16 18:58:00 andy753421 test
16 18:59:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/irc/ :)
16 19:00:00 andy753421 someone can probably make the script better and easier to read..
16 19:07:00 octavious cool
16 19:08:00 andy753421 I made a wiki page (http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Rhlug_%28IRC%29) as well
18 14:44:00 auchter so, what's going on in here?
18 14:44:00 andy753421 has anyone does a presentation for the meeting today?
18 14:44:00 auchter i'm guessing no, i don't think we talked about that last meeting
18 14:44:00 andy753421 ok, the minutes have josh down for a presentation on zsh
18 14:45:00 andy753421 not sure if he's done anything though
18 14:45:00 andy753421 anyway, if he hasn't i was planning to write a zsh cookbook for the presentation
18 14:45:00 andy753421 or at least as supplementary examples for it
18 14:45:00 auchter that was quite a while ago
18 14:45:00 auchter minutes weren't posted for the last meeting
18 14:45:00 andy753421 oh, ok
18 14:45:00 auchter he did a presentation on screen
18 14:46:00 andy753421 that's right
18 14:46:00 andy753421 so anyway, i guess i'll write a cookbook
18 14:46:00 andy753421 and you should help
18 14:46:00 andy753421 here's what I have so far:
18 14:46:00 andy753421 make some files:
18 14:46:00 andy753421 for i in 1 2 3 4 5; touch test$i.txt
18 14:46:00 andy753421 for i in `seq 1 5`; touch test$i.txt
18 14:46:00 andy753421 touch test{1,2,3,4,5}.txt
18 14:46:00 andy753421 touch test{1..5}.txt
18 14:46:00 andy753421 write to all files:
18 14:46:00 andy753421 for i in *; echo 'hi' >> $i
18 14:48:00 andy753421 write to all files ignoring directories:
18 14:48:00 andy753421 for i in *(.); echo 'hi' >> $i
18 14:48:00 andy753421 write to all files ignoring directories (recursively):
18 14:48:00 andy753421 for i in **/*(.); echo 'hi' >> $i
18 14:48:00 andy753421 do you know how to do those last three using xargs?
18 14:54:00 auchter nope, i've never done anything like that
18 19:50:00 povilus wazzzzzzz up
18 19:52:00 auchter apparently not a whole lot
18 19:54:00 andy753421 povilus: the normal force
18 19:59:00 andy753421 we should register this channel
18 20:01:00 auchter how do we go about doing that?
18 20:01:00 andy753421 we need to get everyone to leave
18 20:01:00 andy753421 so one of us can become an op
18 20:01:00 auchter alright
18 20:01:00 andy753421 then they can /msg chanserv register #rhlug
18 20:03:00 auchter i'm suprised that freenode keeps nick registrations as long as they do
18 20:03:00 andy753421 how long do they keep them without logging in?
18 20:03:00 auchter i hadn't been on freenode in at least a year and my nick was still registered
18 20:04:00 auchter apparently they clean them out like every 30 days or so, but they must have not done mine for some reason
18 20:04:00 andy753421 hmm, strange
18 20:05:00 andy753421 pidgin connects me whenever i sign on..
18 20:05:00 auchter i use irssi, though
18 20:06:00 andy753421 yea
19 04:28:00 octavious need me to leave now ?
19 04:28:00 andy753422 sure, i think i can DC mike
19 04:38:00 octavious how does one op himself
19 04:39:00 andy753421 /msg chanserv op #rhlug
19 04:40:00 octavious awesome
19 04:41:00 octavious howd the meeting go today?
19 04:42:00 octavious sorry i couldn't make it
19 04:42:00 andy753421 it was good
19 04:42:00 octavious anything exciting happen
19 04:42:00 andy753421 i talked about zsh/shell scripting, then we looked at installing ubuntu a little more
19 04:43:00 andy753421 and we're going to talk to Mike to see if we can install linux on one of the CS lab computers
19 04:43:00 octavious cool
19 04:43:00 octavious how was the presentation on zsh
19 04:43:00 octavious maybe i should brush up on my globbing
19 04:44:00 andy753421 it was alright, i just went over a bunch of examples because I put it together during 7th/8th our
19 04:44:00 andy753421 actually 8th/9th
19 04:44:00 octavious i see
19 04:44:00 octavious you talk about the irc channel? :)
19 04:44:00 andy753421 yea
19 04:44:00 octavious i saw povilus was in here earlier, but i bet most people just dont use irc
19 04:45:00 octavious not too many old schoolers. irc is dying out...
19 04:45:00 andy753421 yea
19 04:46:00 andy753421 (something cool from the command line i talked about though, 'tee $TTY < test.txt | netcat hostname 12345')
19 04:46:00 andy753421 mike's usually on here, he'll probably join back in when he wakes
19 04:47:00 andy753421 up
19 04:48:00 octavious what does said script do..
19 04:49:00 andy753421 writes 'test.txt' to your terminal AND stdout
19 04:49:00 andy753421 (and sends stdout to netcat, or some other process)
19 04:49:00 octavious there is a zsh module that will do that without using tee
19 04:49:00 octavious multios i think its called
19 04:49:00 octavious just keep tagging on >'s
19 04:50:00 octavious echo hello >out.file >out.file2 | echo
19 04:50:00 andy753421 yep, you could do it with ' < test.txt > $TTY | cat ' as well
19 04:51:00 andy753421 the '> $TTY part' is the interesting part though, since it writes directly to the terminal, it lets you see stuff and still pipe stdout/stderr places
19 04:53:00 octavious i need to start using pushd/popd..could really save some time
19 04:53:00 octavious maybe alias cd to pushd
19 04:53:00 andy753421 in zsh?
19 04:53:00 octavious yeah
19 04:54:00 octavious i vaguely recall a configuration to automagically add the directorys to the dirstack
19 04:54:00 andy753421 um, i have 'setopt autopushd pushdminus pushdsilent pushdtohome' in my .zshrc and i can do 'cd -3' to go back three directories
19 04:54:00 andy753421 i'm not sure which of those options are relevant though
19 04:55:00 andy753421 and 'cd -<TAB>' show's the stack
19 04:55:00 octavious i think its autopushd. not sure about the pushdminus and others
19 05:00:00 andy753421 http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Zsh_%28presentation%29 there's stuff I talked about
19 05:01:00 octavious big turnout today?
19 05:01:00 andy753421 not to big, only about 8 people
19 05:03:00 octavious i should really start my techcomm
19 05:03:00 octavious i still havent heard anything from Student Affairs
19 05:04:00 andy753421 yea, i should start my ESys prelab, and my anthropology reading, and my reqs and specs homework
19 05:04:00 andy753421 what about student affairs?
19 05:04:00 andy753421 is that for club status?
19 05:04:00 octavious for recognition as a student group
19 05:04:00 octavious yea
19 05:04:00 andy753421 ok
19 05:04:00 octavious i should email Carey
19 05:05:00 andy753421 maybe, who did you email the first time?
19 05:05:00 andy753421 or talk to
19 05:07:00 octavious i talked to Carey Traeger-Huber, she does all of the student affairs stuff
19 05:07:00 octavious i turned in all the forms, and had JP sign them and all that
19 05:07:00 octavious maybe i will stop by her office tomorrow and ask about progress
19 05:07:00 octavious she said that there would be a meeting sometime about it where they would review the constitution
19 05:08:00 andy753421 who reviews it?
19 05:08:00 octavious there is a Student Affairs Board that does so, made up of a faculty and students..
19 05:08:00 octavious at least thats how she explained it to me
19 05:08:00 octavious but they dont really meet that often
19 05:09:00 octavious there is no set schedule, apparently
19 05:09:00 andy753421 ok
19 05:09:00 octavious i drank three pots of coffee from ihop tonight
19 05:09:00 octavious rediculous
19 05:09:00 andy753421 heh, i took a 3 hour name from ~8 to ~11
19 05:10:00 octavious my computer is freaking out.
19 05:10:00 octavious the fan is ALWAYS on for some reason
19 05:10:00 octavious on high
19 05:10:00 andy753421 on your laptop?
19 05:10:00 octavious so its really loud. i went in and had them clean it out, hoping that maybe they would blow dust out and it wouldnt freak out
19 05:10:00 octavious yeah
19 05:10:00 andy753421 what's the temperature at?
19 05:10:00 octavious i have never had this problem before, normally i keep it cool
19 05:11:00 octavious the thermal_zone in the /proc/acpi says 35 C
19 05:12:00 octavious what is yours?
19 05:15:00 octavious heh
19 05:15:00 andy753421 hm, ok, you can emerge i8kutils and then use that to set the fan speed
19 05:15:00 octavious have you used said tool?
19 05:15:00 andy753421 ype
19 05:15:00 andy753421 *yep
19 05:16:00 octavious but it seems weird that it just started doing it
19 05:16:00 octavious i didn't switch kernels or anything..
19 05:16:00 andy753421 yea.. you can also check some other temperature sensor with i8k
19 05:16:00 octavious i am assuming i will need to compile some kernel modules as well
19 05:16:00 andy753421 yea
19 05:17:00 octavious you remember which modules correlate to our hardware?
19 05:17:00 andy753421 Processor type and features -> Dell laptop support
19 05:18:00 andy753421 you might have to force the module load though, or patch your kernel to get it to work with dell precisions
19 05:19:00 octavious alright. i will check it.
19 05:24:00 octavious omg so much better
19 05:24:00 octavious fan is not so LOUD
19 05:24:00 andy753421 what was wrong with it?
19 05:25:00 octavious i have no idea
19 05:25:00 octavious it was set to the highest setting for no reason
19 05:25:00 octavious so i just forced it down a notch
19 05:26:00 octavious now lets hope it doesnt burn up
19 05:27:00 andy753421 heh, you can set fan speed limits in /etc/i8kmon and then '/etc/init.d/i8k start'
19 05:29:00 octavious hmm, i8kmon executable was not installed
19 05:30:00 andy753421 i think the executable is just some stupid Tk gui
19 05:30:00 octavious hmm wtf
19 05:31:00 andy753421 yea..
19 05:31:00 andy753421 you can also install i8krellm if you like gkrellm2
19 05:31:00 octavious nah. of no real use with a tiling wm
19 05:32:00 andy753421 are you using wmii?
19 05:32:00 octavious ion3
19 05:32:00 andy753421 ah
19 05:33:00 octavious i dont understand the tk dependency for i8kmon
19 05:33:00 andy753421 if you're worried about temperatures http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/script.sh will print temperatures for the hard disk, gpu, and whatever THM and I8K uses as well as the fan speeds
19 05:35:00 andy753421 you wouldn't by any chance know where either the THM or I8k thermometers are?
19 05:35:00 octavious i have no idea
19 05:47:00 octavious doin the puzzle hunt i see
19 05:47:00 andy753421 yep
19 05:47:00 octavious puzzle hunts are fun
19 05:47:00 octavious i did one earlier this year
19 05:49:00 andy753421 there's not that many mudd teams signed up..
19 05:49:00 octavious yeah, but mudd is smaller than rose
19 05:50:00 andy753421 oh, how many people does it have?
19 05:50:00 octavious not sure
19 05:50:00 octavious its weird because harvey-mudd is like a small college inside of a bigger university
19 05:50:00 andy753421 hmm, wikipediaed it.. 726
19 06:10:00 octavious have you ever used yubnub?
19 06:11:00 andy753421 i've never even heard of it
19 06:12:00 octavious yubnub + vimperator is a good combination
19 06:17:00 octavious you get the new version of vimperator released this week?
19 06:18:00 andy753421 i actually don't use vimperator
19 06:18:00 octavious ahh
19 06:18:00 andy753421 i should try it sometime, but it doesn't seem like it would be that much of an improvement over normal firefox
19 06:18:00 octavious i find it very convenient. but thats just me
19 06:18:00 andy753421 how so?
19 06:19:00 octavious being able to scroll with the keyboard..browse without mouse cursor
19 06:19:00 octavious tab-complete bookmarks
19 06:19:00 andy753421 yea, hjkl would be nice
19 06:20:00 andy753421 i use arrow keys/page up/down already though
19 06:20:00 octavious also, by default it removes a lot of shit
19 06:20:00 andy753421 and i have it set so just typing search for urls, then i can hit enter
19 06:20:00 octavious all the toolbars and stuff
19 06:20:00 octavious only leaving a couple bars at the bottom. its very minimal
19 06:21:00 andy753421 yea, that might be useful
19 06:21:00 andy753421 i dont use bookmarks either though
19 06:22:00 octavious i didnt either really, but it made it more convenient for me
19 06:22:00 octavious bookmark the LUG page...press o type LUG, hit tab enter
19 06:22:00 octavious and i'm there
19 06:22:00 andy753421 ok, right now I Just do CTRL-L then start typing the url and hit tab
19 06:22:00 andy753421 heh, press <CTRL-l> type LUG, hit tab enter for me
19 06:22:00 octavious also, with yubnub, searching all sorts of pages is easy
19 06:23:00 octavious its basically like the keywords you can tie to bookmarks
19 06:23:00 octavious where 'g test' would search google for test
19 06:23:00 octavious or 'wp War of 1812' will open up the wikipedia page for War of 1812
19 06:23:00 octavious plus its a social commandline, where you can add your own shortcuts
19 06:24:00 octavious so i also use one that searches the dictionary
19 06:24:00 octavious yt searches youtube
19 06:24:00 octavious gim searches google images
19 06:24:00 octavious its basically magic of having these shortcuts, without having to set them up myself
19 06:24:00 andy753421 heh, i'll have to try it sometime
19 06:27:00 andy753421 i think i'd like still having the address bar though, since I modify a lot of URLS by typing in the addrss bar
19 06:33:00 octavious with vimerator typing Shift-O opens the command-line with the current url you can modify
19 06:35:00 octavious i dont think i can browse the old way again
19 06:35:00 octavious without being completely frustrated/slowed down
19 11:11:00 andy753421 mike, i booted you last night so we could register then channel, you should be able to op yourself now
19 11:14:00 auchter ah, no problem
19 12:05:00 octavious i have bluetooth working on the m70
19 12:05:00 octavious toying with bluetooth proximity triggering now
19 12:05:00 octavious with my phone
19 12:06:00 auchter nice. i've been wanting to do that, but bluetooth's iffy on our laptops
19 12:06:00 auchter how's it working out?
19 12:07:00 octavious well, i am still trying to figure out a bunch of it
19 12:07:00 octavious lots of bluetooth utility executables..
19 12:07:00 octavious trying to figure out what does what
19 12:07:00 octavious i have it listing my cell phone, and my cellphone listing my laptop
19 12:07:00 octavious now its just establishing a connection
19 12:08:00 auchter cool
19 12:08:00 auchter i've been wanting that to work for xlock
19 12:11:00 auchter our laptops have a smartcard reader that i've been wanting to get working, so i could store my ssh and gpg private keys on a card
19 12:11:00 octavious yeah, ours do as well
19 12:11:00 auchter unfortunately i can't seem to find any drivers/info on the reader at all
19 12:11:00 octavious but as far as i know its not supported
19 12:11:00 octavious yeah...that and i am unsure how to store keys on the card :P
19 12:12:00 andy753421 i did some bluetooth stuff last year with our laptops
19 12:12:00 octavious did you have any luck with it
19 12:12:00 andy753421 not sure if what I did would be that helpful though, i was working on drivers for the wiimote
19 12:12:00 octavious oh
19 12:12:00 andy753421 yea, the bluetooth stuff seemed to work fine
19 12:13:00 andy753421 the bluez drivers aren't that great though
19 12:13:00 andy753421 not that featurefull/complete that is
19 12:17:00 andy753421 has anyone done anything with single sign on with desktop software?
19 12:17:00 andy753421 stuff like making thunderbird/firefox/ssh all use the same authentication mechanism?
19 12:18:00 octavious sounds like something pam could accomplish
19 12:18:00 octavious but it would take some hacking
19 12:21:00 auchter apparently firefox can use kerberos for single sign on
19 14:53:00 auchter has anyone ever set it up so that when you connect a network cable to a card, dhclient is automatically run?
19 14:53:00 auchter it seems like there should be a way of doing this, but i can't seem to find anything on google
19 14:56:00 auchter actually, just found ifplugd which seems to do what i need
19 15:01:00 octaviou1 yeah, i think ifplugd is the way to go
19 15:04:00 auchter i hadn't even heard of it until just a few minutes ago
19 15:11:00 auchter it would be interesting to have a list of rose ip ranges and which physical location on campus they correspond to
19 15:12:00 auchter like 137.112.104.* is the cs lab, etc.
19 15:12:00 auchter it wouldn't be too hard to map out
19 15:14:00 octavious i was thinking about this not too long ago
19 15:15:00 tommost Yeah, that would be neat.
19 15:18:00 auchter we could write a quick php script that asks the person where they are on campus, and records their IP
19 15:19:00 tommost And translate that into a map? Is there a good source map somewhere that we could label?
19 15:22:00 auchter there are floorplans of all of the buildings somewhere on rose's site
19 15:22:00 auchter in pdf format, i believe
19 15:22:00 tommost Ouch.
19 15:22:00 auchter i like pdfs
19 15:22:00 tommost Well, export them to PNG and have users click on an imagemap.
19 15:23:00 tommost You can't make image maps out of PDFs ;-)
19 15:24:00 auchter pdf2ps file.pdf; ps2png file.ps
19 15:25:00 tommost Yes, I meant directly. <img src="map.png"> doesn't work.
19 15:25:00 tommost Anyway, have you found them on the site?
19 15:25:00 auchter hold on, i'll take a look
19 15:26:00 auchter hm, i can't seem to find them
19 15:26:00 tommost Nor can I.
19 15:26:00 auchter andy is the one who sent me the link once, we can ask him when he gets back
19 15:26:00 tommost Okay.
19 15:28:00 auchter http://www.rose-hulman.edu/Users/groups/Facilities/HTML/layouts.htm
19 15:28:00 auchter there it is
19 15:29:00 tommost Wow--Firefox is having a seizure.
19 15:29:00 auchter hmm, i didn't have any issues
19 15:29:00 tommost Okay, now it has frozen up.
19 15:29:00 tommost I love Adobe Reader.
19 15:29:00 tommost And Windows.
19 15:29:00 auchter ah yes, that would be an issue
19 15:29:00 tommost Very much so.
19 15:30:00 tommost Ooo... it happened again.
19 15:31:00 auchter right click -> save file as
19 15:31:00 tommost Yeah, I know.
19 15:31:00 auchter actually, just uninstall acroread
19 15:31:00 tommost There was some reason that I needed it...
19 15:31:00 tommost I probably had to open an encrypted PDF. It's annoying like that.
19 15:31:00 auchter pdfs do look best in it, no other reader can really compare
19 15:32:00 tommost Yeah.
19 15:32:00 tommost There was some interesting discussion about antialiasing when Apple released Safari for Windows... the verdict was, Adobe is the only one doing it right. Both Apple and Microsoft screwed it up in different ways.
19 15:33:00 auchter i didn't even know there was safari for windows
19 15:34:00 tommost Yeah, it's a bit of a mystery why Apple bothered.
19 15:34:00 tommost As usual, lots of silly speculation.
19 15:35:00 tommost Oh, and they reimplemented a ridiculous amount of OSX functionality to get it to work *exactly* the same.
19 15:35:00 tommost Hence the crummy Apple text anti-aliasing.
19 16:05:00 octavious heh, i just figured out how to pirate games for my phone
19 16:05:00 octavious go me
19 16:08:00 auchter what kind of phone do you have?
19 16:08:00 octavious nothing fancy. sony ericsson z525
19 16:08:00 octavious it was actually the one that came free when renewing my plan
19 16:08:00 octavious because i am a cheap bastard
19 16:09:00 auchter i've got a crummy nokia that i paid $40 for since a plan isn't really worth it to me
19 16:10:00 auchter i've also got a sony ericsson t68i which decides when it wants its mic to work
19 16:10:00 octavious heh
19 16:10:00 octavious well just messing around with the bluetooth stuff today
19 16:10:00 octavious i basically have access to the phones filesystem
19 16:11:00 octavious there is even a FUSE plugin so that I could mount it
19 16:12:00 auchter that's pretty nifty
19 16:13:00 auchter oh, that reminds me, someone needs to talk to IAIT about FUSE for addiator
19 16:22:00 tommost I'm having some problems getting AFS working on my headless Ubuntu server.
19 16:23:00 tommost The most comprehensible error message is "Can't mount AFS on /mnt/afs(22)".
19 16:24:00 tommost I get weird kernel errors when I try to restart the AFS daemon, which also seem to prevent me from restarting the computer (with sudo shutdown -r now).
19 16:24:00 auchter yeah, you can't kill the AFS daemon....
19 16:25:00 tommost Any idea about the mount error? What's 22?
19 16:26:00 auchter i've never actually used AFS
19 16:26:00 auchter i've always just mounted my home drive through samba if i've needed it
19 16:27:00 tommost I need access to the Thorn's data: \afsrose-hulman.eduusersgroupsthorn is the path I use in Windows.
19 16:31:00 auchter can you mount that path through samba?
19 16:31:00 tommost I don't know, under Linux.
19 16:32:00 auchter give it a try, mount -o username=whatever \afsrose-hulman.eduusersgroupsthorn /mnt/thorn
19 16:33:00 tommost I'd need samba for that, right?
19 16:33:00 tommost Downloading...
19 16:33:00 auchter yeah
19 16:36:00 auchter or, if you don't want samba, you could mount it using sshfs and fuse
19 16:36:00 tommost Samba just completed downloading.
19 16:37:00 auchter sshfs is a bit more secure, since passwords are sent in plaintext with samba
19 16:37:00 tommost When I entered the mount command I got this error: mount: special device afsrose-hulman.eduusersgroupsthorn does not exist
19 16:38:00 tommost Backslashes?
19 16:38:00 auchter oh yeah, convert those to forward slashes
19 16:39:00 tommost I go this: mount: special device afsrose-hulman.eduusersgroupsthorn does not exist
19 16:39:00 tommost No, this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //afs/rose-hulman.edu/users/groups/thorn,
19 16:39:00 tommost missing codepage or other error
19 16:39:00 tommost In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
19 16:39:00 tommost dmesg | tail or so
19 16:40:00 tommost The last line in dmesg |tail is "smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported".
19 16:41:00 auchter a quick google shows that you don't have smbfs installed
19 16:42:00 tommost The IAIT docs on AFS talk about mount points being \afs, etc. I don't think that those are normal UNC paths.
19 16:42:00 auchter do an apt-get install smbfs and try mounting it again
19 16:43:00 tommost 4438: Connection to afs failed
19 16:43:00 tommost SMB connection failed
19 16:43:00 auchter you should definitely be able to mount the path through samba. if //afs doesn't work, give //samba a try
19 16:43:00 auchter change afs to samba and try, that's the server i always used
19 16:44:00 tommost 4440: Connection to samba failed
19 16:44:00 auchter try samba.rose-hulman.edu then
19 16:45:00 tommost It tells me that I specified an invalid share name.
19 16:46:00 auchter paste the command here
19 16:46:00 tommost sudo mount -o username=mosttw //samba.rose-hulman.edu/users/groups/thorn /mnt/thorn
19 16:47:00 auchter try //samba.rose-hulman.edu/rose-hulman.edu/users/groups/thorn instead
19 16:47:00 tommost I already tried that.
19 16:48:00 tommost 4449: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
19 16:48:00 auchter hm, i wonder if it doesn't like symlinks
19 16:48:00 auchter try groups/Thorn
19 16:48:00 tommost Same.
19 16:49:00 auchter hmm.. this would be easier if samba was installed on this computer... hold on
19 16:56:00 auchter heh, i'm getting the same thing no matter what share i try to mount
19 17:05:00 tommost I can connect to samba.rose-hulman.edu with Windows.
19 17:06:00 tommost However, it won't let me log on.
19 17:06:00 auchter yeah, i noticed
19 17:06:00 auchter i'm thinking it's because of passwords being encrypted
19 17:06:00 auchter at least in windows, that's the problem
19 17:07:00 tommost Okay, I have the directions for fixing that up.
19 17:07:00 tommost I'll try them.
19 17:08:00 tommost No change.
19 17:08:00 tommost (Maybe I need to restart?)
19 17:10:00 tommost I'm getting slightly different errors with smbclient under Ubuntu.
19 17:10:00 tommost tomwm@jame:/$ smbclient \\samba.rose-hulman.edu\users\ -U mosttw
19 17:10:00 tommost Password:
19 17:10:00 tommost Domain=[RHIT] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.2.0]
19 17:10:00 tommost tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
19 17:10:00 tommost It connects, at least.
19 17:13:00 tommost Ech, I give up. This is why I was trying to use AFS in the first place.
19 17:16:00 tommost Andy, have you had any luck getting AFS to work?
19 17:16:00 andy753421 yea
19 17:17:00 andy753421 have you looked at http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Afs ?
19 17:17:00 tommost Yeah.
19 17:17:00 tommost I'm getting weird errors.
19 17:17:00 andy753421 although, recently, i've been having problems getting afs to authenticate with my account correctly
19 17:19:00 andy753421 tom: is that name registered?
19 17:19:00 tommost Registered?
19 17:20:00 andy753421 if you register with freenode, i'll can give you ops, if you like
19 17:20:00 tommost Ah.
19 17:20:00 andy753421 type /msg nickserv help
19 17:24:00 andy753421 mike/tom: I think i'm going to try to move freya back to the robotics lab sometime this evening
19 17:24:00 auchter fine with me
19 17:24:00 tommost Okay.
19 17:24:00 auchter what time are you thinking?
19 17:27:00 andy753421 like 15 minutes or a half hour
19 17:27:00 andy753421 i'm in F217 right now, but i'm in a team meeting so once that's done
19 17:27:00 andy753421 are you still on campus?
19 17:35:00 auchter no, i'm at coffee grounds in town
19 17:35:00 andy753421 ok
19 18:00:00 tommost Andy, does this mean anything to you?
19 18:00:00 tommost sudo afsd -mountdir /afs
19 18:00:00 tommost afsd: All AFS daemons started.
19 18:00:00 tommost afsd: Can't mount AFS on /afs(22)
19 18:28:00 tommost Never mind. I'm going to try Arla.
19 18:33:00 andy753421 ok, i'm going to go take the vision stuff back to the lab, i can just get it myself
19 18:33:00 tommost Okay.
19 19:56:00 auchter ok, i added a page to the wiki with a list of public machines on campus
19 19:56:00 auchter http://lug.phire.org/index.php/Public_Machines
19 19:56:00 auchter those are all that i know of, anyone have any to add?
19 20:04:00 tommost I'm having some trouble building Arla.
19 20:04:00 tommost I just spent about an hour chasing down a really silly dependency, and now there's some sort of error:
19 20:05:00 tommost /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto
19 20:05:00 tommost Help?
19 20:46:00 auchter do you have openssl installed?
19 20:48:00 tommost Yup.
19 20:49:00 tommost The full command:
19 20:49:00 tommost tomwm@jame:~/arla-0.90/lib/ko$ make
19 20:49:00 tommost /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wbad-function-cast -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -o sysnametest sysnametest.o libko.la ../../util/libarlautil.la ../../lib/roken/libroken.la -lcrypt -L/usr/lib -lkrb5 -lresolv -lresolv -lresolv -lresolv
19 20:49:00 tommost gcc -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wbad-function-cast -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -o sysnametest sysnametest.o ./.libs/libko.a ../../util/.libs/libarlautil.a ../../lib/roken/.libs/libroken.a -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libkrb5.so -lcrypto /usr/lib/libasn1.so -lcom_err /usr/lib/libroken.so -ldb -lcrypt -ldl -lpthread -lresolv
19 20:49:00 tommost /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto
19 20:49:00 tommost collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
19 20:49:00 tommost make: *** [sysnametest] Error 1
19 20:52:00 tommost The output of ./configure reads:
19 20:52:00 tommost tomwm@jame:~/arla-0.90/lib/ko$ make
19 20:52:00 tommost /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wbad-function-cast -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -o sysnametest sysnametest.o libko.la ../../util/libarlautil.la ../../lib/roken/libroken.la -lcrypt -L/usr/lib -lkrb5 -lresolv -lresolv -lresolv -lresolv
19 20:52:00 tommost gcc -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wbad-function-cast -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -o sysnametest sysnametest.o ./.libs/libko.a ../../util/.libs/libarlautil.a ../../lib/roken/.libs/libroken.a -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libkrb5.so -lcrypto /usr/lib/libasn1.so -lcom_err /usr/lib/libroken.so -ldb -lcrypt -ldl -lpthread -lresolv
19 20:52:00 tommost /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto
19 20:52:00 tommost collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
19 20:52:00 tommost make: *** [sysnametest] Error 1
19 20:52:00 tommost Ooops. That's
19 20:52:00 tommost checking openssl/ui.h usability... no
19 20:52:00 tommost checking openssl/ui.h presence... no
19 20:52:00 tommost checking for openssl/ui.h... no
19 20:54:00 auchter where is openssl installed?
19 20:54:00 tommost I'm not sure. Give me a moment.
19 20:54:00 auchter ok
19 20:58:00 tommost /usr/bin/openssl
19 20:59:00 auchter is there a libssl.so in /usr/lib?
19 21:00:00 tommost There's a libgnutls-openssl.so.13
19 21:01:00 auchter is there a libcrypto.so?
19 21:02:00 auchter actually, try this command:
19 21:02:00 tommost Several.
19 21:02:00 auchter ldd /usr/bin/openssl
19 21:02:00 auchter paste lines with crypto or ssl here
19 21:02:00 tommost libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xb7e3d000)
19 21:03:00 auchter ok, try adding "/usr/lib/i686/cmov/" without the quotes to /etc/ld.so.conf, and running ldconfig
19 21:04:00 auchter then try to configure again
19 21:04:00 tommost Just a moment.
19 21:09:00 tommost I get the same problem.
19 21:11:00 auchter ok, in /usr/include, is there an openssl directory?
19 21:11:00 tommost Nope.
19 21:12:00 auchter finding out where that directory is (it will have files like ui.h in it) would help
19 21:12:00 auchter is there a /usr/include/i686/cmov/ ?
19 21:13:00 tommost Nope.
19 21:14:00 auchter try running: find /usr -iname 'openssl'
19 21:14:00 auchter it may take a while...
19 21:15:00 tommost It didn't.
19 21:15:00 tommost /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl
19 21:15:00 tommost /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl
19 21:15:00 tommost /usr/share/doc/openssl
19 21:15:00 tommost /usr/bin/openssl
19 21:15:00 auchter heh, awesome
19 21:15:00 tommost I just build OpenSSL, BTW.
19 21:15:00 auchter alright, go back to your arla directory
19 21:15:00 auchter and run ./configure --includedir=/usr/local/ssl/include/
19 21:17:00 tommost Running...
19 21:18:00 tommost Same problem.
19 21:18:00 auchter and run ./configure --includedir=/usr/local/ssl/include/openssl
19 21:23:00 auchter did that change anything?
19 21:26:00 tommost Nope. Same error.
19 21:26:00 auchter what distro is this?
19 21:26:00 tommost Ubuntu 7.04.
19 21:26:00 auchter you may want to join an ubuntu room and ask, i've run out of ideas
19 21:27:00 tommost Okay, thanks.
19 21:27:00 auchter arla compiles fine on my machine
19 21:27:00 auchter yeah, sorry i couldn't help more
19 21:27:00 tommost What are you running?
19 21:28:00 auchter gentoo
19 21:28:00 tommost Of course.
22 14:46:00 octavious hello
22 14:48:00 andy753421 yo
22 14:48:00 octavious how is it goin
22 14:48:00 andy753421 good, sitting around 'TAing' for 120
22 14:49:00 andy753421 but noone's really asking question right now
22 14:49:00 octavious ahh, that sucks. i am in DigSys now
22 14:49:00 octavious what an easy class....
22 14:49:00 andy753421 ah
22 14:49:00 octavious reading the onion actually.
22 14:49:00 andy753421 heh, i'm reading about IDE's on wikipedia
22 14:49:00 octavious yesterday i got the bluetooth proximity monitor working with my laptop/cell phone
22 14:49:00 andy753421 they're trying to make the 120 students use Eclipse to program C
22 14:50:00 andy753421 which is strange and perverted
22 14:50:00 andy753421 what does the proximity monitor do?
22 14:50:00 octavious ew. i am really curious as to how learning C after python is going to work
22 14:50:00 octavious activates screensaver on leaving proximity. disables when returning
22 14:50:00 andy753421 dude, that'd be sweet
22 14:51:00 andy753421 what type of cell phone do you have?
22 14:51:00 octavious a cheap one. sony ericsson z525
22 14:51:00 octavious it was the free one i got when i renewed contract
22 14:51:00 andy753421 ah, i almost got one of those, or something simmilar
22 14:52:00 octavious its pretty neat. getting bluez working wasnt really that hard.
22 14:52:00 andy753421 i dont think my current phone has bluetooth though
22 14:52:00 andy753421 but that could almost be a reason to stop by a pawn shop and get a new one
22 14:52:00 octavious i had a bunch of games for it, but they are all for a bigger phone, so the resolution is bigger than my screen
22 14:53:00 andy753421 ah
22 14:53:00 andy753421 can you get that working with PAM or anything?
22 14:53:00 andy753421 and how close do you have to be?
22 14:53:00 octavious i have looked a little bit, there is a pam module for bluetooth
22 14:53:00 octavious pam_blue
22 14:53:00 octavious i can connect halfway down the hallway of BSB
22 14:54:00 andy753421 ok, can you limit the range or anything? so you screen saver doesn't shut off accidentally?
22 14:54:00 octavious yeah
22 14:54:00 octavious i just implemented it with a bash script
22 14:55:00 octavious for each packet that is sent to the phone, an RSSI value is returned
22 14:55:00 andy753421 RSSI?
22 14:55:00 octavious which is a function of the phones distance from the computer
22 14:55:00 andy753421 ok,
22 14:55:00 octavious so i just use that, with a given threshold
22 14:55:00 octavious it works pretty decently, could be smoother
22 14:55:00 octavious need to work the kinks out of the script
22 14:56:00 andy753421 ok
22 14:56:00 andy753421 what type of security does it use?
22 14:57:00 octavious i am not sure. there is a process of pairing with the computer, but i dont think that means anything and is easily spoofed
22 14:57:00 andy753421 ok
22 14:58:00 octavious all the script does is establishes a connection with a given MAC, reads RSSI and drops connection
22 14:58:00 andy753421 ok
22 14:58:00 octavious its cool though, i was using obexftp to transfer the ringtones from my cell phone to my computer
22 14:59:00 andy753421 nice,
22 14:59:00 andy753421 can you sync calendars or anything?
22 15:00:00 octavious probably, i dont use the calendar on my phone, so i didnt try
22 15:00:00 octavious well, i dont use any calendaring software at all
22 15:00:00 andy753421 ok, i use sunbird, so i'd be nice to be able to transfer that to my phone and then have it alert me of meetings and such
22 15:01:00 octavious that would be very cool.
22 15:30:00 andy753421 does rose have maple 11 for linux?
22 15:41:00 auchter i don't believe so, but even if they did only freshmen would be licensed for it, i think
22 15:41:00 andy753421 ok
22 17:10:00 octavious bah
22 17:10:00 octavious i had no luck with the docx converter for OO
22 17:10:00 auchter the one that andy posted on the wiki?
22 17:20:00 octavious well, the one from sun
22 17:20:00 octavious i tried installing it, but it really sucked. i found some online convertoers
22 17:21:00 auchter i tried the one posted on the wiki and wasn't able to get it working
22 17:37:00 andy753421 hm.. the wiki ones (form novel) works for me
22 17:56:00 auchter what version of ooo are you using?
22 18:56:00 andy753421 2.3 right now, but it worked with 2.2 as well
22 19:27:00 octavious heh, i just left. what a jackass.
22 22:08:00 andy753421 did you ever get the ODT converter working?
23 01:58:00 octavious gah
23 01:59:00 octavious no i never got the script working, but what i did
23 01:59:00 octavious just use a website
23 02:00:00 andy753421 ok, out of curiosity, what error did it give you?
23 02:00:00 octavious hm, it just crapped out. i dont think the script scales well
23 02:00:00 octavious i was like 8 pages with images and things
23 02:00:00 octavious the webpage that i used to convert had it turned into a 30mb .doc file
23 02:01:00 octavious but when i used MS office, it made it like 2.5mb
23 02:01:00 andy753421 hmm
23 02:01:00 andy753421 can you send me the .docx?
23 02:01:00 octavious not right now, give me a bit
23 02:01:00 octavious working on a project
23 02:01:00 andy753421 ok
23 02:05:00 octavious whats the plan for this weeks LUG? whos doin the presentation?
23 02:05:00 andy753422 chris is doing one on coreutils type stuff
23 02:05:00 octavious ahh
23 02:06:00 andy753422 it'd be cool to have a presentation on single sign on
23 02:06:00 octavious what do you mean
23 02:06:00 octavious is this something we discussed the possibility of using pam + pam_blue to login to everything?
23 02:06:00 andy753422 yea basically
23 02:06:00 octavious that would be neat
23 02:06:00 andy753422 like i have pam set up so that when I log in with pam it decrypts my ssh keys, so i can then log in to any other server
23 02:07:00 andy753422 but there's other stuff you can do to, like have it authenticate against kerberos and what not
23 02:07:00 octavious thats pretty sweet. right now i use keychain to control ssh-agent across terminal sessions
23 02:08:00 octavious although i like the pam setup better. especially if i can have it add/remove keys when my cellphone is in range
23 02:08:00 andy753422 yea, i don't know how well pam works with keychain, but if you're using X you don't really need it
23 02:08:00 octavious that would be pretty kickass
23 02:09:00 andy753422 i doubt that's possible, you would have to decrypt the ssh key, so you would need to store the password on the cell phone, or use some other form of encryption
23 02:09:00 andy753422 or maybe store the ssh keys unencrypted in your cell phone
23 02:10:00 octavious hmm, that is actually a good idea. i have file transfer set up, i should have it upload them to memory and load into ssh-agent when in range
23 02:10:00 octavious and unload them when out of range
23 02:10:00 andy753422 yea, you can use ssh-add to remove and delete keys but keep the same agent
23 02:10:00 octavious exactly. cool idea.
23 02:11:00 octavious so how do you have pam doing the ssh key decryption..? how are your keys encrypted?
23 02:11:00 octavious with a password?
23 02:11:00 auchter yeah, i see two pam modules in portage for ssh
23 02:11:00 andy753422 yea, do you encrypt your ssh keys/
23 02:11:00 andy753422 auchter: you need both i think
23 02:11:00 andy753422 http://andy753421.ath.cx/files/system-auth
23 02:12:00 auchter ah, thanks
23 02:12:00 andy753422 it seems like pam_ssh.so creates the ssh-agent, but doesn't add keys to it for some reason
23 02:13:00 auchter i don't have much experience with pam, crux didn't use it by default
23 02:13:00 andy753422 yea, it's a bit confusing
23 02:13:00 andy753422 i *think* that the config i posed is secure, but i'm not positive
23 02:14:00 auchter i'll give it a try once i finish the esys homework
23 02:14:00 andy753421 :( i gave it a try instead of starting my ESys homework...
23 02:42:00 auchter so, has anyone talked to mcleish about getting linux on that box in f225? or are we just going to do it ourselves?
23 02:42:00 andy753421 oh, i was going to ask him but i forgot
23 02:42:00 andy753421 remind me sometime tomorrow
23 02:43:00 auchter alright
23 02:44:00 auchter although a benefit of doing it ourselves would be root, so we could install software if needed
23 02:44:00 andy753421 yea, i figured I'd ask if we (the LUG) could install it on the spare space
23 02:45:00 andy753421 in which case we would have root anyway
23 02:45:00 auchter ah, alright
23 13:40:00 andy753421 is the rose 'RHIT' wep key still '5765...7265'? and has anyone been able to connect to it recently?
23 13:44:00 octavious i havent tried
23 13:44:00 octavious but it doesnt seem like they would just randomly change it
23 13:46:00 andy753421 ok, i wouldn't think so either, but i haven't been able to connect for a w while,
23 14:49:00 octavious andy753421: i just checked the RHIT key...still works in Crapo
23 14:51:00 andy753421 ok, how did you connect?
23 14:51:00 andy753421 i.e. what ifconfig line?
23 14:51:00 andy753421 er, iwconfig i mean
23 14:51:00 octavious its done by my init script
23 14:52:00 octavious the key i have is 5765...2072-65
23 14:54:00 andy753421 using /etc/conf.d/net ?
23 14:54:00 octavious yea
23 14:55:00 octavious key_RHIT="5765-2061-7265-206E-6F74-2072-65"
23 14:55:00 andy753421 what's the rest of the config?
23 14:55:00 andy753421 i.e. you should post it on the wiki
23 14:56:00 andy753421 but without the wep key, since i think that's supposed to be private or something
23 14:56:00 octavious hmm. that basically is the only config line
23 14:56:00 octavious except for my other keys
23 14:57:00 andy753421 oh, ok
23 14:57:00 octavious i dont use the vpn or rhit-1x... 1x disables my keyboard
23 14:57:00 octavious i normally just hardwire
23 14:59:00 auchter i had that keyboard problem once when i started wpa_supplicant using sudo
23 15:00:00 octavious yeah, thats what i am talking about
23 15:00:00 auchter normally i su then start it, and haven't had issues
23 15:00:00 octavious hmm
23 15:00:00 auchter i haven't tried to duplicate it yet
23 15:00:00 octavious well, my keyboard is pretty consistently disabled when starting wpa_supplicant
23 15:01:00 octavious :andy753421 : 10/23/07 20:15 >< PART #rhlug :
23 16:18:00 octavious it seems like there are a ton of virtualization techniques for linux
23 16:18:00 octavious i need one that kind of summarizes them all and lets me pick which one i should use to virtualize windows in linux
23 16:21:00 auchter i'm using vmware server
23 16:22:00 auchter i used to use qemu, but vmware server seems to work better, and it sets up bridging and such automatically
23 16:44:00 octavious Comparison of virtual machines on wikipedia
23 17:16:00 octavious hmm
23 17:16:00 octavious vmware-server is a rather large install :#rhlug : 10/23/07 21:16 <octavious> auchter: what kind of luck have you had with course software with vmware-server?
23 17:16:00 octavious i am thinking about removing my windows partition
23 17:20:00 andy753421 os is there a way to forward the environment over ssh?
23 17:21:00 andy753421 i.e. so i have all the same aliases and such on each machine?
23 17:23:00 octavious seems like there should be a way
23 17:39:00 auchter octavious: the only thing i've used under vmware-server in windows is dyknow and the cadence ius suite, until i got cadence for linux
23 17:39:00 auchter it worked flawlessly
23 17:39:00 auchter i had problems with dyknow under qemu, but that may have been my windows install acting up
23 21:33:00 auchter maybe someone should give a presentation one week on distcc
23 21:33:00 auchter the reason why no one else is running it may be that they don't know what it is
23 21:41:00 octavious i am contemplating rebuilding gentoo from the ground up
23 21:42:00 octavious probably more intelligently lay out partitions
23 21:42:00 octavious without a windows one, of course
23 21:43:00 auchter i was considering reinstalling as well
23 21:44:00 auchter what were you thinking for your partitions?
23 21:44:00 octavious well, the main thing is the removal and reclaiming of the windows partition
23 21:44:00 auchter of course
23 21:44:00 octavious other than that, i might experiment with a couple different fs's
23 21:45:00 octavious do a little research, set up a seperate partition for /usr/portage/ that is efficient with small files
23 21:45:00 auchter reiserfs is very good for small files
23 21:45:00 auchter have you ever done anything with LVM?
23 21:45:00 octavious no
23 21:45:00 octavious actually, thats one thing i will look into
23 21:45:00 octavious you?
23 21:45:00 auchter no, but it looks interesting
23 21:45:00 auchter it seems to have a lot of the features i like about ZFS
23 21:49:00 andy753422 i've been using reiserfs, i tried ext3 for a while but ended up going back to reiser
23 21:49:00 andy753422 you don't have to reinstall though, just tarball everything, change filesystems, and then untar
23 21:50:00 andy753422 unless you want to get rid of cruft
23 21:50:00 octavious yeah, i will just tarball configurations, home dir, etc
23 21:50:00 andy753422 eh, back to starcraft :)
23 21:50:00 octavious and get rid of cruft
23 21:50:00 octavious i would like to ideally set up my partitions
23 21:51:00 octavious for different dirs to be optimized. like what i was saying about /usr/portage
23 21:51:00 octavious you have any experience with reiser4?
23 21:53:00 auchter i used reiser4, but it was kind of a pain without it in the kernel
23 21:54:00 octavious ah, i think the kernel i use on my laptop includes it
23 21:54:00 octavious includes the patches for reiser4
23 21:56:00 octavious kamikaze-sources
23 21:58:00 auchter i used to use the cko patchset, which included it, but then got lazy about it
23 21:59:00 auchter what all does kamikaze include?
23 22:34:00 octavious tons of patches
23 22:34:00 octavious alot of laptop stuff
23 22:35:00 octavious new versions of tuxonice, undervolting stuff
23 22:35:00 octavious tickless patch
23 22:36:00 andy753421 tickless is in the mainline now
23 22:36:00 octavious http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-603467.html
23 22:36:00 octavious ahh
23 23:25:00 octavious hmm, now that i have looked into LVM2 i dont think it is the best option for a laptop
23 23:25:00 octavious seems like it would just add unnecessary overhead
24 01:45:00 auchter so, since the built in smart card reader on our laptops doesn't work under linux, i'm considering buying a pcmcia one
24 01:46:00 auchter it would be nice to be able to store my pgp/ssh keys on a smartcard that i can physically remove
24 01:47:00 andy753421 yea, i think i would get a RFID reader instead though, but that could be a little less secure
24 01:48:00 auchter hmm... that's something i hadn't considered
24 01:48:00 auchter i wonder how the software support is for them
24 01:48:00 andy753421 not sure, but then you might be able to use it with with your rose card
24 01:50:00 auchter i'm not sure i would trust something like that... plus, i need something that i can write to, so that means an rfid writer...
24 01:51:00 andy753421 true, do rfid/smartcard readers usually double as writers?
24 01:52:00 octavious not that i know of
24 01:52:00 andy753421 ok, you might be able to use a USB key as well
24 01:53:00 andy753421 i don't think i'd like that though, because it'd be something you would always have to carry around with you
24 01:53:00 auchter yeah, the usb key i don't like, mainly because it will stick out of my laptop
24 01:53:00 auchter a smart card would be flush
24 01:55:00 andy753421 would it be? if you put a normal credit card in the smartcard reader on our laptops it sticks out a bit
24 01:56:00 auchter yeah, you're right, but it's still less than a usb key
24 01:56:00 andy753421 yea, and probably harder to break off
24 01:56:00 auchter plus smartcards aren't just storage
24 01:57:00 andy753421 what else are they?
24 01:58:00 auchter a lot of them have chips on board that can generate key pairs and such
24 01:59:00 auchter http://www.cryptoflex.com/Products/cards_32k.html
24 01:59:00 andy753421 ah, i would imagine they would have protection and such if you loose it as well
24 02:00:00 auchter yeah, a bit safer than just having the keys on the card
24 02:00:00 octavious i still like the bluetooth uploading of keys. i need to work on that :#rhlug : 10/24/07 06:04 <auchter> yeah, that's definitely cool
24 14:27:00 andy753421 so we can start installing linux (fedora) on the lab computers whenever we want
24 14:50:00 auchter so, that's good that we can install linux on that machine
24 14:51:00 auchter when were you planning on doing it?
24 14:52:00 andy753421 well for some reason I was thinking the LUG meeting was tonight and that we'd talk about it and possible do it after that
24 14:53:00 andy753421 but since it's not tonight, maybe tomorrow afternoone?
24 14:53:00 andy753421 er, evening, after the lug meeting
24 14:53:00 auchter won't the install take some time?
24 14:53:00 andy753421 maybe
24 14:53:00 auchter it could be installed today and then configured tomorrow
24 14:53:00 andy753421 that might work
24 14:54:00 andy753421 actually that's a good idea because configuration will the people intensive part
24 14:54:00 andy753421 i've got to study ESys a lot today, but i can do that in the lab while it's copying files and such
24 14:54:00 auchter yeah, that's what i'm doing now
24 15:59:00 auchter so, i'm having a strange issue with X all of a sudden
24 15:59:00 auchter i try to startx, and X starts, but nothing can connect to it, so my wm won't start
24 16:04:00 auchter any ideas?
24 16:15:00 auchter hm... strange. it works now that i deleted my .Xauthority file
24 16:16:00 octavious definitely strange
24 18:07:00 auchter andy753421: so, did you pick up the dvd from mcleish?
24 18:17:00 andy753421 auchter: he couldn't find it but I got a blank dvd from Lynn, so I'll burn the Fedora image from the CS server right now
24 18:18:00 auchter ok
24 18:20:00 andy753421 ohh.. i should go connect to a wall
24 18:20:00 auchter might help throughput a bit
24 18:22:00 andy753421 i'll be over in the CS lab at 7:00 to TA
24 18:22:00 andy753421 so if you want to stop by we can work on stuff then, assuming nobody shows up for help
24 18:23:00 auchter i'm in f225 right now, and i think there's an esys review at 7 that i may go to for a bit
24 18:23:00 auchter but i'll be by after that, or sooner if it's not very helpful
24 18:23:00 andy753421 ok, yea, i would go to that as well, but i've got to TA
24 18:23:00 andy753421 alrioght
24 18:24:00 andy753421 ok, i'm going to go plug this laptop into a wall
24 20:06:00 andy753421 ok, i've got a FC 7 dvd, but the computer in F217 doesn't seem to work
24 20:07:00 andy753421 i.e. the hardware or bios seems borked because it wont boot at all
24 21:14:00 auchter so, there's no rose mirror for x64 fc-7
24 21:25:00 andy753421 i'll e-mail Mike and see if he want's to put one up
24 22:21:00 auchter fc-7 is installing
24 22:21:00 auchter 270/1328 packages currently
24 22:22:00 andy753421 ok
24 23:02:00 octavious i changed my mind, i think i might actually use LVM2 for my laptop
24 23:02:00 octavious maybe over the weekend i will find time to get it all set up
24 23:06:00 auchter let me know how that goes
24 23:07:00 andy753421 auchter: how's linux coming along?
24 23:08:00 auchter 951/1328 packages, although it seems to have stalled here on ghostscript...
24 23:08:00 auchter hm... it says it's on try 5/10 for downloading ghostscript
24 23:08:00 auchter i wonder if we've used too much bandwidth...
24 23:10:00 andy753421 is there a way to pause and continue?
24 23:10:00 auchter even pinging things internally says "Destination Host Unreachable"
24 23:10:00 andy753421 pinging the server?
24 23:10:00 andy753421 can you ping inside rose, or to other servers?
24 23:10:00 auchter yeah, i'm trying to ping freya
24 23:10:00 auchter i can't ping anything
24 23:10:00 auchter so i may bring down eth0 and try to get a new ip
24 23:11:00 andy753421 try mii-tool first
24 23:11:00 andy753421 see if it's still got a connection to that
24 23:13:00 auchter yeah, it's still got a connection
24 23:13:00 auchter i got a new ip, but can't ping anything either
24 23:13:00 andy753421 what's the IP?
24 23:14:00 auchter oh, the route's messed up
24 23:14:00 auchter hold on
24 23:16:00 auchter alright, it's fixed
24 23:24:00 auchter heh, it did it again. i don't know what's up with this install and routing tables...
25 02:24:00 andy753421 so when I rebooted the lab computer i tried linux again and root could log in, but kerberos was still borked
25 02:39:00 auchter ah, that's good
25 11:11:00 andy753421 McLeish said he'd would have x86_64 updates on ftp.cs by tomorrow
25 11:14:00 auchter sounds good
25 18:12:00 auchter anyone here?
25 18:13:00 auchter you're here.
25 18:13:00 Baty yes
25 18:13:00 Baty i am
25 18:15:00 Baty YYYyAARRFGGGGGG
25 18:15:00 octavious okay.
25 18:15:00 auchter so, we're all at the lug
25 18:15:00 Baty yup
25 18:15:00 Baty we are
25 18:15:00 octavious emergency water problems in BSB :(
25 18:16:00 Baty errkkk what?
25 18:16:00 octavious i have to stay for a contract plumber
25 18:16:00 octavious the basement is flooded
25 18:17:00 ge lmao
25 18:17:00 ge sucks josh
25 18:17:00 octavious otherwise i would be over there
25 18:29:00 andy753421 Baty doesn't get ops until he registers
25 20:15:00 andy753421 so it was the GDM theme that was making X not work
25 20:18:00 andy753421 and the 'fast user swithching' applet is what's making the top gnome pannel not work
25 20:19:00 auchter that's strange that a theme would cause that much trouble
25 20:28:00 andy753421 yea, Ok, i think i've successfully disabled fast user switching as well
25 20:28:00 andy753421 but still haven't figured out how to install openafs, i think i might just do it from source, since I can't find any RPMs for it
25 20:29:00 auchter the rpms are on ftp.cs
25 20:29:00 auchter i was just going to look into setting that as a repos
25 20:29:00 andy753421 but those are i[36]86
25 20:29:00 auchter oh yeah
25 20:31:00 andy753421 and if you want to log in with kerberos, just log in, make a home folder in /Users/stu<year>/<username> then log out and back in
25 20:31:00 auchter yeah, i logged in
25 20:31:00 andy753421 anyway i'm off to eat dinner
25 20:31:00 auchter alright
26 01:07:00 andy753421 so I got the machine back up, and afs works, and is set to be used as home directories. But AFS is not set up by default if you reboot, and you have to run 'kinit <username>; aklog' after you log in in order to get write access
26 01:07:00 andy753421 we'll have to put in in pam somewhow
26 02:02:00 cr1 .
26 02:02:00 andy753421 hi chris
26 02:03:00 cr1 hi
26 02:03:00 cr1 say, why am I "cr1"?
26 02:03:00 andy753421 is that your username on your computer?
26 02:03:00 cr1 yeah
26 02:03:00 andy753421 then that would be why ;) you can change it if you like
26 02:03:00 cr1 it shouldn't be though
26 02:04:00 cr1 what did I miss at today's LUG meeting?
26 02:04:00 andy753421 not a lot
26 02:05:00 andy753421 we installed fedora on the CS lab computer
26 02:05:00 andy753421 you should be able to ssh into phantom.cs.rose-hulman.edu now
26 02:05:00 andy753421 but afs is still sketchy
26 02:06:00 cr1 sweet
26 02:06:00 cr1 well, I think I'll turn in for the night. At least I finally remembered to join this channel.
26 02:07:00 andy753421 whoo, did you set autojoin?
26 02:07:00 cr1 no, how do I do that?
26 02:07:00 cr1 (I'm right now using gaim)
26 02:08:00 andy753421 in pidgin/gaim, go to 'Buddies -> Add Chat' select irc.freenode.net as server, type in #rhlug, and click add. Then go to the place on the buddy list where it's listed and right click it and select autojoin
26 02:09:00 cr1 sweet
26 02:10:00 cr1 alright, good night buddy
26 02:10:00 andy753421 'night
26 02:10:00 auchter nice job on getting phantom back up
26 02:10:00 auchter how bad was it?
26 02:11:00 andy753421 not bad at all, i didn't think it would be
26 02:11:00 auchter ah, good
26 02:11:00 andy753421 just had to find the right line to type into grub and then once it was booted save it
26 02:11:00 andy753421 everything else worked
26 02:14:00 auchter so, are the groups for the user account set locally?
26 02:14:00 auchter or are they inherited through kerberos
26 02:14:00 andy753421 no, they're all over afs/ldap/kerberos i think
26 02:14:00 auchter ok. i was going to enable sudo for wheel
26 02:14:00 andy753421 i'm not sure what it does for the default unix group
26 02:14:00 andy753421 ok
26 02:14:00 auchter but yeah, i'm not a member of wheel
26 02:16:00 andy753421 ok, just add auchtemm to the wheel group
26 02:16:00 andy753421 that seems to work just fine
26 02:17:00 auchter [root@phantom auchtemm]# /usr/sbin/usermod -G wheel auchtemm
26 02:17:00 auchter usermod: auchtemm not found in /etc/passwd
26 02:17:00 andy753421 I NOPASSWD'd wheel for the time being,
26 02:17:00 andy753421 screw that
26 02:17:00 andy753421 vim /etc/group
26 02:17:00 auchter alrigth, that works nicely
26 14:38:00 povilus woot ops
26 14:55:00 andy753421 wow, gmail's ldap is nice, i can finally collapse my 'labels' into directories
26 14:56:00 auchter you mean imap, perhaps?
26 14:56:00 andy753421 ah yes
26 14:56:00 auchter yeah, it's great
26 14:56:00 auchter i never thought they would offer it
26 14:58:00 tommost wow. I've been waiting for that forever.
26 15:04:00 andy753421 afs on phantom should be working correctly now as well..
26 15:04:00 andy753421 except it still doesn't start when booted, we need to find/write an init script for that
26 15:04:00 auchter is there one on addiator?
26 15:05:00 andy753421 auchter: probably, there might be one in the OpenAFS distribution as well, but i don't know how the fedora init system works
26 15:05:00 auchter i see an /etc/init.d/openafs-client
27 22:52:00 octavious yeah, it was pretty freakin amazing
27 22:53:00 octavious crazy puzzles
27 22:53:00 cr1 good times
27 22:54:00 auchter lot of netsplits tonight
27 22:55:00 auchter so, what did the puzzle hunt involve?
27 22:59:00 cr1 we were given a puzzle
27 22:59:00 cr1 solving one puzzle gave us a city name
27 22:59:00 cr1 we looked up the city in a huge ass list
27 22:59:00 cr1 and it told us where the next puzzle was
27 22:59:00 octavious yeah
27 22:59:00 octavious some of the puzzles were really cool
27 23:00:00 octavious hard to describe
27 23:00:00 cr1 Our group solved them all in the CSSE lab
27 23:00:00 cr1 so we wasted a lot of time going back and forth
27 23:00:00 octavious yea. how far did you get?
27 23:00:00 cr1 we solved 12
27 23:01:00 cr1 for 173 points
27 23:01:00 cr1 you?
27 23:01:00 octavious 11 for 146
27 23:01:00 octavious the bottle one was simply amazing
27 23:02:00 cr1 we were pretty lucky with the bottle
27 23:02:00 cr1 one of our group just thought
27 23:02:00 cr1 "hey, how about taking the label off?"
27 23:02:00 octavious yeah, i couldnt see shit in the dark
27 23:02:00 cr1 one of the advantages of the CSSE lab
27 23:02:00 octavious dr fisher must have spent A TON of time on setting this up
27 23:03:00 cr1 we also lost a lot of time on the first puzzle and the "cakewalk the plankton" puzzle
27 23:03:00 cr1 yeah
27 23:05:00 octavious yeah it was rediculous
27 23:06:00 octavious we kind of got screwed on the first one
27 23:06:00 octavious but whatever. yeah, we wasted a lot of time on the rock one
27 23:06:00 octavious because we didnt grab the bag of rocks
27 23:06:00 octavious we grabbed the clue envelope and then left
27 23:07:00 octavious and didnt realise until later we needed the wood/rocks
27 23:07:00 andy753421 movies one + grep = easy :)
27 23:08:00 andy753421 sed 's/ //' cities.txt | grep -i '^[gsl][oau][asn][dtf][roa][ald][ona][mcj][iai][nsr][okg][moe]' :)
27 23:10:00 andy753421 *reads the log*, yea, the first one was annoying
27 23:11:00 octavious what you would see if the blue men group did a strib club show
27 23:11:00 octavious = blue dicks....hilarious
27 23:11:00 andy753421 were those things even flowers?
27 23:11:00 andy753421 i'm scared to google search for that
27 23:12:00 octavious so am i haha
27 23:34:00 andy753421 so what's a good cheap(ish) wireless router?
27 23:34:00 andy753421 i need to buy a new one because my roommates sucks
27 23:38:00 auchter wrt54g
27 23:39:00 auchter er, wrt54gl. it runs linux, and you can change firmware. i believe josh has one
27 23:39:00 andy753421 any version that's better than others
27 23:40:00 auchter i'm not sure, there's probably a website that details the differences
27 23:48:00 octavious i have an wrt54g v2
27 23:48:00 octavious its an older one, running OpenWRT
27 23:49:00 octavious i think the new ones dont work with the open firmwars
27 23:53:00 auchter if you want to hunt on ebay, these work great: http://www.soekris.com/net4521.htm
27 23:53:00 auchter i picked one up for $50 and used it as a router/access point for a while
27 23:54:00 auchter http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160173176778
27 23:54:00 auchter there's a very nice one, in fact.
27 23:55:00 andy753421 looks like i'd have to buy a separate wireless card though?
27 23:56:00 auchter yeah, unless you buy one which has one included
27 23:56:00 auchter but, on the plus side, you can run openbsd on it...
28 00:53:00 octavious so what is next weeks presentation going to be on, given there wasnt a presentation
29 01:08:00 octavious yay sundays...filled with homework
29 01:08:00 auchter saturdays as well...
29 01:09:00 TBoneULS this weekend didnt blow for the first time in awhile
29 01:09:00 TBoneULS i did approximatly nothing today
29 01:09:00 TBoneULS but ya, sundays suck in geeneral
29 01:09:00 auchter indeed. so, this looks pretty cool: http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49293507-1,00.htm
29 01:11:00 TBoneULS interesting
29 01:11:00 TBoneULS but seriously, the Eee PC?
29 01:11:00 TBoneULS wtf
29 01:11:00 auchter the name makes me cringe, but the size is nice...
29 01:12:00 auchter it'd be everything i want if it suspends and boots in a very short amount of time
29 01:13:00 TBoneULS ya i have no idea where they pulled that name from
29 01:13:00 TBoneULS also, has your internet been sucking a bit today?
29 01:14:00 octavious not on campus. seems okay
29 01:14:00 auchter it's been worse
29 01:14:00 auchter --- google.com ping statistics ---
29 01:14:00 auchter 25 packets transmitted, 22 received, 12% packet loss, time 23999ms
29 01:14:00 auchter rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 52.699/57.386/72.711/4.425 ms
29 01:14:00 TBoneULS hmm i should call and bitch
29 01:14:00 TBoneULS oh god
29 01:14:00 TBoneULS let me see
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS --- google.com ping statistics ---
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS 22 packets transmitted, 21 received, 4% packet loss, time 21017ms
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.188/35.776/48.127/4.382 ms, pipe 2
29 01:15:00 auchter hm...
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS why are we having that high of packet loss?
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS specifically you
29 01:15:00 auchter --- google.com ping statistics ---
29 01:15:00 auchter 140 packets transmitted, 132 received, 5% packet loss, time 4913ms
29 01:15:00 auchter rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.375/35.785/62.187/4.982 ms, pipe 6, ipg/ewma 35.347/35.039 ms
29 01:15:00 auchter that's not bad...
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS no
29 01:15:00 auchter yeah, i'm on business class cable, too
29 01:15:00 TBoneULS we're not
29 01:16:00 TBoneULS im considering it though
29 01:16:00 auchter it's worth it
29 01:16:00 TBoneULS meh
29 01:16:00 TBoneULS i thought so, but today was the only time i had an issue
29 01:16:00 auchter speakeasy.net/speedtest
29 01:16:00 TBoneULS but i do miss the 8mbit i have to myself at home
29 01:16:00 auchter i'm interested to see what residential gets compared to business
29 01:16:00 auchter i'm using the chicago server
29 01:17:00 TBoneULS its night, my roommates may be downloading something
29 01:17:00 TBoneULS ill try though
29 01:17:00 auchter Download Speed: 9712 kbps (1214 KB/sec transfer rate)
29 01:17:00 auchter Upload Speed: 1173 kbps (146.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
29 01:17:00 TBoneULS i loathe you
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS --- google.com ping statistics ---
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS 22 packets transmitted, 21 received, 4% packet loss, time 21017ms
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 31.188/35.776/48.127/4.382 ms, pipe 2
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS er wtf
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS Download Speed: 4922 kbps (615.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS Upload Speed: 367 kbps (45.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS better
29 01:18:00 auchter yeah... i'm liking my upload speed.
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS ya, but i havent had too many times when i'd want higher
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS except when i control my desktop from campus
29 01:18:00 TBoneULS then things lag
29 01:20:00 auchter yeah, this box that i'm on right now is on campus
29 01:21:00 TBoneULS huh
29 01:21:00 TBoneULS interesting
29 01:21:00 auchter i have a screen session that i keep running for irc, aim, and mail
29 01:21:00 auchter that way i can reattach from any computer
29 01:21:00 TBoneULS ah
29 01:22:00 TBoneULS im off to bed, early classes suck
29 16:42:00 povilus-desktop i should be on semi permanatly now
29 16:43:00 povilus-desktop woot for trilllian pro
29 16:52:00 octavious bah
29 16:52:00 octavious why would you use trillian
29 17:02:00 octavious :andy753421 : 10/29/07 21:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug
29 17:19:00 andy753421 I got AFS to autoload on phantom, but GDM is stupid and doesn't let anyone log in for some reason
29 17:19:00 andy753421 it just says there's an error or something and then crashes back to the login screen
29 17:19:00 andy753421 but XDM works, and console login works
29 17:24:00 auchter so, did you put xdm as default?
29 17:25:00 andy753421 yea
29 17:25:00 andy753421 but i'd like to not keep it that way
29 17:25:00 auchter why's that?
29 17:25:00 andy753421 because XDM doesn't give you a menu to choose your session type
29 17:25:00 auchter i could have sworn it did...
29 17:25:00 andy753421 i couldn't find it
29 17:26:00 andy753421 GDM's also prettier, which (unfortunately) could help keep people from rebooting it into windows
29 17:26:00 auchter yeah, agreed. i must be one of the few who actually likes the way xdm looks
29 17:27:00 andy753421 hehe, we should make a GDM theme to look exactly like XP
29 17:27:00 andy753421 and trick everyone into loggin in
29 17:27:00 auchter not a bad idea at all...
29 17:27:00 auchter we should get vmware server on there as well and virtualize windows
29 17:27:00 andy753421 yea
29 17:27:00 auchter do you know what would be awesome?
29 17:28:00 andy753421 ?
29 17:28:00 auchter if after you authenticate in linux, when you virtualize windows your authentication carries over
29 17:28:00 octavious SLiM = my login manager.
29 17:28:00 auchter i don't think it's possible, but it'd be nice
29 17:29:00 auchter i just boot to console... there are times when i don't really want X
29 19:04:00 TBoneULS what do i need to do to register? my irc skills are very very rusty
29 19:05:00 auchter /msg NickServ register password
29 19:07:00 TBoneULS that sounds familiar
29 19:07:00 TBoneULS thanks
29 19:08:00 auchter no problem
29 19:53:00 TBoneULS has anybody else noticed that the bugmenot domain was apparently allowed to expire?
29 19:53:00 TBoneULS wtf
29 20:50:00 auchter it seems to work fine for me
29 21:08:00 TBoneULS ya
29 21:08:00 TBoneULS now its working
29 21:09:00 TBoneULS it was down, and the wikipedia page says their domain registration expired today
29 21:09:00 TBoneULS very very weird
29 21:16:00 auchter strange...
29 21:21:00 auchter andy753421: phantom is still not using the fglrx drivers correctly
29 21:26:00 andy753421 how so?
29 21:26:00 andy753421 (have you tried it as root?)
29 21:26:00 auchter i will in a minute
29 21:26:00 auchter but fglrxinfo reports mesa
29 21:27:00 andy753421 it might be permission issue
29 21:27:00 auchter i added Mode "0666" under a DRI section and that didn't fix it
29 21:27:00 auchter i think i know the issue, there was a symlink to an old version
29 21:28:00 andy753421 ok
29 21:29:00 auchter ok, i think i fixed it.
29 21:29:00 andy753421 ok
29 21:29:00 andy753421 what was it?
29 21:29:00 andy753421 the symlink?
29 21:30:00 auchter yeah, there was a symlink from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so to /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
29 21:31:00 auchter the old 32-bit version
29 21:31:00 andy753421 alright
29 21:31:00 auchter OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
29 21:31:00 auchter much better now.
29 21:34:00 auchter well, now fgl_glxgears runs fine
29 22:50:00 octavious when i backed up my laptop.. i forgot to backup kernel .config
29 22:50:00 octavious so now i have to step through the whole thing again, and see if i can get everything working...argh
29 22:58:00 auchter octavious: meh, it's more fun than a conaps exam
29 22:59:00 octavious ha, this is true
29 22:59:00 octavious its sad that poker comes back on tv and i am watching it
29 22:59:00 octavious even though i have seen it already
29 23:00:00 Baty youre really watching it when you know the outcome?
29 23:00:00 octavious yeah, said, huh?
29 23:00:00 Baty ya, a bit
29 23:00:00 octavious sad*
29 23:00:00 octavious whatever. watching a kernel compile and watch poker
29 23:02:00 octavious fuck poker, good eats is on
29 23:02:00 Baty lol
29 23:05:00 Baty marks a dumbass
29 23:09:00 Baty marks no longer a dumbass
29 23:09:00 Zeta_RHIT Greetings and Salutations.
29 23:10:00 Baty why are you using correct capilization and punctuation?
29 23:10:00 Baty wtf dude
29 23:10:00 octavious ha
29 23:10:00 andy753421 since when has the last word in a sentence supposed to be capitalized?
29 23:10:00 Baty well, thats more of a problem
29 23:11:00 Zeta_RHIT uSeS rAnDoM cApItAlIzAtIoN
29 23:11:00 Baty because youre dumb
29 23:11:00 andy753421 Zeta_RHIT: every other letter doesn't count as random
29 23:11:00 Baty yes
29 23:11:00 Baty thats not even pseudo random
29 23:11:00 Baty at all
29 23:12:00 andy753421 perhaps it's a random method of non randomness?
29 23:13:00 Baty yes im sure thats it
29 23:13:00 povilusr_ mark is dumb
29 23:13:00 Baty yes, yes he is
29 23:13:00 Zeta_RHIT meh.
29 23:32:00 Zeta_RHIT IRC, land of the sarcastic and apathetic.
29 23:33:00 povilusr_ 300 sucks
29 23:33:00 octavious agreed.
29 23:33:00 povilusr_ also the 300 sucjs
29 23:33:00 povilusr_ sucks*
29 23:33:00 Baty ya 300 sucks
29 23:36:00 Zeta_RHIT agrees
29 23:36:00 Baty zeta needs to stop being a /me whore
29 23:39:00 Zeta_RHIT slaps baty with a large trout
29 23:39:00 Baty omfg
29 23:39:00 Baty baty will just slap you in person, moron
29 23:43:00 Zeta_RHIT Baty fails matlab.
29 23:44:00 Zeta_RHIT Utterly so.
30 00:11:00 andy753421 ARRGH
30 00:12:00 andy753421 apparently, rose defaulting to tcsh causes GDM to crash immediately after login without any error messages whatsoever
30 00:13:00 andy753421 in unrelated news.. phantom should now be working correctly..
30 00:16:00 Baty w00t
30 00:16:00 povilusr_ are kerberos logins working in the terminal
30 00:16:00 andy753421 yes, and it mounts AFS as your home dir
30 00:16:00 andy753421 you can ssh in if you like..
30 00:17:00 Baty ya
30 00:17:00 Baty it works
30 00:17:00 Baty w00t
30 02:24:00 auchter seems i missed a lot of activity on here.
30 02:24:00 andy753421 yea, you loose
30 02:24:00 auchter i just lost the game
30 02:25:00 octavious bah
30 02:25:00 octavious first restart
30 02:25:00 andy753421 i think the game lost me
30 02:25:00 octavious coming right up
30 02:25:00 octavious new kernel + lvm2...everything is going to explode
30 02:25:00 octavious brb
30 02:25:00 auchter good luck with that
30 02:25:00 andy753421 octavious: what version?
30 02:26:00 andy753421 i tried 2.6.24 because it has new bcm4309 drivers (b43 vs bcm43xx) but it totally exploded
30 02:26:00 octavious 2.6.23
30 02:26:00 octavious kamikaze sources
30 02:26:00 andy753421 fun fun
30 02:27:00 auchter kamikaze... i like where this is going
30 02:28:00 andy753421 has anyone tried doing suspend to ram/standby recently?
30 02:29:00 auchter i'm going to give it a try over break. i had hibernate working last year on our laptops, but not suspend
30 02:29:00 andy753421 linux/Documentation/power/states.txt looks interesting but i'm not sure how to use it
30 02:30:00 auchter suspend is one of the reasons i want the asus eee pc
30 02:30:00 auchter sub-15s boot time...
30 02:31:00 andy753421 hmm.. i had my laptop at ~20 seconds freshman year, but that was a bit unstable
30 13:39:00 auchter andy753421: it seems that nm-applet does not quit after someone logs in
30 13:39:00 auchter PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
30 13:39:00 auchter 8834 schiavsj 20 0 187m 5620 4460 R 100 0.1 229:32.36 nm-applet
30 13:43:00 andy753421 gnome leaves lots of stuff laying around
30 13:43:00 auchter yeah, but using up 100% of one core?
30 13:43:00 andy753421 did you kill it?
30 13:43:00 auchter yeah, i did
30 13:43:00 andy753421 oh, ok
30 13:44:00 andy753421 i'd bet it's something to do with AFS
30 13:44:00 andy753421 we can take it out of the default gnome session for a temp fix
30 13:44:00 auchter apparently that's the network manager applet
30 13:45:00 andy753421 yea
30 13:45:00 andy753421 so it's not really useful for a desktop computer
30 13:46:00 andy753421 but it'd still be nice to get a better fix
30 13:46:00 auchter my next goal is to try to get sso working in thunderbird
30 13:48:00 andy753421 that'd be cool
30 15:46:00 povilusr 300 is boring
30 15:46:00 Baty_ yes
30 15:48:00 Baty_ so so boring
30 15:52:00 auchter 300 is pretty horrible
30 15:52:00 Baty_ wait how would you know about the pain of 300?
30 15:52:00 auchter i was referring to a similarly titled movie
30 15:52:00 Baty_ oh
30 15:53:00 Baty_ never seen that
30 15:53:00 Baty_ i was refering to ECE300
30 15:53:00 Baty_ where i am now
30 15:53:00 auchter yeah, i just figured that out
30 15:53:00 povilusr 300 is horrible
30 15:53:00 povilusr 2 hours of bad porn + 20-30 of ausome killing
30 15:53:00 Baty_ im glad this is used for such useful communication
30 15:54:00 povilusr 20-30 min*
30 15:54:00 povilusr hey baty, your dumb
30 15:54:00 povilusr dude, ripple
30 15:54:00 Baty_ hey sam, you used the wrong your
30 15:54:00 povilusr hey bary i dont care about grammer you nazi
30 15:54:00 povilusr baty = bary
30 15:54:00 povilusr ha ha
30 15:54:00 Baty_ dude there's ripples
30 15:54:00 Baty_ and stuff
30 15:55:00 Baty_ dude dont make that comaprison
30 15:55:00 povilusr he he, eve
30 15:55:00 Baty_ omg you are playing eve in class
30 15:55:00 Baty_ nice work
30 15:56:00 povilusr auto pilot
30 15:56:00 povilusr no ned to pay attention
30 15:56:00 povilusr to ither unfortunatly
30 15:56:00 Baty_ ya
30 15:57:00 povilusr only 13 jumps
30 15:57:00 povilusr also yay on 83% of matlab
30 15:58:00 povilusr its a rafce between eve and matlab
30 15:58:00 Baty_ wow
30 15:58:00 povilusr 84
30 15:58:00 povilusr 12 jumps
30 15:59:00 Baty_ someones going to kick you eventually
30 15:59:00 auchter i'm so lost right now.
30 16:00:00 povilusr welcom 300 our version of 300, you have no idea what is going on and you dont care
30 16:00:00 povilusr welcome to our version of 300*
30 16:02:00 povilusr yay more people
30 16:02:00 povilusr 300 sucks
30 16:02:00 Baty_ who dost this be?
30 16:02:00 povilusr wow your dumb baty
30 16:02:00 povilusr 98 and 11
30 16:02:00 povilusr looks like matlab wins
30 16:02:00 Baty_ yay matlab
30 16:03:00 Baty_ now you can make arrays taht start at 1
30 16:03:00 bolandmg Matlab vs. The World
30 16:03:00 bolandmg Round 1... Fight!
30 16:03:00 auchter so, what's this i hear about matlab?
30 16:03:00 povilusr matlab finished instaling before my ship warped 3 systems
30 16:04:00 povilusr in eve
30 16:04:00 Baty_ and matlab sucks
30 16:04:00 Baty_ a lot
30 19:45:00 auchter
31 18:48:00 TBoneULS sam
31 18:48:00 TBoneULS get on aim
31 19:08:00 octavious bossy
31 19:09:00 andy753421 anyone know how to set up fuse to work with regular users?
31 19:09:00 andy753421 on fedora (phantom) it looks like it's expecting people to be in the 'fuse' group
31 19:21:00 collinjc Hey Sam, are you there?
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