tommos1 : 05/01/08 00:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:02 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommos1 : tommost : 05/01/08 00:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) kleinjt : 05/01/08 00:09 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:17 FYI, you can use CCSM to set keys for toggling always on top, appears on all desktops, etc. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:17 Also, focus follows mouse works just fine for me. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:18 You can configure it in System -> Preferences -> Windows #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:19 Key bindings for always on top, sticky and fullscreen can be set in the CCSM panel "Extra WM Actions". kleinjt : 05/01/08 00:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:20 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:22 In the CCSM "General" panel you can also configure focus-follows-mouse in the "Focus & Raise Behavior" tab. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:24 tommos1: way to make me feel like a gigantic failure #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:24 ACTION bows tommos1 : 05/01/08 00:24 >< NICK : tommost kleinjt : 05/01/08 00:25 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net povilusr_ : 05/01/08 00:25 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net povilusr_kaaba : 05/01/08 00:25 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net TBoneULS : 05/01/08 00:25 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:25 Netsplit? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:25 i imagine, they were all on niven #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:25 quite a large one #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 now we can talk about them behind their backs, and they'll never know, unless they read the log #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 quick, let's talk about them #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 damn #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 ACTION whispers: povilusr sucks at typing #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 wish euthonizing ignorent sons'of'bitches was legal, or just dumb fucks #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 Is it just me, or is IRC rather poorly architect-ed? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 ironically, povilusr_desktop is still here #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 Morasique: you go too far. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 ACTION yells povilusr sucks at typing #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:26 speaking of going too far #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:27 ACTION blinks? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:27 damn. extraneous question mark. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:27 i'm actually pretty much used to it Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 00:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o Zaszamonde : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:27 Who put a question mark on my teleprompter? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:27 it's ok, it keeps us on our toes. now i'll be sitting here three days from now thinking "i wonder if he really did blink" kleinjt : 05/01/08 00:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 test? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 Hello #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 Test failed. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 Welcome back. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 er. yes, your messages do work #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 fsil #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 Baty's a miserable failure #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 fyi #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 fitting a miserable failure #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 how? besides the usual reasons #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:28 he thinks 3 people are in the room and that we got disconnected #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 Should I kick him? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 er. you should send him to the wikipedia article for netsplits #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 I'm still on it #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 i assume there is one Blazeix : 05/01/08 00:29 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : Netsplit! TBoneULS : 05/01/08 00:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o Zeta_RHIT : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 ya so wtf happened? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 netsplit :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 Morasique kicked you Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:29 >< MODE #rhlug -o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 s/:)/ Morasique : 05/01/08 00:29 >< KICK #rhlug Blazeix : oops Blazeix : 05/01/08 00:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:29 that was the weirdest netsplit ever though markbot : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug -o Blazeix : ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 I did this #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 er. because you were on the small end? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 /mode #rhlug -o markbot Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : markbot2 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug markbot3 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 please no Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug -o markbot : ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot2 : ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot3 : markbot3 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< PART #rhlug : markbot3 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug markbot2 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< PART #rhlug : markbot2 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot3 : ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot2 : markbot3 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : Don't deop me, foo! markbot4 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot4 : markbot : 05/01/08 00:30 >< PART #rhlug : markbot : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot : markbot5 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot5 : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 WTF markbot6 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o markbot6 : markbot2 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection markbot3 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection markbot6 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection markbot4 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection markbot : 05/01/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection markbot5 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 woah #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 ok, I should fix that rr72 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +b mark*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 ok gone? rr72 : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug -b mark*!*@* : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o Zeta_RHIT : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 i was fine with that ban #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:30 /mode #rhlug -b markbot Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:31 >< MODE #rhlug -b markbot!*@* : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:31 >< MODE #rhlug -b markbot2!*@* : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:31 >< MODE #rhlug -b markbot3!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 fail. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 fail #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 epic #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 Zeta_RHIT: wtf? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 yeah #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 that was a fail povilusr_ : 05/01/08 00:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/01/08 00:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug irc.freenode.net : 05/01/08 00:31 >< MODE #rhlug +oo povilusr_ povilusr_kaaba : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 typo ftl #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:31 that really wasn't a typo fail rr72 : 05/01/08 00:31 >< MODE #rhlug +b %Zeta*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 rofl #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 wait the +o over rides that iirc Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 00:32 >< KICK #rhlug rr72 : stop that Morasique : 05/01/08 00:32 >< MODE #rhlug -b %Zeta*!*@* : auchter : 05/01/08 00:32 >< MODE #rhlug +b rr72*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 thats Zaszamonde #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 thanks #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 auchter: ouch auchter : 05/01/08 00:32 >< MODE #rhlug -b rr72*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 ya i agree wtf was all that #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 ooo #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 all what? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:32 the banning nonsense #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 i didn't see anything #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 what banning? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 banning? what's banning? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 ? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 this might be the greatest level of confusion ever experienced on this channel #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 i hate you all. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 banner must be down #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 TBoneULS: glad you agree. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 HITLER Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:33 >< MODE #rhlug -o TBoneULS : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:33 is that the first godwin? Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 00:34 >< MODE #rhlug -o Zeta_RHIT : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 i'm sure hitler has been mentioned before #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 meh, my goal was complete #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 We need to make a new channel now. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 I need no opness #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 oh im going to eye punc you #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 sorry, my bad #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 I can't recall that, actually. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 why do we need a new channel? Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 00:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 thanks #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 we really, really need a sarcasm mark #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 you're welcome #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 TBoneULS can't handle this #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 well, it's the first godwin of the month #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:34 i was going to kick him, but i dont think its worth it #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:35 Someone should check the logs. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:35 It really may be the first one. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:35 i actually seem to recall a prior godwin last month #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:35 i pulled a godwin last month Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:36 >< PART #rhlug : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 00:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o Zeta_RHIT : #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:36 cause rr72 was bugging me #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:36 Zaszamonde said hitler 04/23/08 04:17, that was the only other one #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:36 At this rate, the log this month will exceed 17 megabytes #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:37 woot #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:38 The HTML version has topped 2 megs. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:38 and as we know, that's the only version that matters #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:39 i find the html version unreadable, i just rely on the text one #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:39 it loads faster as well #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:39 Yeah, we should really have weekly logs. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:39 So tommost should implement paging #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:39 Or I could ad a |tail option to the HTML version. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 Alas, andy753422 stands in the way. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 apparently rr72 still thinks he's banned #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 or, you could run your own log #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 i see no reason to fix this #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 *cue andy753422's maniacal laughter Blazeix : 05/01/08 00:40 >< NICK : andy753421 #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 hahahaha andy753421 : 05/01/08 00:40 >< NICK : Blazeix #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:40 auchter: I was working on that. Then I got busy. With things like robotics. Hint hint. povilusr_kaaba : 05/01/08 00:40 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net povilusr_ : 05/01/08 00:40 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:41 I probably should have made that more maniacal #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:41 #rhlug > robotics #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:42 Sweet. First! #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:42 um. in the log? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:42 Yup. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:43 i had first in march. it was a magical experience #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:43 and there was a 16 minute window we could have exploited. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:43 although it's somewhat tarnished since you were tommos1 and not tommost #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:43 True. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:43 'l' is basically a 't'. if you squint Morasique : 05/01/08 00:43 >< NICK : tommos1 #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:43 i'm the best! tommos1 : 05/01/08 00:43 >< NICK : Morasique #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:47 i miss rr72 :'( #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:47 this.map("I do too"); #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:47 this.that! #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:47 import this #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:47 from that #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:48 Morasique: I think that might be syntactically incorrect. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:48 i think your MOM might be syntactically incorrect #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:48 THAT JUST HAPPENED povilusr_ : 05/01/08 00:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 00:48 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr_ : Blazeix : 05/01/08 00:48 >< NICK : Blazeixmm #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:48 i wish vi users payed their rent #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:48 on time #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:48 who is this? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:49 vi users narrows it down to everyone i know minus like 3 Blazeixmm : 05/01/08 00:49 >< NICK : Blazeix #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:50 i see #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:50 the rent is pretty much on time #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:51 i wish emacs users had cars that didn't sound like a small motorboat #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:51 rofl #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:51 You heard it too? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:51 are you really rolling on the floor? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:51 really? #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 i doubt that #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 pics or it didn't happen #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 yes. really. #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 i was around 7 feet away from it at the time #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 well, it sounds much less pathetic than lol #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 no. it doesn't #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:52 roflcopter is clearly superior #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:53 lol screams "I'm a 13 year old on AIM" to me #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:53 i'm fine with that #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:53 yes, while rofl is a beacon of maturity #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:53 xomgroflcopterwtfbbq! #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:53 rofl mao zedong #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:53 not really, but it's a little better :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:56 i'm trying to train myself to get used to focus on mouse, it's not working #rhlug : 05/01/08 00:56 i keep closing the wrong thing #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:00 also, presentation tomorrow? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:01 you/andy should update us on gnunet #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:01 i think we've both been defeated at this point #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:01 i'm sure we can work on it a bit tomorrow, but i doubt either of us has anything to present on collinjc : 05/01/08 01:03 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:03 povilusr is bored and looks mischevious #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:03 this can't end well andy753422 : 05/01/08 01:03 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:04 small motorbot? slightly amplifiyed 4 cylinder small_motorbot : 05/01/08 01:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o small_motorbot : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:04 heh small_motorbot2 : 05/01/08 01:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o small_motorbot2 : small_motorbot : 05/01/08 01:05 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection small_motorbot2 : 05/01/08 01:05 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 argh, I still need to fix that #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 the part where they leave without annoying us? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 yes, get right on that #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 heh #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 are you rofling? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 nope #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 No, the part where I have to kill eclipse before I spawn too many and get kicked off freenode #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 not this time #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:05 darn #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:06 what are you writing these bots in? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:06 java #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:06 wow. that may be unprecidented #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:07 at least it's not vba povilusr_ : 05/01/08 01:11 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net tommost : 05/01/08 01:11 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:11 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net Mishtal : 05/01/08 01:11 >< QUIT : kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:11 muahaha #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:11 Zeta_RHIT: There are a depressing number of pertinent hits on google for VB irc bots kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/01/08 01:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug irc.freenode.net : 05/01/08 01:12 >< MODE #rhlug +oo kleinjt Mishtal : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:12 ugh povilusr_ : 05/01/08 01:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug irc.freenode.net : 05/01/08 01:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr_ : rrmm : 05/01/08 01:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o rrmm : rrmm : 05/01/08 01:14 >< KICK #rhlug Zaszamonde : rrmm rrmm : 05/01/08 01:14 >< PART #rhlug : "L8r" #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:14 wow #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:14 guerilla attack #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:14 auchter: i said wow outloud literally a second before you said it #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:15 Morasique: i know. Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 01:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:15 >< MODE #rhlug +o Zaszamonde : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:15 ACTION cowers #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:15 heh, beally left his computer unlocked #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:15 so i logged him back in. Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 01:15 >< NICK : unlocked_compute kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:15 >< MODE #rhlug -o unlocked_compute : kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:15 >< MODE #rhlug +v unlocked_compute : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:15 ahh, I spelled it wrong. #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:16 or maybe its being cut short #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:16 ...so what happened while i was gone? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:16 hmmm #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:16 a bit i see unlocked_compute : 05/01/08 01:16 >< NICK : Zaszamonde Morasique : 05/01/08 01:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o Zaszamonde : collinjc : 05/01/08 01:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:20 >< MODE #rhlug +o collinjc : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:21 ACTION senses photoshop #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:21 ? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 that's a useless superpower #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 ACTION senses panda bears #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 this is justified, btw #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 /kick povilusr_ Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 01:22 >< KICK #rhlug povilusr_ : Zeta_RHIT #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 you blow at slash commands Zeta_RHIT #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 that made more sense #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 keep the offline romance offline zeta #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 good thing you clarified it Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 01:22 >< KICK #rhlug povilusr_desktop : Zeta_RHIT #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 so.....anything you two want to share? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 they make counseling for this #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:22 yeah, for some reason pidgin inserts a space at the beginning of pasted lines #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:23 that's not exactly what i meant, but thanks #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:23 http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsci0498mg6.jpg #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:23 should've kicked him too #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:24 mot rofling but #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:24 not* Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 01:24 >< MODE #rhlug +b TBoneULS!*@* : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 01:24 >< KICK #rhlug TBoneULS : Zeta_RHIT Morasique : 05/01/08 01:24 >< MODE #rhlug -b TBoneULS!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:24 that's totally shopped, zeta doesn't have any straight porn #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:24 fuck off, you :P #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:24 the woman is pretty much a dead giveaway tommost : 05/01/08 01:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:24 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : andy753421 : 05/01/08 01:25 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:25 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:31 Zeta_RHIT: who is DoHS? you banned them forever ago #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:32 Morasique: department of homeland security #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:32 oh, i love them Morasique : 05/01/08 01:32 >< MODE #rhlug -b DoHS!*@* : auchter : 05/01/08 01:32 >< MODE #rhlug +b DHS!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:32 THEY'RE WATCHING US NOW!!! auchter : 05/01/08 01:32 >< MODE #rhlug +b NSA!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:32 it's too late, they already got in #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:32 oh wait, never mind auchter : 05/01/08 01:32 >< MODE #rhlug +b FBI!*@* : auchter : 05/01/08 01:33 >< MODE #rhlug +b CIA!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:33 take that government! now you'll have to read luglog to know what we're saying Morasique : 05/01/08 01:33 >< MODE #rhlug +b COMMIES!*@* : Blazeix : 05/01/08 01:33 >< MODE #rhlug +b United_States_P*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:33 ohhh Blazeix : 05/01/08 01:34 >< MODE #rhlug -b United_States_P*!*@* : Morasique : 05/01/08 01:34 >< MODE #rhlug +b cheoweth!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:34 just in case... Morasique : 05/01/08 01:34 >< MODE #rhlug +b chenoweth!*@* : Morasique : 05/01/08 01:34 >< MODE #rhlug -b cheoweth!*@* : Blazeix : 05/01/08 01:34 >< MODE #rhlug +b USPostalService!*@* : kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:35 >< MODE #rhlug +b cthulhu!*@* : Morasique : 05/01/08 01:35 >< MODE #rhlug +b CPEs!*@* : auchter : 05/01/08 01:35 >< MODE #rhlug -b cthulu!*@* : Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 01:35 >< MODE #rhlug -b CPEs!*@* : auchter : 05/01/08 01:35 >< MODE #rhlug -b yogsothoth!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:38 I banned the USPS. Expect lost packets. Blazeix : 05/01/08 01:38 >< QUIT : "Har!" #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:38 and i so wanted to kick him for that #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:38 you could still ban Blazeix : 05/01/08 01:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:39 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Morasique : 05/01/08 01:39 >< KICK #rhlug Blazeix : you deserve this #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:39 that felt good Blazeix : 05/01/08 01:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:39 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:40 >< PART #rhlug : "/join 0" Chenoweth1 : 05/01/08 01:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:44 >< MODE #rhlug +o Chenoweth1 : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:44 not cool. not cool at all #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 i actually believed for a moment it was him #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 Doo, doo doo doo doo doo doooooo! #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 also not cool #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 ? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 does chenowith have a boot up noise or something? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 it's the chenoweth song #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:45 That's the song chenoweth sings Chenoweth1 : 05/01/08 01:45 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:46 i'm rather confused #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:46 chenoweth randomly sings a little tune when he's doing stuff. it's very odd #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:47 that would worry me. #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:47 it worries us all. #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:47 it worries me greatly. i might mention his slightly insanity on the course eval, but i would feel bad if he got committed #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:47 the hoove talked about his stalking years in high school #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:48 Zaszamonde: that statement, along with this picture http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~hoover/ has me greatly disturbed #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:48 and you haven't even talked to him, think how it is for those who have to suffer his class #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:48 That little kid does not look happy. #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:49 we should refrain from speculating why #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:49 ACTION looks at auchter suspiciously povilusr_ : 05/01/08 01:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr_ : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:49 what? why are you looking at me? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:50 you probably abused that kid #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:50 auchter: You molest little kids. #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:51 now someday auchter will be up for a job and his potential employer will google "auchter" and find this log #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:51 i don't see myself anywhere in that picture #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:51 you're the hoove #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:51 haha, i should hope no one confuses me fore him #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:51 aucther = the hoove? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:52 id beleive it #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:52 no. We were not talking about anybody named 'aucther' #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:52 plus i don't know how to beleive something #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:52 auchter = aucther = the hoove? #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:52 i actually had to slow down to misspell believe, it took longer to force my brain to do it wrong #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:52 and id's are hardly factoring into this #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:55 so is rr72 permabanned? j/c #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:55 don't exactly care #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:55 i banned him for less than a minute #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:55 no, i unbanned him a few minutes later #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:55 ah, kk #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:55 allowing him to strike at Zaszamonde with great vengeance #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:56 ....and furious anger #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:56 auchter : 05/01/08 00:32 >< MODE #rhlug +b rr72*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:56 someone should write a bot that sits here and kicks him in a random period of tim from login, say between 1-15 minutes #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:56 auchter : 05/01/08 00:32 >< MODE #rhlug -b rr72*!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:56 *time #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:56 oh. i thought i unbanned him kleinjt : 05/01/08 01:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 01:57 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:57 nope, but apparently that was long enough for him to think it was a permanent ban #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:57 i think it's more that his ego is permanently damaged #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:57 Morasique apparently messaged him telling him he was no longer banned. #rhlug : 05/01/08 01:58 A long time ago. TBoneULS : 05/01/08 02:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 02:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS : kleinjt : 05/01/08 02:31 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/01/08 02:36 /dcc send Zaszamonde #rhlug : 05/01/08 02:37 fail. #rhlug : 05/01/08 02:37 fail! #rhlug : 05/01/08 02:54 i've been using maximumize to simulate a tiling wm, i feel very auchtery. also, i plan to use the word auchtery on a regular basis #rhlug : 05/01/08 02:55 auchtery, (adjective): amazing in all regards; godlike #rhlug : 05/01/08 02:56 we can all agree to adopt our own definitions, so we can all feel happy when i use it collinjc : 05/01/08 02:59 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Zaszamonde : 05/01/08 03:03 >< QUIT : Mishtal : 05/01/08 03:03 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:06 auchtery or autchery? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:06 autchery is the opposite of auchtery #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:06 for example: auchter is very autchery #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:06 Morasique: i think you just broke the universe Mishtal : 05/01/08 03:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 03:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o Mishtal : #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:07 /exec $((1/0)) andy753422 : 05/01/08 03:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 03:08 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753422 : kleinjt : 05/01/08 03:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 03:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : andy753421 : 05/01/08 03:20 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) povilusr_kaaba : 05/01/08 03:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 03:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr_kaaba : #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:36 junors: if i run for sga will you sign my petetion to get on the ballot? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:37 Sure. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:37 povilusr_kaaba: is there bribery involved? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:37 I withdrawal my "sure" until andy753422's question is answered. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:37 good call andy753422 : 05/01/08 03:38 >< NICK : andy753421 #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:40 so, who's running for freshmen and sophomore classes? we need a complete LUG presidency #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:40 One again, I nominate Jay for the Freshman class. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:40 :D it would be awesome if we could sweep all the elections, i doubt anybody would notice until it was over #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:41 tommost: ah, yes, that's obvious. i'm sure he was already planning on running #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:41 I'd hope so. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:41 no briber, but my campaign poster is going to be a picture a name and a I wont waste your money #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:41 thats it #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:41 povilusr_: nice #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:42 i dont know #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:42 hmm.. i suppose i can run for skinner hall representative.. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:42 povilusr_kaaba: what will you be spending the money on? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:42 there is a candidate running on doing whatever he can do to get free/cheap booze #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:42 Morasique: the lug, obviously #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:42 well, i want to hear it from the candidate :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:43 octavious: hm, but i thought sga has pretty good safeguards against that #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:43 they don't have any safeguards against sam being an ass at every single one of their meetings #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:43 yeah, the trick is to not pay for it directly #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:43 auchter: i don't remember anything about it in their constitution #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:43 pay for like cover charges at bars and stuff #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:43 ah, well i was wrong then #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:44 after they cover the cover charge, the idea is that the booze would be cheap #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:44 this years senior class did it somewhere #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:44 they certainly pay for food/drinks for other events, and i doubt they've technically specified a list of 'allowed' and 'not allowed' item #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:44 after next year, "$3000 servers" is going to be on the not allowed list #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:44 where they covered the rediculous cover charge, and then there was 40 cent pitchers of beer #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:44 but then it will be too late #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:45 sga is a yearlong post, right? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:46 povilusr_: If you make it, you should spend your class money on a VPN server. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:46 Make all the commuters happy. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:47 andy753421: How is that laser following code coming? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:47 povilusr_ will lead the SGA on a long and bloody crusade against IAIT #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:48 alright, i ended up responding to some e-mail about the PLC server being broken again first though #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:48 and i realized that we never made a python interface for the laser detection code #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:48 Would you like me to do that? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:48 (Anything to put off probablility.) #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:48 nah, i'm almost done with that #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:49 Oh, I fixed up the example code. It's now beautifully killable. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:49 alright, which thread library is it using? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:49 thread #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:49 alright kleinjt : 05/01/08 03:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:50 bold choice #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:50 I'm going to do some work on ThreadComponent -- I'll give it a nice method for spawning threads that deals with their exceptions, etc. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:50 Morasique: vs. threading, which has a lock that makes threads immortal. #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:50 Python threading isn't so great... #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:50 wait, what is ThreadComponent? #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:50 oh yeah, i actually remember seeing those libraries #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:51 It's at rb.core.component.ThreadComponent #rhlug : 05/01/08 03:51 er, alright.. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:06 It's rare, but once in a while you really just want a do..while loop. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:06 ACTION sighs #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:06 i just used one a few days ago, for the first time i can remember #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:06 ahh, real programing #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:07 to bad you can't do assignment in pythons while loop #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:07 What do you mean? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:07 ACTION glares at python and throws a large stick #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:07 ACTION is very confused #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 while line = file.gets(): #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 Oh, there. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 for line in file: pass #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 ACTION throws a large stick at tommost #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 ACTION ducks #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 Hehe. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:08 i'm just going to have to take this opportunity to laugh at python Morasique : 05/01/08 04:09 >< KICK #rhlug tommost : duck this tommost : 05/01/08 04:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 04:09 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:10 auchter: why are you laughing at python, i liked tommost's way more #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:10 Still, it's easy enough (and still quite clean) to do what I wanted with a while True. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:12 Morasique: because tommost's way only works on objects that support 'iterators' #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:12 i was halfway through typing a response, but andy's was more articulate #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:12 python owns at iterators though #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:12 Morasique: that's a complete lie tommost : 05/01/08 04:12 >< MODE #rhlug +v Morasique : #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:12 what? nonsense, that's one of my favorite parts of python #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:13 between generators and __iter__ you're pretty much always good to go #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:13 in a better language: between functions and functions you're pretty much good to go #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:14 He shows his true colors: he wants to write in Lisp! #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:14 ok, i'll give you that python's lambdas suck worse than auchter's window manager #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:14 Phrased that way, I'll agree. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:14 tommost: deep down, everyone wants to write in lisp #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:14 Yeah, I do to. I need to learn it this summer... #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:15 there's a group doing it in plp #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:15 well, i'm not particularly talking about lisp/scheme (i hate the syntax) but you can do just as well with C functions #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:15 you'll learn scheme in plc, it's close enough to make you happy #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:15 Yeah, I was talking about learning Scheme. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:15 To make PLC a bit easier, maybe. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:15 The quarter I'm planning on taking it looks really intense. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:16 My quarter might possibly be the best quarter ever. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:16 I'll have senior project on Wednesday, and only an econ class and AI ther other days #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:17 Blazeix: i hate you. next quarter is going to be hell for me #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:17 I only need to take 12 credit hours per quarter here on out. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:17 once i deleted all the math major stuff from my schedule i realized my senior year is empty. i should work on that #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:18 i have 21 more classes that i need to take... #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:19 auchter: be a badass, take them all at once #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:20 i was going to try to overload each quarter next year (3 ECE + 2 HSS), but scheduling that is not easy #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:22 How can you need to take so many HSS courses? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:22 i have 2 GL, 2 SL, and 2 VA classes that i need to take, in addition to RH330 #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:22 Yesh. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:22 wow. that's depressing #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:23 i have one GL left to take, they always suck #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:23 i recommend a language at some point, it's an easy way to get humanities #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:23 Morasique: Take Japanes Culture. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:23 auchter: you should take a language; you can substitute one language in for each slot #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:23 tommost: i tried last time it was offered, i didn't get in #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 i've had around 4 years of spanish, but that was a few years ago and i pretty much despised it #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 I did; it's both easy and interesting. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 auchter: I'm in the same situation with languages. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 when is it offered? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 auchter: the spanish here is a joke #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 It was this quarter. I don't know otherwise. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 i hate languages too, but it was fairly easy, i only took 2 #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 german would be a very logical language for me to learn, as i have family in germany that i visit, and know several people who speak it #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 We were still reviewing what I did in high school up to spanish 6. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 Blazeix: now that sounds good.. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:24 i actually liked german when i took it in high school, i probably should've taken it here #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:29 also, who do i talk to to declare a CS minor? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:29 i imagine mellor #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:29 auchter: you have to climb up the smoke stack and shout it out to the world #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:30 andy753421: or i could use one of those nifty sirens #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:30 true, in other news.. Who's presenting tomorrow? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:30 already asked, everyone dodged the question #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:31 dodged eh.. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:31 ...by suggesting we should give a presentation on gnunet #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:31 i'm pretty sure neither of us has figured out how to use that yet #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:31 it's ok, you've got a good 17 hours #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:31 i too am pretty certain of that fact #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:32 Morasique: i'm busy figuring out multicycle loops on the c6000 #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:33 i'd much rather be playing with gnunet, though tommost : 05/01/08 04:35 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:44 so someone needs to present tomorrow #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:44 i vote auchter #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 you guys should ahve a presentation on zfs #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 unless thats already been done tommost : 05/01/08 04:45 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 04:45 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 zfs is the shti #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 shti* #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 dammit #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 wow #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 it hasn't been, and i'm pretty sure i'm the only one using ZFS (unless you are quark) #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 in which case you should give the presentation #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 I vote auchter too #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:45 I've messed with it a very little bit #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 I don't know enough to give a presentation #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 nor do i #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 :/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 it would be a sweet presentation #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 research it and give a presentation tomorrow #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 i'll decline #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:46 I don't even go to your meetings #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:47 not that I don't share the intrest #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:47 i'm just pretty lazy #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:47 and usually forgety #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:47 forget* #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:47 might I add that forgety is an awesome word #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:47 Use that in conjunction with auchtery and you have a winning combination. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 :{ #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 :P* #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 I am having a serious typing problem tonight #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 so, this * business needs to stop #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 Pointers? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 use regular expressions, that was i can find out easily what's being replaced #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 shall I use the s/blah/blah format? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 lol #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 yes, you can even be clever and make use of all the features #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:48 remember the trailing slash though, auchter gets sad if you don't #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 its not necessary #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 unless you need other arguments #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 like this: Buffalo, Buffalo #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 it is for sed #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 but I guess you already knew that #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 s/Buffalo$/New York/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 s/^#/BLANK LINE/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:49 I do that a lot #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:50 it causes mad parse errors #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:50 erm #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:50 I guess its actually #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:51 #rhlug : 02/18/08 20:33 sed -i 's/private |protected /public /' *.java #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:51 #rhlug : 02/18/08 20:33 that does wonders for cutting down on unneeded code #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:51 s/^$/^#/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:51 is what I meant #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:52 i'm pretty sure curt would murder me if he ever saw what i did to all the code he gave us #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:52 what code is this? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:53 whatever he gave us in 230 that required me to jump through hoops to try to access variables #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:53 that he had hidden away in some class somewhere #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:53 How did you get away with that? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:54 Claude has them not modify most of his provided code. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:54 And they don't even turn it in. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:54 curt didn't have that provision, and the graders were apparently lazy andy753421 : 05/01/08 04:55 >< MODE #rhlug -ooo Morasique bolandmg ferrelaj : andy753421 : 05/01/08 04:55 >< MODE #rhlug -ooo luglog Mishtal povilusr_ : andy753421 : 05/01/08 04:55 >< MODE #rhlug -ooo povilusr_kaaba quark tommost : andy753421 : 05/01/08 04:55 >< MODE #rhlug -o Zeta_RHIT : #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:55 no ops until you give a presentation! #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:55 :'( #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:55 andy753421: well done #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:55 :'( #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 shit #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 I can't; Greasemonkey hasn't been released yet. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 I should give a presentation #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 Yes!#rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 on zfs #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 for ops #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 can i give a presentation some Other week? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 i have an exam tomorrow #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 and also one on friday #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 yeah me too #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 sucks to be you guys #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 I have 10 exams #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 tommorrow #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 exams are inconsequential #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:56 you should just give me ops anyways #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 i can give an amusing shell tricks/zsh one tomorrow if nobody else has anything #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 Morasique: sounds good to me #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 andy753421: and when is luglog giving a presentation? #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 I can do a live demonstration: Tom tries to get the Sun Rays working. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 i would enjoy that thoroughly #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 I'll need someone to help me carry them to the lab. #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 cancel that #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 depends on the shell tricks, i already gave one on a lot of ZSH stuff #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:57 tommost: we don't have several hours to watch you suffer and threaten suicide #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:58 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Zsh_%28presentation%29 #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:58 well, this wasn't actually my idea, people wanted me to do one last week for some reason. i can do things that aren't on that list i imagine #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:58 if somebody else has another presentation go for it though. we seem to be desperate #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:59 I was mentioning something like that earlier. I was thinking it'd be useful to know stuff about different ZSH options like autocd and whatnot #rhlug : 05/01/08 04:59 auchter: i have all the time in the world if it's for watching tommost suffer and threaten suicide #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:00 i'm trying to make it a not-zsh specific presentation, except for specific zsh things that happen to be awesome #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:00 and stuff like zsh svn autocomplete #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:00 i don't know what the balance will be #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:00 autocomplete ftw #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:03 another idea, someone could give a comparison of all these newfangled linux distros (and tell me how to do similar things, such as updating packages, in each) #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:03 I think that auchter should give a presentation on XUL. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:04 that'd be cool. I've been meaning to look at XUL #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:04 Blazeix: You just volunteered! #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:04 tommost: notice how he has op? #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:04 auchter: I want you to do it. I have no doubt that XPCOM will pain you immensely. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 I'd have to learn XUL first though #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 the X makes me thing XML is involved #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 You bet. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 Namespaces and all. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 XUL -- XML User Interface Language. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 Of Mozilla fame. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 i'm sure you know, or can infer, my feelings about XML, right? #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:05 Yup. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:06 I recently downloaded SymphonyOS, I've been wanting to try out their Mezzo environment. If its cool, I could give a presentation about that. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:06 ACTION looks XUL up on wikipedia #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:06 ACTION does the same #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:06 while the XML sucks, it is named after ghostbusters... #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:07 "XUL has no formal specification or interoperable non-Gecko implementations.", "The Gecko layout engine provides the only complete implementation of XUL." #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:07 uh, yeah, sounds great to me! #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:07 On a more serious note, someone should give a presentation on Linux sound. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 And how it is messed up. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 And how to fix it. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 And PulseAudio. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 i thought your sound worked fine #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 tommost: how is it messed up? #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 i can give a presentation on pulseaudio and how my machine sucks at using it #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 alsa is good, the 30 odd things built ontop of alsa seem to suck #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 Too many "standards". #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 Exactly. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:08 alsa works perfectly fine for me #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:09 Give a presentation on getting 5.1 to work in it. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:09 once there's decent music in 5.1, i'll start to care #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:10 s/in/released in/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:17 so wait, am i going tomorrow or someone else? there was suddenly a flurry of volunteers #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:21 Well, I don't think I'll be able to learn XUL or mezzo overnight, so I probably can't present tomorrow #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:21 I'm willing to present 9th (shudder) week though andy753421 : 05/01/08 05:21 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:22 wait, planning ahead? what is this nonsense #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:22 Don't worry, I'll make the presentation 10th period the day I'm presenting. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:22 I'm really just planning procrastination. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:24 By the power invested in me by the high position of LUG Note taker, I pronounce that you will be giving a presentation on ZSH tomorrow #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:24 If you wish. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:24 good strong finish there #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:24 and its not an inconvenience. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:24 i'm trying not to duplicate andy's presentation, so i'll aim for mostly generic shell stuff #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:25 and i'll try not to insult the other shells too much #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:25 other window managers are fair game though #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:25 I think Andy's presentation was mostly cross-shell syntax #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:25 Morasique: You should find a terminal emulator that does fire text. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:26 heck yes i should #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:26 Blazeix: hmm. well, i'll have to look at it, i just glanced at the wiki page andy753421 : 05/01/08 05:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 05:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : povilusr_ : 05/01/08 05:32 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:37 i'm beginning to suspect that many people in here are no more than mac fanboys #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:37 based on the rampant mac hatred? #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:37 based on the rampant eye-candy praising #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 eye candy isn't equivalent to macs, i think i resent that :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 ACTION agrees with auchter #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 It's true. I made my window's drop shadows bigger and softer after seeing the ones on the mac. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 But then I made them light blue. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 And smaller. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 that was a touching story #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:38 And, well, they're nothing like the mac's. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:39 My windows have halos. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:39 They are angelic. #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:39 you're not helping at all :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:47 why dont you give your windows devil horns instead? #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:47 Morasique: Can emerald do that? #rhlug : 05/01/08 05:47 i don't think so, but we could work on it Morasique : 05/01/08 05:53 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost : 05/01/08 05:56 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Morasique : 05/01/08 05:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 05:57 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Morasique : 05/01/08 05:58 >< MODE #rhlug -o Morasique : collinjc : 05/01/08 09:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 09:11 Fuu... collinjc : 05/01/08 10:05 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc : 05/01/08 11:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/01/08 11:24 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/01/08 11:58 >< PART #rhlug : kleinjt : 05/01/08 12:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 12:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Morasique : 05/01/08 12:55 >< PART #rhlug : "covert video CIA mailbomb nuclear SRI" tommost : 05/01/08 13:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 13:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Mishtal : 05/01/08 13:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/01/08 13:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/01/08 13:46 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/01/08 13:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/01/08 13:50 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/01/08 13:52 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/01/08 13:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/01/08 14:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 14:00 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Morasique : 05/01/08 14:32 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/01/08 14:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/01/08 14:40 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 14:40 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/01/08 14:41 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/01/08 14:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:44 does anyone else have problems with thunderbird not downloading the entire message? on messages that are just giant images (so....most of them), the image cuts off towards the bottom, and on most attachments, the attachment is corrupted if i try to save it #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 not me #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 Not at all. #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 Morasique: i used to have that problem #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 andy753421: know what causes it? #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 blazeix has it too, we don't know why though #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 mozilla sucks? #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:45 :'( #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:46 i can't keep up with the trend, thunderbird used to be what the cool kids used, and i was ostracized for using evolution collinjc : 05/01/08 14:48 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:50 Morasique: Evolution sucks more. #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:50 yay, i'm cool! #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:50 No, we're just all lame. #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:50 oh. :( #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:51 If we were cool we'd each write our own e-mail clients. Because that's what *real* programmers do. #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:51 heck yes. lug e-mail client #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:51 Sounds good. #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:51 we should write all our own tools, compete with gnu #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:51 I've got /bin/true covered. #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:52 you could really take one for the team and do /bin/false too #rhlug : 05/01/08 14:53 I'm willing. andy753421 : 05/01/08 15:06 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:08 yeah, i have the same thunderbird problem #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:08 luckily those emails are pretty much worthless #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:08 well, the attachment one is annoying when groupmates send me stuff #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:09 hm, i don't think i've had that problem #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:09 i think it's the same root cause #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:10 probably. just use mutt instead, it seems to work fine for me #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:10 i like thunderbird though. plus i use it for my calendar and todo list too #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 i found sunbird to be much better than lightening #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 they seemed the same to me, i looked at both of them. what does sunbird have? #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 I find that both of them suck. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 though it's still bloated as all hell #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 Indeed. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 And ugly to boot. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 well, i don't have quite the same concern with that that you do #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 you stick with your plain text vim files #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 One or the other would be fine, but the combination is just annoying. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:11 lightning was unstable with me #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 oh. i don't have any problems with it, it's probably gotten better since then #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 Morasique: i use sunbird #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 oh. well good for you :) #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 i remember something about vim files #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 it's possible i invented that because it seems auchtery #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 that's for quick notes #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:12 ah andy753421 : 05/01/08 15:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 15:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:14 I actually use the Gnome post it thing to do some TODO stuff—it sure is lighter weight than Sunbird. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:14 tomboy? #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:14 i use it for general notes, like auchter's text files #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:14 No, it appears to be called "Sticky Notes". #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:15 I set it so that the note bursts into flame when it is closed, which is fun. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:15 oh yeah. i've never tried that #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:15 oooooooo #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:15 autchery #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:15 Not at all. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:16 i think things bursting into flames is probably the opposite of auchter's setup #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:17 I'd agree, except that auchter doesn't seem to be offended by the use of "auchtery". #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:17 Perhaps he really does like fire? #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:17 we decided yesterday that auchtery means like auchter, and autchery means the opposite #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:17 Oh, I misread that. #rhlug : 05/01/08 15:17 i think that's going to be a big part of the fun :) kleinjt : 05/01/08 15:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 15:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Mishtal : 05/01/08 15:39 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/01/08 15:40 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." kleinjt : 05/01/08 15:41 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/01/08 15:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 16:06 some very auchtery news: openbsd 4.3 is out Mishtal : 05/01/08 16:16 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/01/08 16:19 i can hardly contain my glee povilusr : 05/01/08 16:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 16:32 no ops? #rhlug : 05/01/08 16:32 andy753421 doesn't love us anymore #rhlug : 05/01/08 16:33 zeta Morasique : 05/01/08 16:35 >< PART #rhlug : "Bush Wired Echelon Compsec spy SSL" #rhlug : 05/01/08 17:29 ? #rhlug : 05/01/08 17:35 forgot what i was gunna say Morasique : 05/01/08 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr : 05/01/08 18:25 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/01/08 18:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 18:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : povilusr_ : 05/01/08 18:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_work : 05/01/08 18:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/01/08 18:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 18:43 povilusr_: no ops until you do a presentation #rhlug : 05/01/08 18:44 i'm surprised so few people have done presentations #rhlug : 05/01/08 18:44 presentations are the work of satan Mishtal : 05/01/08 18:44 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/01/08 18:44 Morasique: you too will join the elite club today #rhlug : 05/01/08 18:44 oh good povilusr_ : 05/01/08 18:52 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421 : 05/01/08 19:16 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 19:54 >< PART #rhlug : Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 19:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 19:59 oh great, now the ece department's sending stuff out in comic sans #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 whats so bad about it? #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 I mean #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 I've seen that site #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 it's unreadable #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 that bashes the fuck out of it #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 no it isn't #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 I can read it #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 ACTION can read it #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 it's more that it's the most raped font since helvetica #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 yes, it is. it is an insult to typography #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 lol #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:00 I guess #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:01 I haven't really thought about it that much #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:02 i think comic sans looks cool #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 i mean you shoudln't use it to print a newspaper #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 it looks horrible in all aspects #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 not in comics! #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 it looks perfect in comics #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 there was a time when i didn't hate it, but it has no effect anymore, it was way too overused to possibly convey anything anymore #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 and it looks normal on the text for beanie baby tags #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:03 O.o #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:04 i'm looking at the notable uses on the wikipedia page #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:04 Least valid reason ever? #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:04 it helps people with dyslexia #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:04 you are all anti-dyslexia #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:04 how does it help people with dyslexia? #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:05 http://www.dfes.gov.uk/curriculum_literacy/access/dyslexia/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:05 search for comic sans #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:07 i agree though #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:07 it is for little kids #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:07 and the ece department shouldn't be using it #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:11 computer modern for the win #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:11 though i've taken a liking to new century recently #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:12 O.o Morasique : 05/01/08 20:16 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/01/08 20:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 20:20 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/01/08 20:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 20:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : rr73 : 05/01/08 20:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:59 someone should order pizza #rhlug : 05/01/08 20:59 Pfft... who needs Pizza? #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:00 s/needs/doesn't need/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:00 i have chicken stew, assuming i make it back to skinner in time to eat it #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:00 s/Pizza/sex povilusr_desktop : 05/01/08 21:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/01/08 21:08 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/01/08 21:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 21:15 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : povilusr : 05/01/08 21:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug TBoneULS : 05/01/08 21:22 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr : povilusr : 05/01/08 21:22 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr_kaaba : povilusr : 05/01/08 21:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o povilusr_desktop : povilusr : 05/01/08 21:23 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : povilusr #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:24 ACTION slaps TBoneULS around with a large trout  #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:25 ACTION slaps povilusr around a bit with a large trout povilusr : 05/01/08 21:25 >< MODE #rhlug -b rr72!*@* : #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:27 so much hate #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:28 ya Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug TBoneULS3 : 05/01/08 21:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug TBoneULS : 05/01/08 21:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS3 : TBoneULS3 : 05/01/08 21:35 >< NICK : tboneuls_tablet povilusr : 05/01/08 21:41 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : [Come to lug, jackass] ferrelaj_work : 05/01/08 21:47 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Mishtal : 05/01/08 21:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug tboneuls_tablet : 05/01/08 21:52 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : you should come to lug Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug auchter : 05/01/08 21:53 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : auchter Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/01/08 21:53 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : Blazeix Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/01/08 21:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug auchter : 05/01/08 21:54 >< MODE #rhlug +o collinjc : tboneuls_tablet : 05/01/08 21:54 >< MODE #rhlug +o luglog : collinjc : 05/01/08 21:54 >< KICK #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : asdf Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug Zeta_RHIT : 05/01/08 21:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tboneuls_tablet : 05/01/08 21:55 >< NICK : zeta_rhit zeta_rhit : 05/01/08 21:55 >< KICK #rhlug rr73 : zeta_rhit zeta_rhit : 05/01/08 21:55 >< NICK : tboneuls_tablet povilusr_trying_ : 05/01/08 21:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 21:57 it may be less slow ith auchter : 05/01/08 21:57 >< KICK #rhlug povilusr_trying_ : auchter #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 __________________ #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 < cowsay is stupid > #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 ------------------ #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 ^__^ #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 (oo)_______ #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 (__) )/ #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 ||----w | #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 || || #rhlug : 05/01/08 22:10 thank you sam andy753421 : 05/01/08 22:19 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) povilusr : 05/01/08 22:21 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Blazeix : 05/01/08 22:22 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tboneuls_tablet : 05/01/08 22:31 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc : 05/01/08 22:31 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/01/08 22:31 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/01/08 22:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug rr73 : 05/01/08 22:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/01/08 22:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 22:39 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Morasique : 05/01/08 22:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 22:41 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Blazeix : 05/01/08 23:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 23:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : tommost : 05/01/08 23:11 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc : 05/01/08 23:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/01/08 23:19 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/01/08 23:21 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/01/08 23:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj : 05/01/08 23:35 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:36 povilusr_desktop: You're taking 351 next quarter, right? #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:36 prolly #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:36 i relly wanna take it later #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:37 but i think i am #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:39 i guess hudson is the only on teaching it ferrelaj : 05/01/08 23:40 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:42 whats a csse class that dosent require 230 and is easy? #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:42 um #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:42 databases? #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:43 course number and is it easy? #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:45 aparently it requires 230 andy753421 : 05/01/08 23:45 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/01/08 23:52 isent computer graphics easy? andy753421 : 05/01/08 23:59 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/01/08 23:59 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:00 povilusr_desktop: I've never had Hudson. Is she any good? #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:01 ive heard shes better than herniter as in still hard but not pain in the ass hard #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:03 I think I could take that. #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:05 Personally, I'd like to get it over with. #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:06 yeah i was hoping it would be later in the day #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:06 but dunno if thatl happen #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:06 also it prolly wont fill up so itl be nice #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:06 Yeah, second hour kind of sucks. #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:07 But I plan on shooting for it next quarter anyway. #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:07 8:00 lab sucks ass #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:07 That it does. But after this quarter, I'm used to getting up early every freaking morning. #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:10 yeah i think il take it next quarter but argh i hate early classes #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:11 the ece department hates us all #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:11 Our classes especially since we had to take systems courses. #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:16 auchter: 'set match-hidden-files off' #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:17 in zsh? #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:17 bash #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:17 doesn't work #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:17 works for me.. Blazeix : 05/02/08 00:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 00:18 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:18 http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-001802_1920x1200_scrot.png #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:19 ah, apparently you need to do $ bind 'set match-hidden-files off' #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:20 http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-12/0809.shtml #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:20 ah, excellent #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:23 so i have 24 signatures #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:27 how many do you need? #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:27 25 #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:27 are you on campus? #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:27 no #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:27 or off? #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:27 are you at your apt right now? #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:28 oh wait #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:28 you're not in my class, nm #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:28 yeah its cool, batys gf can sign or like one of 20 other people i know Mishtal : 05/02/08 00:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:31 we need a sophomore to run #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:31 that would be you #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:32 i already said no to that. Mishtal : 05/02/08 00:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:35 baty has a gf? Mishta1 : 05/02/08 00:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 00:54 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/02/08 00:57 octavious: loosely speaking. Mishta1 : 05/02/08 01:11 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/02/08 01:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 01:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Blazeix : 05/02/08 01:14 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc : 05/02/08 01:16 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:18 andy753421: There's a glitch in the log right in the middle of povilusr_desktop's cowsay. kleinjt : 05/02/08 01:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 01:19 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : collinjc : 05/02/08 01:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:24 tommost: that's odd, i have no idea how that could happen #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:25 it looks like 'read' read two lines at the same time from some random reason #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:25 Yeah, but it's happened before. #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:25 when/where? #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:25 I recall it happening some months ago. luglog : 05/02/08 01:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/02/08 01:27 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:27 that should be better, apparently i should have been using 'read -r line' Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:31 >< QUIT : Client Quit Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:32 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:34 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 01:35 >< PART #rhlug : povilusr : 05/02/08 01:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:45 deadmines? #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:54 "Put it this way: It's unwise to make program structure depend on #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:55 invisible characters." - Rob Pike #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:56 see, no one likes python #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:58 that's my biggest problem with python, i never liked that #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:58 it's funny how otherwise smart people can get hung up on the simplest of things (time to run and hide?) #rhlug : 05/02/08 01:59 ah, good, i was wondering why no one was flaming me #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:00 normally I wouldn't, but it bothers me that so many people make such a big deal about the indentation thing #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:00 it has not come up for me in a *long* time #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:01 well, we were all thinking it #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:01 it was festering Blazeix : 05/02/08 02:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 02:05 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:07 crr: i think one of the reasons the whitespace thing comes up is because its the most glaring example of how the python community works #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:08 I.e. "this way is better, if you think you have another way, you're wrong" #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:08 TIMTWWTDI! #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:08 Morasique: yay perl #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:12 there's a reason for that: in perl code, everyone has their own way of expressing the same thing #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:12 which makes it confusing for people used to one set of idioms, when they see another set #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:13 perl is easier to write, but it's typically considered to be hard to read #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:14 Yay whitespace! #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:14 i didn't mean for this to turn into perl vs. python, it's just that morasique brought it up #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:14 And by whitespace, I mean the little arrows and dots that I use so that I can see whitespace. #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:14 perl is definitely harder to read, but i don't believe it's because the lack of whitespace enforcement #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:15 Because tabs vs. spaces matter. tommost : 05/02/08 02:15 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:16 sure tommost : 05/02/08 02:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 02:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:17 the python attitude of "this way is better" is clear - indeed, the python interpreter itself will tell you "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:18 and I've personally found with python that the way you'd do it is natural enough that it works for me #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:19 the "one way" idea, you have to admit, comes off a bit elitist compared to the "do what thou wilt" ideaology of other languages #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:19 I can see that crr : 05/02/08 02:34 >< PART #rhlug : crr : 05/02/08 02:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 02:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : ferrelaj : 05/02/08 02:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc : 05/02/08 02:48 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/02/08 02:57 If I were to get one of those standalone number pads they sell for people on laptops how difficult would it be to remap the keys on it—and just the keys on that pad alone—to do other things? #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:00 yes. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:00 octavious: That you very much.~ #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:02 Anyone? #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:03 it should be trivial, the numpad keys are separate keycodes #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:03 if it just shows up as another device in /dev/input/event*, it probably wouldn't be hard #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:03 Okay. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:04 To clarify, I want to use it in addition to the keypad on my keyboard. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:04 It would provide assorted buttons of usefulness. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:04 oh, wait. that's not good then #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:04 i'm pretty sure it won't show up as a separate device #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:05 i tried to do the same thing with a full external keyboard and i couldn't get the system to see them separately #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:05 hm, let me find a usb keyboard... #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:05 mine was ps2, but i don't think it matters. let me know if it works though, i wanted the same thing #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:06 tommost: if it doesn't work, i recommend a game pad, that's what i ended up getting #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:07 Hmm... yeah, these do seem to be cheaper. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:07 http://www.trustedreviews.com/gaming/review/2005/12/09/Saitek-Pro-Gamer-Command-Unit/p1 #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:07 oooooooooooo #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:07 game pad + gizmod = python scriptable input #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:07 tommost: take a look at setxkbmap(1) kbd(8) xmodmap(1) #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:07 it's sad when you find your keyboard in the pantry under the microwave. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:08 so, the keyboard i just plugged in shows up as /dev/input/even6 #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:08 s/even/event/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:08 suck, why didn't that work for me #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:09 i need to find a usb keyboard #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:09 it is distinct from my laptop's keyboard, but as of right now keypresses on it still register as keystrokes seen by X/console #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:09 Morasique: were you using /dev/input/mice? #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:10 the other keyboard didn't show up separately at all as i recall, and when i tried capturing keystrokes from it with gizmod it had all the same properties as my internal keyboard #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:10 also, if you want event? files, i think you need to enable it in the kernel #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:10 Morasique: ps/2 is weird, so i don't doubt that it didn't show up separately #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:10 try xev, that's the standard X11 button/key thingey #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:12 but those will probably show up as the same, with setxkbmap and kbd you can specify the device file, so you should be able to do remappings somehow #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:12 there's also xinput, which may be helpful for testing without restarting X #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:12 This makes me afraid that I'm going to have issues when I start doing serious mucking around with X servers. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:13 i can't see how any of this would make you haev problems #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:13 Okay then. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:13 just backup xorg.conf and you should be good, also, gnome might try to override your settings.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:13 Gizmo looks really interesting. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:14 tommost: it's great #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:14 Messing with xorg.conf is such a pain; gizmo sounds easier. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:14 ahh layers of indirection #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:14 also, i suggest an NES controller for controlling things #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 that would entertain me #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 the protocol is super easy to bit-bang on a parallel port #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 I already have a Wiimote. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 auchter: For you, not me. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 i used to have mine set up controlling mpd #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 tommost: no, it really is simple. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 ultimate setup: cube spinning with the NES controller and fire text with the wiimote #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:15 Wiimote >> anything not a wiimote. tommost : 05/02/08 03:15 >< MODE #rhlug +v Morasique : #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:16 tommost: except something with a rotational accelerometer #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:16 The Wiimote has *two* of those, including the nunchuck. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:16 Plus an infrared camera. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:16 tommost: nope #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:17 Oh, yeah, it has a bunch of them which you can use to do the same thing. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:17 it has a linear accelerometer, but no rotational accelerometer, (i don't know about the numchuck though..) #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:17 tommost: no, you can't #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:17 The wiimote and nunchuck each have three linear accelerometers. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:17 One for each axis. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:17 What can you do with a rotational one? #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:18 decent dead reckoning.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:18 Is that what's in the MicroStrain? #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:18 yea, i believe it has a 3-axis rotational and a 3-axis linear #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:19 yes, but i'd argue that linear accelerometers are, generally, more useful #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:19 Oooooooooooooo. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:19 Cheaper too, I'd bet. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:19 though for a pointing device, a combination would be excellent #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:19 yea, the wiimote is pretty usless as a pointing device without the IR sensor #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:19 With the Wiimote you preferably use the infrared camera to do pointing. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:20 but that means you need special hardware and can't use it like a normal floating mouse #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:20 s/camera/photoresistor/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:20 auchter: It's actually a camera, to my understanding. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:20 andy753421: I mainly want to use it like a TV remote, so no loss there. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:20 forget the wiimote, we need to break out the duck hunt guns #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:21 auchter: i think it actually does have a camera, i don't remember the resolution though #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:21 ~1 Mpixel. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:21 Morasique: duck hunt guns don't work on LCDs and projectors #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:21 well, we've got CPEs in here, they can figure it out #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:22 ah, wow, so i was wrong #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:22 Don't they use the blanking time (or whatever it's called) of the CRT? #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:22 I don't think that you could emulate that. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:22 http://idav.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/ResDev/Wiimote/Technology.html flashbacks to csse461 andy753421 : 05/02/08 03:28 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/02/08 03:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 03:44 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:47 andy753421: You should upload my improved LUG Wiki stylesheets. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:47 The font has been fixed in Firefox 3 and there is a variant without the shadows everyone complains about. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:48 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:49 done #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:52 i decided to give it another try; the flickering and other oddities with the bottom bar are worse than i remember #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:53 auchter: Upgrade to Firefox 3. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:53 They fixed that bug. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:53 Also, has anyone found a Webkit browser for Ubuntu? I would like to make the stylesheet compatible with it. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:56 tommost: Epiphany supports it #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:56 skipstone too #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:56 is skipstone any good? epiphany/midori both suck when using webkit #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:56 i haven't actually tried it yet #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:56 i just recall it from when i was looking for a firefox replacment #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:56 The version of Epiphany that comes with Ubuntu is still on Geko. #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:57 s/Geko/Gecko/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 03:58 Midori seems to be available. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:04 Midori is very incomplete, skipstone seems the same way.. :( #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:04 which brings us to the next point: why do all current browsers suck? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:04 Gah! Midori fucks up widget font colors like Firefox! #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 gtkwebkit also doesn't support rose-hulmans SSL certs #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 Yeah, half of the preferences and menu options in Midori are ghosted out. povilusr_desktop : 05/02/08 04:05 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 tommost: i told you it was 'incomplete' :P #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 I was agreeing with you. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 And elaborating. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 ah, ok #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:05 crr: http://www.xkcd.com/418/ povilusr : 05/02/08 04:06 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:07 andy753421: Would it be possible for you to link the stylesheets on the Wiki directly to the ones on my webspace? It's difficult to debug in Midori when there isn't any way to swap different ones in (like Greasemonkey). #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:10 tommost: can i just put some sort of @import in main.css? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:10 That would be perfect. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:10 what should it link to? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:13 i love helpful comments (from midori's source, right above int main()): // -- main function #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:13 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/styles.css #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:13 ok, done #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:13 Fail! http://lug.phire.org/mw/skins/tom/main.css?97 (it doesn't seem to work) #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:13 that, or i somehow have it disabled #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 ah, apparently the ';' at the end matters for import #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 And http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lug/styles.noshadow.css for the shadowless variant. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 am i supposed to link them both at the same time or something? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 No. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 One needs to go in a different MediaWiki theme. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 So that people can select the shadowless version. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:19 I've fixed the theme for WebKit. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:20 tommost: i'm deleting all the images off the lug server #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:20 Okay. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:30 the GtkLauncher browser included with webkit is actually not half bad #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:31 it might not be a bad starting point for a new browser #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:31 The trouble with using WebKit is that its JavaScript support is sucky compared to Gecko's. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:31 s/its/it's/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:32 you were fine the first time #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:32 yeah, that was a failure of a regex #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:32 Ooops. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:33 Morasique: that's awesome #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:33 crr: it's very bad that my first thought was "holy crap....i CAN cook bacon whenever i want!" #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:33 Anyway, an important idea for a new browser: use something better than the Netscape plugin API. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:33 So that Flash stuff doesn't swallow events. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:33 Better: integrate Flash directly. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:33 better: forget flash #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 Avoid all those silly crashes. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 tommost: how does it swallow events? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 I should see about picking some up; I've been missing out for quite some time #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 andy753421: Click on a flash movie. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 tommost: that's been on the mozilla buglist for a while, apparently it would be awful to change the architecture to not do that anymore #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 Now try to use Ctrl-T to open a new tab. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 ah, ok #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:34 I remember last year when Sam had a ridiculous amount #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:40 for the record, I am now very scared by MediaWiki #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:41 apparently, skins don't work unless you /don't/ close the tag #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:41 For the record, I have always been scared of MediaWiki. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:41 ACTION shivers #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:41 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=tomns #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:41 there's some technical reason why leaving off closing php tags is a good thing, i don't remember why #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:41 i've never done it #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:42 This situation exemplifies everything that is wrong with PHP. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:44 ACTION hugs php #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:44 ACTION mugs php #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:44 ACTION mugs python #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 ACTION hugs perl #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 Ewwww... #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 I think the following quote from php.net/implode does a better job at exemplifying what's wrong with php #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 "Note: implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order." #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 I don't think that the quote is necessary. The function name speaks for itself. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 What does it do? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:45 tommost: implode is join in python #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:46 Morasique: I do know that. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:46 duh, it's the opposite of explode #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:46 and yeah, the worst part of php is its terrible lack of conventions #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:46 But when I first tried to find explode/implode in PHP I couldn't find them because of their braindead names. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:46 i think there's a split function too that just aliases to explode #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:46 Yeah, all of its conventions are followed thoroughly, except when they're not. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:47 Like naming string functions to start with str. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:48 i can live with the function names being messed up, it's the argument order that kills me #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:48 Yeah. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:49 strtr and str_replace do similar things; strtr takes $subject, $from, $to while str_replace takes $from, $to, $subject #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:49 how does that happen? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:49 you know, vim will auto complete PHP functions, and tell your the argument orders #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:49 And there's even a strtok function. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:49 Which is practically as stupid as the C version. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:50 andy753421: so will emacs, that doesn't mean it's ok #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:50 tommost: i think it is the C version, PHP is written in C #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:50 Yeah. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:50 Lots of fun for the alternate implementations. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:51 PHP also lacks any conception of what is appropriate for the standard library. See soundex. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:52 what's wrong with soundex? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:52 you mean it shouldn't be part of the standard library? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:52 It, along with metaphone, should not be present in the documentation right alongside string functions that I might actually want to use. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:53 can't forget levenshtein. that one is essential #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:54 Indeed. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:54 i'd rather have soundex in the global namespace than have to import time in order to use sleep #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:54 ... #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:55 "echo() is not actually a function (it is a language construct), so you are not required to use parentheses with it. echo() (unlike some other language constructs) does not behave like a function, so it cannot always be used in the context of a function. Additionally, if you want to pass more than one parameter to echo(), the parameters must not be enclosed within parentheses." #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:55 At least they're consistent in how they reference the non-function like it's a function. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:55 isn't python's print statement the same way? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:55 tommost: use print if it bothers you :) #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:56 I'm not mocking echo, I'm mocking the documentation, which says that no parenthesis are necessary and that echo isn't a function and then keeps calling it "echo()". #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:56 Also, Python's print is turning into a proper function in Python 3. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:57 yea, from what i hear, everything is going to be perfect in the great 'Python 3'... #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:57 i thought it was python 3000? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:57 That's the codename. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:57 same in perl 6. it's going to blow your mind #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:57 Morasique: the "say" function does blow my mind #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:58 The difference being that there's already an alpha or two out for Python 3. #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:58 damn right it does. no more barbaric print(str+"\n"); #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:58 tommost: there's something that could be called a beta for perl 6 #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:58 And how long has it been in beta? #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:59 yay, i have GtkLauncher removed from the WebKit build system #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:59 started on Feb 2005 #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:59 ACTION snickers #rhlug : 05/02/08 04:59 http://rafb.net/p/FxorWV47.html now that's a mkfile #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 So you're making your own web browser? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 that's not nearly complicated enough to do anything useful #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 eh, that's aright, parrot can run python too :P #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 tommost: doubtful, but i can pretend, can't i? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 You should. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 i have no experience at all #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 I'd like to see an auchtery web browser. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 You can just do the UI; leave the rendering to WebKit. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:00 can it have flaming sheep as the logo? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:01 auchter: what is GtkLauncher?? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:02 octavious: basic gtk browser included with webkit #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:02 http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-050142_1920x1200_scrot.png #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:02 There are too many widgets. And the text is anti-aliased. You should fix that. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:02 Blazeix: screw you (this is regarding your earlier commment of "loosely speaking") #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 ACTION reads the log #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 Yeah, I was disappointed that I didn't get a violent reaction. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 the code is only 203 lines (excluding the massivity that is webkit) Morasique : 05/02/08 05:03 >< MODE #rhlug +v Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 ACTION slaps quark around a bit with a large trout #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 um #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 i'll see if i can learn enough about gtk to add tabs, in which case it would be pretty cool #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 You missed #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 i have no idea how that happened #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:03 none #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 i was typing, and apparently i hit some key #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 you have a special hotkey for slapping people with large trout? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 I, too, slap people with fish enough that I need a bound key #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 i wasn't here earlier, otherwise it would have gotten some sort of response #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 apprently i do #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 auchter: very nice. needs a vimperator-like UI and i am in. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 :) #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 ACTION slaps Blazeix around a bit with a large trout #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 there #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 no more with the missing #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:04 GTK? Weak. It should use w3m magic to display WebKit's renderings in the terminal. And be totally command-line oriented. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:05 octavious: that's exactly what i want, actually #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:05 sounds awesome. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:05 new project? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:05 ACTION kills auchter's new project in the womb #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:05 Robot! #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 right now, i don't know enough to do anything useful #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 i'm willing to learn though, and i need something to kill the time that i don't have #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 auchter: for the summer maybe. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 Has anyone here messed around with midori and its lua scripting? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 you should write it in ETK, because.. um.. enlightenment is cool.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 it might be interesting to code up a vimperator plugin for midori #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:06 Blazeix: no, but i sense a presentation #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 for plp one of my top languages was lua #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 way to lose on that one #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 since then I've encountered about 17 projects that use lua #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 Blazeix: Can you manipulate the DOM with it? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 Not a clue. I don't know lua #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 lots of game scripting is in lua #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 SciTE uses Lua. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 auchter: i think it would be a cool project to get in on. i'll have some time during the summer to help #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:07 I think Sam Ostling learned lua for Homeworld 2 #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:08 auchter/octavious: i can put a svn (or something else) repo on lug.phire.org if you'd like #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:09 sure, i think it'd be a rather useful project #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:09 i would be very interested in doing so #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:10 andy753421: what are you going to be doing with the server over the summer? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:10 auchter: beats the hell out of mee #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:10 I'll host it in my room if I end up on campus. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:10 i'll have to see if i'm going to have a good network connection in Oklahoma #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:11 i should make sure i have a network connection at all in my apartment #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:11 that will be important #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:11 tommost: yea, i could put it in the robotics lab too, but it sort of has all my stuff (music, videos, files, etc) on it too so I want it on a local network #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:12 i might just find a different box and put all the LUG stuff on that.. in which case it could stay at rose #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:12 auchter/octavious: repo name? tommost : 05/02/08 05:14 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/02/08 05:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 05:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:14 doesn't matter to me #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:15 auchterbrowse #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:15 also, if you wanted to install gentoo on freya (or even clone part of your drive) #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:15 because that's staying on campus #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:16 http://lug.phire.org/svn/auchtery/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:17 Score! #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:17 if you want write access let me know #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:17 (right now it's me, auchter, and octavious) #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:17 i think the name might frighten people #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:17 Good. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:18 They should be afraid. povilusr_kaaba : 05/02/08 05:23 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:24 Even if I don't end up using midori, I like the theme linked from the homepage. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:24 Its a very well done black theme. Don't see many of those. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:26 Yes, that is very nice. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:26 http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-052546_1920x1200_scrot.png gtk is rather cool #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:28 has anyone ever heard of xcodebuild? I need it build midori, but can't find any info about it. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:29 hmm. From a google it looks like its a Mac tool. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:29 it doesn't look like it will be too hard to implement tabs; i have some idea of how to go about it now #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:29 if i have some time over the weekend i'll give it a go, but i've apparently got a paper due tomorrow #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:29 Blazeix: i don't think i needed that to build midori.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:30 Blazeix: are you using git? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:30 auchter: are you just messing with the GtkLauncher source? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:30 Arch Linux (my distro) has a pkgbuild for it, and that's what i'm using. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:30 I'll just build it straight from source. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:31 octavious: yeah, for right now, though i think it'd be easier to just start from scratch #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:31 andy753421: did you use git or 0.0.17? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:31 auchter: definitely, just curious #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:31 i think i used 0.0.17 but i think that doesn't work with current webkit #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:31 octavious: yeah, it's at least small and easy to understand #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:31 i just built the git version and it seems to work #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:32 but seems targeted to a single-page view, understandably #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:32 hey, i can change the font size with the GIT version :) #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:33 auchter: i very _vaguely_ recall stumbling across a library that allowed for simple implementation of a vi-like ui.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:34 octavious: that'd be interesting... vimperator's in javascript, right? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:34 auchter: yes. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:36 auchter: you working from the webkitgtk SVN repo? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:37 there's a gtkwebkit ebuild in gentoo sunrise #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:37 er, it's actually called webkitgtk #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:37 octavious: i used the r32778 from http://nightly.webkit.org/ tommost : 05/02/08 05:38 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:39 andy753421: your svn setup is awesome. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:39 wait, why? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:40 LDAP authentication. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:40 ah, yea #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:40 there's a vague possibility that i can convince McLeish to use that next year #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:43 http://9fans.net/archive/2008/05/14 #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:44 auchter: there's actually some interesting things you can do with indentation.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:45 like completely mess up makefiles? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:45 i've always wanted to make a stack based language where the indentation represents the depth of the stack #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:45 sometimes you scare me #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:46 regardless, care to elaborate? i'm not quite seeing how that would work #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:46 it'd be cool because you could make operators (such as 'sum') that take varying number of parameters #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:46 ah, i see #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:46 i'll write up a quick example.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:49 http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/example.txt #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:51 actually, i just updated that to be a better example #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:51 what does the indenting do? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:52 oh, so the method calls pop off the stack back to the depth of indentation? #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:52 yea #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:52 that's fairly cool #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:52 it's a really nice way to never have to use parentheses or commas #rhlug : 05/02/08 05:52 yeah, that's pretty interesting koshii1 : 05/02/08 06:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug koshii1 : 05/02/08 06:08 >< NICK : koshiiee koshiiee : 05/02/08 06:08 >< NICK : koshiiie #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:09 someone has my name -_- #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:09 bah freenode koshiiie : 05/02/08 06:10 >< NICK : koshii1 #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:11 questions! #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:12 koshii1: /msg nickserv ghost #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:12 koshii1: you're the one with your name #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:12 i had koshiie registered #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:12 but it looks like someone is using it :/ #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:13 irc didn't disconnect you properly, run the command andy753421 said #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:13 okay #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:14 it says koshiie has been killed #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:14 :[ #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:15 now you can do /nick koshiie #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:15 oh #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:15 i see #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:15 it disconnected your other session koshii1 : 05/02/08 06:15 >< NICK : koshiie #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:15 i have a question about um induction .. for csse230 #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:17 the problem says, show the result of inserting items 1 through 15 in order in an initially empty AVL tree. Generalize this result (with proof) to show what happens when items 1 through 2^k - 1 are inserted into an initially empty AVL tree. #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:18 i don't see what needs to be proved :s maybe how the tree structure is outputted? #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:19 oh wait this is for linux :s sorry .. #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:20 i don't remember much of anything from 230, you should probably ask a TA #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:20 i couldn't find one earlier and i think it's too late now :( #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:22 i get depressed whenever i have to double-space my beautifully typeset documents #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:22 it's an absolute travesty #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:24 auchter: what's it for? #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:25 music history #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:25 you should print it in Currier, just to spite them #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:26 mmm, curry #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:26 er, however that's spelled #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:26 i know you mean courier, but curry tastes better #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 true, speaking of which, i need to find somewhere where i can buy tai curry paste.. #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 courier? #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 red or green? #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 any :P but i actually like red/yellow #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 actually, they sell both at baeslers, as i have a small jar of red curry paste #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 koshiie: it's a typeface #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:27 i know #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:28 i was just behind in reading :p sorry #rhlug : 05/02/08 06:28 if baeslers doesn't have it (though i'm pretty sure they do), the asian market would #rhlug : 05/02/08 07:02 i'm writing bytecode for the JVM, for some inexplicable reason the JVM has bytecodes for loading the ints -1 through 5 onto the stack, and that's all, so int a=5; will use the bytecode iconst_5, but int a=6; uses bipush 6. apparently they felt that range of ints was used more heavily or something #rhlug : 05/02/08 07:06 is there any benefit to using the iconsts? #rhlug : 05/02/08 07:06 i have no idea, i assume there is povilusr_ : 05/02/08 13:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/02/08 13:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug crr : 05/02/08 13:39 >< PART #rhlug : chammiya : 05/02/08 13:59 >< JOIN : #rhlug chammiya : 05/02/08 13:59 >< PART #rhlug : Blazeix : 05/02/08 14:43 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/02/08 14:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 14:54 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Blazeix : 05/02/08 15:39 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/02/08 15:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) povilusr_ : 05/02/08 15:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) andy753421 : 05/02/08 15:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 15:51 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : ferrelaj_laptop : 05/02/08 15:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/02/08 15:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 15:56 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/02/08 16:24 http://pownce.com/ubernostrum/notes/2036931/ ferrelaj_laptop : 05/02/08 16:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/02/08 16:35 >< PART #rhlug : "top secret Etacs CIA sniper CID" crr : 05/02/08 16:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 16:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : crr : 05/02/08 16:42 >< PART #rhlug : Morasique : 05/02/08 16:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 16:44 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Morasique : 05/02/08 16:55 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj_laptop : 05/02/08 17:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_laptop : 05/02/08 17:17 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/02/08 17:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 17:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : povilusr_ : 05/02/08 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:38 povilusr_: "user" is quite the username #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:40 ? #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:43 "povilusr_ (i=user@povilusr-1.dhcp.rose-hulman.edu) has joined #rhlug" #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:44 oh, yeah im ausome #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:52 mmmmm i product: http://imagechan.net/img/4652/iProduct.gif/ we should segjust that the mac fanboy club buy some #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:53 my god, was that supposed to be "suggest"? #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:53 yes #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:53 :D i like "how much does it cost? like you care" #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:55 i think mu just covered more in the first 15 minutes of class than yoder does in an hour #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:55 but could you understand it, and did it make since #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:55 ? #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:55 i have no problem understanding her, and it make perfect sense #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:55 i had trouble understanding mu when she taught our ece130 class for a few days, but i imagine you'd get used to it #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:56 i personaly like yoder for comparch #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:56 i don't have problems with most accents #rhlug : 05/02/08 17:59 so im watching enemies of reason, and some faith healer is expaling dna to an evolutonary biologist, and how some people dont have double helix dna but rather triangles with 12 strands #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:01 its ausome #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:01 ...and i'm sure people believe it #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:02 :( ferrelaj : 05/02/08 18:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:12 somehow even though i thought i already fixed it, most of the hardy repositories were missing from my sources list. i readded them and now i have 83 updates #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:15 and at 15kB/s, it'll only take me 2 hours to get them #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:15 mmmmm bandwith restrictions #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:16 i think it's actually partially ubuntu's fault, their repositories have been incredibly slow lately #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:16 oh #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:16 but i blame rose for part of it #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:20 the first embedded class without laptops is about to start. i'm amused #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:20 screw you, were all gunna die #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:21 im gunna sleep #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:21 that's exactly why i'm amused #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:21 you should come #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:21 that does sound fun #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:21 but i think i'm good here #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:21 were wanting someone to come to class set up there laptop, then whhen hoover tells them to close it have them just get up an leave #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:22 someone who will never be effected by hoover #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:22 :D #rhlug : 05/02/08 18:23 say something like " i could never make it through this class withought a laptop" under their breath as they leave andy753421 : 05/02/08 18:40 >< QUIT : "Leaving." ferrelaj_work : 05/02/08 18:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug blazeix : 05/02/08 18:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 18:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o blazeix : povilusr_ : 05/02/08 18:59 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421 : 05/02/08 19:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 19:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : andy753421 : 05/02/08 19:12 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Mishtal : 05/02/08 19:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug blazeix : 05/02/08 19:19 >< PART #rhlug : Blazeix : 05/02/08 19:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 19:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:32 All right. I'm never giving up my IP address. #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:32 we'll see about that #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:32 Also, pidgin is insisting that every word I'm typing is spelled wrong. #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:32 This must be what it feels like to be sam. #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:32 except you noticed and care #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:32 does pidgin use aspell? #rhlug : 05/02/08 19:34 i think so kleinjt : 05/02/08 19:35 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 19:35 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : povilusr_kaaba : 05/02/08 19:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 19:55 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:01 wtf: http://137.112.138.172/cprogress.png #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:01 apparently the traditional "." was not cool enough for novell kleinjt : 05/02/08 20:07 >< QUIT : "Leaving" kleinjt : 05/02/08 20:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 20:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/02/08 20:08 >< QUIT : Client Quit tommost_phantom : 05/02/08 20:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:11 So, I'm on Phantom. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:11 i suspected that #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:11 And Firefox is so messed up that it can't do SSL. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:11 i probably could've guessed that too. punch mcleish and format it #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:14 tommost: you use openoffice 2.4 right? #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:14 Whatever comes with Ubuntu. I think it's 2.4. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:14 it's 2.3 with gutsy, 2.4 with hardy. can you open xlsx or pptx files? #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:15 Yes, I've been able to for months. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:15 Since well before Hardy. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:15 yeah, mine worked before hardy, it's broken now #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:15 i can still open docx, but xlsx and pptx don't work #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:17 I haven't tried xslx, but I know that pptx works (but brokenly). #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:17 I usually just use the terminal server to open any mildly complex pptx. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:17 Or to edit docx. Morasique : 05/02/08 20:31 >< KICK #rhlug TBoneULS : baty is standing next to me helpless to prevent this Morasique : 05/02/08 20:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o luglog : Morasique : 05/02/08 20:33 >< MODE #rhlug -o luglog : #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:34 luglog: No ops until you do a presentation! #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:34 i was looking at the level list and it said you need level 10 to use the op command, i wasn't sure if it meant the chanserv command or /op, apparently it means the former Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:47 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:48 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:48 gah #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:48 something happened to my system #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:48 now my mouse constant left and middle clicks #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:48 and i have no idea whats going on #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:48 *tear* #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:50 http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-02-204855_1920x1200_scrot.png andy753421 : 05/02/08 20:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 20:50 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:50 this has given me a good excuse to learn gtk Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:50 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:50 quite a bit easier than i thought Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:51 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:52 auchter: You should change your default screenshot filename. The "scrot" reminds me of "scrotum," which always gives me pause. #rhlug : 05/02/08 20:53 tommost_phantom: eh, you'll get over it tommost_phantom : 05/02/08 20:55 >< QUIT : "CGI:IRC (EOF)" Mishtal : 05/02/08 20:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/02/08 21:13 >< PART #rhlug : ferrelaj_work : 05/02/08 21:57 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) koshiie : 05/02/08 22:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/02/08 22:14 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421 : 05/02/08 22:20 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/02/08 22:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 22:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : andy753421 : 05/02/08 22:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 22:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : andy753421 : 05/02/08 23:10 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/02/08 23:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/02/08 23:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/02/08 23:26 Blazeix: i added my presentation stuff at http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Shell_Tricks_%28presentation%29 #rhlug : 05/02/08 23:53 Morasique: Thanks. andy753421 : 05/03/08 00:17 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/03/08 00:35 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 00:35 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/03/08 00:49 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." crr : 05/03/08 01:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 01:06 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:13 Man, I have no motivation to work for the next two weeks... This sucks. #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:14 not failing? #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:14 Not at the moment #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:15 I'm just tired of caring and would rather not #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:16 yeah, you should definitely not. except for our comp arch paper, that you should. #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:30 on the bright side, two weeks remaining povilusr_kaaba : 05/03/08 01:35 >< QUIT : calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net bolandmg : 05/03/08 01:35 >< QUIT : calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net octavious : 05/03/08 01:35 >< QUIT : calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net octavious : 05/03/08 01:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/03/08 01:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug bolandmg : 05/03/08 01:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug irc.freenode.net : 05/03/08 01:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o octavious : #rhlug : 05/03/08 01:52 NEEEEEEETTTTTTTT SSSSSSSSSPPPPPPLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!! #rhlug : 05/03/08 03:23 povilusr has been on the wrong side of both netsplits. i blame him #rhlug : 05/03/08 03:54 Blazeix: i think you were having the same thunderbird problem i was with the broken attachments, i posted a fix at http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Thunderbird_Setup#Truncated_Attachment_Problem Morasique : 05/03/08 04:21 >< PART #rhlug : "terrorism Commecen anarchy Abbas Vickie Weaver" Morasique : 05/03/08 04:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 04:32 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:41 heck yes. openoffice 3 will print on my machine. success #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:42 are you implying that you weren't able to print from OOo before? #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:44 yeah, i've asked about it on here before, it appears to be unique to me #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:45 there used to be a printer administration tool that came with it #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:47 there still is #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:48 i could never figure out what the issue is, when i try to print it acts like nothing happened, the job never gets to cups at all #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:49 that's pretty strange #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:49 it is. i was hoping it would fix when i upgraded to 2.4, but it's still broken there. so yay for 3 Mishtal : 05/03/08 04:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:49 does it work for other users on your system? #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:50 no, i tried making a new user just to test it #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:50 what drives me crazy, and i will never be able to explain this, i had the exact same problem when i installed it on my vista machine #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:50 which is quite obviously impossible #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:50 it has to be some unrelated issue, but it's a huge coincidence that it happened on both machines #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:54 In unrelated news, you guys should all go see Ironman #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:55 from what i heard, everyone in the world did #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:55 Yeah, there were a lot of Rose people there. #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:56 predictably #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:56 i watched an excellent movie tonight but went absolutely crazy adjusting the a/v sync in mplayer throughout the whole thing because it didn't seem to sync right #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:56 which movie? #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:56 then i found out that in the 60s, italian film makers apparently though it was better to overdub the entire movie after filming #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:56 otto e mezzo #rhlug : 05/03/08 04:59 i can't find it now, but there was a xkcd about watching a movie on your computer and getting distracted writing a script to move the mouse so the screen won't shut off #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:00 Morasique: i remember that one, and thought of it several times when my screen shut off #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:00 mplayer actually checks for the major screensavers and shuts them off when it starts, which i find pretty cool #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:00 http://xkcd.com/196/ #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:00 this was the dpms screen blanking #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:00 i hate you. i searched for every keyword i could think of #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:01 I googled --xkcd "half an hour into pointer scripting"-- #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:01 i just happened to remember that phrase #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:01 oh. how the heck did you remember that #rhlug : 05/03/08 05:01 you suck Blazeix : 05/03/08 05:26 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Blazeix : 05/03/08 05:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 05:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : povilusr_desktop : 05/03/08 05:30 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" povilusr_kaaba : 05/03/08 05:37 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) TBoneULS : 05/03/08 05:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 05:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS : tommost : 05/03/08 06:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 06:08 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/03/08 06:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features #rhlug : 05/03/08 06:32 the reddit programming article has endless puns, the all-time best being "if the data doesn't fit, you must sigquit" tommost : 05/03/08 07:29 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Morasique : 05/03/08 08:55 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/03/08 08:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 08:56 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Morasique : 05/03/08 09:11 >< PART #rhlug : "Zachawi S Key MIT-LL AMEMB ammunition" Morasique : 05/03/08 09:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 09:17 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : luglog : 05/03/08 10:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/03/08 11:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/03/08 13:19 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) povilusr_desktop : 05/03/08 13:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/03/08 14:03 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/03/08 16:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 16:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : kleinjt : 05/03/08 16:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 16:17 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/03/08 17:00 auchter: A message from the mechanical team. You should go to the meeting lest you be displeased with the way the computer is mounted. tommost : 05/03/08 17:39 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/03/08 18:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 18:05 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/03/08 18:42 Is it just me or are all of the Ubuntu package directories on ftp.cs empty? #rhlug : 05/03/08 18:43 Whoa, pidgin did something odd to that. #rhlug : 05/03/08 18:46 i think it's just you #rhlug : 05/03/08 18:46 It seems that I was looking in the wrong ubuntu directory hierarchy. #rhlug : 05/03/08 18:50 I'm trying to find the gutsy package for xdmx, which seems to have been removed in hardy. Blazeix : 05/03/08 18:50 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/03/08 19:18 >< PART #rhlug : kleinjt : 05/03/08 19:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/03/08 19:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 19:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/03/08 19:48 >< QUIT : Client Quit kleinjt : 05/03/08 20:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 20:10 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Blazeix : 05/03/08 20:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 20:15 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:26 everytime i tile stuff i feel auchtery. it feels dirty #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:26 i imagine a compiz personification shaking its head as it watches me #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:36 just get over it and use a real window manager #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:37 Sometimes I tile: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~mosttw/lnk/tiled.png #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:46 i demand that somebody reveal to me how to focus windows from the command line. if i could do that i could script everything ever #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:50 it'd be trivial to modify dwm to do that #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:51 i know :'(. there has to be a way in compiz though #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:52 i'm reading the senior project descriptions, one of them wants a way to wake computers over the network #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:52 ....i should do this project #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:52 take a look at the source, i'm sure it's easy to understand and modify~ #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:52 Morasique: uh, have they not heard of wake on lan before? #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:52 apparently not, but i should pretend to invent it #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:52 I demand that someone reveal to me how to download gutsy packages from hardy! #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:53 tommost: you add the gutsy repo #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:53 Where is that? #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:53 I mean, I've been browsing the repository servers looking for the .deb file. #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:53 And I can't find it. #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:53 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main universe restricted multiverse #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:54 i think #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:54 Morasique: actually, you might want to look into trying wmii... since it has a 9p backend, it can be mounted and scripted easily #rhlug : 05/03/08 20:55 i might look into other window managers, but i use a ton of compiz plugins that i'm used to #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:13 there should be a way to clone an X window, so you have two separate windows that both show the same contents #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:14 I always figured that that's what the "clone" plugin is supposed to do. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:14 But I've never been able to figure out how to make it do that. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:15 no, clone is for cloning whole viewports #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:16 Oh. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:16 How is that useful? Multiple monitors? #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:17 yeah. i use it when i'm giving presentations, i do dual monitor and clone my primary display onto the projector #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:17 That would explain why I've never been able to get it to do anything. Compiz hates multiple monitors on mylaptop. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:18 do you have separate x displays or twinview? #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:19 Neither, IIRC. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:19 oh. i have no idea what that is :) #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:19 Yeah, the ATI drivers hate me. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:19 And I reciprocate. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:20 you should use nvidia instead #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:21 Laptop: not an option. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:21 But I will have Nvidia cards in the computers that I'm using for multiple displays via Xdmx. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:21 Though I have no idea if that will work with Compiz. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:21 Perhaps via Chromium? #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:26 What I'm not sure of with Xdmx is how to do it safely. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:26 i.e., not xhost +york (where york is my laptop). #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:27 I may end up doing a VPN or something. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:27 Though the potential for lag there worries me. crr : 05/03/08 21:40 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:45 :'( Compiz can't be nested in Xdmx running under Compiz. ferrelaj : 05/03/08 21:45 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj : 05/03/08 21:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:53 :'( :'( Apparently it can't be run under Xdmx under Metacity, either. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:54 such a shame #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:54 We'll see about it with Chromium soon enough. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:56 gee.. maybe if OpenGL compositing was built into X instead of hacked together on top of it it would work.. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:56 Well, the error I get is "Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':1'." #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:57 So I wonder if Compiz left some lock file open when I killed it and started Metacity. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:57 It's the same one that I got when I was running Compiz already. #rhlug : 05/03/08 21:58 andy753421: You're welcome to write an X replacement at any time. #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:01 tommost: I already did, it's called Rio, but nobody uses it.. #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:03 No offense, but Rio sucks. #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:04 It either needs tiling or some other less-sucky way of managing windows. #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:04 And does it solve the OpenGL issue anyway? #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:04 I don't know, i don't care about OpenGL issues #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:05 (this is really just me saying that 'worse is better') #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:05 The way you manage windows in Rio is an example of "worst is worse," I think. #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:06 the way you manage windows in rio has nothing to do with the argument i'm talking about Mishtal : 05/03/08 22:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/03/08 22:06 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/03/08 22:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 22:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : tommost : 05/03/08 22:26 >< NICK : tommost_aorist #rhlug : 05/03/08 22:27 Oddly enough, Metacity shows exactly the same error message as Compiz when running under Xdmx. tommost : 05/03/08 23:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/03/08 23:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Mishtal : 05/03/08 23:18 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/03/08 23:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/03/08 23:29 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/03/08 23:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/03/08 23:30 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/03/08 23:53 there's a coding horror post about whether it's necessary to have www. in your web site url or not, this is the first comment: I'm always amazed when not typing in "www." manages to break things; my university's public website somehow redirects to the SSL port and breaks if you don't type WWW, which I've pointed out, though I continue to be ignored. #rhlug : 05/04/08 00:10 Mmm. kleinjt : 05/04/08 00:18 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection crr : 05/04/08 00:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 00:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : andy753421 : 05/04/08 00:26 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/04/08 00:59 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421 : 05/04/08 01:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 01:24 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost_aorist : 05/04/08 02:14 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:11 so i committed a tabbed browser example to http://lug.phire.org/svn/auchtery in case anyone's interested #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:17 note: memory leaks abound (particularly the tab close), but it works and is pretty easy to follow, and i'm tired of working on it #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:20 I'm assuming that's an example of using Webkit? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:20 crr: yup #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:21 it looks like it, i tried to compile it and got webkit demands, and decided i didn't care :) #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:21 I should probably see if there's a wxWidgets class to encapsulate a webkit panel #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:21 because wxwidgets is awesome #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:21 if not, writing one would be an interesting project #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:22 when does the first trimester start for us? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:23 Augest September right? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:24 visual proof that it works: http://freya.phire.org/tmp/2008-05-04-032413_1920x1200_scrot.png #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:25 gawd damn ineed to get my score up #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:26 rr73: freshman orientation starts 29 aug. score? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:26 score board #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:26 I get my laptop and stuff then? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:27 i get Housing in a few weeks #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:27 monday #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:28 monday? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:28 of orientation #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:28 ah #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:29 2012!!!!!!!!!!!! #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:29 the first few days of rose are hell #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:29 no laptop, no internet access, even if you bring a desktop #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:29 :D poor auchter, cut off from his laptop #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:29 what do you mean? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:29 we played euchre pretty much continuously #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:30 i've blanked out that internet-less time #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:30 uhm its called phone someone who is there already #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:30 ...huh? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 or called bring your cellphone #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 still not following. #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 Morasique~ I know people down there now #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 "down there" being rose? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 ACTION is North #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 yes #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 and? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:31 I can use their computer #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:32 if they're even reasonably sane, they won't let you. #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:32 i suppose if they're willing to let you use their machine for 4 days #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:32 What do you think I did when Guy went to his meeting? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:32 was that meeting 4 days long? #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:32 no #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:32 but then we had to burn daylight #rhlug : 05/04/08 03:33 wont be on it constantly #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:11 auchter: you should implement split windows and buffers like in vim #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:12 a list of features would be helpful #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:13 what the hell auchter, why are you listing -I's manually? #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:13 i'm not going to bother with that code any more, i was just doing it to learn gtk a bit #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:13 i'll actually start in the summer sometime #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:13 andy753421: ? #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:13 pkg-config #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:14 for glib? #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:15 i fixed it fi you do an update #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:15 yay, now it doesn't build for me #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:15 i think this comes back to my earlier policy that simple makefiles are obviously wrong #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:16 hm... #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:16 it comes back to my policy that my original mkfile was copied from the autoconfigured one from webkit #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:16 what does pkg-config --libs --cflags give you? #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:16 andy753421: it's my fault though #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:16 er, `{pkg-config --libs --cflags webkit-1.0} #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:17 they apparenly like changing the name (webkit-1.0) so maybe that's different for the current svn one #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:18 that, or you might need to PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:19 yup, that was it #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:23 another thing that i want is either right click or ctrl-right click to plumb either the selected text or the link being hovered over tommost : 05/04/08 04:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 04:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Mishtal : 05/04/08 04:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:38 tommost: i dont know how i got ubuntu to act like it is, but your right, focus follows mouse does exactly what i want. not it doesnt change the forward window when i click unless i click on the top bar of it. it is fantastic #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:38 gracias #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:44 Great. #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:45 In an unrelated note, has anyone else had trouble with video scaling under Hardy? #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:45 For me it seems to use nearest-neighbor (blocky) scaling, which is both ugly and slow. #rhlug : 05/04/08 04:45 This is only on my laptop (my desktop/server scales just fine). Morasique : 05/04/08 05:03 >< PART #rhlug : "Bin Laden CNCIS diwn Bin Laden SDI" Morasique : 05/04/08 05:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 05:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:05 apparently dbus is very important #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:05 as i discovered when i stopped it andy753421 : 05/04/08 05:05 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/04/08 05:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 05:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:13 Morasique: i don't even have dbus installed, i seem to get along just fine #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:14 well, you also don't use gnome #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:15 Yeah, virtually everything in Gnome seems to use D-bus. #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:15 apparently gnome panel depends on it, so that died, and the gnome network manager depends on gnome panel, so that died, and for some reason the network won't stay up without the gnome network manager, which makes absolutely no sense to me #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:15 ah, that would be why then #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:15 something in policykit messed up my dbus configuration so now i get errors about too many connections randomly #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:15 Morasique: that chain of dependencies is terrifying #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:16 policykit is pretty much the worse thing to ever happen to me #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:16 auchter: i thought you'd like that #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:16 gnome dependencies ftw #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:21 gnome is starting to scare me, i used to like it because the gnome applications tended to be less dependent on each other.. #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:22 i don't really know what applications are "gnome applications" and which aren't, i think most of them are just bundled with gnome #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:23 all the parts of gnome itself are really dependent on each other though #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:24 Morasique: what are you referring to as 'gnome itself'? #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:24 things like gnome panel and the gnome applets like network manager #rhlug : 05/04/08 05:24 i think everything in the system menu is part of gnome too Mishtal : 05/04/08 05:28 >< PART #rhlug : Morasique : 05/04/08 05:50 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/04/08 05:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 05:53 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : crr : 05/04/08 07:18 >< PART #rhlug : kleinjt : 05/04/08 13:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 13:52 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/04/08 13:53 auchter: have you written specifications for the motor controller control yet? #rhlug : 05/04/08 14:15 tommost: what time is the meeting? I did not see it in the email. #rhlug : 05/04/08 16:10 kleinjt: https://project.rhitrobotics.org/mw/UGVProject:Motor_controller #rhlug : 05/04/08 16:16 it would probably be best to implement it as an FSM #rhlug : 05/04/08 16:45 this just made my day: http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/dwm.png kleinjt : 05/04/08 17:10 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/04/08 17:15 auchter: Yeah, it looks much more usable than Rio. tommost : 05/04/08 17:47 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/04/08 17:59 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 17:59 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:05 ROBOTICS!!! #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:05 yay!!! #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:06 apparently when java gets compiled to bytecode, there's no boolean type, it's just an int, 1 for true and 0 for false. that seems inefficient kleinjt : 05/04/08 18:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 18:08 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:09 andy753421: ROBOTICS!!! #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:09 andy753421 seems to be very bad at remembering robotics meetings #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:09 or he hates you all andy753421 : 05/04/08 18:17 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/04/08 18:28 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 18:28 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:29 Morasique: no, actually, i just suck at waking up #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:29 especially on weekends #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:30 ah. well, that's understandable. fortunately my roommates get me up for lunch at 12:30 or i would probably sleep till monday #rhlug : 05/04/08 18:30 yea.. my roommates generally have to wake me up for dinner on saturdays kleinjt : 05/04/08 19:04 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr_kaaba : 05/04/08 19:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/04/08 19:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/04/08 19:30 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/04/08 19:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 19:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : kleinjt : 05/04/08 19:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 19:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Mishtal : 05/04/08 20:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:05 andy753421: do you know how to catch the "up" "down" button inputs from the consol? so like with xssh, if we press the "up" or "down" button, instead of going to the input stream, the program recieves it and we can do something else with it? #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:06 Mishtal: i haven't done that myself, but you might try looking at fgetc and/or reading for the terminal ($TTY) #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:08 andy753421: for maximum bloat, you could use readline(3) #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:08 er Mishtal #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:08 thank you auchter #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:08 andy what is ($tty) #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:08 actually, they don't want you to use readline (i was going to put that in the assignment as a suggestions) but apparently it's 'not a standard library' #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:09 Mishtal: its a variable containing the path to the device file associated with your terminal #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:09 andy753421: yeah, it's not like anyone uses bash #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:09 well, the reason that my group wants to be able to grab the up and down arrow keys is to go to previous commands, like a normal terminal #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:10 auchter: actually, bash has readline builtin i believe, but either way, they still don't have header files #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:10 Mishtal: "like a normal /shell/" the terminal doesn't do that #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:11 oh, sorry, thanks tommost : 05/04/08 20:23 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/04/08 20:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 20:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:30 Blazeix: How late are you going to be? Morasique : 05/04/08 20:48 >< PART #rhlug : "Mena Project Monarch ASIO Janet Reno 22nd SAS" Blazeix : 05/04/08 20:49 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/04/08 20:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 20:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:50 tommost: he just got back, he's on his way #rhlug : 05/04/08 20:50 Okay. Morasique : 05/04/08 20:50 >< PART #rhlug : "militia crypto anarchy Abu Ghraib illuminati Albright" andy753421 : 05/04/08 20:51 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/04/08 20:51 >< QUIT : "Leaving" andy753421 : 05/04/08 21:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 21:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/04/08 21:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 21:03 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Morasique : 05/04/08 21:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 21:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : crr : 05/04/08 21:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 21:08 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : tommost : 05/04/08 21:19 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/04/08 21:38 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 21:38 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : ferrelaj : 05/04/08 21:38 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/04/08 21:52 >< QUIT : "Leaving." ferrelaj : 05/04/08 22:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/04/08 22:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 22:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:18 andy753421: #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:18 with variable substitution, what is the expected behavior of undefined variables #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:21 like a real shell (empty string) #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:22 hm.. #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:23 well, maybe not.. let me think #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:24 the docs say that the value is 'undefined' so i guess it doesn't matter #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:24 you can make it whatever you like #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:25 uint32_t corresponds to "l" (ell) in a printf(), right? #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:26 Since xssh breaks up whitespace differently and doesn't have quotes, it causes some problems when using empty strings as args.. #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:27 tommost: that's a long, you should porbably use '%u' #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:27 Ah, thanks. #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:28 (actually, l is a length modifier) you can also use %x if you want it in hex #rhlug : 05/04/08 22:28 Better. I was using %lx. Mishtal : 05/04/08 22:34 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Joseph_Preston : 05/04/08 22:35 >< JOIN : #rhlug Joseph_Preston : 05/04/08 22:35 >< PART #rhlug : ferrelaj : 05/04/08 22:56 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/04/08 22:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj : 05/04/08 23:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/04/08 23:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 23:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/04/08 23:37 I e-mailed Archana—she says that we don't have to validate the Ethernet checksums. #rhlug : 05/04/08 23:37 (Blazeix) #rhlug : 05/04/08 23:38 tommost: good #rhlug : 05/04/08 23:38 Seems like she probably should have mentioned that. Morasique : 05/04/08 23:40 >< PART #rhlug : "munitions high security Fedayeen Uzi Aladdin" Morasique : 05/04/08 23:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 23:53 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : kleinjt : 05/04/08 23:57 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/04/08 23:59 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/04/08 23:59 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : povilusr_kaaba : 05/05/08 00:13 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:14 andy753421: #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:14 is the plc server down? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:21 does anyone in here have access to the csse server room? the plc.cs.rose server crashed and none of the plc TA's really have access aside from andy #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 did you try going up there? mcleish is there all the time #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 Mishtal: why do you assume I have access? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 im off campus #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 because ive heard you talk about going into the room before #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 therefore my assumption was that you had access to the room #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 however, i can be wrong #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:22 nope, that was when it was open or when I was with someone else #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:23 oh #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:23 i don't think any of the students have keys to that room #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:23 i think that you are thinking correctly. #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:23 then, i guess that i am going to have to wait for the server to kill the process by itself #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:23 I certainly hope there's a CPU time quota less than three months #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 Mishtal: were you the one who crashed it? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 no #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 i wasnt #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 but it is still not working #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 Mishtal: alright #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 andy753421: thanks #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:24 I'll take the blame - I kind of didn't notice an infinite loop in my PLC code under certain conditions and so it's probably got a runaway process #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:25 i would think there's a check for that #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:25 I would too #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:25 bolandmg: actually, that should be killed, (assuming the guy who set up the assignment didn't set the maxtime to blank) #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:25 but I never got a results screen for that upload and now the server is insanely slow to respond #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:26 can't somebody just ssh in to kill it? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:26 Morasique: i'm trying, but that's going slow, actually everything on that machine goes slow because it's running on a VM #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:27 awesome #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:28 linux needs a network interface for magic sysrq keys tommost : 05/05/08 00:35 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/05/08 00:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 00:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : povilusr_kaaba : 05/05/08 00:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:54 does anyone know how to tell google to stop trying to be smart and just to a search for exactly all the words i type in? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:55 quotes? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:55 use quotes #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:55 but with quotes it still searches variants of your words, doesn't it? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:55 paste tenses, gerunds, et cetera #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:56 maybe, seems to be better than without quotes tough, is there a page anywhere that tells you all this stuff? #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:56 there is, i have no idea where #rhlug : 05/05/08 00:57 this looks like it might be it: http://www.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=searchguides.html&ctx=basics&hl=en povilusr_desktop : 05/05/08 01:00 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:06 andy753421: any luck with the server? #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:24 bolandmg: i e-mailed mcleish, other than that, no #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:24 not to worry, mcleish has been e-mailed. the problem is as good as solved povilusr_desktop : 05/05/08 01:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:43 ah, so the problem is as good as solved in 2014 and the world disappears until then or something? #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:44 No, the world will be destroyed on July 5th, 1998 #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:45 oh, i forgot about that. darn #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:47 i'm pretty sure the world will end in twenty-eight days, six hours, forty-two minutes, twelve seconds #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:47 everyone knows this #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:48 No, the end of the world will occur on July 5th, 1998, as Bob has predicted. Our calendar system is clearly flawed, for this date has not yet arrived. #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:48 Unless our world was switched with another #rhlug : 05/05/08 01:54 kleinjt: you forgot the halo, it's "Bob" #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:01 Oh, good old "Bob". #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:01 auchter: Thanks for the correction, may "Bob" justify your sins. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:05 wow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Legal_matters #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:10 I think wikipedia needs a list of dates that the world will end #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:11 i think it has a list somewhere of the predicted dates for the rapture #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:23 Morasique: nice userpage on the lug wiki #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:23 i try #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:36 highlighting corresponding parentheses would be a very useful feature in maple #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:36 Yeah. The way it underlines them is really lame. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:36 oh, i didn't even know it did that. do you use java maple? #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:37 To my shame and pain. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:37 ah; any reason you don't use classic mode? #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:37 I think that the one time I tried it didn't work or something. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:37 I don't really care that much. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:42 i seem to recall someone last year (must have been andy753421 or octavious) talking about interfacing maple and vim... #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:44 auchter: that was me.. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:49 Is anyone aware of an easy way to get maple calculate command line arguments? #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:50 So, I accidentally bought the class an extra 24 hours on this PLC assignment. #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:51 kleinjt: maplearg() {echo "$@" \; | maple} #rhlug : 05/05/08 02:53 andy753421: awesome, thanks #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:08 Is there a good command-line app out there that does cp's job but provides feedback as to progress/speed of the operation for large transfers? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:08 pv can show a progress bar #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:10 for large transfers i would use rsync #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:11 On a related note, what's the best way to set up automated backups? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:12 I've used unison under Windows. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:12 i suppose cron + rsync would work #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:13 i use cron + rsync + shell scripts #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:14 Anyone happen to know how to backup PostgreSQL? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:14 is there a postgresql equivalent to mysqdump? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:14 Probably. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:15 list the contents of the postgresql package and grep for '/bin/' #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:15 or dump.. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:15 It's called pg_dump. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:18 interesting.. http://joomla.cs.rose-hulman.edu/ #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:18 Actually, pg_dumpall would be better. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:18 andy753421: isn't that the failed attempt to switch to joomla? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:19 maybe? it looks like it was updated recently though #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:19 looks pretty failurific though #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:19 Indeed. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:19 someone was just talking about how the cs department tried to switch to joomla and failed spectacularly, i thought it was you at the lug meeting #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:19 yea, that was me, that was at the beginning of the year though, maybe there's a renewed effort to fail slightly less? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:21 http://joomla.cs.rose-hulman.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=30 #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:21 notice sriram's picture... #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:21 Indeed. #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:21 (Apparently all I do is agree.) #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:22 http://support.cs.rose-hulman.edu/index.html #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:23 (apparently domain transfers of cs.rose still work as long as you reset your DNS server to the CSSE Depts DNS server) #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:23 :D #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:23 "Written in object-oriented Perl, RT is a high-level, portable, platform independent system that eases collaboration within organizations and makes it easy for them to take care of their customers." #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:23 what's the ip of their dns server? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:24 137.112.40.11 (its set for the public servers) #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:26 i wish i still had the output of the zone transfer on rose-hulman.edu from last year #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:27 What are you guys talking about? #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:27 what's the axfr command on linux? i can't figure it out #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:27 dig @137.112.40.11 cs.rose-hulman.edu axfr #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:27 or host -al #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:27 ah. neat #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:28 notice the phantom-(ubuntu|fedora) #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:28 auchter: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/transfers/ #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:28 tommost: if you run a zone transfer on a domain you can get all the dns records for it #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:28 ah, excellent #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:29 (emphasis on the 'temp'..) #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:29 i've grabbed them all #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:32 heh, i never knew that gentoo.cs went to ftp.cs Blazeix : 05/05/08 03:38 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:40 they misspelled moench's name on the department history page. you wouldn't think that would be hard to spell #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:42 "The pictures you see in the background of this page" #rhlug : 05/05/08 03:42 ...there is no background kleinjt : 05/05/08 03:42 >< QUIT : "Leaving" Blazeix : 05/05/08 03:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 03:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Mishtal : 05/05/08 03:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:10 kleinjt's user page: "I'm planning to finish off markbot (rewriting into Python from Java) and stick it on the NGW100, so it can be around all the time on the LUG IRC channel. That is a good thing? Yes. It really is." #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:10 it occurs to me that markbot won't be an op anymore. the reign of terror ends #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:14 Morasique: that is perhaps the largest conky conifguration i've seen Mishtal : 05/05/08 04:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:14 also the most magnificent Mishtal : 05/05/08 04:14 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:18 Morasique: good to use compiz using 11% of your cpu #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:19 when i first took that screenshot i saw that and seriously thought to myself, "auchter is going to make fun of this at some point". i even considered doctoring it, but then i realized 11% is actually pretty low for compiz, it's been known to get to 50% when i'm not even doing anything #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:21 firefox is using 20% of my memory too, for no reason. evil firefox #rhlug : 05/05/08 04:43 i have no idea why i'm finding this so entertaining: http://www.spinroot.com/pico/pjw.html povilusr_desktop : 05/05/08 04:51 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:06 auchter: I wish that you'd posted that a couple of days earlier. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:06 There was fresh cement available on campus. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:08 going to put pjw's picture in the cement? #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:09 I was looking at it and thinking, "I need something clever-yet-obscure to put here." #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:24 hm.. i wonder if we called it a 'Educational Research Project' if they would let us fix the CSSE network #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:24 Someone should make it their senior project. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:25 They can replace Angel with Moodle while they're at it. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:25 aren't senior project projects already due? #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:25 the proposals were due, we haven't picked projects yet, i vote we make it a write-in project #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:25 everyone put down project 46: fix the csse network #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:27 (i'm being completely serious here..) I might go talk to Dr. Mellor about it tomorrow #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:27 i wouldn't want it to be a senior project though, there'd be to much crufty requirements associated with that #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:28 yeah, i doubt they'd let you do that for senior project anyway. he might let you as a different project though #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:29 I wonder who is behind the Joomla site. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:31 haha, click the register link and look at the bottom "designed by SiteGround web hosting" #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:31 how safe of an assumption is it that the angel server is synced to the same clock as addiator? #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:31 I'd guess that they'd both probably synced the rose-hulman time server #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:33 auchter: why? #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:34 i've got to register for a presentation time-slot for crypto, and the page becomes active at 10AM monday #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:34 i just want to make sure i'm the first one on there #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:34 auchter: Its a good thing you just said that, or else I would have forgotten to register for classes tomorrow #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:34 err. today. Monday #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:35 it looks like they're close at least, estimating from the banner token timeout Morasique : 05/05/08 05:35 >< PART #rhlug : "threat UFO CIA Afghanistan electronic surveillance" Morasique : 05/05/08 05:35 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 05:35 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:36 yeah, i wish they would move the signup forward around 4 hours to allow people to wake up at a sane time and register #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:36 this 8:00 stuff needs to stop #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:36 yeah, i'm not sure why they do that #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:37 yeah, I'm at 7:00 AM #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:37 I should probably go to bed now. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:37 auchter: i think that generally forward means earlier.. #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:37 blazeix: or just stay up #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:37 er, back then #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:38 we should just say "good direction" and "bad direction", everyone knows which is which #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:38 registration should be moved 4 hours in the good direction #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:39 i actually went to my advisor early this time #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:40 seems like every time i miss my registration window because i am lazy and dont talk to my advisor #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:40 my advisor always forgets, i e-mailed him this time #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:40 i usually have a hard time finding my advisor #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:40 i have a feeling he hides from us #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:41 auchter: who is your advisor #rhlug : 05/05/08 05:42 octavious: yoder tommost : 05/05/08 07:34 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." collinjc : 05/05/08 11:22 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/05/08 11:28 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/05/08 12:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_ : 05/05/08 12:34 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" Morasique : 05/05/08 12:58 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/05/08 13:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 13:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : collinjc : 05/05/08 13:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/05/08 13:38 >< PART #rhlug : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/05/08 13:54 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/05/08 13:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 13:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Mishtal : 05/05/08 14:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishta1 : 05/05/08 14:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishta1 : 05/05/08 14:07 >< PART #rhlug : andy753421 : 05/05/08 14:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 14:08 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Mishtal : 05/05/08 14:27 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Morasique : 05/05/08 14:35 >< PART #rhlug : "9/11 DES enforcers anthrax JFK" Blazeix : 05/05/08 14:40 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc : 05/05/08 14:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/05/08 14:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 14:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : collinjc : 05/05/08 14:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost : 05/05/08 14:52 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421 : 05/05/08 14:57 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/05/08 15:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 15:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:27 why do all the ECE courses have MA222 as a prereq? #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:31 laplace transforms, for example kleinjt : 05/05/08 15:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 15:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:31 hm.. "History of Mathematics" that sounds nice an easy, and umathy #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:31 *unmathy #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:33 do you need a math elective? just find a cs class that's cross listed #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:34 Morasique: i already did that #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:34 oh. again? #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:34 yea.. i need a couple of them, i took theory of comp as math #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:35 i'm really enjoying cryptography... that will be taught by csse dept. next year and be crosslisted kleinjt : 05/05/08 15:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:37 i might end up doing that, i would have liked to get it out of the way this quarter though #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:38 although Wollowski's class on logic sounds interesting, and fits into my schedule better #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:38 i'm thoroughly looking forward to cryptography, the only reason i waited was to take it in the department #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:39 looking at last years crypto page, it seemed like their class was more heavily structured #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:39 as in, problems for homework were mandatory, etc. #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:39 the system that holden has in place is rather nice #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:40 your homework wasn't mandatory? #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:40 well, it was in a way #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:40 the homework was split into math and cs problems, and there was a point value assigned for each problem #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:40 on each assignment, we had to do a minimum of 4 math points and 4 cs points #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:40 ah #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:40 to get an A on homework, we had to do 16 points total per assignment #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:41 but this way you can chose interesting problems, which is kind of nice #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:46 So apparently, the cs dept is dead set on using joomla :( #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:46 who did you talk to? #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:46 I think i will continue my forked version #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:47 darryl who talked to mcleish #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:47 no explanation why? #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:48 they think it will be easier to support, or they understand it better, or something #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:48 i think it's mostly that they mcleish made a decision and doesn't want to consider any alternatives #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:50 not exactly unprecedented of him #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:50 they still haven't given a reasonable explanation about deleting ubuntu off those machines, so i wouldn't hold out for a reasonable explanation of this #rhlug : 05/05/08 15:51 auchter: they like to keep us on our toes andy753421 : 05/05/08 15:54 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Mishta1 : 05/05/08 15:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/05/08 16:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 16:10 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/05/08 16:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 16:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Morasique : 05/05/08 16:35 >< PART #rhlug : "[Hello to all my friends and fans in domestic surveillance] Tony Blair Osama event security NORAD" Morasique : 05/05/08 16:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 16:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Blazeix : 05/05/08 16:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 16:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:47 i'm trying to play sonic the hedgehog in steve's class, but i feel guilty #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:48 i'm not listening or anything crazy, but playing games still seems wrong #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:48 if your not going to play games, what other excuse do you have for attending class? #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:49 I considered trying out some urban terror mods I found. #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:50 But he might notice, or one of the many people behind me. #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:50 i don't care about the people behind me, and steve wouldn't notice if i unplugged his machine and played urban terror on the projector while he was talking #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:56 Hmm. Chenoweth just mentioned 'The Gimp'. Maybe he isn't as hopeless as he seems. #rhlug : 05/05/08 16:56 he probably wasn't talking about the image editor collinjc : 05/05/08 17:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:19 Does anyone know what chenoweth was talking about when he said "sourceforge is where open source goes to die"? #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:20 it was a guest speaker in 376, he sits in on my class #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:20 oh #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:20 i think he forgot that it was a different class #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:21 Blazeix: OMG, submit that wacky prof quote right now #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:23 He's hilarious! #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:23 He got all of our hopes up. #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:24 eliza's grasp of her project concerns me #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:24 i knew that they used mantis, and she didn't andy753421 : 05/05/08 17:24 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:24 She just destroyed his example though #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:24 so that's worth something #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:24 true. maybe it was intentional #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:25 I'm also fairly certain that bugzilla and subversion integrate well #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:25 he has no idea what he's talking about, he knows the words, and probably guesses that bugzilla is a bug tracker #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:26 Isaac told him #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:26 i'll have to hit him later #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:26 When isaac said "bugzilla" chenoweth started writing 'g.. o..." #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:26 isaac should have let him write godzilla on the board. #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:29 crr: epic fail #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:29 I think he's paying attention just as much as we are. Blazeix : 05/05/08 17:29 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc : 05/05/08 17:29 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/05/08 17:30 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishta1 : 05/05/08 17:30 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/05/08 17:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 17:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : povilusr_ : 05/05/08 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:39 bolandmg: can you send me a copy of the code that you think crashed the PLC server? Blazeix : 05/05/08 17:40 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 17:40 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:41 So, BBC is running an article about the US primaries, and they show this picture of hillary clinton: #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:41 http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44627000/jpg/_44627801_clinton_afp226b.jpg #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:41 I believe this incontrovertible proof that clinton eats babies. #rhlug : 05/05/08 17:41 *this is* Morasique : 05/05/08 17:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 17:54 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Blazeix : 05/05/08 18:11 >< QUIT : "leaving" andy753421 : 05/05/08 18:21 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/05/08 18:29 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" tommost : 05/05/08 18:30 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/05/08 18:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 18:32 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:35 damn cpes in this room messing up my schedule by filling up ece342... Blazeix : 05/05/08 18:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 18:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Mishtal : 05/05/08 18:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:37 So, I'm thinking I'm going to change my presentation topic from Mezzo to 'alternative GUIs' in general. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:38 There isn't a lot of material for just Mezzo. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:38 what was mezzo again? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:38 symphonyOS's custom desktop environment #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:38 but there most recent release is alpha quality at best. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:41 I'll probably talk about gOS, openGEU (enlightenment), and dream linux. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:41 Maybe the alpha release of KDE4.1, if I can get everything working. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:53 Yeah, do that. I'm curious about KDE, i.e., why on Earth it has a right to exist. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:53 i'm told it's much more flexible than gnome #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:54 I wasn't really impressed by KDE4, but I don't think it was recommended for widespread use. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:54 Yeah, but then I try it and find out that "flexible" apparently means "fucked up." #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:54 Granted, that was 3.x. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:54 Which is more popular? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:54 I guess an alpha release of 4.1 isn't recommended either, but its worth a shot. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 tommost: between 4 and 3? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 Between Gnome and KDE. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 i think kde is more popular among the 1337 h4x0r5, but i'm not sure. gnome being the default in ubuntu probably helped it out some #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 i recall linus saying once that gnome should just die and everyone should use kde, he can't stand gnome #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 gnome has a habit of dumbing things down #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 and omitting useful options #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 Its a huge pain to edit menus in Gnome #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:55 My experience with KDE suggests the opposite. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 Blazeix: system -> preferences -> main menu? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 I don't think you can even edit some of the menus in gnome #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 But yeah, Gnome is sometimes irritatingly restricted. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 Morasique: can you edit anything other than the application menu? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 or the right click context menu? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 yeah, you can edit the system menu too #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 oh, no #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 last time I tried, i couldn't #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 it's just for the gnome menu #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:56 Blazeix: Why would you want to? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:57 I like fluxbox's version of apps in the right click menu. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:57 xfce has an option to emulate that too. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:57 i don't use the menus at all, but i can see wanting to change the right click one #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:57 On the desktop? #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:58 yeah #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:58 Meh. I avoid menus whenever possible. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:58 apparently you can get KDE4.0 on the most recent version of kubuntu. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:59 I wonder if they did anything to it to make it better. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:59 I used a WM for Windows that did that for a long time. I just made shortcuts in a bar for every program that I actually used. #rhlug : 05/05/08 18:59 FYI, don't install KDE 3.x on an regular Ubuntu system... it messes stuff up. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:00 I've never made it more than a week with any version of kde installed. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:00 kde was the default on mandrake when i tried it ages ago, and it pretty much made me hate linux #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:01 I had all 700 MB of it installed for several weeks because kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which doesn't unmark its requirements when you remove it. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:01 I still have crap on my system. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:01 DIE KONSOLE KDIE. KKKKKK!!! #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:02 metapackages never do, they really should #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:02 I wouldn't say that they automatically should, but there should be a way to do so that's easy enough to find. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:03 apt-get should ask you when you uninstall the metapackage. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:03 i would think they automatically should, why would you remove a metapackage unless you wanted to remove the packages it points to, there's no other reason #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:03 But metapackages can get automatically uninstalled. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:04 When you remove one of their prereqs or something. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:04 I think that I technically don't have ubuntu-desktop installed because I removed something useless. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:11 auchter: When are you holding that electronics meeting tonight? #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:12 i don't think i'll be able to have one tonight #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:13 we'll just meet after the general meeting tomorrow #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:13 Okay. I'll tell Brian that. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:13 if jon/brian want to meet tonight and work on stuff, i'm obviously fine with that #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:13 there's a list on the whiteboard of things to do #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:13 Okay. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:13 I'll ask kleinjt when he shows up. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:17 argh, the emails #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:17 Indeed. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:19 does anyone happen to have a premade list of all-campus spammers that i can import into my spam list easily? #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:19 The LUG should offer that as a service. Blazeix : 05/05/08 19:20 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:20 Offer a plugin for Thunderbird that communicates with the LUG server to provide spam identification services. #rhlug : 05/05/08 19:21 It should be easy, since the spammers aren't disguising there e-mails—we can just use their unique IDs to pick them out. Morasique : 05/05/08 19:21 >< PART #rhlug : "Taiwan S Key Uzi Panama Bin Laden" Morasique : 05/05/08 19:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 19:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Mishtal : 05/05/08 19:40 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_desktop : 05/05/08 19:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/05/08 19:47 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/05/08 19:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 19:50 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Mishtal : 05/05/08 19:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/05/08 20:05 >< PART #rhlug : "Capricorn bemd TWA blackjack Qaddafi" andy753421 : 05/05/08 20:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 20:12 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : quark : 05/05/08 20:12 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/05/08 20:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/05/08 20:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 20:32 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Morasique : 05/05/08 20:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 20:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : collinjc : 05/05/08 21:28 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/05/08 21:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/05/08 21:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/05/08 21:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Mishtal : 05/05/08 22:07 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/05/08 23:58 Blazeix: this is about 5 hours late, but you definitely won't be able to use KDE4 on a regular basis until the final 4.1 release, because everything in the 4.0 series if more of a preview to get people interested. It's nigh unusable. kleinjt : 05/06/08 00:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/06/08 00:24 bolandmg: not to worry, kde users are used to nigh unusable #rhlug : 05/06/08 00:47 Morasique: Oh snap! #rhlug : 05/06/08 00:59 bolandmg: Thanks, I think I'm actually going to look at kdemod 4. It seems like it might be more polished. #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:02 Blazeix: i sent out an e-mail about choosing slides, since it looks like we can't meet today #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:06 wow. i don't know what mac font sriram used for the senior project form, but it looks terrible on my machine #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:14 Morasique: I chose my slides. That's a neat program. Does it take odp presentations or did you have to get the images manually? #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:15 no, it doesn't do anything fancy, i just wrote it now for this purpose. i used imagemagick to extract them, it can do pdf -> one png/page kleinjt : 05/06/08 01:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 01:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : povilusr_kaaba : 05/06/08 01:47 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:49 i really need to start paying attention to what i'm doing #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:50 i found a container of ice cream in the refrigerator povilusr_kaaba : 05/06/08 01:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:56 Morasique: the pdf sriram sent displays fine for me. I've had that problem when the msttcorefonts (or whatever they're called) were not installed. #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:56 i think they are installed. maybe i just don't like his font #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:56 auchter: If you let it get too warm and it gets really runny, try pouring it into an ice cube mold and sticking it in the freezer with Popsicle sticks sticking out. #rhlug : 05/06/08 01:59 i just put it back in the freezer; i think i'll just relegate it to floats #rhlug : 05/06/08 02:15 auchter: you should upload your presentation stuff on plumbing, and send me a link to that thing that lets you right click things in urxvt andy753421 : 05/06/08 02:19 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/06/08 02:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/06/08 02:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 02:41 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/06/08 02:52 andy753421: http://sqweek.dnsdojo.org/wmii/plumb.txt #rhlug : 05/06/08 02:52 i'll upload my plumbing config later, i need to study yet Mishtal : 05/06/08 02:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug small_motorbot : 05/06/08 02:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug small_motorbot : 05/06/08 02:57 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr_ : 05/06/08 02:59 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) povilusr_desktop : 05/06/08 03:10 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" collinjc : 05/06/08 03:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/06/08 03:38 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/06/08 03:50 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421 : 05/06/08 03:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 03:52 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:21 Blazeix: you've been working on networking for approximately 8 hours. i just thought you'd want to know that #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:22 Morasique: Thanks. The deadline was 12:00. #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:23 oh. i feel bad breaking this to you guys, but....we're past that. you should probably stop #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:23 i like seeing the past tense and the word "deadline" used in the same sentence #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:23 You're all terrible meanies. #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:23 and yet they haven't stopped working #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:24 i've had some harsh words hurled at me, but "terrible meany" may be new #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:24 i usually hope that the grader just doesn't check the time the final commit was made #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:24 this has usually worked out fine for me. #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:24 betting that the grader is lazy is almost always safe #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:26 ferrel is a grader for networks. you can bet safely that he is lazy #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:44 ferrel doesn't grade the programming portions, so you're probably at archana's mercy #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:52 :-D #rhlug : 05/06/08 04:52 poor you kleinjt : 05/06/08 04:54 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:11 ACTION curses bode plots #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:11 ACTION curses C #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:12 ACTION curses java bytecode #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:12 ACTION curses computer networks. #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:13 ACTION curses his roommate that went to sleep at 10 #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:14 ACTION is sad that he has to register at 8:30, and therefore be awake at 8:30 #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:14 i vote for oversleeping, that's what i did #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:15 i should probably figure out what classes i am taking #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:27 you could be brave and type in CRNs at random #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:42 it's like registration russian roulette #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:58 Happy Birthday Tom! #rhlug : 05/06/08 05:59 Thanks! Blazeix : 05/06/08 05:59 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost : 05/06/08 05:59 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/06/08 06:24 has anyone ever used bluetooth headphones with linux? tommost : 05/06/08 06:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 06:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/06/08 06:29 http://hackety.org/2008/05/05/sneakingRubyThroughGoogleAppEngine.html #rhlug : 05/06/08 06:37 no more bytecode :'( tommost : 05/06/08 06:50 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/06/08 06:54 hey, gcc 4.3 is out! collinjc : 05/06/08 09:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/06/08 11:31 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt : 05/06/08 12:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 12:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Morasique : 05/06/08 12:55 >< PART #rhlug : "Downing Street encryption SHA Chobetsu Kosovo" tommost : 05/06/08 13:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 13:06 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : jboticsource : 05/06/08 13:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/06/08 13:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/06/08 13:48 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/06/08 13:52 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/06/08 13:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 13:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/06/08 13:58 one of the article's in iait's newsletter starts "over the summer, iait will be making a series of upgrades to imrpove communications on campus". i let myself believe we were getting better internet. they actually meant they're rolling out some new microsoft office thing #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:25 we need a bigger pipe #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:38 i continue to blame freshman. tommost: stop clogging our intertubes #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:39 Morasique: All I do is web browsing! #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:42 lies. you look like a bittorrenter. i can feel it #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:43 bittorrenting is illegal you know. i read the thorn #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:43 I admit it. I torrented the Harvey Danger album. #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:43 And I seeded. #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:43 For hours. #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:43 I even tried to set up my server to seed. #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:44 Oh, wow—it's still seeding. #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:44 ACTION gasps #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:44 Screen is awesome. collinjc : 05/06/08 14:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/06/08 14:44 it is Morasique : 05/06/08 14:45 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/06/08 14:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 14:53 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : povilusr_desktop : 05/06/08 15:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:08 does not matter who is to blame #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:08 we need a bigger pipe Morasique : 05/06/08 15:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 15:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:17 jboticsource: Agreed. #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:17 at a top notch engineering school, and paying 40k + for tuition, there is no excuse to have A HUGE PIPE #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:17 i mean we need a god connection #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:18 open a support ticket #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:18 "we require 1 god connection please" #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:18 lol #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:18 i'm inclined to think that a polytheistic solution might be better #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 hmmm #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 well, for extra redundancy, you know #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 1 gods connection? #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 "we require 1 pantheon please" #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 or do we need a different connection for each god #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 somebody research this #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 lug presentation #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:19 each god i think leads to different parts of the internetwebtubes #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:20 i bet there's one god for myspace and all the other gods make fun of him #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:20 like Bacchus leads to all the porn sites #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:20 ares lead to all the gaming sites #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:20 etc #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:20 povilusr prays to both of those daily #rhlug : 05/06/08 15:21 someone need to lead to the p2p nets tommost : 05/06/08 15:35 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/06/08 15:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 15:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : kleinjt : 05/06/08 16:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 16:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/06/08 16:26 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/06/08 16:35 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/06/08 16:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 16:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Morasique : 05/06/08 16:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 16:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/06/08 16:57 my god. I'm getting dumber listening to steve's lecture #rhlug : 05/06/08 16:58 i hadn't heard a word until "when did wild poodles roam the earth?" i cannot imagine what i could've missed that would make that not insane #rhlug : 05/06/08 16:58 If he mentions poodles one more time I'm going to shoot myself. #rhlug : 05/06/08 16:58 He let us in on the insight that poodles never actually roamed the earth. They were wolves. #rhlug : 05/06/08 16:59 thank goodness he let us know that. #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:07 steve is training us how to spot the important people in a picture #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:08 they're the ones wearing suits, if you all were wondering. absorb that knowledge #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:09 wait wait wait, why do you need to recognize important people in a picture? #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:09 why indeed. why do i need to know when wild poodles roamed the earth? it's better not to ask jboticsource : 05/06/08 17:09 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:10 i think crr is asleep #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:10 I think the poodle thing was supposed to be a metaphor for the software architectural process. #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:10 It probably one makes sense in steve's mind. #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:11 i missed what just happened, but he was looking around for about 10 seconds with both thumbs up, i almost gave him a thumbs up back, i have no idea what he wanted #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:11 *ban* #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:11 d'oh. *bang* Blazeix : 05/06/08 17:11 >< QUIT : "'dies'" Blazeix : 05/06/08 17:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 17:12 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:13 alright. I'm back from the dead. I feel like i should actively stop Steve from editing that html file in MS Word. #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:16 yeah, he could write html manually #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:16 ACTION snickers at the thought #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:16 somebody wake crr up before his team goes #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:19 he has sung the little steve tune no less than 5 times today. i think it's a record #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:19 i should keep track #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:19 6 times Mishtal : 05/06/08 17:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/06/08 17:20 >< PART #rhlug : "omg yay" Blazeix : 05/06/08 17:21 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/06/08 17:21 and you complain when we make fun of embedded andy753421 : 05/06/08 18:25 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/06/08 18:35 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 18:35 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : quark : 05/06/08 19:19 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/06/08 19:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/06/08 19:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." rr73 : 05/06/08 19:41 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) tommost_nokia770 : 05/06/08 20:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost_nokia770 : 05/06/08 20:12 >< QUIT : Client Quit kleinjt : 05/06/08 20:21 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 20:21 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : tommost : 05/06/08 20:21 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/06/08 20:22 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 20:22 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:22 What key is Mod4? #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:22 gah. I switched to zsh, and now I keep unintentionally trying tab completion on every other program. I think it is a net loss of time #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:23 tommost: depends on how it is bound. on my keyboard it is my windows key andy753421 : 05/06/08 20:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 20:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:25 I just spent twenty minutes trying to activate Awesome's keybindings under Xdmx so that I could exit and check my e-mail (or, heck, just launch a damn program). #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:25 I'm guessing that they're getting caught by the host Xserver or something. #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:27 tommost: havent heard af dmx until you mentioned it. seems pretty neat #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:27 can you detach / reattach X backends? Morasique : 05/06/08 20:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 20:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Mishtal : 05/06/08 20:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:56 octavious: Yes. #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:58 And as it turns out, the problem may have been that my Bluetooth keyboard just stopped working randomly. #rhlug : 05/06/08 20:59 It's never done this before. tommost : 05/06/08 21:00 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost_aorist : 05/06/08 21:21 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:23 Xdmx is soooo cool. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:25 hmm, xdmx runs on irix... #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:26 tommost_aorist: what kind of latency/speed is there for remote displays #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:27 I haven't noticed any significant, but then I haven't done anything where it should matter yet. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:27 you should try playing a video on another screen #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:27 I'll try playing a video as soon as I finish configuring Xdmx. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:28 s/Xdmx/awesome/ #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:28 i tried awesome a while ago and didn't really like it #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:29 I looks like it does multiple monitors well. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:29 Plus it does the tagging thing. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:29 It's like dwm + features. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:29 well yeah, it was based off of dwm initially #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:31 time to boot up the octane and compile xdmx... good thing the air conditioning is running #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:31 It should be easier for you... you can trust your network. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:32 I ssh in from the computer I have the extra monitor(s) on in order to get a secure X connection. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:32 you should know that trust isn't really in my vocabulary #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:32 Well, you can firewall stuff off. So you can put the untrusted bit somewhere else. tommost_aorist : 05/06/08 21:33 >< NICK : tommost_aorist_ #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:35 i'm terrified that this tarball is 40MB. #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:35 luckily i'm downloading at 1200KB/s... i love not dealing with saturated tubes #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:36 ACTION look into awesome #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:37 they picked a stuipd name though, it makes it impossible to google for andy753421 : 05/06/08 21:46 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/06/08 21:48 is there a maximum value for oom_score? collinjc : 05/06/08 21:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost_aorist_ : 05/06/08 22:05 >< NICK : tommost_aorist #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:08 The ARA just got rick rolled. #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:08 I'm sorry that I missed that. #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:08 how did this happen? #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:09 I was quite pleased to get a decent piece of cake for my birthday, though. #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:10 WHMD was playing music for the special dinner event and I went up to request it. They said I needed 10 people. I went back to the table got everyone to come back with me. #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:11 And, a few songs later, they played it. Blazeix : 05/06/08 22:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 22:12 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : andy753421 : 05/06/08 22:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 22:17 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Morasique : 05/06/08 22:28 >< QUIT : "leaving" #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:31 Blazeix: further proof? http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080506&t=2&i=4150220&w=192&r=2008-05-06T192140Z_01_N30550175_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0 kleinjt : 05/06/08 22:36 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/06/08 22:37 Man, I almost feel a little bit like I'm losing out only having Mohan for 371 and 372. Sure, there's maybe a slight chance I'll actually learn something, but Steve sounds entertaining. rr72 : 05/06/08 22:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/06/08 22:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 22:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : kleinjt : 05/06/08 22:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/06/08 22:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:00 how does awesome compare to dwm #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:00 octavious: seems more configurable, (or, maybe, just configurable) #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:03 what about wmii? #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:04 awesome seems a little more lightweight, and has a bit more of options/plugins but it's not quite as flexable #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:04 although, that's only from about ~20 minutes play around with it, (i'm sticking with wmii for the time being) #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:07 i used awesome on phantom.cs (since dwm and xinerama didn't get along too well at the time) kleinjt : 05/06/08 23:09 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/06/08 23:11 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/06/08 23:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_work : 05/06/08 23:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/06/08 23:42 >< PART #rhlug : ferrelaj_work : 05/06/08 23:54 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:55 ROBOTICS!!! andy753421 : 05/06/08 23:58 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/06/08 23:59 you're all horrible at being here on time #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:22 if i were in robotics, i would own at being on time #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:22 sadly, i am not #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:30 have my id# for school andy753421 : 05/07/08 00:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 00:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:51 i had a "partial distribution upgrade" today, one of the upgrades was emacs. apparently by "upgrade" it meant "erase forever" #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:52 Morasique: for emacs, that is an upgrade #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:53 i hate you #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:53 I'm installing kdemod4, which is a special version of kde4 for arch linux. #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:53 Total Installed Size: 837.78 MB #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:53 I am worried. #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:53 Blazeix: that's almost as large as emacs #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:53 i would be too #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:54 emacs is like 2mb, no comparing emacs to kde #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:54 I thought it was around 30mb #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:54 6.5M/usr/bin/emacs #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:55 1.4M/usr/bin/vim #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:55 the emacs22 package is 1.9mb, emacs22-common is 18mb, so it's around 20 for everything it looks like #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:55 wow, really? well with a 5mb penalty like that, i don't know how i can possibly resist switching any longer #rhlug : 05/07/08 00:55 I must have been counting dependencies. jboticsource : 05/07/08 01:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:05 auchter: for some reason I am having trouble with your mkfile for auchtery #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:06 :\. it works when i build it w/o make #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:06 and i have tweaked with it and still cannot get it to werk #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:06 heh, work* #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:06 octavious: it's not a makefile, are you using make or mk? #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:07 make #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:07 that would be the problem, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_(software) #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:07 hmm. that would be the issue #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:08 there's a port of mk in the plan9 overlay, you should be able to install it with something like 'layman -a plan9 && emerge mk' #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:09 it seems to have nearly identical syntax #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:10 simmilar, but mk is much nicer, for instance, you can use $VAR instead of having to use $(VAR) and shell processes are done with `{} instead of $(shell ) #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:11 auchtery doesn't use it, but the rule are much more powerful as well (you can match against regexs and such) #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:11 right now that mkfile was more for quick testing #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:11 it's braindead, and could be replaced by anything collinjc : 05/07/08 01:20 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:40 Ah, nothing like some Dethklok to go with a comp arch paper. #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:43 you kids and your black magic #rhlug : 05/07/08 01:44 These kids, theys don't has any good metals these days! andy753421 : 05/07/08 01:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/07/08 01:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 01:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:03 Oh that's fun, I'd never noticed what . does in vim before Mishtal : 05/07/08 02:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:24 does it delete huge blocks of text? usually when i hit the wrong button in vim lots of stuff gets deleted #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:25 can I do anything with student number online or do i need a user/pass? (kurbontus) #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:26 Morasique: It redoes the most recent action, so if you recently deleted a lot of stuff, it would delete a lot more stuff. Nothing a quick press of u can't fix. tommost : 05/07/08 02:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 02:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:27 oh, that's neat #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:27 yeah, i mastered u, it's one of the few hotkeys i know in vim :) #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:27 i prefer jow or nano #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:27 *joe #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:29 Morasique: have you mastered 3u U and undo trees? :P #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:29 (i have to say, undo trees are amazing) #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:29 haha I don't remember how to use undo trees because I need them so seldomly #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:29 i prefer money trees #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:30 I dunno, in any other editor I think I'd be pretty lost without the way I do yank/paste and sed in vim #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:31 andy753421: no, when bad stuff happens i just hit u over and over until the badness goes away #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:31 i have no grasp of advanced techniques in either editor, i should really learn one of them #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:32 ah, but what if you undo to many times, and then accidentally make a change and need to go back to the first branch :P #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:33 i feel sad, and retype stuff not_rr : 05/07/08 02:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:47 I don't know if this would appeal to anyone here, but holy crap this must have taken a bunch of effort: http://kotaku.com/387830/this-hands+free-super-mario-world-level-plays-sweet-sweet-music #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:54 the movie or the website, 'cause i think the website took about 45 seconds #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:55 haha the video #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:58 apparently the atm in moench has a blue screen right now #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:58 Like, Windows? #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:58 no, a linux blue screen #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:59 is there a citibank near there? or a 711? #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:59 (free ATMS) #rhlug : 05/07/08 02:59 i haven't seen either, my bank is near here so i just go there #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:00 Being a native, I don't think we have any Citibanks or 711s. #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:00 ugh #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:00 hrm, there is a charge to use other ATMs #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:01 yeah. I usually just suck it up and take the charge. #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:01 just get a bank account from a bank around here, there's a bank fair during orientation #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:01 its only about a flat dollar charge #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:01 it's $1.50. i would suck it up too if i could remember my PIN #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:01 I think you can also cash checks at the book store. #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:01 Morasique~ aw, poor baby. no cash? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:02 ..... jboticsource : 05/07/08 03:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:02 "<@Morasique> i haven't seen either, my bank is near here so i just go there" #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:02 then why suck i tup #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:03 because i'm lazy and don't want to drive off campus not_rr : 05/07/08 03:04 >< QUIT : "l8r" tommost : 05/07/08 03:16 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:20 http://137.112.138.172/atm.jpg #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:20 they just lost the game #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:21 INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE is an interesting error, i wonder what's wrong with it #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:21 It lost its shoes. #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:28 question: i ran into an old system i was considering purchasing (can get it for like.. 20 bucks. would be useful to have as like a harddrive farm or something similar) but the system wont get past counting how much ram it has when the power is kicked in. f-10 (to enter setup) on the keyboard doesnt seem to do much. junker? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:29 if it freezes on the ram check i would think the ram is bad, that's the point #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:29 no, the ram check finishes #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:29 nothing else happens #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:30 oh. did you try it with no devices plugged in? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:30 i may next time #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:30 you mean no keyboard // no mouse? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:30 or no anything? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:30 i'm more worried about stuff like hard drives and cd drives, but those too i guess #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:30 good point #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:31 maybe the harddrive is bad #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:31 i know one of the cd drives is damaged #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:31 ill check next time i get a chance #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:31 good advice, thanks tommost : 05/07/08 03:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 03:32 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:32 good thing it's not the atm in the union, that's the only one that works for me #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:53 Who should I take disco with? Butske or Jajcayov? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:53 i like butske, i had him for lin alg #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:53 i've never even heard of jajcayov #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:53 Nor have I. Maybe a visiting professor? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:53 i'm currently working on a graph theory test from jajcayov.. and i now hate her #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:53 :D #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:54 although, it's funny watching her write minimum on the board #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:55 How is each of them for grading, homework, in-class ability, etc? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:57 I'd say J's about average, she lets us work in groups in class, and we can discuss the homework as long as we actually do our own #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:57 Butske? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:58 i had him for calc, but i don't remember that far back, all i know is that all he wears is black t-shirts #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:58 Morasique: any insight? #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:59 give me a couple minutes, i just remembered i forgot my compilers hw due at midnight #rhlug : 05/07/08 03:59 NP. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:02 god. i just finished cryptonomicon #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:02 mmk. butske was pretty easy grading/homework wise as i recall. i liked him a lot in class, he's funny, the class was easy though so i don't know how good he is at teaching, he seemed good though #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:02 and yes, he does wear a black t-shirt and jeans everyday #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:02 :D Blazeix : 05/07/08 04:02 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:03 now to move on to bigger, better books...Atlas Shrugged is next on the reading list #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:03 octavious: Friends don't let friends read Rand! I forbid it! #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:04 i started atlas shrugged, i found it incredibly boring, but i didn't get very far #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:04 i really need to read cryptonomicon #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:04 Same here. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:04 octavious: finished cryptonomicon? #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:04 00:02 @ octavious >> god. i just finished cryptonomicon #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 :) #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 I should really read that #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 ah, i missed that #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 Or read books at all #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 octavious: ending sucked, didn't it? #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 or maybe i'm particular #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:05 ACTION plugs ears #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:06 you know, some parts of the book were really enjoyable, but overall i am going to give it a preliminary mediocre...could change after i think about it for awhile #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:06 ACTION glares at aucther #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:06 indeed, the ending in particular didn't really seem to tie a lot of things up #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:07 i was hoping for a sequel, but instead we got three pseudo-prequels #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:08 i just finished reading Les Chants de Maldoror the other day, speaking of books #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:08 absolutely excellent, if you like poetry, that is #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:11 wish i had more time to read... #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:11 i guess thats what the summer is for #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:12 Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. kleinjt : 05/07/08 04:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 04:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:17 auchter: ATMEGA168-20PU-ND #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:17 is that a nuclear launch code? #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:18 because cool if it is #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:18 If we don't have a 16MHz crystal, we'll need those too #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:18 ACTION is disappointed #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:21 It has a kilobyte of ram, so plenty of room for as many global variables as I want. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:22 ACTION wishes firefox ran in a KB of ram.. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:23 ACTION wishes magical pixies danced between the plates of glass in his window kleinjt : 05/07/08 04:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:28 Time to play with Xdmx some more... tommost : 05/07/08 04:28 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:28 ACTION thinks that the 1kb of RAM Firefox would be tons more useful than pixies window-pixie : 05/07/08 04:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:33 ACTION taps on the glass and looks cute window-pixie : 05/07/08 04:33 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 so the best way i've found to extract images from pdf's is to convert to postscript using pdf2ps, then convert to pnm using pstopnm, then cut out relevant portions with gimp, and save as eps #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 i use pstopnm with the --dpi=600 flag, pretty good looking results #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 That is about a thousand times harder than it should be. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 This is a potential senior project. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 A PDF dissassembler. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 isnt there something that could just go straight from pdf to pnm? #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:37 you can just use imagemagick's convert #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:38 i don't have imagemagick installe #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:38 d #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:38 well, you should work on that #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:38 "compile from source" or whatever it is you gentoo people do #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:38 convert works okay, but not when you don't want to recompress the images. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:38 auchter: man 1 pdfimages #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 (it's part of poppler, which is gnomey, so you might not have it) #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 andy753421: Where have you been the last several months? #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 andy753421: have you skipped all the other conversations? #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 haha I have it, let me see how it works for what we need it for #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 auchter: apparently not, i gave up last month because too many people were talking to fast #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 i have it as well #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:39 er, apperntly, i have #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:40 So do I. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:40 ACTION should continue doing his graph theory povilusr_desktop : 05/07/08 04:41 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:41 wrong #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:42 hey sweet, I got that labelled image of the Cell chip out of one of those PDFs #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:42 of course it's upside down but that's easily fixable #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:42 oh, upsside down and backwards haha #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:43 oh boy, I haven't emerged the gimp yet apparently #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:43 certainly there's something smaller I can use for flipping #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:43 i should copy paste "imagemagick can do it" and keep pasting it, i think it can do everything #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:44 Of course. It's magic. Like pixies. #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:44 it's the unix way: one tool for every job #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:44 precisely #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:44 bolandmg: you can convert it to a xpm and then edit it in vim #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:45 or write a simple c function to transform it jboticsource : 05/07/08 04:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:54 hooray, convert -flip is my friend #rhlug : 05/07/08 04:58 ACTION claims victory #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:03 I've had runins with imagemagick before but I've never integrated it into my console-fu technique tommost : 05/07/08 05:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 05:10 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : tommost : 05/07/08 05:15 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost_aorist : 05/07/08 05:17 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/07/08 05:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 05:32 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : crr : 05/07/08 05:50 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:55 ok, installing x11 on the plan9 server #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:55 i feel slightly sad.. #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:56 i feel slightly awesome #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:56 you get used to that feeling after awhile #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:56 sure, i hate X, but it is useful to have #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:57 That pesky X #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:57 ~ #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:58 so how many X programs actually compile for it? #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:58 i don't suppose they've ported GTK.. #rhlug : 05/07/08 05:59 all that i've heard so far is twm, dwm, and xmessage #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:00 http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/equis.jpg #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:00 http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/dwm.png jboticsource : 05/07/08 06:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:00 http://www.maht0x0r.net/Xglenda.gif #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:01 I suppose the important thing is that you can tunnel X11 programs to it #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:01 well.. not really tunnel #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:02 especially with linuxemu #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:02 which is what dillo in that screenshot is running under jboticsource : 05/07/08 06:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:05 linuxemu? #rhlug : 05/07/08 06:06 http://netlib.lucent.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu/README Morasique : 05/07/08 06:22 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/07/08 06:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 06:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : andy753421 : 05/07/08 06:51 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/07/08 06:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 06:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : andy753421 : 05/07/08 07:08 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/07/08 07:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 07:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : ferrelaj_work : 05/07/08 12:25 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/07/08 13:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/07/08 13:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 13:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : jboticsource : 05/07/08 13:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/07/08 13:53 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt_ : 05/07/08 14:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/07/08 14:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421 : 05/07/08 14:25 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_desktop : 05/07/08 14:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/07/08 14:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 14:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : andy753421 : 05/07/08 14:52 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Blazeix : 05/07/08 15:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 15:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : jboticsource : 05/07/08 15:31 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Morasique : 05/07/08 15:43 >< PART #rhlug : "diwn Al-Qaeda pipeline cracking Jiang Zemin" kleinjt_ : 05/07/08 15:44 >< NICK : kleinjt kleinjt : 05/07/08 15:44 >< QUIT : "Leaving" kleinjt : 05/07/08 15:45 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 15:45 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Morasique : 05/07/08 16:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 16:02 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : crr : 05/07/08 16:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 16:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : jboticsource : 05/07/08 16:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/07/08 16:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/07/08 16:19 http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/worlds_tallest_1.php #rhlug : 05/07/08 16:20 http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/worlds_tallest_1.php #rhlug : 05/07/08 16:35 cool. emacs can edit files over ssh. somebody should've revealed this to me a long time ago jboticsource : 05/07/08 16:42 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421 : 05/07/08 16:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 16:54 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/07/08 17:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 17:11 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : tommost : 05/07/08 17:14 >< QUIT : Client Quit tommost : 05/07/08 17:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 17:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:18 http://diveintomark.org/archives/2008/05/07/when-the-fall-is-all-thats-left #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:28 i enjoy how the grader for OS seems to... fail... at grading. he sent me an email telling me that my project doesnt work for some stuff, and i can make the stuff work with absolutely no problem. i am so confused by him. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:32 Mishtal: when I took OS we had some odd problems like that too. they ended up being missing dependencies. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:32 We made use of the readline library, in particular. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:33 i have all of the files in the svn #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:33 i can compile on my local machine and addiator #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:33 *shrug* Blazeix : 05/07/08 17:36 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/07/08 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 17:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:37 I have got to stop doing this. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:37 I'm running a VM with kde4, and I keep pressing ctrl-alt-backspace to restart x, thus restarting x on my host computer. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:38 Blazeix: Xdmx captures Ctrl-Alt-Backspace somehow. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:38 I don't understand how it does it. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:39 you can disable that hotkey, it probably just does it automatically #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:40 i've considered doing it, somehow i have a bad habit of hitting it by mistake, which should really be impossible #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:40 Morasique: I do the same thing sometimes. #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:40 i hold down ctrl+alt to switch viewports, and all the sudden i'm hitting backspace unable to stop myself #rhlug : 05/07/08 17:41 Yeah. Blazeix : 05/07/08 17:53 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/07/08 18:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 18:00 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : tommost : 05/07/08 18:04 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." jboticsource : 05/07/08 18:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug crr : 05/07/08 18:06 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:06 :D there's a story on reddit about an air traffic control system that suddenly shut down for about three hours. apparently the shutdown is a feature designed to stop the system from getting too overloaded with data. what programmer wrote the line of code if(too_much_data) {completely_die();} in an air traffic control system and didn't think "wait. this could be bad" #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:07 now that's my kind of "feature" #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:10 http://rafb.net/p/w88NOZ80.html #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:11 speaking of which, should we have the constitution protected so it can't be edited now? #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:12 i think blazeix mentioned that awhile ago #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:12 andy is the only steward on the wiki though, he has to do it #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:12 andy753421: the constituion should probably be protected #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:13 it looks like it was protected at some point #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:14 it's semi-protected right now, i suppose that'll work #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:14 Morasique: probably better to completely shut down than give delayed information that looks correct #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:15 ah, i suppose i didn't see the lack of editability #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:16 is jay doing that motion stuff? #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:16 andy753421: not if it leaves 300 planes in the sky with no information at all, that's crazy. if they can detect that the system is overloaded they can just warn users or something, change that line to if(too_much_data) {blink_warning_light();} #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:16 andy753421: yeah, i'll ask him to #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:18 Morasique: I didn't read the article, but maybe it was 'if (to_much_data) {if (blink_warning_light()==FAIL) {completely_die();}}' #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:19 i'd say it's better to have a completely_die() /somewhere/ than delve off into undefined operation #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:20 i suppose that would work. the end of the article said they're switching the system to give some sort of warning when they're getting near the too much data limit, so i guess air traffic controllers are going to have to tell planes "uh....yeah, i might lose you in a second, but you can see the airport, right? just kinda land anywhere. got to go!" #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:23 i always enjoy reading though source code and finding comments that say /* This should never happen */ #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:31 i've written code like that before. then when i run the program and hit that block of code i'm not sure if i should be happy i had the supposedly unnecessary check in there or annoyed my program is obviously doing the impossible #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:32 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/organizations/info/linuxusersclub.htm #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:42 someone should tell them that we have a webpage #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:43 i think baty's the one who originally sent that stuff to them #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:45 somebody should just e-mail them and have it redirect to lug.phire.org #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:45 baty sounds like a winner #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:46 I just misread the "Table Tennis Club" links.. I think we should start a competitive Tetris club #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:46 heck yes we should #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqKOlcaZuI jboticsource : 05/07/08 18:50 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:50 double awesome, emacs has a function to take a buffer and convert it to html that's syntax highlighted #rhlug : 05/07/08 18:59 oh, i just saw the carey huber e-mail, i assume that's how the website thing came up. somebody should reply to that e-mail jboticsource : 05/07/08 19:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:06 jboticsource: http://rafb.net/p/w88NOZ80.html #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:07 jboticsource: you'll make the motion to approve, correct? #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:07 yes i will #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:07 i will bring u up as new buissness #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:08 i will check to see the exact proper way to bring u up #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:08 i don't think you need to #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:08 but one way or another u will get to speak #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:08 the way he worded it, it seems like they'll bring us up #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:08 noted #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:08 we just need a senator to make sure the motion is made #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:09 i recieve the ageda #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:09 so i can see what we r doing that day #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:09 i will motion for you #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:09 i sent her our site and a description, i have no idea why she failed #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:14 btw at the next thursday's lug meeting can someone repartition my ntfs volume of my lappy so i can have room for hardy herron please? #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:14 i tried to repartition this comp and i fuxored winfail #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:14 which i need for some software #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:15 i would like to do on 80 20 #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:15 or 70 30 split #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:15 jboticsource: if you bring all the required materials (something with GParted, maybe your windows CD) people might be willing to help you with it. #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:15 in favor of winfail #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:15 kool #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:16 ty povilusr_desktop : 05/07/08 19:17 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:18 http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/worlds_tallest_1.php #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:19 jboticsource: thanks, i didn't see that the previous two times you sent us #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:19 your welcome #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:25 auchter: i don't think you understand the gravity of that story. that lego tower is _100 feet tall_. the old record was 96.1 feet. which is less #rhlug : 05/07/08 19:30 jboticsource: it takes a while to repartition, you probably want to do it overnight. we can show you how at the meeting though jboticsourc1 : 05/07/08 19:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/07/08 19:41 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/07/08 19:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/07/08 20:06 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj : 05/07/08 20:10 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/07/08 20:11 the ubuntu repositories continue to suck. it just took 2 or 3 minutes to connect to the repo, and then 5 minutes to download the 1.2mb of files i needed kleinjt : 05/07/08 20:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 20:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/07/08 20:18 my boss just asked me if he could install something on one of our development servers. that's odd #rhlug : 05/07/08 20:26 it's probably a trap #rhlug : 05/07/08 20:27 i considered pointing out that the server is more his than mine, but decided i rather like it this way Morasique : 05/07/08 20:30 >< PART #rhlug : crr : 05/07/08 20:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 20:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : Morasique : 05/07/08 20:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 20:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : collinjc : 05/07/08 20:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj : 05/07/08 21:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/07/08 21:15 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/07/08 21:37 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost : 05/07/08 22:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 22:03 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : collinjc : 05/07/08 22:30 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt : 05/07/08 22:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/07/08 22:32 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : jboticsourc1 : 05/07/08 22:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/07/08 22:53 >< QUIT : Client Quit jboticsource : 05/07/08 23:08 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/07/08 23:11 andy753421: We need some new copy for the robotics team's entry. ferrelaj : 05/07/08 23:11 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj : 05/07/08 23:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 23:30 Is there a way that I can tell xmaple to use a less crappy widget set than the Swing default? shadghost : 05/07/08 23:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/07/08 23:32 ACTION gives a cookie to all shadghos1 : 05/07/08 23:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug shadghost : 05/07/08 23:34 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. shadghos1 : 05/07/08 23:34 >< NICK : shadghost #rhlug : 05/07/08 23:42 tommost: xmaple -cw tommos1 : 05/08/08 00:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/08/08 00:03 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/08/08 00:04 So... important information for anyone interested in Xdmx: #rhlug : 05/08/08 00:04 Don't try to play a video using VLC's OpenGL output module. #rhlug : 05/08/08 00:04 It will crash Xdmx and the X servers on both machines involved. #rhlug : 05/08/08 00:05 (This may have something to do with the fact that one computer has ATI and the other Intel graphics.) kleinjt : 05/08/08 00:28 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/08/08 00:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 00:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : shadghost : 05/08/08 00:50 >< QUIT : "Lost terminal" tommos1 : 05/08/08 00:50 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421 : 05/08/08 01:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/08/08 01:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 01:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/08/08 01:38 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/08/08 01:41 Why would firefox randomly lose the ability to make noise? All my other applications work fine, but firefox seems to think it's muted... any ideas? collinjc : 05/08/08 01:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 01:43 >< QUIT : Nick collision from services. ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 01:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj : 05/08/08 01:46 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj : 05/08/08 01:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/08/08 01:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 01:49 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : jboticsource : 05/08/08 02:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/08/08 02:31 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc : 05/08/08 02:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/08/08 02:48 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc : 05/08/08 02:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/08/08 02:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 02:51 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : andy753421 : 05/08/08 03:07 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/08/08 03:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 03:15 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/08/08 03:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 03:18 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/08/08 03:43 auchter: That doesn't work for me. #rhlug : 05/08/08 03:47 that's rather sad ferrelaj_wor1 : 05/08/08 04:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/08/08 04:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 04:23 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 04:25 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/08/08 04:31 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" jboticsource : 05/08/08 04:35 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_wor1 : 05/08/08 04:42 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/08/08 04:57 auchter: Are there any interestig XFS features that I should know about? #rhlug : 05/08/08 04:59 tommost: i've never used XFS #rhlug : 05/08/08 04:59 well, except on my octane #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:00 but i don't really know of any awesome features or anything #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:00 Oh, I thought that you'd commented on its awesomeness at some point. #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:01 no, that'd be ZFS #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:01 Well, I don't have anything formatted with ZFS, but what's great about it? #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:01 simplicity, ease of use, excellent management tools #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:02 How can filesystems compete on ease-of-use? #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:02 What can be made easier? #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:03 creating the volume initially, though i suppose that can all be rolled into excellent management tools #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:03 What's there to manage? #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:04 storage pools, compression options, snapshots, etc. #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:07 additionally, the cell processor (in particular the SPEs) is awesome #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:07 What does that have to do with ZFS? #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:08 absolutely nothing. the "additionally" was intentionally added solely to confuse people #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:14 but the fact that that c code would compile down to the code at the bottom is purely awesome, http://rafb.net/p/kke47E79.html #rhlug : 05/08/08 05:37 auchter: I agree that cell processors are awesome Mishtal : 05/08/08 05:58 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Mishtal : 05/08/08 06:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/08/08 06:29 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Mishtal : 05/08/08 06:34 >< PART #rhlug : collinjc : 05/08/08 11:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/08/08 11:38 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/08/08 12:06 >< PART #rhlug : "fundamentalist counter intelligence Ft. Meade cryptanalysis IDEA" Morasique : 05/08/08 12:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 12:17 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : crr : 05/08/08 13:42 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/08/08 14:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/08/08 14:25 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Blazeix : 05/08/08 14:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource : 05/08/08 14:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 14:52 i hate labs especially physics 3 labs #rhlug : 05/08/08 15:01 in memory management, is there a reason why a frame is the same size as a page, according to defoe? #rhlug : 05/08/08 15:04 so that there's a one-to-one mapping of pages to frames? kleinjt : 05/08/08 15:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 15:09 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/08/08 15:10 is it just me, or should we, as computer people just pick a name, and stick with it, if they are the same size? #rhlug : 05/08/08 15:11 no, they refer to different things #rhlug : 05/08/08 15:22 Photographs fit inside picture frames. Should cameras take picture frames? Mishta1 : 05/08/08 15:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishta1 : 05/08/08 15:47 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/08/08 15:59 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/08/08 16:05 >< QUIT : "Leaving" Mishta1 : 05/08/08 16:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishta1 : 05/08/08 16:29 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/08/08 16:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 16:30 question: in C, what function would you recommend to change environment variables? google has failed me for once Morasique : 05/08/08 16:33 >< PART #rhlug : "ANC IMF Peking HAMASMOIS infowar" jboticsource : 05/08/08 16:35 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/08/08 16:35 Mishtal: man 3 setenv #rhlug : 05/08/08 16:39 octavious: thank you. thats what i need Morasique : 05/08/08 16:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 16:47 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : jboticsource : 05/08/08 16:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/08/08 17:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/08/08 17:13 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/08/08 17:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 17:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Mishtal : 05/08/08 17:30 >< PART #rhlug : jboticsource : 05/08/08 17:41 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Mishtal : 05/08/08 17:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/08/08 17:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 17:56 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : andy753421 : 05/08/08 18:16 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/08/08 18:21 >< PART #rhlug : "Cohiba import Firefly Islam Abduganievich Karimov bootleg" Mishtal : 05/08/08 18:24 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Mishtal : 05/08/08 18:25 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/08/08 18:26 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/08/08 18:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 18:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : kleinjt : 05/08/08 18:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 18:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:33 merkle walks into the lab: "Has anybody seen Chase? If you do, please tell him that we're taking an exam." andy753421 : 05/08/08 18:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 18:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:35 auchter: merkle was searching for a student? #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:35 yeah crr : 05/08/08 18:35 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 18:35 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:36 more disturbingly, tom's in the lab using the mac. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:36 what's that computer's name? #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:37 somebody needs to ssh in and have it start talking, i think it's the say command #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:37 i'll nmap 137.112.104.* #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:38 there used to be a page on the cs site that listed the public machines, but i can't find it anymore #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:38 he was trying to get xforwarding from his laptop to the mac working, so there's a chance he ran xhost + like i told him to #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:38 they have *mac* in the hostname #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:39 MAC-0[12].cs.rose-hulman.edu #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:39 aww he logged off. jboticsource : 05/08/08 18:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:39 andy753421: are you sure? #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:40 there aren't any on the zone transfer list with mac in the name, and i can't resolve it #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:40 search for uppercase #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:40 oh, i was searching the old list #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:40 back in the day before the macs. sigh #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:40 Morasique: I can ping the name andy753421 supplied. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:41 Blazeix: yeah, it works now, no ssh though :'( tommost : 05/08/08 18:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 18:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:44 the guy in front of me in class has been dragging the compiz desktop cube around the entire period, i think i'm starting to grasp why auchter is annoyed by compiz #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:44 Morasique: backspace #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:44 also, the macs seem to have ssh enabled, but my password and public key aren't working #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:45 VNC is also open... #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:45 very tempting. and yeah, that's what i meant, i can get the ssh prompt but it's not set up for kerberos, i figured it would be since the local login is, but i guess they're separate #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:45 I was just trying to do X11 forwarding from my laptop on the macs and it didn't work for either of them. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:45 tommost: sure you were #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:45 I wanted to use them as demo machines for Xdmx. collinjc : 05/08/08 18:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:46 Instead I think that I'll get you all to SSH into my laptop. Mishtal : 05/08/08 18:47 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:47 The weird thing is that forwarding works from them to Addiator. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:47 (Though bouncing through Addiator doesn't.) #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:48 tommost: you should just bring your many, many sun-rays into the lab #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:48 They're kind of heavy. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:48 Plus I haven't gotten them set up yet. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:48 you should work on that #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:48 I should. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:48 But I do have all summer to do it. #rhlug : 05/08/08 18:50 Plus I should work on my paper and tests tomorrow more. #rhlug : 05/08/08 19:05 i'm not sure if the guy in front of me is in this class, i'm pretty sure he's ignored the daily quiz and the exercise completely in favor of playing with the compiz configuration. which i approve of, but curt probably doesn't tommos1 : 05/08/08 19:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/08/08 19:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/08/08 19:20 >< QUIT : "leaving" Morasique : 05/08/08 19:21 >< PART #rhlug : "ARPA fundamentalist fraud Reno CESID" andy753421 : 05/08/08 19:21 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt : 05/08/08 19:22 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/08/08 19:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 19:24 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : tommost : 05/08/08 19:25 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/08/08 19:33 somebody just described singletons as "there can only be one", i don't know if they were going for a highlander reference or not, but i was pretty entertained ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 19:35 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource : 05/08/08 19:38 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 20:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_work : 05/08/08 20:03 >< QUIT : Client Quit tommos1 : 05/08/08 20:04 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Morasique : 05/08/08 20:13 >< PART #rhlug : "FIPS140 NATO NSA fissionable smuggle" tommost : 05/08/08 20:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 20:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Morasique : 05/08/08 20:21 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 20:21 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : tommost : 05/08/08 20:22 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Blazeix : 05/08/08 20:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 20:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : tommost : 05/08/08 20:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 20:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Mishtal : 05/08/08 20:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/08/08 21:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 21:06 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : povilusr_desktop : 05/08/08 21:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/08/08 21:17 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/08/08 21:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 21:19 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:22 everyone not here fails at being here #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:22 yea, im skipping. have other crap to do jboticsource : 05/08/08 21:25 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/08/08 21:28 >< PART #rhlug : Zeta_RHIT : 05/08/08 21:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:29 whenever sam gets there, call him a douchebag for me jboticsource : 05/08/08 21:31 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:32 he's here, he said "ok" povilusr : 05/08/08 21:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:32 apparently im a douchebag? why? #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:33 Because you didn't bring Ethernet cables. #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:33 crap, whoops #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:33 See? You missed out on money. #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:33 heh, i forgot baty's hard drive too... good thing he's not here #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:33 povilusr: because you left me #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:34 I reminded you and got left for my trouble #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:34 thanks #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:34 gee zeta maby you should have said, "hey, id like to come" not said "oh" and stayed on eve #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:34 ... I had closed my laptop #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:34 and was putting it away #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:34 you said NOTHIN #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:35 and i heard you on ts #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:35 so i ssumed you wer b eing lazy and staying #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:35 nope, I wasn't #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:36 you can actually drive yourself #rhlug : 05/08/08 21:37 I can indeed, but am going to sleep a bit instead now instead of wasting additional gas Zeta_RHIT : 05/08/08 21:38 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/08/08 21:40 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/08/08 21:40 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 21:40 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : kleinjt : 05/08/08 21:41 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr : 05/08/08 22:25 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Morasiqu2 : 05/08/08 22:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/08/08 22:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 22:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : collinjc : 05/08/08 22:34 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/08/08 22:38 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Morasique : 05/08/08 22:42 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc : 05/08/08 22:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/08/08 22:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 22:56 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:02 If I want to install Rose-Hulman's certificate do I put it in /etc/ssl/certs? #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:05 tommost: i don't know, i've never been able to figure that out #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:05 if you do, let me know #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:05 I will. #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:08 Any pointers on configuring fetchmail to talk with Rose's servers? #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:09 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Local_mail#Fetchmail #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:09 :D #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:09 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/User:Andy753421/.fetchmailrc Morasiqu2 : 05/08/08 23:09 >< NICK : Morasique #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:09 Morasiqu2: I'm already on that page. ChanServ : 05/08/08 23:09 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:09 andy753421: Thanks. jboticsource : 05/08/08 23:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:22 auchter: i forgot about my hard drive. i don #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:22 er #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:22 fail #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:22 i dont care that much, just bring it by sometime before the end of the year #rhlug : 05/08/08 23:24 yeah, i will andy753421 : 05/08/08 23:32 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc : 05/08/08 23:37 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/08/08 23:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/08/08 23:44 >< QUIT : "Leaving" jboticsourc1 : 05/08/08 23:45 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/08/08 23:45 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/08/08 23:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/08/08 23:50 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/09/08 00:32 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Blazeix : 05/09/08 00:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 00:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Morasique : 05/09/08 01:08 >< PART #rhlug : "Compsec dictionary SHA Yukon offensive information warfare" #rhlug : 05/09/08 01:10 what possible reason did eric smith have for sending the same email to the entire campus two times tommost : 05/09/08 01:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 01:11 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/09/08 01:13 http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Rose_SSL_certificates kleinjt : 05/09/08 01:13 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 01:13 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Morasique : 05/09/08 01:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 01:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : jboticsourc1 : 05/09/08 02:00 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:15 hey anyone around #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:15 have a question #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:15 just go ahead and ask #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 you know your movies? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 I have google #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 NEED to know this movie that is in my head #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 uhm #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 yeah won't help me much #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 google kicks ass at movies #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 Just spit out the question. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 ok, let's pretend i know movies really well then #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 ACTION winks at google #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 I'm dying of suspense. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:16 ok #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:17 what is this movie? has this guy that finds aliens and then goes to mexico and there is this girl too and she is in a hotel and there are scopriens in her room #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:17 i am willing to wager that movie has never and will never be made #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 then in his shed out back, back at his house, there is this ball thing that the aliens, dressed up as lawn service, put there basicly sucks in his shed #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 rr72: The arrival? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 THANK YOU!! #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 rr72: ET? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 omg #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 Google revealed that to me too. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 Blazeix~ then the kid at the end runs off? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 rr72: You lack faith. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:18 tommost~ what could you google? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 i couldnt think of anything to start #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 I googled "movie aliens mexico scorpion hotel" #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 aliens mexico hotel scorpions movie #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 5th link #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 1st link. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 I win. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 i did movie aliens mexico scorpion. suck on that #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 wow #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 my query was shorter, i win #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 :) #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 i didnt know what to search under #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:19 ty #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:20 google needs to make a search unction for "that one movie that has..." #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:20 and it will instantly tell you the correct show #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:20 no shit #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:20 ironically "has this guy that finds aliens and then goes to mexico" also finds it, so one could argue that deep down rr72 knew what to search for all along #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:21 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:21 knew it was mid 90s though #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:21 that was a seriously messed up movie though #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:21 A boy and his dog is a messed up movie #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:21 havent seen it in YEARS and those parts are the only ones i remember #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 when you were just now talking about it i got all disturbed from it all over again #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 thanks, i appreciate it #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 and when they get frozen and cracked by the nitrogen in the satalite when the van crashes the doors down #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 im going to make your freshman year here a lving hell in retaliation #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 so are we just posting movie spoiler's in here now? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 (not that i have any intention at all of seeing that movie) #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:22 They eat the girl in the end? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 no the kid runs away cause he was an alien all along #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 No, I'm pretty sure they ate the girl. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 well now it's ruined for me. :'( #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 yea but the kid was a guy not a girl #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 no, it was his sled #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 he dislocates his legs and runs really really fast #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 No, that is forest gump. You are confused. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 after the dude tells him to go tell your kind BLAH BLAH BLAH #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:23 it turned out the guy used plan 9, so they killed him #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 actually, the real plot spoiler is that the main character was the alien the entire time #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 But it was all in the matrix #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 and even HE didnt know #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 Mishtal: no the kid runs away cause he was an alien all along #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 Morasique #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 i remember, im just being an ass #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:24 didnt recognize sheen in my memory cause he had a gotee #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:25 :-D #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:25 ah. good, we encourage that #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:25 Now that Zaszamonde has left us we need someone to fill in that role. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:25 i am acutely aware of the encouragement. it makes living another day so much more bearable #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:25 i thought i was the ass :( #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:25 i thought i was... #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:26 kiki is the kid right? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:26 no, that was bob. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:26 This damn heart rate monitor needs to go away. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:26 Blazeix: No, it was "bob" #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 It was Karl, WTF are you talking about? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 tommost: heart rate monitor? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 you're lacking slack #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 wootoff #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 ahh #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 excellent. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 i stopped checking woot, which i'm sad about #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:27 what would be the point of a heart rate monitor that would wirelessly send it to your computer? unless you excersid near your computer #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:28 I imagine it would buffer data, and then send it when you got close enough #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:29 rr72: Agreed. Damn useless. Next! #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:29 What is the point of cars if you have to drive them near gas stations? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:29 Indeed. I want an electric car. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:30 why do you hate blind people? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:30 because they can't see #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:31 Okay, I'll take an electric car with a good sound system. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:31 It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:31 no such thing, there is no good sound in a car #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:31 s/good/damn freaking loud/ #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:31 ah, the two are usually mutually exclusive; you can see why i was confused #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:32 we ought to plant ultrasonic transmitters on electric cars, and give blind people cyboric healing implants that allows them to hear that frequency #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:32 auchter: I'll agree with you on their mutual exclusivity. I usually prefer nice sound, myself. kleinjt : 05/09/08 02:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:33 we need to not talk about sound anymore... #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:33 or blind people #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:35 Morasique: I just came to the realization that after working in the same office with you for > 6 months, I've said more to you hear then at work #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:35 i've said more to most people on here than i have in person #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:35 **here #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:35 Morasique: speaking of which, are you working at Ventures this summer? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:35 on the internet no one can here you be stupid. only read it #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:35 no #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:37 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:38 Finally! #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:38 tommost: finally? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:38 yes. finally #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:38 and im deffinately holding you to your promise ferrelaj, i am expecting delicious peons, lots and lots of them. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:38 Mishtal: never, EVER say that to me again #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:39 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:39 ok #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:39 Laaaaaame. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:42 what just happened? #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:43 And more laaaaame. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:43 Stupid iPod accessories. #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:43 any online multi player games? like two computer? the flash games not mmorpgs Mishtal : 05/09/08 02:44 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Mishtal : 05/09/08 02:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 02:55 no. flash is dumb. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:09 wow, what a lame woot. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:09 its been on this power inverter forever. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:09 Indeed. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:10 Hey CPEs, you're all into that kind of stuff, right? You should buy all the remaining inverters in stock. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:12 Hey, robotics team. Don't we want to power our computer with an inverter or three? #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:12 no #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:13 That sounds like a yes. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:15 if that sounded like a yes, you've got some pretty serious synaesthesia going on #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:19 i don't know, i heard it too. you should buy three #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:20 ferrelaj: so, how's the presentation coming along? #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:21 omg... I hate it #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:21 i'm looking forward to it tomorrow #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:22 robotics team: What's the exact plan for attending the competition? In particular, what day do we get back? #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:24 When you attend the competition, everyone is required to bring a power inverter. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:24 luckily, I know where you can get them for cheap! #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:40 Holy shit! Our paper is due May 12! #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:41 ROBOTICS TEAM!!! #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:41 tommost: probably a good thing you looked that up, i'll send out an e-mail #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:42 I vote that someone reads the entire set of rules right now. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:42 But not me; I have two math tests to study for. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:42 Morasique: Would you read the IGVC rules for us? http://www.igvc.org/rules.html #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:42 yea, i have a graph theory homework to do, we'll have to work on it a lot this weekend #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:42 tommost: i have no idea what you're talking about, but i refuse to click that link #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:43 Morasique: Yeah, I admit it. It's a rickroll. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:43 even if it's not, best case is it's a lengthy list of robot rules #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:43 at least rickrolls are entertaining #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:43 when you said "rickroll", i pictured a piece of sushi with rick astley's head sticking out of the center #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:44 thanks. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:44 .....i apologize #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:51 auchter: I was very tempted to Gimp that up. Zeta_RHIT : 05/09/08 03:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:52 unlike photoshop, using "gimp" as a verb sounds wrong. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:53 I know. That's why I did it. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:53 It seemed to fit the image you envisioned very well. #rhlug : 05/09/08 03:56 andy753421: You should include a link to a LaTeX primer in your e-mail. Along with a link to the rules. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:02 AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:02 Payroll is spamming me! #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:02 In real time! #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:15 So who fucked up? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:15 what's going on? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:15 The 380 payroll messages in my inbox say someone did. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:15 also, it was rr72 #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:15 i got nothing #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:16 I and everyone around me with work study got royally spammed by payroll. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:16 i have work study, apparently they don't like me #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:16 I didn't just get my own payroll notification; I got everyone else's too. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:18 that seems like it would be an issue #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:18 How the heck do you manage to have negative work study money? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:18 One guy has $-23. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:18 auchter: it was an issue when they were just sending the one #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:18 i don't know, but i want that too #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:20 FYI, roleplaying club t-shirts $10 @ 6:00 in the commons. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:21 They are amusing. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:26 zune travel pack!!! #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:27 OMG! Even the coffee maker was more useful. And I don't drink coffee. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:32 heretic #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:33 Sludge-drinker. #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:33 i used to drink coffee, now when i try my bones hurt, it's a bit odd #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:33 you get negative work study money if you work more than your award will pay for #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:33 meaning he has to give 23 $ back now #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:33 Mishtal: they don't let you though, they're nazis about that. they cut me off as soon as i was close to going over, before i'd even used it all #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 lmao #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 dude, i worked for the boyscouts last year #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 was making 8 dollars an hour (Not even worth it) #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 nice #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 deff asked them for a raise for making me mow their lawn every damn day #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 didnt have time to work #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 ended up earning like 1/4th of my award #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 it was bullsh*t #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:34 i think i was supposed to work for the boy scouts originally, i don't remember. something got messed up and i ended up assigned to some church, so i ditched my original job and started working for the department #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:35 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:35 it was so sad #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:35 the gas to get there sometimes cost more than half of what i made in a day #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:35 that's depressing #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:36 if geiger counter does not click, the coffee, she is just not thick #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:37 LMAO #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:37 radioactive coffee #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:37 scart #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:37 scary* #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:37 i only make my coffee with heavy water, actually #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:37 it's really the only way to go #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:39 you know that thing where they get people to sign a pledge saying dihydrogen monoxide should be banned just to show people will sign anything? i bet we could convince people that drinking heavy water is better for them #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:39 heh #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:39 i can see somebody nodding as auchter says "it's the hydrogen, it gives you that extra kick in the morning" #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:39 ... #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:39 why even tell them the composition #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 just say that it has extra good stuff in it #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 and they will sign it anyway #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 Because that tagline is amusing #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 yea it is #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 plus, it will probably make them sterile #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 which is a good thing if they buy into it #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:40 god, that'd be a plus #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:41 well, it amuses me more when you give them details and they still buy it, that's what they do with the H2O thing, they give real facts about water that sound bad. http://www.dhmo.org/ #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:41 yeah, i'm familiar with it #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:41 i was talking more to Mishtal #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:41 oh, i remember the story #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:41 its years old #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:42 my bio teacher in HS asked us our opinion on it #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:42 no one had a clue why people were afraid of water #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:43 well, it's the main component of acid rain #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:44 i'm told it contributed to the flooding in katrina. and yet we do nothing to stop it #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:45 im told that it contaminates 95% of the worlds water supply, and no one lifts a finger #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:45 i bet we could get funding to stop this. who's going to SGA tuesday? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:45 heroin users use it to get high #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:46 you can count on my vote #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:46 (not that i have one) #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:46 also, 95%? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:47 What's the other 5% of the world's water supply? O.o #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:47 salt? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:48 ACTION kinda hopes that the water supply, is, ya know, water #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:48 When they talk about water supplies they usually don't include solutes, I think #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:48 not sure #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:49 i meant that (a very badly estimated) portion of the worlds water supply is dihydrogen monoxyde. the rest is solutes #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:50 i'd like to congratulate you guys on killing any possible humor this discussion might've had #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:51 sorry, engineer mode took over :/ #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:51 we do our best #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:51 you may kick me tomorrow in retaliation, if you must #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:52 http://www.photobasement.com/virginia-puts-kids-first/ #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:52 i'll be ok. tempting though #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:53 octavious: reminds me of that "We don't serve teens" sign on Poplar #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:53 of course they don't, cannabalism is frowned upon povilusr_kaaba : 05/09/08 04:53 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:53 ha, i dont think i have seen that one #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:53 wait.. you mean that ground teen i bought from the nice crazy asian lady wasnt REAL teen? #rhlug : 05/09/08 04:53 i want my money back! tommost : 05/09/08 05:02 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:07 ah, andy753421: for xssh, what is the behavior of: set bob (with set being one command, and grep being on a different line) #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:13 Mishtal: does the file 'input' exist? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:14 no, i mean if the file that i would use as input existed #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:14 an example, xssh.c #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:14 set bob grep e $bob #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:15 is that supposed to be valid? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:15 and xssh.c exists, right? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:15 yes #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:15 then the behavior is undefined :P #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:15 wait, no it's not #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:16 so, im kind of getting to "does variable substitution work with redirection?" #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:16 e gets set to the empty string (as in 'set e') and then the next command calls 'grep e ""' #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:16 i have no idea what your saying #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:16 when did i set e to the empty string? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:17 er, bob gets set to the empty string #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:17 it does? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:17 ...oh.. #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:17 the redirection happens during the set command, however, stdin is ignored #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:18 because ok #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:18 so, if redirection occurs during a set, assume that the redirect == "" instead? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:19 um, sure #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:19 it's probably easiest to just do the redirect like normal, and then just ignore stdin #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:20 well, i dont expect you to know how my project is implemented. so i guess that both redirection and variables should be evaluated mutually separately of each other? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:21 or will "set bob xssh.c" "grep e <&xssh.c" work? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:21 that will work, it'll just take input form '&xssh.c' #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:22 errr #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:22 sorry #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:22 $xssh.c #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:22 same thing #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:22 wait wait #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:23 i am really typoing here sorry, #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:23 "grep e <$bob" #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:23 will that take input from $bob? or from xssh.c? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:23 it will take input form '$bob' #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:24 not that you mention that, it probably would have been cooler to do input from 'xssh.c' but that's more difficult #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:25 mmm #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:25 actually, not all that much more #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:25 just a second piece of evaluation #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:25 so, you find that the first character is < or > #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:25 in that case #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 you ask if the second character is another special char #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 i guess it depends on your implementation, but i think mine was about as simple as you can get #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 potentially it would be much easier to do something like that with a case switch #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 potentially. #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 i dont feel like trying right now #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 maybe tomorrow #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 thanks for the help though, i appreciate it #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:26 yea, that's what i did, i just did case on the first character of each token #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:27 currently we have it in an else-if #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:27 because we are lazy #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:27 *shrug* #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:27 (yes, i know case is easier, but we were too lazy to look up the syntax. lol) #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:27 ok, since that can be used to distinguish between (&, <, >, $, and [a-z]) that's all you have to do #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:28 it's also the reason we specified it as ' i greatly appreciate that #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:29 while it would have been decently easy enough, i really wouldnt have wanted to bother coding it #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:35 if anyone wants to see something funny, run ping on plc.cs.rose-hulman.edu for about a minute or two #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:36 it stopped responding :) #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:36 for me as well... #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:36 oh, just wait :P #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:37 wow. #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:37 wow. that's impressive #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:37 what is wrong with that server? #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:37 I really wish I knew... it's on a VM, but still #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:37 Morasique: vmware's hardware is a bit flaky #rhlug : 05/09/08 05:41 apparently, it cant copy files and respond to ping at the same time Mishtal : 05/09/08 05:42 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/09/08 05:49 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/09/08 06:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 06:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/09/08 06:17 wow. the javascript errors on woot.com really add up in firebug when i have it refreshing every 15 seconds. it's up to 1476 errors kleinjt : 05/09/08 06:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 06:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Mishtal : 05/09/08 06:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/09/08 06:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving" Mishtal : 05/09/08 06:49 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/09/08 08:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:02 andy753421: is the plc server down? it seem to spit an error at me when i submit something #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:02 Mishtal: somewhat, mabye, hold on #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:03 andy753421: id like to mention that im surprised your still awake #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:03 i've spent the last hour or so trying to figure why mysql randomly crashes #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:03 i don't know whether to blame the crappy server, or Rails #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:03 the plc server uses mysql? #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:03 yea #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:03 im not all that familiar with mysql, otherwise id offer to help, sorry #rhlug : 05/09/08 09:58 andy any luck? #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:11 Mishtal: no :( #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:13 it seems like it's timing out or dropping the connecting or something, but with no useful error messages #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:25 does that mean that the homework that i had finished at like... 4 am gets a zero? or what..? #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:25 :( #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:25 um, hold on #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:25 np #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:29 Mishtal: i'll see if I can get the old version back up #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:29 I didn't realize there was an assignment due tonight when I switched it, #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:29 you can also submit it here: http://andy753421.ath.cx:3000 #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:29 mmm #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:29 i still havnt tested the assignment, but: roger, iwll do #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:30 an another note, the andy753421 is about ~10 times faster.. #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:31 heh, i will keep that in mind (due to lack of VM?) #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:31 and im so glad i get 0 / 60 #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:31 Mishtal: yea, pretty much #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:31 lol kleinjt : 05/09/08 10:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 10:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:32 Mishtal: take a look at line 15, sounds like you have a bracket instead of a parenthesis #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:32 already a step ahead of you #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:33 i switched to os while the plc server was down #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:33 thanks for the effort though, means a lot #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:33 alright, i'm actually really angry that this isn't working.. especially since I was supposed to be doing graph theory all night #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:34 oh boy #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:34 ACTION blames RoR and stupid VM's #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:34 your getting financially reimbursed for sacrificing your grades inorder to defeat the gheyness of VM, right? #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:35 maybe, depends on whether i remember to submit hours on banner #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:35 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:35 i always disliked that process #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:39 what the hell, IT Consulting companies from india are sending me messages on facebook trying to hire me to work on Java stuff.. #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:40 lol #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:46 take the jobs! take the jobs! #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:46 andy, could you give me an example of what is breaking intersection-cps? #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:46 actually, set?-cps would be better #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:49 try it with (quote (a b c)) #rhlug : 05/09/08 10:57 and passing to a lambda that returns a list #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:11 i saw that problem #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:12 im not sure what kind of behavior im supposed to have when i have the member?-cps function returning a list (as in, the continuation) #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:17 you mean like (member?-cps 'a '(a b c) list)? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:18 yes #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:19 the way that set?-cps is calling member?-cps, it expects member?-cps to return a boolean #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:19 should i just give member?-cps (lambda (x) x) #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:20 instead of the continuation passed to set?-cps? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:20 ah #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:20 looks like it #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:21 mm #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:21 if you get a chance, could you tell me whats breaking #2 and #6? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:22 Mishtal: #2 and #6? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:22 yes #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:23 also, i seem to have gotten an error page. should i just reload? or would you like to see the dump for it? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 sure, what's the dump? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 can you pastie it? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 Errno::EAGAIN in StudentController#assignment_submit #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 thats the title #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 hmm, ok #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 Resource temporarily unavailable - fork(2) #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 other stuff as well #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:24 theres a lot of information here #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:25 alright, i'm not overly concerned with that #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:25 maybe fork just failed, like it said #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:25 ok #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:27 oh #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:27 uhh #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:27 i found out why 2 was broken #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:27 never mind that one collinjc : 05/09/08 11:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:29 so, not that theres really enough time to ask, but 3 and 6? #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:29 (is the time stamp for the plc.cs.rose-hulman.edu server supposed to be an hour and 20 minutes off?) #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:29 probably not #rhlug : 05/09/08 11:29 heh collinjc : 05/09/08 11:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving." kleinjt : 05/09/08 11:52 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/09/08 11:53 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/09/08 12:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/09/08 12:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/09/08 12:25 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 12:25 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Mishtal : 05/09/08 12:54 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/09/08 12:54 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" andy753421 : 05/09/08 13:14 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/09/08 13:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 13:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : crr : 05/09/08 13:44 >< PART #rhlug : kleinjt : 05/09/08 13:48 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/09/08 14:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 14:10 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/09/08 14:40 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/09/08 14:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/09/08 15:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 15:18 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/09/08 15:29 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/09/08 15:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 15:39 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/09/08 16:11 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/09/08 16:36 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection crr : 05/09/08 16:48 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 16:48 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : crr : 05/09/08 16:48 >< PART #rhlug : andy753421 : 05/09/08 17:07 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/09/08 17:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 17:24 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/09/08 17:30 hardy uses a different broadcom driver than gutsy did, and for some reason my wireless light is on all the time now, but i can still use fn+f2 to actually turn the card on and off, it's like somehow the light is stuck on and no longer represents the card's actual state povilusr_ : 05/09/08 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 17:59 http://pastebin.com/m22e09757 #rhlug : 05/09/08 17:59 everyone should e-mail asking for help clearing out our inboxes. as if everyone at this school didn't have ample experience deleting hundreds of e-mails at a time #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:08 classy #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:08 im gunna be in that group soon :( #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:09 shy are there still ~ files in the log dir? rr72 : 05/09/08 18:14 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421 : 05/09/08 18:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 18:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Mishtal : 05/09/08 18:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/09/08 18:31 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:32 143kb e-mails with giant pictures of pirate elephants make me sad #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:32 there's all of maybe 20 words in this e-mail, they could've just sent text tommost : 05/09/08 18:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 18:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : crr : 05/09/08 18:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 18:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:34 it makes me want to append 30MB of random data to the end of an image, and have it sent to all campus #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:38 Thunderbird really needs an option to smush ridiculously large images to fit the width of the window. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:38 Even Outlook does this. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:38 generally if the image doesn't fit in the window i don't need to see the rest to know i don't care #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:38 tommost: hey, luckily it's open source #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:39 Morasique: It's not that I actually care to see the rest of the image. It's that the horizontal scrollbar physically pains me. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:39 It would also be useful for image attachments that Thunderbird inligns. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:39 */inligns/inlines/ #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:39 fail. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:40 hmm. thunderbird has the same option firefox does to do exactly what you want, but it doesn't seem to work Morasique : 05/09/08 18:41 >< PART #rhlug : "emc Watergate oil Craig Livingstone Delta Force" Morasique : 05/09/08 18:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 18:41 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:44 why is this class not over? #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:45 Morasique: I think that option only applies to images loaded alone. I'm talking about squishing ones within an HTML document which would need to be handled differently. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:45 We need Greasemonkey for Thunderbird. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:45 oh, ok #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:45 indeed #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:46 There is Stylish for Thunderbird, IIRC. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:48 oh, on the bright side, that hideous image email did alert me to the availability of free food collinjc : 05/09/08 18:49 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:49 we should have a page on the wiki that has a calendar of free food opportunities #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:49 Better: we should have an iCalendar file. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:49 So that they automatically appear in my calendar. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:49 (Not that I care; 18 meal plan.) #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:51 We should take another project, too: a GTK e-mail client that doesn't suck. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:51 WebKit for rendering HTML mails. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:51 Decent text editing support. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:51 HTML emails should not exist #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 I am not totally opposed to HTML mails. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 In moderation. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 no, it allows people to specify fonts #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 when people send me emails in comic sans, i get angry #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 i like having the option to use html e-mails, but they're hugely abused #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 Mainly, I want to be able to tell Outlook users that my e-mail client can render HTML e-mails better than theirs can. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:52 i need a way to strip out certain things, like how on AIM i have it not show incoming fonts, because people can't be trusted to choose wisely #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:53 Since Microsoft switched to using word to "render" HTML. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:53 Morasique: Exactly. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:53 Fully integrated Stylish and Greasmonkey-equivalent functionality. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:54 auchter: you should learn J #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:54 andy753421: that's the language tom's doing for plp, right? #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:54 damn, i was going to go to that presentation #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:55 Also, it needs to use Maildirs. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:55 I freaking hate mboxes. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:55 '!~/~>:i.10' generates pascals triangle.. #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:56 yeah, tom showed me some of the code they were doing #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:56 andy753421: A visualization language? #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:56 it's an absolutely perfect choice for doing a lot of block cipher's like they were doing #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:56 the ability to simply do substitutions and table lookups is great #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:57 tommost: it's array processing #rhlug : 05/09/08 18:57 ACTION wikis it. quark : 05/09/08 18:57 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/09/08 18:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:04 J's cool and all, but i can't actually see myself using it #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:05 s/J/plan9/ #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 Morasique: Troll. #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 tommost: yeah, that's something you're not guilty of #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 i demand you take that back #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 ACTION bows #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 ACTION takes it back #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 ACTION throws it at Morasique as hard as he can #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:06 i'm not sure how heavy trolling accusations are, but imagine that probably hurt #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:07 auchter: Do you have much time to spare for robotics this weekend? #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:08 it's times like this, 3:07 on a friday afternoon, when i ask myself: do i really care about using twin-t notch filters to make a high q bandreject filter? #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:08 yes, you do. and that's why you're a cpe #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:08 tommost: i should have some time #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:08 Did you hear about the paper? #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:08 Morasique: this is the stuff cpes should not have to know/care about #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:09 tommost: yeah... that's relatively depressing #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:09 ah. like how lcds work. for example #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:09 exactly #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:10 tommost: oh, that's right, i still need to send that e-mail #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:10 "And again, it becomes an algebraic game, and I don't have any interest in that..." thirty second later "So let's do that." #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:13 \[ H(s) = \frac{V_o(s)}{V_i(s)} = \frac{s^2\frac{1}{R^2C^2}}{s^2 + \frac{4(1-\sigma)}{RC}s + \frac{1}{R^2C^2}} \] #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:13 i sometime wonder why i even bother with this. #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:15 I'm sad. The free food is now in the SRC, far away from me. It's not worth the bother. #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:16 it is for me... i remember some thai food that was there last year that was delicious #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:16 Oh, really? Like what? #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:16 there wer some curries... i'm heading over there now hoping that there will be some... #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:17 Oh, wow. I'll be there, then. andy753421 : 05/09/08 19:19 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/09/08 19:21 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Morasique : 05/09/08 19:21 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Morasique : 05/09/08 19:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 19:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:31 the group that's presenting right now doesn't know the name of any symbols, which is a problem when you're talking about ruby #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:32 | was "that vertical line thing", and _ was just "that symbol there" #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:32 oh good, they got @ #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:40 i know more ruby from watching tom root's lug presentation than this group does from working with the language for the last 6 weeks #rhlug : 05/09/08 19:54 tommost: why'd you change the "what" on http://lug.phire.org/wiki/Installfest to be a fragment? #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:02 i just tried to use synaptic's option to change my hardy repository to the fastest server in the list, it selected ftp.estpak.ee, located in estonia #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:07 this presentation is an epic failure, curt is teaching them how they're calling methods wrong, which is explaining why the project they've been writing in ruby doesn't work correctly #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:08 how do you work with a language for 6 weeks and not learn the correct way to call a method? collinjc : 05/09/08 20:10 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/09/08 20:15 >< PART #rhlug : "MIT-LL Craig Livingstone [Hello to all my friends and fans in domestic surveillance] encryption Saddam Hussein" Morasique : 05/09/08 20:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 20:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : ferrelaj_work : 05/09/08 20:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:42 Morasique: i take it that curt was not pleased #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:43 he didn't say anything, but i doubt it. they had the whole period to present but only took half of it, so they spent the rest of the time trying out curt's suggestions as he googled for the problems they were having #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:44 i caught up on my rss feeds and looked up to laugh occasionally #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:45 Morasique: My mistake. #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:45 ACTION scolds himself #rhlug : 05/09/08 20:45 "No editing when you're tired!" Mishtal : 05/09/08 20:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/09/08 20:56 >< PART #rhlug : Blazeix : 05/09/08 21:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 21:02 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : rr72 : 05/09/08 21:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/09/08 21:13 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/09/08 21:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 21:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Blazeix : 05/09/08 21:28 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/09/08 21:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 21:44 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/09/08 21:45 So, I got a message that the APO web/mail server, which I am in charge of, was down. #rhlug : 05/09/08 21:45 Some guy needed to play WoW. So he unplugged it. #rhlug : 05/09/08 21:46 sounds reasonable. #rhlug : 05/09/08 21:46 I'll be right back #rhlug : 05/09/08 21:46 I'm going to kill him. kleinjt : 05/09/08 22:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 22:09 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Blazeix : 05/09/08 22:11 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/09/08 22:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/09/08 22:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:40 andy753421: How's that e-mail coming? #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:40 i'm looking up stuff off the igvc site right now #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:41 http://www.igvc.org/rules.html #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:41 Does anyone have a Hardy Heron 64-bit ISO that they can put on waste right now? #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:42 tommost: why put it on waste? #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:42 So my roommate can download it. #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:42 Any other download method would be fine, though.' #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:44 tommost: were you planning on presenting next week? #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:44 I guess so. #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:45 alright, because tom root offered to present on J if you weren't #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:46 I could certainly do a short presentation. #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:46 There's not a huge amount to say about Xdmx. #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:46 And I won't have time to mess around with Chromium before then, so I can't add to much. #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:47 There's a real chance that I'll switch to Greasemonkey. kleinjt : 05/09/08 22:50 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/09/08 22:59 tommost: what do you think about writing the paper on the wiki and then converting it to LaTeX once the content is finished? #rhlug : 05/09/08 23:00 That would be more friendly for the MEs. #rhlug : 05/09/08 23:00 since we're short on time, that would save us having to have everyone learn latex #rhlug : 05/09/08 23:00 Yeah, sounds good. #rhlug : 05/09/08 23:13 tommost: ok, i sent it, but I don't know how coherent it is #rhlug : 05/09/08 23:29 There's one kinda confusing error, but otherwise it makes sense. #rhlug : 05/09/08 23:34 tommost: which is that? andy753421 : 05/10/08 00:13 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/10/08 00:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 00:24 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/10/08 00:45 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 00:45 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : ferrelaj_work : 05/10/08 00:57 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/10/08 01:31 i just used file to figure out a file type and got "ASCII text, with very long lines". i wasn't aware it got that specific tommost : 05/10/08 02:43 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/10/08 02:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 02:58 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : andy753421 : 05/10/08 04:15 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/10/08 04:17 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." andy753421 : 05/10/08 04:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 04:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : povilusr_kaaba : 05/10/08 05:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug rr72_ : 05/10/08 06:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug rr72 : 05/10/08 06:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Mishtal : 05/10/08 15:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/10/08 16:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 16:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Morasique : 05/10/08 17:15 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/10/08 17:24 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 17:24 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : Morasique : 05/10/08 17:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 17:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/10/08 17:26 urban terror just made gdm segfault. that should be impossible kleinjt : 05/10/08 17:49 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/10/08 17:53 tommost: i don't know if you ever got the second keyboard working independently, but multi-pointer x is supposed to get merged into the mainline at the end of the month, and it supports multiple keyboards and mice #rhlug : 05/10/08 17:53 Interesting. #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:22 sites are starting to get ridiculous with how much crap they try to pile on the screen: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;193960399;fp;16;fpid;1 #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:22 the text column in the middle, the only thing anybody on that page cares about, is about 270px #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:23 on a 1920px wide monitor, the only important element on the page fills 270px #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:23 which is why this article is 5 pages long, and whoever came up with separate pages on web stories should be mercilessly killed #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:27 Morasique: i usually just click the "print this story" link on sites like that #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:28 that's a good idea. i have a script that shows all the pages in a row on one page, but that's easier #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:34 i got a very confusing receipt from taco bell #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:35 at the top, in all bold caps it says: "H1! MY NAME IS MIRANDA CALL 1-888-731-9645 GIVE ME ALL & YOU COULD WIN $1,000!!" #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:35 that is verbatim, horrible grammar intact #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:35 Spam is breaking out of the internets #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:36 we got that last time we were at taco bell, we were speculating on what "give me all" means #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:51 i swear fakeroot just let me do something i should've needed root for #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:57 What is fakeroot, exactly? #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:58 it tells a program it has root privileges so programs that demand root but don't actually need it will run #rhlug : 05/10/08 18:58 but the program will fail if it actually tries to do something that needs root Blazeix : 05/10/08 19:01 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr_ : 05/10/08 19:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:41 Morasique: what are you trying to you it for? #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:42 i tried removing what i thought was a root file just to see what error i would get, and it worked #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:42 i assume it wasn't owned by root after all and i just wasn't paying attention #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:47 I just realized something.. when you 'scroll down' the page is really scrolling up.. #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:56 "trying to you it for", "when you 'scroll down' the page is really scrolling up.." #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:57 these are statements i would expect from povilusr_ #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:58 the first only had one typoed word #rhlug : 05/10/08 19:58 the page is scrolling up, but you're scrolling down, where you're looking moves down the page Blazeix : 05/10/08 19:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 19:58 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:00 haha, the second one just seemed like something a drunk person would say, hence the reference to sam #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:15 eclipse has the worst autocomplete ever, i want to stab it in the face #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:19 Morasique: for java? have you found something better? #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:20 i don't know if there's anything better, i don't use anything else, but for some reason it has a habit of choosing the most obscure possible completion, even when context should tell it exactly which one is right #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:20 for example? #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:20 i've always thought it worked pretty well #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:21 i had something like List l=somemethod();, and some method returns a java.util.List, so it's obvious what type l is, and i told eclipse to auto-import and it imported com.sun.xml.internal.bind.v2.schemagen.xmlschema.List #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:21 and then immediately reported that i was storing an incompatible type in that variable #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:21 it does that all the time, it's imports are always wrong #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:22 oh, yea, i've had that problem too, i though you were referring to the stuff that it pops up after you hit '.' #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:22 *thought #rhlug : 05/10/08 20:23 oh. no, that's pretty intelligent, i don't know why imports don't seem to work povilusr_ : 05/10/08 20:30 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Blazeix : 05/10/08 20:52 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/10/08 21:48 >< PART #rhlug : GE123 : 05/10/08 21:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug GE123 : 05/10/08 21:55 >< NICK : embry #rhlug : 05/10/08 21:56 I'm working on OS, and I need to get the pid of the program that I am running, any ideas how to do it? tommost : 05/10/08 21:56 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/10/08 21:58 i know the variable $$ works in the shell, i don't know if that helps #rhlug : 05/10/08 21:58 ya I'm trying to write that var #rhlug : 05/10/08 21:58 lol #rhlug : 05/10/08 21:59 getpid()? #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:00 check the man page for getpid(2), i think that's what you want #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:00 ya, looking at that now #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:03 what exactly is the pid_t type #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:05 what do you mean? #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:05 it's a typedef of an int #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:07 ahh, it's something else that's bitching at me then embry : 05/10/08 22:14 >< QUIT : "Leaving" tommost : 05/10/08 22:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 22:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:17 getpid(); ? #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:18 What is there by way of free food at Skinnerfest? #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:23 tommost: last year there were hotdogs and hamburgers, if i remember correctly #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:24 oh, and sno-cones #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:24 :'( #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:24 No Indian? #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:24 Oh well. #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:24 I'm hungry. #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:24 i'm making pseudo-indian as we speak #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:26 I'm jealous. #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:26 Well, off to Skinnerfest. #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:26 oh, that was today? povilusr_kaaba : 05/10/08 22:41 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) povilusr_ : 05/10/08 22:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:43 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~povilusr/what-is-mark-doing.html #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:46 its funny cause it is static Blazeix : 05/10/08 22:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 22:56 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/10/08 22:56 povilusr_: best page ever #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:00 rofl #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:00 it's actually quite incorrect. #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:00 yeah, mark never plays eve online #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:01 watching bullshit and installing solidedge #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:01 and playing eve #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:02 well, that's why I have multiple computers :) #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:03 that turned around fast. all of 20 seconds to get from "it's actually quite incorrect" to confessing he is playing eve after all #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:09 what is the appeal of eve? #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:09 You really want me to ramble on? #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:09 auchter: i was looking at it on wikipedia, the economy seems interesting #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:09 auchter: take it back before it's too late #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:10 heh #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:10 I want to hear aaaallll about EVE. #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:10 top, youre a bastard #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:10 andy753421: yeah, i saw that... however, it seems like most people who play it spend quite a bit of time playing it #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:11 what in particular makes that time well spent #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:11 ACTION suspects he should take this to another channel #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 funny thing is, povilusr plays and then insults me... #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 i don't think he plays quite as often as you #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 it's like how i play urban terror, and then isaac plays urban terror #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 no he really doesn't #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 heh #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 you could probably say that with me too #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 I play about equal amounts urt and eve #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:12 also, urban terror doesn't cost $15/mo #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:13 i was referring to the time difference, i play occasionally, isaac plays all the time #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:13 Yeah, that's what kills any interest I have in most MMORPGs. Monthly cost. #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:13 Morasique: so was I #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:14 auchter: well if you pay $15/month then you might as well get your money's worth :) #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:14 The monthly cost issue put me off for a long time, but given the amusement I actually get from it, I deem it worth it for now #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:14 andy753421: haha, that has to be some sort of logical fallacy #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:16 and it's a combo of the economy and then RTS aspect... it's basically the most insane RTS I've ever played at the highest levels. #rhlug : 05/10/08 23:16 Blazeix : 05/10/08 23:29 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/10/08 23:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/10/08 23:50 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/11/08 00:07 way to rationalize your money away... :\ Mishtal : 05/11/08 00:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/11/08 00:19 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/11/08 01:42 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Morasique : 05/11/08 03:02 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/11/08 03:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 03:03 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Mishtal : 05/11/08 03:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/11/08 03:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/11/08 03:24 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) povilusr_kaaba : 05/11/08 03:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/11/08 03:45 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/11/08 04:06 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Mishtal : 05/11/08 04:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/11/08 04:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 04:47 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/11/08 04:48 >< QUIT : Client Quit Morasique : 05/11/08 05:10 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Morasique : 05/11/08 05:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 05:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : ferrela1 : 05/11/08 05:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj : 05/11/08 05:38 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost_aorist : 05/11/08 05:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/11/08 06:33 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:00 i lost points on a 376 assignment because there was a class named Database, with the methods connect, runSelect and runUpdate. apparently Tori was sad that these were not commented, she found it confusing. can anyone hazard a guess as to what these methods do? #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:00 Morasique: I don't know, but they sound pretty useless to me #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:01 :'( #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:02 well, i guess that depends on what language you're using #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:02 java #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:02 maybe not then, never used databases in java #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:02 it's kind of a pain, i have a class i just copy to any projects that need it #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:03 ah, you'd think that would be included with the 50 billion other classes that come with java. #rhlug : 05/11/08 07:03 well, it has database stuff, it's just the usual java clunkiness povilusr_desktop : 05/11/08 15:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/11/08 15:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 15:57 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : tommost : 05/11/08 16:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 16:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : kleinjt : 05/11/08 16:06 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Blazeix : 05/11/08 16:41 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 16:41 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : tommost : 05/11/08 16:49 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/11/08 17:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 17:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:17 auchter: Will you be showing up today for robotics? #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:22 tommost: yeah, going to head over in a few minutes #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:22 Great. John says that the motor smells funny. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:23 uhh... #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:23 Oh. Joe says that the motor smells funny. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:23 that doesn't make it any better #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:23 Screw that. kleinjt says that the motor smells funny. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:24 that still worries me #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:25 He says that it's more likely the motor controller's fault. He'll talk to you when you get here. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:25 Don't be worried unless it will make you get here faster. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:26 tell him the robot burst into flames #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:26 and started killing people #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:26 OMGFLAMES!!! #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:26 ACTION gurgles #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:27 ACTION is consumed by the rampaging robot tommost : 05/11/08 17:27 >< NICK : death_robot #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:27 MWAHAHAHAHA!!! #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:27 ACTION watches death_robot destroy tommost #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:33 I'll save you! Blazeix : 05/11/08 17:33 >< KICK #rhlug death_robot : Blazeix #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:33 i won't tommost : 05/11/08 17:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 17:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:34 Thanks, Blazeix. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:34 no problem. #rhlug : 05/11/08 17:47 andy753421: Is this laser stuff supposed to do something besides spit stuff into my console for every freaking pixel in the image? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:15 shit #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:15 i wish i had a graphing calc now #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:15 use sage #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:15 rr72_: How can you have survived high school without a graphing calculator? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:15 tommost it is at school #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:16 Morasique~ don't you need to pay for that? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:16 no #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:16 It's open source. #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:16 its the free maple right? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:16 yes #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:17 just need to graph functions and then integrate them #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:17 this is interesting: http://www.vnode.ch/fixing_seekdir #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:20 god damnit #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:20 can't get vmware #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:20 maybe should just install it on my computer in my room #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:21 Qemu is your friend. #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:21 sure, will just do that, so i can get to it on any computer then #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:21 tommost trying to do windows install #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:21 easier in my room then, too lazy to go to my room, that wouldnt help anyways cause no monitor or keyboard or mouse #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:23 ROBOTICS IS NOW!!! #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:25 andy753421: You must be here!!! #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:43 can i change it so i can access my notebook on sage from other computers?(ips) isntead of localhost? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:43 you can't ssh? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:44 I already am in it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:45 but i need graphs #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:45 how do you think i installed ir remotely :-P #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:45 *it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:45 vnc? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:46 ew vnc? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:46 you are serious? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:47 er. what's wrong with vnc? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:47 ok so i have it running on my machine, how do i access it from another computer? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:47 .........vnc #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:47 you can use xhost to fiddle with that if you want, but i always use vnc #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:48 ick #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:48 no vnc #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:48 have fun then #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:49 you can use xhost to change the permissions for connecting directly to x, that's the only other way i can think to do it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:49 i can't just change a config file or line in it then run ff and point it to that ip? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:49 there is no point in vnc in just to run a web browser #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:49 well i know of a way but don't like it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:49 oh, you're using the web interface. i don't usually use that. i thought you could just access it remotely #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 i don't know how to configure sage #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 why vnc in when you can ssh in? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 well, you said ssh wasn't working, i said that first #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 ssh? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 that is how i installed it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 <@Morasique> you can't ssh? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 rr72_ I already am in it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:50 rr72_ but i need graphs #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:51 how do you think i installed ir remotely :-P #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:51 (SSH) #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:51 are you on drugs? i get how you installed it, you said you couldn't use ssh to actually use it because you need graphs, so i suggested vnc #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:51 rr72_: ssh -X is your friend. #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:51 tommost have no xserver on windows #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:52 if you're using the sage web interface i'm sure there's a way to allow remote connections #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:52 rtfm #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:52 Morasique~ i type in notebook() and it tries to open up firefox #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:52 get an error of coarse cause no display to connect to #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:53 notebook() starts the web listener, you can connect to :8000 to use it #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:53 it tries to auto-launch the browser too, but you can probably just ignore that #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:54 rr72_: Install one. #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:55 tommost shut up right now god damnit #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:55 the error is that firefox can't open, but the web listener still starts #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:55 .......ooook #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:55 Morasique~ i try to, let me scan ports to see if it did open it on stuff besides localhost #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:57 it might be a firewall problem. there are probably many easier ways to graph stuff than going through all this, i assumed you were running linux and had a display available #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 Morasique~ it only oppens it on localhost, not eth0 or ra0 #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 firewall problem? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 you mean it opens on lo? TBoneULS : 05/11/08 18:58 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 yes #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 only #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 how do you know? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:58 nmap #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:59 a firewall would block the port too #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:59 what firewall? #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:59 iptables #rhlug : 05/11/08 18:59 i don't have it set up #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:00 i'm not sure then #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:00 i am sure it is just changing a single arg somewhere to allow connections from others Mishtal : 05/11/08 19:04 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:07 Is anyone here in Skinner? #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:07 i assume you mean besides andy753421 #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:07 try calling his room #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:08 What's the magical number to say his name into the phone and get his room? #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:08 6000 #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:16 http://rafb.net/p/gCwj4I80.html #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:17 still no lucnh yet Morasique #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:17 luck #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 i vote you install linux on whatever machine you're on right now #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 but that's just me #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 auchter: that's bizarre #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 Can't people on mailman lists remove themselves? #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 try googling for a graphing calculator program, i'm sure there is one #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 I swear that that's the first thing I've ever heard from that guy. #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:18 the team should show up at his room demanding to know why he's late #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 Morasique~ linux is on this machine #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 Good idea, except that needs to happen for people who actually are late. I.e. the entire team. #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 rr72_: so why don't you install sage on the machine you're on? #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 but i don't want sage on this #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 i thought you were running windows, you told Blazeix you had no x server #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 would take to long to install #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:19 its an older machine #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:20 i don't have an x server on my windows machine #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:20 which i have a KVM to #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:21 i still elect you find a different program #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:21 i vote for my grapher #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:22 but that doesnt work #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:22 good vote then #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:25 auchter: in that e-mail, why does the text change to purple suddenly? is that a nopaste thing? andy753421 : 05/11/08 19:26 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:27 Morasique: i pasted it as C++ #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:27 ah #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:31 Morasique~ i am a complete fucking idiot #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:32 RTFM!!!!!!!! #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:32 ... #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:32 ACTION resists the urge to say anything #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:32 its in there #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:32 that's good #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:32 help files are SO helpful #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:33 the hardest part usually is finding where they are #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:33 /usr/share/doc is usually a winner, but apparently sage's aren't there #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 interactive help #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 shit #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 i just see a blank page now #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 gr #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 did you use https? #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 oh no #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 ty #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 it connects, just nothing shows #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 fucking dumb ass #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 ty #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:35 ACTION is keyboard bashes #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:37 er is? #rhlug : 05/11/08 19:37 god andy753421 : 05/11/08 19:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 19:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/11/08 19:38 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/11/08 19:54 >< PART #rhlug : "FBI Lon Horiuchi Cohiba arrangements Security Council" Morasique : 05/11/08 20:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 20:06 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Morasiqu2 : 05/11/08 20:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/11/08 20:27 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:27 Morasique~ I don't know how to give me not exact answers #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:27 lol Morasiqu2 : 05/11/08 20:31 >< NICK : Morasique ChanServ : 05/11/08 20:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:52 Morasique~ how do i get it to give me decmal answers? #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:53 i have no idea, i haven't used sage #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:53 evalf in maple #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:53 :) #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:57 i am just typing in integral(F,x,a,b) #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:57 yeah, i still don't know sage #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:58 what do you use sage for then? #rhlug : 05/11/08 20:58 i don't, i plan to learn it someday, i use maple #rhlug : 05/11/08 21:00 oh ok Morasique : 05/11/08 21:06 >< PART #rhlug : "South Africa Watergate George W. Bush propaganda Honduras" Morasique : 05/11/08 21:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 21:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/11/08 21:27 i had if [ 'pgrep pulseaudio' ]; in a shell script, and it kept running that block even when pulseaudio wasn't running. definitely used single quotes instead of backticks #rhlug : 05/11/08 21:27 i'm pretty sure i hate myself right now andy753421 : 05/11/08 21:29 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/11/08 21:29 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/11/08 21:33 http://tim.movementarian.com/archives/computer_bomb.jpg #rhlug : 05/11/08 21:46 Morasique: oh how i miss weekly world news andy753421 : 05/11/08 21:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 21:47 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : kleinjt : 05/11/08 22:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 22:01 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : povilusr_kaaba : 05/11/08 22:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) tommost : 05/11/08 22:10 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 22:10 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:35 kleinjt: that dc-dc converter is out of stock #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:38 auchter: the HV version is in stock on mini-box.com #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:39 i saw that, but it's only 140W #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:40 auchter/kleinjt: i'm going to go eat dinner, update the buylist when you figure it out #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:40 auchter: http://store.mp3car.com/Automotive_12v_Power_Supplies_s/2.htm has them in stock #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:40 ah, perfect #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:45 anybody in the cs lab? kleinjt : 05/11/08 22:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/11/08 22:52 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=549564&cid=23372118 #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:12 so, which one of those? povilusr_desktop : 05/11/08 23:15 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:17 andy753421: the M2-ATX 160W from http://store.mp3car.com/Automotive_12v_Power_Supplies_s/2.htm #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:20 auchter: Are you sure that's powerful enough? #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:20 http://store.mp3car.com/M2_ATX_160W_Intelligent_DC_DC_PSU_p/pwr-015.htm indicates that it's for low-power CPUs. #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:21 jon's the one who picked it out. #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:22 the CPU will draw 65 watts alone #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:22 we don't have any hard drives/cd roms which will draw much current #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:22 That's true. #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:22 How much will the mobo draw? #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:23 (How much did that cost, anyway? I need to put it on the cost summary.) #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:23 good question, but i can't really imagine it drawing anywhere near 100W, given the lack of cooling capabilities #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:24 the mini-box sites says that it's 'ideal cower power supply for operating Core 2 duo, celeron, and AMD systems' #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:24 i'm frightened by the "cower" in there... #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:26 ah, typod, no wonder I couldn't figure out how much of that quote i had typed.. #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:27 usually i copy and paste in those instances #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:27 yea, that probably would have been faster tommost : 05/11/08 23:37 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Morasique : 05/11/08 23:41 >< PART #rhlug : "9/11 Glock Venezuela MD4 quiche" Blazeix : 05/11/08 23:45 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 23:45 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : tommost : 05/11/08 23:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/11/08 23:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : jboticsource : 05/11/08 23:59 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:59 so u can all kill me now #rhlug : 05/11/08 23:59 We want to. #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:00 https://project.rhitrobotics.org/mw/UGVProject:Design_Competition_2008 #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:00 ACTION flicks his taskmaster's whip #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:00 i had been awake since 9 am friday #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:00 ACTION turns his gaze on auchter and kleinjt #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:01 an i pretty much passed out and died #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:01 link is broken #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:01 No it's not. #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:05 so, i'm going to trust jon and go ahead and get that dc-dc converter #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:05 what r u trying 2 link me 2?\ #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:05 jboticsource: the paper we have to write by tomorrow #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:05 i know #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:05 i will start writing now #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:05 write the hardware section #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:06 auchter: write the electronics section #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:06 ok #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:06 tommost: if you can write some of the software, i would appreciate it #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:06 i think i can get most of the administrative/integration stuff #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:06 Okay. Morasique : 05/12/08 00:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 00:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:08 andy753421: You'll need to write some about the image recognition stuff, though. I'm not really familiar with it, or what your plans are. #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:09 alright #rhlug : 05/12/08 00:17 rebooting into winfail jboticsource : 05/12/08 00:17 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/12/08 00:22 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/12/08 00:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/12/08 00:42 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/12/08 01:00 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/12/08 01:00 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/12/08 01:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 01:11 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 Morasique~ you need to do notebook(address='') #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 i tried but had syntax wrong #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 Morasique: apparently quiche is something only terrorists eat #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 i think you mean you need to. i don't need to do anything, i run sage locally #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 that's how i do it now #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 i figured it out a while ago(a couple hours) #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:15 auchter: Quiche is delicious. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:16 well, it's in M-x spook, which is disturbing kleinjt : 05/12/08 01:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 01:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : andy753421 : 05/12/08 01:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 01:18 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:18 andy753421: Why did we upgrade the kernel? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:18 tommost: because the old kernel didn't support the ethernet port #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:19 "for enhanced compatibility with the latest hardware" ;) #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:19 in Outlook can you inport gpg keys? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:19 rr72_: No. Outlook fails. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 ok fuck outlook #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 thunderbird #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 :-D #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 can a microsoft product import something made by a gnu product? good luck with that #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 indeed #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 So i will need to install th underbird when i get laptop and fuck with outlook to make it not work and #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:20 delete my account #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 FYI, Thunderbird fails too, for different reasons. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 So does Evolution. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 enimail #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 you can install the addition #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 i use gpg with thunderbird #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 If you ever find an e-mail client that doesn't suck gratuitously, tell me about it. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:21 hastymail #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:22 Mutt - All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:22 octavious~ yerp #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:23 i fucked up my mail on my laptop (internal mail system) #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:24 My e-mail recently got messed up when I followed a certain someone's advice as to how to fix the truncated attachment problem. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:24 I'm now trying to install an IMAP server on my server. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:27 tommost i had one set up just deleted half of it and don't know what half it was ferrelaj_laptop : 05/12/08 01:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:27 and the config files are fucked up as well #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:27 tommost: well, clearly you fail, it works fine for everyone else :) #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:30 Does everyone else tag all their e-mail? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:30 'cause that's what got messed up. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:30 yeah, i tag mine #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:30 tommost_aorist: please define 'tag' #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:30 "Label" in previous versions of Thunderbird. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:31 Or were they called categories?... #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:31 i don't user thunderbird, but procmail sorts mine into seperate maildirs tommost : 05/12/08 01:31 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/12/08 01:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 01:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:32 doesnt google already auto tags them? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:32 hence why you can't make dirs? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:32 Not my Rose e-mail. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:32 but yahoo i have it put all the school email in "Rose" #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:32 I have Thunderbird filters that do some of it, but not all of it can be filtered automatically. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:32 neat trick, if on gmail you make your tags foo/bar/baz thunderbird will sort them into directories #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:33 andy753421: Yeah, I do that. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:34 andy753421~ pop or imap or does it not matter? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:34 rr72_: i did that with imap, i've never downloaded gmail with pop #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:35 so pop is old now right? most people are switching to imap? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:35 I have all my Rose e-mail on Rose's servers because I don't like the idea of giving Gmail my Rose password. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:35 rr72_: imap maintains a connection so when mail arrives it can notify you intead of having to wait for the next time it polls the server #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:36 tommost you keep them on the server so you don't download the messages? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:36 That's how IMAP works. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:36 They just get cached locall. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:36 *locally. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:37 ah ok #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:37 how big of a quota you get for mail? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:37 Unless, of course, you apply a certain person's suggestion regarding chunked downloading and Thunderbird decides that every folder must be downloaded again whenever it is opened. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:37 rr72_: 200 MB right now. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:37 tommost lol is that what got screwed up? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:37 Yeah. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:38 And when the folders in question have thousands of messages in them... #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:38 Well, let us just say that I am reminded of why I tried switching to Evolution for a while. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:39 so IMAP you can use multiple computers and have all the same messages and pop fucks everything up right? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 Yes. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 Don't use POP; it's crappy. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 And ancient. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 so i know #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 everything is pop though #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 gmail, lavamail #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:40 yahoo is crappy and webby #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:41 Running an IMAP server is much more resource intensive. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:41 That's why Gmail's IMAP rollout was gradual. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:48 what is difference of inbox and All Mail? #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:50 All Mail contains all of your mail. #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:51 but inbox is above [gmail] #rhlug : 05/12/08 01:52 [gmail] contains special gmail folders. #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:16 ok i have my root imap.gmail #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:16 then i have inbox #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:17 then under, not in it, so same level i have [Gmail] then i have allmail and sent and trash ... etc under [Gmail] #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:18 Fucking Firefox keeps crashing when I'm not even using it. #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 i hate outlook express #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 fuck it #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 i am just going to undo it all #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 i don't think anybody in the world likes outlook express #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 tommost: does it just suddenly close? #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 that's what happens to me #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:19 i'll go to alt-tab to it and realize it's not open anymore #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:21 Yeah, exactly that. andy753421 : 05/12/08 02:28 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/12/08 02:28 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 02:28 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/12/08 02:53 auchter, andy753421: Have parts been ordered yet? Mishtal : 05/12/08 02:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/12/08 02:58 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:03 tommost: depending on the definition of 'the parts', yes #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:03 check the buylist, i moved the ordered ones to an ordered section #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:03 Excellent, depending on the definition of 'the parts'. #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:04 Okay, that is excellent, then. #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:04 Aside from the GPS thing. #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:04 Which grandly sucks. Blazeix : 05/12/08 03:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 03:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Mishtal : 05/12/08 03:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 03:47 in latex math environments, does anyone know how to do hex without it italicizing the letters? ferrelaj_laptop : 05/12/08 03:58 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/12/08 03:59 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:01 do you have an underscore somewhere? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:01 that's usually what makes it do random italics #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:02 no, latex usually italicizes letters in math environments, as they are typically variables #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:03 it leaves numbers alone, hence hex looks odd #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:03 i got around it by just putting it in \mathbf, but i'm sure there's a better way #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:03 ah. i don't know anything about the math environment, there probably is some correct way to do it #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:03 especially since i'm looking at a paper typset in latex that has it correct... #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:03 auchter: What paper are you working on? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:04 i'm working on my presentation for cryptography #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:04 Mmmm... #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:08 crazy regex time! #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:08 \(\_s*\n\(\%$\|\(\(=\{1,6}\)[^=]*\4 *$\)\&\(\z1=\)\@!\)\)\@= #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:08 ACTION jumps for joy! #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:08 my brain just exploded #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:09 MediaWiki to LaTeX? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:09 tommost: close, that matches the end of a section of wikipedia markup #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:10 so if you're in '=== foo ===', it will matching any sections with 3 or less ='s, but stop before it actually gets there so it maches the end of the previous section not the start of the current #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:10 it depends on \z1 being defined to the string of ='s for the current section #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:11 Okay, yeah. I wasn't sure what that was about. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:11 Is this a vim thing? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:11 yes, also, \%$ is the end of file #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:11 syn region wikiFold start="^\z(\(=\{1,6}\)\)[^=]*\1 *$" end="\(\_s*\n\(\%$\|\(\(=\{1,6}\)[^=]*\4 *$\)\&\(\z1=\)\@!\)\)\@=" transparent fold keepend #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:12 and then ':set foldmethod=syntax' to fold wikipedia sections #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:13 I would guess you could do something similar to get python indention to auto fold itself #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:13 am i the only one who thinks that andy's a masochist? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:13 well, he does use vim #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:15 auchter: I think he's awesome. andy753421 : 05/12/08 04:16 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:26 tommost: i appreciate you making me feel like a failure, btw collinjc : 05/12/08 04:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:34 collinjc: hey, do we have anything due in ece332 tomorrow? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:34 auchter: No, not until Tuesday, I believe. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:35 ok, that'd the memo, right (he had to announce this on the one day i didn't have my laptop...) #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:35 s/'d/'d be / andy753421 : 05/12/08 04:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 04:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:37 Yes, that's the one. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:48 andy753421: Where do we stand on the paper? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:49 i've been filling in a bit more, *looking at the page* i like those diagrams you made #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:49 what did you do those in? #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:49 I've put SVG versions in the repository. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:49 Inkscape. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:49 alright #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 ACTION glares at auchter #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 ACTION glares at auchter #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 the electronics sections seems strangely empty.. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 i was glaring at auchter before it was cool to glare at auchter #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 ACTION glares at jboticsource #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 ACTION glares at luglog  #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 ACTION glares at Morasique #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:50 i'll start on it once i finish this problem (i'm on the last part now...) #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:51 auchter: alright, we need to have it turned in today/tomorrow #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:51 so i've heard kleinjt : 05/12/08 04:51 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:51 how convenient that he times out #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:51 ACTION glares at kleinjt #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:56 ACTION glares at igvc #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:57 Because it's totally IGVC's fault, you see. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:57 excellent week they chose to have it due #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:57 Oh, indeed. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:58 But excellent us for not being aware of the due date. #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:58 ACTION glares at Kevin Wigasdfasdfjjjasdf #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:58 hmm, those diagrams are awfully nice... #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:58 i've been doing the diagrams for my presentation in xfig, perhaps i should give inkscape a tryu #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:59 you could try dia #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:59 or you could skip a step and just shoot yourself in the head now #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:59 i did, i ended up fighting with it #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:59 i guess i'm the only one who likes dia :( #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:59 xfig's ability to glue objects together is nice #rhlug : 05/12/08 04:59 plus, xfig's interface is glorious #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:00 i'll have to try xfig and inkscape, i've never found a diagram maker i like on linux #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:00 i'm installing inkscape now, off ubuntu's blazingly fast servers #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:00 14.4mb = 3 minutes #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:00 It was a pretty manual process in Inkscape for me, though Inkscape has a diagram tool that I didn't use. #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:00 Not that it took very long, since I know Inkscape pretty well. collinjc : 05/12/08 05:08 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_desktop : 05/12/08 05:11 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:19 heck yes. my "java" "compiler" has methods with multi-valued return. that'll blow your mind #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:20 OMGPython. #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:20 die #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:20 i pretty much did it the python way, it's just syntactic sugar for boxing in an Object[] #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:20 What exactly is this project that you've been working on for so long? #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:21 it's for compilers, it's a compiler for "minijava" #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:21 which is java but with like 10 features #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:23 andy753421: Is there anything else that I should add to the software section? TBoneULS : 05/12/08 05:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 05:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS : #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:32 tommost: hold on, let me look over it #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:32 also, where did you put those SVG files? #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:32 In the paper directory in the administrative repository. jboticsource : 05/12/08 05:42 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/12/08 05:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/12/08 05:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/12/08 05:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 05:59 tommost: that looks good, you can add more stuff if you want/think of things though #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:00 Well, we're supposed to address object avoidance and image processing, but they're more your domains. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:00 I have another paper to write, too. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:00 yea, that's what I was thinking, i'll write down what we have and then make up the rest #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:03 so, are we going to have ultrasonic rangefinder on it? #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:03 No, auchter shot that down. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:03 He hates the things. Unreliable, apparently. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:04 :( but i had a great metaphor for the robots control systems #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:04 "A one-eyed man with a cane" #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:05 if the cane randomly changed lengths so the user has no perception of actual distance, that would work #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:05 ACTION laughs #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:05 :-) #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:05 which is essentially what the rangefinders do #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:05 i suppose he'd have to be deaf too jboticsource : 05/12/08 06:20 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/12/08 06:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:28 jboticsource: How's it coming? #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:28 it is started #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:28 i am about 2 nap #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:28 and finish it lator #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:28 i know it is due today #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 i will have it donw #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 latorz jboticsource : 05/12/08 06:29 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 I'm thinking that I'll do some copy editing 2nd and 3rd hours. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 But I'm going to bed now; I have an 8 a.m. tomorrow. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 so this is due today #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 Yes. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:29 how do we have to turn it in #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:30 Mail. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:30 It will be late. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:30 tommost: isn't there a email option too (if i remember, we need to do both) #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:30 andy753421: When will you be converting it to LaTeX? #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:30 Yeah. And mail electronic versions on CD-ROM, too. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:31 sometime tomorrow afternoon (before 5) #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:32 also, i don't live far away from warren... if it would save a day, i could perhaps have someone there print it out and mail it #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:32 Okay, then I'll do copy editing on the wiki. #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:35 auchter: That might be a good idea. tommost : 05/12/08 06:41 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/12/08 06:45 ok, i've got some basic outlining done for the electrical section. i'll be in the lab around 3:25 tomorrow to work on it collinjc : 05/12/08 11:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/12/08 11:39 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr_ : 05/12/08 12:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/12/08 12:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_ : 05/12/08 12:39 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Mishtal : 05/12/08 12:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/12/08 12:57 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc : 05/12/08 13:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/12/08 13:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 13:03 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : jboticsourc1 : 05/12/08 13:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug crr : 05/12/08 13:39 >< PART #rhlug : jboticsource : 05/12/08 13:45 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Mishtal : 05/12/08 14:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/12/08 14:01 >< PART #rhlug : tommost : 05/12/08 14:38 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." Blazeix : 05/12/08 14:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc : 05/12/08 14:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/12/08 14:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 14:51 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/12/08 14:53 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/12/08 14:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 14:54 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:04 Oh Lawd #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:04 Take for example Apple Computers, makers of the popular Macintosh line of computers. The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (MacOS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:05 where's this from? #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:05 http://objectiveministries.org/creation/propaganda.html #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:05 hooray for the internet #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:07 haha and then they mention how Hexley is meant to make children using OS X worship Satan #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:08 :D i like the part about pokemon. they should make a church-friendly version of pokemon where the pokemon are replaced by god instead of evolving #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:08 wait, hexley performs black magic? cool! #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:10 haha chariots of fire every time a Pokemon reaches a certain level #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:11 apparently dawkins uses macs. thus, he is satan Mishtal : 05/12/08 15:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:12 "While many Creationists are content to ignore Mr. Dawkins and his quasiquixotic quest to vanquish the Watchmaker (i.e. kill God,) we shouldn't turn a blind eye to this tinkerer, for he makes his own brand of diabolical watches -- watches that tell not time, but lies!" #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:12 that last part actually made me laugh out loud, that's awesome #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:13 hahaha wow #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:14 ACTION looks at wrist, sees that Satan is Lord. #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:14 ACTION should have probably bought a Rolex instead. Mishtal : 05/12/08 15:17 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Mishtal : 05/12/08 15:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerin_oil kleinjt : 05/12/08 15:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 15:19 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:19 auchter: I'll be in the CS lab today to work on it at around 3:30. Mishtal : 05/12/08 15:26 >< PART #rhlug : jboticsourc1 : 05/12/08 15:39 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/12/08 15:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 15:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : kleinjt : 05/12/08 15:44 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/12/08 15:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:53 So where do we stand on the paper? #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:53 it will be done #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:56 (religious voice) #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:56 :) luggod : 05/12/08 15:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:57 blasphemy! lugsatan : 05/12/08 15:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/12/08 15:57 >< MODE #rhlug +o lugsatan : #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:57 MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA lugsatan : 05/12/08 15:57 >< KICK #rhlug luggod : lugsatan lugsatan : 05/12/08 15:57 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/12/08 15:58 well, that was fun tommost : 05/12/08 16:34 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/12/08 16:35 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection crr : 05/12/08 16:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 16:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : crr : 05/12/08 16:43 >< PART #rhlug : collinjc : 05/12/08 16:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/12/08 16:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/12/08 16:51 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource : 05/12/08 16:51 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc : 05/12/08 16:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/12/08 16:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 16:58 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Morasique : 05/12/08 17:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 17:02 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : collinjc : 05/12/08 17:05 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/12/08 17:21 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/12/08 17:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 17:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Blazeix : 05/12/08 17:29 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr_ : 05/12/08 17:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_laptop : 05/12/08 17:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/12/08 18:12 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 18:12 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : andy753421 : 05/12/08 18:13 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/12/08 18:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 18:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Mishtal : 05/12/08 18:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/12/08 18:30 >< PART #rhlug : povilusr_ : 05/12/08 18:31 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Blazeix : 05/12/08 18:34 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) crr : 05/12/08 18:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 18:44 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : jboticsourc1 : 05/12/08 18:47 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/12/08 19:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 19:00 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/12/08 19:14 Robotics paper status? #rhlug : 05/12/08 19:15 isn't it on the wiki? #rhlug : 05/12/08 19:15 It does not appear to be complete. #rhlug : 05/12/08 19:15 When jboticsource comes online nag him about it. #rhlug : 05/12/08 19:16 I'm going to take a nap. #rhlug : 05/12/08 19:16 ok, i'm going to be heading to the cs lab to work on it for a bit andy753421 : 05/12/08 19:18 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/12/08 19:21 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection Morasique : 05/12/08 19:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 19:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : kleinjt : 05/12/08 20:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 20:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/12/08 20:15 auchter: Is the paper writing party over in the CS lab? Blazeix : 05/12/08 20:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 20:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/12/08 20:35 kleinjt: yeah, you should probaly add stuff to the copy on the wiki #rhlug : 05/12/08 20:35 kill switch and whatever esle you can think of Morasique : 05/12/08 20:37 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Morasiqu2 : 05/12/08 20:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/12/08 21:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 21:02 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:03 Zeta_RHIT, TBoneULS: When do you want to work on Econ? #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:08 6 or 7 ish #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:08 Baty's dealing with his car atm #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:10 so IAIT is replacing w/ 100GB drives now #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:11 yep #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:11 they have been for awhile i think #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:11 we have 80s and 100s collinjc : 05/12/08 21:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj_laptop : 05/12/08 21:17 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/12/08 21:25 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/12/08 21:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:45 ACTION feels sorry for addiator #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:47 what the hell is sicklenl doing on addiator? #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:48 Three separate processes all with 9999% CPU usage. Impressive #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:48 holy crap #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:48 now 4 #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:48 he has about a million processes running #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:49 i have never seen this before, i should save this output #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:49 He lives in BSB004. #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:50 I should pop on over there and ask him what's going on #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:50 are you in our room? #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:50 yes, you really should #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:50 i just line counted it, he has 146166 processes running #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:51 sicklenl knows about it #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:51 tell him to knock it off #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 run away processes for their OS shell program. #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 Apparently Merkle is supposed to be taking care of it. #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 146166 of them? #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 fork bomb? #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 the load average is 16 #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 With Merkle, on the job, we can be sure that it will be fixed in a timely manner. #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:52 damn comma. collinjc : 05/12/08 21:52 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:53 i'm in the cs lab, i might go yell at him #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:54 Go for it. BSB005 will be responsible for saving addiator. #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:55 this would be an excellent time for somebody to point out to IAIT that andy753421's limits would have prevented this Morasiqu2 : 05/12/08 21:55 >< NICK : Morasique ChanServ : 05/12/08 21:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:55 I was just about to say that addiator should have some safeguards. #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:56 and/or competent sysadmins #rhlug : 05/12/08 21:56 the output from ps is 10mb. that amuses me povilusr_desktop : 05/12/08 21:59 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:02 Blazeix: why doesn't he just kill the processes? we're trying to use addiator right now, it sucks huge #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:03 I'm not sure. Maybe he can't log in since he spawned the processes or something #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:03 he's logged in now #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:09 tell him to run 'kill -9 -1' #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:10 i tried sending him a message, i didn't get any response #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:10 Morasique: an addiator message, or an im/email? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:10 addiator #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:10 i'm guessing that with that many process he won't be responding to writes.. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:10 that is, if he knows how #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:11 andy753421: what does the -1 do? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:12 also, he doesn't need a pid? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:12 the -1 is the pid, it's everything with pid > 1 #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:12 ahh #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:12 but he doesn't appear to be answering #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:12 i told him the command #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:12 that keeps processes from spawning children as others are dieing #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:13 Nate has left his room. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:13 Can't find him #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:13 awesome #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:13 Nate being sicklenl #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:19 Blazeix: check if his computer is unlocked :D #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:22 does anyone by any chance know what working directory that's being executed from, and/or have a copy of the source code? jboticsource : 05/12/08 22:23 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:26 Morasique: He's back, but he can't seem to log in #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:26 iait should really just give us root on that machine #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:27 (At least, its been hanging for the past 5 minutes) #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:27 I gave him the command, and hopefully he'll get a prompt eventually. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:27 Apparently he sent an email to Merkle around 1 PM. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:28 merkle wasn't in his office when i checked, i don't think he's too worried #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:28 what can merkle even do? professors don't have any special permission on addiator #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:28 octavious~ was shoved into nick's room and forced to play CoD4 lol #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:28 "You are going to sit here and play xbox" #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:29 I could have sworn I saw archana with root permissions once #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:29 I forget exactly what she was doing, but I thought it was odd at the time. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 i know claude doesn't have any, he files tickets with iait all the time, and if he doesn't i doubt they give it to archana #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 are you sure it wasn't a CS machine? they have root on our servers #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 Its quite possible that it was. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 I can't even log back into addiator now. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 Morasique~ you live in the basement right? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 i'm on, but i can' tdo anything #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:30 yeah #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:31 Iam sure I passed by your window kleinjt : 05/12/08 22:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 22:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:31 many have #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:31 lol #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:31 why would one need to use a modem to conenct to Rose? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:32 professors use it from off campus sometimes, you don't ever need to #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:32 oh to check their mail? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:32 or whatever #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:32 wait no, webmail right? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:32 there is webmail, i don't know why they do it #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:32 it's not commonly used #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:33 what is on the network? just liscenses for the programs right? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:33 tons of stuff, all the course materials #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:33 oh, ok #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:33 A lot of application installers too. kleinjt : 05/12/08 22:33 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:34 So, addiator just closed my ssh connection. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:34 I'm pretty sure it's hosed. #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:34 i tried to run ls and it froze #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 uhm ok then #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 i can't believe they haven't fixed this yet #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 rr72_: ? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 i keep meaning to bind "rr72: ?" to a hotkey #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 nice #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 don't bother :-P rr72_ : 05/12/08 22:35 >< NICK : rrmm #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:35 wait. where'd he go? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 Morasique: He fooled your keybindg! #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 s/keybindg/keybinding/ #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 I WANT MY HOUSING FORM!! #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 maybe next week? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 holy crap, who is that? #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 oh shit #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 i need to do the school crap #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:36 We're waiting for the housing announcement for next year, too jboticsource : 05/12/08 22:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:43 i just passed by merkle in the myer's building #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:43 attack him #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:43 iait is already gone, he should've done something 4 hours ago #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:45 i'm rather amused by all this jboticsource : 05/12/08 22:52 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:57 haha, now addiator's just filled with zombies #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:57 :D that's impressive #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:57 junkersa is in there a lot suddenly #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:59 129808 lines in ps aux... #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:59 that's down from what it was, i had 146166 earlier #rhlug : 05/12/08 22:59 Load average: 14.41 6248.08 33178.97 #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:00 that's excellent #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:02 do i get an email or snail mail for housing? email right? so then i just click it and go for BSB? Blazeix : 05/12/08 23:04 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:06 it looks like the zombies are being reaped by init #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:07 apparently sicklenl raped addiator for a while until his machine didn't work, and then junkersa took over #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:08 my connection to rhit-1x works perfectly in the lab, and nowhere else #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:08 that confuses me #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:12 can anyone tell me how to tell if a list contains an element in python? #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:12 (a certain element, that is) ferrela1 : 05/12/08 23:12 >< NICK : ferrelaj #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:13 in #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:15 oh. Cuz that's not obvious #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:15 Morasique: thanks kleinjt : 05/12/08 23:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 23:17 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:17 addiator is fixed Morasique : 05/12/08 23:19 >< PART #rhlug : "JFK csystems INS BRLO supercomputer" #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:32 somebody remind me to go to the sga meeting tomorrow quark : 05/12/08 23:36 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection quark : 05/12/08 23:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/12/08 23:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/12/08 23:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : kleinjt : 05/12/08 23:38 >< QUIT : "Leaving" jboticsource : 05/12/08 23:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:52 just got my letter #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:52 it says wait for another letter #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:53 gawd! pitybot : 05/12/08 23:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:54 ACTION hugs rrmm pitybot : 05/12/08 23:54 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:54 Morasique~ wtg #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:54 n=mrozekma@137.112.138.134 n=mrozekma@137.112.138.134 #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:54 they match Mishtal : 05/12/08 23:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/12/08 23:54 no kidding kleinjt : 05/13/08 00:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 00:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : jboticsource : 05/13/08 00:23 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Blazeix : 05/13/08 00:45 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 00:45 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/13/08 01:02 auchter: ever heard of Transcending Bizarre? Morasique : 05/13/08 01:03 >< PART #rhlug : "CBNRC warfare MP5K-SD Abbas dictionary" Morasique : 05/13/08 01:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 01:03 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/13/08 01:15 octavious: not until just now... sounds like something i might like jboticsource : 05/13/08 01:22 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishta1 : 05/13/08 01:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishta1 : 05/13/08 01:47 >< PART #rhlug : Mishtal : 05/13/08 01:48 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/13/08 01:54 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/13/08 02:00 http://www.theserverside.com/tt/knowledgecenter/knowledgecenter.tss?l=MetalMeetsJVM jboticsource : 05/13/08 02:02 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/13/08 02:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 02:09 jboticsource: How's the paper coming? rr72 : 05/13/08 02:09 >< JOIN : #rhlug rrmm : 05/13/08 02:11 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421 : 05/13/08 02:12 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc : 05/13/08 02:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/13/08 02:33 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost : 05/13/08 02:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 02:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : kleinjt : 05/13/08 02:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 02:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : collinjc : 05/13/08 02:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/13/08 02:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 02:55 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : jboticsourc1 : 05/13/08 02:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/13/08 03:16 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) kleinjt : 05/13/08 03:17 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource : 05/13/08 03:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/13/08 03:35 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:45 "... Great tips—I’d use these if I wasn’t still scarred from the time vim encrypted my file instead of saving it because I had caps lock on by mistake." --Simon Willison #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:50 heh, you learn new things about vim every day... i didn't know it could encrypt #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:51 jboticsource: paper? #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:51 on its way #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:51 it should be done in teh early morning #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:51 alright, are you typing it in word or somethign? #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:51 yes #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 hm... you're planning on copying it the the wiki, right? #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 yes #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 alright #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 word has an awesome export to html feature, you should break that out #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 ok #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 ... #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 ACTION smacks Morasique on the head #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:52 words exported HTML can be used to scare small children #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:53 i thought that was powerpc's memory organization #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:54 s/organization/management/ #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:54 jboticsource: Word's export-to-"HTML" feature is why the UGVC rules page looks so crappy. #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:55 i keep telling myself not to be sarcastic on here. but then i do it anyway #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:56 i think it's involuntary #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:56 Yeah, like we'd believe that #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:56 it's possible i was being sarcastic. i'm not sure #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:56 Let's put it to the test: Plan9. #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:56 YAY! #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:57 Alive and well. #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:57 Yeah, he's in control. #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:58 also, for bunches of fun, go to igvc.org and switch off the css #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:58 (:invum for vimperator users) #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:58 erm, :set invum #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:59 I had to Greasemonkey the page to set all of the text to black... otherwise random patches would try to take on Firefox's default color, white, and be unreadable. #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:59 my god, igvc.org is an impressive fail. #rhlug : 05/13/08 03:59 But hey, the have an favicon! #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:00 is it animated? your site isn't cool until your favicon is animated #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:01 my favicon.ico is a ~4MB file of data from urandom #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:01 Just to punish IE users? #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:02 i've heard no complaints. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:02 You're just hoping to trigger an IE crashing bug, aren't you. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:02 favicons are stupid and have no business filling my logs #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:03 i enjoy the one line IE crashes, i should stumble send all of them #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:03 Yeah, they are annoying that way. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:03 I just add a line to my .htaccess. Problem solved. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:03 auchter: you should symlink urandom to favicon.ico jboticsource : 05/13/08 04:04 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:04 brilliant, and done. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:06 doesn't seem to (a|e)ffect IE #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:06 a #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:06 b! #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:06 c #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 I get a 404 at phire.org/favicon.ico #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 aww #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 tommost: fail #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 freya.phire.org #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 phire.org's my apartment, i care about my bandwidth #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 That explains why it loads so slowly. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:07 But nothing's loading from freya. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:08 ah, i probably have follow symlinks off... #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:08 nub #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:09 well, i need to get back to work #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:09 Same here. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:09 Hi zaszamonde #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:09 Blazeix: you are on drugs #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:09 That won't make sense to anyone not in this room #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:09 as in physical room #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:10 explain yourselves #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:10 Every time Morasique or I reference the IRC conversation, zaszamonde reads the irc logs #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:10 Blazeix sees ghosts on irc #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:10 ...there's no cure #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:11 Also, its hard to type zaszamonde when I can't use tab autocompletion #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:18 d #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:18 i think there was a timeout in there somewhere #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:18 SYN #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:18 tommost: good recovery #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:19 PONG. now you're confused povilusr_desktop : 05/13/08 04:19 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" povilusr_kaaba : 05/13/08 04:21 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/13/08 04:27 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:47 also, SGA meeting tomorrow at 5:30 (i think, i haven't heard anything from jordan recently) #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:47 last time we had three people, which is probably the max we need #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:48 I, unfortunately, will not be able to go. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:48 I imagine tommost won't be able to go either, since he and I both have to be at the same meeting. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:48 yeah, it's not really a big deal #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:48 we should probably have someone go though. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:48 SGA might not like it if we set them up. #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:48 well, i'll definitely be going #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:53 i can't go. i assume andy753421 will be there tommost : 05/13/08 04:57 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:57 i'll be there, although, someone might have to remind me tommost_aorist : 05/13/08 04:58 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection tommost_aorist : 05/13/08 04:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:58 ok, will do #rhlug : 05/13/08 04:59 TBoneULS: since you did such an excellent job speaking in front of SGA last time, you should probably go as well andy753421 : 05/13/08 05:52 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/13/08 06:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 06:03 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : jboticsource : 05/13/08 07:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 08:06 auchter: the 180 Amp circuit breaker is out of stock, can we use a 150 amp or 200 amp instead? #rhlug : 05/13/08 08:18 can someone link me to the place on the site where we need 2 upload the reports? collinjc : 05/13/08 09:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/13/08 09:30 >< QUIT : Client Quit collinjc : 05/13/08 10:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:11 http://www.theserverside.com/tt/knowledgecenter/knowledgecenter.tss?l=MetalMeetsJVM #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:11 any thoughts on the first answer? #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:23 If Java is so much faster now, I would hate to have seen it prior to 1998. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:28 lol, indeed. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:29 I was particularly interested in "pretty much as a direct result of that, Java became fast enough that the question of why you should use Java or C for speed, disappeared" #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:29 Exactly. I often find myself torn between the two when performance is an issue. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:30 I know that I often can't decide. Sometimes I wish that C had the raw power that I seem to get from java. ;-) #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:30 Hahahaha! #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:31 collinjc: You're working on Cyan this summer correct? #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:32 Yes, I am. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:32 ok. Just trying to connect faces with names, and digital personas #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:32 :-D #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:32 Which project are you working on? #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:33 Umm, I think Treck #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:33 though I have been known to work on just about every project in that room, (and some that aren't) except handshake #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:33 lol. Most officially I'm the team-lead for treck though #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:33 Haha! Awesome. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:34 ya. I kinda worked on Cyan for like, 2 weeks (Sandor and I did the initial working prototype of the LCD display they've become so fond of ;-)) #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:34 I also am (for the moment) the only person working on Cummins (and the only person who knows wth is going on for that anyway) #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:35 Cool! Yeah, I have never heard any of the details of that project other than the client is Cummins. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:36 As a result, I am convinced that it is dealing with nuclear warfare. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:36 Indeed it may be #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:36 not even Sandor really has any idea what's happening behind the UI #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:36 lol. Except me #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:37 Wow. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:37 Who wants to understand VBA anyway? #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:37 Hahaha! #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:38 I'm not kidding. I did a project for Brian (Sandor's boss) last summer in VBA (an Excel Macro) now anytime a client mentions either VBA or excel, my name comes up. This is not an association I appreciate #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:39 I haven't even done as much as looked at VBA since my freshman year of high school. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:39 I was happy to have passed over that portion of life in general. Until I got recruited #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:41 Indeed. I can only hope that I will never be recruited to program nuclear weapons for an engine company in VBA. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:41 lol. If so, don #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:41 't put it on your resume ;-) #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:41 He's trying to hire a physics Major with no VBA experience to do it over the summer... #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:42 and I'll be "consulting" ... however that works #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:42 Hmmm... Interesting. Sounds more like you may end up teaching VBA to a physics major. Which I'm sure would be a boatload of fun. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:44 haha. Indeed. I'll be sure to point him your way tho, so you can relive your highschool memories ;-) #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:45 Oooh, awesome. I can't wait to tell him about exciting things such as creating random number generators, ASCII code grabbers, and craptacular games. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:45 haha, ya #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:46 apparently you can do 3d rendering in Excel #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:46 I told Sandor I drew the line waaaay before that #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:46 Wow. That's just wrong. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:46 That was my thought exactly #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:47 people in my apt. building are leaving for work. I haven't gone to bed yet. This depresses me. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:49 Ahh, Rose life. #rhlug : 05/13/08 10:49 yaaaa.... sucks collinjc : 05/13/08 11:39 >< QUIT : "Leaving." collinjc : 05/13/08 12:57 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/13/08 13:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:09 So, not only did they reinstate bandwidth quotas but IAIT felt the need to spam us about it, too. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:09 I'm tempted to submit a ticket saying that they are sending duplicate emails. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:10 Do it. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:12 Don #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:12 't forget to include the phrase "wasted bandwidth". ;) #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:12 Hahaha! I will definitely include that. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:14 Does the bandwidth quota apply during the summer? Because if it does, I hate pretty much everyone on campus now. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:15 I really hope not. I was looking forward to being on campus this summer with no cap. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:15 "An exact replica of an all campus email concerning bandwidth limits was reproduced and sent again to the entire campus. This is deteriorating from my newly reinstated 3GB and 5GB limits." #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:16 Better "This is an unnecessary tax on Rose's already straining information technology infrastructure." (second sentence). #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:17 Haha! Too late, sadly. I already sent it. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:18 I look forward to a meaningful response from them. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:18 "Thank you for showing so much faith in the ability of Microsoft Exchange to reliably transmit your e-mail. I will be sure to display the same faith myself, particularly when large attachments are involved." #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:19 Hahahahaha! #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:23 "My apologies.  I sent the first email out in my  name in error.  I will not dignify the remainder of your email with a response." #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:23 ACTION applauds collinjc #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:24 Hilarious. kleinjt : 05/13/08 13:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 13:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:27 the bandwidth usage charts are epic kleinjt : 05/13/08 13:27 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:29 WHOA! That's awesome. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:29 There is no way that is accurate. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:29 also, the freshmen get nice laptops. #rhlug : 05/13/08 13:30 4GB of RAM. Indeed they did. crr : 05/13/08 13:41 >< PART #rhlug : andy753421 : 05/13/08 13:47 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/13/08 14:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 14:00 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Morasique : 05/13/08 14:17 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) andy753421 : 05/13/08 14:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/13/08 14:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 14:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : andy753421 : 05/13/08 14:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 14:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:42 blazeix just noticed this: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/services/internet_connections/network_statistics/Internet_Link_Utilization_1Day.png #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:42 it's as if a thousand bittorrenting freshman cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced. i feel oddly happy right now #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:43 apparently they stopped collecting data for 4 hours or something #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:44 kleinjt drew my attention do it. #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:44 oh. i should read the logs more carefully #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:44 i wonder how many people are going to go over the bandwidth limit during the next day or two Blazeix : 05/13/08 14:44 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection collinjc : 05/13/08 14:45 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:45 i was too lazy to ever stop my bandwidth monitoring program from opening on startup, my laziness has paid off #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:49 http://137.112.138.172/email_bg.png #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:49 why would you choose that background? is she trying to confuse OCR or something? #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:49 it looks terrible on my LCD #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:51 also, incoming freshman having a hard drive twice the size of mine makes me sad inside Blazeix : 05/13/08 14:52 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 14:52 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:53 Blazeix: i need you to requisition freshman hard drives for my personal use #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:56 hey, they've got nvidias graphics cards, that should make installfests easier #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:56 and, oh man, V.92 modems! #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:57 wow, the video card is right there. i scanned the whole page looking for it and didn't see it anywhere #rhlug : 05/13/08 14:58 I'm sitting behind some IAIT people in class; they're talking about collinjc's email #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:00 i don't think you can actually say "i'm not dignifying your e-mail with a response", you have to actually not respond. somebody should let her know #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:04 i went to the network usage tool and had LDAPSearch saved as my username. I'm not sure how that happened #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:06 iait should probably add the link at http://www.rose-hulman.edu/TSC/tools/ #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:09 It doesn't say on the webpage, but I believe the freshman laptops will have XP on them, rather than Vista. #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:09 Blazeix: they will, iait mentioned it somewhere, maybe the kernel #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:09 I should probably read that. Mishtal : 05/13/08 15:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/13/08 15:11 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/13/08 15:12 i'm not sure what they're going to do when microsoft drops xp, i guess they'll change the images to vista before that and hope people need reimaging ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 15:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/13/08 15:39 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 16:01 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:21 http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1533212 #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:21 enjoy your upgrades #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:28 wow. that's brilliant #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:33 Oh, fuck. Morasique : 05/13/08 16:35 >< PART #rhlug : "New World Order PET codes AUTODIN Albanian" Morasique : 05/13/08 16:46 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 16:46 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:53 i added a debian repository to my sources list so i could update openssh and now lsb_release crashes #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:53 apparently lsb_release gets run a lot #rhlug : 05/13/08 16:54 my machine is unhappy #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:06 tommost_aorist: http://lug.phire.org/mw/index.php?title=User:Tomwm&curid=1345&diff=2563&oldid=2385 :D #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:10 tommost_aorist: this might be the firefox problem you've been having: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/05/howto-fix-firefox-and-epiphany-web.html #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:22 http://rafb.net/p/3btes831.html #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:22 http://rafb.net/p/3btes831.html #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:22 oh, so that's how you paste in putty... Morasique : 05/13/08 17:30 >< PART #rhlug : "New World Order NORAD NATO Abu Ghraib plutonium" andy753421 : 05/13/08 17:34 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/13/08 17:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/13/08 17:38 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 17:38 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : andy753421 : 05/13/08 17:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 17:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : kleinjt : 05/13/08 17:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 17:51 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:53 i am really upset they put the bandwidth caps back on #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 well, they needed to be back on from what I saw #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 octavious: the sga voted so as their constituents did not like the no cap #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 they just need to update them to reality #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 like 5/10 GB #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 for 24/72 #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 we need a bigger pipe #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:57 i'm thrilled they put them back on, the network was slowly dying #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:58 5/10 >> 3/5 without fucking the network #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:58 The other thing they didn't do is prioritize anything dorm side #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:58 they told me they let bittorrent have the same priority as http when I asked earlier today #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:59 yeah, they screwed the dorms hardcore, everytime i go to the lab it's like discovering high-speed internet for the first time #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:59 *yesterday #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:59 oh, i see what you mean. most people probably use encrypted bittorrent anyway #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:59 well, you can even tell enc. bittorrent, to be honest #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:59 the traffic pattern is very unique #rhlug : 05/13/08 17:59 not hard to tell #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:00 oh, i didn't know that. they really should've done that then, bittorrent single-handedly destroyed our attempt at no caps #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:00 ACTION nodndos #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:00 ACTION nodnods #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:00 It was a stunt by IAIT management as far as I can tell #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:00 to get everyone to think they caps were a good thing #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:00 *the #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:01 not me. i enjoyed my freedom #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:01 but then I am not a gamer #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:01 and 99% of Rose games online and constantly complained.. #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:01 well, no caps can work #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:01 they just need to set priorities #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:02 gaming was the worst, but just normal network traffic was pretty bad too, everytime i need to download something it takes forever #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:02 They intentionally did not, and everyone went scrambling back to them going "please set them again!" #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:02 i had to download tomcat yesterday for a meeting i had in maybe 15 minutes, it's like a 10mb file and it didn't finish in time #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:03 Morasique: I experienced similar issues with all traffic #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:03 Zeta_RHIT: it's possible they really are just that incompetent, but you're probably right #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:03 aparently they whiped the cap violation history... #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:03 intresting #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:03 nice #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:04 they started us off with the bandwidth we've actually used over the last three days though, i wish i'd known that before i downloaded a bunch of doctor who yesterday #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:04 I figured they'd do that #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:04 and that anyone running torrents at the time would be fuxxored #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:05 :D they should randomly turn caps on and off trying to catch people unaware #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:05 they should shut them off at night or something #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:07 Without the proper prioritizing, there'd be a similar issue #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:09 well, presumably at night there's less people getting screwed by the terrible network, although that's probably not true here #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:12 Basically, monkeys on acid admin better than IAIT... at least they can't type in the passwords to change things after you set it up properly and lock them in a room #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:12 if we just got a bigger pipe, there would be less of an issue #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:13 there is no reason for a school like this to have such crappy interwebs #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:13 jboticsource: no kidding, but they won't do it #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:13 this is an alternative solution that would be easy for them to implement at no additional cost #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 true #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 i am going to lobby next year in sga for a bigger pipe #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 do it.. #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 I think we need to lobby rose to fix IAIT #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 that's the cause of all the issues #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 are they? #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:14 even the current pipe would be okay with competent management #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:15 well, i was talking to some people and they said that IAIT changed during the midgley era #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:16 apparently years ago they used to have open meetings where any student could come and voice there opinion #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:16 and i think midgley was trying to do some administrative reorganization of IAIT #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:17 and i dont know exactly what happened, but they got pissed, and now dont seem connected to campus life at ALL #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:18 if anything should be connected with us, it is the department that lets us communicate with the rest of the world jboticsource : 05/13/08 18:18 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) kleinjt : 05/13/08 18:19 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:20 I've talked to hayes about the vpn issue, for example #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:20 did hayes do anything? #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:20 He said one of the VP of rose is in charge #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:21 of IAIt #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:21 we have to go to him to get change/file complaints #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:21 I think if we did it as a large group, we'd be inclined to get somewhere andy753421 : 05/13/08 18:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/13/08 18:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 18:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/13/08 18:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 18:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:32 is there a way to get thunderbird to filter based on the body of an e-mail? i get why it doesn't have the option normally, but is there some way to make it do it anyway? jboticsource : 05/13/08 18:32 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/13/08 18:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/13/08 18:35 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:38 Morasique: you could have maildrop write headers based on the contents of the body :P #rhlug : 05/13/08 18:38 (that's actually a fairly common way to do things, for example, that's how spamassassin works) kleinjt : 05/13/08 18:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 18:42 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : crr : 05/13/08 18:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 18:44 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : andy753421 : 05/13/08 18:55 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/13/08 19:10 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:10 I miss talk of The Hoove. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:10 It's far too quiet in here. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:11 ACTION shudders... #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:11 I miss nothing about hoover and never will #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:11 I'm just glad I got my registration pin two quarters in a row w/o seeing him #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:12 email ftw #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:12 As I'll never have to take a class from him, I found the frustrations of people in his class amusing. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:14 Morasique: That particular change was made with a mind toward potential employers. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:14 what? #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:14 ACTION is reading the log #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:14 are you talking about thunderbird? #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:15 ACTION is talking about his LUG wiki page. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:15 oh, i see ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 19:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/13/08 19:21 >< PART #rhlug : "Etacs COSCO red noise Vince Foster IRA" Morasique : 05/13/08 19:29 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 19:29 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:36 Morasique: Things have improved somewhat since I installed FlashBlock. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:37 i suppose that would fix the problem too :). i like flash though #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:37 I only occasionally actually need it—mainly it's annoying or at least unnecessary. jboticsource : 05/13/08 19:40 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Mishtal : 05/13/08 19:40 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/13/08 19:42 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:47 Well, I just spent half an hour regenerating all of my ssh keys. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:47 That was fun. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:47 i thought the update did it automatically #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:47 it looked like it did #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:48 It regenerates the server keys but it doesn't touch the user ones, at least for me. #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:48 ah. i haven't looked at it Morasique : 05/13/08 19:48 >< PART #rhlug : "data haven Vince Foster broadside Etacs Fortezza" #rhlug : 05/13/08 19:48 Plus you still have to remove all of the references to old keys from authorized_hosts. jboticsource : 05/13/08 19:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/13/08 19:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 19:56 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 20:05 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Morasique : 05/13/08 20:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 20:08 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/13/08 20:08 my network connection is worse than ever, i don't know what iait is doing #rhlug : 05/13/08 20:08 i'm getting half second pings to google #rhlug : 05/13/08 20:08 ooo, they've leveled out around 300ms. awesome #rhlug : 05/13/08 20:12 God this is annoying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675 #rhlug : 05/13/08 20:12 It's still open since the last time I set up this server's SSL. povilusr_kaaba : 05/13/08 20:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 20:19 ACTION is enjoying the 9700/1155 kb/s line he has all to himself ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 20:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/13/08 20:47 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 20:47 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:02 andy753421: SGA meeting in a half an hour jboticsource : 05/13/08 21:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:09 ok andy753421 : 05/13/08 21:23 >< QUIT : "Leaving." ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 21:24 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/13/08 21:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:31 all right, lets get this club approved andy753421 : 05/13/08 21:31 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 21:31 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:37 auchter~ what isp? #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:39 andy753421: Where are you? #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 Are you at the SGA meeting? #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 tommost: sitting in the back of the sga meeting #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 auchter is #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 and andy is #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 Okay. #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 i am looking at them #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:40 Blazeix and I were worried for a moment when you logged in. #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:41 Tell me when we get monies. #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:41 tommost: probably not today #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:41 You spoil my fun. #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:47 SGA is now discussion the discussion on a vote... #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:47 *discussing the discussion #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:48 now they're voting to end discussion #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:48 now they're *actually* voting #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:57 we are speakign #rhlug : 05/13/08 21:58 Goodie. kleinjt : 05/13/08 22:00 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:01 gentleman, we are now a club #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:01 Excellent. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:01 sweet! andy753421 : 05/13/08 22:01 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:01 What's next on the getting monies front. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:02 we get a small sum to play with #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:02 Promotional money? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:02 yea, somthing like that collinjc : 05/13/08 22:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/13/08 22:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 22:15 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:16 SGA's only complain was that "Linux Users Group" was too specific kleinjt : 05/13/08 22:16 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 22:16 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:16 s/in/int/ #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:17 How so? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:17 what? how can it be too specific? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:17 Did you talk about Plan9? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:17 no, though i did consider it... #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:18 Did you mention the deceased MIG? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:18 i almost compared the guy who brought that up to rms, but i don't think anyone would have understood it.. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:18 we could say that we are a lobbyist group to reform CS education or something jboticsourc1 : 05/13/08 22:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:20 the bureaucracy of SGA is amusing #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:20 lol yes it is #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:20 when we were up there, it was obvious that no one knew what state they were in #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:21 yea, they started recurring, and then lost track of where they were supposed to return to #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:22 i couldn't help but laugh #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:22 Control yourself. We want monies. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:23 i was laughing, and the vote was unanimous #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:23 yea, we win, most of the other people were laughing too jboticsource : 05/13/08 22:24 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 jboticsource: Why didn't you run for class president? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 Damn it. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 fail #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 i was going 2 #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 how is linux users group too specific but macintosh interest group isn't? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 i will run for junior year #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:24 after i have some patents #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 Morasique: yeah, their name should have been "iLifestyle Group" #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 under my belt #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 I saw the candidate list and was quite disappointed. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 yes #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 or better, "iGroup" #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 i have lost faith in the freshman class #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:25 so i will wait until they are slightly non-retarded #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 Well, you need to run for some sort of position. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 The robotics team needs a puppet on SGA. ;) #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 next year? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 lol i am a senator for theta xi next year #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 so i will remain hooked in and able to pull for us #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 Okay, that's good. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:27 but u dont know that #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:28 ;) #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:28 isn't povilusr runing? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:28 luglog does ;-) #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:28 luglog needs selective memory #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:28 hehe we need to elect luglog to SGA #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:28 it would be smarter #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:29 markbot is the superior candidate, it could speak at the meetings #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:29 at least it could keep track of itself #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:29 i don't even want to think about coding that logic #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 I'd vote for window-pixie. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 the internet is definitely still as bad as it was, either iait is sabotaging something or a lot of freshman are going to be going over their limits very soon #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 i hear that is the case with them #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 Why do you always blame the freshman? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 Its usually their fault #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 he is mad because our laptops are faster #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:30 cuz they are retarded #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 and thus, we can aggregate content more effectively #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 We live in BSB with a bunch of freshman, and sometimes they venture down into our cave. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 jboticsourc1: Stop saying these things. We want to keep your record clean. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 because i live in a building full of freshman and know exactly how unintelligent they are #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 [---------------------------------------------------------------] #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 approximately that much #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 I live in a building full of freshman too. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 i have not seen such an unorganized and disabled group of people in a long time #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:31 yes, but you're blinded by being one of them #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 It's true. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 albeit a not stupid one #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 have u guys seen my resume? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 I do condemn many of those around me, though. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 jboticsourc1: It's very long. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 jboticsourc1: Far too long. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~KINZIEJH/Jay_Kinzie_Resume_web.pdf #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 for those in question #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:32 i also transfered about 25 credits in #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:33 to start with #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:33 Pssstt... Jay likes Legos. A lot. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:33 this is a fact #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:33 Jay, why are you bringing this up? Are you trying to separate you from the rest of us freshman neanderthals? #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:34 yep #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:34 ah. i was wondering what prompted this #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:35 i hate them so much #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:35 Do you have any experience with planting trees and shrubs in cold climates? This is my main campaign issue. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:35 That, and I would like free shirts. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:35 Yes. Free shirts are important. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:35 i do not have that type of experience #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:36 No shirts, no votes. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:36 ok #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:36 i will provide shirts lol #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:36 No shirt, definitely no votes. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:37 You need a design, too. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:37 i can use my company shirts lol #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:37 I think that we technically had shirts this year, but I don't have any idea what the design was. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:37 they cost money to, iirc collinjc : 05/13/08 22:37 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:38 Because what's-her-name fails at sending e-mails where the picture is the picture you actually care about, instead of all the text as an image. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:38 cheyanne arrowsling #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:38 Also, I require that any candidate that I support sends all e-mails GPG signed. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:38 lol #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:41 Psst... we should impersonate Arrowsling and send out ridiculous e-mails to prove this point. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:41 LUG project! #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:44 kleinjt: you need to campaign on free pants, free shirts are far to mainstream #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:44 free bras #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:45 andy753421: I've thought about it, but pant sizes may be more variable. A free pants club may work better. #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:45 free tatoos #rhlug : 05/13/08 22:46 or socks kleinjt : 05/13/08 22:46 >< PART #rhlug : ferrelaj_laptop : 05/13/08 23:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:24 does anyone know a latex command to do
style lists? #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:27 hmm.. '\being{description} \item[foo] \ \\' seems to work kleinjt : 05/13/08 23:39 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/13/08 23:39 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:40 do we have a robotics meeting this week? I'm happy either way #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:40 Yes, we do. #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:40 I'll send out an e-mail. #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:40 mmmkay, cause I fried everything the electrical team has to work on #rhlug : 05/13/08 23:40 great kleinjt : 05/13/08 23:41 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsourc1 : 05/13/08 23:48 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) andy753421 : 05/13/08 23:57 >< QUIT : "Leaving." tommost : 05/14/08 00:12 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/14/08 00:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 00:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 00:16 >< QUIT : "Leaving." andy753421 : 05/14/08 00:21 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 00:21 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : Blazeix : 05/14/08 01:10 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 01:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/14/08 01:34 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 01:34 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : kleinjt : 05/14/08 01:34 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/14/08 01:52 check out the references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiblast #rhlug : 05/14/08 01:52 high class. ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 01:53 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 01:54 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753422 : 05/14/08 01:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/14/08 01:56 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/14/08 01:58 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Blazeix : 05/14/08 02:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 02:04 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Mishtal : 05/14/08 02:19 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/14/08 02:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 02:20 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : jboticsource : 05/14/08 02:20 >< JOIN : #rhlug Mishtal : 05/14/08 02:20 >< PART #rhlug : #rhlug : 05/14/08 02:35 andy753422: http://biosun1.harvard.edu/~paciorek/computingTips/How_do_I_place_figures.html #rhlug : 05/14/08 02:39 ah, ok, i think the one i was thinking of was subfigure #rhlug : 05/14/08 02:41 Slashdot tells me that my former ISP is now going to start inserting ads into web pages. All of my hatred for that company is doubly justified now. #rhlug : 05/14/08 02:42 i think i like minipage's formatting better, although i'm confused how it labels the two figures seperately.. kleinjt : 05/14/08 02:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 02:53 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Mishtal : 05/14/08 03:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommost : 05/14/08 03:36 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/14/08 03:50 >< QUIT : "Leaving" povilusr_desktop : 05/14/08 03:52 >< QUIT : "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" #rhlug : 05/14/08 03:58 robotics paper so far: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/ #rhlug : 05/14/08 03:58 er.. http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/2008-igvc-rhit.pdf #rhlug : 05/14/08 03:59 I still need to write integration stuff :( but then i think it's done #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:00 You should definitely remove the link under the wheels. #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:00 ok, done #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:01 Figure 7 is not a "diagram of the basic event loop" jboticsourc1 : 05/14/08 04:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:01 It's a "Diagram of Controller and Component initialization". #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:02 jboticsourc1: http://andy753421.ath.cx/temp/2008-igvc-rhit.pdf #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:02 Read and provide corrections. #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:02 i'm going to head back to my room before it starts raining [more if it is already..] #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:03 i'll read the log for corrections when i get back andy753422 : 05/14/08 04:03 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:03 We need a paragraph of explanation after the one on the init system that sums up the software architecture. Modularity and all that. collinjc : 05/14/08 04:03 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/14/08 04:04 >< QUIT : Client Quit #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:04 We need a "miscellaneous" category under hardware costs... just stuff, like $50 in there. #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:05 Also, electronics has *definitely* spent more money than that. #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:05 What about their circuit boards and components? #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:05 auchter: Get on it. jboticsourc4 : 05/14/08 04:06 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/14/08 04:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/14/08 04:11 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/14/08 04:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 04:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : jboticsourc5 : 05/14/08 04:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc6 : 05/14/08 04:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 04:17 tommost_aorist: yea, i took out the microstrain, because I don't think anyone knows how much that costs, also we should add the computer jboticsourc1 : 05/14/08 04:20 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsourc4 : 05/14/08 04:28 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/14/08 04:33 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsourc5 : 05/14/08 04:39 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 we need lug shirts #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 or lug suits #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 lug jogging suits #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 i second that #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 third #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 now that we are a club #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 we have 150 buck for club promotion #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 oh? sga finally decided to make a decision? #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 .. 150? #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 meh, better than nothing #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 shirts would fit in that catagory #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 sga made that decision today #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 i have a suggestion! we can spam all-campus with lug adverts! #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:57 actually #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:58 :-D #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:58 always a solid plan #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:58 does anyone have a design idea in mind for what lug shirts would look like? #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 prob a penguin somwhere #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 i just want a jogging suit #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 silver preferably #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 can i get a 'seconded'?? #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 robes #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 shiny sliver? or regular silver? #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 id prefer not to blind people #rhlug : 05/14/08 05:59 cloaks #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:00 robes? cloaks? #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:00 second! #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:00 bbl #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:00 i do enjoy the cloak/robe idea #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:01 i will wear a cloak/robe if given the chance. i would buy it myself if it came down to it jboticsourc6 : 05/14/08 06:18 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:18 We can just borrow the dorm shirts of one of the triplets. #rhlug : 05/14/08 06:18 I forget which one, but one of them had tux on the back. TBoneULS : 05/14/08 07:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jboticsource : 05/14/08 08:00 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/14/08 08:01 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/14/08 08:19 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:20 [robotics] new version of paper is up with stuff about software algorithms and integration #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:20 sweet #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:20 i plan an e-mailing/mailing/whatever it tomorrow around noon (or when I get up) #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:20 ok #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:20 auchter: we still need more info on electronics prices #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:21 oh, i forgot to put in the $50 misc hardware too #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:21 jboticsourc1: do you still have all the purchases for SGA? if so, we can probably copy a lot of info off of that #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:22 yea i got em #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:22 they are on my desk #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:22 i was going 2 take them to our advisor 2marrow for approval #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:25 alright ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 08:37 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 08:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 08:44 night jboticsourc1 : 05/14/08 08:45 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) povilusr_kaaba : 05/14/08 09:42 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) collinjc : 05/14/08 11:56 >< JOIN : #rhlug collinjc : 05/14/08 11:59 >< QUIT : Client Quit collinjc : 05/14/08 12:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/14/08 12:14 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 12:14 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : ferrelaj_work : 05/14/08 12:17 >< JOIN : #rhlug TBoneULS : 05/14/08 12:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 12:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o TBoneULS : collinjc : 05/14/08 12:57 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection kleinjt : 05/14/08 13:07 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) crr : 05/14/08 13:13 >< PART #rhlug : povilusr_desktop : 05/14/08 13:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 13:41 andy753421: how specific should the prices be? #rhlug : 05/14/08 13:41 would it be fine to just treat, for example, the motor controllers as one unit rather than delving into the individual components? #rhlug : 05/14/08 14:05 auchter: yea, that's fine Morasique : 05/14/08 14:58 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection jboticsource : 05/14/08 15:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsourc1 : 05/14/08 15:44 >< JOIN : #rhlug Morasique : 05/14/08 15:58 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 15:58 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : jboticsource : 05/14/08 15:59 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Blazeix : 05/14/08 16:00 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection crr : 05/14/08 16:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 16:05 >< MODE #rhlug +o crr : cgiirc635 : 05/14/08 16:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 16:36 Is the 8.04 ubuntu cd available for download somewhere on the rose campus? #rhlug : 05/14/08 16:55 cgiirc635: i'm not positive, but i don't think it is ferrelaj_work : 05/14/08 17:11 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tommost : 05/14/08 17:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 17:27 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : jboticsourc1 : 05/14/08 17:34 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 17:50 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 17:51 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/14/08 18:04 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/14/08 18:18 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 18:18 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : povilusr_kaaba : 05/14/08 18:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug kleinjt : 05/14/08 18:33 >< QUIT : "Leaving" ferrelaj : 05/14/08 18:35 >< QUIT : "Leaving." ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 18:35 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/14/08 18:36 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 18:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug jboticsource : 05/14/08 18:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug tommos1 : 05/14/08 18:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ferrelaj : 05/14/08 18:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_desktop : 05/14/08 18:43 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tommost : 05/14/08 18:46 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) cgiirc635 : 05/14/08 18:55 >< QUIT : "CGI:IRC (EOF)" ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 19:02 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 19:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/14/08 19:07 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 19:07 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : jboticsource : 05/14/08 19:31 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jboticsource : 05/14/08 20:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug Blazeix : 05/14/08 20:04 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:51 Has the paper been sent yet? #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:52 tommos1: i'm doing that right now #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:52 And do we have someone going with us? #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:53 ? #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:53 A professor. #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:53 See my e-mail. #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:53 ah, i don't know #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:53 i don't think we've identified anyone yet :/ #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:54 are we required to have someone go with us? #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:54 Yes. #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:54 why? #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:54 Liability? #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:54 the climbing club goes on trips all the time without a faculty member #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:55 IIRC it's required by the competition. #rhlug : 05/14/08 20:55 ah, ok Morasique : 05/14/08 21:00 >< QUIT : "leaving" collinjc : 05/14/08 21:02 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:02 er, crap, we need to get a signed statement by Padget for this #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:03 Um, yes. Blazeix : 05/14/08 21:05 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 21:05 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:10 also, i don't have any CD's, can someone burn a copy of the paper for me? #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:10 I can. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:12 Is the PDF in svn up to date? #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:14 No, it's definitely not. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:15 It doesn't build for me, either. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:16 I don't have the font. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:22 tommos1: it's as up-to-date as i have #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:23 and I don't think we used any special fonts, so I don't know what's going wrong #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:23 It's supposed to have a title page. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:23 we're using a couple strange packages though, #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:23 For the advisor's signature and stuff. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:23 hm.. i printed off the adviser signature page separately #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:28 hm.. I'll change the title to be a 'title page' and put the signature on that #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:28 should I include a table of contents? #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:29 Nah. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:29 It's not really long enough for that. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:29 Though you could check to see if other teams did. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:29 some of them did, some didn't #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:29 i didn't look at them all, but i think the majority didn't #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:29 Well, then don't bother. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:30 I have to go to dinner now. #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:30 alright #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:30 I'll be back in ~20 mins. Morasique : 05/14/08 21:33 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 21:33 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : Morasique : 05/14/08 21:35 >< PART #rhlug : "Commecen monarchist Hugo Chavez interception mailbomb" kleinjt : 05/14/08 21:38 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 21:38 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : Morasique : 05/14/08 21:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 21:50 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : #rhlug : 05/14/08 21:54 Back. ferrelaj_laptop : 05/14/08 22:03 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:05 tommos1: ok, take another look a the paper, i made a few changes and make a full page title with a signature spot #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:07 I suggest that you change "Chassis as of April 2008" to "Early chassis, showing the basic structure of the robot" povilusr : 05/14/08 22:08 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:09 ok, done #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:09 Change "The init system runs the controller (1) which requests that any number of controllers be started (2)." to "The init system runs the Controller (1) which requests that any number of Controllers be started (2)." #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:10 alright, i'm going to go take a shower, let me know if there's anything else needing changing #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:10 "Most of the algorithms needed for the competition are currently very simple and can will be optimized for better #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:10 performance during the coming year." #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:11 Remove the "can". #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:11 since i was supposed to get this stuff sent out today, i think i'll get up early tomorrow and have padgett sign it and then drop it off at the post office #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:11 Okay. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:11 "Lane following we will accomplished by..." #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:12 tommos1: do you want to just make these changes to svn, and then i'll recompile when you're done? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:12 Okay. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:12 ok, thanks #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:14 i just got back, what's the url of the repo? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:14 It's the administrative repository. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:14 You can find it on the web site. povilusr : 05/14/08 22:15 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection povilusr : 05/14/08 22:15 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:22 kleinjt: approximate cost of the kill switch? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:24 auchter: $80? How much is the relay we don't have? povilusr : 05/14/08 22:24 >< QUIT : "Leaving." Blazeix : 05/14/08 22:24 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:24 auchter: I think I'll just make it on protoboard the week after finals.. Morasique : 05/14/08 22:25 >< PART #rhlug : "Merlin arrangements SSL BRLO DRM" tommos1 : 05/14/08 22:26 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." tommost : 05/14/08 22:26 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 22:26 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:27 kleinjt: looking at relays on digikey, they're pretty cheap povilusr : 05/14/08 22:27 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:27 cost to team? $relay, I'm just using my own xbees, unless we get some on digikey #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:27 main options are PCB mount or chassis mount... i'm thinking chassis mount would be the better choice at this point #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:27 we're likely going to need to order from digikey again jboticsource : 05/14/08 22:29 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:29 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=255-1828-ND #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:31 kleinjt, auchter: Are we going to stay with the serial port motor controller protocol or are we going to switch back to I2C? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:31 looks ok, we might want to parallel them #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:31 tommost: over USB #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:32 kleinjt: parallel them how? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:32 auchter: I have no idea, but will 40A be enough for motor surges? nevermind #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:32 tommost, auchter: how are we doing USB? Unless I leave the microcontrollers on the development board, which I could do I suppose.. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:32 we're going to have a 40A circuit breaker on each motor #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:33 oh, i forgot about that... rs232 with a max232 is probably the best option in that case, right? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:33 auchter: that is what I was planning on #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:33 tommost: so, no usb, rs232 #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:33 Okay. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:33 tommost: they both look the same from your end anyway #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:34 do we have a big red button? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:34 I was working on the paper. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:34 kleinjt: I don't think so. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:34 It needs to be freaking huge. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:35 I'm done editing the paper. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:36 so digikey doesn't have any reasonable sized circuit breakers, so i think we'll be ordering from mouser instead #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:36 You two should add some stuff to the table at the end. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:36 tommost: i've started #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:37 how huge must the button be? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:38 Minimum 1 inch in diameter. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:38 tommost: ok, I'm checking mouser #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:38 We should use an "Easy" button. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:38 lets do it #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:39 what is the current capability of one? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:40 ... #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:40 ... #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:40 er.. sorry, could use use in-line with the motors? #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:41 how about we go the sane route and have the button be normally closed, in line with the relay coils... #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:41 auchter: I apologize for distracting kleinjt with shiny objects. Morasique : 05/14/08 22:43 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 22:43 >< MODE #rhlug +o Morasique : povilusr : 05/14/08 22:43 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:44 real estop buttons are expensive.. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:45 also, the seem to be standardized to 22mm... #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:47 tommost: i'm not going to be going to robotics tonight, i've got like two other projects due tomorrow and need to be working on those #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:48 Okay, I guess. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:48 We should have a meeting this weekend. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:48 On Saturday or something. #rhlug : 05/14/08 22:48 tommost: yea, that would be good, i should be a lot less busy after friday collinjc : 05/14/08 22:49 >< QUIT : "Leaving." povilusr_ : 05/14/08 22:50 >< JOIN : #rhlug andy753421 : 05/14/08 23:05 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/14/08 23:05 ah, plan9 and plan9port have a nice way of entering unicode and accented characters... #rhlug : 05/14/08 23:06 accented characters are similar to latex; to get a u with an umlaut, it's alt-"-u #rhlug : 05/14/08 23:06 to enter in unicode character, alt-X-<4 digit hex> #rhlug : 05/14/08 23:07 but what's super cool is that you don't have to hold down the alt key #rhlug : 05/14/08 23:08 you can bind a key to do the same thing i think in x Blazeix : 05/14/08 23:30 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 23:30 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : Blazeix : 05/14/08 23:38 >< QUIT : Remote closed the connection andy753421 : 05/14/08 23:53 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/14/08 23:53 >< MODE #rhlug +o andy753421 : tommost : 05/15/08 00:03 >< QUIT : Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Blazeix : 05/15/08 00:23 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/15/08 00:23 >< MODE #rhlug +o Blazeix : tommost : 05/15/08 00:37 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/15/08 00:37 >< MODE #rhlug +o tommost : #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:38 auchter: Did you ever figure out anything about reconnecting sshfs sessions? #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:41 tommost: no, i haven't. i don't really use sshfs that much, mostly just for mount dfs/afs occasionally #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:41 Okay. #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:41 I think that I'm going to write a shell script to automatically unmount stuff when I suspend (since that works now under Hardy). #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:42 suspending works beautifully for me, it's resuming that's an issue #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:42 after resuming, my machine works fine for around one minute, then it freezes #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:42 Odd. #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:43 I'm curious how they got it working in Hardy, myself. #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:43 i'm guessing tuxonice #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:43 I know that they changed a bunch of ACPI stuff around. #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:45 hm, i think i'll give suspending another try #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:53 tommost: if you end up doing that, could i have a copy of it perchance? #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:53 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430312 #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:53 I'm going to adapt that. #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:53 Though I'm not sure that I'll even need to, if the suspend code pulls down network interfaces. #rhlug : 05/15/08 00:56 auchter: that's bizarre, i have the opposite problem. my machine never shuts off when i suspend, but if i shut it off manually and turn it back on it resumes kleinjt : 05/15/08 01:01 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:07 there's a gnome panel applet that shows flames based on how much the processor is being used. in theory, drawing the flames should increase the process use, which should make bigger flames, which should increase the processor use more, until i'm using 100% processor all the time. i might download this and try it #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:09 I wish I were still running gnome-panel. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:09 i love gnome-panel #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:10 can you run it outside gnome? i would consider not using gnome if i could keep gnome-panel #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:10 I tried once under ratpoison and it didn't work too well. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:10 hmm #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:10 Of course, that's a tiling WM. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:10 I also wasn't sure what else I needed to run before it. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:11 I may have forgotten gnome-settings-daemon or something like that. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:11 ACTION starts gnome-panel #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:12 Well, it appears to run under awesome. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:12 Though awesome doesn't know not to put stuff under it. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:13 Now I can see what time it is... #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:14 i'm pretty sure i've used gnome-panel without gnome in the past with no problem #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:14 i just tried it in a plain X session, it looks like it works perfectly #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:14 that's cool #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:14 Without gnome-settings-daemon? #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:15 well, i imagine the daemon is running in the background since i have gnome open on this screen, it might not work right if i closed this x session #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:19 i've installed like 7 updates to openssh in the last 3 days, apparently they're trying to look busy #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:21 Yeah, same here. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:21 ACTION is glad he doesn't use debian or ubuntu #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:22 ACTION desperately hopes someone gets fired over this mess #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:23 i'm pretty sure the person who patched it is a volunteer... #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:23 however, this guarantees that i will never use a debian-derived distribution kleinjt : 05/15/08 01:36 >< JOIN : #rhlug ChanServ : 05/15/08 01:36 >< MODE #rhlug +o kleinjt : #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:44 auchter: I can't say that I really blame you. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:45 My pissed-off-ness knows no bounds. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:45 are we meeting tomorrow? #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:45 Yes. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:46 oh. somehow i got the idea we weren't #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:46 I'm presenting briefly on Xdmx. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:46 Bring your laptops. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:48 Are we going to tie all the laptops in the room into one giant display then watch rick roll on it? 'cause that would be awesome. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:48 we could even have two presentations tomorrow, as tom root offered to give one on J #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:49 kleinjt: Damn your precognitive abilities. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:49 Oh, well. Meatspin it is. collinjc : 05/15/08 01:55 >< JOIN : #rhlug #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:56 collinjc: i just want to let you know that your car exhaust terrifies me #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:57 Me too. I wasn't the one responsible for putting it on. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:57 haha, i see #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:57 I went home and my little brother put it on at some point over the weekend as a joke. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:58 It looks absolutely ridiculous. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:58 So it is by no means staying. #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:58 i was going to suggest an extension #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:58 Hahaha! #rhlug : 05/15/08 01:59 why can't thunderbird remember to sort my folders the way i tell it to? that seems not difficult #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:00 Having it touching the bumper is certainly a bad idea to begin with with the amount of heat it generates. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:01 hence the need for a 6ft extension #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:03 Morasique: I'm practically to the point of giving up on Thunderbird for the second time. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:03 i like thunderbird a lot though, since i fixed the attachment thing this is really the only annoyance left #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:03 Well, while I'm at it, I might as well put a semi exhaust stack on it. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:04 Maybe another 6 feet for symmetry. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:05 going under bridges might become an issue at that point... #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:06 As well as obeying any laws that I truly hope prohibit stuff like that. povilusr_ : 05/15/08 02:06 >< QUIT : Read error: 113 (No route to host) #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:07 robotics people: I regenerated the SSH keys on red. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:37 Anyone know of a way to use Nautilus without the desktop? #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:38 Oh, nm. --no-desktop #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:39 damn. to think i was about to make fun of you, and you robbed me of the chance #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:39 Yeah, I asked because I thought that I had checked for a flag before. Apparently my memory fails. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:40 on a related note, i recommend krusader, i've never liked nautilus #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:40 I mainly want it because it provides a status bar for long transfers. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:41 And since Hardy it does that *quite* well. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:41 i keep meaning to try that #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:42 Are bash aliases expanded recursively? #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:42 i think so #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:42 zsh's are #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:42 I need to switch... #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:42 bash's are too #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:43 but yes, you do #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:43 What do I change to make zsh the default? #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:43 chsh #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:44 Why does it take so long to log on to addiator? #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:44 i don't know, i thought that was just me #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:45 Support ticket! #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:45 i've stopped bothering :) #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:47 0m7.034s for me to log into addiator #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:48 that's much faster than mine i think #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:48 real0m1.368s to log into my own box on camus... #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:48 not on camus, i doubt he'd appreciate that. campus, i meant #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:48 it took me 14s from login prompt to bash prompt on addiator #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:49 i'm averaging around 7 seconds each time #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:52 it takes 14 seconds from a box off campus too, i must have something in a startup script somewhere that takes forever #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:52 i thought i had them all disabled #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:53 All mine does is set some environment variables and aliases. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:53 i was having problems so i moved mine awhile agoi thought #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:55 Can I set zsh to be the default on addiator by putting exec zsh at the end of .cshrc? #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:55 yeah, i think that's what i had #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:55 andy has a newer version in /scratch i think #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:58 It complains about "Insecure directories and files" when I log in. #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:58 (zsh) #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:59 hmm. mine doesn't #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:59 oh, the new version does #rhlug : 05/15/08 02:59 hmm #rhlug : 05/15/08 03:01 compaudit lists the problem files, the issue is zsh is loading from a directory that spenceal can write to, so it's warning you that he could change stuff and alter your configuration #rhlug : 05/15/08 03:01 i'm not sure how to suppress the warning though #rhlug : 05/15/08 03:03 Is there a significant difference between the old and new versions? #rhlug : 05/15/08 03:04 i don't know, i've never used the older one #rhlug : 05/15/08 03:04 probably not anything that's going to affect you collinjc : 05/15/08 03:28 >< QUIT : "Leaving." jboticsource : 05/15/08 03:42 >< JOIN : #rhlug povilusr_kaaba : 05/15/08 04:06 >< QUIT : Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:19 LUG, entertain me. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:19 tommost: you need the gnome-panel fire applet. it keeps me entertained at all times #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:19 i think i'm going to go to sleep, unless of course something's interesting #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:20 tommost: You should replace awesome with compiz. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsB69rrAlM #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:20 jboticsource: i clicked it, heard horrible music, and immediately closed it #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:20 i was positive that was going to be a rick roll. i almost wish it had been #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:21 I clicked it an am now looking at a flash logo where the movie should be. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:21 Victory! #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:22 i'm currently playing with glade, which is pretty fantastic #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:22 I'm desperate for a version of Compiz with tiling. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:22 Are you planning on using code generation or the xml translation thing? #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:22 that was targeted at Morasique #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:22 tommost: me too, i do it manually with the put and maximumize plugins #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:22 Blazeix: I figured. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:23 Blazeix: i'm not doing anything specifically with it, just looking at it. it looks like gtk can process the glade files directly though, which is neat #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:23 Yeah, it's not the same once you've experienced true tiling. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:23 Plus WASTE is broken in anything but Compiz. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:23 er. that's bizarre #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:24 When you switch desktops the windows blank. And they refuse to unblank. Except in Compiz. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:24 hmm. have you tried minimizing them? #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:25 i've seen a bug like that, but it was in the nvidia drivers, i don't know why you'd have it #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:25 awesome doesn't have the concept, but I don't think that it's worked in the past. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:25 tommost: are you running WASTE in wine, or natively? #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:25 wine. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:25 It won't compile natively. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:25 tommost: then i had the exact same problem as you last year (when i used pekwm) #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:26 minimizing didn't fix it #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:26 this guy has a fix: #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:26 jboticsource: I am immune. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:26 FlashBlock FTW. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:27 If someone actually uploaded a technical fix like that to youtube, I might have to track them down and shoot them. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:27 repeatedly #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:27 youtube is a cesspool of fail #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:28 Yeah, they're ridiculously cheap with their encoding bitrates. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:28 What is this, 2001? #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:28 I want video that doesn't physically pain me when I watch it. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:28 i was more referring to the comments... kleinjt : 05/15/08 04:28 >< QUIT : "Leaving" #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:28 auchter: i ignore the comments. i employ a similar policy with digg #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:29 on a related note, does anyone else think rick astley looks like curt? i maintain that he does, but nobody else sees it #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:29 I don't visit either on on my own. This is the best policy. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:33 youtube is occasionally worth visiting #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:34 The only thing worth it there are videos of Compizy goodness. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:34 those videos are beyond stupid #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:34 Except that the video quality is so crappy that it isn't worth it. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:35 they show the same 10 plugins, all of which even i think are excessive #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:35 They are stupid. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:35 Yet somehow better than everything else on YouTube. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:35 Feel my derision. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:35 ACTION feels it #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:35 fun fact: aim supports actions. i did one by mistake a few days ago and it worked #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:36 I did one a while ago and the person on the other end was confused. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:36 sometimes i forget and use a regular expression to fix a misspelling, that tends to confuse people #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:37 it's the only sane way to correct misspellings #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:37 i usually do *replacement on aim #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:38 that doesn't make any sense to me #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:39 who knows what you're replacing? #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:39 well, generally it's the misspelled word that resembles the replacement text #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:40 Yeah, usually it's obvious enough. #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:40 if it's obvious, why even bother correcting it? #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:41 we correct things all the time on here that are obvious. most spelling mistakes are obvious, unless povilusr is involved #rhlug : 05/15/08 04:41 Yeah, it's more like a way of saying "oops." #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:05 some times words that you are replacing make grammatical sense where they are, and are spelled right. but unless you replace it the person will be like "wtf" for the rest of the discussion #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:15 this is why i hate dynamic code, it's impossible to read if you're not familiar with it #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:16 i have no idea what the type of anything is, and i don't even know what variables are defined until i find the assignment buried in the code somewhere #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:16 i blame tommost for this #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:16 I have no idea what you're talking about. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:16 you like python #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:17 so it's your fault #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:17 What is causing you so much pain? #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:17 reading through python code #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:17 What Python code? #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:17 specto #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:18 http://specto.sourceforge.net/ #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:18 The Internet is being slow. I blame IAIT. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:19 I apologize to all the torrenters that I bad-mouthed. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:19 they're too busy torrenting to care #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:21 Apparently it's written by someone new to Python—that may explain some of your pain. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:22 the main issue is undeclared variables, i like being able to see what variables are declared in a class #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:22 They should all be initialized in __init__... #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:22 And if they were worried about memory use they'll be in __slots__. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:22 python doesn't require that though, which is why this programmer felt free to not #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:23 Well, no, it isn't required. So what? #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:23 It's no worse than inheriting from another class and manipulating its instance variables. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:23 of course it is, i can look at that class to see the declared variables #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:23 And you can look at all of the class's methods and see all of the declared variables too. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:24 But they really should be initialized in __init__. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:26 well, generally there's a couple more lines for the entire body of the class than there are for the block of declared variables, but yeah, __init__ would be helpful Mishtal : 05/15/08 05:43 >< QUIT : "Leaving." #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:50 Spectro looks cool, actually. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:51 yeah, the only problem i had was all it can do it show an alert, so i changed it to run a shell script too #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:52 Is there a simple program out there that can just pop up one of those nice toaster notifications? One suitable for calling from a shell script. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:53 notify-send comes with libnotify, i use notify-more, which uses the same python module spectro uses #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:53 they're similar, notify-more just has a couple more features, like icons and buttons #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:54 Thanks. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:55 Now to write a script that monitors how much free space remains on my hard disk... #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:55 gnome will alert you when you run out. unfortunately, it waits until you run out #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:56 I didn't catch the alert the last time I ran out (perhaps I don't have that particular bit of Gnome running?) and some config files got blanked. #rhlug : 05/15/08 05:56 Very annoying. tommost : 05/15/08 06:45 >< QUIT : "He left it dead, and with its head / He went galumphing back." #rhlug : 05/15/08 06:53 It seems that the good folks of speed finally have pranked me. #rhlug : 05/15/08 06:53 what happened? #rhlug : 05/15/08 06:53 They set my homepage to be a rick roll on my desktop. #r