00 Zeta_RHIT sorry, was away slightly
14 23:22:00 Zeta_RHIT I have a bad feeling I'm going to forget supports like mad tomorrow
14 23:22:00 Zeta_RHIT Thankfully, she bolds that on every question :)
14 23:23:00 Zeta_RHIT wonders if anyone else is actually here
14 23:23:00 auchter i just got back from wandering for 20 minutes
14 23:23:00 auchter 26 minutes, rather
14 23:23:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
14 23:23:00 Zeta_RHIT I was saying others besides us
14 23:23:00 Zeta_RHIT I figured you'd gone afk for a bit
14 23:24:00 auchter perhaps they're all working on the wiki
14 23:24:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
14 23:24:00 Zeta_RHIT perhaps
14 23:24:00 Zeta_RHIT I want to do anything but this
14 23:24:00 povilus-desktop eve
14 23:24:00 Zeta_RHIT I want to be freaking done alreay
14 23:24:00 Zeta_RHIT anything
14 23:25:00 Zeta_RHIT *already
14 23:25:00 povilus-desktop we got an email about the wiki
14 23:25:00 povilus-desktop done is?
14 23:25:00 povilus-desktop doneish*?
14 23:25:00 Zeta_RHIT wasn't talking about the wiki there
14 23:25:00 Zeta_RHIT I want to be done with this damned quarter
14 23:26:00 povilus-desktop [23:24] auchter: perhaps they're all working on the wiki
14 23:26:00 Zeta_RHIT wow
14 23:26:00 Zeta_RHIT I didn't process the change in person at all
14 23:26:00 Zeta_RHIT both of you have purple names, so I didn't notice
14 23:26:00 povilus-desktop the "eve" dident hit ant anythign for you
14 23:27:00 povilus-desktop freeking lost another drone
14 23:27:00 Zeta_RHIT I'm freaking tired and have been studying for 6 hours after taking that signals final... do you honestly think I can coherently think?
14 23:27:00 Zeta_RHIT get me a bpo and I'll build 'em for ya
14 23:27:00 povilus-desktop not that expensive its just anoying
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT wasps?
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop you have to go back to station to put them in drone bay
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop aye
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT I'm going to be in the market for them too soon
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop ?
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop you able use heavy?
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT not yet
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT soon
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop on ship
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop ?
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT a week or rwo
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT two
14 23:28:00 povilus-desktop cool
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah,
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT 75m3
14 23:28:00 Zeta_RHIT the raven's a beast
14 23:29:00 povilus-desktop 75 is 3 wasps
14 23:29:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah
14 23:29:00 Zeta_RHIT which is better than 2 vespa I's
14 23:29:00 povilus-desktop oh
14 23:29:00 Zeta_RHIT they're useless
14 23:29:00 auchter i feel so lost
14 23:29:00 povilus-desktop thought the "two" was # not time till
14 23:29:00 povilus-desktop you got oxygeen isotopes?
14 23:30:00 Zeta_RHIT erm, no
14 23:30:00 Zeta_RHIT We're talking about eve online
14 23:31:00 auchter ah, the one with the pseudo-linux client now?
14 23:31:00 Zeta_RHIT yes
14 23:31:00 Zeta_RHIT Close enough for me if it works :P
14 23:31:00 Zeta_RHIT I've not had a chance to check yet
14 23:31:00 Zeta_RHIT what with finals and all
14 23:53:00 Zeta_RHIT well, see ya in the morning
14 23:55:00 auchter yeah, hopefully it isn't too bad
14 23:57:00 auchter instructions for RHIT-1X should probably be added to that install page, too
14 23:57:00 povilus-desktop ubuntu makes it easy
14 23:57:00 auchter the RHIT-1X page kind of says what needs to be done, but i'm not quite sure how to write out the steps for ubuntu
14 23:58:00 auchter povilus-desktop: you think you could write down the steps to get it working in ubuntu and put it on the wiki?
14 23:58:00 povilus-desktop you just got to thin thing say connect and select the correct wpa thing and enter you password and uname
14 23:58:00 povilus-desktop id be more descriptive but i cannot remember
14 23:58:00 auchter ah, alright
14 23:59:00 povilus-desktop il go grab my laptop boot ubuntu and do that though
14 23:59:00 auchter yeah, my ubuntu installation's on an external drive somewhere
15 00:01:00 povilus-desktop wait
15 00:01:00 povilus-desktop that might not work
15 00:02:00 povilus-desktop not on campus cannot get the network to try
15 00:02:00 povilus-desktop but il look and see
15 00:02:00 povilus-desktop otherwise make zeta do it tomarro
15 00:02:00 auchter ttp://lug.phire.org/index.php/RHIT1X
15 00:02:00 auchter er, http://lug.phire.org/index.php/RHIT1X
15 00:02:00 auchter there are the values, i was just wondering what needed to be done specifically for ubuntu
15 00:03:00 auchter like what menus to go to, etc.
15 00:04:00 povilus-desktop click on the network icon in the upper right, select rhit-1x
15 00:04:00 povilus-desktop select wpa(something)
15 00:04:00 povilus-desktop input uname and pass
15 00:04:00 povilus-desktop it works through the power of magic
15 00:05:00 auchter amazing
15 00:09:00 povilus-desktop how do numbered list wki syntax
15 00:09:00 povilus-desktop ?
15 00:15:00 auchter #
15 00:16:00 povilus-desktop waht is something, eg what wpa type does rose use
15 18:00:00 povilus-desktop is it sad that my hub is loudet than both my laptop and desktop combined
15 18:00:00 povilus-desktop and yes it is a hub
15 18:14:00 Zeta_RHIT test
15 18:17:00 povilus-desktop sup
15 18:18:00 Zeta_RHIT playing supcomm fa
15 18:18:00 povilus-desktop playn eve with large there not that hot
16 01:39:00 auchter From the xxd manpage: WARNINGS The tools weirdness matches its creators brain. Use entirely at your own risk. Copy files. Trace it. Become a wizard.
16 03:19:00 Zeta_RHIT rofl
17 01:45:00 octavious so
17 01:45:00 octavious you guys ever heard of cinlug? Central Indiana LUG
17 01:45:00 octavious apparently meet in Indy
17 01:46:00 octavious also, they are trying judge interest in a Indiana Linux Fest
17 13:11:00 auchter octavious: that sounds pretty interesting
17 16:22:00 povilus-desktop online client that seems to work
17 16:22:00 povilus-desktop http://www.pjirc.com/main.php
17 16:23:00 Rilden <--- confirmed, I'm running it right now :P
17 16:25:00 Rilden needs to either be hosted on your own server or find a server hosting it without too many restrictions
17 18:14:00 auchter povilus-desktop: http://lug.phire.org/irc/client
17 20:42:00 zumbrujm hello guys
17 20:43:00 zumbrujm I'm trying to get Hamachi to run
17 20:45:00 zumbrujm I was following this tutorial
17 20:45:00 zumbrujm http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=503768
17 20:46:00 zumbrujm It says I require a TUN driver for hamachi to work, and asks if I want to use tuncfg
17 20:46:00 zumbrujm whether I say yes or no, it still can't log on
17 20:47:00 zumbrujm any advice?
18 00:31:00 Zeta_RHIT How goes the break?
18 00:32:00 andy753421 swell
18 00:38:00 Zeta_RHIT Well, at least everyone isn't dead :P
18 00:40:00 Zeta_RHIT well, afk-like here too
18 00:40:00 Zeta_RHIT counterstrike time
18 01:17:00 crr if by counterstrike you mean nexuiz and/or sleep, then yes
18 01:17:00 crr or civ 4, which works semi-perfectly under wine :)
18 01:20:00 crr zumbrujm: sounds like the first step in that tutorial ("modprobe tun") either was skipped or failed somehow. We're eager to help you, but we need more information (i.e. error messages, what you tried, etc.)
18 01:20:00 octavious i am bored as hell.
18 01:20:00 crr that's why I've been occupying myself with silly games
18 01:20:00 andy753422 http://www.addictinggames.com/ageofwar.html
18 01:20:00 octavious i am watching all the episodes of weeds
18 01:20:00 octavious i watch like in 8 hour segments
18 01:22:00 octavious damn. i was so bored i just made like 4 dozen cookies
18 01:43:00 Zeta_RHIT back
18 12:56:00 zumbrujm hey guys
18 12:59:00 zumbrujm when I followed the tutortial, all the steps were executed fine
18 12:59:00 zumbrujm I reran the steps involving tuncfg, and it gave me the output that it said I was supposed to get
18 13:00:00 zumbrujm nothing seemed to be wrong until I tried to run the program
18 13:00:00 zumbrujm it went to internet->hamachi
18 13:01:00 zumbrujm the message that there was a tun/tap driver required came up, and I selected the option "try to use tuncfg?"
18 13:02:00 zumbrujm it then launched the program with the gui interface
18 13:02:00 zumbrujm it displayed the message "logging on", and then it never logged on
18 13:03:00 zumbrujm since then, I deleted the login keyring with keyring manager (lol). I need to figure out how to make that work before I can get back to figuring out this issue.
18 23:38:00 Zeta_RHIT pokes the other chat zombies
18 23:38:00 povilusr gat camp in ad-
18 23:38:00 povilusr you knwo you wanna come tackle
18 23:38:00 Zeta_RHIT sweet
18 23:38:00 Zeta_RHIT logging on atm anyways
18 23:41:00 andy753422 ... they're speaking in tongues
18 23:42:00 povilusr zeta you traning fot dictors or nanything besides fleet bs?
18 23:42:00 povilusr :P
18 23:52:00 povilusr erugrana
18 23:55:00 auchter mutilated tongues, maybe
18 23:57:00 auchter has anyone here ever used SAGE?
18 23:58:00 andy753422 which SAGE?
18 23:59:00 auchter this SAGE: http://www.sagemath.org/
19 00:00:00 auchter it seems pretty cool to me, i installed it but haven't used it much yet
19 00:00:00 auchter i'm looking into it as an open source replacement for Maple
19 00:25:00 andy753422 is it really a bad idea to mix batteries of different brands/charge states in devices?
19 00:31:00 Zeta_RHIT Well, the charge states thing will waste batteries if you don't keep mixing over and over
19 00:31:00 Zeta_RHIT Some cheap brands don't like mixing with any other brand, but that's because they sucked to begin with
19 20:54:00 andy753421 Has anyone ever tried running 32 bit linux (especially ubuntu) on a machine with >= 4Gb of ram?
19 20:54:00 andy753421 Delvin's having some problems getting it to work on his laptop and that's apparently the problem.
19 21:00:00 auchter andy753421: there's an option in the kernel for High Memory Support, which may help
19 21:02:00 auchter "CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G: Select this if you have a 32-bit processor and more than 4 gigabytes of physical RAM."
21 01:21:00 octavious god firefox is so slow
21 01:21:00 octavious need an alternate browser...that render's correctly..
21 01:22:00 andy753421 good luck finding an open source one
21 01:22:00 andy753421 i think konqueror/KHTML is supposed to be pretty good but that's KDE stuff..
21 01:22:00 octavious does that not use the gecko engine? or is KHTML the engine
21 01:23:00 andy753421 KHTML is the rendering engine
21 01:23:00 andy753421 supposedly faster and more compliant or something
21 01:23:00 octavious interesting.
21 01:23:00 andy753421 actually, i wouldn't doubt it since gecko is so bogged down with old netscape code, and cross platform stuff
21 01:24:00 andy753421 safari uses a modified version of KHTML as well
21 01:25:00 octavious hmm, i wonder how independent of KDE KHTML is
21 01:25:00 andy753421 http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/history.html looked interesting for a while, but i don't think there's been much work on it lately
21 01:26:00 octavious heh, KHTML is listed as a component of the GTK webcore :P
21 01:26:00 andy753421 yep, went from KDE to apple, then apple back to GTK ;)
21 01:29:00 andy753421 rendering engines are the only that that I wish the Gnome folks would reimplement..
21 01:29:00 andy753421 KDE on the other hand, they just reimplement everything ;)
21 01:30:00 octavious heh, yeah.
21 01:32:00 octavious i need to keep my list of annoyances somewhere
21 01:32:00 octavious so in the future when i have time, I can investigate which open source projects i want to contribute to
21 01:33:00 octavious although a HTML rendering engine has to be incredibly complicated.
21 01:34:00 andy753421 yea, because HTML/XML/Javascript/DOM/CSS/SVG and whatever else is overly complicated
21 01:34:00 octavious i wonder if you could design a rendering engine using some sort of lexical analyzer
21 01:34:00 andy753421 i'm sure that's what people do
21 01:34:00 octavious some crazy complicated system of lexical definitions...use yacc or bison to optimize the parsing
21 01:35:00 andy753421 yacc and bison are probably slow though, since they're only designed to be run once per compile
21 01:36:00 andy753421 and you want something that can start rendering as the page loads
21 01:36:00 octavious yeah. and JS would be interesting, especially considering the extent that it is used w/ Web 2.0
21 01:37:00 andy753421 yea.. i think CSS might be the hardest though
21 01:37:00 andy753421 JS would just be implementing a programing language, although you'd have to make it fast
21 01:37:00 andy753421 there's plenty of literature on implementing scripting languages
21 01:39:00 andy753421 there's lots of open source pieces for that stuff tough, SpiderMonkey and Tamarin from mozilla, do javascript, and there's tones of XML parsers
21 01:42:00 auchter quite lively in here tonight i see
21 01:42:00 octavious heh, it just started with me whining about firefox :#rhlug : 11/21/07 06:42 <andy753421> and me going on about rendering engines ;)
21 01:42:00 auchter yeah, i used opera for the entirely of last year
21 01:42:00 auchter it's amazingly fast, though sadly not open source
21 01:43:00 andy753421 i wonder if they'll ever end up open sourcing it
21 01:44:00 auchter one would hope. although it does use qt, which i'm not a huge fan of
21 01:45:00 andy753421 yea, i wouldn't want the whole browser, but i don't know how important Qt is to rendering engine
21 01:45:00 octavious i attended a qt tutorial presentation this summer, its interesting how qt code is written
21 01:45:00 auchter of course, if you want a good project, take dillo and make it support CSS
21 01:45:00 octavious its kind of a hybrid c++, that is run through a qt parser before combiled through g++
21 01:46:00 auchter ah, cool
21 01:46:00 octavious compiled*
21 01:46:00 andy753421 octavious: that's wierd.. what's the advantage to doing that?
21 01:47:00 octavious i think what it does is abstracts the behavior of qt's event handling mechanisms
21 01:47:00 octavious object-to-object communication
21 01:48:00 andy753421 ah, yea i remember watching a video of some guy doing something with Qt Designer once, something about drawing arrows between buttons or something
21 01:48:00 octavious qt is also released under like 4 different licenses
21 01:51:00 octavious http://sector.ynet.sk/qt4-tutorial/
21 01:51:00 octavious look at that page...notice anything?
21 01:51:00 octavious maybe out of place?
21 01:51:00 andy753421 the WTC stuff?
21 01:52:00 octavious yeah
21 01:54:00 auchter haha, wow.
21 01:54:00 auchter truthers are hilarious.
21 02:02:00 octavious so obama snorted cocaine...interesting
21 02:02:00 crr so did everyone else
21 02:02:00 crr btw hi
21 02:03:00 auchter at least he admits it
21 02:03:00 octavious yeah
21 02:03:00 octavious i cant imagine what sorts of drugs hillary is constantly high on
21 02:04:00 octavious well, maybe obama is trying to get the druggie vote ahha
21 02:04:00 auchter paul and kucinich have that tied up already
21 02:05:00 octavious true.
21 02:05:00 crr it would take some serious drugs to get me in a state where I could deal with politics first-hand
21 02:09:00 auchter so, i'm having fun with this circular scrolling that the synaptic driver supports
21 02:10:00 crr how does it work?
21 02:11:00 octavious is tuxonice just a renaming of the old suspend2, or a rework of the codebase?
21 02:11:00 andy753421 draw circles on your mouse pad and it scrolls :)
21 02:11:00 auchter crr: you know the ipod type scrolling? it pretty much implements that
21 02:11:00 crr neat
21 02:22:00 auchter ok, i'm reinstalling linux tomorrow (maybe). i'm currently running gentoo and pretty much like everything about it. how
21 02:22:00 auchter now's the time to pitch your favorite distro and convince me
21 02:22:00 auchter (and no, i will not install plan 9.)
21 02:23:00 andy753421 :(
21 02:23:00 crr what's your motivation for reinstalling / not using gentoo again?
21 02:24:00 auchter motivation for reinstalling is that it seems like the right thing to do
21 02:24:00 auchter i'm most likely going to stay with gentoo, since i can't really think of anything i don't like about it
21 02:25:00 crr okay, I hope everything works out
21 02:25:00 andy753421 LFS? Slackware?
21 02:25:00 auchter oh yeah, i completely forgot about LFS...
21 02:25:00 auchter that's a bit too time consuming for tomrrow, i think
21 02:26:00 octavious stay with gentoo.
21 02:26:00 octavious :)
21 02:26:00 auchter plus, portage has made me lazy
21 02:26:00 octavious i reinstalled not too long ago
21 02:26:00 octavious fumbled with LVM and reiser4
21 02:27:00 octavious although in retrospect i shouldnt have gone so crazy about my partition scheme
21 02:27:00 octavious it turns out having /etc on a seperate partition is a BITCH
21 02:27:00 auchter i'm probably going to stay with ext3, but i'm considering reiser3 for /home, since it's good with small files
21 02:28:00 andy753421 i've been using reiser3, seems more stable to me.. i think i've just had some bad experiences with ext3 though
21 02:28:00 andy753421 how's reiser4?
21 02:28:00 auchter i used to use reiser3, but switched to ext3 for some reason
21 02:28:00 octavious no complaints yet. i use it every day
21 02:28:00 octavious i havent done any benchmarking, but it feels responsive
21 02:29:00 octavious although i know saying that doesnt mean anything
21 02:29:00 auchter anyone here use truecrypt under linux?
21 02:29:00 octavious no, but i am always interested in setting up an encrypted partition somehow...
21 02:30:00 auchter i used to use encfs, which was pretty good
21 02:30:00 auchter and i believe it can be integrated with PAM as well
21 02:30:00 octavious there is also cryptoloop and the like
21 02:30:00 andy753421 is there anything where you can just specify encrypted folders?
21 02:30:00 auchter but i remember reading about some potential vulnerabilities in encfs
21 02:31:00 auchter encfs encrypts folders
21 02:33:00 andy753421 hmm. reiser4 does encryption?
21 02:33:00 octavious well i know its designed with an extensible plugin mechanism
21 02:33:00 auchter according to wikipedia
21 02:33:00 octavious encryption might be one available plugin, although i am unsure about usability/stability
21 03:06:00 auchter well, i think i'm going to start the install now
21 03:10:00 octavious good luck to you, heh
21 03:10:00 octavious luckily the gentoo livecd includes irssi :)
21 03:11:00 auchter actually, i run irssi on a box at rose
21 03:11:00 auchter so, i just reattached my screen session from another computer, and here i am
21 03:12:00 octavious ahh, i see. are you in clarkston?
21 03:12:00 auchter yeah
21 03:12:00 octavious god damn its boring around here.
21 03:12:00 auchter not really, had quite a good day today
21 03:12:00 octavious yeah? do something exciting?
21 03:13:00 auchter went to ypsilanti, had great coffee, saw a good jazz show, went out for dim sum with a few people at midnight, etc.
21 03:13:00 auchter much better than a tipical weeknight in terre haute
21 03:14:00 octavious cool
21 03:18:00 tommost I'm going to chime in on a conversation that happened an hour ago, okay? ;-)
21 03:18:00 tommost Andy, octavious: if you want to learn about parsing HTML, check out the WHATWG's spec on how to do so <http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#parsing>. It's horrific.
21 03:19:00 tommost And yes, Gecko is rather crufty, e.g., <http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2007/10/if_i_did_it.html>.
21 03:20:00 tommost WebKit rendering is a bit simpler to get a hold of: <http://webkit.org/blog/114/webcore-rendering-i-the-basics/>
21 03:28:00 auchter i had forgotten how nice gentoo is to install
21 03:29:00 auchter so much better than fedora *shudder*
21 03:32:00 octavious tommost: interesting reads. thanks.
21 03:35:00 auchter gah, no vim after chrooting
21 03:35:00 auchter who decided that?
21 03:36:00 octavious i dont know, but it pisses me off too.
21 03:36:00 octavious busybox vi?
21 03:36:00 octavious :#rhlug : 11/21/07 08:36 <auchter> i don't even think it has vi or even ed
21 03:42:00 octavious heh, thats why i dont do much editting within the chroot
21 03:42:00 auchter yeah, but it just seems strange that they would include nano, but not vi
21 03:44:00 andy753421 yea, gentoo's obsessed with nano, i guess it makes sense from the standpoint of choice, nano's the simplest so they include that and let you choose what you want to install afterwards
21 03:58:00 auchter and of course, i forget to install a dhcp client before i reboot.
21 04:09:00 octavious woops.
21 04:11:00 andy753421 heh, USE="static" emerge busybox
21 04:15:00 auchter meh, i've already rebooted and installed vim, so life is good
21 04:15:00 auchter now to sleep while this compiles
21 04:18:00 andy753421 anyone done any programming with Fuse or linux filesystems?
21 04:19:00 andy753421 or know if it's possible to read/edit directories as files?
21 04:41:00 octavious andy753421: i think the kernel's VFS defines a file and a directory as a completely seperate thing
21 04:41:00 octavious defined as being seperate entities
21 04:55:00 andy753421 alright, i'll probably look into it more sometime later
21 12:32:00 auchter i'm not a KDE fan at all, but KDE4 looks really nice
21 12:33:00 andy753422 screenshots, or did you install it?
21 12:33:00 auchter screenshots
21 12:33:00 andy753422 where at?
21 12:33:00 auchter http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Kdebeta2_plasma.png
21 15:15:00 auchter i think i finally found a window manager i like better than pekwm: dwm
21 16:24:00 octavious dwm a tiling manager?
21 16:27:00 auchter yes, but it also supports floating windows as well
21 16:27:00 auchter but i'm using it as a tiling wm
21 16:28:00 octavious i think i've used it. it was a precursor to wmii, right? basically wmii without all of its scripting support
21 16:28:00 andy753421 postcursor actually
21 16:28:00 auchter yeah, he describes it as wmii's "little brother"
21 16:28:00 andy753421 but yea, it's simmilar to wmii but much simpler
21 16:29:00 andy753421 doesn't it have a much more rigid layout though? like a forced left and right column?
21 16:29:00 auchter yeah, that's one option, but there are patches available to change the layouts
21 16:29:00 auchter i'm using a grid layout, which is how i normally arrange my windows
21 16:31:00 auchter andy753421: have you ever done anything interesting with plan9port's plumber?
21 16:31:00 andy753421 auchter: not to much
21 16:32:00 andy753421 i've looked into it and the syntax for files a little but never implemented or use it much
21 16:37:00 andy753421 auchter: I don't think it'd really be all that powerful unless you could get more applications to support it
21 16:38:00 andy753421 like if firefox/pidgin/thunderbird all just sent stuff to the plumber it would be amazing, but they don't, and adding that in would probably suck
21 16:38:00 auchter firefox would be the main thing for me
22 04:15:00 andy753421 anyone know much about setting up routers to work on Rose's network?
22 14:46:00 Zeta_RHIT what do you mean, andy?
22 14:46:00 Zeta_RHIT if you're up O.o
22 15:05:00 auchter ah, nothing like IRC on thanksgiving
22 15:09:00 Zeta_RHIT of course
22 15:09:00 Zeta_RHIT sees them all as made up holidays anyways :P
22 15:10:00 auchter indeed, but on this particular made up holiday, i get good dessert
22 15:13:00 Zeta_RHIT heh
22 15:13:00 Zeta_RHIT yeah
22 15:13:00 Zeta_RHIT http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16133&cat=0&page=1&featured
22 15:14:00 Zeta_RHIT now that running uClinux would be fun
22 15:15:00 Zeta_RHIT oh wait
22 15:15:00 Zeta_RHIT it comes loaded with it
22 15:15:00 Zeta_RHIT holy crap cool
22 15:50:00 auchter looks cool
22 15:51:00 auchter i've got one of these: http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7400-spec-h.htm
22 15:51:00 auchter a bit cheaper than that one, and it has ethernet
22 18:39:00 andy753421 oh, i was trying to set up the router so that I would get IP addresses from Rose-Hulman instead of from the router. Apparently I had to plug to-rose the cable into a normal port instead of the uplink/wan port.
22 18:50:00 auchter yeah, i never got the uplink port to work for that, i just used it as a normal switch
23 00:32:00 octavious interesting open source program: engauge digitizer
23 00:33:00 octavious takes images of graphs (scanned or ripped from webpages, or from wherever..)
23 00:33:00 octavious and converts them into numbers..
23 00:33:00 octavious well, a spreadsheet of numbers
23 00:33:00 octavious i could see how that would be useful
23 00:35:00 auchter wow, that is pretty cool
23 00:36:00 auchter although i can't think of many instances where i would use that
23 00:36:00 octavious i guess it would be meaningful if you used a scanner often
23 00:36:00 andy753421 hehe, i like their 'applications' page
23 00:36:00 octavious it also, now that i think about it, would not be difficult to write..
23 00:38:00 andy753421 so, anyone up for writing a GTK+ DyKnow client?
23 00:38:00 octavious have been for awhile..
23 00:39:00 octavious that would be an interesting project...reverse engineer dyknow protocol?
23 00:39:00 octavious its probably just SOAP.
23 00:39:00 andy753421 yea, i looked at some ethereal dumps a while back
23 00:39:00 andy753421 it's all over HTTP, and XML but i don't know much else
23 00:40:00 octavious need some pretty comprehensive dumps
23 00:40:00 andy753421 yea, i looked like all the drawing commands and such were in binary or something
23 00:40:00 andy753421 like <draw>12349843089561832471982375098734089561234</draw> or something
23 00:40:00 octavious hmm, interesting...
23 00:41:00 andy753421 probably a list of points.. but the DyKnow server seems to be down so i can't experiment
23 00:41:00 octavious i would definitely be interested. but i know i say that about a lot of things but I just dont have much time :#rhlug : 11/23/07 05:41 <octavious> power outage?
23 00:41:00 andy753421 (it's dyknow.cs.rose-hulman.edu right? the whole cs.rose-hulman.edu seems borked)
23 00:41:00 octavious when is the power down on campus?
23 00:42:00 andy753421 tomorrow i think, but i think skinner's not included
23 00:42:00 octavious i am in a section of merkle's computer security class
23 00:42:00 octavious got an email about him
23 00:42:00 octavious dyknow.cs.rose-hulman.edu
23 00:42:00 andy753421 yea, i got one for theory of comp
23 00:43:00 andy753421 and i figured i might play with DyKnow instead of pay attention..
23 00:43:00 andy753421 depends on how hard the stuff is
23 00:44:00 andy753421 it'd be interesting to talk to the DyKnow people and see if they'd mind if we released it, or if they'd give us any information, since they give away the client free anyway
23 00:46:00 auchter apparently they've got some patents on it
23 00:47:00 andy753421 auchter: where'd you see that?
23 00:48:00 auchter http://www.dyknow.com/news/releases/patent-june07.htm
23 00:48:00 andy753421 :/
23 00:49:00 octavious it seems like there should be software packages that do similar things in the open source realm..
23 00:50:00 auchter as far as using dyknow for presentations and such, i'd much prefer to just get ps/pdf files of the slides instead
23 00:51:00 auchter using dyknow for student feedback, it seems like there should be other options
23 00:51:00 andy753421 yea, like, speech and stuff :)
23 00:52:00 octavious ha, whenever its used in class...does anyone really use it?...
23 00:52:00 octavious i mean, i never see anyone writing on it
23 00:52:00 auchter i saw some people in comparch using it, but i never did
23 00:52:00 andy753421 yea, i don't think people do the feedback stuff much
23 00:53:00 andy753421 although, i guess the idea would be nicer than using whiteboard though, since you could review it because all the notes the professor writes are saved
23 00:53:00 auchter or the notes could just be typed up beforehand,which would be easier than deciphering the profs handwriting
23 00:53:00 auchter and searchable, as well
23 00:53:00 octavious i dont really know of anyone that does that....
23 00:54:00 octavious i would review the slides, but not the comments
23 00:54:00 auchter http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%227003728+B2%22&OS=%227003728+B2%22&RS=%227003728+B2%22
23 00:54:00 auchter that's one of their patents
23 00:54:00 auchter with the incredibly vague title: "System for knowledge transfer in a group setting"
23 00:55:00 andy753421 damn, they patented communication, we had better stop talking..
23 00:57:00 octavious i love patent ambiguity
23 00:58:00 andy753421 yea.. but there's an awful lot of text there..
23 00:58:00 auchter we should just start an anti-dyknow petition and be done with it
23 01:00:00 octavious well given that it was written with .NET, most network communication is abstracted using SOAP/XML..i know open source libraries exist, i bet it would not be that difficult to reverse engineer
23 01:01:00 andy753421 have you ever done anything with SOAP? i've only just heard the name
23 01:02:00 auchter i use it every so often to wash my hands and such, but that's the extent of my knowledge
23 01:03:00 octavious andy753421: yeah, at ventures awhile back, one of the projects i worked on used SOAP for communication
23 01:22:00 Zeta_RHIT returns
23 01:25:00 Zeta_RHIT See, reverse engineering dyknow, while useful, gives dyknow the credibility it needs to stay around :(
23 01:25:00 Zeta_RHIT dyknow needs to die
23 01:28:00 octavious i started reading Neal Stephensons Cryptonomicon
23 01:28:00 octavious its pretty good
23 01:28:00 auchter octavious: oh yes.
23 01:29:00 auchter that book is still my favorite
23 01:29:00 octavious i tried reading it a while back, and for some reason stopped
23 01:29:00 octavious but since i had some time over this break, i picked it up at the bookstore with intentions of reading it through
23 01:30:00 auchter i like stephenson because he doesn't completely botch the technical aspects like some other authors
23 01:31:00 octavious yeah, he definately does his research on all sorts of topics..
23 01:31:00 auchter plus, there's even some perl in it
23 01:31:00 octavious history especially
23 01:31:00 octavious i like alan turings "outrageous proposition involving penises..."
23 01:32:00 auchter haha, yeah, stephenson comes up with great ways of saying things
23 01:32:00 octavious he is very good at wording things
23 01:32:00 octavious i read a book on turing. that guy is crazy
23 01:32:00 auchter i need to read some more, haven't had the chance to lately
23 01:33:00 auchter i read The Crying of Lot 49 this summer
23 01:33:00 auchter which is where WASTE comes from, of course
23 01:34:00 octavious ahh...this summer i read a TON of stuff by philip k dick
23 01:36:00 auchter hmm. reading his overview on wikipedia... sounds like something i would like
23 01:37:00 octavious amazing author...all of his books involve twisting realities..
23 01:38:00 octavious blade runner, minority report, a scanner darkly, paycheck...
23 01:38:00 auchter well, i've seen movies of the first two
23 01:47:00 octavious so i am trying dwm again
23 01:48:00 octavious this time, making some modifications..wmii is starting to bother me
23 01:48:00 andy753421 octavious: just curious, how so?
23 01:49:00 octavious well for some reason certain window decorations arent being drawn
23 01:56:00 octavious and its a bitch to mess with the wmiirc script (imo)
23 01:57:00 andy753421 octavious: eh, it's just a bash script :)
23 01:58:00 auchter dwm has completely converted me from pekwm
23 02:01:00 octavious andy753421: i dont see much difference in the max/stack modes of wmii
23 02:01:00 octavious not enough of a difference to differentiate them
23 02:02:00 andy753421 yea, i never use max..
23 02:06:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~auchtemm/files/2007-11-23-065945_1920x1200_scrot.png
23 02:06:00 auchter by far the best looking/most functional desktop i've ever had
23 02:08:00 octavious heh, that looks almost my like desktop
23 02:08:00 octavious with the right/left split.
23 02:08:00 auchter you know, i didn't like that initally, but now i do
23 02:08:00 octavious except on the right is irc/mutt/finch and occasionally nrss
23 02:08:00 octavious and on the left i have extra terminals, firefox, etc
23 02:09:00 auchter ah, i spread all that out across virtual desktops
23 02:09:00 auchter or tags, as it were
23 02:11:00 auchter the tenth tag is incredibly useful. i don't know if wmii has this as well, but it puts all the contents of your other desktops all onto one
23 03:36:00 octavious have you guys heard of MuPAD?
23 03:37:00 octavious another alternative CAS
23 07:34:00 andy753421 anyone ever experimented with alternate init systems? initng, einit, upstart, etc?
23 12:41:00 auchter andy753421: when i used CRUX i used initng, but i haven't used that since switching to gentoo
23 17:21:00 octavious trying to learn dvorak
23 17:21:00 octavious see how difficult it is
23 17:29:00 auchter i tried it out last year, i couldn't get used to it
23 17:31:00 andy753421 i liked it, except it's impossible to use Vim
23 17:32:00 auchter i thought there were new keymaps available for vim using dvorak
23 17:33:00 andy753421 there are, and I made my own as well, but it's still hard to use
23 17:33:00 andy753421 and there's some keys that can't be remapped and stuff
23 17:34:00 auchter ah, i didn't know that
23 17:35:00 andy753421 like, CTRL-I is tab, and CTRL-[ is escape, etc
23 17:36:00 andy753421 i remember that being a problem some how
23 17:37:00 andy753421 and CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are terminal control keys..
23 17:38:00 auchter yeah, so i've been having troubles with vmware-server since reinstalling
23 17:38:00 auchter it just hangs whenever i try to login for some reason
23 17:38:00 andy753421 use Qemu!
23 17:39:00 auchter i might, since the reason i started using vmware is the ease of use
23 17:39:00 auchter and it's proving to not be easy any more
23 17:39:00 andy753421 hey, you have a good processor, why don't you try KVM or something?
23 17:40:00 auchter well yeah, qemu supports that
23 17:44:00 auchter andy753421: are you using qemu?
23 17:59:00 andy753421 yea
23 17:59:00 andy753421 but only with kqemu, not kvm
23 18:00:00 auchter did you build it with gcc3?
23 18:01:00 andy753421 I don't remember
23 18:01:00 andy753421 do you know of any way to tell?
23 18:01:00 auchter not really, but i think it's the only way to do it
23 18:01:00 andy753421 yea, i remember dealing with that at one point, but I wasn't sure if it was required anymore
23 18:17:00 octavious andy753421: i am curious about alternate init daemons, have you had any luck? any drastic startup performance increases?
23 18:19:00 andy753421 I used initng during freshman year, but back then it didn't work very well
23 18:20:00 andy753421 it sped things up a bit, but had problems and was incompatible with afs for some reason..
23 20:05:00 auchter well, kvm is not working very well. qemu works fine, but kvm crashes...
24 09:58:00 andy753421 anyone know anything similar to wireshark that runs from a terminal? (preferable curses based?)
24 22:36:00 octavious pretty quiet in here
24 22:36:00 andy753421 yep, people heading back to school maybe?
24 22:44:00 octavious maybe
24 22:44:00 auchter indeed. i should probably be packing
24 22:51:00 auchter so, has anyone used GmailFS?
24 22:51:00 andy753421 nope, never really had a need for it
24 22:52:00 auchter i was thinking about registering another account and using it for backups (encrypted, of course) of my home directory
24 22:52:00 auchter 5203MB should be more than enough
24 23:04:00 octavious well, after a few days i am still sticking with dvorak
24 23:04:00 andy753421 octavious: have you had to code anything in the last few days?
24 23:05:00 octavious no
24 23:06:00 octavious spent alot of time with gtypist
24 23:07:00 octavious at like 15-20 wpm... which is pretty pathetic
24 23:39:00 auchter octavious: did you rearrange/relabel the keys on your keyboard?
24 23:42:00 auchter this gtypist program is pretty neat actually
24 23:48:00 octavious n
24 23:50:00 octavious no. the h, g and b keys are notched
24 23:51:00 octavious and other keys dont fit in their place
25 19:34:00 auchter anyone have an OS book they want to get rid of?
25 19:35:00 andy753421 there was an OS book?
25 19:58:00 auchter yeah, though i can no longer find the csse332 pagethat says what it is
25 21:43:00 auchter oh yeah, an in response to your question about wireshark-esque tools, how about tcpdump?
25 22:11:00 andy753421 auchter: interesting, i didn't realize that tcpdump did that much packet decoding. I also realized that there's a 'tshark' that comes with wireshark and works similar to tcpdump
25 22:12:00 auchter ah, cool, didn't know about tshark
25 22:12:00 andy753421 it's nice, it'd still be nice to have a curses based thing though, but oh well
25 22:14:00 auchter there really should be curses based everything
26 17:28:00 andy753421 Anyone ever setup bandwidth limiting on a router?
26 17:30:00 auchter only with pf on openbsd
26 18:02:00 andy753421 speaking of which, "40% of OpenBSD installs lead to shark attacks. It's their only standing security issue."
26 18:26:00 auchter that's pretty much how my first openbsd install attempt went, so i got quite a kick out of that last night
26 18:26:00 auchter once you get past the disk-slices stuff, the install's easier than ubuntu
27 12:48:00 andy753421 so DyKnow doesn't seem to use SOAP
27 12:48:00 andy753421 <DYKNOW RET="0" MID="1100236" STS="True"></DYKNOW>
27 12:55:00 andy753421 interesting.. http://dyknow.cs.rose-hulman.edu/MyDyKnow/MyDyKnow_Classes.aspx?n=2f2ccc5a-20ce-48b5-83b7-ff1a3fb9359d&u=2&cv=cc&m=False&ce=True
27 13:04:00 octavious hmm
27 13:07:00 octavious that is interesting
27 13:07:00 andy753421 <PEN UT="1" PW="748" PH="561" UID="fb247763-adf4-4b2d-8af9-f8b3aa407ef9" DATA="base64:AOsCHAOAgAQdA/oBTgMJSBBFJ1cNAAAABQE4GSAyCQCYgwMBxsMeRTMJAIyjAgGUwx5FOAgA/gMAAACAfxIN84s/g5yLPwqlAvUBg/4Yxv4YxwBrcxz5eTrM3a1zMuK523PG0XWMYxBnfGebKWKisRHKMRqKpREymZmMVhqopVrhNTUxFImERIqGIqaxWIjGKUlUzCI0jEcIVFCpxmEpuRGJqW7nnd7ibRMSq26uZm5lcZrdcY2ymUXnG13mt9o5eACD/InfkTwB4/jeD4Hj+N5fCburJi8E6mIThnUzQhqdRRUpXK02i4iZoIYVWmIhEpiJiMXATMyzFwTOLTUxcZhcrRNRNJi7i7hdIUli0
27 13:07:00 andy753421 eew
27 13:10:00 octavious base64 = easy
27 13:11:00 andy753421 yea, but then you have a nasty binary stream :)
27 13:12:00 octavious i see this
27 13:12:00 octavious :#rhlug : 11/27/07 18:13 <octavious> coordinates?
27 13:14:00 andy753421 that'd be my guess, but im not sure how to decode them
27 13:32:00 tommost What's going on with the chat.rhitrobotics.org server?
27 15:28:00 andy753421 hey mike, fyi, they're having another diglent design competition,
27 15:30:00 auchter andy753421: yeah, i saw that email... quite excited about it
27 15:36:00 octavious got some good ideas?
27 15:50:00 auchter octavious: yeah, i've been wanting to make a FLAC decoder
27 16:00:00 octavious sounds pretty neat
27 16:01:00 auchter should be fun indeed
27 16:01:00 auchter so apparently archana is planning on having the OS class install linux towards the middle of the quarter, oddly enough
27 16:04:00 octavious are you going to to implement the decoder using softcore procs?
27 16:05:00 octavious like maybe nano- or pico-blaze
27 16:30:00 Zeta_RHIT sweet, more digilent peoples
27 16:31:00 Zeta_RHIT Povilus and I are going to be working on a mixer :)
28 00:21:00 auchter so, i think i'm going to bring another computer here and install plan9 on it
28 00:24:00 andy753421 whoo
28 00:24:00 auchter i've been fooling around with acme a bit and really like it
28 00:25:00 auchter but i feel it'd be better with an actual mouse, and with other things working as well, such as plumbing
28 00:36:00 crr but they make such great jet-powered boots!
28 00:38:00 auchter haha, luckily acme doesn't run like its fictional counterpart
28 00:44:00 auchter so, is jp going to be giving the presentation on LaTeX this week?
28 00:45:00 andy753421 auchter: I believe so, I should make sure though
28 01:14:00 auchter this octane is much snappier with dwm instead of 4dwm
28 15:00:00 auchter andy753421: mcleish is done
28 15:00:00 andy753421 ok
28 16:23:00 andy753421 auchter: did you get an ubuntu CD?
28 16:28:00 auchter i forgot about that. i can download one now, but i'm off-campus
28 16:29:00 andy753421 let me go ask delvin if he has a copy for his laptop
28 21:47:00 auchter so, i was talking to curt today, and he was suprised that public key login works for addiator
28 21:48:00 auchter i told him to look at the wiki, although i seem to remember having to do something that wasn't on there...
28 21:49:00 andy753421 yea, he stopped by and asked me about that
28 21:49:00 andy753421 he said someone in 230 has mentioned that I knew how to do that
28 21:50:00 andy753421 but yea, i sent him a link to the wiki as well
28 22:01:00 auchter i was thinking about making a section of HOWTOs
28 22:02:00 auchter perhaps that could be one
29 00:28:00 Blazeix Have we decided on a time for the installfest?
29 00:30:00 auchter not sure, i had actually forgotten all about it
29 00:31:00 auchter i know that archana said that she wants to do linux installs for OS in a few weeks, though
29 00:31:00 Blazeix We originally said we were going to do it this friday and on 12/04
29 00:32:00 Blazeix I was sitting down to send an all-campus email about it, when I realized I didn't know anything about the timing
29 00:32:00 auchter yeah, i'm not sure either, maybe we'll talk about it at the meeting tomorrow
29 00:32:00 andy753421 we should probably talk to archana/delvin first and see when they want OS people to do it
29 00:32:00 Blazeix I'm not sure what defoe has been telling his students about it
29 00:33:00 andy753421 it might be worth pushing it back a week so we can figure things out a little more ahead of time
29 00:34:00 andy753421 i don't know though, personally i'd rather have it soon
29 00:34:00 Blazeix I agree with pushing it back a week, or at least a few days. Want me to send an email to archana & defoe about it?
29 00:34:00 andy753421 sure
29 00:35:00 Blazeix I'll ask them if they would want to come to the LUG tomorrow and talk about it more in depth.
29 00:38:00 andy753421 I talked to delvin today and apparently they are [trying] to reformat the install guide to be more 'csse' looking (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/resources/Ubuntu/index.html)
29 00:39:00 Blazeix wow, that's looking good.
29 00:39:00 andy753421 i was a bit annoyed because they made some changes but didn't put then on the wiki at all
29 00:40:00 andy753421 so i think i'm going to try to merge some of their changes back into the wiki and then get them to just update the wiki from now on
29 00:40:00 andy753421 then they can copy/paste it all and change a stylesheet or something
29 00:41:00 auchter yeah, they definitely should have at least merged the changes to the wiki
29 00:43:00 auchter personally i find the wiki version much easier to read
29 00:44:00 Blazeix yeah, I see that tom made some changes to the wiki guide recently. Are those the changes that profs made?
29 00:44:00 andy753421 there's some things I like about both. I like the boxes on the wiki version (probably because I made them..) but I wish mediawiki would put more space between paragraphs
29 00:44:00 auchter the boxes definitely improve readability
29 00:45:00 andy753421 I'm not sure, It looks like all toms changes were small things, but I'm not sure what they profs all changes since I haven't read though or compared them much yet
29 00:46:00 Blazeix The Redbox convention description says it applies to Freshman and Junior laptops. That should be freshman and sophomore laptops, right?
29 00:46:00 auchter Blazeix: no, freshman and sophomore laptops are essentially the same
29 00:47:00 auchter the junior laptops, on the other hand...
29 00:47:00 auchter although it seems that all the red boxes are referencing the nw8440
29 00:48:00 andy753421 yea, i just used that as an example, i don't think there would be anything particular to freshman and junior and not sophomore, but i suppose it's possible
29 00:50:00 andy753421 oh, apparently delvin wants them to partition manually as well
29 00:50:00 andy753421 so we should put some version of that back in instead of as a seperate page
29 00:50:00 Blazeix andy753421, do you mind if I make the red box description more clear? I read that as users only need to read the red box if they are Freshman or Junior s
29 00:51:00 andy753421 Blazeix: go ahead, change anything you want, dont feel like you need to ask me
29 00:51:00 andy753421 I change the stuff everyone else writes, so I expect other to do the same to me :)
29 00:53:00 andy753421 on wikipedia and stuff I think it's more important to talk about and discuss things, but our wiki is so small I think it's more useful to just changes things as much as you like
29 00:56:00 andy753421 ba hahaha (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/class/csse/resources/) someone didn't convert their unicode correctly
29 00:56:00 auchter i like the all-caps on LINUX
29 00:57:00 auchter cruise control for cool indeed
29 00:57:00 tommost Heh, and they're closing the link tag in an HTML document.
29 00:57:00 auchter i wasn't aware that you weren't supposed to do that
29 00:58:00 Blazeix speaking of the rose website, take a look at a phpinfo page: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mrozekma/phpinfo.php
29 00:58:00 andy753421 yea.. it's allowed i think, but no reason to
29 00:58:00 Blazeix If you go to apache 2.0 environment and look at the user, it says root.
29 00:58:00 auchter i don't know, i cringe at open tags
29 00:58:00 Blazeix does that mean they're running apache as root?
29 00:58:00 auchter good job IAIT.
29 00:59:00 tommost The link tag is self-closing.
29 00:59:00 andy753421 Blazeix: more likely, but they still have everything disabled on user directories
29 00:59:00 tommost It's like <img>
29 00:59:00 auchter apparently the server was down earlier today
29 00:59:00 Blazeix yeah, they're running php safe mode, so its slightly better I guess
29 00:59:00 tommost I've had some trouble using the header() function from PHP. Does it work for anyone else?
29 00:59:00 tommost In particular, I can't set the content-type.
29 01:00:00 tommost And IAIT keeps sending the wrong charset.
29 01:00:00 tommost See http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/header-test.php
29 01:04:00 octavious tommost: i got your email about the rideboard for RHA
29 01:05:00 andy753421 tommost: works for me http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~spenceal/test.php[s]
29 01:05:00 tommost Weird.
29 01:05:00 octavious did we get confirmed that JP is presenting tommorow?
29 01:06:00 andy753421 tommost: use 'header("Content-Type: text/plain");' instead of separate parameters
29 01:06:00 tommost Ah. Thanks.
29 01:06:00 Blazeix octavious: I haven't heard anything
29 01:08:00 octavious we discussed before the break having a presentation on LaTeX
29 01:08:00 andy753421 yea, I stopped by JP's office today and made sure
29 01:09:00 octavious cool
29 01:09:00 andy753421 he's probably going to be a bit late though, he has a meeting or something until 5:30
29 01:15:00 Blazeix That might actually work out well. If defoe and chidanandan can make the meeting, we can discuss the installfest with them first and they won't have to wait through a presentation.
29 01:38:00 octavious anyone ever used ng-spice?
29 15:01:00 octavious grr iait
29 15:02:00 octavious i have asked them many times to add a dns entry for the subway cam
29 15:02:00 octavious and each time they say they did...but it has never resolved
29 15:03:00 auchter hmm, didn't even know there was a subway cam
29 15:03:00 octavious yea...well it is not up right now
29 15:03:00 auchter i know of clockcam, now i'm wondering what other cameras are on campus
29 15:04:00 auchter iait never responded to my request to get public key login working on dfs.rose-hulman.edu either
29 15:05:00 auchter it's absolutely absurd to expect people to type in passwords for that stuff
29 15:05:00 octavious hmm...didnt you say it worked on addiator
29 15:06:00 auchter yeah, it does, but the dfs server uses some crazy propreitary SSH server
29 15:06:00 auchter and it expects public keys to be in a different place, which IAIT hasn't created
29 15:10:00 octavious when you use public key encryption w/ addiator, i assume you cant access your AFS share
29 15:11:00 octavious not without a pw at least
29 15:11:00 auchter yeah, you need to enter in a password
29 15:11:00 auchter i'm thinking about writing a script to login to addiator once every (x) hours and renew my tickets
29 15:13:00 octavious not a bad idea
29 15:16:00 auchter #!/bin/bash
29 15:16:00 auchter while true; do kinit -R aklog sleep 18000
29 15:16:00 auchter done
29 15:16:00 auchter problem solved.
29 15:16:00 auchter heh, line breaks didn't come through, oh well.
29 19:56:00 zumbrujm hey guys
29 19:57:00 andy753421 yo, just curious, who are you?
29 19:57:00 zumbrujm John Zumbrum
29 19:57:00 zumbrujm i'm trying to get compiz to work
29 19:57:00 andy753421 ah, that would make sense
29 19:57:00 andy753421 zumbrujm: on Ubuntu?
29 19:57:00 zumbrujm yup
29 19:57:00 andy753421 7.10?
29 19:58:00 zumbrujm yes
29 19:58:00 zumbrujm got this error
29 19:58:00 zumbrujm bash: ati-driver-installer-8.42.3-x86.x86_64.run: No such file or directory
29 19:58:00 zumbrujm following the directions on the wiki
29 19:58:00 andy753421 hmm.. you've checked the box for restricted repositories?
29 19:59:00 andy753421 I'm sorry, i don't have a new laptop so I probably won't be much help
29 19:59:00 andy753421 you installed 64 bit ubuntu?
29 19:59:00 zumbrujm i followed the install guide on the wiki
29 20:00:00 zumbrujm which said to use the Rose servers in order to get to the repositories
29 20:00:00 zumbrujm I was using them
29 20:00:00 andy753421 oh, that's right
29 20:00:00 zumbrujm I will revert back to see if it works the other way
29 20:00:00 andy753421 uncheck the one for restricted drivers but you can leave the rest on rose servers i believe
29 20:01:00 zumbrujm still gives the same error
29 20:01:00 andy753421 er. check the one for normal restricted repositories, but uncheck the rose one
29 20:01:00 andy753421 did you do a reload?
29 20:01:00 zumbrujm yes
29 20:01:00 andy753421 hmm..
29 20:02:00 zumbrujm what is bash?
29 20:02:00 andy753421 it's the shell, its what you type into to run commands
29 20:03:00 andy753421 but it can also be used as a scripting language
29 20:03:00 zumbrujm hm
29 20:03:00 zumbrujm so because I"m not using apt-get wouldn't these files have to be stored locally?
29 20:03:00 andy753421 you used the 64 bit ubuntu cd?
29 20:04:00 zumbrujm not sure
29 20:05:00 andy753421 ok, are you using the GUI package manager?
29 20:05:00 zumbrujm tandard personal computer (x86 architecture, PentiumTM, CeleronTM, AthlonTM, SempronTM
29 20:05:00 zumbrujm that one
29 20:05:00 zumbrujm I use both the gui and the command line
29 20:07:00 andy753421 ok, try running 'uname -m' form the command line and see what it tells you
29 20:07:00 zumbrujm i686
29 20:08:00 andy753421 interesting, how did you go about trying to install the ATI drivers?
29 20:09:00 zumbrujm restricted drivers manager
29 20:10:00 zumbrujm following the install guide on the wiki
29 20:10:00 andy753421 Ok, it looks like for some reason it's trying to install the 64 bit graphics drivers when the rest of your system is using 32 bit stuff
29 20:11:00 zumbrujm hmm
29 20:11:00 zumbrujm that's odd
29 20:15:00 andy753421 zumbrujm: I don't really know of anything else to say, I would suggest asking again in #ubuntu
29 20:15:00 zumbrujm ij
29 20:15:00 zumbrujm thanks
29 20:15:00 auchter andy753421: it says 64 bit, but it has 32 bit drivers too
29 20:16:00 auchter that's just what ATi calls it
29 20:16:00 andy753421 auchter: does your .deb contain a 'ati-driver-installer-8.42.3-x86.x86_64.run' file?
29 20:17:00 auchter not sure what you mean by my ".deb", but that's the name of the file i used on my laptop
29 20:27:00 andy753421 debian downloads packages ind .deb format, which is a ar archive of two tarballs,
29 20:28:00 andy753421 and I was wondering if the .deb for the ati drivers even had the ati .bin included in it
29 20:46:00 Blazeix Hi, we never did talk about the actual time that we want to hold the installfest, did we?
29 20:46:00 Blazeix I imagine starting at 5:15 would be easiest
29 20:47:00 andy753421 Blazeix: no, i don't think we did, but that sounds good to me
29 20:49:00 Blazeix I can reply to chidanandan with the answers to her email (unless you already did). Did Josh say he would see about reserving the classrooms?
29 20:49:00 andy753421 I haven't said anything to her, and i don't know what josh said
29 20:50:00 Blazeix oh, just saw your email
29 21:24:00 andy753421 whoo, i finally got ruby on rails working with apache
29 22:07:00 povilus-desktop btw, the ssh mount in grub works
29 22:07:00 povilus-desktop er
29 22:07:00 povilus-desktop gnome
29 22:09:00 collinjc Awesome. That should probably be tossed into the wiki somehwere.
30 12:46:00 auchter realloc is being pretty evil right now
30 12:48:00 andy753421 so OOo has a item right under 'save as' in the file menu called 'save all'
30 12:48:00 andy753421 I'm not really sure what that means.. but it seems to break stuff
30 12:49:00 andy753421 auchter: how so?
30 12:50:00 auchter so, i've got this dynamic array of structs which i need to double in size. i did it in another program and it worked fine, but in this one it completely corrupts the data, so i'm doing something wrong
30 12:50:00 auchter inv = realloc(inv, *len * sizeof(struct Inventory)); // this scrambles and messes up data
30 13:09:00 andy753421 inv is from malloc? and '*len *sizeof(struct inventory)' == 2*previous_size?
30 13:09:00 andy753421 and why is len a pointer?
30 13:11:00 auchter andy753421: to your first question
30 13:11:00 auchter and your second, it's in this method: int PopulateArray(struct Inventory *inv, int *len, char *filename) {
30 13:12:00 auchter i meant to say yes to your first question
30 13:13:00 andy753421 ok, I would say makes sure inv is correct right before the realloc and that the sizes are all correct
30 13:13:00 andy753421 the realloc line should work correctly, is this on your SGI or something?
30 13:14:00 auchter nope, on my laptop. inv is correct before the realloc, it's alloc'ed to be 2*sizeof( struct Inventory )
30 13:15:00 andy753421 can you send me the code for it or something?
30 13:16:00 auchter yeah, i can do that in a bit, i'm going to head out now
30 13:17:00 andy753421 ok
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